Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-lf
May 06, 2012 - June 04, 2012
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months" |
Just finished up some electrical loose ends, and, after having the airframe
dismantled for fabric and paint, I just HAD to run it again.
<http://youtu.be/JE0WxHGZxus> http://youtu.be/JE0WxHGZxus
Just need a volunteer to do another static run-up! (Curt Merdan.where are
you?)
Gary from Cool
NX308MB
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From: | Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com> |
For a really cool affect after polishing them get some clear for chrome and
add some candy pigment and make colored polished alum.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Date: Sun=2C 6 May 2012 07:18:08 -0700
From: speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts
It takes some work=2C but they do look great polished. I polished all of my
wing and cabane struts at one time and my arms were quite sore the next da
y or two.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Aluminum struts, cont. |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Found a few more interesting pics related to the recent thread.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
Disclaimer: This whole idea of the alum struts, inserts, etc. is not mine.
I unashamedly copied it from (Brodhead visit '05?) our very own, highly res
pected Top Curmudgeon, Larry Williams, from the great state of Arkansas. M
aybe it was his original idea. Don't know.
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Subject: | Re: "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months" |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Time to hook-up the industrial fish scale!!! Send the wife to the mall and
give it the gun!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Getting closer to drilling the lower gear lugs to set the angle of the
wheels at 2 degrees. I plan to use a digital angle gauge but wanted a
double check. I plan to install a wedge shim on top of the axle and then
top it with a piece of angle the full length across the top of both axles
side to side. 2 percent would be the angle. To determine the height of the
wedge, what figure would I use for the base? The distance to the fuselage
side?
Thanks!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months" |
Hi Gary,
Glad you got the electrical loose ends fixed. Also the Corviar sounds good. I have
my forward cabanes (to motor mount) ready to weld along with a step on right
gear leg. As soon as they are done will put on the motor mount and try to get
engine hung.
I like the light green and trim. How about a close up of your logo so I can read
it; promise not to copy it.
cheers,
Jim
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From: | "John Greenlee" <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | off topic but of interest to pilots |
This was a portion of an email I received from the TX Chapter of the Antique
Airplane Association. I don't know this individual or other details. Can
anyone verify what is going on here? Have any of y'all heard of situations
like this?
Heads up from Dick Stephens:
What you don't know could cost you $10,000 TSA Fine
TSA is policing Tyler airport and gave a person a $10,000 ticket.
I was there on a cross country flight with a student and parked at the base
of the tower. The restaurant was closed at 2:00 in the afternoon. We decided
to walk around the static aircraft exhibit to Tyler Jet. When we entered
Tyler Jet they were surprised and said "Where did you come from? We didn't
see you taxi in." We told them and they asked if we had an airport
clearance. They told us TSA had given a man a $10,000 fine and put him on a
no fly list. There were no signs or warnings. We were told we had to stay in
the foot print of our plane or have an escort. Tyler Jet said they would
take us back to our plane when we were ready.
That was a Big Surprise that could have cost us. Spread the word.
Dick Stephens
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From: | "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> |
Had a great weekend. Got the wings mounted, struts cut and strut fittings drilled.
While sitting back with a cold Porter and reflecting on the years, I could
swear I saw 899PM strain at the tail tiedown!
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PAPA MIKE
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Subject: | Re: off topic but of interest to pilots |
From: | "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net> |
According to AOPA Trler Tx airport is a commercial-service airport (has commercial passenger operations) http://www.aopa.org/airports/KTYR and is therefore subject to TSA Security Directive 1542-04-08G that went into effect in 2009. In a nutshell, at commercial airports TSA allows for transient pilots to move about for refueling, an emergency, direct access the FBO or exit. ( http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/security/brief_sd.html ) Several sources say walking unescorted is acceptable. Other than that you could be in trouble if your wandering around.
TSA Airport Badging Program: Security Directive 1542-04-08G
http://www.nbaa.org/ops/security/airport-badges/
May 29, 2009
On May 28, 2009, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) issued Security
Directive (SD) 1542-04-08G, which modifies security protocols for transient
aircraft and after-hours operations at commercial-service airports. This newest
revision of the security directive "Version G" clarifies the TSA's initial
security directive, SD 1542-04-08F, and addresses some of the immediate, top-level
concerns raised by NBAA and other general aviation groups about how the
TSA's "badging" program would be implemented and what impact it might have on
security and safety.
Note: Due to the sensitive nature of the information included in the directive,
the TSA has not made the full content of the document widely available.
TSA has provided additional clarification on the impact of the SD to general aviation
operations:
As previously discussed, the purpose of the SD is to require background checks
and identification for All PERSONS with UNESCORTED ACCESS to the SIDA and
AOA at Commercial Airports. The affect of these badging SD's on General Aviation
pilots will depend upon where they are operating:
> For HOME-BASED PILOTS, the badging requirements will apply if you have
leased space or are part of a tenant program unless alternate measures have been
approved by the airport operator. An example of an alternative measure would
be an escort program.
> For TRANSIENT PILOTS, they will not be required to have airport badges
or background checks from any of the NON Home-Based airports they visit. Transient
pilots are advised to remain in the footprint of their aircraft and to and
from fixed-based operator, service provider or airport exit. Special allowance
will be given to transient pilot operators in the AOA who are fueling or in
emergency status.
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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Subject: | Re: 14 YEAR UPDATE |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Mike,
Veeerrrrry cool. Love the unique wheel coverings. Nobody else has this to m
y knowledge. Congratulations on your progress. Good job.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: 899PM <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 2:49 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 14 YEAR UPDATE
Had a great weekend. Got the wings mounted, struts cut and strut fittings
rilled. While sitting back with a cold Porter and reflecting on the years,
I
ould swear I saw 899PM strain at the tail tiedown!
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APA MIKE
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Subject: | Re: off topic but of interest to pilots |
From: | joe motis <joemotis(at)gmail.com> |
Hold on , they were standing at the base of the tower?? Who exactly did
they talk to to get permission to land if it is a towered airport? At 2:00
in the afternoon one could assume the tower was open . Footprint of your
airplane??? Do they have drive thru or folks on roller skates to bring you
food anddo they roll the porta potty out to you ?No hundred dollar
hamburger for you since they are closed at 2:00 I guess
I am just kidding but have never heard of anything like this. Perhaps a
TFR was in effect.
No Archive
Joe Motis
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:57 AM, John Greenlee wr
ote:
> ** **
>
> This was a portion of an email I received from the TX Chapter of the
> Antique Airplane Association. I don=92t know this individual or other
> details. Can anyone verify what is going on here? Have any of y=92all h
eard
> of situations like this? ****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Heads up from Dick Stephens:
>
> What you don't know could cost you $10,000 TSA Fine
>
> TSA is policing ****Tyler**** airport and gave a person a $10,000 ticket.
>
> I was there on a cross country flight with a student and parked at the
> base of the tower. The restaurant was closed at 2:00 in the afternoon. We
> decided to walk around the static aircraft exhibit to Tyler Jet. When we
> entered Tyler Jet they were surprised and said "Where did you come from?
We
> didn't see you taxi in." We told them and they asked if we had an airport
> clearance. They told us TSA had given a man a $10,000 fine and put him on
a
> no fly list. There were no signs or warnings. We were told we had to stay
> in the foot print of our plane or have an escort. Tyler Jet said they wou
ld
> take us back to our plane when we were ready.
>
> That was a Big Surprise that could have cost us. Spread the word.
>
> Dick Stephens****
>
> ** **
>
> *
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Subject: | Re: off topic but of interest to pilots |
From: | joe motis <joemotis(at)gmail.com> |
I love the internet
>From good the good old EAA too.
EAA News - TSA Issues Revised *Airport* Security Directive
8G<http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-05-29_8g.asp>
www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-05-29_8g.asp
May 29, 2009 ' =93For *transient pilots*, *they will not* be *required* t
o *have
airport badges* or *background checks* from *any* of the *non Home*-*Based
airports they visit*.*Transient pilots* are *advised* to *remain* in the *
footprint* of *their aircraft* and to and from *fixed*-*based
operator*, *service
provider* or *airport exit*. Special allowance will be*...*
*
*
*No archive*
*
*
*Joe Motis*
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:57 AM, John Greenlee wr
ote:
> ** **
>
> This was a portion of an email I received from the TX Chapter of the
> Antique Airplane Association. I don=92t know this individual or other
> details. Can anyone verify what is going on here? Have any of y=92all h
eard
> of situations like this? ****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Heads up from Dick Stephens:
>
> What you don't know could cost you $10,000 TSA Fine
>
> TSA is policing ****Tyler**** airport and gave a person a $10,000 ticket.
>
> I was there on a cross country flight with a student and parked at the
> base of the tower. The restaurant was closed at 2:00 in the afternoon. We
> decided to walk around the static aircraft exhibit to Tyler Jet. When we
> entered Tyler Jet they were surprised and said "Where did you come from?
We
> didn't see you taxi in." We told them and they asked if we had an airport
> clearance. They told us TSA had given a man a $10,000 fine and put him on
a
> no fly list. There were no signs or warnings. We were told we had to stay
> in the foot print of our plane or have an escort. Tyler Jet said they wou
ld
> take us back to our plane when we were ready.
>
> That was a Big Surprise that could have cost us. Spread the word.
>
> Dick Stephens****
>
> ** **
>
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From: | "Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com> |
Subject: | Re: off topic but of interest to pilots |
I've read 3rd-hand information of a GA pilot who went through something
similar after landing at KDAL. Bad deal...TSA/Homeland Security have
been given far too much power. These are agencies that never should've
been created and now they will never go away. Here are some more
details on the incidents I've heard of:
http://www.dfwpilots.com/board/index.php?showtopic=5184
http://forums.aopa.org/showthread.php?t=52546
Google Scott Morse & Colorado Pilots Association for another similar
story. Apparently pilots are being fined outrageous amounts for
unknowingly being in the wrong place at towered airports.
Sorry for the off-topic post. Then again, maybe it isn't off topic.
There are plenty of these people who think we shouldn't be allowed to
fly at all. Stuff like this puts us on a slippery slope.
What I don't know is what I can do about it. Writing your
representatives seems ineffective.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
From: John Greenlee
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic but of interest to pilots
This was a portion of an email I received from the TX Chapter of the
Antique Airplane Association. I don't know this individual or other
details. Can anyone verify what is going on here? Have any of y'all
heard of situations like this?
Heads up from Dick Stephens:
What you don't know could cost you $10,000 TSA Fine
TSA is policing Tyler airport and gave a person a $10,000 ticket.
I was there on a cross country flight with a student and parked at the
base of the tower. The restaurant was closed at 2:00 in the afternoon.
We decided to walk around the static aircraft exhibit to Tyler Jet.
When we entered Tyler Jet they were surprised and said "Where did you
come from? We didn't see you taxi in." We told them and they asked if we
had an airport clearance. They told us TSA had given a man a $10,000
fine and put him on a no fly list. There were no signs or warnings. We
were told we had to stay in the foot print of our plane or have an
escort. Tyler Jet said they would take us back to our plane when we were
ready.
That was a Big Surprise that could have cost us. Spread the word.
Dick Stephens
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: 14 YEAR UPDATE |
Very nice indeed. It's been a long journey, but from what I can see, well worth
the effort.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months" |
Man I don't know, Latex paint, and a Corvair, you are asking for it!=C2-
Just kidding ya Gary From Cool, Nice work.=C2- I should have our corvair
latex rocket ship flying this weekend, as long as I don't have to install f
loats due to the rain we have been getting.
=C2-
Shad
--- On Sun, 5/6/12, Gary Boothe wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months
"
Date: Sunday, May 6, 2012, 5:11 PM
Just finished up some electrical loose ends, and, after having the airframe
dismantled for fabric and paint, I just HAD to run it again
=C2-
http://youtu.be/JE0WxHGZxus
=C2-
Just need a volunteer to do another static run-up! (Curt Merdanwhe
re are you?)
=C2-
Gary from Cool
NX308MB
=C2-
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From: | TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com> |
Subject: | Fir available in Minneapolis |
Hey all=2C
I have a couple of boards of nice clear fir I could offer to someone cheap
- perhaps Dick Navratril. I purchased them a while back with the intention
s of using them for spars but they didn't pan out. They'd make good materi
al for the fuselage=2C ribs=2C tail=2C etc. but without a bunch of glue up
=2C they wouldn't make good spars. Looking to get $50 for the 3+ boards th
at are 3/4 thick=2C x 4 3/4" wide x 16'-0" long.
Lemme know if you're interested - I don't want to ship so you'd have to pic
k them up. If I don't sell=2C I'm thinking it will feed another project fo
r someone (perhaps me) down the road=2C but currently I have all that I can
do to work on my current project which was started in 2001 and is on sched
ule to complete sometime before the next century.
Tom B.
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From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Subject: | Re: Fir available in Minneapolis |
Sorry Tom, I dont need any right now.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fir available in Minneapolis
Hey all,
I have a couple of boards of nice clear fir I could offer to someone
cheap - perhaps Dick Navratril. I purchased them a while back with the
intentions of using them for spars but they didn't pan out. They'd make
good material for the fuselage, ribs, tail, etc. but without a bunch of
glue up, they wouldn't make good spars. Looking to get $50 for the 3+
boards that are 3/4 thick, x 4 3/4" wide x 16'-0" long.
Lemme know if you're interested - I don't want to ship so you'd have
to pick them up. If I don't sell, I'm thinking it will feed another
project for someone (perhaps me) down the road, but currently I have all
that I can do to work on my current project which was started in 2001
and is on schedule to complete sometime before the next century.
Tom B.
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From: | "Larry V" <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com> |
Hello
Today my trip to aircraft spruce in Brantford Can. I picked up
1 little bag and 750.00 worth of cable, thimbles, clevises, copper sleeves, turnbuckles
and a couple of tools. When I got home I was just like a kid at Christmas
time opening up the little packages. The problem is once I put together the
turnbuckles they seem way to big. Size 155-32L With 170 eye and 161 fork The
length with eye and fork screwed all the way in is 6 inches.
I have one I bought that was a 155-16s and it looks way to small.
I am using 1/8th 7-19 cable throughout the plane. I was wondering if any one could
help me out with the turnbuckle size?
Thanks
Larry V
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From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
This is nuts! Of course none of us would EVER
need this!
http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/23183/how-to-make-a-woodworking-spri
ng-clamp-out-of-pvc-drainpipe/
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From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Rats! That's not the one that was supposed to come up!
THIS one is!
http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/22728/how-to-save-a-miscut-board-fro
m-the-scrap-bin
This is nuts! Of course none of us would EVER
need this!
http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/23183/how-to-make-a-woodworking-spri
ng-clamp-out-of-pvc-drainpipe/
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Subject: | Re: Board stretcher |
From: | "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com> |
Really! ... I hope no one believed this, note the date posted, April 1st, 2012.
Good one!
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: turnbuckle size |
Larry, the -32L body, the "L" indicates it is a long body as opposed to the
short body, -32S.
The forks and the eyes can also be odered long. If the LAST letter for each
is the letter "L", they are long as well. Next to last letters indicate th
read direction.-- -32LL left head thread, long. -32RL, right hand threa
d, long.- -32 RS, right hand thread, short.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Board stretcher |
From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Obviously fake... to go from 4 to 5 feet is NOT 20 percent like he says...
However, if you read the comments, and look carefully, you'll see it's a knot remover
as well. THAT could be useful. I imagine once stretched, the grain runout
would be less as well. Lastly, if longer, but cross section dimensionally
the same, it should weigh less per cubic volume, making it lighter and our planes
will climb better!
Seriously, this stuff has all kinds of uses!
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From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Clif:
Do you know if that stuff works equally well on all types of wood? I'm wondering
if I were to apply it to my wings if the spruce, birch and mahogany would all
stretch equally. Seems like a good way to add 6' to the wings once they are
fully constructed. rather than pulling with a simple come-along, I figure I
could use a couple of trees tied to the root corners and pull on the wing tip
bow with a Bobcat or something.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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Subject: | Cone Gear for Magneto |
From: | "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com> |
Hey gang,
I'm looking for a 1 3/4 inch long cone gear to fit an older Bendix magneto (SF4RN8),
or a complete SF4RN8 core with gear. Hit me offline if you have one.
Thanks,
--------
Tom Kreiner
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From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Subject: | Re: Board stretcher |
Sometimes I just can't help myself!
And my kids are three thousand miles away
so they can't help me either! :-)
Anyway, here's the other end of my brake
system. Finally!!
Clif
"Beware of geeks bearing formulas." (Warren Buffett)
>
> Obviously fake... to go from 4 to 5 feet is NOT 20 percent like he says...
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From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I couldn't lure anyone in? I tried to sound like I was buying it... guess it didn't
work. Slow day...
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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Subject: | Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
I am starting on the control system and have ordered all the steel except the "Streamlined
tube No. 1667" that is stated on the plans for the bell crank. I have
spoken with the supplier here in Australia who I have ordered the rest of
the steel tube from and he has no idea about this. His "streamlined tube" is like
the aerofoil shape the struts are made of.
What are builders using?
Scotty
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Subject: | Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
Scotty, yes to your question. I made mine from .032 4130. See here
http://textors.com/DSCN4210.JPG
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
I am starting on the control system and have ordered all the steel except
the "Streamlined tube No. 1667" that is stated on the plans for the bell
crank. I have spoken with the supplier here in Australia who I have ordered
the rest of the steel tube from and he has no idea about this. His
"streamlined tube" is like the aerofoil shape the struts are made of.
What are builders using?
Scotty
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start
fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372730#372730
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
You can use the strut type tube, try to get a smaller version of it. (cross
section.)- Or, you can use round tube and squeeze the ends.- Some I be
lieve have just used flat plate.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Thank you Jack....where did you get that drawing from? Its not what I was thinking!
I was picturing a tube that had been squashed into an oval shape and crushed
at each end...hhhmmm
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Michael....is that tube with the ends flattened? Thank you for the pics...Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | four minute video of possible interest |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkGNAqlkQnY
Local friend and aviation film producer Adam White of Hemlock films (Red Ta
il Reborn, Restorers, Doolittle Raiders They Were all
Volunteers) came out to the hangar last week to film the Piet and I trying
out his new Red Epic digital video camera.
Evidently the Red Epic camera was hard for Adam to get because the producer
s of some of the big movies like the Avengers and
such used this camera and bought up the first 50 produced!
Mike C.
http://www.hemlockfilms.com/Hemlock_Films/Main.html
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Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Scotty your vision is correct to plans. The drawing is from Ken Perkins. It allows
for less slack in the cables. If the horn is mounted as high as possible
the cables shouldn't touch the H stab. Kens number is 913-764-six nine four
nine.
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On May 10, 2012, at 6:46 AM, "bubbleboy" wrote:
>
> Thank you Jack....where did you get that drawing from? Its not what I was thinking!
I was picturing a tube that had been squashed into an oval shape and crushed
at each end...hhhmmm
>
> Scotty
>
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> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
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> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Scotty,
There's no real need to use streamline tube, unless you happen to have a piece
lying around. The bellcrank isn't (well, it SHOULDN'T be) exposed to moving air,
since it's enclosed in the fuselage. You could use round tube, and flatten
the ends, or add tabs to attach the cables, or, as Jack has done, make up your
own belcrank from two formed pieces of sheet metal. You could also make a bellcrank
from a flat piece of steel, but you really should put a bend in it to stiffen
it, since a flat piece would need to have significant thickness to be stiff
enough without a stiffening rib, and "significant thickness" means extra
weight.
bill C.
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
Yes, round tube, squeezed ends.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
I'm using a strip of .090 4130 steel 1 inch wide. If necessary, I will
brace the strip on each side. If you're not a purist, you don't absolutely
have to use tubing. C
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From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
>
>
> I am starting on the control system and have ordered all the steel except
> the "Streamlined tube No. 1667" that is stated on the plans for the bell
> crank. I have spoken with the supplier here in Australia who I have
> ordered the rest of the steel tube from and he has no idea about this. His
> "streamlined tube" is like the aerofoil shape the struts are made of.
>
> What are builders using?
>
> Scotty
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
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> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start
> fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Subject: | Re: four minute video of possible interest |
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From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
Subject: | Pietenpol International Relations |
=46rom the Holy Writ of Waldo, 2:50 - 3:01,
"You better all grab your courage everybody, 'cause this is
flying weather! Now I am talking five dollars for the best five minutes
of your life."
Last Friday my wife and I had the pleasure of hosting Eiichi
Kurabayashi, a work colleague from Japan. He was attending a conference
in Chicago and made the short drive to Madison to see our operation.
Friday was all business with lots of bowing, me in a suit (I usually
wear shorts to work), two-handed exchange of business cards (thanks Gary
Boothe for the tip) and a business lunch. Eiichi let his guard down a
bit and asked about hobbies. I told him I had a couple of airplanes and
he looked at me and asked "Why two?" The obvious answer was because I
did not have three! I asked him if he wanted to go flying and he
immediately said yes. Plans were made for a Saturday adventure.
We picked him up at his hotel in Madison and drove to Hartford, talking
about cultural differences and really enjoying the drive. The weather
was about 55 degrees and my plan was to take him up in the Cub with the
window open but lower clamshell closed so he could take pictures and we
could have the rumor of cabin heat. While prepping the Cub, he sat in
the Piet with a helmet and goggles. My natural a$$holiness tried to take
over and and shout the obvious WWII based stereotypes but the stink eye
I got from my wife let me know that was not welcome. Taxiing to the gas
pump, my new tailwheel was unlocking way too easily when applying rudder
inputs. I decided, after going around the patch by myself, that it was
not worth the small risk of scaring my guest on a slow groundloop if the
tailwheel went into full swivel on the rollout. So, I looked at my guest
and stated it was time for Plan B. 502Rocket was pushed out and we made
a nice 30 minute flight around the area. I was in a hoodie and he kept
the helmet on. It was a bit chilly but the windscreens Gene Pennington
(RIP my friend) made a few years ago really keep the face area breeze
free.
The flight was a huge success and was capped off by a bratwurst lunch.
Eiichi ate three of them. I really love sharing aviation.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
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Subject: | Re: four minute video of possible interest |
From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Very well done Mike!
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John
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Subject: | Another Burned Valve |
From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
In January of last year the number 3 exhaust valve burned & failed on my corvair.
One of the recommended vendors did a great job getting the heads re-done and
back to me. The failure occurred at 190 hours.
On March 31st of this year the same valve failed in the same way. This event occurred
at 290 hours. WW believes that a leak in the intake system on that side
of the motor is likely causing the failure. The intake tubes were bolted onto
the head and my primer entered the head at the stock carb base on that side
of the motor. Given my inexperience at aircraft plumbing it would not be too
great a leap to think that my sealing techniques may be the issue. (Every problem
Ive had with FBG has been self-induced.)
Mark P. has re-done the heads to include welding on intake runners. Ill replace
my intake manifold with a WW version. These mods should eliminate the possibility
of an intake leak. The other major difference in the heads is that Mark
added valve rotators.
Then there are my friends at UPS
When I sent the heads to Mark, I transposed a number on his address. That delayed
delivery for a week. My fault, but UPS response was dismal. The finished
heads were supposed to be delivered to me yesterday. Turns out, they were on
a train in Illinois that was derailed by a tornado. Now the UPS site says the
heads are either, 1) on the truck for delivery today, or 2) still in Illinois.
Im pretty frustrated, having lost the two best months of the fly-in season.
Anyway, Ill have to modify the cowling at least a little but I hope the reinstallation
goes well and Im flying by the 26th of May.
Thinking happy thoughts in Austin.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: Another Burned Valve |
From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Kevin, despite your problems, youre having better luck with Mark P. than I am.
I handed him my heads at corvair college 20 in Hinsdale, MI on June 4 of last
year. Not a word from him since. He hasnt returned my calls to his business,
cell phone and email. Dont know if I will ever see my heads again.
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John
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Subject: | Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts |
From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
I mentioned a few months ago that my original wood struts were delaminating. The
Sainted Gary Boothe made me new ones which are going strong and look great.
Anyway, as I was moving to a new hangar a couple of months ago I needed to get
rid of the old struts. They would fit in the dumpster better if I broke them
in two.
Destructive Test 1): I put one end of a strut on the u-haul bumper and the other
end on the ground. I attempted to stomp in the middle of the strut to get it
to break. The only thing that came close to being broken was my ankle. It
wouldve taken a lot more than my 200 pounds stomping on that strut to get it to
fail.
Destructive Test 2): Cut same strut half way through and repeated Test 1. Again,
the only thing close to breaking was my ankle.
Destructive Test 3): Cut same strut until less then was left intact and repeated
Test 1. This time, after several stomps and much protest, the strut gave way.
Destructive Test 4): Having determined that the only way to destroy the struts
was to cut them up, I took the opportunity to inspect the delaminating portions.
Turns out, the delaminations went in about 1/8 and the rest of the glue joints
were intact.
I've mentioned this before: the fitting attach bolt holes at the ends of the struts
showed no signs of distress.
Not exactly scientific, but it's real. The struts had ~260 hours and several hundred
landings on them. For what its worth.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts |
From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
That's more testing than I've done. Thanks for sharing the details.
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Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol International Relations |
From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Awesome! That's good stuff.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Subject: | Re: Another Burned Valve |
Kevin:
One thing you might want to try after you get your heads back is the
vacuum cleaner check. Basically you hook up a vacuum cleaner to the
head so that the blower side of the vacuum pressurizes the intake. Then
use a little soapy water and slosh it liberally around any place that
might harbour an air leak. If there is one you will see bubbles. My
friend here in McPherson running a Corvair with welded intakes on his
Zenith 601 experienced detonation that forced rebuilding one of his
heads. Turns out there was a pin hole in the weld that could not be
seen with the naked eye but which showed up quickly with this test.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> "kevinpurtee" 5/10/2012 12:30 PM >>>
In January of last year the number 3 exhaust valve burned & failed on
my corvair. One of the recommended vendors did a great job getting the
heads re-done and back to me. The failure occurred at 190 hours.
On March 31st of this year the same valve failed in the same way. This
event occurred at 290 hours. WW believes that a leak in the intake
system on that side of the motor is likely causing the failure. The
intake tubes were bolted onto the head and my primer entered the head at
the stock carb base on that side of the motor. Given my inexperience at
aircraft plumbing it would not be too great a leap to think that my
sealing techniques may be the issue. (Every problem Ive had with FBG
has been self-induced.)
Mark P. has re-done the heads to include welding on intake runners.
Ill replace my intake manifold with a WW version. These
mods should eliminate the possibility of an intake leak. The other
major difference in the heads is that Mark added valve rotators.
Then there are my friends at UPS|
When I sent the heads to Mark, I transposed a number on his address.
That delayed delivery for a week. My fault, but UPS response was
dismal. The finished heads were supposed to be delivered to me
yesterday. Turns out, they were on a train in Illinois that was
derailed by a tornado. Now the UPS site says the heads are either, 1)
on the truck for delivery today, or 2) still in Illinois.
Im pretty frustrated, having lost the two best months of the fly-in
season.
Anyway, Ill have to modify the cowling at least a little but I hope
the reinstallation goes well and Im flying by the 26th of May.
Thinking happy thoughts in Austin.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Thank you everyone for your comments. If I was to use tube and squash each end,
do I need to heat the ends first and squash them while hot? Metal work is not
my comfort zone so im treading very carefully here and want to get it right.
Scotty
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Scotty I too shied away from heating metal before working. Its actually easy and
works better that way. If you squish it in a vise make sure the jaws are smooth
or covered with smooth metal. Experiment with some scrap heating till red,
it doesn't take that much heat.
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On May 10, 2012, at 4:04 PM, "bubbleboy" wrote:
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> Thank you everyone for your comments. If I was to use tube and squash each end,
do I need to heat the ends first and squash them while hot? Metal work is not
my comfort zone so im treading very carefully here and want to get it right.
>
> Scotty
>
> --------
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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Subject: | Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts |
From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey Kevin (or Gary),
Could you post some detailed pics of the end fittings? I'm sure I took some last
Brodhead, but I can't for the life of me find where I downloaded them...
Thanks!
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From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Another Burned Valve |
Kevin, Do you do a compression test on your cylinders at your ann. conditio
n inspections?- I was just currious if it something you caught before it
became symtamatic, or did the engine start running rough?- Knock Knock, t
he only valve issues we have had is lead build up on the intake valves, whi
ch was caught with a differential compression check.- We were able to cle
an them without removing the head, with the old rope trick.- I am hoping
to get ours out this weekend after I get done shoveling gravel and working
on the house.- With any luck I might be able to make it to brodhead for a
couple days this year.- Good luck, if I can help with any advise let me
know, if I don't know the answer I can make up stuff with big words.
-
Shad
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts |
Kevin - Take a knee, buddy...I got this...
Tools,
Pictured is Kevin's forward and rearward upper mountings (picture on the
left with his old struts, on the right with the new). He chose to give
himself some adjustment (on the rear strut?). I'm way too simple to
understand wash-in / wash-out (Kevin, being a fling-wing pilot, understands
all that complicated stuff like blade precession, etc.), so I will be
employing the attachment on the left, for all 16 points. I noticed some time
back that Douwe had set his up that way, and when I asked him how to make
adjustments, he said he couldn't.just measure carefully. I decided that, if
I could build an airplane, I could measure carefully.
St. Gary
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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts
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Hey Kevin (or Gary),
Could you post some detailed pics of the end fittings? I'm sure I took some
last Brodhead, but I can't for the life of me find where I downloaded
them...
Thanks!
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Subject: | Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts |
From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Wow, simple enough. Are those AN4's or one size larger? Are they lined up, or
staggered a bit (can't quite tell by the photo, look lined up with each other)?
What's the spacing (can probably come close with a educated guess, but if
you have it handy...)?
Lastly, insofar as "measuring carefully, no washout or anything, right? Just maintain
the same incidence set by lift struts?
Thanks again! Crazy quick, really appreciate that.
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Another Burned Valve |
".if I don't know the answer I can make up stuff with big words." THAT's the
spirit, Shad!
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Burned Valve
Kevin, Do you do a compression test on your cylinders at your ann. condition
inspections? I was just currious if it something you caught before it
became symtamatic, or did the engine start running rough? Knock Knock, the
only valve issues we have had is lead build up on the intake valves, which
was caught with a differential compression check. We were able to clean
them without removing the head, with the old rope trick. I am hoping to get
ours out this weekend after I get done shoveling gravel and working on the
house. With any luck I might be able to make it to brodhead for a couple
days this year. Good luck, if I can help with any advise let me know, if I
don't know the answer I can make up stuff with big words.
Shad
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts |
Kevin will have to answer for his. Mine are AN3, with an AN5 bracket-to-wing
attach. Brackets are about 6" long, with AN3's unevenly spaced from 1 1/2"
to 2", in a straight line.....AND NOT FLIGHT TESTED!
Gary Boothe
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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts
Wow, simple enough. Are those AN4's or one size larger? Are they lined up,
or staggered a bit (can't quite tell by the photo, look lined up with each
other)? What's the spacing (can probably come close with a educated guess,
but if you have it handy...)?
Lastly, insofar as "measuring carefully, no washout or anything, right?
Just maintain the same incidence set by lift struts?
Thanks again! Crazy quick, really appreciate that.
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Attaching wood struts |
Tools,
Here's some more that I pulled off of www.westcoastpiet.com a long time ago.
St. Gary
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Subject: | Re: Another Burned Valve |
From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
@Shad: Both failures showed themselves very quickly when the little chunk of valve
physically broke off and apparently left through the exhaust pipe. It lost
100 rpm and the engine ran a little rougher.
Looking forward to the big words:).
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts |
From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Thanks, Gary:).
@Mike: the bolts bolting the fittings to the struts are AN4 and the bolts bolting
the fittings to the wings are AN5 or 6. If the bolt holes on the fitting are
staggered it's because I couldn't drill the holes in a straight line.
I have used the threaded adjustment feature on the two aft fittings to make the
airplane fly straighter. It would certainly be flyable without the adjustment
but I'm glad I have the ability to tweak it. Gentle, hardly-noticeable turns
are fine in the traffic pattern. They get tedious on cross country flights.
A general thought for builders considering wood struts: if you're worried about
the design considerations associated with wood struts then you may want to keep
it simple and build to the plans. Can't go wrong doing that.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | NX92GB getin close |
Well it's 3am and I just came in from the hangar, got the piet just about r
eady for engine runs, leak checks.- Had to take the top cover off the fue
l tank (center section), to clean it up so I can re-seal the filler neck, a
s we got a little water, and fuel running down there last summer at Brodhea
d.- I also had to put a flush patch on the cowling where a crack had been
propigating.- Got it all primed and painted, just ned to re seal the cow
ling exsaust lip on the bottom of the cowl with pro seal and check the timi
ng etc.- I'd better get my butt to bed, because I got to get up at 8 am a
nd start working on the patio so I can go flying on saturday.- To Kevin:
I am too tired to come up with big words of BS at the moment, I'll try agai
n later.
-
Shad
NX92GB
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Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Thanks Jack...will give it a try! Once squashed, do I let it cool normally or dip
it in Oil/water?
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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From: | "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net> |
Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
Scott
Just heat it up, squish then let it cool slowly in a draft free location. By
the way, if it starts to get hard to squish, you need to heat it again.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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Thanks Jack...will give it a try! Once squashed, do I let it cool normally
or dip it in Oil/water?
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start
fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Thanks Chris...its been 25 years since I have done this kind of thing at school!
Thanks mate!
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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Subject: | Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. |
From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
What Chris said, cool on its own. Dipping in oil would temper it and you would
cuss when drilling
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On May 11, 2012, at 3:17 AM, "bubbleboy" wrote:
>
> Thanks Jack...will give it a try! Once squashed, do I let it cool normally or
dip it in Oil/water?
>
> --------
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372807#372807
>
>
>
>
>
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From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Where can I find a carb heat knob and cable assembly which has an old style brass
or metal knob. I have seen the assemblies with plastic knobs but want something
in brass or the like.
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372811#372811
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From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Hello,
Between structure jobs and others thing I begin to cover the rudder and the stabilizer
to practice and learn about the covering process. I bought a book from
Poly-Fiber, read an other one from the 70's wich talk about all the differents
technics (even fiberglass..), and after all and with the resources I have I
decide to coverit with Dacron fabric and polytak.
It is easy, and the finall result is excelent. But.. I had a big problem... I can
not find Poly-Tak in my country, buy it in Aircraftspruce it is a possibility,
but cost USS 300 the delivery cost because it is a "dangerous product".. I
bought a qt in Argentina, very expensive, few months ago, so I use Poly tak just
for the borders joins, all the other jobs like the reinforced tapes I use
conctact cement, and as I can saw it work perfect, the only problem I found is
that you have just one opportunuty to do the job, you can not make adjusts, so
some little wrinkles in the curved parts result.
Why nobody use contact cement?, I am talking about the one based on toluol, the
one you have to brush both surfaces, wait some minutes and join them... It is
very strong as I can see, with care is easy to apply, is cheep, but I can imagine
that in big fabric pieces could be difficult ti apply. Is there another
reason because nobody use it it?
regards.
Mario
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
You could make your own, Scotty! Those plastic knobs just screw off and on.
Get a chunk of brass, 1"x1", drill it, tap it (now you have a way to hold it
in the vise), then start filing. It'll keep you out of the pub for at least
2 nights...
St. Gary
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 4:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob
-->
Where can I find a carb heat knob and cable assembly which has an old style
brass or metal knob. I have seen the assemblies with plastic knobs but want
something in brass or the like.
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start
fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372811#372811
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Mario,
Two questions you may ask (well, there are lots of questions, like: Is it
flammable?), but two that come to mind are:
1) How does UV affect contact cement?
2) What holding power does it have at 100 knots? 150 knots?
You may never find the answer to those questions, because; A) it's never
been tested, B) it performed so badly that it's not a good consideration.
I have used Polytak and have nothing bad to say about it. Given your
shipping issues, though, you may want to take a look at Stewart Systems
Eko-bond. That's what I used this time around and it is very easy to work
with! It's a zero VOC product and you should have an easier time with
shipping.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 5:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cover adhesive
-->
Hello,
Between structure jobs and others thing I begin to cover the rudder and the
stabilizer to practice and learn about the covering process. I bought a book
from Poly-Fiber, read an other one from the 70's wich talk about all the
differents technics (even fiberglass..), and after all and with the
resources I have I decide to coverit with Dacron fabric and polytak.
It is easy, and the finall result is excelent. But.. I had a big problem...
I can not find Poly-Tak in my country, buy it in Aircraftspruce it is a
possibility, but cost USS 300 the delivery cost because it is a "dangerous
product".. I bought a qt in Argentina, very expensive, few months ago, so I
use Poly tak just for the borders joins, all the other jobs like the
reinforced tapes I use conctact cement, and as I can saw it work perfect,
the only problem I found is that you have just one opportunuty to do the
job, you can not make adjusts, so some little wrinkles in the curved parts
result.
Why nobody use contact cement?, I am talking about the one based on toluol,
the one you have to brush both surfaces, wait some minutes and join them...
It is very strong as I can see, with care is easy to apply, is cheep, but I
can imagine that in big fabric pieces could be difficult ti apply. Is there
another reason because nobody use it it?
regards.
Mario
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372813#372813
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Subject: | Re: cover adhesive |
From: | "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Why perform badly?.. not talk about UV, what are the others reasons?
I make some home test with dacron, contact cement, wood, and dacron, polytak, wood,
and the contact cement example was too much stronger in peel off and sheer
than the polytak one; may be we are talking about differnts adhesives or may
be it perform bad over the time? I like the polytak, it is a matter of price
and disponibility, nothing else.
--------
Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Fw: Fwd: glass steam engine |
Now here is a good pietenpol engine. Kinda sounds like the ford A model.
Gardiner
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Tax ; Bud Coward ; Gardiner
Mason ; "Ken Fosdick, PYM" ; Mike Tenney
- (H) ; Oakley Weyant ; Richard Ludders
; Stephen Adams ; Tom Maher
; Walter Lockhart
Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 6:47:31 PM
Subject: Fwd: glass steam engine
Subject: glass steam engine
>
>For the engineers out there
>
>http://redux.com/stream/item/2134517/Working-Model-of-Stephenson-s-STEAM-ENGINE-made-of-GLASS-Rare
>
>
>
>
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From: | santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar> |
Hola Mario,-=0A=0AYou can use contact cement, that's what most people hav
e been using here for many many years without any problems.-=0A=0ASaludos
=0A=0ASantiago
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From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Carb heat knob |
Knobs can be found here:
http://www.reidsupply.com/detail.aspx?itm=BBF-75
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 6:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob
>
>
> Where can I find a carb heat knob and cable assembly which has an old
> style brass or metal knob. I have seen the assemblies with plastic knobs
> but want something in brass or the like.
>
> Scotty
>
> --------
> Tamworth, Australia
> Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
>
> www.scottyspietenpol.com
>
> Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start
> fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372811#372811
>
>
>
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From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: four minute video of possible interest |
Very nice video, Mike.
I have been looking at different camera options to mount on the Piet and
want something more than a Go Pro. The Epic Red looked like just the
thing I wanted.
Here is a nice video of it's capabilities: http://vimeo.com/25424362 I
recommend watching it full screen,1080 resolution and crank the volume.
Very nice.
Then I checked out the list prices of these cameras, $40,000 - $70,000
depending on options. I don't think I'm getting an Epic Red....
Greg C.
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From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: four minute video of possible interest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkGNAqlkQnY
Local friend and aviation film producer Adam White of Hemlock films
(Red Tail Reborn, Restorers, Doolittle Raiders They Were all
Volunteers) came out to the hangar last week to film the Piet and I
trying out his new Red Epic digital video camera.
Evidently the Red Epic camera was hard for Adam to get because the
producers of some of the big movies like the Avengers and
such used this camera and bought up the first 50 produced!
Mike C.
http://www.hemlockfilms.com/Hemlock_Films/Main.html
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Subject: | Re: Carb heat knob |
From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Greg...thanks mate...a great start!
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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Subject: | any subaru ea 81 piets? |
From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
in planning stages of piet build. would like opinion of any piet builders, fliers
that have experience with a piet powered by a ea81. when younger, i would
buy, fix and sell subarus quite a bit, great engine.
any regrets? things to do differently? any problems hand propping? ive hand
propped while working at banner towing operation, from 85 hp to 180 hp and have
heard the subaru kicks back with electronic ignition but much better with
distributor?
please enlighten me. paul donahue
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From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Subject: | pleasant times with Axel and It girl |
Last week, I spent a lovely Saturday supper with Axel and the "IT" Girl. She is
an awesome cook. She also is a very good furniture maker. Funny to hear them
describe arguments over who is using what woodworking tools in their Garage/woodworking
shop.
Great conversations with a lot of lies being told. But truth be told I really wanted
a flight in his Piet. Too bad it is down due to a burned valve.
Thanks for your hospitality.
Steve "That may not be the way it happened! But that is how I remember it!" D.
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Subject: | Re: pleasant times with Axel and It girl |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Still licking my chops thinking about the grub the IT girl shared at Brodhe
ad last year. Thank you Shelly, most gracious one.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 11:28 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: pleasant times with Axel and It girl
steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Last week, I spent a lovely Saturday supper with Axel and the "IT" Girl. Sh
e is
n awesome cook. She also is a very good furniture maker. Funny to hear them
escribe arguments over who is using what woodworking tools in their
arage/woodworking shop.
Great conversations with a lot of lies being told. But truth be told I real
ly
anted a flight in his Piet. Too bad it is down due to a burned valve.
Thanks for your hospitality.
Steve "That may not be the way it happened! But that is how I remember it!"
D.
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From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | NX92GB back in the air |
Finnaly got the piet back in air, flew her about a half hour and had to com
e in and get ready to go to dinner for my 5th wedd. anniversery.- Gotta g
o, I'm In trouble, running late.
-
Shad
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Subject: | Re: any subaru ea 81 piets? |
From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Paul the only one I have knowledge of is one in the UK. He was not really satisfied
with it's performance and changed it out for a Rotax 912 ULS. His story is
attached on pdf file format.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Re: any subaru ea 81 piets? |
From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Hi Paul...Andrew Carter has one here in Australia. I have flown it with him and it was very nice to fly! Plenty of power and if I hadnt of committed to a Corvair already, I would be going down the EA81 road for sure! Have a look at Andrews site http://www.pietenpol.com.au/
Andrew is a very nice guy and knowledgeable with the setup so email him.
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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Subject: | Re: any subaru ea 81 piets? |
From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
thankyou, ill check out his site. paul
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Subject: | Re: any subaru ea 81 piets? |
From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
love your website scotty. i love to look at these various websites for ideas and
encouragement. thank you. paul
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Subject: | Re: any subaru ea 81 piets? |
From: | "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> |
Glad you like it Paul. Andrews EA81 has an Amax redrive on it if my memory serves
me correctly. All that info is on his site anyhow.
Scotty
--------
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair
engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: any subaru ea 81 piets? |
Wasn't that the engine that John Dilatush put in "Mountain Piet"? The one
that had a total power failure? Not too sure as that was several years ago.
Greg Bacon is rebuilding the airplane and might know what engine John had in
it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets?
Paul the only one I have knowledge of is one in the UK. He was not really
satisfied with it's performance and changed it out for a Rotax 912 ULS. His
story is attached on pdf file format.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: any subaru ea 81 piets? |
Close, but not an EA81. The engine in Mountain Piet is a turbocharged EA82.
He had two engine failures, both caused by an unsecured air connection on
the intake manifold.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 5:59 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets?
>
>
> Wasn't that the engine that John Dilatush put in "Mountain Piet"? The one
> that had a total power failure? Not too sure as that was several years
> ago.
> Greg Bacon is rebuilding the airplane and might know what engine John had
> in
> it.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Dotson
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:22 PM
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets?
>
>
>
> Paul the only one I have knowledge of is one in the UK. He was not really
> satisfied with it's performance and changed it out for a Rotax 912 ULS.
> His
> story is attached on pdf file format.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
> 21" wheels
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372930#372930
>
>
>
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Subject: | A great Piet day |
From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
Yesterday, I participated in a Young Eagles rally at South Boston, Va. 73 k
ids were flown, including 9 in my Piet. Mike Denton flew over in his Piet f
rom Clarksville and we had a good time comparing and contrasting. I admire
Mike's ability to work with what he had to produce an honest airplane. Hope
to see you again, Mike. Maybe we can put together a Piet flyin for those o
f us in Virginia and North Carolina.
After the Young Eagles rally, I flew down to Triangle North Airport near Lo
uisburg, NC and met Chuck Borsuk. Chuck is building a Piet in a hangar ther
e. Looks like most of his wood work is done and a lot of his steel fittings
. Very nice workmanship!
Great meeting both of you. One of the best things about the Pietenpol is th
e people you meet who are building or flying them.
Matt Paxton
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From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | any subaru ea 81 piets? |
At the risk of muddying the waters and stirring the pot with my cloudy memo
ry=2C I'll interject a comment about the last engine failure that John Dila
tush had in "Mountain Piet". I thought he told me that he overboosted the
engine and that's what led to the failure. I thought he said that he had t
he engine set up with completely manual control of turbo boost and on takeo
ff when a lot of things are going on=2C it spooled up and overboosted befor
e he could back off the manifold pressure.
John is a skilled pilot=2C talented builder=2C and an engineer (if memory s
erves). He preferred to have pilot control of turbo boost rather than a fi
xed waste-gate arrangement=2C and that's the builder's decision. My two ce
nts' worth=2C and maybe not even worth that.
There are still pictures of "Mountain Piet" on my website=2C including engi
ne pix=2C here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford/Ashland=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: any subaru ea 81 piets? |
From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
thanks oscar
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade tracking |
Being somewhat of a lazy sort about some things I've let my annual prop rel
ax-and-retorque of the bolts
go a few years and even more importantly had not balanced or tracked the pr
op in a while.
Last fall I was experiencing some vibrations that were a bit annoying in fl
ight so a few weeks ago I removed
my prop, sanded it all down and refinished it. Ala the Tony Bingelis book
s I balanced the prop with a simple
home made balancing tool and used appropriate amounts of clear spray lacque
r on the light blade (allowing it
to dry overnight) to get a perfect balance.
I tracked the prop with appropriate shims (brown grocery store bag folded b
ehind the prop works just fine) again
ala the Bingelis books and boy what a difference after it was all final tor
qued and done.
Smooth and silky on takeoff and in cruise. It really makes a huge differe
nce to take the time to balance, torque,
and track your wood prop on a regular basis. Metal props can benefit fro
m the same treatment but with the weather
extremes in temperature and humidity changes in Ohio wood props need a bit
more annual TLC. It paid off nicely.
Mike C.
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From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade tracking |
Beautiful, Mike.
How far off was the tracking? How close were you able to adjust it?
Greg Cardinal
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From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade
tracking
Being somewhat of a lazy sort about some things I've let my annual
prop relax-and-retorque of the bolts
go a few years and even more importantly had not balanced or tracked
the prop in a while.
Last fall I was experiencing some vibrations that were a bit annoying
in flight so a few weeks ago I removed
my prop, sanded it all down and refinished it. Ala the Tony Bingelis
books I balanced the prop with a simple
home made balancing tool and used appropriate amounts of clear spray
lacquer on the light blade (allowing it
to dry overnight) to get a perfect balance.
I tracked the prop with appropriate shims (brown grocery store bag
folded behind the prop works just fine) again
ala the Bingelis books and boy what a difference after it was all
final torqued and done.
Smooth and silky on takeoff and in cruise. It really makes a huge
difference to take the time to balance, torque,
and track your wood prop on a regular basis. Metal props can
benefit from the same treatment but with the weather
extremes in temperature and humidity changes in Ohio wood props need a
bit more annual TLC. It paid off nicely.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Brodhead Fly-in 2012 |
From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
I can't wait! The South-Central Scout Squadron is really starting to take shape!
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade tracking |
Greg- 9" from the tip my one blade was about 3/16" out of track. After I d
id several iterations
of tightening, shimming, loosening, repeat I was able to get the track with
in about 1/32" of an inch
which is the closest I've ever had it to true. The paperwork that came wi
th my prop said 1/16" was
acceptable.
Mike P. is right, the finish was horrible but I still decided to keep it an
d not give the prop away. It is my
air conditioning system too.
Mike C.
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
I agree with Jack in that flying cross country with another Piet is really,
really enjoyable. It makes the
time go by faster and makes for some really good memories.
Being out of the flying loop for a while I didn't realize how expensive av
gas has gotten. I flew to a nearby
field yesterday and took 9.1 gallons and it ran $53.24. That's about 2
hours of flying time. Still way cheaper
than a big engine airplane but way more expensive than it was even 5 years
ago.
I calculated that newly certified Piet using a 65 hp Continental burning 4.
3 gph would cost the owner/pilot
just over $1,000 just to fly off the 40 hours of test flying time. No won
der I don't see too many little airplanes
burning up the skies around here anymore.
In the big scheme of things though us open cockpit pilots north of the Maso
n Dixon only fly about 20-35 hours
per summer so that's not a lot of fuel money when you compare it with hanga
r rent and insurance, oil, and beer
and pizza thrown in.
Mike C.
PS- Was a fun flight last night. 9 minutes (non-stop, unrefueled) to Elyr
ia Airport then 6 minutes back. No inflight
meal service was provided.
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From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
Hey Michael, You only need 25 hrs with a certified engine like the cont 65.
=0ACheers, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFr
om: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" =0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0AS
ent: Tue, May 15, 2012 11:09:52 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: flying format
ion cross country and avgas prices=0A=0A=0A =0AI agree with Jack in that fl
ying cross country with another Piet is really, =0Areally enjoyable. It ma
kes the=0Atime go by faster and makes for some really good memories. =0A
=0ABeing out of the flying loop for a while I didn=99t realize how e
xpensive avgas =0Ahas gotten. I flew to a nearby=0Afield yesterday and too
k 9.1 gallons and it ran $53.24. That=99s about 2 hours =0Aof fly
ing time. Still way cheaper=0Athan a big engine airplane but way more exp
ensive than it was even 5 years ago. =0A =0AI calculated that newly certifi
ed Piet using a 65 hp Continental burning 4.3 gph =0Awould cost the owner/p
ilot=0Ajust over $1,000 just to fly off the 40 hours of test flying time.
No wonder I =0Adon=99t see too many little airplanes=0Aburning up th
e skies around here anymore. =0A =0AIn the big scheme of things though us o
pen cockpit pilots north of the Mason =0ADixon only fly about 20-35 hours
=0Aper summer so that=99s not a lot of fuel money when you compare it
with hangar =0Arent and insurance, oil, and beer=0Aand pizza thrown in.
=0A =0AMike C.=0A =0A =0APS- Was a fun flight last night. 9 minutes (non-
stop, unrefueled) to Elyria =0AAirport then 6 minutes back. No inflight
=0Ameal service was provided.
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Subject: | Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
I hadn't flown my Pietenpol since last October and have been waiting for
some decent weather and temperatures all spring. Finally, on Sunday the
thirteenth it was obviously a "Pietenpol evening" and we went flying. It
was great to be "back in the saddle" again after being restricted to
closed-cabin airplanes for so long.
I have been using regular unleaded auto fuel in the Piet for a long
time. I drained it and replaced it with 100LL avgas last fall because
auto fuel isn't very stable and over time can gum up the carburetor.
When I flew the Piet the other evening I noticed that the engine
(C85-12F) generally ran better on 100LL. With auto fuel, it always
tended to buck a bit when initially increasing revs through the 1000 -
1300 RPM range. Once the engine was thoroughly warmed up this phenomenon
disappeared and engine operation was normal. With 100LL there was no
roughness or hesitation at all, even when the engine was not completely
warmed up. Possibly others have notice the same thing when using auto
fuel. Now that auto fuel contains ethanol and the amount of this stuff
per gallon will likely increase, we may have some real problems. This
does not bode well for the future, in my humble opinion.
The main incentive for using auto fuel is price. In US gallons, regular
auto fuel here is about $4.50 (+) per gallon and 100LL avgas is about
$6.00 (+) per gallon, and the trend is upward. As Mike C. observed,
there are fewer little airplanes "burning up the skies", here in
Alberta, Canada as well as where he lives. Having been flying for over
61 years, I fear I have seen the best of it--but still hope I am wrong.
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
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From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Subject: | Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
Correct me if I am wrong. (It has been known to happen.) But just because it was
originally a certified aircraft engine like a Continental 65, does not mean
it remains certified unless all the work done to it was by a properly certificated
A & P and all the records therefor are still with the engine. Or is it that
it can be recertified by having an A & P log it as still to original specifications?
Tom Stinemetze
N328X (one of these days)
>>> airlion 5/15/2012 1:32 PM >>>
Hey Michael, You only need 25 hrs with a certified engine like the cont 65. Cheers,
Gardiner
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Subject: | Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
From: | "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net> |
I believe the prop also has to be certified for that engine to use the 25hr
rule.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:59 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
>
> Correct me if I am wrong. (It has been known to happen.) But just because
> it was originally a certified aircraft engine like a Continental 65, does
> not mean it remains certified unless all the work done to it was by a
> properly certificated A & P and all the records therefor are still with the
> engine. Or is it that it can be recertified by having an A & P log it as
> still to original specifications?
>
> Tom Stinemetze
> N328X (one of these days)
>
> >>> airlion 5/15/2012 1:32 PM >>>
> Hey Michael, You only need 25 hrs with a certified engine like the cont
> 65. Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
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From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Subject: | flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
But...If the Cont. 65 has ever been installed on a homebuilt before, it no
longer is a certified engine. I ran into this while installing a C-85 on my
J3 Cub. The engine had been on a flybaby for less than 10 hours (and it was
in the log book). So it had to be torn down and every part checked and
certified to make it a certified engine again and legal to install on the
Cub. After all, the insurance companies just love a screw-up like that so
they don't have to pay off in case of a claim. IOW, just because it looks
like a cont 65 does not mean that it is still certified.
Barry
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying formation cross country and avgas prices
Hey Michael, You only need 25 hrs with a certified engine like the cont 65.
Cheers, Gardiner
_____
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]"
Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 11:09:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying formation cross country and avgas prices
I agree with Jack in that flying cross country with another Piet is really,
really enjoyable. It makes the
time go by faster and makes for some really good memories.
Being out of the flying loop for a while I didn't realize how expensive
avgas has gotten. I flew to a nearby
field yesterday and took 9.1 gallons and it ran $53.24. That's about 2
hours of flying time. Still way cheaper
than a big engine airplane but way more expensive than it was even 5 years
ago.
I calculated that newly certified Piet using a 65 hp Continental burning 4.3
gph would cost the owner/pilot
just over $1,000 just to fly off the 40 hours of test flying time. No
wonder I don't see too many little airplanes
burning up the skies around here anymore.
In the big scheme of things though us open cockpit pilots north of the Mason
Dixon only fly about 20-35 hours
per summer so that's not a lot of fuel money when you compare it with hangar
rent and insurance, oil, and beer
and pizza thrown in.
Mike C.
PS- Was a fun flight last night. 9 minutes (non-stop, unrefueled) to
Elyria Airport then 6 minutes back. No inflight
meal service was provided.
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | certified engine/prop combination and avgas prices |
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From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
Graham=3B
I am very curious to know what carb you have on your C85. My A65 with Stro
mberg carb never did like auto gas as well as it did avgas=2C but the probl
em I had with it was dribbling from the carb and flooding when trying to st
art the engine using auto gas. I set up the float level very carefully=2C
but there seems to be just enough difference between the viscosity or speci
fic gravity of auto gas and avgas that the float level needs to be adjusted
ever so slightly differently when running one vs. the other. I have since
run the A65 and the A75 exclusively on 100LL but was thinking of trying au
to gas on the A75 in case it was just the Stromberg on the 65 that didn't l
ike auto gas. Cost of fuel is a minor factor=2C given the minimal number o
f hours that I fly=2C but convenience is another matter. There is not avga
s on the field at San Geronimo but there are gas stations up and down the h
ighway from the field and it's far easier to get 5 gallons of auto gas than
it is to fly to Castroville or Hondo to fuel up.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford/Ashland=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
From: | Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com> |
Speaking of Group flights to Broadhead. Is anyone considering making the
trip from the mountain West. I'm THINKING about making the trip, with a
probability less than 0.5. As long as I'm thinking, I thought I'd ask if
anyone was flying from out this way or would be interested in linking up on
the ground.
--
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
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Subject: | Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices |
Oscar;
The carburetor on my Piet's C85 is a Stromberg. It doesn't leak or
overflow with auto gas, but does seem to run a bit rich when starting
and warming up. Hence the roughness when increasing the revs through the
1000 to 1300 RPM range. Once it "clears its throat", so to speak, it
operates normally. The specific gravity of our auto gas seems to be
close to that of avgas and I use the specified float level for the
Stromberg carbs. Perhaps the SG of auto gas is variable according to
region and yours may differ from ours. I dunno. The addition of ethanol
may affect the SG, too.
My Wag-A-Bond's (Piper PA17 clone) A65 has a Stromberg carburetor and in
530 hours has never tasted avgas. I have been conducting an experiment
to see how an A65 would do using auto gas exclusively. So far, so good.
(It does exhibit the same behaviour as the C85 in the Pietenpol, but not
to the same degree.)
I agree with you in that the price difference between avgas and auto gas
is not too significant considering the amount of fuel we use and it is
often a matter of convenience when choosing one over the other. That
said, I hate auto gas because it smells bad and stinks up everything it
touches. Avgas has a pleasant odor; one of the smells that stimulate old
aviators to go flying.
Cheers,
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
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Subject: | Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75 |
Oscar Hi!
I use only Mogas (unleaded) in my Continental A75 with Stromberg Carb.
No problems with performance or odd behaviour.
I can and would use Avgas if that only available. ONly mixed the fuel on pick up
but no problems.
Regards
Gerry
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Subject: | Close to covering |
From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then fabric..
Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan for
$5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece..
been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges to tighten
things up..
Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks..
jeff faith
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Subject: | Close to covering |
Looks great Jeff.....How long did it take to build, it seems like only 6
months. :)
Brian
SLC-Ut
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Close to covering
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I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then
fabric..
Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap"
lexan for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece..
been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges
to tighten things up..
Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks..
jeff faith
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From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Close to covering |
1 foot wide may not be wide enough, and I don't think 5 feet will fit under
the wing unless you really lengthened your cabanes.
-
Just kidding ya, good to hear about all the progress you guys are making.
-
Shad
>
I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then fabri
c..
Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan
for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece..
been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges to
tighten things up..
Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks..
jeff faith
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From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Close to covering |
Uau!!! what a place!!!!! very nice squeleton, congratulations.
Mario Giacummo
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2012/5/16 bender
> jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
>
> I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then
> fabric..
> Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan
> for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece..
> been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges
> to tighten things up..
> Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks..
>
> jeff faith
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Close to covering |
From: | "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> |
i glued the first rib together on November 1st 2010.... so a year in a half in..
BTW its about 565 lbs right now
it is a nice place... i work on corporate jets for a living and they are nice
enough to let me use the space... that helps build time as its right there at
work when the jet is out i'm kinda free
jeff
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From: | "Bob edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net> |
We filled the gap to where we have 1/8/ inch gap.Is that enough or do we
need to seal it completely, if so what is the best way. We ordered new
bolts for the cabanes and wings and as soon as they arrive we can
install the center section and wings. Getting closer to final assembly.
Bob
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Close to covering |
Looking GREAT, Jeff!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Close to covering
I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then
fabric..
Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan
for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece..
been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges to
tighten things up..
Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks..
jeff faith
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From: | shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | NX92GB just broke 300 hrs |
Well I got the flying bug this evening after I got home from work, needed s
ome crosswind practice, and had 12-15 across the runway so I went.- I was
looking at the tach about 10 min into the flight and noticed 3 tenths more
is 300hrs.- So I flew down south at about a million mph, turned around a
nd was almost keeping pace with the cars below.- I tried to 'hover" over
the airport, but did not quite have the headwind (or horse power) to do it,
so I flew the traffic pattern, and came around for a one wheeler and put h
er away.- 300.0 hrs on the tach as she sits.- The house work ain't done
, but I needed the vacation.- Saturday morning is a pankake Breakfast ove
r in Delaware, OH-with Dad's EAA chapter-, so thats my only break for t
his weekend.- I might have to tell 'The Boss", I got lost on the way home
, and had to divert for a fuel stop if I get home a little later than plann
ed.- After that its back to the grunt work.-
-
p.s.-To any Ohio piets within 1 hrs flight time of DLZ, they have the bes
t-breakfst in town, at the airport, with airplanes, and they have coffee
too!
-
Shad
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From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
Jack used duct tape. I've got blue painters tape (still). Some strips of le
ather, pleather, or naugahyde rubber cemented in place will do the trick. A
nd yes, seal 'em tight - it makes a world of difference.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On May 16, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Bob edson" wrote:
> We filled the gap to where we have 1/8/ inch gap.Is that enough or do we n
eed to seal it completely, if so what is the best way. We ordered new bolts f
or the cabanes and wings and as soon as they arrive we can install the cente
r section and wings. Getting closer to final assembly. Bob
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Subject: | Re: NX92GB just broke 300 hrs |
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Subject: | Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75 |
From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Shad,
While doing the major on my Lycoming O-235 I disassembled the MA-3 carburetor
and put the black composite float and the rubber tipped needle in gas. I tested
to be sure it had ethanol. They were submerged in a sealed quart jar for about
9 months with no degrading. So I will not get heartburn over putting some ethanol
laced gas in my Piet.
Also for you guys building, ACS and MAC's Antique Auto Parts has a float unaffected
by ethanol. I bought mine from Mac's.
A9312FLM Model A Ford Gas Gauge Float - Modern Neoprene
Item Subtotal: $4.15
Estimated Shipping: $7.00
Minimum Order Fee: $2.00
Order Total: $13.15
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Great work Jeff!!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Stromberg Notes. |
Crew, if I may...
I just received last night a bunch of papers from Doc M. (BPA newsletter) a
bout Stromberg carbs.- There is some GREAT intell. in these papers.
Anyhoo, from what I remember, (I read through them once kinda fast)- orig
inal Strombergs used SS needles and sharp cornered, (the sealing edge, if y
ou will) brass seat.- Later came the noeprene tip SS needles that used a
rounded cornered seat. This combination at the time was the fix all to carb
. leaks. Having seen this, other companies jumped on the band wagon. These
copied needles were sub standard with machining, finish and type of tip use
d. Once the FAA approved auto fuel and the fuel found it's way into these c
arbs. the neoprene tipped needles started to fail, as described in another
post, by swelling.- The original, high quality neoprene tipped needles wo
rk fine with aircraft fuel only, but are getting harder to find and disting
uish from the "copies."- The rounded seat required for this needle accord
ing to what I read, is almost impossible to find.- Even so, these good ne
edles are very old and most have hardened and are brittle.
The solution next was the Delrin needle, which is impervious to both fuels
and their additives, if any.- This needle uses the sharp cornered seat li
ke the SS needles.- Problem now is this needle is light weight and a weig
ht needs to be added to the float arm to help seat the needle. I believe if
this mod is done, the carb. must be marked with a 1" dia. yellow dot. I am
sure someone here can reference this mod and post it.- Also, with this n
eedle being relatively soft, lapping the needled has proved difficult and s
ome have ruined them all together trying.
Most have kept, or have gone back to the SS needle and sharp cornered seat
as it can be used with any fuel and requires no mods to the float.- (I be
lieve this SS needle/brass seat combo. is what is readily available still.)
As Ryan mentioned in a previous post, lapping helps mate the sealing surfa
ces.
I have a NAS3B Stromberg as opposed to the NAS31A (I believe). I was surpri
sed to learn that there is a wide variety of these carbs. specifically asse
mbled with needles, jets, bleed holes, etc. for specific engines and fuel d
elivery systems. (gravity or pressure)- There are also mods made if these
are used in a tail dragger type planes. (They were not designed for tail d
raggers.)- I was also happy to find out from checking the numbers on my c
arb. that it is correct for my A-65. It currently has the original, not cop
ied, neoprene tipped needle and round cornered seat. It appears to be like
new, however, not knowing what types of fuels may or may not be readily ava
ilable, I plan to switch to the SS.
You can be assured I will be re-reading these documents over a few times an
d digging out the other intell. I have for the various mods, tips, tricks a
nd procedures.- I am curious to see how all this information compares and
how to apply it to my carb. rebuild...which I may start soon.
As I said, the above is what I remember reading from the very valuable docu
ments I received from Doc. He received them from yet another, whom I can't
remember his name.- Thanks to both of them for providing this information
!
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Stromberg Notes. |
An additional comment about lapping - an easy way to lap a needle valve seat
is to chuck the needle in your drillpress with the speed set as slow as it
can go. Smear some Crest toothpaste (the original type) on the valve seat
and with the needle turning slowly, use the drill press to push the needle
into the valve seat (hold the seat so it can't spin). The toothpaste has
enough abrasive in it to do a nice job of lapping the seat to get a good
seal with the needle.
That's how I did it when I overhauled my Stromberg and it has worked well.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Notes.
Crew, if I may...
I just received last night a bunch of papers from Doc M. (BPA newsletter)
about Stromberg carbs. There is some GREAT intell. in these papers.
Anyhoo, from what I remember, (I read through them once kinda fast)
original Strombergs used SS needles and sharp cornered, (the sealing edge,
if you will) brass seat. Later came the noeprene tip SS needles that used a
rounded cornered seat. This combination at the time was the fix all to carb.
leaks. Having seen this, other companies jumped on the band wagon. These
copied needles were sub standard with machining, finish and type of tip
used. Once the FAA approved auto fuel and the fuel found it's way into these
carbs. the neoprene tipped needles started to fail, as described in another
post, by swelling. The original, high quality neoprene tipped needles work
fine with aircraft fuel only, but are getting harder to find and distinguish
from the "copies." The rounded seat required for this needle according to
what I read, is almost impossible to find. Even so, these good needles are
very old and most have hardened and are brittle.
The solution next was the Delrin needle, which is impervious to both fuels
and their additives, if any. This needle uses the sharp cornered seat like
the SS needles. Problem now is this needle is light weight and a weight
needs to be added to the float arm to help seat the needle. I believe if
this mod is done, the carb. must be marked with a 1" dia. yellow dot. I am
sure someone here can reference this mod and post it. Also, with this
needle being relatively soft, lapping the needled has proved difficult and
some have ruined them all together trying.
Most have kept, or have gone back to the SS needle and sharp cornered seat
as it can be used with any fuel and requires no mods to the float. (I
believe this SS needle/brass seat combo. is what is readily available
still.) As Ryan mentioned in a previous post, lapping helps mate the sealing
surfaces.
I have a NAS3B Stromberg as opposed to the NAS31A (I believe). I was
surprised to learn that there is a wide variety of these carbs. specifically
assembled with needles, jets, bleed holes, etc. for specific engines and
fuel delivery systems. (gravity or pressure) There are also mods made if
these are used in a tail dragger type planes. (They were not designed for
tail draggers.) I was also happy to find out from checking the numbers on
my carb. that it is correct for my A-65. It currently has the original, not
copied, neoprene tipped needle and round cornered seat. It appears to be
like new, however, not knowing what types of fuels may or may not be readily
available, I plan to switch to the SS.
You can be assured I will be re-reading these documents over a few times and
digging out the other intell. I have for the various mods, tips, tricks and
procedures. I am curious to see how all this information compares and how
to apply it to my carb. rebuild...which I may start soon.
As I said, the above is what I remember reading from the very valuable
documents I received from Doc. He received them from yet another, whom I
can't remember his name. Thanks to both of them for providing this
information!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | steve(at)wotelectronics.com |
Subject: | Re: Stromberg Notes. |
Michael,
I'm not sure what document you are talking about, but I'd
guess there is a copy of it in my "archive" of all things small
Continental. Check the link below. I apologize for the sloppy
organization, I intend to improve that when I retire in 32 years:
http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/ [1]
One of these documents
probably has the information you are referring to. You may need to copy
& paste these links:
http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/Carburetor/Stromberg%20Needles%20and%20leaks.pdf
http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/Carburetor/Stromberg%20Fuel%20Level%20setting%20&%20tools.pdf
http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/Carburetor/Stromberg%20Fuel%20Level%20and%20Tools.pdf
http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/Carburetor/Fuel%20level%20tube%20Stromberg.pdf
http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/Carburetor/stromberg%20carb%20-%20float%20weight%20for%20delrin%20needle.pdf
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
On 2012-05-17 08:30, Michael Perez wrote:
>
Crew, if I may...
>
> I just received last night a bunch of papers from
Doc M. (BPA newsletter) about Stromberg carbs. There is some GREAT
intell. in these papers.
>
> Anyhoo, from what I remember, (I read
through them once kinda fast) original Strombergs used SS needles and
sharp cornered, (the sealing edge, if you will) brass seat. Later came
the noeprene tip SS needles that used a rounded cornered seat. This
combination at the time was the fix all to carb. leaks. Having seen
this, other companies jumped on the band wagon. These copied needles
were sub standard with machining, finish and type of tip used. Once the
FAA approved auto fuel and the fuel found it's way into these carbs. the
neoprene tipped needles started to fail, as described in another post,
by swelling. The original, high quality neoprene tipped needles work
fine with aircraft fuel only, but are getting harder to find and
distinguish from the "copies." The rounded seat required for this needle
according to what I read, is almost impossible to find. Even so, these
good needles are very old and most have hardened and are brittle.
>
>
The solution next was the Delrin needle, which is impervious to both
fuels and their additives, if any. This needle uses the sharp cornered
seat like the SS needles. Problem now is this needle is light weight and
a weight needs to be added to the float arm to help seat the needle. I
believe if this mod is done, the carb. must be marked with a 1" dia.
yellow dot. I am sure someone here can reference this mod and post it.
Also, with this needle being relatively soft, lapping the needled has
proved difficult and some have ruined them all together trying.
>
>
Most have kept, or have gone back to the SS needle and sharp cornered
seat as it can be used with any fuel and requires no mods to the float.
(I believe this SS needle/brass seat combo. is what is readily available
still.) As Ryan mentioned in a previous post, lapping helps mate the
sealing surfaces.
>
> I have a NAS3B Stromberg as opposed to the
NAS31A (I believe). I was surprised to learn that there is a wide
variety of these carbs. specifically assembled with needles, jets, bleed
holes, etc. for specific engines and fuel delivery systems. (gravity or
pressure) There are also mods made if these are used in a tail dragger
type planes. (They were not designed for tail draggers.) I was also
happy to find out from checking the numbers on my carb. that it is
correct for my A-65. It currently has the original, not copied, neoprene
tipped needle and round cornered seat. It appears to be like new,
however, not knowing what types of fuels may or may not be readily
available, I plan to switch to the SS.
>
> You can be assured I will be
re-reading these documents over a few times and digging out the other
intell. I have for the various mods, tips, tricks and procedures. I am
curious to see how all this information compares and how to apply it to
my carb. rebuild...which I may start soon.
>
> As I said, the above is
what I remember reading from the very valuable documents I received from
Doc. He received them from yet another, whom I can't remember his name.
Thanks to both of them for providing this information!
>
> Michael
Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION
Links:
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[1] http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Stromberg Notes. |
Hey Steve, the info you provide is great as well and I do have it. The papers I
received yesterday from Doc were written by Bob Kachergius.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Fly in Enid, OK.
Enid Woodring Regional Airport
May 19th, 2012
Military Appreciation Fly In
Please come and have breakfast with us!
Barnstormers will serve a buffet breakfast from 8-10am
There will be door prizes!!!
Identifier: KWDG Unicom: 122.95
Runways: 17/35 6,249 x 100 ft 13/31 3,149 x 108 ft
AWOS: 120.625 (580-237-1475)
Traffic Pattern: 17~left 35~right 13~left 31~right Elevation: 1167
KWDG Tower Frequency 118.90
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From: | "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> |
Subject: | Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75 |
My humble experience with fuel.
Lots of No Ethanol Auto fuel in Oklahoma.
Not any Ethanol Free Autofuel in Texas. Even for Boats or 4 wheelers. I have not
found any. Even in small towns. I have done several internet searches and have
never seen it in person.
Metroplexes with smog problems require Ethanol gas. I guess in Texas they dominate
the market so much that you can't get it otherwise. In NW Oklahoma most of
the Gas stations have signs that say "NO ETHANOL"or "Alcohol Free gas!"
We fly Mid grade or premium Autofuel in my buddies 1947 Aeronca Champ (A-65) and
in my 1948 Beech Bonanza (E-185-11). Though in Texas I use AVGAS in my Vtail.
The regular unleaded octane is 86 or 87 Octane. Both STCs call for 87 Octane.
I have noticed small problems when using the 87 Octane that disappear when I
use 89 or higher in my Bonanza.
OT For my Bonanza, I keep my right tank full of 100LL and run Autofuel in the other
tanks. Upon landing I run 100LL until I think it is all the way from the
tank and the Pressure Carb is full of it. 100LL is better for the rubber gaskets
in my Carb. Unleaded car fuel hardens these Expensive rubber parts. 100LL
is much more stable for storage. The Current Auto fuel formulas seem to turn to
varnish much faster than they did even 10 years ago. For long term storage,
I have had good success putting STABIL in my Old Suburbans when I have put them
in storage for months and even years.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75 |
From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Steve,
Not sure how up-to-date this information is, but it appears that there are some
locations in TX that sell ethanol-free gas;
http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=TX
BC
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Subject: | Capstrip vs Spar material |
From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I was told some time ago by ACS that capstrip is not required to meet the higher
standards of spar material. Some of the capstrip I received from them did not
meet the 6 annual rings per inch standard. I am about to place a wood order
with them and wish to include the wood required to make the aileron spars.
I believe I can get by with 1/2" by 2 1/2 stock. These dimension fall under
their capstrip pricing. If you go to 1/2 by 2 3/4 material you have to buy spar
stock.
The fact that the aileron spars are called spars, should I order spar material
for them?
--------
John
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Subject: | Re: Capstrip vs Spar material |
From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
No concern about what they call it.....it's aircraft grade spruce. Just
order what you need dimensionally, regardless of how they categorize it....
Ryan
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Kringle wrote:
>
> I was told some time ago by ACS that capstrip is not required to meet the
> higher standards of spar material. Some of the capstrip I received from
> them did not meet the 6 annual rings per inch standard. I am about to
> place a wood order with them and wish to include the wood required to mak
e
> the aileron spars. I believe I can get by with 1/2" by 2 1/2=94 stock.
> These dimension fall under their capstrip pricing. If you go to 1/2 by
2
> 3/4 material you have to buy spar stock.
>
> The fact that the aileron spars are called spars, should I order spar
> material for them?
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373278#373278
>
>
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>
>
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Subject: | Re: Capstrip vs Spar material |
From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I called again today and the gal says the spar material is of higher grade but
she transferred me to the wood department and the gentleman there says its all
cut from the same aircraft grade spruce. Good enough for now and I will order
the capstrip. I will check it though when I get it :)
--------
John Francis
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From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: Capstrip vs Spar material |
There is not nearly as much stress on the ailerons as there is on the wing
spars. I see no need to use spar stock for the ailerons. I didn't. Hope
my ailerons pass inspection. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Capstrip vs Spar material
>
> I was told some time ago by ACS that capstrip is not required to meet the
> higher standards of spar material. Some of the capstrip I received from
> them did not meet the 6 annual rings per inch standard. I am about to
> place a wood order with them and wish to include the wood required to make
> the aileron spars. I believe I can get by with 1/2" by 2 1/2? stock.
> These dimension fall under their capstrip pricing. If you go to 1/2 by 2
> 3/4 material you have to buy spar stock.
>
> The fact that the aileron spars are called spars, should I order spar
> material for them?
>
> --------
> John
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373278#373278
>
>
>
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From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
No worst for the wear>>>>>>>>>>>
--------
Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
I am really curious how you got the camera that far outside the fuselage while
you were flying. NICE SHOT!
Stinemetze
>>> "pineymb" 5/18/2012 2:46 PM >>>
No worst for the wear>>>>>>>>>>>
--------
Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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Subject: | Re: Capstrip vs Spar material |
From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Emailed response from ACS about spar and capstrip material.
John,
Both capstrip and spares are milled from grade A aircraft quality Sitka spruce.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Josh Solis
--------
John Francis
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From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
Thanx...as luck would have it a local news reporter was at the field with a kickass
camera.
--------
Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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Subject: | Re: Capstrip vs Spar material |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Charles, your airplane will pass inspection. Since it is a homebuilt, you c
an make it from anything you want. The inspector only really cares about th
e paperwork.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: C N Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Sent: Fri, May 18, 2012 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Capstrip vs Spar material
.net>
There is not nearly as much stress on the ailerons as there is on the wing
pars. I see no need to use spar stock for the ailerons. I didn't. Hope
y ailerons pass inspection. C
---- Original Message -----
rom: "Kringle"
o:
ent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:44 AM
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Capstrip vs Spar material
I was told some time ago by ACS that capstrip is not required to meet the
higher standards of spar material. Some of the capstrip I received from
them did not meet the 6 annual rings per inch standard. I am about to
place a wood order with them and wish to include the wood required to make
the aileron spars. I believe I can get by with 1/2" by 2 1/2=C3=A2?=C2=9D
stock.
These dimension fall under their capstrip pricing. If you go to 1/2 by 2
3/4 material you have to buy spar stock.
The fact that the aileron spars are called spars, should I order spar
material for them?
--------
John
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Subject: | Douglas Fir for Tail Feathers Available |
From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Hello anyone on the east coast who's in need of tail feathers.
I have a complete set of Douglas Fir pieces already cut/beveled/glued to size for
tail feathers. If anyone needs a serious head start on tail feathers, the
pile o wood would cost $40 plus another $5 if you want the two ash pieces for
the floor braces. The fir has at least 10 growth rings per inch, no knots or pitch
pockets and is well within the "straightness" criteria of AC 43-13.
My wife will be driving our truck from here in Naples, FL to Belfast, ME starting
probably this next Tuesday (22 May) mostly taking I-95 though there is a decent
probability she'll take I-26 to I-77 to I-81 to I-84 to BOS to avoid the
DCA/PHL/LGA traffic mess. About 100 miles farther but waaay less headache.
Let me know off-line if you're interested.
Dave Aldrich
dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com
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From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
I also have enough 1/2 x 1/4 Douglas Fir to do an entire set of ribs. See post
on tail feathers for further info.
Dave
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From: | "woodflier(at)aol.com" <woodflier(at)aol.com> |
Subject: | Re: Doug fir tail feathers |
Dave, I wish we were going to be home. My Piet is hangared about 5 miles off
I-81 in VA at Exit 180. Let me know next trip if you're passing through
again.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
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Subject: | Re: Rib Cap Strip |
From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Sold.
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Subject: | Re: Douglas Fir for Tail Feathers Available |
From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
Sold
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Subject: | Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb |
From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Hello good Piet-ple...
Been making progress on the turtle deck and thought I'd share some images.......
A few observations:
==> It turned out 3.5 lb
==> I do not have a "helmet box" per plans as I am trying to add as little weight
as possible aft of the CG
==> The 1/16 plywood didn't bend around the contour as well as I had thought -
so I had to soak it in my bathtub overnight to get it to form. (I let it dry
clamped in position before I glued it.)
==> The 1/4 inch dowels are glued "1/2 way" into each stringer to stabilize the
stringers when I cover the turtle deck with fabric.
==> I glued up the assembly, trimmed, sanded, and then added/glued and trimmed
the "bubinga" veneer. I have since routed the slots for the pilot's shoulder
harness straps.
==> Having a good time...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
Subject: | Re: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb |
Hi Jake,
Looking good. I want to lobby you for the helmet box. I don't have one
on 502Rocket and it is a pain. People don't think the box is very useful
but when you don't have anyplace to put even a quart of oil (which I put
next to me on the seat now) it comes in handy. Plus it gives you a place
to put stuff while you are on the ground at a flyin (for those out of
sight out of mind moments) like your handheld or portable gps. I really
wish I did have one.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On May 21, 2012, at 2:38 PM, aerocarjake wrote:
>
> Hello good Piet-ple...
>
> Been making progress on the turtle deck and thought I'd share some
images.......
>
> A few observations:
>
> ==> It turned out 3.5 lb
>
> ==> I do not have a "helmet box" per plans as I am trying to add
as little weight as possible aft of the CG
>
> ==> The 1/16 plywood didn't bend around the contour as well as I
had thought - so I had to soak it in my bathtub overnight to get it to
form. (I let it dry clamped in position before I glued it.)
>
> ==> The 1/4 inch dowels are glued "1/2 way" into each stringer to
stabilize the stringers when I cover the turtle deck with fabric.
>
> ==> I glued up the assembly, trimmed, sanded, and then
added/glued and trimmed the "bubinga" veneer. I have since routed the
slots for the pilot's shoulder harness straps.
>
> ==> Having a good time...
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373501#373501
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/underside_585.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_turtle_deck_348.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_turtle_deck_883.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_turtle_deck_169.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_turtle_deck_191.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_turtle_deck_440.jpg
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb |
From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for the input John.... I am incorporating a storage area forward of the
passenger seat. I will have no pax instruments so am using that area as a glove
compartment - so to speak. (I've incorporated "modern" hidden cabinet hinges
to hide the mechanism.)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb |
From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Jake perfection, as usual...
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On May 21, 2012, at 2:38 PM, "aerocarjake" wrote:
>
> Hello good Piet-ple...
>
> Been making progress on the turtle deck and thought I'd share some images.......
>
> A few observations:
>
> ==> It turned out 3.5 lb
>
> ==> I do not have a "helmet box" per plans as I am trying to add as little weight
as possible aft of the CG
>
> ==> The 1/16 plywood didn't bend around the contour as well as I had thought
- so I had to soak it in my bathtub overnight to get it to form. (I let it dry
clamped in position before I glued it.)
>
> ==> The 1/4 inch dowels are glued "1/2 way" into each stringer to stabilize
the stringers when I cover the turtle deck with fabric.
>
> ==> I glued up the assembly, trimmed, sanded, and then added/glued and trimmed
the "bubinga" veneer. I have since routed the slots for the pilot's shoulder
harness straps.
>
> ==> Having a good time...
>
> --------
> Jake Schultz - curator,
> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373501#373501
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/underside_585.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_turtle_deck_348.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_turtle_deck_883.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_turtle_deck_169.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_turtle_deck_191.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_turtle_deck_440.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb |
From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Ha, yep... genuine AN cabinet hardware from Home Depot(!)
I spent quite a long time in their hardware aisle looking for hinges that would
work for this situation. I want my Piet to LOOK old but have some of the conveniences
of today.
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb |
I=92ll echo what John said. I have a helmet box on mine, made from
1/16=94
birch plywood on the top, =BC=94 plywood for the sides and bottom,
routed out to
save weight, with a little fiberglass reinforcement so it weighs very
little
but is a huge help in keeping things that you will need. In it when
parked
at a fly-in I can keep both flying helmets and two sets of goggles, my
GPS,
a few essential tools and a couple of granola bars, as well as a couple
of
sectional charts. I use it nearly every time I fly. Here are a couple
of
pics of it:
Your tutledeck is looking great. You are going to have a very nice
Pietenpol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hofmann
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb
Hi Jake,
Looking good. I want to lobby you for the helmet box. I don't have one
on
502Rocket and it is a pain. People don't think the box is very useful
but
when you don't have anyplace to put even a quart of oil (which I put
next to
me on the seat now) it comes in handy. Plus it gives you a place to put
stuff while you are on the ground at a flyin (for those out of sight out
of
mind moments) like your handheld or portable gps. I really wish I did
have
one.
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On May 21, 2012, at 2:38 PM, aerocarjake wrote:
Hello good Piet-ple...
Been making progress on the turtle deck and thought I'd share some
images.......
A few observations:
==> It turned out 3.5 lb
==> I do not have a "helmet box" per plans as I am trying to add as
little
weight as possible aft of the CG
==> The 1/16 plywood didn't bend around the contour as well as I
had
thought - so I had to soak it in my bathtub overnight to get it to form.
(I
let it dry clamped in position before I glued it.)
==> The 1/4 inch dowels are glued "1/2 way" into each stringer to
stabilize
the stringers when I cover the turtle deck with fabric.
==> I glued up the assembly, trimmed, sanded, and then added/glued
and
trimmed the "bubinga" veneer. I have since routed the slots for the
pilot's
shoulder harness straps.
==> Having a good time...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373501#373501
Attachments:
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_turtle_deck_348.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_turtle_deck_883.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_turtle_deck_169.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_turtle_deck_191.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_turtle_deck_440.jpg
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From: | "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com> |
Subject: | Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb |
Jake I made the mistake of adding extra stringers for what I hope will
improve the decks appearance. I just weighed mine and it is 5 pounds.
http://textors.com/IMG_4220_640x427.jpg
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 2:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb
Hello good Piet-ple...
Been making progress on the turtle deck and thought I'd share some
images.......
A few observations:
==> It turned out 3.5 lb
==> I do not have a "helmet box" per plans as I am trying to add as little
weight as possible aft of the CG
==> The 1/16 plywood didn't bend around the contour as well as I had
thought - so I had to soak it in my bathtub overnight to get it to form. (I
let it dry clamped in position before I glued it.)
==> The 1/4 inch dowels are glued "1/2 way" into each stringer to stabilize
the stringers when I cover the turtle deck with fabric.
==> I glued up the assembly, trimmed, sanded, and then added/glued and
trimmed the "bubinga" veneer. I have since routed the slots for the pilot's
shoulder harness straps.
==> Having a good time...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373501#373501
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_turtle_deck_348.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_turtle_deck_883.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_turtle_deck_169.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_turtle_deck_191.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_turtle_deck_440.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
Jake,
I vote for the helmet box. I wish I had made mine bigger, but was constrai
ned by being a purist, so I had to stick to the plans.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN.
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Subject: | Re: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb |
From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for all the comments...
I will consider revising it to add a box - we'll see.....
So many tradeoffs (!)....... Thx again......
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | thinking outside the hatbox....... |
I couldn't see any reason to build a hatbox when all of that area under the
turtledeck
behind the pilot seat was screaming perfectly good storage space.
I decided to glue a 1/16" thick piece of birch plywood back there as a floo
r using the
existing diagonal piece of spruce as a support for the floor. My sketch s
hows the plywood
on top of the longerons but actually it is below the longerons. (never did
excel in art)
You have to be judicious in how much weigh you put back there of course but
you can really
pack a lot of items back there as long as they aren't lead bricks;)
Knowing Jake's ingenuity I would bet he could install some kind of 'lowerin
g floor' device
to use that area behind his wicker seat and still keep the look of a solid
wood turtledeck covering.
Of course there is always Velcro...........!
Mike C.
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | photo inside the backseat storage area |
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Subject: | Review Property! |
From: | sncliffe(at)aol.com |
I have some Properties for Review i would want you to check them out, CLICK
HERE and log in with
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Thanks Nick
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From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Subject: | Re: thinking outside the hatbox....... |
Mike:
I am doing something very similar in that I put a floor in all the way
back to the first former. I covered the bottom of that floor with tin
foil which became the ground plane for my radio antenna. My question is
this: Do you have to have something on the sides to prevent the "hats"
in the hat box from poking into the side fabric or do the turtledeck
formers take care of this?
You can see my floor with the radio antenna in this photo. Sorry,
that's the best one I have available at the office. Just ignore the man
behind the curtain.
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
>>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]"
5/22/2012 2:56 PM >>>
I couldnt see any reason to build a hatbox when all of that area
under the turtledeck
behind the pilot seat was screaming perfectly good storage space.
I decided to glue a 1/16 thick piece of birch plywood back there as
a floor using the
existing diagonal piece of spruce as a support for the floor. My
sketch shows the plywood
on top of the longerons but actually it is below the longerons. (never
did excel in art)
You have to be judicious in how much weigh you put back there of course
but you can really
pack a lot of items back there as long as they arent lead bricks;)
Knowing Jakes ingenuity I would bet he could install some kind of
lowering floor device
to use that area behind his wicker seat and still keep the look of a
solid wood turtledeck covering.
Of course there is always Velcro..!
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: photo inside the backseat storage area |
From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Having that much extra storage space does seem very appealing... Thx Mike...
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | thinking outside the hatbox....... |
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From: | "Bob edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net> |
Subject: | NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN |
Assembled again,ready for inspection. It is in my sons shop for
inspection then we will move it to the airport. It is on the heavy side
at 805 pounds and weight and ballance is within range. It has a
continental 0-200 so 100 hp should handle it good.We are pleased with
it. Life is good. Bob
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Subject: | pic of a real jenny seat |
From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
was in seattle last week and went to the boeing plant. highly recommend the place.
anywho, if someone wanted to copy a Jenny seat, this is it. Paul
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Subject: | Re: NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN |
From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
The Piet looks great. I like the colors. I hope to get mine inspected soon. Mine
came in at 810 with the O-235 Lycoming. Just thinking we may get 4 or 5 Piets
in the air this year.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Re: pic of a real jenny seat |
From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
sorry, museum, not plant. very cool place.paul
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Subject: | Re: NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN |
From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Just wow!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN |
Beautiful Bob!
Where did the extra weight come from?
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob edson
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN
Assembled again,ready for inspection. It is in my sons shop for
inspection then we will move it to the airport. It is on the heavy side
at 805 pounds and weight and ballance is within range. It has a
continental 0-200 so 100 hp should handle it good.We are pleased with
it. Life is good. Bob
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From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
Subject: | Tailwheel endorsement |
Pieters,
In order to obtain a tailwheel endorsement, do you have to log some minimum number
of hours in a taildragger or do you just need to be able to demonstrate capability
to an examiner before he signs you off?
Thanks,
John Franklin
Prairie Aire 4TA0
GN-1 / Corvair
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From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Tailwheel endorsement |
John, Are you located in Canada or the USA?
-----Original Message-----
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:00:55
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement
Pieters,
In order to obtain a tailwheel endorsement, do you have to log some minimum number
of hours in a taildragger or do you just need to be able to demonstrate capability
to an examiner before he signs you off?
Thanks,
John Franklin
Prairie Aire 4TA0
GN-1 / Corvair
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Subject: | First flight with new Cloudcars Prop |
From: | "Dale McCleskey" <dale.mccleskey(at)lifeway.com> |
Wow. I took N7035N for my first flight of the year with my new Cloudcars prop last
night. Simply incredible. I didn't have a passenger for weight nor a stop
watch so I don't have any specs, but it definitely climbs like a homesick angel.
But the beautiful surprises were smoothness and cruise speed. I've picked up
at least 5 mph (from 65 to 70 mph) on cruise with a bit lower power setting
(about 2050 yo 2100 rpm). And I didn't even realize my Sensenich prop was out
of balance until I felt the smooth power with the new prop.
To say I am elated is beyond understatement. BTW, I had a hard time finding Cloudcars
(thanks Jack for sending me the address last fall). So if anybody wants
to contact them, their email adress is: "Jay & Carmen"
See mu big grin: ;o)
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Dale McCleskey
N7035N
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From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Tailwheel endorsement |
John,=0A-=0AAn CFI can sign you off after demonstrating capability=0A-
=0AFlight schools usually mandate a minimum amount of hours as dictated by
their insurance provider.=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A =0A
=0A________________________________=0A From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.
com>=0ATo: Piet_List =0ASent: Wednesday, May
23, 2012 7:00 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement=0A =0A-
=0APieters,=0A=0AIn order to obtain a tailwheel endorsement, do you have to
log some minimum number of hours in a taildragger or do you just need to b
e able to demonstrate capability to an examiner before he signs you off?=0A
=0AThanks,=0AJohn Franklin=0APrairie Aire 4TA0=0AGN-1 / Corvair=0A=0A______
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- - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
Subject: | Re: Tailwheel endorsement |
Scott, I'm in the US...
Thanks,
JF
-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: May 23, 2012 7:46 AM
>To: John Franklin , "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com "
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement
>
>
>John, Are you located in Canada or the USA?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
>Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:00:55
>To:
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement
>
>
>Pieters,
>
>In order to obtain a tailwheel endorsement, do you have to log some minimum number
of hours in a taildragger or do you just need to be able to demonstrate capability
to an examiner before he signs you off?
>
>Thanks,
>John Franklin
>Prairie Aire 4TA0
>GN-1 / Corvair
>
>________________________________________
>
>
________________________________________
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | FAA's word on tailwheel endorsements and grandfather clause |
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From: | "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Tailwheel endorsement |
Ha! I liked your first answer better. I do Tailwheel conversions here in the
republic of Canada. It isn't a rating here... Just a proficiency check and usually
only for insurance purposes. I'm sure other folks on the list from the
US can answer your question.
Regards,
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:16:44
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement
Scott, I'm in the US...
Thanks,
JF
-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
>Sent: May 23, 2012 7:46 AM
>To: John Franklin , "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com "
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement
>
>
>John, Are you located in Canada or the USA?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
>Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:00:55
>To:
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement
>
>
>Pieters,
>
>In order to obtain a tailwheel endorsement, do you have to log some minimum number
of hours in a taildragger or do you just need to be able to demonstrate capability
to an examiner before he signs you off?
>
>Thanks,
>John Franklin
>Prairie Aire 4TA0
>GN-1 / Corvair
>
>________________________________________
>
>
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From: | "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net> |
Subject: | Re: NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN |
Beautiful Piet Bob , I was a bit distracted by the canoe hanging on the
wall. Did you build that also? Thats a piece of art.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob edson
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN
Assembled again,ready for inspection. It is in my sons shop for
inspection then we will move it to the airport. It is on the heavy side
at 805 pounds and weight and ballance is within range. It has a
continental 0-200 so 100 hp should handle it good.We are pleased with
it. Life is good. Bob
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From: | "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com> |
I could use some helpful hints on cutting control cables and being able
to insert them into splicing sleeves. I checked my blood twice getting
one done today. There has got to be a better way.
Ralph in South Dakota
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Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
I tried a variety of approaches that led to dismal results. One day I
was in one of our local bicycle shops. I found there a very nice
cable cutting set of pliers that make beautiful cuts easily and
quickly. They were also cheap -- because airplane was nowhere in
their name.
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Ralph wrote:
> I could use some helpful hints on cutting control cables and being able to
> insert them into splicing sleeves. I checked my blood twice getting one
> done today. There has got to be a better way.
>
> Ralph in South Dakota
>
>
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Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
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Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
From: | Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com> |
Jim's method would work -- and might even be combined with vacuum
bagging. Or the cable cutters sold at bicycle stores everywhere will
snip right through the cable. No prep work required, just a perfectly
squared-off end with no little wires to draw blood from your finger
tips.
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Jim Markle wrote:
> Slip a 1" Long piece of heat shrink tubing over the cable. Shrink it with a
> heat gun. Use a small cutoff disk (mounted in a dremel) to cut through both
> the heat shrink and cable at the same time. Make the cut at the 1/2" point
> on the 1" piece of heat shrink tubing.
> The heat shrink tubing will keep the strands together during the cut and
> insertion into the sleeves.
>
>
> Sent via smartphone....so please ignore my bad speling....
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable cutting
> From: Ralph <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com>
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
> CC:
>
>
> I could use some helpful hints on cutting control cables and being able to
> insert them into splicing sleeves. I checked my blood twice getting one
> done today. There has got to be a better way.
>
> Ralph in South Dakota
>
>
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Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
What worked best for me was to sharpen a chisel on my grinding wheel. I then placed
the cable of a piece of flat steel and sheared it with the chisel and a
hammer. Nice clean cut but you will have to sharpen the chisel after about
two cuts. I believe this was in the the Tony Bingeles books.
--------
John Francis
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
I just wrapped the area of the cut with masking tape then cut it with a cold
chisel, a hammer and an anvil. I used a cheap harbor freight anvil because
the chisel will cut into the anvil and ruin a proper anvil, so I bought a
small one that is used for nothing but cutting cable.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable cutting
I could use some helpful hints on cutting control cables and being able to
insert them into splicing sleeves. I checked my blood twice getting one
done today. There has got to be a better way.
Ralph in South Dakota
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Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
From: | "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com> |
If you wrap with only one tight wrap of masking tape then cut, you can usually
get the end of the cable through the sleeve with the masking tape still on there.
Makes for a much happier time.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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From: | "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> |
Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
The absolutely best way is to cut the cable with a small Dremel tool
with a cutoff wheel. I wrap the cable with a couple of layers of
masking tape to keep the cable ends from fraying. If you're cutting
after the sleeve is installed and crimped, use a thin piece of stainless
steel between the cables to prevent nicking the opposite cable. Leeve
at least 1/8-inch beyond the sleeve. C
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable cutting
I could use some helpful hints on cutting control cables and being
able to insert them into splicing sleeves. I checked my blood twice
getting one done today. There has got to be a better way.
Ralph in South Dakota
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Subject: | aileron quick disconnect |
From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
I read somewhere about how the brits have a aileron quick disconnect system to
ease in removing wings. anyone know where i can get the plans for it? Thanks;
Paul
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Subject: | Covering problem? |
From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
I am covering my tail feathers at the moment with SS. everything was going great
until the application of the ecofill. The problem i ran into is ecofill saturating
the fabric and building up on the structure underneath the fabric. Now
that its dry, as i try sanding the surface i run into these clumps of primer just
underneath the fabric stuck to the wood structure and i almost sand thru the
fabric instantly! Anybody else run into this? I was thinking of taking the
small iron and try to mash it flat but im afraid the fabric will stick.....obviously
i put the ecofill on too thick.........it sure didnt seem like it when
i was doing it though.
--------
NX321LR
Fully Assembled less covering
Mistubishi Powered
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Covering problem? |
Chris, I only used the Ekobond, what is the Ekofill used for? Or more pertinent,
what are you using the Ekofill for?
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
Ralph:
Without spending the big bucks for a cable cutter, here is a way that works well
and utilizes items that you probably already have around the shop.
You need a roll of masking tape, hammer, metal chisel, and a metal plate.
Put a small piece of masking tape around the cable with the center of the cut being
in the center of the tape wrap. There should be only one thickness of tape
since you will be leaving it on until the nicopress sleeves have been put on
and more than one layer of tape will make the cable too big.
Sharpen the chisel but don't overdo it. You just want to get rid of any rounding
on the cutting edge.
Position the cable across the metal plate (mine is about 4" x 6" x one quarter
inch thick) making sure the plate is on a secure solid surface and the masking
tape is in the center of the plate. Hold the cable in place with the sharp edge
of the chisel in the center of the tape and strike a single solid blow.
The cable should part cleanly with the tape still in place and protecting both
cut ends.
Now put your heat shrink tubing and nicopress sleeve(s) on over the tape, loop
the cable and run it back through the other side of the sleeve and you are ready
to squeeze. Note that you want to take the tape off before squeezing so it
does not end up inside the sleeve.
Hope this works for you.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> "Ralph" 5/23/2012 6:46 PM >>>
I could use some helpful hints on cutting control cables and being able to insert
them into splicing sleeves. I checked my blood twice getting one done today.
There has got to be a better way.
Ralph in South Dakota
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
I agree with using a nice pair of cable cutters. The straight cutting "dyke
s" as they were once called, will work OK, but the cutters designed for cab
les will have curved, on the inside, blades. This introduces a slicing moti
on which helps provide a clean, effortless cut.- No prep. needed before o
r after.
My second suggestion...gloves.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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Subject: | Re: Covering problem? |
From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Ekofill is the UV protectant/weave fill & primer.
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled less covering
Mistubishi Powered
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: Covering problem? |
I see. If you are using Stewart's entire system, I would contact them direc
tly.- Do you have their manual? (Download from their website.)- It cove
rs how to use and apply their products.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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From: | "H. Marvin Haught" <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net> |
Subject: | Re: Covering problem? |
Gentlemen --
The EkoFill is used as the filler and is the UV Block. It the the
fabric "primer". Putting on the EkoFill too thick and / or brushing too
hard forces the material through the fabric causing drips on the back
side of the fabric that does what Chris described. I can provide your
with a set of the DVD's explaining the proper method of application and
can walk you through the process too, if needed. It also sounds like
Chris may not have made sure the EkoFill was mixed throughly.
The EkoFill should be applied to the damp fabric, just after washing it
with the EkoClean high strength cleaner. Wipe down the fabric with a
"virgin" (brand new) cotton towel from Costco or SSam's Club (buy in a
bundle) soaked with the EkoFill. Scrub the surface of the fabric to
remove all dirt and grease (oil from hands, dust etc.) with the
EkoClean soaked cloth, turning the cloth often to a fresh surface. Wash
out the cloth frequently in the EkoClean solution and wring out well,
Then go back, again with a "virgin towel" using fresh clean water to
"rinse" the surface, again turning the towel often, rinsing out the
towel and wringing dry. It is important to the EkoFill application that
you leave the surface of the fabric damp - not wet and dripping, but
just slightly damp. This step helps the EkoFill wick between the fibers
to bond and encapulsate the weave.
Do small areas at a time so that the surface does not dry out before you
get to it to apply the EkoFill. Apply the Ekofill with a 3 inch foam
brush (you can use a foam roller on large surface but that is another
technique). Wipe the brush off on the edge of the container so that it
is not dripping and brush on to the surface of the fabric with light
strokes, going in one direction. Go back over the coat constantly with
a "dry" brush tipping out all bubbles and making the product as smooth
as you can. Tipping is using just the tip of the foam brush very
lightly to smooth out any bubbles and even out the coating. A very
light touch is necessary, especially on the first coat, to prevent drip
and pressing the Ekofill through the fabric.
Let dry and repeat the process making your brush strokes 90 degrees to
the first coat. Do NOT sand these first two coats as you do not have
enough build up on the fabric to be sanding. Once those are dry, you
need to spray two cross coats of Eko Fill. You can sand between these
cross coats using a scotchbright pad to just remove the nibs and dust
particles, if you have done a good job of applying the EkoFill smoothly.
Just be careful to not sand through to the fabric and stay off of the
pinked edges of the tapes. You will need to keep ironing down the
pinked edges between each coat using a piece of teflon or a piece of a
turkey basting bag to keep the EkoFill from sticking to the iron.
Chris, you may need to cut that fabric off and reapply, depending upon
how bad the mess is. Your call.
I am attaching my answer to a couple of questions I had from a customer
that may provide some other useful information.
M. Haught
Aircraft Fabric and Finishes LLC
On May 24, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Chris, I only used the Ekobond, what is the Ekofill used for? Or more
pertinent, what are you using the Ekofill for?
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
>
>
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
I would think that if one were to ask around, one could borrow a cutter fro
m another aircraft- person or eaa chapter...
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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From: | Dan Loegering <dan.loegering(at)odaytank.com> |
Subject: | Tailwheel endorsement |
John,
As others have mentioned, the FAA does not have a minimum hour requirement for
the endorsement. However, your insurance company may. I recently purchased a
C-140 for the purposes of getting my TW endorsement, and I was required to have
20 hours of dual! The TW portion only took about 4-5 hours before I was comfortable.
Then we spent the remaining 15 visiting all of the airports within
a 60 mile radius to burn up the time.
I could have obtained the endorsement in the Piet, but it is a couple of years
from being finished, and the wife said "sure" when I off hand asked if I could
buy the Cessna. I wasn't going to pass up that opportunity ;-)
Dan Loegering
Fargo, ND
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement
Pieters,
In order to obtain a tailwheel endorsement, do you have to log some minimum number
of hours in a taildragger or do you just need to be able to demonstrate capability
to an examiner before he signs you off?
Thanks,
John Franklin
Prairie Aire 4TA0
GN-1 / Corvair
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: | Re: Covering problem? |
From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
Looks like i missed the wetting step..........I went right to applying the ekofill.
After reading your attachment, i went WAY too heavy cause i can see brush
strokes. I think the parts are savable cause you only feel the globs if you push
on the fabric, you cant see them otherwise. What will happen if i use a piece
of teflon fabric and push on the iron over the clumps? I would think it would
melt the primer clump and flatten it. I really do not want to recover.......i
did a really good job on the taping.
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Fully Assembled less covering
Mistubishi Powered
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From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
Hi Ralph,
Use a cold chisel and lay the cable on a piece of steel; put the chisel on it and
hit it with a hammer. Works great and leaves a clean end that fits into the
copper sleeves well. Thats how I did mine.
Cheers,
Jim
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Subject: | Re: Covering problem? |
From: | "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com> |
here are some pics
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Fully Assembled less covering
Mistubishi Powered
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Subject: | Layout table extra long 13 Ft + |
From: | "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com> |
Father's day At Palmyra WI 88C Pancake breakfast, Plus amazing Hanger sales,
Looking for something? Email me and ask,
Pieti Lowell
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From: | Joe Street <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca> |
Subject: | Eyebrow template |
Hello all
I am new here and a new owner of a Pietenpol. I took a look in the
archives and found some messages relating to patterns for the eyebrow
cowls for the A65 engine but never found a link or pdf file with the
actual patterns. Does anybody have them?
Thanks
Joe
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Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
From: | "Larry V" <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Ralph
I am using a pair of cable cutters I purchased from aircraft spruce
S & F CABLE CUTTERS #316 part # 12-18600 $19.75
I wrap the cable with a tight wrap of masking tape cut through the tape and cable,
fits through sleeve nicely after cut.
Larry V
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Subject: | Re: aileron quick disconnect |
From: | "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com> |
I used some simple side plates like a master link with clevis pins through them.popped
the other side on and cotter pins through the clevis pins.actually even
went to the trouble of drilling out 1/4" stainless tubing to slip over the clevis
pins and cut them just long enough to sleeve the pins and give enough clearance
between the plates they don't bind the thimbles. probably overkill. Raymond
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Subject: | anticipated cruise? |
From: | "rorichts" <stolflite(at)gmail.com> |
Greetings
New to the group, glad to be on board.
I am in the process of buying a completed Piet. with a Corvair for the power plant.
What can or should I expect for a cruise rpm and cruise speed?
I realize the prop impacts the outcome but I'm looking for averages so I can determine
what length and pitch should be used.
Thank you in advance for you patience and help
Your input is appreciated
regards
rich
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Subject: | Re: aileron quick disconnect |
From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
In order to get a copy of the UK Piet design, all you have to do is move to the
UK or Australia, and send Jim Wills 200 Pounds, and he will gladly sell you a
set of complete LAA approved plans which include the aileron quick-disconnect
system, as well as a built-up spar, and a beefed-up split-axle landing gear design.
Unfortunately, if you live outside of the UK or Australia, you're out of
luck.
Bill C.
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From: | "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au> |
Subject: | aileron quick disconnect |
Paul,
I used the quick connect system on my Piet. The plans came from Jim Wills in
the UK.
Check out my web site for more details (http://www.cpc-world.com).
There are some pictures of the system on my web site. Have a look at page 9
of the photos and start at image IMG_0965.JPG, about half way down the page.
If I were to build another Piet, I would not bother with the quick connect.
It adds weight, complexity and is certainly not a QUICK connect system. It
works fine but it still takes two people an hour or so to remove and pack up
the wings. If you have a hangar then they are not needed.
Hope that helps.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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I read somewhere about how the brits have a aileron quick disconnect system
to ease in removing wings. anyone know where i can get the plans for it?
Thanks; Paul
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From: | "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com> |
Thanks to all who responded to my question. It is what I really like
about this group. I tried one by cutting with my side grinder cut off
wheel. It worked but still a little sticky. I hope to pick up a cut
off wheel for my dremel tool this weekend. Happy flying and building to
all.
Ralph
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Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
From: | Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com> |
Greetings new to the group and welcome.
I can't tell you about average corvair performance however it would be nice if
you told us a bit about yourself.
Like who are you a real name
Where are you located
Tail number
Who's Piet you're buying
Will you be attending Brodhead this year
Just some basics would be nice, not required but nice information
Thanks
John Recine
NX895JR reserved
Do not archine
Sent from my iPhone
On May 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, "rorichts" wrote:
>
> Greetings
> New to the group, glad to be on board.
> I am in the process of buying a completed Piet. with a Corvair for the power
plant.
>
> What can or should I expect for a cruise rpm and cruise speed?
> I realize the prop impacts the outcome but I'm looking for averages so I can
determine what length and pitch should be used.
> Thank you in advance for you patience and help
> Your input is appreciated
> regards
> rich
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373850#373850
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | Tony Bingelis on cable cutting |
My Uncle Tony.....er...okay..well Tony's books give some great alternatives
to cutting cables, all of which
have been covered here but I liked the bike shop cable cutting tool idea as
the best bang for the buck.
What strikes me about this list is that pre-Matronics Pietenpol list (when
I was starting to build my Pietenpol)
I really only had the Bingelis books to answer my questions and hands down,
I could have built the Pietenpol
without ever having the Matronics list because of the vast and complete inf
ormation contained in those books.
Thankfully we have both sources of great homebuilding info. (and many more
thanks to the internet)
I used to love hearing the old wives tales about what I should or shouldn't
do on certain parts of the airplane and
then finding out they were way off base after reading up on the subject in
the Bingelis books.
Okay, that's enough of my monthly sales pitch for my Uncle Tony's books:)
Mike C.
Best $89 dollars you'll ever spend on building your airplane. http://w
ww.shopeaa.com/bingelissetof4.aspx
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Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
From: | "rorichts" <stolflite(at)gmail.com> |
Amsafetyc wrote:
> Greetings new to the group and welcome.
>
> I can't tell you about average corvair performance however it would be nice if
you told us a bit about yourself.
>
> Like who are you a real name Robert Richtsmeier
> Where are you located Ackley Iowa
> Tail number don't have
> Who's Piet you're buying still working with owner so not at liberty
> Will you be attending Brodhead this year hope to fly in if I buy and get these
unanswered issues solved the plane has performance problem but interested in
plane anyway and sure they can be overcome
>
> Just some basics would be nice, not required but nice information
>
> Thanks
>
> John Recine
> NX895JR reserved
>
> Robert
> anwers about the expected performance would be helpful so i can make the correct
decisions to get the plane performance up to par would be nice also
>
> Do not archine
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, "rorichts" wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Greetings
> > New to the group, glad to be on board.
> > I am in the process of buying a completed Piet. with a Corvair for the power
plant.
> >
> > What can or should I expect for a cruise rpm and cruise speed?
> > I realize the prop impacts the outcome but I'm looking for averages so I can
determine what length and pitch should be used.
> > Thank you in advance for you patience and help
> > Your input is appreciated
> > regards
> > rich
> >
> >
> >
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From: | "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com> |
Subject: | Covering problem? |
You are putting way, way too much on! The first coats are put on with foam
brushes and the reason for 2 light cross coats (4 coats) is to fill the
weave. Don't try to fill the weave on the first coat as you will add pounds
to the airplane and have difficulty just like you are having.
Barry
NX973BP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:54 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering problem?
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I am covering my tail feathers at the moment with SS. everything was going
great until the application of the ecofill. The problem i ran into is
ecofill saturating the fabric and building up on the structure underneath
the fabric. Now that its dry, as i try sanding the surface i run into these
clumps of primer just underneath the fabric stuck to the wood structure and
i almost sand thru the fabric instantly! Anybody else run into this? I was
thinking of taking the small iron and try to mash it flat but im afraid the
fabric will stick.....obviously i put the ecofill on too thick.........it
sure didnt seem like it when i was doing it though.
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Subject: | Re: Tony Bingelis on cable cutting |
From: | "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net> |
Oh yeah, you know one Mike... that cutthroat gelato pusher from Amish country.
I hear that he might be bringing some reinforcements this year... a real tough
guy. He eats Wisconsin brats in one bite and I hear that his favorite flavor
of gelato is Birra Calda e Lime.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
welcome to the group Robert,
I fly a corvair powered piet. I cruise at about 2400 to 2500 rpm with a
cruise speed of around 75 to 80 mph. that is with a tn. prop. 64/34 prop.
climb is around 400 to 600 fpm depending on the air.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
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Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
From: | "rorichts" <stolflite(at)gmail.com> |
[quote="RBush96589(at)aol.com"]welcome to the group Robert,
I fly a corvair powered piet. I cruise at about 2400 to 2500 rpm with a cruise
speed of around 75 to 80 mph. that is with a tn. prop. 64/34 prop. climb is
around 400 to 600 fpm depending on the air.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
> [b]
Randy
Thanks that is very useful help now I can compare with what is being offered and
see what I need to do differently. If anyone else would care to chime in it
would be appreciated
regards
robert
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Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Welcome to the group Robert.
But, if I might make a suggestion, have a little patience.
I think you posted your question yesterday, and then removed it, due to lack of
response, not even a day later, with the comment "disappointing". I don't know
what sort of response time you were expecting, but it must have been pretty
short.
So now, since you removed the question from your post, your message doesn't even
have a question for anyone to respond to.
One other thing to keep in mind is that every Pietenpol will perform slightly differently,
due to the huge number of variables in play. First off, every Piet
is hand made, and many if not all builders make some modifications (some tiny,
and some huge) when building. There is a wide variety of powerplant options,
but also propeller options as well. Wheels and landing gear also vary greatly
(affecting the weight and drag). Probably the best single indicator (though not
guaranteed) of good performance in a Pietenpol is the weight. The lighter the
plane, the better it will likely perform.
Good luck with your potential purchase.
Bill C.
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From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
I know what he was expecting! He was expecting me to reply with a link to http://lmgtfy.com/q?corvair+cruise+site%3matronics.com like all the other dunderheads get when they ask questions that can answered easily with their favorite search engine. Well, in my defense, I'm on vacation writing haikus instead, so I'm a little behind.
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
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From: | Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
You're right. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have just blatantly called Robert a dunderhead.
That was uncalled for. I should have waited for cooler heads to prevail.
Robert - you can still use Google to search on "corvair performance site:matronics.com"
to find what you're interested in.
Good luck with your purchase.
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
yocum137(at)gmail.com
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
On May 25, 2012, at 2:06 PM, "Bill Church" wrote:
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> Welcome to the group Robert.
>
> But, if I might make a suggestion, have a little patience.
>
> I think you posted your question yesterday, and then removed it, due to lack
of response, not even a day later, with the comment "disappointing". I don't know
what sort of response time you were expecting, but it must have been pretty
short.
> So now, since you removed the question from your post, your message doesn't even
have a question for anyone to respond to.
> One other thing to keep in mind is that every Pietenpol will perform slightly
differently, due to the huge number of variables in play. First off, every Piet
is hand made, and many if not all builders make some modifications (some tiny,
and some huge) when building. There is a wide variety of powerplant options,
but also propeller options as well. Wheels and landing gear also vary greatly
(affecting the weight and drag). Probably the best single indicator (though
not guaranteed) of good performance in a Pietenpol is the weight. The lighter
the plane, the better it will likely perform.
>
> Good luck with your potential purchase.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373910#373910
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Subject: | Re: Covering problem? |
From: | "H. Marvin Haught" <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net> |
You can smooth down pinked edges and rough spots with the iron, but you have to
sand out clumps. But don't sand until you have a couple of more coats on -
then what you can do is keep putting coats just over the clumps and sand until
they disappear - in other words, keep applying ekofill to the trouble area and
sanding it off until the clump disappears. You will also need to sand out the
brush strokes or they will telegraph through the finish coat. The iron does
soften the EkoFill but does not really melt it.
M. Haught
On May 24, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:
>
> Looks like i missed the wetting step..........I went right to applying the ekofill.
After reading your attachment, i went WAY too heavy cause i can see brush
strokes. I think the parts are savable cause you only feel the globs if you
push on the fabric, you cant see them otherwise. What will happen if i use a
piece of teflon fabric and push on the iron over the clumps? I would think it
would melt the primer clump and flatten it. I really do not want to recover.......i
did a really good job on the taping.
>
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> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled less covering
> Mistubishi Powered
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373770#373770
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
Robert,
My Corvair powered Piet is not yet in the air, so I cannot answer your
question. Keep in mind that there are only a handful of those flying right
now, and not everyone monitors the list on a daily basis. It's not unusual
to see responses 2 weeks later!
You mentioned some performance problems. Maybe, if you were a little more
specific, you might be able to tap into the vast knowledge base of a broader
group. There are some issues that are common, no matter what the power
plant, that can be overcome with rigging, W&B, etc. Throw it out there.....
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise?
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Welcome to the group Robert.
But, if I might make a suggestion, have a little patience.
I think you posted your question yesterday, and then removed it, due to lack
of response, not even a day later, with the comment "disappointing". I don't
know what sort of response time you were expecting, but it must have been
pretty short.
So now, since you removed the question from your post, your message doesn't
even have a question for anyone to respond to.
One other thing to keep in mind is that every Pietenpol will perform
slightly differently, due to the huge number of variables in play. First
off, every Piet is hand made, and many if not all builders make some
modifications (some tiny, and some huge) when building. There is a wide
variety of powerplant options, but also propeller options as well. Wheels
and landing gear also vary greatly (affecting the weight and drag). Probably
the best single indicator (though not guaranteed) of good performance in a
Pietenpol is the weight. The lighter the plane, the better it will likely
perform.
Good luck with your potential purchase.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
From: | "rorichts" <stolflite(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks to all who have shared each in his own way, and I'll leave it at that.
The replies have provided helpful info can and will be added to what I have learned
additionally from a friend that stopped by the hanger this evening.
With the input shared on prop size and pitch I now know what was on the plane was
not right, so it is the first thing to address..
One thing I have learned was the carb. originally used was not large enough.
and it did not have carb. heat , now has both.
will get new prop install carb and hook up carb heat and test from there
regards
rich
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From: | "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca> |
Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
Don't forget to buy the good fibre ones. Those
tan, clay looking cheapo dremel ones fracture
apart if you just happen to look at them the wrong
way.
Clif
A mile of road will take you a mile, but a mile of runway will take you
anywhere!
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph
To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 6:08 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable cutting
Thanks to all who responded to my question. It is what I really like
about this group. I tried one by cutting with my side grinder cut off
wheel. It worked but still a little sticky. I hope to pick up a cut
off wheel for my dremel tool this weekend. Happy flying and building to
all.
Ralph
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
05/25/12
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From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
I took a page out of The Fisherman's book and went down to Harbor Freight f
or my cable cutters.
http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch-cable-cutter-40507.html
On sale for $5.99 at the moment=2C and supposed to be good for cable up to
7/8".
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
Robert,
some other things you may want to look into on this plane are what was
done to the corvair to convert it for aircraft use. if it is a straight out
of the car bolt on to the plane engine using the blower fan and belt for
cooling you are not going to get the power or performance of one using the
latest up to date conversion techniques.
I also would not feel safe flying behind it.things like forged pistons,a
different cam and the right head work in my opinion are a must to make it
close to a reliable aircraft engine.
the impression i get from what you are saying with no carb heat and the
wrong carb this guy may not know what it takes to make a corvair a safe
aircraft engine. I would investigate a little harder before I made a purchase.
Randy Bush
NX294RB
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Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
RBush96589
what do you get for fuel burn?
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From: | RBush96589(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
4.5 to 5.5 gph
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From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
________________________________
From: "RBush96589(at)aol.com" <RBush96589(at)aol.com>
Sent: Sat, May 26, 2012 7:44:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise?
4.5 to 5.5 gph
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From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
So Gardiner what were you getting for cruise and what was your prop?
Thanks,
Jim
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From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
Hi Jim, I was getting about 85 with the warp drive. I don't know if that was
correct. My static port is on the left side facing forward with my corvair.
Somewhere I read that it would make a difference with the left turning engine.
I
might add another port on the right side. Cheers, Gardiner
________________________________
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sat, May 26, 2012 8:23:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise?
So Gardiner what were you getting for cruise and what was your prop?
Thanks,
Jim
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From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: anticipated cruise? |
Hi Gardiner,
I was curious as I have a warp drive prop too.
Thanks,
Jim
Hi Jim, I was getting about 85 with the warp drive. I don't know if that was correct.
My static port is on the left side facing forward with my corvair. Somewhere
I read that it would make a difference with the left turning engine. I might
add another port on the right side. Cheers, Gardiner
From: Jim Boyer < boyerjrb(at)comcast.net >
Sent: Sat, May 26, 2012 8:23:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise?
So Gardiner what were you getting for cruise and what was your prop?
Thanks,
Jim
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Subject: | Skip. Jim P. is asking for your Address |
From: | Dave Nielsen <sentuchows(at)aol.com> |
Skip, Jim is asking for your email or home address. Says he goes fishing up
by your place and would like to stop by and see you
Dave Nielsen
sentuchows(at)aol.com
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
From: | Perry Shipman <perrytshipman(at)gmail.com> |
Mike,
Thanks for keeping me/us on the list ... I think you added me two years ago
when we started the Pietenpol build process ... now on the fuselage and
thinking about the gear ...
Dave and I (Dave Schlieder ... my childhood building/drinking buddy) are
trudging along, putting one foot in front of another, having great fun!
Next year we might have Dave doing his lessons which will, I believe,
inspire him to finish jump on the wings and to fly up for the meet!
Please add Dave to your list dschlieder(at)cox.net so we both can get you
flier.
Perry Shipman
Lakeside, CA
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Michael Groah wrote:
> Ok, everyone... we're now less than a week away from our west coast
> Pietenpol gathering.
>
> It's June 2nd at Frazier lake..... See the attached flyer for the
> rest of the info....
>
> I'm looking forward to seeing you all there!
>
> Mike Groah
>
>
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[image: Photo]
Perry T Shipman
Lakeside, CA 92040
619.861.3035
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From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | anticipated cruise? |
I have flown NX41CC with two different engines and two props. I now have a
third prop (Prince P-Tip)=2C but have not flown it yet. With the A65 and
72x42 Hegy wooden prop=2C the airplane cruised at 65-70MPH and sipped 4 gal
/hr. I changed the engine to an A75 with a 72x36 Valley Engineering (Culve
r) wooden prop to allow the engine to turn up to its rated 2600 RPM for tak
eoff=2C which it does. It now cruises solidly at 70MPH and still sips abou
t 4 gal/hr. at cruise=3B maybe just a tad more. I can make the airplane fly
faster with full power=2C but it isn't happy there for long. I have made
some high-speed passes down to the runway at our home field and also done s
ome high-speed=2C high-power descents from altitude at 90-95MPH=2C but the
airplane felt like it was going to jump out of its skin or pop its eyeballs
=2C and I couldn't stand it either. It feels and flies best right around 6
5-70 MPH and that's where I am happiest with it too. Even at $5/gal for av
gas=2C that's a $20 bill for an hour of flying in the most enjoyable airpla
ne that I've ever had the privilege to fly. Well worth it.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
...is not going to happen for me this year. Scout is still down in Texas
=2C I'm in Oregon=2C and I'll be working on two final exams .
Next year for sure!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: Eyebrow template |
From: | "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Joe;
I see nobody else has chimed in on this, so maybe I can help. I don't have the
templates but I do have a beat-up pair of eyebrows that I can pop in a box and
mail to you to use for templates. Let me pull them out of the storage unit
and shoot you a picture to see if they might serve for what you want. I don't
know exactly what they're off of... someone told me they came from a Cub but
I don't think they're as tall as Cub eyebrows. Anyway, I'll put up a picture
here and then you can let me know.
Where are you located?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: Eyebrow template |
From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Joe,
I don't think there's a PDF file available for the patterns.
There was a link recently for a set of full size plans, available for sale at a
very reasonable price, from the Cub Club, but you do have to be a member of the
Club to be able to buy them.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=88858&highlight=eyebrow
Also, a few years ago, Chuck Gantzer was selling full size patterns. Not sure if
they're still available.
http://nx770cg.com/Video.html
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: aileron quick disconnect |
From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
thanks guys, appreciate it. Paul
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From: | Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: Eyebrow template |
Here I hace a very good pattern, you can upload it with any graphic
program, and print in the size you want.
Regards
[image: Im=E1genes integradas 1]
Mario Giacummo
... .. .-.. .- .- ...- . -. - ..- .-. .- . ... .--. . .-.. .. --. .-.
--- ... .- --..-- .--. .-. --- -... .- .-.. .- .-. ..- - .. -. .- --..--
. ... -- --- .-. - .- .-.. !!!!!
2012/5/28 Bill Church
> billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
>
> Joe,
>
> I don't think there's a PDF file available for the patterns.
> There was a link recently for a set of full size plans, available for sal
e
> at a very reasonable price, from the Cub Club, but you do have to be a
> member of the Club to be able to buy them.
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=88858&highlight=eyebrow
> Also, a few years ago, Chuck Gantzer was selling full size patterns. Not
> sure if they're still available.
> http://nx770cg.com/Video.html
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374107#374107
>
>
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From: | Joe Street <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca> |
Subject: | Eyebrow template |
Thanks Oscar and Bill for the response
I did check the cub club, but though the pattern is not expensive, I am
not a member. I may still pay the membership fee just to get the
drawing but since I am so cheap I'll wait and see if I can get a pattern
another way! To answer your question Oscar I am in SW Ontario. I have
a set of eyebrows from the original builder which aren't too pretty but
I guess do the job so I can trace out something from them and modify a
little but was hoping to just find someone here who had laid out a
pattern already. Or if there is anybody on this list who is a cub club
member I could maybe reimburse them using pay pal if they could order me
the drawings.... The other option I was considering since I read so
much about the metal ones developing cracks was to make a composite set,
but that doesn't really suit this airplane very well having composites
on it.
Joe
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | EAA Chapter 1279 Pietenpol Update |
Of possible interest-I'm forwarding this from the group who brought their b
are-bones Pietenpol all the way from California a few years
ago to display at Brodhead and Oshkosh. They are making good progress!
Mike C.
Dear Members,
For all of you who have been following our progress on the Pietenpol Air Ca
mper that has been under construction by our Saturday morning workshop crew
for the past 7 years, you will be very happy to learn that we consider our
selves to be in the "home stretch," nearing the finish line.
Nearly all of 2011 was spent covering and rib lacing the wing, tail surface
s, and fuselage. As you may remember from my last update, the final two we
eks of last year were spent painting the whole project. So we began this y
ear by reassembling the airplane for the final time. Our local DAR, John S
hablow, advised us that we should get the paperwork started with FAA, as it
could take up to 90 days to get it registered. For the first step, we wan
ted to secure an N number for the airplane that would reflect the connectio
n to our EAA chapter. Unfortunately, N1279 was already taken. In order to
incorporate the "1279" chapter number, we would have to add a suffix. So
we chose "Z," just 'cause "79 Zulu" kind of rolls off the tongue when spoke
n over the radio.
This morning (Saturday, May 26, 2012) we preformed a preliminary "weight an
d balance" of the airplane (see photos below). Empty weight of the airplan
e (with minimal work left to do on the engine and airframe) was measured at
727 lbs. (no fuel and no pilot). It takes considerable focus on weight re
duction to get the empty weight of a Pietenpol under 650 lbs. And there ar
e Piets with no electrical and no brakes that top 700 lbs empty weight. Wi
th a full electrical system including starter motor, radio, and intercom, h
ydrolic brakes, and a stearable tailwheel, we were expecting to be around 8
00 lbs. So we were delighted with an empty weight under 730 lbs.
With a 170 lb. pilot our calculations put the CG at 18.5 inches aft of the
leading edge of the wing. This falls within the CG design limits of 15" to
20" aft of the leading edge. Nonetheless, simply moving the wing aft 1" w
ould put the CG right in the middle of the CG range. It is something worth
considering. I should stress, however, that these were only preliminary c
alculations using simple bathroom scales. There are a few things left to d
o on the airplane. So we will give it careful consideration before making
any modifications to our current configuration. Of course, the final weigh
t and balance will be performed using aircraft scales when the airplane is
"flight ready."
As you can see in the photos below we have added our chapter logo to the si
de of the fuselage as well as the N number on the tail. We are not too far
from taxi testing and first flight, so stay tuned.
Steve Williamson, Pres.
EAA Chapter 1279
French Valley
[cid:X.MA1.1338094878(at)aol.com]
Dave McPhee and Dave Winsett measure the pilot location
[cid:X.MA2.1338094878(at)aol.com]
Dave McPhee performs CG calculations with Art supervising
[cid:X.MA3.1338094878(at)aol.com]
Final Configuation
[cid:X.MA4.1338094878(at)aol.com]
"NX1279Z" ready for taxi
[cid:X.MA5.1338094878(at)aol.com]
"Air Camper" valve covers were a gift from William Wynne
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Subject: | Loose brass fitting |
From: | helspersew(at)aol.com |
"Forget the intrusion good people!",
I am up in Poplar Grove this week doing some flight testing after having fi
nished the in-stall of my new fuel tank. All is well with the tank and maki
ng some more progress with the flying. Logged three hours yesterday alone.
Finally learning how to land her properly. Next flight- 50 lbs bag of sand
in the front.
When I came down yesterday I noticed a big oil leak, coating the entire bel
ly of the airplane, clear back to the tailwheel. Inspection of the inside o
f the cowling revealed the source from just under the nose cone. I then rem
oved the engine cowl completely in order to do the inspection. To my surpri
se, I saw a completely unscrewed brass nut from a brass fittings ( ferrule,
copper tube) non-pressurized oil return line (from the valve chamber down
back to the oil pan). Could I have neglected to tighten that from last spr
ing? I am thinking that was unlikely, but not impossible.
Has anyone ever heard of one of those (properly torqued) coming loose from
vibration? It kind of scared me so I elected to apply some Locktite when I
reassembled.
Any thoughts?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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Subject: | Re: Loose brass fitting |
From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Dan,
My thoughts are failed to tighten it....maybe finger tight. I worked 40 years
on 2000 to 15,000 hp engines with tons of compression fittings, mainly TyLock
and Swagelock. Never saw one loosen up. I saw lots of fatigue cracks and some
outright breaks of the tubing. There was a lot of vibration on those bad boys.
The turbines would develop high frequency vibration too.
That's my $0.02
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Taxi testing NX510JD |
From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I taxied my Piet over the weekend........life is good. I am going to have to get
a DAR ($500)to do the certification. FSDO in Birmingham just flat told me they
were not doing it. Excuse was don't have the money for gas! I am on slow burn
right now.
I have an issue....static I think. When I run the engine up some say 1500 rpm
the airspeed shows about 20 mph sitting still. I did not run a static line, just
vented inside the panel. Reckon I could run a line out the bottom of the panel
into the cockpit and solve the problem? That is the only issue I had.
The airplane taxied great. The engine ran fine. I got a 2300 rpm static from the
Cloudcars 76 X 44 prop.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | Taxi testing NX510JD |
Jerry--congratulations on that big step! With regard to your ASI showing
speed when you're not moving try to plug your static port with a fitting of
any kind and drilling a pin hole thru it to vent it. That should help it
to read fine and not be as prone to cockpit wind issues. Maybe you have
an open instrument panel bay too, dunno but try plugging first. I just use
d
a nylon fitting for the 1/4" airspeed lines and plugged it with a screw and
drilled a pin hole thru the side of the fitting. Worked like a charm.
Mike C.
[cid:image001.png(at)01CD3DBD.67BDFCF0]
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Subject: | Re: Loose brass fitting |
From: | "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> |
Dan,
Are you talking the type of nut in a compression fitting?
There's lots of them on my tractors in the oil system and I've never seen one come
loose from vibration. A very similar engine to the ford, simple water cooled
gas burning 4 cyl 1900rpm engine, banging around with no suspension, since
the 40's.
My plane has quite a few of them in the individual cylinder priming system (A65)
and haven't seen one come loose there either.
On all of them I've worked on, I've always made of point of not making them very
tight either. If you did just hand tighten it a year ago, it's quite possible
it held till now!
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Had a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, nestled up
against
the Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be building a
home,
once we=92ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC ' the Pietenpol is
already
based in our hangar there). We are adding a back porch and tool shed to
the
hangar, but took a break from the work briefly on Sunday afternoon to do
a
little low and slow aviating. Karen took these pictures from our
Pietenpol:
This one shows the view right after takeoff, climbing out over the lake.
Smith Mountain is in the distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain
Lake
is in the notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River, and creating
a
22,000 acre lake with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful
flight,
with smooth air, light winds and nearly 100=B0 temeratures (density
altitude
was well over 3,000=92 and we were just below gross weight ' climb
rate was
about 150 fpm).
This photo shows our hangar at the top, with our half-finished porch on
the
back side. The house you see (with the small hangar and the dead
Cherokee
Arrow) belongs to our next door neighbors. Ours will be built near the
joggle in the driveway where our drive splits off from theirs.
Life is Good!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: | Re: Great Weekend |
From: | "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net> |
As good as it gets Jack. Congratulations!
--------
Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: Great Weekend |
Hi Jack, looks great but when are you going to put fioats on your plane? Ga
riner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack Philli
ps =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue,
May 29, 2012 8:42:28 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0A=0A =0A
Had a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia , nestled up aga
inst =0Athe Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be building a
home, once =0Awe=99ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC =93 t
he Pietenpol is already based in our =0Ahangar there). We are adding a bac
k porch and tool shed to the hangar, but took =0Aa break from the work brie
fly on Sunday afternoon to do a little low and slow =0Aaviating. Karen too
k these pictures from our Pietenpol:=0A =0A =0AThis one shows the view righ
t after takeoff, climbing out over the lake. Smith =0AMountain is in the
distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain Lake is in =0Athe notch in
the mountain, damming the Roanoke River , and creating a 22,000 =0Aacre la
ke with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful flight, with smooth =0A
air, light winds and nearly 100=C2=B0 temeratures (density altitude was wel
l over =0A3,000=99 and we were just below gross weight =93 clim
b rate was about 150 fpm).=0A =0A =0AThis photo shows our hangar at the top
, with our half-finished porch on the back =0Aside. The house you see (wit
h the small hangar and the dead Cherokee Arrow) =0Abelongs to our next door
neighbors. Ours will be built near the joggle in the =0Adriveway where ou
r drive splits off from theirs.=0A =0ALife is Good!=0A =0AJack Phillips=0AN
X899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Gardiner ' note the text where I pointed out I was getting 150 fpm
climb. I
doubt floats will improve that.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend
Hi Jack, looks great but when are you going to put fioats on your plane?
Gariner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:42:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend
Had a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia , nestled up
against the Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be
building a
home, once we=92ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC ' the Pietenpol
is
already based in our hangar there). We are adding a back porch and tool
shed to the hangar, but took a break from the work briefly on Sunday
afternoon to do a little low and slow aviating. Karen took these
pictures
from our Pietenpol:
This one shows the view right after takeoff, climbing out over the lake.
Smith Mountain is in the distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain
Lake
is in the notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River , and
creating a
22,000 acre lake with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful
flight,
with smooth air, light winds and nearly 100=B0 temeratures (density
altitude
was well over 3,000=92 and we were just below gross weight ' climb
rate was
about 150 fpm).
This photo shows our hangar at the top, with our half-finished porch on
the
back side. The house you see (with the small hangar and the dead
Cherokee
Arrow) belongs to our next door neighbors. Ours will be built near the
joggle in the driveway where our drive splits off from theirs.
Life is Good!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: Great Weekend |
Well Jack , it looks like you will have to go Corvair. He He. Gardiner=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack Phillips <piet
flyr(at)bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, May 30,
2012 8:28:39 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0A=0A =0AGard
iner =93 note the text where I pointed out I was getting 150 fpm clim
b. I =0Adoubt floats will improve that.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASm
ith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A
=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpo
l-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion=0ASent: Wednesday, May 30
, 2012 8:13 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-
List: Great Weekend=0A =0AHi Jack, looks great but when are you going to pu
t fioats on your plane? Gariner=0A =0A =0A=0A______________________________
__=0A =0AFrom:Jack Phillips =0ATo: pietenpol-list@m
atronics.com=0ASent: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:42:28 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List
: Great Weekend=0AHad a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake , Virgini
a , nestled up against =0Athe Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will
soon be building a home, once =0Awe=99ve closed on our house in Ralei
gh NC =93 the Pietenpol is already based in our =0Ahangar there). W
e are adding a back porch and tool shed to the hangar, but took =0Aa break
from the work briefly on Sunday afternoon to do a little low and slow =0Aav
iating. Karen took these pictures from our Pietenpol:=0A =0A =0AThis one s
hows the view right after takeoff, climbing out over the lake. Smith =0AM
ountain is in the distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain Lake is
in =0Athe notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River , and creating
a 22,000 =0Aacre lake with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful flig
ht, with smooth =0Aair, light winds and nearly 100=C2=B0 temeratures (densi
ty altitude was well over =0A3,000=99 and we were just below gross we
ight =93 climb rate was about 150 fpm).=0A =0A =0AThis photo shows ou
r hangar at the top, with our half-finished porch on the back =0Aside. The
house you see (with the small hangar and the dead Cherokee Arrow) =0Abelon
gs to our next door neighbors. Ours will be built near the joggle in the
=0Adriveway where our drive splits off from theirs.=0A =0ALife is Good!=0A
=0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake , Virginia
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Looks like a beautiful area...fantastic place to fly.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Oscar,
Do you still have that Hegy prop? I could be interested in it if you are not using
it anymore.
Thanks,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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From: | Woodflier(at)aol.com |
Subject: | Congratulations, Jerry |
Jerry, that's a great feeling the first time your Piet moves under its own
power. It isn't flying yet but it's getting close. Have you gotten the tail
up yet? I ended up having to go the DAR route myself. Didn't like spending
the money but it was worth it to get the airworthiness certificate.
I don't know how you did your static system. I copied Mike Cuy and just
drilled 1/16 holes in the plastic plugs plugging the static system side of the
airspeed and altimeter. I haven't had any problem. Not sure if that
affects the accuracy of the instruments but since indicated airspeed is what
you're using as a reference for stall speed, approach, climb and cruise, the
numbers you get during your test period are what matter and what you'll use.
I use a non-sensitive alitmeter so a few feet off doesn't affect that
either.
I'm assuming you have the pitot tube far enough outboard on the wing not to
be affected by the prop blast. Even with the pitot outboard of the wing
strut attach point on my Piet, I get a bobble of 5-7 mph on my airspeed when
I do a static runup.
Now if you can get it certified in the next week or so, you can conceivably
fly off the test period and make it to Brodhead this year.. ;)
Matt Paxton
I taxied my Piet over the weekend........life is good. I am going to have
to
get a DAR ($500)to do the certification. FSDO in Birmingham just flat told
me they were not doing it. Excuse was don't have the money for gas! I am on
slow burn right now.
I have an issue....static I think. When I run the engine up some say 1500
rpm the airspeed shows about 20 mph sitting still. I did not run a static
line, just vented inside the panel. Reckon I could run a line out the
bottom
of the panel into the cockpit and solve the problem? That is the only issue
I had.
The airplane taxied great. The engine ran fine. I got a 2300 rpm static
from the Cloudcars 76 X 44 prop.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | static port plugging on ASI and ALT and Jerry's 1st taxi |
text
Good point Matt-I neglected to say that I plugged both the ASI and ALT stat
ic ports then drilled tiny vent
holes in each plug to atmosphere like Matt did. In doing a ground run wit
h my gps over a closed course about 7
years ago I found that the ASI was accurate within 2 mph which is good enou
gh for me. (slow is slow:))
And, not to bead a dead Uncle (ouch) but I believe I got the static pluggin
g/venting idea from the......are you
ready.....Tony Bingelis books! Thanks Uncle Tony!
Very exciting Jerry. I did all of my taxi testing off of a grass runway
and it really helped me get used to the feel
of the rudder bar, tailwheel steering and suspension.
A few things you may find on taxi testing: One bungee is wrapped tighter
than the other so when you see the axel
bouncing off the ash block it isn't of equal distance side to side. (if
you've got a straight axel)
Tailspring resistance is too stiff or too soft. In my case I only had one
leaf spring and it was way too soft which
resulted in the tailwheel steering cables slaping against the bottom of the
fuselage. Having just one leaf spring is
a bad idea anyway because there's no backup spring should one break and lo
w and behold thank goodness I did
install a second spring before flying the plane because about 5 years into
flying the thing one of my leafs broke
on landing. No damage, no worries as the second leaf backed it up.
Mike C.
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Nope. Too many mountains around there. If I lived in the midwest,
I=92d be
interested in an auto engine conversion, but it would be a Model A Ford.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend
Well Jack , it looks like you will have to go Corvair. He He. Gardiner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2012 8:28:39 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend
Gardiner ' note the text where I pointed out I was getting 150 fpm
climb. I
doubt floats will improve that.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend
Hi Jack, looks great but when are you going to put fioats on your plane?
Gariner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:42:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend
Had a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia , nestled up
against the Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be
building a
home, once we=92ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC ' the Pietenpol
is
already based in our hangar there). We are adding a back porch and tool
shed to the hangar, but took a break from the work briefly on Sunday
afternoon to do a little low and slow aviating. Karen took these
pictures
from our Pietenpol:
This one shows the view right after takeoff, climbing out over the lake.
Smith Mountain is in the distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain
Lake
is in the notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River , and
creating a
22,000 acre lake with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful
flight,
with smooth air, light winds and nearly 100=B0 temeratures (density
altitude
was well over 3,000=92 and we were just below gross weight ' climb
rate was
about 150 fpm).
This photo shows our hangar at the top, with our half-finished porch on
the
back side. The house you see (with the small hangar and the dead
Cherokee
Arrow) belongs to our next door neighbors. Ours will be built near the
joggle in the driveway where our drive splits off from theirs.
Life is Good!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia
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From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
Subject: | OT from Piets but still neat... |
http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/full/tour-pkg.html
John Franklin
Prairie Aire 4TA0
GN-1 / Corvair
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Subject: | First flight Accident |
From: | "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org> |
Does anyone know of this fellow or plane? Sounds like the pilot is OK which is
good news.
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id 120510X35303&key=1
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: static port plugging on ASI and ALT and Jerry's 1st |
taxi tex
From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. I do have a plug with a tiny hole
in it in the static port. I will climb that mountain and let you all know what
fixes it.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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From: | "Bob edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net> |
Subject: | officially an airplane |
Another giant step taken. As of May 30,2012 NXWE53 is an airplane. The
inspection went good and the certificate was issued. Now we have to take
the wings off and move it to the airport. The tempo is speeding up.
Bob
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | officially an airplane |
Congratulations, Bob! We're anxiously awaiting a first flight report.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob edson
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: officially an airplane
Another giant step taken. As of May 30,2012 NXWE53 is an airplane. The
inspection went good and the certificate was issued. Now we have to take the
wings off and move it to the airport. The tempo is speeding up. Bob
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Subject: | Re: First flight Accident |
From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
That is sad news! Glad he is ok. From the list Don is retired, was building the
short fuselage with the model A.
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On May 30, 2012, at 2:30 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of this fellow or plane? Sounds like the pilot is OK which
is good news.
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id 120510X35303&key=1
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374301#374301
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From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Subject: | Vertical stab offset |
Okay you flyers.
Who has offset their vertical stab and how much. What is your experience,
does it help, hinder, do nothing??
As always there are myriad opinions, so I'm really interested in real world
experience.
Thanks!
Douwe
Darned glass cowling almost finished (way more work than sheet metal one),
fuse covering materials ordered, plan to start covering it next week!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | Re: Vertical stab offset |
NX18235, with an A-65, is flying with the vertical fin offset to the
left about 1 1/2". Feet off the rudder bar and the ball still settles
about 1 ball width to the right.
Offsetting the fin helped a lot and it is wise for builders to have a
means of adjusting the fin.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stab offset
Okay you flyers.
Who has offset their vertical stab and how much. What is your
experience, does it help, hinder, do nothing??
As always there are myriad opinions, so I'm really interested in real
world experience.
Thanks!
Douwe
Darned glass cowling almost finished (way more work than sheet metal
one), fuse covering materials ordered, plan to start covering it next
week!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: | airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: Great Weekend |
Jack, what was your altitude in the pictures? Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___
_____________________________=0AFrom: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net
>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, May 30, 2012 11:56:50 AM
=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0A=0A =0ANope. Too many moun
tains around there. If I lived in the midwest, I=99d be =0Aintereste
d in an auto engine conversion, but it would be a Model A Ford.=0A =0A=0A__
______________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matro
nics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
airlion=0ASent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:38 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matro
nics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0A =0AWell Jack , it
looks like you will have to go Corvair. He He. Gardiner=0A =0A =0A=0A______
__________________________=0A =0AFrom:Jack Phillips =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, May 30, 2012 8:28:39 AM
=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0AGardiner =93 note the
text where I pointed out I was getting 150 fpm climb. I =0Adoubt floats w
ill improve that.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Vi
rginia=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol
-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics
.com] On Behalf Of airlion=0ASent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:13 AM=0ATo: pi
etenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0A
=0AHi Jack, looks great but when are you going to put fioats on your plane?
Gariner=0A =0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:Jack Phil
lips =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tu
e, May 29, 2012 8:42:28 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0AHad a
wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia , nestled up against
=0Athe Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be building a home
, once =0Awe=99ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC =93 the Pi
etenpol is already based in our =0Ahangar there). We are adding a back por
ch and tool shed to the hangar, but took =0Aa break from the work briefly o
n Sunday afternoon to do a little low and slow =0Aaviating. Karen took the
se pictures from our Pietenpol:=0A =0A =0AThis one shows the view right aft
er takeoff, climbing out over the lake. Smith =0AMountain is in the dist
ance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain Lake is in =0Athe notch in the
mountain, damming the Roanoke River , and creating a 22,000 =0Aacre lake w
ith 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful flight, with smooth =0Aair,
light winds and nearly 100=C2=B0 temeratures (density altitude was well ov
er =0A3,000=99 and we were just below gross weight =93 climb ra
te was about 150 fpm).=0A =0A =0AThis photo shows our hangar at the top, wi
th our half-finished porch on the back =0Aside. The house you see (with th
e small hangar and the dead Cherokee Arrow) =0Abelongs to our next door nei
ghbors. Ours will be built near the joggle in the =0Adriveway where our dr
ive splits off from theirs.=0A =0ALife is Good!=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899
JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake , Virginia
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Vertical stab offset |
I offset my fin 1" and it is not enough (Continental A65, with a little
right thrust built into the engine mount). Mine also flies feet off with
the ball about a ball width to the right of center. I'm considering adding
a small trim tab to the rudder - just a wedge attached to the trailing edge,
not sticking beyond it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Cardinal
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stab offset
NX18235, with an A-65, is flying with the vertical fin offset to the left
about 1 1/2". Feet off the rudder bar and the ball still settles about 1
ball width to the right.
Offsetting the fin helped a lot and it is wise for builders to have a means
of adjusting the fin.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe <mailto:douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Blumberg
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stab offset
Okay you flyers.
Who has offset their vertical stab and how much. What is your experience,
does it help, hinder, do nothing??
As always there are myriad opinions, so I'm really interested in real world
experience.
Thanks!
Douwe
Darned glass cowling almost finished (way more work than sheet metal one),
fuse covering materials ordered, plan to start covering it next week!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Probably about 500=92 AGL. I rarely fly much higher than that. Takes
too
long to get much higher.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend
Jack, what was your altitude in the pictures? Gardiner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2012 11:56:50 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend
Nope. Too many mountains around there. If I lived in the midwest,
I=92d be
interested in an auto engine conversion, but it would be a Model A Ford.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend
Well Jack , it looks like you will have to go Corvair. He He. Gardiner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2012 8:28:39 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend
Gardiner ' note the text where I pointed out I was getting 150 fpm
climb. I
doubt floats will improve that.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend
Hi Jack, looks great but when are you going to put fioats on your plane?
Gariner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:42:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend
Had a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia , nestled up
against the Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be
building a
home, once we=92ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC ' the Pietenpol
is
already based in our hangar there). We are adding a back porch and tool
shed to the hangar, but took a break from the work briefly on Sunday
afternoon to do a little low and slow aviating. Karen took these
pictures
from our Pietenpol:
This one shows the view right after takeoff, climbing out over the lake.
Smith Mountain is in the distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain
Lake
is in the notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River , and
creating a
22,000 acre lake with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful
flight,
with smooth air, light winds and nearly 100=B0 temeratures (density
altitude
was well over 3,000=92 and we were just below gross weight ' climb
rate was
about 150 fpm).
This photo shows our hangar at the top, with our half-finished porch on
the
back side. The house you see (with the small hangar and the dead
Cherokee
Arrow) belongs to our next door neighbors. Ours will be built near the
joggle in the driveway where our drive splits off from theirs.
Life is Good!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia
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From: | "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Do the same aircraft grade requirements apply to the ash that is used in the floor
braces? Can sitka spruce be used here? I'm having a tough time finding quartersawn
ash with the required 6 annual rings per inch.
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John Francis
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
The answers to your question are "No" and "No". Ash does not (and cannot)
be held to the same requirement for annual growth rings as it is a different
species and family from Spruce. But you want to use Ash where specified,
even though it is heavy, because it is very strong and among all the woods
it has the best "shock-absorbing" ability (which is why it is the wood of
choice for baseball bats). Notice that the locations where Ash is specified
- landing gear load zones and engine mounts - are areas that receive shock
loading.
One other pleasant characteristic of Ash is that it simply doesn't splinter
and sands very smooth - which is why the other big use for Ash is in
gymnastic parallel bars. Other woods might splinter and hurt the hands of
the gymnast.
Just buy Ash with the straightest grain you can find and you'll be fine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ash specs
Do the same aircraft grade requirements apply to the ash that is used in the
floor braces? Can sitka spruce be used here? I'm having a tough time
finding quartersawn ash with the required 6 annual rings per inch.
--------
John Francis
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From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Thanks Jack. This is the best piece I could find yesterday.
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Nice looking wood, but I'm not sure it is Ash. Ash is white in color, with
more pronounced grain than this looks to have.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ash specs
Thanks Jack. This is the best piece I could find yesterday.
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John Francis
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From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Perhaps its just the shop lighting.
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Vertical stab offset |
Jack, (or anyone else, please), do you recall how much off set you used for
the right thrust adjustment on the engine mount?- I am currently buildin
g my engine mount jig and I was going to use about 1/2". Should I go more?
- I realize I can add shims later, if needed, but I want to do as much as
I can now.
Thanks.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Vertical stab offset |
As I recall (and I no longer have my jig. I think Steve Chase has it now),
it has 9/16" right offset. I've got to make a run up to the lake this
weekend, moving my RV-10 project. If I have time, I'll pull the cowling on
the Pietenpol and measure it.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stab offset
Jack, (or anyone else, please), do you recall how much off set you used for
the right thrust adjustment on the engine mount? I am currently building my
engine mount jig and I was going to use about 1/2". Should I go more? I
realize I can add shims later, if needed, but I want to do as much as I can
now.
Thanks.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Vertical stab offset |
Thanks Jack. The plans call out 9/16" offset to get the down thrust, so I w
as trying to be in that ball park for the right thrust as well.- (along w
ith the itell. Mike C. gave me from what he recalls doing.)- My big conce
rn is having the mounting pads so far out of plane that the flat faced engi
ne bosses won't sit correctly on the mount. (With down and right thrust, al
l four mount pads are at different heights.)
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
=0A
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From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
Hows this look in natural light?
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
That looks more like Ash
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ash specs
Hows this look in natural light?
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From: | Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> |
Hi John,
That looks like the Ash we had at Woodcraft and that I used on my Piet.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
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From: | "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com> |
If anyone needs some ash, I've got some and can machine to suit. $4 for the pair
of cross braces and $10 for a 3 piece Ford set. Shipping would cost more than
the wood but delivery for free at Brodhead???
Dave Aldrich
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Subject: | Re: Vertical stab offset |
From: | "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com> |
Mike and Jack,
Yes, I still have "the mount that Jack built"! It worked great (not flying yet)
and I seem to recall 9/16" offset, but I would have to double check when I get
home. BTW, Jack's mount is available to pass along to anyone interested (he
said it was OK, and I know he likes Spotted Cow in Brodhead!). I'm in Southern
Maryland if interested, feel free to contact me offline; chase143(at)aol.com.
Steve
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Steve
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Subject: | scarf joint for spar |
From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face,
or the edge. I know 43-13 probably explains it, but I dont have a copy yet.
which way is acceptable for a spar. I plan on 3/4 stock with 1/8 inch lamination
on each side. Sorry if this is obvious by looking at plans too, but dont have
those yet either. curiosity has gotten the best of me. thanks; Paul
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Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
looks like i found my answer on an online 43-13. well anywho, has anyone made
a scarf joint on a spar? any laminations over it? thanks; Paul
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From: | Joe Street <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca> |
Subject: | Eyebrow template |
Thanks to all who responded to my request.
Joe
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I've just purchased a pair of Eye Brows from Czechoslovakia. Started
creating templates but had plenty of other jobs.
They seem very well made and include a spare metal template kit.
Just fitting them at the moment.
Price was 199 Euro's for the Set, about $245.00. Carriage and packing
charges are on top and here in Europe I had to pay Value Added Tax.
The whole lot delivered by UPS to me at a cost of $385.00
Take a look:
http://www.falconaircraft.cz/inzerce/inzerat/piper-j3-cub-l4-baffle-cowlin
g-continental-engines-c65-c85-c90-0-200a
I dealt with a guy called Marek Vala. E-mail: falconaircraft(at)email.cz
Phone: +420 602 779 356
Regards
Gerry
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From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: Vertical stab offset) |
Actually this is a jig to make an engine mount. It has successfully held
together for welding my mount, Matt Paxton's and now Steve Chase's. Whoever
wants it is welcome to it - my only requirement is that it be passed along
to another A65 powered Pietenpol builder, and I'd like to know where it is
in case I ever need it for a repair.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
chase143(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab offset
Mike and Jack,
Yes, I still have "the mount that Jack built"! It worked great (not flying
yet) and I seem to recall 9/16" offset, but I would have to double check
when I get home. BTW, Jack's mount is available to pass along to anyone
interested (he said it was OK, and I know he likes Spotted Cow in
Brodhead!). I'm in Southern Maryland if interested, feel free to contact me
offline; chase143(at)aol.com.
Steve
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Steve
www.mypiet.com
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Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
From: | "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com> |
I used a laminated spar with scarfs. Pictures here http://textors.com/PietProject.html
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On May 31, 2012, at 2:32 PM, "nightmare" wrote:
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From: | John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> |
Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
My spars were built as an I-beam design with 3/8" ply sandwiched between 5/16"
x 1" Douglas fir strips. The scarf joints, following the 15:1 rule, were about
6" in length and were laminated with 1/8" ply. A 6" scarf is a pain in the
arse to fit properly. Disclaimer here, I haven't flown these wings yet!
John Franklin
Prairie Aire 4TA0
GN-1 / Corvair
-----Original Message-----
>From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: May 31, 2012 2:19 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar
>
>
>have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face,
or the edge. I know 43-13 probably explains it, but I dont have a copy yet.
which way is acceptable for a spar. I plan on 3/4 stock with 1/8 inch lamination
on each side. Sorry if this is obvious by looking at plans too, but dont
have those yet either. curiosity has gotten the best of me. thanks; Paul
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374412#374412
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From: | Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> |
Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
I'd heard word-of-mouth at SNF that the recommended scarfing slope in AC 43-13
(Chapter 1, somewhere around page 15) had increased to 15 to 1. I don't remember
what it used to be, or if that was a line just to sucker me in, but you might
want to check it out just in case.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
>Sent: May 31, 2012 4:43 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar
>
>
>My spars were built as an I-beam design with 3/8" ply sandwiched between 5/16"
x 1" Douglas fir strips. The scarf joints, following the 15:1 rule, were about
6" in length and were laminated with 1/8" ply. A 6" scarf is a pain in the
arse to fit properly. Disclaimer here, I haven't flown these wings yet!
>
>John Franklin
>Prairie Aire 4TA0
>GN-1 / Corvair
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
>>Sent: May 31, 2012 2:19 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar
>>
>>
>>have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face,
or the edge. I know 43-13 probably explains it, but I dont have a copy yet.
which way is acceptable for a spar. I plan on 3/4 stock with 1/8 inch lamination
on each side. Sorry if this is obvious by looking at plans too, but dont
have those yet either. curiosity has gotten the best of me. thanks; Paul
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Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
Always been 15 to 1.
Gary
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:14:05
for spar
I'd heard word-of-mouth at SNF that the recommended scarfing slope in AC 43-13
(Chapter 1, somewhere around page 15) had increased to 15 to 1. I don't remember
what it used to be, or if that was a line just to sucker me in, but you might
want to check it out just in case.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
>Sent: May 31, 2012 4:43 PM
>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar
>
>
>My spars were built as an I-beam design with 3/8" ply sandwiched between 5/16"
x 1" Douglas fir strips. The scarf joints, following the 15:1 rule, were about
6" in length and were laminated with 1/8" ply. A 6" scarf is a pain in the
arse to fit properly. Disclaimer here, I haven't flown these wings yet!
>
>John Franklin
>Prairie Aire 4TA0
>GN-1 / Corvair
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
>>Sent: May 31, 2012 2:19 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar
>>
>>
>>have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face,
or the edge. I know 43-13 probably explains it, but I dont have a copy yet.
which way is acceptable for a spar. I plan on 3/4 stock with 1/8 inch lamination
on each side. Sorry if this is obvious by looking at plans too, but dont
have those yet either. curiosity has gotten the best of me. thanks; Paul
>>
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Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
From: | gboothe5(at)comcast.net |
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Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
sensing a bit of sarcasm Ryan. my question "have seen 2 different ways of making
a scarf joint. joint is made along the face, or the edge. which way is acceptable
for a spar?" I did find the answer for that in chapter 1 section 40 figure
4 (not section 4). I then put out a statement about how I plan on building
my spar. Since this is probably the most critical part of a homebuilt aircraft
, and there is obviously several different ways of making a spar, and since
43-13 is "the bible" and we know the bible is never misinterpreted, I figured
this being a forum, it would be nice to hear from the folks who have actually
built , flown and know others who have done the same. Based on the responses and
some questioning of the "bible", I'm glad I brought up the subject. forgive
me if I incorrectly sensed your sarcasm. haven't had my coffee yet.
Thanks to the others for your responses, great pics Jack.
Paul
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Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
From: | Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com> |
No, that would be Chapter 1, Section 4, Item 1-40 you are probably
referring to; Chapter 1, on wood structures, has only 5 sections. 43:13 is
not biblical, it's just approved data. If you follow the method illustrated
(the only one I see therein), you can reasonably be assured that your
methods are sound.
Ryan
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:45 AM, nightmare wrote:
> pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
>
> sensing a bit of sarcasm Ryan. my question "have seen 2 different ways of
> making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face, or the edge. which way
> is acceptable for a spar?" I did find the answer for that in chapter 1
> section 40 figure 4 (not section 4). I then put out a statement about how I
> plan on building my spar. Since this is probably the most critical part of
> a homebuilt aircraft , and there is obviously several different ways of
> making a spar, and since 43-13 is "the bible" and we know the bible is
> never misinterpreted, I figured this being a forum, it would be nice to
> hear from the folks who have actually built , flown and know others who
> have done the same. Based on the responses and some questioning of the
> "bible", I'm glad I brought up the subject. forgive me if I incorrectly
> sensed your sarcasm. haven't had my coffee yet.
> Thanks to the others for your responses, great pics Jack.
> Paul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | additional info on scarfing can be found....... |
In the Tony Bingelis books. Not to beat a really dead horse but I'm amaz
ed at how many
of the questions about building are covered in the Bingelis book series inc
luding how to make
a sound and proper scarf joint.
Mike C.
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From: | Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> |
Subject: | Fun Pietenpol video |
This is from the Pietenpol group on Facebook...for those of you NOT on Facebook
(and good for you!).......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHxkjEn6IA&feature=colike
If that link fails, search Youtube for: "Pietenpol gyroflyer582"
Jim in Pryor
NX1929J
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Subject: | Engine mounts, vertical fin offsets and ash |
From: | woodflier(at)aol.com |
To conserve posts, I'm commenting on a few threads here:
1. Jack Phillips's engine mount jig worked beautifully for me. If he says t
hat he put 9/16 offset for the engine into it, which sounds about right, th
en my experience has been that it works well for an A-65.
2. I offset my vertical fin 3/4" and that seems about right, again for the
A-65 with the 9/16 offset on the mount. Realize that that engine offset and
fin offset should be working together make the airplane fly straight when
in level flight without any rudder input. I can't tell you which modificat
ion results in more effect but the combination I have works well.
3. I bought the ash pieces that form the carry-through for the loads on the
main gear and wing struts from Paxton Lumber Company probably 12 years ago
. I can't recall whether I got a single 4X4 piece and cut it down or had th
em mill me pieces to the correct dimension but it was beautiful, straight g
rained wood. They're on the web but also have locations in several mid-west
ern cities.
As Jack correctly pointed out, ash is much stronger, though heavier cubic i
nch for inch, than Sitka spruce. I was asked to go look at Piet a guy had b
ought, recently completed and certified with the 40 hours flown off. The ca
rry through pieces were some kind of plywood, didn't even appear to be airc
raft grade. Wood substitution in a lot of the structure is a Pietenpol trad
ition but this particular area gets a lot of load and is pretty critical fo
r the overall structural integrity of the airplane. I'm sure there are prob
ably hardwoods that could be substituted for white ash, but ash readily ava
ilable, not particularly expensive considering the small amount needed, and
proven over 80 years.
Matt Paxton
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | right thrust offset on Continental Piet motor mounts |
Collecting all of the good input on this subject and talking with Mike Pere
z as he is starting to
put his engine mount together. I followed Frank Pavliga's A-65 setup by u
sing large washers
behind the left motor mount rubbers to give me right thrust offset. The be
auty here is that you
can add and subtract these washers as you see fit during the trimming and f
light test periods.
The only limitation you might run into is cowling/nosebowl interference but
it is worth a try if
your plane doesn't fly quite true. You can also washer in downthrust if yo
u think it needs it but
the Pietenpol motor mount gives enough downthrust (I believe) as drawn/desi
gned.
Was just talking with Mike yesterday about the (okay...I'm even getting sic
k of myself mentioning
my Uncle Tony but...) flight test/ wing-aileron-tailfeather procedure that
Tony describes in his books.
I followed that procedure adjusting wing forks and such and finally added a
small ground-adjustable
aluminum trim tab to the rudder that requires just a little offset for mine
to fly true, feet flat, hands-off.
It took some doing finding calm air and run these up and down trials but we
ll worth it. Who knows,
I may have even gained 2 mph with the drag reduction in the process.
Mike C.
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | Re: right thrust offset on Continental Piet motor mounts |
Mike, to be clear and to be sure I heard you correctly during our talks...y
ou built your engine mount with some right thrust and then- added washers
later during flight testing, correct?
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Subject: | Re: Engine mounts, vertical fin offsets and ash |
Since the Corvair engine turns the opposite of all the "real" aircraft engines,
does the fin offset also become reversed? If so, what offset has been used?
Thanks,
Tom Stinemetze
N328Xray
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From: | "Ray Krause" <Raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin? |
Dear group,
Is it correct that the flyin at Fraiser Lake is tomorrow? I have heard no
mention about it lately.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:46 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fun Pietenpol video
>
>
> This is from the Pietenpol group on Facebook...for those of you NOT on
> Facebook (and good for you!).......
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHxkjEn6IA&feature=colike
>
> If that link fails, search Youtube for: "Pietenpol gyroflyer582"
>
> Jim in Pryor
> NX1929J
>
>
>
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From: | "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov> |
Subject: | right thrust offset on Continental Piet motor mounts |
Yes Mike P., I recall building in some right offset into my motor mount jig
but just not sure how much. I then added
the washers. I'll have to measure someday when the cowling is off just wh
at that offset is.
I actually added the washers before I even flew the plane and they were so
close after rigging and test flying/ adjusting
that I added that ground-adjustable aluminum trim tab on the rudder so I w
ouldn't have to fuss with adding washers,
getting a cherry picker..etc.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin? |
From: | Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> |
Yes. The west coast gathering is tomorrow. Are you going to make it?
Mike Groah.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 1, 2012, at 10:07 AM, "Ray Krause" wrote:
>
> Dear group,
>
> Is it correct that the flyin at Fraiser Lake is tomorrow? I have heard no mention
about it lately.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Krause
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
> To: "Pietenpol List"
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:46 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fun Pietenpol video
>
>
>>
>> This is from the Pietenpol group on Facebook...for those of you NOT on Facebook
(and good for you!).......
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHxkjEn6IA&feature=colike
>>
>> If that link fails, search Youtube for: "Pietenpol gyroflyer582"
>>
>> Jim in Pryor
>> NX1929J
>>
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From: | Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Subject: | right thrust offset on Continental Piet motor mounts |
Cool. Good stuff...thanks for all your help.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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From: | Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com> |
Subject: | Re: Engine mounts, vertical fin offsets and ash |
Tom,=0A-=0AYes, it does.=0A-=0AThe original Pietenpol engine mount for
the Corvair has some off sett build in.=0A-=0ABut I added a 3/8 on the Fi
n also=0A-=0AHans=0ANX 15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A =0A=0A_______________________
_________=0A From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@m
atronics.com =0ASent: Friday, June 1, 2012 11:26 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpo
l-List: Engine mounts, vertical fin offsets and ash=0A =0A--> Pietenpol-L
ist message posted by: "TOM STINEMETZE" =0A=0ASince the C
orvair engine turns the opposite of all the "real" aircraft engines, does t
he fin offset also become reversed?- If so, what offset has been used?=0A
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Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
From: | "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> |
Getting back to the original question, Paul, it's funny that you should be asking
this question, even thought you do not have a set of plans, because the Pietenpol
plans show a method of spar splicing that is NOT recommended (see attached
clip from the plans). Probably all of the early Pietenpol aircraft used this
method, and I don't think that they fell from the skies as a result, but it
is not a very strong method of splicing.
As it happens, the bulk of the heavy lifting is performed by the lift struts. The
3 piece wing has a 3 piece spar, held together with a few bolts, but actually
free to pivot (if the lift struts weren't there)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374499#374499
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Subject: | Re: Fun Pietenpol video |
From: | "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com> |
Scary, treacherous, and thrilling...!!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374501#374501
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Subject: | Re: Engine mounts, vertical fin offsets and ash |
From: | "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil> |
Hi Tom - I left everything at zero and, predictably, require lots of left pedal.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374502#374502
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From: | "Ray Krause" <Raykrause(at)frontiernet.net> |
Subject: | Re: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin? |
Plan to depart Colusa at around 8 AM ..... but in my Waiex.
Thanks,
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin?
>
> Yes. The west coast gathering is tomorrow. Are you going to make it?
>
> Mike Groah.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 1, 2012, at 10:07 AM, "Ray Krause"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Dear group,
>>
>> Is it correct that the flyin at Fraiser Lake is tomorrow? I have heard
>> no mention about it lately.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Krause
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle"
>>
>> To: "Pietenpol List"
>> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:46 AM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fun Pietenpol video
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is from the Pietenpol group on Facebook...for those of you NOT on
>>> Facebook (and good for you!).......
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHxkjEn6IA&feature=colike
>>>
>>> If that link fails, search Youtube for: "Pietenpol gyroflyer582"
>>>
>>> Jim in Pryor
>>> NX1929J
>>>
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Subject: | Re: cable cutting |
From: | "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net> |
I have those cutters, Oscar. And I would NOT want to shake the hand of the man
who can cut 7/8" cable with these! I used them to cut some 1" diameter heavy
duty rubber air conditioning hose this evening, and while it was manageable,
it was not very easy. I do believe that these cutters would easily handle 3/32"
or 1/8" aircraft cable, and copper electrical cable up to about 1/2". I would
not care to try it on anything much more substantial than that.
--------
Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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From: | "Mark Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com> |
Subject: | Re: Fun Pietenpol video |
Hi Jim,
Haha....incredible Action.....good stuff!
Thanks for posting .........and no, I am not on Facebook so you link was
great!
Mark S in Japan
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 9:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fun Pietenpol video
This is from the Pietenpol group on Facebook...for those of you NOT on
Facebook (and good for you!).......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHxkjEn6IA&feature=colike
If that link fails, search Youtube for: "Pietenpol gyroflyer582"
Jim in Pryor
NX1929J
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From: | "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> |
Subject: | fin offset for Corvairs |
Yes, the offset for a Corvair or any engine that spins in the opposite
direction from a Continental would require fin offset in the opposite (and
probably equal) direction.
Angle the fin to the left side of the fuselage (facing forward) for standard
rotating engines and towards the right side (facing forward) for
Corvairs-n'-such. Or just leave it like original and like most probably do
and just hold a bit more rudder.
Douwe
Big day here, just shot the final color coat on the cowling and I think the
spray gods were with me, looks pretty good.
Start covering fuselage and tailfeathers next week!!
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From: | Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Hegy prop; engine offset washers |
Sorry for the delay=2C but whoever asked about the Hegy prop=2C I sold it s
ome time ago. Regretted it later =3Bo)
Regarding washers=2C engine offset=2C and fin offset: Scout has about 1/2"
offset on the leading edge of the vertical stab and that's all I felt comfo
rtable cranking in because it looked like it would stress the glue joints i
n the wood. It could use some more offset. The trailing edge remains fixe
d while the leading edge is pulled over=2C and I didn't want to go with any
more. It turned out well because I needed to offset the fin enough to wher
e I had new material to screw the mounting tabs into anyway. If you build
it with offset from the start=2C that would be best. Scout still needs a s
mall bendable trim tab on the rudder as well as some washers on the engine
mount to improve the yaw in cruise. It flies just about like the others sa
y theirs do (mine has an A75)- about a half a ball out. Almost=2C but not
quite=2C feet flat on the floor in cruise=2C but a good pilot's feet are ne
ver on the floor anyway.
By the way=2C I do not recommend the use of standard large AN flat washers
for the engine offset duty. They are too thin and become dished. I ordere
d a pack of nice thick black oxide-finished steel washers from McMaster-Car
r and they are perfect. I believe they are the 92140A series washers=2C ab
out a buck apiece in that size. I think Aircraft Spruce offers engine moun
t washers but they are more expensive than the McMaster-Carr items. I boug
ht a bag of 10.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: scarf joint for spar |
From: | "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Bill; thats where my confusions was, i saw a similar pic somewhere of a
scarf joint along the face , then somewhere else along the edge. Its nice to hear
opinions or what is known as common knowledge of what to do or not do. Thankyou;
Paul
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Subject: | Black and White Video on Drag |
From: | "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com> |
A while back someone posted a you tube video on drag and the difference between
an airfoil and metal rods.
Anyone have the link to that?
Thanks
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From: | Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com> |
Subject: | Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
On 5/27/2012 8:15 AM, Michael Groah wrote:
> Ok, everyone... we're now less than a week away from our west coast
> Pietenpol gathering.
>
> It's June 2nd at Frazier lake..... See the attached flyer for the
> rest of the info....
>
> I'm looking forward to seeing you all there!
>
> Mike Groah
>
>
I just wanted to thank Charlie and Cecilia Miller and their family for
hosting us at Frazier Lake this Saturday. It looks like Charlie burned
enough fuel hopping rides to make it a good way to Brodhead. I had been
meaning to get to Frazier Lake for about thirty years and am glad I
finally made the trip. It was great seeing the group and I want to thank
Mike Groah for sending the flier and reminders. I'm looking forward to
my next return visit. Now to get cracking on my Corvair engine so I can
fly down there in the Pfeifer.
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport N154JP
Icing on the cake was seeing Charlie's beautiful Stinson. I knew he was
a great guy!
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Subject: | Re: Black and White Video on Drag |
From: | "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net> |
I didn't watch it but I believe this is the one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftq8jTQ8ANE
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
thru covering and painting, now in final assembly
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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From: | "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> |
Subject: | RE: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering |
Ditto, that, Darrel!! And I was glad to see you there, too! Special thanks
to Charlie for pressing on with the rides, even in less-than-optimum
conditions. Both my son and grandson have received first rides in a Piet
with Charlie, as well as the wives of several builders.a very important
contribution by him! It's looking good for at least 3 more Piets next year,
including Kevin McDonald's Model A Piet from Vacaville.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: Darrel Jones [mailto:wd6bor(at)vom.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:28 PM
Cc: ' Bob O' Hara' abohara(at)att.net; ' Irwin Fust' ifust(at)digitalpath.net; '
Mike Hardaway' papa.bike.mike(at)gmail.com; Chris Tracy; Chris Tracy; D.K.
Philbin; Gary Boothe; George Benson; Jim Markle; Jim Boyer; Jim Boyer; John
Watson; John Doig; john kerr; Jorge Lizarriga; Larry Jobe; Manuel Sparks;
Mark Roberts; Michael Weaver; Mike Bikle; Mike Bikle; Perry Shipman; Piet
List; Ray Krause; Scott De Bel; Scott Liefeld; Walt Bowe
Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
On 5/27/2012 8:15 AM, Michael Groah wrote:
Ok, everyone... we're now less than a week away from our west coast
Pietenpol gathering.
It's June 2nd at Frazier lake..... See the attached flyer for the rest
of the info....
I'm looking forward to seeing you all there!
Mike Groah
I just wanted to thank Charlie and Cecilia Miller and their family for
hosting us at Frazier Lake this Saturday. It looks like Charlie burned
enough fuel hopping rides to make it a good way to Brodhead. I had been
meaning to get to Frazier Lake for about thirty years and am glad I finally
made the trip. It was great seeing the group and I want to thank Mike Groah
for sending the flier and reminders. I'm looking forward to my next return
visit. Now to get cracking on my Corvair engine so I can fly down there in
the Pfeifer.
Darrel Jones
Pfeifer Sport N154JP
Icing on the cake was seeing Charlie's beautiful Stinson. I knew he was a
great guy!
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From: | "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> |
I you can see in the attached picture, I have a problem. I have already glued/bolted
my wing tips on without sliding the front aileron spar in place. I played
around with this shorter scrap piece of wood to get some idea of how to overcome
this without tearing anything apart. Would it be acceptable to make the
spar in two pieces (laminated lengthwise) and glued into place after placing
them in the rib? I would probably just cut the height of the spar 1/4 inch shorter
and slide and glue a piece of 1/2 by 1/4 capstrip under it. Your thoughts.
--------
John Francis
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From: | "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com> |
Subject: | Re: Engine mounts, vertical fin offsets and ash |
Kevin and others. Thanks for the information. I believe I will add a little offset
to the rudder now, while it is still uncovered and easily accessible.
Stinemetze
>>> "kevinpurtee" 6/1/2012 7:41 PM >>>
Hi Tom - I left everything at zero and, predictably, require lots of left pedal.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
May 06, 2012 - June 04, 2012
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