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March 10, 2010 - June 02, 2010



      
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From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
Buz We all had to make many changes to our Esquals, this is one item I missed. If mine is stainless I will be doing some rework or removal. Thanks for reminding me, when I installed Matco brakes, I had the motorcycle brakes left over--Nick still owes me a beer! Dave ----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Dave, I think my Esqual kit was probably the last one that came through with the welded up stainless steel parts (central beam assembly, brake/rudder pedal assembly). I took one look at those and knew immediately they were no way strong enough for aircraft use - I threw them away. The welding work was not aircraft quality and I thought that stainless steel would not be strong enough for the assemblies they were being used for - too easy to bend and too brittle. Luckily, Pete and Nick has a Lightning central beam assembly "close by" and it was a "close enough" fit, so I talked them out of it (just like I later talked them out of the very first cowling that was supposed to go on the prototype Lightning. With some extra fiberglass work on the bottom and trimming the aft end of top and bottom, I got it to fit the Esqual). They also had their welding shop in Wisconsin weld me up a set of brake/rudder pedals so that solved those problems for me. As you have probably heard, more than several Esquals have had brake/rudder pedal failures or problems in the past. I have also heard of several with cracks in the original stainless steel central beam assembly - like the photos you sent. There were many other changes I made to my Esqual during its build that I thought would either make the airplane stronger/safer or that would add to the performance. That is why I started calling it an Esqual LS - which stands for Lightning Stuff. I certainly hope the new Esqual factory has at least made the central beam and brake/rudder pedal assembly changes to 4130 steel tubing. If not, we may continue to see problems in the Esqual fleet in the future. In a message dated 3/9/2010 2:44:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, corky(at)hbci.com writes: Buz I guess my photos did not come through, at the www.esqual.se <http://www.esqual.se/> site go to alerts, they show an alert that one should be watching regarding the gear support, I like the idea of the plate they added Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave <mailto:corky(at)hbci.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Buz thought this might be of interest to you, you can see it at www.esqual.se <http://www.esqual.se/> I'll be checking mine Dave href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
Date: Mar 10, 2010
I think both venues are appropriate...Will add to the list! Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Nick / Dave, Can I get in on that beer give away / rebate program? I suggest Sun N Fun or Oshkosh for a location. buz In a message dated 3/10/2010 10:04:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, info(at)flylightning.net writes: Name the time and place and I will get you a couple! Nick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
Date: Mar 10, 2010
Dave, Name the time and place and I will get you a couple! Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:36 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Buz We all had to make many changes to our Esquals, this is one item I missed. If mine is stainless I will be doing some rework or removal. Thanks for reminding me, when I installed Matco brakes, I had the motorcycle brakes left over--Nick still owes me a beer! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Dave, I think my Esqual kit was probably the last one that came through with the welded up stainless steel parts (central beam assembly, brake/rudder pedal assembly). I took one look at those and knew immediately they were no way strong enough for aircraft use - I threw them away. The welding work was not aircraft quality and I thought that stainless steel would not be strong enough for the assemblies they were being used for - too easy to bend and too brittle. Luckily, Pete and Nick has a Lightning central beam assembly "close by" and it was a "close enough" fit, so I talked them out of it (just like I later talked them out of the very first cowling that was supposed to go on the prototype Lightning. With some extra fiberglass work on the bottom and trimming the aft end of top and bottom, I got it to fit the Esqual). They also had their welding shop in Wisconsin weld me up a set of brake/rudder pedals so that solved those problems for me. As you have probably heard, more than several Esquals have had brake/rudder pedal failures or problems in the past. I have also heard of several with cracks in the original stainless steel central beam assembly - like the photos you sent. There were many other changes I made to my Esqual during its build that I thought would either make the airplane stronger/safer or that would add to the performance. That is why I started calling it an Esqual LS - which stands for Lightning Stuff. I certainly hope the new Esqual factory has at least made the central beam and brake/rudder pedal assembly changes to 4130 steel tubing. If not, we may continue to see problems in the Esqual fleet in the future. In a message dated 3/9/2010 2:44:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, corky(at)hbci.com writes: Buz I guess my photos did not come through, at the www.esqual.se <http://www.esqual.se/> site go to alerts, they show an alert that one should be watching regarding the gear support, I like the idea of the plate they added Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave <mailto:corky(at)hbci.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Buz thought this might be of interest to you, you can see it at www.esqual.se <http://www.esqual.se/> I'll be checking mine Dave href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott Gallagher" <scott.gallagher(at)burkeprimarycare.com>
Subject: Unfinished Lightning kit wanted
Date: Mar 14, 2010
Does anyone have an unfinished lightning kit available for sale? Interested in a project this summer. Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
Subject: Re: Unfinished Lightning kit wanted
Date: Mar 14, 2010
I have an Esqual and that is kinda like a project Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Gallagher To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Unfinished Lightning kit wanted Does anyone have an unfinished lightning kit available for sale? Interested in a project this summer. Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Hobbs" <hobbs28(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Unfinished Lightning kit wanted
Date: Mar 14, 2010
Scott, I just read your E-mail. There is .a kit for sale here in Tucson, AZ. area.It is mostly complete. The owner is William Applegate phone number (520) 296-1502. Address if 8230 E Oreida Pl. Tucson, Az. 85715. Don't forget we also have kits for sale. I hope this helps. Crystal Hobbs Western Lightning dealer and build center. For Further information please call Greg Hobbs (520) 405-.6868Contact----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Gallagher To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:51 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Unfinished Lightning kit wanted Does anyone have an unfinished lightning kit available for sale? Interested in a project this summer. Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
From: "selwyn" <selwyn(at)ellisworks.com.au>
Date: Mar 15, 2010
I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a particularly silly move to me. On the other hand, I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is steel tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from our machines. -------- Cheers, Selwyn Kit 66 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Lightning Tow Bar
From: "laflyins" <rivierja(at)cox.net>
Date: Mar 15, 2010
Does anyone know where we can buy a tow bar that will work on a Lightning or can share something that they designed and built that works well? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290348#290348 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
Date: Mar 15, 2010
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the parts (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in England both had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be good penetration and coverage at all the welds (#39+40). The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. The replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy wall and seems very solid. Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48 Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket --> I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a particularly silly move to me. On the other hand, I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is steel tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from our machines. -------- Cheers, Selwyn Kit 66 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Lightning Tow Bar
Date: Mar 15, 2010
I purchased one that was listed on the RV web site catolog. Works real nice. Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: "laflyins" <rivierja(at)cox.net> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:25 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Tow Bar > > Does anyone know where we can buy a tow bar that will work on a Lightning > or can share something that they designed and built that works well? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290348#290348 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 15, 2010
Subject: Re: Lightning Tow Bar
In a message dated 3/15/2010 8:26:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rivierja(at)cox.net writes: --> Lightning-List message posted by: "laflyins" Does anyone know where we can buy a tow bar that will work on a Lightning or can share something that they designed and built that works well? One of the past Lightning newsletters had a short description and photos of a tow bar for the Lightning. It was developed by the guys at Lightning North Central in Wisconsin and several of the Lightnings built there have used that modification. They used a commercially available tow bar that attaches to two bolts added to the nose wheel fork. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
Date: Mar 15, 2010
Well glad to hear you got better parts than we did. Of course some of the last kits actually came from Belgium so that may have something to do with it. But I can tell you that the boxes we got were not welded from 4130 and the tube thickness was very thin. Nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive R Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the parts (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in England both had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be good penetration and coverage at all the welds (#39+40). The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. The replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy wall and seems very solid. Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48 Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket --> I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a particularly silly move to me. On the other hand, I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is steel tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from our machines. -------- Cheers, Selwyn Kit 66 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM
Date: Mar 15, 2010
Subject: Re: Lightning Tow Bar
Hey James: I purchased a RVa Tow Pin Kit from Bogert Aviation (_www.bogert-av.com/bogi-bars.php_ (http://www.bogert-av.com/bogi-bars.php) ) for $15.00 and put it on the nose wheel support. I had to drill holes for the tow bar to go in to the pins, but it works fine. Lynn Nelsen In a message dated 3/15/2010 8:26:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rivierja(at)cox.net writes: --> Lightning-List message posted by: "laflyins" Does anyone know where we can buy a tow bar that will work on a Lightning or can share something that they designed and built that works well? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290348#290348 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
Date: Mar 15, 2010
Well glad to hear you got better parts than we did. Of course some of the last kits actually came from Belgium so that may have something to do with it. But I can tell you that the boxes we got were not welded from 4130 and the tube thickness was very thin. Nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive R Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:12 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the parts (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in England both had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be good penetration and coverage at all the welds (#39+40). The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. The replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy wall and seems very solid. Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48 Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket --> I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a particularly silly move to me. On the other hand, I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is steel tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from our machines. -------- Cheers, Selwyn Kit 66 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: towbar
Date: Mar 15, 2010
I forgot to mention its the one for the RV series. $89.00 Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: towbar
Date: Mar 15, 2010
Look at "skygeek.com" Bogert towbar. Its 89.00 and works well. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
Date: Mar 15, 2010
Guys Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals, NO. Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I guess yes. This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it out for the Lightning group, two different airplanes. Dave Mcc ----- Original Message ----- From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the > production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor > quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't > pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the parts > (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in England both > had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be good penetration > and coverage at all the welds (#39+40). > The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. The > replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy wall and > seems very solid. > Regards, Clive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn > Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48 > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > --> > > I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a > particularly silly move to me. > > On the other hand, I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a > particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to > bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along > with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is steel > tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the > Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from our > machines. > > -------- > Cheers, Selwyn > Kit 66 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
Date: Mar 17, 2010
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Dave there are lots of similarities and there is no Esqual group, Esqual owners are all on here. The guys at Arion know the Esqual inside out and have great knowledge for all Esqual owners. Several improvements in my aircraft have been through information from the guys at Arion. The changes they incorporated into the Lightning were based on shortcomings of the Esqual. Parallels will always exists between the two aircraft because of many things. The fact that the weak point on the central beam in one Esqual suggests that that could be the weak point in the design (there is always one) and therefore would be a good place to check the lightning in the event of a heavy landing or many landing and high hours, regardless of what it's made of or how it's welded. Where you put it is just right as far as I'm concerned. Thanks, Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: 15 March 2010 23:34 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket Guys Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals, NO. Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I guess yes. This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it out for the Lightning group, two different airplanes. Dave Mcc ----- Original Message ----- From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the > production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor > quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't > pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the > parts (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in > England both had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be > good penetration and coverage at all the welds (#39+40). > The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. > The replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy > wall and seems very solid. > Regards, Clive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn > Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48 > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > --> > > I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a > particularly silly move to me. > > On the other hand, I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a > particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to > bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along > with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is > steel tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the > Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from > our machines. > > -------- > Cheers, Selwyn > Kit 66 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 16, 2010
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, corky(at)hbci.com writes: Guys Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals, NO. Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I guess yes. This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it out for the Lightning group, two different airplanes. Dave Mcc We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The small tubes had broken or cracked, the sockets were lose and floppy. I believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design. Yes, it could have been bad landings, but the gear did not bend. From a design perspective, I think it is important that the gear bend and deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not happen that way in the Esqual. FWIW Doug Koenigsberg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
Date: Mar 17, 2010
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
'Did not happen that way in the Esqual' I ran mine off the runway last year and the gear legs + engine mount bent, nothing else is damaged, as I said though not sure on the heritage of the parts. Certainly not stainless, you can see that, + like the engine mount a real bitch to drill. I will give it another inspection but the dimensional check showed no deformation. Thanks for the extra feedback Doug, Regards Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kayberg(at)aol.com Sent: 16 March 2010 22:57 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, corky(at)hbci.com writes: Guys Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals, NO. Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I guess yes. This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it out for the Lightning group, two different airplanes. Dave Mcc We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The small tubes had broken or cracked, the sockets were lose and floppy. I believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design. Yes, it could have been bad landings, but the gear did not bend. From a design perspective, I think it is important that the gear bend and deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not happen that way in the Esqual. FWIW Doug Koenigsberg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
Date: Mar 17, 2010
Mine also is not stainless, I think I will plate mine to strengthen it some. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:31 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > > 'Did not happen that way in the Esqual' > I ran mine off the runway last year and the gear legs + engine mount > bent, nothing else is damaged, as I said though not sure on the heritage > of the parts. > Certainly not stainless, you can see that, + like the engine mount a > real bitch to drill. > I will give it another inspection but the dimensional check showed no > deformation. > > Thanks for the extra feedback Doug, Regards Clive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Kayberg(at)aol.com > Sent: 16 March 2010 22:57 > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > corky(at)hbci.com writes: > > > Guys > Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have > Esquals, NO. > Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad > landings? I guess > yes. > This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it > out for the > Lightning group, two different airplanes. > Dave Mcc > > > We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had > broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The > small tubes had broken or cracked, the sockets were lose and floppy. I > believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design. > > Yes, it could have been bad landings, but the gear did not bend. From > a design perspective, I think it is important that the gear bend and > deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not > happen that way in the Esqual. > > FWIW > > Doug Koenigsberg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
Date: Mar 17, 2010
Doug I usually get into trouble when I start thinking, but it make me wonder, it this caused from landings or from shimmy Dave McCorquodale ----- Original Message ----- From: Kayberg(at)aol.com To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, corky(at)hbci.com writes: Guys Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals, NO. Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I guess yes. This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it out for the Lightning group, two different airplanes. Dave Mcc We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The small tubes had broken or cracked, the sockets were lose and floppy. I believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design. Yes, it could have been bad landings, but the gear did not bend. >From a design perspective, I think it is important that the gear bend and deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not happen that way in the Esqual. FWIW Doug Koenigsberg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jay Schmitt <n1220j(at)msn.com>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/10
Date: Mar 17, 2010
Hi=2C This is Jay Schmitt in Tijeras=2C New Mexico. I own Esqual N117D A. My seat is out right now and my center section is beautiful. This is a 2004 completion. I haven't had any trouble with my rudder pedals either. I just put on the 6 ply tires=2C and new brakes. I'll report on my gear s himmy soon. Good luck and clear skies to all. I hope to fly over to see G reg Hobbs in the next month or two. I love his canopy lock=3B I plan to c opy it..................Jay > Date: Tue=2C 16 Mar 2010 23:56:48 -0700 > From: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > To: lightning-list-digest(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/10 > > * > > ======================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== > > Today's complete Lightning-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Lightning-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html& Chapter 10-03-16&Archive=Lightning > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&C hapter 10-03-16&Archive=Lightning > > > ======================== ======================= > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== ======================= > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Lightning-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Tue 03/16/10: 1 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Dave) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________ _______ > > > From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > Guys > Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals=2C NO. > Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I gues s > yes. > This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it out for the > Lightning group=2C two different airplanes. > Dave Mcc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> > Sent: Monday=2C March 15=2C 2010 9:11 AM > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > > > > > > I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the > > production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor > > quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't > > pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the part s > > (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in England bot h > > had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be good penetratio n > > and coverage at all the welds (#39+40). > > The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. Th e > > replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy wall an d > > seems very solid. > > Regards=2C Clive > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn > > Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48 > > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > > --> > > > > I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a > > particularly silly move to me. > > > > On the other hand=2C I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a > > particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to > > bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along > > with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is steel > > tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the > > Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from ou r > > machines. > > > > -------- > > Cheers=2C Selwyn > > Kit 66 > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344 > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 18, 2010
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
In a message dated 3/17/2010 7:54:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, corky(at)hbci.com writes: Doug I usually get into trouble when I start thinking, but it make me wonder, it this caused from landings or from shimmy Dave McCorquodale The plane was flown off a grass field for the previous 3 years, so doubt that it was shimmy. There was some history during that time of rough landings. Doug ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jay Schmitt <n1220j(at)msn.com>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/17/10
Date: Mar 18, 2010
Thank you Dave and Clive and All: All information is appreciated=2C esp ecially safety issues!! We Esqual owners are lucky to have the Lightning g roup as a resource=2C research and development=2C and builder group. It is to everyone's benefit to have so much interest in these wonderful airplane s. I appreciate all of you as I continually try to improve the safety of m y aircraft......Jay - Esqual 117DA > Date: Wed=2C 17 Mar 2010 23:56:57 -0700 > From: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > To: lightning-list-digest(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/17/10 > > * > > ======================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== > > Today's complete Lightning-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Lightning-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html& Chapter 10-03-17&Archive=Lightning > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&C hapter 10-03-17&Archive=Lightning > > > ======================== ======================= > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ======================== ======================= > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Lightning-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 03/17/10: 6 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 12:52 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (James=2C Clive R) > 2. 01:46 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Kayberg(at)aol.com) > 3. 03:03 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (James=2C Clive R) > 4. 03:51 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Dave) > 5. 04:54 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Dave) > 6. 08:23 AM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/10 (Jay Schmitt) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________ _______ > > > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> > > > Dave there are lots of similarities and there is no Esqual group=2C Esqua l > owners are all on here. > > The guys at Arion know the Esqual inside out and have great knowledge > for all Esqual owners. > > Several improvements in my aircraft have been through information from > the guys at Arion. > > The changes they incorporated into the Lightning were based on > shortcomings of the Esqual. > > Parallels will always exists between the two aircraft because of many > things. > > The fact that the weak point on the central beam in one Esqual suggests > that that could be the weak point in the design (there is always one) > and therefore would be a good place to check the lightning in the event > of a heavy landing or many landing and high hours=2C regardless of what > it's made of or how it's welded. > > Where you put it is just right as far as I'm concerned. > > Thanks=2C Regards=2C Clive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave > Sent: 15 March 2010 23:34 > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > Guys > Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals=2C > NO. > Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I > guess yes. > This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it out for > the Lightning group=2C two different airplanes. > Dave Mcc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> > Sent: Monday=2C March 15=2C 2010 9:11 AM > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > > > > > > I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the > > production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor > > quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't > > pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the > > parts (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in > > England both had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be > > good penetration and coverage at all the welds (#39+40). > > The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. > > The replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy > > wall and seems very solid. > > Regards=2C Clive > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn > > Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48 > > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > > --> > > > > I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a > > > particularly silly move to me. > > > > On the other hand=2C I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a > > particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to > > bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along > > > with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is > > steel tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the > > > Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from > > our machines. > > > > -------- > > Cheers=2C Selwyn > > Kit 66 > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 ______________________________ _______ > > > From: Kayberg(at)aol.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C > corky(at)hbci.com writes: > > > Guys > Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals=2C > NO. > Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I gues s > yes. > This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it out for > the > Lightning group=2C two different airplanes. > Dave Mcc > > > We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had > broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The small > tubes had broken or cracked=2C the sockets were lose and floppy. I believ e it > was the stainless steel box. Not a good design. > > Yes=2C it could have been bad landings=2C but the gear did not bend. From a > design perspective=2C I think it is important that the gear bend and defo rm > long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not happen that way > in the Esqual. > > FWIW > > Doug Koenigsberg > > ________________________________ Message 3 ______________________________ _______ > > > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> > > > > 'Did not happen that way in the Esqual' > I ran mine off the runway last year and the gear legs + engine mount > bent=2C nothing else is damaged=2C as I said though not sure on the herit age > of the parts. > Certainly not stainless=2C you can see that=2C + like the engine mount a > real bitch to drill. > I will give it another inspection but the dimensional check showed no > deformation. > > Thanks for the extra feedback Doug=2C Regards Clive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Kayberg(at)aol.com > Sent: 16 March 2010 22:57 > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C > corky(at)hbci.com writes: > > > Guys > Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have > Esquals=2C NO. > Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad > landings? I guess > yes. > This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it > out for the > Lightning group=2C two different airplanes. > Dave Mcc > > > > We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had > broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The > small tubes had broken or cracked=2C the sockets were lose and floppy. I > believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design. > > Yes=2C it could have been bad landings=2C but the gear did not bend. From > a design perspective=2C I think it is important that the gear bend and > deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not > happen that way in the Esqual. > > FWIW > > Doug Koenigsberg > > > ________________________________ Message 4 ______________________________ _______ > > > From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > Mine also is not stainless=2C I think I will plate mine to strengthen it some. > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> > Sent: Wednesday=2C March 17=2C 2010 4:31 AM > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > > > > > > > > 'Did not happen that way in the Esqual' > > I ran mine off the runway last year and the gear legs + engine mount > > bent=2C nothing else is damaged=2C as I said though not sure on the her itage > > of the parts. > > Certainly not stainless=2C you can see that=2C + like the engine mount a > > real bitch to drill. > > I will give it another inspection but the dimensional check showed no > > deformation. > > > > Thanks for the extra feedback Doug=2C Regards Clive > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > > Kayberg(at)aol.com > > Sent: 16 March 2010 22:57 > > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > > In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C > > corky(at)hbci.com writes: > > > > > > Guys > > Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have > > Esquals=2C NO. > > Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad > > landings? I guess > > yes. > > This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it > > out for the > > Lightning group=2C two different airplanes. > > Dave Mcc > > > > > > We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had > > broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The > > small tubes had broken or cracked=2C the sockets were lose and floppy. I > > believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design. > > > > Yes=2C it could have been bad landings=2C but the gear did not bend. Fr om > > a design perspective=2C I think it is important that the gear bend and > > deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not > > happen that way in the Esqual. > > > > FWIW > > > > Doug Koenigsberg > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 ______________________________ _______ > > > From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > Doug > I usually get into trouble when I start thinking=2C but > it make me wonder=2C it this caused from landings or from shimmy > > Dave McCorquodale > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kayberg(at)aol.com > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday=2C March 16=2C 2010 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C > corky(at)hbci.com writes: > > Guys > Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have > Esquals=2C NO. > Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I > guess > yes. > This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it out > for the > Lightning group=2C two different airplanes. > Dave Mcc > > > We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had > broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The > small tubes had broken or cracked=2C the sockets were lose and floppy. I > believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design. > > Yes=2C it could have been bad landings=2C but the gear did not bend. > >From a design perspective=2C I think it is important that the gear bend > and deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not > happen that way in the Esqual. > > FWIW > > Doug Koenigsberg > > > ________________________________ Message 6 ______________________________ _______ > > > From: Jay Schmitt <n1220j(at)msn.com> > Subject: Lightning-List: RE: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/10 > > > Hi=2C This is Jay Schmitt in Tijeras=2C New Mexico. I own Esqual N117 D > A. My seat is out right now and my center section is beautiful. This is a > 2004 completion. I haven't had any trouble with my rudder pedals either. > I just put on the 6 ply tires=2C and new brakes. I'll report on my gear s > himmy soon. Good luck and clear skies to all. I hope to fly over to see G > reg Hobbs in the next month or two. I love his canopy lock=3B I plan to c > opy it..................Jay > > > Date: Tue=2C 16 Mar 2010 23:56:48 -0700 > > From: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > > To: lightning-list-digest(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/10 > > > > * > > > > ======================= > > > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > > ======================= > > > > > Today's complete Lightning-List Digest can also be found in either of t he > > > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatte d > > > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > > of the Lightning-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text edit or > > > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > > > HTML Version: > > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=htm l& > Chapter 10-03-16&Archive=Lightning > > > > Text Version: > > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt &C > hapter 10-03-16&Archive=Lightning > > > > > > ======================= > ====================== > > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > > ======================= > ====================== > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Lightning-List Digest Archive > > --- > > Total Messages Posted Tue 03/16/10: 1 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Today's Message Index: > > ---------------------- > > > > 1. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Dave) > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 ____________________________ __ > _______ > > > > > > From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> > > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > > > > Guys > > Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals =2C > NO. > > Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I gu es > s > > yes. > > This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it out for > the > > Lightning group=2C two different airplanes. > > Dave Mcc > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> > > Sent: Monday=2C March 15=2C 2010 9:11 AM > > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > > > > > > > > > > > I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the > > > production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor > > > quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't > > > pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the pa rt > s > > > (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in England b ot > h > > > had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be good penetrat io > n > > > and coverage at all the welds (#39+40). > > > The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. Th > e > > > replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy wall an > d > > > seems very solid. > > > Regards=2C Clive > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwy n > > > Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48 > > > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > > > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket > > > > > > --> > > > > > > I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a > > > particularly silly move to me. > > > > > > On the other hand=2C I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a > > > particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to > > > bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along > > > with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is ste el > > > tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the > > > Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from ou > r > > > machines. > > > > > > -------- > > > Cheers=2C Selwyn > > > Kit 66 > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========== > ========== > ========== > ========== > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Malcolm Ferguson" <malannx(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
Date: Mar 19, 2010
Have followed the posts on the failure of the central ladder beam with interest. I have posted photos of the fix for an Esqual with a chrome moly frame. I won't identify the owner but the fix is from a certified aircraft welder. The damage was caused by operating out of an extemely rough grass strip and I would surmise the damage was done taxying, not heavy landings. This plane was the catalyst for the "Alerts" section on the http://www.esqual.se/ website. I have landed on that airfield once and I was concerned that the nose leg would stay intact till I finished taxying. I have the flat plate spring steel undercarriage legs which seem indestructible but I have the square carbon fibre nose leg. I have always worried about it. It has no flex in it, unlike alloy nose legs. Some time ago an Esqual was stalled in from a considerable height(an incipient spin had developed) The usual bits on the front of the aircraft were wrecked and some wing leading edge damage but the central ladder/spars remained undamaged. The pilot had a sore back. I reckon the design of the Lightning/Esqual is very strong in that area. Takeoffs are optional, landings mandatory. "Green Landings" :) Malcolm Ferguson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 19, 2010
Subject: Re: spar/gear bracket
Hi Malcolm, Good input and photos. Let me add just one more thought to this discussion, and that is gross weights. I fear that some Esqual flyers may be exceeding the max take off weights that were specified. And notice I said weights (plural). Two numbers have been specified as the max gross weight for the Esqual, 992 pounds (or 450 kg) and 1250 pounds (560 kg). The 992 pounds comes from the current web site for the Esqual. The 1250 was what was listed for the one I built (serial number E180070). So there may be some confusion out there, especially if the current flyer is not the original builder. Flying on a rough field (like Malcolm mentioned) with too high a gross weight could certainly result in the problem seen in the photos Malcolm sent. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 3/19/2010 5:59:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, malannx(at)bigpond.com writes: Have followed the posts on the failure of the central ladder beam with interest. I have posted photos of the fix for an Esqual with a chrome moly frame. I won't identify the owner but the fix is from a certified aircraft welder. The damage was caused by operating out of an extemely rough grass strip and I would surmise the damage was done taxying, not heavy landings. This plane was the catalyst for the "Alerts" section on the _http://www.esqual.se/_ (http://www.esqual.se/) website. I have landed on that airfield once and I was concerned that the nose leg would stay intact till I finished taxying. I have the flat plate spring steel undercarriage legs which seem indestructible but I have the square carbon fibre nose leg. I have always worried about it. It has no flex in it, unlike alloy nose legs. Some time ago an Esqual was stalled in from a considerable height(an incipient spin had developed) The usual bits on the front of the aircraft were wrecked and some wing leading edge damage but the central ladder/spars remained undamaged. The pilot had a sore back. I reckon the design of the Lightning/Esqual is very strong in that area. Takeoffs are optional, landings mandatory. "Green Landings" :) Malcolm Ferguson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Malcolm Ferguson" <malannx(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Gross weights
Date: Mar 21, 2010
Hi Buz, I might be quite wrong but my understanding is that the lighter gross weight is for the European VLA standard of 460 kgs. None of these 460 kg aircraft came into Australia and I would assume the US. Can't remember whether it's 450 or 460. The VLA version had longer and lighter wings and only 1 fuel tank and a smaller useful load as I understand it. At least that was the case when I bought mine. The 2 different versions were made for Europe(460hg VLA) and the US (560 kg) Someone with more knowledge might be able to correct me or fill in the gaps. Malcolm Ferguson ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Esqual Nose Wheel Leg
From: "Jim Cerovich" <vjc(at)powerc.net>
Date: Mar 21, 2010
Hi All, I dinged my nosewheel leg 8-( and hope that someone may have an undamaged one laying around, collecting dust. I know that I probably should convert to the Lightning style leg, but thought I'd give it one shot to find an exact replacement. Also, If you have an original Esqual nosewheel pant, that would be a bonus. Thanks for any help in getting me back in the air. Jim Cerovich Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291161#291161 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Brian <dashvii(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Esqual Nose Wheel Leg
Date: Mar 21, 2010
Jim, I somewhat agree with your idea which should be a simple bolt in replacement. If you can't find that though, you should consider the Lightning leg, wheelpant, and cowling. It is a more expensive route but you'll see improvements in speed, fuel burn, cooling, and everybodies favorite, looks. Just a thought. Brian W. On Mar 21, 2010, at 11:40 AM, "Jim Cerovich" wrote: > > Hi All, > > I dinged my nosewheel leg 8-( and hope that someone may have an > undamaged one laying around, collecting dust. I know that I probably > should convert to the Lightning style leg, but thought I'd give it > one shot to find an exact replacement. Also, If you have an original > Esqual nosewheel pant, that would be a bonus. Thanks for any help in > getting me back in the air. > > Jim Cerovich > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291161#291161 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FamilyGage(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 21, 2010
Subject: tow bar
Gentlemen: Someone on the list suggested contacting Skygeek.com for a tow bar for a lightning using a RV type. Went on the site and there were multiple tow bars for RV's. Would that listening person send the RV tow bar model that can be used on our Lightning's. Your assistance would be appreciated. Sending this information off list would be fine. Thanks, Ray Gage ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: Mar 21, 2010
Subject: Re: Gross weights
Hi Malcolm, I am sure you are correct about the lighter gross being for the European VLA market. But did the two have different central beam assemblies? I certainly don't know, but if they do, then I would caution anyone to be sure exactly which central beam version you have. How is your "jet" doing, by the way? I haven't flown much during this really bad winter we had, but spring is here now, so things should pick up. I have close to 645 hours on my Esqual LS now. Jabiru engine is still purring along nicely. Over twice the speed of my Cub on the same fuel burn. Love it. You going to make it to Oshkosh? Blue skies, Buz In a message dated 3/20/2010 10:24:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, malannx(at)bigpond.com writes: Hi Buz, I might be quite wrong but my understanding is that the lighter gross weight is for the European VLA standard of 460 kgs. None of these 460 kg aircraft came into Australia and I would assume the US. Can't remember whether it's 450 or 460. The VLA version had longer and lighter wings and only 1 fuel tank and a smaller useful load as I understand it. At least that was the case when I bought mine. The 2 different versions were made for Europe(460hg VLA) and the US (560 kg) Someone with more knowledge might be able to correct me or fill in the gaps. Malcolm Ferguson (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: GRT Sport Updgrade
Date: Mar 21, 2010
From: n5pb(at)AOL.COM
Folks, If you own a GRT Sport EFIS, it looks like they upgraded it with the synth etic vision and moving maps. I think I read it was a $1200 upgrade. Is this true? Has anyone upgraded theirs yet? If so, any comments pro or con would be appreciated Thanks Bear N82PB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: GRT Sport Upgrade
Date: Mar 22, 2010
To all, To upgrade an existing unit (an S100 or S200 WS or HS) to an SX with synthetic vision is $1,400.00. Also, this is per unit. If you initially order the unit with synthetic vision then it's a $1,200.00 upgrade. Again, per unit. Take a look at the GRT price page: http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=1&featureno=22. We'll be flying our newest LS-1 sometime this week and it has a Sport SX with synthetic vision. We'll do a little write up and get it into the April or May newsletter. Hope this helps! Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of n5pb(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:10 PM To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: GRT Sport Updgrade Folks, If you own a GRT Sport EFIS, it looks like they upgraded it with the synthetic vision and moving maps. I think I read it was a $1200 upgrade. Is this true? Has anyone upgraded theirs yet? If so, any comments pro or con would be appreciated Thanks Bear N82PB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Malcolm Ferguson" <malannx(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Gross weights
Date: Mar 22, 2010
Hi Buz, Just under 500 hrs on mine. Have put a Sensenich prop(carbon adjust) on May last year. Long story chasing engine vibrations, but turned out to be the electric actuator on the Rospeller C/S. Have had a fair amount of trouble getting the pitch right as the setting is extremely sensitive 0.5 degrees goes from being a climb prop to a cruise prop, but have it right now, I think??? I really miss the C/S but love the simplicity of the Sensenich. Prop is like the wood Sensenich with turned forward tips. Looks weird. Have been fiddling with mixture adjustment on my Rotax-runs very rich the higher I go. Most recent trip to pick up a doz bottles wine saw just on 14 litre/hr at 119-120 kts at av 8000'. Would normally be 18-19L. Works on the same principle as the Haqman?? and is best above 7000' on part throttle. No Oshkosk for a few years. By then might have a Lightning if the improvements keep coming :) Dennis would still have to be the Aus agent. Malcolm ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GRT Sport Upgrade
Date: Mar 22, 2010
From: n5pb(at)aol.com
thanks Mark, Lookin forward to write up and seeing you at SNF. Bear N82PB -----Original Message----- From: Mark Stauffer <mark(at)flylightning.net> Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 8:29 am Subject: RE: Lightning-List: GRT Sport Upgrade To all, To upgrade an existing unit (an S100 or S200 WS or HS) to an SX with synth etic vision is $1,400.00. Also, this is per unit. If you initially order the unit with synthetic vision then it's a $1,200.00 upgrade. Again, per unit. Take a look at the GRT price page: http://www.grtavionics.com/produ ct.aspx?productno=1&featureno=22. We'll be flying our newest LS-1 sometime this week and it has a Sport SX with synthetic vision. We'll do a little write up and get it into the Apr il or May newsletter. Hope this helps! Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-li st-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of n5pb(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:10 PM Subject: Lightning-List: GRT Sport Updgrade Folks, If you own a GRT Sport EFIS, it looks like they upgraded it with the synth etic vision and moving maps. I think I read it was a $1200 upgrade. Is this true? Has anyone upgraded theirs yet? If so, any comments pro or con would be appreciated Thanks Bear N82PB href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ======================== =========== -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Another ones Flies!
Date: Mar 24, 2010
This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have got another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it..and no shimmy even with 30psi in the tires. Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there really close. Nick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Haas" <checkpoint2(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Another ones Flies!
Date: Mar 24, 2010
Question, what is "the new landing gear design"? Bob Haas N330 BH. _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:02 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have got another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it..and no shimmy even with 30psi in the tires. Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there really close. Nick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: Mar 24, 2010
Subject: Re: Another ones Flies!
Congratulations to Ed and the Lightning bunch. Can't wait to see N346BR and Ed at Sun N Fun. Will it be in the Light Sport Mall or in the Lightni ng booth? I assume your booth will be at the same location? Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 3/24/2010 7:59:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, info(at)flylightning.net writes: This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have go t another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it .and no shimmy even with 30psi in the tires. Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there really close. Nick ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Another ones Flies!
Date: Mar 24, 2010
YES, whats the new gear design? Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Haas To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! Question, what is "the new landing gear design"? Bob Haas N330 BH. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:02 PM To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have got another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it..and no shimmy even with 30psi in the tires. Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there really close. Nick http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning Gear
Date: Mar 25, 2010
The new gear was designed for the SLSA lightning specifically. Because the aircraft had the potential to be in a flight school, or flown by low time sport pilots a new gear was in order. This is one of the few things that are different and specific to the SLSA LS-1. I think based on the interest we have a tech article for the next news letter. You will all have to come to SNF to get a first hand look. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! YES, whats the new gear design? Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Haas <mailto:checkpoint2(at)comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! Question, what is "the new landing gear design"? Bob Haas N330 BH. _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:02 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have got another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it..and no shimmy even with 30psi in the tires. Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there really close. Nick http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 25, 2010
Subject: Re: Lightning Gear
Hey Nick: Is the LSA gear able to be put in/on the Lightning? Lynn In a message dated 3/25/2010 4:31:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, info(at)flylightning.net writes: The new gear was designed for the SLSA lightning specifically. Because th e aircraft had the potential to be in a flight school, or flown by low time sport pilots a new gear was in order. This is one of the few things that are different and specific to the SLSA LS-1. I think based on the interest we have a tech article for the next news letter. You will all have to come to SNF to get a first hand look. Nick ____________________________________ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantel l Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! YES, whats the new gear design? Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: _Bob Haas_ (mailto:checkpoint2(at)comcast.net) Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! Question, what is =9Cthe new landing gear design=9D? Bob Haas N330 BH. ____________________________________ From: _owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightni ng Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:02 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have go t another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it .and no shimmy even with 30psi in the tires. Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there really close. Nick http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matr onic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning Gear
Date: Mar 25, 2010
Yes with very heavy modification. The entire rear spar box must be removed, but it can be done. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear Hey Nick: Is the LSA gear able to be put in/on the Lightning? Lynn In a message dated 3/25/2010 4:31:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, info(at)flylightning.net writes: The new gear was designed for the SLSA lightning specifically. Because the aircraft had the potential to be in a flight school, or flown by low time sport pilots a new gear was in order. This is one of the few things that are different and specific to the SLSA LS-1. I think based on the interest we have a tech article for the next news letter. You will all have to come to SNF to get a first hand look. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! YES, whats the new gear design? Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Haas <mailto:checkpoint2(at)comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! Question, what is "the new landing gear design"? Bob Haas N330 BH. _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:02 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have got another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it..and no shimmy even with 30psi in the tires. Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there really close. Nick http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning Gear
Date: Mar 25, 2010
The new gear was designed for the SLSA lightning specifically. Because the aircraft had the potential to be in a flight school, or flown by low time sport pilots a new gear was in order. This is one of the few things that are different and specific to the SLSA LS-1. I think based on the interest we have a tech article for the next news letter. You will all have to come to SNF to get a first hand look. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:18 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! YES, whats the new gear design? Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Haas <mailto:checkpoint2(at)comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! Question, what is "the new landing gear design"? Bob Haas N330 BH. _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:02 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have got another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it..and no shimmy even with 30psi in the tires. Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there really close. Nick http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another ones Flies!
Date: Mar 25, 2010
From: n5pb(at)AOL.COM
Congratulations Ed and the Lightning Team Bear N82PB -----Original Message----- From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:02 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies! This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have got another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain tomo rrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it .and no shimmy even with 30psi in the tires. Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there really close. Nick ======================== =========== -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Another Lightning takes to the skies!
Date: Mar 30, 2010
Greg Crouchley's Lightning, kit number 82, flew for the first time this weekend. Greg's "jet" is the 52nd Lightning to fly. I'm sure Ryan Gross with Green Landings Flight Center will give us an update soon. Congratulations Greg!! Mark Mark Stauffer Production Manager Arion Aircraft 2842 Hwy 231 North Shelbyville, TN 37160 (931) 680-1781 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: Mar 30, 2010
Subject: Re: Another Lightning takes to the skies!
Congrats to Greg and the Green Landings team. Greg and /or Ryan, when you get the chance, send me some "words" and photos for the newsletter. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 31, 2010
Subject: April LIghtning Newsletter and new newsletter index
All, The latest issue of the Lightning Newsletter is now posted on the three websites that carry our newsletters. Also recently posted on the three sites is a brand new index of past Lightning newsletters that should greatly aid in finding past articles or topics that have been covered in the past. We owe a great Thank You to one of our readers, Denis B. from Iowa for this index. Denis spent lots of time and effort to develop the index and I certainly appreciate his efforts. _http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/) _http://www.greenlandings.com/_ (http://www.greenlandings.com/) _http://www.jimslightning.com/_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/) Featured in this issue is Dave Stanley's Lightning of the Month which also happens to be the 50th Lightning to fly. Also, a new handheld GPS, the iFly 700, which I got to fly with and evaluate for a month, is covered. I think it is a great new GPS and is amazingly affordable for a GPS with a 7-inch screen. And guess what, it uses actual FAA Sectionals for the maps. This issue also has a new engine clinic article by Pete Krotje. I learn something important about the Jabiru engine every time I read one of Pete's articles. This month's safety article is by Linda Mathias, and covers some great comments (by an FAA check pilot) about big patterns. Also look for an exciting Lightning Skunk Works announcement. Please let me have some feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you for content and on your comments for improvement. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Subject: New Lightning World Record Today
Today will be another big day for the Lightning Not too long ago I was in an Officer=99s Club bar in NC talking wit h a group of active duty senior officers from various Air Force commands and a few =9C other special government agents=9D. We were having a few =9Cbrewskis=9D and the talk eventually turned to flying and airplanes. Being a big fan of th e Arion Lightning, I just had to tell them what a beautiful and great flyin g airplane it is. I also had to tell them that actually the Lightning was a world record holder, having set a speed record from Savannah to San Diego . I went on to tell a shortened version of how Earl Ferguson had built his Lightning from a kit, and then went through the steps of planning and the n, after several aborted attempts, actually setting a new world=99s re cord. For those of you that are new to the =9CLightning Club=9D and maybe don=99t know Earl, let me provide a short recap about Earl and the world record he accomplished in his Lightning, N17EF. Earl=99s story is impressi ve =93 one of initiative, strength of character, and dedication to =9Cthe mission =9D. At age 70+, most pilots are willing to just play golf, tennis or bridge for excitement. Earl Ferguson is a little different. He is definitely a =9Cget =98 er done=9D kind of guy as well as being a double cancer survivor. Taking off from Savannah on August 6, he made stops in Quitman, MS; Athens, Midland, and EI Paso, TX; Tempe, AZ (where he spent the night sin ce he was flying as a sport pilot and could not fly at night), and, finally lan ding in San Diego, CA on August 7, 2007. The NAA approved Earl=99s flight as a national record and forwarded the record to the FAI, who then awarded a world record to Earl for landplanes weighing less than 1000 kg. As a retired Navy aviator and Sport Aviati on pilot, Earl=99s story is an inspiration to all of us. =9CSie rra Hotel=9D, Earl. Now back to that O Club bar conversation. Basically I recounted Earl =99s story to the assembled group of Air Force aviators and they were all very impressed =93 just the reaction that I was looking for. But what happened next completely surprised me. When I mentioned that Earl was a retired Navy pilot the group of distinguished Air Force pilots immediately got pretty =9C offended=9D that a retired Navy pilot had a world record in the Lig htning =93 they insisted that a retired Air Force pilot should have that honor. At that point their questions to me were fast and furious as to how they could hel p re-capture that record so that it could be rightfully owned by an Air Force type. Soon the group had come up with an ingenious plan that woul d not only beat Earl=99s record, but completely shatter it. Because thei r plan might have some =9Creally high level=9D approval problems, the y all swore complete secrecy as to how we were going to set the new world record. Th e top secret operational plan they came up with was code named =9CBEWORN =9D, which stands for Beat Earl=99s World Record Now. Operation BEWORN was put into immediate action. A donor Lightning aircraft was soon acquired and the required modifications to the airframe were quickly completed and operational test and evaluation flights were planned and successfully flown. I really had a great time flying the modified Lightning and honing some skills that I had not used since my last flights in the F-4 Phantom II. However, as you all know, keeping things secret is sometimes difficult, especially something as large as secret aircraft operations. Well, to ma ke a long story at little shorter, during a recent operational test flight of the new modified Lightning, an escorting aircraft with a hired photograph er in the back seat, took several photos of the test Lightning and at least one was =9Caccidentally=9D leaked to the local media. I say accidentally because I believe that maybe the hired photographer that leaked the photo might have had some connection to the Navy many years ago. That was unfortunat e, and explaining it to some of the =9Chigher USAF brass=9D has delayed Operation =9CBEWORN=9D from being put into action until today. We fina lly have approval to fly the non-stop coast to coast =9COperation BEWORN =9D flight today, 1 April 2010. That =9Caccidentally leaked=9D photo is shown below. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Subject: Re: New Lightning World Record Today
Buz, Neat April Fool story, you had me worried for a few lines. WR Earl In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:04:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: Today will be another big day for the Lightning Not too long ago I was in an Officer=99s Club bar in NC talking wit h a group of active duty senior officers from various Air Force commands and a few =9C other special government agents=9D. We were having a few =9Cbrewskis=9D and the talk eventually turned to flying and airplanes. Being a big fan of th e Arion Lightning, I just had to tell them what a beautiful and great flyin g airplane it is. I also had to tell them that actually the Lightning was a world record holder, having set a speed record from Savannah to San Diego . I went on to tell a shortened version of how Earl Ferguson had built his Lightning from a kit, and then went through the steps of planning and the n, after several aborted attempts, actually setting a new world=99s re cord. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: New Lightning World Record Today
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Yes, and does Dick Cleavinger realize that someone stole his Lightning? -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of EAFerguson(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:59 PM To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record Today Buz, Neat April Fool story, you had me worried for a few lines. WR Earl In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:04:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: Today will be another big day for the Lightning Not too long ago I was in an Officer=99s Club bar in NC talking with a group of active duty senior officers from various Air Force commands and a few =9Cother special government agents=9D. We were having a few =9Cbrewskis=9D and the talk eventually turned to flying and airplanes. Being a big fan of the Arion Lightning, I just had to tell them what a beautiful and great flying airplane it is. I also had to tell them that actually the Lightning was a world record holder, having set a speed record from Savannah to San Diego. I went on to tell a shortened version of how Earl Ferguson had built his Lightning from a kit, and then went through the steps of planning and then, after several aborted attempts, actually setting a new world=99s record. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: New Lightning World Record Today
Date: Apr 01, 2010
I fell for the one today on ASFBug about a TFR being issued for the entire country; I even called Flight Service to ask about it and a couple hours later realized that it had to be an April's Fool joke. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Stauffer To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record Today Yes, and does Dick Cleavinger realize that someone stole his Lightning? -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of EAFerguson(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:59 PM To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record Today Buz, Neat April Fool story, you had me worried for a few lines. WR Earl In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:04:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: Today will be another big day for the Lightning Not too long ago I was in an Officer=99s Club bar in NC talking with a group of active duty senior officers from various Air Force commands and a few =9Cother special government agents=9D. We were having a few =9Cbrewskis=9D and the talk eventually turned to flying and airplanes. Being a big fan of the Arion Lightning, I just had to tell them what a beautiful and great flying airplane it is. I also had to tell them that actually the Lightning was a world record holder, having set a speed record from Savannah to San Diego. I went on to tell a shortened version of how Earl Ferguson had built his Lightning from a kit, and then went through the steps of planning and then, after several aborted attempts, actually setting a new world=99s record. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 01, 2010
Subject: Re: New Lightning World Record Today
Stole? Pretty brash statement. What do you base that on? Can not another airplane have a similar paint job. 31Bz has been duplicated seve ral times. But what if Dick is part of the world record? Just remember that most stories have at least some truth, and some stories are mostly true. By the way, Dick and I are in San Diego as I write this. Buz In a message dated 4/1/2010 4:15:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark(at)flylightning.net writes: Yes, and does Dick Cleavinger realize that someone stole his Lightning? -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of EAFerguson @aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:59 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record Today Buz, Neat April Fool story, you had me worried for a few lines. WR Earl In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:04:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: Today will be another big day for the Lightning Not too long ago I was in an Officer=99s Club bar in NC talking wit h a group of active duty senior officers from various Air Force commands and a few =9C other special government agents=9D. We were having a few =9Cbrewskis=9D and the talk eventually turned to flying and airplanes. Being a big fan of the Arion Lightning, I just had to tell them what a beautiful and great flyin g airplane it is. I also had to tell them that actually the Lightning was a world record holder, having set a speed record from Savannah to San Diego . I went on to tell a shortened version of how Earl Ferguson had built hi s Lightning from a kit, and then went through the steps of planning and then, after several aborted attempts, actually setting a new world =99s record. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 02, 2010
Subject: Re: New Lightning World Record Today
In a message dated 4/1/2010 4:02:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguson(at)aol.com writes: Buz, Neat April Fool story, you had me worried for a few lines. WR Earl Hey World Record Earl, Was yesterday 1 April? I hadn't noticed. But really enjoying being here in San Diego after that non stop flight. Say, how long did it take for the NAA and FIA to complete their official world record paperwork? Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 02, 2010
Subject: Re: New Lightning World Record Today
In a message dated 4/2/2010 8:51:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: Say, how long did it take for the NAA and FIA to complete their official world record paperwork? Buz Buz, Not long, but I didn't time them. NAA probably a week and FIA another two weeks at most. BTW, it would be easy for any regular (not LS) Lightning to cut my record time in half. Any takers??? Earl ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 03, 2010
Subject: Re: New Lightning World Record
In a message dated 4/2/2010 10:46:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguson(at)aol.com writes: BTW, it would be easy for any regular (not LS) Lightning to cut my record time in half. Any takers??? Earl is right, the capabilities of the Lightning would allow someone with foresight, planning, and determination (like Earl) to set another World Record for the Lightning. And you wouldn't even need to go for his exact record - just pick any two cities that don't have a current speed record between them in the category that the Lightning is in, and go for it. I am sure Earl would be more than willing to add his expertise to the effort to get you started, explain the required steps, and help with specific details. Surely someone out there flying a Lightning would like to have their name in the World Record Book - like World Record Earl. Earl will be signing autographs at Sun N Fun - free of charge. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 03, 2010
Subject: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE
If the weather cooperates, next Saturday morning I will be waking up in my tent at the Lakeland Airport. Yes, my current plan is to fly down to Florida for Sun N Fun next Friday, the 9th of April, which will give me so me time to help with some set up volunteer efforts. Official start date for Sun N Fun is Tuesday, 13 April, so you still have plenty of time to arrange your schedule so that you can fly there in your Lightning. Last year, other that the factory and dealer Lightnings, World Record Earl was the only Lightning owner to fly to Sun N Fun. In fact, we had more Esquals in the fly-in parking area than Lightnings (2 Esquals, 1 Lightning). Surely this year will be different. In fact, here is a challenge; if World Record Earl and I can do it (at our advanced age) why not you? It would be great to have a row of Lightnings parked together. The key to that is getting there early enough so that the parkers have time to take you to a specific row. If you arrive at a busy arrival time, getting to a specific row will be more difficult. I can save some parking spaces if I know when you will arrive, but the earlier the easier. So if you know wh en you will be arriving, I'll be there looking for you - like I did for Earl last year. My cell phone number is: 757-879-5845. And as long as we are talking about Sun N Fun, mark your schedule so that you can attend Nick's briefings in the forums area. Nick will be giving two forums this year - one on opening day (13 April at 1300 in forums then #11) and another on Friday (16 April at 1300, forums tent #11). Addition ally, the annual Lightning get together at the Lightning booth will be Friday, the 16th at 1100. I am assuming that the Lightning booth will be at the same area as the last few years. Nick or Mark, please confirm this for us, and anything else we need to know as far as supporting your efforts. Hope to see you there. Buz The annual Lightning get together at the Lightning booth will be Friday, 16 April at 1100 or 1130 =93 TBD. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE
Date: Apr 03, 2010
Group, We are in the same spot as always. Down behind the FAA building. We will have our get together at 11 and than I have got a forum at 12 so come on to that and fill the tent so I don't have to talk to myself.or mark cause he get to run the power point thingy. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:49 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE If the weather cooperates, next Saturday morning I will be waking up in my tent at the Lakeland Airport. Yes, my current plan is to fly down to Florida for Sun N Fun next Friday, the 9th of April, which will give me some time to help with some set up volunteer efforts. Official start date for Sun N Fun is Tuesday, 13 April, so you still have plenty of time to arrange your schedule so that you can fly there in your Lightning. Last year, other that the factory and dealer Lightnings, World Record Earl was the only Lightning owner to fly to Sun N Fun. In fact, we had more Esquals in the fly-in parking area than Lightnings (2 Esquals, 1 Lightning). Surely this year will be different. In fact, here is a challenge; if World Record Earl and I can do it (at our advanced age) why not you? It would be great to have a row of Lightnings parked together. The key to that is getting there early enough so that the parkers have time to take you to a specific row. If you arrive at a busy arrival time, getting to a specific row will be more difficult. I can save some parking spaces if I know when you will arrive, but the earlier the easier. So if you know when you will be arriving, I'll be there looking for you - like I did for Earl last year. My cell phone number is: 757-879-5845. And as long as we are talking about Sun N Fun, mark your schedule so that you can attend Nick's briefings in the forums area. Nick will be giving two forums this year - one on opening day (13 April at 1300 in forums then #11) and another on Friday (16 April at 1300, forums tent #11). Additionally, the annual Lightning get together at the Lightning booth will be Friday, the 16th at 1100. I am assuming that the Lightning booth will be at the same area as the last few years. Nick or Mark, please confirm this for us, and anything else we need to know as far as supporting your efforts. Hope to see you there. Buz The annual Lightning get together at the Lightning booth will be Friday, 16 April at 1100 or 1130 - TBD. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Johnny Thompson" <8wn(at)comcast.net>
Subject: *8WN for sale
Date: Apr 03, 2010
Two years ago I started having seizures on a daily basis. I had hoped they would go away but it's not going to happen. This is an increasing problem from injuries received in Vietnam to my brain and spine. I am thankful I was able to fly for 40 years. I am telling you this so you will know why I am selling 8WN and other kits & planes I have (Velocity XL-5 300 hp, and an Ercoupe). The Lightning 8WN (SN 26) is registered under Light Sport rules, 1320 pounds, since I knew I might not pass a medical. 8WN has 4.5 hours. For the past 2 years since it has not been flown, I just spend time working on the plane. It now has 30 gallon tanks, new canopy locking system, and lots of other changes. Greg Hobbs can fly the time off if you like. The aircraft is loaded with top of the line avionics, auto pilot, traffic warning, etc. For fast sell I set the price at $87,000, about the price of a basic with built assist. This plane draws a big crowd but it is an easy repaint if you have other taste. The aircraft had minor damage during a landing I made while having a seizure. The damage was classified by FAA as an incident, not an accident. I have pictures of the damage and everything was replaced/repaired by the book and more. Signed off by A&P (me). Home 520 742-5868 cell 520 834-4989. 8WN is located at Greg Hobbs in Marana. You can also call Greg for any info. I am giving Lighting family and friends first shot. Johnny Thompson, Marana Az. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 03, 2010
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE
All, I just went to the Sun N Fun web site and checked the forums schedule. The two Lightning forums are scheduled for 1300 (not 1200) on both opening day (Tuesday, 13 April) and Friday, 16 April. Nick is a busy guy, so maybe that is why he thought the forum time was noon. Either that or he has ha d too much fun drinking Tennessee's finest. But do plan to attend both for ums and cheer loudly when either Nick or Mark says absolutely anything. If we get their egos built up by cheering them on, maybe they will share some of that Tennessee white lightning. Or maybe Max will bring some Florida white lightning. Either way, get happy and have fun. Buz In a message dated 4/3/2010 11:36:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, info(at)flylightning.net writes: Group, We are in the same spot as always. Down behind the FAA building. We will have our get together at 11 and than I have got a forum at 12 so come on to that and fill the tent so I don=99t have to talk to myself or mark cause he get to run the power point thingy. Nick From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@a ol.com Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:49 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE If the weather cooperates, next Saturday morning I will be waking up in my tent at the Lakeland Airport. Yes, my current plan is to fly down to Florida for Sun N Fun next Friday, the 9th of April, which will give me some time to help with some set up volunteer efforts. Official start date for Sun N Fun is Tuesday, 13 April, so you still have plenty of time to arrange your schedule so that you can fly there in your Lightning. Last year, other that the factory and dealer Lightnings, Worl d Record Earl was the only Lightning owner to fly to Sun N Fun. In fact, we had more Esquals in the fly-in parking area than Lightnings (2 Esquals, 1 Lightning). Surely this year will be different. In fact, here is a challenge; if World Record Earl and I can do it (at our advanced age) why not you? It would be great to have a row of Lightnings parked together. The key to that is getting there early enough so that the parkers have time to take you to a specific row. If you arrive at a busy arrival time, getting to a specific row will be more difficult. I can save some parking spaces if I know when you will arrive, but the earlier the easier. So if you know wh en you will be arriving, I'll be there looking for you - like I did for Earl last year. My cell phone number is: 757-879-5845. And as long as we are talking about Sun N Fun, mark your schedule so that you can attend Nick's briefings in the forums area. Nick will be giving two forums this year - one on opening day (13 April at 1300 in forums the n #11) and another on Friday (16 April at 1300, forums tent #11). Additionally, the annual Lightning get together at the Lightning booth wi ll be Friday, the 16th at 1100. I am assuming that the Lightning booth will be at the same area as the last few years. Nick or Mark, please confirm this for us, and anything else we need to know as far as supporting your efforts. Hope to see you there. Buz _http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 04, 2010
Subject: Re: *8WN for sale
Johonny, Sorry to hear about your health problem. If I need another Lightning, yours would be at the top of my list. Earl Ferguson N17EF Atlanta ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 04, 2010
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE
In a message dated 4/3/2010 8:49:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: Official start date for Sun N Fun is Tuesday, 13 April, so you still have plenty of time to arrange your schedule so that you can fly there in your Lightning. Last year, other that the factory and dealer Lightnings, World Record Earl was the only Lightning owner to fly to Sun N Fun. In fact, we had more Esquals in the fly-in parking area than Lightnings (2 Esquals, 1 Lightning). Surely this year will be different. In fact, here is a challenge; if World Record Earl and I can do it (at our advanced age) why not you? It would be great to have a row of Lightnings parked together. The key to that is getting there early enough so that the parkers have time to take you to a specific row. If you arrive at a busy arrival time, getting to a specific row will be more difficult. I can save some parking spaces if I know when you will arrive, but the earlier the easier. So if you know when you will be arriving, I'll be there looking for you - like I did for Earl last year. My cell phone number is: 757-879-5845. Buz, I plan to be there, but haven't got a firm schedule yet. Will definitely be there for the Forum on Friday. Hope there will be room for a tent in the enclave. Hope we will have a bunch of Lightnings this time. Earl ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Lightning World Record
Date: Apr 05, 2010
From: n5pb(at)aol.com
Here's a record....on a recent trip to Bartow, Fl from St Pete Intl (about 50 miles) I was handed off to 7 different controllers; would have been 8, but ground control at Bartow was down; so I taxied via the tower....Lots of fun flying through class B airspace...oh same thing on the return trip ....hey I get alot pf practice and at least I'm not afraid to talk to the "Big Guys"... Bear -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:02 am Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record In a message dated 4/2/2010 10:46:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguso n(at)aol.com writes: BTW, it would be easy for any regular (not LS) Lightning to cut my record time in half. Any takers??? Earl is right, the capabilities of the Lightning would allow someone with foresight, planning, and determination (like Earl) to set another World Record for the Lightning. And you wouldn't even need to go for his exact record - just pick any two cities that don't have a current speed record between them in the category that the Lightning is in, and go for it. I am sure Earl would be more than willing to add his expertise to the effor t to get you started, explain the required steps, and help with specific details. Surely someone out there flying a Lightning would like to have their name in the World Record Book - like World Record Earl. Earl will be signing autographs at Sun N Fun - free of charge. Blue Skies, Buz ======================== =========== -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 05, 2010
Subject: Re: New Lightning World Record
How many controllers to get you to Sun N Fun? That is the question. Hope you are planning on bringing your jet. Buz In a message dated 4/5/2010 9:04:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb(at)aol.com writes: Here's a record....on a recent trip to Bartow, Fl from St Pete Intl (about 50 miles) I was handed off to 7 different controllers; would have been 8, but ground control at Bartow was down; so I taxied via the tower....Lots of fun flying through class B airspace...oh same thing on the return trip....hey I get alot pf practice and at least I'm not afraid to talk to the "Big Guys"... Bear -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:02 am Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record In a message dated 4/2/2010 10:46:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _EAFerguson(at)aol.com_ (mailto:EAFerguson(at)aol.com) writes: BTW, it would be easy for any regular (not LS) Lightning to cut my record time in half. Any takers??? Earl is right, the capabilities of the Lightning would allow someone with foresight, planning, and determination (like Earl) to set another World Record for the Lightning. And you wouldn't even need to go for his exact record - just pick any two cities that don't have a current speed record between them in the category that the Lightning is in, and go for it. I am sure Earl would be more than willing to add his expertise to the effort to get you started, explain the required steps, and help with specific details. Surely someone out there flying a Lightning would like to have their name in the World Record Book - like World Record Earl. Earl will be signing autographs at Sun N Fun - free of charge. Blue Skies, Buz =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ==================================== tp://forums.matronics.com ==================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==================================== (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) /contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 06, 2010
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE
In a message dated 4/4/2010 10:32:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM writes: Buz, I plan to be there, but haven't got a firm schedule yet. Will definitely be there for the Forum on Friday. Hope there will be room for a tent in the enclave. Hope we will have a bunch of Lightnings this time. Earl World Record Earl, We will definitely make room for you. Will you be dancing at the Lakeland Chip and Dales again this year? Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 06, 2010
From: Allan Maxwell <allanmaxe(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE
Buz I don't think I can make it this year still painting I will send a pict ure when I get it all done if it is ready thursday am I will see you thursd ay if not shellbyville this fall Allan Maxwell --- On Tue, 4/6/10, N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote: From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com <N1BZRich(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 5:56 AM In a message dated 4/4/2010 10:32:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguson @AOL.COM writes: Buz, I plan to be there, but haven't got a firm schedule yet. Will definitely be there for the Forum on Friday. Hope there will be room for a tent in the e nclave. Hope we will have a bunch of Lightnings this time. Earl World Record Earl, We will definitely make room for you.- Will you be dancing at the Lakelan d Chip and Dales again this year? Buz =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Lightning World Record
Date: Apr 06, 2010
From: n5pb(at)AOL.COM
Probably 4 Buz, but it won't stop me from getting there...fog and bad wx might, but not the controllers. I plan on being there with the jet...arriving Wed... Bear -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 10:30 pm Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record How many controllers to get you to Sun N Fun? That is the question. Hope you are planning on bringing your jet. Buz In a message dated 4/5/2010 9:04:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb(at)aol.c om writes: Here's a record....on a recent trip to Bartow, Fl from St Pete Intl (about 50 miles) I was handed off to 7 different controllers; would have been 8, but ground control at Bartow was down; so I taxied via the tower....Lots of fun flying through class B airspace...oh same thing on the return trip ....hey I get alot pf practice and at least I'm not afraid to talk to the "Big Guys"... Bear -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:02 am Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record In a message dated 4/2/2010 10:46:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguso n(at)aol.com writes: BTW, it would be easy for any regular (not LS) Lightning to cut my record time in half. Any takers??? Earl is right, the capabilities of the Lightning would allow someone with foresight, planning, and determination (like Earl) to set another World Record for the Lightning. And you wouldn't even need to go for his exact record - just pick any two cities that don't have a current speed record between them in the category that the Lightning is in, and go for it. I am sure Earl would be more than willing to add his expertise to the effor t to get you started, explain the required steps, and help with specific details. Surely someone out there flying a Lightning would like to have their name in the World Record Book - like World Record Earl. Earl will be signing autographs at Sun N Fun - free of charge. Blue Skies, Buz ======================== =========== " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ======================== p://forums.matronics.com ======================== blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== ======================== =========== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ======================== s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ======================== p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== ======================== =========== -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 06, 2010
Subject: Re: New Lightning World Record
Great, Bear, see you there. And how about all you other Florida Lightning boys? Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 4/6/2010 8:13:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb(at)aol.com writes: Probably 4 Buz, but it won't stop me from getting there...fog and bad wx might, but not the controllers. I plan on being there with the jet...arriving Wed... Bear -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 10:30 pm Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record How many controllers to get you to Sun N Fun? That is the question. Hope you are planning on bringing your jet. Buz In a message dated 4/5/2010 9:04:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _n5pb(at)aol.com_ (mailto:n5pb(at)aol.com) writes: Here's a record....on a recent trip to Bartow, Fl from St Pete Intl (about 50 miles) I was handed off to 7 different controllers; would have been 8, but ground control at Bartow was down; so I taxied via the tower....Lots of fun flying through class B airspace...oh same thing on the return trip....hey I get alot pf practice and at least I'm not afraid to talk to the "Big Guys"... Bear -----Original Message----- From: _N1BZRich(at)aol.com_ (mailto:N1BZRich(at)aol.com) Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:02 am Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record In a message dated 4/2/2010 10:46:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _EAFerguson(at)aol.com_ (mailto:EAFerguson(at)aol.com) writes: BTW, it would be easy for any regular (not LS) Lightning to cut my record time in half. Any takers??? Earl is right, the capabilities of the Lightning would allow someone with foresight, planning, and determination (like Earl) to set another World Record for the Lightning. And you wouldn't even need to go for his exact record - just pick any two cities that don't have a current speed record between them in the category that the Lightning is in, and go for it. I am sure Earl would be more than willing to add his expertise to the effort to get you started, explain the required steps, and help with specific details. Surely someone out there flying a Lightning would like to have their name in the World Record Book - like World Record Earl. Earl will be signing autographs at Sun N Fun - free of charge. Blue Skies, Buz =================================== t" target=_blank>_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) ==================================== tp://forums.matronics.com ==================================== _blank>_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ==================================== =================================== t href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) ">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) ==================================== ms.matronics.com/">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ==================================== tp://_www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ==================================== =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ==================================== tp://forums.matronics.com ==================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==================================== (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 06, 2010
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE
OK, Allen, I hope you do make it, but if not then see you in either Oshkosh or Shelbyville for the Lightning Fly-In. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 4/6/2010 6:42:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, allanmaxe(at)yahoo.com writes: Buz I don't think I can make it this year still painting I will send a picture when I get it all done if it is ready thursday am I will see you thursday if not shellbyville this fall Allan Maxwell --- On Tue, 4/6/10, N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote: From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com <N1BZRich(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 5:56 AM In a message dated 4/4/2010 10:32:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM writes: Buz, I plan to be there, but haven't got a firm schedule yet. Will definitely be there for the Forum on Friday. Hope there will be room for a tent in the enclave. Hope we will have a bunch of Lightnings this time. Earl World Record Earl, We will definitely make room for you. Will you be dancing at the Lakeland Chip and Dales again this year? Buz " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Sun & Fun
Hey Buz: I expect to be there every day at the Ercoupe type table. Will most likely see you either at the Bonanza table or the Friday get together. I am going to leave my jet in the hangar (I am too lazy to clean it) Lynn ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Sun & Fun
In a message dated 4/7/2010 7:48:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM writes: Hey Buz: I expect to be there every day at the Ercoupe type table. Will most likely see you either at the Bonanza table or the Friday get together. I am going to leave my jet in the hangar (I am too lazy to clean it) Lynn Darn, Lynn, bring it on over and I'll clean it for you. But at least you will be there. I'll look for you in the type club tent. I did not schedule myself to work with the Bonanza guys this year, but may still get roped into spending some time there. Well, also might spend some time with the Cub Club as well. Both good groups. Blue Skies, Buz PS: How about all you other Florida Lightning guys? Are you afraid if you let the world know that you will be there you will be mobbed by admiring people wanting your autograph? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Sun N Fun flying or driving???
As you all know, I have been encouraging everyone to fly to Sun N Fun to join in all the Lightning activities and have lots of good "bravo sierra" sessions with each other while there. Well, looks like I might be driving instead of flying. Bummer. To recap - when landing, bringing the Esqual LS here to load it with camping equipment, etc. I had a flat tire when I taxied up to the hangar. No problem on landing or taxiing in, but as I climbed out I could tell one wing was low. By the time I opened the hangar it was totally flat and I had to air it up some to even pull it into the hangar. Soon went flat again. Aired it up just to get the wheel pant off and put a jack under it to hold it up. No nail or anything in the tire, just a hole in the side wall of the tube. It is one of those leakguard tubes - Great for holding air, but I have had two of them fail in the past 4 years. Prior to that, with the regular tubes, no failures at all in the past 40 some years of general aviation flying. Might be a story there. I love the leakguard tubes because once you air them up - they hold the air, but two tube failures in 4 years might show a trend. Ordering a new tube, but they were closed, so want get the order until next day and then with express shipping, it would not get here until maybe noon on Saturday, and I need to be there Friday evening. So have about decided to load up the truck and start driving south tomorrow afternoon. Bummer, but at least I can take a larger tent and more supplies. But darn, I hate driving to a fly-in. See you there, Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun flying or driving???
Buz: It is my hope to fly 83TW, not sure of what day. Is there any way to get ground control to park us near other Lightnings? Didn't know that if I made a sign would help. This is the first time that I wasn't coming in with 20-40 warbirds from the South, so we were all parked in a line. Sorry about your tire! My Best, Ray In a message dated 4/7/2010 11:04:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: As you all know, I have been encouraging everyone to fly to Sun N Fun to join in all the Lightning activities and have lots of good "bravo sierra" sessions with each other while there. Well, looks like I might be driving instead of flying. Bummer. To recap - when landing, bringing the Esqual LS here to load it with camping equipment, etc. I had a flat tire when I taxied up to the hangar. No problem on landing or taxiing in, but as I climbed out I could tell one wing was low. By the time I opened the hangar it was totally flat and I had to air it up some to even pull it into the hangar. Soon went flat again. Aired it up just to get the wheel pant off and put a jack under it to hold it up. No nail or anything in the tire, just a hole in the side wall of the tube. It is one of those leakguard tubes - Great for holding air, but I have had two of them fail in the past 4 years. Prior to that, with the regular tubes, no failures at all in the past 40 some years of general aviation flying. Might be a story there. I love the leakguard tubes because once you air them up - they hold the air, but two tube failures in 4 years might show a trend. Ordering a new tube, but they were closed, so want get the order until next day and then with express shipping, it would not get here until maybe noon on Saturday, and I need to be there Friday evening. So have about decided to load up the truck and start driving south tomorrow afternoon. Bummer, but at least I can take a larger tent and more supplies. But darn, I hate driving to a fly-in. See you there, Buz (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun flying or driving???
Ray, The special Sun N Fun arrival procedures start Sunday, so be sure to read the NOTAM, as it is totally different from the warbird arrival. Actually Lakeland ground has nothing to do with parking. The Sun N Fun volunteer parkers in the experimental / homebuilt area actually do try to park similar airplanes together, but all bets are off when they get busy, so it will depend on when you arrive. But if you get a parking place you don't like you might be able to move later if something better opens up. Obviously the early arrivals get the better spots. Looking forward to seeing you there. Remember the Lightning get together on Friday at 11 AM at the Lightning booth. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 4/7/2010 11:17:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM writes: Buz: It is my hope to fly 83TW, not sure of what day. Is there any way to get ground control to park us near other Lightnings? Didn't know that if I made a sign would help. This is the first time that I wasn't coming in with 20-40 warbirds from the South, so we were all parked in a line. Sorry about your tire! My Best, Ray In a message dated 4/7/2010 11:04:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: As you all know, I have been encouraging everyone to fly to Sun N Fun to join in all the Lightning activities and have lots of good "bravo sierra" sessions with each other while there. Well, looks like I might be driving instead of flying. Bummer. To recap - when landing, bringing the Esqual LS here to load it with camping equipment, etc. I had a flat tire when I taxied up to the hangar. No problem on landing or taxiing in, but as I climbed out I could tell one wing was low. By the time I opened the hangar it was totally flat and I had to air it up some to even pull it into the hangar. Soon went flat again. Aired it up just to get the wheel pant off and put a jack under it to hold it up. No nail or anything in the tire, just a hole in the side wall of the tube. It is one of those leakguard tubes - Great for holding air, but I have had two of them fail in the past 4 years. Prior to that, with the regular tubes, no failures at all in the past 40 some years of general aviation flying. Might be a story there. I love the leakguard tubes because once you air them up - they hold the air, but two tube failures in 4 years might show a trend. Ordering a new tube, but they were closed, so want get the order until next day and then with express shipping, it would not get here until maybe noon on Saturday, and I need to be there Friday evening. So have about decided to load up the truck and start driving south tomorrow afternoon. Bummer, but at least I can take a larger tent and more supplies. But darn, I hate driving to a fly-in. See you there, Buz =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ==================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ==================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==================================== (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Off to Sun n Fun
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Just wanted to let the list know that we're off for Sun n Fun bright and early tomorrow morning. We hope to see all of our friends at the show and please don't forget the gathering at the Lightning tent on Friday at 1100 followed by Nick's presentation at 1300. Blue skies! Mark Mark Stauffer Production Manager Arion Aircraft 2842 Hwy 231 North Shelbyville, TN 37160 (931) 680-1781 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 09, 2010
Subject: Re: Off to Sun n Fun
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
Will hopefully be there. Still working out the minor things before the inspection - so, chances are, we'll show up somewhat later in the show. All the best, Max On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Mark Stauffer wrote: > Just wanted to let the list know that we're off for Sun n Fun bright and > early tomorrow morning. > > We hope to see all of our friends at the show and please don't forget the > gathering at the Lightning tent on Friday at 1100 followed by Nick's > presentation at 1300. > > Blue skies! > > Mark > > Mark Stauffer > Production Manager > Arion Aircraft > 2842 Hwy 231 North > Shelbyville, TN 37160 > (931) 680-1781 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 10, 2010
Subject: Re: Off to Sun n Fun
In a message dated 4/9/2010 3:34:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark(at)flylightning.net writes: Just wanted to let the list know that we're off for Sun n Fun bright and early tomorrow morning. We hope to see all of our friends at the show and please don't forget the gathering at the Lightning tent on Friday at 1100 followed by Nick's presentation at 1300. Blue skies! Mark Up, up and awaaay! Looking forward to next week, one of the highlights of my flying year (the Shelbyville gathering is the tops). Earl ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 10, 2010
Subject: Re: Off to Sun n Fun
Earl, Max, and all others, I arrived at Sun N Fun yesterday afternoon and have the camp all set up. Let me know when you guys are flying in and I will try to meet you in the homebuilt parking area. Only five homebuilts here this morning - an RV- 4, RV-12, Kit Fox and two Velocities. The vintage parking area has about the same number. Rest of the Sun N Fun area is busy with vendors setting up. Beautiful weather here. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 4/10/2010 8:58:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguson(at)aol.com writes: In a message dated 4/9/2010 3:34:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark(at)flylightning.net writes: Just wanted to let the list know that we're off for Sun n Fun bright and early tomorrow morning. We hope to see all of our friends at the show and please don't forget the gathering at the Lightning tent on Friday at 1100 followed by Nick's presentation at 1300. Blue skies! Mark Up, up and awaaay! Looking forward to next week, one of the highlights of my flying year (the Shelbyville gathering is the tops). Earl (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 10, 2010
Subject: pre SNF update
Two more days before the official Sun N Fun start date. Beautiful day today for the SYI crew to fly to Lakeland. They brought two Light Sport Lightning LS-1s and five Jabirus. I am biased, but they are the best looking airplanes here. Certainly no other Light Sport aircraft can come close. Unfortunately I forgot to have my camera with me, so no arrival photos, but I will take it tomorrow and get some shots of them setting up shop in their booth and in the light sport mall. The only slightly exciting event today was a Luscombe ground loop right in front of all the SNF activities. Folded the right main and bent up the right wing tip. What a bad place to do a bad thing. I feel sorry for the unfortunate pilot. This happened just before the SYI gang was to arrive so it delayed their arrival somewhat. In fact, due to the location of the mishap, they all had to take the "Earl SNF Taxi Tour Route" to get to their parking spaces. I am not going to promise an email update every day, but will get at least a few out. My main emphasis will be to get some good photos and info for the May newsletter. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 11, 2010
Subject: Arrived in Lakeland
From: Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com>
Hi all, Well we're safe and sound in Lakeland. We had a great flight down, just under 5 hours flight time. Here's a couple of pictures for you. Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Arrived in Lakeland
Date: Apr 11, 2010
From: n5pb(at)aol.com
Nice airborne pics. Glad you all arrived safely....Hope to see you on Wed . Don't know yet if I'll be flyin or drivin... Bear -----Original Message----- From: Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:19 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Arrived in Lakeland Hi all, Well we're safe and sound in Lakeland. We had a great flight down, just un der 5 hours flight time. Here's a couple of pictures for you. Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 12, 2010
Subject: Sun N Fun
Bear, Please fly, don't drive. I don't want to be the only Lightning in the Experimental park this year. Earl ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 12, 2010
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun
Right on, World Record Earl, you tell 'em. We need lots of Lightnings in homebuilt parking. Heck, there are already at least two RV-12s. Blue skies, Buz In a message dated 4/12/2010 8:45:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguson(at)aol.com writes: Bear, Please fly, don't drive. I don't want to be the only Lightning in the Experimental park this year. Earl (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 12, 2010
Subject: Sun N Fun Update
All Another nice day here at Lakeland Airport. Tomorrow is the opening day for Sun N Fun, and if I had to guess, I would say the total number of aircraft is down somewhat from the last few years. That is certainly the case in Vintage parking and homebuilt parking. Haven't really looked at the general aircraft parking areas. The Lightning and Jabiru booths are all set up and I must say that the three Lightnings now here are outstanding examples of EAB Lightnings and the LS-1. In the main display Lightning booth is Jim Johannes' and Greg Crouchley's EAB Lightnings, and in the Light Sport Mall is Ed Ryan's LS-1. Up until this morning I had only seen photos of all three of these aircraft and I must say that the photos did not do justice to these three beautiful airplanes. All are outstanding examples of the Lightning. So a big salute to Jim, Greg, Ed, and to the Tennessee bunch and the Green Landings gang for their outstanding workmanship. Also ran into Bill Strahan and his GPS partner, Walt, in exhibit building E. They are here with their iFly 700 GPS that was featured in the April Lightning Newsletter. Be sure to drop by their booth to say hello. For those not thoroughly familiar with the Sun N Fun layout, there are four exhibit buildings in a row (A-D). Exhibit building E is further north through the trees towards the drive in camping area. That building used to be the parts mart some years ago. And by the way, Greg Crouchley was apparently their first official Sun N Fun customer, as he has bought one of their GPS units and the show has not started yet. Super. If you are here tomorrow, don't forget the Lightning forum at 1300 in forum tent 11. Be there to cheer on Nick and Mark as they tap dance their way into the hearts and minds of the sun n fun crowd. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 12, 2010
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun Update
In a message dated 4/12/2010 3:49:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: Be there to cheer on Nick and Mark as they tap dance their way into the hearts and minds of the sun n fun crowd. Notice I said tap dance, not LAP DANCE. But your mileage may vary. Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 12, 2010
From: Allan Maxwell <allanmaxe(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun Update
Buz send us some pictures of the lightnings and esquals there and I will se nd you my painted parts so for Allan Maxwell Esqual LS or Light Sport --- On Mon, 4/12/10, N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote: From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com <N1BZRich(at)aol.com> Subject: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 2:46 PM All ----Another nice day here at Lakeland Airport.- Tomorrow is the o pening day for Sun N Fun, and if I had to guess, I would say the total numb er of aircraft is down somewhat from the last few years.- That is certain ly the case in Vintage parking and homebuilt parking.- Haven't really loo ked at the general aircraft parking areas.- ----The Lightning and Jabiru booths are all set up and I must say t hat the three Lightnings now here are outstanding examples of EAB Lightning s and the LS-1.- In the main display Lightning booth is Jim Johannes' and Greg Crouchley's-EAB Lightnings, and in the Light Sport Mall is Ed Ryan' s LS-1.- Up until this morning I had only seen photos of all three of the se aircraft and I must say that the photos did not do justice to these thre e beautiful airplanes. -All are outstanding examples of the Lightning.- So a big salute to-Jim, Greg, Ed, and to the Tennessee bunch and the Gre en Landings gang for their outstanding workmanship.- ----Also ran into Bill Strahan and his GPS partner, Walt,-in exhi bit-building E.- They are here with their iFly 700 GPS that was feature d in the April Lightning Newsletter.- Be sure to drop by their booth to s ay hello.- For those not thoroughly familiar with the Sun N Fun layout, t here are four exhibit buildings in a row (A-D).- Exhibit building E is fu rther north through the trees towards the drive in camping area.- That bu ilding used to be the parts mart some years ago.- And by the way, Greg Cr ouchley was apparently their first official Sun N Fun customer, as he has b ought one of their GPS units and the show has not started yet.- Super. ----If you are here tomorrow, don't forget the Lightning forum at 1 300 in forum tent 11.- Be there to cheer on Nick and Mark as they tap dan ce their way into the hearts and minds of the sun n fun crowd.- Blue Skies, Buz =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun Update
Date: Apr 12, 2010
From: n5pb(at)AOL.COM
I've seen their "Tennessee Waltz". Like Buz said you mileage may vary.... Big logistics issue for me flying there...hangar door is locked in the dow n position. Looks like a lightning hit to the wiring. No hand crank avail able and it's a BIG door...Probably Thursday before it can be fixed. Also got a cnx from my buddy who is my ride form the grounds to the hotel. So If I can get the hangar door up and fly over, I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3.... Bear -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 3:52 pm Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update In a message dated 4/12/2010 3:49:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@ aol.com writes: Be there to cheer on Nick and Mark as they tap dance their way into the he arts and minds of the sun n fun crowd. Notice I said tap dance, not LAP DANCE. But your mileage may vary. Buz ======================== =========== -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 12, 2010
From: Dustin Clowser <dustinclowser_1014(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun Update
304.904.3850=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "n5pb@a ol.com" =0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, Apri l 12, 2010 9:55:30 PM=0ASubject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update=0A=0A I've seen their "Tennessee Waltz".- Like Buz said you mileage may vary... .=0A=0ABig logistics issue for me flying there...hangar door is locked in t he down position.- Looks like a lightning hit to the wiring. No hand cran k available and it's a BIG door...Probably Thursday before it can be fixed. - Also got a cnx from my buddy who is my ride form the grounds to the hot el.- So If I can get the hangar door up and fly over,-I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles away...).- so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3....=0A=0A=0ABear=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message--- --=0AFrom: N1BZRich(at)aol.com=0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 3:52 pm=0ASubject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update=0A=0A =0AIn a message dated 4/12/2010 3:49:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRic h(at)aol.com writes:=0ABe there to cheer on Nick and Mark as they tap dance th eir way into the hearts and minds of the sun n fun crowd.=0ANotice I said t ap dance, not LAP DANCE.- But your mileage may vary.=0ABuz=0A- =0A=0A =0A======================== =============0At" target=_blank>http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List============== =======================0Atp://f orums.matronics.com=0A================= ====================0A_blank>http://w ww.matronics.com/contribution=============== ======================0A=0A=0A=0A -======================== ====================0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 13, 2010
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun Update
In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes: Big logistics issue for me flying there...hangar door is locked in the down position. Looks like a lightning hit to the wiring. No hand crank available and it's a BIG door...Probably Thursday before it can be fixed. Also got a cnx from my buddy who is my ride form the grounds to the hotel. So If I can get the hangar door up and fly over, I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3.... Bear A couple of well placed shaped charges should take care of this delay. Earl ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 13, 2010
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun Update
In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes: I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3.... P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel". Earl ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 13, 2010
From: Allan Maxwell <allanmaxe(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: newly painted parts
attached is pics of esqual paint job in progress.- will send more.=0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun Update
Date: Apr 13, 2010
From: n5pb(at)aol.com
Earl, LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was in the AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag? Bear -----Original Message----- From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:23 am Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb@AOL. COM writes: I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3.... P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel". Earl ======================== =========== -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 13, 2010
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun Update
In a message dated 4/12/2010 8:32:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, allanmaxe(at)yahoo.com writes: Buz send us some pictures of the lightnings and esquals there Allan, So far no Lightnings or Esquals in the homebuilt parking area. Just the Lightnings in the display areas. I will send some of those photos when I get the time to download them from the camera to the computer. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 14, 2010
Subject: Re: Sun N Fun Update
In a message dated 4/13/2010 9:53:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb(at)aol.com writes: LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was in the AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag? Oh, if you were ex Army, you wouldn't need a sleeping bag, just a trenching tool. The Navy term is not printable in polite company, ask me at SNF. I don't know the AF term, but Buz can advise. Earl ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Panel Planning Program
Date: Apr 15, 2010
From: "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne(at)lpwa.net>
Anyone aware of a free or low cost panel design program - one that is easy to use and will produce CAD style drawings that can be used to cut the panel????? Wayne Patterson (Perth - Western Australia) From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n5pb(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update Earl, LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was in the AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag? Bear -----Original Message----- From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:23 am Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes: I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3.... P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel". Earl t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 14, 2010
From: <scottarden(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Panel Planning Program
I used the x-panel program. The boys in Shelbyville were supposed to send the drawings to them. You might check with them, but it is a GREAT program. Easy to use, has EVERYTHING you need and is only about $60! www.xpanelsoftware.com -- Have a blessed day! Scott C. Arden ---- Wayne Patterson wrote: > Anyone aware of a free or low cost panel design program - one that is > easy to use and will produce CAD style drawings that can be used to cut > the panel????? > > > > Wayne Patterson (Perth - Western Australia) > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > n5pb(at)aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:39 AM > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update > > > > Earl, > > LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was in > the AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag? > > > > Bear > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:23 am > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update > > In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes: > > I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles > away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3.... > > P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel". > > > > Earl > > > > t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Test-please delete
Date: Apr 16, 2010
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2010
Subject: Another Award Winner
From: Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com>
Just wanted to congratulate Jim Johannes on his win at Sun n Fun. Jim won Reserve Grand Champion Light Sport Aircraft at this year's show. Jim was kind enough to allow us to place his airplane in the booth along with Greg Crouchley's Lightning from Green Landings, WV. Congratulations Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 17, 2010
Subject: Re: Another Award Winner
In a message dated 4/17/2010 10:07:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com writes: Just wanted to congratulate Jim Johannes on his win at Sun n Fun. Jim won Reserve Grand Champion Light Sport Aircraft at this year's show. Jim was kind enough to allow us to place his airplane in the booth along with Greg Crouchley's Lightning from Green Landings, WV. Congratulations Jim! Sorry I wasn't there for the big event. Congrats to Jim. It is a beautiful job! Earl ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 17, 2010
Subject: A successful week so far....
From: Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com>
Hello to all, Just wanted to let you all know that we've had a very successful week so far at Sun n Fun. We've sold 3 kits and 1 Lightning LS-1 so far this week. We still have one more day to go. Many thanks to all that were able to come out and visit the booth and share their experiences with potential customers. You guys are the best! It is you, our customers, that help to continue to sell airplanes! Also, many thanks to Lynn Nelsen who generously allowed Nick to fly three demo flights in his plane that resulted in two of our sales at the show. We had a great "reunion" this past Friday. Look for more photos and a full write up in the next newsletter. We still have one more day and then we leave Monday for Shelbyville. Blue skies to all! Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another Award Winner
Date: Apr 18, 2010
From: n5pb(at)aol.com
Congratulations Jim, You have a beautiful plane. It's great to be part of the Lightning community!!! Glad to have met you and all the other folks on Friday. Fly safely! Bear -----Original Message----- From: Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:02 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Another Award Winner Just wanted to congratulate Jim Johannes on his win at Sun n Fun. Jim won Reserve Grand Champion Light Sport Aircraft at this year's show. Jim was kind enough to allow us to place his airplane in the booth along with Greg Crouchley's Lightning from Green Landings, WV. Congratulations Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 18, 2010
Subject: Re: Another Award Winner
Congratulations, Jim, great job. I feel sure the extra time and effort you put in on the computerized builder's log was well worth the effort. Little things like that are often the tie breakers. Good to finally meet you and look forward to seeing you again at Oshkosh and the upcoming Lightning Fly-In this coming Sept or Oct. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 4/17/2010 10:07:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com writes: Just wanted to congratulate Jim Johannes on his win at Sun n Fun. Jim won Reserve Grand Champion Light Sport Aircraft at this year's show. Jim was kind enough to allow us to place his airplane in the booth along with Greg Crouchley's Lightning from Green Landings, WV. Congratulations Jim! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: N13LN famous..at least a little
Date: Apr 20, 2010
Check out www.bydanjohnson.com <http://www.bydanjohnson.com/> And scroll down a bit to the SNF recap. Good picture of Lynns plane out at South Lakeland for demo rides.thanks again. Also notice we got mentioned in the sentence as the piper sport...the LS-1 was mentioned first as it should be. Nick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 21, 2010
Subject: Re:Dan Johnson report
In a message dated 4/21/2010 2:57:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning-list(at)matronics.com writes: Check out www.bydanjohnson.com <http://www.bydanjohnson.com/> And scroll down a bit to the SNF recap. Good picture of Lynns plane out at South Lakeland for demo rides.thanks again. Also notice we got mentioned in the sentence as the piper sport...the LS-1 was mentioned first as it should be. Nick Arion was mentioned more than once. Did you really sell 6 or 7 airplanes? That made Arion the star of the show. I'm proud of ya! Earl ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Re:Dan Johnson report
Date: Apr 21, 2010
Unfortunately no. Dan got his numbers mixed up a little. The official tally was three kits and one S-LSA. We are taking phone calls though from people that met us at the show. Hopefully that will generate some more sales. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of EAFerguson(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:53 AM To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Lightning-List: Re:Dan Johnson report In a message dated 4/21/2010 2:57:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning-list(at)matronics.com writes: Check out www.bydanjohnson.com <http://www.bydanjohnson.com/> And scroll down a bit to the SNF recap. Good picture of Lynns plane out at South Lakeland for demo rides.thanks again. Also notice we got mentioned in the sentence as the piper sport...the LS-1 was mentioned first as it should be. Nick Arion was mentioned more than once. Did you really sell 6 or 7 airplanes? That made Arion the star of the show. I'm proud of ya! Earl ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 21, 2010
Subject: Re:Dan Johnson report
That is still a good show. Earl In a message dated 4/21/2010 1:05:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark(at)flylightning.net writes: Unfortunately no. Dan got his numbers mixed up a little. The official tally was three kits and one S-LSA. We are taking phone calls though from people that met us at the show. Hopefully that will generate some more sales. Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Simon Wilson" <simon(at)sertech.com.au>
Subject: Panel Planning Program
Date: Apr 22, 2010
Does anyone know if Arion have supplied panel data to x-panel? Cheers Simon -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of scottarden(at)cox.net Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Panel Planning Program I used the x-panel program. The boys in Shelbyville were supposed to send the drawings to them. You might check with them, but it is a GREAT program. Easy to use, has EVERYTHING you need and is only about $60! www.xpanelsoftware.com -- Have a blessed day! Scott C. Arden ---- Wayne Patterson wrote: > Anyone aware of a free or low cost panel design program - one that is > easy to use and will produce CAD style drawings that can be used to cut > the panel????? > > > > Wayne Patterson (Perth - Western Australia) > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > n5pb(at)aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:39 AM > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update > > > > Earl, > > LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was in > the AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag? > > > > Bear > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:23 am > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update > > In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes: > > I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles > away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3.... > > P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel". > > > > Earl > > > > t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Panel Planning Program
Date: Apr 22, 2010
Group, I will get a Cad drawing of the panel face posted today just got to get it from the avionics shop here. Nick Arion Aircraft, LLC -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Wilson Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:51 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Panel Planning Program Does anyone know if Arion have supplied panel data to x-panel? Cheers Simon -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of scottarden(at)cox.net Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:40 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Panel Planning Program I used the x-panel program. The boys in Shelbyville were supposed to send the drawings to them. You might check with them, but it is a GREAT program. Easy to use, has EVERYTHING you need and is only about $60! www.xpanelsoftware.com -- Have a blessed day! Scott C. Arden ---- Wayne Patterson wrote: > Anyone aware of a free or low cost panel design program - one that is > easy to use and will produce CAD style drawings that can be used to cut > the panel????? > > > > Wayne Patterson (Perth - Western Australia) > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > n5pb(at)aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:39 AM > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update > > > > Earl, > > LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was in > the AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag? > > > > Bear > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:23 am > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update > > In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes: > > I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles > away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3.... > > P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel". > > > > Earl > > > > t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: curtis myers <myerscw2(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Panel Planning Program
Date: Apr 22, 2010
I sent a request to Nick to supply CAD file for the panel also. Not sure if he has done it yet. Curt On Apr 22, 2010, at 7:51 AM, Simon Wilson wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if Arion have supplied panel data to x-panel? > > Cheers > Simon > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of scottarden(at)cox.net > Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:40 PM > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Panel Planning Program > > > I used the x-panel program. The boys in Shelbyville were supposed > to send the drawings to them. You might check with them, but it is > a GREAT program. Easy to use, has EVERYTHING you need and is only > about $60! www.xpanelsoftware.com > -- > Have a blessed day! > Scott C. Arden > > ---- Wayne Patterson wrote: >> Anyone aware of a free or low cost panel design program - one that is >> easy to use and will produce CAD style drawings that can be used to >> cut >> the panel????? >> >> >> >> Wayne Patterson (Perth - Western Australia) >> >> >> >> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> n5pb(at)aol.com >> Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:39 AM >> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update >> >> >> >> Earl, >> >> LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was >> in >> the AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag? >> >> >> >> Bear >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com >> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com >> Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:23 am >> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update >> >> In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes: >> >> I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles >> away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3.... >> >> P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel". >> >> >> >> Earl >> >> >> >> t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: FW: New Gear Lightning
Date: Apr 22, 2010
Dennis, Here is a copy of an email I sent to ryan about the new gear sho0uld give a good idea of how to install the torque supports. Add to the center of the fuselage against the seat bulk head in the center; 8 layers 10oz glass 3" by 6" , than 2 layers 10oz glass 6" by 6" .; this will build up the plys for the correct structure. Nick _____ From: flylightning [mailto:info(at)flylightning.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:55 PM Subject: New Gear Lightning Ryan, Here are 2 good pictures of the landing gear. The first is head on , should give a good idea of the difference in the stance and track. Second is the upgrade to the box, similar to the old box just a different configuration. The main reason for the change was the factory built LS-1, and the possibility of it being in a flight school. The original gear is more than sufficient for a current pilot. It was designed to be a good gear and be lighter weight. We new the offset to this would be a gear that, should it be dropped in hard could bend but not break. We designed it to do this so the load would not transfer to the airframe and the only damage would be a 70 dollar gear leg. The new gear design is only slightly heavier at about 2lbs a side so the weight vs benefit in structure is reasonable. The new gear has a much shallower angle than the old gear. This allow no increase in aircraft height but a longer leg which can flex more and put up with abuse better, ie a longer bending moment with more flex. The leg is larger at the top and bottom than the old and incorporates multiple tapers to bend and flex appropriately. Drop test with the old gear showed what we thought, deformation of the gear when a dead drop from 20" is performed. However the gear did not fail. The new gear is ASTM compliant and went thru the above drop test with no issue and several other drop situations and well. In fact due to our nature ( guys trying to break stuff) we dropped the new gear over a dozen times from varying heights and never did it bend of fail in any way. The new gear will eventually be added to the kit aircraft as well and the old gear will be eliminated all together. For now the new gear design can be part of a kit upon request. We have a few of the original gear boxes to use and those will be supplied with kits until we are out or if the customer specifically request the new design. Either way it is your choice. Nick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: A few more Lightnings in the Air.
Date: Apr 22, 2010
To Group, N897PR has flow today at 4:20. This is an LS-1 that will be headed down to Florida. All went well on the flight with some minor adjustment to come. Just before the Flight I had a short conversation with Dennis from down under and he reports a First flight yesterday on a new Aussie built Lightning as well. Will look for an update from him. Hopefully mark will chime in and tell us what number Flying these are since I can keep track! Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 22, 2010
Subject: Re:Dan Johnson report
I think it is worth noting that the Lightning is probably one of the top selling Light Sports other than Vans! (Vans is in a league of their own. They cost about the same, take 3 times longer to build and are stuck with a Rotax engine!!) Rumor has it that Ryan at Green Landings has sold 5 kits since January, the three kits plus S-LSA from Shelbyville and at least two kits to Lightning Southwest make 10 kits in the last 3 months or so. Rumor is that the next deliveries slots are in July, so things are picking up!!! Talking with other suppliers at Sun n Fun, it would appear that sales are up a bit for Light Sport. It was fun working in the Booth this year because at least 20 times a day someone would come up and say, "WHAT A BEAUTIFUL AIRPLANE!" Wonder what they said about some of the competition? Doug Koenigsberg In a message dated 4/21/2010 1:05:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark(at)flylightning.net writes: Unfortunately no. Dan got his numbers mixed up a little. The official tally was three kits and one S-LSA. We are taking phone calls though from people that met us at the show. Hopefully that will generate some more sales. Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FW: New Gear Lightning
Date: Apr 23, 2010
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Is that a red and white plane? All planes should be red and white! Do you have the phrase 'bandy'in the US.. That's one 'bandy U/C', is it a better ride?...... :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: 22 April 2010 22:12 Subject: Lightning-List: FW: New Gear Lightning Dennis, Here is a copy of an email I sent to ryan about the new gear sho0uld give a good idea of how to install the torque supports. Add to the center of the fuselage against the seat bulk head in the center; 8 layers 10oz glass 3" by 6" , than 2 layers 10oz glass 6" by 6" .; this will build up the plys for the correct structure. Nick ________________________________ From: flylightning [mailto:info(at)flylightning.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:55 PM Subject: New Gear Lightning Ryan, Here are 2 good pictures of the landing gear. The first is head on , should give a good idea of the difference in the stance and track. Second is the upgrade to the box, similar to the old box just a different configuration. The main reason for the change was the factory built LS-1, and the possibility of it being in a flight school. The original gear is more than sufficient for a current pilot. It was designed to be a good gear and be lighter weight. We new the offset to this would be a gear that, should it be dropped in hard could bend but not break. We designed it to do this so the load would not transfer to the airframe and the only damage would be a 70 dollar gear leg. The new gear design is only slightly heavier at about 2lbs a side so the weight vs benefit in structure is reasonable. The new gear has a much shallower angle than the old gear. This allow no increase in aircraft height but a longer leg which can flex more and put up with abuse better, ie a longer bending moment with more flex. The leg is larger at the top and bottom than the old and incorporates multiple tapers to bend and flex appropriately. Drop test with the old gear showed what we thought, deformation of the gear when a dead drop from 20" is performed. However the gear did not fail. The new gear is ASTM compliant and went thru the above drop test with no issue and several other drop situations and well. In fact due to our nature ( guys trying to break stuff) we dropped the new gear over a dozen times from varying heights and never did it bend of fail in any way. The new gear will eventually be added to the kit aircraft as well and the old gear will be eliminated all together. For now the new gear design can be part of a kit upon request. We have a few of the original gear boxes to use and those will be supplied with kits until we are out or if the customer specifically request the new design. Either way it is your choice. Nick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Apr 27, 2010
Group, Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel. Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS or some connector runs into them. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 27, 2010
From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Lightning Panel blank.
Hi Nick, Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD 2 000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It wa s nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun. Regards, Bernardo-Melendez, Realtor Professional Real Estate Inspector ALIANZA INSPECTIONS Mobile:-- 281.536.9052 Bernardo(at)AlianzaInspections.com --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote: From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AGroup, =0A=0A - =0A=0APanel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits=0Ainto a molded pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios=0Aand autopilot must be mo unted lower in the panel. =0A=0ARemember the Canopy tip up brackets as well . The nicest=0Apanel in the world wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the=0Aback of your EFIS or some connector runs into them. =0A =0A - =0A=0ANick Otterback =0A=0AArion Aircraft, LLC =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Apr 28, 2010
Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Hi Nick, Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun. Regards, Bernardo Melendez, Realtor Professional Real Estate Inspector ALIANZA INSPECTIONS Mobile: 281.536.9052 Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com> --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote: From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM Group, Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel. Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS or some connector runs into them. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Apr 28, 2010
Bernardo, I guess it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my computer opens it as a e-viewer because I don't have CAD here.So should be able with an 04 or newer edition. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:55 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Hi Nick, Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun. Regards, Bernardo Melendez, Realtor Professional Real Estate Inspector ALIANZA INSPECTIONS Mobile: 281.536.9052 Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com> --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote: From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM Group, Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel. Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS or some connector runs into them. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2010
From: <efontenot3(at)cox.net>
Subject: Lightning Panel blank.
It is a 2004 version file. I opened it in AutoCAD and checked the version. Earnie Fontenot efontenot3(at)cox.net ---- flylightning wrote: > Bernardo, > > > > I guess it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my computer opens it as a e-viewer > because I don't have CAD here.So should be able with an 04 or newer edition. > > > > Nick > > > > _____ > > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:55 AM > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. > > > > Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing. > > > > Nick > > > > _____ > > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard > Melendez, Jr. > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. > > > > > Hi Nick, > Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD > 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It > was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun. > Regards, > > Bernardo Melendez, Realtor > Professional Real Estate Inspector > > ALIANZA INSPECTIONS > > Mobile: 281.536.9052 > > Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com> > > > > --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote: > > > From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> > Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM > > Group, > > > > Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded > pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and > autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel. > > Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world > wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS > or some connector runs into them. > > > > Nick Otterback > > Arion Aircraft, LLC > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2010
From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Lightning Panel blank.
Thanks, Nick. Regards, Bernardo-Melendez P.S. For your viewing pleasure, here's a pic of my current steed. --- On Wed, 4/28/10, flylightning wrote: From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 7:54 AM =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ALooks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will=0Aget the Cad drawing. =0A=0A - =0A=0ANick =0A=0A - =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-lightning-list-server@matronic s.com=0A[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ber nard Melendez, Jr. =0ASent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03=0APM =0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: Re: Lightning-List:=0ALightning Panel blank. =0A=0A=0A=0A - =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A Hi Nick, =0A Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have Auto CAD=0A 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatib le. It was=0A nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun. =0A Regards, =0A =0A Bernardo-Melendez,=0A Realtor =0A Professional Real Estate Inspector =0A =0A =0A ALIANZA INSPECTIONS =0A =0A =0A Mobile:-- 281.536.9052 =0A =0A =0A Bernardo@AlianzaIn spections.com =0A =0A =0A =0A --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning =0A wrote: =0A =0A From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> =0A Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. =0A To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com =0A Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM =0A =0A =0A Group, =0A - =0A Panel=0A blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded pod not a=0A flat straight back face. In general items like radios and autopilot must be=0A mounted lower in the panel. =0A Remember=0A th e Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world wont fit if =0A you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS or so me=0A connector runs into them. =0A - =0A Nick=0A Otterback =0A Ario n=0A Aircraft, LLC =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A - -http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matroni cs.com/contribution - =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2010
From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Lightning Panel blank.
Nick, Don't worry about it, I'll get a copy eventually. As I've always understood it, AutoCAD newer versions should always be backwards compatible, all the way to V.10. Oh, well... Regards, Bernardo --- On Wed, 4/28/10, flylightning wrote: From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 8:43 AM =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABernardo, =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AI guess it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my=0Acomputer opens it as a e -viewer because I don=99t have CAD hereSo=0Ashould be able w ith an 04 or newer edition. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ANick =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[ mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning =0ASent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010=0A7:55 AM =0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: RE: Lightning-List:=0ALightning Panel blank. =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2 - =0A=0ALooks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will=0Aget the Cad drawing. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ANick =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: =0Aowner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-lightning-list -server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. =0ASent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03=0APM =0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: Re: Lightning-List:=0ALightning Panel blank. =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2 - =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A Hi Nick, =0A Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have Auto CAD=0A 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatib le. It was=0A nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun. =0A Regards, =0A =0A Bernardo=C2-Melendez,=0A Realtor =0A Professional Real Estate Inspector =0A =0A =0A ALIANZA INSPECTIONS =0A =0A =0A Mobile:=C2-=C2- 281.536.9052 =0A =0A =0A Bernardo@Ali anzaInspections.com =0A =0A =0A =0A --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning =0A wrote: =0A =0A From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> =0A Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. =0A To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com =0A Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM =0A =0A =0A Group, =0A =C2 - =0A Panel=0A blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits in to a molded pod not a=0A flat straight back face. In general items like ra dios and autopilot must be=0A mounted lower in the panel. =0A Remember=0A the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world wont fi t if=0A you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS o r some=0A connector runs into them. =0A =C2- =0A Nick=0A Otterback =0A Arion=0A Aircraft, LLC =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A =C2- =C2-http ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List =C2-http://forums.matronics .com =C2-http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mefford, Walt" <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com>
Date: Apr 28, 2010
Subject: Lightning Panel blank.
Try .DXF format. This format will transfer to quite a variety of CAD packages other than AutoCAD. Walt Mefford N881WP From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:42 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Nick, Don't worry about it, I'll get a copy eventually. As I've always understood it, AutoCAD newer versions should always be backwards compatible, all the way to V.10. Oh, well... Regards, Bernardo --- On Wed, 4/28/10, flylightning wrote: From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 8:43 AM Bernardo, I guess it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my computer opens it as a e-viewer because I don=99t have CAD hereSo should be able with an 04 or newer edition. Nick ________________________________ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:55 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing. Nick ________________________________ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Hi Nick, Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun. Regards, Bernardo Melendez, Realtor Professional Real Estate Inspector ALIANZA INSPECTIONS Mobile: 281.536.9052 Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com<http://alianzainspections.com> --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote: From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM Group, Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel. Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS or some connector runs into them. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-lank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com<=== ====== ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Apr 28, 2010
Bernardo, Very cool looks like a little fighter..like the paint job too. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:01 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Thanks, Nick. Regards, Bernardo Melendez P.S. For your viewing pleasure, here's a pic of my current steed. --- On Wed, 4/28/10, flylightning wrote: From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 7:54 AM Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Hi Nick, Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun. Regards, Bernardo Melendez, Realtor Professional Real Estate Inspector ALIANZA INSPECTIONS Mobile: 281.536.9052 Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com> --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote: From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM Group, Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel. Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS or some connector runs into them. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Johnny Thompson" <8wn(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Apr 28, 2010
Earnie Since you can open it could you save it in Auto Cad 2000 and send it to the group. Thanks Johnny Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: <efontenot3(at)cox.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:24 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. > > It is a 2004 version file. I opened it in AutoCAD and checked the version. > > Earnie Fontenot > efontenot3(at)cox.net > > ---- flylightning wrote: >> Bernardo, >> >> >> >> I guess it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my computer opens it as a e-viewer >> because I don't have CAD here.So should be able with an 04 or newer >> edition. >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> flylightning >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:55 AM >> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. >> >> >> >> Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing. >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard >> Melendez, Jr. >> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM >> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. >> >> >> >> >> Hi Nick, >> Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD >> 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It >> was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun. >> Regards, >> >> Bernardo Melendez, Realtor >> Professional Real Estate Inspector >> >> ALIANZA INSPECTIONS >> >> Mobile: 281.536.9052 >> >> Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com> >> >> >> >> --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote: >> >> >> From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> >> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. >> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com >> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM >> >> Group, >> >> >> >> Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded >> pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and >> autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel. >> >> Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the >> world >> wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your >> EFIS >> or some connector runs into them. >> >> >> >> Nick Otterback >> >> Arion Aircraft, LLC >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Apr 28, 2010
Bernardo, Very cool looks like a little fighter..like the paint job too. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:01 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Thanks, Nick. Regards, Bernardo Melendez P.S. For your viewing pleasure, here's a pic of my current steed. --- On Wed, 4/28/10, flylightning wrote: From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 7:54 AM Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Hi Nick, Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun. Regards, Bernardo Melendez, Realtor Professional Real Estate Inspector ALIANZA INSPECTIONS Mobile: 281.536.9052 Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com> --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote: From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM Group, Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel. Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS or some connector runs into them. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 29, 2010
From: <efontenot3(at)cox.net>
Subject: Lightning Panel blank. Acad 2000 version
This should be in AutoCAD 2000 format. Earnie Fontenot ---- Johnny Thompson <8wn(at)comcast.net> wrote: > > Earnie > Since you can open it could you save it in Auto Cad 2000 and send it to the > group. Thanks Johnny Thompson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <efontenot3(at)cox.net> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:24 AM > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. > > > > > > It is a 2004 version file. I opened it in AutoCAD and checked the version. > > > > Earnie Fontenot > > efontenot3(at)cox.net > > > > ---- flylightning wrote: > >> Bernardo, > >> > >> > >> > >> I guess it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my computer opens it as a e-viewer > >> because I don't have CAD here.So should be able with an 04 or newer > >> edition. > >> > >> > >> > >> Nick > >> > >> > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > >> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > >> flylightning > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:55 AM > >> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > >> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. > >> > >> > >> > >> Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing. > >> > >> > >> > >> Nick > >> > >> > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > >> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard > >> Melendez, Jr. > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM > >> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > >> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Nick, > >> Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD > >> 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It > >> was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun. > >> Regards, > >> > >> Bernardo Melendez, Realtor > >> Professional Real Estate Inspector > >> > >> ALIANZA INSPECTIONS > >> > >> Mobile: 281.536.9052 > >> > >> Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> > >> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. > >> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > >> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM > >> > >> Group, > >> > >> > >> > >> Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded > >> pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and > >> autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel. > >> > >> Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the > >> world > >> wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your > >> EFIS > >> or some connector runs into them. > >> > >> > >> > >> Nick Otterback > >> > >> Arion Aircraft, LLC > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > >> > >> http://forums.matronics.com > >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 28, 2010
From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Lightning Panel blank.
Sexy looking bird, Walt. I like the silver on yellow. Congrats on a fine ex ample. Hope mine looks as good when I build and finish it. Thanks for the info on the file. Regards, Bernardo --- On Wed, 4/28/10, Mefford, Walt wrote: From: Mefford, Walt <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 10:57 AM =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ATry .DXF format.=C2- This for mat will transfer to quite a variety=0Aof CAD packages other than AutoCAD. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AWalt Mefford =0A=0AN881WP =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0AFro m:=0Aowner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-lightning-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard=0AMelendez, Jr. =0ASent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:42 AM =0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A Nick, =0A Don't worry about it, I'll get a copy eventually. As I've always under stood=0A it, AutoCAD newer versions should always be backwards compatible, all the way=0A to V.10. Oh, well... =0A Regards, =0A Bernardo =0A =0A =0A --- On Wed, 4/28/10, flylightning =0A wrote: =0A =0A From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> =0A Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. =0A To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com =0A Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 8:43 AM =0A =0A =0A Bernardo, =0A =C2- =0A I guess=0A it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my computer opens i t as a e-viewer because I=0A don=99t have CAD hereSo should be able with an 04 or newer edition. =0A =C2- =0A Nick =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From:=0A owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylig htning =0A Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:55 AM =0A To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com =0A Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. =0A =0A =C2- =0A Looks=0A like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing. =0A =C2- =0A Nick =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From:=0A owner- lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server @matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard=0A Melendez, Jr. =0A Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM =0A To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com =0A Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A =0A Hi=0A Nick, =0A Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have Au toCAD=0A 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incomp atible. It=0A was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun. =0A Regards, =0A =0A Bernardo=C2-Melendez,=0A Realtor =0A Professional Real Estate Inspector =0A =0A =0A ALIANZA INSP ECTIONS =0A =0A =0A Mobile:=C2-=C2-=0A 281.536.9052 =0A =0A =0A Bernardo(at)AlianzaInspections.com =0A =0A =0A =0A --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning =0A wrot e: =0A =0A From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> =0A Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. =0A To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com =0A Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM =0A =0A =0A Group, =0A =C2- =0A Panel=0A blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded pod not=0A a flat straight back face. In gener al items like radios and autopilot must=0A be mounted lower in the panel . =0A Remember=0A the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest pane l in the world wont fit=0A if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS or some=0A connector runs into them. =0A =C2 - =0A Nick=0A Otterback =0A Arion=0A Aircraft, LLC =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =C2-=C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Lightning-List =C2-http://forums.matronics.com =C2-http://www.mat ronics.com/contribution =0A http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-l ank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com<= ========= =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A =C2- =C2-http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.mat ronics.com/contribution =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A-------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------=0AThis e-mail and any atta chments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment i s prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies.=0A=C2-=0AThank you for your cooperation. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
Subject: Re: fuel
Date: Apr 28, 2010
Nick When anyone does something not so right I feel it "may" be wise to pass it on. today I was near Wolk field (Wi) and realised I had forgotten to lock my right side fuel cap. Having gone 60 miles and blowing out 9 gal of fuel into space it then got my attention. I am still hear to talk about it, no fire and I made it back ok. When I realized the issue I drew the fuel from the right tank and reduced airspead, this did stop fuel loss. I have a habit of leaving my caps lose when topped in the hanger to stop expansion of fuel to seals. I leave a "reminder" on the left wing but forgot the right side, good news is I walked the runway when I returned and found the cap near the end of the runway where I would be at about 200 ft and about 80 mph. ??Dave Mcc, Esqual ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernard Melendez, Jr. To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:02 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. Hi Nick, Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun. Regards, Bernardo Melendez, Realtor Professional Real Estate Inspector ALIANZA INSPECTIONS Mobile: 281.536.9052 Bernardo(at)AlianzaInspections.com --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote: From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM Group, Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel. Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS or some connector runs into them. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: Apr 30, 2010
Subject: May 2010 Lightning Newsletter
All, Once again. I am happy to announce that, right on schedule, the latest issue of the Lightning Newsletter with Sun-N-Fun coverage is now posted on the three websites that carry our newsletters. Go to one of these sites to read the latest news: _http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/) _http://www.greenlandings.com/_ (http://www.greenlandings.com/) _http://www.jimslightning.com/_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/) Featured in this issue is Bill Browns' Lightning of the Month as well as Sun-N-Fun coverage with many photos and comments. Special recognition and congratulations go to two Lightning builders, Jim Johannes and Steve Biele. Jim won Reserve Grand Champion for Light Sport Aircraft at Sun-N-Fun and Steve won the Best Overall Aircraft at the recent Australian NATFLY. Outstanding! Also look for the latest factory news, another engine clinic article by Pete Krotje, tech tips (one on aircraft brakes), and a flight safety article on transition training. There are also inputs and photos from readers Ray Gage and Allan Maxwell. Please let me have some feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you for content and on your comments for improvement. Blue Skies, Buz Rich ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 30, 2010
Subject: Re: May 2010 Lightning Newsletter
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
Great Newsletter, Buz, as usual! "They have completed their demo Lightning, but still had a few wiring connections to complete, so were not able to bring it to Lakeland. By the time you are reading this, their airplane should be flying." - not yet, the Eyjafjallajokull is to blame. Russian team of 12 or so only left on 28th (flights cancelled and delayed due to that volcanic ash). And they were in the hangar every day all day from the end of the Sun-n-Fun to their departure. BBQ, taking the houseboat to the river (Gator wrestling anyone?) and other non-airplane related activities. We've recovered from their stay and working on the Lightning. Will post the pictures as soon as the N787FL flies. All the best, Max On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:32 AM, wrote: > All, > Once again. I am happy to announce that, right on schedule, the latest > issue of the Lightning Newsletter with Sun-N-Fun coverage is now posted on > the three websites that carry our newsletters. Go to one of these sites to > read the latest news: > > http://www.flylightning.net/ > > http://www.greenlandings.com/ > > http://www.jimslightning.com/ > > Featured in this issue is Bill Browns' Lightning of the Month as well as > Sun-N-Fun coverage with many photos and comments. > > Special recognition and congratulations go to two Lightning builders, Jim > Johannes and Steve Biele. Jim won Reserve Grand Champion for Light Sport > Aircraft at Sun-N-Fun and Steve won the Best Overall Aircraft at the recent > Australian NATFLY. Outstanding! > > Also look for the latest factory news, another engine clinic article by > Pete Krotje, tech tips (one on aircraft brakes), and a flight safety article > on transition training. There are also inputs and photos from readers Ray > Gage and Allan Maxwell. > > Please let me have some feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you for > content and on your comments for improvement. > Blue Skies, > Buz Rich > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 30, 2010
Subject: Re: May 2010 Lightning Newsletter
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
Olena just noticed - the phone number for Moonshine Aviation in the newsletter is wrong - the correct one is 386-873-9995 Thanks, Max On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Maxim Voronin wrote: > Great Newsletter, Buz, as usual! > > "They have completed their demo Lightning, but still had a few wiring > connections to complete, so were not able to bring it to Lakeland. By the > time you are reading this, their airplane should be flying." - not yet, the > Eyjafjallajokull is to blame. Russian team of 12 or so only left on 28th > (flights cancelled and delayed due to that volcanic ash). And they were in > the hangar every day all day from the end of the Sun-n-Fun to their > departure. BBQ, taking the houseboat to the river (Gator wrestling anyone?) > and other non-airplane related activities. We've recovered from their stay > and working on the Lightning. Will post the pictures as soon as the N787FL > flies. > All the best, > > Max > > > On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:32 AM, wrote: > >> All, >> Once again. I am happy to announce that, right on schedule, the latest >> issue of the Lightning Newsletter with Sun-N-Fun coverage is now posted on >> the three websites that carry our newsletters. Go to one of these sites to >> read the latest news: >> >> http://www.flylightning.net/ >> >> http://www.greenlandings.com/ >> >> http://www.jimslightning.com/ >> >> Featured in this issue is Bill Browns' Lightning of the Month as well as >> Sun-N-Fun coverage with many photos and comments. >> >> Special recognition and congratulations go to two Lightning builders, Jim >> Johannes and Steve Biele. Jim won Reserve Grand Champion for Light Sport >> Aircraft at Sun-N-Fun and Steve won the Best Overall Aircraft at the recent >> Australian NATFLY. Outstanding! >> >> Also look for the latest factory news, another engine clinic article by >> Pete Krotje, tech tips (one on aircraft brakes), and a flight safety article >> on transition training. There are also inputs and photos from readers Ray >> Gage and Allan Maxwell. >> >> Please let me have some feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you for >> content and on your comments for improvement. >> Blue Skies, >> Buz Rich >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: May 03, 2010
Subject: Re: May 2010 Lightning Newsletter
Got it, thanks. Have updated the list for the next newsletter. Buz In a message dated 4/30/2010 7:32:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, voroninmax(at)gmail.com writes: the correct one is 386-873-9995 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: A Lightning Takes to the Skies!
Date: May 03, 2010
To Group, While we here in TN are busy using Canoes and Swamp boats to get to work ( see weather news for Nashville) Dave Jalanti up in NY has been busy flying his LS-1. Yes I said LS-1, a non factory built one making it the First flying E-LSA Lightning. Other than a report of its first flight and some questions about adjustment I believe all is going well. Hopefully we will get a report as soon as Dave stops Flying for a while! Nick Arion Aircraft, LLC ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 7RW flies again
From: "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Date: May 08, 2010
I got tired of experimenting with the Rotec. It seems like it's a very nice piece of hardware, but I had spent so many hours trying to get it working better than the Bing that I found myself missing that other thing I used to do with my spare time...it's called FLYING! So while part of me feels the Rotec has potential to be a better solution than the Bing I don't think I'll be the person to tap that potential. Last week I removed the Rotec and began the tedious process of removing all the controls and restoring as close as possible the original configuration of the intake system. I was suprised when the engine fired right up and idled as smooth as could be. An hour of running, checking for any loose fittings, double checking to make sure nothing was rubbing anywhere in the engine compartment or under the panel and I put the cowling back on and went flying. It felt wonderful. I still hate seeing the wide spread between EGTs when running full throttle but I can throttle back to about 145-150 mph and get them nice and even and then lean further with the Hacman. So at this point I'm tired of jacking with the engine. Any improvements in performance will be from aerodynamic changes. Flap bracket fairings are high on the list, and at some point I'll start playing with the cowling. But I also need to address the landing gear shimmy when slowing down after landing first. I've seen discussion of balancing the tires, but the ride is so smooth at speed that I find that unlikely. There's only one speed, probably between 20 and 30 mph, which causes the shimmy. I've seen discussion on this topic, but nothing definitive. Go the RV route and stiffen the gear fore/aft? Thoughts? Glad to be back in the air, Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297162#297162 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 7RW flies again
Date: May 09, 2010
From: n5pb(at)aol.com
Bill, glad you're back in the air again! It was nice to see you at SNF and also to check out the IFLY GPS 700...i'm having alot of fun wiht it. For now, It's really being used as a flight planning tool the night prior to the flight and a back up system in the cockpit (Since I have internal GPS) in case I have an electrical falure. It sure is a pleasure to use though. I too am working on getting all the little "distractors" resolved in my je t. The gear shimmy is one I'm working on now. I downloaded all the previ ous discussions in the newsletters (thanks bo Buz and the gang for publish ing, editing and indexing).It was easy to pull specific info on it again. You may be right on the balancing, however, that's going to be my starting point. Then it's air pressure, wheel pants on/off...and anything else as I travel on down the runway.... Bear -----Original Message----- From: Bill Strahan <bill(at)gdsx.com> Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 2:24 am Subject: Lightning-List: 7RW flies again I got tired of experimenting with the Rotec. It seems like it's a very ni ce iece of hardware, but I had spent so many hours trying to get it working better han the Bing that I found myself missing that other thing I used to do wit h my pare time...it's called FLYING! So while part of me feels the Rotec has potential to be a better solution than he Bing I don't think I'll be the person to tap that potential. Last week I emoved the Rotec and began the tedious process of removing all the control s and estoring as close as possible the original configuration of the intake sys tem. was suprised when the engine fired right up and idled as smooth as could be. n hour of running, checking for any loose fittings, double checking to mak e ure nothing was rubbing anywhere in the engine compartment or under the pa nel nd I put the cowling back on and went flying. It felt wonderful. I still hate seeing the wide spread between EGTs when unning full throttle but I can throttle back to about 145-150 mph and get them ice and even and then lean further with the Hacman. So at this point I'm tired of jacking with the engine. Any improvements in erformance will be from aerodynamic changes. Flap bracket fairings are hi gh on he list, and at some point I'll start playing with the cowling. But I also need to address the landing gear shimmy when slowing down after anding first. I've seen discussion of balancing the tires, but the ride is so mooth at speed that I find that unlikely. There's only one speed, probabl y etween 20 and 30 mph, which causes the shimmy. I've seen discussion on this topic, but nothing definitive. Go the RV rou te and tiffen the gear fore/aft? Thoughts? Glad to be back in the air, Bill ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297162#297162 ======================== =========== -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 09, 2010
Subject: Re: 7RW flies again
Bill, We appreciate your experimenting and passing the results on to the list. Sorry the Rotec didn't work out, but maybe you can try a fuel injection system next. Helmut in Australia is working on an electronic fuel injection for the Jabiru 3300 and has promised to share his results with us at some point in the future. Until them, have fun with your jet. By the way, good seeing you at SNF. Every time I came by your booth, you both seemed to have lots of people crowded around asking questions. Hope you sold lots of iFly 700s. Buz In a message dated 5/9/2010 2:25:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bill(at)gdsx.com writes: --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Bill Strahan" _bill(at)gdsx.com_ (mailto:bill(at)gdsx.com) I got tired of experimenting with the Rotec. It seems like it's a very nice piece of hardware, but I had spent so many hours trying to get it working better than the Bing that I found myself missing that other thing I used to do with my spare time...it's called FLYING! So while part of me feels the Rotec has potential to be a better solution than the Bing I don't think I'll be the person to tap that potential. Last week I removed the Rotec and began the tedious process of removing all the controls and restoring as close as possible the original configuration of the intake system. I was suprised when the engine fired right up and idled as smooth as could be. An hour of running, checking for any loose fittings, double checking to make sure nothing was rubbing anywhere in the engine compartment or under the panel and I put the cowling back on and went flying. It felt wonderful. I still hate seeing the wide spread between EGTs when running full throttle but I can throttle back to about 145-150 mph and get them nice and even and then lean further with the Hacman. So at this point I'm tired of jacking with the engine. Any improvements in performance will be from aerodynamic changes. Flap bracket fairings are high on the list, and at some point I'll start playing with the cowling. But I also need to address the landing gear shimmy when slowing down after landing first. I've seen discussion of balancing the tires, but the ride is so smooth at speed that I find that unlikely. There's only one speed, probably between 20 and 30 mph, which causes the shimmy. I've seen discussion on this topic, but nothing definitive. Go the RV route and stiffen the gear fore/aft? Thoughts? Glad to be back in the air, Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297162#297162 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 7RW flies again
From: "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Date: May 09, 2010
It was great putting faces with names while at Sun & Fun! It was fun to be at the show but I really missed getting out and just enjoying the event. We had a phenomenal response to the GPS. I've read about a couple of fuel injected Jabirus with great interest. I absolutely LOVE how smooth the engine is, and in fact like everything about it except the poor fuel distribution at full throttle. Part of it has to be how close the carb is to the split to the individual cylinders. Fuel injection would solve that problem. Having taken 7RW up to 17,500 now I'm convinced the true potential of the airframe for cross country travel can't be realized without the ability to run full throttle with even distribution of fuel. It's not as critical down low where 75% power is attained at much less than full throttle. Above about 8,000' full throttle is needed, and above about 13,000 the engine runs rough at full throttle. At 15,000' with the throttle pulled back to the point that the EGTs are fairly even I'm in "Prius Lightning" mode where I get phenomenal efficiency but only going about 135 mph. Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297190#297190 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 09, 2010
Subject: Re: 7RW flies again
In a message dated 5/9/2010 3:16:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bill(at)gdsx.com writes: Having taken 7RW up to 17,500 now I'm convinced the true potential of the airframe for cross country travel can't be realized without the ability to run full throttle with even distribution of fuel. It's not as critical down low where 75% power is attained at much less than full throttle. Above about 8,000' full throttle is needed, and above about 13,000 the engine runs rough at full throttle. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 09, 2010
Subject: Re: 7RW flies again
In a message dated 5/9/2010 3:16:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bill(at)gdsx.com writes: Having taken 7RW up to 17,500 now I'm convinced the true potential of the airframe for cross country travel can't be realized without the ability to run full throttle with even distribution of fuel. It's not as critical down low where 75% power is attained at much less than full throttle. Above about 8,000' full throttle is needed, and above about 13,000 the engine runs rough at full throttle. Bill, It has been a while since my phase one testing (some 650 hours ago) but I had 31BZ up to 16,000 and had no problem with the engine running smooth at that altitude. I still had a 200 foot per minute rate of climb up there, so just decided my max altitude would be 18000. My feet were too cold to try to go higher. I have not been that high since, but often cruise as high as 14,500 on a long cross country (yes, I have Oxygen) and again, no problem with the engine not running smooth at those altitudes. However, it is obvious that the Bing is not leaning enough at those altitudes. I have also had the prototype to 14,000 on several occasions, again with no rough running engine. So there might be something else going on with your engine other than the Bing carb to cause the rough running above 13000. At those altitudes I normally see true airspeed cruise speeds between 165 and 170 mph and fuel burns average out to about 5.8 gph. Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 7RW flies again
From: "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Date: May 09, 2010
Hmmm. The rough running only occurs at full throtle at those altitudes. And I haven't had it that high since I got all reinstalled. I've done over 180 straight and level at 14,500 but that was burning much more than you were. By the time I throttle back enough to get nice even EGTs I'm going a lot slower, but fuel burn is less than 4 gph. Do you have the long or short wingtips on your plane? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297209#297209 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 09, 2010
Subject: Re: 7RW flies again
In a message dated 5/9/2010 8:31:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bill(at)gdsx.com writes: Do you have the long or short wingtips on your plane? I have the medium tips. Sorry, couldn't resist that. Remember I don't have a Lightning - it is a highly modified Esqual (Lightning cowling, etc.). The wings are about halfway between the short and the long Lightning. Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another flight ticked off my to-do list
Date: May 10, 2010
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Great to hear all the news about SnF, pushed me to book up for Airventure so maybe see some of you there. Not really relevant to the list but can't resist sending out a few of the pics from last weeks trip with the family. The biggest hill in the UK would fit inside the canyon. Getting checked out over the Hoover dam was one checkout that I didn't mind doing. The guy was an ex tour pilot so briefed me on where all the choppers and fixed wing tour planes would be over the dam and the Canyon. Landed at Canyon West and did the ground tour at $75 for a 1/4 mile bus ride and a peer over the edge to see the Colorado at it's muddiest, the other option was $100 a passenger landing fee so we took the local indian tribes cheaper option..... My Esqual is fast becoming an LS as I should get the cowlings back (with red bottom, red pants and leg fairlings) this week, also one of the hangar queens has gone so I have space to put the wings back on. The rebuild will be the easy bit, the paperwork the challenge. Regards, Clive ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Another flight ticked off my to-do list
Date: May 10, 2010
Clive=2C As a young guy=2C may I say that those photos are totally sick! (That's a good thing by the way!) Thanks for sharing=2C looks like a blas t! Brian W. Subject: Lightning-List: Another flight ticked off my to-do list Date: Mon=2C 10 May 2010 21:23:01 +0100 From: clive.james(at)uk.bp.com Great to hear all the news about SnF=2C pushed me to book up for Airventure so ma ybe see some of you there. Not really relevant to the list but can't resist sending out a few of the pics from last weeks trip with the family. The biggest hill in the UK would fit inside the canyon. Getting checked out over the Hoover dam was one checkout that I didn't mind doing. The guy was an ex tour pilot so briefed me on where all the choppers and fixed wing tour planes would be over the d am and the Canyon. Landed at Canyon West and did the ground tour at $75 for a 1/4 mile bus ride and a peer over the edge to see the Colorado at it' s muddiest=2C the other option was $100 a passenger landing fee so we took th e local indian tribes cheaper option..... My Esqual is fast becoming an LS as I should get the cowlings back (with red bottom=2C red pants and leg fairlings) this week=2C also one of the hangar queens has gone so I have space to put the wings back on. The rebuild will be the easy bit=2C the paperwork the challenge. Regards=2C Clive _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: pictures
Date: May 10, 2010
Clive, outstanding pictures! Cant wait to do it myself. Thanks for showing us the trip. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightnings on the Web.
Date: May 11, 2010
Dan Johnson has got a write up of the Award winners from Sun N Fun. Many of you may know the Jim Johannes EAB Lightning From AL won Reserve Grand Champion Light Sport this year. There is mention of the plane and Jim on the home page and a link to EAAs website where you can find a pictures of this beautiful Lightning. As a Side note the first picture is one as an example of a Lightning, that one is Wayne's from AZ. Nick ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: May 12, 2010
Subject: Re: Another flight ticked off my to-do list
Clive, Great write up and photos about your Hoover Dam, Lake Mead, and Vegas trip. And I sure do hope you can make Oshkosh - and bring your bride. I will be there again working in the Vintage area but will also spend some time at the Lightning booth. I normally get to OSH about ten days before the show starts and stay for the entire time. By the say, your write up and photos about your England flight to Cornwall, Boscastle, & Cereman will be in the June Newsletter. May got to be too big with all the Sun N Fun coverage. Send some more photos when you get your Esqual LS back in the air. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 5/10/2010 4:42:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clive.james(at)uk.bp.com writes: Great to hear all the news about SnF, pushed me to book up for Airventure so maybe see some of you there. Not really relevant to the list but can't resist sending out a few of the pics from last weeks trip with the family. The biggest hill in the UK would fit inside the canyon. Getting checked out over the Hoover dam was one checkout that I didn't mind doing. The guy was an ex tour pilot so briefed me on where all the choppers and fixed wing tour planes would be over the dam and the Canyon. Landed at Canyon West and did the ground tour at $75 for a 1/4 mile bus ride and a peer over the edge to see the Colorado at it's muddiest, the other option was $100 a passenger landing fee so we took the local indian tribes cheaper option..... My Esqual is fast becoming an LS as I should get the cowlings back (with red bottom, red pants and leg fairlings) this week, also one of the hangar queens has gone so I have space to put the wings back on. The rebuild will be the easy bit, the paperwork the challenge. Regards, Clive ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another flight ticked off my to-do list
Date: May 13, 2010
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
We're flying into CHI on the 19th and hope to pick a plane up from Outgamie 20th, that is if there's one to rent (or somewhere else). Then do some flying around the lakes and into Canada, over Meigs to stick a finger up to the Mayor, end up back in Appleton to see the first two days at Airventure before we head back to Chicago and then onto Washington for a few days before returning home. Need to get OSH into my logbook so will proably fly over before we go 'on tour' or maybe the weekend before it starts so will let you know when. Shirley's coming which is why only two days at the show.... Don't want to spoil her! Figured a bit of American history to finish the trip off at Washington. Tail went on last night heading to hangar again in a moment. Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: 12 May 2010 18:21 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Another flight ticked off my to-do list Clive, Great write up and photos about your Hoover Dam, Lake Mead, and Vegas trip. And I sure do hope you can make Oshkosh - and bring your bride. I will be there again working in the Vintage area but will also spend some time at the Lightning booth. I normally get to OSH about ten days before the show starts and stay for the entire time. By the say, your write up and photos about your England flight to Cornwall, Boscastle, & Cereman will be in the June Newsletter. May got to be too big with all the Sun N Fun coverage. Send some more photos when you get your Esqual LS back in the air. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 5/10/2010 4:42:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clive.james(at)uk.bp.com writes: Great to hear all the news about SnF, pushed me to book up for Airventure so maybe see some of you there. Not really relevant to the list but can't resist sending out a few of the pics from last weeks trip with the family. The biggest hill in the UK would fit inside the canyon. Getting checked out over the Hoover dam was one checkout that I didn't mind doing. The guy was an ex tour pilot so briefed me on where all the choppers and fixed wing tour planes would be over the dam and the Canyon. Landed at Canyon West and did the ground tour at $75 for a 1/4 mile bus ride and a peer over the edge to see the Colorado at it's muddiest, the other option was $100 a passenger landing fee so we took the local indian tribes cheaper option..... My Esqual is fast becoming an LS as I should get the cowlings back (with red bottom, red pants and leg fairlings) this week, also one of the hangar queens has gone so I have space to put the wings back on. The rebuild will be the easy bit, the paperwork the challenge. Regards, Clive ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 15, 2010
Subject: Re: Another flight ticked off my to-do list
OK, great, Clive. I will already be at Oshkosh when you fly into Chicago on the 19th, so if you rent a plane and decide to fly into OSH before the show starts, I will be working in the Vintage area. Otherwise, I look forward to meeting you and Shirley on day one or two of the show at the Lightning booth. Keep up posted on the modifications and progress. Buz In a message dated 5/13/2010 4:32:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clive.james(at)uk.bp.com writes: --> Lightning-List message posted by: "James, Clive R" We're flying into CHI on the 19th and hope to pick a plane up from Outgamie 20th, that is if there's one to rent (or somewhere else). Then do some flying around the lakes and into Canada, over Meigs to stick a finger up to the Mayor, end up back in Appleton to see the first two days at Airventure before we head back to Chicago and then onto Washington for a few days before returning home. Need to get OSH into my logbook so will proably fly over before we go 'on tour' or maybe the weekend before it starts so will let you know when. Shirley's coming which is why only two days at the show.... Don't want to spoil her! Figured a bit of American history to finish the trip off at Washington. Tail went on last night heading to hangar again in a moment. Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich(at)aol.com Sent: 12 May 2010 18:21 Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Another flight ticked off my to-do list Clive, Great write up and photos about your Hoover Dam, Lake Mead, and Vegas trip. And I sure do hope you can make Oshkosh - and bring your bride. I will be there again working in the Vintage area but will also spend some time at the Lightning booth. I normally get to OSH about ten days before the show starts and stay for the entire time. By the say, your write up and photos about your England flight to Cornwall, Boscastle, & Cereman will be in the June Newsletter. May got to be too big with all the Sun N Fun coverage. Send some more photos when you get your Esqual LS back in the air. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 5/10/2010 4:42:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clive.james(at)uk.bp.com writes: Great to hear all the news about SnF, pushed me to book up for Airventure so maybe see some of you there. Not really relevant to the list but can't resist sending out a few of the pics from last weeks trip with the family. The biggest hill in the UK would fit inside the canyon. Getting checked out over the Hoover dam was one checkout that I didn't mind doing. The guy was an ex tour pilot so briefed me on where all the choppers and fixed wing tour planes would be over the dam and the Canyon. Landed at Canyon West and did the ground tour at $75 for a 1/4 mile bus ride and a peer over the edge to see the Colorado at it's muddiest, the other option was $100 a passenger landing fee so we took the local indian tribes cheaper option..... My Esqual is fast becoming an LS as I should get the cowlings back (with red bottom, red pants and leg fairlings) this week, also one of the hangar queens has gone so I have space to put the wings back on. The rebuild will be the easy bit, the paperwork the challenge. Regards, Clive ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 19, 2010
Subject: N787FL flies
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
Hey, now we can play with the cool kids! She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to update the post with some pics tomorrow morning. All the best, Max P.S. Fuuuuuuun! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 19, 2010
Subject: Re: N787FL flies
WAY to GO, Max Lynn In a message dated 5/19/2010 6:44:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, voroninmax(at)gmail.com writes: Hey, now we can play with the cool kids! She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to update the post with some pics tomorrow morning. All the best, Max P.S. Fuuuuuuun! (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 19, 2010
From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: N787FL flies
Congratulations Maximus. I await my kit and engine and hope to get mine airborne as soon after as I can. Good work. Send pics. Regards, Bernardo Melendez --- On Wed, 5/19/10, Maxim Voronin wrote: From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> Subject: Lightning-List: N787FL flies Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 5:43 PM Hey, now we can play with the cool kids! She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to update the post with some pics tomorrow morning. All the best, Max P.S. Fuuuuuuun! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: May 19, 2010
Subject: Re: N787FL flies
SUPER! Congratulations to Max and Olena for this great achievement. I am looking forward to seeing you both and 787FL at Oshkosh. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 5/19/2010 6:44:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, voroninmax(at)gmail.com writes: Hey, now we can play with the cool kids! She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to update the post with some pics tomorrow morning. All the best, Max P.S. Fuuuuuuun! (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2010
Subject: Re: N787FL flies
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: N787FL flies
Date: May 20, 2010
From: n5pb(at)aol.com
Max and Olena, Congratulations on your new "Jet"!!! Looking forward to the pics. Bear N82PB -----Original Message----- From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 6:43 pm Subject: Lightning-List: N787FL flies Hey, now we can play with the cool kids! She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to update the post with some pics tomorrow morning. All the best, Max P.S. Fuuuuuuun! ======================== =========== -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N787FL flies
Date: May 20, 2010
From: n5pb(at)AOL.COM
Great looking plane. Pics are very nice. The interior is very well done. Contratulations again. I Will have to come over and visit one Saturday.. Bear -----Original Message----- From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 5:27 pm Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N787FL flies Here are some pictures - Interior has been customized for a throttle quadrant, and the panel is twin Dynon Skyview 10" installation. ..last but not least - what's better to see taxiing after the first flight . All the best, Max n Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:22 PM, wrote: SUPER! Congratulations to Max and Olena for this great achievement. I am looking forward to seeing you both and 787FL at Oshkosh. Blue Skies, Buz In a message dated 5/19/2010 6:44:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, voroninmax(at)gmail.com writes: Hey, now we can play with the cool kids! She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to update the pos t with some pics tomorrow morning. All the best, Max P.S. Fuuuuuuun! ======================== =========== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ======================== =========== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ======================== ===== ===== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ======================== =========== ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2010
Subject: Re: N787FL flies
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
They are in the previous message, Bear. Thank you much! She's fun to fly :) On May 20, 2010 8:06 PM, wrote: Max and Olena, Congratulations on your new "Jet"!!! Looking forward to the pics. Bear N82PB -----Original Message----- From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 6:43 pm Subject: Lightning-List: N787FL flies Hey, now we can play with the cool kids! She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to ... * =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2010
Subject: Re: N787FL flies
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
Please do! Would be very nice to have you and other Florida guys over. Anytime, that is, and not excluisive to the Florida guys. Max On May 20, 2010 8:10 PM, wrote: Great looking plane. Pics are very nice. The interior is very well done. Contratulations again. I Will have to come over and visit one Saturday.. Bear -----Original Message----- From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 5:27 pm Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N787FL flies Here are some pictures - Interior has been customized for a throttle quadrant, and the panel is a t... writes: > > Hey, now we can play with the cool kids! > She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to update the post > with some pics tomorrow morning. > All the best, > > Max > > P.S. Fuuuuuuun! > > =================================== > t > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > =================================== > ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > ============================= > ===== > tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > ===================================== g-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ===================================== nk>http://forums.matronics.com ===================================== et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ===================================== > > * = * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N787FL flies
Date: May 21, 2010
From: "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne(at)lpwa.net>
Where you got your circuit breakers Max ........ Wayne Patterson LOUGHTON PATTERSON GROUP PO Box 398 South Perth 6951 08 94742126 From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Maxim Voronin Sent: Friday, 21 May 2010 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N787FL flies They are in the previous message, Bear. Thank you much! She's fun to fly :) On May 20, 2010 8:06 PM, wrote: Max and Olena, Congratulations on your new "Jet"!!! Looking forward to the pics. Bear N82PB -----Original Message----- From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 6:43 pm Subject: Lightning-List: N787FL flies Hey, now we can play with the cool kids! She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to ... t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution /font> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 20, 2010
Subject: Re: N787FL flies
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
Don't have any - that black box at the bottom of the radio stack is the Vertical Power solid state electric system - that's my switches, breakers, two-speed trim and wigiwag all in one. On May 20, 2010 8:24 PM, "Wayne Patterson" wrote: Where you got your circuit breakers Max =85=85.. Wayne Patterson LOUGHTON PATTERSON GROUP PO Box 398 South Perth 6951 08 94742126 *From:* owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Maxim Voronin *Sent:* Friday, 21 May 2010 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N787FL flies They are in the previous message, Bear. Thank you much! She's fun to fly :) > > On May 20, 2010 8:06 PM, wrote: > > Max and Olena, > > Congratulations on your n... -----Original Message----- > From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> > > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > > Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 6:43 pm > Subject: Lightning-List:... > > Hey, now we can play with the cool kids! > She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to ... > > > t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > */font>* > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List *http://forums.matronics.com* > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * = * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N787FL flies
Date: May 21, 2010
From: "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne(at)lpwa.net>
Great idea - I like it. Anything to keep the panel clear and simple. I'm slogging away in my garage in Perth Australia. We have 4 Lightning kits at our local club - in various stages of completion - and we try to stay open to ideas. Will research this one .............. Wayne Patterson LOUGHTON PATTERSON GROUP PO Box 398 South Perth 6951 08 94742126 From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Maxim Voronin Sent: Friday, 21 May 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: RE: Lightning-List: N787FL flies Don't have any - that black box at the bottom of the radio stack is the Vertical Power solid state electric system - that's my switches, breakers, two-speed trim and wigiwag all in one. On May 20, 2010 8:24 PM, "Wayne Patterson" wrote: Where you got your circuit breakers Max ........ Wayne Patterson LOUGHTON PATTERSON GROUP PO Box 398 South Perth 6951 08 94742126 From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Maxim Voronin Sent: Friday, 21 May 2010 8:10 AM To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N787FL flies They are in the previous message, Bear. Thank you much! She's fun to fly :) > > On May 20, 2010 8:06 PM, wrote: > > Max and Olena, > > Congratulations on your n... -----Original Message----- > From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> > > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > > Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 6:43 pm > Subject: Lightning-List:... > > Hey, now we can play with the cool kids! > She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to ... > > > > > > t" target=_blank> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List tp://forums.matronics.com > > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > /font> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 22, 2010
Subject: Re: N787FL flies
Max, Where are you based? Earl Ferguson FTY - Atlanta ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2010
Subject: Re: N787FL flies
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
Hi Earl, Southwest part of KDED. 917 Biscayne Blvd Ste 5, DeLand, FL 32724. 50 yards NW from the Tomcat. Phone number is 386 873 9995 On May 22, 2010 6:20 AM, wrote: Max, Where are you based? Earl Ferguson FTY - Atlanta * = * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: ATT. Max
Date: May 22, 2010
Max, could you send the pictures again, I lost them before I could show them to a freind. Tex ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2010
Subject: Re: ATT. Max
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
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Subject: Lightning....
From: "Ratherfly" <longmeadowfarm(at)AOL.COM>
Date: May 28, 2010
Is that the airplane that I saw when I visited the Jabiru people at KSYI, Shelbyville, TN? I went down to visit my friends in TN and they took me out to visit the Jabiru folk. Great operation. There was a very fast, very efficient airplane there that caught my eye... I *think* it was a Lightning. Not sure. Anyway, that's not why I'm here. What I would like to do is introduce you to a beautiful property that is for sale by owner. The friends I visited... their home/hangar/airstrip is for sale in Bell Buckle, TN. TN65 is the identifier on the Atlanta Sectional chart. If you, or anyone you know, are interested... please visit: http://tinyurl.com/ownyourdream There you will find many photos and all the pertinent details regarding this pilot's paradise. Blue Skies, Tina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299212#299212 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Wheel Balancing results within the week...
From: "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Date: May 28, 2010
Just got my universal wheel balancer for motorcycle wheels. Tapered cones allow it to work with any wheel up to 1.5" axle. http://www.marcparnes.com/Universal_Motorcycle_Wheel_Balancer.htm It's very sensitive. Thumb screws secure the cones, and if both thumb screws are on the same side, the balancer will slowly rotate until they're at the bottom. I have flights scheduled for Sunday and Monday I'll be doing Murph* for Memorial Day. But by the middle of the week I should have the wheels balanced and can report on how that affects the shimmy after landing. *Murph: Run a mile, do 100 pullups, 200 pushups, and 300 squats...then run another mile. Last year was just over 57 minutes, this time shooting for sub 50. Google "Memorial Day Murph" if curious. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299227#299227 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wheel Balancing results within the week...
Date: May 29, 2010
From: n5pb(at)AOL.COM
Bill, I've gone the "Dyna Beads" route. They are sold by Innovative balancing www.innovativebalancing.com They are very inexpensive (I mean $3 bucks or so for an ounce) and dynamically balance your tires whenever they are in motion. A friend put them into his tires (tubes) and his shimmy went away. On the lightning tires you would only use an ounce in the nose whe el and 1.5 - 2.0 ounces in the mains. I'm putting them in one tire at a time to see which tire, if any stops shi mmying. Installation was a breeze even with the 90 valve stem. Right now the nose tire has them in it, but I haven't flown taxied it yet. .honey do's more than Murphy. I'll be testtng it out tomorrow and will re port results. Then the right main; followed by left main Their web site does a good job explaining the theory and technical aspects of the ceramic beads. It also lists several good testimonials. If this works, Bear -----Original Message----- From: Bill Strahan <bill(at)gdsx.com> Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 10:46 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Wheel Balancing results within the week... Just got my universal wheel balancer for motorcycle wheels. Tapered cones allow t to work with any wheel up to 1.5" axle. http://www.marcparnes.com/Universal_Motorcycle_Wheel_Balancer.htm It's very sensitive. Thumb screws secure the cones, and if both thumb scr ews re on the same side, the balancer will slowly rotate until they're at the ottom. I have flights scheduled for Sunday and Monday I'll be doing Murph* for Me morial ay. But by the middle of the week I should have the wheels balanced and can eport on how that affects the shimmy after landing. *Murph: Run a mile, do 100 pullups, 200 pushups, and 300 squats...then ru n nother mile. Last year was just over 57 minutes, this time shooting for sub 0. Google "Memorial Day Murph" if curious. ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299227#299227 ======================== =========== -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 29, 2010
Subject: Re: Wheel Balancing results within the week...
Hey Bear: I wish you better luck than I had. I put the Dyna Beads in my RH tire because it is the one always bouncing. I put about 1 3/4 ounce in the tube, and my bouncing got significantly worse. I have now put a 10 ply Michelin tire on and it is significantly better, but it still tends to bounce at about 20 mph. Lynn In a message dated 5/29/2010 5:34:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb(at)aol.com writes: Bill, I've gone the "Dyna Beads" route. They are sold by Innovative balancing _www.innovativebalancing.com_ (http://www.innovativebalancing.com/) They are very inexpensive (I mean $3 bucks or so for an ounce) and dynamically balance your tires whenever they are in motion. A friend put them into his tires (tubes) and his shimmy went away. On the lightning tires you would only use an ounce in the nose wheel and 1.5 - 2.0 ounces in the mains. I'm putting them in one tire at a time to see which tire, if any stops shimmying. Installation was a breeze even with the 90 valve stem. Right now the nose tire has them in it, but I haven't flown taxied it yet..honey do's more than Murphy. I'll be testtng it out tomorrow and will report results. Then the right main; followed by left main Their web site does a good job explaining the theory and technical aspects of the ceramic beads. It also lists several good testimonials. If this works, Bear -----Original Message----- From: Bill Strahan <bill(at)gdsx.com> Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 10:46 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Wheel Balancing results within the week... (mailto:bill(at)gdsx.com) > Just got my universal wheel balancer for motorcycle wheels. Tapered cones allow it to work with any wheel up to 1.5" axle. _http://www.marcparnes.com/Universal_Motorcycle_Wheel_Balancer.htm_ (http://www.marcparnes.com/Universal_Motorcycle_Wheel_Balancer.htm) It's very sensitive. Thumb screws secure the cones, and if both thumb screws are on the same side, the balancer will slowly rotate until they're at the bottom. I have flights scheduled for Sunday and Monday I'll be doing Murph* for Memorial Day. But by the middle of the week I should have the wheels balanced and can report on how that affects the shimmy after landing. *Murph: Run a mile, do 100 pullups, 200 pushups, and 300 squats...then run another mile. Last year was just over 57 minutes, this time shooting for sub 50. Google "Memorial Day Murph" if curious. Read this topic online here: _http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299227#299227_ (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299227#299227) =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ==================================== tp://forums.matronics.com ==================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==================================== (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Wheel Balancing results within the week...
Date: May 29, 2010
From: n5pb(at)AOL.COM
Very interesting Lynn. I'll let you know how it works. Bear -----Original Message----- From: IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 5:47 pm Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Wheel Balancing results within the week... Hey Bear: I wish you better luck than I had. I put the Dyna Beads in my RH tire because it is the one always bouncing. I put about 1 3/4 ounce in th e tube, and my bouncing got significantly worse. I have now put a 10 ply Michelin tire on and it is significantly better, but it still tends to bo unce at about 20 mph. Lynn In a message dated 5/29/2010 5:34:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb@aol. com writes: Bill, I've gone the "Dyna Beads" route. They are sold by Innovative balancing www.innovativebalancing.com They are very inexpensive (I mean $3 bucks or so for an ounce) and dynamically balance your tires whenever they are in motion. A friend put them into his tires (tubes) and his shimmy went away. On the lightning tires you would only use an ounce in the nose whe el and 1.5 - 2.0 ounces in the mains. I'm putting them in one tire at a time to see which tire, if any stops shi mmying. Installation was a breeze even with the 90 valve stem. Right now the nose tire has them in it, but I haven't flown taxied it yet. .honey do's more than Murphy. I'll be testtng it out tomorrow and will re port results. Then the right main; followed by left main Their web site does a good job explaining the theory and technical aspects of the ceramic beads. It also lists several good testimonials. If this works, Bear -----Original Message----- From: Bill Strahan <bill(at)gdsx.com> Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 10:46 pm Subject: Lightning-List: Wheel Balancing results within the week... Just got my universal wheel balancer for motorcycle wheels. Tapered cones allow t to work with any wheel up to 1.5" axle. http://www.marcparnes.com/Universal_Motorcycle_Wheel_Balancer.htm It's very sensitive. Thumb screws secure the cones, and if both thumb scr ews re on the same side, the balancer will slowly rotate until they're at the ottom. I have flights scheduled for Sunday and Monday I'll be doing Murph* for Me morial ay. But by the middle of the week I should have the wheels balanced and can eport on how that affects the shimmy after landing. *Murph: Run a mile, do 100 pullups, 200 pushups, and 300 squats...then ru n nother mile. Last year was just over 57 minutes, this time shooting for sub 0. Google "Memorial Day Murph" if curious. ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299227#299227 ======================== =========== " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ======================== p://forums.matronics.com ======================== blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== ======================== =========== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ======================== s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ======================== p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== ======================== =========== -= - The Lightning-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 29, 2010
Subject: Nose Wheel
Gentlemen: I know that this has been discussed many times on our site. Would like to present the nose wheel shimmy, just in case someone has had additional experience. I fly a 2005 Esquil, that is Lightning cowl forward and all three gear legs. There is no nose wheel shimmy at take off, but often becomes rather severe on landing after I allow the weight off of the main gear onto the nose wheel. By this time she is going rather slow, about 35-40 mph. The shaking will stop at about 15-20 mph. And does not recur during taxi operations. What is interesting is that even when the plane is not moving, should I take the prop and put lateral forces i.e., right and left, there is a clanking noise as if the tire is rubbing against the wheel pant. I have checked out the nose wheel installation, changed tire pressures, balanced all tires, changed tire brands; however, the symptom remains unchanged. I am out of ideas. Have learned to live with the shimmy, but this seems to be a mechanical mystery. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Ray Gage 83TW Spruce Creek Florida ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: LSA type Round the World Progress
Date: May 30, 2010
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
http://www.azimut270.ch/en/position.html ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 31, 2010
Subject: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/30/10
In a message dated 5/31/2010 2:57:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning-list(at)matronics.com writes: Subject: Lightning-List: LSA type Round the World Progress From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> http://www.azimut270.ch/en/position.html California to Hawaii?? A 2000+ NM leg unless they had two or three carriers with 100LL waiting. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 31, 2010
Subject: Re: Nose Wheel
In a message dated 5/29/2010 9:52:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM writes: I know that this has been discussed many times on our site. Would like to present the nose wheel shimmy, just in case someone has had additional experience. I fly a 2005 Esquil, that is Lightning cowl forward and all three gear legs. There is no nose wheel shimmy at take off, but often becomes rather severe on landing after I allow the weight off of the main gear onto the nose wheel. By this time she is going rather slow, about 35-40 mph. The shaking will stop at about 15-20 mph. And does not recur during taxi operations. What is interesting is that even when the plane is not moving, should I take the prop and put lateral forces i.e., right and left, there is a clanking noise as if the tire is rubbing against the wheel pant. I have checked out the nose wheel installation, changed tire pressures, balanced all tires, changed tire brands; however, the symptom remains unchanged. I am out of ideas. Have learned to live with the shimmy, but this seems to be a mechanical mystery. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Ray Gage 83TW Spruce Creek Florida Ray, This is a common problem with aircraft that have free swiveling nose wheels and may have nothing to do with tire balance. Check the nylon block for tightness. If the joint is too loose the wheel shimmies. We don't have an adjustment, so the only solution would be to replace parts, i.e. the nylon blocks. On Grumman singles, which do have adjustable swivels, a force of 10 lbs to turn the wheel is standard. Less than that will produce shimmy. Since our Lightings and Esquals weight about half a Grumman, I'd look for less than 10 lbs. Good luck fixing it. Earl Ferguson Atlanta ________________________________________________________________________________
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com
Date: May 31, 2010
Subject: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/30/10
Hey Earl: How much extra fuel would you need to make it? If I put an extra 50 gal of fuel in my Lighting, at 4 gphr that gives me 32 hrs of flight time before flame out. Lynn In a message dated 5/31/2010 8:36:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguson(at)aol.com writes: In a message dated 5/31/2010 2:57:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lightning-list(at)matronics.com writes: Subject: Lightning-List: LSA type Round the World Progress From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> http://www.azimut270.ch/en/position.html California to Hawaii?? A 2000+ NM leg unless they had two or three carriers with 100LL waiting. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FamilyGage(at)aol.com
Date: May 31, 2010
Subject: Re: Nose Wheel
Earl, Thank you. Will check out the tension on the block, and see if it needs replacement. Ray Gage In a message dated 5/31/2010 8:42:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM writes: In a message dated 5/29/2010 9:52:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM writes: I know that this has been discussed many times on our site. Would like to present the nose wheel shimmy, just in case someone has had additional experience. I fly a 2005 Esquil, that is Lightning cowl forward and all three gear legs. There is no nose wheel shimmy at take off, but often becomes rather severe on landing after I allow the weight off of the main gear onto the nose wheel. By this time she is going rather slow, about 35-40 mph. The shaking will stop at about 15-20 mph. And does not recur during taxi operations. What is interesting is that even when the plane is not moving, should I take the prop and put lateral forces i.e., right and left, there is a clanking noise as if the tire is rubbing against the wheel pant. I have checked out the nose wheel installation, changed tire pressures, balanced all tires, changed tire brands; however, the symptom remains unchanged. I am out of ideas. Have learned to live with the shimmy, but this seems to be a mechanical mystery. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Ray Gage 83TW Spruce Creek Florida Ray, This is a common problem with aircraft that have free swiveling nose wheels and may have nothing to do with tire balance. Check the nylon block for tightness. If the joint is too loose the wheel shimmies. We don't have an adjustment, so the only solution would be to replace parts, i.e. the nylon blocks. On Grumman singles, which do have adjustable swivels, a force of 10 lbs to turn the wheel is standard. Less than that will produce shimmy. Since our Lightings and Esquals weight about half a Grumman, I'd look for less than 10 lbs. Good luck fixing it. Earl Ferguson Atlanta (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Nose Wheel
From: "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Date: May 31, 2010
Now this has me wondering if my shimmy is from the mains or the nose. I have a Grumman Traveller and I've experienced the nosewheel shimmy when I didn't have the tension high enough, as described previously. Any way to tell which it is, other than have someone observe the plane on landing and try to see where it's coming from? Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299484#299484 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2010
From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Nose Wheel
Ray, New guy here, have yet to receive my kits, but hope to contribute to this g roup. I remember seeing something on one of the newsletters about just that problem. Seems that one solution is to drill out the nylon bearing pieces to a larger diameter and insert brass oil lite type bushings sized for the nose wheel fork that the nose gear pivots on. Can't remember which issue I saw that on, but I did see it. My guess, if it's the nose wheel shimmying i s that there may be some play in those nylon blocks. My two cents; worth. Bernardo Melendez --- On Mon, 5/31/10, FamilyGage(at)aol.com wrote: From: FamilyGage(at)aol.com <FamilyGage(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Nose Wheel Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 3:31 PM =0A=0A =0A=0AEarl,=0AThank you.- Will check out the tension on the block, and see if it =0Aneeds replacement.=0ARay Gage=0A-=0A=0AIn a message dat ed 5/31/2010 8:42:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =0AEAFerguson(at)AOL.COM writ es:=0A=0A =0A In a message dated 5/29/2010 9:52:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =0A FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM writes:=0A =0A -=0A I know that this has been discussed many times on our site.- Would =0A like to present the nose wheel shimmy, just in case someone has had =0A additional expe rience.=0A I fly a 2005 Esquil, that is Lightning cowl forward and all t hree gear =0A legs.=0A There is no nose wheel shimmy at take off, but often becomes rather =0A severe on landing after I allow the weight off of the main gear onto the =0A nose wheel.-By this time she is going r ather slow, about 35-40 =0A mph.- The shaking will stop at about 15-20 mph.- And does not =0A recur during taxi operations.- What is inter esting is that even when =0A the plane is not moving, should I take the prop and put lateral forces i.e., =0A right and left, there is a clankin g noise as if the tire is rubbing against =0A the wheel pant.=0A I ha ve checked out the nose wheel installation, changed tire pressures, =0A balanced all tires, changed tire brands; however, the symptom remains =0A unchanged.=0A I am out of ideas.- Have learned to live with the shim my, but this =0A seems to be a mechanical mystery.- Any suggestions wo uld be greatly =0A appreciated.=0A Ray Gage=0A 83TW- Spruce Cree k Florida=0A =0A Ray,=0A -=0A This is a common problem with aircraft that have free swiveling nose =0A wheels and may have nothing to do with t ire balance. Check the nylon block for =0A tightness. If the joint is too loose the wheel shimmies. We don't have an =0A adjustment, so the only sol ution would be to replace parts, i.e. the nylon =0A blocks.=0A -=0A On Grumman singles, which do have adjustable swivels, a force of 10 lbs =0A to turn the wheel is standard. Less than that will produce shimmy. Since ou r =0A Lightings and Esquals weight about half a Grumman, I'd look for-le ss than =0A 10-lbs.=0A -=0A Good luck fixing it.=0A -=0A Earl Fe rguson=0A Atlanta t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Date: May 31, 2010
Subject: Nose wheel shimmy
If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy, there might be an easy fix by just tightening the bolts that hold the nylon blocks together around the nose gear leg. Sometimes, that is all it takes. If that does not work, probably then next step is to disassemble the unit so that you can sand a very small amount off the nylon blocks where they fit together. By doing this they will then be able clamp a little harder on the nose gear leg. To check the nose wheel for proper movement, have someone raise the nose wheel by pushing down on the tail. You should be able to move the nose wheel assembly by hand, but it should resist - not be too easy to move from side to side. If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy (I can tell it by feeling it in the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned above and see how easy it is to move by hand. Tighten it some, by the first method mentioned above, and then recheck to see if it is now harder to move. Then test fly to see if you have a fix. If not, then dissemble the nose wheel and sand some off the nylon blocks where they fit together as mentioned above. Hope this helps. Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: May 31, 2010
Subject: Re: Nose wheel shimmy
Reference my previous email on nose wheel shimmy. Scroll on down below the message for a photo of the nose wheel assembly. Buz In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM writes: If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy, there might be an easy fix by just tightening the bolts that hold the nylon blocks together around the nose gear leg. Sometimes, that is all it takes. If that does not work, probably then next step is to disassemble the unit so that you can sand a very small amount off the nylon blocks where they fit together. By doing this they will then be able clamp a little harder on the nose gear leg. To check the nose wheel for proper movement, have someone raise the nose wheel by pushing down on the tail. You should be able to move the nose wheel assembly by hand, but it should resist - not be too easy to move from side to side. If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy (I can tell it by feeling it in the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned above and see how easy it is to move by hand. Tighten it some, by the first method mentioned above, and then recheck to see if it is now harder to move. Then test fly to see if you have a fix. If not, then dissemble the nose wheel and sand some off the nylon blocks where they fit together as mentioned above. Hope this helps. Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lowell ridge" <landjridge(at)775.net>
Subject: Re: Nose wheel shimmy
Date: May 31, 2010
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From: FamilyGage(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 01, 2010
Subject: Re: Nose wheel shimmy
Buz: Thanks, I plan to use your suggestion today. My Best, Ray Gage In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: Reference my previous email on nose wheel shimmy. Scroll on down below the message for a photo of the nose wheel assembly. Buz In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM writes: If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy, there might be an easy fix by just tightening the bolts that hold the nylon blocks together around the nose gear leg. Sometimes, that is all it takes. If that does not work, probably then next step is to disassemble the unit so that you can sand a very small amount off the nylon blocks where they fit together. By doing this they will then be able clamp a little harder on the nose gear leg. To check the nose wheel for proper movement, have someone raise the nose wheel by pushing down on the tail. You should be able to move the nose wheel assembly by hand, but it should resist - not be too easy to move from side to side. If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy (I can tell it by feeling it in the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned above and see how easy it is to move by hand. Tighten it some, by the first method mentioned above, and then recheck to see if it is now harder to move. Then test fly to see if you have a fix. If not, then dissemble the nose wheel and sand some off the nylon blocks where they fit together as mentioned above. Hope this helps. Buz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mefford, Walt" <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com>
Date: Jun 01, 2010
Subject: Nose wheel shimmy
I had/have a similar problem. I initially tightened the bolts on the block and reduced the tire pressure to about 25lbs. The shimmy got significantly worse. After loosening the bolts and leaving the tire pressure unchanged, the shimming was much less but still noticeable. However, I did not like the idea of having these bolts so loose. I then placed shims (barrowed an empty beer can from my hanger neighbor) between the blocks until I was able to move the wheel with about 10lbs of force and fully tighten the bolts. I hope to give this a try this weekend. Walt M. N881WP From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FamilyGage(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy Buz: Thanks, I plan to use your suggestion today. My Best, Ray Gage In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: Reference my previous email on nose wheel shimmy. Scroll on down below the message for a photo of the nose wheel assembly. Buz In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM writes: If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy, there might be an easy fix by just tightening the bolts that hold the nylon blocks together around the nose gear leg. Sometimes, that is all it takes. If that does not work, probably then next step is to disassemble the unit so that you can sand a very small amount off the nylon blocks where they fit together. By doing this they will then be able clamp a little harder on the nose gear leg. To check the nose wheel for proper movement, have someone raise the nose wheel by pushing down on the tail. You should be able to move the nose wheel assembly by hand, but it should resist - not be too easy to move from side to side. If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy (I can tell it by feeling it in the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned above and see how easy it is to move by hand. Tighten it some, by the first method mentioned above, and then recheck to see if it is now harder to move. Then test fly to see if you have a fix. If not, then dissemble the nose wheel and sand some off the nylon blocks where they fit together as mentioned above. Hope this helps. Buz [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CB0177.3D778490] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2010
From: "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Nose wheel shimmy
Is it possible that the entire nose wheel fork is vibrating or twisting, no t just the wheel fork, causing wheel shimmy. Hope I'm not stirring the pot too hard. My 2 cents worth. Bernardo n45bm --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Mefford, Walt wrote: From: Mefford, Walt <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 12:55 PM =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI had/have a similar problem .- I initially tightened the=0Abolts on the block and reduced the tire pr essure to about 25lbs.- The=0Ashimmy got significantly worse.- After lo osening the bolts and leaving the=0Atire pressure unchanged, the shimming w as much less but still noticeable.-=0AHowever, I did not like the idea of having these bolts so loose.- I then placed=0Ashims (barrowed an empty b eer can from my hanger neighbor) between the blocks=0Auntil I was able to m ove the wheel with about 10lbs of force and fully tighten=0Athe bolts.- I hope to give this a try this weekend. =0A=0A - =0A=0AWalt M. =0A=0AN881W P =0A=0A - =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-lightning-list-server@matronic s.com=0A[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fam ilyGage(at)aol.com =0ASent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:24 AM =0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: Re: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A - =0A=0A=0A=0ABuz: =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThanks, I plan to use your suggestion to day. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMy Best, =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARay Gage =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated 5/31/2010 11:49:31 P.M. E astern Daylight Time,=0AN1BZRich(at)aol.com writes: =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARe ference my previous email on nose wheel shimmy.- Scroll on=0Adown below t he message for a photo of the nose wheel assembly. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABuz =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated 5/31/2010 11:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=0AN1BZRich(at)AOL.COM writes: =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----If you suspect a nose whee l shimmy, there=0Amight be an easy fix by just tightening the bolts that ho ld the nylon blocks=0Atogether around the nose gear leg.- Sometimes, that is all it takes.-=0A-If that does not work, probably then next step is to disassemble the unit=0Aso that you can sand a very small amount off the nylon blocks where they fit=0Atogether.- By doing this they will then be able clamp a little harder on=0Athe nose gear leg.-- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A----To-check the nose wheel for proper=0Amovement, have someon e raise the nose wheel by pushing down on the tail.-=0AYou should be able to move the nose wheel assembly by hand, but it should=0Aresist - not be t oo easy to move from side to side.- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----If y ou suspect a nose wheel shimmy=0A(I can tell it by feeling it in the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned=0Aabove and see how easy it is to mov e by hand.- Tighten it some, by the first=0Amethod mentioned above, and t hen recheck to-see-if it is now harder=0Ato move.- Then test fly to s ee if you have a fix.- If not, then=0Adissemble the nose wheel and sand s ome off the nylon blocks where they fit=0Atogether as mentioned above.- - =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHope this helps. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABuz---- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --------------------=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------=0AThis e -mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole us e of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail o r any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies.=0A-=0AThank you for your cooperation.=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM
Date: Jun 01, 2010
Subject: Re: Nose wheel shimmy
Thanks Walt: Will attempt the fix from Buz tomorrow and see what his ideas may improve the situation. I will post should I have any luck. My Best, Ray Gage In a message dated 6/1/2010 1:57:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, walt.mefford(at)garmin.com writes: I had/have a similar problem. I initially tightened the bolts on the block and reduced the tire pressure to about 25lbs. The shimmy got significantly worse. After loosening the bolts and leaving the tire pressure unchanged, the shimming was much less but still noticeable. However, I did not like the idea of having these bolts so loose. I then placed shims (barrowed an empty beer can from my hanger neighbor) between the blocks until I was able to move the wheel with about 10lbs of force and fully tighten the bolts. I hope to give this a try this weekend. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mefford, Walt" <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com>
Date: Jun 01, 2010
Subject: Nose wheel shimmy
I agree. This a very complex problem. Tire type, tire pressure, flexing o f the fuselage, length of the landing gear and many other factors can contr ibute such as the runway surface and the friction between the tire. The fa ctors can be different even for the same make and model of aircraft and one solution may not work for all. A difficult problem even today with commer cial aircraft. Walt M. N881WP From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:19 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy Is it possible that the entire nose wheel fork is vibrating or twisting, no t just the wheel fork, causing wheel shimmy. Hope I'm not stirring the pot too hard. My 2 cents worth. Bernardo n45bm --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Mefford, Walt wrote: From: Mefford, Walt <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 12:55 PM I had/have a similar problem. I initially tightened the bolts on the block and reduced the tire pressure to about 25lbs. The shimmy got significantl y worse. After loosening the bolts and leaving the tire pressure unchanged , the shimming was much less but still noticeable. However, I did not like the idea of having these bolts so loose. I then placed shims (barrowed an empty beer can from my hanger neighbor) between the blocks until I was abl e to move the wheel with about 10lbs of force and fully tighten the bolts. I hope to give this a try this weekend. Walt M. N881WP From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FamilyGage(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy Buz: Thanks, I plan to use your suggestion today. My Best, Ray Gage In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@ aol.com writes: Reference my previous email on nose wheel shimmy. Scroll on down below the message for a photo of the nose wheel assembly. Buz In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@ AOL.COM writes: If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy, there might be an easy fix by just tightening the bolts that hold the nylon blocks together around the nose ge ar leg. Sometimes, that is all it takes. If that does not work, probably then next step is to disassemble the unit so that you can sand a very smal l amount off the nylon blocks where they fit together. By doing this they will then be able clamp a little harder on the nose gear leg. To check the nose wheel for proper movement, have someone raise the nos e wheel by pushing down on the tail. You should be able to move the nose w heel assembly by hand, but it should resist - not be too easy to move from side to side. If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy (I can tell it by feeling it in the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned above and see how easy it is t o move by hand. Tighten it some, by the first method mentioned above, and then recheck to see if it is now harder to move. Then test fly to see if y ou have a fix. If not, then dissemble the nose wheel and sand some off the nylon blocks where they fit together as mentioned above. Hope this helps. Buz [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CB018F.84E9B150] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the s ole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, p lease be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e- mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in e rror, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 01, 2010
Subject: Lightning Newsletter for June 2010
All, The June 2010 issue of the Lightning Newsletter is now posted on at least two of the three websites that carry our newsletters. Both Ryan of Green Landings and Jim Langley have got the newest issue posted. I have not heard anything from the factory guys whether it is posted on their site or not. It is always my goal to get each monthly newsletter out no latter than the first day of each month, so that is why I am announcing this issue even though it may not yet be up on the Arion's Lightning web site - I am sure it soon will be. _http://www.greenlandings.com/_ (http://www.greenlandings.com/) _http://www.jimslightning.com/_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/) _http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/) Featured in this issue is Jim Johannes' Lightning of the Month as well as coverage of the recent Virginia Regional EAA Festival of Flight fly-in with many photos and comments. We also have another episode of Clive and Shirley's travels around the UK. Once again you will enjoy Clive's writing style and his photos. Also look for the interesting articles from Lightning builders and flyers, some other reader feedback, tech tips, and as a follow up flight safety article on transition training we have included the Lightning LS-1 transition syllabus. Once again I am requesting feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you for content and on your comments for improvement, so that is why I am always pleading for your feedback and comments. Maybe I should try a new angle when requesting feedback this month. Therefore, if you don't send a comment on the newsletter, it reflects on your sexual ability or lack thereof. Think that will work????? Hope so. Blue Skies and happy flying, Buz Rich ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning Gear shimmy
Date: Jun 01, 2010
This subject has been brought up several times here on the list. Yes I would agree that the Lightning main gear design will shimmy if the proper conditions occur, however this is not just the Lightning but pretty much any aircraft with a round rod gear leg. Yes we have had demonstrators do it. Our solution that worked best was, proper tire inflation, and gear toe. This did minimize the shimmy if not completely eliminating it all together. Those that still had it found better tires worked, because of that we switched to a 6ply aero-classic tire with the name "LSA" on it. These are much improved over the 4ply supplied earlier. Recently we have replaced a couple of sets here on the standard gear and found much better results. It is possible that the nose wheel will shimmy but unlikely. The pivot point for the swivel is swept forward not on a vertical axis. This is to put forward and downward pressure on the fork assembly and not allow it to be in free caster trail position. This is the case on aircraft like the Cirrus, RV, ect, those aircraft do have the swivel axis vertical to the direction of travel, and the fork can go back and forth easily hence the need for tension to keep it straight after takeoff and keep it there for landing. If you notice on the lightning if you move it left or right the nose will lower slightly this can not happen with the aircraft moving forward during landing or takeoff. This will keep the fork from shimmying. True the block should be tensioned so no slop is evident, as the blocks can wear if there is movement causing other issues. This was the reason for the move to the oilite bushing in the nylon blocks. You can not put tension on the oilite bushing but they will keep the pivot point true and free from wear. Nick Otterback ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Lightning Gear shimmy-Gear Toe
Date: Jun 01, 2010
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Yet to get my Esqual on Lighting legs moving yet but I do need to set the Toe. I've left it to drill the final bolt hole until I have the plane loaded with wings and fuel and people. So my question is, what is the recommended Toe? I put the Esqual gear straight, not in or out, parallel and it didn't shimmy. I tried a degree toe in but after I had drilled it and messed about with the plane it checked out straight. I was minded to do the same again. What say Ye Lightning gear users? Regards, Clive (Wings on Thursday I hope) Esqual in the UK -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: 01 June 2010 22:41 Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear shimmy This subject has been brought up several times here on the list. Yes I would agree that the Lightning main gear design will shimmy if the proper conditions occur, however this is not just the Lightning but pretty much any aircraft with a round rod gear leg. Yes we have had demonstrators do it. Our solution that worked best was, proper tire inflation, and gear toe. This did minimize the shimmy if not completely eliminating it all together. Those that still had it found better tires worked, because of that we switched to a 6ply aero-classic tire with the name "LSA" on it. These are much improved over the 4ply supplied earlier. Recently we have replaced a couple of sets here on the standard gear and found much better results. It is possible that the nose wheel will shimmy but unlikely. The pivot point for the swivel is swept forward not on a vertical axis. This is to put forward and downward pressure on the fork assembly and not allow it to be in free caster trail position. This is the case on aircraft like the Cirrus, RV, ect, those aircraft do have the swivel axis vertical to the direction of travel, and the fork can go back and forth easily hence the need for tension to keep it straight after takeoff and keep it there for landing. If you notice on the lightning if you move it left or right the nose will lower slightly this can not happen with the aircraft moving forward during landing or takeoff. This will keep the fork from shimmying. True the block should be tensioned so no slop is evident, as the blocks can wear if there is movement causing other issues. This was the reason for the move to the oilite bushing in the nylon blocks. You can not put tension on the oilite bushing but they will keep the pivot point true and free from wear. Nick Otterback ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2010
Subject: Re: Lightning Newsletter for June 2010
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
Great Newsletter, Buz! On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:21 PM, wrote: > All, > The June 2010 issue of the Lightning Newsletter is now posted on at > leasttwo ofthe threewebsites that carry our newsletters.Both Ryan of > Green Landings and Jim Langley have got the newest issue posted. I have not > heard anythingfrom the factory guys whether it is posted on their site or > not. It is always my goal to get each monthly newsletter out no latter than > the first day of each month, so that is why I am announcing this issue even > though it may not yet be up on the Arion's Lightning web site - I am sure it > soon will be. > > http://www.greenlandings.com/ > > http://www.jimslightning.com/ > > http://www.flylightning.net/ > > Featured in this issue is Jim Johannes' Lightning of the Month as well as > coverage of the recent Virginia Regional EAA Festival of Flight fly-in with > many photos and comments. We also have another episode of Clive and > Shirley's travels around the UK. Once again you will enjoy Clive's writing > style and his photos. > > Also look for the interesting articles from Lightning builders and flyers, > someother reader feedback,tech tips, and as a follow up flight safety > article on transition training we have included the Lightning LS-1 > transition syllabus. > > Once again I am requesting feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you > for content and on your comments for improvement, so that is why I am always > pleading for your feedback and comments. Maybe I should try a new angle > when requesting feedback this month. Therefore,if you don't send a comment > on the newsletter, it reflects on your sexual ability or lack thereof. > Think that will work????? Hope so. > Blue Skies and happy flying, > Buz Rich > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lightning Gear shimmy
From: "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Date: Jun 01, 2010
So it sounds safe to assume that any shimmy is coming from the main gear. If that is the case, do you think it is an imbalance in the tires matching the natural frequency of the main gear? If so, then balancing the tires should prevent it. Have you noticed it manifesting differently, if at all, on the new style gear? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299655#299655 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
Subject: Re: Lightning Gear shimmy-Gear Toe
Date: Jun 01, 2010
have someone video the shimmy, you might find it not to be in the nose wheel, maybe it is some where else, like in the mains. My shimmy is now gone, you have my specs as to what I did and it worked, the nose wheel needs to be "tight", but I have not adjusted mine in 4 years. Remember -I made the nose wheel suspension that did not help, you need video to watch the mains. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear shimmy-Gear Toe > > > Yet to get my Esqual on Lighting legs moving yet but I do need to set > the Toe. I've left it to drill the final bolt hole until I have the > plane loaded with wings and fuel and people. > > So my question is, what is the recommended Toe? > > I put the Esqual gear straight, not in or out, parallel and it didn't > shimmy. > I tried a degree toe in but after I had drilled it and messed about with > the plane it checked out straight. > I was minded to do the same again. > > What say Ye Lightning gear users? > > Regards, Clive (Wings on Thursday I hope) > Esqual in the UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > flylightning > Sent: 01 June 2010 22:41 > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear shimmy > > This subject has been brought up several times here on the list. Yes I > would agree that the Lightning main gear design will shimmy if the > proper conditions occur, however this is not just the Lightning but > pretty much any aircraft with a round rod gear leg. Yes we have had > demonstrators do it. Our solution that worked best was, proper tire > inflation, and gear toe. This did minimize the shimmy if not completely > eliminating it all together. Those that still had it found better tires > worked, because of that we switched to a 6ply aero-classic tire with the > name "LSA" on it. These are much improved over the 4ply supplied > earlier. Recently we have replaced a couple of sets here on the standard > gear and found much better results. > > It is possible that the nose wheel will shimmy but unlikely. The pivot > point for the swivel is swept forward not on a vertical axis. This is to > put forward and downward pressure on the fork assembly and not allow it > to be in free caster trail position. This is the case on aircraft like > the Cirrus, RV, ect, those aircraft do have the swivel axis vertical to > the direction of travel, and the fork can go back and forth easily hence > the need for tension to keep it straight after takeoff and keep it there > for landing. If you notice on the lightning if you move it left or right > the nose will lower slightly this can not happen with the aircraft > moving forward during landing or takeoff. This will keep the fork from > shimmying. True the block should be tensioned so no slop is evident, as > the blocks can wear if there is movement causing other issues. This was > the reason for the move to the oilite bushing in the nylon blocks. You > can not put tension on the oilite bushing but they will keep the pivot > point true and free from wear. > > > Nick Otterback > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Lightning Gear shimmy
From: "selwyn" <selwyn(at)ellisworks.com.au>
Date: Jun 02, 2010
[quote="info(at)flylightning.net"] This was the reason for the move to the oilite bushing in the nylon blocks. You can not put tension on the oilite bushing but they will keep the pivot point true and free from wear. Nick Otterback > [b] Um, which move to oilite bushings was that? I noticed the bushes in Buz's photos and wondered where they came from. Its not in the build manual, no service bulletins, can't find it anywhere on the Arion site, can't remember reading it in the newsletter. What's the status of the change, is it part of ongoing development or a recommended retrofit? -------- Cheers, Selwyn Kit 66 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299712#299712


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