Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-gj
January 08, 2008 - January 27, 2008
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Hey Jack,
Her resume' is impressive but can she glue ribs together?
Cheers,
Greg
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com> <BR><BR>> New resume...thanks <BR>> <BR>> Jack Textor <BR>> Vice President <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 3737 Woodland Avenue <BR>> Suite #300 <BR>> West Des Moines, IA 50266 <BR>> 515-225-7000 <BR>> www.thepalmergroup.com <BR>> <BR>> This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic <BR>> Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and <BR>> may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you <BR>> are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or <BR>> copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to <BR>> the sender that you have received the message in error, and then please <BR>> delete it. Thank you. <BR>> <BR>>
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t; <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: Bridget McNerney [mailto:bs_mcnerney(at)yahoo.com] <BR>> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 2:28 PM <BR>> To: Jack T. Textor <BR>> Subject: RE: Note from Jack at Palmer Group <BR>> <BR>> Good afternoon Jack, <BR>> <BR>> I hope you had a pleasant holiday and feel refreshed <BR>> for the new year. With the new year I am anticipating <BR>> new opportunities to surface. I was wondering if it <BR>> may be appropriate at this time for me to pay a visit <BR>> to your offices for an interview. I am sure you will <BR>> feel more comfortable passing my resume along once you <BR>> have a sense of how I may perform with the prospective <BR>> employer. Additionally I am open for temporary <BR>> assignments or a temp-hire position. If someone else <BR>> with your organization handles candidates for <BR>> temporary assignments I would appreciate their contact <BR>> information. <BR>> <BR>
> I
have updated my resume (which is attached) in an
> attempt to create a
broader net. Experience not listed
> on my resume as it was in the far
past was that in the
> insurance industry-medical claims specifically both
> payer and customer service representative.
>
> Thanks
for your time!
> Bridget McNerney
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ____________
> Looking for last minute shopping deals?
>
| From: | "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com> |
| Subject: | FW: Note from Jack at Palmer Group Bridget McNerney |
new resume
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| Subject: | Airfoil comparison (oh no, not again) |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
A recent off-list discussion with another list member, regarding landing
gear, led to it's obvious next step - a comparison of the Pietenpol
airfoil with the Riblett airfoil.
Okay, that doesn't make any sense, but the net result is that I spent a
few hours, crunched a bunch of numbers to calculate co-ordinates and
drew up the two airfoils, superimposed on each other.
Before I go any further, let me state that my co-ordinates for the
Riblett GA 30UA 612 airfoil came from an internet site (an airfoil
discussion group), and the co-ordinates for the Pietenpol FC10 airfoil
came from another website http://www.airminded.net/, so the accuracy
cannot be guaranteed, but I think it provides a nice comparison.
A few of the more obvious differences are:
1. Riblett airfoil is considerably thicker (approximately 7/8" at the
deepest point)
2. Leading edge profiles are quite different, with the Pietenpol's being
much sharper.
3. Riblett airfoil has much less undercamber.
Anyway, here it is, in Adobe PDF format, for anyone that's curious.
Bill C
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Note from Jack at Palmer Group Bridget McNerney |
new resume
Or even more important, can she TIG weld aluminum?
Rick
On Jan 8, 2008 11:25 AM, wrote:
> Hey Jack,
>
> Her resume' is impressive but can she glue ribs together?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Greg
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
>
> > New resume...thanks
> >
> > Jack Textor
> > Vice President
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 3737 Woodland Avenue
> > Suite #300
> > West Des Moines, IA 50266
> > 515-225-7000
> > www.thepalmergroup.com
> >
> > This e-mail, including attachments, is covered by the Electronic
> > Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is confidential, and
> > may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you
> > are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or
> > copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to
> > the sender that you have received the message in error, and then please
> > delete it. Thank you.
> >
> >
> &g t;
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bridget McNerney [mailto:bs_mcnerney(at)yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 2:28 PM
> > To: Jack T. Textor
> > Subject: RE: Note from Jack at Palmer Group
> >
> > Good afternoon Jack,
> >
> > I hope you had a pleasant holiday and feel refreshed
> > for the new year. With the new year I am anticipating
> > new opportunities to surface. I was wondering if it
> > may be appropriate at this time for me to pay a visit
> > to your offices for an interview. I am sure you will
> > feel more comfortable passing my resume along once you
> > have a sense of how I may perform with the prospective
> > employer. Additionally I am open for temporary
> > assignments or a temp-hire position. If someone else
> > with your organization handles candidates for
> > temporary assignments I would appreciate their contact
> > information.
> >
> > I have updated my resume (which is attached) in an
> > attempt to create a broader net. Experience not listed
> > on my resume as it was in the far past was that in the
> > insurance industry-medical claims specifically both
> > payer and customer service representative.
> >
> > Thanks for your time!
> > Bridget McNerney
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
>
> > ____________
> > Looking for last minute shopping deals?
> >
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Jack T. Textor" <jtextor(at)thepalmergroup.com>
> To:
> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:02:26 +0000
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Note from Jack at Palmer Group Bridget
> McNerney new resume
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfoil comparison (oh no, not again) |
Oh no is right, great chart you put together Bill. Now the question is which
wing are you going to build? (Since you spent all this time doing the plot I
assume you haven't built your ribs yet). If my ready to cover wings weren't
hanging in my garage I would do the Riblett.
Rick
On Jan 8, 2008 9:57 AM, Bill Church wrote:
> A recent off-list discussion with another list member, regarding landing
> gear, led to it's obvious next step - a comparison of the Pietenpol airfoil
> with the Riblett airfoil.
> Okay, that doesn't make any sense, but the net result is that I spent a
> few hours, crunched a bunch of numbers to calculate co-ordinates and drew up
> the two airfoils, superimposed on each other.
> Before I go any further, let me state that my co-ordinates for the Riblett
> GA 30UA 612 airfoil came from an internet site (an airfoil discussion
> group), and the co-ordinates for the Pietenpol FC10 airfoil came from
> another website http://www.airminded.net/, so the accuracy cannot be
> guaranteed, but I think it provides a nice comparison.
> A few of the more obvious differences are:
> 1. Riblett airfoil is considerably thicker (approximately 7/8" at the
> deepest point)
> 2. Leading edge profiles are quite different, with the Pietenpol's being
> much sharper.
> 3. Riblett airfoil has much less undercamber.
>
> Anyway, here it is, in Adobe PDF format, for anyone that's curious.
>
> Bill C
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | homebuilt design trivia |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Here's one that surprised me.
Q: Which design came first, the Corben Junior and Baby Ace or the
Pietenpol Air Camper ?
A: Much to my surprise.........
O.G. "Ace" Corben designed and marketed the first homebuilt aircraft kit
in 1923; the famous "Baby Ace," followed by the "Jr. Ace," the "Cabin
Ace" and the beautiful "Super Ace!"
The Corben Aces have endured the tests of time thanks to successors like
Paul Poberezney, Cliff DuCharne, Thurman Baird and others who have
modernized and refined the designs over the years. These aircraft are
still being built, flown and admired by those who find the past as
exciting as the designs and materials of the present!
Now, thanks to the new "Sport Pilot" and "Light Sport Aircraft" rules
(ELSA & SLSA), these fine modernized aircraft can be factory-built, then
flown by pilots with a valid drivers license as medical certification!
Bill Wood, the new owner of the Ace Aircraft Company, pledges his effort
to revitalize the excitement surrounding the Corben legacy. The factory
is located in Toccoa Georgia at Foothills Aviation. Stop by any Saturday
for some coffee, donuts, and some of the greatest hangar flying
anywhere! Re-uniting Corben Ace builders, pilots, and dreamers will be
an annual undertaking at a factory sponsored Corben Ace Fly-in. Contact
us to get on our mailing list for more info.
Historical information provided by the Corben Club
<http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/> .
The Ace Aircraft Company is now selling plans for both models. Plans for
the "D" Model Corben Baby Ace cost $125.00, and the "E" Model Junior Ace
cost $145.00. Optional pre-welded assembles and pre-cut fittings for
both models are also available.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Airfoil comparison (oh no, not again) |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
Actually Rick, my ribs are all built.
And they're 100% Pietenpol FC10.
The comparison was done purely out of curiosity, to see how the two
compared.
I think the only way to do a real comparison of the two airfoils, as
applied to the Air Camper, would be to build a complete plane with the
traditional Pietenpol airfoil, and fly it, and record the performance
data, and then remove the Pietenpol wing, and replace it with a wing
built with the Riblett airfoil (without making any other changes to the
airplane), and repeat the process. Only then would one get a real
"apples to apples" comparison of how the airfoil affects performance of
this plane.My plan for the time being is to proceed with the first part
of the comparison - that is, build a complete plane with the traditional
Pietenpol airfoil. My gut feeling is that the Riblett airfoil probably
would give some performance improvements, but nothing near some of the
claims I have heard (someone I overheard at Brodhead said the Riblett
airfoil would double the cruise speed, cut takeoff distance in half AND
lower the stall speed - somehow I don't think it will do that.).
Bill C
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfoil comparison (oh no, not again) |
Bill:
I've purchased Harry's full-scale Riblett airfoil drawing. I wonder if
you wouldn't mind posting your table of ordinates for the Riblett rib?
Thanks!
Al in NH
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airfoil comparison (oh no, not again)
A recent off-list discussion with another list member, regarding
landing gear, led to it's obvious next step - a comparison of the
Pietenpol airfoil with the Riblett airfoil.
Okay, that doesn't make any sense, but the net result is that I spent
a few hours, crunched a bunch of numbers to calculate co-ordinates and
drew up the two airfoils, superimposed on each other.
Before I go any further, let me state that my co-ordinates for the
Riblett GA 30UA 612 airfoil came from an internet site (an airfoil
discussion group), and the co-ordinates for the Pietenpol FC10 airfoil
came from another website http://www.airminded.net/, so the accuracy
cannot be guaranteed, but I think it provides a nice comparison.
A few of the more obvious differences are:
1. Riblett airfoil is considerably thicker (approximately 7/8" at the
deepest point)
2. Leading edge profiles are quite different, with the Pietenpol's
being much sharper.
3. Riblett airfoil has much less undercamber.
Anyway, here it is, in Adobe PDF format, for anyone that's curious.
Bill C
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | A little Levity... |
| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
I found this on the RV-10 List and about died laughing. Of course that
list is much more cantankerous and abrasive than the Pietenpol list,
probably because the RV-10 attracts a different "quality" of builder
than the Pietenpol. I must say, I enjoy this list much more. Not so
much whining as the RV-10 list, and I don't have to hear any Pietenpol
builder complaining about the lack of customer support he got for the
$52,000 dual Chelton EFIS glass panel he installed in his "homebuilt".
But enough of the following applies to the Pietenpol list that I thought
y'all would appreciate it...
HOW MANY EMAIL LIST MEMBERS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB?
1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been
changed.
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the
light bulb could have been changed differently.
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ...
Another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid.
2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is
"lamp".
15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light
bulb" is perfectly correct.
19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take
this discussion to a light bulb forum.
11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light
bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum.
36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to
buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this
technique and what brands are faulty.
5 People to post pics of their own light bulbs.
7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs.
4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the
corrected URL's.
13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all
headers and signatures, and add "Me too".
5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot
handle the light bulb controversy.
4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"
13 to say "do a search on light bulbs before posting questions about
light bulbs".
1 to bring politics into the discussion by adding that George W. isn't
the brightest bulb.
4 more to get into personal attacks over their political views.
1 moderator to lock the light bulb thread.
1 guy wondering when Can-Am is going to step up to the plate and make
lightbulbs as bright as the other manufactures.
3 guys wondering what the 2012 lightbulbs will be like.
1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and
start it all over again.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| From: | "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfoil comparison (oh no, not again) |
Or better yet, for about 5 grand by the more modern efficient NACA wing
design off of a Cub, T-Craft or Aeronca recover them, build your
fuselage/tail feathers over the summer and being flying the darn thing
by spring 2009. So much for being a purist, huh.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airfoil comparison (oh no, not again)
Oh no is right, great chart you put together Bill. Now the question is
which wing are you going to build? (Since you spent all this time doing
the plot I assume you haven't built your ribs yet). If my ready to cover
wings weren't hanging in my garage I would do the Riblett.
Rick
On Jan 8, 2008 9:57 AM, Bill Church wrote:
A recent off-list discussion with another list member, regarding
landing gear, led to it's obvious next step - a comparison of the
Pietenpol airfoil with the Riblett airfoil.
Okay, that doesn't make any sense, but the net result is that I
spent a few hours, crunched a bunch of numbers to calculate co-ordinates
and drew up the two airfoils, superimposed on each other.
Before I go any further, let me state that my co-ordinates for the
Riblett GA 30UA 612 airfoil came from an internet site (an airfoil
discussion group), and the co-ordinates for the Pietenpol FC10 airfoil
came from another website http://www.airminded.net/, so the accuracy
cannot be guaranteed, but I think it provides a nice comparison.
A few of the more obvious differences are:
1. Riblett airfoil is considerably thicker (approximately 7/8" at
the deepest point)
2. Leading edge profiles are quite different, with the Pietenpol's
being much sharper.
3. Riblett airfoil has much less undercamber.
Anyway, here it is, in Adobe PDF format, for anyone that's curious.
Bill C
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Note from Jack at Palmer Group Bridget McNerney |
>Or even more important, can she TIG weld aluminum?You can always hire that
work out. What I want to know is, can she land a taildragger in a crosswi
nd?Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http:
//www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A little Levity... |
A little Levity...
You know, I think I have seen everyone of those one time or another.
(I guess that makes me in the list of "Me TOO's"
Barry Davis
Big Piet
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfoil comparison (oh no, not again) |
That is also my plan Bill, some Piet builders get bored after finishing
their Piet and they build an other Piet, when I get bored I will build a
Riblett wing (already bought the plans), comparison flight test as you
described, keep the better wing and sell the other one (or maybe keep it for
a spare).
Rick
On Jan 9, 2008 8:25 AM, Bill Church wrote:
> Actually Rick, my ribs are all built.
> And they're 100% Pietenpol FC10.
> The comparison was done purely out of curiosity, to see how the two
> compared.
>
> I think the only way to do a real comparison of the two airfoils, as
> applied to the Air Camper, would be to build a complete plane with the
> traditional Pietenpol airfoil, and fly it, and record the performance data,
> and then remove the Pietenpol wing, and replace it with a wing built with
> the Riblett airfoil (without making any other changes to the airplane), and
> repeat the process. Only then would one get a real "apples to apples"
> comparison of how the airfoil affects performance of this plane.My plan
> for the time being is to proceed with the first part of the comparison -
> that is, build a complete plane with the traditional Pietenpol airfoil. My
> gut feeling is that the Riblett airfoil probably would give some performance
> improvements, but nothing near some of the claims I have heard (someone I
> overheard at Brodhead said the Riblett airfoil would double the cruise
> speed, cut takeoff distance in half AND lower the stall speed - somehow I
> don't think it will do that.).
>
>
> Bill C
>
> **
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: A little Levity... |
Thanks Jack great stuff for an otherwise dull day
John
In a message dated 1/9/2008 12:25:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com writes:
I found this on the RV-10 List and about died laughing. Of course that lis
t
is much more cantankerous and abrasive than the Pietenpol list, probably
because the RV-10 attracts a different =9Cquality=9D of builder
than the
Pietenpol. I must say, I enjoy this list much more. Not so much whining a
s the RV-10
list, and I don=99t have to hear any Pietenpol builder complaining abo
ut the
lack of customer support he got for the $52,000 dual Chelton EFIS glass pan
el
he installed in his =9Chomebuilt=9D. But enough of the follow
ing applies to the
Pietenpol list that I thought y=99all would appreciate it
HOW MANY EMAIL LIST MEMBERS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB?
1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed
.
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the
light bulb could have been changed differently.
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ...
Another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid.
2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp"
.
15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light
bulb" is perfectly correct.
19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take
this discussion to a light bulb forum.
11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light
bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum.
36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to
buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this
technique and what brands are faulty.
5 People to post pics of their own light bulbs.
7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs.
4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the
corrected URL's.
13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all
headers and signatures, and add "Me too".
5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot
handle the light bulb controversy.
4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"
13 to say "do a search on light bulbs before posting questions about
light bulbs".
1 to bring politics into the discussion by adding that George W. isn't
the brightest bulb.
4 more to get into personal attacks over their political views.
1 moderator to lock the light bulb thread.
1 guy wondering when Can-Am is going to step up to the plate and make
lightbulbs as bright as the other manufactures.
3 guys wondering what the 2012 lightbulbs will be like.
1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and
start it all over again.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| From: | "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen(at)ptialaska.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A little Levity... |
A little Levity...Jack,
This was great. All the reasons good why I participate little in the
Canard-Pusher yahoo forum, over 650 members. Every issue of a big
"contankerous" forum group was covered.
Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Airfoil comparison (oh no, not again) |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
Al,
Here's what I used for the co-ordinates:
Here's the GA30UA612:
x y
1 0.00126
0.95 0.01302
0.9 0.02439
0.85 0.0354
0.8 0.04605
0.75 0.05638
0.7 0.06637
0.65 0.07568
0.6 0.08406
0.55 0.09132
0.5 0.09704
0.45 0.10075
0.4 0.10261
0.35 0.10278
0.3 0.10106
0.25 0.09728
0.2 0.0911
0.15 0.08189
0.1 0.0686
0.075 0.05982
0.05 0.04877
0.025 0.03391
0.0125 0.02335
0.0075 0.01776
0.005 0.01429
0.0025 0.00984
0 0
0.0025 -0.0076
0.005 -0.01015
0.0075 -0.01194
0.0125 -0.01453
0.025 -0.01837
0.05 -0.02231
0.075 -0.02418
0.1 -0.02504
0.15 -0.02501
0.2 -0.02366
0.25 -0.02156
0.3 -0.01898
0.35 -0.0162
0.4 -0.01345
0.45 -0.01087
0.5 -0.00884
0.55 -0.00774
0.6 -0.0072
0.65 -0.00698
0.7 -0.00691
0.75 -0.00682
0.8 -0.00641
0.85 -0.00566
0.9 -0.00457
0.95 -0.0031
1 -0.00126
As I said before, this data came from a posting someone made to a
discussion group. I can't vouch for it's validity. Anyone seroiusly
considering using the Riblett airfoil should probably plunk down the 18
bucks and order Mr. Riblett's book from EAA.
Bill C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpols near Lynchburg VA? |
I'm spending the week of Jan 21 in Lynchburg VA...
Any Pietenpols/Pietenpol folks around for a visit?
Glenn?
Thanks,
Jim Markle
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Pietenpols near Lynchburg VA? |
| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
Not yet - give me a couple of years and mine will be based at W91 (Smith
Mountain Lake), about 30 miles south of Lynchburg.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC (for now)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Markle
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols near Lynchburg VA?
I'm spending the week of Jan 21 in Lynchburg VA...
Any Pietenpols/Pietenpol folks around for a visit?
Glenn?
Thanks,
Jim Markle
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bcharvet(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: homebuilt design trivia |
I'm flying a Baby Ace that was built in 1955 and looks similar to the
one featured in Mechanix Illustrated in an article written by Paul
Poberezney.
I'm hoping it flies like a Pietenpol. Its been a lot of fun, and I've
logged nearly 70 hours in it in the last year. Now I'll have plenty of
tailwheel time
when my Piet is finally finished (Although having something to fly does
take some of the urgency off of building)
Ben Charvet
Baby Ace N39D
Piet NX866BC some day
Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] wrote:
> Here's one that surprised me.
>
> Q: Which design came first, the Corben Junior and Baby Ace or the
> Pietenpol Air Camper ?
>
> A: Much to my surprise.........
>
>
>
> O.G. "Ace" Corben designed and marketed the first homebuilt aircraft
> kit in 1923; the famous "Baby Ace," followed by the "Jr. Ace," the
> "Cabin Ace" and the beautiful "Super Ace!"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Corben Aces have endured the tests of time thanks to successors
> like Paul Poberezney, Cliff DuCharne, Thurman Baird and others who
> have modernized and refined the designs over the years. These aircraft
> are still being built, flown and admired by those who find the past as
> exciting as the designs and materials of the present!
>
> Now, thanks to the new "Sport Pilot" and "Light Sport Aircraft" rules
> (ELSA & SLSA), these fine modernized aircraft can be factory-built,
> then flown by pilots with a valid drivers license as medical
> certification!
>
> Bill Wood, the new owner of the Ace Aircraft Company, pledges his
> effort to revitalize the excitement surrounding the Corben legacy. The
> factory is located in Toccoa Georgia at Foothills Aviation. Stop by
> any Saturday for some coffee, donuts, and some of the greatest hangar
> flying anywhere! Re-uniting Corben Ace builders, pilots, and dreamers
> will be an annual undertaking at a factory sponsored Corben Ace
> Fly-in. Contact us to get on our mailing list for more info.
>
> /Historical information provided by the/ Corben Club
> <http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/>.
>
> The Ace Aircraft Company is now selling plans for both models. Plans
> for the "D" Model Corben Baby Ace cost $125.00, and the "E" Model
> Junior Ace cost $145.00. Optional pre-welded assembles and pre-cut
> fittings for both models are also available.
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca> |
I'm coming down to Daytona for a week;anybody have a Piet in this area?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | the ol' airfoil discussion |
Gordon wrote-
> Or better yet, for about 5 grand buy the more modern efficient NACA wing
> design off of a Cub, T-Craft or Aeronca recover them
That would be a faster build than making Piet wings from scratch, but as far as
efficiency consider these comments made by Mike Shuck, who analyzed the Piet
airfoil and directly compared it (computationally) to the Cub wing:
>Can I just use the Cub USA35b airfoil instead of the Pietenpol airfoil for better
performance
>since it has less drag and less negative pitching moment? Answer: Well, you could,
but it wouldnt
>be a Pietenpol anymore. And, the drag isnt that much less that youd see much
if any difference
>in cruise. The USA35b airfoil here is 11.5% thick and the Pietenpol airfoil is
only 10.5% thick, so
>the performance of the USA35b, if improved, could be from the fact that the wing
would be thicker,
>therefore, lighter than the Pietenpol, too.
>
>Can I decrease the negative pitching moment of the Pietenpol airfoil and end up
with less trim drag
>and have it fly faster. Yes. But you will have, as a consequence, less lift,
too.
And about the T'craft wing, Mike wrote:
>a bit complicated, but you want as little trim drag as you can stand and yet still
have enough lift
>for your airplanes purpose or mission. This is most of the reason why C. G. Taylors
Taylorcraft
>flies 10 miles per hour faster than his Cub design: the Taylorcraft airfoil uses
a lower drag airfoil,
>the NACA 23012, but this airfoil also has very little negative pitching moment,
only about 0.012.
>If you have an airfoil which has less drag and significantly less negative pitching
moment, you will
>also have less trim drag as well, and, quite likely, significantly improved cruising
speed.
Trade-offs, trade-offs... ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au> |
Hi All
I am very excited I have a tail and I just wanted to share it with everyone as
I don't think I could have done it with out the list and all the pics on on web
sites such as Chris and peters.
Now I have to pack it all up and my ribs to move to the other side of the country
to start a new job so no building for the next 6 months.
Carson
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157337#157337
Attachments:
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/peitenpol_087_148.jpg
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| From: | "Scott Schreiber" <got22b(at)subarubrat.com> |
| Subject: | Pietenpol covered in latest EAA emailing |
Volume 8 Number 2 near the top, there is a video and a link to an
article. I guess they didn't test it before they posted or maybe they
didn't upload them yet because they don't work, but I am assuming they
will fix it.
-Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | great EAA video on Piets!!!!!!! |
Ya gotta see it... Mike Cuy, Steve Eldredge, Lowell Frank, and a cast of Pi
etenpols! 8:05 of video:
http://www.eaa.org/video/eaa.html?videoId=1373284259
Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http://w
ww.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: great EAA video on Piets!!!!!!! |
Oscar,
If that does not get builders hot under the butt....then nothing will! Garage,
here I come!
Ken H
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
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10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Ya gotta see it... Mike Cuy, Steve Eldredge,
Lowell Frank, and a cast of Pietenpols! 8:05 of video:
http://www.eaa.org/video/eaa.html?videoId=1373284259
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu> |
| Subject: | Brodhead 99' and some sad news |
Those were the days! That trip by far was the most memorable I've made in
an airplane. It literally brought me to tears when I realized I was on my
first return leg home after Brodhead 99'.
Now for some more tear shedding...
I've put off writing about this for almost a month, but my Aircamper NX722
9R has been mortally damaged in a landing mishap. The poor thing has had i
ts back broken. I sent it to live with my brother in south of Tucson for t
he winter and on Dec 20, he called to say that he was OK, but the piet was
badly damaged when he pancaked it onto the runway. A non-pilot airpark res
ident had run a stop sign on the bisecting access road, and stopped in the
middle of the runway when he saw my brother coming. Instead of simply roll
ing on through he jammed it in reverse and backed up. This distraction cau
sed my brother to let the plane slow, stall and drop to the runway. The lo
ngerons and the crossbrace at the front gear/front lift strut attach point
was crushed and buckled. The fittings were pushed together about 4-5 inche
s. The wings sagged down as the gear splayed, but somehow the prop remain
ed untouched except for a small dent on the leading edge when it hit a mesq
uite tree when the poor piet left the runway. The lower cowling was damag
ed and the gascolator deformed. Gas spilled, but thank heavens there was
no fire. There were no injuries to the solo pilot. The crash was witness
by an off duty officer and pilot, but since it occurred on private propert
y no citation was issued. The driver has denied any responsibility and off
ered nothing in reparations. Only thing left to do is file a lawsuit, but
that really isn't in either of our natures. We are trying to decide if th
e 10 year love affair with Aircamper 29R is over, or simply another chapter
is to be written as we build up or repair the damaged fuselage. My broth
er has said he will buy me out and rebuild. I still have the Stinson to f
ly, but can hardly imagine being without a low and slow open cockpit airpla
ne. Something in my head is whispering 0-200 powered? Maybe a new Rotec
? What about a 120% scale Piet with the 140HP LOM?
Steve 'E'
Spanish Fork, UT.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: great EAA video on Piets!!!!!!!
Ya gotta see it... Mike Cuy, Steve Eldredge, Lowell Frank, and a cast of Pi
etenpols! 8:05 of video:
http://www.eaa.org/video/eaa.html?videoId=1373284259
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news |
I think I'm going to cry too. Sure glad your brother is ok.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 99' and some sad news
Those were the days! That trip by far was the most memorable I've
made in an airplane. It literally brought me to tears when I realized
I was on my first return leg home after Brodhead 99'.
Now for some more tear shedding.
I've put off writing about this for almost a month, but my Aircamper
NX7229R has been mortally damaged in a landing mishap. The poor thing
has had its back broken. I sent it to live with my brother in south of
Tucson for the winter and on Dec 20, he called to say that he was OK,
but the piet was badly damaged when he pancaked it onto the runway. A
non-pilot airpark resident had run a stop sign on the bisecting access
road, and stopped in the middle of the runway when he saw my brother
coming. Instead of simply rolling on through he jammed it in reverse
and backed up. This distraction caused my brother to let the plane
slow, stall and drop to the runway. The longerons and the crossbrace at
the front gear/front lift strut attach point was crushed and buckled.
The fittings were pushed together about 4-5 inches. The wings sagged
down as the gear splayed, but somehow the prop remained untouched except
for a small dent on the leading edge when it hit a mesquite tree when
the poor piet left the runway. The lower cowling was damaged and the
gascolator deformed. Gas spilled, but thank heavens there was no fire.
There were no injuries to the solo pilot. The crash was witness by an
off duty officer and pilot, but since it occurred on private property no
citation was issued. The driver has denied any responsibility and
offered nothing in reparations. Only thing left to do is file a
lawsuit, but that really isn't in either of our natures. We are trying
to decide if the 10 year love affair with Aircamper 29R is over, or
simply another chapter is to be written as we build up or repair the
damaged fuselage. My brother has said he will buy me out and rebuild.
I still have the Stinson to fly, but can hardly imagine being without a
low and slow open cockpit airplane. Something in my head is whispering
0-200 powered? Maybe a new Rotec? What about a 120% scale Piet with
the 140HP LOM?
Steve 'E'
Spanish Fork, UT.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:37 PM
To: Pietenpol List
Subject: Pietenpol-List: great EAA video on Piets!!!!!!!
Ya gotta see it... Mike Cuy, Steve Eldredge, Lowell Frank, and a cast
of Pietenpols! 8:05 of video:
http://www.eaa.org/video/eaa.html?videoId=1373284259
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com> |
| Subject: | slightly off topic |
But hoping some of you find it interesting. I don't hang around this
forum much lately. It's not because I don't like you guys anymore...
just busy with new work.
This is what I am doing these days. Shooting 360=B0 spherical
panoramas. Both from a helicopter and on the ground.
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_N560KT_cabin.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_N560KT_cockpit.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_44_monroe.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_downtown_phx_3.shtm
DJ Vegh
AZ ChopperCam
Mesa, AZ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mike Volckmann <mike_cfi(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: slightly off topic |
DJ,=0A=0AVery cool.=0A=0AMike=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: D
J Vegh =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Frida
y, January 11, 2008 1:44:55 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: slightly off topi
c=0A=0A=0ABut hoping some of you find it interesting. I don't hang around
this forum much lately. It's not because I don't like you guys anymore...
just busy with new work.=0A =0AThis is what I am doing these days. Shootin
g 360=B0 spherical panoramas. Both from a helicopter and on the ground.
=0A =0Ahttp://azchoppercam.com/pano_N560KT_cabin.shtm=0A =0Ahttp://azchoppe
rcam.com/pano_N560KT_cockpit.shtm=0A =0Ahttp://azchoppercam.com/pano_44_mon
roe.shtm=0A =0Ahttp://azchoppercam.com/pano_downtown_phx_3.shtm=0A =0A =0AD
===================
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Brodhead '99 and some sad news |
Steve;
To me, there would be no question... rebuild the airplane and get it back i
n the air! You can't build another one quicker than you can rebuild one th
at you already have, and once you've built one, repairing and rebuilding is
far easier than trying to figure out a new one from scratch.
Or sell it to somebody here who is looking for a way to get into the game.
I've always liked the paint job on your airplane, too...Oscar ZunigaSan Ant
onio, TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: slightly off topic |
Nice work DJ!
Al Lyscars
Manchester, NH
----- Original Message -----
From: DJ Vegh
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: slightly off topic
But hoping some of you find it interesting. I don't hang around this
forum much lately. It's not because I don't like you guys anymore...
just busy with new work.
This is what I am doing these days. Shooting 360=B0 spherical
panoramas. Both from a helicopter and on the ground.
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_N560KT_cabin.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_N560KT_cockpit.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_44_monroe.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_downtown_phx_3.shtm
DJ Vegh
AZ ChopperCam
Mesa, AZ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: slightly off topic |
Neat stuff DJ, one question, how come you can't do a vertical 360? Just in
the horizontal direction? I quess the question would only occur to aviation
types.
Rick
On Jan 11, 2008 1:44 AM, DJ Vegh wrote:
> But hoping some of you find it interesting. I don't hang around this
> forum much lately. It's not because I don't like you guys anymore... jus
t
> busy with new work.
>
> This is what I am doing these days. Shooting 360=B0 spherical panoramas.
> Both from a helicopter and on the ground.
>
> http://azchoppercam.com/pano_N560KT_cabin.shtm
>
> http://azchoppercam.com/pano_N560KT_cockpit.shtm
>
> http://azchoppercam.com/pano_44_monroe.shtm
>
> http://azchoppercam.com/pano_downtown_phx_3.shtm
>
>
> DJ Vegh
> AZ ChopperCam
> Mesa, AZ
>
> *
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "bike.mike" <bike.mike(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: slightly off topic |
I didn't try the other shots, but the downtown Phoenix shot is very
nearly 360 in all directions.
Mike Hardaway
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: slightly off topic
Neat stuff DJ, one question, how come you can't do a vertical 360?
Just in the horizontal direction? I quess the question would only occur
to aviation types.
Rick
On Jan 11, 2008 1:44 AM, DJ Vegh < dj(at)veghdesign.com> wrote:
But hoping some of you find it interesting. I don't hang around
this forum much lately. It's not because I don't like you guys
anymore... just busy with new work.
This is what I am doing these days. Shooting 360=B0 spherical
panoramas. Both from a helicopter and on the ground.
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_N560KT_cabin.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_N560KT_cockpit.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_44_monroe.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_downtown_phx_3.shtm
DJ Vegh
AZ ChopperCam
Mesa, AZ
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
| Subject: | slightly off topic |
Does not say it on the site, but holding the shift key will zoom in and ctrl
will zoom out.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of bike.mike
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:00 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: slightly off topic
I didn't try the other shots, but the downtown Phoenix shot is very nearly
360 in all directions.
Mike Hardaway
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: slightly off topic
Neat stuff DJ, one question, how come you can't do a vertical 360? Just
in the horizontal direction? I quess the question would only occur to
aviation types.
Rick
On Jan 11, 2008 1:44 AM, DJ Vegh < dj(at)veghdesign.com> wrote:
But hoping some of you find it interesting. I don't hang around this
forum much lately. It's not because I don't like you guys anymore... just
busy with new work.
This is what I am doing these days. Shooting 360 spherical
panoramas. Both from a helicopter and on the ground.
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_N560KT_cabin.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_N560KT_cockpit.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_44_monroe.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_downtown_phx_3.shtm
DJ Vegh
AZ ChopperCam
Mesa, AZ
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
I checked out the video, pretty neat stuff, I can vaguely remember a show
years ago that feature the Pietenpol on TV I think it was an hour show by one of
the discovery channels. That's the thing that captivated me and made me want
to know more and ultimately build one.
I would love to purchase a copy of the show, however have no idea where one
would find it, I don't believe it was a speed channel show, but it may have
been when they featured the Wings segments.
Any remember the show? or know where I can get some info about it or a DVD
copy?
It was a great show and interviewed a bunch of people while introducing the
poor uneducated populous about the designer, the process and the bird.
John
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Re: slightly off topic |
Rick,
not quite sure what you mean but on most of the panoramas you can view
any angle you desire. Straight up or straight down included.
There's quite a trick to not having the helicopter and camera mount in
the shot. Primarily the tailboom and landing gear skids and the vertical
view. Trade secret!
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: slightly off topic
Neat stuff DJ, one question, how come you can't do a vertical 360?
Just in the horizontal direction? I quess the question would only occur
to aviation types.
Rick
On Jan 11, 2008 1:44 AM, DJ Vegh < dj(at)veghdesign.com> wrote:
But hoping some of you find it interesting. I don't hang around
this forum much lately. It's not because I don't like you guys
anymore... just busy with new work.
This is what I am doing these days. Shooting 360=B0 spherical
panoramas. Both from a helicopter and on the ground.
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_N560KT_cabin.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_N560KT_cockpit.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_44_monroe.shtm
http://azchoppercam.com/pano_downtown_phx_3.shtm
DJ Vegh
AZ ChopperCam
Mesa, AZ
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
To Bill Church.......you are 100% right about me aging but the plane
looking the same ! I keep telling my wife that it took me '48 years
to look this good honey'
and she just rolls her eyes.
John...the original production of that EAA video segment was shot by
Speedvision and aired sometime in the late fall of 1999 or early winter
of 2000 on Speedvision and was an hour long special about EAA Oshkosh
1999.
I made that Cessna 210 pilot slow fly to take those air-to-air shots but
good. He was a cocky SOB on the radio too. Photo One my ass.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Piet video |
I can't get the link to work at all now. What happened to it?
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Mike Cuy and the eternal fountain of youth |
Bill asked-
>How is it that Mike Cuy looks so young in the video, but his plane looks
>the same as it does now?
It's a program called "PhotoShop", Bill. By using it, the producers at EAA were
able to knock a good dozen years off of Mike's appearance, not to mention about
two full kegs worth of beer belly and an extra chin. They felt that publishing
the raw unedited footage might lead to credibility problems for non-aviation
types who saw his beautiful airplane but couldn't believe that somebody like
Mike could have built such a beauty, much less fit in it. The voice-over
was not really Mike speaking, either... they have Hollywood studio men with youthful
voices and good enunciation who did the sound track for the video.
I think Mike may have paid them off, too ;o)
The very best part of the video, for me, was hearing Steve's airplane spring to
life. I know that sound!!! Pocketa-pocketa-pop-pocketa goes the A65. Just
viewing the video made me once again pull out my stack of sectionals and keep
plugging away at possible routes and stops to Brodhead this summer.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Piet video |
Mike,
I got your DVD along with Chucks now I want the official one, any idea how I
can get the entire show DVD its a definite need for my library.
I have a place already for it in my library it will go right next to your
DVD and between chuck and the Great Waldo Pepper
BTW they are not lying to ya, having met ya in Broadhead 07 I can attest to
the differences between the EAA 1999 show, the Mike DVD and the in person
meeting... Sorry The good news and the bad are the same, the good news is
you'll never look any better than you do today, the bad news is: you'll never
look
as good as you once did and I mean it in the nicest possible way!
That my friend is the painful truth
Mike thanks for the info, if you can get a line on how to order a copy of
the DVD from that show I would appreciate the info.
Thanks again
John
In a message dated 1/11/2008 12:17:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:
To Bill Church.......you are 100% right about me aging but the plane looking
the same ! I keep telling my wife that it took me '48 years to look this
good honey'
and she just rolls her eyes.
John...the original production of that EAA video segment was shot by
Speedvision and aired sometime in the late fall of 1999 or early winter of 2000
on
Speedvision and was an hour long special about EAA Oshkosh 1999.
I made that Cessna 210 pilot slow fly to take those air-to-air shots but
good. He was a cocky SOB on the radio too. Photo One my ass.
Mike C.
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bryan Lowe <kingfm(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Piet video |
I gotta say, this video was pretty inspirational to me!
Bryan
Seattle
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ben Ramler <ben_ramler2002(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EAA Piet video |
since we are talking about piet videos. A qiucky for MR. Cuy. Michael do you still
have that video you put together when you were building contraption?
thanks,
Ben Ramler
"here we go again"
----- Original Message ----
From: "AMsafetyC(at)aol.com" <AMsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:47:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA Piet video
Mike,
I got your DVD along with Chucks now I want the official one, any idea how I can
get the entire show DVD its a definite need for my library.
I have a place already for it in my library it will go right next to your DVD and
between chuck and the Great Waldo Pepper
BTW they are not lying to ya, having met ya in Broadhead 07 I can attest to the
differences between the EAA 1999 show, the Mike DVD and the in person meeting...
Sorry The good news and the bad are the same, the good news is you'll never
look any better than you do today, the bad news is: you'll never look as good
as you once did and I mean it in the nicest possible way!
That my friend is the painful truth
Mike thanks for the info, if you can get a line on how to order a copy of the DVD
from that show I would appreciate the info.
Thanks again
John
In a message dated 1/11/2008 12:17:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov
writes:
To Bill Church.......you are 100% right about me aging but the plane looking the
same ! I keep telling my wife that it took me '48 years to look this good
honey'
and she just rolls her eyes.
John...the original production of that EAA video segment was shot by Speedvision
and aired sometime in the late fall of 1999 or early winter of 2000 on Speedvision
and was an hour long special about EAA Oshkosh 1999.
I made that Cessna 210 pilot slow fly to take those air-to-air shots but good.
He was a cocky SOB on the radio too. Photo One my ass.
Mike C.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Oscar, group,
I consider myself somewhat of a BS'er too Oscar but it is always nice to
hear from a professional:)
I believe the EAA video is more about the airplane than the owners or
builders in that the testimony we can take away from all of this is that
despite almost a decade of my continued 'growth' around the middle the
Pietenpol continues to levitate me summer after summer not giving
opinion one way or the other about how many more inches of seat belt it
might take to buckle me in. Though it's pilots may age, the Pietenpol
design does not.
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news |
Steve:
I am sorry to hear that your baby is broken. A rebuild is definitely in
order.
There is a ready built fuselage on ebay right now I think quite
reasonably priced
It may just be the way to go.
see Item number: 320204694335
Michael in Maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 99' and some sad news
Those were the days! That trip by far was the most memorable I've
made in an airplane. It literally brought me to tears when I realized
I was on my first return leg home after Brodhead 99'.
Now for some more tear shedding.
I've put off writing about this for almost a month, but my Aircamper
NX7229R has been mortally damaged in a landing mishap. The poor thing
has had its back broken. I sent it to live with my brother in south of
Tucson for the winter and on Dec 20, he called to say that he was OK,
but the piet was badly damaged when he pancaked it onto the runway. A
non-pilot airpark resident had run a stop sign on the bisecting access
road, and stopped in the middle of the runway when he saw my brother
coming. Instead of simply rolling on through he jammed it in reverse
and backed up. This distraction caused my brother to let the plane
slow, stall and drop to the runway. The longerons and the crossbrace at
the front gear/front lift strut attach point was crushed and buckled.
The fittings were pushed together about 4-5 inches. The wings sagged
down as the gear splayed, but somehow the prop remained untouched except
for a small dent on the leading edge when it hit a mesquite tree when
the poor piet left the runway. The lower cowling was damaged and the
gascolator deformed. Gas spilled, but thank heavens there was no fire.
There were no injuries to the solo pilot. The crash was witness by an
off duty officer and pilot, but since it occurred on private property no
citation was issued. The driver has denied any responsibility and
offered nothing in reparations. Only thing left to do is file a
lawsuit, but that really isn't in either of our natures. We are trying
to decide if the 10 year love affair with Aircamper 29R is over, or
simply another chapter is to be written as we build up or repair the
damaged fuselage. My brother has said he will buy me out and rebuild.
I still have the Stinson to fly, but can hardly imagine being without a
low and slow open cockpit airplane. Something in my head is whispering
0-200 powered? Maybe a new Rotec? What about a 120% scale Piet with
the 140HP LOM?
Steve 'E'
Spanish Fork, UT.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:37 PM
To: Pietenpol List
Subject: Pietenpol-List: great EAA video on Piets!!!!!!!
Ya gotta see it... Mike Cuy, Steve Eldredge, Lowell Frank, and a cast
of Pietenpols! 8:05 of video:
http://www.eaa.org/video/eaa.html?videoId=1373284259
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Ben,
Yes, I still have my 2.5 hour home production of building and flying my
Pietenpol. The DVD is very effective in sending unwanted family
members
out of any room you happen to be watching from as well as an FDA
approved substitute for Ambien, Ambien CR, and Lunesta if taken
regularly and
as prescribed. Side effects may include divorce, restless building
syndrome, erratic credit card purchases from Wicks, Aircraft Spruce, and
other
aircraft supply houses. $24 to 298 Runn Street, Berea, Ohio, 44017 for
priority mail US shipping.
More here: http://users.aol.com/bpabpabpa/cuyvideo.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news |
Steve,
Oscar is right. Rebuild it and continue to enjoy open cockpit flying!
Even if you have to build a complete fuselage structure, you won't have
to build all the other stuff that takes so much time. And you can
incorporate little modifications, based on the experience you have
gained, to make an even better Pietenpol.
Go for it!
Good luck,
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in chilly Alberta)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Steve,
I'll join the crying too. Once again the Piet structure pulled through to protect
the pilot. That's really great your brother was okay. Like Graham said building
a fuselage might not be a bad idea. The structure itself does go together
pretty quickly. The ambition can get kinda low after something like that
but I'll bet if you give it a little time the desire will really burn to get
it going again! You and your plane have created it's own legend over the last
several years!
I say go for it too!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157548#157548
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news |
Steve
Very sorry to hear of your loss. If you would seriously like to
consider re-building and take a vacation at the same time, we can build
you a new fuselage in the Wood shop at Sun n Fun. In one week you could
have a basic fuselage. All you would have to do is provide the basic
materials. We are always looking for projects
I will be out of town getting Sun next week so no return posts till
then.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 11:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 99' and some sad news
Those were the days! That trip by far was the most memorable I've
made in an airplane. It literally brought me to tears when I realized
I was on my first return leg home after Brodhead 99'.
Now for some more tear shedding.
I've put off writing about this for almost a month, but my Aircamper
NX7229R has been mortally damaged in a landing mishap. The poor thing
has had its back broken. I sent it to live with my brother in south of
Tucson for the winter and on Dec 20, he called to say that he was OK,
but the piet was badly damaged when he pancaked it onto the runway. A
non-pilot airpark resident had run a stop sign on the bisecting access
road, and stopped in the middle of the runway when he saw my brother
coming. Instead of simply rolling on through he jammed it in reverse
and backed up. This distraction caused my brother to let the plane
slow, stall and drop to the runway. The longerons and the crossbrace at
the front gear/front lift strut attach point was crushed and buckled.
The fittings were pushed together about 4-5 inches. The wings sagged
down as the gear splayed, but somehow the prop remained untouched except
for a small dent on the leading edge when it hit a mesquite tree when
the poor piet left the runway. The lower cowling was damaged and the
gascolator deformed. Gas spilled, but thank heavens there was no fire.
There were no injuries to the solo pilot. The crash was witness by an
off duty officer and pilot, but since it occurred on private property no
citation was issued. The driver has denied any responsibility and
offered nothing in reparations. Only thing left to do is file a
lawsuit, but that really isn't in either of our natures. We are trying
to decide if the 10 year love affair with Aircamper 29R is over, or
simply another chapter is to be written as we build up or repair the
damaged fuselage. My brother has said he will buy me out and rebuild.
I still have the Stinson to fly, but can hardly imagine being without a
low and slow open cockpit airplane. Something in my head is whispering
0-200 powered? Maybe a new Rotec? What about a 120% scale Piet with
the 140HP LOM?
Steve 'E'
Spanish Fork, UT.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:37 PM
To: Pietenpol List
Subject: Pietenpol-List: great EAA video on Piets!!!!!!!
Ya gotta see it... Mike Cuy, Steve Eldredge, Lowell Frank, and a cast
of Pietenpols! 8:05 of video:
http://www.eaa.org/video/eaa.html?videoId=1373284259
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news |
Graham Hansen wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Oscar is right. Rebuild it and continue to enjoy open cockpit flying!
>
> Even if you have to build a complete fuselage structure, you won't
> have to build all the other stuff that takes so much time. And you can
> incorporate little modifications, based on the experience you have
> gained, to make an even better Pietenpol.
>
> Go for it!
>
> Good luck,
>
> Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in chilly Alberta)
Steve,
I have a couple of spare fuselage sides here in Sonoma, CA that you can
have as a start if you can find a way to get them up there. We're at
least on the same side of the Mississippi.
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport version, N154JP
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue |
Hey Gang!
A few weeks ago I put the word out that I'm very interested in publishing an
"All Pietenpol" issue of our magazine. Although a few of you came forward
and offered article ideas, the overall response was underwhelming to say the
least.
I KNOW it's not from a lack of interest, but rather it's probably from one
or more of the following reasons:
1) What the heck is CONTACT! Magazine???
2) My plane isn't nice enough to be in a magazine.
3) My project is incomplete.
4) I'm not using an "alternative engine".
5) I don't know how to write.
6) I'm building a GN-1
7) I'm a lurker and don't even own a Pietenpol.
To answer those concerns I offer the following:
1) COONTACT! Magazine is a bimonthly, independent experimental aviation
magazine, operated as a non-profit, educational resource. There are no ads*
in our magazine, just 100% experimental aviation, the type of stuff you
can't find in the other overly-commercial publications available today.
I just put up on our website (for a limited time) a PDF of an entire issue
of our magazine so you can see an example of it, cover-to-cover. It's an
older issue, one of my favorites, and a very popular issue as it sold out
almost immediately. Back issues if this one are only available as laser
reprints.
To download it go to www.ContactMagaine.com From there, look for the
"current issue" button. Once on the "current issue" page, scroll down to
Issue #79. Look for the "DOWNLOAD NOW" hyperlink. The file is a bit over
five megs.
*We have a classifieds section that's printed on the otherwise wasted "cover
wrap" used to protect the magazine during mailing. It's only available to
subscribers and can not contain commercial ads.
2) Our magazine does not deal exclusively with award-winning projects. We
honor innovation and respect anything built by hand and are just not
interested in projects completed by hired guns and cubic dollars. This
magazine is for experimenters, by experimenters.
3) How many of us would walk into someone's hangar and turn our collective
noses up at an incomplete project? Not me! I love the nuts-and-bolts, seeing
how stuff goes together and learning from the process. Our readers are the
same way. Other magazines find incomplete projects taboo. We feel that if
our readers can learn from a project, incomplete or not, we want to feature
it.
4) CONTACT! Magazine has a reputation of being an "alternative engine"
magazine. Although we feel that it's just not right to spend more money on
an engine than you'd spend on the entire balance of the plane, and as a
result we like to feature new and different engines, mostly auto
conversions, we also feature the balance of experimental aviation. So for
the all-Pietenpol issue, we'll be featuring the plane AND the powerplants,
certified or not, hoping to showcase the spectrum of engines being used,
including again, certified engines.
5) We can certainly help with the writing. Although it makes our lives much
easier when we receive a fully-written article, by no means do we ever
expect to get something we can simply cut-and-paste into the magazine. We
can help across the board; just let me know your concerns.
6) Let me put it this way.... if it's at home in Brodhead, it's welcome in
this issue.
7) Even if you don't have a plane or project, maybe you can let me know of a
plane or project that we might pursue for the magazine.
Ok, I've taken up far too much of your time with this. Hopefully I've
motivated a few of you to help me out. We all know that there's a rich
history with the Pietenpol and for the most part, it's neglected in the
current crop of magazines that are more interested in selling ad space than
they are with exploring all aspects of experimental aviation. So with that,
please consider helping us produce an honorable depiction of the current
state of all things Pietenpol.
Thanks!!!
Patrick Panzera
Editor(at)ContactMagazine.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Steve's Fuselage |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
All I know is that Steve's damaged fuselage should go in some museum
somewhere with a plaque that says something about
"This fuselage was flown by Steve E. in 1999 powered by a unassuming 65
hp engine (non-turbo, non-fuel injected, non-anything)
over peaks towering as high as ten thousand feet enroute to Wisconsin in
July of 1999 and the pilot lived to talk about it.
I can't imagine the backbone it must have taken to fly an open cockpit
Pietenpol from Utah to Wisconsin over those rugged
mountains and back again.
I say when finances and time permit---rebuild, resurrect, inspect, and
fly again !
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue |
> To download it go to www.ContactMagaine.com
<http://www.contactmagazine.com/> From there, look for the
> "current issue" button. Once on the "current issue" page, scroll down to
> Issue #79. Look for the "DOWNLOAD NOW" hyperlink. The file is a bit over
> five megs.
It looks like I dropped a z out of the URL.
The proper link is www.ContactMagazine.com <http://www.contactmagazine.com/>
Sorry.
Pat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) |
| Subject: | Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue |
Hello Pat I think there are a couple of other reasons why you got no
reply from Model A Pietenpol builders. First, the percentage of Piet
builders using the Model A engine is tiny compared to other engines.
Many have started out with a Model A engine, than after problems
switched to a different engine. Second, this list seems to be a
builders list. In the 5 or 6 years (or more, I don't remember exactly)
that I have been here, most of the guys who finish their airplanes leave
the list, so they didn't see your post. I only know of around 4 or 5
builders who have stayed with the list after completion, and none of
them are using the Ford engine. Leon Stefan 9 years into a 2 year Model
A Piet project, ready for cover, but probably will waste 2008's warm
weather building season cleaning up from Decembers 300 year ice storm
instead of covering the Piet. I also blew my covering money buying a
generator so as not to be caught in the cold and dark again. AGAIN LEON
S. IN DEPRESSING KANSAS LONGING FOR THE DAY I CAN SHOUT "ain't life
grand!!! OR AS CHUCK WOULD SAY " yeeeeeeeeee haw!!!.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Hi Pat,
Sign me up. What kind of information would you like and how would you like it sent? I could write somewhat of a story if you'd like. I could get some pictures to you, but there are several of mine already on Chris Tracy's fantastic site, www.WestCoastPiet.com. Any promotion of the Pietenpol design to others in the aviation world is good!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157710#157710
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | HelsperSew(at)aol.com |
Mike,
I can't stop laughing as of 5 minutes after reading your post!!! My wife
agrees with the divorce part!! If I don't laugh I will cry!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
For what it's worth.
A while back someone on this list asked about forming windshilds made
from plexiglass. I needed to make a replacement windshild for my Piet
as the windshild it came with was tinted dark and in low light
conditions it was difficult to see towers. The windshild has two bends
in it (flat in front with bends at the sides) and I was told that to
bend either plexiglass or lexan you needed to use an oven at about 250
degrees. Unable to locate an oven big enough, I was forced to try other
ways.
Here's what I found that worked for me.
I decided to use 1/8th Lexan as it won't shatter like plexiglass will.
I was able to make clean cuts with a jigsaw with a 14 tpi blade. I
found my cuts were best when made with a slow speed. To make the bends
I did a lot trial and error. I obtained great results by building a jig
for the windshild, cutting out the windshild, then forming one bend at
a time using a heat gun (the same one I use to preheat my A 65 for cold
weather starting). I found that by keeping the heat gun between 3 & 4
inches above the lexan and moving it back and forth over the area of the
bend at the rate of about 6" every second, it would take about 1.5 to 2
minutes for the lexan to soften enough to bend. If you don't keep the
heat gun moving or you get too close, the lexan will bubble, ruining
your work. In my experimenting I tried both Plexiglass and lexan and
found it works well with both. I was able to make nice bends in Lexan,
up to 1/4" thick. Drilling holes is easy as long as you use a slow
speed. I finished the edges with a file and sandpaper.
I would suggest using scrap pieces and experimenting before trying to
form the "real" piece as it did take a little practice to get it right.
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
| From: | "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com> |
Gene,
I asked about it recently.. was trying, and am still trying to find a good template
for the shape of the thing. I went thru all my plans and none of them have
anything. (GN-1/Pietenpol Aerial/JN-4/Glider manual Pietenpol), anyway quite
a bit of advice about how to cut and shape and finish plexiglas is available.
Picked up a nice sheet of it at a reasonable price, but short of guessing and
playing with cardboard, I haven't ran across any templates. Surely someone has
a good one, nearly every piet I have seen had windshields on them. Is the one,
or are the ones your replacing a good shape? if you have them off can you get
an outline of them, shape would help, dimensions would be better, and something
printable would be awesome. Anyone?
Jim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157743#157743
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
Jim,
When I bought my plans from Don Pietenpol a template was included. I used it
and am happy with the results. I could rough some measurements from it if
you like.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
Gene,
I asked about it recently.. was trying, and am still trying to find a good
template for the shape of the thing. I went thru all my plans and none of
them have anything. (GN-1/Pietenpol Aerial/JN-4/Glider manual Pietenpol),
anyway quite a bit of advice about how to cut and shape and finish plexiglas
is available. Picked up a nice sheet of it at a reasonable price, but short
of guessing and playing with cardboard, I haven't ran across any templates.
Surely someone has a good one, nearly every piet I have seen had windshields
on them. Is the one, or are the ones your replacing a good shape? if you
have them off can you get an outline of them, shape would help, dimensions
would be better, and something printable would be awesome. Anyone?
Jim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157743#157743
2:04 PM
2:04 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
| From: | AmsafetyC(at)aol.com |
I didn't get one, not that I need it at the moment. I like everyone else building
will need it in the future.
John
That's the long version of me too
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:36:44
To:
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
Jim,
When I bought my plans from Don Pietenpol a template was included. I used it
and am happy with the results. I could rough some measurements from it if
you like.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
Gene,
I asked about it recently.. was trying, and am still trying to find a good
template for the shape of the thing. I went thru all my plans and none of
them have anything. (GN-1/Pietenpol Aerial/JN-4/Glider manual Pietenpol),
anyway quite a bit of advice about how to cut and shape and finish plexiglas
is available. Picked up a nice sheet of it at a reasonable price, but short
of guessing and playing with cardboard, I haven't ran across any templates.
Surely someone has a good one, nearly every piet I have seen had windshields
on them. Is the one, or are the ones your replacing a good shape? if you
have them off can you get an outline of them, shape would help, dimensions
would be better, and something printable would be awesome. Anyone?
Jim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157743#157743
2:04 PM
2:04 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | glue front seat front support? |
Dear Pieters,
Is the front support of the front seat supposed to be glued to the
fuselage crossmember that is glued to the floor? Out front seat is
held in by just two bolts at the back of the seat. Unscrew those
bolts and the seat pulls right out. Is that a bug or a feature? ;-)
Thanks for any thoughts or experience,
Jeff
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
Gene,
Excellent information. One more thing to add as I work with many different types
of plastic and carbon fiber.....Again try this on scrap piece of material
before the real deal.
Take 500 grit wet and dry sand paper and find some acrylic floor wax. apply the
floor wax to the sand paper and carefully sand the edges around your plastic.
It should round the edges real nice and make a smooth dull colored edge like
on the top of door glass in your automobile. As with carbon fiber, this method
makes the sharp edges disappear!
Just my two cents worth!
Village idiot......
Gene & Tammy wrote:
For what it's worth.
A while back someone on this list asked about forming windshilds made from plexiglass.
I needed to make a replacement windshild for my Piet as the windshild
it came with was tinted dark and in low light conditions it was difficult to
see towers. The windshild has two bends in it (flat in front with bends at
the sides) and I was told that to bend either plexiglass or lexan you needed to
use an oven at about 250 degrees. Unable to locate an oven big enough, I was
forced to try other ways.
Here's what I found that worked for me.
I decided to use 1/8th Lexan as it won't shatter like plexiglass will. I was
able to make clean cuts with a jigsaw with a 14 tpi blade. I found my cuts were
best when made with a slow speed. To make the bends I did a lot trial and
error. I obtained great results by building a jig for the windshild, cutting
out the windshild, then forming one bend at a time using a heat gun (the same
one I use to preheat my A 65 for cold weather starting). I found that by keeping
the heat gun between 3 & 4 inches above the lexan and moving it back and
forth over the area of the bend at the rate of about 6" every second, it would
take about 1.5 to 2 minutes for the lexan to soften enough to bend. If you
don't keep the heat gun moving or you get too close, the lexan will bubble, ruining
your work. In my experimenting I tried both Plexiglass and lexan and found
it works well with both. I was able to make nice bends in Lexan, up to 1/4"
thick. Drilling holes is easy as long as you
use a slow speed. I finished the edges with a file and sandpaper.
I would suggest using scrap pieces and experimenting before trying to form the
"real" piece as it did take a little practice to get it right.
Gene
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| From: | "gcardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: glue front seat front support? |
Hi Jeff,
The front seat support frame should be glued in. The seat takes a lot of
abuse with people crawling in and out. Glueing will result in a much more
durable seat structure.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: glue front seat front support?
>
> Dear Pieters,
>
> Is the front support of the front seat supposed to be glued to the
> fuselage crossmember that is glued to the floor? Out front seat is held in
> by just two bolts at the back of the seat. Unscrew those bolts and the
> seat pulls right out. Is that a bug or a feature? ;-)
>
> Thanks for any thoughts or experience,
>
> Jeff
> --
> ---
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Molecular Vision
>
>
>
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
Thanks for that trick! I'll find the wax and give it a try.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
Take 500 grit wet and dry sand paper and find some acrylic floor wax.
apply the floor wax to the sand paper and carefully sand the edges
around your plastic. It should round the edges real nice and make a
smooth dull colored edge like on the top of door glass in your
automobile. As with carbon fiber, this method makes the sharp edges
disappear!
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
Jim,
I do like the shape of my windshilds with their formed bends. I have seen a
lot of the Piet windshilds without the formed bends and they look good also.
I can take a photo of mine and pass it on if you would like. If you like
the looks I'll send you a template.
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
| From: | "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi,
Any good layouts, measurements, etc would be appreciated.
Thought of using good sized (larger) band-aids as templates for the fittings, as
they have about the right shape and I have them on hand. My plexiglas is the
thinner variety that a number of sources recommended as being able to be bent
cold without needing any kind of heat treatment.
Jim
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| From: | Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu> |
| Subject: | Brodhead 99' and some sad news |
Darrel,
Thanks for the generous offer! I'll let my brother know. I'm sure he is going
to rebuild it.
Steve E
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrel Jones
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 99' and some sad news
Graham Hansen wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Oscar is right. Rebuild it and continue to enjoy open cockpit flying!
>
> Even if you have to build a complete fuselage structure, you won't
> have to build all the other stuff that takes so much time. And you can
> incorporate little modifications, based on the experience you have
> gained, to make an even better Pietenpol.
>
> Go for it!
>
> Good luck,
>
> Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in chilly Alberta)
Steve,
I have a couple of spare fuselage sides here in Sonoma, CA that you can
have as a start if you can find a way to get them up there. We're at
least on the same side of the Mississippi.
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport version, N154JP
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news |
Hey Steve;
Sorry to hear about your Piet - if you need a hand here in UT, let me know.
Cheers
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: glue front seat front support? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Jeff,
I went ahead and added a couple of vertical supports at the back of the seat.
I saw Duane Tulba come back with a passenger once at Brodhead and the seat bottom
had broken away from the seat back. That could create some problems with
the rudder bar underneath. Not a bad idea to add a couple of uprights to support
the back of the seat bottom just like the front is supported.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue |
just have a project started, but if you need pics of a long fuselage with the
Price door mod (and someday a '64 110hp Corvair engine) that's what I have. I've
just been working on it for the last two weeks (I've been on Christmas vacation
as I'm a high school drafting and automotive teacher), but it's starting
to take shape. It's funny to think that just a couple weeks ago this was just
some sticks on the garage floor. I had previously done the wing ribs and vert
stab but it's just been this break that I've worked on the fuse. I guess it
shows how quickly a piet starts to take shape and fool you into thinking you
have a lot done.
I've attached a couple pics. but if they don't come through then you can look
on my photobucket page here :
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x33/dskogrover/Pietenpol%20Project/Pietenpol%20Fuselage/
Michael Groah
Tulare CA
Hey Gang!
A few weeks ago I put the word out that I'm very interested in publishing an
"All Pietenpol" issue of our magazine. Although a few of you came forward
and offered article ideas, the overall response was underwhelming to say the
least.
I KNOW it's not from a lack of interest, but rather it's probably from one
or more of the following reasons:
1) What the heck is CONTACT! Magazine???
2) My plane isn't nice enough to be in a magazine.
3) My project is incomplete.
4) I'm not using an "alternative engine".
5) I don't know how to write.
6) I'm building a GN-1
7) I'm a lurker and don't even own a Pietenpol.
To answer those concerns I offer the following:
1) COONTACT! Magazine is a bimonthly, independent experimental aviation
magazine, operated as a non-profit, educational resource. There are no ads*
in our magazine, just 100% experimental aviation, the type of stuff you
can't find in the other overly-commercial publications available today.
I just put up on our website (for a limited time) a PDF of an entire issue
of our magazine so you can see an example of it, cover-to-cover. It's an
older issue, one of my favorites, and a very popular issue as it sold out
almost immediately. Back issues if this one are only available as laser
reprints.
To download it go to www.ContactMagaine.com From there, look for the
"current issue" button. Once on the "current issue" page, scroll down to
Issue #79. Look for the "DOWNLOAD NOW" hyperlink. The file is a bit over
five megs.
*We have a classifieds section that's printed on the otherwise wasted "cover
wrap" used to protect the magazine during mailing. It's only available to
subscribers and can not contain commercial ads.
2) Our magazine does not deal exclusively with award-winning projects. We
honor innovation and respect anything built by hand and are just not
interested in projects completed by hired guns and cubic dollars. This
magazine is for experimenters, by experimenters.
3) How many of us would walk into someone's hangar and turn our collective
noses up at an incomplete project? Not me! I love the nuts-and-bolts, seeing
how stuff goes together and learning from the process. Our readers are the
same way. Other magazines find incomplete projects taboo. We feel that if
our readers can learn from a project, incomplete or not, we want to feature
it.
4) CONTACT! Magazine has a reputation of being an "alternative engine"
magazine. Although we feel that it's just not right to spend more money on
an engine than you'd spend on the entire balance of the plane, and as a
result we like to feature new and different engines, mostly auto
conversions, we also feature the balance of experimental aviation. So for
the all-Pietenpol issue, we'll be featuring the plane AND the powerplants,
certified or not, hoping to showcase the spectrum of engines being used,
including again, certified engines.
5) We can certainly help with the writing. Although it makes our lives much
easier when we receive a fully-written article, by no means do we ever
expect to get something we can simply cut-and-paste into the magazine. We
can help across the board; just let me know your concerns.
6) Let me put it this way.... if it's at home in Brodhead, it's welcome in
this issue.
7) Even if you don't have a plane or project, maybe you can let me know of a
plane or project that we might pursue for the magazine.
Ok, I've taken up far too much of your time with this. Hopefully I've
motivated a few of you to help me out. We all know that there's a rich
history with the Pietenpol and for the most part, it's neglected in the
current crop of magazines that are more interested in selling ad space than
they are with exploring all aspects of experimental aviation. So with that,
please consider helping us produce an honorable depiction of the current
state of all things Pietenpol.
Thanks!!!
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| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
Gene,
Any acrylic floor wax you can buy over the counter works just fine! This is a
trade secret in my profession when building artificial limbs and braces!
Ken H
Gene & Tammy wrote:
Thanks for that trick! I'll find the wax and give it a try.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
Take 500 grit wet and dry sand paper and find some acrylic floor wax. apply the
floor wax to the sand paper and carefully sand the edges around your plastic.
It should round the edges real nice and make a smooth dull colored edge like
on the top of door glass in your automobile. As with carbon fiber, this method
makes the sharp edges disappear!
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: glue front seat front support? |
Don,
Thanks much for the information. The original builder of our Piet
must've agreed with you as our the seat back has added support.
Did you glue the whole thing in, front and back? Ours was constructed
such that the back fits sort of like a post-and-beam barn is
constructed. The front legs simply rest on the crossmember and the
plywood facing simply rests on the floor. It's been OK for 400 hours,
but seems a bit flimsy.
Thanks,
Jeff
>
>Jeff,
>
>I went ahead and added a couple of vertical supports at the back of
>the seat. I saw Duane Tulba come back with a passenger once at
>Brodhead and the seat bottom had broken away from the seat back.
>That could create some problems with the rudder bar underneath. Not
>a bad idea to add a couple of uprights to support the back of the
>seat bottom just like the front is supported.
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157826#157826
>
>
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | stripping varnish |
Pieters,
I need to strip some varnish from the plywood on the Piet so that I
can epoxy on some repair pieces. I've tried planing, sanding, and
using chemical stripper. So far, the stripper seems to work best and
the planing the worst.
Is there an "acceptable" way to do this?
Thanks,
Jeff
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| From: | "Andrew M Eldredge" <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news |
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| From: | Michael Fisher <mfisher(at)gci.net> |
| Subject: | Inverted Pietenpol Scout Engine |
"Ford Escort, the engine
donor for my Ford/Scout inverted powerplant project."
Mike
How is this engine project going? Is the Escort a pushrod engine? I am considering
inverting a Ford v6 vulcan.
Matt
Hi Matt,
The 1.9 Escort engine has a single overhead cam. It develops good torque at low
RPM, so it can swing a 74 inch Prop with enough pitch to pull a Scout along
at about 70 MPH. It is currently on a Scout mount hanging on my shop wall, with
an SAE #2 propeller flange mount bolted to its crankshaft, and looking like
a potential aircraft engine I might fly behind.
Dry sumping is quite tricky, involving a sump pump, separate oil tank, check valves,
plumbing, and venting. After buying a Lincoln Precision 185 TIG welder
and investing several hundred dollars on argon and other expendable supplies,
along with many hours of practice, my aluminum welds are looking better. I'm
just now getting to a point where converting the aluminum valve cover and oil
pan to a sump and crankcase cover, with extensive welding, seems doable.
Pushrod engines might be a bit easier to convert, because the pushrod holes provide
drain channels from the crankcase to the valve covers. Good luck on your
Vulcan project. What aircraft do you hope to power with it?
Happy landings,
Mike Fisher
Talkeetna, Alaska
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | glue front seat front support? |
As Don noted, I was concerned about the lack of support for the aft edge of
the front seat so when I rebuilt the one on 41CC, it seemed easy and advis
able to add verticals and I did.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrag
s@hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: glue front seat front support? |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Hi Jeff,
Mine is just like the plans, with the addition of two small uprights to help support
the seat frame at the back edge where it is glued to the seat back. I glued
the frame of the seat in as a permanent structure then I attached the actual
plywood seat to the frame with velcro. I did build the seat frame with dowels
to help strengthen it. It is nice to have access to the rudder bar area
for inspection and to get the washer, nut, or cotter pin that WILL fall under
the seat.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157859#157859
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | stripping varnish |
Jeff; in the repair and rebuild of sections of 41CC I had occasion to remov
e varnish in many places but none of them very extensively. My experience
is therefore limited and I'm certainly no woodworker, but all I did was san
d away the varnish before epoxying and I believe all of the new joints came
out nice and tight.
Varnish is quite thin though, so I'm sure it goes way deeper than sanding w
ill remove. Just not sure how detrimental that residue is to an epoxy goin
g on over it.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsit
e at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
Jim,
I suggest you Google "Fly Baby Windshields". Very interesting.
Gene
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: stripping varnish |
Jeff,
A heat gun is a must when removing varnish. With a little practice you will
learn to heat the varnish just to the point it becomes "gummy" and it will
scrape right off with a scraper. Once the varnish is removed you can use
the heat gun to preheat your engine in cold weather.
Gene
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: stripping varnish |
Gene,
Thanks for the suggestion. The chemical stripper seems to have worked
well, but I'll try the heat gun next!
Jeff
>
>Jeff,
>A heat gun is a must when removing varnish. With a little practice
>you will learn to heat the varnish just to the point it becomes
>"gummy" and it will scrape right off with a scraper. Once the
>varnish is removed you can use the heat gun to preheat your engine
>in cold weather.
>Gene
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| From: | "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Calling on all you creative minds,,,need a step stool |
Now that we'uns in the North East are bracing for a So-Wester. And 10 to
12 inches of snow is expected,,,Been thinking about flying in the
spring.
Saw Mike Cuy on the EAA flick, and got to thinking.
Been getting harder and harder to do the high Kick to get into the Piet.
Is there a foldable step stool around that would help in getting in, and
could be brought in with a cord to fly with me in the back seat?
Thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
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| From: | Gary Meadows <gwmeadows(at)hotmail.com> |
Hey Steve,
It's been a long time and I've only been back on the list for a few weeks,
so I saw your heartbreaking post about your Piet. I'm not sure I'd have th
e gumption to rebuild after a serious crack-up, heck, I'm having trouble ge
tting through the initial build, but I agree with Mr. Cuy (hey Mike!) and e
veryone else - I sure hope you do. You have a ton of good reusable parts an
d I've heard that the second time through is much easier with all those bui
lding smarts you have now. So if it were up for vote, I'd cast my as an AYE
in favor of the rebuild!
Hey everyone else out there in Piet-list land - it's been awhile, but I'm
back and building again and it's fun again. I took a break from aviation fo
r a few years there, but I'm back now. I guess I'll go back out and make a
ton of obnoxious metal screaming noises and try to finish all those steel p
arts that seem so inconsequential when you look over the plans, but yet to
painful for me to actually finish!
Jack Phillips - I have the picture of your Piet in front of your hangar as
my wallpaper on my workstation at work. It's a beautiful plane and a non-s
top reminder to keep at it.
Mike Cuy - I STILL watch your video (VHS- and heck, you still look as youn
g there!!!) on my tv in the bedroom and it's STILL great and I'm STILL marr
ied!! What a gal!!
Take care everyone and good luck Steve in whatever you choose to do.
Gary Meadows
Spring, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news |
| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
Steve,
I know better than most the heartbreak of having to rebuild an airplane
you built with your own hands. The damage my Pietenpol sustained in the
forced landing it went through one month after its first flight was not
as extensive as yours, although I did have a cracked lower longeron to
deal with. It took me 8 months to repair the damage and I nearly had to
whip myself to make me go down in the basement to work on it. Building
an airplane is fun. Re-building it is no fun at all. However, once
done you will be glad you did it. I'll bet John Dilatush is sorry now
that he sold "Mountain Piet" after its crash. He couldn't bear the
thought of rebuilding it. Now I'll bet he wishes he had kept it and
rebuilt it.
Hang in there - you can do it, and as many have suggested, you can make
it better than before.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news
Steve,
I'll join the crying too. Once again the Piet structure pulled through
to protect the pilot. That's really great your brother was okay. Like
Graham said building a fuselage might not be a bad idea. The structure
itself does go together pretty quickly. The ambition can get kinda low
after something like that but I'll bet if you give it a little time the
desire will really burn to get it going again! You and your plane have
created it's own legend over the last several years!
I say go for it too!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
Good to have you back on the list, Gary. Haven't heard much from you in
a long time.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Meadows
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rebuild SteveE
Hey Steve,
It's been a long time and I've only been back on the list for a few
weeks, so I saw your heartbreaking post about your Piet. I'm not sure
I'd have the gumption to rebuild after a serious crack-up, heck, I'm
having trouble getting through the initial build, but I agree with Mr.
Cuy (hey Mike!) and everyone else - I sure hope you do. You have a ton
of good reusable parts and I've heard that the second time through is
much easier with all those building smarts you have now. So if it were
up for vote, I'd cast my as an AYE in favor of the rebuild!
Hey everyone else out there in Piet-list land - it's been awhile, but
I'm back and building again and it's fun again. I took a break from
aviation for a few years there, but I'm back now. I guess I'll go back
out and make a ton of obnoxious metal screaming noises and try to finish
all those steel parts that seem so inconsequential when you look over
the plans, but yet to painful for me to actually finish!
Jack Phillips - I have the picture of your Piet in front of your hangar
as my wallpaper on my workstation at work. It's a beautiful plane and a
non-stop reminder to keep at it.
Mike Cuy - I STILL watch your video (VHS- and heck, you still look as
young there!!!) on my tv in the bedroom and it's STILL great and I'm
STILL married!! What a gal!!
Take care everyone and good luck Steve in whatever you choose to do.
Gary Meadows
Spring, TX
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | SteveE broken fuze |
Steve,
If a complete short fuze would fit your plans, contact me on my email address.
Also proivide your phone number. Recognizing your heartbreak, I will give you
a good deal that I would not give anyone else. The fuze and I are a little
north of Austin.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
>Sent: Jan 14, 2008 6:58 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news
>
>
>Steve,
>
>I know better than most the heartbreak of having to rebuild an airplane
>you built with your own hands. The damage my Pietenpol sustained in the
>forced landing it went through one month after its first flight was not
>as extensive as yours, although I did have a cracked lower longeron to
>deal with. It took me 8 months to repair the damage and I nearly had to
>whip myself to make me go down in the basement to work on it. Building
>an airplane is fun. Re-building it is no fun at all. However, once
>done you will be glad you did it. I'll bet John Dilatush is sorry now
>that he sold "Mountain Piet" after its crash. He couldn't bear the
>thought of rebuilding it. Now I'll bet he wishes he had kept it and
>rebuilt it.
>
>Hang in there - you can do it, and as many have suggested, you can make
>it better than before.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:03 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news
>
>
>Steve,
>
>I'll join the crying too. Once again the Piet structure pulled through
>to protect the pilot. That's really great your brother was okay. Like
>Graham said building a fuselage might not be a bad idea. The structure
>itself does go together pretty quickly. The ambition can get kinda low
>after something like that but I'll bet if you give it a little time the
>desire will really burn to get it going again! You and your plane have
>created it's own legend over the last several years!
>
>I say go for it too!
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 99' and some sad news |
Steve,
I agree with Jack and others. It is no fun rebuilding - it's easy to
lose motivation. Part of the problem, for me anyway, is that it's not
always clear what an acceptable repair is or even how to most
efficiently and safely remove damaged pieces. Few people build wood
planes; even fewer rebuild them! However, we are nearing the finish
line with our rebuild, so it can be done!
My only advice (not that you asked) is to bone up on the FAA AC
43.13, the Bingelis books, and archives of this list before you start
cutting. We made more work for ourselves by not doing that.
Good luck,
Jeff
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Calling on all you creative minds,,,need a step stool |
Walt,
I share your interest in getting into the plane without injury. In fact, I find
I am getting decrepit faster than I am finishing the plane. I've thought of
this stepstool, too, but like the idea fo permaqnanet steps outside the plane
better than anything that would be underfoot in the too-tight Piet cockpit.
In fact, I am planning two steps for the pilot on the port side of the craft, and
also having the center wing flipper connect to the first rib bay on the port
wing, so it flips as well. I am hoping thus that head, shoulders, knees, and
feet can all make it into the plane without dismemberment. I saw a pic of a
Piet with two steps, and I have the steel streamline tubing dedicated for two
steps. I still need some square steel tubing to go into it, for most of the
assembly's strength. That tubing will extend insdie the fuze and bolt down well
inside as a counter-lever to my great weight.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: walt evans <waltdak(at)verizon.net>
>Sent: Jan 13, 2008 6:01 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Calling on all you creative minds,,,need a step stool
>
>Now that we'uns in the North East are bracing for a So-Wester. And 10 to 12 inches
of snow is expected,,,Been thinking about flying in the spring.
>Saw Mike Cuy on the EAA flick, and got to thinking.
>
>Been getting harder and harder to do the high Kick to get into the Piet.
>Is there a foldable step stool around that would help in getting in, and could
be brought in with a cord to fly with me in the back seat?
>
>Thanks
>
>walt evans
>NX140DL
>
>"No one ever learned anything by talking"
>Ben Franklin
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| Subject: | Even F-15's suffer from longeron breaks |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Note to self: don't pull 8 g's if ever at the controls of an
F-15......or a Pietenpol.
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/images/f-15_missouri_crash.wmv
<http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/images/f-15_missouri_crash.wmv>
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Airfoil comparison (oh no, not again) |
Rick,
Actually, I believe we have one member who did a side-by side comparison. He changed
the wings from Piet to Riblett, made comparisons and then LATER changed
the engine to a more powerful radial. I don't recall his name, but think I have
the related notes on my other computer. I recall the builder was in "Piet
country"-- MN or WI, in my memory.
The results were a softer landing stall and 10 mph higher cruising speed, as I
recall, with no offsets in takeoff roll, climbrate, etc. There should have have
been better glide ratio and improved range, too.
This is about all you would expect from such a change, but surely enough to warrant
using the Riblett airfoil, unless you want "pure Piet." If you are a purist,
it's a sacrilege, and if not, it's an advantage. In my case, Corky built
some beautiful Piet ribs, and I will be using them. If he had not, I would likely
use the Riblett foil.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Church <eng(at)canadianrogers.com>
>Sent: Jan 9, 2008 10:25 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airfoil comparison (oh no, not again)
>
>Actually Rick, my ribs are all built.
>And they're 100% Pietenpol FC10.
>The comparison was done purely out of curiosity, to see how the two
>compared.
>
>I think the only way to do a real comparison of the two airfoils, as
>applied to the Air Camper, would be to build a complete plane with the
>traditional Pietenpol airfoil, and fly it, and record the performance
>data, and then remove the Pietenpol wing, and replace it with a wing
>built with the Riblett airfoil (without making any other changes to the
>airplane), and repeat the process. Only then would one get a real
>"apples to apples" comparison of how the airfoil affects performance of
>this plane.My plan for the time being is to proceed with the first part
>of the comparison - that is, build a complete plane with the traditional
>Pietenpol airfoil. My gut feeling is that the Riblett airfoil probably
>would give some performance improvements, but nothing near some of the
>claims I have heard (someone I overheard at Brodhead said the Riblett
>airfoil would double the cruise speed, cut takeoff distance in half AND
>lower the stall speed - somehow I don't think it will do that.).
>
>
>Bill C
>
>
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| From: | "Matt Naiva" <corvaircoupe(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Calling on all you creative minds,,,need a step stool |
Walt,
You may want to experiment with the stability of some of the shorter tripod
campstools. The stool would also come in handy when Aircamping on a
riverbed when you cook up the morning catch.
Regards,
Matt
examples from $6 to $109
http://amplestuff.safeshopper.com/217/cat217.htm
http://sportsdirection.stores.yahoo.net/sportsseat.html
http://www.nextag.com/tripod-stool/search-html
* *Calling on all you creative minds,,,need a step stool*
Now that we'uns in the North East are bracing for a So-Wester. And 10
to
12 inches of snow is expected,,,Been thinking about flying in the
spring.
Saw Mike Cuy on the EAA flick, and got to thinking.
Been getting harder and harder to do the high Kick to get into the
Piet.
Is there a foldable step stool around that would help in getting in,
and
could be brought in with a cord to fly with me in the back seat?
Thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Calling on all you creative minds,,,need a step stool |
Check out West Marine.....they have a good selection of various types of ladders
and steps you could attach to the plane and fold up! They do have a unique aluminum
step you attach to the side of the boat and you simply lift it up and
fold it over.....
Matt Naiva wrote: Walt,
You may want to experiment with the stability of some of the shorter tripod campstools.
The stool would also come in handy when Aircamping on a riverbed when
you cook up the morning catch.
Regards,
Matt
examples from $6 to $109
http://amplestuff.safeshopper.com/217/cat217.htm
http://sportsdirection.stores.yahoo.net/sportsseat.html
http://www.nextag.com/tripod-stool/search-html
Subject: Calling on all you creative minds,,,need a step stool
Now that we'uns in the North East are bracing for a So-Wester. And 10 to
12 inches of snow is expected,,,Been thinking about flying in the
spring.
Saw Mike Cuy on the EAA flick, and got to thinking.
Been getting harder and harder to do the high Kick to get into the Piet.
Is there a foldable step stool around that would help in getting in, and
could be brought in with a cord to fly with me in the back seat?
Thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| Subject: | step stool ? Dig a hole |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Walt,
I say dig a hole for your tailwheel to rest in while you start the
engine and then get inside. Your longerons will be that much closer
to mother earth.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
GREAT to see you back on the list Gary ! I'll catch-up with you
offline once the whips and chains here stop flailing about. Big
project, short leash.
Last I talked with Gary he had his fuselage and tailfeathers done and
his son was just learning how to drive so who knows where he's at these
days but I'm glad
you kept your project and are back on it. Never too late to continue
building. Glad your VHS tape still works. Your warranty expired
years ago on that thing:)
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu> |
Thanks for all the encouragement to rebuild! A rebuild will happen for sur
e. Andrew (my brother) has just joined the list, and he is the one who had
the run-in with terra-firma. He and the piet are near Tucson AZ. The pl
an right now is to see if we can get any remuneration from the driver who c
ontributed to the runway incursion. Andrew will then rebuilt two-niner-ro
meo. I'll probably visit during the rebuild. I've got other projects on
the burner right now, including a 1931 Model A Town Sedan, and the top wing
s to a Marquart Charger biplane. The biplane may fill my low and slow desi
res for a while... Day dreaming of a new, larger, pietnepol.... 150 hp L
OM perhaps?
Dunno,
Steve E.
PS Welcome back Gary!!
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:42 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rebuild SteveE
Good to have you back on the list, Gary. Haven't heard much from you in a
long time.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Meadows
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rebuild SteveE
Hey Steve,
It's been a long time and I've only been back on the list for a few weeks,
so I saw your heartbreaking post about your Piet. I'm not sure I'd have th
e gumption to rebuild after a serious crack-up, heck, I'm having trouble ge
tting through the initial build, but I agree with Mr. Cuy (hey Mike!) and e
veryone else - I sure hope you do. You have a ton of good reusable parts an
d I've heard that the second time through is much easier with all those bui
lding smarts you have now. So if it were up for vote, I'd cast my as an AYE
in favor of the rebuild!
Hey everyone else out there in Piet-list land - it's been awhile, but I'm
back and building again and it's fun again. I took a break from aviation fo
r a few years there, but I'm back now. I guess I'll go back out and make a
ton of obnoxious metal screaming noises and try to finish all those steel p
arts that seem so inconsequential when you look over the plans, but yet to
painful for me to actually finish!
Jack Phillips - I have the picture of your Piet in front of your hangar as
my wallpaper on my workstation at work. It's a beautiful plane and a non-s
top reminder to keep at it.
Mike Cuy - I STILL watch your video (VHS- and heck, you still look as youn
g there!!!) on my tv in the bedroom and it's STILL great and I'm STILL marr
ied!! What a gal!!
Take care everyone and good luck Steve in whatever you choose to do.
Gary Meadows
Spring, TX
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| From: | Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu> |
| Subject: | Guess what?! 80th Anniversary! |
That's right, in 1999 we celebrated the 70th anniversary of the Piet. Tha
t makes 2009 the 80th Anniversary of this great design!
Brodhead is bound to be the gathering place. It would be awesome to see 30
or more together. In 99' we had 22 or 23 if I remember right. The mass f
lyin to OSH was a sight to behold!
We are just a short 18 months away!
Steve E
Steve E
Low and Slow Since 1929
Pietenpol Aircamper
steve(at)byu.edu
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| Subject: | Re: Calling on all you creative minds,,,need a step stool |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)comcast.net> |
Stools are to modern. What you need is a stirrup hung off the top longeron.
Chris
--------
Chris Tracy
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158075#158075
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Guess what?! 80th Anniversary! |
I am planning to make 2009 at Brodhead-- to hell with OSH.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu>
>Sent: Jan 14, 2008 1:50 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Guess what?! 80th Anniversary!
>
>That's right, in 1999 we celebrated the 70th anniversary of the Piet. That makes
2009 the 80th Anniversary of this great design!
>
>Brodhead is bound to be the gathering place. It would be awesome to see 30 or
more together. In 99' we had 22 or 23 if I remember right. The mass flyin to
OSH was a sight to behold!
>
>We are just a short 18 months away!
>
>Steve E
>
>Steve E
>Low and Slow Since 1929
>Pietenpol Aircamper
>steve(at)byu.edu
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: step stool ? Dig a hole |
and you can take the dirt from the hole and mound it up next to the plane as a
step.
Good
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" wrote:
Walt,
I say dig a hole for your tailwheel to rest in while you start the engine and
then get inside. Your longerons will be that much closer
to mother earth.
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: step stool ? Dig a hole |
and you can take the dirt from the hole and mound it up next to the plane as a
step.
Goot
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" wrote:
Walt,
I say dig a hole for your tailwheel to rest in while you start the engine and
then get inside. Your longerons will be that much closer
to mother earth.
---------------------------------
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| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Guess what?! 80th Anniversary! |
I hear you on that one....Say Tim..... ever design a "Wide Body" Pietenpol logo
yet? I am working on one for the groups approval!
Ken H
Tim Willis wrote:
I am planning to make 2009 at Brodhead-- to hell with OSH.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Eldredge
>Sent: Jan 14, 2008 1:50 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Guess what?! 80th Anniversary!
>
>That's right, in 1999 we celebrated the 70th anniversary of the Piet. That makes
2009 the 80th Anniversary of this great design!
>
>Brodhead is bound to be the gathering place. It would be awesome to see 30 or
more together. In 99' we had 22 or 23 if I remember right. The mass flyin to OSH
was a sight to behold!
>
>We are just a short 18 months away!
>
>Steve E
>
>Steve E
>Low and Slow Since 1929
>Pietenpol Aircamper
>steve(at)byu.edu
>
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Guess what?! 80th Anniversary! |
Ken,
That's Great, I am building the wide body which makes me really interested
in seeing what you come up with.
John Recine
In a message dated 1/14/2008 4:16:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com writes:
I hear you on that one....Say Tim..... ever design a "Wide Body" Pietenpol
logo yet? I am working on one for the groups approval!
Ken H
Tim Willis wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis
I am planning to make 2009 at Brodhead-- to hell with OSH.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Eldredge
>Sent: Jan 14, 2008 1:50 PM
>To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com"
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Guess what?! 80th Anniversary!
>
>That's right, in 1999 we celebrated the 70th anniversary of the Piet. That
makes 2009 the 80th Anniversary of this great design!
>
>Brodhead is bound to be the gathering place. It
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| From: | Gary Gower <ggower_99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Guess what?! 80th Anniversary! |
Hello Steve,
I realy hope that 18 months will be enough time for you two, to rebuilt your
great airplane... With the international fame of your airplane, you deserve
to be there.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Steve Eldredge wrote:
Thats right, in 1999 we celebrated the 70th anniversary of the
Piet. That makes 2009 the 80th Anniversary of this great design!
Brodhead is bound to be the gathering place. It would be awesome to see 30 or
more together. In 99 we had 22 or 23 if I remember right. The mass flyin to
OSH was a sight to behold!
We are just a short 18 months away!
Steve E
Steve E
Low and Slow Since 1929
Pietenpol Aircamper
steve(at)byu.edu
---------------------------------
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| From: | Steve Eldredge <steve(at)byu.edu> |
| Subject: | Guess what?! 80th Anniversary! |
Gary,
You give me too much credit... Frank Pavlig's Sky Gypsy, Mike Cuy's Award
winning Pietenpol, Don Emch, G-BUCO, Bill Rewey... These are world famous
Pietenpols!
Best regards,
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gower
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Guess what?! 80th Anniversary!
Hello Steve,
I realy hope that 18 months will be enough time for you two, to rebuilt y
our great airplane... With the international fame of your airplane, you de
serve to be there.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
Steve Eldredge wrote:
That's right, in 1999 we celebrated the 70th anniversary of the Piet. Tha
t makes 2009 the 80th Anniversary of this great design!
Brodhead is bound to be the gathering place. It would be awesome to see 30
or more together. In 99' we had 22 or 23 if I remember right. The mass f
lyin to OSH was a sight to behold!
We are just a short 18 months away!
Steve E
Steve E
Low and Slow Since 1929
Pietenpol Aircamper
steve(at)byu.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: step stool ? Dig a hole |
Mike,
Good idea, but if I go to a strange airport, they won't have a hole.
Thought more about getting these.
Not sure if I can modify them for a rudder bar, tho.
At a fly-in, guess I'd have to pack more comfortable shoes
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: step stool ? Dig a hole
Walt,
I say dig a hole for your tailwheel to rest in while you start the
engine and then get inside. Your longerons will be that much closer
to mother earth.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Calling on all you creative minds,,,need a step stool |
Matt,
Thanks, The plastic one from China looks good at first glance.
I'll check them out
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Naiva
To: waltdak(at)verizon.net
Cc: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: Calling on all you creative minds,,,need a step stool
Walt,
You may want to experiment with the stability of some of the shorter
tripod campstools. The stool would also come in handy when Aircamping
on a riverbed when you cook up the morning catch.
Regards,
Matt
examples from $6 to $109
http://amplestuff.safeshopper.com/217/cat217.htm
http://sportsdirection.stores.yahoo.net/sportsseat.html
http://www.nextag.com/tripod-stool/search-html
Subject: Calling on all you creative minds,,,need a step stool
Now that we'uns in the North East are bracing for a So-Wester.
And 10 to
12 inches of snow is expected,,,Been thinking about flying in
the
spring.
Saw Mike Cuy on the EAA flick, and got to thinking.
Been getting harder and harder to do the high Kick to get into
the Piet.
Is there a foldable step stool around that would help in getting
in, and
could be brought in with a cord to fly with me in the back seat?
Thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | bits, bolts nusts,screws hardware stuff |
I am getting ready to begin my quest for fasteners, rather than buy too many
or too few of the wrong sizes , is there anyone out there that can give me
starting point to begin collecting those hardware elements basic to the
construction of the long fuse/wide body Piet? Not that wide body has much to do
with it, Any suggestions regarding sizes lengths types of nuts bolts washers nut
plates screw, all out fasteners and hinges in basic quantity would really be
of great help.
bill of materials for hardware best sources etc right now down to the nut
and bolt count accuracy is not as important as sizing
Thanks for your help
John Recine
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| From: | "jbveazey.7ok(at)netzero.net" <jbveazey.7ok(at)netzero.net> |
Steve,
Was that your GN-1 at Thompson airport about 2 months ago? I'm not build
ing anything right now. I hope to one of there
days. Did you build your GN-1? As best I remember it was a nice looking
plane. I just sold
my Cessna 152 in October. I got a private license in it. I'm retired and
planeless. I'm a member
of chapters 98 and 1098 in Tuttle and Shawnee. Maybe I'll see you there
.
Jim Veazey
Harrah, OK
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| Subject: | step stool ? Dig a hole |
| From: | <harvey.rule(at)bell.ca> |
Man,would you look sweet in those!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
evans
Sent: January 14, 2008 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: step stool ? Dig a hole
Mike,
Good idea, but if I go to a strange airport, they won't have a hole.
Thought more about getting these.
Not sure if I can modify them for a rudder bar, tho.
At a fly-in, guess I'd have to pack more comfortable shoes
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: step stool ? Dig a hole
Walt,
I say dig a hole for your tailwheel to rest in while you start
the engine and then get inside. Your longerons will be that much
closer
to mother earth.
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| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
| From: | "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com> |
Gene,
I checked out Ron W's website with the Fly Baby windshield info a while back. Not
sure if that was what you were referring to, as a search on "fly baby windshield"
doesn't return any hits and with no quotes, it returns about 30 thousand.
Anyway he suggest a faceted Lexan windshield. I have .040 aluminum, and Plexiglas
in large quantities.. thats pretty heavy to try to form into a frame by
bending, so I would be in to making inside/outside pieces, bonding/riveting..
etc, pretty complex compared to getting a single piece of Plexiglas cut and shaped
and mounting it with simple aluminum fittings.
The Pietenpol Aerial at the St. Louis air museum has exactly the type of faceted
windshield suggested, and my second choice way of doing the windshield would
be to go study it and get measurements/construction details and do it that way.
What I would love to do, but think is too complex/heavy/time consuming, would be
to make up a PT-26 style sliding canopy, then add cabin heat and gain a few
more months of flying time a year. Thought about it till I looked at where the
supports and cables for the center section of the wing run. It would be really
tricky to make slides and canopy sections that could work around all the stuff
in the way. So, I want to keep it simple.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
I made my faceted windshields per the Fly Baby plans, using 1/8"
Plexiglas and .025" 3003 Aluminum. Fairly lightweight, but probably the
most difficult part of the whole project.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
Gene,
I checked out Ron W's website with the Fly Baby windshield info a while
back. Not sure if that was what you were referring to, as a search on
"fly baby windshield" doesn't return any hits and with no quotes, it
returns about 30 thousand. Anyway he suggest a faceted Lexan windshield.
I have .040 aluminum, and Plexiglas in large quantities.. thats pretty
heavy to try to form into a frame by bending, so I would be in to making
inside/outside pieces, bonding/riveting.. etc, pretty complex compared
to getting a single piece of Plexiglas cut and shaped and mounting it
with simple aluminum fittings.
The Pietenpol Aerial at the St. Louis air museum has exactly the type of
faceted windshield suggested, and my second choice way of doing the
windshield would be to go study it and get measurements/construction
details and do it that way.
What I would love to do, but think is too complex/heavy/time consuming,
would be to make up a PT-26 style sliding canopy, then add cabin heat
and gain a few more months of flying time a year. Thought about it till
I looked at where the supports and cables for the center section of the
wing run. It would be really tricky to make slides and canopy sections
that could work around all the stuff in the way. So, I want to keep it
simple.
Jim
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| From: | BScott116(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue/Don Emch |
I would contribute to your issue. What's really interesting to me and others
maybe, is the radial Lambert engine I am assembbling for my Piet project. 90
HP , 5cyld antique. Have all parts plus spares. Expect to run this summer .
Just the engine variations alone should fill your issue. brent Scott in
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | stepping into a hole/valve covers |
Walt wrote-
>Good idea, but if I go to a strange airport, they won't have a hole.
No problem. Before you leave your home field, just roll up the hole and ta
ke it with you in the airplane ;o)
And I see Gary Gower posted to the list... I thought you had fallen off the
face of the earth, Gary! How about those cast "Air Camper" valve covers f
or the Corvair? Any luck making some new molds?Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue/Don Emch |
| From: | "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com> |
Brent scott in Missouri.. where in Missouri? I am in independence?
Jim (GN1 Biplane project)
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| Subject: | stepping into a hole/valve covers |
| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
I ran across a set of Corvair heads with the Air Camper logo when I did
my Technical Counselor thing and inspected a Zenith 601 project last
week. They are planning to use different heads on their Corvair and
just had these Air Camper heads sitting around. If anyone is
interested, I can put them in contact with the owners and see if they
are available for sale or for free.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: stepping into a hole/valve covers
Walt wrote-
>Good idea, but if I go to a strange airport, they won't have a hole.
No problem. Before you leave your home field, just roll up the hole and
take it with you in the airplane ;o)
And I see Gary Gower posted to the list... I thought you had fallen off
the face of the earth, Gary! How about those cast "Air Camper" valve
covers for the Corvair? Any luck making some new molds?
Oscar Zuniga
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| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
| From: | "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack,
I don't doubt it was hard. Took aircraft sheet metal classes 28 yrs ago and learned to rivet and work with aluminum.. but haven't' done it since, and don't want to make things harder. I feel like a simple couple of windshields will suffice. Even thought about buying speed boat ones and using them, but they looked to modern. (www.greatlakesskipper.com) has a bunch, mounting hardware too.
Have enough to do, need to learn how to do fabric work, then cover upper and lower
wings (biplane) and 4 ailerons. Need to get a 1950's Spanish engine running
(found a 130meg electronic copy of its manuals) of course they are in Spanish,
and I don't know it.
Have to figure out how to make a graceful hood bump to cover the magneto's poking
up through my cowling. Finish plumbing the engine, fabricate two more exhaust
stacks. Cut and reroute some 4130 tubing so my legs will fit more comfortably.
Make and install windshields. Assemble everything, figure out how to rig it
and if I have all the stuff. (No notes, just bucket full of fittings and cables..
)
Starting to understand that 90% done/90% to go thing.
Jim
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| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | stepping into a hole/valve covers |
Jack,
I would certainly be interested in the valve covers.....
Ken H
"Phillips, Jack" wrote:
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I ran across a set of
Corvair heads with the Air Camper logo when I did my Technical Counselor thing
and inspected a Zenith 601 project last week. They are planning to use different
heads on their Corvair and just had these Air Camper heads sitting around.
If anyone is interested, I can put them in contact with the owners and see
if they are available for sale or for free.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: stepping into a hole/valve covers
Walt wrote-
>Good idea, but if I go to a strange airport, they won't have a hole.
No problem. Before you leave your home field, just roll up the hole and take it
with you in the airplane ;o)
And I see Gary Gower posted to the list... I thought you had fallen off the face
of the earth, Gary! How about those cast "Air Camper" valve covers for the
Corvair? Any luck making some new molds?
Oscar Zuniga
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| Subject: | stepping into a hole/valve covers |
| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
I have contacted the builders of the Zenith 601 and told them that Air
Camper valve covers are a hot item on the Pietenpol list. They are
going to let me know if they are interested in selling them, and I will
post their interest to the group.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide,
BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: stepping into a hole/valve covers
Jack,
I would certainly be interested in the valve covers.....
Ken H
"Phillips, Jack" wrote:
I ran across a set of Corvair heads with the Air Camper logo
when I did my Technical Counselor thing and inspected a Zenith 601
project last week. They are planning to use different heads on their
Corvair and just had these Air Camper heads sitting around. If anyone
is interested, I can put them in contact with the owners and see if they
are available for sale or for free.
Jack Phillips
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:06 AM
To: Pietenpol List
Subject: Pietenpol-List: stepping into a hole/valve covers
Walt wrote-
>Good idea, but if I go to a strange airport, they won't have a
hole.
No problem. Before you leave your home field, just roll up the
hole and take it with you in the
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| Subject: | BHP site up and nice now |
| From: | "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com> |
http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/
Looks sharp.
Jim
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| From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | airworthiness certificate and first flight |
hello every one,
NX294RB now has an airworthiness certificate and a first flight.every
thing went great just a little heavy on the right wing .came back in adjusted
the struts a couple of turns and its gone,the corvair really does
great.ground run on grass of about 400 feet and it is up and climbing.to all you
guys
out there building keep after it ,it took me seven years and four months ,but
was all worth it!
Robert (Randy) Bush
NX294RB
Lexington TN
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| Subject: | Re: airworthiness certificate and first flight |
Congratulations! Well done!
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| Subject: | airworthiness certificate and first flight |
| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
Way to go Randy! Great feeling, isn't it? Are you still grinning? Now
fly off the hours so we can meet in Jackson and fly to Brodhead together
this summer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: airworthiness certificate and first flight
hello every one,
NX294RB now has an airworthiness certificate and a first
flight.every thing went great just a little heavy on the right wing
.came back in adjusted the struts a couple of turns and its gone,the
corvair really does great.ground run on grass of about 400 feet and it
is up and climbing.to all you guys out there building keep after it ,it
took me seven years and four months ,but was all worth it!
Robert (Randy) Bush
NX294RB
Lexington TN
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan |
Just a thot. Perhaps a Motorcycle windshield like those used on Harleys?
Steve Dortch
----- Original Message -----
From: jimd <jlducey(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:02
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Forming Plexiglass and Lexan
>
> Jack,
>
> I don't doubt it was hard. Took aircraft sheet metal classes 28
> yrs ago and learned to rivet and work with aluminum.. but haven't'
> done it since, and don't want to make things harder. I feel like a
> simple couple of windshields will suffice. Even thought about
> buying speed boat ones and using them, but they looked to modern.
> (www.greatlakesskipper.com) has a bunch, mounting hardware too.
>
> Have enough to do, need to learn how to do fabric work, then cover
> upper and lower wings (biplane) and 4 ailerons. Need to get a
> 1950's Spanish engine running (found a 130meg electronic copy of
> its manuals) of course they are in Spanish, and I don't know it.
>
> Have to figure out how to make a graceful hood bump to cover the
> magneto's poking up through my cowling. Finish plumbing the
> engine, fabricate two more exhaust stacks. Cut and reroute some
> 4130 tubing so my legs will fit more comfortably. Make and install
> windshields. Assemble everything, figure out how to rig it and if
> I have all the stuff. (No notes, just bucket full of fittings and
> cables.. )
>
> Starting to understand that 90% done/90% to go thing.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158306#158306
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: airworthiness certificate and first flight |
Robert,
Congratulations on getting it done an inspiration to all us us that are
still building. I am looking forward to seeing it at Broadhead this year
Great job!
John Recine
In a message dated 1/15/2008 4:19:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
RBush96589(at)aol.com writes:
hello every one,
NX294RB now has an airworthiness certificate and a first flight.every
thing went great just a little heavy on the right wing .came back in adjusted
the struts a couple of turns and its gone,the corvair really does
great.ground run on grass of about 400 feet and it is up and climbing.to all you
guys
out there building keep after it ,it took me seven years and four months ,but
was all worth it!
Robert (Randy) Bush
NX294RB
Lexington TN
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| From: | HelsperSew(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: airworthiness certificate and first flight |
Randy,
Good for you!!! The end of a loooooooong road. Congratulations!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: airworthiness certificate and first flight |
Congratulations Randy!! As soon as the weather improves and we both
have the time off I'll fly down. Today would have been a great flying
day but I spent it at work.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: RBush96589(at)aol.com
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: airworthiness certificate and first flight
hello every one,
NX294RB now has an airworthiness certificate and a first
flight.every thing went great just a little heavy on the right wing
.came back in adjusted the struts a couple of turns and its gone,the
corvair really does great.ground run on grass of about 400 feet and it
is up and climbing.to all you guys out there building keep after it ,it
took me seven years and four months ,but was all worth it!
Robert (Randy) Bush
NX294RB
Lexington TN
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| Subject: | airworthiness certificate and first flight |
| From: | "Arden Adamson" <aadamson(at)wnmdag.org> |
Congratulations Randy,
That's great!! Enjoy!! It is motivating to hear your enthusiasm. The
rest of us will keep building.
Arden Adamson
Waupaca, WI
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of
RBush96589(at)aol.com
Sent: Tue 1/15/2008 3:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: airworthiness certificate and first flight
hello every one,
NX294RB now has an airworthiness certificate and a first
flight.every thing went great just a little heavy on the right wing
.came back in adjusted the struts a couple of turns and its gone,the
corvair really does great.ground run on grass of about 400 feet and it
is up and climbing.to all you guys out there building keep after it ,it
took me seven years and four months ,but was all worth it!
Robert (Randy) Bush
NX294RB
Lexington TN
________________________________
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| From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
Hi Dan,
The prop was made by TN propellers and is a 64-34 pitch.carb is a marvel
schebler ma3spa.static 2700 rpm,about the same on take off,2300 rpm cruise
shows close to 80 mph. I will have to check the air speed indicator by GPS to
see how
accurate this is ,but I think it is pretty close.
Randy Bush
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| From: | "Marc Dumay" <captmarcus(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | chiselling floor brace |
Fellow Piet Builders and mentors
We are starting to glue in the braces between our fuselage sides and have
noticed, in many build photos, that other builders have chiselled away the
first front brace.
Both ends, where they meet the longeron. What is the purpose of doing this?
captmarcus(at)sympatico.ca
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| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | airworthiness certificate and first flight |
Congratulations, Randy, so this year maybe it will be a 3 wheeler instead of an
18 wheeler!
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 1/15/2008 4:23:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: airworthiness certificate and first flight
hello every one,
NX294RB now has an airworthiness certificate and a first flight.every thing
went great just a little heavy on the right wing .came back in adjusted the
struts a couple of turns and its gone,the corvair really does great.ground run
on grass of about 400 feet and it is up and climbing.to all you guys out there
building keep after it ,it took me seven years and four months ,but was all
worth it!
Robert (Randy) Bush
NX294RB
Lexington TN
Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.
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| From: | "Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
Jim,
That was me in the yellow GN-1 at Thompson. I didn't build my
GN-1...just bought it. I would love to build one eventually though.
We'll see you around.
Steve Ruse
----- Original Message -----
From: jbveazey.7ok(at)netzero.net
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: wood struts
Steve,
Was that your GN-1 at Thompson airport about 2 months ago? I'm not
building anything right now. I hope to one of there
days. Did you build your GN-1? As best I remember it was a nice
looking plane. I just sold
my Cessna 152 in October. I got a private license in it. I'm retired
and planeless. I'm a member
of chapters 98 and 1098 in Tuttle and Shawnee. Maybe I'll see you
there.
Jim Veazey
Harrah, OK
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | BHP site up and nice now |
Welllll... it's nicer, perhaps, but still pretty much as it was a few years
ago when I bought my plans and manual from Pietenpol. Still shows "Buckey
e Pietenpol Association" links in the "What's New" page, Charlie Rubeck rib
s, things like that.
But still the ONLY place to get authentic Pietenpol family plans and manual
s!Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http:/
/www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: chiselling floor brace |
Fellow Piet Builders and mentorsMarc,
I know it's in the original plans. I'd have to go back and see exactly
why.
Think it's got something to do with the inside brackets lining up with
the landing gear brackets on the outside.
Where the ash beams go across, is where the landing gear loads are taken
in the side of the fuse.
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Dumay
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 8:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: chiselling floor brace
Fellow Piet Builders and mentors
We are starting to glue in the braces between our fuselage sides and
have noticed, in many build photos, that other builders have chiselled
away the first front brace.
Both ends, where they meet the longeron. What is the purpose of doing
this?
captmarcus(at)sympatico.ca
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| From: | <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: chiselling floor brace |
Fellow Piet Builders and mentorsWell, seeing as that is my picture you
have attached I guess I should explain why I tapered the ends. Drawing
No 1 drawing entitled "Bottom Plan View of Fuselage", shows the two ash
cross braceses as 3/4-inch by 2-inch white ash. However, Drawing No 3
"Bottom of Fuselage" shows the front to be 2-inch by 1-inch white ash
inside cross strut taper to 2-inch by 3/4-inch at end. This is also
shown on the "Sectional View of Left Front Fitting"".
At first I installed the ash cross brace as a 1-inch thick piece and
later discovered it was supposed to taper on the ends. I had to do it
after I glued it in but it wasn't to hard. It helps to have the ends
taper so the inner fitting will line up with the outer gear fitting.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.WestCoastPiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Dumay
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: chiselling floor brace
Fellow Piet Builders and mentors
We are starting to glue in the braces between our fuselage sides and
have noticed, in many build photos, that other builders have chiselled
away the first front brace.
Both ends, where they meet the longeron. What is the purpose of doing
this?
captmarcus(at)sympatico.ca
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Marc Dumay" <captmarcus(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | chiselling floor brace |
Fellow Piet Builders and mentors
We are starting to glue in the braces between our fuselage sides and have
noticed, in many build photos, that other builders have chiselled away the
first front brace.
Both ends, where they meet the longeron. What is the purpose of doing this?
captmarcus(at)sympatico.ca
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| From: | Ryan Michals <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: chiselling floor brace |
Marc,
Chris had to point this out for me too. I did mine a little different
though. I couldn't find 1" ash (or successfully cut down a baseball bat blank)
and used a 3/4" plank with a 1/4" layer tapered and laminated onto the top
with t-88. I was trying to achieve a true taper to avoid a stress riser, at
the abrupt change in thickness. It has not flown yet, we will have to wait to
see how it holds up.
Ryan Michaels
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| Subject: | chiselling floor brace |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Hello Marc Dumay,
Although many Piets have flown for many hours chiseling in or tapering
those ash cross struts that go across our floorboards I chose to follow
some modified fittings that don't require that ala what Frank Sr. and
Frank Jr. Pavliga did on Sky Gypsy. Although this sketch isn't the
best it shows how I made my fittings to line up for the horizontal drill
holes that go thru the blocks in the fuselage sides. Hope this helps.
(I'll e-mail you the image directly offline since you are on the digest
which doesn't get the attachments)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | modified gear fittings--- additional notes |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
PS-- ignore the part where I show the ash block tapered on the
ends-----I didn't do that but lined up my parts atop the white ash
block level with my fittings so that I drilled them in place to match
each other on the same level. I used poster board/ white poster board
from Wal Mart or the local drug store to mock up these pieces before
making them of metal.
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| Subject: | chiselling floor brace |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
As I remember, there was a Piet that had a hard landing recently, and
had this tapered piece crack as a result.
Okay, I did a search, and it was Jeff Boatright's plane. Here's a link:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=32502
I think, if the wood doesn't NEED to be tapered, why do it?
Bill C.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Spanish engine docs |
Jim wrote-
>Need to get a 1950's Spanish engine running
>(found a 130meg electronic copy of its manuals) of course
>they are in Spanish, and I don't know it.
Send 'em to me and I'll try to translate them for you. I think we can get it to
an understandable state. I know enough spanish to get by, but if I get in a
tough spot I'll enlist my cousin's help. He lives in Zaragoza, Spain and is
a professional translator both from spanish to english and vice-versa.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I can't imagine windscreens that are any simpler than the ones on 41CC. Curved
plexiglas, no frame, and 5 plain mounting tabs on each. I assume that they
were made by starting out with poster-board templates trimmed till they fit and
looked right, then the outline marked on the plexi and cut out and smoothed.
The ones on Steve Eldredge's and Ernie Moreno's airplanes are a bit lower profile
than mine but I find mine to be about as low as I would like and I hunker
down behind it when it's cold.
The flat-panel ones look more antique-y but the simple curved ones are about as
simple as you're going to find.
I have cut thin acrylic and Lexan using the cutoff wheel (abrasive wheel) in my
Dremel tool. It seems to cut as much by "melting" its way through the material
as it does by mechanical cutting, and next time I try it I'll be outdoors because
it creates quite a mess of little particles everywhere.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Ryan Michals <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
I ran into a GN1 with some nice, simple and light weight Lexan 3 panel windshields.
He said he bent them cold in a metal bend. He temporarily used electrical
tape for the edges but aluminum or even paint could be used too. I don't know
how thin they were, but you can get an idea from the pics.
Ryan M
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
I can't imagine windscreens that are any simpler than the ones on 41CC. Curved
plexiglas, no frame, and 5 plain mounting tabs on each. I assume that they were
made by starting out with poster-board templates trimmed till they fit and looked
right, then the outline marked on the plexi and cut out and smoothed. The
ones on Steve Eldredge's and Ernie Moreno's airplanes are a bit lower profile
than mine but I find mine to be about as low as I would like and I hunker down
behind it when it's cold.
The flat-panel ones look more antique-y but the simple curved ones are about as
simple as you're going to find.
I have cut thin acrylic and Lexan using the cutoff wheel (abrasive wheel) in my
Dremel tool. It seems to cut as much by "melting" its way through the material
as it does by mechanical cutting, and next time I try it I'll be outdoors because
it creates quite a mess of little particles everywhere.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: airworthiness certificate and first flight |
| From: | horzpool(at)goldengate.net |
Great going Robert
Hope to see you at Brodhead with it this summer
Dick N.
> hello every one,
> NX294RB now has an airworthiness certificate and a first
> flight.every
> thing went great just a little heavy on the right wing .came back in
> adjusted
> the struts a couple of turns and its gone,the corvair really does
> great.ground run on grass of about 400 feet and it is up and climbing.to
> all you guys
> out there building keep after it ,it took me seven years and four months
> ,but
> was all worth it!
>
> Robert (Randy) Bush
>
> NX294RB
>
> Lexington TN
>
>
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Yes, I've heard that Lexan (polycarbonate sheet) can be bent cold. Aircraft Spruce
carries four thicknesses of it and I believe it would require a 2x4 sheet
to make two windscreens from. The 1/16" stock is way too thin, in my opinion.
That leaves 5/64", 3/32", and 1/8". My windscreens are 1/8" thick plexiglas
and it's fairly stout to bend into shape so one of the lighter thicknesses would
probably work OK. All three of those sheets are about the same price (less
than $30), so it won't kill you financially to experiment and ruin a sheet
if it doesn't work.
I would be a bit wary of using Lexan up front on my airplane because my fuel filler
is just forward of the passenger's windscreen and from what I understand,
Lexan and gas don't play well together.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | chiselling floor brace |
Bill,
The only reason we have been able to come up with for the tape is
that it allows the horizontal bolts to pass through the fuselage
right at the join of the longeron, the veritical intercostal, and the
diagonal intercostal. I have no idea why THAT is a particularly good
idea, but I think that the plans show it that way.
I hope to right more on this, but our solution to all this is to weld
the landing gear/wing strut fittings to a channel piece that will run
across the fuselage on the outside and directly below the ash
crossmember. This is similar to gears designed by Grega or those
(apparently) approved by the British PFA (see the post that Bill
cites below).
Jeff
>As I remember, there was a Piet that had a hard landing recently,
>and had this tapered piece crack as a result.
>
>Okay, I did a search, and it was Jeff Boatright's plane. Here's a link:
>
><http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=32502>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=32502
>
>I think, if the wood doesn't NEED to be tapered, why do it?
>
>Bill C.
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Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
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| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
Lexan can be bent cold, but it will leave a white line where the
material yields at the bend. Painting a fake framework on would be a
good solution - it gives the antique look and covers the white bend are.
As I stated before, making an aluminum frame for the windscreens was the
single most difficult part of the entire project, surpassing making the
straight axle landing gear for aggravation. The end result looks nice,
but you would have to look pretty close at a painted bent Polycarbonate
windscreen to see that it didn't have a frame made of formed aluminum.
If you do the bent faceted windscreen, you will have to use
Polycarbonate which, as Oscar says, is prone to crazing if it comes in
contact with gasoline. You might be able to form plexiglas if you heat
it sufficently but it will be hard to keep the flat portions flat.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: windscreens
Yes, I've heard that Lexan (polycarbonate sheet) can be bent cold.
Aircraft Spruce carries four thicknesses of it and I believe it would
require a 2x4 sheet to make two windscreens from. The 1/16" stock is
way too thin, in my opinion. That leaves 5/64", 3/32", and 1/8". My
windscreens are 1/8" thick plexiglas and it's fairly stout to bend into
shape so one of the lighter thicknesses would probably work OK. All
three of those sheets are about the same price (less than $30), so it
won't kill you financially to experiment and ruin a sheet if it doesn't
work.
I would be a bit wary of using Lexan up front on my airplane because my
fuel filler is just forward of the passenger's windscreen and from what
I understand, Lexan and gas don't play well together.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: chiselling floor brace |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)comcast.net> |
I came to the same conclusion after I had tapered the ends (which I think is confirmed
by Jeff's pictures). The only problem I see with not tapering the ends
would be the bolt holes have to be rather high up the fuselage side to make
sufficient clearance for the bend radius and bolt heads. I ended up not running
the bolts through the longeron, as seen in the drawing posted by Mike, but
rather ran them just above it. I added some filler blocks for them to go through.
(Which reminds me, I better check to see if I remembered to add the blocks).
Because of this, my outer fittings needed to be taller then shown on the
plans making the bolts farther away from the strap for the wing strut. I was
concerned that having the bolts spread out farther the fitting might be more
likely to pull out away from the fuselage. However, with the additional bolts
on the lower strap for the cross brace wire (wood gear) I think this extra length
has been taken care of. One other thing, the clearance between the bolt
heads going through the sides and the ones going through the floor is really close.
I should have given then a little more room.
Chris
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WestCoastPiet.com
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| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | finger pull latches mike cuy |
Mike where did you get those finger pull latches you used on the compartment doors
in your Piet (ie. storage area behind pilot)? They are latches right? Or
are you using just a finger pull with a magnetic catch?
I really like the look of those little guys and would like to find some for my
Piet project.
Thanks..
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| Subject: | Lexan and simple windshields |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
I built my windshields from 1/8" Lexan, no Plexiglass. I made up
poster board templates, cut fit, cut, fit, trim, fit, and then laid that
out over the plastic-covered Lexan that I picked up a local window and
glass shop. Plexiglass is cheaper but you'll save in the long run
using Lexan since you won't have to buy so much aspirin or Preparation-H
in the process. I cut mine using a sabre saw and drilled using a
normal drill bit. Only take the plastic protection off when you are
about to do the final install as Lexan scratches easier than Plexiglass.
Tony Bingelis explains all of this wonderfully in his books.
Mike C.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Michals
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:49 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: windscreens
I ran into a GN1 with some nice, simple and light weight Lexan 3
panel windshields. He said he bent them cold in a metal bend. He
temporarily used electrical tape for the edges but aluminum or even
paint could be used too. I don't know how thin they were, but you can
get an idea from the pics.
Ryan M
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
I can't imagine windscreens that are any simpler than
the ones on 41CC. Curved plexiglas, no frame, and 5 plain mounting tabs
on each. I assume that they were made by starting out with poster-board
templates trimmed till they fit and looked right, then the outline
marked on the plexi and cut out and smoothed. The ones on Steve
Eldredge's and Ernie Moreno's
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| Subject: | finger pull latches mike cuy |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Michael,
I found some round brass finger pulls locally but they closed up shop so
this was the closest I could find in a Google images/web search. I
recall having to buy a special (well I didn't have to buy it) diameter
Forestner (sp) bit to cut the shallow disc into my 1/8" mahogany plywood
doors to recess the latch flush with the wood then bought some simple
magnetic latches to keep the doors closed. Velcro would work too I
suppose.
http://www.thehardwarehut.com/collections/deltana-pulls.php
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| From: | "Michael Silvius" <silvius(at)gwi.net> |
Lets see if this works:
Here is how the do the sectioned one in the Fly-Baby
Michael in cold cold Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Spanish engine docs |
| From: | "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com> |
Oscar,
That is a very generous offer. I have sent you all but the 130 meg one, as its
too big for hotmail.
Let me know what you think.
Jim
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| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
That's exactly how I did mine - following the Fly Baby plans. I'll try
to attach some pictures to see if you can tell what I did. Pain in the
butt!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Silvius
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: windscreens
Lets see if this works:
Here is how the do the sectioned one in the Fly-Baby
Michael in cold cold Maine
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| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: chiselling floor brace |
Chris,
I was planning on leaving it the same thickness all away across and making my
mounts a bit bigger to line up properly! I have a wide body Pietenpol and wanted
the strength!
Ryan Michals wrote:
Marc,
Chris had to point this out for me too. I did mine a little different
though. I couldn't find 1" ash (or successfully cut down a baseball bat blank)
and used a 3/4" plank with a 1/4" layer tapered and laminated onto the top
with t-88. I was trying to achieve a true taper to avoid a stress riser, at
the abrupt change in thickness. It has not flown yet, we will have to wait to
see how it holds up.
Ryan Michaels
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| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Members of the group:
Here is my offer for those that want a windshield. I have many years working
with plastics along with a friend who makes a variety of plastic displays for
businesses(Magazine holders etc...). Send me a drawing and necessary information
as to what design, bends, radius, length, etc.... and I will produce your windshield
for you at cost of materials. I will create three (3) sample windshields
for anyone to choose from... lets keep it to only a (three) samples of windshields.....
and I'll take care of the rest!
Thoughts?
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
Yes, I've heard that Lexan (polycarbonate sheet) can be bent cold. Aircraft Spruce
carries four thicknesses of it and I believe it would require a 2x4 sheet
to make two windscreens from. The 1/16" stock is way too thin, in my opinion.
That leaves 5/64", 3/32", and 1/8". My windscreens are 1/8" thick plexiglas and
it's fairly stout to bend into shape so one of the lighter thicknesses would
probably work OK. All three of those sheets are about the same price (less than
$30), so it won't kill you financially to experiment and ruin a sheet if it
doesn't work.
I would be a bit wary of using Lexan up front on my airplane because my fuel filler
is just forward of the passenger's windscreen and from what I understand,
Lexan and gas don't play well together.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Jack's windshields |
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Gosh those are beautiful frames you built up Jack and I've seen them in
person---very nice job BUT......you guys sure put some labor
into those compound curves. After building the landing gear leg
geometry I was plumb worn out dealing with compound angles. Had
and easier time reasoning with my first wife.
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| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lexan and simple windshields |
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| From: | "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack,
Those look great, now I am starting to consider going with faceted windshields..
looks like a lot of work. Still might try the simple one first..
How much time you think you will end up having spent building those?
Jim
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| From: | HelsperSew(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: re: windscreens |
Jack,
This is very timely. Exactly the info and pictures I need at precisely the
right time. Beautiful work. Do you have any more pictures of your cockpit
combing that you can share?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| From: | "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Taylorcraft strut for sale |
If anyone needs a front Taylorcraft strut I have one. It failed the Tcraft
AD. The lower 12" of the strut didn't meet the wall thickness spec. Would
be great for a Piet strut since you cut them shorter anyway.
make me an offer if interested.
DJ Vegh
AZ ChopperCam
www.azchoppercam.com
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| Subject: | Re: airworthiness certificate and first flight |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Great job Randy! Congratulations! A feeling unlike any other! Do you have any
pictures of the flight?
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com> |
| Subject: | 12 gallon Taylocraft nose tank for sale |
Needs a new bung welded into the bottom. The one in there now has a crack.
May be a good tank for a GN-1?
$95
DJ
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Ken< I for one am nowhere near ready for that but when I get close I am
definitely interested. Please keep me on the list of willing contacts
John
In a message dated 1/16/2008 3:07:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com writes:
Members of the group:
Here is my offer for those that want a windshield. I have many years working
with plastics along with a friend who makes a variety of plastic displays
for businesses(Magazine holders etc...). Send me a drawing and necessary
information as to what design, bends, radius, length, etc.... and I will produce
your windshield for you at cost of materials. I will create three (3) sample
windshields for anyone to choose from... lets keep it to only a (three) samples
of windshields..... and I'll take care of the rest!
Thoughts?
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga
Yes, I've heard that Lexan
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| From: | "Max Hegler" <MaxHegler(at)msn.com> |
Ken,
I would be interested in seeing your three samples...could save me
building time...I'm ready to fly...
Max
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: windscreens
Members of the group:
Here is my offer for those that want a windshield. I have many years
working with plastics along with a friend who makes a variety of plastic
displays for businesses(Magazine holders etc...). Send me a drawing and
necessary information as to what design, bends, radius, length, etc....
and I will produce your windshield for you at cost of materials. I will
create three (3) sample windshields for anyone to choose from... lets
keep it to only a (three) samples of windshields..... and I'll take care
of the rest!
Thoughts?
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Oscar Zuniga wrote:
Yes, I've heard that Lexan
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I notice that the Grega website, http://www.gregagn-1.com/ , has 'copyright 2008' down at the bottom of the page but none of the links except the photo gallery works. So somebody has updated the page, anyway.
I hope they work out the problem, whatever it is, and get the Grega plans back
into availability. Not that I don't support the Pietenpol family, but the GN-1
plans are pretty darn good.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "DJ Vegh" <dj(at)veghdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Grega website |
at first I suspected there was a snippet of javascript on the page that
automatically changed the year, but after viewing the source code of the
pages it looks as though it is manually coded which means someone has to
have changed it.
I think Bob stopped sales due to fears of liablity issues. If that's true I
think it's ridiculous. I offered to buy the rights to his plans but he
refused.
Oh well... if he doesn't want a legacy for his father that's his own fault.
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Grega website
>
>
> I notice that the Grega website, http://www.gregagn-1.com/ , has
> 'copyright 2008' down at the bottom of the page but none of the links
> except the photo gallery works. So somebody has updated the page, anyway.
>
> I hope they work out the problem, whatever it is, and get the Grega plans
> back into availability. Not that I don't support the Pietenpol family,
> but the GN-1 plans are pretty darn good.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
As I recall (this was about 5 years ago) it took me a couple of weeks of
work so maybe a total of 20-25 hours?
I've attached another couple of photos of the plane so you can see the
finished product, as well as a couple of pictures of a Stearman's
windshield. You can tell I was copying it wherever I could.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: windscreens
Jack,
Those look great, now I am starting to consider going with faceted
windshields.. looks like a lot of work. Still might try the simple one
first..
How much time you think you will end up having spent building those?
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue/Don Emch |
Jefferson City area. 12 miles north Brent Scott-573 999 4120
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| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
Just got this message on the KR list.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: krnet-bounces(at)mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces(at)mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Pramod Kotwal
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:41 AM
Subject: KR> New company Aerovair for Corvair parts for experimental
aircraft
I have started a new company Aerovair to manufacture and sell innovative new
products and kits for Corvair engines.
Details are on my web site www.aerovair.com.
This business is separate from Nitron, Inc. specializing in ion nitriding.
For more info etc. contact me off list at info(at)aerovair.com
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | new source for Corvair parts? |
Pramod posted-
>New company Aerovair for Corvair parts for experimental aircraft
>I have started a new company Aerovair to manufacture and sell innovative new
>products and kits for Corvair engines.
>Details are on my web site www.aerovair.com.
>This business is separate from Nitron, Inc. specializing in ion nitriding.
A visit to the website shows that he will be flight testing the products on his
Zenith, tail number N1777W. If memory serves me correctly, William Wynne's Pietenpol
was tail number N1777W... I guess since the Piet was destroyed the airplane
went off the registry and that number was available, but to me using that
tail number is almost like marrying your sister-in-law after your brother dies
;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: new source for Corvair parts? |
At first I thought that this biz was going to compete with WW. Now it seems to
me that his product line is doing things that WW is not doing. I see that he
was nitriding Corvair cranks before. I wonder if he has been the fellow nitriding
for WW.
I guess we will find out more. Oscar, you are right about the tail number seeming
strange. Maybe they are great pals.
His product line is neither mainstream nor cheap. The cast iron liner/Al. cylinder
is an interesting combo. I know that has workded quite well in some water-cooled
autos, lessening weight and still giving iron cylinders. Iron cylinder
walls are superior in lubricocity to steel walls, and are softer, wearing out
rings more slowly. Is this iron/Al. combo common in aircraft? I did not think
so.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 17, 2008 2:51 PM
>To: corvaircraft(at)mylist.net, krnet(at)mylist.net, Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: new source for Corvair parts?
>
>
>Pramod posted-
>
>>New company Aerovair for Corvair parts for experimental aircraft
>>I have started a new company Aerovair to manufacture and sell innovative new
>>products and kits for Corvair engines.
>>Details are on my web site www.aerovair.com.
>>This business is separate from Nitron, Inc. specializing in ion nitriding.
>
>A visit to the website shows that he will be flight testing the products on his
Zenith, tail number N1777W. If memory serves me correctly, William Wynne's
Pietenpol was tail number N1777W... I guess since the Piet was destroyed the airplane
went off the registry and that number was available, but to me using that
tail number is almost like marrying your sister-in-law after your brother
dies ;o)
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | new source for Corvair parts? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
Nitron was the company that William Wynne was recommending for nitriding
cranks.
Pramod was the contact at Nitron.
N1777W was the tail number for WW's Piet.
He kept the number and used it for his Zenair 601.
Last summer William mentioned on his website that he was thinking about
selling his 601, so that he could have the space to possibly build a new
plane.
Looks like Pramod bought WW's 601 (maybe without an engine).
So, Oscar, maybe it's more like marrying your friend's second wife, that
he divorced after the first wife died.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>almost like marrying your sister-in-law after your brother dies ;o)
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| From: | "walt evans" <waltdak(at)verizon.net> |
Jack,
That's one beautiful picture of yours and Mike Cuy's on the tarmac
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: windscreens
As I recall (this was about 5 years ago) it took me a couple of weeks of
work so maybe a total of 20-25 hours?
I've attached another couple of photos of the plane so you can see the
finished product, as well as a couple of pictures of a Stearman's
windshield. You can tell I was copying it wherever I could.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: windscreens
Jack,
Those look great, now I am starting to consider going with faceted
windshields.. looks like a lot of work. Still might try the simple one
first..
How much time you think you will end up having spent building those?
Jim
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| From: | "Mike Whaley" <MerlinFAC(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | FAA waivers = EAA refusal to support chapter events |
I figured that it would interest many of my friends...
My local EAA chapter is organizing a rather large "aviation day" type fly-in
(Feb.16) for the second year. We were just informed by EAA that if an EAA
chapter fly-in has *any* FAA waivers for any reason, they will absolutely
NOT sanction the event or provide insurance. This would apply to ANY event
that has skydiving demos, balloon races, aerobatics, certain demonstrations,
military fly-bys, etc. I don't wanna start a big thing on this list per se,
but I know this will affect many aviation days, fly-ins, etc. that many of
you might be involved with. We were SHOCKED to hear this and it seemed to
fly in the face of what I understood they were saying about how the
well-publicized changes to the regional event sponsorships. They said that
those changes wouldn't affect chapter-level events and fly-ins, but it
obviously does.
I guess IAC is just out of luck now and can't hold acro contests unless they
go it alone?
In short, now we have to find our own insurance, and from what I heard at
the meeting today, many of the very active chapter members are *seriously*
angry with EAA... to the point that many experienced homebuilders have
started to question the benefit and purpose of even belonging to EAA and why
does our chapter even need to be be affiliated any more if they're not going
to help us promote aviation beyond a pancake breakfast?
I don't know if this is coming from the underwriters, lawyers, EAA board, or
who, but it sure seems to confirm a lot of the rumors that were going around
since last year. I've also been told that the new Young Eagles forms have
legal language that many pilots can't go along with and which requires the
parents to sign away all rights to sue EAA unless they pay EAA's expenses,
I'm not a lawyer but I heard about that at Oshkosh from some VERY
high-number YE pilots. I didn't place much stock in that story before but
now, the pieces seem to fit together rather well.
Has the heart and soul of the EAA finally been destroyed by lawyers? I sure
hope not, but I'm pretty alarmed right now and sad for the inevitable
side-effects. If they can't support their chapters holding reasonable, safe
events, then what CAN they do to support local aviation? Oshkosh is
wonderful and all, but that's NOT the focus of where new pilots come from!
They're basically saying that "if you work with the FAA and follow the rules
to keep the event safe, then we expect you to have an accident so we don't
want anything to do with you." I should point out that they won't cover ANY
part of the event, they're not just excluding covering the parts of it
requiring FAA waivers.
Anyway, I just thought that many of you would like to know about this
situation. We weren't told anything about this until just now... less than a
month out from our event! How many other EAA chapters are going to get this
same rude awakening at the last minute, and just cancel events entirely?
Sad, sad, sad. And they wonder why aviation is so expensive...
-Mike
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| From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
Hello Don,
Thanks to you and everybody else for the congrats.yes I have a few
pictures,here are a couple.
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| Subject: | Re: aircamper project |
| From: | "jmccarth" <jmccarth(at)aim.com> |
Is your project still available?
Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: aircamper project |
Yes. Where are you?
Tim
-----Original Message-----
>From: jmccarth <jmccarth(at)aim.com>
>Sent: Jan 17, 2008 6:41 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aircamper project
>
>
>Is your project still available?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158911#158911
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: aircamper project |
| From: | "jmccarth" <jmccarth(at)aim.com> |
I'm in Elgin Il, in between Rockford and Chicago. Are there pictures available?
You can use my email jmccarth(at)aim.com. I have tried emailing the address in
the link but it has been kicked back to me each time.
Jack
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| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
Thanks Walt. That was taken at Bryan Ohio at a fuel stop when Mike and
I were flying to Brodhead in 2005. That trip is one of the major
highlights in my life.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Dreaming of Brodhead on a cold, rainy morning
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
evans
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: windscreens
Jack,
That's one beautiful picture of yours and Mike Cuy's on the tarmac
walt evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: windscreens
As I recall (this was about 5 years ago) it took me a couple of weeks of
work so maybe a total of 20-25 hours?
I've attached another couple of photos of the plane so you can see the
finished product, as well as a couple of pictures of a Stearman's
windshield. You can tell I was copying it wherever I could.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jimd
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: windscreens
Jack,
Those look great, now I am starting to consider going with faceted
windshields.. looks like a lot of work. Still might try the simple one
first..
How much time you think you will end up having spent building those?
Jim
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158616#158616
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| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> |
Max, I've been wondering how your coming along with your project. Have
you decided on an engine yet? When the weather improves I'd like to fly
over and take a look.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Max Hegler
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: windscreens
Ken,
I would be interested in seeing your three samples...could save me
building time...I'm ready to fly...
Max
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| From: | "Terry Hall" <adaairport(at)cableone.net> |
| Subject: | Sky Scout Project for sale |
All,
After much deliberating this fall, I have decided to sell my Sky Scout
project. It will make a great project for someone, but I'm not able to
keep it. The project will simply not fit into my future retirement
plans.
Here are the particulars:
Fuselage skeleton of spruce and a/c plywood is complete and almost
ready for installation of parts and varnish.
Firewall made of galvanized.
Torque tube, control stick, rudder bar, tailskid, elevator
bellcrank, elevator horn, rudder horns, and some fuselage fittings
complete. All welding done by A&P.
Vertical stabilizer, horizontal stabilizer, and rudder are built but
will require some finish work
Engine support bearers are built.
Other items include:
Misc. aircraft hardware
Strips of 4130 steel
Steel for axles
Rudder and elevator hinges
extra 1/4" and 1/8" a/c plywood
Full size plans
Pietenpol building manual
My notes and photos
I'm asking $1000 for the complete project. Project is located in Ada,
OK, at the munipal airport. I have no way to transport to the new
owner.
Contact me at adaairport(at)cableone.net
Thanks,
Terry Hall
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| From: | "James" <jthursby(at)tampabay.rr.com> |
I now have my set of Charlie Rubek ribs for sale at $375. This is less than
they cost with the extra ones and you can't get a CR set any longer.
Remember, this includes four extra ribs and all the test pieces Charlie did
also. These are in Valrico Florida. I'll even meet somebody within 150
miles to deliver them.
Jim
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| From: | "Marc Dumay" <captmarcus(at)sympatico.ca> |
Spoked Wheels
Fellow members
We are looking for the manufacturer/supplier/owner of the wheels found on
the Sugar River Piet, which we located on the West Coast Piet website.
Any contact info would be appreciated
Blue skies
captmarcus
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| From: | Ryan Michals <aircamperace(at)yahoo.com> |
Marc, It looks like a very clever use of standard Cleveland wheels, drilled for
spokes. I'm curious as to how well they work.
Ryan M
Marc Dumay wrote:
Spoked Wheels
Fellow members
We are looking for the manufacturer/supplier/owner of the wheels found on the
Sugar River Piet, which we located on the West Coast Piet website.
Any contact info would be appreciated
Blue skies
captmarcus
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| From: | "Chet's Mail" <Chethartley1(at)mchsi.com> |
| Subject: | Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol Issue/Don Emch |
Brent,
Thanks for the replay I live in Holts Summit, and keep NX920Y at the
Jeff airport. Things are a little busy right now but I will be in touch
soon.
Chet Hartley 896-5405 or cell 573 - 645 - 0534.
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: CONTACT! Magazine, Pietenpol
Issue/Don Emch
Jefferson City area. 12 miles north Brent Scott-573 999 4120
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| From: | "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil |
Gents:
I am ready to build the Riblett Airfoil for my GN-1. I've purchased the
full-size drawing from Roman.
The Riblett rib is set up for a 3/4" spar. Pete Bowers, in his Fly Baby
drawings, recommends a 1 inch spar for the Fly Baby when powering the
ship with 100 hp or greater.
Question: Since I'll be rigging a WW Corvair on my GN-1, should I
increase the spar thickness in my Riblett/GN-1 to 1 inch? Will I die
before my time by staying with a 3/4" spar? No aerobatics intended, but
bumpy weather here in New England.
Thanks for your input,
Al in NH
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| Subject: | Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil |
| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
Pitts Specials and Citabrias both have a =BE" spar, as does my Pietenpol.
As long as you don't get too enthusiastic with the Whifferdills you should
be fine. I wouldn't bump the redline airspeed up much over 100 mph, though.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALAN LYSCARS
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil
Gents:
I am ready to build the Riblett Airfoil for my GN-1. I've purchased the fu
ll-size drawing from Roman.
The Riblett rib is set up for a 3/4" spar. Pete Bowers, in his Fly Baby dr
awings, recommends a 1 inch spar for the Fly Baby when powering the ship wi
th 100 hp or greater.
Question: Since I'll be rigging a WW Corvair on my GN-1, should I increase
the spar thickness in my Riblett/GN-1 to 1 inch? Will I die before my tim
e by staying with a 3/4" spar? No aerobatics intended, but bumpy weather h
ere in New England.
Thanks for your input,
Al in NH
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil |
Alan;
The spar strength, dimensions, and materials are selected by the designer based
on the wing span, chord, weight of the aircraft, and design G-loading. If you're
not changing the location of the spars relative to the leading edge, not
changing the wing chord, not changing any of the other factors- if a 3/4" thick
spar was OK with the Pietenpol airfoil I would think it would be OK with another
foil.
Sure, there are other factors that play into the selection such as pitching moment
(twist) and other effects that change when the airfoil is changed, but none
that would affect the spar thickness OTHER THAN THE SPAR DEPTH, which is of
course a very big consideration. I thought that the Riblett was a thicker airfoil
than the Piet, in which case the spars are deeper... even more reason why
the 3/4" should be acceptable if they were OK on the Pietenpol airfoil.
Disclaimer: I'm not an aerodynamicist, a structural engineer, or an aero engineer!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil |
| From: | "Bill Church" <eng(at)canadianrogers.com> |
Alan,
>From the information I have on the Riblett airfoil, the profile will
allow a taller spar (from memory, I think it's about 3/4" taller for the
front spar).
A basic comparison of the section modulus (used to determine the
strength of beams) of various spar cross-sections shows the following:
standard 3/4" x 4 3/4" spar - Section Modulus = 2.82
taller 3/4" x 5 1/2" spar - Section Modulus = 3.78
wider 1" x 4 3/4" spar - Section Modulus = 3.76
from this we can see that a 3/4" x 5 1/2" spar will have approximately
the same strength (in bending) as a 1" x 4 3/4", and approximately 1/3
more strength than a standard 3/4" x 4 3/4" spar.
The extra height of the taller spar will add about 16% to the weight of
the spar.
NOTE: this ONLY applies to vertical loading, and is presented for
reference only. There are many other factors that come into play in wing
loads.
Bill C.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I believe that one of the methods of determining Vne is that it is set at 9
0% of dive speed, Vd, and that Vd is required to be 1.4 times design cruise
speed for certification in the normal category.
Let's take an example... my airplane. I think I redlined my airspeed indic
ator at 95MPH (based on somebody else's info), which would mean it should h
ave been designed for Vd of 105MPH but I have no idea if it was. It also m
eans that cruise speed should be about 75MPH and that's pretty close to whe
re I cruise, if a little high. But here's better information: the Pietenpo
l family website shows the original Piet "high speed" as 90MPH. That would
hint at a designer's approved Vd of 100MPH and a cruise of 71MPH, which so
unds more like reality for this airplane.
I have heard that in order to flight-test to determine Vne, you'd have to f
ly at Vd for three minutes with no damage or flutter, then redline your Vne
at 90% of the tested Vd. I'm not sure I'd want to hold 41CC at 105MPH for
three minutes, or that it even could do that without me climbing waaayyy o
n up there to get enough altitude for the dive. It would really be coming
down at that speed.
Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http://w
ww.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil |
| From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
Alan,
I'll just add my 2 cents worth, even though we all know how little 2 cents is
worth nowadays. When Pietenpol designed his wing, he designed it based on trial
and error. Probably lots of error. He built it with a 1" thick spar routed
to an I beam. Later on he had trouble finding suitable 1" x 4 3/4" boards.
So he opted to laminate smaller pieces into a 3/4" x 4 3/4" non-routed spar.
He felt, as many do, that a properly laminated spar is somewhat stronger than
one of the same size but solid. As far as I can tell in researching, he did
not use solid 3/4" spars. I could be wrong though. I believe the 3/4" spars
we see in the 3-piece wing plans were of the built up laminated type. I know
there are lots of ships out there with solid 3/4" spars and as far as I know,
none have fallen out of the sky, so I guess my point might very well not mean
much of anything. I just thought I'd share what I've come across in my Pietenpol
experiences.
As a side note Frank Pavliga is recovering Sky Gypsy and should be done with
it in the Spring. He bought Lowell Frank's Lambert engine to power it. He flew
Mr. Frank's airplane just before he bought the engine off of it and told me
that the performance was very good. He also said he could tell the wing was
different ( has a Riblett airfoil). He mentioned it felt very pitch sensitive.
And that's coming from a pilot with 1400 hours in his own Piet. Just a thought
to those thinking about changing the airfoil. But of course I'm very biased
about the Pietenpol design!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| From: | "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips(at)cardinalhealth.com> |
I've never had my Pietenpol faster than about 90, and it was really "not
happy" at that speed, and let me know it.
As usual, Bernard knew what he was doing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar
Zuniga
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: determining Vne
I believe that one of the methods of determining Vne is that it is set
at 90% of dive speed, Vd, and that Vd is required to be 1.4 times design
cruise speed for certification in the normal category.
Let's take an example... my airplane. I think I redlined my airspeed
indicator at 95MPH (based on somebody else's info), which would mean it
should have been designed for Vd of 105MPH but I have no idea if it was.
It also means that cruise speed should be about 75MPH and that's pretty
close to where I cruise, if a little high. But here's better
information: the Pietenpol family website shows the original Piet "high
speed" as 90MPH. That would hint at a designer's approved Vd of 100MPH
and a cruise of 71MPH, which sounds more like reality for this airplane.
I have heard that in order to flight-test to determine Vne, you'd have
to fly at Vd for three minutes with no damage or flutter, then redline
your Vne at 90% of the tested Vd. I'm not sure I'd want to hold 41CC at
105MPH for three minutes, or that it even could do that without me
climbing waaayyy on up there to get enough altitude for the dive. It
would really be coming down at that speed.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | GN-1 Spar Thickness |
Thanks, Fellows, for all your comment,
I'll be staying with 3/4" spars on the Riblett airfoil (with a 100 hp
Vair strapped out front).
I don't think you'll be seeing me at Reno any time soon!
Warm Regards to all,
Al
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
And Elvis is still alive somewhere......
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | HelsperSew(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Piet Project for Sale |
Guys,
Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter. Piet Project
for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not covered. Have
engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920) 894-1991 or
cell (920) 946-9771.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I will ask
anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)
How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work only.
I am semi handy with tools.
Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat opposed to
building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project be a good way
to go in order to save time and $$$?
Steve Dortch
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> Guys,
>
> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> Piet Project
> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> covered. Have
> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> 894-1991 or
> cell (920) 946-9771.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
>
> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
Steve,
Don't underestimate the power of the project, you may soon find that the
process of the build is, in and of itself a journey of challenges and
satisfactions. Before you know it you're hooked on the build and the nuances of
personal preferences that peak your curiosity and creativity.
Just lovin the project one day at time
John
In a message dated 1/22/2008 9:40:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I will
ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)
How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work
only. I am semi handy with tools.
Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat opposed
to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project be a
good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
Steve Dortch
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> Guys,
>
> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> Piet Project
> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> covered. Have
> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> 894-1991 or
> cell (920) 946-9771.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
>
> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the building part
of it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1) to fly first
while you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for possibly less
money than it would cost to build one anyhow.
Rick
On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:
>
>
> I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I
> will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)
>
> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work
> only. I am semi handy with tools.
>
> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
> opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project
> be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
>
> Steve Dortch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> > Piet Project
> > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> > covered. Have
> > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> > 894-1991 or
> > cell (920) 946-9771.
> >
> > Dan Helsper
> > Poplar Grove, IL.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> > shape.
> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
> >
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil |
Please educate me...
1. By "pitch sensitive" is it meant that the elevator controls are more effective
(less input required for same change in aircraft pitch), or something else?
2. In any event, is "more pitch sensitive" a bad thing?
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Emch <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
>Sent: Jan 21, 2008 2:17 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Roman Bukolt's Riblett Airfoil
>
>
>Alan,
>
> I'll just add my 2 cents worth, even though we all know how little 2 cents
is worth nowadays. When Pietenpol designed his wing, he designed it based on
trial and error. Probably lots of error. He built it with a 1" thick spar routed
to an I beam. Later on he had trouble finding suitable 1" x 4 3/4" boards.
So he opted to laminate smaller pieces into a 3/4" x 4 3/4" non-routed spar.
He felt, as many do, that a properly laminated spar is somewhat stronger than
one of the same size but solid. As far as I can tell in researching, he did
not use solid 3/4" spars. I could be wrong though. I believe the 3/4" spars
we see in the 3-piece wing plans were of the built up laminated type. I know
there are lots of ships out there with solid 3/4" spars and as far as I know,
none have fallen out of the sky, so I guess my point might very well not mean
much of anything. I just thought I'd share what I've come across in my Pietenpol
experiences.
>
> As a side note Frank Pavliga is recovering Sky Gypsy and should be done with
it in the Spring. He bought Lowell Frank's Lambert engine to power it. He
flew Mr. Frank's airplane just before he bought the engine off of it and told
me that the performance was very good. He also said he could tell the wing was
different ( has a Riblett airfoil). He mentioned it felt very pitch sensitive.
And that's coming from a pilot with 1400 hours in his own Piet. Just a thought
to those thinking about changing the airfoil. But of course I'm very biased
about the Pietenpol design!
>
>Don Emch
>NX899DE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159623#159623
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
John, I understand and love projects. Love to figure out things and make them work
(not that good at it but I still love it.) However, as I peer into the hazy
crystal ball of my future. I don't see a lot of free time. Perhaps a Piet when
I am retired but that is a long ways off.
I have been around enough building/restoration projects to know that 90% complete
usually means 50% to go.
Blue skies, Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:06
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> Steve,
>
> Don't underestimate the power of the project, you may soon find
> that the
> process of the build is, in and of itself a journey of challenges
> and
> satisfactions. Before you know it you're hooked on the build and
> the nuances of
> personal preferences that peak your curiosity and creativity.
>
> Just lovin the project one day at time
>
> John
>
>
> In a message dated 1/22/2008 9:40:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil writes:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG
> FORSCOM"
>
>
> I realize that there are many variables in any project like this.
> But I will
> ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
> Infantryman.)
> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering
> Weekend work
> only. I am semi handy with tools.
>
> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not
> flat opposed
> to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished
> project be a
> good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
>
> Steve Dortch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> > Piet Project
> > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
>
> > covered. Have
> > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh.
> (920)
> > 894-1991 or
> > cell (920) 946-9771.
> >
> > Dan Helsper
> > Poplar Grove, IL.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> > shape.
> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-
> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
OK, What would be the general price range? I am just window shopping and not shopping
to buy at this point.
Steve D.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:41
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the
> building part
> of it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1) to
> fly first
> while you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for possibly
> lessmoney than it would cost to build one anyhow.
>
> Rick
>
> On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <
> steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:
>
> NG FORSCOM"
> >
> >
> > I realize that there are many variables in any project like
> this. But I
> > will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
> Infantryman.)>
> > How long might it take to complete this project? Considering
> Weekend work
> > only. I am semi handy with tools.
> >
> > Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
> > opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly
> finished project
> > be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
> >
> > Steve Dortch
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> > > Piet Project
> > > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> > > covered. Have
> > > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> > > 894-1991 or
> > > cell (920) 946-9771.
> > >
> > > Dan Helsper
> > > Poplar Grove, IL.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> > > shape.
> > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-
> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> ObjectAge Ltd.
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
Steve,
You ask about how much time to finish. You need to know more about whether the
steel fittings, pulleys and controls have been fabricated, if on LG, does it
have instruments, etc. A lot of fabrication has obviously been done for you already,
in any event. If you find out the project's exact status, others can
give you better estimates of time to finish.
Rick raises the question of time vs. value. It seems to me that finished Piets
with low-time engines go for $15K plus or minus a bit. The $4K for this project
is little more than the materials at current AS&S prices.
You may sub out the engine work, unless you know a lot about it already. By doing
the rest of the non-engine work yourself, as opposed to buying a completed
Piet, you will likely have a better understanding and appreciation of the finished
project.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 22, 2008 10:23 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>
>If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the building part
>of it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1) to fly first
>while you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for possibly less
>money than it would cost to build one anyhow.
>
>Rick
>
>On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <
>steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I
>> will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)
>>
>> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work
>> only. I am semi handy with tools.
>>
>> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
>> opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project
>> be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
>>
>> Steve Dortch
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
>> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>> > Guys,
>> >
>> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
>> > Piet Project
>> > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
>> > covered. Have
>> > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
>> > 894-1991 or
>> > cell (920) 946-9771.
>> >
>> > Dan Helsper
>> > Poplar Grove, IL.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
>> > shape.
>> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Rick Holland
>ObjectAge Ltd.
>Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
If I Finished out a project, would that make me the builder and therefore able
to do the annuals? Just a thot regarding future costs.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:11
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>
> Steve,
>
> You ask about how much time to finish. You need to know more
> about whether the steel fittings, pulleys and controls have been
> fabricated, if on LG, does it have instruments, etc. A lot of
> fabrication has obviously been done for you already, in any event.
> If you find out the project's exact status, others can give you
> better estimates of time to finish.
>
> Rick raises the question of time vs. value. It seems to me that
> finished Piets with low-time engines go for $15K plus or minus a
> bit. The $4K for this project is little more than the materials
> at current AS&S prices.
>
> You may sub out the engine work, unless you know a lot about it
> already. By doing the rest of the non-engine work yourself, as
> opposed to buying a completed Piet, you will likely have a better
> understanding and appreciation of the finished project.
>
> Tim in central TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
> >Sent: Jan 22, 2008 10:23 AM
> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> >
> >If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the
> building part
> >of it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1)
> to fly first
> >while you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for
> possibly less
> >money than it would cost to build one anyhow.
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <
> >steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:
> >
> NG FORSCOM"
> >>
> >>
> >> I realize that there are many variables in any project like
> this. But I
> >> will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
> Infantryman.)>>
> >> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering
> Weekend work
> >> only. I am semi handy with tools.
> >>
> >> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
> >> opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly
> finished project
> >> be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
> >>
> >> Steve Dortch
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >>
> >> > Guys,
> >> >
> >> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> >> > Piet Project
> >> > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> >> > covered. Have
> >> > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> >> > 894-1991 or
> >> > cell (920) 946-9771.
> >> >
> >> > Dan Helsper
> >> > Poplar Grove, IL.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> >> > shape.
> >> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-
> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >--
> >Rick Holland
> >ObjectAge Ltd.
> >Castle Rock, Colorado
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
One more mention, if size of your frame is a factor.....building is the only way
your are going to find a perfect fit.
AMsafetyC(at)aol.com wrote: Steve,
Don't underestimate the power of the project, you may soon find that the process
of the build is, in and of itself a journey of challenges and satisfactions.
Before you know it you're hooked on the build and the nuances of personal preferences
that peak your curiosity and creativity.
Just lovin the project one day at time
John
In a message dated 1/22/2008 9:40:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil
writes:
I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I will ask
anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)
How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work only.
I am semi handy with tools.
Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat opposed to
building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project be a good way
to go in order to save time and $$$?
Steve Dortch
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> Guys,
>
> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> Piet Project
> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> covered. Have
> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> 894-1991 or
> cell (920) 946-9771.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
>
> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
> e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - List
Contribution Web Site ; ========================
---------------------------------
Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
Steve,
That would be a big "Probably." You need to satisfy the requirement
that you are the major builder of the project and then you may be
granted your repairman certificate which will allow you to perform the
annual condition inspection. Although, with a homebuilt, this can be
performed by an A&P instead of an IA. I have done quite a few
homebuilts over the years as an A&P.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Jan 22, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM wrote:
> FORSCOM"
>
> If I Finished out a project, would that make me the builder and
> therefore able to do the annuals? Just a thot regarding future costs.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net>
> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:11
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> You ask about how much time to finish. You need to know more
>> about whether the steel fittings, pulleys and controls have been
>> fabricated, if on LG, does it have instruments, etc. A lot of
>> fabrication has obviously been done for you already, in any event.
>> If you find out the project's exact status, others can give you
>> better estimates of time to finish.
>>
>> Rick raises the question of time vs. value. It seems to me that
>> finished Piets with low-time engines go for $15K plus or minus a
>> bit. The $4K for this project is little more than the materials
>> at current AS&S prices.
>>
>> You may sub out the engine work, unless you know a lot about it
>> already. By doing the rest of the non-engine work yourself, as
>> opposed to buying a completed Piet, you will likely have a better
>> understanding and appreciation of the finished project.
>>
>> Tim in central TX
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Jan 22, 2008 10:23 AM
>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>>>
>>> If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the
>> building part
>>> of it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1)
>> to fly first
>>> while you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for
>> possibly less
>>> money than it would cost to build one anyhow.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM <
>>> steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:
>>>
>> NG FORSCOM"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I realize that there are many variables in any project like
>> this. But I
>>>> will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
>> Infantryman.)>>
>>>> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering
>> Weekend work
>>>> only. I am semi handy with tools.
>>>>
>>>> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
>>>> opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly
>> finished project
>>>> be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
>>>>
>>>> Steve Dortch
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
>>>> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
>>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>>>
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
>>>>> Piet Project
>>>>> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
>>>>> covered. Have
>>>>> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
>>>>> 894-1991 or
>>>>> cell (920) 946-9771.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dan Helsper
>>>>> Poplar Grove, IL.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
>>>>> shape.
>>>>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-
>> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick Holland
>>> ObjectAge Ltd.
>>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
Steve, for what it's worth here is my take on the question: "To buy and
fly or build and fly"
I love to fly and have bought, flown and sold a number of experimentals.
I've done some rebuilding on all of them. I bought a Piet already built and
love flying it. About a month ago I received a very hard blow to the head
that almost knocked me out. The reason I'm telling you this is because the
hit to the head (possible brain damage) is the only reason I can account for
the many times I have lately found myself waking up in the middle of the
night thinking about building myself a Piet from scratch. I lack both time
and finances but I'm really starting to loose sleep over this.
You might think about going in with someone else and buying a Piet and
little by little start building your own. That way you have the best of
both worlds.....Flying and Building.
Wonder if I order a set of plans if I'd be able to get more sleep?
Gene in rainy Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>
>
> I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I
> will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
> Infantryman.)
>
> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work
> only. I am semi handy with tools.
>
> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
> opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished
> project be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
>
> Steve Dortch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
>> Piet Project
>> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
>> covered. Have
>> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
>> 894-1991 or
>> cell (920) 946-9771.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Poplar Grove, IL.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
>> shape.
>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>>
>
>
> --
> 9:39 AM
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
Steve,
You can get a used Piet or GN-! for 10K to 15K, allot of plane for the money. You
are buying a wooden airplane so in addition the the regular stuff you have
to worry about look real close at the wood and glue joints. Also in my opinion
a homebuilt is worth more if it has 200 hours than if it has 5 hours.
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: 1/22/2008 11:32:39 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the building part of
it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1) to fly first while
you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for possibly less money than
it would cost to build one anyhow.
Rick
On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM
wrote:
I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I will ask
anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)
How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work only.
I am semi handy with tools.
Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat opposed to
building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project be a good way
to go in order to save time and $$$?
Steve Dortch
----- Original Message -----
From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> Guys,
>
> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> Piet Project
> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> covered. Have
> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> 894-1991 or
> cell (920) 946-9771.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
>
>
> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> shape.
> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
Gene, regarding the hit on the head, Avoid a repeat head injury, Drink lots of
water and start eating lots of butter. That is the latest wisdom on Traumatic
Brain Injury. Based on Army and NFL experiences.
Regarding the strange side effects of wanting to build a Piet. Try building the
balsa model and see if that gives relief.
Good thot.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:59
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>
> Steve, for what it's worth here is my take on the question: "To
> buy and
> fly or build and fly"
> I love to fly and have bought, flown and sold a number of
> experimentals.
> I've done some rebuilding on all of them. I bought a Piet already
> built and
> love flying it. About a month ago I received a very hard blow to
> the head
> that almost knocked me out. The reason I'm telling you this is
> because the
> hit to the head (possible brain damage) is the only reason I can
> account for
> the many times I have lately found myself waking up in the middle
> of the
> night thinking about building myself a Piet from scratch. I lack
> both time
> and finances but I'm really starting to loose sleep over this.
> You might think about going in with someone else and buying a Piet
> and
> little by little start building your own. That way you have the
> best of
> both worlds.....Flying and Building.
> Wonder if I order a set of plans if I'd be able to get more sleep?
> Gene in rainy Tennessee
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>
>
> NG FORSCOM"
> >
> >
> > I realize that there are many variables in any project like
> this. But I
> > will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
> > Infantryman.)
> >
> > How long might it take to complete this project? Considering
> Weekend work
> > only. I am semi handy with tools.
> >
> > Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not
> flat
> > opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly
> finished
> > project be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
> >
> > Steve Dortch
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> >> Guys,
> >>
> >> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
> >> Piet Project
> >> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
> >> covered. Have
> >> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
> >> 894-1991 or
> >> cell (920) 946-9771.
> >>
> >> Dan Helsper
> >> Poplar Grove, IL.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
> >> shape.
> >> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-
> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 9:39 AM
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Boatright <jboatri(at)emory.edu> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
It may vary by region, but our local FSDO signs in the person who
wrote his or her name on the paperwork. I have never heard of any of
our local homebuilders being asked whether they were the major
builder of the project. This may be an excellent question for Joe
Norris at EAA (jnorris(at)eaa.org). I've found him to be rapid and
thorough.
HTH
Jeff
>
>Steve,
>
>That would be a big "Probably." You need to satisfy the requirement
>that you are the major builder of the project and then you may be
>granted your repairman certificate which will allow you to perform
>the annual condition inspection. Although, with a homebuilt, this
>can be performed by an A&P instead of an IA. I have done quite a few
>homebuilts over the years as an A&P.
>
>-john-
>
>
>John Hofmann
>Vice-President, Information Technology
>The Rees Group, Inc.
>2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
>Madison, WI 53718
>Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
>Fax: 608.443.2474
>Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
>
>On Jan 22, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM wrote:
>
>>FORSCOM"
>>
>>If I Finished out a project, would that make me the builder and
>>therefore able to do the annuals? Just a thot regarding future
>>costs.
>>
>>Steve
>>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
Gene,
I am sorry to hear of your affliction, as a builder I can certainly
appreciate your dilemma. Having never suffered any type of head trauma I am unable
to
relate to that aspect. I can however tell you, that I share your
preoccupation to building a Piet, to the degree that it works well to keep my
mind on my
business. There is nothing like going down the turnpike on the mindless
commute and thinking about the build and the next step in the process, or in the
middle of the night to the exclusion of most all other thoughts. Loving the
build, learning a bunch,challenged with new elements as each assembly is
addressed and longing for the day to fly my bird.
I can think of many addictions and afflictions, however I can think of none
more demanding and worthy of my time, energy, dedication or life's ambitions
than to build and fly my Piet.
At times I think its worse and even more powerful than the infamous BB gun
fever so to all the builders I have met and those that I have yet to meet,
Keep on gluing!
John Recine
In a message dated 1/22/2008 12:49:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
zharvey(at)bellsouth.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy"
Steve, for what it's worth here is my take on the question: "To buy and
fly or build and fly"
I love to fly and have bought, flown and sold a number of experimentals.
I've done some rebuilding on all of them. I bought a Piet already built and
love flying it. About a month ago I received a very hard blow to the head
that almost knocked me out. The reason I'm telling you this is because the
hit to the head (possible brain damage) is the only reason I can account for
the many times I have lately found myself waking up in the middle of the
night thinking about building myself a Piet from scratch. I lack both time
and finances but I'm really starting to loose sleep over this.
You might think about going in with someone else and buying a Piet and
little by little start building your own. That way you have the best of
both worlds.....Flying and Building.
Wonder if I order a set of plans if I'd be able to get more sleep?
Gene in rainy Tennessee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>
>
> I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I
> will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an
> Infantryman.)
>
> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work
> only. I am semi handy with tools.
>
> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat
> opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished
> project be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?
>
> Steve Dortch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:50
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.
>> Piet Project
>> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not
>> covered. Have
>> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)
>> 894-1991 or
>> cell (920) 946-9771.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Poplar Grove, IL.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in
>> shape.
>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
>>
>
>
> --
> 9:39 AM
>
>
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Stinemetze" <tstinemetze(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: SpaceShipTwo |
I got an e-mail from my son Matthew this morning stating that he was
being sent to New York City to participate in a major announcement
tomorrow. (i.e. Wednesday, January 23) As you may know, my son is the
Scaled Composites project manager on the SpaceShipTwo project. He had
told me over the Christmas holiday that Virgin Galactic was planning
some kind of unveiling sometime in January. I suspect that this is it.
Anyway, watch for the news announcement on the major news networks.
As an aside, he also just happened to mention that Mike Melville (first
civilian astronaut) flew the first flight on his (Matt's) newly restored
Long EZ yesterday. MAN, that gets me dreaming of being able to do the
same on a finished Pietenpol. Maybe another couple of years.... It
also makes me wonder how such a smart elecky kid (trashed my snow blower
making an RC dragster) could have landed such a dream job right out of
college.
Tom Stinemetze
The Airplane Nut
____ | ____
\8/
/ \
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick Navratil" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet Project for Sale |
Gene
If you buy the plans, then you can lay awake picturing ways of assembling
landing gear and the possible solutions to all kinds of things not detailed
in the plans. You can also wake up in the middle of the night with clever
solutions to a new and better way of doing things. You will also try to
remember what they were in the morning.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale
>
>
> Steve, for what it's worth here is my take on the question: "To buy and
> fly or build and fly"
> I love to fly and have bought, flown and sold a number of experimentals.
> I've done some rebuilding on all of them. I bought a Piet already built
> and love flying it. About a month ago I received a very hard blow to the
> head that almost knocked me out. The reason I'm telling you this is
> because the hit to the head (possible brain damage) is the only reason I
> can account for the many times I have lately found myself waking up in the
> middle of the night thinking about building myself a Piet from scratch. I
> lack both time and finances but I'm really starting to loose sleep over
> this.
> You might think about going in with someone else and buying a Piet and
> little by little start building your own. That way you have the best of
> both worlds.....Flying and Building.
> Wonder if I order a set of plans if I'd be able to get more sleep?
> Gene in rainy Tennessee
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: SpaceShipTwo |
| From: | AmsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Too cool for words
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tom Stinemetze" <tstinemetze(at)cox.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:52:52
To:
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SpaceShipTwo
I got an e-mail from my son Matthew this morning stating that he was being sent
to New York City to participate in a major announcement tomorrow. (i.e. Wednesday,
January 23) As you may know, my son is the Scaled Composites project manager
on the SpaceShipTwo project. Hehad told me over the Christmas holiday that
Virgin Galactic was planning some kind of unveiling sometime in January. I suspect
that this is it. Anyway, watch for the news announcement on the major news
networks.
As an aside, he also just happened to mention that Mike Melville (first civilian
astronaut) flew the first flight on his (Matt's) newly restored Long EZ yesterday.
MAN, that gets me dreaming of being able to do the same on a finished Pietenpol.
Maybe another couple of years.... It also makes me wonder how such a
smart elecky kid (trashed my snow blower making an RC dragster) could have landed
such a dream job right out of college.
Tom Stinemetze
The Airplane Nut
____ |____
\8/
/ \
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric Williams <ewilliams805(at)msn.com> |
I want to be your son.
From: tstinemetze(at)cox.netTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Piete
npol-List: SpaceShipTwoDate: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:52:52 -0600
I got an e-mail from my son Matthew this morning stating that he was being
sent to New York City to participate in a major announcement tomorrow. (i.
e. Wednesday, January 23) As you may know, my son is the Scaled Composites
project manager on the SpaceShipTwo project. He had told me over the Chri
stmas holiday that Virgin Galactic was planning some kind of unveiling some
time in January. I suspect that this is it. Anyway, watch for the news an
nouncement on the major news networks.
As an aside, he also just happened to mention that Mike Melville (first civ
ilian astronaut) flew the first flight on his (Matt's) newly restored Long
EZ yesterday. MAN, that gets me dreaming of being able to do the same on a
finished Pietenpol. Maybe another couple of years.... It also makes me w
onder how such a smart elecky kid (trashed my snow blower making an RC drag
ster) could have landed such a dream job right out of college.
Tom Stinemetze
The Airplane Nut
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| From: | HelsperSew(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: SpaceShipTwo |
Tom,
Good for you and your son. I for one am very happy for your good fortune.
I'm sure you are very proud of him, and sure that you deserve this after many
years of trying to do your best in raising him. Keep plug'n on the ole' Piet.
You'll get er done.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
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| From: | "Tom Stinemetze" <tstinemetze(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: SpaceShipTwo |
>Good for you and your son. I for one am very happy for your good
fortune.
>I'm sure you are very proud of him, and sure that you deserve this
after many
>years of trying to do your best in raising him. Keep plug'n on the ole'
Piet.
>You'll get er done.
Thanks for the kind words Dan. Sure I'm proud of my boys but sometimes
it's hard not to get a little jealous. For instance, when Matt was
working on
his Long EZ he had after hours access to all the tools and tooling at
Scaled Composites plus a lot of personalized assistance from guys like
Mike Melville. Burt even stopped by from time to time to "see how
you're
messing up my design." Must be tough! My Piet, on the other hand, is
happening in a 12' x 20' storage shed and my most exotic tool is a
homemade foam cutter. (I shouldn't even mention that as no one in their
right mind puts fiberglass on an Air Camper do they?)
Don't let my whining wear you down though. I have a great bunch of guys
to call on in my EAA chapter and it is a "ton of fun" working on this
project.
My Piet'l surly be faster than that Long EZ anyway.
Tom Stinemetze
The Airplane Nut
____ | ____
\8/
/ \
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| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
MessageSpeaking of SS II, take a look at the simulated flight video on this
EAA web site. It is an excellent video. There are a lot of other good
videos there including an 8 minute video on 70 years of the Piet that I have
not had a chance to look at yet.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
Stinemetze
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:38 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SpaceShipTwo
>Good for you and your son. I for one am very happy for your good fortune.
>I'm sure you are very proud of him, and sure that you deserve this after
many
>years of trying to do your best in raising him. Keep plug'n on the ole'
Piet.
>You'll get er done.
Thanks for the kind words Dan. Sure I'm proud of my boys but sometimes
it's hard not to get a little jealous. For instance, when Matt was
working on
his Long EZ he had after hours access to all the tools and tooling at
Scaled Composites plus a lot of personalized assistance from guys like
Mike Melville. Burt even stopped by from time to time to "see how you're
messing up my design." Must be tough! My Piet, on the other hand, is
happening in a 12' x 20' storage shed and my most exotic tool is a
homemade foam cutter. (I shouldn't even mention that as no one in their
right mind puts fiberglass on an Air Camper do they?)
Don't let my whining wear you down though. I have a great bunch of guys
to call on in my EAA chapter and it is a "ton of fun" working on this
project.
My Piet'l surly be faster than that Long EZ anyway.
Tom Stinemetze
The Airplane Nut
____ | ____
\8/
/ \
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| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
| Subject: | This week's radio show |
We should have a very good radio show this week at www.flighttimeradio.com.
We have a good friend of ours on who is a banner tow company owner,
instructor specializing in tailwheel training, and and master CFI. He is
always entertaining and should be a lot of fun. We also have our retired air
traffic controller from our first show helping to guest host and we will
have a DAR giving us the latest news on LSA conversions. This show will be
to hours again this week and starts at 9:00 AM eastern time.
We will also have some free giveaways for callers starting this week.
We have had about 2,000 new web site hits since AOPA gave us a story in
their EPilot email so we should have a bunch of listeners and people calling
in this week.
Brian Kraut
www.flighttimeradio.com
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| From: | "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi,
Just had an interesting experience, was bidding on a 5pt set of sprint car seat
belts (aircraft style) on eBay and someone asked the seller what the expiration
date was, and he said 2005. That led me to delve in to why seat belts for sprint
cars would have an expiration date. There was a faq that said that the belts
lose a great deal of strength in there first year, and enough that by the
second or third year that they were not strong enough to work adequately for
a crash.
Think I did one of those dog head tilt "say what?" things. Anyway first thought
was that instead of a used ones, I would get new ones, which cost more but should
be stronger. How strong should they be? Did some searching the net and ran
across some safety articles saying that most light plane wrecks (80-90%) are
survivable if proper seat belt/restraints with the ability to handle around 20g
forces are properly installed and worn.
My GN-1 biplane project has a very strong cable that is anchored to the steel tube
frame for the shoulder belts, and two mount points on the pilots seat for
belts (that are anchored to the steel tube frame). The passenger seat has two
mount points for belts, but nothing for the shoulders.
Saw that the PFA (Brittish equivelent of FAA I think?) required quite a bit of
beefing up of the mountings for pietenpol's seat belt/restraints.
What kind of belts/mountings are you guys using on your planes? Heard anything
about the strength and degradation issues the car racing folks talk about? Personally
I am wondering about car seat belts.. have an old 86 Porsche 944 with
22yr old belts, and my newest car has 3 yr old ones. Makes you think.
Jim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160654#160654
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Never heard of seat belt degrading, so now we need to replace our seat belts
every two years along with our batteries?
Rick
On Jan 27, 2008 9:17 AM, jimd wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Just had an interesting experience, was bidding on a 5pt set of sprint car
> seat belts (aircraft style) on eBay and someone asked the seller what the
> expiration date was, and he said 2005. That led me to delve in to why seat
> belts for sprint cars would have an expiration date. There was a faq that
> said that the belts lose a great deal of strength in there first year, and
> enough that by the second or third year that they were not strong enough to
> work adequately for a crash.
>
> Think I did one of those dog head tilt "say what?" things. Anyway first
> thought was that instead of a used ones, I would get new ones, which cost
> more but should be stronger. How strong should they be? Did some searching
> the net and ran across some safety articles saying that most light plane
> wrecks (80-90%) are survivable if proper seat belt/restraints with the
> ability to handle around 20g forces are properly installed and worn.
>
> My GN-1 biplane project has a very strong cable that is anchored to the
> steel tube frame for the shoulder belts, and two mount points on the pilots
> seat for belts (that are anchored to the steel tube frame). The passenger
> seat has two mount points for belts, but nothing for the shoulders.
>
> Saw that the PFA (Brittish equivelent of FAA I think?) required quite a
> bit of beefing up of the mountings for pietenpol's seat belt/restraints.
>
> What kind of belts/mountings are you guys using on your planes? Heard
> anything about the strength and degradation issues the car racing folks talk
> about? Personally I am wondering about car seat belts.. have an old 86
> Porsche 944 with 22yr old belts, and my newest car has 3 yr old ones. Makes
> you think.
>
> Jim
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160654#160654
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AmsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Fyi I had come across that a few years back. I asked a buddy about it he's into
building drag race cars. He told me there in nothing wrong with the belts. Just
another way for the seatbelt companies to make more.
I doubt you can get on a comercial jet that just had all its passenger belts replaced
due to the 2 year age. My car is 10 years old and I have to change the
belts. I haven't even gotten a recall or service notice on that.
If I can snag 2 sets alike in color and style I am gonna install them in my Piet.
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:58:35
To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat belts?
Never heard of seat belt degrading, so now we need to replace our seat belts every
two years along with our batteries?
Rick
On Jan 27, 2008 9:17 AM, jimd > wrote:
Hi,
Just had an interesting experience, was bidding on a 5pt set of sprint car seat
belts (aircraft style) on eBay and someone asked the seller what the expiration
date was, and he said 2005. That led me to delve in to why seat belts for sprint
cars would have an expiration date. There was a faq that said that the belts
lose a great deal of strength in there first year, and enough that by the
second or third year that they were not strong enough to work adequately for
a crash.
Think I did one of those dog head tilt "say what?" things. Anyway first thought
was that instead of a used ones, I would get new ones, which cost more but should
be stronger. How strong should they be? Did some searching the net and ran
across some safety articles saying that most light plane wrecks (80-90%) are
survivable if proper seat belt/restraints with the ability to handle around 20g
forces are properly installed and worn.
My GN-1 biplane project has a very strong cable that is anchored to the steel tube
frame for the shoulder belts, and two mount points on the pilots seat for
belts (that are anchored to the steel tube frame). The passenger seat has two
mount points for belts, but nothing for the shoulders.
Saw that the PFA (Brittish equivelent of FAA I think?) required quite a bit of
beefing up of the mountings for pietenpol's seat belt/restraints.
What kind of belts/mountings are you guys using on your planes? Heard anything
about the strength and degradation issues the car racing folks talk about? Personally
I am wondering about car seat belts.. have an old 86 Porsche 944 with
22yr old belts, and my newest car has 3 yr old ones. Makes you think.
Jim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160654#160654
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Jim,
I walked into my local racing (dirt car) business and asked for some seat belt
harnesses. The had a wide array to choose from and I found a nice pair with
the shoulder and waist belt all sew together with just a buckle to connect them
all. It also came with the mounting hardware so I cut the end of the mounting
strap to proper length I needed and re-sewned it to the clasp. (a boot repair
shop does this)
The check fit and adjustablility....great! Looks professional and cool!....great!
only 30 bucks!...priceless!
My therory is this..seatbealts hold you in place and keep you from migrating
amounst the cockpit environment. Saving me from a crash, burn, or flip?.......between
me and the maker!
Ken H
jimd wrote:
Hi,
Just had an interesting experience, was bidding on a 5pt set of sprint car seat
belts (aircraft style) on eBay and someone asked the seller what the expiration
date was, and he said 2005. That led me to delve in to why seat belts for sprint
cars would have an expiration date. There was a faq that said that the belts
lose a great deal of strength in there first year, and enough that by the
second or third year that they were not strong enough to work adequately for
a crash.
Think I did one of those dog head tilt "say what?" things. Anyway first thought
was that instead of a used ones, I would get new ones, which cost more but should
be stronger. How strong should they be? Did some searching the net and ran
across some safety articles saying that most light plane wrecks (80-90%) are
survivable if proper seat belt/restraints with the ability to handle around 20g
forces are properly installed and worn.
My GN-1 biplane project has a very strong cable that is anchored to the steel tube
frame for the shoulder belts, and two mount points on the pilots seat for
belts (that are anchored to the steel tube frame). The passenger seat has two
mount points for belts, but nothing for the shoulders.
Saw that the PFA (Brittish equivelent of FAA I think?) required quite a bit of
beefing up of the mountings for pietenpol's seat belt/restraints.
What kind of belts/mountings are you guys using on your planes? Heard anything
about the strength and degradation issues the car racing folks talk about? Personally
I am wondering about car seat belts.. have an old 86 Porsche 944 with
22yr old belts, and my newest car has 3 yr old ones. Makes you think.
Jim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160654#160654
Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
---------------------------------
Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gene Rambo" <GeneRambo(at)msn.com> |
Yes you will get on an airliner that has had its belts changed!! Take a
look on EBAY at all of the aircraft seat belt sets for sale, these were
taken off of airliners. The 121 regs require the belts to be changed
periodically.
TSOd seatbelts have a strength requirement that can be looked up easily
online, something like 2500 lbs tensile strength. Most TSO tags have a
date on them, usually the date of manufacture but I suppose an
expiration date may be on some. The tag also usually has the strength
requirement on it.
For a homebuilt, like ours, we can do pretty much whatever we want, but
we should stay within the strength limits. Someone on here bought belts
and shortened them and had a show shop re-sew the ends. That is great,
but keep in mind that companies that make seat belts use a needle with a
rounded end. A sharp needle, I am told, tears the fibers of the belt
and weakens it. You should at least pull test it to the limit once you
have had it altered. Call Jack Hooker (great-grandson of General Hooker
and source of the term "Hooker", who makes Hooker harnesses for aircraft
and race cars) sometime, he will be happy to tell you anything you need
to know.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: AmsafetyC(at)aol.com<mailto:AmsafetyC(at)aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Seat belts?
AmsafetyC(at)aol.com
Fyi I had come across that a few years back. I asked a buddy about it
he's into building drag race cars. He told me there in nothing wrong
with the belts. Just another way for the seatbelt companies to make
more.
I doubt you can get on a comercial jet that just had all its passenger
belts replaced due to the 2 year age. My car is 10 years old and I have
to change the belts. I haven't even gotten a recall or service notice on
that.
If I can snag 2 sets alike in color and style I am gonna install them
in my Piet.
John
January 08, 2008 - January 27, 2008
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