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March 04, 2011 - March 15, 2011
On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:
> Jack, you're going to shoot me when I show up at Brodhead (probably
next year) with a Corvair without the 5th bearing. I want to use the
stock oil system and don't know how I would get oil to a fifth bearing.
Chuck
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Phillips
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:03 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
>
> I merely mentioned that I was still on a moratorium (for 17 more days
now). Or were you referring my use of the work Crankshaft as a =93C=94
word? I realize there are many areas of concern for Corvair owners '
it=92s difficult to stay away from all of them.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
> Raleigh, NC
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of V Groah
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:54 AM
> To: piet list
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
>
> Jack, I do not want to sound in any way critical, but you mentioned
the C word again.
>
> From: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:42:57 -0500
>
> Jack Phillips, amen and AMEN to your 9:59 AM post. I have never seen,
much less flown, an airplane with a rudder bar. All my time (68 years
this past January) has been in planes with rudder pedals and toe brakes.
So I couldn't comment on rudder bars if I wanted to. Some of the
comments did get a bit testy.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Phillips
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:59 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
>
> Since I=92m on a self-imposed moratorium (for 18 more days) on noting
the dangers of using a Corvair to power an airplane, I=92ve enjoyed the
discussion about rudder bar materials. However, I want to point out
that we are getting dangerously close to being as unfriendly, unhelpful
and downright mean as the RV-10 List has gotten.
> I think a lot of us (myself included) felt that Michael Perez had
asked what materials people had used on their rudder bars, and then,
when reasons were advanced why stainless steel should NOT be used, he
announced that he would use it anyway. This was often the behavior of
The Fisherman, of years past, who would propose to do something and ask
if there was a problem. Several people would go to the trouble of
explaning exactly why this might be a problem, and then he would
announce that he would proceed with his way anyhow. He was not looking
for advice, but for validation for his choice.
> However, this was NOT the situation on the rudder bar discussion. In
this situation, Ken Heide initially asked about using cold rolled tubing
(?) for the rudder bar instead of =93structural tubing=94. Mr. Perez
indicated that he had used .035=94 wall stainless steel for his ALREADY
CONSTRUCTED rudder bar. He was neither asking for advice or validation.
As he said repeatedly, in several emails, =94 I feel comfortable with
my rudder bar set up.=94
> I think we owe Michael an apology. It is absolutely his choice what
materials to use. It is our choice whether we would fly in such an
airplane or not. That=92s the beauty of Experimental Aviation. I
suspect that after all the hoopla over his choice of materials, Michael
will make it a point on his preflight inspections to check the rudder
bar for cracking. Stainless steel is not so bad a material that it will
fail catastrophically without yielding and with no warning.
> The great thing about this List (and I really feel that the Pietenpol
List is unique in this) is that people feel welcome to ask questions and
offer advice. There is no =93credentialing=94 to determine who is able
to offer advice, so it takes a while to figure out who knows what
they=92re talking about and who doesn=92t. I don=92t think any of us
want to see this list get so vitriolic that people are afraid to ask
questions or offer advice for fear of being publicly ridiculed.
> Remember, =93We=92re all Snowflakes=94. No two Pietenpols are
identical, and we=92ve all made changes to the design (horror of
horrors, Dan Helsper is now adding electronic ignition, and an
electrical system to support it, to his pristine Model A Pietenpol). I
myself had a forced landing in my Pietenpol because I used stainless
steel (there=92s that word again) wool in the heat muffs for carb heat.
Even a reliable old Continental can=92t run very well when it ingests a
wad of stainless steel. Thank goodness the crankshaft didn=92t snap.
> Let=92s try to keep it friendly and remember that as much as we love
these airplanes, the really valuable thing about being involved with
Pietenpols is the friendships we gain through this airplane. Some of
the people I=92ve met on this list I now count as my very best friends.
> Only 141 more days until Brodhead.
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 (which plummeted through trying to
digest stainless steel)
> Raleigh, NC
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
That stock oil system will be a boon when the crankshaft snaps.....
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Charles Campbell
wrote:
> Jack, you're going to shoot me when I show up at Brodhead (probably next
> year) with a Corvair without the 5th bearing. I want to use the stock oi
l
> system and don't know how I would get oil to a fifth bearing. Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jack Phillips
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2011 12:03 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
>
> I merely mentioned that I was still on a moratorium (for 17 more days
> now). Or were you referring my use of the work Crankshaft as a =93C=94 w
ord? I
> realize there are many areas of concern for Corvair owners ' it=92s dif
ficult
> to stay away from all of them.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *V Groah
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2011 11:54 AM
>
> *To:* piet list
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
>
>
> Jack, I do not want to sound in any way critical, but you mentioned the
> C word again.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:42:57 -0500
>
> Jack Phillips, amen and AMEN to your 9:59 AM post. I have never seen,
> much less flown, an airplane with a rudder bar. All my time (68 years th
is
> past January) has been in planes with rudder pedals and toe brakes. So I
> couldn't comment on rudder bars if I wanted to. Some of the comments did
> get a bit testy.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Jack Phillips
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:59 AM
>
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
>
>
> Since I=92m on a self-imposed moratorium (for 18 more days) on noting the
dangers
> of using a Corvair to power an airplane, I=92ve enjoyed the discussion ab
out
> rudder bar materials. However, I want to point out that we are getting
> dangerously close to being as unfriendly, unhelpful and downright mean as
> the RV-10 List has gotten.
>
> I think a lot of us (myself included) felt that Michael Perez had asked
> what materials people had used on their rudder bars, and then, when reaso
ns
> were advanced why stainless steel should NOT be used, he announced that h
e
> would use it anyway. This was often the behavior of The Fisherman, of ye
ars
> past, who would propose to do something and ask if there was a problem.
> Several people would go to the trouble of explaning exactly why this migh
t
> be a problem, and then he would announce that he would proceed with his w
ay
> anyhow. He was not looking for advice, but for validation for his choice
.
>
> However, this was NOT the situation on the rudder bar discussion. In thi
s
> situation, Ken Heide initially asked about using cold rolled tubing (?)
> for the rudder bar instead of =93structural tubing=94. Mr. Perez indicat
ed
> that he had used .035=94 wall stainless steel for his ALREADY CONSTRUCTED
> rudder bar. He was neither asking for advice or validation. As he said
> repeatedly, in several emails, =94 I feel comfortable with my rudder bar
set
> up.=94
>
> I think we owe Michael an apology. It is absolutely his choice what
> materials to use. It is our choice whether we would fly in such an airpl
ane
> or not. That=92s the beauty of Experimental Aviation. I suspect that af
ter
> all the hoopla over his choice of materials, Michael will make it a point
on
> his preflight inspections to check the rudder bar for cracking. Stainles
s
> steel is not so bad a material that it will fail catastrophically without
> yielding and with no warning.
>
> The great thing about this List (and I really feel that the Pietenpol Lis
t
> is unique in this) is that people feel welcome to ask questions and offer
> advice. There is no =93credentialing=94 to determine who is able to offe
r
> advice, so it takes a while to figure out who knows what they=92re talkin
g
> about and who doesn=92t. I don=92t think any of us want to see this list
get
> so vitriolic that people are afraid to ask questions or offer advice for
> fear of being publicly ridiculed.
>
> Remember, =93We=92re all Snowflakes=94. No two Pietenpols are identical,
and
> we=92ve all made changes to the design (horror of horrors, Dan Helsper is
now
> adding electronic ignition, and an electrical system to support it, to hi
s
> pristine Model A Pietenpol). I myself had a forced landing in my Pietenp
ol
> because I used stainless steel (there=92s that word again) wool in the he
at
> muffs for carb heat. Even a reliable old Continental can=92t run very we
ll
> when it ingests a wad of stainless steel. Thank goodness the crankshaft
> didn=92t snap.
>
> Let=92s try to keep it friendly and remember that as much as we love thes
e
> airplanes, the really valuable thing about being involved with Pietenpols
is
> the friendships we gain through this airplane. Some of the people I=92ve
met
> on this list I now count as my very best friends.
>
> Only 141 more days until Brodhead.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 (which plummeted through trying to digest
> stainless steel)
>
> Raleigh, NC
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material |
That will only be a problem if you actually make it there. Not sayin' the
"C" would cause a problem preventing you from getting there (not for 17 more
days anyway) - I'm jes' sayin'.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
Jack, you're going to shoot me when I show up at Brodhead (probably next
year) with a Corvair without the 5th bearing. I want to use the stock oil
system and don't know how I would get oil to a fifth bearing. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <mailto:pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Phillips
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
I merely mentioned that I was still on a moratorium (for 17 more days now).
Or were you referring my use of the work Crankshaft as a "C" word? I
realize there are many areas of concern for Corvair owners - it's difficult
to stay away from all of them.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of V Groah
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
Jack, I do not want to sound in any way critical, but you mentioned the C
word again.
_____
From: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:42:57 -0500
Jack Phillips, amen and AMEN to your 9:59 AM post. I have never seen, much
less flown, an airplane with a rudder bar. All my time (68 years this past
January) has been in planes with rudder pedals and toe brakes. So I
couldn't comment on rudder bars if I wanted to. Some of the comments did
get a bit testy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <mailto:pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Phillips
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
Since I'm on a self-imposed moratorium (for 18 more days) on noting the
dangers of using a Corvair to power an airplane, I've enjoyed the discussion
about rudder bar materials. However, I want to point out that we are
getting dangerously close to being as unfriendly, unhelpful and downright
mean as the RV-10 List has gotten.
I think a lot of us (myself included) felt that Michael Perez had asked what
materials people had used on their rudder bars, and then, when reasons were
advanced why stainless steel should NOT be used, he announced that he would
use it anyway. This was often the behavior of The Fisherman, of years past,
who would propose to do something and ask if there was a problem. Several
people would go to the trouble of explaning exactly why this might be a
problem, and then he would announce that he would proceed with his way
anyhow. He was not looking for advice, but for validation for his choice.
However, this was NOT the situation on the rudder bar discussion. In this
situation, Ken Heide initially asked about using cold rolled tubing (?) for
the rudder bar instead of "structural tubing". Mr. Perez indicated that he
had used .035" wall stainless steel for his ALREADY CONSTRUCTED rudder bar.
He was neither asking for advice or validation. As he said repeatedly, in
several emails, " I feel comfortable with my rudder bar set up."
I think we owe Michael an apology. It is absolutely his choice what
materials to use. It is our choice whether we would fly in such an airplane
or not. That's the beauty of Experimental Aviation. I suspect that after
all the hoopla over his choice of materials, Michael will make it a point on
his preflight inspections to check the rudder bar for cracking. Stainless
steel is not so bad a material that it will fail catastrophically without
yielding and with no warning.
The great thing about this List (and I really feel that the Pietenpol List
is unique in this) is that people feel welcome to ask questions and offer
advice. There is no "credentialing" to determine who is able to offer
advice, so it takes a while to figure out who knows what they're talking
about and who doesn't. I don't think any of us want to see this list get so
vitriolic that people are afraid to ask questions or offer advice for fear
of being publicly ridiculed.
Remember, "We're all Snowflakes". No two Pietenpols are identical, and
we've all made changes to the design (horror of horrors, Dan Helsper is now
adding electronic ignition, and an electrical system to support it, to his
pristine Model A Pietenpol). I myself had a forced landing in my Pietenpol
because I used stainless steel (there's that word again) wool in the heat
muffs for carb heat. Even a reliable old Continental can't run very well
when it ingests a wad of stainless steel. Thank goodness the crankshaft
didn't snap.
Let's try to keep it friendly and remember that as much as we love these
airplanes, the really valuable thing about being involved with Pietenpols is
the friendships we gain through this airplane. Some of the people I've met
on this list I now count as my very best friends.
Only 141 more days until Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" (which plummeted through trying to digest
stainless steel)
Raleigh, NC
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material |
John, as they used to say in the South, "You won't do!"
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hofmann
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
You will make it to Illinois. Then you will have a visit from this
"gentleman."
http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100026
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:
Jack, you're going to shoot me when I show up at Brodhead (probably
next year) with a Corvair without the 5th bearing. I want to use the
stock oil system and don't know how I would get oil to a fifth bearing.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar
Material
I merely mentioned that I was still on a moratorium (for 17 more
days now). Or were you referring my use of the work Crankshaft as a
=93C=94 word? I realize there are many areas of concern for Corvair
owners ' it=92s difficult to stay away from all of them.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of V Groah
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:54 AM
To: piet list
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar
Material
Jack, I do not want to sound in any way critical, but you
mentioned the C word again.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar
Material
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:42:57 -0500
Jack Phillips, amen and AMEN to your 9:59 AM post. I have never
seen, much less flown, an airplane with a rudder bar. All my time (68
years this past January) has been in planes with rudder pedals and toe
brakes. So I couldn't comment on rudder bars if I wanted to. Some of
the comments did get a bit testy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
Since I=92m on a self-imposed moratorium (for 18 more days) on
noting the dangers of using a Corvair to power an airplane, I=92ve
enjoyed the discussion about rudder bar materials. However, I want to
point out that we are getting dangerously close to being as unfriendly,
unhelpful and downright mean as the RV-10 List has gotten.
I think a lot of us (myself included) felt that Michael Perez
had asked what materials people had used on their rudder bars, and then,
when reasons were advanced why stainless steel should NOT be used, he
announced that he would use it anyway. This was often the behavior of
The Fisherman, of years past, who would propose to do something and ask
if there was a problem. Several people would go to the trouble of
explaning exactly why this might be a problem, and then he would
announce that he would proceed with his way anyhow. He was not looking
for advice, but for validation for his choice.
However, this was NOT the situation on the rudder bar
discussion. In this situation, Ken Heide initially asked about using
cold rolled tubing (?) for the rudder bar instead of =93structural
tubing=94. Mr. Perez indicated that he had used .035=94 wall stainless
steel for his ALREADY CONSTRUCTED rudder bar. He was neither asking for
advice or validation. As he said repeatedly, in several emails, =94 I
feel comfortable with my rudder bar set up.=94
I think we owe Michael an apology. It is absolutely his choice
what materials to use. It is our choice whether we would fly in such an
airplane or not. That=92s the beauty of Experimental Aviation. I
suspect that after all the hoopla over his choice of materials, Michael
will make it a point on his preflight inspections to check the rudder
bar for cracking. Stainless steel is not so bad a material that it will
fail catastrophically without yielding and with no warning.
The great thing about this List (and I really feel that the
Pietenpol List is unique in this) is that people feel welcome to ask
questions and offer advice. There is no =93credentialing=94 to
determine who is able to offer advice, so it takes a while to figure out
who knows what they=92re talking about and who doesn=92t. I don=92t
think any of us want to see this list get so vitriolic that people are
afraid to ask questions or offer advice for fear of being publicly
ridiculed.
Remember, =93We=92re all Snowflakes=94. No two Pietenpols are
identical, and we=92ve all made changes to the design (horror of
horrors, Dan Helsper is now adding electronic ignition, and an
electrical system to support it, to his pristine Model A Pietenpol). I
myself had a forced landing in my Pietenpol because I used stainless
steel (there=92s that word again) wool in the heat muffs for carb heat.
Even a reliable old Continental can=92t run very well when it ingests a
wad of stainless steel. Thank goodness the crankshaft didn=92t snap.
Let=92s try to keep it friendly and remember that as much as we
love these airplanes, the really valuable thing about being involved
with Pietenpols is the friendships we gain through this airplane. Some
of the people I=92ve met on this list I now count as my very best
friends.
Only 141 more days until Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 (which plummeted through trying
to digest stainless steel)
Raleigh, NC
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material |
Thanks for you post.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
What has me flaming is the demeanor used by some to tear down the person beyond
the written responses as to why he should not use a particular material. Make
the point, state the reasons or examples of why you back your point, and convience
based on real situations or vaild logic.
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| Subject: | Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in any longer. |
The C
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
ROTEC...!
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| Subject: | Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in any longer. |
The C
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
...that would be ROTE"C" - see!
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| Subject: | Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in any longer. |
The C
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
What? It starts with a C.
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| From: | "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
I have the 800-4 bladder expander brakes and Scott heel brakes( J-3 etc.)
on my aircamper. They work great. They don't grab and require more
pressure than newer brakes which is great because they prevent inadvertant
over braking. Parts are harder to find. I had an oldtimer tell me a trick
they used to use. When the pads became worn, they would put card stock
shims under the pads to push them up closer to the drum. The 800-4's are
great for rough fields and the low pressure smooths out the rough ground.
The original Piper Vagabond (PA15) had a rigid gear with only the 800-4's to
smooth out the jolts. Remember "Flying with a cross-wind isn't so bad once
you get the drift of it" Brad Williams NX29NX
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Charles Campbell
wrote:
> cncampbell(at)windstream.neton >
>
> Yes, I had the expandable bladder type brakes on a PA22 TriPacer that I
> converted to a PA20 taildragger. They worked really well, in fact they
> saved the plane when I was checking the guy out in it when he bought it from
> me. He said he was tail-wheel qualified but on our first takeoff (he was
> flying from the left seat and I was in the right seat -- fortunately I had
> put toe brakes on both sides) the plane almost got away from him on takeoff.
> I jumped on the right brake and got it straightened out before it ground
> looped. The brakes worked fine. We went to a field with wider runways and
> spent about 2 hours having him make takeoffs until he could handle the plane
> with no trouble. If having bladder type brakes is a solution to your
> problem, I recommend them. Chuck C.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "skellytown flyer" <
> skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:15 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: brakes now
>
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>> skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
>>
>> Well after getting my carb back from D&G and getting it mounted I find
>> that once again I am without brakes. I had a brainstorm yesterday that I
>> might be able to pull the drums out of my 1947 hayes 6" wheels and bolt in
>> the discs from the 5" wheels and make custom mount plates for my calipers
>> and have some brakes but then reality set in and I discovered that the bolt
>> circle in the bigger wheels won't let that happen. so i guess I will once
>> again fill and bleed the critters and hope for a little stopping power.have
>> any of you tried running the old expander bladder I guess they would be
>> called brakes with success? I expect they are from similar old Piper service
>> since they bolted right up the the Cub gear but they seem to have very
>> little expansion with the newer style master cylinders-maybe the small
>> piston just doesn't displace enough fluid to move the segmented shoes out.I
>> don't want to have to re-design the system or go back to the 5" wheels and
>> tires I took off because the!
>> runway I use is very rough but it may come to that. money is an issue.
>> Raymond
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in any longer. |
The C
Hey, Man. I flew several hundred hours behind the REAL R2800 in four
different aircraft types. 2000 horses and 2400 if you pushed it into water
injection. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in any
longer. The C
>
>
> ROTEC...!
>
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> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material |
I'm scared to death!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
That stock oil system will be a boon when the crankshaft snaps.....
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Charles Campbell
wrote:
Jack, you're going to shoot me when I show up at Brodhead (probably
next year) with a Corvair without the 5th bearing. I want to use the
stock oil system and don't know how I would get oil to a fifth bearing.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar
Material
I merely mentioned that I was still on a moratorium (for 17 more
days now). Or were you referring my use of the work Crankshaft as a
=93C=94 word? I realize there are many areas of concern for Corvair
owners ' it=92s difficult to stay away from all of them.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
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Jack, I do not want to sound in any way critical, but you
mentioned the C word again.
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From: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar
Material
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:42:57 -0500
Jack Phillips, amen and AMEN to your 9:59 AM post. I have never
seen, much less flown, an airplane with a rudder bar. All my time (68
years this past January) has been in planes with rudder pedals and toe
brakes. So I couldn't comment on rudder bars if I wanted to. Some of
the comments did get a bit testy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Latest Buzz on Rudder Bar Material
Since I=92m on a self-imposed moratorium (for 18 more days) on
noting the dangers of using a Corvair to power an airplane, I=92ve
enjoyed the discussion about rudder bar materials. However, I want to
point out that we are getting dangerously close to being as unfriendly,
unhelpful and downright mean as the RV-10 List has gotten.
I think a lot of us (myself included) felt that Michael Perez
had asked what materials people had used on their rudder bars, and then,
when reasons were advanced why stainless steel should NOT be used, he
announced that he would use it anyway. This was often the behavior of
The Fisherman, of years past, who would propose to do something and ask
if there was a problem. Several people would go to the trouble of
explaning exactly why this might be a problem, and then he would
announce that he would proceed with his way anyhow. He was not looking
for advice, but for validation for his choice.
However, this was NOT the situation on the rudder bar
discussion. In this situation, Ken Heide initially asked about using
cold rolled tubing (?) for the rudder bar instead of =93structural
tubing=94. Mr. Perez indicated that he had used .035=94 wall stainless
steel for his ALREADY CONSTRUCTED rudder bar. He was neither asking for
advice or validation. As he said repeatedly, in several emails, =94 I
feel comfortable with my rudder bar set up.=94
I think we owe Michael an apology. It is absolutely his choice
what materials to use. It is our choice whether we would fly in such an
airplane or not. That=92s the beauty of Experimental Aviation. I
suspect that after all the hoopla over his choice of materials, Michael
will make it a point on his preflight inspections to check the rudder
bar for cracking. Stainless steel is not so bad a material that it will
fail catastrophically without yielding and with no warning.
The great thing about this List (and I really feel that the
Pietenpol List is unique in this) is that people feel welcome to ask
questions and offer advice. There is no =93credentialing=94 to
determine who is able to offer advice, so it takes a while to figure out
who knows what they=92re talking about and who doesn=92t. I don=92t
think any of us want to see this list get so vitriolic that people are
afraid to ask questions or offer advice for fear of being publicly
ridiculed.
Remember, =93We=92re all Snowflakes=94. No two Pietenpols are
identical, and we=92ve all made changes to the design (horror of
horrors, Dan Helsper is now adding electronic ignition, and an
electrical system to support it, to his pristine Model A Pietenpol). I
myself had a forced landing in my Pietenpol because I used stainless
steel (there=92s that word again) wool in the heat muffs for carb heat.
Even a reliable old Continental can=92t run very well when it ingests a
wad of stainless steel. Thank goodness the crankshaft didn=92t snap.
Let=92s try to keep it friendly and remember that as much as we
love these airplanes, the really valuable thing about being involved
with Pietenpols is the friendships we gain through this airplane. Some
of the people I=92ve met on this list I now count as my very best
friends.
Only 141 more days until Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94 (which plummeted through trying
to digest stainless steel)
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| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
if those 4" tires were affordable I'd have went with them myself.I have seen the
wheels sell for less than a hundred a set.but the tires I could find were many
hundred dollars for used ones.these 6" seem to roll so much better than the
5:00x5".the style brakes I have- think it is 6 brake shoe segments in each wheel
brake.they probably are very expensive as well but i figured out how to cut
some thin shims and place under a couple segments to bring them in closer to
the drum. I got time this morning to go to the hangar and do some work-I figured
out that the short hoses i have going from th toe brake master cylinders
have an upward curve so they can have plenty of flex through the rudder pedal
travel and I likely wasn't getting all the air bled out of it.I couldn't make
a positive seal but I have a piece of small plastic fuel line clamped onto the
spout of a pump type oil can and I unhooked the line at the brake and held the
hose in the line fitting as tight as I could and pumped as hard and fast as
I could to back fill into the master cylinders hopefully flushing any air pockets
out the top. hooked them back up and it felt like I has brakes at least with
the wheel jacked up.by then I had to leave and help an old fellow get to town
and we had already had another fire north of town to add to the 121,000 acres
that they say have burned this week in Texas in the last week.I need to help
get another grass fire truck up and going before Monday when they say the winds
will be howling again,- just another spring in the Texas panhandle.guess the
plane will sit a while longer.
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| Subject: | Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in any longer. |
The C
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Campbell [mailto:cncampbell(at)windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 03:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in any longer.
The C
Hey, Man. I flew several hundred hours behind the REAL R2800 in four
different aircraft types. 2000 horses and 2400 if you pushed it into water
injection. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in any
longer. The C
>
>
> ROTEC...!
>
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> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in any longer. |
The C
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
REAL cool...!
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Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in any longer. |
The C
No message, Brian. Try again.
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From: <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in any
longer. The C
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles Campbell [mailto:cncampbell(at)windstream.net]
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 03:31 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in
> any longer. The C
>
>
>
> Hey, Man. I flew several hundred hours behind the REAL R2800 in four
> different aircraft types. 2000 horses and 2400 if you pushed it into
> water
> injection. Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:33 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in any
> longer. The C
>
>
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>> ROTEC...!
>>
>> --------
>> Jake Schultz - curator,
>> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>>
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| Subject: | Re: 5th Bearings |
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| Subject: | split landing gear |
| From: | "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi, I'm new to this forum, but not to the aviation field. I recently obtained
a piet and it has the 'split axle' landing gear. The builder put spruce strips
(similar to the turtleneck) on the underside of the fuselage...and it caused
some interference problems with the bungee cords. I noticed that the struts
(with the bungees on them, could actually be flipped around, so that the bungee's
are near the wheels. has anyone had a problem with this? and flipped the
bungee struts around???? thanks, james
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I have to say it-- I can't hold this in any longer. |
The C word.....
I think I saw one of those continentals on a push mower, It had to be repla
ced due to lack of power .- It might get a pietenpol off a long paved nor
thern Ohio runway, but you will need exaust oil injection, and a 25kt headw
ind to reach takeoff speed.
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HA HA HA HA!
Shad
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Question wing strut barrel |
They are about this big on my screen I-------------------------------------
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Are they for piper style lift struts?- Can't tell a whole lot from the pi
c.
Shad
Hi guys hope everyone is well I am about to start building again over here
in the west I am hoping the container with the Piet in it arrives safe toda
y.
But in the meantime can anyone tell me how wide these barrels are?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/graphics/05-05900.jpg
Carson
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| From: | santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar> |
| Subject: | Question wing strut barrel |
Carson, this might be useful
Saludos=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Arizona Piet People - Cactus Fly-In |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
If anyone's going to the Cactus fly-in at Casa Grande & would like to get a coke
and talk piets, give me a call at 512-422-6371 after 10 or so on Saturday morning.
Kevin
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | One of Those Days... |
Frustrating day today on the Piet. Fabricated the tail fitting numerous
times to make them fit. Drilled plugged and re-drilled a bunch. Just a
heads-up, as you build make sure to calculate for the fabric everywhere.
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: One of Those Days... |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I don't understand which one you are referring to Jack..........the one under the
horiz stab??
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: split landing gear |
| From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
Well it doesn't look like you have got any responses so maybe I'll give it a shot.if
you are talking about the cub style gear maybe you could consider replacing
the bungees with springs.several have done that and I think it would give
you more clearance.there has been discussion of it in the past and no doubt there
are some good references in the archives though I never got to where I could
find stuff that way.where are you located? welcome anyway.Raymond
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | One of Those Days... |
Jerry, I was just voicing the frustration. I was referring to the fittings
that attach the vertical and horizontal stabilizers to the fuselage, both
front and rear. If you scroll down from here
http://textors.com/PietProject.html you can see pictures under tail group.
Even after thinking through the process, figuring for fabric thickness etc,
I still messed up. It won't be the last time I'm sure. In this picture
http://textors.com/DSCN4181.JPG you can see the top two rear fittings, which
if used wouldn't allow enough room for the nuts that secure the bottom two
fittings. They will be too close to the fuselage side. So I plugged the
stab, re-drilled then re-made the top fittings moving the bolts out. Pretty
much had to do the same to the front fittings. Oh well.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 7:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Frustrating day today on the Piet. Fabricated the tail fitting numerous
times to make them fit. Drilled plugged and re-drilled a bunch. Just a
heads-up, as you build make sure to calculate for the fabric everywhere.
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | drilling holes in the hstab & matching fittings |
| From: | Timothy Willis <timwillis01(at)gmail.com> |
Jack,
I empathize with your frustrtion in that process. I had a drill jig
that should have made vertical and thus aligned holes in the Hstab,
but the surface was too uneven and the drill jig pretty short.
Alignment was very iffy. My drilled holes were whompy, so that the
fittings on the other side did not align. I quit after 2 of 4 holes
were off and plugged them with oak plugs and epoxy. Then I built a
table top of sorts to bolt to my second drill press. I set the Hstab
on blocks off the table and clamped it down, then drilled the holes.
The results are right on.
But NOW you have me worried-- how should I have accounted for fabric?
Tim in central TX
======
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Frustrating day today on the Piet. Fabricated the tail fitting numerous
times to make them fit. Drilled plugged and re-drilled a bunch. Just a
heads-up, as you build make sure to calculate for the fabric everywhere.
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: drilling holes in the hstab & matching fittings |
| From: | "womenfly2" <keriannprice(at)hotmail.com> |
All fittings should allow for fabric. Specially if you are adding reinforcing tapes
under them for wear. The build up in thickness with fabric & paint can be
.030" or more. Best to place about 4 fabric strips under the fitting before drilling
the wood frame to allow for this increase.
Another trick is to only drill holes in one fitting, then drill through the wood
using that fitting. Then place the other fitting in-line and in position and
then use the drilled holes in the wood to transfer them to it.
Of course true, straight and plump holes are always the goal ..... one does not
want to think about all the bad one when flying around at 1000 feet.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332917#332917
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | One of Those Days... |
It's good you mentioned this because I have worried about the tail group
fitting after covering for years. As of late, I had just about convince
myself that mounting the tail would be ok because everyone seems to do it
and no one says its a problem.
So now, I'm back to wondering, how is everyone else mounting the tail before
covering and still getting to fit correctly? How should I do it?
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:23 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Jerry, I was just voicing the frustration. I was referring to the fittings
that attach the vertical and horizontal stabilizers to the fuselage, both
front and rear. If you scroll down from here
http://textors.com/PietProject.html you can see pictures under tail group.
Even after thinking through the process, figuring for fabric thickness etc,
I still messed up. It won't be the last time I'm sure. In this picture
http://textors.com/DSCN4181.JPG you can see the top two rear fittings, which
if used wouldn't allow enough room for the nuts that secure the bottom two
fittings. They will be too close to the fuselage side. So I plugged the
stab, re-drilled then re-made the top fittings moving the bolts out. Pretty
much had to do the same to the front fittings. Oh well.
Jack
DSM
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 7:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Frustrating day today on the Piet. Fabricated the tail fitting numerous
times to make them fit. Drilled plugged and re-drilled a bunch. Just a
heads-up, as you build make sure to calculate for the fabric everywhere.
Jack
DSM
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | M.Perez Hints videos |
I realize that Mike has taken some rather direct lumps in his decision to
use non standard materials in his Piet build by his own choice. Not being an
attorney but with several years working in the Safety and Health
profession interfacing with insurance, legal and liability issues. The question
of
liability seems to jump out to me that:
If Mike Perez in his hints video shows, illustrates, demonstrates or
mentions that he is using stainless in the construction of a part that requires
4130 and another builder uses that same material suffers an accident or
catastrophic failure of the part made of non called out materials, what is Mike
liability in that situation. I would estimate that it would be enormous as
by showing, saying or demonstrating he is guiding or influencing the view
to follow his steps. Although that may not be the intent of Mikes message
it may become the perception of the viewer which I believe comes to be the
issue of the legal process. What did the viewer do on the basis of the
instructions either directly or implied by the videos he purchased from a person
he believed to be an expert and experienced builder?
Does Mike Perez an expert by virtue of the sales of his video product and
is he liable for the consequence of unsuspecting builders following his
implied expert advice in building the Pietenpol?
I am afraid Mike in his efforts to share information may be treading on
dangerous ground, however not being an attorney I am only asking the questions
and speculating on the legal ramifications as either general liability of
other legal recourse in the event of an incident related to his hints video
series.
John
Quietly contemplating the potential for disaster without trying to
recreate the flames series of his past posting on the material choices debates
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | drilling holes in the hstab & matching fittings |
Tim Keri-Ann answered it better than I could. Depending on the location I
utilize one or two washers to help equal the fabric and or tape thickness,
anywhere from .030 to .55, which is only an estimate.
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-
anywhere from .030 to 55list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Timothy
Willis
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 10:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: drilling holes in the hstab & matching
fittings
Jack,
I empathize with your frustrtion in that process. I had a drill jig
that should have made vertical and thus aligned holes in the Hstab,
but the surface was too uneven and the drill jig pretty short.
Alignment was very iffy. My drilled holes were whompy, so that the
fittings on the other side did not align. I quit after 2 of 4 holes
were off and plugged them with oak plugs and epoxy. Then I built a
table top of sorts to bolt to my second drill press. I set the Hstab
on blocks off the table and clamped it down, then drilled the holes.
The results are right on.
But NOW you have me worried-- how should I have accounted for fabric?
Tim in central TX
======
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Frustrating day today on the Piet. Fabricated the tail fitting numerous
times to make them fit. Drilled plugged and re-drilled a bunch. Just a
heads-up, as you build make sure to calculate for the fabric everywhere.
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | One of Those Days... |
well=2C one could always do it per the plans (god forbid!) where the fittin
gs are riveted (not bolted) to the tailpost and fin prior to covering. The
vertical bolt holes remain in line as fabric is added to the stabilizer an
d top of the fuselage. Added plus is not need for clearance for boltheads
and nuts/cotter pins as someone else on here bemoaned.
Gene
From: catdesigns(at)att.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Date: Sun=2C 6 Mar 2011 09:52:51 -0800
It's good you mentioned this because I have worried about the tail group fi
tting after covering for years. As of late=2C I had just about convince mys
elf that mounting the tail would be ok because everyone seems to do it and
no one says its a problem.
So now=2C I'm back to wondering=2C how is everyone else mounting the tail b
efore covering and still getting to fit correctly? How should I do it?
Chris
Sacramento=2C Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday=2C March 06=2C 2011 6:23 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Jerry=2C I was just voicing the frustration. I was referring to the fittin
gs that attach the vertical and horizontal stabilizers to the fuselage=2C b
oth front and rear. If you scroll down from here http://textors.com/PietPr
oject.html you can see pictures under tail group. Even after thinking thro
ugh the process=2C figuring for fabric thickness etc=2C I still messed up.
It won=92t be the last time I=92m sure. In this picture http://textors.co
m/DSCN4181.JPG you can see the top two rear fittings=2C which if used would
n=92t allow enough room for the nuts that secure the bottom two fittings.
They will be too close to the fuselage side. So I plugged the stab=2C re-d
rilled then re-made the top fittings moving the bolts out. Pretty much had
to do the same to the front fittings. Oh well=85
Jack
DSM
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday=2C March 05=2C 2011 7:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: One of Those Days...
Frustrating day today on the Piet. Fabricated the tail fitting numerous ti
mes to make them fit. Drilled plugged and re-drilled a bunch. Just a heads
-up=2C as you build make sure to calculate for the fabric everywhere.
Jack
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Real Airplane Engine |
I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it yet)
of a 100 HP, Lycoming O235-C engine. Several years ago it was in a
sprayer/duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent.
Anyone ever heard of straightening a bent flange or will I have to
replace the crankshaft. The person who GAVE it to me didn't know. He
bought the engine some time back and then decided not to use it and sold
it. The new buyer decided not to use it and gave it back -- so my
friend could give it to me without losing anything. The rest of the
engine should be in pretty good condition -- it didn't have much time on
it when it crashed. Anyone ever hear of an O235 engine being used in a
Piet. I love Lycomings. I had an O260 in the PA22 that I rebuilt but
didn't have to do anything to the engine. They probably don't develop
the power that a comparable Continental does, but they will run forever.
I want to disassemble it and take the parts to an engine person to see
if it's worth trying to rebuild. Anyone know how to disassemble a
Lycoming? Jack, if it turns out that I can use it, there goes the harsh
words you were going to use on me for using a Corvair. Anybody have an
O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap? Chuck
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | FW: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West |
This has not been a good week. First Gene Pennington and now Jack Cox.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:eaa1114-request(at)safedataisp.net] On Behalf Of Kent Misegades
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 3:40 PM
Subject: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West
Dear EAA friends,
I am sorry to bring the sad news that our friend Jack Cox from Asheboro,
NC has gone West.
Jack, who with his wife Golda built the EAA's publications from a simple
newsletter into what we know today, had struggled with health issues
recently after retiring from the EAA some years ago. According to
Golda, Jack passed away peacefully in his sleep.
Jack did not wish to have any funeral service. I will however be making
a few inquiries later this week and let you know of anything that might
be planned.
regards,
Kent
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| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
Finally had to get a used prop on Barnstormers. Zeus approves. Hope to be airborne
soon. Sensenich has back order, since government is taking priority for the
UAV's.
Larry.. (Dallas theatre of operations)
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| Subject: | Re: Piets & Yorkies |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Jay Anderson, Cloudcars props......hot rod performance, and damn good
looking....
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:47 PM, TriScout wrote:
>
> Finally had to get a used prop on Barnstormers. Zeus approves. Hope to be
> airborne soon. Sensenich has back order, since government is taking priority
> for the UAV's.
>
> Larry.. (Dallas theatre of operations)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332941#332941
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
This is called, "The Wilson Test." Upon determining that the glove no longer
deflates, and all leaks have been dealt with, on cries out loudly, "WILSON!"
Upon hearing the uproar, usually The Wife sticks her nose curiously into the
garage, and you proudly announce that you have no leaks, after which She
will shrug, return to her housely activities, and leave you alone in proud
silence..
Many thanks to all who contributed info, but special thanks to Jim Markle,
who inspired me with his numerous pictures on Westcoastpiet.com.
Also, a very special note of thanks to Jack Phillips who sent me a very
detailed description of the process, and, maybe unwittingly, enabled me to
power my crowd-pleasing Corvair for approximately 3 hours!!...Thanks, Jack!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail done, Fuselage on gear, RIBS DONE!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Beautiful, Larry! ...and the prop, too!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of TriScout
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets & Yorkies
Finally had to get a used prop on Barnstormers. Zeus approves. Hope to be
airborne soon. Sensenich has back order, since government is taking priority
for the UAV's.
Larry.. (Dallas theatre of operations)
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Real Airplane Engine |
Congratulations, Charles for turning away from the Dark Side!
I'm not terribly familiar with the O-235, but I have done some cylinder work
on the O-320 on my RV-4. Lycomings are assembled differently from
Continentals, but the overhaul manuals are well written and easy to follow.
You should be able to get an overhaul manual on ebay or just write to
Lycoming.
Gene is right - no straightening of the crank should be attempted. There is
an AD on Lycomings that require a tear down and inspection for ANY prop
strike. In addition to replacing the crank you should replace the dowel pin
that keys the cam drive gear to the crankshaft, and inspect the gears for
cracks.
Lycomings run rougher than Continentals, but they will run rough a lot
longer than a Continental will run smoothly. I think you'll be very happy
with it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it yet) of a
100 HP, Lycoming O235-C engine. Several years ago it was in a
sprayer/duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent.
Anyone ever heard of straightening a bent flange or will I have to replace
the crankshaft. The person who GAVE it to me didn't know. He bought the
engine some time back and then decided not to use it and sold it. The new
buyer decided not to use it and gave it back -- so my friend could give it
to me without losing anything. The rest of the engine should be in pretty
good condition -- it didn't have much time on it when it crashed. Anyone
ever hear of an O235 engine being used in a Piet. I love Lycomings. I had
an O260 in the PA22 that I rebuilt but didn't have to do anything to the
engine. They probably don't develop the power that a comparable Continental
does, but they will run forever. I want to disassemble it and take the
parts to an engine person to see if it's worth trying to rebuild. Anyone
know how to disassemble a Lycoming? Jack, if it turns out that I can use
it, there goes the harsh words you were going to use on me for using a
Corvair. Anybody have an O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap? Chuck
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Piets & Yorkies |
| From: | "TriScout" <apfelcyber(at)yahoo.com> |
thank you
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332958#332958
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jack,
This is sad news. Way back in 1983 as I was just starting my industrrial se
wing business from my home. I had designed a military-style canvas tool bag
, and wanted to place a very small ad in the classified section in Sport Av
iation. I remember Golda assisting me with the placement of my 1" tall ad.
A very helpful individual as I am sure her husband was.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sun, Mar 6, 2011 4:40 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes We
st
et>
This has not been a good week. First Gene Pennington and now Jack Cox.
Jack Phillips
X899JP "Icarus Plummet"
aleigh, NC
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rom: eaa1114-request(at)safedataisp.net
mailto:eaa1114-request(at)safedataisp.net] On Behalf Of Kent Misegades
ent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 3:40 PM
o: eaa1114-announce(at)yahoogroups.com
ubject: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West
Dear EAA friends,
I am sorry to bring the sad news that our friend Jack Cox from Asheboro,
C has gone West.
Jack, who with his wife Golda built the EAA's publications from a simple
ewsletter into what we know today, had struggled with health issues
ecently after retiring from the EAA some years ago. According to
olda, Jack passed away peacefully in his sleep.
Jack did not wish to have any funeral service. I will however be making
few inquiries later this week and let you know of anything that might
e planned.
regards,
Kent
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Congratulations Dan!!!
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 6:16 PM, wrote:
>
>
Puryear, TN. (officially moved our base of operations yesterday)
>
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine |
Jack, do you have any idea what it might cost me to get that O235
running?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
Congratulations, Charles for turning away from the Dark Side!
I'm not terribly familiar with the O-235, but I have done some
cylinder work on the O-320 on my RV-4. Lycomings are assembled
differently from Continentals, but the overhaul manuals are well written
and easy to follow. You should be able to get an overhaul manual on
ebay or just write to Lycoming.
Gene is right - no straightening of the crank should be attempted.
There is an AD on Lycomings that require a tear down and inspection for
ANY prop strike. In addition to replacing the crank you should replace
the dowel pin that keys the cam drive gear to the crankshaft, and
inspect the gears for cracks.
Lycomings run rougher than Continentals, but they will run rough a lot
longer than a Continental will run smoothly. I think you'll be very
happy with it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:16 PM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it
yet) of a 100 HP, Lycoming O235-C engine. Several years ago it was in a
sprayer/duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent.
Anyone ever heard of straightening a bent flange or will I have to
replace the crankshaft. The person who GAVE it to me didn't know. He
bought the engine some time back and then decided not to use it and sold
it. The new buyer decided not to use it and gave it back -- so my
friend could give it to me without losing anything. The rest of the
engine should be in pretty good condition -- it didn't have much time on
it when it crashed. Anyone ever hear of an O235 engine being used in a
Piet. I love Lycomings. I had an O260 in the PA22 that I rebuilt but
didn't have to do anything to the engine. They probably don't develop
the power that a comparable Continental does, but they will run forever.
I want to disassemble it and take the parts to an engine person to see
if it's worth trying to rebuild. Anyone know how to disassemble a
Lycoming? Jack, if it turns out that I can use it, there goes the harsh
words you were going to use on me for using a Corvair. Anybody have an
O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap? Chuck
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Incidentally, I have reserved an N number for my Piet. It will be NX
10003. I reserved the lowest number having 5 digits that was available.
Chuck
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine |
I am building with an 0235 C1B engine I plan to spent between 5 and 7000
on
it by the time its completely rebuilt. I hope that helped. I have ben tol
d
that if the flange is bent you're into a new crank. Just what the shop ha
s
said. BTW mine suffered a minimal prop strikee with no damage to the
engine. it set so long the internal corrosion took out the cam and tappet
s al
the rest is good with no run out. Just a matter of the rings,beqarings,se
als,
bolts and nuts, oil pumpgears and gaskets at a little more then 3 k for
the parts as I recall. ignition is another story. Mince came with the Ben
dix
shower of sparks mags and no box so I am planning on the slicks as the
replacement set.
John
In a message dated 3/6/2011 7:59:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cncampbell(at)windstream.net writes:
Jack, do you have any idea what it might cost me to get that O235 running
?
----- Original Message -----
From: _Jack Phillips_ (mailto:pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net)
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
Congratulations, Charles for turning away from the Dark Side!
I=99m not terribly familiar with the O-235, but I have done some cy
linder
work on the O-320 on my RV-4. Lycomings are assembled differently from
Continentals, but the overhaul manuals are well written and easy to follo
w. You
should be able to get an overhaul manual on ebay or just write to
Lycoming.
Gene is right =93 no straightening of the crank should be attempted
. There
is an AD on Lycomings that require a tear down and inspection for ANY pro
p
strike. In addition to replacing the crank you should replace the dowel
pin that keys the cam drive gear to the crankshaft, and inspect the gears
for
cracks.
Lycomings run rougher than Continentals, but they will run rough a lot
longer than a Continental will run smoothly. I think you=99ll be
very happy
with it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 5:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine
I am now the owner (won't say proud because I haven't even seen it yet)
of
a 100 HP, Lycoming O235-C engine. Several years ago it was in a
sprayer/duster and the pilot had a nose up and the crank flange is bent.
Anyone
ever heard of straightening a bent flange or will I have to replace the
crankshaft. The person who GAVE it to me didn't know. He bought the eng
ine
some time back and then decided not to use it and sold it. The new buyer
decided not to use it and gave it back -- so my friend could give it to
me
without losing anything. The rest of the engine should be in pretty good
condition -- it didn't have much time on it when it crashed. Anyone ever
hear
of an O235 engine being used in a Piet. I love Lycomings. I had an O260
in
the PA22 that I rebuilt but didn't have to do anything to the engine. The
y
probably don't develop the power that a comparable Continental does, but
they will run forever. I want to disassemble it and take the parts to an
engine person to see if it's worth trying to rebuild. Anyone know how to
disassemble a Lycoming? Jack, if it turns out that I can use it, there
goes
the harsh words you were going to use on me for using a Corvair. Anybody
have an O235 overhaul manual I can buy cheap? Chuck
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Real Airplane Engine,manuals |
Chuck, I just browsed E-bay, and there are a few 0-235c O/H manuals on ther
e for under 20-25 dollars.- One was only $14.- You will most likely wan
t to buy a illistruated parts mannual as well so you can check part #'s for
gaskets, gears etc that will be replaced at O/H.- Most of the 0-235C ser
ies have the 0-290D info in them as well, and "0-290D" is included in the t
itle on the cover.
-
Hope this helps,
Shad
p.s. their was a crankshaft for sale as well for $300 or so, with a few day
s left at auction=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals |
Thanks, Shad and all. I will check E-bay after I get the engine and
determine what I need. Sounds like about the same cost as to rebuild a
Corvair. I have figured roughly 5200 to build the Corvair (not counting
the 5th bearing -- I didn't have a price for that). I hope the mags are
OK. Someone mentioned about the same cost to rebuild an O235. We'll
see.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals
Chuck, I just browsed E-bay, and there are a few 0-235c O/H
manuals on there for under 20-25 dollars. One was only $14. You will
most likely want to buy a illistruated parts mannual as well so you can
check part #'s for gaskets, gears etc that will be replaced at O/H.
Most of the 0-235C series have the 0-290D info in them as well, and
"0-290D" is included in the title on the cover.
Hope this helps,
Shad
p.s. their was a crankshaft for sale as well for $300 or so,
with a few days left at auction
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Are NX numbers still being issued? I was told that they were not. If they are,
can someone tell me how to request one? I know how to reserve a number, but
the NX variety were not available.
Chuck, perhaps you have held this one for a while?
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332993#332993
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
You request an N number and put the X in it when you put it on your Piet. As I
understand it, you can add the X if the design is over a certain number of years
old, 30 years I think. And the Pietenpol design is that....
I think it can be added instead of putting the "experimental aircraft" label all
over it....
There are a couple more detailed (and probably more accurate!) answers in the archives.
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
>Sent: Mar 6, 2011 8:18 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number
>
>
>Are NX numbers still being issued? I was told that they were not. If they are,
can someone tell me how to request one? I know how to reserve a number, but
the NX variety were not available.
>
>Chuck, perhaps you have held this one for a while?
>
>--------
>Mark Chouinard
>Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332993#332993
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
The FAA does not issue NX numbers. If the design has been in existence for
30 years or more, the X can be added to the registration number, but the
Official number does not include the X. Thus if you want to look up my
airplane, for instance, search one of the databases such as Landings and
look for N899JP, not NX899JP. Try it:
http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*64406683!_h-www.landings.com/_landin
gs/pages/search/search_nnr.html
You just apply for the N number, and then paint it with the X. And if you
do paint the X with the rest of the number, you do not have to put the
"Experimental" in 2" letters in the cockpit. You do still have to have the
Passenger Warning saying that the aircraft is amateur built.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 9:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number
Are NX numbers still being issued? I was told that they were not. If they
are, can someone tell me how to request one? I know how to reserve a
number, but the NX variety were not available.
Chuck, perhaps you have held this one for a while?
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
As I understamd the regs. The "X" is not in your registration. You put it
in. And yes you can still use the X See FAR 45.22
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number
> From: hangar10(at)cox.net
> Date: Sun=2C 6 Mar 2011 18:18:16 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Are NX numbers still being issued? I was told that they were not. If they
are=2C can someone tell me how to request one? I know how to reserve a num
ber=2C but the NX variety were not available.
>
> Chuck=2C perhaps you have held this one for a while?
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings=2C Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332993#332993
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Corky Corbett is a very clever and resourceful man, and he used
the wheels, brakes, and axles from an older Cessna 172 on the main landing gear
of NX41CC. The Skyhawk has been in production since 1955 and over 43,000
of them have been built. There are many, many of them in pieces in
salvage yards, and many more repair parts available for them. The
axles are very "standard" (if there is such a thing), so are the
wheels, brakes, tires, and other parts. As in "cheap and available".
41CC rolls on McCreary Aero Trainer 6.00-6 tires which run about $60 a pop
but I've only worn one out in five years of flying. Replacement brake
pads are available from all of the aircraft parts houses and the
Rapco ones are about twenty bucks a pair. I have pressed out the
old rivets, replaced the pads, and set new rivets on both mains for
about forty bucks and don't expect to have to do it again for another
five to seven years, or more (if I lay off the brakes!).
The brakes on 41CC were designed to stop and hold an airplane with twice
the gross weight and horsepower as my Air Camper, so as you can imagine
I don't have any problem stopping or holding the airplane but I've never
gotten the feeling that I was going to put it over on its nose by getting
on the brakes, either. Smooth, effective, and predictable.
Folks, when you're selecting hardware think like Bernard Pietenpol did.
You can either pick something that nobody else anywhere has on their
airplane and you will have to baby those parts for the rest of the airplane's
life, or else find something that everybody is familiar with and that
parts can be found for. There were almost 5 million Ford Model A cars
produced between 1927 and 1931, so Mr. Pietenpol was wise in selecting
the Ford engine for his early Air Campers. As to the Corvair that he used
on his later airplanes, there were several hundred thousand of those produced
in the years that he was still building and flying Corvair-powered Piets
(excluding the oddball and rare variant cars and vans), so again- he went
with something available, affordable, convenient, and well known in the marketplace.
Pick something you can find parts for and that you can afford.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Arizona Piet People - Cactus Fly-In |
| From: | Andrew M Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
Rats, Missed it.
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:53 PM, kevinpurtee wrote:
> kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
>
> If anyone's going to the Cactus fly-in at Casa Grande & would like to get a
> coke and talk piets, give me a call at 512-422-6371 after 10 or so on
> Saturday morning.
>
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332835#332835
>
>
--
Andrew Eldredge
Sahuarita, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
| From: | "Clayton Harper" <claytonharper(at)mac.com> |
Low Net Worth = No Lawsuit.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333009#333009
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Wow, thanks for the info fellas! I think I remember reading something about the
30 year requirement, but didn't realize that adding the X was still an available
option... I obviously thought... well, I don't know what I actually thought.
Ha ha!
Thanks again!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West |
| From: | "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9(at)countryspeed.com> |
I remember years ago reading articles by him in Sport Aviation. I always loved
the way he wrote. He had a great style that was uniquely his. You could also
tell he had a soft spot for the putt-putt type airplanes: Cubs, Champs, and especially
Piets. His April 1990 article in Sport Aviation "A Round Engine Pietenpol"
was a classic. When he started his quarterly magazine "Sportsman Pilot",
I subscribed immediately. I wasn't disappointed. There have been a number
of Pietenpols featured in that magazine over the years, with some of you guys
getting the honor of being recognized by Jack. The Pietenpol community has
lost a good friend. May he rest in peace.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: [eaa1114-announce] Jack Cox, EAA Icon, goes West |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Darn. I didn't know the man, but I did speak to him once. I subscribed to his
magazine a couple of years ago on Jack's recommendation and have enjoyed reading
it. I'm sure he'll be missed by many.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: drilling holes in the hstab & matching fittings |
You need a couple of these, second and third pics;
http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-06/Tools_and_Tips.html
Clif
>
> Another trick is to only drill holes in one fitting, then drill through
> the wood using that fitting. Then place the other fitting in-line and in
> position and then use the drilled holes in the wood to transfer them to
> it.
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
Lawyers would not be able to, or want to, proceed with
these humungous outragiously huge lawsuits if your
laws and judges were like ours here in Canada. Here,
mostly anyway, you're not likely to get more than any
costs that you can prove to have suffered and/or
future cost such as loss of work. "Pain and
suffering" is mostly discounted. You USians can and
do sue for P&S. That's where the unscrupulous get
you.
Clif
Dan,
I don't disagree with your contempt for the trade, it does however
make one skidish in everything we publish of attempt to make available
in the market place and to the public. I have no affinity for the
litigious nature of our society howeve, I have seen that side and the
thought of being taken to the cleaners in a well intended offering is
frightening at best. So I was curious as to the liability such offerings
may bring with them in the best intent.
After many years in the safety consulting business and corporate
America it seems like each step requires sever scrutiny and concern with
the thought how can I be held liable for what appears to be in good
intent.
I am asking the question and not advocating that he stop nor continue,
its more a curiosity on my part and he as the rest of us can do as we
see fit in the offering and or providing information to the public.
John
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals |
Try here. I have the manuals, operating, overhaul and parts,
from them;
https://www.esscoaircraft.com/c-6986-lycoming-235-290-435-series.aspx
Clif
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
The number (in my case 10003) is reserved. Adding the X or not is your
choice. If you add the X then the word "Experimental" does not have to be
printed on the side of the airplane.
----- Original Message -----
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 9:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number
>
> Are NX numbers still being issued? I was told that they were not. If
> they are, can someone tell me how to request one? I know how to reserve a
> number, but the NX variety were not available.
>
> Chuck, perhaps you have held this one for a while?
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=332993#332993
>
>
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals |
Thanks, Clif, I have added that link to my 'Favorites' list. Thanks
again. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Real Airplane Engine,manuals
Try here. I have the manuals, operating, overhaul and parts,
from them;
https://www.esscoaircraft.com/c-6986-lycoming-235-290-435-series.aspx
Clif
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| From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Jack wrote:
>You do still have to have the Passenger Warning saying that
>the aircraft is amateur built.
Negative. Yet another reason to mark your Piet with the "NX-".
The "X" in the designator serves the same purpose as the
passenger warning, advising that it is an experimental aircraft.
My airplane does not have the passenger warning.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
San Antonio, TX
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Here is the Obituary for Jack Cox.
http://obituaries.news-record.com/obituaries/news-record/obituary.aspx?n=jus
tin-b-cox-jack
<http://obituaries.news-record.com/obituaries/news-record/obituary.aspx?n=ju
stin-b-cox-jack&pid=149118453> &pid=149118453
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
not so sure about that. I think you still have to put the passenger warnin
g=2C just not the word experimental on the side!!
Gene
> From: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number
> Date: Mon=2C 7 Mar 2011 08:02:15 -0600
>
>
>
>
>
> Jack wrote:
>
> >You do still have to have the Passenger Warning saying that
> >the aircraft is amateur built.
>
> Negative. Yet another reason to mark your Piet with the "NX-".
> The "X" in the designator serves the same purpose as the
> passenger warning=2C advising that it is an experimental aircraft.
> My airplane does not have the passenger warning.
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio=2C TX
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
What an incredible aviation author with encyclopedic knowledge of homebuilt
airplanes and antiques. Jack Cox was a very AVID supporter of
the Pietenpol movement and spearheaded a multi-page article about our 70th
Anniversary Gathering of Pietenpols at Oshkosh in 1999 and
fortunately Jack Phillips and I were able to with speak with Jack Cox and h
is wife Golda by Jack's Pietenpol in 2009 by Jack's Pietenpol.
Jack was a very humble and unassuming man but a powerful aviation author an
d editor in Chief of Sport Aviation magazine and contributing author
for many years as well as his own excellent magazine Sportsman Pilot of wh
ich I have the latest copy of in my car and was reading it over the weekend
.
Thank you for letting us know about Jack's passing. Thankfully though Ja
ck is gone his publications and articles will live on forever as a great tr
ibute to the legacy of his life.
Mike C.
PS-very much like the books and articles that Tony Bingelis wrote over the
years sharing his VAST knowledge of great advice on how to build experiment
al homebuilt aircraft.
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| Subject: | Re: split landing gear |
| From: | "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Raymond, thanks for the reply. I received my prints in the mail a few days
after my posting, and it turns out that the spruce strips the builder put underneath
isn't per print, and that is way there was some clearance issues. Thanks,
james t
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| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Yup, looks kinda like mine.
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
>
> This is called, =93The Wilson Test.=94 Upon determining that the glove no
> longer deflates, and all leaks have been dealt with, on cries out loudly,
> =93WILSON!=94 Upon hearing the uproar, usually The Wife sticks her nose
> curiously into the garage, and you proudly announce that you have no leak
s,
> after which She will shrug, return to her housely activities, and leave y
ou
> alone in proud silence=85.
>
>
> Many thanks to all who contributed info, but special thanks to Jim Markle
,
> who inspired me with his numerous pictures on Westcoastpiet.com.
>
>
> Also, a very special note of thanks to Jack Phillips who sent me a very
> detailed description of the process, and, maybe unwittingly, enabled me t
o
> power my crowd-pleasing Corvair for approximately 3 hours!!...Thanks, Jac
k!!
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, Running!
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear, RIBS DONE!
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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| Subject: | Re: ferrules for .090 hard wire |
| From: | "DOMIT" <rx7_ragtop(at)yahoo.com> |
There is a post (actually several) on The Aerodrome (WWI aviation site) by a guy
building a Fokker DVII replica that details how he did his...
For that matter he might be persueded to make some for you.
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/replica-aircraft/48060-building-d-vii-bits-10.html
You might have to be a member to access that section, not sure. Hope that is helpful!
--------
Brad "DOMIT" Smith
First rule of ground school: This is the ground... don't hit it going fast.
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
Ha! WILSON... This is hilarious....and we JUST watched that movie recentl
y...
And thanks for the nice comment Gary!
One more thing: I've decided to abandon my welded lift struts and order (so
me day in the FAR distant future!) another set, and NOT do any welding next
time. All the talk about welding aluminum was very important information,
thanks to all.
Soooooo, I'll have several streamlined cabane pieces available if anyone wa
nts to go that route. I'm cutting up the lift struts into shorter pieces t
hat will be usable for the cabanes. I won't sell them but will ask only th
at you pay shipping.
http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html
These are the "small" struts. Attached is a picture of the strut material
sizing.
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: Mar 7, 2011 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wilson Test
Yup, looks kinda like mine.
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
This is called, =9CThe Wilson Test.=9D Upon
determining that the glove no longer deflates, and all leaks have been deal
t
with, on cries out loudly, =9CWILSON!=9D
Upon hearing the uproar, usually The Wife sticks her nose curiously into th
e
garage, and you proudly announce that you have no leaks, after which She wi
ll
shrug, return to her housely activities, and leave you alone in proud silen
ce.
Many thanks to all who contributed info, but special thanks
to Jim Markle, who inspired me with his numerous pictures on Westcoastpiet.
com.
Also, a very special note of thanks to Jack Phillips who
sent me a very detailed description of the process, and, maybe unwittingly,
enabled me to power my crowd-pleasing Corvair for approximately 3
hours!!...Thanks, Jack!!
Gary Boothe
Cool,
Ca.
Pietenpol
WW
Corvair Conversion, Running!
Tail
done, Fuselage on gear, RIBS DONE!
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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| Subject: | Re: ferrules for .090 hard wire |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Here's a source for ferrules (for .102" and .08" wire):
http://www.blueswallowaircraft.com/html/sales_area.html
Bill C.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333069#333069
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Do you offer customer pickup? Or possibly delivery if the recipient springs for
dinner?
dfwplt wrote:
> Soooooo, I'll have several streamlined cabane pieces available if anyone wants
to go that route. I'm cutting up the lift struts into shorter pieces that will
be usable for the cabanes. I won't sell them but will ask only that you pay
shipping.
>
> jm--
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Gene is correct.
NX only negates the requirement to deface the side of your airplane with
the word EXPERIMENTAL.
The passenger warning placard is still required.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Rambo
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: N number
not so sure about that. I think you still have to put the passenger
warning, just not the word experimental on the side!!
Gene
> From: taildrags(at)hotmail.com
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: N number
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:02:15 -0600
>
>
>
>
> Jack wrote:
>
> >You do still have to have the Passenger Warning saying that
> >the aircraft is amateur built.
>
> Negative. Yet another reason to mark your Piet with the "NX-".
> The "X" in the designator serves the same purpose as the
> passenger warning, advising that it is an experimental aircraft.
> My airplane does not have the passenger warning.
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> San Antonio, TX
> website at
http://www.=====================
===>
>
>
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
I might be over your way around Monday the 14th :-)
.....I'll bet we can work something out.....Dinner? I'm SURE we can work something
out...
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10(at)cox.net>
>Sent: Mar 7, 2011 3:17 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wilson Test
>
>
>Do you offer customer pickup? Or possibly delivery if the recipient springs for
dinner?
>
>
>dfwplt wrote:
>> Soooooo, I'll have several streamlined cabane pieces available if anyone wants
to go that route. I'm cutting up the lift struts into shorter pieces that
will be usable for the cabanes. I won't sell them but will ask only that you
pay shipping.
>>
>> jm--
>
>
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>Mark Chouinard
>Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Just using a common sense approach, the passenger warning would seem to be even
MORE necessary if the only indication that the aircraft is in the experimental
category was the NX registration letters, as opposed to the 2" EXPERIMENTAL
sign that must be clearly visible to them as they enter the plane. It just doesn't
make sense that passengers would be expected to know what the letter X means.
Of course, common sense rarely comes into play in these matters. :)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Getting back to John's original question, and relating specifically to Mike's Hint
videos, the website now states that the videos are for entertainment purposes,
and that the changes have not been flight tested or proven.
Now, I'm no attorney (I don't even play one on TV), but posting such a disclaimer
seems to be standard practice in such matters.
Sometimes even the obvious needs to be spelled out in no uncertain terms. For instance,
last week I had a package of peanuts that was labeled with a warning
that this product had been processed in a facility that processes peanuts and
other nuts. Well, duh, I thought... and then I realized that a person might be
allergic to other nuts, but not peanuts, and in THAT case, it would be very important
for them to know that those peanuts MIGHT be contaminated with other
nuts.
Bill C.
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
>Getting back to John's original question, and relating specifically to Mike's
Hint videos, the website now states that the videos are for entertainment purposes,
and that the changes have not been flight tested or proven.
>Now, I'm no attorney (I don't even play one on TV), but posting such a disclaimer
seems to be standard practice in such matters.
>Sometimes even the obvious needs to be spelled out in no uncertain terms. For
instance, last week I had a package of peanuts that was labeled with a warning
that this product had been processed in a facility that processes peanuts and
other nuts. Well, duh, I thought... and then I realized that a person might be
allergic to other nuts, but not peanuts, and in THAT case, it would be very
important for them to know that those peanuts MIGHT be contaminated with other
nuts.
"Contaminated with other nuts"? It's just wrong to temp someone with a "lead in"
like that....
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Conversion |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Chuck - For what it's worth: NX899KP, "Fat Bottomed Girl," is powered by a Corvair
engine, was first flown 9/09, and now has 180 hours on her. Between 9/09
and now, the airplane was hangared three hours away for 6 months, and I've
been away at school for 5 months. SO, I fly her an average of 15 hours a month
when I'm home. Those hours include the 2400 mile trip from Austin to Brodhead/Oshkosh
and back. Out of the handful of challenges on that trip, the engine
was not one of them. Now, I do aviation risk management on a daily basis, much
as you have. My entire flight, all 2400 miles, was flown over the midwest
with one huge forced landing area the whole way. Jack Phillips has darn fine
points about terrain.
Last time we flew I noticed a power drop. I mentioned that here when it happened.
I took the heads off last time I was home and found a damaged valve. I pulled
the other head and found a valve that looked rough on that side as well.
I had those heads done at a local car machine shop about 12 years ago. We did
not have the stable of talent to do that work then that we do now. Roy Sarafinski
(spelling?) has the heads and will re-work them to the current standard.
I'm also taking the opportunity to install a Weseman 5th bearing. There have
been enough problems with cranks that I passed my personal level of comfort
and have decided to opt for the additional support for the crankshaft. I feel
that the nitrided crank is probably adequate, but I'd like to go beyond adequate.
Seems to me the 5th bearing gives more tolerance for unusual loads on
the crank.
I've come to the conclusion that I'll have to spend a minimum of ~$7000 for any
aircraft engine. The head work and the 5th bearing puts me a little below that,
I think. My tune-ups and rebuilds are pretty cheap, though.
I'll let everyone know how the repair goes.
Kevin
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair Conversion |
| From: | Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 7, 2011, at 10:18 PM, "kevinpurtee" wrote:
>
> Hi Chuck - For what it's worth: NX899KP, "Fat Bottomed Girl," is powered by a
Corvair engine, was first flown 9/09, and now has 180 hours on her. Between
9/09 and now, the airplane was hangared three hours away for 6 months, and I've
been away at school for 5 months. SO, I fly her an average of 15 hours a month
when I'm home. Those hours include the 2400 mile trip from Austin to Brodhead/Oshkosh
and back. Out of the handful of challenges on that trip, the engine
was not one of them. Now, I do aviation risk management on a daily basis,
much as you have. My entire flight, all 2400 miles, was flown over the midwest
with one huge forced landing area the whole way. Jack Phillips has darn fine
points about terrain.
>
> Last time we flew I noticed a power drop. I mentioned that here when it happened.
I took the heads off last time I was home and found a damaged valve. I
pulled the other head and found a valve that looked rough on that side as well.
I had those heads done at a local car machine shop about 12 years ago. We
did not have the stable of talent to do that work then that we do now. Roy Sarafinski
(spelling?) has the heads and will re-work them to the current standard.
I'm also taking the opportunity to install a Weseman 5th bearing. There
have been enough problems with cranks that I passed my personal level of comfort
and have decided to opt for the additional support for the crankshaft. I
feel that the nitrided crank is probably adequate, but I'd like to go beyond adequate.
Seems to me the 5th bearing gives more tolerance for unusual loads on
the crank.
>
> I've come to the conclusion that I'll have to spend a minimum of ~$7000 for any
aircraft engine. The head work and the 5th bearing puts me a little below
that, I think. My tune-ups and rebuilds are pretty cheap, though.
>
> I'll let everyone know how the repair goes.
>
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals |
You're welcome. Clif
Thanks, Clif, I have added that link to my 'Favorites' list. Thanks
again. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
Try here. I have the manuals, operating, overhaul and parts,
from them;
https://www.esscoaircraft.com/c-6986-lycoming-235-290-435-series.aspx
Clif
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| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Kelly the fuse half looks too good for a test. Looks like it needs to fly.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: M.Perez Hints videos |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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| Subject: | Floorboards and rudder pedals... |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Hope everyone has been enjoying building season as it sure has not been flying
season at least not in Seattle lately.
For those of you with wooden fuselages, you don't have to worry about floorboards
- the floorboards ARE the structure itself...! Well for the steel-tube version
I needed to look at floor design details from Cubs, Taylorcrafts, Wacos, etc...
My floorboards will be bolted to tabs that will get welded to the structure.
I laminated the floor panels a few months ago but had to revise them this past
weekend to fit them around the new rudder pedals and brake cylinders I got from
Aircraft Spruce.
Not all the joints are fully cluster welded yet but it's coming along...
Regards,
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
Members of the list:
I am ready to order the material for my rubber bar and forward controls. Please
tell me how to flatten the ends as seen in the plans. I think my way of doing
this (vise and torch) is not the best way.
Advice is well appreicated.
Village idiot...
KMHeide
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
One of the Tony B books has a really good description of the process. I think
I did it his way and as I recall it worked nice.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Mar 8, 2011 11:01 AM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tell me how...
>
>
>Members of the list:
>
>I am ready to order the material for my rubber bar and forward controls. Please
tell me how to flatten the ends as seen in the plans. I think my way of doing
this (vise and torch) is not the best way.
>
>Advice is well appreicated.
>
>Village idiot...
>
>KMHeide
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Vise and torch worked for me.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
I was wondering the same thing. Except, I'm using 4130, not stainless or rubber.
Ken, you started it again!
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Wow! Love the B-25... my Grandpa flew them in the Pacific.
Oh, the fuse side look great too! :D
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Wow! Love the B-25... my Grandpa flew them in the Pacific.
Oh, the fuse side look great too! :D
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
I was curious how to get the 1/2" 20ga. tube connecting the control sticks
flattened to one side. When I heat and squeeze the tubing, it tends to
uniformly come together like the ends of the rudder bar. I haven't tried
heat and a hammer.
I double checked, I couldn't find a rubber bar, but the plans do specifically
call for a Rubber stick grip on the control stick.
If that Kenyan's airplane will fly, I think Mike's will too... just use light
rudder control force.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Floorboards and rudder pedals... |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Jake,
I am currently building a steel tube fuselage Airplane
Recommended for lightweight floorboards is 032 sheet aluminum (2024)
Bolted to tabs, tabs welded to tubing with 12 inch spacing.
Rudder pedals and brake cylinders are mounted to tubing.
Hans
Waller, TX
NX 15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: aerocarjake <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 11:03 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floorboards and rudder pedals...
Hope everyone has been enjoying =C3=A2=C2=C2=9Cbuilding=C3=A2=C2=C2
=9D season as it sure has not been
=C2=C2=9Cflying=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D season =C3=A2=C2=C2=93 at least not
in Seattle lately.
For those of you with wooden fuselages, you don't have to worry about
loorboards - the floorboards ARE the structure itself...! Well for the
teel-tube version I needed to look at floor design details from Cubs,
aylorcrafts, Wacos, etc... My floorboards will be bolted to tabs that will
get
elded to the structure.
I laminated the floor panels a few months ago but had to revise them this p
ast
eekend to fit them around the new rudder pedals and brake cylinders I got f
rom
ircraft Spruce.
Not all the joints are fully cluster welded yet but it's coming along...
Regards,
--------
ake Schultz - curator,
ewport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
Ken I've had good luck with a 12 ton press, no vise marks or concern about
the metal changing properties with heating. I also place a doubler in the
tube and weld the end shut. No problems with cracking yet. For a bend in
the center I place a support under the tube end. For a bend to one side I
place the tube flat on the arbor plate. Wish the tail fittings were as
easy!
Jack
DSM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide
CPO/FAAOP
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tell me how...
Members of the list:
I am ready to order the material for my rubber bar and forward controls.
Please tell me how to flatten the ends as seen in the plans. I think my way
of doing this (vise and torch) is not the best way.
Advice is well appreicated.
Village idiot...
KMHeide
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| Subject: | Re: Real Airplane Engine,manuals |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Here is another good source for airplane engine manuals.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
| From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Seeing as the Village Idiot has trouble with words, maybe a picture will help.
Chris
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: corvair engine |
----- Original Message -----
From: nanapapa2000
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:14 AM
Subject: corvair engine
i see by your post on the piet list you are looking at corvair engines.
i have a engine that was put together at the aeromax shop and run on
their test stand for 2 hours with good temps and oil press. no leaks. if
you go to aeromaxaviation.com and look at the fb100 you will get all the
info. i am asking 7500.00 fob GAINESVILLE FL .please share this info .
Thanks
John Whitman
352 339 1154 cell
352 472 5763 hm
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
Excellent Chris...
Thank You!
Ken H
--- On Tue, 3/8/11, Catdesigns wrote:
> From: Catdesigns <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tell me how...
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 2:32 PM
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted
> by: "Catdesigns"
>
> Seeing as the Village Idiot has trouble with words, maybe a
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> Chris
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> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Chris, a picture is worth a thousand misspelled words.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Tell me how... |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Very nice Chris. Thank you for taking the time to draw this up and show the
assembled. This is definitely the right way to do it.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 2:35 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tell me how...
Seeing as the Village Idiot has trouble with words, maybe a picture will he
lp.
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: corvair engine |
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
No offense to that gentleman, but you'd do well to avoid anything coming
from the Aeromax group. Hit up the Corvaircraft group archives:
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp
<http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp>and search for
Aeromax, give it a read.
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Charles Campbell
wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* nanapapa2000
> *To:* Charles Campbell
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:14 AM
> *Subject:* corvair engine
>
> i see by your post on the piet list you are looking at corvair engines. i
> have a engine that was put together at the aeromax shop and run on their
> test stand for 2 hours with good temps and oil press. no leaks. if you go to
> aeromaxaviation.com and look at the fb100 you will get all the info. i am
> asking 7500.00 fob GAINESVILLE FL .please share this info .
>
> Thanks
> John Whitman
> 352 339 1154 cell
> 352 472 5763 hm
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: corvair engine |
I was holding my breath on that one to, Ryan.- I believe there was (is) a
bitter rivalry with W.W. and that guy.- Basically ripped off his work an
d designs from what I have read about.
Shad
--- On Tue, 3/8/11, Ryan Mueller wrote:
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: corvair engine
Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 11:24 PM
No offense to that gentleman, but you'd do well to avoid anything coming fr
om the Aeromax group. Hit up the Corvaircraft group archives:
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp
and search for Aeromax, give it a read.
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Charles Campbell wrote:
-
----- Original Message -----
From: nanapapa2000
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:14 AM
Subject: corvair engine
i see by your post on the piet list you are looking at corvair engines. i h
ave a engine that was put together at the aeromax shop and run on their tes
t stand for 2 hours with good temps and oil press. no leaks. if you go to a
eromaxaviation.com and look at the fb100 you will get all the info. i am as
king 7500.00 fob GAINESVILLE- FL .please share this info .
Thanks
John Whitman
352 339 1154 cell
352 472 5763 hm
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| Subject: | Re: Hans- new project (off topic) |
| From: | hvandervoo(at)aol.com |
Oscar,
I started to get ideas about an improved Air Camper, as many improvements h
ave been suggested on this list.
Increasing the width to 42 inches for side by side seating.
It ended up being a 4 seater.
For comfort I enclosed the cockpit.
Increased length by a few feet to compensate for a heavier more powerful en
gine.
I liked the smoothness of the 6 cylinder Corvair so I stuck with a 6 but wi
th more cubic inches (470) and a HP (230)
Engine is made by a Chinese owned company.
To control weight and increased strength I decided on a steel tube fuselage
.
Increased wingspan by a few feet to create extra lift.
For strength and weight savings I choose aluminum for the wing.
To keep landing speeds down and roll out short I added flaps.
Toyed with the name Air Camper XL
Then I found out that Bob Barrows a Pietenpol builder already designed this
airplane and called it a Bearhawk
Fuselage is all welded up, working on wings
Hans
Waller TX
NX15KV Pietenpol Air Camper
N......... Bearhawk
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2011 7:54 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hans- new project (off topic)
K, Hans... now you've got me curious. What are you building now?
teel tube frame, could be just about anything! One-place, or two?
onoplane or biplane? Conventional gear or tricycle? Aircraft
ngine or converted automotive engine? Inquiring minds want to know!
o not archive
Oscar Zuniga
ir Camper NX41CC "Scout"
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: corvair engine |
I know that if I go the Corvair route I will stick with WW. I've had
his book and all his videos for a while now. Don't know anything about
Aeromax.
----- Original Message -----
From: shad bell
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: corvair engine
I was holding my breath on that one to, Ryan. I believe there
was (is) a bitter rivalry with W.W. and that guy. Basically ripped off
his work and designs from what I have read about.
Shad
--- On Tue, 3/8/11, Ryan Mueller wrote:
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: corvair engine
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 11:24 PM
No offense to that gentleman, but you'd do well to avoid
anything coming from the Aeromax group. Hit up the Corvaircraft group
archives:
http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp
and search for Aeromax, give it a read.
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Charles Campbell
wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: nanapapa2000
To: Charles Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:14 AM
Subject: corvair engine
i see by your post on the piet list you are looking at
corvair engines. i have a engine that was put together at the aeromax
shop and run on their test stand for 2 hours with good temps and oil
press. no leaks. if you go to aeromaxaviation.com and look at the fb100
you will get all the info. i am asking 7500.00 fob GAINESVILLE FL
.please share this info .
Thanks
John Whitman
352 339 1154 cell
352 472 5763 hm
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Is it just me??? |
Gents,
Is it just me or are you guys getting tired of the lawyer/rudder bar/
slightly antagonistic stuff going on lately. I'm almost starting to open my
list each morning with apprehension not knowing what next extraneous issue
we'll be batting around.
Here's a thought, let's take all that energy and direct it at building or
writing about. Pietenpols.. and courteously please.
Remember, we "don't want to disconcert the masses son."
Just a thought.
Douwe
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Is it just me??? |
Douwe, I agree wholeheartedly -- if that's a real word.
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 11:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is it just me???
Gents,
Is it just me or are you guys getting tired of the lawyer/rudder bar/
slightly antagonistic stuff going on lately. I'm almost starting to
open my list each morning with apprehension not knowing what next
extraneous issue we'll be batting around.
Here's a thought, let's take all that energy and direct it at building
or writing about. Pietenpols.. and courteously please.
Remember, we "don't want to disconcert the masses son."
Just a thought.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Firewall Forward |
Group,
Going through some boxes in the hangar just realized I have 2 Firewall
forward books from Tony Bingelis. Don't need 2, if someone is
interested $25 shipped.
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: Is it just me??? |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: corvair engine |
| From: | Rick Holland <at7000ft(at)gmail.com> |
Talking about ugly and nasty internet newsgroups Corvaircraft is the worst I
have ever seen. I pay no attention to it anymore and its almost enough to
make me consider using a real aircraft engine in my next project (but
probably not).
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:
> No offense to that gentleman, but you'd do well to avoid anything coming
> from the Aeromax group. Hit up the Corvaircraft group archives:
>
> http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp
>
> <http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/frame/index.jsp>and search for
> Aeromax, give it a read.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Charles Campbell <
> cncampbell(at)windstream.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* nanapapa2000
>> *To:* Charles Campbell
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:14 AM
>> *Subject:* corvair engine
>>
>> i see by your post on the piet list you are looking at corvair engines.
>> i have a engine that was put together at the aeromax shop and run on their
>> test stand for 2 hours with good temps and oil press. no leaks. if you go to
>> aeromaxaviation.com and look at the fb100 you will get all the info. i am
>> asking 7500.00 fob GAINESVILLE FL .please share this info .
>>
>> Thanks
>> John Whitman
>> 352 339 1154 cell
>> 352 472 5763 hm
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>> *
>>
>>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"A Foolish Consistency is the Hobgoblin of Little Minds"
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| From: | V Groah <vgroah(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Is it just me??? |
this site is great for the camaraderie and information that it brings us bu
ilders and flyers. I agree=2C keep on subject and keep it positive.
From: cncampbell(at)windstream.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is it just me???
Date: Wed=2C 9 Mar 2011 12:14:02 -0500
Douwe=2C I agree wholeheartedly -- if that's a real word.
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday=2C March 09=2C 2011 11:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is it just me???
Gents=2C
Is it just me or are you guys getting tired of the lawyer/rudder bar/ sligh
tly antagonistic stuff going on lately. I=92m almost starting to open my l
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
Just to give us a new string to talk about, anybody else planning to fly
to Sun-N-Fun?
>
> Gents,
>
> Is it just me or are you guys getting tired of the lawyer/rudder
> bar/ slightly antagonistic stuff going on lately. I'm almost
> starting to open my list each morning with apprehension not
> knowing what next extraneous issue we'll be batting around.
>
> Here's a thought, let's take all that energy and direct it at
> building or writing about... Pietenpols.. and courteously please.
>
> Remember, we "don't want to disconcert the masses son..."
>
> Just a thought...
>
> Douwe
>
> *
>
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>
> *
>
>
> *
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Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
When you attach the 2 tail brace cables to the top v-stab bracket, is it
acceptable to just use a thimble?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: V-Stab Fittings |
I sure hope everyone's answer to this is yes, this is how I'm doing them. Deburring/chamfering
the holes a bit first of course.
jm
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack
Sent: Mar 9, 2011 12:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: V-Stab Fittings
When you attach the 2 tail brace cables to the top v-stab bracket, is it acceptable
to just use a thimble?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Props and hub and progress |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
So my 4 bolt prop hub came in the mail today from Ken P...it looks great... and
i got Dans prop carving CD with the last Aircraft Spruce order and now i can
hardly wait to put the two together and make sawdust.
My engine is almost done... the short block anyway and should be coming from antique
engine up by chicago..
cut out and formed both aileron horns and welded one up before i had to go out
of town last week.... not as hard as i thought.. looks good and is strong for
sure
cut out my ailerons last week too.. a few more brackets and i can mount the wing
man i can't wait to fly this thing
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Props and hub and progress |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Sounds cool... and that's a great N-number.
What is this? Looks mean!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Props and hub and progress |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
its a Ragwing Special.... i built it about 12 years ago... wood and fabric.. like
building the piet but with aluminum fittings that were all bolted and simple...
it was fun to fly..but i made the mistake of using a two stroke and never
trusted it after the one time it quit on me.... luckily i was on a tight downwind
i've thought of building another one with a better engine
jeff
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| From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Frank M (red/silver) and Bruce Laird (White/Blue) are flying their Big Piets
down to Sun n Fun this year. Harold J (yellow) and I are flying our J3's
down so we can participate in the Cub Convoy of 100+ Cubs. I am trying to
talk Gardiner Mason to join us with his Piet, so I need help on the arm
twisting. All in all we are flying: 2 J3 Cubs, 2 Big Piets, 1 Pietenpol, 1
Taylorcraft, 1 Champ, 1 ultralite and possible 1 Chief. Should be a fun
flight down from Carrollton, Ga (just West of Atlanta).
Barry Davis
_____
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun
Just to give us a new string to talk about, anybody else planning to fly to
Sun-N-Fun?
Gents,
Is it just me or are you guys getting tired of the lawyer/rudder bar/
slightly antagonistic stuff going on lately. I'm almost starting to open my
list each morning with apprehension not knowing what next extraneous issue
we'll be batting around.
Here's a thought, let's take all that energy and direct it at building or
writing about. Pietenpols.. and courteously please.
Remember, we "don't want to disconcert the masses son."
Just a thought.
Douwe
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"
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Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Ken,
I was wondering if you still have that source available for a Corvair engine or
two that might be available. I'm interested. For that matter, anyone else in
Minnesota that might know of a guy with an engine available for purchase and
re-build, I'd be interested. None of the local salvage places seem to have any.
I suspect there are a lot more engines kept/hidden in barns and storage sheds
around here than you'll find on e-bay or on Craig's list. Any help would
be appreciated.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: V-Stab Fittings |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
That is how I did it Jack.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
March issue of Sport Aviation, Page 94... "On the Numbers"
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? |
| From: | "heavyliftpilot" <heavyliftpilot(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Tom, I have two blocks with cranks, cams, cylinders, and rods. one block has
a factory nitrated crank. I'll have to go look at them to get the numbers off
the block, but i'm looking to get rid of my excess corvair stuff. Thanks,
James. rincon, ga
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| Subject: | Re: Props and hub and progress |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Jeff,
How did you find the ragwing plans? I have plans for several of the ragwing designs
and hope to build from them. Currently finishing a GN-1 project that I
bought.
I liked some of the detailing and the structure seemed pretty effecient.
How did you like flying the Special?
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Gary and all
That might be a relitive of mine.
Dick N.
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| From: | KM Heide CPO/FAAOP <kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? |
Tom,
-
Contact me off line and I'll will give you the name of a guy who has severa
l.
-
Ken H
701-793-3030
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--- On Wed, 3/9/11, tdudley(at)umn.edu wrote:
From: tdudley(at)umn.edu <tdudley(at)umn.edu>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine?
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 5:16 PM
Ken,
I was wondering if you still have that source available for a Corvair engin
e or two that might be available.- I'm interested.- For that matter, an
yone else in Minnesota that might know of a guy with an engine available fo
r purchase and re-build, I'd be interested.- None of the local salvage pl
aces seem to have any.- I suspect there are a lot more engines kept/hidde
n in barns and storage sheds around here than you'll find on e-bay or on Cr
aig's list.- Any help would be appreciated.
Tom
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
There was a comic artist named Gahan Wilson that did
these truly bizarre single panel drawings. They were
syndicated so you may have seen some of them. This
one that I can never forget is this big overstuffed chair
with a hand going down for the third time. Just like
this. Better grab onto that blue gloved friend of yours and
pull him out of there before he disappears forever!
http://www.gahanwilson.com/
Clif
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wilson test
Gary and all
That might be a relitive of mine.
Dick N.
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? |
Mr. Dudley:
Go to the Corvair Society of America (CORSA) website using the link below.
Search the chapters for the one closest to you and use the info to make a
couple of calls. That is how I found my core engine out here in middle
America.
http://www.corvair.org/csaindex.php
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> "tdudley(at)umn.edu" 3/9/2011 5:16 PM >>>
I was wondering if you still have that source available for a Corvair
engine or two that might be available.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | MGL Electronic Tach |
| From: | Gordon Bowen <gordon.bowen.training(at)gmail.com> |
Group,
My old Lyco 0-235 tach cable began to turn in the gear case drive, thus not
turning the tach. Because it was a non-standard length Spruce wanted a small
fortune for a new tach inter-cable. Two points, flying without a tach
working properly, is darn hard. I did not realize how dependent I had
become on looking down at the tach while setting up for a landings. It's
naturally possible to do, establish a 60 kt, 500 ft'/min glide, but a heck a
lot easier with a tach. Second point, I'm gonna install a MGL Velocity RPM
tach from Air Spruce. This tach picks up the signal from the P lead on the
mag. Question, anyone out there had any experience with this instrument?
If so, anything second thoughts or suggestions to keep from frying it,
etc.? The installation stuff suggests a 10K ohm resistor between the P
lead and the Tach feed, has this proven enough?
Thanks
Gordon Bowen
Anthem AZ
Quasi-Piete N-1033B
694 hrs and counting
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Props and hub and progress |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Jon,
I did the first flight and the first 40 hours in a Ragwing Special that a friend
of mine built. I was very surprised at how much it flew like the Piet. It
is very roomy inside too. It likes 3 point take offs and landings. Wheel landings
are useless and raising the tail on take off was a waste of time and used
twice as much runway. He had a 440 cc Kawasaki in it first. It broke a crank
at 8 hours and the landing was uneventful. He then put in a 55 HP Hirth.
It was a better choice of engines and ran smoother.
I got the owner current in the front seat of my Piet and then turned him loose
in his Ragwing. It was a good transition for him and he has had no problems.
It is a very fun airplane to own and fly. I give it a 9 out of 10. The Piet is
a 10 out of 10.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333458#333458
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I'd like to give everyone who participated in this topic a hand...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333460#333460
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| Subject: | Re: A great deal on Barnstormers |
| From: | "Blue Sky" <lylefast(at)hotmail.com> |
Bill Church wrote:
> Looks like a great opportunity for someone.
>
> Bill C.
Bill C. and group,
I want to thank you guy's for the information you share. I have purchased this
project. This is the early steps of a lifelong(well 40 years of it anyways!)
dream. To cruise above this fabulous planet low and slow. I have survived a great
career as a mountain guide working in the highest elevation production heli
skiing in the world, in the Himalayas. Now I look forward to tinkering on my
own machine, choosing only the weather I like and coming home when I want!
I have a ton of questions but will restrain myself and slowly research the easy
ones and turn to you guys when needed.
Thanks again,
Lyle Fast
--------
My passion for the landscape has lead me to the sky.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333461#333461
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| From: | "Ozarkflyer" <lragan(at)hotmail.com> |
Clif
Gahan Wilson was the only reason I subscribed to Playboy. [Rolling Eyes]
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333462#333462
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| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Gordon,
Not a direct answer to your question, but have you checked out local automotive
shops who build tach and speedo cables?
Gary Boothe
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MGL Electronic Tach |
Well, I have one of these tachs but I only have 2.7 hours of ground run time on
it and I'm using a tooth counter instead of a p lead signal. It has been
working fine for me thus far but my installation is different than yours.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
________________________________
From: Gordon Bowen <gordon.bowen.training(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 8:20:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: MGL Electronic Tach
Group,
My old Lyco 0-235 tach cable began to turn in the gear case drive, thus not
turning the tach. Because it was a non-standard length Spruce wanted a small
fortune for a new tach inter-cable. Two points, flying without a tach working
properly, is darn hard. I did not realize how dependent I had become on looking
down at the tach while setting up for a landings. It's naturally possible to do,
establish a 60 kt, 500 ft'/min glide, but a heck a lot easier with a tach.
Second point, I'm gonna install a MGL Velocity RPM tach from Air Spruce. This
tach picks up the signal from the P lead on the mag. Question, anyone out there
had any experience with this instrument? If so, anything second thoughts or
suggestions to keep from frying it, etc.? The installation stuff suggests a
10K ohm resistor between the P lead and the Tach feed, has this proven enough?
Thanks
Gordon Bowen
Anthem AZ
Quasi-Piete N-1033B
694 hrs and counting
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Good read about Jeff Boatright |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I just happened upon Emory's web site and found a great read about Jeff. He is
doing some great work and is taking on more. Jeff be careful to leave time to
fly the Pietenpol.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333465#333465
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| Subject: | Re: KM Heide or Minnesota Corvair Engine? |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Thanks to all for the responses. Ken, I'll give you a call in the next day or
two if that'd be okay. Now that the snow is starting to thaw (at least a little
anyway), we'll have to plan a visit so I can see your build. I'll also check
the Corsa website for a local chapter. Kind of interested also in the Georgia
Corvair engine given that if I used that nearly every part of my plane would
have come out of Georgia (my orders are delivered from the Peach Tree City,
GA Aircraft Spruce). If I haven't any luck between now and Brodhead, I can follow
Ryan's lead on my first trip there this July (I can hardly wait for that
trip!).
Again, thanks to all.
Tom
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333467#333467
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| Subject: | Re: Props and hub and progress |
| From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
i bought the plans years ago... simple plane to build and fly..
nice to hear the piet fly like the special
i actually think a change in the airfoil on the special would be a good idea..
it has the airfoil used on the later pitts...not flat on the bottom.... and its
not that great for the special speeds. lots of guys had to change the angle
of incidence i added about 2 degrees to both wings if i remember correctly to
get it to fly more level
i actually soloed in that plane... it was way easy to land
i may build another some day.. and maybe with a clark Y and a VW
jeff faith
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| Subject: | Re: Props and hub and progress |
| From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
We considered the VW but we were flying it as an ultralight and didn't want to
add the weight. As it was, it was already heavy. It is now in the experimental
category since the light sport rules. I think this link will show you the
plane.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.eaa49.av.org/gifs/lapin01.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.eaa49.av.org/gifs/lapinsky.htm&usg=__hjyNAxNsmb1kWGSi2chvVK7m3Tg=&h=338&w=432&sz=74&hl=en&start=2&zoom=1&tbnid=7yN2vcCllpHOqM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=126&ei=gSl5TaqXLYGosAOqqoSGAw&prev=/images%3Fq%3DScott%2BLiefeld%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D832%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333469#333469
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| From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Props and hub and progress |
Might not be a Piet but it sure is cute anyway.
Stinemetze
>>> "AircamperN11MS" 3/10/2011 1:44 PM >>>
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: V-Stab Fittings |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
My spring is about 2/3 of a dirt bike rear coil spring. I cut it off and ground
the end smooth. Works for me. Price was right.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333492#333492
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Yeah me too!
>
> Clif
>
> Gahan Wilson was the only reason I subscribed to Playboy. [Rolling Eyes]
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Props and hub and progress |
| From: | "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon(at)frontiernet.net> |
Thanks for the information,
That is a nice looking little bird.
I used to follow a ragwing forum but it got too nasty, and too much misinformation.
That is what I like about this group. Much more professional.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: V-Stab Fittings |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Gene,
Thanks for the update on your plane's progress. Sounds like a lot to accomplish
before Broadhead, but I sure hope you can get it done. I started my project
a few months before you posted the pictures of your uncovered plane last fall.
Beautiful. One of those pics is the desktop for all the computers I own and
is good inspiration. It'd be great to see it done. Good luck.
Tom (one of those doctors that does cut off arms but ALWAYS double-checks first!)
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| Subject: | Looking like a plane |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
Howdy,down to the engine mount and cowling,dave
--------
Covering Piet
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333520#333520
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/2011_03_10_18_25_32_347_123.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Looking like a plane |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
sorry heres a resized one
--------
Covering Piet
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333521#333521
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MGL Electronic Tach |
I looked at that setup when I figured out how long the tach cable needed
to be for a Pietenpol. It was still cheaper to just special order the
cable than to go with a whole new setup, and the mechanical tach doesn't
require any electricity or have the possibility of opening up your
p-lead circuit. I lost the tach in flight on my old Baby Ace once, and
it really is a lot harder to fly without it.
Ben Charvet
On 3/10/2011 11:20 AM, Gordon Bowen wrote:
> Group,
> My old Lyco 0-235 tach cable began to turn in the gear case drive,
> thus not turning the tach. Because it was a non-standard length Spruce
> wanted a small fortune for a new tach inter-cable. Two points, flying
> without a tach working properly, is darn hard. I did not realize how
> dependent I had become on looking down at the tach while setting up
> for a landings. It's naturally possible to do, establish a 60 kt, 500
> ft'/min glide, but a heck a lot easier with a tach. Second point, I'm
> gonna install a MGL Velocity RPM tach from Air Spruce. This tach
> picks up the signal from the P lead on the mag. Question, anyone out
> there had any experience with this instrument? If so, anything second
> thoughts or suggestions to keep from frying it, etc.? The
> installation stuff suggests a 10K ohm resistor between the P lead and
> the Tach feed, has this proven enough?
> Thanks
> Gordon Bowen
> Anthem AZ
> Quasi-Piete N-1033B
> 694 hrs and counting
> *
>
>
> *
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Looking like a plane |
| From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Looking good man. What engine are you going to use?
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
using Lycoming O-235
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333528#333528
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| Subject: | Re: Looking like a plane |
| From: | "Dangerous Dave" <dsornbor(at)aol.com> |
using a lycoming O 235 125hp
--------
Covering Piet
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Gene's progress and mine |
Gene, love reading about your progress, I feel the same way right now about
the millions of details before she's finished. I, for one, am just trying
to "touch the project every day" without thinking about Brodhead too much.
I too have used your "barebones" photo (not you, your plane) for my
screensaver and am completely confident she'll be a magnificent flying
machine, especially with that paint job someone (Dan Helsper) stole from you
(just kidding Dan!)
If you make it this year, great, if next year. great also, plus you'll have
more time to work any bugs out before a big cross country.
I have been working away on the new engine installation. It's surprising
what a big deal a changeover is, especially as this new one will have a
small electrical system. New engine controls and instruments to mount in
what I intended to be a super clean and simple cockpit, so I'm trying to
find places to "hide" things yet keeping them handy.
The engine is off being rebuilt and converted from an 0200 to a C90 while I
do the wiring and plumbing. The new cowling is about 75% done. Installing
cool louvers, sanding, etc, etc, etc.
New gear is pretty much finished. Am using 28X3 smooth clinchers with
covered wheels. Just mounted them and they look pretty darn sweet.
So, gotta finish all that, varnish new holes, secure all new additions,
paint little brackets etc and then cover the fuse and empennage.
Oh yeah, and finish enlarging my wing tank to accommodate the thirstier new
engine (the jobs really never do seem to end)
ALL YOU BUILDERS OUT THERE, KEEP AT IT, TRY TO TOUCH IT EVERY DAY, LOOK AT
THE PROJECT AS A BUNCH OF LITTLE PROJECTS AND ENJOY COMPLETING EACH ONE.
DON'T WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT DEADLINES, JUST KEEP BUILDING AND DON'T STOP AND
ONE DAY SHE'LL BE DONE AND YOUR "TO DO" LIST WILL BE COMPLETELY CHECKED OFF.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Gene's progress and mine |
Douwe, just a word of appreciation and congratulations on your project. I
know what you've had to go through, better than most. When I had a forced
landing in my Pietenpol just a few weeks after its first flight and was
faced with 8 months of repairs before flying it again I almost sold the pile
of scrap and gave up. Building the Pietenpol was fun, rebuilding it was no
fun at all, and a lot of unpleasant work. You never even got to fly your
airplane (I had nearly 7 hours on mine when I tore it up), so you don't even
know what it feels like to fly something you built yourself.
Keep at it - you're almost there. And you will be prouder than ever of the
results. You have demonstrated just what kind of drive and determination
you possess. And you should be very proud.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gene's progress and mine
Gene, love reading about your progress, I feel the same way right now about
the millions of details before she's finished. I, for one, am just trying
to "touch the project every day" without thinking about Brodhead too much.
I too have used your "barebones" photo (not you, your plane) for my
screensaver and am completely confident she'll be a magnificent flying
machine, especially with that paint job someone (Dan Helsper) stole from you
(just kidding Dan!)
If you make it this year, great, if next year. great also, plus you'll have
more time to work any bugs out before a big cross country.
I have been working away on the new engine installation. It's surprising
what a big deal a changeover is, especially as this new one will have a
small electrical system. New engine controls and instruments to mount in
what I intended to be a super clean and simple cockpit, so I'm trying to
find places to "hide" things yet keeping them handy.
The engine is off being rebuilt and converted from an 0200 to a C90 while I
do the wiring and plumbing. The new cowling is about 75% done. Installing
cool louvers, sanding, etc, etc, etc.
New gear is pretty much finished. Am using 28X3 smooth clinchers with
covered wheels. Just mounted them and they look pretty darn sweet.
So, gotta finish all that, varnish new holes, secure all new additions,
paint little brackets etc and then cover the fuse and empennage.
Oh yeah, and finish enlarging my wing tank to accommodate the thirstier new
engine (the jobs really never do seem to end)
ALL YOU BUILDERS OUT THERE, KEEP AT IT, TRY TO TOUCH IT EVERY DAY, LOOK AT
THE PROJECT AS A BUNCH OF LITTLE PROJECTS AND ENJOY COMPLETING EACH ONE.
DON'T WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT DEADLINES, JUST KEEP BUILDING AND DON'T STOP AND
ONE DAY SHE'LL BE DONE AND YOUR "TO DO" LIST WILL BE COMPLETELY CHECKED OFF.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | LeBlond 60 hp radial for sale |
| From: | Ken Chambers <ken.riffic(at)gmail.com> |
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/1204148.html
Might make a good Piet engine
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Douwe and Gene's Home Stretch in Accomplishing the Big |
Kielbasa !
It really is GREAT to read of how close we are to having TWO BRAND NEW Piet
epols so close to coming off the assembly line in reading the progress
reports of Douwe and Gene Rambo's progress.
I recall the excitement last year and chatter that spread like WILDFIRE amo
ng the Saturday crowd on that sunny Saturday last year at Brodhead when we
heard
Dan Helsper's sweet-sounding Ford A engine coming toward the field from the
east and then seeing his gorgeous yellow and black Pietenpol fly overhead
was
enough to give you the chills !
For all of those late nights alone, cut fingers, hot metal pieces that burn
ed your hands....for all of that T-88 that got in your hair, on your shirts
and jeans...for all
of the coughing you did after sanding a piece of wood to make it fit just r
ight or look so nice....for all of those little details that you agonized o
ver but slowly
fell into place with perseverance, willpower, and discipline......and mostl
y for the PASSIONATE attitude you have to have to FINISH one of these plans
-built
homebuilts I commend you with the utmost regard and respect for keeping wit
h it year after year after year and NOT giving up. NOT saying screw it.
For NOT
letting those depressing events and failures along the way keep you from fi
nishing it or putting it up for sale on Barnstormers for there is only ONE
thing BETTER
than building and finishing your Pietenpol and that is flying it and flying
it to BRODHEAD is one of the cr=E8me de la cr=E8me of life's experiences
and blessings.
Like John Hofmann says about the lines in The Great Waldo Pepper: there is
a line in that movie for every facet of life and in this case I'm going to
quote the
CAA Inspector Newt talking with Axel and Waldo the night before the filming
of the big dogfight movie scene "I don't know about you guys, but I woul
dn't miss it
for the world."
[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CBDFE6.F1E54E00]
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| Subject: | Re: Douwe and Gene's Home Stretch in Accomplishing the |
Big Kielbasa !
| From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
I wish the video had come out better, but it's still pretty cool! A special
day indeed. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHheb54LX9s
Hey NEWT!
Ryan
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHheb54LX9s>
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] wrote:
>
>
> It really is GREAT to read of how close we are to having TWO BRAND NEW
> Pietepols so close to coming off the assembly line in reading the progres
s
>
> reports of Douwe and Gene Rambo=92s progress.
>
>
> I recall the excitement last year and chatter that spread like WILDFIRE
> among the Saturday crowd on that sunny Saturday last year at Brodhead whe
n
> we heard
>
> Dan Helsper=92s sweet-sounding Ford A engine coming toward the field from
the
> east and then seeing his gorgeous yellow and black Pietenpol fly overhead
> was
>
> enough to give you the chills !
>
>
> For all of those late nights alone, cut fingers, hot metal pieces that
> burned your hands=85.for all of that T-88 that got in your hair, on your
> shirts and jeans=85for all
>
> of the coughing you did after sanding a piece of wood to make it fit just
> right or look so nice=85.for all of those little details that you agonize
d
> over but slowly
>
> fell into place with perseverance, willpower, and discipline=85=85and mos
tly
> for the PASSIONATE attitude you have to have to FINISH one of these
> plans-built
>
> homebuilts I commend you with the utmost regard and respect for keeping
> with it year after year after year and NOT giving up. NOT saying screw
> it. For NOT
>
> letting those depressing events and failures along the way keep you from
> finishing it or putting it up for sale on Barnstormers for there is only
ONE
> thing BETTER
>
> than building and finishing your Pietenpol and that is flying it and flyi
ng
> it to BRODHEAD is one of the cr=E8me de la cr=E8me of life=92s experienc
es and
> blessings.
>
>
> Like John Hofmann says about the lines in The Great Waldo Pepper: there
is
> a line in that movie for every facet of life and in this case I=92m going
to
> quote the
>
> CAA Inspector Newt talking with Axel and Waldo the night before the filmi
ng
> of the big dogfight movie scene =93I don=92t know about you guys, but I
> wouldn=92t miss it
>
> for the world.=94
>
>
> [image: http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsL/10294-7690.jpg]
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
What is involved with converting an O-200 to a C-90 and why would you elect to
do so? Sounds interesting.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
The engine is off being rebuilt and converted from an 0200
to a C90
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| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
As builders progress with their projects, and post occasional photos, detailing
their handiwork, there are always a few that stand out because of the fine level
of craftsmanship that is obviously going into the construction. Those are
the projects that I really look forward to seeing in the completed state. And
Gene's and Douwe's planes both fall into that category for me. I am eagerly looking
forward to seeing both of those beauties at Brodhead... whenever they happen
to make it.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333565#333565
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| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
Ditto on yours too Bill!
Scott Knowlton
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:48:58
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
As builders progress with their projects, and post occasional photos, detailing
their handiwork, there are always a few that stand out because of the fine level
of craftsmanship that is obviously going into the construction. Those are
the projects that I really look forward to seeing in the completed state. And
Gene's and Douwe's planes both fall into that category for me. I am eagerly looking
forward to seeing both of those beauties at Brodhead... whenever they happen
to make it.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333565#333565
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
Hey Jack, what caused your forced landing. Your crank didn't snap on your 6
5 did =0Ait? He He, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matron
ics.com=0ASent: Fri, March 11, 2011 10:21:47 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-Li
st: Gene's progress and mine=0A=0A =0ADouwe, just a word of appreciation an
d congratulations on your project. I know =0Awhat you=99ve had to go
through, better than most. When I had a forced landing in =0Amy Pietenpol
just a few weeks after its first flight and was faced with 8 months =0Aof
repairs before flying it again I almost sold the pile of scrap and gave up.
=0ABuilding the Pietenpol was fun, rebuilding it was no fun at all, and a
lot of =0Aunpleasant work. You never even got to fly your airplane (I had
nearly 7 hours =0Aon mine when I tore it up), so you don=99t even kn
ow what it feels like to fly =0Asomething you built yourself.=0A =0AKeep at
it =93 you=99re almost there. And you will be prouder than ev
er of the =0Aresults. You have demonstrated just what kind of drive and de
termination you =0Apossess. And you should be very proud.=0A =0AJack Phill
ips=0ANX899JP =9CIcarus Plummet=9D=0ARaleigh, NC=0A =0A=0A____
____________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matroni
cs.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of D
ouwe Blumberg=0ASent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:48 AM=0ATo: pietenpolgroup
=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Gene's progress and mine=0A =0AGene, love readi
ng about your progress, I feel the same way right now about the =0Amillions
of details before she=99s finished. I, for one, am just trying to
=9Ctouch =0Athe project every day=9D without thinking about Bro
dhead too much. =0A=0A =0AI too have used your =9Cbarebones=9D
photo (not you, your plane) for my screensaver =0Aand am completely confid
ent she=99ll be a magnificent flying machine, especially =0Awith that
paint job someone (Dan Helsper) stole from you (just kidding Dan!) =0A=0A
=0AIf you make it this year, great, if next year great also, plus
you=99ll have more =0Atime to work any bugs out before a big cross c
ountry.=0A =0AI have been working away on the new engine installation. It
=99s surprising what a =0Abig deal a changeover is, especially as thi
s new one will have a small =0Aelectrical system. New engine controls and
instruments to mount in what I =0Aintended to be a super clean and simple c
ockpit, so I=99m trying to find places to =0A=9Chide=9D t
hings yet keeping them handy.=0A =0AThe engine is off being rebuilt and con
verted from an 0200 to a C90 while I do =0Athe wiring and plumbing. The ne
w cowling is about 75% done. Installing cool =0Alouvers, sanding, etc, etc
, etc.=0A =0ANew gear is pretty much finished. Am using 28X3 smooth clinch
ers with covered =0Awheels. Just mounted them and they look pretty darn sw
eet.=0A =0ASo, gotta finish all that, varnish new holes, secure all new add
itions, paint =0Alittle brackets etc and then cover the fuse and empennage.
=0A =0AOh yeah, and finish enlarging my wing tank to accommodate the thirst
ier new =0Aengine (the jobs really never do seem to end)=0A =0AALL YOU BUIL
DERS OUT THERE, KEEP AT IT, TRY TO TOUCH IT EVERY DAY, LOOK AT THE =0APROJE
CT AS A BUNCH OF LITTLE PROJECTS AND ENJOY COMPLETING EACH ONE. DON
=99T =0AWORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT DEADLINES, JUST KEEP BUILDING AND DON=99
T STOP AND ONE DAY =0ASHE=99LL BE DONE AND YOUR =9CTO DO
=9D LIST WILL BE COMPLETELY CHECKED OFF.=0A =0ADouwe =0A =0A =0Ahttp://ww
w.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Aht
==== =0A
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| Subject: | Gene's and Douwe's progress |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hello all you good people!!!!! (and I really mean that)
Yes, it is really good to hear of Douwe and Gene's progress, being so
close to showing-up at Brodhead for the first time. There is nothing
like it for us types.......Thank you to Ryan and Jess Meuller for
recording that arrival. I have watched it about a thousand times!!!
As a matter of fact, Gene called me the other day with a few incidental
questions and requests concerning such mundane things as motor mount
springs, Stewart System glue, and the like,........ but I could tell
the real underlying reason for his call was to try to get me to reveal
some more detailes about my black-and-yellow paint-job. I know
deep-down, he is still sore about the whole thing................He
actually thinks I stole HIS paint job....HA!!!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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| Subject: | Ford A engine mount springs |
| From: | "Brett Phillips" <bphillip(at)shentel.net> |
Dan's message about Gene and Douwe's progress triggered a question. Namely; what
are the Model A folks using for engine mount springs? I know there is a Ford
part number on the drawings, but something tells me that it is only a partial
number. Can anyone suggest a spring that fits and works well? The springs
that came with our ship do not match and have been "clearanced" with a grinder.
That last bit is what really sets me on edge...
Brett Phillips
Strasburg, VA
NX311GP
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333577#333577
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| Subject: | Re: Ford A engine mount springs |
| From: | "Brett Phillips" <bphillip(at)shentel.net> |
I should have done some research before posting, it appears that these springs
are a Model T part (shoulda known!). Here's a listing and picture from the Snyders
site:
http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/search.php?q=t-2742&x=0&y=0
Is anyone else using these springs to hold their Ford down?
Brett Phillips
Strasburg, VA
NX311GP
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333578#333578
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| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
| From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Yeah, way to go Gardiner.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Gene's progress and mine |
Nope. Stainless steel wool in the carb heat muff got loose and got
sucked
into the carburetor. It was a cold (29=B0) humid morning, flying over a
lake.
I started getting carb ice and pulled on full carb heat and full
throttle,
trying to keep up with a Husky for a photo shoot. Even a trusty,
reliable
Continental can=92t run with its carburetor throat full of steel wool.
Not my happiest day=85
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gene's progress and mine
Hey Jack, what caused your forced landing. Your crank didn't snap on
your 65
did it? He He, Gardiner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 10:21:47 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gene's progress and mine
Douwe, just a word of appreciation and congratulations on your project.
I
know what you=92ve had to go through, better than most. When I had a
forced
landing in my Pietenpol just a few weeks after its first flight and was
faced with 8 months of repairs before flying it again I almost sold the
pile
of scrap and gave up. Building the Pietenpol was fun, rebuilding it was
no
fun at all, and a lot of unpleasant work. You never even got to fly
your
airplane (I had nearly 7 hours on mine when I tore it up), so you
don=92t even
know what it feels like to fly something you built yourself.
Keep at it ' you=92re almost there. And you will be prouder than ever
of the
results. You have demonstrated just what kind of drive and
determination
you possess. And you should be very proud.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gene's progress and mine
Gene, love reading about your progress, I feel the same way right now
about
the millions of details before she=92s finished. I, for one, am just
trying
to =93touch the project every day=94 without thinking about Brodhead too
much.
I too have used your =93barebones=94 photo (not you, your plane) for my
screensaver and am completely confident she=92ll be a magnificent flying
machine, especially with that paint job someone (Dan Helsper) stole from
you
(just kidding Dan!)
If you make it this year, great, if next year=85 great also, plus
you=92ll have
more time to work any bugs out before a big cross country.
I have been working away on the new engine installation. It=92s
surprising
what a big deal a changeover is, especially as this new one will have a
small electrical system. New engine controls and instruments to mount
in
what I intended to be a super clean and simple cockpit, so I=92m trying
to
find places to =93hide=94 things yet keeping them handy.
The engine is off being rebuilt and converted from an 0200 to a C90
while I
do the wiring and plumbing. The new cowling is about 75% done.
Installing
cool louvers, sanding, etc, etc, etc.
New gear is pretty much finished. Am using 28X3 smooth clinchers with
covered wheels. Just mounted them and they look pretty darn sweet.
So, gotta finish all that, varnish new holes, secure all new additions,
paint little brackets etc and then cover the fuse and empennage.
Oh yeah, and finish enlarging my wing tank to accommodate the thirstier
new
engine (the jobs really never do seem to end)
ALL YOU BUILDERS OUT THERE, KEEP AT IT, TRY TO TOUCH IT EVERY DAY, LOOK
AT
THE PROJECT AS A BUNCH OF LITTLE PROJECTS AND ENJOY COMPLETING EACH ONE.
DON=92T WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT DEADLINES, JUST KEEP BUILDING AND DON=92T
STOP AND
ONE DAY SHE=92LL BE DONE AND YOUR =93TO DO=94 LIST WILL BE COMPLETELY
CHECKED OFF.
Douwe
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/contribution============
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Gene's and Douwe's progress |
So Dan, are you flying yours up from Tennessee this year?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gene's and Douwe's progress
Hello all you good people!!!!! (and I really mean that)
Yes, it is really good to hear of Douwe and Gene's progress, being so
close to showing-up at Brodhead for the first time. There is nothing
like it for us types.......Thank you to Ryan and Jess Meuller for
recording that arrival. I have watched it about a thousand times!!!
As a matter of fact, Gene called me the other day with a few incidental
questions and requests concerning such mundane things as motor mount
springs, Stewart System glue, and the like,........ but I could tell
the real underlying reason for his call was to try to get me to reveal
some more detailes about my black-and-yellow paint-job. I know
deep-down, he is still sore about the whole thing................He
actually thinks I stole HIS paint job....HA!!!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Hey all
I have been very busy getting ready for SNF. I have steel fittings from
Chet Peek and a Data plate from Oscar Zuniga plywood from Wicks
Aircraft, wood from Dave Aldrich and a Model A Ford engine from Gene
Rambo. Now we are all going to build a Fuselage which will be a long
model.
For anyone who is planning to build a Piet in the near future and wants
a good start on a project, this fuselage will be FOR SALE at Brodhead.
Stop in at the Wood Workshop. This is a benefit for the Brodhead
Airport new visitors Center.
Also at the Wood Workshop we will again be running Mike Cuys video again
if you want to check that out.
We normally have a great turnout of Piet people, so stop by and check us
out.
Dick N.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Jack - Not your happiest day but you pulled it off. And because you're a good
guy you shared your experience with me after my landing gear debacle. You also
told me that you rebuilt the airplane, though that process was very unpleasant,
and that you've flown the tar out of it since. Not sure if I thanked you
for your kindness at the time but I really appreciate it.
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333589#333589
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
Thanks, Kevin.
Seeing your Pietenpol foundered on the field at Brodhead brought up all
kinds of unpleasant memories. My broken axle was due to a pickup truck
being right where I needed to land, and I had to pull the nose up to slow
down and let it get out of the way. Then in keeping the plane from
stalling, I had to nose down so far I literally flew it into the ground and
broke the axle (unknown to me). I recovered from the bounce and made a
decent 3-point landing and was congratulating myself when the right wing
began to drop and full left rudder, left aileron and left brake couldn't
keep it straight and it went into the ditch and groundlooped.
One good thing that came out of my "Incident" was that when I called Karen
and told her I tore up the airplane (we were not married and had only been
dating for about a year), she immediately came out and gave me a hug, then
took charge of acquiring a flatbed trailer and supervised the disassembly
and loading of the airplane on the trailer (she had helped me move it to the
airport only 2 months before), while I was talking with the Highway Patrol,
the FAA and the NTSB (that's what happens when you land on a highway, but
in this part of the country there is little other choice - either highway or
forest, hence my desire for a dependable engine).
Anyway, that night I was lying awake at about 3:00 in the morning, playing
it over and over in my mind, trying to determine what went wrong. As I lay
there, I realized that in all of that, Karen never once said "I wish you'd
stop flying." So I rolled over and woke her up and asked her to marry me.
Her response was "Can it wait till morning?" She's been the perfect wife
ever since.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 11:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
Jack - Not your happiest day but you pulled it off. And because you're a
good guy you shared your experience with me after my landing gear debacle.
You also told me that you rebuilt the airplane, though that process was very
unpleasant, and that you've flown the tar out of it since. Not sure if I
thanked you for your kindness at the time but I really appreciate it.
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
Great read on your accident Jack. Thanks also for sharing. Were you able to see
the power lines across the highway before you landed? Around here you have a
lot of new pine growth to plough into, but up there you have some pretty hefty
trees. When I was flying in the marines over Lake Okechobe We were told to
plough into an island rather than into the water so as not to flip over and be
alligator meat. That big 3350 radial was a good weedeater. Also bailing out was
a no no. When is your B n B opening up? See you at Brodhead. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 7:45:03 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
Thanks, Kevin.
Seeing your Pietenpol foundered on the field at Brodhead brought up all
kinds of unpleasant memories. My broken axle was due to a pickup truck
being right where I needed to land, and I had to pull the nose up to slow
down and let it get out of the way. Then in keeping the plane from
stalling, I had to nose down so far I literally flew it into the ground and
broke the axle (unknown to me). I recovered from the bounce and made a
decent 3-point landing and was congratulating myself when the right wing
began to drop and full left rudder, left aileron and left brake couldn't
keep it straight and it went into the ditch and groundlooped.
One good thing that came out of my "Incident" was that when I called Karen
and told her I tore up the airplane (we were not married and had only been
dating for about a year), she immediately came out and gave me a hug, then
took charge of acquiring a flatbed trailer and supervised the disassembly
and loading of the airplane on the trailer (she had helped me move it to the
airport only 2 months before), while I was talking with the Highway Patrol,
the FAA and the NTSB (that's what happens when you land on a highway, but
in this part of the country there is little other choice - either highway or
forest, hence my desire for a dependable engine).
Anyway, that night I was lying awake at about 3:00 in the morning, playing
it over and over in my mind, trying to determine what went wrong. As I lay
there, I realized that in all of that, Karen never once said "I wish you'd
stop flying." So I rolled over and woke her up and asked her to marry me.
Her response was "Can it wait till morning?" She's been the perfect wife
ever since.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 11:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
Jack - Not your happiest day but you pulled it off. And because you're a
good guy you shared your experience with me after my landing gear debacle.
You also told me that you rebuilt the airplane, though that process was very
unpleasant, and that you've flown the tar out of it since. Not sure if I
thanked you for your kindness at the time but I really appreciate it.
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
Gardiner, on that landing I flew over one set of power lines and under
another, and never saw either one. Good help from Above, for sure.
I was at 800' AGL when the trouble started. The engine didn't quit until I
closed the throttle to land, when it obligingly stopped with the prop nearly
horizontal so I didn't have a prop strike, but it was only putting out about
1200 RPM - not enough to keep the plane in the air. I was coming down at
400 fpm according to the VSI, so I had a little less than 2 minutes to find
a place to land it. I was trying to make it to Deck Field, a 1300' airstrip
along US Highway 64, but I was still over a mile away when I was down to
200' and decided the highway was the best chance I had.
The FAA was very good about it, and there was no problem from them with me
landing on the highway (since nobody got hurt). They checked my paperwork
since I was still in Phase I (first flight had only been a few weeks before)
but everything was legal. They asked for a report once I determined the
cause of the partial power failure, and once I filed that I was free to
continue flying it after repairs were made. It was listed as an "incident"
with the NTSB since no one was hurt and no major damage occurred. Of
course, once I got it home I discovered a lot more damage than was evident
at the scene - the worst damage was a crack in the right lower longeron
where the tailwheel got torn off in the groundloop. I also had to build a
new horizontal stabilizer (the spar was broken in 3 places), repair one
broken rib in the wing and repair the right aileron. In addition, I built a
new axle from thicker material (after doing a stress analysis and
determining that the original axle was very marginal in strength) and sent
the new axle to Rex Heat Treating in Pennsylvania to be heat-treated to
nearly double the strength of normalized 4130 chromoly.
This happened in November 2004 and I got all the repairs done in time to fly
it to Brodhead 2005, and then on to Oshkosh.
As for the B&B, we've got the hangar built but we need to sell our house in
Raleigh before we can afford to build the Bed & Breakfast at Smith Mountain
Lake. The house has been on the market for 2 years, with no takers.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
Great read on your accident Jack. Thanks also for sharing. Were you able to
see
the power lines across the highway before you landed? Around here you have
a
lot of new pine growth to plough into, but up there you have some pretty
hefty
trees. When I was flying in the marines over Lake Okechobe We were told to
plough into an island rather than into the water so as not to flip over and
be
alligator meat. That big 3350 radial was a good weedeater. Also bailing out
was
a no no. When is your B n B opening up? See you at Brodhead. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 7:45:03 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
Thanks, Kevin.
Seeing your Pietenpol foundered on the field at Brodhead brought up all
kinds of unpleasant memories. My broken axle was due to a pickup truck
being right where I needed to land, and I had to pull the nose up to slow
down and let it get out of the way. Then in keeping the plane from
stalling, I had to nose down so far I literally flew it into the ground and
broke the axle (unknown to me). I recovered from the bounce and made a
decent 3-point landing and was congratulating myself when the right wing
began to drop and full left rudder, left aileron and left brake couldn't
keep it straight and it went into the ditch and groundlooped.
One good thing that came out of my "Incident" was that when I called Karen
and told her I tore up the airplane (we were not married and had only been
dating for about a year), she immediately came out and gave me a hug, then
took charge of acquiring a flatbed trailer and supervised the disassembly
and loading of the airplane on the trailer (she had helped me move it to the
airport only 2 months before), while I was talking with the Highway Patrol,
the FAA and the NTSB (that's what happens when you land on a highway, but
in this part of the country there is little other choice - either highway or
forest, hence my desire for a dependable engine).
Anyway, that night I was lying awake at about 3:00 in the morning, playing
it over and over in my mind, trying to determine what went wrong. As I lay
there, I realized that in all of that, Karen never once said "I wish you'd
stop flying." So I rolled over and woke her up and asked her to marry me.
Her response was "Can it wait till morning?" She's been the perfect wife
ever since.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 11:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
Jack - Not your happiest day but you pulled it off. And because you're a
good guy you shared your experience with me after my landing gear debacle.
You also told me that you rebuilt the airplane, though that process was very
unpleasant, and that you've flown the tar out of it since. Not sure if I
thanked you for your kindness at the time but I really appreciate it.
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | everyone's progress |
Thanks Jack for the encouragement. I too was sorely tempted to roll her out
into the middle of the field and light her up, but that went away after a
couple of days and I'm so glad I kept at it, though it is pretty tough the
second time around, though I will say, it sure goes quicker as you've done
all the things before.
Sounds like we have a few new ones almost done, which is so great. The
other day I ordered an item from Ray Allen who makes electric servo trim
systems and when I told him I was building a Pietenpol, he said "it's sure
nice to hear someone is still building Pietenpols". I took a moment to
educate him to the fact that there are many guys still building that old
defunct design from scratch, with nothing but plans, no kit, no prefab
assemblies, no quick-build super duper sub assembly option or anything like
that. He was really tickled. I'm convinced the more Piets get finished and
fly around, the more people see them and get hooked and the more in turn get
built, thus keeping this wonderful legacy alive.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
| Subject: | Both Dan and Gene have stolen Jimmy Dean's paint scheme |
!
Actually the very first yellow and black (that I know of) Ford powered Pietenpol
showed up in the late 1990's at Brodhead owned by
James and Connie Dean of Sanford, NC.
Jimmy won the Wright Brothers Award that year and trailered his plane to the Dayton
Airshow where he assembled and flew the airplane,
then flew the airplane to Brodhead where he flew it all weekend, then he and Connie
trailered it back to NC where it sits today needing
a recover job. (Jim is friends with Jack Phillips)
It's funny how you guys joke about who stole the paint scheme from who but nobody
can deny the fact that THAT color scheme on a Ford
Piet is truly a GORGEOUS ONE and the more the merrier I say !
Now if Jimmy could recover his Piet and bring it to Brodhead again maybe in 2012
we could see a THREE plane formation of gorgeous yellow
and black Piets overhead singing in Model A Ford harmony ! Now that would give
the crowd some chills and make for some one-of-a-kind video !
Mike C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Converting an 0200 to a C90 isn't a bit deal. They are pretty much the same
engine. Changes cams, redo the carb and you're pretty much there.
The C90 produces it's torque at lower speeds, thus allowing it to spin a
larger diameter prop, though slower. I personally feel swinging a large
prop helps a lot with these old draggy airframes. The 0200 is great, but
was designed for a more slippery modern airframe and spins a smaller prop
significantly faster. They are both fine engines in a Piet and I've spoken
with people who have both and are very happy, but since I was having mine
gone through anyways, I opted for the C90.
Should also be a tiny bit less thirsty.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Douwe's post about converting from an O-200 to a C-90 and the fact that I a
m gearing up to buy an engine, I am trying to figure out some basic engine
facts.
-
I understand that prop. tip speed needs to be under the speed of sound. Thi
s is probably not a problem with our type power plants. (?) I also understa
nd that it is wise to choose the longest prop. you can within reason. (Engi
ne size/power, type plane, etc.)- I start to think that with a long prop.
and staying slower then the speed of sound at the tips, one would want a g
ood amount of pitch to grab the air at slower speeds. This would also, in t
heory, allow the engine to turn slower and-save some wear on the engine..
.and fuel. (again in theory)
-
To do so, would it not be wise to try to find/build an engine with low end
torque as opposed to overall HP?- I know very little about Continental en
gines...nothing about Lycoming. I wonder if one-brand runs -inherently
more torque then the other?- How do the small radial engines compare torq
ue wise to the flat four cylinder engines?
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Thanks. If I can't get my hands on a radial engine, the C-90/95 is my next choice.
This O-200 conversion is quite interesting to me.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave and Connie <dmatt(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
On 3/12/2011 9:12 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"
>
>
> In addition, I built a
> new axle from thicker material (after doing a stress analysis and
> determining that the original axle was very marginal in strength) and sent
> the new axle to Rex Heat Treating in Pennsylvania to be heat-treated to
> nearly double the strength of normalized 4130 chromoly.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Raleigh, NC
Jack,
From the looks of the landing area you did an amazing job. What are
the specs on the upgraded axle? Material size and heat treat specification?
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Douwe and Gene's Home Stretch in Accomplishing the |
Big Kielb
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
...and to continue the "Waldo" quotes: "who's flying with Kessler...?" "Brown,
new guy"
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333616#333616
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
Jack, what you should have done was slow the plane to the same speed as the
pickup truck and then land in the bed of his truck. How would that have
been? You probably wouldn't have had any damage -- if you could have gotten
the truck driver to stop before the next overpass. I've seen pictures of a
J3 landing on a platform built on top of a vehicle -- why not the bed of a
truck?
Please don't archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
>
>
> Gardiner, on that landing I flew over one set of power lines and under
> another, and never saw either one. Good help from Above, for sure.
>
> I was at 800' AGL when the trouble started. The engine didn't quit until
> I
> closed the throttle to land, when it obligingly stopped with the prop
> nearly
> horizontal so I didn't have a prop strike, but it was only putting out
> about
> 1200 RPM - not enough to keep the plane in the air. I was coming down at
> 400 fpm according to the VSI, so I had a little less than 2 minutes to
> find
> a place to land it. I was trying to make it to Deck Field, a 1300'
> airstrip
> along US Highway 64, but I was still over a mile away when I was down to
> 200' and decided the highway was the best chance I had.
>
> The FAA was very good about it, and there was no problem from them with me
> landing on the highway (since nobody got hurt). They checked my paperwork
> since I was still in Phase I (first flight had only been a few weeks
> before)
> but everything was legal. They asked for a report once I determined the
> cause of the partial power failure, and once I filed that I was free to
> continue flying it after repairs were made. It was listed as an
> "incident"
> with the NTSB since no one was hurt and no major damage occurred. Of
> course, once I got it home I discovered a lot more damage than was evident
> at the scene - the worst damage was a crack in the right lower longeron
> where the tailwheel got torn off in the groundloop. I also had to build a
> new horizontal stabilizer (the spar was broken in 3 places), repair one
> broken rib in the wing and repair the right aileron. In addition, I built
> a
> new axle from thicker material (after doing a stress analysis and
> determining that the original axle was very marginal in strength) and sent
> the new axle to Rex Heat Treating in Pennsylvania to be heat-treated to
> nearly double the strength of normalized 4130 chromoly.
>
> This happened in November 2004 and I got all the repairs done in time to
> fly
> it to Brodhead 2005, and then on to Oshkosh.
>
> As for the B&B, we've got the hangar built but we need to sell our house
> in
> Raleigh before we can afford to build the Bed & Breakfast at Smith
> Mountain
> Lake. The house has been on the market for 2 years, with no takers.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:35 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
>
>
> Great read on your accident Jack. Thanks also for sharing. Were you able
> to
> see
> the power lines across the highway before you landed? Around here you
> have
> a
> lot of new pine growth to plough into, but up there you have some pretty
> hefty
> trees. When I was flying in the marines over Lake Okechobe We were told to
> plough into an island rather than into the water so as not to flip over
> and
> be
> alligator meat. That big 3350 radial was a good weedeater. Also bailing
> out
> was
> a no no. When is your B n B opening up? See you at Brodhead. Gardiner
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 7:45:03 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
>
>
>
> Thanks, Kevin.
>
> Seeing your Pietenpol foundered on the field at Brodhead brought up all
> kinds of unpleasant memories. My broken axle was due to a pickup truck
> being right where I needed to land, and I had to pull the nose up to slow
> down and let it get out of the way. Then in keeping the plane from
> stalling, I had to nose down so far I literally flew it into the ground
> and
> broke the axle (unknown to me). I recovered from the bounce and made a
> decent 3-point landing and was congratulating myself when the right wing
> began to drop and full left rudder, left aileron and left brake couldn't
> keep it straight and it went into the ditch and groundlooped.
>
> One good thing that came out of my "Incident" was that when I called Karen
> and told her I tore up the airplane (we were not married and had only been
> dating for about a year), she immediately came out and gave me a hug, then
> took charge of acquiring a flatbed trailer and supervised the disassembly
> and loading of the airplane on the trailer (she had helped me move it to
> the
> airport only 2 months before), while I was talking with the Highway
> Patrol,
> the FAA and the NTSB (that's what happens when you land on a highway, but
> in this part of the country there is little other choice - either highway
> or
> forest, hence my desire for a dependable engine).
>
> Anyway, that night I was lying awake at about 3:00 in the morning, playing
> it over and over in my mind, trying to determine what went wrong. As I
> lay
> there, I realized that in all of that, Karen never once said "I wish you'd
> stop flying." So I rolled over and woke her up and asked her to marry me.
> Her response was "Can it wait till morning?" She's been the perfect wife
> ever since.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kevinpurtee
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 11:58 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
>
>
>
> Jack - Not your happiest day but you pulled it off. And because you're a
> good guy you shared your experience with me after my landing gear debacle.
> You also told me that you rebuilt the airplane, though that process was
> very
> unpleasant, and that you've flown the tar out of it since. Not sure if I
> thanked you for your kindness at the time but I really appreciate it.
>
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Great story Jack. Thanks for sharing......... Looks like you had a ground loop
followed by throwing your wife (girlfriend at the time) for a loop..........(ha!)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333634#333634
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rhatkinson(at)comcast.net |
Where is Broadhead? & When is the event ?
Would like to visit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:51:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SnF
Hey all
I have been very busy getting ready for SNF. =C2-I have steel fittings fr
om Chet Peek and a Data plate from Oscar Zuniga plywood from Wicks Aircraft
, wood from Dave Aldrich and a Model A Ford engine from Gene Rambo. =C2-N
ow we are all going to build a Fuselage which will be a long model. =C2-
For anyone who is planning to build a Piet in the near future and wants a g
ood start on a project, =C2-this fuselage will be FOR SALE at Brodhead.
=C2-Stop in at the Wood Workshop. =C2-This is a benefit for the Brodhea
d Airport new visitors Center.
Also at the Wood Workshop we will again be running Mike Cuys video again if
you want to check that out.
We normally have a great turnout of Piet people, so stop by and check us ou
t.
Dick N.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
I think you will discover that that is a Model A Ford engine MOUNT. He
wrote once to correct that. From what I read, don't count on an
engine!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: rhatkinson(at)comcast.net
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SnF
Where is Broadhead? & When is the event ?
Would like to visit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:51:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SnF
Hey all
I have been very busy getting ready for SNF. I have steel fittings
from Chet Peek and a Data plate from Oscar Zuniga plywood from Wicks
Aircraft, wood from Dave Aldrich and a Model A Ford engine from Gene
Rambo. Now we are all going to build a Fuselage which will be a long
model.
For anyone who is planning to build a Piet in the near future and
wants a good start on a project, this fuselage will be FOR SALE at
Brodhead. Stop in at the Wood Workshop. This is a benefit for the
Brodhead Airport new visitors Center.
Also at the Wood Workshop we will again be running Mike Cuys video
again if you want to check that out.
We normally have a great turnout of Piet people, so stop by and check
us out.
Dick N.
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
H ey ya'll, are any other Pietenpols flying into Sun N Fun. We have at least 3
from west Georgia. Speak up and where from. Cheers, Gardiner
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress and mine |
With my luck, if I had tried that, just as I was about to touch down in the
bed of the truck, he would see me in the rear view mirror and slam on his
brakes.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh,NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Campbell
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
Jack, what you should have done was slow the plane to the same speed as the
pickup truck and then land in the bed of his truck. How would that have
been? You probably wouldn't have had any damage -- if you could have gotten
the truck driver to stop before the next overpass. I've seen pictures of a
J3 landing on a platform built on top of a vehicle -- why not the bed of a
truck?
Please don't archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
>
>
> Gardiner, on that landing I flew over one set of power lines and under
> another, and never saw either one. Good help from Above, for sure.
>
> I was at 800' AGL when the trouble started. The engine didn't quit until
> I
> closed the throttle to land, when it obligingly stopped with the prop
> nearly
> horizontal so I didn't have a prop strike, but it was only putting out
> about
> 1200 RPM - not enough to keep the plane in the air. I was coming down at
> 400 fpm according to the VSI, so I had a little less than 2 minutes to
> find
> a place to land it. I was trying to make it to Deck Field, a 1300'
> airstrip
> along US Highway 64, but I was still over a mile away when I was down to
> 200' and decided the highway was the best chance I had.
>
> The FAA was very good about it, and there was no problem from them with me
> landing on the highway (since nobody got hurt). They checked my paperwork
> since I was still in Phase I (first flight had only been a few weeks
> before)
> but everything was legal. They asked for a report once I determined the
> cause of the partial power failure, and once I filed that I was free to
> continue flying it after repairs were made. It was listed as an
> "incident"
> with the NTSB since no one was hurt and no major damage occurred. Of
> course, once I got it home I discovered a lot more damage than was evident
> at the scene - the worst damage was a crack in the right lower longeron
> where the tailwheel got torn off in the groundloop. I also had to build a
> new horizontal stabilizer (the spar was broken in 3 places), repair one
> broken rib in the wing and repair the right aileron. In addition, I built
> a
> new axle from thicker material (after doing a stress analysis and
> determining that the original axle was very marginal in strength) and sent
> the new axle to Rex Heat Treating in Pennsylvania to be heat-treated to
> nearly double the strength of normalized 4130 chromoly.
>
> This happened in November 2004 and I got all the repairs done in time to
> fly
> it to Brodhead 2005, and then on to Oshkosh.
>
> As for the B&B, we've got the hangar built but we need to sell our house
> in
> Raleigh before we can afford to build the Bed & Breakfast at Smith
> Mountain
> Lake. The house has been on the market for 2 years, with no takers.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:35 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
>
>
> Great read on your accident Jack. Thanks also for sharing. Were you able
> to
> see
> the power lines across the highway before you landed? Around here you
> have
> a
> lot of new pine growth to plough into, but up there you have some pretty
> hefty
> trees. When I was flying in the marines over Lake Okechobe We were told to
> plough into an island rather than into the water so as not to flip over
> and
> be
> alligator meat. That big 3350 radial was a good weedeater. Also bailing
> out
> was
> a no no. When is your B n B opening up? See you at Brodhead. Gardiner
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 7:45:03 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
>
>
>
> Thanks, Kevin.
>
> Seeing your Pietenpol foundered on the field at Brodhead brought up all
> kinds of unpleasant memories. My broken axle was due to a pickup truck
> being right where I needed to land, and I had to pull the nose up to slow
> down and let it get out of the way. Then in keeping the plane from
> stalling, I had to nose down so far I literally flew it into the ground
> and
> broke the axle (unknown to me). I recovered from the bounce and made a
> decent 3-point landing and was congratulating myself when the right wing
> began to drop and full left rudder, left aileron and left brake couldn't
> keep it straight and it went into the ditch and groundlooped.
>
> One good thing that came out of my "Incident" was that when I called Karen
> and told her I tore up the airplane (we were not married and had only been
> dating for about a year), she immediately came out and gave me a hug, then
> took charge of acquiring a flatbed trailer and supervised the disassembly
> and loading of the airplane on the trailer (she had helped me move it to
> the
> airport only 2 months before), while I was talking with the Highway
> Patrol,
> the FAA and the NTSB (that's what happens when you land on a highway, but
> in this part of the country there is little other choice - either highway
> or
> forest, hence my desire for a dependable engine).
>
> Anyway, that night I was lying awake at about 3:00 in the morning, playing
> it over and over in my mind, trying to determine what went wrong. As I
> lay
> there, I realized that in all of that, Karen never once said "I wish you'd
> stop flying." So I rolled over and woke her up and asked her to marry me.
> Her response was "Can it wait till morning?" She's been the perfect wife
> ever since.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> kevinpurtee
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 11:58 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gene's progress and mine
>
>
>
> Jack - Not your happiest day but you pulled it off. And because you're a
> good guy you shared your experience with me after my landing gear debacle.
> You also told me that you rebuilt the airplane, though that process was
> very
> unpleasant, and that you've flown the tar out of it since. Not sure if I
> thanked you for your kindness at the time but I really appreciate it.
>
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
>
>
>
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
I think you will discover that that is a Model A Ford engine MOUNT. He
wrote once to correct that. From what I read, don't count on an
engine!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: rhatkinson(at)comcast.net
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SnF
Where is Broadhead? & When is the event ?
Would like to visit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:51:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SnF
Hey all
I have been very busy getting ready for SNF. I have steel fittings
from Chet Peek and a Data plate from Oscar Zuniga plywood from Wicks
Aircraft, wood from Dave Aldrich and a Model A Ford engine from Gene
Rambo. Now we are all going to build a Fuselage which will be a long
model.
For anyone who is planning to build a Piet in the near future and
wants a good start on a project, this fuselage will be FOR SALE at
Brodhead. Stop in at the Wood Workshop. This is a benefit for the
Brodhead Airport new visitors Center.
Also at the Wood Workshop we will again be running Mike Cuys video
again if you want to check that out.
We normally have a great turnout of Piet people, so stop by and check
us out.
Dick N.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jack,
My Piet is still in Poplar Grove, and will be there for some time to
come I think. I still need to finish re-assembling my engine, and also
complete the new electrical system (gagging). I will be traveling back
to PG once-a-month from our new place in TN., for about a weeks time
each, in order to complete this and fly-off the remaining 27 hours in
"Phase I". I expect to make it back to Brodhead this year, flying that
loooooonnnggg cross-country from C77 to Brod. Not sure if I want to try
for Oshkosh this year or not. Hopefully I will be flying the Piet down
to TN. this fall some time.
I empathise with you and Douwe when it comes to the subject of
addressing major problems so soon after the initial flight. I too found
it VERY distasteful to face a complete engine tear-down last fall. I
have learned a whole bunch since then, but it still makes it no easier
to take.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Jack Cox obit |
| From: | Earnest Bunbury <ebunburyesq(at)gmail.com> |
Good final wishes:
"At the request of the deceased there will be no funeral or memorial
services. The family would like to thank Dr. Christine McCarty, the staff o
f
the Randolph Cancer Center, Dr. Isley, Dr. Lininger and especially the thir
d
floor nurses at Randolph Hospital for their care and compassion. They made
a
very difficult time more bearable. Donations may be made to the Randolph
Cancer Center or the Randolph Public Library. Jack was a lover of books,
especially history, having taught the subject during his years at
Fayetteville Street School. It would be appropriate that he be remembered
through the enjoyment of the local library. Pugh Funeral Home in Asheboro i
s
in charge of local arrangements. Online condolences may be made to the
family at www.pughfuneralhome.com" - from the obituary
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Jack Phillips wrote
:
> Here is the Obituary for Jack Cox.
>
>
> http://obituaries.news-record.com/obituaries/news-record/obituary.aspx?n
=justin-b-cox-jack&pid=149118453
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP =93Icarus Plummet=94
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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| From: | "echobravo4" <eab4(at)comcast.net> |
Hi Everybody-
Ok- this would have been easier if i would have a noticed it before
the doubler's were glued in but....
Any way since I can't get to the outer most hinge screws on the horizontal
stab. because of the diagonal brace i am wondering if this would work.
I have recessed an anchor nut into 16th ply and was going to epoxy
the ply to the back side of the hinge doubler (already glued in :x !)
I thought that might be better than trying to get a regular blind nut
in there or just gluing in a nut.
thanks for the help-AGAIN!
Earl
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333663#333663
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/anchornutd_468.jpg
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| From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Earl,
I drilled an 1" access hole in mine on one side...same problem.
Gary Boothe
-----Original Message-----
From: echobravo4
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 4:04 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ooop's
Hi Everybody-
Ok- this would have been easier if i would have a noticed it before
the doubler's were glued in but....
Any way since I can't get to the outer most hinge screws on the horizontal
stab. because of the diagonal brace i am wondering if this would work.
I have recessed an anchor nut into 16th ply and was going to epoxy
the ply to the back side of the hinge doubler (already glued in :x !)
I thought that might be better than trying to get a regular blind nut
in there or just gluing in a nut.
thanks for the help-AGAIN!
Earl
--------
Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
where I intended to be.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333663#333663
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/anchornutd_468.jpg
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| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
I also cut holes that were about an inch around on one side. I
elected to cut the holes on what would become the bottom of the
H-stab, as there is no point in having nice new drain holes that
point up. Ken
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Earl,
>
> I drilled an 1" access hole in mine on one side...same problem.
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> -----Original Message----- From: echobravo4
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 4:04 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ooop's
>
>
> Hi Everybody-
>
> Ok- this would have been easier if i would have a noticed it before
> the doubler's were glued in but....
>
> Any way since I can't get to the outer most hinge screws on the horizontal
> stab. because of the diagonal brace i am wondering if this would work.
>
> I have recessed an anchor nut into 16th ply and was going to epoxy
> the ply to the back side of the hinge doubler (already glued in :x !)
>
> I thought that might be better than trying to get a regular blind nut
> in there or just gluing in a nut.
>
> thanks for the help-AGAIN!
>
> Earl
>
> --------
> Earl Brown
>
> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
> where I intended to be.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333663#333663
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/anchornutd_468.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Kyle and Amanda Franklin |
| From: | "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net> |
I know this is off topic, but I know a lot of you have seen their act and know
who they are. Kyle and Amanda were seriously injured in a crash at the Brownsville
airshow today.Please keep them both in your prayers.
Thanks.
Larry
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333672#333672
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| Subject: | Re: Good read about Jeff Boatright |
| From: | Earnest Bunbury <ebunburyesq(at)gmail.com> |
Ah, my dirty secret is out! As for leaving time for the Piet, I was out to
the airport this afternoon, but the winds were such that the yellow streak
down my back was glowing. So, I had to work on another of my dirty secrets,
of which Larry knows...
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
>
> I just happened upon Emory's web site and found a great read about Jeff. He
> is doing some great work and is taking on more. Jeff be careful to leave
> time to fly the Pietenpol.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> wing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling
> using Lycoming O-235
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333465#333465
>
>
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| From: | Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com> |
If the weather cooperates, I'll be flying in Tuesday morning, all the
way from Titusville, Fl (About 70 miles from SNF) When is the Georgia
crowd arriving?
Ben Charvet
NX866BC
On 3/12/2011 6:15 PM, airlion wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion
>
> H ey ya'll, are any other Pietenpols flying into Sun N Fun. We have at least
3
> from west Georgia. Speak up and where from. Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Brodhead, Wi Is 50 mi so. of madison and 50 mi West of Janesville. The
Pietenpol reunion is always the weekend before OSH. It is really a
reunion, You get to meet all of the guys on the list, then you will
understand some of the humor on the list.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: rhatkinson(at)comcast.net
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SnF
Where is Broadhead? & When is the event ?
Would like to visit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:51:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SnF
Hey all
I have been very busy getting ready for SNF. I have steel fittings
from Chet Peek and a Data plate from Oscar Zuniga plywood from Wicks
Aircraft, wood from Dave Aldrich and a Model A Ford engine from Gene
Rambo. Now we are all going to build a Fuselage which will be a long
model.
For anyone who is planning to build a Piet in the near future and
wants a good start on a project, this fuselage will be FOR SALE at
Brodhead. Stop in at the Wood Workshop. This is a benefit for the
Brodhead Airport new visitors Center.
Also at the Wood Workshop we will again be running Mike Cuys video
again if you want to check that out.
We normally have a great turnout of Piet people, so stop by and check
us out.
Dick N.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AMsafetyC(at)aol.com |
Yes indeed gents she's got legs and as of 4:30 pm on this say March 3,
2011, she got legs and she knows how to use them.
Back in the shop for a little bit of work and once it started it didn't
stop. She also got some new instrument boards too but that's enough talk for
one day.
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Gene's progress |
| From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Yeah, Dan, "VERY distasteful" indeed. I haven't had to open the case halves (which
would constitute "complete" for the corvair) but popping the heads off kinda
stank.
Looking forward to seeing that Garmin 1000.....
God willing I'll take a picture of fat girl next to your masterpiece in July:).
Kevin
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333694#333694
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| Subject: | Re: She got legs |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Very exciting.... well done....!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333699#333699
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Torque -V- HP |
You might want to read this to start;
http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2011-02_howto.asp
Here's another;
http://www.flyingflea.com.ar/home/traditional-fforg-menu-1/wood-props
And another;
http://www.archive.org/details/airplanepropell00corpgoog
Tell me when to stop!
http://moasiaircraft.tripod.com/simple_propeller_design.htm
A fun thing to play with;
http://www.mail2600.com/PropDesign/index.html
OK, OK, I'll stop now!
Clif
I understand that prop. tip speed needs to be under the speed of
sound..I also understand that it is wise to choose the longest prop. you
can within reason. (Engine size/power, type plane, etc.) I start to
think that with a long prop. and staying slower then the speed of sound
at the tips, one would want a good amount of pitch to grab the air at
slower speeds.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Ben, we are planning to leave on March 26. That should give us time to poke on
down there. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 9:59:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sun n fun
If the weather cooperates, I'll be flying in Tuesday morning, all the
way from Titusville, Fl (About 70 miles from SNF) When is the Georgia
crowd arriving?
Ben Charvet
NX866BC
On 3/12/2011 6:15 PM, airlion wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion
>
> H ey ya'll, are any other Pietenpols flying into Sun N Fun. We have at least
3
> from west Georgia. Speak up and where from. Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Was looking through West Coast Piets and some have a nice B H Pietenpol metal placard
with build year and engine type etc screwed to the front cockpit instrument
panel.
Is there a source for these anywhere?
Regards Scotty :D
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333717#333717
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Morning all,
For holes drilled in fittings, i.e. a 3/16th hole for a bolt or clevis pin.
After painting the fit will be too tight. Anybody drilling or reaming the
hole a bit oversized? I'm NOT suggesting this would be a good idea for wing
bolt holes, etc.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Hacked computers |
| From: | Ameet Savant <ameetsavant(at)gmail.com> |
Matt,
I've been lurking for a very long time! I would post more often if I had
started building. At this time, I am just focused on a new IT business and a
growing family. I guess I can say the only progress I've made so far is
acquired a corvair core and decided to use the original airfoil. A search in
the archives can answer why I chose the original. I am also planning to
visit Jack Textor next weekend to see his project.
See link for corvair:
http://www.eaa80.org/show/show.php?tab=t5&title=Corvair&path=../projects/ameet_corvair/&back=/projects/index.php&anchor=bcondrey
Ameet
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Matthew VanDervort <
matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> Ameet,
> Great advice! I don't believe I've seen you post on here before? It's
> possible I blatantly missed a post, even one with pics!
> Care to share your piet progress? I don't often speak up, but perfer to
> take all of the great advice and knowledge here into consideration for my
> rebuild!
>
> Hope you are having a great build!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: She got legs |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
John,
Congratulations. Looks very nice with those laminated legs. A great
feeling of accomplishment I'm sure!
.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Jack,
I don't think the oversize route is a good idea. I just reamed the
paint out of the holes myself.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 8:24 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fittings
Morning all,
For holes drilled in fittings, i.e. a 3/16th hole for a bolt or clevis
pin. After painting the fit will be too tight. Anybody drilling or
reaming the hole a bit oversized? Im NOT suggesting this would be a
good idea for wing bolt holes, etc
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Jack,
All of mine are drilled at 13/64..not flight tested!
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fittings
Morning all,
For holes drilled in fittings, i.e. a 3/16th hole for a bolt or clevis pin.
After painting the fit will be too tight. Anybody drilling or reaming the
hole a bit oversized? I'm NOT suggesting this would be a good idea for wing
bolt holes, etc.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Dan,
I'm guessing that will be the consensus, I've been reaming as you have so
far.
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fittings
Hi Jack,
I don't think the oversize route is a good idea. I just reamed the
paint out of the holes myself.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 8:24 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fittings
Morning all,
For holes drilled in fittings, i.e. a 3/16th hole for a bolt or clevis
pin. After painting the fit will be too tight. Anybody drilling or
reaming the hole a bit oversized? Im NOT suggesting this would be a
good idea for wing bolt holes, etc
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | Re: Piet placard |
| From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
I tried to find them and ended up making my own artwork in Adobe Illustrator and
having a place lazer etched a couple.( one or two to screw up when punching
the data.....) I could send you the art file.....??!?!?!!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin |
| From: | "Larry Vetter" <vetter(at)evertek.net> |
This is from Matt. Younkins facebook page. Some encouraging news.
Franklin Update
By Younkin Airshows
All, Please forward this letter on to who ever you see fit... Good morning all.
Let me first express on behalf of Amanda, Kyle, Myself and both of our families
so many thanks for all of your prayers and well wishes. We are all so fortunate
to have such a wonderful support network in all of you. We are still waiting
for updates and it could be many hours, days, or weeks before we know exactly
how the recovery process will play out between Amanda and Kyle. I can however
report that Kyle was not injured and or burned as badly as reported earlier
by the media and is expected to make a full and rapid recovery. I can also
say that the updates we are receiving on Amanda are increasingly optimistic and
though she has a long road of recovery ahead of her, the doctors are giving
us the impression that things are not as bad as first reported and her chances
for a full recovery are getting better not worse. The first 24 hours will set
the tone for the story ahead. I also have to extend a very sincere thanks to
my brother-in-law Kyle who I strongly credit for the fact that my little sister
is still with us. Having witnessed the accident and being on of the first on
the scene, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that he made no less than five
quick decisions in the air and on the ground that gave her a second chance
at life!! When the engine quit, Amanda was on the top wing in the rack. Kyle continued
to fly the airplane in a straight and level fashion as long as he could
to give Amanda every opportunity to unstrap and get into the front cockpit
where she would have the best chance in the event of a hard landing. He also resisted
the tendency to turn for the pavement which typically induces a fatal
stall/spin situation. He avoided a landing in the pyro field which could have
proven to be fatal, and faced with the only other option of land in mesquite woods,
Kyle landed into the wind drastically reducing the forward speed at impact.
Upon reaching the scene, I noticed that he set the airplane down in the only
Waco si!
zed piec
e of ground in that dense woods that didn't have tall trees in it. Kyle sustained
the majority of his burns trying to pull his wife from the wreckage and when
his efforts produced no results, he stayed in the cockpit and transmitted a
repeating distress call about the post impact fire that had started. I honestly
believe this motivated the rapid responders to press through the brush and douse
the airplane at a more rapid rate which meant the split second difference
that saved Amanda, who was still in the plane. The first responders on the scene
did an excellent job of responding to the situation in a rapid manner. Having
a professional air boss teamed up with professional CFR personnel made a world
of difference that could be the single most important factor that both Amanda
and Kyle are still with us. Please continue to send your thoughts and prayers
this direction because we sincerely believe they are helping. I will pass
updates along as I receive them. SincerelyMatt
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| From: | Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf(at)bellsouth.net> |
We should get in the afternoon of the 26th if weather is good.
--- On Sat, 3/12/11, Ben Charvet wrote:
From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: sun n fun
Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 9:59 PM
If the weather cooperates, I'll be flying in Tuesday morning, all the
way from Titusville, Fl (About 70 miles from SNF)- When is the Georgia
crowd arriving?
Ben Charvet
NX866BC
On 3/12/2011 6:15 PM, airlion wrote:
> -->- Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion
>
> H ey ya'll, are any other Pietenpols flying into Sun N Fun. We have at le
ast 3
> from west Georgia. Speak up and where from. Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
le, List Admin.
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| From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Torque -V- HP |
Thanks Clif!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Scotty
Look about halfway down. http://avgrafix.com/custom1.htm
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:02 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet placard
-->
Was looking through West Coast Piets and some have a nice B H Pietenpol
metal placard with build year and engine type etc screwed to the front
cockpit instrument panel.
Is there a source for these anywhere?
Regards Scotty :D
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
I'd rather ream to 13/64 than to have to drive the bolt in with a hammer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fittings
>
> Dan,
> I'm guessing that will be the consensus, I've been reaming as you have so
> far.
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> helspersew(at)aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:42 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fittings
>
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> I don't think the oversize route is a good idea. I just reamed the
> paint out of the holes myself.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 8:24 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fittings
>
>
> Morning all,
> For holes drilled in fittings, i.e. a 3/16th hole for a bolt or clevis
> pin. After painting the fit will be too tight. Anybody drilling or
> reaming the hole a bit oversized? I'm NOT suggesting this would be a
> good idea for wing bolt holes, etc.
> Thanks,
> Jack
> DSM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Ralph and Carol" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com> |
| Subject: | Barnstormer video |
On Wednesday of this week Public Television in South Dakota broadcast
the
video "Barnstormer". I had seen it mentioned here on the forum some time
back
and was hoping to see it sometime. It is truly delightful and I am
envious of
the good times the participants were having. It was even better
recognizing
people I see at Brodhead in the summer. Happy flying to all. Our sixty
inches of snow is supposed to start seriously melting this week.
Ralph in South Dakota
20 some years into a stalled project
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| From: | Gene Rambo <generambo(at)msn.com> |
An AN3 bolt is NOT 3/16" That is your problem. An AN# is a #10 drill. Tr
y that and it will work perfectly. Do not drill oversized!
Gene Rambo
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fittings
Date: Sun=2C 13 Mar 2011 07:18:04 -0700
Jack=2C
All of mine are drilled at 13/64=85.not flight tested!
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday=2C March 13=2C 2011 6:19 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fittings
Morning all=2C
For holes drilled in fittings=2C i.e. a 3/16th hole for a bolt or clevis pi
n. After painting the fit will be too tight. Anybody drilling or reaming
the hole a bit oversized? I=92m NOT suggesting this would be a good idea f
or wing bolt holes=2C etc=85
Thanks=2C
Jack
DSM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matroni
cs.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Recommended Filler? |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
During building wood always seems subject to table "rash" (little divets, gouges,
staple holes after removal) no matter how much I clean and vacuum my workbench.
I think what bothers me most is the staple holes after I've removed them from gussets
or spacers (I don't think they're structurally a problem, but they are
an eyesore after being careful with constructing the pieces). I'd like to fill
them. I suppose you could do it with just epoxy, but I found Aeropoxy Light
and Microlight 410 Filler on Wick's website and was wondering if anyone had any
experience with either of them? Or other suggestions?
Do the above fillers just fill, or will they add "any" or a little strength to
those ugly holes too?
Thanks for any help or suggestions.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Piet placard |
| From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Just PM'd you Jake.
Thank you Chris looks great. Can you recall what cost these were?
Scotty
--------
Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended Filler? |
| From: | "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
Tom,
The solution is designed in to the plans....fabric covering...
------Original Message------
From: tdudley(at)umn.edu
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol List
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Recommended Filler?
Sent: Mar 13, 2011 3:56 PM
During building wood always seems subject to table "rash" (little divets, gouges,
staple holes after removal) no matter how much I clean and vacuum my workbench.
I think what bothers me most is the staple holes after I've removed them from gussets
or spacers (I don't think they're structurally a problem, but they are
an eyesore after being careful with constructing the pieces). I'd like to fill
them. I suppose you could do it with just epoxy, but I found Aeropoxy Light
and Microlight 410 Filler on Wick's website and was wondering if anyone had any
experience with either of them? Or other suggestions?
Do the above fillers just fill, or will they add "any" or a little strength to
those ugly holes too?
Thanks for any help or suggestions.
Tom
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333780#333780
Ryan Mueller
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| From: | norm <coevst(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Recommended Filler? |
Wipe holes and dents with water a few times it will swell the wood ,and nea
rly =0Aclose the staple holes ,varnish should take care of the rest--
- norm=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "tdudley@um
n.edu" =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, Ma
rch 13, 2011 4:56:06 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Recommended Filler?=0A
>=0A=0ADuring building wood always seems subject to table "rash" (little di
vets, =0Agouges, staple holes after removal) no matter how much I clean and
vacuum my =0Aworkbench.=0A=0AI think what bothers me most is the staple ho
les after I've removed them from =0Agussets or spacers (I don't think they'
re structurally a problem, but they are =0Aan eyesore after being careful w
ith constructing the pieces).- I'd like to fill =0Athem.- I suppose you
could do it with just epoxy, but I found Aeropoxy Light and =0AMicrolight
410 Filler on Wick's website and was wondering if anyone had any =0Aexperie
nce with either of them?- Or other suggestions?=0A=0ADo the above fillers
just fill, or will they add "any" or a little strength to =0Athose ugly ho
les too?=0A=0AThanks for any help or suggestions.=0A=0ATom=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARe
ad this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p
=========================0A
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| From: | Max Hegler <maxhegler(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin |
I hope their doctors are aware of this new technology...
http://news.discovery.com/tech/spray-on-skin-cells-for-burn-victims.html
Max
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kyle and Amanda Franklin
> From: vetter(at)evertek.net
> Date: Sun=2C 13 Mar 2011 10:27:16 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> This is from Matt. Younkins facebook page. Some encouraging news.
>
> Franklin Update
> By Younkin Airshows
> All=2C Please forward this letter on to who ever you see fit... Good mor
ning all. Let me first express on behalf of Amanda=2C Kyle=2C Myself and bo
th of our families so many thanks for all of your prayers and well wishes.
We are all so fortunate to have such a wonderful support network in all of
you. We are still waiting for updates and it could be many hours=2C days=2C
or weeks before we know exactly how the recovery process will play out bet
ween Amanda and Kyle. I can however report that Kyle was not injured and or
burned as badly as reported earlier by the media and is expected to make a
full and rapid recovery. I can also say that the updates we are receiving
on Amanda are increasingly optimistic and though she has a long road of rec
overy ahead of her=2C the doctors are giving us the impression that things
are not as bad as first reported and her chances for a full recovery are ge
tting better not worse. The first 24 hours will set the tone for the story
ahead. I also have to extend!
> a very sincere thanks to my brother-in-law Kyle who I strongly credit f
or the fact that my little sister is still with us. Having witnessed the ac
cident and being on of the first on the scene=2C I can say without a shadow
of a doubt that he made no less than five quick decisions in the air and o
n the ground that gave her a second chance at life!! When the engine quit
=2C Amanda was on the top wing in the rack. Kyle continued to fly the airpl
ane in a straight and level fashion as long as he could to give Amanda ever
y opportunity to unstrap and get into the front cockpit where she would hav
e the best chance in the event of a hard landing. He also resisted the tend
ency to turn for the pavement which typically induces a fatal stall/spin si
tuation. He avoided a landing in the pyro field which could have proven to
be fatal=2C and faced with the only other option of land in mesquite woods
=2C Kyle landed into the wind drastically reducing the forward speed at imp
act. Upon reaching the scen!
> e=2C I noticed that he set the airplane down in the only Waco si!
> zed piec
>
> e of ground in that dense woods that didn't have tall trees in it. Kyle s
ustained the majority of his burns trying to pull his wife from the wreckag
e and when his efforts produced no results=2C he stayed in the cockpit and
transmitted a repeating distress call about the post impact fire that had s
tarted. I honestly believe this motivated the rapid responders to press thr
ough the brush and douse the airplane at a more rapid rate which meant the
split second difference that saved Amanda=2C who was still in the plane. Th
e first responders on the scene did an excellent job of responding to the s
ituation in a rapid manner. Having a professional air boss teamed up with p
rofessional CFR personnel made a world of difference that could be the sing
le most important factor that both Amanda and Kyle are still with us. Pleas
e continue to send your thoughts and prayers this direction because we sinc
erely believe they are helping. I will pass updates along as I receive them
. SincerelyMatt
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333748#333748
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended Filler? |
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Add strength to staple holes?
The holes left by staples will not weaken your structure (unless you're using WAY
too many). Fillers typically are just that ... fillers. They will fill the
holes, and that's about it. Well, actually, if the filler is a different color
than the wood, then it may draw attention to them.
There really isn't much of the wood structure that is visible after covering -
just the cockpit areas. Probably not a problem worth spending too much time on.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Recommended Filler? |
| From: | "tdudley(at)umn.edu" <tdudley(at)umn.edu> |
Okay, not too smart a thread to add. Sorry.
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: She got legs |
Just where you plannin' on landing with those major
mudder dirt track tires??? :-)
Clif
Yes indeed gents she's got legs and as of 4:30 pm on this say March 3,
2011, she got legs and she knows how to use them.
John
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Torque -V- HP |
You're welcome Michael. Another voyage of
discovery is upon you. :-)
Apparently Shubert gave Bernard one of his
props to use on the Corvair Piet. B liked it so
much that when Schubert contacted him to see
how it was working B was afraid he wanted it
back and didn't want to let it go. That story is back
there in the archives somewhere.
More than once, if memory serves. :-)
Clif
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| From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Our beloved plane is the ultimate steampunk!
A little something to go with it;
http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/store/001804.php?__utma=1.833319212.1
300084196.1300084196.1300084196.1&__utmb=1.1.10.1300084196&__utmc=1&_
_utmx=-&__utmz=1.1300084196.1.1.utmgclid=CKPDpoK3zacCFQEKbAod-lx6Eg
|utmccn=(not%20set)|utmcmd=(not%20set)&__utmv=-&__utmk 9989269
And these!
http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/store/002041.php?__utma=1.833319212.1
300084196.1300084196.1300084196.1&__utmb=1.1.10.1300084196&__utmc=1&_
_utmx=-&__utmz=1.1300084196.1.1.utmgclid=CKPDpoK3zacCFQEKbAod-lx6Eg
|utmccn=(not%20set)|utmcmd=(not%20set)&__utmv=-&__utmk 9989269
Clif
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| From: | "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au> |
Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii bit
Carson
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| From: | "carson" <carsonvella(at)yahoo.com.au> |
Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii bit
Carson
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and
Fractional. See a chart here.
http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm
Jack
DSM
PS That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but... the
plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii
bit
Carson
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| From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Carson,
I've had good luck with the higher end Harbor Freight dill sets seen here,
http://www.harborfreight.com/115-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-m2-high-speed
-steel-drill-bit-set-1611.html
Another useful link, http://www.carbidedepot.com/resources.htm
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii
bit
Carson
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
The Pietenpol plans were drawn before the AN standards came into being (they
were developed around 1940), and include such oddities as # 7 wood screws to
attach the horizontal stabilizer to the upper longerons. Try finding a # 7
screw at Home Depot.
Aircraft hardware should be purchased for ANY critical component on a
Pietenpol (or any other airplane), and the old standard is AN hardware. NAS
or MS standard parts are the newer designations, but in many cases are just
renumbered AN parts
Ron Alexander wrote a good article on this in Sport Aviation a couple of
years ago:
http://exp-aircraft.com/library/alexande/hardware.html
So you should use AN3 bolts where the plans call for 3/16", and use # 10
drills (or better yet, reamers) for the holes.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and
Fractional. See a chart here.
http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm
Jack
DSM
PS That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but... the
plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm.
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
I need to cover my fuse and empennage here soon, and before I went ahead
with an aircraft spruce order, thought I'd ck to see if anyone has some
leftovers they want to sell?
Douwe
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| From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | NAS, AN bolts & Fittings |
a #11 drill bit is a good addition to have for 3/16 bolts as well.- I usu
ally start with 11 and if the bolt is too tight take it to a #10, when dril
ling through wood.- AN bolts have a couple 1000ths plus or minus-tolera
nce on diameter.- NAS bolts are a closer tolerance, and I have found them
usually .003" (aprox)-larger in diameter than the AN bolts.- This coul
d be handy as your aircraft ages, if a bolt gets sloppy in the fitting from
a little wear, try the NAS bolt and see if that tightens up the fit.- Bu
t remember not to use NAS bolts were a large tension load is applied, they
are primarily for sheer loads.-NAS bolts are easily recognized by the sli
ghtly dished in head-and they have shorter threads than a comparable AN b
olt.
-
Shad
--- On Mon, 3/14/11, Jack wrote:
From: Jack <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 6:54 AM
Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and
Fractional.- See a chart here.
http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm
Jack
DSM
PS- That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but...
the
plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM
Subject:- Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized drlii
bit
Carson
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| From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | 21" rims and shaved tires for sale |
Hey all,
In the ground loop incident, one wire wheel was damaged as some of the
spokes broke, but the rim was undamaged. In rebuilding, I decided to go
with a different tire/wheel which will match the new look of 799B better.
I therefore have two 21" alloy Sun rims punched and dimpled which I
purchased new from Buchannans and two shaved smooth motocross tires with
tubes for sale.
Anyone interested can contact me offline at: douweblumberg(at)eartrhlink.net
You'll get a spamblocker message, but disregard. Just put "wheels" in the
subject and I'll catch the message in my suspect email.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
I would like to add that the AN# refers to the diameter in 16ths of an
inch -- AN3 means 3/16-inch diameter, AN4 means 4/16-inch (1/4) diameter etc
all the way to at least AN7 which is the largest I have checked on and it is
7/16-inch in diameter. So with an AN3 bolt isn't it logical to use a
3/16-inch dia drill bit? I don't even know where I could buy a #10 drill
bit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:54 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
>
> Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and
> Fractional. See a chart here.
> http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm
> Jack
> DSM
> PS That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but...
> the
> plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
>
>
> Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
> As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized
> drlii
> bit
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333832#333832
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | 21" rims and shaved tires for sale |
".which will match the new look of 799B better.." Ahh, the mystery. I love
it.
Gary
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:48 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale
Hey all,
In the ground loop incident, one wire wheel was damaged as some of the
spokes broke, but the rim was undamaged. In rebuilding, I decided to go
with a different tire/wheel which will match the new look of 799B better.
I therefore have two 21" alloy Sun rims punched and dimpled which I
purchased new from Buchannans and two shaved smooth motocross tires with
tubes for sale.
Anyone interested can contact me offline at: douweblumberg(at)eartrhlink.net
You'll get a spamblocker message, but disregard. Just put "wheels" in the
subject and I'll catch the message in my suspect email.
Douwe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
I used 3/16" drill bits to drill all those sized holes. Seems to fly fine s
o far.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 11:01 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
ream.net>
I would like to add that the AN# refers to the diameter in 16ths of an
nch -- AN3 means 3/16-inch diameter, AN4 means 4/16-inch (1/4) diameter etc
ll the way to at least AN7 which is the largest I have checked on and it is
/16-inch in diameter. So with an AN3 bolt isn't it logical to use a
/16-inch dia drill bit? I don't even know where I could buy a #10 drill
it.
---- Original Message -----
rom: "Jack"
o:
ent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:54 AM
ubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Carson there are three basic groups of drill sets, Letter, Number and
Fractional. See a chart here.
http://www.gearhob.com/eng/design/drill_eng.htm
Jack
DSM
PS That was an interesting post earlier regarding the #10 drill, but...
the
plans call our a fractional size of 3/16th on many holes., hummm.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized
drlii
bit
Carson
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| Subject: | Re: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Douwe,
I already have a set of rims and tires. But have an indirectly
related question. How did you go about having the tires shaved
smooth? What sorts of places will do that? Or did you do it
yourself? Mine would look much more period if I had that done.
Cheers, Ken
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Gboothe5 wrote:
> which will match the new look of 799B better. Ahh, the mystery. I love
> it
>
>
> Gary
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
> Blumberg
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:48 AM
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 21" rims and shaved tires for sale
>
>
> Hey all,
>
>
> In the ground loop incident, one wire wheel was damaged as some of the
> spokes broke, but the rim was undamaged. In rebuilding, I decided to go
> with a different tire/wheel which will match the new look of 799B better.
>
>
> I therefore have two 21 alloy Sun rims punched and dimpled which I
> purchased new from Buchannans and two shaved smooth motocross tires with
> tubes for sale.
>
>
> Anyone interested can contact me offline at: douweblumberg(at)eartrhlink.net
>
>
> Youll get a spamblocker message, but disregard. Just put wheels in the
> subject and Ill catch the message in my suspect email.
>
>
> Douwe
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| From: | "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com> |
Just as important as the drill bit size is the point angle. The #10 type drill
bits (I used a lot on my RV-10), I believe have a sharper bit angle for metal
then standard bits (wood or general purpose). I think as a general rule the harder
the material the steeper the angle, something like 70 for wood, 90 aluminum,
135 for SS (these are guesses, I'm not at my shop). But as mentioned before,
yes the number (#10) bits have a slightly closer tolerance for rivets etc.
Steve
--------
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www.mypiet.com
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| From: | "Piet2112" <curtdm(at)gmail.com> |
I hope I don't offend anyone on the list because I haven't had the pleasure of
meeting any of you (other than Axel), but I was able to aquire a non-automobile
engine for my Piet. I'm looking forward to it's rebuild and hope and pray there
aren't too many surprises.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Long Fuse, Continental C85
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333897#333897
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| From: | "Charles Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Thanks, Jack, I just ordered a set of the drill bits.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 7:10 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
>
> Carson,
> I've had good luck with the higher end Harbor Freight dill sets seen here,
> http://www.harborfreight.com/115-piece-titanium-nitride-coated-m2-high-speed
> -steel-drill-bit-set-1611.html
>
> Another useful link, http://www.carbidedepot.com/resources.htm
>
> Jack
> DSM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of carson
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:56 AM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fittings
>
>
> Sorry for being stupid but what is #10
> As I have had the same trouble and would love to have the right sized
> drlii
> bit
> Carson
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333833#333833
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
AN bolt tolerances are quite tight, if compared to hardware store bolts.
In general, AN bolt sizes ARE multiples of 1/16". i.e. AN4 = 4 x 1/16", or 1/4".
The exception is AN3, which is actually a #10 bolt, which has a diameter of
0.190". Now, this is REALLY close to 3/16" (0.1875"), so it makes sense to use
that size.
The actual MAXIMUM diameters of the shanks of AN bolts are typically .001" smaller
than the nominal size - so an AN4 bolt will have a maximum shank diameter
of 0.250 - .001 = 0.249". Likewise, the MAXIMUM shank diameter of an AN3 bolt
will be 0.190 - .001 = 0.189".
The MINIMUM shank diam is only a few thousandths less than the maximum allowable
value (.003 for AN3 thru AN6).
When drilling holes in metals (aluminum or steel) for AN bolts to pass thru, some
clearance is necessary. As was suggested, for an AN3 bolt, use a #10 drill
(0.1935"). This will allow a clearance of .005" or .006". Using a 13/64" (0.2031")
bit will result in a hole that is a bit sloppy, and could result in too much
play in the connection. When drilling holes in wood, one can probably get
away with using a 3/16" diameter drill bit for an AN3 bolt, since wood is relatively
soft (especially compared to the bolts), so it will "give" when the bolt
is pushed in. Also, any wobble in the bit will effectively increase the hole
diameter, very slightly. Again, as was stated before, it would be good practice
to ream the holes after varnishing or painting.
The following website has lots of handy charts for AN and MS bolts and other hardware.
Just click on the type of hardware, and look for the little tool icons
labeled "tech info" for the relevant charts:
http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/
Bill C.
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Most excellent Curt. In 3 more days I can tell you just how smart a move
that was, compared to trying to make an automobile engine do something it
was never designed to do.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: C85-8F
I hope I don't offend anyone on the list because I haven't had the pleasure
of meeting any of you (other than Axel), but I was able to aquire a
non-automobile engine for my Piet. I'm looking forward to it's rebuild and
hope and pray there aren't too many surprises.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Long Fuse, Continental C85
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| From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Jack,
Need more steel? Price is good!
Gary
------Original Message------
From: Jack Phillips
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: C85-8F
Sent: Mar 14, 2011 6:43 PM
Most excellent Curt. In 3 more days I can tell you just how smart a move
that was, compared to trying to make an automobile engine do something it
was never designed to do.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP "Icarus Plummet"
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 5:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: C85-8F
I hope I don't offend anyone on the list because I haven't had the pleasure
of meeting any of you (other than Axel), but I was able to aquire a
non-automobile engine for my Piet. I'm looking forward to it's rebuild and
hope and pray there aren't too many surprises.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Long Fuse, Continental C85
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333897#333897
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| Subject: | Great read (non Pietenpol) |
| From: | "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com> |
Found a book grandpa gave me along with all of his Pietenpol logs and info..
"Wager With The Wind" the Don Sheldon story, a great book about a young man who
decided Alaska was his place, and came to learn bush flying once he got there!
I am only 1/4 way into the book, and so far I have gone from really really
wanting to fly my T-Craft to alaska, to I WILL fly my T-Craft to Alaska! (I would
fly the Pietenpol there, but the open cockpit might get a bit cold!)
--------
www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable
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| From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
| Subject: | Re: Great read (non Pietenpol) |
Before I got tired of packing and moving them I had quite a collection of "boys"
flying adventure books. At garage, estate and library sales I found some great
books. The most fun were written about 1910 when the authors were not sure
what planes were going to look like or do.
Lots of rattling good adventure using ropes hanging from the hovering Airship to
save someone. All the heroes were pure and honest and the boys went thru a trial
that taught them the value of honesty and truth. You stand by your friends
and family.
Blue Skies,
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: VanDy <matthew.vandervort(at)gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 6:38
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great read (non Pietenpol)
>
> Found a book grandpa gave me along with all of his Pietenpol logs and info..
> "Wager With The Wind" the Don Sheldon story, a great book about a young man who
decided Alaska was his place, and came to learn bush flying once
> he got there! I am only 1/4 way into the book, and so far I have
> gone from really really wanting to fly my T-Craft to alaska, to I
> WILL fly my T-Craft to Alaska! (I would fly the Pietenpol there,
> but the open cockpit might get a bit cold!)
>
> --------
> www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there!
>
> almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS
> cable
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333929#333929
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Piet driver (slightly off-topic) |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
At the risk of being off-topic, I want to brag a little bit. My
seventeen year-old son, Kevin, successfully passed his private
pilot checkride this afternoon. Other than a few hours at the
beginning of the training process, all of his hours, including
the checkride, were in our 1957 PA22/20-150 Piper Pacer.
Apparently it had been awhile since the DE had given a
checkride in a taildragger.
So Kevin is well on his way to being a Piet driver -- okay, there's
the connection to the list -- as soon as we finish building it.
Cheers, Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Piet driver (slightly off-topic) |
Congrats to your son Ken! You must be a very proud father. And to do it in a
Pacer is an extra feather in his AND your cap! Bit of a twitchy bird on landing
and roll out compared to many of the longer fuse more docile taildraggers out
there.
My son did about 12 hours on our Stinson with me doing the training. You can probably
see where this is going. Father son training never ends well. At 16
he's taken an aviation sabatical in favour of girls and snowboards. Perhaps its
the many years I dragged him to Brodhead and Oshkosh...
I'm still terribly proud of the lad and his zest for life but I hear stories like
yours and am a tad envious of your situation. Aviation is always more fun
when you can share with friends and family.
Scott Knowlton
Slow builder, Burlington ON.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:25:43
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet driver (slightly off-topic)
At the risk of being off-topic, I want to brag a little bit. My
seventeen year-old son, Kevin, successfully passed his private
pilot checkride this afternoon. Other than a few hours at the
beginning of the training process, all of his hours, including
the checkride, were in our 1957 PA22/20-150 Piper Pacer.
Apparently it had been awhile since the DE had given a
checkride in a taildragger.
So Kevin is well on his way to being a Piet driver -- okay, there's
the connection to the list -- as soon as we finish building it.
Cheers, Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Piet driver (slightly off-topic) |
Kudos to Kevin!! If flying is his passion, I hope he always keeps at the
forefront as he looks for a career!
Gary Boothe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet driver (slightly off-topic)
At the risk of being off-topic, I want to brag a little bit. My
seventeen year-old son, Kevin, successfully passed his private
pilot checkride this afternoon. Other than a few hours at the
beginning of the training process, all of his hours, including
the checkride, were in our 1957 PA22/20-150 Piper Pacer.
Apparently it had been awhile since the DE had given a
checkride in a taildragger.
So Kevin is well on his way to being a Piet driver -- okay, there's
the connection to the list -- as soon as we finish building it.
Cheers, Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Piet driver (slightly off-topic) |
| From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Hi Ken,
Congratulations to you and your son. This is a real accomplishment that wil
l help him in all his endeavors going forward in life, not to mention a lif
e-long shared love and attachment to his father. Not too many people have t
his gut-level determination to finish a difficult goal.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 5:40 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet driver (slightly off-topic)
At the risk of being off-topic, I want to brag a little bit. My
eventeen year-old son, Kevin, successfully passed his private
ilot checkride this afternoon. Other than a few hours at the
eginning of the training process, all of his hours, including
he checkride, were in our 1957 PA22/20-150 Piper Pacer.
pparently it had been awhile since the DE had given a
heckride in a taildragger.
So Kevin is well on his way to being a Piet driver -- okay, there's
he connection to the list -- as soon as we finish building it.
heers, Ken
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| From: | "Mild Bill" <whfrank(at)charter.net> |
TMI! The full text strings (everything between the begin URL and end URL declarations)
didn't even work on my computer. These pared down strings will open the
two pages.
Leather Aviation Cap - Brown
http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/store/001804.php?__utma=1.833319212.1300084196.1300084196.1300084196.1&__utmb=1.1.10.1300084196&__utmc=1&__utmx=-
Gauntlets, Brown Deerskin
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| Subject: | Re: Piet driver (slightly off-topic) |
| From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks Gary.
I hope so, too. He's thinking an aeronautical or aerospace
engineering major might suit him. He's also thinking he might want to
go to the University of Colorado Boulder to do that, since he'd be
able to be near the airplane (and the ski areas that he likes to
frequent). Did I mention that this would mean in-state tuition? Even
if I offer to pay avgas bills for four years, it would still work out
to be a pretty good bargain.
I hope everyone will forgive one more indulgence. I've attached a
couple photos from the end of his checkride.
Ken
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Gboothe5 wrote:
>
> Kudos to Kevin!! If flying is his passion, I hope he always keeps at the
> forefront as he looks for a career!
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bicke
rs
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:26 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet driver (slightly off-topic)
>
>
> At the risk of being off-topic, I want to brag a little bit. -My
> seventeen year-old son, Kevin, successfully passed his private
> pilot checkride this afternoon. -Other than a few hours at the
> beginning of the training process, all of his hours, including
> the checkride, were in our 1957 PA22/20-150 Piper Pacer.
> Apparently it had been awhile since the DE had given a
> checkride in a taildragger.
>
> So Kevin is well on his way to being a Piet driver -- okay, there's
> the connection to the list -- as soon as we finish building it.
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
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| From: | "Gboothe5" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Piet driver (slightly off-topic) |
Don't think anyone will fault you for being a proud papa!
Gary
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