Lightning-Archive.digest.vol-ck
March 10, 2010 - June 02, 2010
Nick
_____
From: | owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com |
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:36 AM
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
Buz
We all had to make many changes to our Esquals, this is one item I missed.
If mine is stainless I will be doing some rework or removal.
Thanks for reminding me, when I installed Matco brakes, I had the motorcycle
brakes left over--Nick still owes me a beer!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
Dave,
I think my Esqual kit was probably the last one that came through with
the welded up stainless steel parts (central beam assembly, brake/rudder
pedal assembly). I took one look at those and knew immediately they were no
way strong enough for aircraft use - I threw them away. The welding work
was not aircraft quality and I thought that stainless steel would not be
strong enough for the assemblies they were being used for - too easy to bend
and too brittle.
Luckily, Pete and Nick has a Lightning central beam assembly "close by"
and it was a "close enough" fit, so I talked them out of it (just like I
later talked them out of the very first cowling that was supposed to go on
the prototype Lightning. With some extra fiberglass work on the bottom and
trimming the aft end of top and bottom, I got it to fit the Esqual).
They also had their welding shop in Wisconsin weld me up a set of
brake/rudder pedals so that solved those problems for me. As you have
probably heard, more than several Esquals have had brake/rudder pedal
failures or problems in the past. I have also heard of several with cracks
in the original stainless steel central beam assembly - like the photos you
sent. There were many other changes I made to my Esqual during its build
that I thought would either make the airplane stronger/safer or that would
add to the performance. That is why I started calling it an Esqual LS -
which stands for Lightning Stuff.
I certainly hope the new Esqual factory has at least made the central
beam and brake/rudder pedal assembly changes to 4130 steel tubing. If not,
we may continue to see problems in the Esqual fleet in the future.
In a message dated 3/9/2010 2:44:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
Buz
I guess my photos did not come through, at the www.esqual.se
<http://www.esqual.se/> site go to alerts, they show an alert that one
should be watching regarding the gear support, I like the idea of the plate
they added
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave <mailto:corky(at)hbci.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:21 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
Buz
thought this might be of interest to you, you can see it at www.esqual.se
<http://www.esqual.se/> I'll be checking mine
Dave
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s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
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From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
I think both venues are appropriate...Will add to the list!
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
Nick / Dave,
Can I get in on that beer give away / rebate program? I suggest Sun N
Fun or Oshkosh for a location.
buz
In a message dated 3/10/2010 10:04:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
info(at)flylightning.net writes:
Name the time and place and I will get you a couple!
Nick
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
Dave,
Name the time and place and I will get you a couple!
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
Buz
We all had to make many changes to our Esquals, this is one item I missed.
If mine is stainless I will be doing some rework or removal.
Thanks for reminding me, when I installed Matco brakes, I had the motorcycle
brakes left over--Nick still owes me a beer!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
Dave,
I think my Esqual kit was probably the last one that came through with
the welded up stainless steel parts (central beam assembly, brake/rudder
pedal assembly). I took one look at those and knew immediately they were no
way strong enough for aircraft use - I threw them away. The welding work
was not aircraft quality and I thought that stainless steel would not be
strong enough for the assemblies they were being used for - too easy to bend
and too brittle.
Luckily, Pete and Nick has a Lightning central beam assembly "close by"
and it was a "close enough" fit, so I talked them out of it (just like I
later talked them out of the very first cowling that was supposed to go on
the prototype Lightning. With some extra fiberglass work on the bottom and
trimming the aft end of top and bottom, I got it to fit the Esqual).
They also had their welding shop in Wisconsin weld me up a set of
brake/rudder pedals so that solved those problems for me. As you have
probably heard, more than several Esquals have had brake/rudder pedal
failures or problems in the past. I have also heard of several with cracks
in the original stainless steel central beam assembly - like the photos you
sent. There were many other changes I made to my Esqual during its build
that I thought would either make the airplane stronger/safer or that would
add to the performance. That is why I started calling it an Esqual LS -
which stands for Lightning Stuff.
I certainly hope the new Esqual factory has at least made the central
beam and brake/rudder pedal assembly changes to 4130 steel tubing. If not,
we may continue to see problems in the Esqual fleet in the future.
In a message dated 3/9/2010 2:44:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
Buz
I guess my photos did not come through, at the www.esqual.se
<http://www.esqual.se/> site go to alerts, they show an alert that one
should be watching regarding the gear support, I like the idea of the plate
they added
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave <mailto:corky(at)hbci.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:21 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
Buz
thought this might be of interest to you, you can see it at www.esqual.se
<http://www.esqual.se/> I'll be checking mine
Dave
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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From: | "Scott Gallagher" <scott.gallagher(at)burkeprimarycare.com> |
Subject: | Unfinished Lightning kit wanted |
Does anyone have an unfinished lightning kit available for sale? Interested
in a project this summer.
Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
Subject: | Re: Unfinished Lightning kit wanted |
I have an Esqual and that is kinda like a project
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Gallagher
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:51 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Unfinished Lightning kit wanted
Does anyone have an unfinished lightning kit available for sale?
Interested in a project this summer.
Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Greg Hobbs" <hobbs28(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Unfinished Lightning kit wanted |
Scott, I just read your E-mail. There is .a kit for sale here in
Tucson, AZ. area.It is mostly complete. The owner is William Applegate
phone number (520) 296-1502. Address if 8230 E Oreida Pl. Tucson, Az.
85715. Don't forget we also have kits for sale. I hope this helps.
Crystal Hobbs Western Lightning dealer and build center. For Further
information please call Greg Hobbs (520) 405-.6868Contact----- Original
Message -----
From: Scott Gallagher
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:51 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Unfinished Lightning kit wanted
Does anyone have an unfinished lightning kit available for sale?
Interested in a project this summer.
Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
From: | "selwyn" <selwyn(at)ellisworks.com.au> |
I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a particularly
silly move to me.
On the other hand, I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a particularly trying
life including hitting the ground hard enough to bend the main gear so as
to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along with other significant damage).
The centre section on this one is steel tube and it survived intact. The design
appears the same as the Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves
of strength from our machines.
--------
Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Lightning Tow Bar |
From: | "laflyins" <rivierja(at)cox.net> |
Does anyone know where we can buy a tow bar that will work on a Lightning or can
share something that they designed and built that works well?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290348#290348
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the
production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor
quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't
pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the parts
(or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in England both
had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be good penetration
and coverage at all the welds (#39+40).
The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. The
replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy wall and
seems very solid.
Regards, Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
-->
I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a
particularly silly move to me.
On the other hand, I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a
particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to
bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along
with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is steel
tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the
Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from our
machines.
--------
Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Lightning Tow Bar |
I purchased one that was listed on the RV web site catolog. Works real nice.
Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: "laflyins" <rivierja(at)cox.net>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:25 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Tow Bar
>
> Does anyone know where we can buy a tow bar that will work on a Lightning
> or can share something that they designed and built that works well?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290348#290348
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Lightning Tow Bar |
In a message dated 3/15/2010 8:26:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rivierja(at)cox.net writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "laflyins"
Does anyone know where we can buy a tow bar that will work on a Lightning
or can share something that they designed and built that works well?
One of the past Lightning newsletters had a short description and photos of
a tow bar for the Lightning. It was developed by the guys at Lightning
North Central in Wisconsin and several of the Lightnings built there have
used that modification. They used a commercially available tow bar that
attaches to two bolts added to the nose wheel fork.
Blue Skies,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
Well glad to hear you got better parts than we did. Of course some of the
last kits actually came from Belgium so that may have something to do with
it. But I can tell you that the boxes we got were not welded from 4130 and
the tube thickness was very thin.
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive
R
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the
production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor
quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't
pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the parts
(or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in England both
had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be good penetration
and coverage at all the welds (#39+40).
The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. The
replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy wall and
seems very solid.
Regards, Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
-->
I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a
particularly silly move to me.
On the other hand, I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a
particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to
bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along
with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is steel
tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the
Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from our
machines.
--------
Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Lightning Tow Bar |
Hey James: I purchased a RVa Tow Pin Kit from Bogert Aviation
(_www.bogert-av.com/bogi-bars.php_ (http://www.bogert-av.com/bogi-bars.php) ) for
$15.00 and put it on the nose wheel support. I had to drill holes for the tow
bar to go in to the pins, but it works fine.
Lynn Nelsen
In a message dated 3/15/2010 8:26:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rivierja(at)cox.net writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "laflyins"
Does anyone know where we can buy a tow bar that will work on a Lightning
or can share something that they designed and built that works well?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290348#290348
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
Well glad to hear you got better parts than we did. Of course some of the
last kits actually came from Belgium so that may have something to do with
it. But I can tell you that the boxes we got were not welded from 4130 and
the tube thickness was very thin.
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive
R
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the
production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor
quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't
pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the parts
(or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in England both
had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be good penetration
and coverage at all the welds (#39+40).
The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. The
replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy wall and
seems very solid.
Regards, Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
-->
I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a
particularly silly move to me.
On the other hand, I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a
particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to
bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along
with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is steel
tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the
Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from our
machines.
--------
Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net> |
I forgot to mention its the one for the RV series. $89.00
Tex
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net> |
Look at "skygeek.com" Bogert towbar. Its 89.00 and works well. Tex
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
Guys
Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals, NO.
Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I guess
yes.
This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it out for the
Lightning group, two different airplanes.
Dave Mcc
----- Original Message -----
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
>
> I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the
> production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor
> quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't
> pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the parts
> (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in England both
> had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be good penetration
> and coverage at all the welds (#39+40).
> The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. The
> replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy wall and
> seems very solid.
> Regards, Clive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
> Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
> -->
>
> I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a
> particularly silly move to me.
>
> On the other hand, I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a
> particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to
> bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along
> with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is steel
> tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the
> Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from our
> machines.
>
> --------
> Cheers, Selwyn
> Kit 66
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
Dave there are lots of similarities and there is no Esqual group, Esqual
owners are all on here.
The guys at Arion know the Esqual inside out and have great knowledge
for all Esqual owners.
Several improvements in my aircraft have been through information from
the guys at Arion.
The changes they incorporated into the Lightning were based on
shortcomings of the Esqual.
Parallels will always exists between the two aircraft because of many
things.
The fact that the weak point on the central beam in one Esqual suggests
that that could be the weak point in the design (there is always one)
and therefore would be a good place to check the lightning in the event
of a heavy landing or many landing and high hours, regardless of what
it's made of or how it's welded.
Where you put it is just right as far as I'm concerned.
Thanks, Regards, Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: 15 March 2010 23:34
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
Guys
Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals,
NO.
Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I
guess yes.
This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it out for
the Lightning group, two different airplanes.
Dave Mcc
----- Original Message -----
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
>
> I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the
> production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor
> quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't
> pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the
> parts (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in
> England both had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be
> good penetration and coverage at all the welds (#39+40).
> The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate.
> The replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy
> wall and seems very solid.
> Regards, Clive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
> Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
> -->
>
> I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a
> particularly silly move to me.
>
> On the other hand, I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a
> particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to
> bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along
> with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is
> steel tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the
> Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from
> our machines.
>
> --------
> Cheers, Selwyn
> Kit 66
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
Guys
Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals,
NO.
Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I guess
yes.
This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it out for
the
Lightning group, two different airplanes.
Dave Mcc
We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had
broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The small
tubes had broken or cracked, the sockets were lose and floppy. I believe it
was the stainless steel box. Not a good design.
Yes, it could have been bad landings, but the gear did not bend. From a
design perspective, I think it is important that the gear bend and deform
long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not happen that way
in the Esqual.
FWIW
Doug Koenigsberg
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
'Did not happen that way in the Esqual'
I ran mine off the runway last year and the gear legs + engine mount
bent, nothing else is damaged, as I said though not sure on the heritage
of the parts.
Certainly not stainless, you can see that, + like the engine mount a
real bitch to drill.
I will give it another inspection but the dimensional check showed no
deformation.
Thanks for the extra feedback Doug, Regards Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Kayberg(at)aol.com
Sent: 16 March 2010 22:57
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
Guys
Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have
Esquals, NO.
Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad
landings? I guess
yes.
This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it
out for the
Lightning group, two different airplanes.
Dave Mcc
We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had
broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The
small tubes had broken or cracked, the sockets were lose and floppy. I
believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design.
Yes, it could have been bad landings, but the gear did not bend. From
a design perspective, I think it is important that the gear bend and
deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not
happen that way in the Esqual.
FWIW
Doug Koenigsberg
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
Mine also is not stainless, I think I will plate mine to strengthen it some.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:31 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
>
>
> 'Did not happen that way in the Esqual'
> I ran mine off the runway last year and the gear legs + engine mount
> bent, nothing else is damaged, as I said though not sure on the heritage
> of the parts.
> Certainly not stainless, you can see that, + like the engine mount a
> real bitch to drill.
> I will give it another inspection but the dimensional check showed no
> deformation.
>
> Thanks for the extra feedback Doug, Regards Clive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Kayberg(at)aol.com
> Sent: 16 March 2010 22:57
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> corky(at)hbci.com writes:
>
>
> Guys
> Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have
> Esquals, NO.
> Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad
> landings? I guess
> yes.
> This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it
> out for the
> Lightning group, two different airplanes.
> Dave Mcc
>
>
> We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had
> broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The
> small tubes had broken or cracked, the sockets were lose and floppy. I
> believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design.
>
> Yes, it could have been bad landings, but the gear did not bend. From
> a design perspective, I think it is important that the gear bend and
> deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not
> happen that way in the Esqual.
>
> FWIW
>
> Doug Koenigsberg
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
Doug
I usually get into trouble when I start thinking, but
it make me wonder, it this caused from landings or from shimmy
Dave McCorquodale
----- Original Message -----
From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
Guys
Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have
Esquals, NO.
Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I
guess
yes.
This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual, sorry I put it out
for the
Lightning group, two different airplanes.
Dave Mcc
We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had
broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The
small tubes had broken or cracked, the sockets were lose and floppy. I
believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design.
Yes, it could have been bad landings, but the gear did not bend.
>From a design perspective, I think it is important that the gear bend
and deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not
happen that way in the Esqual.
FWIW
Doug Koenigsberg
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Jay Schmitt <n1220j(at)msn.com> |
Subject: | RE: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/10 |
Hi=2C This is Jay Schmitt in Tijeras=2C New Mexico. I own Esqual N117D
A. My seat is out right now and my center section is beautiful. This is a
2004 completion. I haven't had any trouble with my rudder pedals either.
I just put on the 6 ply tires=2C and new brakes. I'll report on my gear s
himmy soon. Good luck and clear skies to all. I hope to fly over to see G
reg Hobbs in the next month or two. I love his canopy lock=3B I plan to c
opy it..................Jay
> Date: Tue=2C 16 Mar 2010 23:56:48 -0700
> From: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> To: lightning-list-digest(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/10
>
> *
>
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> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
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>
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> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Dave)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
>
> Guys
> Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals=2C
NO.
> Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I gues
s
> yes.
> This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it out for
the
> Lightning group=2C two different airplanes.
> Dave Mcc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
> Sent: Monday=2C March 15=2C 2010 9:11 AM
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
>
> >
> >
> > I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the
> > production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor
> > quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't
> > pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the part
s
> > (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in England bot
h
> > had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be good penetratio
n
> > and coverage at all the welds (#39+40).
> > The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate. Th
e
> > replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy wall an
d
> > seems very solid.
> > Regards=2C Clive
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
> > Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48
> > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
> >
> > -->
> >
> > I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a
> > particularly silly move to me.
> >
> > On the other hand=2C I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a
> > particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to
> > bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along
> > with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is steel
> > tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the
> > Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from ou
r
> > machines.
> >
> > --------
> > Cheers=2C Selwyn
> > Kit 66
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
In a message dated 3/17/2010 7:54:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corky(at)hbci.com writes:
Doug
I usually get into trouble when I start thinking, but
it make me wonder, it this caused from landings or from shimmy
Dave McCorquodale
The plane was flown off a grass field for the previous 3 years, so doubt
that it was shimmy.
There was some history during that time of rough landings.
Doug
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Jay Schmitt <n1220j(at)msn.com> |
Subject: | RE: Lightning-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/17/10 |
Thank you Dave and Clive and All: All information is appreciated=2C esp
ecially safety issues!! We Esqual owners are lucky to have the Lightning g
roup as a resource=2C research and development=2C and builder group. It is
to everyone's benefit to have so much interest in these wonderful airplane
s. I appreciate all of you as I continually try to improve the safety of m
y aircraft......Jay - Esqual 117DA
> Date: Wed=2C 17 Mar 2010 23:56:57 -0700
> From: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> To: lightning-list-digest(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/17/10
>
> *
>
> ========================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> ========================
>
> Today's complete Lightning-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the Lightning-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&
Chapter 10-03-17&Archive=Lightning
>
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>
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hapter 10-03-17&Archive=Lightning
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>
> ========================
=======================
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> ---
> Total Messages Posted Wed 03/17/10: 6
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 12:52 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (James=2C Clive R)
> 2. 01:46 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Kayberg(at)aol.com)
> 3. 03:03 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (James=2C Clive R)
> 4. 03:51 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Dave)
> 5. 04:54 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Dave)
> 6. 08:23 AM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/10 (Jay Schmitt)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
> From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
>
>
> Dave there are lots of similarities and there is no Esqual group=2C Esqua
l
> owners are all on here.
>
> The guys at Arion know the Esqual inside out and have great knowledge
> for all Esqual owners.
>
> Several improvements in my aircraft have been through information from
> the guys at Arion.
>
> The changes they incorporated into the Lightning were based on
> shortcomings of the Esqual.
>
> Parallels will always exists between the two aircraft because of many
> things.
>
> The fact that the weak point on the central beam in one Esqual suggests
> that that could be the weak point in the design (there is always one)
> and therefore would be a good place to check the lightning in the event
> of a heavy landing or many landing and high hours=2C regardless of what
> it's made of or how it's welded.
>
> Where you put it is just right as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Thanks=2C Regards=2C Clive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: 15 March 2010 23:34
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
>
> Guys
> Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals=2C
> NO.
> Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I
> guess yes.
> This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it out for
> the Lightning group=2C two different airplanes.
> Dave Mcc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
> Sent: Monday=2C March 15=2C 2010 9:11 AM
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
>
> >
> >
> > I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the
> > production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor
> > quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't
> > pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the
> > parts (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in
> > England both had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be
> > good penetration and coverage at all the welds (#39+40).
> > The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate.
> > The replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy
> > wall and seems very solid.
> > Regards=2C Clive
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
> > Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48
> > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
> >
> > -->
> >
> > I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a
>
> > particularly silly move to me.
> >
> > On the other hand=2C I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a
> > particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to
> > bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along
>
> > with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is
> > steel tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the
>
> > Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from
> > our machines.
> >
> > --------
> > Cheers=2C Selwyn
> > Kit 66
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C
> corky(at)hbci.com writes:
>
>
> Guys
> Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals=2C
> NO.
> Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I gues
s
> yes.
> This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it out for
> the
> Lightning group=2C two different airplanes.
> Dave Mcc
>
>
> We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had
> broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The small
> tubes had broken or cracked=2C the sockets were lose and floppy. I believ
e it
> was the stainless steel box. Not a good design.
>
> Yes=2C it could have been bad landings=2C but the gear did not bend. From
a
> design perspective=2C I think it is important that the gear bend and defo
rm
> long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not happen that way
> in the Esqual.
>
> FWIW
>
> Doug Koenigsberg
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
> From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
>
>
>
> 'Did not happen that way in the Esqual'
> I ran mine off the runway last year and the gear legs + engine mount
> bent=2C nothing else is damaged=2C as I said though not sure on the herit
age
> of the parts.
> Certainly not stainless=2C you can see that=2C + like the engine mount a
> real bitch to drill.
> I will give it another inspection but the dimensional check showed no
> deformation.
>
> Thanks for the extra feedback Doug=2C Regards Clive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Kayberg(at)aol.com
> Sent: 16 March 2010 22:57
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C
> corky(at)hbci.com writes:
>
>
> Guys
> Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have
> Esquals=2C NO.
> Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad
> landings? I guess
> yes.
> This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it
> out for the
> Lightning group=2C two different airplanes.
> Dave Mcc
>
>
>
> We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had
> broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The
> small tubes had broken or cracked=2C the sockets were lose and floppy. I
> believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design.
>
> Yes=2C it could have been bad landings=2C but the gear did not bend. From
> a design perspective=2C I think it is important that the gear bend and
> deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not
> happen that way in the Esqual.
>
> FWIW
>
> Doug Koenigsberg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
>
> Mine also is not stainless=2C I think I will plate mine to strengthen it
some.
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
> Sent: Wednesday=2C March 17=2C 2010 4:31 AM
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > 'Did not happen that way in the Esqual'
> > I ran mine off the runway last year and the gear legs + engine mount
> > bent=2C nothing else is damaged=2C as I said though not sure on the her
itage
> > of the parts.
> > Certainly not stainless=2C you can see that=2C + like the engine mount
a
> > real bitch to drill.
> > I will give it another inspection but the dimensional check showed no
> > deformation.
> >
> > Thanks for the extra feedback Doug=2C Regards Clive
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Kayberg(at)aol.com
> > Sent: 16 March 2010 22:57
> > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
> >
> > In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C
> > corky(at)hbci.com writes:
> >
> >
> > Guys
> > Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have
> > Esquals=2C NO.
> > Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad
> > landings? I guess
> > yes.
> > This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it
> > out for the
> > Lightning group=2C two different airplanes.
> > Dave Mcc
> >
> >
> > We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had
> > broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The
> > small tubes had broken or cracked=2C the sockets were lose and floppy.
I
> > believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design.
> >
> > Yes=2C it could have been bad landings=2C but the gear did not bend. Fr
om
> > a design perspective=2C I think it is important that the gear bend and
> > deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not
> > happen that way in the Esqual.
> >
> > FWIW
> >
> > Doug Koenigsberg
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
> Doug
> I usually get into trouble when I start thinking=2C but
> it make me wonder=2C it this caused from landings or from shimmy
>
> Dave McCorquodale
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kayberg(at)aol.com
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday=2C March 16=2C 2010 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
>
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2010 10:44:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C
> corky(at)hbci.com writes:
>
> Guys
> Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have
> Esquals=2C NO.
> Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I
> guess
> yes.
> This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it out
> for the
> Lightning group=2C two different airplanes.
> Dave Mcc
>
>
> We replaced a spar box on an Esqual at Green Landings. The gear had
> broken lose on both sides and was a disaster waiting to happen. The
> small tubes had broken or cracked=2C the sockets were lose and floppy. I
> believe it was the stainless steel box. Not a good design.
>
> Yes=2C it could have been bad landings=2C but the gear did not bend.
> >From a design perspective=2C I think it is important that the gear bend
> and deform long before damaging the box and cabin structure. Did not
> happen that way in the Esqual.
>
> FWIW
>
> Doug Koenigsberg
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 ______________________________
_______
>
>
> From: Jay Schmitt <n1220j(at)msn.com>
> Subject: Lightning-List: RE: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/10
>
>
> Hi=2C This is Jay Schmitt in Tijeras=2C New Mexico. I own Esqual N117
D
> A. My seat is out right now and my center section is beautiful. This is a
> 2004 completion. I haven't had any trouble with my rudder pedals either.
> I just put on the 6 ply tires=2C and new brakes. I'll report on my gear
s
> himmy soon. Good luck and clear skies to all. I hope to fly over to see G
> reg Hobbs in the next month or two. I love his canopy lock=3B I plan to
c
> opy it..................Jay
>
> > Date: Tue=2C 16 Mar 2010 23:56:48 -0700
> > From: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> > To: lightning-list-digest(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/16/10
> >
> > *
> >
> > =======================
>
> > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> > =======================
>
> >
> > Today's complete Lightning-List Digest can also be found in either of t
he
>
> > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatte
d
>
> > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> > of the Lightning-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text edit
or
>
> > such as Notepad or with a web browser.
> >
> > HTML Version:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=htm
l&
> Chapter 10-03-16&Archive=Lightning
> >
> > Text Version:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt
&C
> hapter 10-03-16&Archive=Lightning
> >
> >
> > =======================
> ======================
> > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> > =======================
> ======================
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > Lightning-List Digest Archive
> > ---
> > Total Messages Posted Tue 03/16/10: 1
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Today's Message Index:
> > ----------------------
> >
> > 1. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: spar/gear bracket (Dave)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1 ____________________________
__
> _______
> >
> >
> > From: "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com>
> > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
> >
> >
> > Guys
> > Has anyone had a problem with the spar bracket--NO do you have Esquals
=2C
> NO.
> > Do you think maybe this guy might have had some very bad landings? I gu
es
> s
> > yes.
> > This was meant for Buz because he has an Esqual=2C sorry I put it out
for
> the
> > Lightning group=2C two different airplanes.
> > Dave Mcc
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James=2C Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
> > Sent: Monday=2C March 15=2C 2010 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I visited the Esqual factory is 2003 and viewed many kits on the
> > > production line. The one thing that jumped out to us was the poor
> > > quality welding on the metal parts. Francesc admitted they weren't
> > > pretty and soon after they used a different company to weld up the pa
rt
> s
> > > (or a different welder/technique). The two kits I've had in England b
ot
> h
> > > had very tidy looking metal parts with what looks to be good penetrat
io
> n
> > > and coverage at all the welds (#39+40).
> > > The only stainless parts were the rudder pedals which seem adequate.
Th
> e
> > > replacement 'flute' is stainless but has a brace is quite heavy wall
an
> d
> > > seems very solid.
> > > Regards=2C Clive
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwy
n
> > > Sent: 15 March 2010 10:48
> > > To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Lightning-List: Re: spar/gear bracket
> > >
> > > -->
> > >
> > > I wonder how many Esquals had stainless centre sections? Seems like a
> > > particularly silly move to me.
> > >
> > > On the other hand=2C I'm familiar with one Esqual which has had a
> > > particularly trying life including hitting the ground hard enough to
> > > bend the main gear so as to resemble a pair of elephant tusks ( along
> > > with other significant damage). The centre section on this one is ste
el
> > > tube and it survived intact. The design appears the same as the
> > > Lightning so I guess we can expect similar reserves of strength from
ou
> r
> > > machines.
> > >
> > > --------
> > > Cheers=2C Selwyn
> > > Kit 66
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290344#290344
> > >
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From: | "Malcolm Ferguson" <malannx(at)bigpond.com> |
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
Have followed the posts on the failure of the central ladder beam with
interest. I have posted photos of the fix for an Esqual with a chrome
moly frame. I won't identify the owner but the fix is from a certified
aircraft welder.
The damage was caused by operating out of an extemely rough grass strip
and I would surmise the damage was done taxying, not heavy landings.
This plane was the catalyst for the "Alerts" section on the
http://www.esqual.se/ website. I have landed on that airfield once and I
was concerned that the nose leg would stay intact till I finished
taxying. I have the flat plate spring steel undercarriage legs which
seem indestructible but I have the square carbon fibre nose leg. I have
always worried about it. It has no flex in it, unlike alloy nose legs.
Some time ago an Esqual was stalled in from a considerable height(an
incipient spin had developed) The usual bits on the front of the
aircraft were wrecked and some wing leading edge damage but the central
ladder/spars remained undamaged. The pilot had a sore back. I reckon the
design of the Lightning/Esqual is very strong in that area.
Takeoffs are optional, landings mandatory. "Green Landings" :)
Malcolm Ferguson
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: spar/gear bracket |
Hi Malcolm,
Good input and photos. Let me add just one more thought to this
discussion, and that is gross weights. I fear that some Esqual flyers may be
exceeding the max take off weights that were specified. And notice I said
weights (plural). Two numbers have been specified as the max gross weight for
the Esqual, 992 pounds (or 450 kg) and 1250 pounds (560 kg). The 992 pounds
comes from the current web site for the Esqual. The 1250 was what was
listed for the one I built (serial number E180070). So there may be some
confusion out there, especially if the current flyer is not the original
builder. Flying on a rough field (like Malcolm mentioned) with too high a gross
weight could certainly result in the problem seen in the photos Malcolm
sent.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 3/19/2010 5:59:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
malannx(at)bigpond.com writes:
Have followed the posts on the failure of the central ladder beam with
interest. I have posted photos of the fix for an Esqual with a chrome moly
frame. I won't identify the owner but the fix is from a certified aircraft
welder.
The damage was caused by operating out of an extemely rough grass strip
and I would surmise the damage was done taxying, not heavy landings. This
plane was the catalyst for the "Alerts" section on the _http://www.esqual.se/_
(http://www.esqual.se/) website. I have landed on that airfield once and I
was concerned that the nose leg would stay intact till I finished taxying.
I have the flat plate spring steel undercarriage legs which seem
indestructible but I have the square carbon fibre nose leg. I have always worried
about it. It has no flex in it, unlike alloy nose legs.
Some time ago an Esqual was stalled in from a considerable height(an
incipient spin had developed) The usual bits on the front of the aircraft were
wrecked and some wing leading edge damage but the central ladder/spars
remained undamaged. The pilot had a sore back. I reckon the design of the
Lightning/Esqual is very strong in that area.
Takeoffs are optional, landings mandatory. "Green Landings" :)
Malcolm Ferguson
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Malcolm Ferguson" <malannx(at)bigpond.com> |
Hi Buz,
I might be quite wrong but my understanding is that the lighter gross
weight is for the European VLA standard of 460 kgs. None of these 460 kg
aircraft came into Australia and I would assume the US. Can't remember
whether it's 450 or 460.
The VLA version had longer and lighter wings and only 1 fuel tank and a
smaller useful load as I understand it. At least that was the case when
I bought mine. The 2 different versions were made for Europe(460hg VLA)
and the US (560 kg) Someone with more knowledge might be able to correct
me or fill in the gaps.
Malcolm Ferguson
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Esqual Nose Wheel Leg |
From: | "Jim Cerovich" <vjc(at)powerc.net> |
Hi All,
I dinged my nosewheel leg 8-( and hope that someone may have an undamaged one
laying around, collecting dust. I know that I probably should convert to the
Lightning style leg, but thought I'd give it one shot to find an exact replacement.
Also, If you have an original Esqual nosewheel pant, that would be a bonus.
Thanks for any help in getting me back in the air.
Jim Cerovich
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291161#291161
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Brian <dashvii(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Esqual Nose Wheel Leg |
Jim,
I somewhat agree with your idea which should be a simple bolt in
replacement. If you can't find that though, you should consider the
Lightning leg, wheelpant, and cowling. It is a more expensive route
but you'll see improvements in speed, fuel burn, cooling, and
everybodies favorite, looks. Just a thought. Brian W.
On Mar 21, 2010, at 11:40 AM, "Jim Cerovich" wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I dinged my nosewheel leg 8-( and hope that someone may have an
> undamaged one laying around, collecting dust. I know that I probably
> should convert to the Lightning style leg, but thought I'd give it
> one shot to find an exact replacement. Also, If you have an original
> Esqual nosewheel pant, that would be a bonus. Thanks for any help in
> getting me back in the air.
>
> Jim Cerovich
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291161#291161
>
>
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From: | FamilyGage(at)aol.com |
Gentlemen:
Someone on the list suggested contacting Skygeek.com for a tow bar for a
lightning using a RV type.
Went on the site and there were multiple tow bars for RV's.
Would that listening person send the RV tow bar model that can be used on
our Lightning's. Your assistance would be appreciated.
Sending this information off list would be fine.
Thanks,
Ray Gage
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Gross weights |
Hi Malcolm,
I am sure you are correct about the lighter gross being for the
European VLA market. But did the two have different central beam assemblies?
I
certainly don't know, but if they do, then I would caution anyone to be
sure exactly which central beam version you have.
How is your "jet" doing, by the way? I haven't flown much during this
really bad winter we had, but spring is here now, so things should pick
up. I have close to 645 hours on my Esqual LS now. Jabiru engine is still
purring along nicely. Over twice the speed of my Cub on the same fuel burn.
Love it.
You going to make it to Oshkosh?
Blue skies,
Buz
In a message dated 3/20/2010 10:24:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
malannx(at)bigpond.com writes:
Hi Buz,
I might be quite wrong but my understanding is that the lighter gross
weight is for the European VLA standard of 460 kgs. None of these 460 kg
aircraft came into Australia and I would assume the US. Can't remember whether
it's 450 or 460.
The VLA version had longer and lighter wings and only 1 fuel tank and a
smaller useful load as I understand it. At least that was the case when I
bought mine. The 2 different versions were made for Europe(460hg VLA) and the
US (560 kg) Someone with more knowledge might be able to correct me or fill
in the gaps.
Malcolm Ferguson
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | GRT Sport Updgrade |
Folks,
If you own a GRT Sport EFIS, it looks like they upgraded it with the synth
etic vision and moving maps. I think I read it was a $1200 upgrade. Is
this true? Has anyone upgraded theirs yet?
If so, any comments pro or con would be appreciated
Thanks
Bear
N82PB
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | GRT Sport Upgrade |
To all,
To upgrade an existing unit (an S100 or S200 WS or HS) to an SX with
synthetic vision is $1,400.00. Also, this is per unit. If you initially
order the unit with synthetic vision then it's a $1,200.00 upgrade. Again,
per unit. Take a look at the GRT price page:
http://www.grtavionics.com/product.aspx?productno=1&featureno=22.
We'll be flying our newest LS-1 sometime this week and it has a Sport SX
with synthetic vision. We'll do a little write up and get it into the April
or May newsletter.
Hope this helps!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of n5pb(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:10 PM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: GRT Sport Updgrade
Folks,
If you own a GRT Sport EFIS, it looks like they upgraded it with the
synthetic vision and moving maps. I think I read it was a $1200 upgrade.
Is this true? Has anyone upgraded theirs yet?
If so, any comments pro or con would be appreciated
Thanks
Bear
N82PB
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Malcolm Ferguson" <malannx(at)bigpond.com> |
Hi Buz,
Just under 500 hrs on mine. Have put a Sensenich prop(carbon adjust) on
May last year. Long story chasing engine vibrations, but turned out to
be the electric actuator on the Rospeller C/S. Have had a fair amount of
trouble getting the pitch right as the setting is extremely sensitive
0.5 degrees goes from being a climb prop to a cruise prop, but have it
right now, I think??? I really miss the C/S but love the simplicity of
the Sensenich. Prop is like the wood Sensenich with turned forward tips.
Looks weird.
Have been fiddling with mixture adjustment on my Rotax-runs very rich
the higher I go. Most recent trip to pick up a doz bottles wine saw just
on 14 litre/hr at 119-120 kts at av 8000'. Would normally be 18-19L.
Works on the same principle as the Haqman?? and is best above 7000' on
part throttle. No Oshkosk for a few years. By then might have a
Lightning if the improvements keep coming :) Dennis would still have to
be the Aus agent.
Malcolm
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: GRT Sport Upgrade |
thanks Mark,
Lookin forward to write up and seeing you at SNF.
Bear
N82PB
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stauffer <mark(at)flylightning.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 8:29 am
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: GRT Sport Upgrade
To all,
To upgrade an existing unit (an S100 or S200 WS or HS) to an SX with synth
etic vision is $1,400.00. Also, this is per unit. If you initially order
the unit with synthetic vision then it's a $1,200.00 upgrade. Again, per
unit. Take a look at the GRT price page: http://www.grtavionics.com/produ
ct.aspx?productno=1&featureno=22.
We'll be flying our newest LS-1 sometime this week and it has a Sport SX
with synthetic vision. We'll do a little write up and get it into the Apr
il or May newsletter.
Hope this helps!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:10 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: GRT Sport Updgrade
Folks,
If you own a GRT Sport EFIS, it looks like they upgraded it with the synth
etic vision and moving maps. I think I read it was a $1200 upgrade. Is
this true? Has anyone upgraded theirs yet?
If so, any comments pro or con would be appreciated
Thanks
Bear
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From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Another ones Flies! |
This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have got
another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have
got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain
tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear
design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it..and no
shimmy even with 30psi in the tires.
Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there
really close.
Nick
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Bob Haas" <checkpoint2(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Another ones Flies! |
Question, what is "the new landing gear design"? Bob Haas N330 BH.
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:02 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have got
another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have
got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain
tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear
design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it..and no
shimmy even with 30psi in the tires.
Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there
really close.
Nick
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Another ones Flies! |
Congratulations to Ed and the Lightning bunch. Can't wait to see N346BR
and Ed at Sun N Fun. Will it be in the Light Sport Mall or in the Lightni
ng
booth? I assume your booth will be at the same location?
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 3/24/2010 7:59:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
info(at)flylightning.net writes:
This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have go
t
another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have
got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain
tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing
gear
design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it
.and no
shimmy even with 30psi in the tires.
Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there
really close.
Nick
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From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Another ones Flies! |
YES, whats the new gear design? Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Haas
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
Question, what is "the new landing gear design"? Bob Haas N330 BH.
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From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flylightning
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:02 PM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have
got another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We
have got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the
rain tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new
landing gear design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac
feel to it..and no shimmy even with 30psi in the tires.
Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out
there really close.
Nick
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
The new gear was designed for the SLSA lightning specifically. Because the
aircraft had the potential to be in a flight school, or flown by low time
sport pilots a new gear was in order. This is one of the few things that are
different and specific to the SLSA LS-1.
I think based on the interest we have a tech article for the next news
letter. You will all have to come to SNF to get a first hand look.
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
YES, whats the new gear design? Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Haas <mailto:checkpoint2(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
Question, what is "the new landing gear design"? Bob Haas N330 BH.
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:02 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have got
another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have
got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain
tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear
design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it..and no
shimmy even with 30psi in the tires.
Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there
really close.
Nick
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From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Lightning Gear |
Hey Nick: Is the LSA gear able to be put in/on the Lightning?
Lynn
In a message dated 3/25/2010 4:31:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
info(at)flylightning.net writes:
The new gear was designed for the SLSA lightning specifically. Because th
e
aircraft had the potential to be in a flight school, or flown by low time
sport pilots a new gear was in order. This is one of the few things that
are different and specific to the SLSA LS-1.
I think based on the interest we have a tech article for the next news
letter. You will all have to come to SNF to get a first hand look.
Nick
____________________________________
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantel
l
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
YES, whats the new gear design? Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: _Bob Haas_ (mailto:checkpoint2(at)comcast.net)
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
Question, what is =9Cthe new landing gear design=9D? Bob Haas
N330 BH.
____________________________________
From: _owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com)
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightni
ng
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:02 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have go
t
another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have
got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain
tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing
gear
design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it
.and no
shimmy even with 30psi in the tires.
Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there
really close.
Nick
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Yes with very heavy modification. The entire rear spar box must be removed,
but it can be done.
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear
Hey Nick: Is the LSA gear able to be put in/on the Lightning?
Lynn
In a message dated 3/25/2010 4:31:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
info(at)flylightning.net writes:
The new gear was designed for the SLSA lightning specifically. Because the
aircraft had the potential to be in a flight school, or flown by low time
sport pilots a new gear was in order. This is one of the few things that are
different and specific to the SLSA LS-1.
I think based on the interest we have a tech article for the next news
letter. You will all have to come to SNF to get a first hand look.
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
YES, whats the new gear design? Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Haas <mailto:checkpoint2(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
Question, what is "the new landing gear design"? Bob Haas N330 BH.
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:02 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have got
another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have
got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain
tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear
design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it..and no
shimmy even with 30psi in the tires.
Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there
really close.
Nick
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From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
The new gear was designed for the SLSA lightning specifically. Because the
aircraft had the potential to be in a flight school, or flown by low time
sport pilots a new gear was in order. This is one of the few things that are
different and specific to the SLSA LS-1.
I think based on the interest we have a tech article for the next news
letter. You will all have to come to SNF to get a first hand look.
Nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
YES, whats the new gear design? Tex
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
Question, what is "the new landing gear design"? Bob Haas N330 BH.
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:02 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have got
another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have
got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain
tomorrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear
design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it..and no
shimmy even with 30psi in the tires.
Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there
really close.
Nick
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Subject: | Re: Another ones Flies! |
Congratulations Ed and the Lightning Team
Bear
N82PB
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Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 5:02 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Another ones Flies!
This is beginning to be an epidemic as the weather gets nicer. We have got
another one up today. Serial #88 is a SLSA LS-1 owned by Ed Ryan. We have
got 2 hours on so far today and will try for another before the rain tomo
rrow. So far flying well, as expected. This one has the new landing gear
design on it and it is very nice, kind of got a Cadillac feel to it
.and no shimmy even with 30psi in the tires.
Not sure if this is 51 or 52 I know there are a few other ones out there
really close.
Nick
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From: | "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Another Lightning takes to the skies! |
Greg Crouchley's Lightning, kit number 82, flew for the first time this
weekend. Greg's "jet" is the 52nd Lightning to fly.
I'm sure Ryan Gross with Green Landings Flight Center will give us an update
soon.
Congratulations Greg!!
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
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From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Another Lightning takes to the skies! |
Congrats to Greg and the Green Landings team. Greg and /or Ryan, when you
get the chance, send me some "words" and photos for the newsletter.
Blue Skies,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | April LIghtning Newsletter and new newsletter index |
All,
The latest issue of the Lightning Newsletter is now posted on the
three websites that carry our newsletters. Also recently posted on the three
sites is a brand new index of past Lightning newsletters that should greatly
aid in finding past articles or topics that have been covered in the past.
We owe a great Thank You to one of our readers, Denis B. from Iowa for
this index. Denis spent lots of time and effort to develop the index and I
certainly appreciate his efforts.
_http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/)
_http://www.greenlandings.com/_ (http://www.greenlandings.com/)
_http://www.jimslightning.com/_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/)
Featured in this issue is Dave Stanley's Lightning of the Month which also
happens to be the 50th Lightning to fly. Also, a new handheld GPS, the
iFly 700, which I got to fly with and evaluate for a month, is covered. I
think it is a great new GPS and is amazingly affordable for a GPS with a
7-inch screen. And guess what, it uses actual FAA Sectionals for the maps.
This issue also has a new engine clinic article by Pete Krotje. I learn
something important about the Jabiru engine every time I read one of Pete's
articles. This month's safety article is by Linda Mathias, and covers some
great comments (by an FAA check pilot) about big patterns. Also look for
an exciting Lightning Skunk Works announcement.
Please let me have some feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you for
content and on your comments for improvement.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | New Lightning World Record Today |
Today will be another big day for the Lightning
Not too long ago I was in an Officer=99s Club bar in NC talking wit
h a group
of active duty senior officers from various Air Force commands and a few
=9C
other special government agents=9D. We were having a few
=9Cbrewskis=9D and
the talk eventually turned to flying and airplanes. Being a big fan of th
e
Arion Lightning, I just had to tell them what a beautiful and great flyin
g
airplane it is. I also had to tell them that actually the Lightning was
a
world record holder, having set a speed record from Savannah to San Diego
.
I went on to tell a shortened version of how Earl Ferguson had built his
Lightning from a kit, and then went through the steps of planning and the
n,
after several aborted attempts, actually setting a new world=99s re
cord.
For those of you that are new to the =9CLightning Club=9D and
maybe don=99t
know Earl, let me provide a short recap about Earl and the world record
he
accomplished in his Lightning, N17EF. Earl=99s story is impressi
ve =93 one of
initiative, strength of character, and dedication to =9Cthe mission
=9D. At
age 70+, most pilots are willing to just play golf, tennis or bridge for
excitement. Earl Ferguson is a little different. He is definitely a
=9Cget =98
er done=9D kind of guy as well as being a double cancer survivor.
Taking off from Savannah on August 6, he made stops in Quitman, MS;
Athens, Midland, and EI Paso, TX; Tempe, AZ (where he spent the night sin
ce he
was flying as a sport pilot and could not fly at night), and, finally lan
ding
in San Diego, CA on August 7, 2007.
The NAA approved Earl=99s flight as a national record and forwarded
the
record to the FAI, who then awarded a world record to Earl for landplanes
weighing less than 1000 kg. As a retired Navy aviator and Sport Aviati
on
pilot, Earl=99s story is an inspiration to all of us. =9CSie
rra Hotel=9D, Earl.
Now back to that O Club bar conversation. Basically I recounted Earl
=99s
story to the assembled group of Air Force aviators and they were all very
impressed =93 just the reaction that I was looking for. But what
happened next
completely surprised me. When I mentioned that Earl was a retired Navy
pilot the group of distinguished Air Force pilots immediately got pretty
=9C
offended=9D that a retired Navy pilot had a world record in the Lig
htning =93
they insisted that a retired Air Force pilot should have that honor. At
that
point their questions to me were fast and furious as to how they could hel
p
re-capture that record so that it could be rightfully owned by an Air
Force type. Soon the group had come up with an ingenious plan that woul
d not
only beat Earl=99s record, but completely shatter it. Because thei
r plan
might have some =9Creally high level=9D approval problems, the
y all swore
complete secrecy as to how we were going to set the new world record. Th
e top
secret operational plan they came up with was code named =9CBEWORN
=9D, which
stands for Beat Earl=99s World Record Now. Operation BEWORN was put
into
immediate action.
A donor Lightning aircraft was soon acquired and the required
modifications to the airframe were quickly completed and operational test
and
evaluation flights were planned and successfully flown. I really had a
great time
flying the modified Lightning and honing some skills that I had not used
since my last flights in the F-4 Phantom II.
However, as you all know, keeping things secret is sometimes difficult,
especially something as large as secret aircraft operations. Well, to ma
ke a
long story at little shorter, during a recent operational test flight of
the new modified Lightning, an escorting aircraft with a hired photograph
er
in the back seat, took several photos of the test Lightning and at least
one was =9Caccidentally=9D leaked to the local media. I say
accidentally
because I believe that maybe the hired photographer that leaked the photo
might
have had some connection to the Navy many years ago. That was unfortunat
e,
and explaining it to some of the =9Chigher USAF brass=9D has
delayed Operation
=9CBEWORN=9D from being put into action until today. We fina
lly have
approval to fly the non-stop coast to coast =9COperation BEWORN
=9D flight today, 1
April 2010.
That =9Caccidentally leaked=9D photo is shown below.
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From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: New Lightning World Record Today |
Buz,
Neat April Fool story, you had me worried for a few lines.
WR Earl
In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:04:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
Today will be another big day for the Lightning
Not too long ago I was in an Officer=99s Club bar in NC talking wit
h a group
of active duty senior officers from various Air Force commands and a few
=9C
other special government agents=9D. We were having a few
=9Cbrewskis=9D and
the talk eventually turned to flying and airplanes. Being a big fan of th
e
Arion Lightning, I just had to tell them what a beautiful and great flyin
g
airplane it is. I also had to tell them that actually the Lightning was
a
world record holder, having set a speed record from Savannah to San Diego
.
I went on to tell a shortened version of how Earl Ferguson had built his
Lightning from a kit, and then went through the steps of planning and the
n,
after several aborted attempts, actually setting a new world=99s re
cord.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | New Lightning World Record Today |
Yes, and does Dick Cleavinger realize that someone stole his Lightning?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:59 PM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record Today
Buz,
Neat April Fool story, you had me worried for a few lines.
WR Earl
In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:04:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
Today will be another big day for the Lightning
Not too long ago I was in an Officer=99s Club bar in NC
talking with a group of active duty senior officers from various Air
Force commands and a few =9Cother special government
agents=9D. We were having a few =9Cbrewskis=9D and
the talk eventually turned to flying and airplanes. Being a big fan of
the Arion Lightning, I just had to tell them what a beautiful and great
flying airplane it is. I also had to tell them that actually the
Lightning was a world record holder, having set a speed record from
Savannah to San Diego. I went on to tell a shortened version of how
Earl Ferguson had built his Lightning from a kit, and then went through
the steps of planning and then, after several aborted attempts, actually
setting a new world=99s record.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: New Lightning World Record Today |
I fell for the one today on ASFBug about a TFR being issued for the
entire country; I even called Flight Service to ask about it and a
couple hours later realized that it had to be an April's Fool joke.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Stauffer
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record Today
Yes, and does Dick Cleavinger realize that someone stole his
Lightning?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:59 PM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record Today
Buz,
Neat April Fool story, you had me worried for a few lines.
WR Earl
In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:04:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
Today will be another big day for the Lightning
Not too long ago I was in an Officer=99s Club bar in NC
talking with a group of active duty senior officers from various Air
Force commands and a few =9Cother special government
agents=9D. We were having a few =9Cbrewskis=9D and
the talk eventually turned to flying and airplanes. Being a big fan of
the Arion Lightning, I just had to tell them what a beautiful and great
flying airplane it is. I also had to tell them that actually the
Lightning was a world record holder, having set a speed record from
Savannah to San Diego. I went on to tell a shortened version of how
Earl Ferguson had built his Lightning from a kit, and then went through
the steps of planning and then, after several aborted attempts, actually
setting a new world=99s record.
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From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: New Lightning World Record Today |
Stole? Pretty brash statement. What do you base that on? Can not
another airplane have a similar paint job. 31Bz has been duplicated seve
ral
times. But what if Dick is part of the world record? Just remember that
most
stories have at least some truth, and some stories are mostly true. By
the
way, Dick and I are in San Diego as I write this.
Buz
In a message dated 4/1/2010 4:15:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark(at)flylightning.net writes:
Yes, and does Dick Cleavinger realize that someone stole his Lightning?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of EAFerguson
@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record Today
Buz,
Neat April Fool story, you had me worried for a few lines.
WR Earl
In a message dated 4/1/2010 12:04:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
Today will be another big day for the Lightning
Not too long ago I was in an Officer=99s Club bar in NC talking wit
h a group
of active duty senior officers from various Air Force commands and a few
=9C
other special government agents=9D. We were having a few
=9Cbrewskis=9D and
the talk eventually turned to flying and airplanes. Being a big fan of
the
Arion Lightning, I just had to tell them what a beautiful and great flyin
g
airplane it is. I also had to tell them that actually the Lightning was
a
world record holder, having set a speed record from Savannah to San Diego
.
I went on to tell a shortened version of how Earl Ferguson had built hi
s
Lightning from a kit, and then went through the steps of planning and
then, after several aborted attempts, actually setting a new world
=99s record.
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From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: New Lightning World Record Today |
In a message dated 4/1/2010 4:02:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
EAFerguson(at)aol.com writes:
Buz,
Neat April Fool story, you had me worried for a few lines.
WR Earl
Hey World Record Earl,
Was yesterday 1 April? I hadn't noticed. But really enjoying being
here in San Diego after that non stop flight. Say, how long did it take for
the NAA and FIA to complete their official world record paperwork?
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | EAFerguson(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: New Lightning World Record Today |
In a message dated 4/2/2010 8:51:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
Say, how long did it take for the NAA and FIA to complete their official
world record paperwork?
Buz
Buz,
Not long, but I didn't time them. NAA probably a week and FIA another two
weeks at most.
BTW, it would be easy for any regular (not LS) Lightning to cut my record
time in half. Any takers???
Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: New Lightning World Record |
In a message dated 4/2/2010 10:46:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
EAFerguson(at)aol.com writes:
BTW, it would be easy for any regular (not LS) Lightning to cut my record
time in half. Any takers???
Earl is right, the capabilities of the Lightning would allow someone with
foresight, planning, and determination (like Earl) to set another World
Record for the Lightning. And you wouldn't even need to go for his exact
record - just pick any two cities that don't have a current speed record between
them in the category that the Lightning is in, and go for it. I am sure
Earl would be more than willing to add his expertise to the effort to get
you started, explain the required steps, and help with specific details.
Surely someone out there flying a Lightning would like to have their name in
the World Record Book - like World Record Earl.
Earl will be signing autographs at Sun N Fun - free of charge.
Blue Skies,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE |
If the weather cooperates, next Saturday morning I will be waking up in my
tent at the Lakeland Airport. Yes, my current plan is to fly down to
Florida for Sun N Fun next Friday, the 9th of April, which will give me so
me
time to help with some set up volunteer efforts.
Official start date for Sun N Fun is Tuesday, 13 April, so you still have
plenty of time to arrange your schedule so that you can fly there in your
Lightning. Last year, other that the factory and dealer Lightnings, World
Record Earl was the only Lightning owner to fly to Sun N Fun. In fact, we
had more Esquals in the fly-in parking area than Lightnings (2 Esquals, 1
Lightning). Surely this year will be different. In fact, here is a
challenge; if World Record Earl and I can do it (at our advanced age) why
not you?
It would be great to have a row of Lightnings parked together. The key
to
that is getting there early enough so that the parkers have time to take
you to a specific row. If you arrive at a busy arrival time, getting to
a
specific row will be more difficult. I can save some parking spaces if
I
know when you will arrive, but the earlier the easier. So if you know wh
en
you will be arriving, I'll be there looking for you - like I did for Earl
last year. My cell phone number is: 757-879-5845.
And as long as we are talking about Sun N Fun, mark your schedule so that
you can attend Nick's briefings in the forums area. Nick will be giving
two forums this year - one on opening day (13 April at 1300 in forums then
#11) and another on Friday (16 April at 1300, forums tent #11). Addition
ally,
the annual Lightning get together at the Lightning booth will be Friday,
the 16th at 1100. I am assuming that the Lightning booth will be at the
same area as the last few years. Nick or Mark, please confirm this for
us,
and anything else we need to know as far as supporting your efforts.
Hope to see you there.
Buz
The annual Lightning get together at the Lightning booth will be Friday,
16 April at 1100 or 1130 =93 TBD.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE |
Group,
We are in the same spot as always. Down behind the FAA building. We will
have our get together at 11 and than I have got a forum at 12 so come on to
that and fill the tent so I don't have to talk to myself.or mark cause he
get to run the power point thingy.
Nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:49 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE
If the weather cooperates, next Saturday morning I will be waking up in my
tent at the Lakeland Airport. Yes, my current plan is to fly down to
Florida for Sun N Fun next Friday, the 9th of April, which will give me some
time to help with some set up volunteer efforts.
Official start date for Sun N Fun is Tuesday, 13 April, so you still have
plenty of time to arrange your schedule so that you can fly there in your
Lightning. Last year, other that the factory and dealer Lightnings, World
Record Earl was the only Lightning owner to fly to Sun N Fun. In fact, we
had more Esquals in the fly-in parking area than Lightnings (2 Esquals, 1
Lightning). Surely this year will be different. In fact, here is a
challenge; if World Record Earl and I can do it (at our advanced age) why
not you? It would be great to have a row of Lightnings parked together.
The key to that is getting there early enough so that the parkers have time
to take you to a specific row. If you arrive at a busy arrival time,
getting to a specific row will be more difficult. I can save some parking
spaces if I know when you will arrive, but the earlier the easier. So if
you know when you will be arriving, I'll be there looking for you - like I
did for Earl last year. My cell phone number is: 757-879-5845.
And as long as we are talking about Sun N Fun, mark your schedule so that
you can attend Nick's briefings in the forums area. Nick will be giving two
forums this year - one on opening day (13 April at 1300 in forums then #11)
and another on Friday (16 April at 1300, forums tent #11). Additionally,
the annual Lightning get together at the Lightning booth will be Friday, the
16th at 1100. I am assuming that the Lightning booth will be at the same
area as the last few years. Nick or Mark, please confirm this for us, and
anything else we need to know as far as supporting your efforts.
Hope to see you there.
Buz
The annual Lightning get together at the Lightning booth will be Friday, 16
April at 1100 or 1130 - TBD.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Johnny Thompson" <8wn(at)comcast.net> |
Two years ago I started having seizures on a daily basis. I had hoped
they would go away but it's not going to happen. This is an increasing
problem from injuries received in Vietnam to my brain and spine. I am
thankful I was able to fly for 40 years. I am telling you this so you
will know why I am selling 8WN and other kits & planes I have (Velocity
XL-5 300 hp, and an Ercoupe).
The Lightning 8WN (SN 26) is registered under Light Sport rules, 1320
pounds, since I knew I might not pass a medical. 8WN has 4.5 hours. For
the past 2 years since it has not been flown, I just spend time working
on the plane. It now has 30 gallon tanks, new canopy locking system, and
lots of other changes. Greg Hobbs can fly the time off if you like. The
aircraft is loaded with top of the line avionics, auto pilot, traffic
warning, etc.
For fast sell I set the price at $87,000, about the price of a basic
with built assist. This plane draws a big crowd but it is an easy
repaint if you have other taste. The aircraft had minor damage during a
landing I made while having a seizure. The damage was classified by FAA
as an incident, not an accident. I have pictures of the damage and
everything was replaced/repaired by the book and more. Signed off by A&P
(me).
Home 520 742-5868 cell 520 834-4989. 8WN is located at Greg Hobbs in
Marana. You can also call Greg for any info. I am giving Lighting
family and friends first shot. Johnny Thompson, Marana Az.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE |
All,
I just went to the Sun N Fun web site and checked the forums schedule.
The two Lightning forums are scheduled for 1300 (not 1200) on both opening
day
(Tuesday, 13 April) and Friday, 16 April. Nick is a busy guy, so maybe
that is why he thought the forum time was noon. Either that or he has ha
d
too much fun drinking Tennessee's finest. But do plan to attend both for
ums
and cheer loudly when either Nick or Mark says absolutely anything. If
we
get their egos built up by cheering them on, maybe they will share some
of
that Tennessee white lightning. Or maybe Max will bring some Florida
white lightning. Either way, get happy and have fun.
Buz
In a message dated 4/3/2010 11:36:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
info(at)flylightning.net writes:
Group,
We are in the same spot as always. Down behind the FAA building. We will
have our get together at 11 and than I have got a forum at 12 so come on
to
that and fill the tent so I don=99t have to talk to myself
or mark cause he
get to run the power point thingy.
Nick
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@a
ol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:49 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE
If the weather cooperates, next Saturday morning I will be waking up in
my
tent at the Lakeland Airport. Yes, my current plan is to fly down to
Florida for Sun N Fun next Friday, the 9th of April, which will give me
some
time to help with some set up volunteer efforts.
Official start date for Sun N Fun is Tuesday, 13 April, so you still have
plenty of time to arrange your schedule so that you can fly there in your
Lightning. Last year, other that the factory and dealer Lightnings, Worl
d
Record Earl was the only Lightning owner to fly to Sun N Fun. In fact,
we
had more Esquals in the fly-in parking area than Lightnings (2 Esquals,
1
Lightning). Surely this year will be different. In fact, here is a
challenge; if World Record Earl and I can do it (at our advanced age) why
not you?
It would be great to have a row of Lightnings parked together. The key
to
that is getting there early enough so that the parkers have time to take
you to a specific row. If you arrive at a busy arrival time, getting to
a
specific row will be more difficult. I can save some parking spaces if I
know when you will arrive, but the earlier the easier. So if you know wh
en
you will be arriving, I'll be there looking for you - like I did for Earl
last year. My cell phone number is: 757-879-5845.
And as long as we are talking about Sun N Fun, mark your schedule so that
you can attend Nick's briefings in the forums area. Nick will be giving
two forums this year - one on opening day (13 April at 1300 in forums the
n
#11) and another on Friday (16 April at 1300, forums tent #11).
Additionally, the annual Lightning get together at the Lightning booth wi
ll be Friday,
the 16th at 1100. I am assuming that the Lightning booth will be at the
same area as the last few years. Nick or Mark, please confirm this for
us,
and anything else we need to know as far as supporting your efforts.
Hope to see you there.
Buz
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Subject: | Re: *8WN for sale |
Johonny,
Sorry to hear about your health problem. If I need another Lightning, yours
would be at the top of my list.
Earl Ferguson
N17EF
Atlanta
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From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE |
In a message dated 4/3/2010 8:49:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
Official start date for Sun N Fun is Tuesday, 13 April, so you still have
plenty of time to arrange your schedule so that you can fly there in your
Lightning. Last year, other that the factory and dealer Lightnings, World
Record Earl was the only Lightning owner to fly to Sun N Fun. In fact, we
had more Esquals in the fly-in parking area than Lightnings (2 Esquals, 1
Lightning). Surely this year will be different. In fact, here is a
challenge; if World Record Earl and I can do it (at our advanced age) why not
you?
It would be great to have a row of Lightnings parked together. The key to
that is getting there early enough so that the parkers have time to take
you to a specific row. If you arrive at a busy arrival time, getting to a
specific row will be more difficult. I can save some parking spaces if I
know when you will arrive, but the earlier the easier. So if you know when
you will be arriving, I'll be there looking for you - like I did for Earl
last year. My cell phone number is: 757-879-5845.
Buz,
I plan to be there, but haven't got a firm schedule yet. Will definitely be
there for the Forum on Friday. Hope there will be room for a tent in the
enclave. Hope we will have a bunch of Lightnings this time.
Earl
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Subject: | Re: New Lightning World Record |
Here's a record....on a recent trip to Bartow, Fl from St Pete Intl (about
50 miles) I was handed off to 7 different controllers; would have been 8,
but ground control at Bartow was down; so I taxied via the tower....Lots
of fun flying through class B airspace...oh same thing on the return trip
....hey I get alot pf practice and at least I'm not afraid to talk to the
"Big Guys"...
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:02 am
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record
In a message dated 4/2/2010 10:46:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguso
n(at)aol.com writes:
BTW, it would be easy for any regular (not LS) Lightning to cut my record
time in half. Any takers???
Earl is right, the capabilities of the Lightning would allow someone with
foresight, planning, and determination (like Earl) to set another World
Record for the Lightning. And you wouldn't even need to go for his exact
record - just pick any two cities that don't have a current speed record
between them in the category that the Lightning is in, and go for it. I
am sure Earl would be more than willing to add his expertise to the effor
t to get you started, explain the required steps, and help with specific
details. Surely someone out there flying a Lightning would like to have
their name in the World Record Book - like World Record Earl.
Earl will be signing autographs at Sun N Fun - free of charge.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Subject: | Re: New Lightning World Record |
How many controllers to get you to Sun N Fun? That is the question. Hope
you are planning on bringing your jet.
Buz
In a message dated 4/5/2010 9:04:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
n5pb(at)aol.com writes:
Here's a record....on a recent trip to Bartow, Fl from St Pete Intl (about
50 miles) I was handed off to 7 different controllers; would have been 8,
but ground control at Bartow was down; so I taxied via the tower....Lots of
fun flying through class B airspace...oh same thing on the return
trip....hey I get alot pf practice and at least I'm not afraid to talk to the
"Big
Guys"...
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:02 am
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record
In a message dated 4/2/2010 10:46:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_EAFerguson(at)aol.com_ (mailto:EAFerguson(at)aol.com) writes:
BTW, it would be easy for any regular (not LS) Lightning to cut my record
time in half. Any takers???
Earl is right, the capabilities of the Lightning would allow someone with
foresight, planning, and determination (like Earl) to set another World
Record for the Lightning. And you wouldn't even need to go for his exact
record - just pick any two cities that don't have a current speed record between
them in the category that the Lightning is in, and go for it. I am sure
Earl would be more than willing to add his expertise to the effort to get
you started, explain the required steps, and help with specific details.
Surely someone out there flying a Lightning would like to have their name in
the World Record Book - like World Record Earl.
Earl will be signing autographs at Sun N Fun - free of charge.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE |
In a message dated 4/4/2010 10:32:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM writes:
Buz,
I plan to be there, but haven't got a firm schedule yet. Will definitely
be there for the Forum on Friday. Hope there will be room for a tent in the
enclave. Hope we will have a bunch of Lightnings this time.
Earl
World Record Earl,
We will definitely make room for you. Will you be dancing at the Lakeland
Chip and Dales again this year?
Buz
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From: | Allan Maxwell <allanmaxe(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE |
Buz I don't think I can make it this year still painting I will send a pict
ure when I get it all done if it is ready thursday am I will see you thursd
ay if not shellbyville this fall Allan Maxwell
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From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com <N1BZRich(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE
Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 5:56 AM
In a message dated 4/4/2010 10:32:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguson
@AOL.COM writes:
Buz,
I plan to be there, but haven't got a firm schedule yet. Will definitely be
there for the Forum on Friday. Hope there will be room for a tent in the e
nclave. Hope we will have a bunch of Lightnings this time.
Earl
World Record Earl,
We will definitely make room for you.- Will you be dancing at the Lakelan
d Chip and Dales again this year?
Buz
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Subject: | Re: New Lightning World Record |
Probably 4 Buz, but it won't stop me from getting there...fog and bad wx
might, but not the controllers.
I plan on being there with the jet...arriving Wed...
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 10:30 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record
How many controllers to get you to Sun N Fun? That is the question. Hope
you are planning on bringing your jet.
Buz
In a message dated 4/5/2010 9:04:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb(at)aol.c
om writes:
Here's a record....on a recent trip to Bartow, Fl from St Pete Intl (about
50 miles) I was handed off to 7 different controllers; would have been 8,
but ground control at Bartow was down; so I taxied via the tower....Lots
of fun flying through class B airspace...oh same thing on the return trip
....hey I get alot pf practice and at least I'm not afraid to talk to the
"Big Guys"...
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:02 am
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record
In a message dated 4/2/2010 10:46:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, EAFerguso
n(at)aol.com writes:
BTW, it would be easy for any regular (not LS) Lightning to cut my record
time in half. Any takers???
Earl is right, the capabilities of the Lightning would allow someone with
foresight, planning, and determination (like Earl) to set another World
Record for the Lightning. And you wouldn't even need to go for his exact
record - just pick any two cities that don't have a current speed record
between them in the category that the Lightning is in, and go for it. I
am sure Earl would be more than willing to add his expertise to the effor
t to get you started, explain the required steps, and help with specific
details. Surely someone out there flying a Lightning would like to have
their name in the World Record Book - like World Record Earl.
Earl will be signing autographs at Sun N Fun - free of charge.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: New Lightning World Record |
Great, Bear, see you there. And how about all you other Florida Lightning
boys?
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 4/6/2010 8:13:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
n5pb(at)aol.com writes:
Probably 4 Buz, but it won't stop me from getting there...fog and bad wx
might, but not the controllers.
I plan on being there with the jet...arriving Wed...
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 10:30 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record
How many controllers to get you to Sun N Fun? That is the question. Hope
you are planning on bringing your jet.
Buz
In a message dated 4/5/2010 9:04:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_n5pb(at)aol.com_ (mailto:n5pb(at)aol.com) writes:
Here's a record....on a recent trip to Bartow, Fl from St Pete Intl (about
50 miles) I was handed off to 7 different controllers; would have been 8,
but ground control at Bartow was down; so I taxied via the tower....Lots of
fun flying through class B airspace...oh same thing on the return
trip....hey I get alot pf practice and at least I'm not afraid to talk to the
"Big
Guys"...
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: _N1BZRich(at)aol.com_ (mailto:N1BZRich(at)aol.com)
Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2010 8:02 am
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New Lightning World Record
In a message dated 4/2/2010 10:46:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_EAFerguson(at)aol.com_ (mailto:EAFerguson(at)aol.com) writes:
BTW, it would be easy for any regular (not LS) Lightning to cut my record
time in half. Any takers???
Earl is right, the capabilities of the Lightning would allow someone with
foresight, planning, and determination (like Earl) to set another World
Record for the Lightning. And you wouldn't even need to go for his exact
record - just pick any two cities that don't have a current speed record
between them in the category that the Lightning is in, and go for it. I am sure
Earl would be more than willing to add his expertise to the effort to get
you started, explain the required steps, and help with specific details.
Surely someone out there flying a Lightning would like to have their name in
the World Record Book - like World Record Earl.
Earl will be signing autographs at Sun N Fun - free of charge.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE |
OK, Allen, I hope you do make it, but if not then see you in either Oshkosh
or Shelbyville for the Lightning Fly-In.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 4/6/2010 6:42:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
allanmaxe(at)yahoo.com writes:
Buz I don't think I can make it this year still painting I will send a
picture when I get it all done if it is ready thursday am I will see you
thursday if not shellbyville this fall Allan Maxwell
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Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun 2010 - BE THERE
Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 5:56 AM
In a message dated 4/4/2010 10:32:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM writes:
Buz,
I plan to be there, but haven't got a firm schedule yet. Will definitely
be there for the Forum on Friday. Hope there will be room for a tent in the
enclave. Hope we will have a bunch of Lightnings this time.
Earl
World Record Earl,
We will definitely make room for you. Will you be dancing at the Lakeland
Chip and Dales again this year?
Buz
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From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM |
Hey Buz: I expect to be there every day at the Ercoupe type table. Will
most likely see you either at the Bonanza table or the Friday get together. I
am going to leave my jet in the hangar (I am too lazy to clean it)
Lynn
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From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
In a message dated 4/7/2010 7:48:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM writes:
Hey Buz: I expect to be there every day at the Ercoupe type table. Will
most likely see you either at the Bonanza table or the Friday get together. I
am going to leave my jet in the hangar (I am too lazy to clean it)
Lynn
Darn, Lynn, bring it on over and I'll clean it for you. But at least you
will be there. I'll look for you in the type club tent. I did not
schedule myself to work with the Bonanza guys this year, but may still get roped
into spending some time there. Well, also might spend some time with the
Cub Club as well. Both good groups.
Blue Skies,
Buz
PS: How about all you other Florida Lightning guys? Are you afraid if
you let the world know that you will be there you will be mobbed by admiring
people wanting your autograph?
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From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Sun N Fun flying or driving??? |
As you all know, I have been encouraging everyone to fly to Sun N Fun to
join in all the Lightning activities and have lots of good "bravo sierra"
sessions with each other while there. Well, looks like I might be driving
instead of flying. Bummer.
To recap - when landing, bringing the Esqual LS here to load it with
camping equipment, etc. I had a flat tire when I taxied up to the hangar. No
problem on landing or taxiing in, but as I climbed out I could tell one wing
was low. By the time I opened the hangar it was totally flat and I had to
air it up some to even pull it into the hangar. Soon went flat again.
Aired it up just to get the wheel pant off and put a jack under it to hold it
up. No nail or anything in the tire, just a hole in the side wall of the
tube. It is one of those leakguard tubes - Great for holding air, but I
have had two of them fail in the past 4 years. Prior to that, with the
regular tubes, no failures at all in the past 40 some years of general aviation
flying. Might be a story there. I love the leakguard tubes because once
you air them up - they hold the air, but two tube failures in 4 years might
show a trend.
Ordering a new tube, but they were closed, so want get the order until
next day and then with express shipping, it would not get here until maybe
noon on Saturday, and I need to be there Friday evening. So have about
decided to load up the truck and start driving south tomorrow afternoon. Bummer,
but at least I can take a larger tent and more supplies. But darn, I hate
driving to a fly-in.
See you there,
Buz
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From: | FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun flying or driving??? |
Buz:
It is my hope to fly 83TW, not sure of what day. Is there any way to get
ground control to park us near other Lightnings? Didn't know that if I made
a sign would help.
This is the first time that I wasn't coming in with 20-40 warbirds from the
South, so we were all parked in a line.
Sorry about your tire!
My Best,
Ray
In a message dated 4/7/2010 11:04:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
As you all know, I have been encouraging everyone to fly to Sun N Fun to
join in all the Lightning activities and have lots of good "bravo sierra"
sessions with each other while there. Well, looks like I might be driving
instead of flying. Bummer.
To recap - when landing, bringing the Esqual LS here to load it with
camping equipment, etc. I had a flat tire when I taxied up to the hangar. No
problem on landing or taxiing in, but as I climbed out I could tell one wing
was low. By the time I opened the hangar it was totally flat and I had to
air it up some to even pull it into the hangar. Soon went flat again.
Aired it up just to get the wheel pant off and put a jack under it to hold it
up. No nail or anything in the tire, just a hole in the side wall of the
tube. It is one of those leakguard tubes - Great for holding air, but I
have had two of them fail in the past 4 years. Prior to that, with the
regular tubes, no failures at all in the past 40 some years of general aviation
flying. Might be a story there. I love the leakguard tubes because once
you air them up - they hold the air, but two tube failures in 4 years might
show a trend.
Ordering a new tube, but they were closed, so want get the order until
next day and then with express shipping, it would not get here until maybe
noon on Saturday, and I need to be there Friday evening. So have about
decided to load up the truck and start driving south tomorrow afternoon. Bummer,
but at least I can take a larger tent and more supplies. But darn, I hate
driving to a fly-in.
See you there,
Buz
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From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun flying or driving??? |
Ray,
The special Sun N Fun arrival procedures start Sunday, so be sure to
read the NOTAM, as it is totally different from the warbird arrival.
Actually Lakeland ground has nothing to do with parking. The Sun N Fun volunteer
parkers in the experimental / homebuilt area actually do try to park
similar airplanes together, but all bets are off when they get busy, so it will
depend on when you arrive. But if you get a parking place you don't like
you might be able to move later if something better opens up. Obviously the
early arrivals get the better spots. Looking forward to seeing you there.
Remember the Lightning get together on Friday at 11 AM at the Lightning
booth.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 4/7/2010 11:17:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM writes:
Buz:
It is my hope to fly 83TW, not sure of what day. Is there any way to get
ground control to park us near other Lightnings? Didn't know that if I made
a sign would help.
This is the first time that I wasn't coming in with 20-40 warbirds from
the South, so we were all parked in a line.
Sorry about your tire!
My Best,
Ray
In a message dated 4/7/2010 11:04:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
As you all know, I have been encouraging everyone to fly to Sun N Fun to
join in all the Lightning activities and have lots of good "bravo sierra"
sessions with each other while there. Well, looks like I might be driving
instead of flying. Bummer.
To recap - when landing, bringing the Esqual LS here to load it with
camping equipment, etc. I had a flat tire when I taxied up to the hangar. No
problem on landing or taxiing in, but as I climbed out I could tell one wing
was low. By the time I opened the hangar it was totally flat and I had to
air it up some to even pull it into the hangar. Soon went flat again.
Aired it up just to get the wheel pant off and put a jack under it to hold it
up. No nail or anything in the tire, just a hole in the side wall of the
tube. It is one of those leakguard tubes - Great for holding air, but I
have had two of them fail in the past 4 years. Prior to that, with the
regular tubes, no failures at all in the past 40 some years of general aviation
flying. Might be a story there. I love the leakguard tubes because once
you air them up - they hold the air, but two tube failures in 4 years might
show a trend.
Ordering a new tube, but they were closed, so want get the order until
next day and then with express shipping, it would not get here until maybe
noon on Saturday, and I need to be there Friday evening. So have about
decided to load up the truck and start driving south tomorrow afternoon. Bummer,
but at least I can take a larger tent and more supplies. But darn, I hate
driving to a fly-in.
See you there,
Buz
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From: | "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Off to Sun n Fun |
Just wanted to let the list know that we're off for Sun n Fun bright and
early tomorrow morning.
We hope to see all of our friends at the show and please don't forget the
gathering at the Lightning tent on Friday at 1100 followed by Nick's
presentation at 1300.
Blue skies!
Mark
Mark Stauffer
Production Manager
Arion Aircraft
2842 Hwy 231 North
Shelbyville, TN 37160
(931) 680-1781
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Subject: | Re: Off to Sun n Fun |
From: | Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
Will hopefully be there. Still working out the minor things before the
inspection - so, chances are, we'll show up somewhat later in the show.
All the best,
Max
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Mark Stauffer wrote:
> Just wanted to let the list know that we're off for Sun n Fun bright and
> early tomorrow morning.
>
> We hope to see all of our friends at the show and please don't forget the
> gathering at the Lightning tent on Friday at 1100 followed by Nick's
> presentation at 1300.
>
> Blue skies!
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Stauffer
> Production Manager
> Arion Aircraft
> 2842 Hwy 231 North
> Shelbyville, TN 37160
> (931) 680-1781
>
>
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From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Off to Sun n Fun |
In a message dated 4/9/2010 3:34:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark(at)flylightning.net writes:
Just wanted to let the list know that we're off for Sun n Fun bright and
early tomorrow morning.
We hope to see all of our friends at the show and please don't forget the
gathering at the Lightning tent on Friday at 1100 followed by Nick's
presentation at 1300.
Blue skies!
Mark
Up, up and awaaay!
Looking forward to next week, one of the highlights of my flying year (the
Shelbyville gathering is the tops).
Earl
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From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Off to Sun n Fun |
Earl, Max, and all others,
I arrived at Sun N Fun yesterday afternoon and have the camp all set
up. Let me know when you guys are flying in and I will try to meet you in
the homebuilt parking area. Only five homebuilts here this morning - an RV-
4, RV-12, Kit Fox and two Velocities. The vintage parking area has about
the same number. Rest of the Sun N Fun area is busy with vendors setting
up.
Beautiful weather here.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 4/10/2010 8:58:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
EAFerguson(at)aol.com writes:
In a message dated 4/9/2010 3:34:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark(at)flylightning.net writes:
Just wanted to let the list know that we're off for Sun n Fun bright and
early tomorrow morning.
We hope to see all of our friends at the show and please don't forget the
gathering at the Lightning tent on Friday at 1100 followed by Nick's
presentation at 1300.
Blue skies!
Mark
Up, up and awaaay!
Looking forward to next week, one of the highlights of my flying year (the
Shelbyville gathering is the tops).
Earl
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Two more days before the official Sun N Fun start date. Beautiful day
today for the SYI crew to fly to Lakeland. They brought two Light Sport
Lightning LS-1s and five Jabirus. I am biased, but they are the best looking
airplanes here. Certainly no other Light Sport aircraft can come close.
Unfortunately I forgot to have my camera with me, so no arrival photos, but I
will take it tomorrow and get some shots of them setting up shop in their
booth and in the light sport mall.
The only slightly exciting event today was a Luscombe ground loop right in
front of all the SNF activities. Folded the right main and bent up the
right wing tip. What a bad place to do a bad thing. I feel sorry for the
unfortunate pilot. This happened just before the SYI gang was to arrive so
it delayed their arrival somewhat. In fact, due to the location of the
mishap, they all had to take the "Earl SNF Taxi Tour Route" to get to their
parking spaces.
I am not going to promise an email update every day, but will get at least
a few out. My main emphasis will be to get some good photos and info for
the May newsletter.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Subject: | Arrived in Lakeland |
From: | Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com> |
Hi all,
Well we're safe and sound in Lakeland. We had a great flight down, just
under 5 hours flight time. Here's a couple of pictures for you.
Mark
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Subject: | Re: Arrived in Lakeland |
Nice airborne pics. Glad you all arrived safely....Hope to see you on Wed
. Don't know yet if I'll be flyin or drivin...
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 11, 2010 4:19 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Arrived in Lakeland
Hi all,
Well we're safe and sound in Lakeland. We had a great flight down, just un
der 5 hours flight time. Here's a couple of pictures for you.
Mark
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From: | EAFerguson(at)aol.com |
Bear,
Please fly, don't drive. I don't want to be the only Lightning in the
Experimental park this year.
Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Right on, World Record Earl, you tell 'em. We need lots of Lightnings in
homebuilt parking. Heck, there are already at least two RV-12s.
Blue skies,
Buz
In a message dated 4/12/2010 8:45:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
EAFerguson(at)aol.com writes:
Bear,
Please fly, don't drive. I don't want to be the only Lightning in the
Experimental park this year.
Earl
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Sun N Fun Update |
All
Another nice day here at Lakeland Airport. Tomorrow is the opening
day for Sun N Fun, and if I had to guess, I would say the total number of
aircraft is down somewhat from the last few years. That is certainly the case
in Vintage parking and homebuilt parking. Haven't really looked at the
general aircraft parking areas.
The Lightning and Jabiru booths are all set up and I must say that the
three Lightnings now here are outstanding examples of EAB Lightnings and
the LS-1. In the main display Lightning booth is Jim Johannes' and Greg
Crouchley's EAB Lightnings, and in the Light Sport Mall is Ed Ryan's LS-1. Up
until this morning I had only seen photos of all three of these aircraft
and I must say that the photos did not do justice to these three beautiful
airplanes. All are outstanding examples of the Lightning. So a big salute
to Jim, Greg, Ed, and to the Tennessee bunch and the Green Landings gang
for their outstanding workmanship.
Also ran into Bill Strahan and his GPS partner, Walt, in exhibit
building E. They are here with their iFly 700 GPS that was featured in the
April Lightning Newsletter. Be sure to drop by their booth to say hello. For
those not thoroughly familiar with the Sun N Fun layout, there are four
exhibit buildings in a row (A-D). Exhibit building E is further north through
the trees towards the drive in camping area. That building used to be the
parts mart some years ago. And by the way, Greg Crouchley was apparently
their first official Sun N Fun customer, as he has bought one of their GPS
units and the show has not started yet. Super.
If you are here tomorrow, don't forget the Lightning forum at 1300 in
forum tent 11. Be there to cheer on Nick and Mark as they tap dance their
way into the hearts and minds of the sun n fun crowd.
Blue Skies,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Update |
In a message dated 4/12/2010 3:49:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
Be there to cheer on Nick and Mark as they tap dance their way into the
hearts and minds of the sun n fun crowd.
Notice I said tap dance, not LAP DANCE. But your mileage may vary.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Allan Maxwell <allanmaxe(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Update |
Buz send us some pictures of the lightnings and esquals there and I will se
nd you my painted parts so for Allan Maxwell Esqual LS or Light Sport
--- On Mon, 4/12/10, N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote:
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com <N1BZRich(at)aol.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update
Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 2:46 PM
All
----Another nice day here at Lakeland Airport.- Tomorrow is the o
pening day for Sun N Fun, and if I had to guess, I would say the total numb
er of aircraft is down somewhat from the last few years.- That is certain
ly the case in Vintage parking and homebuilt parking.- Haven't really loo
ked at the general aircraft parking areas.-
----The Lightning and Jabiru booths are all set up and I must say t
hat the three Lightnings now here are outstanding examples of EAB Lightning
s and the LS-1.- In the main display Lightning booth is Jim Johannes' and
Greg Crouchley's-EAB Lightnings, and in the Light Sport Mall is Ed Ryan'
s LS-1.- Up until this morning I had only seen photos of all three of the
se aircraft and I must say that the photos did not do justice to these thre
e beautiful airplanes. -All are outstanding examples of the Lightning.-
So a big salute to-Jim, Greg, Ed, and to the Tennessee bunch and the Gre
en Landings gang for their outstanding workmanship.-
----Also ran into Bill Strahan and his GPS partner, Walt,-in exhi
bit-building E.- They are here with their iFly 700 GPS that was feature
d in the April Lightning Newsletter.- Be sure to drop by their booth to s
ay hello.- For those not thoroughly familiar with the Sun N Fun layout, t
here are four exhibit buildings in a row (A-D).- Exhibit building E is fu
rther north through the trees towards the drive in camping area.- That bu
ilding used to be the parts mart some years ago.- And by the way, Greg Cr
ouchley was apparently their first official Sun N Fun customer, as he has b
ought one of their GPS units and the show has not started yet.- Super.
----If you are here tomorrow, don't forget the Lightning forum at 1
300 in forum tent 11.- Be there to cheer on Nick and Mark as they tap dan
ce their way into the hearts and minds of the sun n fun crowd.-
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Update |
I've seen their "Tennessee Waltz". Like Buz said you mileage may vary....
Big logistics issue for me flying there...hangar door is locked in the dow
n position. Looks like a lightning hit to the wiring. No hand crank avail
able and it's a BIG door...Probably Thursday before it can be fixed. Also
got a cnx from my buddy who is my ride form the grounds to the hotel. So
If I can get the hangar door up and fly over, I still can't get back and
forth to the hotel (12 miles away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler
than a 3....
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 3:52 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update
In a message dated 4/12/2010 3:49:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@
aol.com writes:
Be there to cheer on Nick and Mark as they tap dance their way into the he
arts and minds of the sun n fun crowd.
Notice I said tap dance, not LAP DANCE. But your mileage may vary.
Buz
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From: | Dustin Clowser <dustinclowser_1014(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Update |
304.904.3850=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "n5pb@a
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I've seen their "Tennessee Waltz".- Like Buz said you mileage may vary...
.=0A=0ABig logistics issue for me flying there...hangar door is locked in t
he down position.- Looks like a lightning hit to the wiring. No hand cran
k available and it's a BIG door...Probably Thursday before it can be fixed.
- Also got a cnx from my buddy who is my ride form the grounds to the hot
el.- So If I can get the hangar door up and fly over,-I still can't get
back and forth to the hotel (12 miles away...).- so it looks more like a
4 wheeler than a 3....=0A=0A=0ABear=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message---
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h(at)aol.com writes:=0ABe there to cheer on Nick and Mark as they tap dance th
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From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Update |
In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes:
Big logistics issue for me flying there...hangar door is locked in the
down position. Looks like a lightning hit to the wiring. No hand crank
available and it's a BIG door...Probably Thursday before it can be fixed. Also
got a cnx from my buddy who is my ride form the grounds to the hotel. So If
I can get the hangar door up and fly over, I still can't get back and
forth to the hotel (12 miles away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than
a 3....
Bear
A couple of well placed shaped charges should take care of this delay.
Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Update |
In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes:
I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles away...). so it
looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3....
P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel".
Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Allan Maxwell <allanmaxe(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | newly painted parts |
attached is pics of esqual paint job in progress.- will send more.=0A=0A
=0A
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Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Update |
Earl,
LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was in the
AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag?
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:23 am
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update
In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb@AOL.
COM writes:
I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles away...). so it
looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3....
P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel".
Earl
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From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Update |
In a message dated 4/12/2010 8:32:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
allanmaxe(at)yahoo.com writes:
Buz send us some pictures of the lightnings and esquals there
Allan,
So far no Lightnings or Esquals in the homebuilt parking area. Just
the Lightnings in the display areas. I will send some of those photos when
I get the time to download them from the camera to the computer.
Blue Skies,
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Update |
In a message dated 4/13/2010 9:53:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
n5pb(at)aol.com writes:
LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was in the
AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag?
Oh, if you were ex Army, you wouldn't need a sleeping bag, just a
trenching tool. The Navy term is not printable in polite company, ask me at SNF.
I
don't know the AF term, but Buz can advise.
Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Panel Planning Program |
From: | "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne(at)lpwa.net> |
Anyone aware of a free or low cost panel design program - one that is
easy to use and will produce CAD style drawings that can be used to cut
the panel?????
Wayne Patterson (Perth - Western Australia)
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
n5pb(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update
Earl,
LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was in
the AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag?
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:23 am
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update
In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes:
I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles
away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3....
P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel".
Earl
t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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From: | <scottarden(at)cox.net> |
Subject: | Re: Panel Planning Program |
I used the x-panel program. The boys in Shelbyville were supposed to send the drawings to them. You might check with them, but it is a GREAT program. Easy to use, has EVERYTHING you need and is only about $60! www.xpanelsoftware.com
--
Have a blessed day!
Scott C. Arden
---- Wayne Patterson wrote:
> Anyone aware of a free or low cost panel design program - one that is
> easy to use and will produce CAD style drawings that can be used to cut
> the panel?????
>
>
>
> Wayne Patterson (Perth - Western Australia)
>
>
>
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> n5pb(at)aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:39 AM
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update
>
>
>
> Earl,
>
> LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was in
> the AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag?
>
>
>
> Bear
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:23 am
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes:
>
> I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles
> away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3....
>
> P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel".
>
>
>
> Earl
>
>
>
> t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Test-please delete |
From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Another Award Winner |
From: | Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com> |
Just wanted to congratulate Jim Johannes on his win at Sun n Fun. Jim won
Reserve Grand Champion Light Sport Aircraft at this year's show.
Jim was kind enough to allow us to place his airplane in the booth along
with Greg Crouchley's Lightning from Green Landings, WV.
Congratulations Jim!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | EAFerguson(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Another Award Winner |
In a message dated 4/17/2010 10:07:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com writes:
Just wanted to congratulate Jim Johannes on his win at Sun n Fun. Jim won
Reserve Grand Champion Light Sport Aircraft at this year's show.
Jim was kind enough to allow us to place his airplane in the booth along
with Greg Crouchley's Lightning from Green Landings, WV.
Congratulations Jim!
Sorry I wasn't there for the big event. Congrats to Jim. It is a beautiful
job!
Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | A successful week so far.... |
From: | Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com> |
Hello to all,
Just wanted to let you all know that we've had a very successful week so far
at Sun n Fun.
We've sold 3 kits and 1 Lightning LS-1 so far this week. We still have one
more day to go.
Many thanks to all that were able to come out and visit the booth and share
their experiences with potential customers. You guys are the best! It is
you, our customers, that help to continue to sell airplanes! Also, many
thanks to Lynn Nelsen who generously allowed Nick to fly three demo flights
in his plane that resulted in two of our sales at the show.
We had a great "reunion" this past Friday. Look for more photos and a full
write up in the next newsletter.
We still have one more day and then we leave Monday for Shelbyville.
Blue skies to all!
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Another Award Winner |
Congratulations Jim, You have a beautiful plane. It's great to be part of
the Lightning community!!!
Glad to have met you and all the other folks on Friday.
Fly safely!
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Apr 17, 2010 10:02 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Another Award Winner
Just wanted to congratulate Jim Johannes on his win at Sun n Fun. Jim won
Reserve Grand Champion Light Sport Aircraft at this year's show.
Jim was kind enough to allow us to place his airplane in the booth along
with Greg Crouchley's Lightning from Green Landings, WV.
Congratulations Jim!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Another Award Winner |
Congratulations, Jim, great job. I feel sure the extra time and effort
you put in on the computerized builder's log was well worth the effort.
Little things like that are often the tie breakers. Good to finally meet you
and look forward to seeing you again at Oshkosh and the upcoming Lightning
Fly-In this coming Sept or Oct.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 4/17/2010 10:07:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com writes:
Just wanted to congratulate Jim Johannes on his win at Sun n Fun. Jim won
Reserve Grand Champion Light Sport Aircraft at this year's show.
Jim was kind enough to allow us to place his airplane in the booth along
with Greg Crouchley's Lightning from Green Landings, WV.
Congratulations Jim!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | N13LN famous..at least a little |
Check out www.bydanjohnson.com <http://www.bydanjohnson.com/> And scroll
down a bit to the SNF recap. Good picture of Lynns plane out at South
Lakeland for demo rides.thanks again.
Also notice we got mentioned in the sentence as the piper sport...the LS-1
was mentioned first as it should be.
Nick
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | EAFerguson(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re:Dan Johnson report |
In a message dated 4/21/2010 2:57:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lightning-list(at)matronics.com writes:
Check out www.bydanjohnson.com <http://www.bydanjohnson.com/> And scroll
down a bit to the SNF recap. Good picture of Lynns plane out at South
Lakeland for demo rides.thanks again.
Also notice we got mentioned in the sentence as the piper sport...the LS-1
was mentioned first as it should be.
Nick
Arion was mentioned more than once. Did you really sell 6 or 7 airplanes?
That made Arion the star of the show. I'm proud of ya!
Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Mark Stauffer" <mark(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Re:Dan Johnson report |
Unfortunately no. Dan got his numbers mixed up a little.
The official tally was three kits and one S-LSA. We are taking phone calls
though from people that met us at the show. Hopefully that will generate
some more sales.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
EAFerguson(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:53 AM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: Re:Dan Johnson report
In a message dated 4/21/2010 2:57:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lightning-list(at)matronics.com writes:
Check out www.bydanjohnson.com <http://www.bydanjohnson.com/> And
scroll
down a bit to the SNF recap. Good picture of Lynns plane out at South
Lakeland for demo rides.thanks again.
Also notice we got mentioned in the sentence as the piper sport...the
LS-1
was mentioned first as it should be.
Nick
Arion was mentioned more than once. Did you really sell 6 or 7 airplanes?
That made Arion the star of the show. I'm proud of ya!
Earl
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re:Dan Johnson report |
That is still a good show.
Earl
In a message dated 4/21/2010 1:05:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark(at)flylightning.net writes:
Unfortunately no. Dan got his numbers mixed up a little.
The official tally was three kits and one S-LSA. We are taking phone calls
though from people that met us at the show. Hopefully that will generate
some more sales.
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Simon Wilson" <simon(at)sertech.com.au> |
Subject: | Panel Planning Program |
Does anyone know if Arion have supplied panel data to x-panel?
Cheers
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of scottarden(at)cox.net
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Panel Planning Program
I used the x-panel program. The boys in Shelbyville were supposed to send the drawings to them. You might check with them, but it is a GREAT program. Easy to use, has EVERYTHING you need and is only about $60! www.xpanelsoftware.com
--
Have a blessed day!
Scott C. Arden
---- Wayne Patterson wrote:
> Anyone aware of a free or low cost panel design program - one that is
> easy to use and will produce CAD style drawings that can be used to cut
> the panel?????
>
>
>
> Wayne Patterson (Perth - Western Australia)
>
>
>
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> n5pb(at)aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:39 AM
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update
>
>
>
> Earl,
>
> LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was in
> the AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag?
>
>
>
> Bear
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:23 am
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes:
>
> I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles
> away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3....
>
> P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel".
>
>
>
> Earl
>
>
>
> t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Panel Planning Program |
Group,
I will get a Cad drawing of the panel face posted today just got to get it
from the avionics shop here.
Nick
Arion Aircraft, LLC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Wilson
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Panel Planning Program
Does anyone know if Arion have supplied panel data to x-panel?
Cheers
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
scottarden(at)cox.net
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Panel Planning Program
I used the x-panel program. The boys in Shelbyville were supposed to send
the drawings to them. You might check with them, but it is a GREAT program.
Easy to use, has EVERYTHING you need and is only about $60!
www.xpanelsoftware.com
--
Have a blessed day!
Scott C. Arden
---- Wayne Patterson wrote:
> Anyone aware of a free or low cost panel design program - one that is
> easy to use and will produce CAD style drawings that can be used to cut
> the panel?????
>
>
>
> Wayne Patterson (Perth - Western Australia)
>
>
>
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> n5pb(at)aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:39 AM
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update
>
>
>
> Earl,
>
> LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was in
> the AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag?
>
>
>
> Bear
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:23 am
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes:
>
> I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles
> away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3....
>
> P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel".
>
>
>
> Earl
>
>
>
> t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | curtis myers <myerscw2(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Panel Planning Program |
I sent a request to Nick to supply CAD file for the panel also. Not
sure if he has done it yet.
Curt
On Apr 22, 2010, at 7:51 AM, Simon Wilson wrote:
> >
>
> Does anyone know if Arion have supplied panel data to x-panel?
>
> Cheers
> Simon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of scottarden(at)cox.net
> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:40 PM
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Panel Planning Program
>
>
> I used the x-panel program. The boys in Shelbyville were supposed
> to send the drawings to them. You might check with them, but it is
> a GREAT program. Easy to use, has EVERYTHING you need and is only
> about $60! www.xpanelsoftware.com
> --
> Have a blessed day!
> Scott C. Arden
>
> ---- Wayne Patterson wrote:
>> Anyone aware of a free or low cost panel design program - one that is
>> easy to use and will produce CAD style drawings that can be used to
>> cut
>> the panel?????
>>
>>
>>
>> Wayne Patterson (Perth - Western Australia)
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> n5pb(at)aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 9:39 AM
>> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update
>>
>>
>>
>> Earl,
>>
>> LOL about the charges and the sleeping bag...don't forget now I was
>> in
>> the AF not the Army...What's a sleeping bag?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bear
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: EAFerguson(at)aol.com
>> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Tue, Apr 13, 2010 8:23 am
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Sun N Fun Update
>>
>> In a message dated 4/12/2010 9:57:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> n5pb(at)AOL.COM writes:
>>
>> I still can't get back and forth to the hotel (12 miles
>> away...). so it looks more like a 4 wheeler than a 3....
>>
>> P.S. Hotel?? Bring a sleeping bag and walk to thye "Hotel".
>>
>>
>>
>> Earl
>>
>>
>>
>> t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | FW: New Gear Lightning |
Dennis,
Here is a copy of an email I sent to ryan about the new gear sho0uld give a
good idea of how to install the torque supports.
Add to the center of the fuselage against the seat bulk head in the center;
8 layers 10oz glass 3" by 6" , than 2 layers 10oz glass 6" by 6" .; this
will build up the plys for the correct structure.
Nick
_____
From: flylightning [mailto:info(at)flylightning.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:55 PM
Subject: New Gear Lightning
Ryan,
Here are 2 good pictures of the landing gear. The first is head on , should
give a good idea of the difference in the stance and track. Second is the
upgrade to the box, similar to the old box just a different configuration.
The main reason for the change was the factory built LS-1, and the
possibility of it being in a flight school. The original gear is more than
sufficient for a current pilot. It was designed to be a good gear and be
lighter weight. We new the offset to this would be a gear that, should it
be dropped in hard could bend but not break. We designed it to do this so
the load would not transfer to the airframe and the only damage would be a
70 dollar gear leg.
The new gear design is only slightly heavier at about 2lbs a side so the
weight vs benefit in structure is reasonable. The new gear has a much
shallower angle than the old gear. This allow no increase in aircraft height
but a longer leg which can flex more and put up with abuse better, ie a
longer bending moment with more flex. The leg is larger at the top and
bottom than the old and incorporates multiple tapers to bend and flex
appropriately.
Drop test with the old gear showed what we thought, deformation of the gear
when a dead drop from 20" is performed. However the gear did not fail.
The new gear is ASTM compliant and went thru the above drop test with no
issue and several other drop situations and well. In fact due to our nature
( guys trying to break stuff) we dropped the new gear over a dozen times
from varying heights and never did it bend of fail in any way.
The new gear will eventually be added to the kit aircraft as well and the
old gear will be eliminated all together. For now the new gear design can be
part of a kit upon request. We have a few of the original gear boxes to use
and those will be supplied with kits until we are out or if the customer
specifically request the new design. Either way it is your choice.
Nick
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | A few more Lightnings in the Air. |
To Group,
N897PR has flow today at 4:20. This is an LS-1 that will be headed down to
Florida. All went well on the flight with some minor adjustment to come.
Just before the Flight I had a short conversation with Dennis from down
under and he reports a First flight yesterday on a new Aussie built
Lightning as well.
Will look for an update from him.
Hopefully mark will chime in and tell us what number Flying these are since
I can keep track!
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re:Dan Johnson report |
I think it is worth noting that the Lightning is probably one of the top
selling Light Sports other than Vans! (Vans is in a league of their own.
They cost about the same, take 3 times longer to build and are stuck with a
Rotax engine!!)
Rumor has it that Ryan at Green Landings has sold 5 kits since January,
the three kits plus S-LSA from Shelbyville and at least two kits to
Lightning Southwest make 10 kits in the last 3 months or so.
Rumor is that the next deliveries slots are in July, so things are picking
up!!!
Talking with other suppliers at Sun n Fun, it would appear that sales are
up a bit for Light Sport.
It was fun working in the Booth this year because at least 20 times a day
someone would come up and say, "WHAT A BEAUTIFUL AIRPLANE!"
Wonder what they said about some of the competition?
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 4/21/2010 1:05:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark(at)flylightning.net writes:
Unfortunately no. Dan got his numbers mixed up a little.
The official tally was three kits and one S-LSA. We are taking phone calls
though from people that met us at the show. Hopefully that will generate
some more sales.
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | FW: New Gear Lightning |
From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
Is that a red and white plane? All planes should be red and white!
Do you have the phrase 'bandy'in the US.. That's one 'bandy U/C', is it
a better ride?...... :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flylightning
Sent: 22 April 2010 22:12
Subject: Lightning-List: FW: New Gear Lightning
Dennis,
Here is a copy of an email I sent to ryan about the new gear sho0uld
give a good idea of how to install the torque supports.
Add to the center of the fuselage against the seat bulk head in the
center; 8 layers 10oz glass 3" by 6" , than 2 layers 10oz glass 6" by
6" .; this will build up the plys for the correct structure.
Nick
________________________________
From: flylightning [mailto:info(at)flylightning.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:55 PM
Subject: New Gear Lightning
Ryan,
Here are 2 good pictures of the landing gear. The first is head on ,
should give a good idea of the difference in the stance and track.
Second is the upgrade to the box, similar to the old box just a
different configuration.
The main reason for the change was the factory built LS-1, and the
possibility of it being in a flight school. The original gear is more
than sufficient for a current pilot. It was designed to be a good gear
and be lighter weight. We new the offset to this would be a gear that,
should it be dropped in hard could bend but not break. We designed it to
do this so the load would not transfer to the airframe and the only
damage would be a 70 dollar gear leg.
The new gear design is only slightly heavier at about 2lbs a side so the
weight vs benefit in structure is reasonable. The new gear has a much
shallower angle than the old gear. This allow no increase in aircraft
height but a longer leg which can flex more and put up with abuse
better, ie a longer bending moment with more flex. The leg is larger at
the top and bottom than the old and incorporates multiple tapers to
bend and flex appropriately.
Drop test with the old gear showed what we thought, deformation of the
gear when a dead drop from 20" is performed. However the gear did not
fail.
The new gear is ASTM compliant and went thru the above drop test with no
issue and several other drop situations and well. In fact due to our
nature ( guys trying to break stuff) we dropped the new gear over a
dozen times from varying heights and never did it bend of fail in any
way.
The new gear will eventually be added to the kit aircraft as well and
the old gear will be eliminated all together. For now the new gear
design can be part of a kit upon request. We have a few of the original
gear boxes to use and those will be supplied with kits until we are out
or if the customer specifically request the new design. Either way it is
your choice.
Nick
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Lightning Panel blank. |
Group,
Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded
pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and
autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel.
Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world
wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS
or some connector runs into them.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Lightning Panel blank. |
Hi Nick,
Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD 2
000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It wa
s nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun.
Regards,
Bernardo-Melendez, Realtor
Professional Real Estate Inspector ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
Mobile:-- 281.536.9052 Bernardo(at)AlianzaInspections.com
--- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote:
From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AGroup, =0A=0A - =0A=0APanel blank and
fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits=0Ainto a molded pod not a flat
straight back face. In general items like radios=0Aand autopilot must be mo
unted lower in the panel. =0A=0ARemember the Canopy tip up brackets as well
. The nicest=0Apanel in the world wont fit if you forget about those tip up
supports and the=0Aback of your EFIS or some connector runs into them. =0A
=0A - =0A=0ANick Otterback =0A=0AArion Aircraft, LLC =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Lightning Panel blank. |
Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing.
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Melendez, Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Hi Nick,
Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD
2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It
was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun.
Regards,
Bernardo Melendez, Realtor
Professional Real Estate Inspector
ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
Mobile: 281.536.9052
Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com>
--- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote:
From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM
Group,
Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded
pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and
autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel.
Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world
wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS
or some connector runs into them.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Lightning Panel blank. |
Bernardo,
I guess it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my computer opens it as a e-viewer
because I don't have CAD here.So should be able with an 04 or newer edition.
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing.
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Melendez, Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Hi Nick,
Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD
2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It
was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun.
Regards,
Bernardo Melendez, Realtor
Professional Real Estate Inspector
ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
Mobile: 281.536.9052
Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com>
--- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote:
From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM
Group,
Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded
pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and
autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel.
Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world
wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS
or some connector runs into them.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | <efontenot3(at)cox.net> |
Subject: | Lightning Panel blank. |
It is a 2004 version file. I opened it in AutoCAD and checked the version.
Earnie Fontenot
efontenot3(at)cox.net
---- flylightning wrote:
> Bernardo,
>
>
>
> I guess it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my computer opens it as a e-viewer
> because I don't have CAD here.So should be able with an 04 or newer edition.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:55 AM
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
>
>
>
> Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
> Melendez, Jr.
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
>
>
>
>
> Hi Nick,
> Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD
> 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It
> was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun.
> Regards,
>
> Bernardo Melendez, Realtor
> Professional Real Estate Inspector
>
> ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
>
> Mobile: 281.536.9052
>
> Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote:
>
>
> From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM
>
> Group,
>
>
>
> Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded
> pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and
> autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel.
>
> Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world
> wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS
> or some connector runs into them.
>
>
>
> Nick Otterback
>
> Arion Aircraft, LLC
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Lightning Panel blank. |
Thanks, Nick.
Regards,
Bernardo-Melendez
P.S. For your viewing pleasure, here's a pic of my current steed.
--- On Wed, 4/28/10, flylightning wrote:
From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 7:54 AM
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ALooks like and e-viewer
file sorry, I will=0Aget the Cad drawing. =0A=0A - =0A=0ANick =0A=0A -
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-lightning-list-server@matronic
s.com=0A[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ber
nard Melendez, Jr.
=0ASent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03=0APM
=0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASubject: Re: Lightning-List:=0ALightning Panel blank. =0A=0A=0A=0A -
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A Hi Nick,
=0A Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have Auto
CAD=0A 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatib
le. It was=0A nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun.
=0A Regards, =0A =0A Bernardo-Melendez,=0A Realtor
=0A Professional Real Estate Inspector =0A =0A =0A ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
=0A =0A =0A Mobile:-- 281.536.9052 =0A =0A =0A Bernardo@AlianzaIn
spections.com =0A =0A
=0A
=0A --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning =0A wrote:
=0A
=0A From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
=0A Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
=0A To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
=0A Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM =0A =0A =0A Group, =0A -
=0A Panel=0A blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a
molded pod not a=0A flat straight back face. In general items like radios
and autopilot must be=0A mounted lower in the panel. =0A Remember=0A th
e Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world wont fit if
=0A you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS or so
me=0A connector runs into them. =0A - =0A Nick=0A Otterback =0A Ario
n=0A Aircraft, LLC =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A - -http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matroni
cs.com/contribution - =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Lightning Panel blank. |
Nick,
Don't worry about it, I'll get a copy eventually. As I've always understood
it, AutoCAD newer versions should always be backwards compatible, all the
way to V.10. Oh, well...
Regards,
Bernardo
--- On Wed, 4/28/10, flylightning wrote:
From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 8:43 AM
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABernardo, =0A=0A =C2-
=0A=0AI guess it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my=0Acomputer opens it as a e
-viewer because I don=99t have CAD hereSo=0Ashould be able w
ith an 04 or newer edition. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ANick =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[
mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning
=0ASent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010=0A7:55 AM
=0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASubject: RE: Lightning-List:=0ALightning Panel blank. =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2
- =0A=0ALooks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will=0Aget the Cad drawing.
=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ANick =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:
=0Aowner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-lightning-list
-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr.
=0ASent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03=0APM
=0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASubject: Re: Lightning-List:=0ALightning Panel blank. =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2
- =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A Hi Nick,
=0A Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have Auto
CAD=0A 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatib
le. It was=0A nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun.
=0A Regards, =0A =0A Bernardo=C2-Melendez,=0A Realtor
=0A Professional Real Estate Inspector =0A =0A =0A ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
=0A =0A =0A Mobile:=C2-=C2- 281.536.9052 =0A =0A =0A Bernardo@Ali
anzaInspections.com =0A =0A
=0A
=0A --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning =0A wrote:
=0A
=0A From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
=0A Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
=0A To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
=0A Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM =0A =0A =0A Group, =0A =C2
- =0A Panel=0A blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits in
to a molded pod not a=0A flat straight back face. In general items like ra
dios and autopilot must be=0A mounted lower in the panel. =0A Remember=0A
the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world wont fi
t if=0A you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS o
r some=0A connector runs into them. =0A =C2- =0A Nick=0A Otterback
=0A Arion=0A Aircraft, LLC =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A =C2- =C2-http
://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List =C2-http://forums.matronics
.com =C2-http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Mefford, Walt" <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com> |
Subject: | Lightning Panel blank. |
Try .DXF format. This format will transfer to quite a variety of CAD
packages other than AutoCAD.
Walt Mefford
N881WP
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Melendez, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:42 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Nick,
Don't worry about it, I'll get a copy eventually. As I've always
understood it, AutoCAD newer versions should always be backwards
compatible, all the way to V.10. Oh, well...
Regards,
Bernardo
--- On Wed, 4/28/10, flylightning wrote:
From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 8:43 AM
Bernardo,
I guess it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my computer opens it as a
e-viewer because I don=99t have CAD hereSo should be able
with an 04 or newer edition.
Nick
________________________________
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flylightning
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing.
Nick
________________________________
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Melendez, Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Hi Nick,
Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have
AutoCAD 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's
incompatible. It was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun.
Regards,
Bernardo Melendez, Realtor
Professional Real Estate Inspector
ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
Mobile: 281.536.9052
Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com<http://alianzainspections.com>
--- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote:
From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM
Group,
Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a
molded pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios
and autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel.
Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the
world wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of
your EFIS or some connector runs into them.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Lightning Panel blank. |
Bernardo,
Very cool looks like a little fighter..like the paint job too.
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Melendez, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:01 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Thanks, Nick.
Regards,
Bernardo Melendez
P.S. For your viewing pleasure, here's a pic of my current steed.
--- On Wed, 4/28/10, flylightning wrote:
From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 7:54 AM
Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing.
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Melendez, Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Hi Nick,
Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD
2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It
was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun.
Regards,
Bernardo Melendez, Realtor
Professional Real Estate Inspector
ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
Mobile: 281.536.9052
Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com>
--- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote:
From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM
Group,
Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded
pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and
autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel.
Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world
wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS
or some connector runs into them.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Johnny Thompson" <8wn(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Lightning Panel blank. |
Earnie
Since you can open it could you save it in Auto Cad 2000 and send it to the
group. Thanks Johnny Thompson
----- Original Message -----
From: <efontenot3(at)cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
>
> It is a 2004 version file. I opened it in AutoCAD and checked the version.
>
> Earnie Fontenot
> efontenot3(at)cox.net
>
> ---- flylightning wrote:
>> Bernardo,
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my computer opens it as a e-viewer
>> because I don't have CAD here.So should be able with an 04 or newer
>> edition.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> flylightning
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:55 AM
>> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
>> Melendez, Jr.
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM
>> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Nick,
>> Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD
>> 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It
>> was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun.
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bernardo Melendez, Realtor
>> Professional Real Estate Inspector
>>
>> ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
>>
>> Mobile: 281.536.9052
>>
>> Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
>> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
>> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM
>>
>> Group,
>>
>>
>>
>> Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded
>> pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and
>> autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel.
>>
>> Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the
>> world
>> wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your
>> EFIS
>> or some connector runs into them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick Otterback
>>
>> Arion Aircraft, LLC
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Lightning Panel blank. |
Bernardo,
Very cool looks like a little fighter..like the paint job too.
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Melendez, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:01 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Thanks, Nick.
Regards,
Bernardo Melendez
P.S. For your viewing pleasure, here's a pic of my current steed.
--- On Wed, 4/28/10, flylightning wrote:
From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 7:54 AM
Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing.
Nick
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Melendez, Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Hi Nick,
Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD
2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It
was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun.
Regards,
Bernardo Melendez, Realtor
Professional Real Estate Inspector
ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
Mobile: 281.536.9052
Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com>
--- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote:
From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM
Group,
Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded
pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and
autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel.
Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the world
wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your EFIS
or some connector runs into them.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | <efontenot3(at)cox.net> |
Subject: | Lightning Panel blank. Acad 2000 version |
This should be in AutoCAD 2000 format.
Earnie Fontenot
---- Johnny Thompson <8wn(at)comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Earnie
> Since you can open it could you save it in Auto Cad 2000 and send it to the
> group. Thanks Johnny Thompson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <efontenot3(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:24 AM
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
>
>
> >
> > It is a 2004 version file. I opened it in AutoCAD and checked the version.
> >
> > Earnie Fontenot
> > efontenot3(at)cox.net
> >
> > ---- flylightning wrote:
> >> Bernardo,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I guess it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my computer opens it as a e-viewer
> >> because I don't have CAD here.So should be able with an 04 or newer
> >> edition.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >> flylightning
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:55 AM
> >> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Looks like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _____
> >>
> >> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
> >> Melendez, Jr.
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM
> >> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Nick,
> >> Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have AutoCAD
> >> 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incompatible. It
> >> was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun.
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Bernardo Melendez, Realtor
> >> Professional Real Estate Inspector
> >>
> >> ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
> >>
> >> Mobile: 281.536.9052
> >>
> >> Bernardo@AlianzaInspections.com <http://alianzainspections.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
> >> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
> >> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM
> >>
> >> Group,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits into a molded
> >> pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like radios and
> >> autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel.
> >>
> >> Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel in the
> >> world
> >> wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the back of your
> >> EFIS
> >> or some connector runs into them.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nick Otterback
> >>
> >> Arion Aircraft, LLC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Lightning Panel blank. |
Sexy looking bird, Walt. I like the silver on yellow. Congrats on a fine ex
ample. Hope mine looks as good when I build and finish it.
Thanks for the info on the file.
Regards,
Bernardo
--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Mefford, Walt wrote:
From: Mefford, Walt <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 10:57 AM
=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ATry .DXF format.=C2- This for
mat will transfer to quite a variety=0Aof CAD packages other than AutoCAD.
=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AWalt Mefford =0A=0AN881WP =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0AFro
m:=0Aowner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-lightning-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard=0AMelendez, Jr.
=0ASent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:42 AM
=0ATo: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASubject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2-
=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A Nick,
=0A Don't worry about it, I'll get a copy eventually. As I've always under
stood=0A it, AutoCAD newer versions should always be backwards compatible,
all the way=0A to V.10. Oh, well...
=0A Regards,
=0A Bernardo
=0A
=0A
=0A --- On Wed, 4/28/10, flylightning =0A wrote:
=0A
=0A From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
=0A Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
=0A To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
=0A Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 8:43 AM =0A =0A =0A Bernardo, =0A
=C2- =0A I guess=0A it is a CAD file from CAD2004, my computer opens i
t as a e-viewer because I=0A don=99t have CAD hereSo should
be able with an 04 or newer edition. =0A =C2- =0A Nick =0A =C2- =0A
=0A =0A =0A =0A From:=0A owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
=0A [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylig
htning
=0A Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:55 AM
=0A To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
=0A Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. =0A =0A =C2-
=0A Looks=0A like and e-viewer file sorry, I will get the Cad drawing.
=0A =C2- =0A Nick =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From:=0A owner-
lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard=0A Melendez, Jr.
=0A Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:03 PM
=0A To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
=0A Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank. =0A =0A =C2-
=0A =0A =0A =0A Hi=0A Nick,
=0A Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I have Au
toCAD=0A 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's incomp
atible. It=0A was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun.
=0A Regards, =0A =0A Bernardo=C2-Melendez,=0A Realtor
=0A Professional Real Estate Inspector =0A =0A =0A ALIANZA INSP
ECTIONS =0A =0A =0A Mobile:=C2-=C2-=0A 281.536.9052 =0A
=0A =0A Bernardo(at)AlianzaInspections.com =0A =0A
=0A
=0A --- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning =0A wrot
e: =0A
=0A From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
=0A Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
=0A To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
=0A Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM =0A =0A =0A Group,
=0A =C2- =0A Panel=0A blank and fuel console blank. Remember the
panel fits into a molded pod not=0A a flat straight back face. In gener
al items like radios and autopilot must=0A be mounted lower in the panel
. =0A Remember=0A the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest pane
l in the world wont fit=0A if you forget about those tip up supports and
the back of your EFIS or some=0A connector runs into them. =0A =C2
- =0A Nick=0A Otterback =0A Arion=0A Aircraft, LLC =0A =0A
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From: | "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
Nick
When anyone does something not so right I feel it "may" be wise to pass
it on.
today I was near Wolk field (Wi) and realised I had forgotten to lock my
right side fuel cap. Having gone 60 miles and blowing out 9 gal of fuel
into space it then got my attention. I am still hear to talk about it,
no fire and I made it back ok. When I realized the issue I drew the
fuel from the right tank and reduced airspead, this did stop fuel loss.
I have a habit of leaving my caps lose when topped in the hanger to stop
expansion of fuel to seals. I leave a "reminder" on the left wing but
forgot the right side,
good news is I walked the runway when I returned and found the cap near
the end of the runway where I would be at about 200 ft and about 80 mph.
??Dave Mcc, Esqual
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernard Melendez, Jr.
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
Hi Nick,
Is this an AutoCAD file? And if it is, what version is it? I
have AutoCAD 2000 loaded on my computer but cannot open it, says it's
incompatible. It was nice meeting you guys at Sun-n-Fun.
Regards,
Bernardo Melendez, Realtor
Professional Real Estate Inspector
ALIANZA INSPECTIONS
Mobile: 281.536.9052
Bernardo(at)AlianzaInspections.com
--- On Tue, 4/27/10, flylightning wrote:
From: flylightning <info(at)flylightning.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel blank.
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:00 PM
Group,
Panel blank and fuel console blank. Remember the panel fits
into a molded pod not a flat straight back face. In general items like
radios and autopilot must be mounted lower in the panel.
Remember the Canopy tip up brackets as well. The nicest panel
in the world wont fit if you forget about those tip up supports and the
back of your EFIS or some connector runs into them.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | May 2010 Lightning Newsletter |
All,
Once again. I am happy to announce that, right on schedule, the latest
issue of the Lightning Newsletter with Sun-N-Fun coverage is now posted on
the three websites that carry our newsletters. Go to one of these sites
to read the latest news:
_http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/)
_http://www.greenlandings.com/_ (http://www.greenlandings.com/)
_http://www.jimslightning.com/_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/)
Featured in this issue is Bill Browns' Lightning of the Month as well as
Sun-N-Fun coverage with many photos and comments.
Special recognition and congratulations go to two Lightning builders, Jim
Johannes and Steve Biele. Jim won Reserve Grand Champion for Light Sport
Aircraft at Sun-N-Fun and Steve won the Best Overall Aircraft at the recent
Australian NATFLY. Outstanding!
Also look for the latest factory news, another engine clinic article by
Pete Krotje, tech tips (one on aircraft brakes), and a flight safety article
on transition training. There are also inputs and photos from readers Ray
Gage and Allan Maxwell.
Please let me have some feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you for
content and on your comments for improvement.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: May 2010 Lightning Newsletter |
From: | Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
Great Newsletter, Buz, as usual!
"They have completed their demo Lightning, but still had a few wiring
connections to complete, so were not able to bring it to Lakeland. By the
time you are reading this, their airplane should be flying." - not yet, the
Eyjafjallajokull is to blame. Russian team of 12 or so only left on 28th
(flights cancelled and delayed due to that volcanic ash). And they were in
the hangar every day all day from the end of the Sun-n-Fun to their
departure. BBQ, taking the houseboat to the river (Gator wrestling anyone?)
and other non-airplane related activities. We've recovered from their stay
and working on the Lightning. Will post the pictures as soon as the N787FL
flies.
All the best,
Max
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:32 AM, wrote:
> All,
> Once again. I am happy to announce that, right on schedule, the latest
> issue of the Lightning Newsletter with Sun-N-Fun coverage is now posted on
> the three websites that carry our newsletters. Go to one of these sites to
> read the latest news:
>
> http://www.flylightning.net/
>
> http://www.greenlandings.com/
>
> http://www.jimslightning.com/
>
> Featured in this issue is Bill Browns' Lightning of the Month as well as
> Sun-N-Fun coverage with many photos and comments.
>
> Special recognition and congratulations go to two Lightning builders, Jim
> Johannes and Steve Biele. Jim won Reserve Grand Champion for Light Sport
> Aircraft at Sun-N-Fun and Steve won the Best Overall Aircraft at the recent
> Australian NATFLY. Outstanding!
>
> Also look for the latest factory news, another engine clinic article by
> Pete Krotje, tech tips (one on aircraft brakes), and a flight safety article
> on transition training. There are also inputs and photos from readers Ray
> Gage and Allan Maxwell.
>
> Please let me have some feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you for
> content and on your comments for improvement.
> Blue Skies,
> Buz Rich
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: May 2010 Lightning Newsletter |
From: | Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
Olena just noticed - the phone number for Moonshine Aviation in the
newsletter is wrong - the correct one is 386-873-9995
Thanks,
Max
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Maxim Voronin wrote:
> Great Newsletter, Buz, as usual!
>
> "They have completed their demo Lightning, but still had a few wiring
> connections to complete, so were not able to bring it to Lakeland. By the
> time you are reading this, their airplane should be flying." - not yet, the
> Eyjafjallajokull is to blame. Russian team of 12 or so only left on 28th
> (flights cancelled and delayed due to that volcanic ash). And they were in
> the hangar every day all day from the end of the Sun-n-Fun to their
> departure. BBQ, taking the houseboat to the river (Gator wrestling anyone?)
> and other non-airplane related activities. We've recovered from their stay
> and working on the Lightning. Will post the pictures as soon as the N787FL
> flies.
> All the best,
>
> Max
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:32 AM, wrote:
>
>> All,
>> Once again. I am happy to announce that, right on schedule, the latest
>> issue of the Lightning Newsletter with Sun-N-Fun coverage is now posted on
>> the three websites that carry our newsletters. Go to one of these sites to
>> read the latest news:
>>
>> http://www.flylightning.net/
>>
>> http://www.greenlandings.com/
>>
>> http://www.jimslightning.com/
>>
>> Featured in this issue is Bill Browns' Lightning of the Month as well as
>> Sun-N-Fun coverage with many photos and comments.
>>
>> Special recognition and congratulations go to two Lightning builders, Jim
>> Johannes and Steve Biele. Jim won Reserve Grand Champion for Light Sport
>> Aircraft at Sun-N-Fun and Steve won the Best Overall Aircraft at the recent
>> Australian NATFLY. Outstanding!
>>
>> Also look for the latest factory news, another engine clinic article by
>> Pete Krotje, tech tips (one on aircraft brakes), and a flight safety article
>> on transition training. There are also inputs and photos from readers Ray
>> Gage and Allan Maxwell.
>>
>> Please let me have some feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you for
>> content and on your comments for improvement.
>> Blue Skies,
>> Buz Rich
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: May 2010 Lightning Newsletter |
Got it, thanks. Have updated the list for the next newsletter.
Buz
In a message dated 4/30/2010 7:32:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
voroninmax(at)gmail.com writes:
the correct one is 386-873-9995
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | A Lightning Takes to the Skies! |
To Group,
While we here in TN are busy using Canoes and Swamp boats to get to work (
see weather news for Nashville) Dave Jalanti up in NY has been busy flying
his LS-1. Yes I said LS-1, a non factory built one making it the First
flying E-LSA Lightning. Other than a report of its first flight and some
questions about adjustment I believe all is going well. Hopefully we will
get a report as soon as Dave stops Flying for a while!
Nick
Arion Aircraft, LLC
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
I got tired of experimenting with the Rotec. It seems like it's a very nice piece
of hardware, but I had spent so many hours trying to get it working better
than the Bing that I found myself missing that other thing I used to do with
my spare time...it's called FLYING!
So while part of me feels the Rotec has potential to be a better solution than
the Bing I don't think I'll be the person to tap that potential. Last week I
removed the Rotec and began the tedious process of removing all the controls and
restoring as close as possible the original configuration of the intake system.
I was suprised when the engine fired right up and idled as smooth as could be.
An hour of running, checking for any loose fittings, double checking to make
sure nothing was rubbing anywhere in the engine compartment or under the panel
and I put the cowling back on and went flying.
It felt wonderful. I still hate seeing the wide spread between EGTs when running
full throttle but I can throttle back to about 145-150 mph and get them nice
and even and then lean further with the Hacman.
So at this point I'm tired of jacking with the engine. Any improvements in performance
will be from aerodynamic changes. Flap bracket fairings are high on
the list, and at some point I'll start playing with the cowling.
But I also need to address the landing gear shimmy when slowing down after landing
first. I've seen discussion of balancing the tires, but the ride is so smooth
at speed that I find that unlikely. There's only one speed, probably between
20 and 30 mph, which causes the shimmy.
I've seen discussion on this topic, but nothing definitive. Go the RV route and
stiffen the gear fore/aft? Thoughts?
Glad to be back in the air,
Bill
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297162#297162
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: 7RW flies again |
Bill, glad you're back in the air again!
It was nice to see you at SNF and also to check out the IFLY GPS 700...i'm
having alot of fun wiht it. For now, It's really being used as a flight
planning tool the night prior to the flight and a back up system in the
cockpit (Since I have internal GPS) in case I have an electrical falure.
It sure is a pleasure to use though.
I too am working on getting all the little "distractors" resolved in my je
t. The gear shimmy is one I'm working on now. I downloaded all the previ
ous discussions in the newsletters (thanks bo Buz and the gang for publish
ing, editing and indexing).It was easy to pull specific info on it again.
You may be right on the balancing, however, that's going to be my starting
point. Then it's air pressure, wheel pants on/off...and anything else as
I travel on down the runway....
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Strahan <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 2:24 am
Subject: Lightning-List: 7RW flies again
I got tired of experimenting with the Rotec. It seems like it's a very ni
ce
iece of hardware, but I had spent so many hours trying to get it working
better
han the Bing that I found myself missing that other thing I used to do wit
h my
pare time...it's called FLYING!
So while part of me feels the Rotec has potential to be a better solution
than
he Bing I don't think I'll be the person to tap that potential. Last week
I
emoved the Rotec and began the tedious process of removing all the control
s and
estoring as close as possible the original configuration of the intake sys
tem.
was suprised when the engine fired right up and idled as smooth as could
be.
n hour of running, checking for any loose fittings, double checking to mak
e
ure nothing was rubbing anywhere in the engine compartment or under the pa
nel
nd I put the cowling back on and went flying.
It felt wonderful. I still hate seeing the wide spread between EGTs when
unning full throttle but I can throttle back to about 145-150 mph and get
them
ice and even and then lean further with the Hacman.
So at this point I'm tired of jacking with the engine. Any improvements
in
erformance will be from aerodynamic changes. Flap bracket fairings are hi
gh on
he list, and at some point I'll start playing with the cowling.
But I also need to address the landing gear shimmy when slowing down after
anding first. I've seen discussion of balancing the tires, but the ride
is so
mooth at speed that I find that unlikely. There's only one speed, probabl
y
etween 20 and 30 mph, which causes the shimmy.
I've seen discussion on this topic, but nothing definitive. Go the RV rou
te and
tiffen the gear fore/aft? Thoughts?
Glad to be back in the air,
Bill
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297162#297162
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From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: 7RW flies again |
Bill,
We appreciate your experimenting and passing the results on to the
list. Sorry the Rotec didn't work out, but maybe you can try a fuel injection
system next. Helmut in Australia is working on an electronic fuel
injection for the Jabiru 3300 and has promised to share his results with us at
some point in the future. Until them, have fun with your jet.
By the way, good seeing you at SNF. Every time I came by your booth,
you both seemed to have lots of people crowded around asking questions.
Hope you sold lots of iFly 700s.
Buz
In a message dated 5/9/2010 2:25:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bill(at)gdsx.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Bill Strahan" _bill(at)gdsx.com_
(mailto:bill(at)gdsx.com)
I got tired of experimenting with the Rotec. It seems like it's a very
nice piece of hardware, but I had spent so many hours trying to get it
working better than the Bing that I found myself missing that other thing I used
to do with my spare time...it's called FLYING!
So while part of me feels the Rotec has potential to be a better solution
than the Bing I don't think I'll be the person to tap that potential. Last
week I removed the Rotec and began the tedious process of removing all the
controls and restoring as close as possible the original configuration of
the intake system.
I was suprised when the engine fired right up and idled as smooth as could
be. An hour of running, checking for any loose fittings, double checking
to make sure nothing was rubbing anywhere in the engine compartment or
under the panel and I put the cowling back on and went flying.
It felt wonderful. I still hate seeing the wide spread between EGTs when
running full throttle but I can throttle back to about 145-150 mph and get
them nice and even and then lean further with the Hacman.
So at this point I'm tired of jacking with the engine. Any improvements
in performance will be from aerodynamic changes. Flap bracket fairings are
high on the list, and at some point I'll start playing with the cowling.
But I also need to address the landing gear shimmy when slowing down after
landing first. I've seen discussion of balancing the tires, but the ride
is so smooth at speed that I find that unlikely. There's only one speed,
probably between 20 and 30 mph, which causes the shimmy.
I've seen discussion on this topic, but nothing definitive. Go the RV
route and stiffen the gear fore/aft? Thoughts?
Glad to be back in the air,
Bill
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297162#297162
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: 7RW flies again |
From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
It was great putting faces with names while at Sun & Fun! It was fun to be at
the show but I really missed getting out and just enjoying the event. We had
a phenomenal response to the GPS.
I've read about a couple of fuel injected Jabirus with great interest. I absolutely
LOVE how smooth the engine is, and in fact like everything about it except
the poor fuel distribution at full throttle. Part of it has to be how close
the carb is to the split to the individual cylinders. Fuel injection would
solve that problem.
Having taken 7RW up to 17,500 now I'm convinced the true potential of the airframe
for cross country travel can't be realized without the ability to run full
throttle with even distribution of fuel. It's not as critical down low where
75% power is attained at much less than full throttle. Above about 8,000' full
throttle is needed, and above about 13,000 the engine runs rough at full throttle.
At 15,000' with the throttle pulled back to the point that the EGTs are fairly
even I'm in "Prius Lightning" mode where I get phenomenal efficiency but only
going about 135 mph.
Bill
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297190#297190
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: 7RW flies again |
In a message dated 5/9/2010 3:16:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bill(at)gdsx.com writes:
Having taken 7RW up to 17,500 now I'm convinced the true potential of the
airframe for cross country travel can't be realized without the ability to
run full throttle with even distribution of fuel. It's not as critical
down low where 75% power is attained at much less than full throttle. Above
about 8,000' full throttle is needed, and above about 13,000 the engine runs
rough at full throttle.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: 7RW flies again |
In a message dated 5/9/2010 3:16:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bill(at)gdsx.com writes:
Having taken 7RW up to 17,500 now I'm convinced the true potential of the
airframe for cross country travel can't be realized without the ability to
run full throttle with even distribution of fuel. It's not as critical
down low where 75% power is attained at much less than full throttle. Above
about 8,000' full throttle is needed, and above about 13,000 the engine runs
rough at full throttle.
Bill,
It has been a while since my phase one testing (some 650 hours ago)
but I had 31BZ up to 16,000 and had no problem with the engine running smooth
at that altitude. I still had a 200 foot per minute rate of climb up
there, so just decided my max altitude would be 18000. My feet were too cold
to
try to go higher.
I have not been that high since, but often cruise as high as 14,500 on
a long cross country (yes, I have Oxygen) and again, no problem with the
engine not running smooth at those altitudes. However, it is obvious that
the Bing is not leaning enough at those altitudes. I have also had the
prototype to 14,000 on several occasions, again with no rough running engine.
So there might be something else going on with your engine other than the
Bing carb to cause the rough running above 13000. At those altitudes I
normally see true airspeed cruise speeds between 165 and 170 mph and fuel
burns average out to about 5.8 gph.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: 7RW flies again |
From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
Hmmm. The rough running only occurs at full throtle at those altitudes. And I
haven't had it that high since I got all reinstalled. I've done over 180 straight
and level at 14,500 but that was burning much more than you were. By the
time I throttle back enough to get nice even EGTs I'm going a lot slower, but
fuel burn is less than 4 gph.
Do you have the long or short wingtips on your plane?
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297209#297209
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: 7RW flies again |
In a message dated 5/9/2010 8:31:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bill(at)gdsx.com writes:
Do you have the long or short wingtips on your plane?
I have the medium tips. Sorry, couldn't resist that. Remember I don't
have a Lightning - it is a highly modified Esqual (Lightning cowling, etc.).
The wings are about halfway between the short and the long Lightning.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Another flight ticked off my to-do list |
From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
Great to hear all the news about SnF, pushed me to book up for
Airventure so maybe see some of you there.
Not really relevant to the list but can't resist sending out a few of
the pics from last weeks trip with the family. The biggest hill in the
UK would fit inside the canyon.
Getting checked out over the Hoover dam was one checkout that I didn't
mind doing. The guy was an ex tour pilot so briefed me on where all the
choppers and fixed wing tour planes would be over the dam and the
Canyon. Landed at Canyon West and did the ground tour at $75 for a 1/4
mile bus ride and a peer over the edge to see the Colorado at it's
muddiest, the other option was $100 a passenger landing fee so we took
the local indian tribes cheaper option.....
My Esqual is fast becoming an LS as I should get the cowlings back (with
red bottom, red pants and leg fairlings) this week, also one of the
hangar queens has gone so I have space to put the wings back on.
The rebuild will be the easy bit, the paperwork the challenge.
Regards, Clive
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Brian Whittingham <dashvii(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Another flight ticked off my to-do list |
Clive=2C As a young guy=2C may I say that those photos are totally sick!
(That's a good thing by the way!) Thanks for sharing=2C looks like a blas
t! Brian W.
Subject: Lightning-List: Another flight ticked off my to-do list
Date: Mon=2C 10 May 2010 21:23:01 +0100
From: clive.james(at)uk.bp.com
Great
to hear all the news about SnF=2C pushed me to book up for Airventure so ma
ybe see
some of you there.
Not really relevant to the list but can't
resist sending out a few of the pics from last weeks trip with the family.
The
biggest hill in the UK would fit inside the canyon.
Getting checked out over the Hoover dam was one
checkout that I didn't mind doing. The guy was an ex tour pilot so briefed
me on where all the choppers and fixed wing tour planes would be over the d
am
and the Canyon. Landed at Canyon West and did the ground tour at $75
for a 1/4 mile bus ride and a peer over the edge to see the Colorado at it'
s
muddiest=2C the other option was $100 a passenger landing fee so we took th
e local
indian tribes cheaper option.....
My
Esqual is fast becoming an LS as I should get the cowlings back (with red
bottom=2C red pants and leg fairlings) this week=2C also one of the hangar
queens
has gone so I have space to put the wings back on.
The
rebuild will be the easy bit=2C the paperwork the challenge.
Regards=2C Clive
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From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net> |
Clive, outstanding pictures! Cant wait to do it myself. Thanks for
showing us the trip. Tex
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Lightnings on the Web. |
Dan Johnson has got a write up of the Award winners from Sun N Fun. Many of
you may know the Jim Johannes EAB Lightning From AL won Reserve Grand
Champion Light Sport this year. There is mention of the plane and Jim on the
home page and a link to EAAs website where you can find a pictures of this
beautiful Lightning.
As a Side note the first picture is one as an example of a Lightning, that
one is Wayne's from AZ.
Nick
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Another flight ticked off my to-do list |
Clive,
Great write up and photos about your Hoover Dam, Lake Mead, and Vegas
trip. And I sure do hope you can make Oshkosh - and bring your bride. I
will be there again working in the Vintage area but will also spend some
time at the Lightning booth. I normally get to OSH about ten days before the
show starts and stay for the entire time.
By the say, your write up and photos about your England flight to
Cornwall, Boscastle, & Cereman will be in the June Newsletter. May got to be
too big with all the Sun N Fun coverage.
Send some more photos when you get your Esqual LS back in the air.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 5/10/2010 4:42:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
clive.james(at)uk.bp.com writes:
Great to hear all the news about SnF, pushed me to book up for Airventure
so maybe see some of you there.
Not really relevant to the list but can't resist sending out a few of the
pics from last weeks trip with the family. The biggest hill in the UK would
fit inside the canyon.
Getting checked out over the Hoover dam was one checkout that I didn't
mind doing. The guy was an ex tour pilot so briefed me on where all the
choppers and fixed wing tour planes would be over the dam and the Canyon. Landed
at Canyon West and did the ground tour at $75 for a 1/4 mile bus ride and a
peer over the edge to see the Colorado at it's muddiest, the other option
was $100 a passenger landing fee so we took the local indian tribes cheaper
option.....
My Esqual is fast becoming an LS as I should get the cowlings back (with
red bottom, red pants and leg fairlings) this week, also one of the hangar
queens has gone so I have space to put the wings back on.
The rebuild will be the easy bit, the paperwork the challenge.
Regards, Clive
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Another flight ticked off my to-do list |
From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
We're flying into CHI on the 19th and hope to pick a plane up from
Outgamie 20th, that is if there's one to rent (or somewhere else). Then
do some flying around the lakes and into Canada, over Meigs to stick a
finger up to the Mayor, end up back in Appleton to see the first two
days at Airventure before we head back to Chicago and then onto
Washington for a few days before returning home.
Need to get OSH into my logbook so will proably fly over before we go
'on tour' or maybe the weekend before it starts so will let you know
when. Shirley's coming which is why only two days at the show.... Don't
want to spoil her!
Figured a bit of American history to finish the trip off at Washington.
Tail went on last night heading to hangar again in a moment.
Regards, Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: 12 May 2010 18:21
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Another flight ticked off my to-do list
Clive,
Great write up and photos about your Hoover Dam, Lake Mead, and
Vegas trip. And I sure do hope you can make Oshkosh - and bring your
bride. I will be there again working in the Vintage area but will also
spend some time at the Lightning booth. I normally get to OSH about ten
days before the show starts and stay for the entire time.
By the say, your write up and photos about your England flight to
Cornwall, Boscastle, & Cereman will be in the June Newsletter. May got
to be too big with all the Sun N Fun coverage.
Send some more photos when you get your Esqual LS back in the air.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 5/10/2010 4:42:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
clive.james(at)uk.bp.com writes:
Great to hear all the news about SnF, pushed me to book up for
Airventure so maybe see some of you there.
Not really relevant to the list but can't resist sending out a
few of the pics from last weeks trip with the family. The biggest hill
in the UK would fit inside the canyon.
Getting checked out over the Hoover dam was one checkout that I
didn't mind doing. The guy was an ex tour pilot so briefed me on where
all the choppers and fixed wing tour planes would be over the dam and
the Canyon. Landed at Canyon West and did the ground tour at $75 for a
1/4 mile bus ride and a peer over the edge to see the Colorado at it's
muddiest, the other option was $100 a passenger landing fee so we took
the local indian tribes cheaper option.....
My Esqual is fast becoming an LS as I should get the cowlings
back (with red bottom, red pants and leg fairlings) this week, also one
of the hangar queens has gone so I have space to put the wings back on.
The rebuild will be the easy bit, the paperwork the challenge.
Regards, Clive
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Another flight ticked off my to-do list |
OK, great, Clive. I will already be at Oshkosh when you fly into Chicago
on the 19th, so if you rent a plane and decide to fly into OSH before the
show starts, I will be working in the Vintage area. Otherwise, I look
forward to meeting you and Shirley on day one or two of the show at the
Lightning booth.
Keep up posted on the modifications and progress.
Buz
In a message dated 5/13/2010 4:32:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
clive.james(at)uk.bp.com writes:
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "James, Clive R"
We're flying into CHI on the 19th and hope to pick a plane up from
Outgamie 20th, that is if there's one to rent (or somewhere else). Then
do some flying around the lakes and into Canada, over Meigs to stick a
finger up to the Mayor, end up back in Appleton to see the first two
days at Airventure before we head back to Chicago and then onto
Washington for a few days before returning home.
Need to get OSH into my logbook so will proably fly over before we go
'on tour' or maybe the weekend before it starts so will let you know
when. Shirley's coming which is why only two days at the show.... Don't
want to spoil her!
Figured a bit of American history to finish the trip off at Washington.
Tail went on last night heading to hangar again in a moment.
Regards, Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich(at)aol.com
Sent: 12 May 2010 18:21
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Another flight ticked off my to-do list
Clive,
Great write up and photos about your Hoover Dam, Lake Mead, and
Vegas trip. And I sure do hope you can make Oshkosh - and bring your
bride. I will be there again working in the Vintage area but will also
spend some time at the Lightning booth. I normally get to OSH about ten
days before the show starts and stay for the entire time.
By the say, your write up and photos about your England flight to
Cornwall, Boscastle, & Cereman will be in the June Newsletter. May got
to be too big with all the Sun N Fun coverage.
Send some more photos when you get your Esqual LS back in the air.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 5/10/2010 4:42:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
clive.james(at)uk.bp.com writes:
Great to hear all the news about SnF, pushed me to book up for
Airventure so maybe see some of you there.
Not really relevant to the list but can't resist sending out a
few of the pics from last weeks trip with the family. The biggest hill
in the UK would fit inside the canyon.
Getting checked out over the Hoover dam was one checkout that I
didn't mind doing. The guy was an ex tour pilot so briefed me on where
all the choppers and fixed wing tour planes would be over the dam and
the Canyon. Landed at Canyon West and did the ground tour at $75 for a
1/4 mile bus ride and a peer over the edge to see the Colorado at it's
muddiest, the other option was $100 a passenger landing fee so we took
the local indian tribes cheaper option.....
My Esqual is fast becoming an LS as I should get the cowlings
back (with red bottom, red pants and leg fairlings) this week, also one
of the hangar queens has gone so I have space to put the wings back on.
The rebuild will be the easy bit, the paperwork the challenge.
Regards, Clive
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
Hey, now we can play with the cool kids!
She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to update the post
with some pics tomorrow morning.
All the best,
Max
P.S. Fuuuuuuun!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: N787FL flies |
WAY to GO, Max
Lynn
In a message dated 5/19/2010 6:44:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
voroninmax(at)gmail.com writes:
Hey, now we can play with the cool kids!
She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to update the post
with some pics tomorrow morning.
All the best,
Max
P.S. Fuuuuuuun!
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: N787FL flies |
Congratulations Maximus.
I await my kit and engine and hope to get mine airborne as soon after as I can.
Good work.
Send pics.
Regards,
Bernardo Melendez
--- On Wed, 5/19/10, Maxim Voronin wrote:
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: N787FL flies
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 5:43 PM
Hey, now we can play with the cool kids!
She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to update the post with
some pics tomorrow morning.
All the best,
Max
P.S. Fuuuuuuun!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: N787FL flies |
SUPER! Congratulations to Max and Olena for this great achievement. I am
looking forward to seeing you both and 787FL at Oshkosh.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 5/19/2010 6:44:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
voroninmax(at)gmail.com writes:
Hey, now we can play with the cool kids!
She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to update the post
with some pics tomorrow morning.
All the best,
Max
P.S. Fuuuuuuun!
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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Subject: | Re: N787FL flies |
From: | Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
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Subject: | Re: N787FL flies |
Max and Olena,
Congratulations on your new "Jet"!!! Looking forward to the pics.
Bear
N82PB
-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 6:43 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: N787FL flies
Hey, now we can play with the cool kids!
She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to update the post
with some pics tomorrow morning.
All the best,
Max
P.S. Fuuuuuuun!
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Subject: | Re: N787FL flies |
Great looking plane. Pics are very nice. The interior is very well done.
Contratulations again.
I Will have to come over and visit one Saturday..
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N787FL flies
Here are some pictures -
Interior has been customized for a throttle quadrant, and the panel is
twin Dynon Skyview 10" installation.
..last but not least - what's better to see taxiing after the first flight
.
All the best,
Max
n Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:22 PM, wrote:
SUPER! Congratulations to Max and Olena for this great achievement. I
am
looking forward to seeing you both and 787FL at Oshkosh.
Blue Skies,
Buz
In a message dated 5/19/2010 6:44:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
voroninmax(at)gmail.com writes:
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She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to update the pos
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Max
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Subject: | Re: N787FL flies |
From: | Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
They are in the previous message, Bear.
Thank you much! She's fun to fly :)
On May 20, 2010 8:06 PM, wrote:
Max and Olena,
Congratulations on your new "Jet"!!! Looking forward to the pics.
Bear
N82PB
-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 6:43 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: N787FL flies
Hey, now we can play with the cool kids!
She flies straight and smooth, a real joy. I'll be sure to ...
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Subject: | Re: N787FL flies |
From: | Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
Please do! Would be very nice to have you and other Florida guys over.
Anytime, that is, and not excluisive to the Florida guys.
Max
On May 20, 2010 8:10 PM, wrote:
Great looking plane. Pics are very nice. The interior is very well done.
Contratulations again.
I Will have to come over and visit one Saturday..
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N787FL flies
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From: | "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne(at)lpwa.net> |
Where you got your circuit breakers Max ........
Wayne Patterson
LOUGHTON PATTERSON GROUP
PO Box 398 South Perth 6951
08 94742126
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Maxim
Voronin
Sent: Friday, 21 May 2010 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N787FL flies
They are in the previous message, Bear.
Thank you much! She's fun to fly :)
On May 20, 2010 8:06 PM, wrote:
Max and Olena,
Congratulations on your new "Jet"!!! Looking forward to the
pics.
Bear
N82PB
-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com>
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 6:43 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: N787FL flies
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Subject: | Re: N787FL flies |
From: | Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
Don't have any - that black box at the bottom of the radio stack is the
Vertical Power solid state electric system - that's my switches, breakers,
two-speed trim and wigiwag all in one.
On May 20, 2010 8:24 PM, "Wayne Patterson" wrote:
Where you got your circuit breakers Max =85=85..
Wayne Patterson
LOUGHTON PATTERSON GROUP
PO Box 398 South Perth 6951
08 94742126
*From:* owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Maxim Voronin
*Sent:* Friday, 21 May 2010 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N787FL flies
They are in the previous message, Bear.
Thank you much! She's fun to fly :)
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> Congratulations on your n...
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From: | "Wayne Patterson" <Wayne(at)lpwa.net> |
Great idea - I like it. Anything to keep the panel clear and simple.
I'm slogging away in my garage in Perth Australia. We have 4 Lightning
kits at our local club - in various stages of completion - and we try to
stay open to ideas. Will research this one ..............
Wayne Patterson
LOUGHTON PATTERSON GROUP
PO Box 398 South Perth 6951
08 94742126
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Maxim
Voronin
Sent: Friday, 21 May 2010 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Lightning-List: N787FL flies
Don't have any - that black box at the bottom of the radio stack is the
Vertical Power solid state electric system - that's my switches,
breakers, two-speed trim and wigiwag all in one.
On May 20, 2010 8:24 PM, "Wayne Patterson"
wrote:
Where you got your circuit breakers Max ........
Wayne Patterson
LOUGHTON PATTERSON GROUP
PO Box 398 South Perth 6951
08 94742126
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Maxim Voronin
Sent: Friday, 21 May 2010 8:10 AM
To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N787FL flies
They are in the previous message, Bear.
Thank you much! She's fun to fly :)
>
> On May 20, 2010 8:06 PM, wrote:
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> Max and Olena,
>
> Congratulations on your n...
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From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: N787FL flies |
Max,
Where are you based?
Earl Ferguson
FTY - Atlanta
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Subject: | Re: N787FL flies |
From: | Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Earl,
Southwest part of KDED.
917 Biscayne Blvd Ste 5, DeLand, FL 32724.
50 yards NW from the Tomcat.
Phone number is 386 873 9995
On May 22, 2010 6:20 AM, wrote:
Max,
Where are you based?
Earl Ferguson
FTY - Atlanta
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From: | "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj(at)frontiernet.net> |
Max, could you send the pictures again, I lost them before I could show
them to a freind. Tex
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From: | Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
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From: | "Ratherfly" <longmeadowfarm(at)AOL.COM> |
Is that the airplane that I saw when I visited the Jabiru people at KSYI, Shelbyville,
TN?
I went down to visit my friends in TN and they took me out to visit the Jabiru
folk. Great operation. There was a very fast, very efficient airplane there
that caught my eye...
I *think* it was a Lightning. Not sure.
Anyway, that's not why I'm here.
What I would like to do is introduce you to a beautiful property that is for sale
by owner. The friends I visited...
their home/hangar/airstrip is for sale in Bell Buckle, TN. TN65 is the identifier
on the Atlanta Sectional chart.
If you, or anyone you know, are interested...
please visit: http://tinyurl.com/ownyourdream
There you will find many photos and all the pertinent details regarding this pilot's
paradise.
Blue Skies,
Tina
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Subject: | Wheel Balancing results within the week... |
From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
Just got my universal wheel balancer for motorcycle wheels. Tapered cones allow
it to work with any wheel up to 1.5" axle.
http://www.marcparnes.com/Universal_Motorcycle_Wheel_Balancer.htm
It's very sensitive. Thumb screws secure the cones, and if both thumb screws are
on the same side, the balancer will slowly rotate until they're at the bottom.
I have flights scheduled for Sunday and Monday I'll be doing Murph* for Memorial
Day. But by the middle of the week I should have the wheels balanced and can
report on how that affects the shimmy after landing.
*Murph: Run a mile, do 100 pullups, 200 pushups, and 300 squats...then run another
mile. Last year was just over 57 minutes, this time shooting for sub 50.
Google "Memorial Day Murph" if curious.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299227#299227
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Subject: | Re: Wheel Balancing results within the week... |
Bill,
I've gone the "Dyna Beads" route. They are sold by Innovative balancing
www.innovativebalancing.com They are very inexpensive (I mean $3 bucks
or so for an ounce) and dynamically balance your tires whenever they are
in motion. A friend put them into his tires (tubes) and his shimmy went
away. On the lightning tires you would only use an ounce in the nose whe
el and 1.5 - 2.0 ounces in the mains.
I'm putting them in one tire at a time to see which tire, if any stops shi
mmying. Installation was a breeze even with the 90 valve stem.
Right now the nose tire has them in it, but I haven't flown taxied it yet.
.honey do's more than Murphy. I'll be testtng it out tomorrow and will re
port results. Then the right main; followed by left main
Their web site does a good job explaining the theory and technical aspects
of the ceramic beads. It also lists several good testimonials.
If this works,
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Strahan <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 10:46 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Wheel Balancing results within the week...
Just got my universal wheel balancer for motorcycle wheels. Tapered cones
allow
t to work with any wheel up to 1.5" axle.
http://www.marcparnes.com/Universal_Motorcycle_Wheel_Balancer.htm
It's very sensitive. Thumb screws secure the cones, and if both thumb scr
ews
re on the same side, the balancer will slowly rotate until they're at the
ottom.
I have flights scheduled for Sunday and Monday I'll be doing Murph* for Me
morial
ay. But by the middle of the week I should have the wheels balanced and
can
eport on how that affects the shimmy after landing.
*Murph: Run a mile, do 100 pullups, 200 pushups, and 300 squats...then ru
n
nother mile. Last year was just over 57 minutes, this time shooting for
sub
0. Google "Memorial Day Murph" if curious.
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299227#299227
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Subject: | Re: Wheel Balancing results within the week... |
Hey Bear: I wish you better luck than I had. I put the Dyna Beads in my RH
tire because it is the one always bouncing. I put about 1 3/4 ounce in the
tube, and my bouncing got significantly worse. I have now put a 10 ply
Michelin tire on and it is significantly better, but it still tends to bounce
at about 20 mph.
Lynn
In a message dated 5/29/2010 5:34:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
n5pb(at)aol.com writes:
Bill,
I've gone the "Dyna Beads" route. They are sold by Innovative balancing
_www.innovativebalancing.com_ (http://www.innovativebalancing.com/)
They are very inexpensive (I mean $3 bucks or so for an ounce) and dynamically
balance your tires whenever they are in motion. A friend put them into his
tires (tubes) and his shimmy went away. On the lightning tires you would
only use an ounce in the nose wheel and 1.5 - 2.0 ounces in the mains.
I'm putting them in one tire at a time to see which tire, if any stops
shimmying. Installation was a breeze even with the 90 valve stem.
Right now the nose tire has them in it, but I haven't flown taxied it
yet..honey do's more than Murphy. I'll be testtng it out tomorrow and will
report results. Then the right main; followed by left main
Their web site does a good job explaining the theory and technical aspects
of the ceramic beads. It also lists several good testimonials.
If this works,
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Strahan <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 10:46 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Wheel Balancing results within the week...
(mailto:bill(at)gdsx.com) >
Just got my universal wheel balancer for motorcycle wheels. Tapered cones
allow
it to work with any wheel up to 1.5" axle.
_http://www.marcparnes.com/Universal_Motorcycle_Wheel_Balancer.htm_
(http://www.marcparnes.com/Universal_Motorcycle_Wheel_Balancer.htm)
It's very sensitive. Thumb screws secure the cones, and if both thumb
screws
are on the same side, the balancer will slowly rotate until they're at the
bottom.
I have flights scheduled for Sunday and Monday I'll be doing Murph* for
Memorial
Day. But by the middle of the week I should have the wheels balanced and
can
report on how that affects the shimmy after landing.
*Murph: Run a mile, do 100 pullups, 200 pushups, and 300 squats...then
run
another mile. Last year was just over 57 minutes, this time shooting for
sub
50. Google "Memorial Day Murph" if curious.
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Very interesting Lynn. I'll let you know how it works.
Bear
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From: IFLYSMODEL(at)AOL.COM
Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Wheel Balancing results within the week...
Hey Bear: I wish you better luck than I had. I put the Dyna Beads in my RH
tire because it is the one always bouncing. I put about 1 3/4 ounce in th
e tube, and my bouncing got significantly worse. I have now put a 10 ply
Michelin tire on and it is significantly better, but it still tends to bo
unce at about 20 mph.
Lynn
In a message dated 5/29/2010 5:34:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, n5pb@aol.
com writes:
Bill,
I've gone the "Dyna Beads" route. They are sold by Innovative balancing
www.innovativebalancing.com They are very inexpensive (I mean $3 bucks
or so for an ounce) and dynamically balance your tires whenever they are
in motion. A friend put them into his tires (tubes) and his shimmy went
away. On the lightning tires you would only use an ounce in the nose whe
el and 1.5 - 2.0 ounces in the mains.
I'm putting them in one tire at a time to see which tire, if any stops shi
mmying. Installation was a breeze even with the 90 valve stem.
Right now the nose tire has them in it, but I haven't flown taxied it yet.
.honey do's more than Murphy. I'll be testtng it out tomorrow and will re
port results. Then the right main; followed by left main
Their web site does a good job explaining the theory and technical aspects
of the ceramic beads. It also lists several good testimonials.
If this works,
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Strahan <bill(at)gdsx.com>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 10:46 pm
Subject: Lightning-List: Wheel Balancing results within the week...
Just got my universal wheel balancer for motorcycle wheels. Tapered cones
allow
t to work with any wheel up to 1.5" axle.
http://www.marcparnes.com/Universal_Motorcycle_Wheel_Balancer.htm
It's very sensitive. Thumb screws secure the cones, and if both thumb scr
ews
re on the same side, the balancer will slowly rotate until they're at the
ottom.
I have flights scheduled for Sunday and Monday I'll be doing Murph* for Me
morial
ay. But by the middle of the week I should have the wheels balanced and
can
eport on how that affects the shimmy after landing.
*Murph: Run a mile, do 100 pullups, 200 pushups, and 300 squats...then ru
n
nother mile. Last year was just over 57 minutes, this time shooting for
sub
0. Google "Memorial Day Murph" if curious.
ead this topic online here:
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From: | FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM |
Gentlemen:
I know that this has been discussed many times on our site. Would like to
present the nose wheel shimmy, just in case someone has had additional
experience.
I fly a 2005 Esquil, that is Lightning cowl forward and all three gear
legs.
There is no nose wheel shimmy at take off, but often becomes rather severe
on landing after I allow the weight off of the main gear onto the nose
wheel. By this time she is going rather slow, about 35-40 mph. The shaking
will stop at about 15-20 mph. And does not recur during taxi operations.
What is interesting is that even when the plane is not moving, should I take
the prop and put lateral forces i.e., right and left, there is a clanking
noise as if the tire is rubbing against the wheel pant.
I have checked out the nose wheel installation, changed tire pressures,
balanced all tires, changed tire brands; however, the symptom remains
unchanged.
I am out of ideas. Have learned to live with the shimmy, but this seems
to be a mechanical mystery. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Ray Gage
83TW Spruce Creek Florida
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | LSA type Round the World Progress |
From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
http://www.azimut270.ch/en/position.html
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From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/30/10 |
In a message dated 5/31/2010 2:57:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lightning-list(at)matronics.com writes:
Subject: Lightning-List: LSA type Round the World Progress
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
http://www.azimut270.ch/en/position.html
California to Hawaii?? A 2000+ NM leg unless they had two or three carriers
with 100LL waiting.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM |
In a message dated 5/29/2010 9:52:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM writes:
I know that this has been discussed many times on our site. Would like to
present the nose wheel shimmy, just in case someone has had additional
experience.
I fly a 2005 Esquil, that is Lightning cowl forward and all three gear
legs.
There is no nose wheel shimmy at take off, but often becomes rather severe
on landing after I allow the weight off of the main gear onto the nose
wheel. By this time she is going rather slow, about 35-40 mph. The shaking
will stop at about 15-20 mph. And does not recur during taxi operations.
What is interesting is that even when the plane is not moving, should I take
the prop and put lateral forces i.e., right and left, there is a clanking
noise as if the tire is rubbing against the wheel pant.
I have checked out the nose wheel installation, changed tire pressures,
balanced all tires, changed tire brands; however, the symptom remains
unchanged.
I am out of ideas. Have learned to live with the shimmy, but this seems
to be a mechanical mystery. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Ray Gage
83TW Spruce Creek Florida
Ray,
This is a common problem with aircraft that have free swiveling nose wheels
and may have nothing to do with tire balance. Check the nylon block for
tightness. If the joint is too loose the wheel shimmies. We don't have an
adjustment, so the only solution would be to replace parts, i.e. the nylon
blocks.
On Grumman singles, which do have adjustable swivels, a force of 10 lbs to
turn the wheel is standard. Less than that will produce shimmy. Since our
Lightings and Esquals weight about half a Grumman, I'd look for less than
10 lbs.
Good luck fixing it.
Earl Ferguson
Atlanta
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From: | IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Lightning-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/30/10 |
Hey Earl: How much extra fuel would you need to make it? If I put an extra
50 gal of fuel in my Lighting, at 4 gphr that gives me 32 hrs of flight
time before flame out.
Lynn
In a message dated 5/31/2010 8:36:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
EAFerguson(at)aol.com writes:
In a message dated 5/31/2010 2:57:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lightning-list(at)matronics.com writes:
Subject: Lightning-List: LSA type Round the World Progress
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
http://www.azimut270.ch/en/position.html
California to Hawaii?? A 2000+ NM leg unless they had two or three
carriers with 100LL waiting.
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From: | FamilyGage(at)aol.com |
Earl,
Thank you. Will check out the tension on the block, and see if it needs
replacement.
Ray Gage
In a message dated 5/31/2010 8:42:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
EAFerguson(at)AOL.COM writes:
In a message dated 5/29/2010 9:52:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM writes:
I know that this has been discussed many times on our site. Would like to
present the nose wheel shimmy, just in case someone has had additional
experience.
I fly a 2005 Esquil, that is Lightning cowl forward and all three gear
legs.
There is no nose wheel shimmy at take off, but often becomes rather severe
on landing after I allow the weight off of the main gear onto the nose
wheel. By this time she is going rather slow, about 35-40 mph. The shaking
will stop at about 15-20 mph. And does not recur during taxi operations.
What is interesting is that even when the plane is not moving, should I take
the prop and put lateral forces i.e., right and left, there is a clanking
noise as if the tire is rubbing against the wheel pant.
I have checked out the nose wheel installation, changed tire pressures,
balanced all tires, changed tire brands; however, the symptom remains
unchanged.
I am out of ideas. Have learned to live with the shimmy, but this seems
to be a mechanical mystery. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Ray Gage
83TW Spruce Creek Florida
Ray,
This is a common problem with aircraft that have free swiveling nose
wheels and may have nothing to do with tire balance. Check the nylon block for
tightness. If the joint is too loose the wheel shimmies. We don't have an
adjustment, so the only solution would be to replace parts, i.e. the nylon
blocks.
On Grumman singles, which do have adjustable swivels, a force of 10 lbs to
turn the wheel is standard. Less than that will produce shimmy. Since our
Lightings and Esquals weight about half a Grumman, I'd look for less than
10 lbs.
Good luck fixing it.
Earl Ferguson
Atlanta
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From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
Now this has me wondering if my shimmy is from the mains or the nose. I have a
Grumman Traveller and I've experienced the nosewheel shimmy when I didn't have
the tension high enough, as described previously.
Any way to tell which it is, other than have someone observe the plane on landing
and try to see where it's coming from?
Bill
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From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
Ray,
New guy here, have yet to receive my kits, but hope to contribute to this g
roup. I remember seeing something on one of the newsletters about just that
problem. Seems that one solution is to drill out the nylon bearing pieces
to a larger diameter and insert brass oil lite type bushings sized for the
nose wheel fork that the nose gear pivots on. Can't remember which issue I
saw that on, but I did see it. My guess, if it's the nose wheel shimmying i
s that there may be some play in those nylon blocks. My two cents; worth.
Bernardo Melendez
--- On Mon, 5/31/10, FamilyGage(at)aol.com wrote:
From: FamilyGage(at)aol.com <FamilyGage(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Nose Wheel
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 3:31 PM
=0A=0A =0A=0AEarl,=0AThank you.- Will check out the tension on the block,
and see if it =0Aneeds replacement.=0ARay Gage=0A-=0A=0AIn a message dat
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Time, =0A FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM writes:=0A =0A -=0A I know that this
has been discussed many times on our site.- Would =0A like to present
the nose wheel shimmy, just in case someone has had =0A additional expe
rience.=0A I fly a 2005 Esquil, that is Lightning cowl forward and all t
hree gear =0A legs.=0A There is no nose wheel shimmy at take off, but
often becomes rather =0A severe on landing after I allow the weight off
of the main gear onto the =0A nose wheel.-By this time she is going r
ather slow, about 35-40 =0A mph.- The shaking will stop at about 15-20
mph.- And does not =0A recur during taxi operations.- What is inter
esting is that even when =0A the plane is not moving, should I take the
prop and put lateral forces i.e., =0A right and left, there is a clankin
g noise as if the tire is rubbing against =0A the wheel pant.=0A I ha
ve checked out the nose wheel installation, changed tire pressures, =0A
balanced all tires, changed tire brands; however, the symptom remains =0A
unchanged.=0A I am out of ideas.- Have learned to live with the shim
my, but this =0A seems to be a mechanical mystery.- Any suggestions wo
uld be greatly =0A appreciated.=0A Ray Gage=0A 83TW- Spruce Cree
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that have free swiveling nose =0A wheels and may have nothing to do with t
ire balance. Check the nylon block for =0A tightness. If the joint is too
loose the wheel shimmies. We don't have an =0A adjustment, so the only sol
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Grumman singles, which do have adjustable swivels, a force of 10 lbs =0A
to turn the wheel is standard. Less than that will produce shimmy. Since ou
r =0A Lightings and Esquals weight about half a Grumman, I'd look for-le
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From: | N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Nose wheel shimmy |
If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy, there might be an easy fix by just
tightening the bolts that hold the nylon blocks together around the nose gear
leg. Sometimes, that is all it takes. If that does not work, probably
then next step is to disassemble the unit so that you can sand a very small
amount off the nylon blocks where they fit together. By doing this they
will then be able clamp a little harder on the nose gear leg.
To check the nose wheel for proper movement, have someone raise the
nose wheel by pushing down on the tail. You should be able to move the nose
wheel assembly by hand, but it should resist - not be too easy to move from
side to side.
If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy (I can tell it by feeling it in
the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned above and see how easy it is
to move by hand. Tighten it some, by the first method mentioned above, and
then recheck to see if it is now harder to move. Then test fly to see if
you have a fix. If not, then dissemble the nose wheel and sand some off
the nylon blocks where they fit together as mentioned above.
Hope this helps.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Nose wheel shimmy |
Reference my previous email on nose wheel shimmy. Scroll on down below
the message for a photo of the nose wheel assembly.
Buz
In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM writes:
If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy, there might be an easy fix by just
tightening the bolts that hold the nylon blocks together around the nose
gear leg. Sometimes, that is all it takes. If that does not work,
probably then next step is to disassemble the unit so that you can sand a very
small amount off the nylon blocks where they fit together. By doing this they
will then be able clamp a little harder on the nose gear leg.
To check the nose wheel for proper movement, have someone raise the
nose wheel by pushing down on the tail. You should be able to move the nose
wheel assembly by hand, but it should resist - not be too easy to move from
side to side.
If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy (I can tell it by feeling it in
the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned above and see how easy it is
to move by hand. Tighten it some, by the first method mentioned above, and
then recheck to see if it is now harder to move. Then test fly to see if
you have a fix. If not, then dissemble the nose wheel and sand some off
the nylon blocks where they fit together as mentioned above.
Hope this helps.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Lowell ridge" <landjridge(at)775.net> |
Subject: | Re: Nose wheel shimmy |
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | FamilyGage(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: Nose wheel shimmy |
Buz:
Thanks, I plan to use your suggestion today.
My Best,
Ray Gage
In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
Reference my previous email on nose wheel shimmy. Scroll on down below
the message for a photo of the nose wheel assembly.
Buz
In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM writes:
If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy, there might be an easy fix by just
tightening the bolts that hold the nylon blocks together around the nose
gear leg. Sometimes, that is all it takes. If that does not work,
probably then next step is to disassemble the unit so that you can sand a very
small amount off the nylon blocks where they fit together. By doing this they
will then be able clamp a little harder on the nose gear leg.
To check the nose wheel for proper movement, have someone raise the
nose wheel by pushing down on the tail. You should be able to move the nose
wheel assembly by hand, but it should resist - not be too easy to move from
side to side.
If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy (I can tell it by feeling it in
the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned above and see how easy it is
to move by hand. Tighten it some, by the first method mentioned above, and
then recheck to see if it is now harder to move. Then test fly to see if
you have a fix. If not, then dissemble the nose wheel and sand some off
the nylon blocks where they fit together as mentioned above.
Hope this helps.
Buz
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Mefford, Walt" <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com> |
Subject: | Nose wheel shimmy |
I had/have a similar problem. I initially tightened the bolts on the
block and reduced the tire pressure to about 25lbs. The shimmy got
significantly worse. After loosening the bolts and leaving the tire
pressure unchanged, the shimming was much less but still noticeable.
However, I did not like the idea of having these bolts so loose. I then
placed shims (barrowed an empty beer can from my hanger neighbor)
between the blocks until I was able to move the wheel with about 10lbs
of force and fully tighten the bolts. I hope to give this a try this
weekend.
Walt M.
N881WP
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
FamilyGage(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy
Buz:
Thanks, I plan to use your suggestion today.
My Best,
Ray Gage
In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:
Reference my previous email on nose wheel shimmy. Scroll on down below
the message for a photo of the nose wheel assembly.
Buz
In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM writes:
If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy, there might be an easy fix by
just tightening the bolts that hold the nylon blocks together around the
nose gear leg. Sometimes, that is all it takes. If that does not
work, probably then next step is to disassemble the unit so that you can
sand a very small amount off the nylon blocks where they fit together.
By doing this they will then be able clamp a little harder on the nose
gear leg.
To check the nose wheel for proper movement, have someone raise the
nose wheel by pushing down on the tail. You should be able to move the
nose wheel assembly by hand, but it should resist - not be too easy to
move from side to side.
If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy (I can tell it by feeling it in
the rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned above and see how easy
it is to move by hand. Tighten it some, by the first method mentioned
above, and then recheck to see if it is now harder to move. Then test
fly to see if you have a fix. If not, then dissemble the nose wheel and
sand some off the nylon blocks where they fit together as mentioned
above.
Hope this helps.
Buz
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From: | "Bernard Melendez, Jr." <n45bm(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Nose wheel shimmy |
Is it possible that the entire nose wheel fork is vibrating or twisting, no
t just the wheel fork, causing wheel shimmy. Hope I'm not stirring the pot
too hard. My 2 cents worth.
Bernardo
n45bm
--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Mefford, Walt wrote:
From: Mefford, Walt <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 12:55 PM
=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI had/have a similar problem
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osening the bolts and leaving the=0Atire pressure unchanged, the shimming w
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having these bolts so loose.- I then placed=0Ashims (barrowed an empty b
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nylon blocks where they fit=0Atogether.- By doing this they will then be
able clamp a little harder on=0Athe nose gear leg.-- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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From: | FamilyGage(at)AOL.COM |
Subject: | Re: Nose wheel shimmy |
Thanks Walt:
Will attempt the fix from Buz tomorrow and see what his ideas may improve
the situation. I will post should I have any luck.
My Best,
Ray Gage
In a message dated 6/1/2010 1:57:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
walt.mefford(at)garmin.com writes:
I had/have a similar problem. I initially tightened the bolts on the
block and reduced the tire pressure to about 25lbs. The shimmy got
significantly worse. After loosening the bolts and leaving the tire pressure
unchanged, the shimming was much less but still noticeable. However, I did not
like the idea of having these bolts so loose. I then placed shims (barrowed
an empty beer can from my hanger neighbor) between the blocks until I was
able to move the wheel with about 10lbs of force and fully tighten the
bolts. I hope to give this a try this weekend.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Mefford, Walt" <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com> |
Subject: | Nose wheel shimmy |
I agree. This a very complex problem. Tire type, tire pressure, flexing o
f the fuselage, length of the landing gear and many other factors can contr
ibute such as the runway surface and the friction between the tire. The fa
ctors can be different even for the same make and model of aircraft and one
solution may not work for all. A difficult problem even today with commer
cial aircraft.
Walt M.
N881WP
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Melendez, Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy
Is it possible that the entire nose wheel fork is vibrating or twisting, no
t just the wheel fork, causing wheel shimmy. Hope I'm not stirring the pot
too hard. My 2 cents worth.
Bernardo
n45bm
--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Mefford, Walt wrote:
From: Mefford, Walt <walt.mefford(at)garmin.com>
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 12:55 PM
I had/have a similar problem. I initially tightened the bolts on the block
and reduced the tire pressure to about 25lbs. The shimmy got significantl
y worse. After loosening the bolts and leaving the tire pressure unchanged
, the shimming was much less but still noticeable. However, I did not like
the idea of having these bolts so loose. I then placed shims (barrowed an
empty beer can from my hanger neighbor) between the blocks until I was abl
e to move the wheel with about 10lbs of force and fully tighten the bolts.
I hope to give this a try this weekend.
Walt M.
N881WP
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FamilyGage(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Nose wheel shimmy
Buz:
Thanks, I plan to use your suggestion today.
My Best,
Ray Gage
In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@
aol.com writes:
Reference my previous email on nose wheel shimmy. Scroll on down below the
message for a photo of the nose wheel assembly.
Buz
In a message dated 5/31/2010 11:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@
AOL.COM writes:
If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy, there might be an easy fix by just
tightening the bolts that hold the nylon blocks together around the nose ge
ar leg. Sometimes, that is all it takes. If that does not work, probably
then next step is to disassemble the unit so that you can sand a very smal
l amount off the nylon blocks where they fit together. By doing this they
will then be able clamp a little harder on the nose gear leg.
To check the nose wheel for proper movement, have someone raise the nos
e wheel by pushing down on the tail. You should be able to move the nose w
heel assembly by hand, but it should resist - not be too easy to move from
side to side.
If you suspect a nose wheel shimmy (I can tell it by feeling it in the
rudder pedals), raise the nose as mentioned above and see how easy it is t
o move by hand. Tighten it some, by the first method mentioned above, and
then recheck to see if it is now harder to move. Then test fly to see if y
ou have a fix. If not, then dissemble the nose wheel and sand some off the
nylon blocks where they fit together as mentioned above.
Hope this helps.
Buz
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From: | N1BZRich(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Lightning Newsletter for June 2010 |
All,
The June 2010 issue of the Lightning Newsletter is now posted on at
least two of the three websites that carry our newsletters. Both Ryan of
Green Landings and Jim Langley have got the newest issue posted. I have not
heard anything from the factory guys whether it is posted on their site or
not. It is always my goal to get each monthly newsletter out no latter
than the first day of each month, so that is why I am announcing this issue
even though it may not yet be up on the Arion's Lightning web site - I am
sure it soon will be.
_http://www.greenlandings.com/_ (http://www.greenlandings.com/)
_http://www.jimslightning.com/_ (http://www.jimslightning.com/)
_http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/)
Featured in this issue is Jim Johannes' Lightning of the Month as well as
coverage of the recent Virginia Regional EAA Festival of Flight fly-in with
many photos and comments. We also have another episode of Clive and
Shirley's travels around the UK. Once again you will enjoy Clive's writing style
and his photos.
Also look for the interesting articles from Lightning builders and flyers,
some other reader feedback, tech tips, and as a follow up flight safety
article on transition training we have included the Lightning LS-1 transition
syllabus.
Once again I am requesting feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you
for content and on your comments for improvement, so that is why I am always
pleading for your feedback and comments. Maybe I should try a new angle
when requesting feedback this month. Therefore, if you don't send a
comment on the newsletter, it reflects on your sexual ability or lack thereof.
Think that will work????? Hope so.
Blue Skies and happy flying,
Buz Rich
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "flylightning" <info(at)flylightning.net> |
Subject: | Lightning Gear shimmy |
This subject has been brought up several times here on the list. Yes I would
agree that the Lightning main gear design will shimmy if the proper
conditions occur, however this is not just the Lightning but pretty much any
aircraft with a round rod gear leg. Yes we have had demonstrators do it. Our
solution that worked best was, proper tire inflation, and gear toe. This did
minimize the shimmy if not completely eliminating it all together. Those
that still had it found better tires worked, because of that we switched to
a 6ply aero-classic tire with the name "LSA" on it. These are much improved
over the 4ply supplied earlier. Recently we have replaced a couple of sets
here on the standard gear and found much better results.
It is possible that the nose wheel will shimmy but unlikely. The pivot point
for the swivel is swept forward not on a vertical axis. This is to put
forward and downward pressure on the fork assembly and not allow it to be in
free caster trail position. This is the case on aircraft like the Cirrus,
RV, ect, those aircraft do have the swivel axis vertical to the direction of
travel, and the fork can go back and forth easily hence the need for tension
to keep it straight after takeoff and keep it there for landing. If you
notice on the lightning if you move it left or right the nose will lower
slightly this can not happen with the aircraft moving forward during landing
or takeoff. This will keep the fork from shimmying. True the block should be
tensioned so no slop is evident, as the blocks can wear if there is movement
causing other issues. This was the reason for the move to the oilite bushing
in the nylon blocks. You can not put tension on the oilite bushing but they
will keep the pivot point true and free from wear.
Nick Otterback
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Lightning Gear shimmy-Gear Toe |
From: | "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com> |
Yet to get my Esqual on Lighting legs moving yet but I do need to set
the Toe. I've left it to drill the final bolt hole until I have the
plane loaded with wings and fuel and people.
So my question is, what is the recommended Toe?
I put the Esqual gear straight, not in or out, parallel and it didn't
shimmy.
I tried a degree toe in but after I had drilled it and messed about with
the plane it checked out straight.
I was minded to do the same again.
What say Ye Lightning gear users?
Regards, Clive (Wings on Thursday I hope)
Esqual in the UK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flylightning
Sent: 01 June 2010 22:41
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear shimmy
This subject has been brought up several times here on the list. Yes I
would agree that the Lightning main gear design will shimmy if the
proper conditions occur, however this is not just the Lightning but
pretty much any aircraft with a round rod gear leg. Yes we have had
demonstrators do it. Our solution that worked best was, proper tire
inflation, and gear toe. This did minimize the shimmy if not completely
eliminating it all together. Those that still had it found better tires
worked, because of that we switched to a 6ply aero-classic tire with the
name "LSA" on it. These are much improved over the 4ply supplied
earlier. Recently we have replaced a couple of sets here on the standard
gear and found much better results.
It is possible that the nose wheel will shimmy but unlikely. The pivot
point for the swivel is swept forward not on a vertical axis. This is to
put forward and downward pressure on the fork assembly and not allow it
to be in free caster trail position. This is the case on aircraft like
the Cirrus, RV, ect, those aircraft do have the swivel axis vertical to
the direction of travel, and the fork can go back and forth easily hence
the need for tension to keep it straight after takeoff and keep it there
for landing. If you notice on the lightning if you move it left or right
the nose will lower slightly this can not happen with the aircraft
moving forward during landing or takeoff. This will keep the fork from
shimmying. True the block should be tensioned so no slop is evident, as
the blocks can wear if there is movement causing other issues. This was
the reason for the move to the oilite bushing in the nylon blocks. You
can not put tension on the oilite bushing but they will keep the pivot
point true and free from wear.
Nick Otterback
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter for June 2010 |
From: | Maxim Voronin <voroninmax(at)gmail.com> |
Great Newsletter, Buz!
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:21 PM, wrote:
> All,
> The June 2010 issue of the Lightning Newsletter is now posted on at
> leasttwo ofthe threewebsites that carry our newsletters.Both Ryan of
> Green Landings and Jim Langley have got the newest issue posted. I have not
> heard anythingfrom the factory guys whether it is posted on their site or
> not. It is always my goal to get each monthly newsletter out no latter than
> the first day of each month, so that is why I am announcing this issue even
> though it may not yet be up on the Arion's Lightning web site - I am sure it
> soon will be.
>
> http://www.greenlandings.com/
>
> http://www.jimslightning.com/
>
> http://www.flylightning.net/
>
> Featured in this issue is Jim Johannes' Lightning of the Month as well as
> coverage of the recent Virginia Regional EAA Festival of Flight fly-in with
> many photos and comments. We also have another episode of Clive and
> Shirley's travels around the UK. Once again you will enjoy Clive's writing
> style and his photos.
>
> Also look for the interesting articles from Lightning builders and flyers,
> someother reader feedback,tech tips, and as a follow up flight safety
> article on transition training we have included the Lightning LS-1
> transition syllabus.
>
> Once again I am requesting feedback on the newsletter. It depends on you
> for content and on your comments for improvement, so that is why I am always
> pleading for your feedback and comments. Maybe I should try a new angle
> when requesting feedback this month. Therefore,if you don't send a comment
> on the newsletter, it reflects on your sexual ability or lack thereof.
> Think that will work????? Hope so.
> Blue Skies and happy flying,
> Buz Rich
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Lightning Gear shimmy |
From: | "Bill Strahan" <bill(at)gdsx.com> |
So it sounds safe to assume that any shimmy is coming from the main gear. If that
is the case, do you think it is an imbalance in the tires matching the natural
frequency of the main gear? If so, then balancing the tires should prevent
it.
Have you noticed it manifesting differently, if at all, on the new style gear?
Read this topic online here:
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From: | "Dave" <corky(at)hbci.com> |
Subject: | Re: Lightning Gear shimmy-Gear Toe |
have someone video the shimmy, you might find it not to be in the nose
wheel, maybe it is some where else, like in the mains. My shimmy is now
gone, you have my specs as to what I did and it worked, the nose wheel needs
to be "tight", but I have not adjusted mine in 4 years. Remember -I made
the nose wheel suspension that did not help, you need video to watch the
mains.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james(at)uk.bp.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 5:13 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear shimmy-Gear Toe
>
>
> Yet to get my Esqual on Lighting legs moving yet but I do need to set
> the Toe. I've left it to drill the final bolt hole until I have the
> plane loaded with wings and fuel and people.
>
> So my question is, what is the recommended Toe?
>
> I put the Esqual gear straight, not in or out, parallel and it didn't
> shimmy.
> I tried a degree toe in but after I had drilled it and messed about with
> the plane it checked out straight.
> I was minded to do the same again.
>
> What say Ye Lightning gear users?
>
> Regards, Clive (Wings on Thursday I hope)
> Esqual in the UK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> flylightning
> Sent: 01 June 2010 22:41
> To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Gear shimmy
>
> This subject has been brought up several times here on the list. Yes I
> would agree that the Lightning main gear design will shimmy if the
> proper conditions occur, however this is not just the Lightning but
> pretty much any aircraft with a round rod gear leg. Yes we have had
> demonstrators do it. Our solution that worked best was, proper tire
> inflation, and gear toe. This did minimize the shimmy if not completely
> eliminating it all together. Those that still had it found better tires
> worked, because of that we switched to a 6ply aero-classic tire with the
> name "LSA" on it. These are much improved over the 4ply supplied
> earlier. Recently we have replaced a couple of sets here on the standard
> gear and found much better results.
>
> It is possible that the nose wheel will shimmy but unlikely. The pivot
> point for the swivel is swept forward not on a vertical axis. This is to
> put forward and downward pressure on the fork assembly and not allow it
> to be in free caster trail position. This is the case on aircraft like
> the Cirrus, RV, ect, those aircraft do have the swivel axis vertical to
> the direction of travel, and the fork can go back and forth easily hence
> the need for tension to keep it straight after takeoff and keep it there
> for landing. If you notice on the lightning if you move it left or right
> the nose will lower slightly this can not happen with the aircraft
> moving forward during landing or takeoff. This will keep the fork from
> shimmying. True the block should be tensioned so no slop is evident, as
> the blocks can wear if there is movement causing other issues. This was
> the reason for the move to the oilite bushing in the nylon blocks. You
> can not put tension on the oilite bushing but they will keep the pivot
> point true and free from wear.
>
>
> Nick Otterback
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Lightning Gear shimmy |
From: | "selwyn" <selwyn(at)ellisworks.com.au> |
[quote="info(at)flylightning.net"] This was the reason for the move to the oilite
bushing in the nylon blocks. You can not put tension on the oilite bushing
but they will keep the pivot point true and free from wear.
Nick Otterback
> [b]
Um, which move to oilite bushings was that? I noticed the bushes in Buz's photos
and wondered where they came from. Its not in the build manual, no service
bulletins, can't find it anywhere on the Arion site, can't remember reading it
in the newsletter. What's the status of the change, is it part of ongoing development
or a recommended retrofit?
--------
Cheers, Selwyn
Kit 66
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