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r legs (straight tube Jenny style gear), a couple of the crosspieces in th
e bottom of the fuselage where the landing gear attaches, and in the Model
A engine mount. Everything else is Sitka spruce. Is this the same as othe
r builders?
Fred B.
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
I do wish that my turtle deck was higher if only for the safety factor
of the shoulder harnesses. See the attached photo that Mikeee took at
Brodhead, this year.
Dan
On 10/28/2010 07:17 PM, K5YAC wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC"
>
> I understand Dan, and I am trying my best to adhere to the plans, but in reality,
I am 6'5" tall... something that Bernard didn't have to consider. I have
sat in my fuselage with a simple seat that should closely replicate my position
in the rear pit and I've found that the rear seat back/turtle deck front is
way too low to provide for effective safety harness installation, not to mention
the added comfort of an upper back rest.
>
> Unfortunately, I have a much larger than average framework, but I don't intend
to keep that from letting me build or fly this airplane.
>
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> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317357#317357
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Hor. Stab. Question |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Hmmm, seems that the base of the vertical stab should be that same as the chord
of the horizontal stab... 18". I don't have my parts in front of me, but that
is the way the plans show it to be.
Is your Horizontal stab 18" from LE to TE? If so, how long is the base of your
vertical stab? Are you accounting for the thickness of the vertical TE and LE?
Those should be attached to the front and rear of the base material. Have
another look at the image below for clarification.
Let us know what you discover.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Hor. Stab. Question |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Thanks Mark;
Yep, everything is the right size, but, giving your picture the alice's restaurant
treatment (and actually just noticing it myself) the arrows are pointing
to the gaps i'm talking about.
i am thinking i could add a small piece to the bottom to the vert. stab.
to fill in upper gap at the leading edge.
Earl
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| Subject: | Re: Hor. Stab. Question |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Ahhh, ok... I see what you are talking about. Yes, mine is the same way (with
the slight gap). I misread your original post... I thought you were saying that
the base of your vert stab was short...
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Received my Okoume order from- Boulter Plywood-this-past week.-I mu
st say, the =0Aquality is very good and the price was fantastic. It pays to
ask for damage wood =0Awhen looking for Okoume.-It was cheaper to order
the Okoume from Massachusetts =0Athen buying it 150 miles away! Not to ment
ioned I saved on shipping too! When =0Asheets-of wood are transported and
moved about you do get some rub down corners =0Aand slight edge damage. Ho
wever, we are cutting and trimming everything on this =0Aplace so that-di
d not bother-me at all.-I have all my Okoume and very pleased =0Awith
-Boulter Plywood.- I did mention to them I was building a-Pietenpol
=0Aand-wanted very good selections.-Boulter prices were very very good!
=0A=0AKMH=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
That's the place I use as well and have had very good luck with them.
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another Turtle Deck Question |
Lowell,
I'm not sure you were directing that comment to me, but assuming that you
were, since I was the only one who recently posted a pic of the tail
section, thanks for pointing that out. It certainly got me to thinking last
night...kept me awake all night! Today I was eager to get my work done so
that I could check on your concerns.
It's hard to see in the picture, but I do have springs that give at full
deflection, and the rudder does fully deflect. In fact, I will have to
incorporate some stops.
Thanks again (for keeping me up all night ;-)),
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pieti Lowell
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Turtle Deck Question
May I ask a question,
How are you controlling your rudder and tail wheel ? If by the same rudder
cables, are the rudder and tail wheel control arms the same length ? as they
must turn equal radius to get full rudder control. If the tail wheel arms
are shorter the rudder will not swing fully.
Pieti Lowell
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Hor. Stab. Question |
You may not have gone where you intended to go...
Doublers need to be added at several points on the horizontal stabilizer in
order to make things come out right.
See below:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of echobravo4
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 9:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hor. Stab. Question
hi everybody-
i have my horizontal stab. jigged up and ready to start gluing but
noticed that when i take what will be the bottom of the fin and lay
it on the hor. stab. that it only sits on the main beam gusset and the
3/16 ply doubler on the spar- it's not touching the leading edge
doubler.
Is that normal or have i screwed something up!?
Thanks-
Earl
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
where I intended to be.
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
Just thought I'd post my progress: When Jack Phillips came up a few weeks
ago=2C we finalized all of the assembly and rigging and I think Jack posted
photos. We just did start glueing fabric. Since then=2C I have covered t
he one-piece wing and shrunk it. Today=2C I spent the whole day brushing o
n the first coat of nitrate dope. Needless to say=2C I am high as a kite r
ight now!!! I have snapped chalk lines and pre-punched all of the rib stit
ching holes. Unfortunately=2C I am going away until next wednesday (have V
IP tix to see the shuttle launch up close!)=2C so it will be next thursday
before I can start rib stitching. Looking forward to re-learning that art!
Just as a note=2C I am using the glider-weight ceconite fabric and Randolph
dope for the finish. After seeing Dan Helsper's airplane and talking to h
im=2C I decided to use the Stewart System water-based glue. It really work
s fantastic! Sticks well and easily=2C no smell=2C easy clean up=2C VERY e
asy to work with. After I was done with the wing=2C I called Stuart and ta
lked to them. I asked if anyone had used their glue with dope. I expected
an objection=2C but they said "sure=2C lots of people=2C there is no probl
em with it=2C it works fine and the dope does not touch it (which I had alr
eady determined before I started)."
I am hoping to get the wing stitched and taped before it gets too cold (fir
st light freeze tonight)=2C and maybe get the fuselage covered and shrunk.
The tail surfaces and ailerons I can do in my house this winter since the
glue does not smell. Hopefully when it gets warm next spring I will be rea
dy to spray everything.
Gene Rambo
Model A
Cloudcars scimitar prop
short fuselage
Jenny gear
wire wheels (no brakes)
one-piece wing (no flop)
is that everything?
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
I have an old Poly-Fiber sheet here that says witth two coats polybrush,
three of
polyspray and three of polytone, 1.7oz fabric weighs 1.4oz / ft=B2 .
>From my "Aircraft Materials and Processes" 1937, birch 1/16 ply=
4oz/ft=B2 and
mahogany about three oz. This before paint.
These are out of books of course so your mileage may vary. :-)
Clif
Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight difference
between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16" plywood?
Ray Krause,
Colusa, CA.
Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along.
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| Subject: | Re: Resaw Options |
| From: | "gtche98" <gtche98(at)gmail.com> |
Jon - I agree with you that the band saw is the only way to go to re-saw. Fortunately
I have a Delta band saw that will do just the trick. Thanks for the link
to Highland Hardware. I used to love visiting that store in person when I
lived in Atlanta.
Having said that, I don't think my original plan to get 3 slices of cap strip out
of a 1" board is going to work. The spruce will be quartersawn, correct?
If that is the case, then I will need to cut the 1/2" side of the cap strip out
of the thickness of the board to get the grain to run in the right direction.
If I can find 5/4 lumber, I could get 2 cap strips out of the thickness of
the board.
The more I think about it, the more I think that I may just get the cap strip from
Aircraft Spruce, and get the remaining lumber from McCormick.
Someone please set me straight if I am not thinking about this correctly.
Gary
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Saw a Piet for sale in Atlantic Flyer (online). Covered, ready to assemble w/65
Conti. $5k... incase someone would like to know. Forgot exact address..google
it, then hit 'home' to get to current issue. Might be worth the price for parts
alone.
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| Subject: | Re: Resaw Options |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
The ribs are very sturdy as per plans. Some say that they are overdesigned. Provided
that you are using Sitka, or a wood with similar strength, the capstrips
for the ribs can be made a little bit narrower. So, if you can get 7/16" wide
capstrips out of your boards, you should be okay. The ribs would still be stronger
than ribs made from 1/4" x 1/2" Western Red Cedar - which many Piets have
flow quite successfully with.
Bill C.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | new Piet on the block |
Howdy, Pieters;
Well, we've got a new Piet on our field... just arrived.
Apparently it has sat in a hangar or barn for quite some
time because it's looking pretty dusty and sad, but it has
promise. The airplane is tail number N3379 and has some
interesting features... streamlined wires for the tail braces,
wing centersection tank as well as a nose tank, fairly full
panel, canvas seat (which I'm already envying), and other
stuff. The wings and struts are off of it since it seems to
have been trailered to its new home. Engine looks to be an
A65 and the registration search seems to confirm that. It
has split gear with bungees and the bungees are long gone.
It was registered in 1974 and looks about that vintage.
I'll have to go back and get a better look at it,but the new
owner is an A&P with plenty of time on his hands, so I hope
the bird gets stripped down to the bare bones and gets a
restoration. It's what this same gent did for an Ercoupe and
it is a beautiful little restoration that is a joy to watch
in the air.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Ray Krause" <raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
Cliff,
That is a big difference is weight. I did not even imagine it would be
that much. I guess that "shows to go you" that every little change
really increases the weight.
Thanks so much for taking the time to look up this information.... guess
I could have done it myself. Just think, every extra gusset placed on
the plane is probably an extra ounce, plus the weight of the glue. We
might want to keep that in mind.
Thanks again!
Thanks and fly SAFELY,
Ray Krause
Waiex 51YX, Jabiru 3300 (1197), Sensenich wood prop, AeroCarb (#2 needle
modified), Dynon D-180, Garmin SL 30 NavCom, Garmin 327 transponder,
Garmin Aera 560, nav and strobe lights: 227 hrs.
Also building the Sky Scout.. time table is SLOW!
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fwd: Turtle Deck and Instrument
Panels
I have an old Poly-Fiber sheet here that says witth two coats
polybrush, three of
polyspray and three of polytone, 1.7oz fabric weighs 1.4oz / ft=B2 .
From my "Aircraft Materials and Processes" 1937, birch 1/16 ply=
4oz/ft=B2 and
mahogany about three oz. This before paint.
These are out of books of course so your mileage may vary. :-)
Clif
Out of curiosity, does anyone have a guess as to the weight
difference between covering the turtle deck with fabric or 1/16"
plywood?
Ray Krause,
Colusa, CA.
Ribs and tail sections done, fuselage coming along.
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: new Piet on the block |
Oscar,=0A=0AYou must take some photos and share with the list! Nothing bett
er than to eye up =0Aanother bird!=0A=0AKen=0A-=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____
___________________________=0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>=0A
2010 7:09:04 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: new Piet on the block=0A=0A--> P
ietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga =0A=0A
=0AHowdy, Pieters;=0A=0AWell, we've got a new Piet on our field... just arr
ived.=0AApparently it has sat in a hangar or barn for quite some=0Atime bec
ause it's looking pretty dusty and sad, but it has=0Apromise.- The airpla
ne is tail number N3379 and has some=0Ainteresting features... streamlined
wires for the tail braces,=0Awing centersection tank as well as a nose tank
, fairly full=0Apanel, canvas seat (which I'm already envying), and other
=0Astuff.- The wings and struts are off of it since it seems to=0Ahave be
en trailered to its new home.- Engine looks to be an=0AA65 and the regist
ration search seems to confirm that.- It=0Ahas split gear with bungees an
d the bungees are long gone.=0AIt was registered in 1974 and looks about th
at vintage.=0A=0AI'll have to go back and get a better look at it,but the n
ew=0Aowner is an A&P with plenty of time on his hands, so I hope=0Athe bird
gets stripped down to the bare bones and gets a=0Arestoration.- It's wha
t this same gent did for an Ercoupe and=0Ait is a beautiful little restorat
ion that is a joy to watch=0Ain the air.=0A=0AOscar Zuniga=0AAir Camper NX4
1CC=0ASan Antonio, TX=0Amailto: taildrags@hotmail.com=0Awebsite at http://w
ww.flysquirrel.net --- --- --- - --- ---
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Control Stick Question |
Regarding the bearing bored to =BC inch x 1-1/4=94 long at the bottom of
the
stick and going through the main horizontal tube=85does it also go
through the
metal straps on either side of the control stick that bolt to the
control
tube? Or after welding, is the bearing cut off flush with the
horizontal
control tube (7/8=94), and then straps butt up against it. This is show
on
page 4 of the plans.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Another Turtle Deck Question |
| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Hey Mark;
fwiw, i just got some 9' TE sections from AS&S and they
came fedex ground.
Earl
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Control Stick Question |
neither. The bearing tube is somewhat woder than the tube and square on th
e ends. The straps on the bottom of the stick bolt to the outside of the b
earing tube and rotate om it.
Gene
From: jack(at)textors.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Control Stick Question
Date: Sun=2C 31 Oct 2010 11:07:54 -0500
Regarding the bearing bored to =BC inch x 1-1/4=94 long at the bottom of th
e stick and going through the main horizontal tube=85does it also go throug
h the metal straps on either side of the control stick that bolt to the con
trol tube? Or after welding=2C is the bearing cut off flush with the horiz
ontal control tube (7/8=94)=2C and then straps butt up against it. This is
show on page 4 of the plans.
Thanks=2C
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Howdy,here are some pics of this weekends progress.
Dave
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Building a Piet
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| Subject: | Re: Another Turtle Deck Question |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Wow! 9 footers! I called and found out that they will definitely ship anything
up to 8'. I'm planning to get some spruce on order tomorrow.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I know Halloween was yesterday, so forgive me for the scary photo...
With a 10-13/16" radius (21-5/8" width at seat back), I have just enough space
to allow for proper placement of the seat belt. I know this doesn't do much to
illustrate how the taller seat back might actually look... I'll have to post
some of those photos later on. In the current form, the front of my turtle deck
will be 4-13/16" taller than plans. Please don't send a lynch mob. :-)
Oh, I am sitting on a makeshift seat that has me ~5" off the floor of the fuse.
I hope this was a good estimate as the plans show the front of the seat to be
6" off the floor at the front, and then another 1" or so when I count the seat
top, which I plan to make with a wicker weave. I should be in the ballpark...
I hope.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
My Okume arrived as well, and it's in very nice condition; attached to a 1/4 in
thk, sheet of particle or ply, and wrapped in cardboard.
As far as I can tell, first quality, no problems.
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Tom Kreiner
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
| From: | Jack <jack(at)textors.com> |
Mark don't forget the reduced clearance above for entry and exit.
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2010, at 9:13 AM, "K5YAC" wrote:
>
> I know Halloween was yesterday, so forgive me for the scary photo...
>
> With a 10-13/16" radius (21-5/8" width at seat back), I have just enough space
to allow for proper placement of the seat belt. I know this doesn't do much
to illustrate how the taller seat back might actually look... I'll have to post
some of those photos later on. In the current form, the front of my turtle
deck will be 4-13/16" taller than plans. Please don't send a lynch mob. :-)
>
> Oh, I am sitting on a makeshift seat that has me ~5" off the floor of the fuse.
I hope this was a good estimate as the plans show the front of the seat to
be 6" off the floor at the front, and then another 1" or so when I count the
seat top, which I plan to make with a wicker weave. I should be in the ballpark...
I hope.
>
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> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I'm planning to cut out my center section.
I know, I know... somebody get a rope!!
jack(at)textors.com wrote:
> Mark don't forget the reduced clearance above for entry and exit.
>
> Jack Textor
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
I'm thinking that's not such a bad idea. I had hoped to leave my center section
"as is" with no notch/opening but have just about decided an opening will be
needed. So I'll probably be doing the same thing!
It's just a shame the extra work will move my "first flight" date back a week or
so.... :-)
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
>Sent: Nov 1, 2010 7:59 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels
>
>
>I'm planning to cut out my center section.
>
>I know, I know... somebody get a rope!!
>
>
>jack(at)textors.com wrote:
>> Mark don't forget the reduced clearance above for entry and exit.
>>
>> Jack Textor
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>
>
>--------
>Mark Chouinard
>Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317751#317751
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Space, or lack there of |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Plan F
Rent a storage facility or hangar.
Plan G
Build a shop.
Plan H
Move.
Go Rangers!
[Laughing]
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Space, or lack there of |
| From: | "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net> |
It's easy.
Plan E. Just wear a helmet when going in and out of the garage.
Unless your family is a statistical anomaly, your wife is shorter than you, so
she won't be troubled by your troubles in this regard....
Go Giants? We need a head-scratching emoticon. What's a Californian doing rooting
for Eli Manning and his team? [Rolling Eyes]
Oh, wait a minute. Wrong sport.
Never mind. :D
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Bill Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Making Progress |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Jim,The angle seemed to be the hot ticket.I used stainless machine screws about
8" apart and will rivet it all together with AN470A's.Used .050 2024 T-3 Alclad,figered
I just bend up anything thinner.Dave
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Building a Piet
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
My deck is 9.5" tall. I'm 5' 8". The straps just clear my
shoulders with my jacket on.
I could have got another inch by running them through slots
on the top of the deck and putting little covers over them,
sort of like those teardrops on radial engine cowlings, like
on this 195. That would look kinda neat!
Oh yeah, Notice that the deck profile is oval, not round.
This puts the strap outlets higher while letting the
overall height be lower. It also fairs the deck/fuselage joint
almost flush.
Clif
90% done90% to go.
> (21-5/8" width at seat back), I have just enough space to allow for proper
> placement of the seat belt. >
> Oh, I am sitting on a makeshift seat that has me ~5" off the floor of the
> fuse. > Mark Chouinard
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Ernst Kessler Bucker for sale!!! |
See Barnstormers.com=2C the Bucker used in TGWP is for sale!! We should al
l pool together and buy it!!!!!
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: Turtle Deck and Instrument Panels |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Beautiful work Clif, and neat suggestions. I'll keep those in mind in the event
that I need to go higher.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Making Progress |
Dave,
It looks very good. I like the way you terminated the cowling for the rear cockpit
too. I was wondering how big a curve to use and yours is looking about right.
thanks again,
Jim B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2010 5:48:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making Progress
Jim,The angle seemed to be the hot ticket.I used stainless machine screws about
8" apart and will rivet it all together with AN470A's.Used .050 2024 T-3 Alclad,figered
I just bend up anything thinner.Dave
--------
Building a Piet
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | paint matching and auto enamel |
Hey,
My new paintjob isn't going to involved lots of color, but rather the nose,
turtle decking and edging of all tail surfaces and wings. I'm also going
with a rather unusual green, and thought that I'd simply get some latex
mixed up, but then I need to find an easy way to match some enamel for the
cowling and metal parts.
Can I go to an auto parts store, or an auto paint shop and have them match
my latex color chip? And. if I use car enamel, might that not be too
brittle? Can they leave some of the hardeners out?
Thanks to Don E, I know a place which will mix up Randolph enamel, but they
want a huge price and I only need a couple of quarts.
Any thoughts??
Douwe
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: paint matching and auto enamel |
Douwe. I had the same problem. Latex on everything except the nose, and th
en I =0Aused auto enamel on the nose. It was a two part and it just did not
look right =0AToo shiney and I could not get a match. So then I did a good
sanding job and put =0Aa primer on that would hold the latex on and it loo
ks just fine. Everything =0Arolled or brushed of course. I have flown it a
couple of hours and heat does not =0Aseem to affect it. I was at sun n fun
when your wings were being taken apart and =0AI was wondering if they are b
ack together. I used Benjaman Mores latex house =0Apaint. How about my spel
ling? Cheers, Gardiner Mason=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpolgroup
=0ASent: Tue, November 2, 2010 6:19:24 PM=0AS
ubject: Pietenpol-List: paint matching and auto enamel=0A=0A =0AHey,=0A =0A
My new paintjob isn=99t going to involved lots of color, but rather t
he nose, =0Aturtle decking and edging of all tail surfaces and wings. I
=99m also going with a =0Arather unusual green, and thought that I
=99d simply get some latex mixed up, but =0Athen I need to find an easy way
to match some enamel for the cowling and metal =0Aparts.=0A =0ACan I go to
an auto parts store, or an auto paint shop and have them match my =0Alatex
color chip? And if I use car enamel, might that not be too britt
le? Can =0Athey leave some of the hardeners out?=0A =0AThanks to Don E, I
know a place which will mix up Randolph enamel, but they =0Awant a huge pr
ice and I only need a couple of quarts.=0A =0AAny thoughts??=0A =0ADouwe=0A
======= =0A
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| Subject: | Re: paint matching and auto enamel |
| From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
Douwe, most auto paint places will custom blend colors to match a sample that you
bring to them. If you are just painting the automotive paint onto aluminum
or steel, then no need to have them mix in any plasticizer into the paint. They
do have such flex additives that they mix in if painting on flexible surfaces
like plastic car bumpers and such, but it shouldn't be necessary for your
needs.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: paint matching and auto enamel |
The truth comes out about the paint latest paint job on N8031: it's
Sherwin Williams auto paint applied over the original latex. The owner
who painted it last had his neighbor add some floetrol to some remnant
paint he brought home. You saw it - it looks pretty good. Why not just
paint your whole plane with the automotive stuff?
Dan
On 11/02/2010 05:19 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> Hey,
>
> My new paintjob isnt going to involved lots of color, but rather the
> nose, turtle decking and edging of all tail surfaces and wings. Im also
> going with a rather unusual green, and thought that Id simply get some
> latex mixed up, but then I need to find an easy way to match some enamel
> for the cowling and metal parts.
>
> Can I go to an auto parts store, or an auto paint shop and have them
> match my latex color chip? And if I use car enamel, might that not be
> too brittle? Can they leave some of the hardeners out?
>
> Thanks to Don E, I know a place which will mix up Randolph enamel, but
> they want a huge price and I only need a couple of quarts.
>
> Any thoughts??
>
> Douwe
>
> *
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: paint matching and auto enamel |
We just made a 1ft by 1ft frame/test pannel, covered it and painted it to f
inal color and took that to carquest to get the enamal matched.=C2- We us
ed Dupont Centari enamal, and hasn't cracked or peeled.=C2- It seems to b
e very durable, 5-6 yrs now.=C2- We also used a self etching primer which
helps greatly with adheasion.
Shad
--- On Tue, 11/2/10, airlion wrote:
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: paint matching and auto enamel
Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 7:25 PM
Douwe. I had=C2- the same problem. Latex on everything except the nose, a
nd then I used auto enamel on the nose. It was a two part and it just did n
ot look right Too shiney and I could not get a match. So then I did a good
sanding job and put a primer on that would hold the latex on and it looks j
ust fine. Everything rolled or brushed of course. I have flown it a couple
of hours and heat does not seem to affect it. I was at sun n fun when your
wings were being taken apart and I was wondering if they are back together.
I used Benjaman Mores latex house paint. How about my spelling? Cheers, Ga
rdiner Mason
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 6:19:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: paint matching and auto enamel
Hey,
=C2-
My new paintjob isn=99t going to involved lots of color, but rather t
he nose, turtle decking and edging of all tail surfaces and wings.=C2- I
=99m also going with a rather unusual green, and thought that I
=99d simply get some latex mixed up, but then I need to find an easy way to
match some enamel for the cowling and metal parts.
=C2-
Can I go to an auto parts store, or an auto paint shop and have them match
my latex color chip?=C2- And if I use car enamel, might that not
be too brittle?=C2- Can they leave some of the hardeners out?
=C2-
Thanks to Don E, I know a place which will mix up Randolph enamel, but they
want a huge price and I only need a couple of quarts.
=C2-
Any thoughts??
=C2-
Douwehttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
_==
=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Affiliate]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | time to update your FAA aircraft registration |
Of possible interest to those of you who own FAA registered aircraft and ha
ve changed your home address since
you purchased the aircraft.
Mike C.
(I'm updating my information this morning via FAX to the FAA)
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_re
gistry/reregistration/
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Wow... I don't think I've seen many of these days in the years that I've been on
this list. Thursday, November 4 showed -zero- posts to the list, and this is
one of the most active of the Matronics lists (if not THE most active).
I'll be flying 41CC some more this weekend, Lord willing, and showing the new nose
art. My hangar-mate and I decided that the airplane should have a name to
go with its personality and after some head-scratching and tossing ideas around,
we now call 41CC "Scout". I had to have a new logo to go with it so I got
Denny Demeter at AvGrafix to make me some new vinyl graphics that I based on
the old Indian motorcycle logo. Here's the result. Not a great photo, but you
get the idea. The wheel covers are now painted red, too.
We'll be flying over to the Old Kingsbury Aerodrome open house and fly-in next
Saturday in the new livery.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Affiliate]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Oscar's Pietenpol logo by Dennis Demeter in Michigan |
Looks GREAT Oscar !
Love that logo on your Pietenpol and Denny Demeter is a GREAT RESOURCE for
producing some beautiful outdoor vinyl, high
quality logos, stripes, N-numbers, instrument markings, placards and such.
He's a pilot and Taylorcraft owner and was the gent who produced my fuselag
e logo, orange and white stripes
and N-number way back in 1997.
Dennis Demeter also produced Jack Phillips attractive fuselage logo depicti
ng Icarus Plummet.
http://avgrafix.com/
Dennis also made me this great logo for my Corby Starlet fin when I owned t
his one and the italicized N-numbers.
[cid:image004.jpg(at)01CB7CC9.E14187B0]
[cid:image003.jpg(at)01CB7CC9.DDBDB820]
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| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
It's only slow on the forums because hopefully, everyone like me is making sawdust.
I've been enjoying the cooler weather and actually making a little progress.
Happy Building!
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Tail almost done
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Axel: save you a spot? How, exactly, does one save an airplane-sized spot? You
think I carry a stack of orange traffic cones in the airplane with me? ;o)
Here's the discussion as the line person walks up to me.
Line person: "Hey, whatcha doin, buddy?"
Me: "I'm just reserving this spot."
Line person: "Reserving this spot? For what?"
Me: "Fat Girl."
Line person: "Hey, who you calling fat, anyway?"
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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No sawdust, but I have been sniffin' glue. OK, not that either since
T-88 doesn't really smell. Here's a quick shot of my completed ribs
(including the one I finished last night) hanging up in the rafters in
my basement storeroom.
Ken
On Nov 5, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Piet2112 wrote:
>
> It's only slow on the forums because hopefully, everyone like me is
making sawdust. I've been enjoying the cooler weather and actually
making a little progress.
>
> Happy Building!
>
> Curt Merdan
>
> Flower Mound, TX
> Tail almost done
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318314#318314
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_1571_110.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Oh, man... Ken, I don't know how to break this to you, but you've built all of
your ribs upside-down!
*
*
(I told you it's been slow on this list!)
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 11/5/2010 12:45:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
ken@cooper-mtn.com writes:
since T-88 doesn't really smell
That Part B of T-88 smells just like a Louisiana shrimp processing shed
CMC
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| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Yes the list is slow indeed. I just received notification that my capstrip was
shipped and soon I will be building ribs. But first it tis the season for Mrkringles
to start getting busy. After Christmas I will take my long winter nap
and then begin on my ribs.
--------
John
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| From: | mike Hardaway <bkemike(at)gmail.com> |
Ken,
Don't listen to these doom-sayers; those ribs are for aerobatic wings.
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:47 PM, taildrags wrote:
>
> Oh, man... Ken, I don't know how to break this to you, but you've built all
> of your ribs upside-down!
>
> *
>
> *
>
> (I told you it's been slow on this list!)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> Air Camper NX41CC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318336#318336
>
>
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Apparently we were all working on our planes,a good sign!
--------
Building a Piet
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Old Kingsbury Aerodrome fly-in |
Axel;
It's looking like the weather is going to be clear and
crisp for the event this coming Saturday. I probably won't
be there till noon Saturday and will stay for a few hours in
the afternoon. With daylight saving time ending, it will
be getting dark earlier so I'll probably fly home at about
3PM or so. Just want to stay long enough to see their
Sky Scout and see who else is there, plus of course enjoy
a nice x-c in my Scout.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
--- On Sat, 11/6/10, William E. Richardson wrote:
From: William E. Richardson <ainslierich(at)msn.com>
Subject: Dreams
"Richard Prone"
Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 3:47 PM
Subject: dreams
Flying the way it should be=C2-
=C2-www.oshkosh365.org/ok365_DiscussionBoardTopic.aspx?id=1235&boardid
=147&page=1&forumid=175&topicid=5661
=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
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| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
How about the kid with the stick welder and no eye protection!
--------
John
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Holy smokes... the reporter stated that he spent 12 million shillings on that heap...
that is just shy of $150k!! Could have had an RV-10.
She also stated the weight at 800kg... that is a 1760 pound single seater!
WOW!! Good luck fellas!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
After watching/listening again, I heard the reporter state, "twin seater"... but
still, the "engine specialist" and "pilot" has his work cut out for him.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
One of the guys in the EAA chapter here said he heard that Van's was giving the
guy an RV-12 complete kit. Might be the start of an urban myth....
You gotta give the Kenyan credit for persistence, if not for intelligence, judgment,
and engineering.
There's a 3 masted schooner here in Maine that's the sea-going (well sort of) version
of his airplane. For those of you who are wooden boat aficionados, check
out the vessel "Raw Faith". Pay particular attention to the Wooden Boat magazine
thread. I've seen her up close and the pictures don't do justice to reality.
It's far worse. Her primary construction timbers came from Home Depot
and things go downhill from there.
I do believe that both entrepreneurs are twin sons of different mothers.
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
One more correction... I thought she was saying "12-million shillings", but instead
she was saying "half a million". That is only $7500... a far cry from an
RV-12, or any other RV for that matter.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | wayne & Cathy Boniface <catway(at)sympatico.ca> |
I happened upon this little gem today sitting on the ramp at our local
airport and just had to share.
although it's not a piet,that canopy could be adapted I'm sure.It's a
modified Bakeng Duce that fly's
in the cool weather.
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Neat idea for wire organization in a hanger |
Just saw a neat solution to running wiring, hoses, and such around a space and
being able to change it. A building used for military headquarter excercises has
wire mesh trays that run around the walls of each room about 2 to 3 ft from
the tall ceilings and then trays that run out into the room. Each unit has different
needs and simply lays their computer and power cables in this system until
they get to where they want the end and drop it down. All wires are overhead
and out of the way. Easy to put in place and easy to take out.
Could be used in a hanger for different projects or different uses. Could be run
with computer, electricity, air hoses. Water hoses could also be run, but you
might not want it next to your electrical cables.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
I'm working on a 3D Cad model of a pietenpol - only because I need to pract
ice as I've just learned 3D. Once it's done=2C maybe it could be use to de
sign a canopy if there's interest. Or is that too far from Bernie's intent
ions. I say=2C what ever keeps you flying=2C he would say do it. His manu
als talk about this kind of imagination and innovation.
Tom B.
From: catway(at)sympatico.ca
Subject: Pietenpol-List:
Date: Mon=2C 8 Nov 2010 16:06:25 -0500
I happened upon this little gem today sitting on
the ramp at our local airport and just had to share.
although it's not a piet=2Cthat canopy could be
adapted I'm sure.It's a modified Bakeng Duce that fly's
in the cool
weather.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Tom
When you finish i would like to check it out.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Canopy
I'm working on a 3D Cad model of a pietenpol - only because I need to
practice as I've just learned 3D. Once it's done, maybe it could be use
to design a canopy if there's interest. Or is that too far from
Bernie's intentions. I say, what ever keeps you flying, he would say do
it. His manuals talk about this kind of imagination and innovation.
Tom B.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: catway(at)sympatico.ca
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List:
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 16:06:25 -0500
I happened upon this little gem today sitting on the ramp at our local
airport and just had to share.
although it's not a piet,that canopy could be adapted I'm sure.It's a
modified Bakeng Duce that fly's
in the cool weather.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jimd" <jlducey(at)hotmail.com> |
I bought my Okoume from Boulter as well. It looked okay the way it came, but once
I soaked it and made the leading edge wrap from it, then System3 clear coated
it, it looked awesome. Hated to cover the wings.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Jim%20D/pictures.htm
Stopped working on my biplane for a while, should be starting back soon (lost job,
got a divorce.. back working and still have the house and plane.. so life
is good.)
Jim D
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| From: | jboatri(at)emory.edu |
Sorry I missed you at Peachstate. My dad had a major heart attack
Friday afternoon, so I bombed out to Tulsa post haste. He's doing very
well now. We're working hard to make his home "safe" for him and I
should be back in ATL by the weekend.
J
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Jeff, I didn't make it either as it was too cold. I am flying to barnwell sc for
th e corvair college on thursday for the weekend. Why don't you fly down there
and see what corvairs are all about? There should be about 75 engines being
built wi th the help of Wm. Wynne. Sorry to hear about your dad. Cheers,
Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: "jboatri(at)emory.edu" <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 11:00:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams
Sorry I missed you at Peachstate. My dad had a major heart attack Friday
afternoon, so I bombed out to Tulsa post haste. He's doing very well now. We're
working hard to make his home "safe" for him and I should be back in ATL by the
weekend.
J
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Neat idea for wire organization in a hanger |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve; that stuff is cable tray. The simplest and cheapest is the so-called "shopping
cart" stuff... picture the wire mesh that shopping carts are made of and
that's what the tray looks like. You can always see what's in the tray that
way and it's easy to get a new cable or service into or out of it through the
holes. Also provides unlimited number of places to ty-rap other things onto
it.
You're right about the electrical, though... careful what you put in with it, and
how it's done. Unless your shop is in Kenya, that is ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318732#318732
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jboatri(at)emory.edu |
Hey Gardiner,
Thanks for the info. I went to a Corvair College several years ago. It
was a blast. I had a couple of engines nearly all of Wm Wynne's parts
and the manual, but my plans changed when I got a great deal on the
Pietenpol we're flying now. All the engine stuff went to a friend on
the field who plans to put it in a Jodel D11. That project is on hold
while he and his son develop their Reno racing program (all on a
shoestring).
Jeff
Quoting airlion :
>
> Jeff, I didn't make it either as it was too cold. I am flying to
> barnwell sc for
> th e corvair college on thursday for the weekend. Why don't you fly
> down there
> and see what corvairs are all about? There should be about 75 engines being
> built wi th the help of Wm. Wynne. Sorry to hear about your dad. Cheers,
> Gardiner
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "jboatri(at)emory.edu" <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 11:00:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams
>
>
> Sorry I missed you at Peachstate. My dad had a major heart attack Friday
> afternoon, so I bombed out to Tulsa post haste. He's doing very well
> now. We're
> working hard to make his home "safe" for him and I should be back in
> ATL by the
> weekend.
>
> J
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | NOTAMs for Monday around LA California? |
| From: | LWATCDR <lwatcdr(at)gmail.com> |
Did anyone seen any NOTAMS that might have covered that launch on
Monday off the California Coast?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Old Kingsbury Aerodrome fly-in |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Hmm.. interesting...I might drive down from Dallas(garland) as well, and snoop
around. Penzon if the dragon will cut me loose from the diva's extra ciriculative
activities this weekend. All I'm missing is a prop for my A65-8 GN-1. Might
give me a reason to axe around... maybe meet an a&p or two... or a pietenpoler
or two.
Ler (n2308c)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318756#318756
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
Hello everyone. New Air Camper builder here. I live in SE Kansas.
I have an old original 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. Also the 1932 and 1933 reprints
put out by EAA.
I had a nice conversation with Andrew Pietenpol yesterday and he lined me out on
what drawings I need to order. Money sent.
Originally I was thinking about building the Sky Scout, but logic set in and the
Air Camper is more practical for my intended use. The Scout is really nice looking
though. My intention is to build a basic no frills Air Camper modeled after
Allen Rudolphs's externally except I think I'll go with the 3 piece wings,
unless someone here wants to talk me out of it. :) I'll be using a built Model
A engine from H and H Antique.
I've been a welder for over 30 years and for me the welded steel fuselage looks
to be easier, much quicker to build and lighter in the end.
I would also like to build the vertical fin/rudder and horz stab/elevator out of
4130 tube steel. Andrew said he didn't have any info on this, but said many
have done so. His suggestion was to copy tube diameters and thicknesses from a
J3 Cub and the outline of the Air Camper tail as drawn in the plans. I can do
this, but I'd rather not if I can find someone who has done it before.
Does anyone here have a tube steel tail unit that can help me out? I don't really
want to reinvent the wheel here if I don't have to.
Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the fuselages that he builds
and many times two inches. I'm 6'3", 200 lbs and will probably add the two
inches he recommends.
Any down sided to this modification?
That's enough for now.
Thanks and best regards,
Craig
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318757#318757
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Jeff
Sorry to hear about your Dad, it kinda makes you stop and think about life.
Glad to see he is doing ok. Looking at a Piet Fly-in in Carrollton next
Spring but nothing in concrete yet.
Barry Davis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jboatri(at)emory.edu
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams
Hey Gardiner,
Thanks for the info. I went to a Corvair College several years ago. It was a
blast. I had a couple of engines nearly all of Wm Wynne's parts and the
manual, but my plans changed when I got a great deal on the Pietenpol we're
flying now. All the engine stuff went to a friend on the field who plans to
put it in a Jodel D11. That project is on hold while he and his son develop
their Reno racing program (all on a shoestring).
Jeff
Quoting airlion :
>
> Jeff, I didn't make it either as it was too cold. I am flying to
> barnwell sc for th e corvair college on thursday for the weekend. Why
> don't you fly down there and see what corvairs are all about? There
> should be about 75 engines being built wi th the help of Wm. Wynne.
> Sorry to hear about your dad. Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "jboatri(at)emory.edu" <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 11:00:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams
>
>
> Sorry I missed you at Peachstate. My dad had a major heart attack
> Friday afternoon, so I bombed out to Tulsa post haste. He's doing very
> well now. We're working hard to make his home "safe" for him and I
> should be back in ATL by the weekend.
>
> J
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
Hi Craig,
Congrats on getting started on your Piet project! This will be an incredibly unique
and rewarding journey....
I line in NE Oklahoma and there are a couple of Piets flying and under construction
in the area.
If you ever get down around McKinney TX, there's an uncovered steel fuse Piet down
there that might give you some ideas....it's based at Aero Country, west of
McKinney, north of Plano.
And if you get down near the Adair/Pryor area (where I live) or Tulsa, please let
us know so we can get together for a visit.
Jim Markle
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net>
>Sent: Nov 9, 2010 2:46 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise
>
>
>Hello everyone. New Air Camper builder here. I live in SE Kansas.
>
>I have an old original 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. Also the 1932 and 1933 reprints
put out by EAA.
>
>I had a nice conversation with Andrew Pietenpol yesterday and he lined me out
on what drawings I need to order. Money sent.
>
>Originally I was thinking about building the Sky Scout, but logic set in and the
Air Camper is more practical for my intended use. The Scout is really nice
looking though. My intention is to build a basic no frills Air Camper modeled
after Allen Rudolphs's externally except I think I'll go with the 3 piece wings,
unless someone here wants to talk me out of it. :) I'll be using a built Model
A engine from H and H Antique.
>
>I've been a welder for over 30 years and for me the welded steel fuselage looks
to be easier, much quicker to build and lighter in the end.
>
>I would also like to build the vertical fin/rudder and horz stab/elevator out
of 4130 tube steel. Andrew said he didn't have any info on this, but said many
have done so. His suggestion was to copy tube diameters and thicknesses from
a J3 Cub and the outline of the Air Camper tail as drawn in the plans. I can do
this, but I'd rather not if I can find someone who has done it before.
>
>Does anyone here have a tube steel tail unit that can help me out? I don't really
want to reinvent the wheel here if I don't have to.
>
>Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the fuselages that he
builds and many times two inches. I'm 6'3", 200 lbs and will probably add the
two inches he recommends.
>
>Any down sided to this modification?
>
>That's enough for now.
>
>Thanks and best regards,
>
>Craig
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318757#318757
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Barry, A Piet fly in next spring would be great, and if I can help in any way
please let me know. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Barry Davis <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 3:29:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams
Jeff
Sorry to hear about your Dad, it kinda makes you stop and think about life.
Glad to see he is doing ok. Looking at a Piet Fly-in in Carrollton next
Spring but nothing in concrete yet.
Barry Davis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jboatri(at)emory.edu
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams
Hey Gardiner,
Thanks for the info. I went to a Corvair College several years ago. It was a
blast. I had a couple of engines nearly all of Wm Wynne's parts and the
manual, but my plans changed when I got a great deal on the Pietenpol we're
flying now. All the engine stuff went to a friend on the field who plans to
put it in a Jodel D11. That project is on hold while he and his son develop
their Reno racing program (all on a shoestring).
Jeff
Quoting airlion :
>
> Jeff, I didn't make it either as it was too cold. I am flying to
> barnwell sc for th e corvair college on thursday for the weekend. Why
> don't you fly down there and see what corvairs are all about? There
> should be about 75 engines being built wi th the help of Wm. Wynne.
> Sorry to hear about your dad. Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "jboatri(at)emory.edu" <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 11:00:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams
>
>
> Sorry I missed you at Peachstate. My dad had a major heart attack
> Friday afternoon, so I bombed out to Tulsa post haste. He's doing very
> well now. We're working hard to make his home "safe" for him and I
> should be back in ATL by the weekend.
>
> J
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
You need to talk to Scott Liefeld ( Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org ). He has a steel
tube fuselage and if I remember correctly, steel tail feathers. He has stressed
them more than most so I would trust his design.
3 piece wing will be more builder friendly but take a little longer to build and
weighs just slightly more. I would build a 1 piece if I had the room. Looks
cool.
1 or 2 inches in the nose will not change the flight characteristics but help with
the weight and balance. Given your size you need to watch the weight and
balance. It's not a big deal as others your size fly them just fine. I would
suggest you might want to think about make the fuselage deeper so you fit inside
it a little better. I'm on the tall side of 6-1 and I would like to be lower
in the fuselage.
Chris
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318770#318770
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jboatri(at)emory.edu |
Barry,
Thanks for the kind words. I'm up for a Piet fly-in, let me know if I
can help!
Jeff
Quoting Barry Davis :
>
> Jeff
> Sorry to hear about your Dad, it kinda makes you stop and think about life.
> Glad to see he is doing ok. Looking at a Piet Fly-in in Carrollton next
> Spring but nothing in concrete yet.
> Barry Davis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jboatri(at)emory.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:10 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams
>
>
> Hey Gardiner,
>
> Thanks for the info. I went to a Corvair College several years ago. It was a
> blast. I had a couple of engines nearly all of Wm Wynne's parts and the
> manual, but my plans changed when I got a great deal on the Pietenpol we're
> flying now. All the engine stuff went to a friend on the field who plans to
> put it in a Jodel D11. That project is on hold while he and his son develop
> their Reno racing program (all on a shoestring).
>
> Jeff
>
> Quoting airlion :
>
>>
>> Jeff, I didn't make it either as it was too cold. I am flying to
>> barnwell sc for th e corvair college on thursday for the weekend. Why
>> don't you fly down there and see what corvairs are all about? There
>> should be about 75 engines being built wi th the help of Wm. Wynne.
>> Sorry to hear about your dad. Cheers, Gardiner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: "jboatri(at)emory.edu" <jboatri(at)emory.edu>
>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 11:00:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Dreams
>>
>>
>> Sorry I missed you at Peachstate. My dad had a major heart attack
>> Friday afternoon, so I bombed out to Tulsa post haste. He's doing very
>> well now. We're working hard to make his home "safe" for him and I
>> should be back in ATL by the weekend.
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Craig,
Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and Pietenpollers, great group
of people.
I'd have gone with a steel tube fuse in a heartbeat, saves some weight too.
My fuse was wood and I added 3.5" , weight and balance was perfect (Ford
also) I'd say with a steel fuse, two to three inches would be a very good
idea.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
Craig wrote:
>Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the
>fuselages that he builds and many times two inches.
A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanes
that will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines? My understanding
of the need to add some extension to the front is to get the engine
further out front when using air-cooled Continentals that don't
weigh as much as the Fords, but then again it depends on where the
inch or two goes relative to the wing cabane attach points. But with
a fair amount of front-seat time in my own Piet, I can say that a bit
more legroom in front would be welcome. I sure do like the look of
the simple, straightforward, and honest Rudolph Piet though.
And on the matter of steel tube tail feathers, another idea that you
might pursue is to see if Darrel Jones still has plans available for
the Pfeifer Sport. He was offering them on disc awhile back, and if
I remember correctly, the Sport has some similarity to the Piet but
has a tube steel fuselage and tail, so you might be able to re-shape
the Sport's tail surfaces to look like a Piet but still not have to
reinvent the wheel.
Darrel-? Still on the list? Still have Sport plans available?
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Hi Chris,
Craig emailed me and I have replied to him. I do have a steel tail and will be
trying to make him a copy of the plans for him next week. They have worked great
for me.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Broadhead in 1996
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
taildrags wrote:
> Craig wrote:
>
>
> > Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the
> > fuselages that he builds and many times two inches.
> >
> >
>
> A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanes
> that will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines?
We were discussing the Ford Model A motor and the 1-2" addon was to the longerons
in the first bay. He said his grandpa was 169ish and balance well for smaller
guys. The addon helps balance for us big-n-tall guys. Andrew said he then tweaks
the wing back a ways if need be.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318862#318862
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
AircamperN11MS wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Craig emailed me and I have replied to him. I do have a steel tail and will be
trying to make him a copy of the plans for him next week. They have worked
great for me.
Thanks again Scott. Everything is coming together very nicely. Thanks to everyone
who contacted me here and via email. Every little bit helps.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
Mr. Craig wrote:
>
> taildrags wrote:
> > Craig wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the
> > > fuselages that he builds and many times two inches.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > A good question for Andrew would be, does he do that for airplanes
> > that will be powered with Ford water-cooled engines?
>
>
> We were discussing the Ford Model A motor and the 1-2" addon was to the longerons
in the first bay. He said his grandpa was 160-ish and balance well for smaller
guys. The addon helps balance for us big-n-tall guys. Andrew said he then
tweaks the wing back a ways if need be.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318864#318864
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New Guy Looking for Info/Advise |
| From: | Michael Conkling <jmconkling(at)gmail.com> |
Hello Craig!
Where about in SE KS are you? I in south central KS -- about an hour west
of Wichita in Pretty Prairie -- not much for "show and tell" yet -- trying
to fix that now that life has quit intervening (for the time being!)
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Mr. Craig wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. New Air Camper builder here. I live in SE Kansas.
>
> I have an old original 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. Also the 1932 and
> 1933 reprints put out by EAA.
>
> I had a nice conversation with Andrew Pietenpol yesterday and he lined me
> out on what drawings I need to order. Money sent.
>
> Originally I was thinking about building the Sky Scout, but logic set in
> and the Air Camper is more practical for my intended use. The Scout is
> really nice looking though. My intention is to build a basic no frills Air
> Camper modeled after Allen Rudolphs's externally except I think I'll go with
> the 3 piece wings, unless someone here wants to talk me out of it. :) I'll
> be using a built Model A engine from H and H Antique.
>
> I've been a welder for over 30 years and for me the welded steel fuselage
> looks to be easier, much quicker to build and lighter in the end.
>
> I would also like to build the vertical fin/rudder and horz stab/elevator
> out of 4130 tube steel. Andrew said he didn't have any info on this, but
> said many have done so. His suggestion was to copy tube diameters and
> thicknesses from a J3 Cub and the outline of the Air Camper tail as drawn in
> the plans. I can do this, but I'd rather not if I can find someone who has
> done it before.
>
> Does anyone here have a tube steel tail unit that can help me out? I don't
> really want to reinvent the wheel here if I don't have to.
>
> Andrew also said he always adds an inch to the front of the fuselages that
> he builds and many times two inches. I'm 6'3", 200 lbs and will probably add
> the two inches he recommends.
>
> Any down sided to this modification?
>
> That's enough for now.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
>
> Craig
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318757#318757
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Metal Brackets & Fittings |
| From: | Ken Chambers <ken.riffic(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Tom
How are your kits coming along?
Have you set any prices?
Ken in Austin, slowly making metal fittings.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:29 PM, tkreiner wrote:
>
> Earlier this year, I polled a number of local Pietenpol builders about
> whether they would have fabricated their own metal brackets & fittings, or
> purchased them if they had been available. Based on the information
> gathered, we've gone ahead and made a series of metal kits specifically for
> the Piet.
>
> The kits are substantially complete, and I'm bringing a very large sample
> set with me to Brodhead. While the samples were made to prints and spec's,
> they are not made from 4130, and may not be used in aircraft. That said,
> the 4130 alloy kits will be available in the August timeframe.
>
> Because I value the great comments from this forum, I'd appreciate it if
> any and all of you would stop by to spend a few minutes with me, give me
> your feedback, and let me know what you think.
>
> The completed kits are:
>
> 1. Empennage
> 2. Jenny Landing Gear
> 3. One Piece Wing kit
> 4. Center Wing Section of Three Piece Wing
> 5. LH or RH Wing Kit.
>
> In addition to the above, we're putting together an engine mount kit, and a
> controls kit. In the controls kit, there will be dual stick & rudder, along
> with the bellcrank behind the pilot's seat.
>
> With a few exceptions, all of the parts in the various kits will have all
> holes pre-drilled, and will be pre-bent. In several cases - those spelled
> out in the plans - the parts will be drilled or bent during assembly.
>
> Pricing is being developed as I write this, but suffice it to say, the cost
> to you isn't the principal benefit... According to the guys we polled, you
> might find yourself in the air one to two years earlier.
>
> I'm personally looking forward to seeing each of you I've met, and those
> who've added so many great comments during the past year.
>
> --------
> Tom Kreiner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=305622#305622
>
>
--
Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
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| Subject: | Re: welcome Craig |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
douweblumberg(at)earthlin wrote:
> Hey Craig,
>
> Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and Pietenpollers, great group of
people.
>
> Id have gone with a steel tube fuse in a heartbeat, saves some weight too. My
fuse was wood and I added 3.5 , weight and balance was perfect (Ford also)
Id say with a steel fuse, two to three inches would be a very good idea.
>
> Douwe
Hi Douwe
Thanks for the warm welcome. Looking forward to chatting with you about that Ford
motor.
Craig
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Enjoy
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| Subject: | Does life get any better? |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Well the wife is away and the kids are in bed and after 3 or was it 6 glasses of
wine I just built the other Elevator. Does life get any better?
Thanks to everyone on here who has lent a helping hand or given some advice.
God archive this if ya want! [Laughing]
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I saw a Model A school bus being restored yesterday in Amarillo and the engine
had a Miller Hi-speed head on it. I was wondering if anybody tried such a thing
on their airplane. I expect it is too much extra weight. the thought of bolting
such a big hunk of iron on the nose of a plane and it flying still amazes
me. as does the thought that mr. Pietenpol did so much with so little. anyway
it was an interesting piece of history.
also saw a re-built Ford truck with 2 flathead V-8's in it that was specially built
from the factory to haul sections of new B-24's to plants around the US
for assembly including to Tulsa to where my Mom was inspecting parts of them.what
amazing things they developed in such a short time.just another small portion
of the great effort the country came together for during WW-2. Raymond do
not archive
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| From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
| Subject: | Happy Veteran's Day |
...to all you vets. Thanks for your service!
I wasn't in the military but my Marine son arrived in Kandahar this past week for
a 7-tour.
God Bless our military!
John F.
Richmond, TX
GN-1 / Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Veteran's Day |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I served in the Navy back in the 70's. Was an AT (avionics technician) and a flight
deck trouble shooter for a squadron attached to USS Enterprise. When it
was time for me to get out the Captain offered me a tour of duty with the Blue
Angels. I declined and went home. I still kick myself in the pants for not
accepting that opportunity. But things went pretty well for as they are and
now I'm building a pietenpol. Life is good.
--------
John
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| Subject: | Re: Happy Veteran's Day |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Airborne... All The Way!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Happy Veteran's Day |
I too was in the Navy as an Avionics Technician. I worked on board the USS GUAM
during Operation desert Shield, Desert Storm and Operation Eastern Exit. I SALUTE
all those whom have served and whom continue to do so!
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| Subject: | Avionics package |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
made some ebay purchases.... scored an altimeter from the 40's
and a tach and an airspeed indicator that were supposed to be for a tiger moth...
new in boxes.. the airspeed indicator has a 1931 manufacture date.. they look
really groovy
18 ribs done since nov 1st
picked up wood for the longerons today and tore down the A engine..
makin sawdust in louisville
Jeff
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | 2 piets at breakfast this morning |
Hello guys, I went and flew over to Mt Victory for breakfast today (35 degr
ees, and 43 miles) and while finishing my coffee, a guy came up to the tabl
e and asked who was driving the piet.- It was Mr Emo from New Carlisle, a
nd he was out flying his dads old piet.- It seemed strange that 2 piets w
ould meet up in the middle of November, in Ohio, And in the middle of nowhe
re.- It was a beutiful morning for flying, smooth as glass, a little grou
nd fog, and plenty of sunshine.- See the attatche pics.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
The 1932 Glider Manual shows the fuselage on the Air Camper as being 13' 5" long.
When the sides are built flat and then bowed from front to rear, the fuselage
will become shorter. How much longer does the upper and lower longerons need
to be in order for the overall length to be correct after the sides are bent
in?
Thanks Craig
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Craig,
I remember that part of my project with fondness at the anticipation someday
just being able to sit in my fuselage, but you are over thinking it. Just
cut to length and bend them together. Mr. Pietenpol has already taken that
in to account...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Craig
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 8:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Sides
The 1932 Glider Manual shows the fuselage on the Air Camper as being 13' 5"
long. When the sides are built flat and then bowed from front to rear, the
fuselage will become shorter. How much longer does the upper and lower
longerons need to be in order for the overall length to be correct after the
sides are bent in?
Thanks Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Sides |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Craig,
>
> I remember that part of my project with fondness at the anticipation someday
just being able to sit in my fuselage, but you are over thinking it. Just cut
to length and bend them together. Mr. Pietenpol has already taken that in to account...
>
> Gary Boothe
Hi Gary
Not over thinking. Common drafting practice it to show the side view of an object
in it's assembled form. The 1932 Air Camper drawings are in this fasion. They
are not showing the fuselage side as a flat pattern. The dimensions shown are
from face of firewall to back of stern post with both sides in their arched
position. In order to get this dimension correct, the sides will need to be around
1" longer. If we build the sides 13' 5" flat and then bend them in the distance
from firewall to stern post will be around 13' 4". Not a big deal, but
the plans show 13' 5".
Craig
>From your reply, everyone must just build the sides 13' 5" and call it close enough?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Sides |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
Mr. Craig wrote:
>
> gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> > Craig,
> >
> > I remember that part of my project with fondness at the anticipation someday
just being able to sit in my fuselage, but you are over thinking it. Just cut
to length and bend them together. Mr. Pietenpol has already taken that in to
account...
> >
> > Gary Boothe
>
>
> Hi Gary
>
> Not over thinking. Common drafting practice it to show the side view of an object
in it's assembled form. The 1932 Air Camper drawings are in this fasion.
They are not showing the fuselage side as a flat pattern. The dimensions shown
are from face of firewall to back of stern post with both sides in their arched
position. In order to get this dimension correct, the sides will need to be
around 1" longer. If we build the sides 13' 5" flat and then bend them in the
distance from firewall to stern post will be around 13' 4". Not a big deal, but
the plans show 13' 5".
>
> From your reply, everyone must just build the sides 13' 5" and call it close
enough?
>
> Craig
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| Subject: | Big and Tall Steel Fuselage |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
While waiting on my plans to get here, I can't keep from thinking about this build.
Putting everything together from Chris/Catdesigns' thoughts on making fuselage
deeper and Andrew Pietenpol's suggestion to make fuselage 2" longer in the
front and others emailing me saying 3" would be even better, I threw together
this little sketch.
I tried to keep basic lines the same so the alteration wouldn't be drastically
noticeable.
What do you guys think?
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| Subject: | Re: Does life get any better? |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Tim...checked it out this morning and its even straight!
All fingers and thumbs accounted for!
Scotty [Laughing]
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics package |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Jeff,
Pictures please? I love this stuff.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 3:25 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Avionics package
>
made some ebay purchases.... scored an altimeter from the 40's
nd a tach and an airspeed indicator that were supposed to be for a tiger
oth... new in boxes.. the airspeed indicator has a 1931 manufacture date..
they
ook really groovy
8 ribs done since nov 1st
icked up wood for the longerons today and tore down the A engine..
makin sawdust in louisville
eff
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Sides |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Howdy,When I built my sides,I went with the 13'5" and after they were put together
the fuselage was 13'4 3/8". So 5/8" short.dave
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| Subject: | Re: Big and Tall Steel Fuselage |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
If you are big and tall,I'd think about making the rear cockpit longer,like the
long fuselage drawings or a bit more.I'm 5-9 built the long fuselage and there
isn't much room for my skinny self.dave
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics package |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
yup.... it reads in tens of knots... from 20 to 120 on the outer scale then up
to 195 on the inner scale as it goes around again..i can't believe these are NOS..
the boxes are even cool
jeff
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Fellow workers in the field of Piet:
I am having trouble finding a source that carries 5/16" steel as required
for two small parts of the split landing gear. Everybody has 1/8" or 1/4"
or 1/2" but no 5/16" so this must be a communist plot of some kind.
Anyway, to the question. Is it at all acceptable to edge weld smaller
stock into a piece of the required thickness? The final piece would be 1"
x 2" x 5/16" and there would be a single bolt hole in one end. The part
gets welded to the axle.
All you metal workers out there, please chime in.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
McPherson, KS.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal question |
I do not have the plans with me to look at, so I do not know where on the gear
these parts go, nor what stresses they will subject to, however I would bet that
edge welding said parts would be OK. Some of the wing strut/landing gear fittings
for the wood gear have some edge welding done to them.
If you can find larger steel stock, I could machine these two parts for you. Email
me off list if interested.
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| Subject: | Re: Metal question |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Tom,
Did you call Dillsburg Aero?
Ryan
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:59 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> *Fellow workers in the field of Piet:*
> **
> *I am having trouble finding a source that carries 5/16" steel as required
> for two small parts of the split landing gear. Everybody has 1/8" or 1/4"
> or 1/2" but no 5/16" so this must be a communist plot of some kind. Anyway,
> to the question. Is it at all acceptable to edge weld smaller stock into a
> piece of the required thickness? The final piece would be 1" x 2" x 5/16"
> and there would be a single bolt hole in one end. The part gets welded to
> the axle.*
> **
> *All you metal workers out there, please chime in.*
> **
> *Tom Stinemetze*
> *N328X*
> *McPherson, KS.*
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | airworthiness aplication |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I am in the middle of filling out my form 8130-6 and have some questions I could
sure use help with. if anyone has been through this recently and has time for
a phone call I would sure appreciate you e-mailing me with your phone number.
Raymond. my address is skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Metal question |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
Wilco in Wichita, KS is supposed to be getting some in. They have good prices on
4130 steel.
http://www.wilcoaircraftparts.com/4130-steel.htm
The Yard, also in Wichita may have smaller pieces.
http://www.yardstore.com/about.htm
or
http://www.benemiller.com/aircraft_alloy.htm
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal question |
Great sources Mr. Mr. Craig. And close to home as well.
Stinemetze
>>> "Mr. Craig" 11/12/2010 12:45 PM >>>
Wilco in Wichita, KS is supposed to be getting some in. They have good
prices on 4130 steel.
http://www.wilcoaircraftparts.com/4130-steel.htm
The Yard, also in Wichita may have smaller pieces.
http://www.yardstore.com/about.htm
or
http://www.benemiller.com/aircraft_alloy.htm
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal question |
Ryan:
I forgot about Dillsburg. Thanks!
Tom
>>> Ryan Mueller 11/12/2010 12:27 PM >>>
Hi Tom,
Did you call Dillsburg Aero?
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics package |
| From: | "JohnC" <jcalvert(at)trinityvideo.net> |
HeyJeff,
that's pretty cool. What kind of wood did you pick up, and where did you get it.
Thanks!
John in Louisville
--------
I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't poke
him in the eye on accident.
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| Subject: | Re: Metal question |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Tom,
As a rule, edge welding two smaller thicknesses to obtain one thicker finished
piece does not equal the strength of a solid piece. The only place the two pieces
are joined is at the outside edges, so, in bending, the resulting piece is
weaker than a solid piece. This would be like making a sheet of plywood, but
only gluing the layers together at the outside edges, with no glue in the middle.
Now, if the part will ONLY be loaded in tension (no bending forces), then the two-piece
part will be able to carry basically the same load as the solid piece.
The piece that you are referring to (see attached images) will be primarily loaded
in tension, so you might be all right with two thinner pieces edge-welded
together. But a better solution would be to use a solid piece. The title block
of Drawing No. 3 calls for 1020 steel, not 4130. So, if you can't find a piece
of 5/16" steel locally, I'm sure you could find a piece of 3/8" thick steel.
That would provide 20% more strength, and only add one ounce to the total weight
of your plane. Alternately, if you can get your hands on a bit of 1/4" thick
4130, that would also work, since that would be stronger than 5/16" thick 1020
steel.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics package |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I got a 15 foot 5/4 by 6 poplar board from boland malhony... and a poplar 1 by
6.. cut them up today
Also got another western red cedar board to finish my ribs... i get the cedar in
6' 5/4 by 4 and crazy straight tight grain..like 25 rings per inch...it's pretty
wood
got an old Wico model c 1128 magneto in the mail today too...
cleaned it up, gapped the points and it throws a huge spark
it's CCW rotation and has an adjustable impulse coupling
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Sides |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Craig,
If you build the sides flat, using the dimensions on the plans, you will find that
when you join the sides, and bow them together to meet at the tail, that the
overall length will become shorter by "just the right amount". :D
While it is normal drafting practice to draw an assembly in its assembled state,
and it does appear that the FGM plans do show that, I feel pretty safe in assuming
that anyone that has built a plane from those plans built their fuselage
sides using the side view as though it was a flat plan. The Pietenpol is built
just like a giant model airplane. If you've ever built a stick and tissue
model airplane, you will know that you build the fuselage sides flat on top of
the plans, and then when you join the sides, your main concern is that the two
sides are the same length (whatever that length is), and that they both flex
equally (symmetrical).
I just checked the "improved" Air Camper plans, and the overall length on the view
labeled "layout for side of fuselage" actually is 1/2" longer than the overall
length of the finished fuselage. I have built my fuselage basic structure,
and joined the sides. But I have not measured the overall finished length.
I also do not plan to measure the overall finished length. It doesn't really matter
that much. Plus or minus half an inch will not matter on the overall length
of the fuselage. Making sure that the fuselage is symmetrical does matter.
In short, trying to compensate for the shortening effect is WAAAAY more work than
it's worth. How would you decide where to add the extra length?
Bill C.
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal question |
Bill:
Precise and to the point. EXACTLY what I needed to hear. It also
occurred to me that multiple pieces of metal welded together on their
edges still leaves internal spaces which could corrode from the inside out
with no visible sign. I'm going to find some solid metal somewhere. By
the way, that is exactly the part that I am concerned with. There will be
both tension and compression loads but there should be no bending forces
unless one of the gear legs lets go. (Which I have heard can happen to
certain nefarious persons named Axel.)
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "Bill Church" 11/12/2010 3:49 PM >>>
Tom,
As a rule, edge welding two smaller thicknesses to obtain one thicker
finished piece does not equal the strength of a solid piece. The only
place the two pieces are joined is at the outside edges, so, in bending,
the resulting piece is weaker than a solid piece. This would be like
making a sheet of plywood, but only gluing the layers together at the
outside edges, with no glue in the middle.
Now, if the part will ONLY be loaded in tension (no bending forces), then
the two-piece part will be able to carry basically the same load as the
solid piece.
The piece that you are referring to (see attached images) will be
primarily loaded in tension, so you might be all right with two thinner
pieces edge-welded together. But a better solution would be to use a solid
piece. The title block of Drawing No. 3 calls for 1020 steel, not 4130.
So, if you can't find a piece of 5/16" steel locally, I'm sure you could
find a piece of 3/8" thick steel. That would provide 20% more strength,
and only add one ounce to the total weight of your plane. Alternately, if
you can get your hands on a bit of 1/4" thick 4130, that would also work,
since that would be stronger than 5/16" thick 1020 steel.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: airworthiness aplication |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I got my reply- thanks Ben you were very helpful. maybe I can help you some time.
Raymond
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| From: | "Dave Abramson" <davea(at)symbolicdisplays.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal question |
HOW ABOUT IF YOU BRAZED THEM TOGETHER???
IT WOULD WICK IN BETWEEN THE 2 PIECES.
WOULD BE DAMN STRONG!!!
JUST A THOUGHT.....
3 YEAR PIET BUILDER
DAVE
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 2:30 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal question
Bill:
Precise and to the point. EXACTLY what I needed to hear. It also
occurred to me that multiple pieces of metal welded together on their edges
still leaves internal spaces which could corrode from the inside out with no
visible sign. I'm going to find some solid metal somewhere. By the way,
that is exactly the part that I am concerned with. There will be both
tension and compression loads but there should be no bending forces unless
one of the gear legs lets go. (Which I have heard can happen to certain
nefarious persons named Axel.)
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "Bill Church" 11/12/2010 3:49 PM >>>
Tom,
As a rule, edge welding two smaller thicknesses to obtain one thicker
finished piece does not equal the strength of a solid piece. The only place
the two pieces are joined is at the outside edges, so, in bending, the
resulting piece is weaker than a solid piece. This would be like making a
sheet of plywood, but only gluing the layers together at the outside edges,
with no glue in the middle.
Now, if the part will ONLY be loaded in tension (no bending forces), then
the two-piece part will be able to carry basically the same load as the
solid piece.
The piece that you are referring to (see attached images) will be
primarily loaded in tension, so you might be all right with two thinner
pieces edge-welded together. But a better solution would be to use a solid
piece. The title block of Drawing No. 3 calls for 1020 steel, not 4130. So,
if you can't find a piece of 5/16" steel locally, I'm sure you could find a
piece of 3/8" thick steel. That would provide 20% more strength, and only
add one ounce to the total weight of your plane. Alternately, if you can get
your hands on a bit of 1/4" thick 4130, that would also work, since that
would be stronger than 5/16" thick 1020 steel.
Bill C.
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal question |
Tom,
I don't mean to sound argumentative, and you undoubtedly know more about
welding than I, but, if you are adverse to sandwiching two pieces of metal
by edge welding, how would you address the gear-wing strut fittings?
Spar-cabane fittings?
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 2:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal question
Bill:
Precise and to the point. EXACTLY what I needed to hear. It also occurred
to me that multiple pieces of metal welded together on their edges still
leaves internal spaces which could corrode from the inside out with no
visible sign. I'm going to find some solid metal somewhere. By the way,
that is exactly the part that I am concerned with. There will be both
tension and compression loads but there should be no bending forces unless
one of the gear legs lets go. (Which I have heard can happen to certain
nefarious persons named Axel.)
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "Bill Church" 11/12/2010 3:49 PM >>>
Tom,
As a rule, edge welding two smaller thicknesses to obtain one thicker
finished piece does not equal the strength of a solid piece. The only place
the two pieces are joined is at the outside edges, so, in bending, the
resulting piece is weaker than a solid piece. This would be like making a
sheet of plywood, but only gluing the layers together at the outside edges,
with no glue in the middle.
Now, if the part will ONLY be loaded in tension (no bending forces), then
the two-piece part will be able to carry basically the same load as the
solid piece.
The piece that you are referring to (see attached images) will be primarily
loaded in tension, so you might be all right with two thinner pieces
edge-welded together. But a better solution would be to use a solid piece.
The title block of Drawing No. 3 calls for 1020 steel, not 4130. So, if you
can't find a piece of 5/16" steel locally, I'm sure you could find a piece
of 3/8" thick steel. That would provide 20% more strength, and only add one
ounce to the total weight of your plane. Alternately, if you can get your
hands on a bit of 1/4" thick 4130, that would also work, since that would be
stronger than 5/16" thick 1020 steel.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | metal prop re-pitching |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Anyone know a good prop shop that'll repitch a metal prop. I am in Dallas area
and googled and made some calls, but no joy. I'd like to know if I can get one
repitched(and price)before I plunk down some $$ on one. It doesn't have to be
near dallas..Thanks in advance.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Big and Tall Steel Fuselage |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Built the long fuselage per the plans. Didn't fret about dimensions beyond what
was listed on the drawings. Glued it together and it appears to fly just fine.
I'm 6' and 190 pounds. Flew it, with all my gear, by myself, from Austin,
TX to Brodhead/Oshkosh this past summer.
for what it's worth
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Sides |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
Bill Church wrote:
> I just checked the "improved" Air Camper plans, and the overall length on the
view labeled "layout for side of fuselage" actually is 1/2" longer than the
overall length of the finished fuselage.
>
> .........
>
> How would you decide where to add the extra length?
>
> Bill C.
Hi Bill
I really just wanted to know how you wood fuselage guys built yours. As you say
1/2" one way or another isn't a big deal. Square and symmetrical are what is
important.
but, adding a 1/2 or 3/4 or 1" really isn't that hard. :)
You asked where to add it and you state the "improved" plans shows it. Obviously
you would add it where the designer intended. :)
I'm building a steel fuselage. The preferred method is to build a top and bottom,
not two sides like you wood guys do. With this method the fuselage will be
the correct overall length. The top is flat, so it is rather straight forward
to layout. The bottom is curved and one MUST allow for this with lengthened bottom
longerons.
Ref: Construction of Tubular Steel Fuselages by Vex Aviation
http://www.actechbooks.com/products/act134/
Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Big and Tall Steel Fuselage |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
kevinpurtee wrote:
> Built the long fuselage per the plans. Didn't fret about dimensions beyond what
was listed on the drawings. Glued it together and it appears to fly just
fine. I'm 6' and 190 pounds. Flew it, with all my gear, by myself, from Austin,
TX to Brodhead/Oshkosh this past summer.
>
> for what it's worth
Thanks for the info Kevin. I'm going with the Model A Ford motor and original size
fuselage (possibly modified). From what Andrew Pietenpol told me, the long
fuselage/Corvair powered Air Camper is a different beast.
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| From: | "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: metal prop re-pitching |
Sensenich propeller lancaster pa. They.do everything on metal props here in
lancaster
John
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From: TriScout <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 01:19:31 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: metal prop re-pitching
Anyone know a good prop shop that'll repitch a metal prop. I am in Dallas
area and googled and made some calls, but no joy. I'd like to know if I can
get one repitched(and price)before I plunk down some $$ on one. It doesn't
have to be near dallas..Thanks in advance.
Larry
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| From: | "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal question |
Why not use 300 grade stainless ?
John
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From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Fri, Nov 12, 2010 23:45:07 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal question
Tom,
I don't mean to sound argumentative, and you undoubtedly know more about
welding than I, but, if you are adverse to sandwiching two pieces of metal
by edge welding, how would you address the gear-wing strut fittings?
Spar-cabane fittings?
Gary Boothe
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM
STINEMETZE
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 2:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal question
Bill:
Precise and to the point. EXACTLY what I needed to hear. It also occurred
to me that multiple pieces of metal welded together on their edges still
leaves internal spaces which could corrode from the inside out with no
visible sign. I'm going to find some solid metal somewhere. By the way,
that is exactly the part that I am concerned with. There will be both
tension and compression loads but there should be no bending forces unless
one of the gear legs lets go. (Which I have heard can happen to certain
nefarious persons named Axel.)
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "Bill Church" 11/12/2010 3:49 PM >>>
Tom,
As a rule, edge welding two smaller thicknesses to obtain one thicker
finished piece does not equal the strength of a solid piece. The only place
the two pieces are joined is at the outside edges, so, in bending, the
resulting piece is weaker than a solid piece. This would be like making a
sheet of plywood, but only gluin
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| From: | "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal question |
Over thinking the build is highly over rated and unproductive.
John
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From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Sent: Fri, Nov 12, 2010 21:51:55 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal question
Tom,
As a rule, edge welding two smaller thicknesses to obtain one thicker
finished piece does not equal the strength of a solid piece. The only place
the two pieces are joined is at the outside edges, so, in bending, the
resulting piece is weaker than a solid piece. This would be like making a
sheet of plywood, but only gluing the layers together at the outside edges,
with no glue in the middle.
Now, if the part will ONLY be loaded in tension (no bending forces), then
the two-piece part will be able to carry basically the same load as the
solid piece.
The piece that you are referring to (see attached images) will be primarily
loaded in tension, so you might be all right with two thinner pieces
edge-welded together. But a better solution would be to use a solid piece.
The title block of Drawing No. 3 calls for 1020 steel, not 4130. So, if you
can't find a piece of 5/16" steel locally, I'm sure you could find a piece
of 3/8" thick steel. That would provide 20% more strength, and only add one
ounce to the total weight of your plane. Alternately, if you can get your
hands on a bit of 1/4" thick 4130, that would also work, since that would be
stronger than 5/16" thick 1020 steel.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Metal question |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Tom,
If you don't need 4130 for the tabs and can use 1018 which is what I think BP used you might try Speedy Metals http://www.speedymetals.com/c-8213-1018.aspx?pagenum=4.
I have ordered from them and got good service fir special shapes in small quantities.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: metal prop re-pitching |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Larry,These guys are great.I have used them for prop work over the last 25 years and they are reasonable.Tri County Propellers,Erie Colorado. www.rockyprop.com dave
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Building a Piet
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| Subject: | Re: metal prop re-pitching |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Excellent. Thanks for the leads.
Larry
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| Subject: | Ispection before covering tail feathers? |
| From: | "robisons" <robisons(at)mattoonillinois.org> |
Do I need someone to check my welds on my GN-1 tail feathers before covering them?
I'm confident that my welds are good. Does the FAA inspector care? Do I
need a tech counselor to sign the log? When should I call the tech counselor?
My problem is that there is no one near that is familiar with welding. Everything
is powder coated in gry and ready to go. Thoughts, comments...
Thanks,
Scott Robison
Central Illinois
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SR78
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ispection before covering tail feathers? |
The FAA inspector won't care. Having a tech counselor look at your
project before covering would be a good idea, just to have another set
of eyes look at your fasteners, cable runs, pulleys, etc, and the FAA
inspector would like to see evidence of that visit in your logbooks. I
had one tech counselor visit only and that was early in the project.
Inspecting welds at your stage would be next to impossible. The way the
rules for your airworthiness certificate are laid out, Phase One of
flight testing is to prove that you have built an airworthy airplane,
when its only your butt on board. I'm sure you can find a tech
counselor in your area that would be glad to take a peek. Good luck
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
First cross country with the wife today
59 hrs TT since Feb
On 11/13/2010 12:19 PM, robisons wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "robisons"
>
> Do I need someone to check my welds on my GN-1 tail feathers before covering
them? I'm confident that my welds are good. Does the FAA inspector care? Do
I need a tech counselor to sign the log? When should I call the tech counselor?
My problem is that there is no one near that is familiar with welding. Everything
is powder coated in gry and ready to go. Thoughts, comments...
>
> Thanks,
> Scott Robison
> Central Illinois
>
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> SR78
>
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| Subject: | Re: Avionics package |
| From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
LOVE that airspeed indicator!
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| Subject: | Re: Ispection before covering tail feathers? |
| From: | "robisons" <robisons(at)mattoonillinois.org> |
Thanks so much,
Scott
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SR78
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Old Kingsbury fly-in |
Boy, did I have an extraordinary experience today. My
hangar-mate Craig Wall and I flew out to Old Kingsbury
for the open house and fly-in. It was a gorgeous day
to be flying, if a bit chilly, and we had a great time
getting there. Then on arrival, we found a huge, wide
grass landing area (more than just a runway... it is VERY
wide). Taxied up to find Kevin Purtee already there and
comfortable, and we had a nice time making introductions
and looking at the airplanes. Scout looks like a 7/8 scale
model of Fat Bottomed Girl... Kevin's plane sits higher,
looks longer, the cockpits look cavernouos compared to
Scout's, and that long, straight one-piece wing-! It's
a beautiful Air Camper.
So we spent a couple of hours looking at neat old machines
and meeting some nice people, bu that wasn't the high point.
We taxied out well ahead of Kevin and took off to the west,
climbed to cruise altitude, and got settled in on our
first leg over to New Braunfels municipal airport. We
were enjoying the view when all of a sudden I noticed a
movement and there was Fat Bottomed Girl, forming
up on our right wing! That chubby girl is FAST! Kevin
had taken off and climbed out well behind us, then zoomed
up to join. The sun was absolutely perfect for that
view of his plane (he was looking almost directly into
the sun), the color of his plane against the farms and
fields and the beautiful blue sky- it's too bad I didn't
think to take a picture. No, I sat there and ack-ack'ed
some fake .30 cal machine gun fire at him instead ;o)
Thanks for a very nice afternoon, and a pretty airplane,
Axel. Ya done good!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Vergil Chapman's Steel Fuselage Piet |
| From: | "Mr. Craig" <acwelder(at)cableone.net> |
Ref: http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Vergil%20Chapman/
Anyone here have contact info for Vergil? Anyone know the status of his build?
One post in the archives mentions he is in Lee Summit, MO, which is less than
2 hours from me. :)
Photos are from Sept 2006
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Vergil%20Chapman/vpiet14.jpg
Thanks Craig
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Avionics package |
Your welcome Mr Jim.
Clif
>
> Wow, those pictures are inspiring! And now I know how to do my fuel
> shutoff!!!
>
> Thanks Clif.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jorge wrote [translated]-
>I have a fuselage size about 13-5"... but some guys
>talk about longer version. What size is short and longer????
>thanks for all your help and support
The original 1932 Flying & Glider Manual plans, both the wood
fuselage and the steel tube fuselage, show 13'-5" from firewall
to tailpost. The dimension from the firewall to the intersection
of the first vertical and the bottom longeron is 8-1/2".
The 1933 "Improved" plans (which are the plans that I have, and
most builders have), show an overall length of 13'-7" and the
dimension from the firewall to the intersection of the first
vertical and the bottom longeron is 10".
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Fellow Pieter's:
-
I am seeking photos to see how the bottom access panel is attached and loca
ted. I am contemplating an entire wood bottom and wondered if any photos of
designs are available to see how access is provided to the underside of th
e fuse.
-
KMH
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | Re: Old Kingsbury fly-in |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Thanks for the kind thoughts, Oscar. It was a pleasure to meet you in person.
I've thoroughly enjoyed every in-person meeting I've had with an internet friend.
It's doubly delightful when we can get the planes together. Scout is as
cute as they come.
I had two friends take about 80 pictures of Oscar/Kevin/Scout/Fat Girl (Oscar was
very, very patient during that process). I'll post a couple when I get them.
Old Kingsbury is a great airfield. My favorite plane is their DR-1, though it
was apart for maintenance. Lots of other intact great planes. They flew the
Jenny. All in all a wonderful, beautiful day. It's why we do this stuff.
I did in fact catch Oscar on the climbout, but I was pulling the guts out of The
Girl to do it! And what did I get for all that fuel burn??? Shot at!
Matt got several air-to-air of you, Oscar.
For the record: Oscar made a solemn oath that he's attending Brodhead next year.
I heard him:).
I love this stuff.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Old Kingsbury Photo Trial |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hopefully the picture won't be too big.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Old Kingsbury Photo Trial |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Ok. Here are a couple more.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Old Kingsbury Photo Trial |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Kevin and Oscar know what fun flying is all about. I am so envious. My Piet is
still a few months away from flying....hope it flies in the spring. Largest task
left is covering and paint. I went to(drove) a small grass roots fly-in Saturday.
There were 5 Cessna 140's based on the field and 2 visiting!
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Sides2 |
tanks oscar all way you help, these mesurement is I have a short one but I
enjoy all way to finished ,you also cand talmy what is the normal overage h
rs for build the piet.- tanks for you help jorge from hanford
--- On Sun, 11/14/10, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Sides2
Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 8:48 AM
Jorge wrote [translated]-
>I have a fuselage size about 13-5"... but some guys
>talk about longer version. What size is short and longer????
>thanks for all your help and support
The original 1932 Flying & Glider Manual plans, both the wood
fuselage and the steel tube fuselage, show 13'-5" from firewall
to tailpost.- The dimension from the firewall to the intersection
of the first vertical and the bottom longeron is 8-1/2".
The 1933 "Improved" plans (which are the plans that I have, and
most builders have), show an overall length of 13'-7" and the
dimension from the firewall to the intersection of the first
vertical and the bottom longeron is 10".
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Air Camper construction time |
Jorge wrote [translated]-
>
>can you also tell me what is the normal average hrs
>for building the piet.- thanks for your help jorge from hanford
Jorge, I have never built a Piet so I don't know how long it takes.
I would say it takes somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 hours
depending on how much of it you construct yourself. Some builders
make all of the parts themselves while other builders buy some of
the metal fittings and other parts already made. Some builders
make things like the gear legs and wing struts out of wood, which
means laminating, gluing, and shaping everything by hand. Some
builders spend months and months on their cockpits and instrument
panels, like Clif Dawson. Some builders spend weeks and months
making their own beautiful hand-carved propellers, or converting
their own Ford or Corvair engines. Just too many variables.
Let's say you worked on your airplane all day Saturday and half a
day Sunday, every week except on holidays. Maybe 15 hours per week
for 45 weeks in a year. That's 675 hours. If you built your Piet
very simply and without modifications or changes from the plans and
it took 2000 hours to build, that would be about 3 years.
If you were retired or wealthy and you could work on your airplane
all day every day- say, 40 hours/week- and you were an unsociable
old sourpuss who didn't spend any time with family or friends over
the holidays so you worked on it 50 weeks a year (one week off for jury
duty and another week off to get over that bad cold)- that's
2000 hours and you could finish your airplane in one year.
Or you could do like I did and send Corky some money, get the keys
to a Piet that's already flying, and go to Old Kingsbury with
Kevin and I ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Air Camper construction time |
My story:
I have been building my entire plane from scratch myself. I buy my wood in
bulk, rough cut and then fabricate whatever pieces I need. I have also done
all my own metal work, welding, modifications, etc.- (I plan on doing th
e balance of the project myself as well.) I AVERAGE ABOUT 2-3 hours of work
a day on it...I'm guessing. I am almost 2.5 years into the project and GUE
SS I have about 1.5 - 2 more to go. Hopefully, this will give you a good re
al world idea of time involved.- The best advise I can give you is to enj
oy the time you spend building...even if it seems you are not spending much
time with it.Consistent, steady working/building will get it done and you
will enjoy the entire process more.
--- On Mon, 11/15/10, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 8:40 AM
Jorge wrote [translated]-
>
>can you also tell me what is the normal average hrs
>for building the piet.- thanks for your help jorge from hanford
Jorge, I have never built a Piet so I don't know how long it takes.
I would say it takes somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 hours
depending on how much of it you construct yourself.- Some builders
make all of the parts themselves while other builders buy some of
the metal fittings and other parts already made.- Some builders
make things like the gear legs and wing struts out of wood, which
means laminating, gluing, and shaping everything by hand.- Some
builders spend months and months on their cockpits and instrument
panels, like Clif Dawson.- Some builders spend weeks and months
making their own beautiful hand-carved propellers, or converting
their own Ford or Corvair engines.- Just too many variables.
Let's say you worked on your airplane all day Saturday and half a
day Sunday, every week except on holidays.- Maybe 15 hours per week
for 45 weeks in a year.- That's 675 hours.- If you built your Piet
very simply and without modifications or changes from the plans and
it took 2000 hours to build, that would be about 3 years.
If you were retired or wealthy and you could work on your airplane
all day every day- say, 40 hours/week- and you were an unsociable
old sourpuss who didn't spend any time with family or friends over
the holidays so you worked on it 50 weeks a year (one week off for jury
duty and another week off to get over that bad cold)- that's
2000 hours and you could finish your airplane in one year.
Or you could do like I did and send Corky some money, get the keys
to a Piet that's already flying, and go to Old Kingsbury with
Kevin and I ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net --- --------
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| Subject: | Re: Watch for spam |
| From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
As we all so often do.... we can unwittingly infect the address book of recipients
if we inadvertently "cross-pollinate" via email.
To prevent this, rather than simply hitting the Forward button on your email, Copy
and Paste the text, graphics, etc., into a New Email, and BCC all recipients.
This generally stops any virus from rippling thru multiple email acccounts.
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You guys may like this (somewhat aviation related):
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Bottom photos |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi - Don't have any photos but I can describe it pretty quickly. Bottom line:
stole it from Sky Gypsy. There are a lot of them out there like that.
I put an aluminum cover over the bottom bay below the elevator bellcrank/walking
beam thing. When covering, I glued the edges of the fabric around the structural
members up inside the access hole to get the required 1" gluing surface.
The aluminum is attached with 4 corner bolts into nutplates. Then I put in
several screws to keep the thing from vibrating. There are a couple of cutouts
in the plate that I use for ground handling grab points.
Hope this helps.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Metal fittings for the Pietenpol |
Fellow Pieter's:
-
Any chance someone is making the metal parts and pieces-for the Pietenpol
as a kit? I seek to find a source whereas these pieces are made with all t
he features needed to just paint and assemble! So then, what are the chance
s to finding a source for these parts....slim to none and slim is out of to
wn? Anyone thought about outsourcing these parts and willing to do so?
-
-
KMH
Fargo, ND
-
Not not archive.
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I keep looking at the model T hub in the plans and wondering why it's even there..
I can't see the purpose unless its just to have the center of the prop "filled
in" . the bolts and the crush plate hold the prop against the hub which only
seems to be a spacer to me.... am i missing something ?
it sure looks to me like a prop bolted to the crank flange is just the same as
adding a hub between the prop and the flange..
any thoughts ?
jeff
20 ribs done
fuselage wood ripped
engine about to go out
cool gauges on the shelf
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| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Metal fittings for the Pietenpol |
Ken Perkins is a Piet builder flyer and expert on Model A engines. He has b
een a speaker at the Pietenpol reunion in Brodhead. He also makes most all
of the metal parts.
email him and ask for a price list:
kenandvernaperkins(at)sbcglobal.net
You can also search the archives. There are a couple others that make vario
us parts.
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis
--- On Mon, 11/15/10, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote:
From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal fittings for the Pietenpol
Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 3:09 PM
Fellow Pieter's:=0A-=0AAny chance someone is making the metal parts and p
ieces-for the Pietenpol as a kit? I seek to find a source whereas these p
ieces are made with all the features needed to just paint and assemble! So
then, what are the chances to finding a source for these parts....slim to n
one and slim is out of town? Anyone thought about outsourcing these parts a
nd willing to do so?=0A-=0A-=0AKMH=0AFargo, ND=0A-=0ANot not archive.
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Just got the fuel tanks done.Boyd Welding in Florida.Super job.$800. 21 in nose
10.5 in the wing.dave
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper construction time |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Another story,
I spent 30 years thinking about it and looking at different plans. Then I spent
2 years following planes on eBay until I found the project I bought, a GN-1
approximately 75% done.
I brought the project home and spent 2 years building a shop addition on the garage.
I spent a lot of time being overwhelmed trying to figure out where to start
and then 2 summers replacing the roof on the garage and house to match the
shop addition.
Then I really got into the project, taking pictures and trying to figure out the
plans. Next phase was to look carefully at what the previous builders had done
and then start re-doing much of it. That took another year. Now I am 75%
complete and making progress. I was able to spend about 10 hrs a week until
the house needed painting. The paint scraping revealed rotten wood which meant
replacing some structure. In the process I found some trim that was never
done on the shop. You get the picture
The economy slowed down and I found it necessary to spend a little more time marketing
my business, (architecture) but I still get in some time each week. The
GN-1 was supposed to fly this summer, but the fuselage is still uncovered and
the corvair engine needing to be reworked. Maybe next summer it will fly.
Enjoy the journey!
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Air Camper construction time2 |
ok that meen Im bery slow proyec sinse I buy the firs set of blue prints 26
year ago and the moment i stare the proyect 10 year ago but I tell you somt
hing guys I enjoy all way true pize by pize weld by weld cuting glue and fo
rmer parts and all way to finished.tanks for all you help guys and all your
advise . jorge from hanford
--- On Mon, 11/15/10, Michael Perez wrote:
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 7:07 AM
My story:
I have been building my entire plane from scratch myself. I buy my wood in
bulk, rough cut and then fabricate whatever pieces I need. I have also done
all my own metal work, welding, modifications, etc.- (I plan on doing th
e balance of the project myself as well.) I AVERAGE ABOUT 2-3 hours of work
a day on it...I'm guessing. I am almost 2.5 years into the project and GUE
SS I have about 1.5 - 2 more to go. Hopefully, this will give you a good re
al world idea of time involved.- The best advise I can give you is to enj
oy the time you spend building...even if it seems you are not spending much
time with it.Consistent, steady working/building will get it done and you
will enjoy the entire process more.
--- On Mon, 11/15/10, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 8:40 AM
Jorge wrote [translated]-
>
>can you also tell me what is the normal average hrs
>for building the piet.- thanks for your help jorge from hanford
Jorge, I have never built a Piet so I don't know how long it takes.
I would say it takes somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 hours
depending on how much of it you construct yourself.- Some builders
make all of the parts themselves while other builders buy some of
the metal fittings and other parts already made.- Some builders
make things like the gear legs and wing struts out of wood, which
means laminating, gluing, and shaping everything by hand.- Some
builders spend months and months on their cockpits and instrument
panels, like Clif Dawson.- Some builders spend weeks and months
making their own beautiful hand-carved propellers, or converting
their own Ford or Corvair engines.- Just too many variables.
Let's say you worked on your airplane all day Saturday and half a
day Sunday, every week except on holidays.- Maybe 15 hours per week
for 45 weeks in a year.- That's 675 hours.- If you built your Piet
very simply and without modifications or changes from the plans and
it took 2000 hours to build, that would be about 3 years.
If you were retired or wealthy and you could work on your airplane
all day every day- say, 40 hours/week- and you were an unsociable
old sourpuss who didn't spend any time with family or friends over
the holidays so you worked on it 50 weeks a year (one week off for jury
duty and another week off to get over that bad cold)- that's
2000 hours and you could finish your airplane in one year.
Or you could do like I did and send Corky some money, get the keys
to a Piet that's already flying, and go to Old Kingsbury with
Kevin and I ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Air Camper construction time2 |
I like to do that just put the key and fly formy is about 26 year from my b
lue print -aribe and 10 years fom build the firs pize som days alot hrs w
orkin in building think and alot of month not to mouch but som day now 40%
buil all ready tanks for all Oscar jorge from hanford
--- On Mon, 11/15/10, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 5:40 AM
Jorge wrote [translated]-
>
>can you also tell me what is the normal average hrs
>for building the piet.- thanks for your help jorge from hanford
Jorge, I have never built a Piet so I don't know how long it takes.
I would say it takes somewhere between 2,000 and 10,000 hours
depending on how much of it you construct yourself.- Some builders
make all of the parts themselves while other builders buy some of
the metal fittings and other parts already made.- Some builders
make things like the gear legs and wing struts out of wood, which
means laminating, gluing, and shaping everything by hand.- Some
builders spend months and months on their cockpits and instrument
panels, like Clif Dawson.- Some builders spend weeks and months
making their own beautiful hand-carved propellers, or converting
their own Ford or Corvair engines.- Just too many variables.
Let's say you worked on your airplane all day Saturday and half a
day Sunday, every week except on holidays.- Maybe 15 hours per week
for 45 weeks in a year.- That's 675 hours.- If you built your Piet
very simply and without modifications or changes from the plans and
it took 2000 hours to build, that would be about 3 years.
If you were retired or wealthy and you could work on your airplane
all day every day- say, 40 hours/week- and you were an unsociable
old sourpuss who didn't spend any time with family or friends over
the holidays so you worked on it 50 weeks a year (one week off for jury
duty and another week off to get over that bad cold)- that's
2000 hours and you could finish your airplane in one year.
Or you could do like I did and send Corky some money, get the keys
to a Piet that's already flying, and go to Old Kingsbury with
Kevin and I ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Air Camper construction time |
With a few things left to do before building the wings
I have listed in my log 947 hrs. That includes a set
of wing ribs.
There are many things that are changes from the plans.
My final "choice" of engine and all that entails for instance.
I lucked into an engine with 800 hrs on the mains and 25
hrs on the top end for $1500. It just happens to be an
O-290. Big engine. Weighs a little more than an "A" with
radiator and water, maybe 5 lb. For $1500 how could I
pass? Yes, you could say sell it for a profit and get
something smaller but what for? And how long before
something else turns up that's better for the same price?
Oh, by the way, it's certified, logs and everything!
It's taken me ten years to rack up that 947 hrs. a lot of
that has been lack of money. Buy some stuff, work with
it, save up and buy a bit more, etc. Some work related.
Somehow ten hours a day seven days a week cuts into
build time. At least THAT's history. :-)
How many more hours? hard to say but judging from
what's done and what's left, maybe 150 or 200 hrs?
The bottom line is "What are you after?" A finished
plane as soon as possible? The experience of building
such a thing with your own hands regardless of what
it takes? You and you alone get to make the decisions
that dictate your journey.
Building this airplane, especially this one, has been a
wonderful experience. This is a fantastic community.
Full of good friends all helping each other.
Clif
Be Yourself!
Everyone Else Is Taken
--- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
My story:
I have been building my entire plane from scratch myself. I buy
my wood in bulk, rough cut and then fabricate whatever pieces I need. I
have also done all my own metal work, welding, modifications, etc. (I
plan on doing the balance of the project myself as well.) I AVERAGE
ABOUT 2-3 hours of work a day on it...I'm guessing. I am almost 2.5
years into the project and GUESS I have about 1.5 - 2 more to go.
Hopefully, this will give you a good real world idea of time involved.
The best advise I can give you is to enjoy the time you spend
building...even if it seems you are not spending much time with
it.Consistent, steady working/building will get it done and you will
enjoy the entire process more.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
I'm at the point to start thinking about fuel tanks and fuel line routing.
- My main concern is fuel starvation in a nose up, take off attitude.-
It shouldn't be a concern with a full tank on take off, but perhaps someone
wants to do a touch and go on the return trip from the pancake breakfast.
- With a gravity feed system a wing tank is of little concern but with a
nose tank I'm unsure.- I have heard of cases where it has happened. I'm u
sing an A-65 with Stromberg. Does anyone have any comments on the subject o
f fuel pumps. Also, those who have two tanks, one in the wing and one in th
e nose, how do you switch them?- Where is your valve mounted?- How many
of you use a gascolator and is a pump necessary with that.- Those of you
-using a pump, what type?
-
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis-=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
The crank flange on the Model A is small, too small to bolt a prop to and e
xpect it to stay on and stay tracking properly. I bought a prop hub that Ke
n Perkins sells that fits the Continental 6-bolt spacing and crush plates t
hat are available from him or ACS. Said hub, attaches on to the Model A cra
nk flange with four cap screws. I used blue Locktite to insure those cap sc
rews stay in there, because there is not enough room to fit a nut behind th
e crank flange. You can see the stuff that Perkins sells if you go to Mykit
plane.com and look him up. His current email is KenandVernaperkins@sbcgloba
l.net
Any other questions let me know.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 3:30 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford hub
>
I keep looking at the model T hub in the plans and wondering why it's even
here.. I can't see the purpose unless its just to have the center of the pr
op
filled in" . the bolts and the crush plate hold the prop against the hub wh
ich
nly seems to be a spacer to me.... am i missing something ?
t sure looks to me like a prop bolted to the crank flange is just the same
as
dding a hub between the prop and the flange..
any thoughts ?
eff
20 ribs done
uselage wood ripped
ngine about to go out
ool gauges on the shelf
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| Subject: | Need to order steel |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I just finished a EAA gas welding class and would to start making some of my fittings
over the holidays. How much 4130 should I order for the piet?
I tried to search the achieves but had no luck.
Thanks,
--------
John
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I've seen the hubs that Ken makes.. they look great..but the 4 bolt hub he makes
is like the one Mr Pietenpol used... four bolts, well four studs..that hold
the T hub to the crank flange with 7/16 bolts right into the original holes...
so the diameter is the same as the crank flange
Dan your prop does not have a hole in the middle.. one of the things i was thinking..
was the original idea with the T hub to center the prop on the shaft with
the wood turned spacer
here is Ken's 4 bolt hub
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Starvation |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Jeff,
My tech counsler advised when test running the engine on the airframe.
To roll your tailwheel in a ditch, giving the airplane a extreme nose up pi
tch (at least more than the expected Stall position)
And see if the engine will run full throttle for at least 5 minutes.
5 min climb will give you enough altitude to safety
He considered this test mandatory before first flight!
I tested this with 1/2 hour fuel in nose tank (2 1/2 gallons)
Nose tank only has 9 inch head at level flight and this fuel quantity.
I am using a Piper J 3 nose tank, No pump, Corvair engine with a up draft Z
enith carburator.
Hans
NX15KV
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From: jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 16, 2010 6:42 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Starvation
I'm at the point to start thinking about fuel tanks and fuel line routing.
My main concern is fuel starvation in a nose up, take off attitude. It sh
ouldn't be a concern with a full tank on take off, but perhaps someone want
s to do a touch and go on the return trip from the pancake breakfast. With
a gravity feed system a wing tank is of little concern but with a nose tan
k I'm unsure. I have heard of cases where it has happened. I'm using an A-
65 with Stromberg. Does anyone have any comments on the subject of fuel pum
ps. Also, those who have two tanks, one in the wing and one in the nose, ho
w do you switch them? Where is your valve mounted? How many of you use a
gascolator and is a pump necessary with that. Those of you using a pump, w
hat type?
Jeff Wilson
St. Louis
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
31.5g?!?? That's good for 7 hours! You must have a huge bladder. I
suggest you install a pee tube in your seat bottom.
In all seriousness, that tank looks like it hangs pretty low. Have you
checked to make sure you can get foot pedals or a rudder bar under that
front tank and that a passenger's shins won't bang up against the edge
of the tank? Not naming any names, but I know of one Piet that has that
very problem.
Dan
On 11/15/2010 07:37 PM, Dangerous Dave wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dangerous Dave"
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> Just got the fuel tanks done.Boyd Welding in Florida.Super job.$800. 21 in nose
10.5 in the wing.dave
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| From: | Dan Yocum <yocum(at)fnal.gov> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Starvation |
Jeff,
N8031 has a 13g wing tank and a 3.5g header tank in the nose. The
engine is set pretty high compared to other Piets I've seen - the thrust
line is is about even with the top longerons:
http://picasaweb.google.com/josh.lober/FlyingOnJuly112009?authkey=Gv1sRgCPWEqvy-3NHvrAE#5357451455011562418
The carb is a Marvell-Schebler MA-3 installed about 220 hours ago. It
has no fuel pump.
Overall, the plane has flown 450+ hours with no fuel starvation problems
that I'm aware of, and I've had it in a really nose high attitude for
many tens of seconds trying to do power-on stalls (which I just can't
seem to make it do - it just keeps climbing and climbing and climbing...).
Here are a couple pictures of the engine compartment - you can see where
the fuel lines come out of the firewall:
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/v/airplanes/N8031/img_2550.jpg.html
http://5n429glenoak.homelinux.net/gallery/v/airplanes/N8031/img_2552.jpg.html
Hans's advice seems wise.
Cheers,
Dan
On 11/16/2010 06:39 AM, jeff wilson wrote:
> I'm at the point to start thinking about fuel tanks and fuel line
> routing. My main concern is fuel starvation in a nose up, take off
> attitude. It shouldn't be a concern with a full tank on take off, but
> perhaps someone wants to do a touch and go on the return trip from the
> pancake breakfast. With a gravity feed system a wing tank is of little
> concern but with a nose tank I'm unsure. I have heard of cases where it
> has happened. I'm using an A-65 with Stromberg. Does anyone have any
> comments on the subject of fuel pumps. Also, those who have two tanks,
> one in the wing and one in the nose, how do you switch them? Where is
> your valve mounted? How many of you use a gascolator and is a pump
> necessary with that. Those of you using a pump, what type?
> Jeff Wilson
> St. Louis
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| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Need to order steel |
Try using the words "materials list" to search the archives. I do recall seeing
that in the last 6 or 7 months.
899WT
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From: Kringle <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need to order steel
I just finished a EAA gas welding class and would to start making some of my fittings
over the holidays. How much 4130 should I order for the piet?
I tried to search the achieves but had no luck.
Thanks,
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Need to order steel |
Order just enough, and no more.
Seriously, there is no way anyone can tell you. For one thing, there are
many different sizes required, and vastly different amounts depending on
which landing gear and which engine you are using. Whatever you calculate,
double it. Steel is cheap - shipping it is expensive, and screwing up a
part and then having to wait for more steel to arrive because you ordered
just enough is very frustrating.
Many of the parts are made of .090" steel 1" wide or 3/4" wide. You can buy
4130 strips that are slit-sawn to those widths and that vastly simplifies
cutting the parts.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need to order steel
I just finished a EAA gas welding class and would to start making some of my
fittings over the holidays. How much 4130 should I order for the piet?
I tried to search the achieves but had no luck.
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| From: | jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Need to order steel |
If you don't live too rural, you may be able to find a metals supplier nearby.
It doesn't all have to come from AC Spruce or Wicks. Usually cheaper too. I found
a great source in St. Louis, MO, Shapiro Metals on Natural Bridge. They recycle,
deal in used materials and also have a great selection of 4130 sheet and
tube and 6061 & 2024 aluminum.
If you live out in farm country, check with your local tractor and farm equipment
shop for materials. If they have it, they can probably tell you where to find
it.
Counting shipping, I save over half the price compared to Spruce or Wicks, and
I can pop in whenever I need to restock. Wish they had AN turnbuckles.
Jeff Wilson
899WT(r)
St. Louis
Fuse done, installing controls.
Wings done no hardware.
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From: Kringle <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Need to order steel
I just finished a EAA gas welding class and would to start making some of my fittings
over the holidays. How much 4130 should I order for the piet?
I tried to search the achieves but had no luck.
Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Starvation |
| From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Since the Stromberg has no effective mixture control, a recommended way to do engine
AND fuel shutoff is to have a cable operated valve close to the engine.
The theory is that if you use just the ignition to shut down the engine, the
unburned fuel can cause flooding/hard starting issues during a quick restart.
Also, the float seats can be a source of leaks so an easily usable fuel shutoff
of some kind is almost mandatory. A fuel shutoff at the wing tank is also
a very good idea just in case something catches fire. That eliminates gas as
a source of fuel and also isolates the fuel in case of a forced landing. Hooking
both valves to one cockpit control is going to be my choice.
Dave Aldrich
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| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
There is enough room for feet,no controls in the front cockpit,no seat belts in
front either,mostly for camping gear,food,rifle and will be covered.31 gallon
total with 28 usable should give me 4 hours with my o-235 cruising at 90.
6 days to Alaska from Colorado,with any luck.Probably will take 10 days
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Starvation |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Just getting going on my fuel system as well.The wing tank will refill the nose
tank.The nose tank will feed the gascolator and the fuel will be pumped via mechanical
engine pump to the MA3A on the O-235.Not much into wondering if I will
have a fuel starvation problem or redoing everything if the was a problem.Dave
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Starvation |
I just started designing my fuel tank this past weekend. It will be a nose tank
only, no wing tank and I plan on welding the aluminum myself. Currently, I am
making up a model template of the entire tank using craft type cardboard. I realized
so far, I have not allowed room past the tank for wires/cables to run
from the pilot seat through the firewall. I will either make room, or I may install
a tube through the tank for the cables. Still working out the size/shape/details.
Just some words for thought...
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| Subject: | Need to order steel |
I have gotten my 4130 from Metal Supermarket here in SLC, I know they
have chains stores. I bought the 4130 sheet and they sheared it to the
sizes I needed right there for me.
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: Need to order steel |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
You would think here in Dayton, oh. The birthplace of aviation I could find some
4130 steel but so far no luck.
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John
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| Subject: | FAA attempt to clamp down on IA renewals |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Worth a look...
http://www.antiqueairfield.com/articles/show/778-faa-proposal-to-restrict-ia-renewal
Ryan
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Starvation |
When I made my nose tank, I purchased pink foam board insulation from Menar
d's.-With a little glue and a sharp knife, you can cut out your patterns
and get them very close to realistic size and shapes. Glue together and pla
ce in plane for exact fitting.-
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Worked very well for the welder to visual see what-I was after. I-made
sure the bottom flowed to the front and added baffles inside to prevent 'sl
oshing' form side to side and front to back!
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To find a good welder with very little cost,-I used the Amish shop nearby
.-They are excellent craftsmen-with low labor costs!
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My 2cents worth!
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From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel Starvation
Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 12:56 PM
I just started designing my fuel tank this past weekend. It will be a nose
tank only, no wing tank and I plan on welding the aluminum myself. Currentl
y, I am making up a model template of the entire tank using craft type card
board. I realized so far, I have not allowed room past the tank for wires/c
ables to run from the pilot seat through the firewall. I will either make r
oom, or I may install a tube through the tank for the cables. Still working
out the size/shape/details. Just some words for thought...
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Need to order steel |
Go to any sheet metal shop. they may have it. Or any Machine shop
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Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 4:03:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Need to order steel
You would think here in Dayton, oh. The birthplace of aviation I could find some
4130 steel but so far no luck.
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| Subject: | Re: Need to order steel |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I called a half dozen steel suppliers and two weld shops in the Dayton , OH area
today with no luck.
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| Subject: | Re: Need to order steel |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Why don't you contact the local EAA chapter, or hit up a meeting, and ask
where others are buying theirs from in the area?
http://www.eaa.org/chapters/locator/SearchResults.asp?ChapterDivision=EAA&ChapterNumber=48
<http://www.eaa.org/chapters/locator/SearchResults.asp?ChapterDivision=EAA&ChapterNumber=48>
Ryan
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Kringle wrote:
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> I called a half dozen steel suppliers and two weld shops in the Dayton , OH
> area today with no luck.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need to order steel |
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Good idea. I joined a local group about 6 months ago and will ask at the next
meeting.
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John
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| From: | Tim Willis <timothywillis(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Starvation-- discussing interference between |
cables and a fuze tank
Mike,
Corky ran all the wires and cables on my project outside the ply on the fuze, so
that they can be covered over with fabric that is stretched over the long formers.
It makes for a neater cockpit.
I am running some of the wiring in very, very light flex aluminum conduit (3/8",
Home Depot), with the same arrangement, between the fuze and fabric, and leaving
some empty runs for future wiring, with pull strings in them. ["Future"
includes for radio, intercom, possible EHT or cicuits for a larger replacement
engine with more bells/whistles, and a strobe or two. Dunno what, if any, I
will ever install.]
I know, the conduit adds a little weight, mighty little, but it protects the wires
and to a degree future-proofs (with empty "future" conduits) the build.
I like these routing ideas better than a tube through the fuze gas tank. Of course,
there is a practical limit on how far you can flex the mechanical tach cable--
how far from straight ahead.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Nov 16, 2010 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel Starvation
I just started designing my fuel tank this past weekend. It will be a nose tank
only, no wing tank and I plan on welding the aluminum myself. Currently, I am
making up a model template of the entire tank using craft type cardboard. I realized
so far, I have not allowed room past the tank for wires/cables to run
from the pilot seat through the firewall. I will either make room, or I may install
a tube through the tank for the cables. Still working out the size/shape/details.
Just some words for thought...
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| Subject: | Re: Need to order steel |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Try
Dillsburg Aeroplane Works
114 Sawmill Rd
Dillsburg, PA 17019
717-432-4589
They don't have a website or slick catalog but if you call they will send you out
a price sheet. This is not a high tech operation but I have heard they supply
most of the steel to places like ACS and Wicks. I have found prices to be
pretty good but check against ACS's catalog.
I ordered my cable from them at about 1/2 the price of ACS.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | jorge lizarraga <flightwood(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Air Camper construction time2 |
I agree whit that , I enjoy all way true too, and corse I spend 10 years al
l ready in 45%finished plane but kep goint some day , tanks for you note I
like tall whit you and enjoy the journey good friend nice people, good time
tanks jorge from hanford
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From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper construction time
Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 11:19 PM
With a few things left to do before building the wings
I have listed in my log 947 hrs. That includes a set
of wing ribs.
-
There are many things that are changes from the plans.
My final "choice" of engine and all that entails for instance.
I lucked into an engine with 800 hrs on the mains and 25
hrs on the top end for $1500. It just happens to be an
O-290. Big engine. Weighs a little more than an "A" with
radiator and water, maybe 5 lb. For $1500 how could I
pass? Yes, you could say sell it for a profit and get
something smaller but what for? And how long before
something else-turns up that's better for the same price?
Oh, by the way, it's certified, logs and everything!
-
It's taken me ten years to rack up that 947 hrs. a lot of
that has been lack of money. Buy some stuff, work with
it, save up and buy a bit more, etc. Some work related.
Somehow ten hours a day seven days a week cuts into
build time. At least THAT's history. :-)
-
How many more hours? hard to say but judging from
what's done and what's left, maybe 150 or 200 hrs?
-
The bottom line is "What are you after?" A finished
plane as soon as possible? The experience of building
such a thing with your own hands regardless of what
it takes? You and you alone get to make the decisions
that dictate your journey.
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Building this airplane, especially this one, has been a
wonderful experience. This is a fantastic community.
Full of good friends all helping each other.
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From: Michael Perez
My story:
I have been building my entire plane from scratch myself. I buy my wood in
bulk, rough cut and then fabricate whatever pieces I need. I have also done
all my own metal work, welding, modifications, etc.- (I plan on doing th
e balance of the project myself as well.) I AVERAGE ABOUT 2-3 hours of work
a day on it...I'm guessing. I am almost 2.5 years into the project and GUE
SS I have about 1.5 - 2 more to go. Hopefully, this will give you a good re
al world idea of time involved.- The best advise I can give you is to enj
oy the time you spend building...even if it seems you are not spending much
time with it.Consistent, steady working/building will get it done and you
will enjoy the entire process more.
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Michael;
I had exactly the same situation come up on 41CC when I was doing
the rebuild... with the fuselage (nose) fuel tank in place, it is
extremely difficult to get cables or wires past it through the
firewall. So even if you make a pretty layout of everything on
the engine side of the firewall, it's rare that you'll actually be
able to punch things through in those locations if you have a fuel
tank in the nose.
On my airplane, the toughest thing is the tach cable, which just
squeezes by the side of the tank and has just barely enough length
to get from the instrument to the engine. It will not tolerate
anything other than very gentle bends in the cable. There are
some pix here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/fueltank.html
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jeff wrote-
>My main concern is fuel starvation in a nose up, take off attitude.
And a good concern it is, too.
>with a nose tank I'm unsure.- I have heard of cases where it has happened.
That would be me ;o) Engine quit on rollout after a nice smooth 3-point
landing after running down to minimum fuel... about 3 gal. left in my
16 gal. nose tank. Definitely, follow Hans' advice and run the setup
with the tailwheel down in a hole to simulate a climb with a nose-high
attitude. You can get an idea of the geometry on my firewall forward
by looking at some of the pictures here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/engine.html
>I'm using an A-65 with Stromberg.
Same as my setup (except an A-75, but it's the same thing).
>Does anyone have any comments on the subject of fuel pumps.
None on my airplane; gravity feed only.
>those who have two tanks, one in the wing and one in the nose, how do you
>switch them?- Where is your valve mounted?
One of the best setups I've seen is the one on Ernie Moreno's Piet. There
are pix of his setup here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets3.html , photos 3, 5, and 10.
>How many of you use a gascolator and is a pump necessary with that.
Hopefully EVERYONE is using a gascolator! Obviously, no pump is necessary
since I don't have one ;o) You need something at the lowest point in
your fuel system to collect and drain any water or sediment that might
get into the fuel system.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Starvation |
Ah yes, the tach. cable. I was looking over my tank template just a little
bit yesterday, (no time to work on anything) and realized that I have the o
ption of running some wires outside the plywood sides, under the fabric as
mentioned in another post. The tach. cable, (which I do not have, so I am n
ot clear how stiff it is,) may need to have a more straight run. Since I am
not sure what engine I will end up with,-I don't know where the tach. fi
tting is going to be located on said engine. -So, I don't know where on t
he firewall the cable will need to penetrate and where I need to make room
for it around (through) the fuel tank.-
-
Anyhoo, steady as she goes...I'll figure it out over time.
-
-
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Starting Wood Landing Gear |
Thought I would take a moment to share with the list that I am working on m
y wood landing gear and tail wheel. It became clear to me to start with the
main wheels/axle on the main gear and also build the tail wheel. Once thos
e are done, I can set up the fuselage at the proper angle/ride height and s
tart fitting the wood struts.
-
I have been working on my wheel hub design for about two weeks and am now f
abricating them. Buchanan's have been a great help with this and I will be
getting my rims and spokes from them. My hubs incorporate the band style br
akes and will-use 40 spoke rims. The hubs are a simple "spool" design wit
h one-flange larger then the other on each, (for the brake drum). I also
realized that-the gear-is one of the more heavier components on the ent
ire plane and one of the most challenging, (rewarding), parts of the build.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Starvation |
I am glad these conversations are out now, as I am designing my nose tank a
t this time.
-
With the concern of fuel starvation during a climb attitude...why not have
the tank sump nearer the rear of the tank? That being the low spot, it woul
d always be filled when the nose is above horizontal...(?)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
There are right angle tach cable drives (which also can be used to reverse
the direction the cable turns) which could be used to allow the cable to run
outside the tank. The cable will have to be outside at some point, unless
you make provisions to have a tube through your front seat passenger as well
as the fuel tank, to allow passage of cables and wires.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Starvation
Ah yes, the tach. cable. I was looking over my tank template just a little
bit yesterday, (no time to work on anything) and realized that I have the
option of running some wires outside the plywood sides, under the fabric as
mentioned in another post. The tach. cable, (which I do not have, so I am
not clear how stiff it is,) may need to have a more straight run. Since I am
not sure what engine I will end up with, I don't know where the tach.
fitting is going to be located on said engine. So, I don't know where on
the firewall the cable will need to penetrate and where I need to make room
for it around (through) the fuel tank.
Anyhoo, steady as she goes...I'll figure it out over time.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Starting Wood Landing Gear |
I will certainly echo that sentiment although my gear is of the split axle
(Cub style) rather than the wood straight axle variety. I am losing a
generous quantity of hair in certain places over this part of the build
but I can now see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'll post some
photos soon.
Stinemetze
N328X
>>> Michael Perez 11/17/2010 8:20 AM >>>
I also realized that the gear is one of the more heavier components on the
entire plane and one of the most challenging, (rewarding), parts of the
build.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
The problem is not where the low spot is, the problem is having the top
suface of the fuel in the tank lower than the carburetor in a steep climb.
Even if it is slightly higher than the carburetor, with only an inch or two
of head there may not be sufficient fuel flow to maintain full power. The
pressure "head" is measured from the top surface of the fuel to the
carburetor inlet.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Starvation
I am glad these conversations are out now, as I am designing my nose tank at
this time.
With the concern of fuel starvation during a climb attitude...why not have
the tank sump nearer the rear of the tank? That being the low spot, it would
always be filled when the nose is above horizontal...(?)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Need to order steel |
A couple of sources I have not seen referenced on here . . . EBAY has tons
of sellers with very good prices on 4130 of all sizes and thicknesses. Also
=2C McMaster Carr sells the stuff on its website=2C which is the most user-
friendly and useful site I have ever seen. They ship same day and are alwa
ys very helpful. Both have more than competitive prices.
Gene Rambo
rib stitching wing as we speak!!
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I have that right angle fitting.
--- On Wed, 11/17/10, Jack Phillips wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Starvation
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 9:49 AM
There are right angle tach cable drives (which also can be used to reverse
the direction the cable turns) which could be used to allow the cable to ru
n outside the tank.- The cable will have to be outside at some point, unl
ess you make provisions to have a tube through your front seat passenger as
well as the fuel tank, to allow passage of cables and wires.
-
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel Starvation
-
Ah yes, the tach. cable. I was looking over my tank template just a little
bit yesterday, (no time to work on anything) and realized that I have the o
ption of running some wires outside the plywood sides, under the fabric as
mentioned in another post. The tach. cable, (which I do not have, so I am n
ot clear how stiff it is,) may need to have a more straight run. Since I am
not sure what engine I will end up with,-I don't know where the tach. fi
tting is going to be located on said engine. -So, I don't know where on t
he firewall the cable will need to penetrate and where I need to make room
for it around (through) the fuel tank.-
-
Anyhoo, steady as she goes...I'll figure it out over time.
-
- - -www.buildersbooks.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpo
l-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Starvation |
| From: | "BYD" <billsayre(at)ymail.com> |
Not necessary to actually run the engine for the flow tests. During these tests
is a good opportunity to calibrate and mark your level indicator(s) also.
AC 90-89A (Amateur-Built Aircraft and Ultralight Flight Testing) section 10 gives
good directions for fuel flow testing and FAR 23.955 (for certified aircraft)
has good standards to shoot for:
(b) Gravity systems. The fuel flow rate for gravity systems (main and reserve supply)
must be 150 percent of the takeoff fuel consumption of the engine.
This flow must--
(1) Be shown with the airplane in the most adverse fuel feed condition (with respect
to altitudes, attitudes, and other conditions) that is expected in operation;
and
(2) Be automatically uninterrupted with respect to any engine until all fuel scheduled
for use by the engine has been consumed.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319797#319797
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Starvation |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Gene brings up an excellent point... examine systems that are proven to work (as
is the J-3) and emulate that setup. Well worth studying the geometry of the
Cub setup... the carb, gascolator, and fuel tank positions relative to one another....
copy that setup and no calculations or engineering will be necessary.
However, not even Mr. Taylor nor Mr. Piper can suspend the law of gravity, nor
do they trump Archimedes' principles. The relative levels of the fuel in the
tank and the float in the carb have to provide sufficient gravity head to flow
fuel from one to the other or you'll need a pump. Stuff don't flow uphill on
its own ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319800#319800
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Westach EGT/CHT senders |
I'm looking for a set of four EGT probes and four CHT thermocouples
for 18mm spark plugs=2C plus 4-position selector switches for them=2C to go
with a combo Westach EGT/CHT gauge. Please reply off list=3B thanks.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio=2C TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Mount the tach on the top of the cowling, and see if you can find one with
really big numbers on it, short cable, simple hook up and all, just like th
e ford tri-moter.
-
-
Jusk kidding ya,
Shad
-
You might be able to find a tach generator, then you only need to run 2 sma
ll wires instead of a flex drive, you would need a compatable tach though.
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Starting Wood Landing Gear |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Yessiree it is challenging and time consuming. All is well that ends well. I am
now working on the axle,brakes and the like.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319836#319836
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Starting Wood Landing Gear |
Jerry,
Your gear looks great! I am playing with an idea to pad my axle with some
stuff used to pad horse stalls (see attached). I have a lifetime supply and
would be happy to cut some strips for you, or anyone else who may be
interested.
Gary Boothe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Starting Wood Landing Gear
Yessiree it is challenging and time consuming. All is well that ends well. I
am now working on the axle,brakes and the like.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319836#319836
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00378_969.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Starting Wood Landing Gear |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Thanks Gary I would like to have a piece. My axle will be very similar to yours.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319858#319858
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| Subject: | Re: Starting Wood Landing Gear |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
I think anyone in the landing gear process would do well to read the recent article
by William Wynn in the latest Broadhead Pietenpol Assoc. newsletter.
This year at Broadhead WW began gathering data on weight and balance and gear locations
on a variety of Piets. His first article on this subject appears in
the current newsletter and he has some good thoughts on landing gear placement.
After having read what he has to say I will be checking out my gear placement
on the GN-1 before covering the fuselage.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Tig welder question |
| From: | "Clayton Harper" <claytonharper(at)mac.com> |
A better test is to run a nice bead on 1/8" alum. Need an AC machine.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319880#319880
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| Subject: | Corvair College 19 photos |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
William Wynne (well, Grace most likely) has uploaded photos from the recent
Corvair College #19 at Barnwell Regional Airport in Barnwell, SC (looks like
a really neat airport). There are a few photos of Gardiner's Piet with his
sharp new cowling, PF Beck's Piet, and Randy Bush running his new engine.
Definitely worth a look:
http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar.html
Ryan
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Weldfest 2010 (or maybe 2011) |
A couple of us may be getting together for a weekend of welding/powder coating
in my shop.
And there might be room for one more person if anyone is interested in joining
us.
Here's the idea:
You make all your Pietenpol metal pieces that need to be welded (cabane fittings,
rudder horns, etc) and bring them with you. I'm glad to help if needed but
basically, you do all the work. I provide sand blasting, welding (TIG and gas)
and powder coating equipment.
It could likely end up being a one day effort. If I had done all my parts at once
I could have easily done them in one day.
Anyway, I have room in the RV for maybe one more person.
Your cost: a few dollars for gas if you use the gas welding setup and you feed
yourself. But if you want to cook, the RV has everything.
Could be a pretty inexpensive trip and a nice way to get your welding done.
The holidays are slow for me so I'm thinking maybe the weekend of Dec 4 or 11.
Or the weekend of Jan 8 or 15.
Not exactly a "Corvair College" but could be fun! And there's nothing definite
planned at this point so the dates are flexible. If this is something you might
be interested in, let me know off line.
Jim Markle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Weldfest 2010 (or maybe 2011) |
What a great idea, Jim! Welding is easy to some, but to most I think it's an entirely
new endeavor that often gets hired out. Hope you have some takers...And
for any who may never have met Jim, you will be thoroughly entertained, and you
will enjoy his easy manner. And while you're there, please keep an eye out
for my Craftsman open end wrenches ('GB' will be engraved on each).
Gary Boothe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:12 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weldfest 2010 (or maybe 2011)
A couple of us may be getting together for a weekend of welding/powder coating
in my shop.
And there might be room for one more person if anyone is interested in joining
us.
Here's the idea:
You make all your Pietenpol metal pieces that need to be welded (cabane fittings,
rudder horns, etc) and bring them with you. I'm glad to help if needed but
basically, you do all the work. I provide sand blasting, welding (TIG and gas)
and powder coating equipment.
It could likely end up being a one day effort. If I had done all my parts at once
I could have easily done them in one day.
Anyway, I have room in the RV for maybe one more person.
Your cost: a few dollars for gas if you use the gas welding setup and you feed
yourself. But if you want to cook, the RV has everything.
Could be a pretty inexpensive trip and a nice way to get your welding done.
The holidays are slow for me so I'm thinking maybe the weekend of Dec 4 or 11.
Or the weekend of Jan 8 or 15.
Not exactly a "Corvair College" but could be fun! And there's nothing definite
planned at this point so the dates are flexible. If this is something you might
be interested in, let me know off line.
Jim Markle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Starting Wood Landing Gear |
looking good gary. how many horses will be pulling your plane? gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 7:26:38 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Starting Wood Landing Gear
Jerry,
Your gear looks great! I am playing with an idea to pad my axle with some
stuff used to pad horse stalls (see attached). I have a lifetime supply and
would be happy to cut some strips for you, or anyone else who may be
interested.
Gary Boothe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Starting Wood Landing Gear
Yessiree it is challenging and time consuming. All is well that ends well. I
am now working on the axle,brakes and the like.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319836#319836
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00378_969.jpg
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| From: | "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tig welder question |
I have done that with my setup however 032 material is easily transformed to
transparent aluminium. Which is where the pedal really comes im handy
John
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Clayton Harper <claytonharper(at)mac.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 18, 2010 04:16:23 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tig welder question
A better test is to run a nice bead on 1/8" alum. Need an AC machine.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=319880#319880
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tig welder question |
Am I the only one that gets this message from John's emails?
-----Original Message-----
>From: "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
>Sent: Nov 18, 2010 9:25 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tig welder question
>
>The contents of this message are corrupt. We cannot view this message.
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| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
Wow.. ok that went fast
i glued my first rib together on November 1st... and today i counted 28..
i knew i was close.. and only got one end rib made..
need to whip out another today.. and maybe a spare or two for the wall
should be able to lay out the fuselage this weekend
jeff
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Tig welder question |
I'm in town right now!
In a message dated 11/17/2010 5:01:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jim_markle(at)mindspring.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Markle
Hey John,
Google the model number of your welder and "diy"....if someone has done
it, Google will find it!
I googled "water cooler" for my TIG machine and came up with a lot of
good, inexpensive ideas....
Then I did the mandatory "weld two aluminum cans together"....worked well,
remind me to show you next time you're in town.
Or just bring your stuff over and use my machine...
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Sent: Nov 17, 2010 2:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tig welder question
I have put together a dry rig Tig welder, it works well with the exception
of light gauge aluminum. Because its a makeshift machine I don't have a
pedal
heat control.
Anyone have any ideas as to how to add a foot pedal to the unit, its not
designed for one so its going to have to be a creative detailed method as
being
suggested ,designs, drawings, suggestions anything?
Do not archive
Thanks
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
Fellow Members:
-
I have the opportunity to purchase a good used Cub 12 gallon header tank, p
ressure checked, no leaks for a price of $240.00 includes shipping. There i
s no bracket and bolts to hold the cable in place. Any ideas where-I can
find these parts?
-
Deal or no deal?
-
KMH
Fargo, ND
-
=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "cjborsuk" <cjborsuk(at)yahoo.com> |
I was just looking at tanks last night. Wag-Aero has new tanks for $440 plus another
$110 for straps, plus shipping. Your find sounds like a good deal.
Chuck
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left; Well Behind Last Year... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser. Response
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Please remember that there is no commercial advertising on these Lists and the
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
I'm not sure what cable you are referring to. I have a cub tank in my
Piet, and made my own mounting straps out of 4130 strips. I did solder
an extended neck on it. Mine was given to me.
Ben
On 11/18/2010 10:11 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote:
>
> Fellow Members:
> I have the opportunity to purchase a _good used_ Cub 12 gallon header
> tank, pressure checked, no leaks for a price of $240.00 includes
> shipping. There is no bracket and bolts to hold the cable in place.
> Any ideas where I can find these parts?
> Deal or no deal?
> KMH
> Fargo, ND
> *//*
> *//*
>
>
> *
>
> *
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| From: | David Trainer Sr <dtrain(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Plans for sale - $100 |
I was going to build a Pietenpol back in 2001, but it's not going to
happen. So I'm selling the works. I've got over $200 into it. It
includes the manual (paid $28) and full plans ($138) which I bought
from Don Pietenpol. Also includes the wing section plan which I
guess is not accurate enough to be really useful. All of the 18X24
inch plans were professionally laminated at a cost of $40. Also
included is a Bill Rewey info pack ($8) and a Mike Cuy VHS video
($23) if you still have a tape player :-)
This is all the original, not photocopies. I didn't ever start the
actual building.
If you're interested, drop me a line at dtrain(at)ptd.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jim: I often get the same message and emails from AMSafety,
as well as a couple of others on the list... but I get the
digest version, not the instant messages so I always thought
it was just me.
And just to fill in some space here, don't let anybody know but
I played hooky from work yesterday afternoon and went flying.
My hangar-mate had a vehicle parked at an ag strip the other side
of Hondo and I flew him over to retrieve it. What a beautiful, crisp,
cold day to be out flying. Scout flew wonderfully and good landings
were made by all. It was humorous to see the mechanics over at the ag
repair shop all come running out to look at the Piet as we taxied up...
here are these guys all surrounded by dozens of huge crop dusters,
working on ailerons as big as an entire Piet wing, propellers that
looked like windmills, and these guys are all grins as they touched the
"real wood prop!" and fabric of an old Air Camper. Cameras came out
and they took pictures of Scout; it's good to see that airplane people
recognize and admire the classic lines of this airplane.
The frosting on the cake was after we got back to the hangar
(me with the airplane, Craig with his Jeep Waggoneer), we were standing
around talking when an honest-to-goodness Tiger Moth flew into the
pattern and started shooting touch and goes. Obviously someone was
getting instruction because there were two aboard, but the Moth was
just gorgeous... finished in silver with RAF roundels and a yellow
slash on the fuselage... and the Gipsy never missed a beat. They
probably shot a half-dozen landings, then headed off to the east
after wagging the wings. Gorgeous airplane.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | de Havilland Tiger Moth |
| From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Here's an image that shows almost exactly the color scheme on the Moth that we
saw flying around San Geronimo Airpark yesterday. Beautiful airplane.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: corrupt emails |
I have to admit...this type of email really gets me excited!
Thanks Oscar!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 19, 2010 8:41 AM
>To: Pietenpol List
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: corrupt emails
>
>
>Jim: I often get the same message and emails from AMSafety,
>as well as a couple of others on the list... but I get the
>digest version, not the instant messages so I always thought
>it was just me.
>
>And just to fill in some space here, don't let anybody know but
>I played hooky from work yesterday afternoon and went flying.
>My hangar-mate had a vehicle parked at an ag strip the other side
>of Hondo and I flew him over to retrieve it. What a beautiful, crisp,
>cold day to be out flying. Scout flew wonderfully and good landings
>were made by all. It was humorous to see the mechanics over at the ag
>repair shop all come running out to look at the Piet as we taxied up...
>here are these guys all surrounded by dozens of huge crop dusters,
>working on ailerons as big as an entire Piet wing, propellers that
>looked like windmills, and these guys are all grins as they touched the
>"real wood prop!" and fabric of an old Air Camper. Cameras came out
>and they took pictures of Scout; it's good to see that airplane people
>recognize and admire the classic lines of this airplane.
>
>The frosting on the cake was after we got back to the hangar
>(me with the airplane, Craig with his Jeep Waggoneer), we were standing
>around talking when an honest-to-goodness Tiger Moth flew into the
>pattern and started shooting touch and goes. Obviously someone was
>getting instruction because there were two aboard, but the Moth was
>just gorgeous... finished in silver with RAF roundels and a yellow
>slash on the fuselage... and the Gipsy never missed a beat. They
>probably shot a half-dozen landings, then headed off to the east
>after wagging the wings. Gorgeous airplane.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>Air Camper NX41CC
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| From: | "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: corrupt emails |
I have changed phones so i know that's not it. Only thing i can make of is
our corporate email system going outside of enterprise server. Not being the
IT guy i have no idea
John
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 13:44:19 GMT+00:00
Subject: Pietenpol-List: corrupt emails
Jim: I often get the same message and emails from AMSafety,
as well as a couple of others on the list... but I get the
digest version, not the instant messages so I always thought
it was just me.
And just to fill in some space here, don't let anybody know but
I played hooky from work yesterday afternoon and went flying.
My hangar-mate had a vehicle parked at an ag strip the other side
of Hondo and I flew him over to retrieve it. What a beautiful, crisp,
cold day to be out flying. Scout flew wonderfully and good landings
were made by all. It was humorous to see the mechanics over at the ag
repair shop all come running out to look at the Piet as we taxied up...
here are these guys all surrounded by dozens of huge crop dusters,
working on ailerons as big as an entire Piet wing, propellers that
looked like windmills, and these guys are all grins as they touched the
"real wood prop!" and fabric of an old Air Camper. Cameras came out
and they took pictures of Scout; it's good to see that airplane people
recognize and admire the classic lines of this airplane.
The frosting on the cake was after we got back to the hangar
(me with the airplane, Craig with his Jeep Waggoneer), we were standing
around talking when an honest-to-goodness Tiger Moth flew into the
pattern and started shooting touch and goes. Obviously someone was
getting instruction because there were two aboard, but the Moth was
just gorgeous... finished in silver with RAF roundels and a yellow
slash on the fuselage... and the Gipsy never missed a beat. They
probably shot a half-dozen landings, then headed off to the east
after wagging the wings. Gorgeous airplane.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | de Havilland Tiger Moth |
That looks like the one that used to be based at Oak Grove (Pappy Spinks'
airport) south of Fort Worth many years ago, when I had my J-3 Cub based
there. The Tiger Moth was just a couple of hangars down from me. Did you
get the tail number of it?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: de Havilland Tiger Moth
Here's an image that shows almost exactly the color scheme on the Moth that
we saw flying around San Geronimo Airpark yesterday. Beautiful airplane.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| From: | early builder <nx797rd(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Reflecting on Corvair College #19, Barnwell SC Nov 12-14 |
2010
Hello All,
=C2-
I was extremely excited about CC#19 and I am really happy I was there. =C2
-I wanted to pass along the perspective of a first timer. =C2-
=C2-
I came with a core to tear down (my second) =93 I succeeded. =C2-
I came to meet some people and perhaps start some friendships =93 I s
ucceeded.
I came to learn =93 I did.
=C2---I watched Roy do a small but critical repair to a stud thread hole
using a tap and some loctite. =C2-
=C2---I saw how to put pistons on rods with a torch. =C2-
=C2---I saw how to correctly install a distributor and I learned about
=9Cadvance=9D when William Wynn checked the timing on Gardnir M
asons engine and then I read=C2-William Wynn=99s article about his
Gardiner's plenums =93 and I learned a lot more.
=C2---I saw a small problem with the teeth on a crank that prevented 360
rotation, and I watched the cleanup.
=C2---I saw people take their cases apart numerous times to =9Cget
it right=9D not to =9Cget it done=9D
=C2-
It was great seeing engines in just about every stage of completion.=C2-
It provided for opportunities to see problems that can and do occur and to
see a remedy.
=C2-
And I was able to re-evaluate many of my =9Cdecisions=9D. =C2
-I have changed direction on several things. =C2-Most notably I will be
doing a front starter and dyno. =C2-Hand propping is ok on an A-65 but n
ot on a 6 cylinder corvair.
=C2-
And thanks to P.F. Beck, I got my first ride in a great Corvair Powered Pie
tenpol.=C2-
=C2-
The folks who sponsored CC #19 in Barnwell SC are absolutely the finest peo
ple you will ever meet. =C2-They welcomed us into their facilities and of
fered everything at their disposal to us. =C2-I will definitely be return
ing to Barnwell Regional next year for CC 21? and I will be leaving with a
running engine!=C2- Barnwell Regional will be one of the first places I w
ill fly my Pietenpol into as well.
=C2-
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
Pietenpol and Corvair builder
=C2-=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Reflecting on Corvair College #19, Barnwell SC Nov |
12-14 201
| From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Hey Bob, can I ride along next year?
John
Russia, oh
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| From: | David Trainer Sr <dtrain(at)ptd.net> |
| Subject: | Plans for sale $100 - Sold |
Thanks for all your interest. The plans sold very quickly.
Dave
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Reflecting on Corvair College #19, Barnwell SC Nov |
12-14 2010
Bob I will try to catch up with you next year when it gets warm, You are we
lcome to stop up and look at dad's corvair if you need any help, but it sou
nds like you're well on your way.- Keep in mind I am planning on having m
y 2nd Pietenpol gathering here in Centerburg Ohio this June, not sure of th
e exsact date yet but I will keep the list posted.-
-
Keep on truckin,
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Joy of Flying |
| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
I contributed today. Maybe next year, I'll be able to attend Brodhead, have plans
again, and will actually have started building. Maybe I'll be able to afford
to move to a neighborhood where I don't hear gunshots. Heard some for the
1st time today. Been here 2 weeks now :?
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Flying |
where is your neighborhood?
----- Original Message ----
From: GliderMike <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sat, November 20, 2010 7:10:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Joy of Flying
I contributed today. Maybe next year, I'll be able to attend Brodhead, have
plans again, and will actually have started building. Maybe I'll be able to
afford to move to a neighborhood where I don't hear gunshots. Heard some for the
1st time today. Been here 2 weeks now :?
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| Subject: | Re: Joy of Flying |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Jeff,
Thanks for the gentle push. This list is truly an asset in information and civility.
I was on another list (not Matronics) previously and left because of the
ranker. I just donated and I hope the continues.
BTW Mike, we hear gun shots all the time, but then it is hunting season. This
time of the year I don't go wandering in the woods without wearing bright orange.
This country living is great. Soon I will be able to wander around on x-country
skiis or skate on the pond that we border. Only thing missing is a runway.
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | "amsafetyc(at)aol.com" <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Flying |
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| Subject: | Re: Joy of Flying |
| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
My neighborhood is about 4 1/2 miles from the center of BTR. I'm 4.3 miles South
of the Atlantic Southeast Airlines hanger. It takes me 10 to 15 minutes to
drive to work, depending upon how many traffic lights I catch. Several of the
convenience stores lock their doors by 9 pm, and do transactions thru a sliding
drawer. Not the better part of town, but there are worse parts. I'm in this
apartment for at least 5 1/2 months, maybe longer, depending on whether I
will be able to get any overtime, or a part time second job. If I decide the
occasional gunshots here are low risk, I may stay in this apartment longer, as
I'm recovering from the cost of the move here, and recovering from the money
I spent while I was doing A&P school. Conditions are better here than when I
was in Iraq, other than you don't know who is doing the occasional gun shots here,
and whether or not they are aimed at someone or not. The gun shots I heard
in Iraq were done at the weapons check area, outside the gate. For the difference
in housing costs, if I stay here, instead of moving, I would save enough
money for the airframe portion of a Piet in a year. 2 years, and I would have
enough for the powerplant. If I do 3 piece wings, I have space to build it
in the apartment, and would be able to get it out the door, if I don't permanently
attach the horizontal tail feathers. :D Things could be a lot worse.
I like this job a lot better than the last several jobs I had. The money here
isn't anywhere near what I made in Iraq as a civilian contractor, but the job
is a lot more enjoyable. 2 1/2 years, and I'll be eligible to test for an IA
to add to my A&P rating. With an IA, I could go into the small GA stuff, or
a helicopter shop, which is what I would rather be doing. However, I like what
I am doing here, and it is so much better than the last several jobs I had,
it is worth the hardship at the present time. :D
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| Subject: | Re: Joy of Flying |
| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
Dan, are you the only one on the airport? Whether you have to share, or it is
all yours, either way, it is nice.
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
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GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Starting Wood Landing Gear |
Jerry,
Pads are going out in tomorrow's mail. I would be very interested to see how
you end up attaching them. My first thought is to just use a wood screw and
a large washer. Maybe wrapping them with string would be more
aesthetic...now I'm starting to think about it...how about wrapping with
leather, then wrapping with string and varnishing? That's how I'm doing all
my thimbles. The attached shows the first wrap. After that I decided to wrap
the entire sleeve and varnish all.
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Starting Wood Landing Gear
Thanks Gary I would like to have a piece. My axle will be very similar to
yours.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
No gunshots in my neighborhood, but plenty of that action
in other parts of San Antonio.
I flew over to Bulverde yesterday, about a 27 mi. hop that
takes me just under the fringe of the San Antonio class Charlie
airspace and right over Camp Bullis, a military training area.
It's interesting to see the firing ranges, campsites, dirt
runway, and other militaria.
Another fine day to be flying, still a bit chilly up at my
cruise altitude of about 3000', but it's supposed to top 80
degrees today and the next few days until a cold front cools
things off for Thanksgiving.
I *almost* punched Scout up above the broken cloud deck yesterday,
but by the time I got to about 4300', it was getting pretty cold
and there are about a half-dozen Victor airways all converging
at SAT in that area, I could see the main runways off my
wingtip, and I thought it prudent not to go on up. Landed on
the grass at my home field and never felt the mains touch. One
of my best landings ever, and nobody was there to see it ;o)
My friends on the KRNet talk about how their KRs are "time machines",
zipping them across the country hundreds of miles in just a few hours
and covering several states on a single tank of gas. For me, Scout
is a time machine too... when the tires leave the runway, the clock
starts unwinding as I am transported back through the decades, until
I am back in 1929 with Bernard Pietenpol, gazing down at the baled
hay, parked tractors, families in their backyards on the weekend,
and the Piet talks old-timey flying talk to my hands and feet. Yes,
it's a time machine all right... and I never want to come back.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Joy of Flying |
| From: | "GliderMike" <glidermikeg(at)yahoo.com> |
Nice Dan. I'm envious. I had wanted my own airport in the '80's, but figured
I'd need to buy a quarter section You did well. :D
Oscar, your post encourages me to get started on building. As I mentioned, my
apartment isn't in the best part of Baton Rouge, but there is room to be able
to build in the apartment. I'm ending up with a little more money in the bank
than I had guessed I would have, after taxes, and I'll get holiday pay for working
Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's day, so I will have some extra money
to buy some wood and T88. I had gotten a little depressed, because it took
a lot longer to find an A&P job, the money wasn't quite as good as I had hoped
for, I had to replace my car, and several other things. Things are starting
to look better. I am enjoying my job, even though it is working on significantly
larger aircraft than I would have preferred, but at least the aircraft
I am working on weigh less than 100,000 pounds. :o
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HOMEBUILDER
Will WORK for Spruce
Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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| From: | "Larry Morlock" <l.morlock(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Flying |
Dan, in case you don't already know, there is an interesting guy named
Howard Brandon with a strip near Murray, KY, just north of your new digs
- called "Brandon" on the St. Louis sectional chart. I've met him at
Oshkosh and several automotive swap meets. No Pietenpols, but other
interesting old airplanes and cars. Worth a visit.
Larry Morlock
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| From: | Kenneth Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Guys,
I've been reading the list on-and-off for the past several months, enjoying
the information and good humor. I participated more actively in the late
'90s. I started building in 1995, but the project was in a deep sleep for
several years due to family, career, moves, etc. I've been back at work on
the Piet for the past couple of years. I thought you'd enjoy this story.
A couple of weeks ago, we were enjoying a brief, but welcome, warm spell
here in northern Colorado. I had my hangar door open. I was in the midst
of rearranging and cleaning, in anticipation of beginning work on the
wings. A large pickup drove up with an older couple inside. They stopped
but didn't get out or even open the windows. After a couple of minutes,
curiousity got the better of me. As I walked over to the truck, the window
rolled down.
The old fellow said, "I've been trying to figure out what 'that' is."
I said, which 'that'? There are many 'thats' in my hangar. He said "The
airplane. At first I thought it was a Pietenpol, but then decided it
wasn't."
I said "Yes, it is a Pietenpol."
He said, "No, the wheels are too big."
Who knew. I might have felt differently if I'd made many deviations from
the plans; but with a very limited set of exceptions, I've followed them
scrupulously. I still haven't had the heart to tell the airplane that it's
got big feet.
Cheers, Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Building |
Oh! THAT'S a classic!
Clif
It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.
-- Epictetus (c.55-c.135)
"The airplane. At first I thought it was a Pietenpol, but then decided
it wasn't."
I said "Yes, it is a Pietenpol."
He said, "No, the wheels are too big."
Cheers, Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Building |
Big feet....fat bottoms....around here those are terms of endearment!
Classic story, thanks.
Would you mind sending some more detailed pictures of your "axle anti rotate device"?
Maybe offline?
I think John Dilatush had something along those same lines on his beautiful Pietenpol
and I've always liked the idea. Looks like you bolted them onto the axle?
Thanks Ken.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Bickers
Sent: Nov 22, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Joy of Building
Guys,
I've been reading the list on-and-off for the past several months, enjoying the
information and good humor. I participated more actively in the late '90s.
I started building in 1995, but the project was in a deep sleep for several years
due to family, career, moves, etc. I've been back at work on the Piet for
the past couple of years. I thought you'd enjoy this story.
A couple of weeks ago, we were enjoying a brief, but welcome, warm spell here in
northern Colorado. I had my hangar door open. I was in the midst of rearranging
and cleaning, in anticipation of beginning work on the wings. A large pickup
drove up with an older couple inside. They stopped but didn't get out or
even open the windows. After a couple of minutes, curiousity got the better
of me. As I walked over to the truck, the window rolled down.
The old fellow said, "I've been trying to figure out what 'that' is."
I said, which 'that'? There are many 'thats' in my hangar. He said "The airplane.
At first I thought it was a Pietenpol, but then decided it wasn't."
I said "Yes, it is a Pietenpol."
He said, "No, the wheels are too big."
Who knew. I might have felt differently if I'd made many deviations from the plans;
but with a very limited set of exceptions, I've followed them scrupulously.
I still haven't had the heart to tell the airplane that it's got big feet.
Cheers, Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Corvair builders,
Are you using =BC=94 or 3/8=94 fuel line? Shad ' what size is your
fuel line?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down=85)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | the Ford A engine |
Every now and then I'm reminded about the rich chest of treasures
that we have in Chris Tracy's WestCoastPiet site. I was scrounging
around this morning trying to find a good representative picture
of the Ford A engine installation to show a non-flying friend how
the radiator is set up in the Piet, and I went to go retrieve a
couple of representative samples. Dan Helsper's, Larry Williams'...
and then I remembered Ken Perkins.
If you ever want to just gaze at a picture of a beautiful engine
setup, just gaze at "orange Piet". Classic, beautiful setup
(but not to detract from the others!)
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Ken%20Perkins/images/17_orange_piet.jpg
There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of emeralds, rubies, and
diamonds just waiting among the photos at WestCoastPiet...
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Building |
| From: | Kenneth Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Jim,
Attached are two pictures of my axle anti rotate device, actually a
four-link. My original plan was to do the pair of vertical pins that others
have used. I didn't like the idea of drilling holes on the vertical axis of
the axle. When I saw a reference to the Dilutch (sp?) system, I thought
that might be the way to go.
Getting the exact alignment for a parallelogram is important. So it seemed
more prudent to build them on a separate set of stubby tubes that I could
easily handle on my work bench. Then they could simply be bolted in place.
Better, the bolts could be aligned on the horizontal axis (i.e. neutral) of
the axle. I did shift to a much thicker wall for the rear spreader tube,
something on the order of 0.095, to resist bending and twisting forces on
it. I also offset the rear spreader by about an inch. Using this system,
the distance between the axle and the spreader determines the amount of
vertical play in the suspension system (though only at the mid-point of the
axle).
Attached are two pictures (the bolts in the pics are simple hardware store
variety. They'll be replaced with AN at final assembly).
Cheers, Ken
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Jim Markle wrote:
> jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
>
> Big feet....fat bottoms....around here those are terms of endearment!
>
> Classic story, thanks.
>
> Would you mind sending some more detailed pictures of your "axle anti
> rotate device"? Maybe offline?
>
> I think John Dilatush had something along those same lines on his beautiful
> Pietenpol and I've always liked the idea. Looks like you bolted them onto
> the axle?
>
> Thanks Ken.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Kenneth Bickers
>
> Sent: Nov 22, 2010 10:35 PM
>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Joy of Building
>
>
> Guys,
>
> I've been reading the list on-and-off for the past several months, enjoying
> the information and good humor. I participated more actively in the late
> '90s. I started building in 1995, but the project was in a deep sleep for
> several years due to family, career, moves, etc. I've been back at work on
> the Piet for the past couple of years. I thought you'd enjoy this story.
>
>
> A couple of weeks ago, we were enjoying a brief, but welcome, warm spell
> here in northern Colorado. I had my hangar door open. I was in the midst
> of rearranging and cleaning, in anticipation of beginning work on the wings.
> A large pickup drove up with an older couple inside. They stopped but
> didn't get out or even open the windows. After a couple of minutes,
> curiousity got the better of me. As I walked over to the truck, the window
> rolled down.
>
>
> The old fellow said, "I've been trying to figure out what 'that' is."
>
> I said, which 'that'? There are many 'thats' in my hangar. He said "The
> airplane. At first I thought it was a Pietenpol, but then decided it
> wasn't."
>
> I said "Yes, it is a Pietenpol."
>
> He said, "No, the wheels are too big."
>
> Who knew. I might have felt differently if I'd made many deviations from
> the plans; but with a very limited set of exceptions, I've followed them
> scrupulously. I still haven't had the heart to tell the airplane that it's
> got big feet.
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fuel line size |
| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
I used 3/8 in line on mine,and I have an A-65
Ben
On 11/23/10, Gary Boothe wrote:
> Corvair builders,
>
>
> Are you using or 3/8 fuel line? Shad what size is your fuel line?
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (22 ribs down)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | a few more yard monkey things to do |
The yard is dark the leaves are bleak and few more yard monkey things to do
before I sleep. We are getting down to the wire yes the frost has done its
work a no more lawn to contend with, no more fence to rebuild, done! no
more leaves to rake, gather and grind. just one more project and one more
trip to go. I got to finish installing the jet pump into the hot tub/spa and
one more business trip out of town.
As the holiday season quickly approaches now becomes the time of
Buildapalooza 2010. I been colleting parts, metal ad buying more tools to make
the
job go a bit smoother and on Friday, the black one while others are tripping
over each other tryng and fighting to deposit their hard earned cash ito
the pocket of Mr. retailer and Wally world, well I am cleaning my shop
organizing the tools and getting ready to begin the adventure once again.
I can think of no better way to celebrate commerce than with the reuniting
with my shop, tools and most importantly my beloved Piet project. There are
those days I feel like a junkie going through withdrawal looking to score
on some saw dust, some welding fumes or just a whiff epoxy resin to kick up
my allergies to the stuff. Soon I'll be clamping my fingers in the vice,
grinding off its of skin and making my blood contribution to her, my
mistress, she who cannot be ignored, I will begin in the morning and work into
the
evening hours, fitting, drilling sanding, grinding and doing the builders
dance as we prepare to go to her coming out party on the last week in July
just before Oshkosh. Oh what a celebration it will be, there will be the
meeting of new friends, ogling of the new Piet Princesses and the telling of
lies and the overboard consumption of beets in the hot sun of the
Wisconsin, Brodhead Brats,beets, Piets tents and flatulence, What a time it is
and
will be as the Piets promenade up and down the cotillion field displaying
their colors and making their dates proud to be a member of such a
distinguished group of builders.It is the culmination of thousands of hours, dollars
and Buildapaloozas that make this such a special event looking forward to
each coming year as no 2 years are ever the same, just proud Pieters old
and new standing tall, looking for ideas, friends, tools and the safe
anointment of the newest Axel Oleson
Its not even December yet and I am counting down the days till that magical
weekend in July as the adventure of the love affair continues.
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: a few more yard monkey things to do |
John:
I was in tears! That's better than "The Night Before Christmas."
Stinemetze
N328X
>>> 11/23/2010 7:54 AM >>>
As the holiday season quickly approaches now becomes the time of Buildapalo
oza 2010. I been colleting parts, metal ad buying more tools to make the
job go a bit smoother and on Friday, the black one while others are
tripping over each other tryng and fighting to deposit their hard earned
cash ito the pocket of Mr. retailer and Wally world, well I am cleaning my
shop organizing the tools and getting ready to begin the adventure once
again.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
Just finished rebuilding the mits engine, going back to the Dyno one more time,
then on the airframe for tests with the prop.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320598#320598
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1219_840.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1218_634.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1217_261.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1216_596.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1215_863.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fuel line size |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Gary,
3/8 for Fuel
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 7:37 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel line size
Corvair builders,
Are you using =C2=BC=9D or 3/8=9D fuel line? Shad =93 wha
t size is your fuel line?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down)
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| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Guys
Can anyone recommend a place that makes custom aluminum fuel tanks?
thanks
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Heringhaus" <don.h(at)wcoil.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Building |
Looks good to me Maybe the ole man needs new glasses
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
| From: | Ken Chambers <ken.riffic(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Chris
Are you building this with a reduction drive? Seems like a saw a photo from
Broadhead with a reduction drive on it.
Ken
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:
> >
>
> Just finished rebuilding the mits engine, going back to the Dyno one more
> time, then on the airframe for tests with the prop.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320598#320598
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1219_840.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1218_634.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1217_261.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1216_596.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1215_863.jpg
>
>
--
Ken Chambers
512-796-1798
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mitsubishi Engine ready to get installed... |
| From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)lakefield.net> |
it will have a bearing housing that is not installed yet......i will post more
pictures as i finish putting on all of the accessories. I plan on video taping
the dyno runs, i will post links to those also.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320609#320609
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Joy of Building |
This is excellent, thanks!
And that's some nice welding!
Thanks very much Ken.
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Bickers
Sent: Nov 23, 2010 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Joy of Building
Jim,
Attached are two pictures of my axle anti rotate device, actually a four-link.
My original plan was to do the pair of vertical pins that others have used. I
didn't like the idea of drilling holes on the vertical axis of the axle. When
I saw a reference to the Dilutch (sp?) system, I thought that might be the way
to go.
Getting the exact alignment for a parallelogram is important. So it seemed more
prudent to build them on a separate set of stubby tubes that I could easily handle
on my work bench. Then they could simply be bolted in place. Better, the
bolts could be aligned on the horizontal axis (i.e. neutral) of the axle. I
did shift to a much thicker wall for the rear spreader tube, something on the
order of 0.095, to resist bending and twisting forces on it. I also offset the
rear spreader by about an inch. Using this system, the distance between the
axle and the spreader determines the amount of vertical play in the suspension
system (though only at the mid-point of the axle).
Attached are two pictures (the bolts in the pics are simple hardware store variety.
They'll be replaced with AN at final assembly).
Cheers, Ken
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Jim Markle wrote:
Big feet....fat bottoms....around here those are terms of endearment!
Classic story, thanks.
Would you mind sending some more detailed pictures of your "axle anti rotate device"?
Maybe offline?
I think John Dilatush had something along those same lines on his beautiful Pietenpol
and I've always liked the idea. Looks like you bolted them onto the axle?
Thanks Ken.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Bickers
Sent: Nov 22, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Joy of Building
Guys,
I've been reading the list on-and-off for the past several months, enjoying the
information and good humor. I participated more actively in the late '90s.
I started building in 1995, but the project was in a deep sleep for several years
due to family, career, moves, etc. I've been back at work on the Piet for
the past couple of years. I thought you'd enjoy this story.
A couple of weeks ago, we were enjoying a brief, but welcome, warm spell here in
northern Colorado. I had my hangar door open. I was in the midst of rearranging
and cleaning, in anticipation of beginning work on the wings. A large pickup
drove up with an older couple inside. They stopped but didn't get out or
even open the windows. After a couple of minutes, curiousity got the better
of me. As I walked over to the truck, the window rolled down.
The old fellow said, "I've been trying to figure out what 'that' is."
I said, which 'that'? There are many 'thats' in my hangar. He said "The airplane.
At first I thought it was a Pietenpol, but then decided it wasn't."
I said "Yes, it is a Pietenpol."
He said, "No, the wheels are too big."
Who knew. I might have felt differently if I'd made many deviations from the plans;
but with a very limited set of exceptions, I've followed them scrupulously.
I still haven't had the heart to tell the airplane that it's got big feet.
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| From: | TGSTONE236(at)aol.com |
Try _www.aluminungastanks.net_ (http://www.aluminungastanks.net)
They will do what you want, I was satisfied with them.
Ted Stone/ building a piet
In a message dated 11/23/2010 10:05:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
at7000ft(at)gmail.com writes:
Guys
Can anyone recommend a place that makes custom aluminum fuel tanks?
thanks
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
Wow, great site!
This link will work:
http://www.aluminumgastanks.net/
-----Original Message-----
From: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
Sent: Nov 23, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tank
Try www.aluminungastanks.net
They will do what you want, I was satisfied with them.
Ted Stone/ building a piet
In a message dated 11/23/2010 10:05:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
at7000ft(at)gmail.com writes:
Guys
Can anyone recommend a place that makes custom aluminum
fuel tanks?
thanks
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock,
Colorado
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel line size |
Haven't gotten that far yet! Chuck cncampbell(at)windstream.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 8:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel line size
Corvair builders,
Are you using =BC" or 3/8" fuel line? Shad - what size is your fuel
line?
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(22 ribs down.)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "integritywood" <kim.integrity(at)gmail.com> |
Hi all
First the intro before the questions and off the wall comments. 25 years or so
ago, as a kid, I dreamed of building and flying my own plane. Looking back it
likely would have been built of 2x6 and 3/8 inch plywood, weighed in at 3500 lbs
empty, and been powered by a snowmobile engine. Oh the optimism of youth! Then
came real life, having a family making a living, etc... But the dream of
flight stayed nestled quietly in the back of my mind, fanned once in a while with
a ride or even just watching a small plane fly by. A year and a half or so
ago the ember started glowing brighter again and with a little encouragement
burst into a flaming desire I can't seem to extinguish (okay I'm not trying very
hard).
with a little research on the web I found building my own plane wasn't so off the
wall (although with a slightly modified materials list). Then I found the Pietenpol.
Ever since I first saw her I want her so bad I can taste it. Ive lurked
here daily in the last year trying to learn all I could about her but to shy
to speak up till I could say Ive started building. Well Ive started. Finished
my rib jig yest and started cutting pieces, What a feeling. My wife is doing
very well with it considering small planes scare her. I tell her many Piets
take 10 or more years to complete so she doesn't have to worry for a while [Wink]
Anyhow, thanks Cliff for your kindly reply to my email the other day and
Michael for your hint video's.
See you around
Kim(ball)
--------
"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10 years
from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H. Pietenpol
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320629#320629
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Kim,
Welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols and the even more wonderful
world of Pietenpol People. You will find this to be a life-changing
experience. With this airplane project you will find many challenges and
rewards, frustrations and moments of great pride. With this list you will
find much good information, some bad information, much extraneous
information, a wealth of humor, some excellent sarcasm, and a number of
never-to-be-expected friends.
Just to beat Mike Cuy to saying it, if you haven't already, please buy the
four Tony Bingelis books from EAA - The Sportplane Builder, Sportplane
Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis on Engines.
They are excellent sources of information and contain just about everything
you need to know to build an airplane. Whatever information they lack can
be acquired here or at one of the forums at Oshkosh or Sun 'n' Fun.
Plan to attend Brodhead if possible. Next year it will be Friday July 22 -
Sunday July 24. That will be your best chance to see a fairly large number
of Pietenpols all in one place.
Are you a pilot yet? If not, go ahead and get your license while building
your Pietenpol. Where are you located?
Good Luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
integritywood
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder
Hi all
First the intro before the questions and off the wall comments. 25 years or
so ago, as a kid, I dreamed of building and flying my own plane. Looking
back it likely would have been built of 2x6 and 3/8 inch plywood, weighed in
at 3500 lbs empty, and been powered by a snowmobile engine. Oh the optimism
of youth! Then came real life, having a family making a living, etc... But
the dream of flight stayed nestled quietly in the back of my mind, fanned
once in a while with a ride or even just watching a small plane fly by. A
year and a half or so ago the ember started glowing brighter again and with
a little encouragement burst into a flaming desire I can't seem to
extinguish (okay I'm not trying very hard).
with a little research on the web I found building my own plane wasn't so
off the wall (although with a slightly modified materials list). Then I
found the Pietenpol. Ever since I first saw her I want her so bad I can
taste it. Ive lurked here daily in the last year trying to learn all I could
about her but to shy to speak up till I could say Ive started building. Well
Ive started. Finished my rib jig yest and started cutting pieces, What a
feeling. My wife is doing very well with it considering small planes scare
her. I tell her many Piets take 10 or more years to complete so she doesn't
have to worry for a while [Wink] Anyhow, thanks Cliff for your kindly reply
to my email the other day and Michael for your hint video's.
See you around
Kim(ball)
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"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10
years from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H. Pietenpol
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel line size |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
3/8" Gary
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Rib capstrip grain runout |
| From: | "integritywood" <kim.integrity(at)gmail.com> |
Hi
I've read numerous comments on ribs being over built. Some of my capstris have
up to 1:6 grain runout. Are the ribs stout enough I can use this up in the webbing
or do I need to cull this out? (see attached photo.
thanks
Kim
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| Subject: | Re: a few more yard monkey things to do |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Who said a PHD would go to waste on John?
Nicely put, my friend.
Whoever gets "Axel" in 2011 will have to be known as "Axel II." I earned that
nickname.
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NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Two in one day!!! You guys are growing!
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| Subject: | Re: Rib capstrip grain runout |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Personally, I'd use the top ones and cull the bottom one based on the photo.
Hopefully the A&Ps and IAs will weigh in.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
In the military anytime a new guy comes on the scene he is called a
Newby. That's me. Name is Chuck Campbell. Dan Helsper led me to this
list. I have been building an AirCamper since last May. Have all the
ribs done, the tail surfaces done except for varnishing and
covering/painting. Fuselage is about half done. Have the wood for the
wing spars. Just need to rip them to the proper width. Am getting
ready to installl the controls in the fuselage. As soon as that is
complete I can put on the plywood sides, seats, turtle-back etc. I have
just about all the metal pieces ready to go. Dan has been helping me by
showing me how to get to the Stewart glue videos. I want some info from
some of you guys (like Shad Bell and Rick Holland) who used house paint.
I don't have access to a paint booth to use the Stewart paint system.
All I have is a couple of paint brushes. Any word of advice from any of
you would be appreciated. I've been flying about all of my adult life
but am plowing new ground building this Piet.
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Hans, I keep an 8X10 picture of your Piet on or around my project as
inspiration. I'm also planning to use a William Wynn Corvair in my Piet
-- eventually.
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Kimball:
Your story sounds a whole lot like my own. I started at year 54 and am
still making good progress at year 60 with a couple of intervals of slow
work and frustration. So, just a quick word of advice (and worth every
penny):
Seek out your local EAA chapter if you have one and cultivate the guys who
either are building or have already built some kind of airplane.
Avoid the guys who just like to talk but have never built anything for
themselves.
Buy the full set of Tony Bingillis (sp) books from the EAA bookstore and
READ THEM.
Get the videos from Mike Cuy (http://www.flyingwood.com/NX48MC.htm) and
Chuck Gantzer (http://nx770cg.com/) and go to sleep watching them often.
And above all - Stay On This List!!!! Ask the questions no matter how
dumb it might make you feel. If these guys ever put you down it will be
in jest and will probably be followed by great advice.
Decide on your engine of choice early on as this affects some of your
later decisions. (Yes, there are other acceptable choices that are not
certifiable aircraft engines.)
When you hit one of those discouraging moments (and you will), share it
with the group. We have all been there and can help get you through it.
Beware the eBay aircraft instrument factory.
Welcome to the wonderful world of the Fabulous Pietenpol Flying Machine!
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> "integritywood" 11/23/2010 12:46 PM >>>
I tell her many Piets take 10 or more years to complete so she doesn't
have to worry for a while [Wink] Anyhow, thanks Cliff for your kindly
reply to my email the other day and Michael for your hint video's.
See you around
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: a few more yard monkey things to do |
True enough, however since you were the original single Axel, you should be
the only one with the stripes to award the next follower as the double
Axel. Is this honor belongs to you and you only I doubt we will ever see the
likes of a double Axel landing.
Its all on you my man!
I could never get those quite straight in my mind
single Axel. triple sow cow, double toe loop, ground loop, double malt and
the obligatory single barrel .single shot and the over under.
Anyone care to assist in this endeavor?
Do not eve think of archiving, till we get this mess straightened out.
John
I think I am gonna get groped on my next trip out, it makes flying into
midway a whole new experience, I am going to demand a female TSA groper,
otherwise its my junk is bigger that your junk kinda day!
In a message dated 11/23/2010 2:35:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee"
Who said a PHD would go to waste on John?
Nicely put, my friend.
Whoever gets "Axel" in 2011 will have to be known as "Axel II." I earned
that nickname.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: a few more yard monkey things to do |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
A couple of more hours of cure time, and my second half of my fuselage will be
coming out of it's jig!
Home is where the homebuilt is,
Curt Merdan
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib capstrip grain runout |
I agree with Kevin. You may be able to use parts of that strip with
less runout for the cross braces, though.
Ben
On 11/23/2010 2:37 PM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee"
>
> Personally, I'd use the top ones and cull the bottom one based on the photo.
>
> Hopefully the A&Ps and IAs will weigh in.
>
> --------
> Kevin"Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320636#320636
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rib capstrip grain runout |
| From: | Kimball Isaac <kim.integrity(at)gmail.com> |
Appreciate the advice. I guess that's why I joined the list
On 2010-11-23 4:22 PM, "Ben Charvet" wrote:
>
> I agree with Kevin. You may be able to use parts of that strip with
> less runout for the cross braces, though.
>
> Ben
> On 11/23/2010 2:37 PM, kevinpurtee wrote:
kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>>
>> Personally, I'd use the top ones and cull the bottom one based on the
photo.
>>
>> Hopefully the A&Ps and IAs will weigh in.
>>
>> --------
>> Kevin"Axel" Purtee
>> NX899KP
>> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=320636#320636
>>
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>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: a few more yard monkey things to do |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Now THAT'S what I'm talk'n 'bout............. Been wait'n for this rant for
weeks!!....................Look'n forward to the winter, now that thats ou
t of the way. Have a few projects to take care of. Engine problems, fuel ta
nk leaks etc.,,................. but they all seem to shrink in scope, aft
er hear'n the annual autumn "end of yard work season" rant from J.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: AMsafetyC <AMsafetyC(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 23, 2010 7:58 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a few more yard monkey things to do
The yard is dark the leaves are bleak and few more yard monkey things to do
before I sleep. We are getting down to the wire yes the frost has done its
work a no more lawn to contend with, no more fence to rebuild, done! no mo
re leaves to rake, gather and grind. just one more project and one more tri
p to go. I got to finish installing the jet pump into the hot tub/spa and o
ne more business trip out of town.
As the holiday season quickly approaches now becomes the time of Buildapalo
oza 2010. I been colleting parts, metal ad buying more tools to make the jo
b go a bit smoother and on Friday, the black one while others are tripping
over each other tryng and fighting to deposit their hard earned cash ito th
e pocket of Mr. retailer and Wally world, well I am cleaning my shop organi
zing the tools and getting ready to begin the adventure once again.
I can think of no better way to celebrate commerce than with the reuniting
with my shop, tools and most importantly my beloved Piet project. There are
those days I feel like a junkie going through withdrawal looking to score
on some saw dust, some welding fumes or just a whiff epoxy resin to kick up
my allergies to the stuff. Soon I'll be clamping my fingers in the vice, g
rinding off its of skin and making my blood contribution to her, my mistres
s, she who cannot be ignored, I will begin in the morning and work into the
evening hours, fitting, drilling sanding, grinding and doing the builders
dance as we prepare to go to her coming out party on the last week in July
just before Oshkosh. Oh what a celebration it will be, there will be the me
eting of new friends, ogling of the new Piet Princesses and the telling of
lies and the overboard consumption of beets in the hot sun of the Wisconsi
n, Brodhead Brats,beets, Piets tents and flatulence, What a time it is and
will be as the Piets promenade up and down the cotillion field displaying t
heir colors and making their dates proud to be a member of such a distingui
shed group of builders.It is the culmination of thousands of hours, dollars
and Buildapaloozas that make this such a special event looking forward to
each coming year as no 2 years are ever the same, just proud Pieters old
and new standing tall, looking for ideas, friends, tools and the safe anoin
tment of the newest Axel Oleson
Its not even December yet and I am counting down the days till that magical
weekend in July as the adventure of the love affair continues.
John
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Rib capstrip grain runout |
Kim,
I would cull them ALL out, send them to Jack Textor, Des Moines and I will
use them for kindling. Seriously, the ribs are twice the size they need to
be, Use the ones you are concerned with in the webbing, to stir epoxy or
whatever. Enjoy the build!
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
integritywood
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib capstrip grain runout
Hi
I've read numerous comments on ribs being over built. Some of my capstris
have up to 1:6 grain runout. Are the ribs stout enough I can use this up in
the webbing or do I need to cull this out? (see attached photo.
thanks
Kim
--------
"She is about as hot as you'll ever find a plane and I'll bet that 10
years from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H. Pietenpol
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| From: | "integritywood" <kim.integrity(at)gmail.com> |
Good evening and thanks for the welcome.
Glad to be able to say I have Bingelis's "famous four" you can put away your voodoo
doll Mike. I have also read them, some parts more than once. Jack I live
in the Central Interior of British Columbia. I am hinting quite openly at a trip
to Wisconsin next summer we have friends there. Tom I'm starting in year 36
hope to be in it before I'm 50. (Do I have to multiply by 2 Mike?) In your advised
video list you forgot TGWP. I also hope to stick close to the plans Tim
as I don't need any extra weight. I'm 245 and falling. should help if I build
over meal times which I can as I'm self employed and work at home.
Cheers
Kim
100's of pieces cut
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from now the design will be pretty warm still." B. H. Pietenpol
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| Subject: | Inspiration for winter building |
| From: | Kenneth Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Guys,
For those of us looking for additional motivation for the winter building
season, it is nice to draw inspiration from the summer extravaganzas of
ingatherings of Pietenpols and other wonderful flying machines. Follow the
link to the slide show that my son, Kevin, put together after our trip to
Brodhead and Oshkosh in 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcn-QjPl8N8.
Even our dog is looking forward to the winter building season.
Cheers, Ken
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Rib capstrip grain runout |
The top three are OK Kim. The bottom one I wouldn't
use for anything longer than the runout. So four, maybe
five inches would be OK since a couple of inches will
be under the gussets. Also, you want the straightest
grain for the top capstrip as there's quite a bit of bending
stress, especially near the nose.
I know what you mean about not getting to fly. After doing
mine through Air Cadets in '60 there wasn't the money
to fly and educate so 50 years later I are again a pilot. It's
taken a lot more time to solo at 67 than it did at 17!!!
Especialy in a 100hp Citabria. Although to be fair, first
time around it was a Fleet 80 Canuck. Fully aerobatic,
cruise at 90, vne 160! I'm still surprised I actually made it
past my 18th birthday! I did manage to exceed 160 in CF-DQR,
but that's another story. :-)
http://pcmuseum.tripod.com/dc3/canuckother.htm
Clif
Some of my capstris have up to 1:6 grain runout. Are the ribs stout enough
I can use this up in the webbing or do I need to cull this out? (see
attached photo.
> thanks
> Kim
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
What a great, encouraging collection of emails this morning!! I'm gonna go
out and work on my new (second) cowling for a while!!!
Welcome all you new guys, I really have nothing to add to the great words of
wisdom previously shared, other than take them to heart.
Great going Chris on your engine, can't wait to hear the numbers once she
runs.
Let's all make the shavings/chips/fabric fly this winter and hit Brodhead
running next year!!
Everyone have a blessed Thanksgiving. Just spent a week in Haiti, and
whatever is happening here that we don't like. we are still incredibly,
absolutely, abundantly blessed and provided for here in America, and have
MUCH to be thankful for. Long may it be.
Douwe
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
Hey everybody,
My new cowling is fiberglass and I want to put some louvers on it. I want
to find some aluminum louvers that I could bond onto it, but don't now where
to look. I know I could form some myself, but I'd really like to find
something premade that I could make to work. A sheet with some in it would
be fine and I could cut out what I need.
Any thoughts??
Douwe
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| From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
Can you wait until April?
Mittler Brothers has had a booth at Sun 'n Fun for quite a few years. They've graciously
lent us some of their toys in the metal shaping workshop while they're
there, so we've had a good working relationship with them. IIRC, they've historically
brought a press and louvering dies for demonstration. We could probably
talk Bill into letting us make a set.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Nov 24, 2010 9:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: where can I get some louvers for my cowling
Hey everybody,
My new cowling is fiberglass and I want to put some louvers on it. I want to find
some aluminum louvers that I could bond onto it, but dont now where to look.
I know I could form some myself, but Id really like to find something premade
that I could make to work. A sheet with some in it would be fine and I could
cut out what I need.
Any thoughts??
Douwe
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
http://www.hotrodlouvers.com/index.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Nov 24, 2010 8:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: where can I get some louvers for my cowling
Hey everybody,
My new cowling is fiberglass and I want to put some louvers
on it. I want to find some aluminum louvers that I could bond onto it, but dont
now where to look. I know I could form some myself, but Id really like
to find something premade that I could make to work. A sheet with some in it
would be fine and I could cut out what I need.
Any thoughts??
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I did a "hood louvers" search on ebay and found what I think you are looking for.
Louvers made from aluminum about 4" X 8". About $25
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Douwe
I have been looking too, for my current project.
Here are some links:
http://www.averytools.com/products.asp?dept=4
http://www.hoodlouvers.com/products.html#productshood
http://www.midgetlouver.com/products/rls_series.htm
If you want make your own try this link:
http://www.tinmantech.com/
Hans
NX15KV
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From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 8:07 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: where can I get some louvers for my cowling
Hey everybody,
My new cowling is fiberglass and I want to put some louvers on it. I want
to find some aluminum louvers that I could bond onto it, but don=99t
now where to look. I know I could form some myself, but I=99d really
like to find something premade that I could make to work. A sheet with so
me in it would be fine and I could cut out what I need.
Any thoughts??
Douwe
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
Douwe, I had mine made at Quality Machine and Fabrication, 109 Lukken Dr. W
. =0ALagrange Ga. 706 884 3105. They were stamped out of a single piece of
alum. They =0Alook very nice and are hinged so I can get inside. He has onl
y one size but he =0Acan bunch them together, Cheers, Gardiner Mason=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Douwe Blumberg <douweblum
berg(at)earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpolgroup =0AS
ent: Wed, November 24, 2010 9:03:07 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: where can
I get some louvers for my cowling=0A=0A =0AHey everybody,=0A =0AMy new cow
ling is fiberglass and I want to put some louvers on it. I want to =0Afind
some aluminum louvers that I could bond onto it, but don=99t now whe
re to =0Alook. I know I could form some myself, but I=99d really lik
e to find something =0Apremade that I could make to work. A sheet with som
e in it would be fine and I =0Acould cut out what I need.=0A =0AAny thought
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| Subject: | Louvers---some side info |
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| From: | norm <coevst(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: where can I get some louvers for my cowling |
Home Depot ,, attic or gable end vents ,just cut out the area you need .=C2
-cheap =0Alouvers=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Dou
we Blumberg =0ATo: pietenpolgroup =0ASent: Wed, November 24, 2010 9:03:07 AM=0ASubject: Pie
tenpol-List: where can I get some louvers for my cowling=0A=0A=0AHey everyb
ody,=0A=C2-=0AMy new cowling is fiberglass and I want to put some louvers
on it.=C2- I want to =0Afind some aluminum louvers that I could bond ont
o it, but don=99t now where to =0Alook.=C2- I know I could form som
e myself, but I=99d really like to find something =0Apremade that I c
ould make to work.=C2- A sheet with some in it would be fine and I =0Acou
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | carb heat air scoop-- from Boater's World |
I picked this gem up at Boater's World about 5 minutes from work one day to
use
as my carb heat muff air inlet scoop.
http://www.boatersworld.com/product/MP80738592.htm
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Good to see you've made it to the list Charles! You are moving very fast on
your project and I still think you will be done before I will! Welcome abo
ard, sir! (S!)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Tue, 11/23/10, Charles Campbell wrote:
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newby
Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 2:26 PM
In the military anytime a new guy comes on the scene he is called a Newby.
- That's me.- Name is Chuck Campbell.- Dan Helsper led me to this lis
t.- I have been building an AirCamper since last May.- Have all the rib
s done, the tail surfaces done except for varnishing and covering/painting.
- Fuselage is about half done.- Have the wood for the wing spars.- Ju
st need to rip them to the proper width.- Am getting ready to installl th
e controls in the fuselage.- As soon as that is complete I can put on the
plywood sides, seats, turtle-back etc.- I have just about all the metal
pieces ready to go.- Dan has been helping me-by showing me how to get t
o the Stewart glue videos.- I want some info from some of you guys (like
Shad Bell and Rick Holland)-who used house paint.- I don't have access
to a paint booth to use the Stewart paint system.- All I have is a couple
of paint brushes.- Any word of advice from any of you would be appreciat
ed.- I've
been flying about all of my adult life but am plowing new ground building
this Piet.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Welcome to the list Kim! Keep us informed with your progress and feel free
to post pictures. As always, if I may assist, drop me a line.
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