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May 06, 2012 - June 04, 2012



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From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months"
Date: May 06, 2012
Just finished up some electrical loose ends, and, after having the airframe dismantled for fabric and paint, I just HAD to run it again. <http://youtu.be/JE0WxHGZxus> http://youtu.be/JE0WxHGZxus Just need a volunteer to do another static run-up! (Curt Merdan.where are you?) Gary from Cool NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: aluminum struts
Date: May 06, 2012
For a really cool affect after polishing them get some clear for chrome and add some candy pigment and make colored polished alum. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio Date: Sun=2C 6 May 2012 07:18:08 -0700 From: speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: aluminum struts It takes some work=2C but they do look great polished. I polished all of my wing and cabane struts at one time and my arms were quite sore the next da y or two. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aluminum struts, cont.
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: May 06, 2012
Found a few more interesting pics related to the recent thread. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN Disclaimer: This whole idea of the alum struts, inserts, etc. is not mine. I unashamedly copied it from (Brodhead visit '05?) our very own, highly res pected Top Curmudgeon, Larry Williams, from the great state of Arkansas. M aybe it was his original idea. Don't know. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months"
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: May 06, 2012
Time to hook-up the industrial fish scale!!! Send the wife to the mall and give it the gun!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Gear angle
Date: May 07, 2012
Getting closer to drilling the lower gear lugs to set the angle of the wheels at 2 degrees. I plan to use a digital angle gauge but wanted a double check. I plan to install a wedge shim on top of the axle and then top it with a piece of angle the full length across the top of both axles side to side. 2 percent would be the angle. To determine the height of the wedge, what figure would I use for the base? The distance to the fuselage side? Thanks! Jack Textor DSM NX1929T ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 07, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months"
Hi Gary, Glad you got the electrical loose ends fixed. Also the Corviar sounds good. I have my forward cabanes (to motor mount) ready to weld along with a step on right gear leg. As soon as they are done will put on the motor mount and try to get engine hung. I like the light green and trim. How about a close up of your logo so I can read it; promise not to copy it. cheers, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Greenlee" <jmgreenlee(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: off topic but of interest to pilots
Date: May 07, 2012
This was a portion of an email I received from the TX Chapter of the Antique Airplane Association. I don't know this individual or other details. Can anyone verify what is going on here? Have any of y'all heard of situations like this? Heads up from Dick Stephens: What you don't know could cost you $10,000 TSA Fine TSA is policing Tyler airport and gave a person a $10,000 ticket. I was there on a cross country flight with a student and parked at the base of the tower. The restaurant was closed at 2:00 in the afternoon. We decided to walk around the static aircraft exhibit to Tyler Jet. When we entered Tyler Jet they were surprised and said "Where did you come from? We didn't see you taxi in." We told them and they asked if we had an airport clearance. They told us TSA had given a man a $10,000 fine and put him on a no fly list. There were no signs or warnings. We were told we had to stay in the foot print of our plane or have an escort. Tyler Jet said they would take us back to our plane when we were ready. That was a Big Surprise that could have cost us. Spread the word. Dick Stephens ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 14 YEAR UPDATE
From: "899PM" <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 07, 2012
Had a great weekend. Got the wings mounted, struts cut and strut fittings drilled. While sitting back with a cold Porter and reflecting on the years, I could swear I saw 899PM strain at the tail tiedown! -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372568#372568 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4244_177.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: off topic but of interest to pilots
From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns(at)att.net>
Date: May 07, 2012
According to AOPA Trler Tx airport is a commercial-service airport (has commercial passenger operations) http://www.aopa.org/airports/KTYR and is therefore subject to TSA Security Directive 1542-04-08G that went into effect in 2009. In a nutshell, at commercial airports TSA allows for transient pilots to move about for refueling, an emergency, direct access the FBO or exit. ( http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/security/brief_sd.html ) Several sources say walking unescorted is acceptable. Other than that you could be in trouble if your wandering around. TSA Airport Badging Program: Security Directive 1542-04-08G http://www.nbaa.org/ops/security/airport-badges/ May 29, 2009 On May 28, 2009, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) issued Security Directive (SD) 1542-04-08G, which modifies security protocols for transient aircraft and after-hours operations at commercial-service airports. This newest revision of the security directive "Version G" clarifies the TSA's initial security directive, SD 1542-04-08F, and addresses some of the immediate, top-level concerns raised by NBAA and other general aviation groups about how the TSA's "badging" program would be implemented and what impact it might have on security and safety. Note: Due to the sensitive nature of the information included in the directive, the TSA has not made the full content of the document widely available. TSA has provided additional clarification on the impact of the SD to general aviation operations: As previously discussed, the purpose of the SD is to require background checks and identification for All PERSONS with UNESCORTED ACCESS to the SIDA and AOA at Commercial Airports. The affect of these badging SD's on General Aviation pilots will depend upon where they are operating: > For HOME-BASED PILOTS, the badging requirements will apply if you have leased space or are part of a tenant program unless alternate measures have been approved by the airport operator. An example of an alternative measure would be an escort program. > For TRANSIENT PILOTS, they will not be required to have airport badges or background checks from any of the NON Home-Based airports they visit. Transient pilots are advised to remain in the footprint of their aircraft and to and from fixed-based operator, service provider or airport exit. Special allowance will be given to transient pilot operators in the AOA who are fueling or in emergency status. -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372577#372577 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 14 YEAR UPDATE
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: May 07, 2012
Mike, Veeerrrrry cool. Love the unique wheel coverings. Nobody else has this to m y knowledge. Congratulations on your progress. Good job. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: 899PM <rockriverrifle(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 2:49 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: 14 YEAR UPDATE Had a great weekend. Got the wings mounted, struts cut and strut fittings rilled. While sitting back with a cold Porter and reflecting on the years, I ould swear I saw 899PM strain at the tail tiedown! -------- APA MIKE ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372568#372568 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4244_177.jpg -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 07, 2012
Subject: Re: off topic but of interest to pilots
From: joe motis <joemotis(at)gmail.com>
Hold on , they were standing at the base of the tower?? Who exactly did they talk to to get permission to land if it is a towered airport? At 2:00 in the afternoon one could assume the tower was open . Footprint of your airplane??? Do they have drive thru or folks on roller skates to bring you food anddo they roll the porta potty out to you ?No hundred dollar hamburger for you since they are closed at 2:00 I guess I am just kidding but have never heard of anything like this. Perhaps a TFR was in effect. No Archive Joe Motis On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:57 AM, John Greenlee wr ote: > ** ** > > This was a portion of an email I received from the TX Chapter of the > Antique Airplane Association. I don=92t know this individual or other > details. Can anyone verify what is going on here? Have any of y=92all h eard > of situations like this? **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Heads up from Dick Stephens: > > What you don't know could cost you $10,000 TSA Fine > > TSA is policing ****Tyler**** airport and gave a person a $10,000 ticket. > > I was there on a cross country flight with a student and parked at the > base of the tower. The restaurant was closed at 2:00 in the afternoon. We > decided to walk around the static aircraft exhibit to Tyler Jet. When we > entered Tyler Jet they were surprised and said "Where did you come from? We > didn't see you taxi in." We told them and they asked if we had an airport > clearance. They told us TSA had given a man a $10,000 fine and put him on a > no fly list. There were no signs or warnings. We were told we had to stay > in the foot print of our plane or have an escort. Tyler Jet said they wou ld > take us back to our plane when we were ready. > > That was a Big Surprise that could have cost us. Spread the word. > > Dick Stephens**** > > ** ** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 07, 2012
Subject: Re: off topic but of interest to pilots
From: joe motis <joemotis(at)gmail.com>
I love the internet >From good the good old EAA too. EAA News - TSA Issues Revised *Airport* Security Directive 8G<http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-05-29_8g.asp> www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-05-29_8g.asp May 29, 2009 ' =93For *transient pilots*, *they will not* be *required* t o *have airport badges* or *background checks* from *any* of the *non Home*-*Based airports they visit*.*Transient pilots* are *advised* to *remain* in the * footprint* of *their aircraft* and to and from *fixed*-*based operator*, *service provider* or *airport exit*. Special allowance will be*...* * * *No archive* * * *Joe Motis* On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:57 AM, John Greenlee wr ote: > ** ** > > This was a portion of an email I received from the TX Chapter of the > Antique Airplane Association. I don=92t know this individual or other > details. Can anyone verify what is going on here? Have any of y=92all h eard > of situations like this? **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Heads up from Dick Stephens: > > What you don't know could cost you $10,000 TSA Fine > > TSA is policing ****Tyler**** airport and gave a person a $10,000 ticket. > > I was there on a cross country flight with a student and parked at the > base of the tower. The restaurant was closed at 2:00 in the afternoon. We > decided to walk around the static aircraft exhibit to Tyler Jet. When we > entered Tyler Jet they were surprised and said "Where did you come from? We > didn't see you taxi in." We told them and they asked if we had an airport > clearance. They told us TSA had given a man a $10,000 fine and put him on a > no fly list. There were no signs or warnings. We were told we had to stay > in the foot print of our plane or have an escort. Tyler Jet said they wou ld > take us back to our plane when we were ready. > > That was a Big Surprise that could have cost us. Spread the word. > > Dick Stephens**** > > ** ** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Ruse" <steve(at)wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: off topic but of interest to pilots
Date: May 07, 2012
I've read 3rd-hand information of a GA pilot who went through something similar after landing at KDAL. Bad deal...TSA/Homeland Security have been given far too much power. These are agencies that never should've been created and now they will never go away. Here are some more details on the incidents I've heard of: http://www.dfwpilots.com/board/index.php?showtopic=5184 http://forums.aopa.org/showthread.php?t=52546 Google Scott Morse & Colorado Pilots Association for another similar story. Apparently pilots are being fined outrageous amounts for unknowingly being in the wrong place at towered airports. Sorry for the off-topic post. Then again, maybe it isn't off topic. There are plenty of these people who think we shouldn't be allowed to fly at all. Stuff like this puts us on a slippery slope. What I don't know is what I can do about it. Writing your representatives seems ineffective. Steve Ruse Norman, OK From: John Greenlee Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic but of interest to pilots This was a portion of an email I received from the TX Chapter of the Antique Airplane Association. I don't know this individual or other details. Can anyone verify what is going on here? Have any of y'all heard of situations like this? Heads up from Dick Stephens: What you don't know could cost you $10,000 TSA Fine TSA is policing Tyler airport and gave a person a $10,000 ticket. I was there on a cross country flight with a student and parked at the base of the tower. The restaurant was closed at 2:00 in the afternoon. We decided to walk around the static aircraft exhibit to Tyler Jet. When we entered Tyler Jet they were surprised and said "Where did you come from? We didn't see you taxi in." We told them and they asked if we had an airport clearance. They told us TSA had given a man a $10,000 fine and put him on a no fly list. There were no signs or warnings. We were told we had to stay in the foot print of our plane or have an escort. Tyler Jet said they would take us back to our plane when we were ready. That was a Big Surprise that could have cost us. Spread the word. Dick Stephens ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 14 YEAR UPDATE
Very nice indeed. It's been a long journey, but from what I can see, well worth the effort. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2012
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months"
Man I don't know, Latex paint, and a Corvair, you are asking for it!=C2- Just kidding ya Gary From Cool, Nice work.=C2- I should have our corvair latex rocket ship flying this weekend, as long as I don't have to install f loats due to the rain we have been getting. =C2- Shad --- On Sun, 5/6/12, Gary Boothe wrote: From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5(at)comcast.net> Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Mighty Corvair Again Roars to Life After 6 Months " Date: Sunday, May 6, 2012, 5:11 PM Just finished up some electrical loose ends, and, after having the airframe dismantled for fabric and paint, I just HAD to run it again =C2- http://youtu.be/JE0WxHGZxus =C2- Just need a volunteer to do another static run-up! (Curt Merdanwhe re are you?) =C2- Gary from Cool NX308MB =C2- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant(at)msn.com>
Subject: Fir available in Minneapolis
Date: May 08, 2012
Hey all=2C I have a couple of boards of nice clear fir I could offer to someone cheap - perhaps Dick Navratril. I purchased them a while back with the intention s of using them for spars but they didn't pan out. They'd make good materi al for the fuselage=2C ribs=2C tail=2C etc. but without a bunch of glue up =2C they wouldn't make good spars. Looking to get $50 for the 3+ boards th at are 3/4 thick=2C x 4 3/4" wide x 16'-0" long. Lemme know if you're interested - I don't want to ship so you'd have to pic k them up. If I don't sell=2C I'm thinking it will feed another project fo r someone (perhaps me) down the road=2C but currently I have all that I can do to work on my current project which was started in 2001 and is on sched ule to complete sometime before the next century. Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Fir available in Minneapolis
Date: May 08, 2012
Sorry Tom, I dont need any right now. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fir available in Minneapolis Hey all, I have a couple of boards of nice clear fir I could offer to someone cheap - perhaps Dick Navratril. I purchased them a while back with the intentions of using them for spars but they didn't pan out. They'd make good material for the fuselage, ribs, tail, etc. but without a bunch of glue up, they wouldn't make good spars. Looking to get $50 for the 3+ boards that are 3/4 thick, x 4 3/4" wide x 16'-0" long. Lemme know if you're interested - I don't want to ship so you'd have to pick them up. If I don't sell, I'm thinking it will feed another project for someone (perhaps me) down the road, but currently I have all that I can do to work on my current project which was started in 2001 and is on schedule to complete sometime before the next century. Tom B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: turnbuckle size
From: "Larry V" <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 08, 2012
Hello Today my trip to aircraft spruce in Brantford Can. I picked up 1 little bag and 750.00 worth of cable, thimbles, clevises, copper sleeves, turnbuckles and a couple of tools. When I got home I was just like a kid at Christmas time opening up the little packages. The problem is once I put together the turnbuckles they seem way to big. Size 155-32L With 170 eye and 161 fork The length with eye and fork screwed all the way in is 6 inches. I have one I bought that was a 155-16s and it looks way to small. I am using 1/8th 7-19 cable throughout the plane. I was wondering if any one could help me out with the turnbuckle size? Thanks Larry V Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372670#372670 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: ShortCut
Date: May 08, 2012
This is nuts! Of course none of us would EVER need this! http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/23183/how-to-make-a-woodworking-spri ng-clamp-out-of-pvc-drainpipe/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: ShortCut
Date: May 08, 2012
Rats! That's not the one that was supposed to come up! THIS one is! http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/22728/how-to-save-a-miscut-board-fro m-the-scrap-bin This is nuts! Of course none of us would EVER need this! http://www.finehomebuilding.com/item/23183/how-to-make-a-woodworking-spri ng-clamp-out-of-pvc-drainpipe/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Board stretcher
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 09, 2012
Really! ... I hope no one believed this, note the date posted, April 1st, 2012. Good one! -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372681#372681 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: turnbuckle size
Larry, the -32L body, the "L" indicates it is a long body as opposed to the short body, -32S. The forks and the eyes can also be odered long. If the LAST letter for each is the letter "L", they are long as well. Next to last letters indicate th read direction.-- -32LL left head thread, long. -32RL, right hand threa d, long.- -32 RS, right hand thread, short. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Board stretcher
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 09, 2012
Obviously fake... to go from 4 to 5 feet is NOT 20 percent like he says... However, if you read the comments, and look carefully, you'll see it's a knot remover as well. THAT could be useful. I imagine once stretched, the grain runout would be less as well. Lastly, if longer, but cross section dimensionally the same, it should weigh less per cubic volume, making it lighter and our planes will climb better! Seriously, this stuff has all kinds of uses! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372684#372684 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ShortCut
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 09, 2012
Clif: Do you know if that stuff works equally well on all types of wood? I'm wondering if I were to apply it to my wings if the spruce, birch and mahogany would all stretch equally. Seems like a good way to add 6' to the wings once they are fully constructed. rather than pulling with a simple come-along, I figure I could use a couple of trees tied to the root corners and pull on the wing tip bow with a Bobcat or something. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372690#372690 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Cone Gear for Magneto
From: "tkreiner" <tkreiner(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 09, 2012
Hey gang, I'm looking for a 1 3/4 inch long cone gear to fit an older Bendix magneto (SF4RN8), or a complete SF4RN8 core with gear. Hit me offline if you have one. Thanks, -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372692#372692 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Board stretcher
Date: May 09, 2012
Sometimes I just can't help myself! And my kids are three thousand miles away so they can't help me either! :-) Anyway, here's the other end of my brake system. Finally!! Clif "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." (Warren Buffett) > > Obviously fake... to go from 4 to 5 feet is NOT 20 percent like he says... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ShortCut
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 09, 2012
I couldn't lure anyone in? I tried to sound like I was buying it... guess it didn't work. Slow day... -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372725#372725 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: May 10, 2012
I am starting on the control system and have ordered all the steel except the "Streamlined tube No. 1667" that is stated on the plans for the bell crank. I have spoken with the supplier here in Australia who I have ordered the rest of the steel tube from and he has no idea about this. His "streamlined tube" is like the aerofoil shape the struts are made of. What are builders using? Scotty www.scottyspietenpol.com -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372730#372730 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Date: May 10, 2012
Scotty, yes to your question. I made mine from .032 4130. See here http://textors.com/DSCN4210.JPG Jack Textor DSM NX1929T -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:23 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. I am starting on the control system and have ordered all the steel except the "Streamlined tube No. 1667" that is stated on the plans for the bell crank. I have spoken with the supplier here in Australia who I have ordered the rest of the steel tube from and he has no idea about this. His "streamlined tube" is like the aerofoil shape the struts are made of. What are builders using? Scotty www.scottyspietenpol.com -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372730#372730 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
You can use the strut type tube, try to get a smaller version of it. (cross section.)- Or, you can use round tube and squeeze the ends.- Some I be lieve have just used flat plate. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: May 10, 2012
Thank you Jack....where did you get that drawing from? Its not what I was thinking! I was picturing a tube that had been squashed into an oval shape and crushed at each end...hhhmmm Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372734#372734 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: May 10, 2012
Michael....is that tube with the ends flattened? Thank you for the pics...Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372735#372735 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 10, 2012
Subject: four minute video of possible interest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkGNAqlkQnY Local friend and aviation film producer Adam White of Hemlock films (Red Ta il Reborn, Restorers, Doolittle Raiders They Were all Volunteers) came out to the hangar last week to film the Piet and I trying out his new Red Epic digital video camera. Evidently the Red Epic camera was hard for Adam to get because the producer s of some of the big movies like the Avengers and such used this camera and bought up the first 50 produced! Mike C. http://www.hemlockfilms.com/Hemlock_Films/Main.html [cid:image001.png(at)01CD2E84.E1AEEA30] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
From: "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: May 10, 2012
Scotty your vision is correct to plans. The drawing is from Ken Perkins. It allows for less slack in the cables. If the horn is mounted as high as possible the cables shouldn't touch the H stab. Kens number is 913-764-six nine four nine. Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On May 10, 2012, at 6:46 AM, "bubbleboy" wrote: > > Thank you Jack....where did you get that drawing from? Its not what I was thinking! I was picturing a tube that had been squashed into an oval shape and crushed at each end...hhhmmm > > Scotty > > -------- > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372734#372734 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: May 10, 2012
Scotty, There's no real need to use streamline tube, unless you happen to have a piece lying around. The bellcrank isn't (well, it SHOULDN'T be) exposed to moving air, since it's enclosed in the fuselage. You could use round tube, and flatten the ends, or add tabs to attach the cables, or, as Jack has done, make up your own belcrank from two formed pieces of sheet metal. You could also make a bellcrank from a flat piece of steel, but you really should put a bend in it to stiffen it, since a flat piece would need to have significant thickness to be stiff enough without a stiffening rib, and "significant thickness" means extra weight. bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372739#372739 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Yes, round tube, squeezed ends. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Date: May 10, 2012
I'm using a strip of .090 4130 steel 1 inch wide. If necessary, I will brace the strip on each side. If you're not a purist, you don't absolutely have to use tubing. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:23 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. > > > I am starting on the control system and have ordered all the steel except > the "Streamlined tube No. 1667" that is stated on the plans for the bell > crank. I have spoken with the supplier here in Australia who I have > ordered the rest of the steel tube from and he has no idea about this. His > "streamlined tube" is like the aerofoil shape the struts are made of. > > What are builders using? > > Scotty > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > -------- > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start > fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372730#372730 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2012
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: four minute video of possible interest
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From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Pietenpol International Relations
Date: May 10, 2012
=46rom the Holy Writ of Waldo, 2:50 - 3:01, "You better all grab your courage everybody, 'cause this is flying weather! Now I am talking five dollars for the best five minutes of your life." Last Friday my wife and I had the pleasure of hosting Eiichi Kurabayashi, a work colleague from Japan. He was attending a conference in Chicago and made the short drive to Madison to see our operation. Friday was all business with lots of bowing, me in a suit (I usually wear shorts to work), two-handed exchange of business cards (thanks Gary Boothe for the tip) and a business lunch. Eiichi let his guard down a bit and asked about hobbies. I told him I had a couple of airplanes and he looked at me and asked "Why two?" The obvious answer was because I did not have three! I asked him if he wanted to go flying and he immediately said yes. Plans were made for a Saturday adventure. We picked him up at his hotel in Madison and drove to Hartford, talking about cultural differences and really enjoying the drive. The weather was about 55 degrees and my plan was to take him up in the Cub with the window open but lower clamshell closed so he could take pictures and we could have the rumor of cabin heat. While prepping the Cub, he sat in the Piet with a helmet and goggles. My natural a$$holiness tried to take over and and shout the obvious WWII based stereotypes but the stink eye I got from my wife let me know that was not welcome. Taxiing to the gas pump, my new tailwheel was unlocking way too easily when applying rudder inputs. I decided, after going around the patch by myself, that it was not worth the small risk of scaring my guest on a slow groundloop if the tailwheel went into full swivel on the rollout. So, I looked at my guest and stated it was time for Plan B. 502Rocket was pushed out and we made a nice 30 minute flight around the area. I was in a hoodie and he kept the helmet on. It was a bit chilly but the windscreens Gene Pennington (RIP my friend) made a few years ago really keep the face area breeze free. The flight was a huge success and was capped off by a bratwurst lunch. Eiichi ate three of them. I really love sharing aviation. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: four minute video of possible interest
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: May 10, 2012
Very well done Mike! -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372761#372761 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another Burned Valve
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: May 10, 2012
In January of last year the number 3 exhaust valve burned & failed on my corvair. One of the recommended vendors did a great job getting the heads re-done and back to me. The failure occurred at 190 hours. On March 31st of this year the same valve failed in the same way. This event occurred at 290 hours. WW believes that a leak in the intake system on that side of the motor is likely causing the failure. The intake tubes were bolted onto the head and my primer entered the head at the stock carb base on that side of the motor. Given my inexperience at aircraft plumbing it would not be too great a leap to think that my sealing techniques may be the issue. (Every problem Ive had with FBG has been self-induced.) Mark P. has re-done the heads to include welding on intake runners. Ill replace my intake manifold with a WW version. These mods should eliminate the possibility of an intake leak. The other major difference in the heads is that Mark added valve rotators. Then there are my friends at UPS When I sent the heads to Mark, I transposed a number on his address. That delayed delivery for a week. My fault, but UPS response was dismal. The finished heads were supposed to be delivered to me yesterday. Turns out, they were on a train in Illinois that was derailed by a tornado. Now the UPS site says the heads are either, 1) on the truck for delivery today, or 2) still in Illinois. Im pretty frustrated, having lost the two best months of the fly-in season. Anyway, Ill have to modify the cowling at least a little but I hope the reinstallation goes well and Im flying by the 26th of May. Thinking happy thoughts in Austin. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372763#372763 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another Burned Valve
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: May 10, 2012
Kevin, despite your problems, youre having better luck with Mark P. than I am. I handed him my heads at corvair college 20 in Hinsdale, MI on June 4 of last year. Not a word from him since. He hasnt returned my calls to his business, cell phone and email. Dont know if I will ever see my heads again. -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372765#372765 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: May 10, 2012
I mentioned a few months ago that my original wood struts were delaminating. The Sainted Gary Boothe made me new ones which are going strong and look great. Anyway, as I was moving to a new hangar a couple of months ago I needed to get rid of the old struts. They would fit in the dumpster better if I broke them in two. Destructive Test 1): I put one end of a strut on the u-haul bumper and the other end on the ground. I attempted to stomp in the middle of the strut to get it to break. The only thing that came close to being broken was my ankle. It wouldve taken a lot more than my 200 pounds stomping on that strut to get it to fail. Destructive Test 2): Cut same strut half way through and repeated Test 1. Again, the only thing close to breaking was my ankle. Destructive Test 3): Cut same strut until less then was left intact and repeated Test 1. This time, after several stomps and much protest, the strut gave way. Destructive Test 4): Having determined that the only way to destroy the struts was to cut them up, I took the opportunity to inspect the delaminating portions. Turns out, the delaminations went in about 1/8 and the rest of the glue joints were intact. I've mentioned this before: the fitting attach bolt holes at the ends of the struts showed no signs of distress. Not exactly scientific, but it's real. The struts had ~260 hours and several hundred landings on them. For what its worth. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372766#372766 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 10, 2012
That's more testing than I've done. Thanks for sharing the details. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372768#372768 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol International Relations
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 10, 2012
Awesome! That's good stuff. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372769#372769 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2012
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Another Burned Valve
Kevin: One thing you might want to try after you get your heads back is the vacuum cleaner check. Basically you hook up a vacuum cleaner to the head so that the blower side of the vacuum pressurizes the intake. Then use a little soapy water and slosh it liberally around any place that might harbour an air leak. If there is one you will see bubbles. My friend here in McPherson running a Corvair with welded intakes on his Zenith 601 experienced detonation that forced rebuilding one of his heads. Turns out there was a pin hole in the weld that could not be seen with the naked eye but which showed up quickly with this test. Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. >>> "kevinpurtee" 5/10/2012 12:30 PM >>> In January of last year the number 3 exhaust valve burned & failed on my corvair. One of the recommended vendors did a great job getting the heads re-done and back to me. The failure occurred at 190 hours. On March 31st of this year the same valve failed in the same way. This event occurred at 290 hours. WW believes that a leak in the intake system on that side of the motor is likely causing the failure. The intake tubes were bolted onto the head and my primer entered the head at the stock carb base on that side of the motor. Given my inexperience at aircraft plumbing it would not be too great a leap to think that my sealing techniques may be the issue. (Every problem Ive had with FBG has been self-induced.) Mark P. has re-done the heads to include welding on intake runners. Ill replace my intake manifold with a WW version. These mods should eliminate the possibility of an intake leak. The other major difference in the heads is that Mark added valve rotators. Then there are my friends at UPS| When I sent the heads to Mark, I transposed a number on his address. That delayed delivery for a week. My fault, but UPS response was dismal. The finished heads were supposed to be delivered to me yesterday. Turns out, they were on a train in Illinois that was derailed by a tornado. Now the UPS site says the heads are either, 1) on the truck for delivery today, or 2) still in Illinois. Im pretty frustrated, having lost the two best months of the fly-in season. Anyway, Ill have to modify the cowling at least a little but I hope the reinstallation goes well and Im flying by the 26th of May. Thinking happy thoughts in Austin. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372763#372763 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: May 10, 2012
Thank you everyone for your comments. If I was to use tube and squash each end, do I need to heat the ends first and squash them while hot? Metal work is not my comfort zone so im treading very carefully here and want to get it right. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372774#372774 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
From: "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: May 10, 2012
Scotty I too shied away from heating metal before working. Its actually easy and works better that way. If you squish it in a vise make sure the jaws are smooth or covered with smooth metal. Experiment with some scrap heating till red, it doesn't take that much heat. Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On May 10, 2012, at 4:04 PM, "bubbleboy" wrote: > > Thank you everyone for your comments. If I was to use tube and squash each end, do I need to heat the ends first and squash them while hot? Metal work is not my comfort zone so im treading very carefully here and want to get it right. > > Scotty > > -------- > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372774#372774 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 10, 2012
Hey Kevin (or Gary), Could you post some detailed pics of the end fittings? I'm sure I took some last Brodhead, but I can't for the life of me find where I downloaded them... Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372777#372777 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 10, 2012
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Another Burned Valve
Kevin, Do you do a compression test on your cylinders at your ann. conditio n inspections?- I was just currious if it something you caught before it became symtamatic, or did the engine start running rough?- Knock Knock, t he only valve issues we have had is lead build up on the intake valves, whi ch was caught with a differential compression check.- We were able to cle an them without removing the head, with the old rope trick.- I am hoping to get ours out this weekend after I get done shoveling gravel and working on the house.- With any luck I might be able to make it to brodhead for a couple days this year.- Good luck, if I can help with any advise let me know, if I don't know the answer I can make up stuff with big words. - Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts
Date: May 10, 2012
Kevin - Take a knee, buddy...I got this... Tools, Pictured is Kevin's forward and rearward upper mountings (picture on the left with his old struts, on the right with the new). He chose to give himself some adjustment (on the rear strut?). I'm way too simple to understand wash-in / wash-out (Kevin, being a fling-wing pilot, understands all that complicated stuff like blade precession, etc.), so I will be employing the attachment on the left, for all 16 points. I noticed some time back that Douwe had set his up that way, and when I asked him how to make adjustments, he said he couldn't.just measure carefully. I decided that, if I could build an airplane, I could measure carefully. St. Gary NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts n0kkj(at)yahoo.com> Hey Kevin (or Gary), Could you post some detailed pics of the end fittings? I'm sure I took some last Brodhead, but I can't for the life of me find where I downloaded them... Thanks! Read this topic online here: <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372777#372777> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372777#372777 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 10, 2012
Wow, simple enough. Are those AN4's or one size larger? Are they lined up, or staggered a bit (can't quite tell by the photo, look lined up with each other)? What's the spacing (can probably come close with a educated guess, but if you have it handy...)? Lastly, insofar as "measuring carefully, no washout or anything, right? Just maintain the same incidence set by lift struts? Thanks again! Crazy quick, really appreciate that. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372781#372781 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Another Burned Valve
Date: May 10, 2012
".if I don't know the answer I can make up stuff with big words." THAT's the spirit, Shad! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Another Burned Valve Kevin, Do you do a compression test on your cylinders at your ann. condition inspections? I was just currious if it something you caught before it became symtamatic, or did the engine start running rough? Knock Knock, the only valve issues we have had is lead build up on the intake valves, which was caught with a differential compression check. We were able to clean them without removing the head, with the old rope trick. I am hoping to get ours out this weekend after I get done shoveling gravel and working on the house. With any luck I might be able to make it to brodhead for a couple days this year. Good luck, if I can help with any advise let me know, if I don't know the answer I can make up stuff with big words. Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts
Date: May 10, 2012
Kevin will have to answer for his. Mine are AN3, with an AN5 bracket-to-wing attach. Brackets are about 6" long, with AN3's unevenly spaced from 1 1/2" to 2", in a straight line.....AND NOT FLIGHT TESTED! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts Wow, simple enough. Are those AN4's or one size larger? Are they lined up, or staggered a bit (can't quite tell by the photo, look lined up with each other)? What's the spacing (can probably come close with a educated guess, but if you have it handy...)? Lastly, insofar as "measuring carefully, no washout or anything, right? Just maintain the same incidence set by lift struts? Thanks again! Crazy quick, really appreciate that. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372781#372781 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Attaching wood struts
Date: May 10, 2012
Tools, Here's some more that I pulled off of www.westcoastpiet.com a long time ago. St. Gary NX308MB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Another Burned Valve
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: May 10, 2012
@Shad: Both failures showed themselves very quickly when the little chunk of valve physically broke off and apparently left through the exhaust pipe. It lost 100 rpm and the engine ran a little rougher. Looking forward to the big words:). -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372791#372791 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Destructive Testing of Wooden Lift Struts
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: May 10, 2012
Thanks, Gary:). @Mike: the bolts bolting the fittings to the struts are AN4 and the bolts bolting the fittings to the wings are AN5 or 6. If the bolt holes on the fitting are staggered it's because I couldn't drill the holes in a straight line. I have used the threaded adjustment feature on the two aft fittings to make the airplane fly straighter. It would certainly be flyable without the adjustment but I'm glad I have the ability to tweak it. Gentle, hardly-noticeable turns are fine in the traffic pattern. They get tedious on cross country flights. A general thought for builders considering wood struts: if you're worried about the design considerations associated with wood struts then you may want to keep it simple and build to the plans. Can't go wrong doing that. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372796#372796 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2012
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: NX92GB getin close
Well it's 3am and I just came in from the hangar, got the piet just about r eady for engine runs, leak checks.- Had to take the top cover off the fue l tank (center section), to clean it up so I can re-seal the filler neck, a s we got a little water, and fuel running down there last summer at Brodhea d.- I also had to put a flush patch on the cowling where a crack had been propigating.- Got it all primed and painted, just ned to re seal the cow ling exsaust lip on the bottom of the cowl with pro seal and check the timi ng etc.- I'd better get my butt to bed, because I got to get up at 8 am a nd start working on the patio so I can go flying on saturday.- To Kevin: I am too tired to come up with big words of BS at the moment, I'll try agai n later. - Shad NX92GB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: May 11, 2012
Thanks Jack...will give it a try! Once squashed, do I let it cool normally or dip it in Oil/water? -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372807#372807 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <catdesigns(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
Date: May 11, 2012
Scott Just heat it up, squish then let it cool slowly in a draft free location. By the way, if it starts to get hard to squish, you need to heat it again. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:18 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question. --> Thanks Jack...will give it a try! Once squashed, do I let it cool normally or dip it in Oil/water? -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372807#372807 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: May 11, 2012
Thanks Chris...its been 25 years since I have done this kind of thing at school! Thanks mate! -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372809#372809 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bell crank streamlined tube No. 1667 question.
From: "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: May 11, 2012
What Chris said, cool on its own. Dipping in oil would temper it and you would cuss when drilling Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On May 11, 2012, at 3:17 AM, "bubbleboy" wrote: > > Thanks Jack...will give it a try! Once squashed, do I let it cool normally or dip it in Oil/water? > > -------- > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372807#372807 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Carb heat knob
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: May 11, 2012
Where can I find a carb heat knob and cable assembly which has an old style brass or metal knob. I have seen the assemblies with plastic knobs but want something in brass or the like. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372811#372811 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: cover adhesive
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 11, 2012
Hello, Between structure jobs and others thing I begin to cover the rudder and the stabilizer to practice and learn about the covering process. I bought a book from Poly-Fiber, read an other one from the 70's wich talk about all the differents technics (even fiberglass..), and after all and with the resources I have I decide to coverit with Dacron fabric and polytak. It is easy, and the finall result is excelent. But.. I had a big problem... I can not find Poly-Tak in my country, buy it in Aircraftspruce it is a possibility, but cost USS 300 the delivery cost because it is a "dangerous product".. I bought a qt in Argentina, very expensive, few months ago, so I use Poly tak just for the borders joins, all the other jobs like the reinforced tapes I use conctact cement, and as I can saw it work perfect, the only problem I found is that you have just one opportunuty to do the job, you can not make adjusts, so some little wrinkles in the curved parts result. Why nobody use contact cement?, I am talking about the one based on toluol, the one you have to brush both surfaces, wait some minutes and join them... It is very strong as I can see, with care is easy to apply, is cheep, but I can imagine that in big fabric pieces could be difficult ti apply. Is there another reason because nobody use it it? regards. Mario -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372813#372813 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Carb heat knob
Date: May 11, 2012
You could make your own, Scotty! Those plastic knobs just screw off and on. Get a chunk of brass, 1"x1", drill it, tap it (now you have a way to hold it in the vise), then start filing. It'll keep you out of the pub for at least 2 nights... St. Gary NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bubbleboy Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 4:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob --> Where can I find a carb heat knob and cable assembly which has an old style brass or metal knob. I have seen the assemblies with plastic knobs but want something in brass or the like. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372811#372811 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: cover adhesive
Date: May 11, 2012
Mario, Two questions you may ask (well, there are lots of questions, like: Is it flammable?), but two that come to mind are: 1) How does UV affect contact cement? 2) What holding power does it have at 100 knots? 150 knots? You may never find the answer to those questions, because; A) it's never been tested, B) it performed so badly that it's not a good consideration. I have used Polytak and have nothing bad to say about it. Given your shipping issues, though, you may want to take a look at Stewart Systems Eko-bond. That's what I used this time around and it is very easy to work with! It's a zero VOC product and you should have an easier time with shipping. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 5:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cover adhesive --> Hello, Between structure jobs and others thing I begin to cover the rudder and the stabilizer to practice and learn about the covering process. I bought a book from Poly-Fiber, read an other one from the 70's wich talk about all the differents technics (even fiberglass..), and after all and with the resources I have I decide to coverit with Dacron fabric and polytak. It is easy, and the finall result is excelent. But.. I had a big problem... I can not find Poly-Tak in my country, buy it in Aircraftspruce it is a possibility, but cost USS 300 the delivery cost because it is a "dangerous product".. I bought a qt in Argentina, very expensive, few months ago, so I use Poly tak just for the borders joins, all the other jobs like the reinforced tapes I use conctact cement, and as I can saw it work perfect, the only problem I found is that you have just one opportunuty to do the job, you can not make adjusts, so some little wrinkles in the curved parts result. Why nobody use contact cement?, I am talking about the one based on toluol, the one you have to brush both surfaces, wait some minutes and join them... It is very strong as I can see, with care is easy to apply, is cheep, but I can imagine that in big fabric pieces could be difficult ti apply. Is there another reason because nobody use it it? regards. Mario -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372813#372813 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: cover adhesive
From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 11, 2012
Why perform badly?.. not talk about UV, what are the others reasons? I make some home test with dacron, contact cement, wood, and dacron, polytak, wood, and the contact cement example was too much stronger in peel off and sheer than the polytak one; may be we are talking about differnts adhesives or may be it perform bad over the time? I like the polytak, it is a matter of price and disponibility, nothing else. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372817#372817 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2012
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Fw: Fwd: glass steam engine
Now here is a good pietenpol engine. Kinda sounds like the ford A model. Gardiner ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: William E. Richardson <ainslierich(at)msn.com> Tax ; Bud Coward ; Gardiner Mason ; "Ken Fosdick, PYM" ; Mike Tenney - (H) ; Oakley Weyant ; Richard Ludders ; Stephen Adams ; Tom Maher ; Walter Lockhart Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 6:47:31 PM Subject: Fwd: glass steam engine Subject: glass steam engine > >For the engineers out there > >http://redux.com/stream/item/2134517/Working-Model-of-Stephenson-s-STEAM-ENGINE-made-of-GLASS-Rare > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2012
From: santiago morete <moretesantiago(at)yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: cover adhesive
Hola Mario,-=0A=0AYou can use contact cement, that's what most people hav e been using here for many many years without any problems.-=0A=0ASaludos =0A=0ASantiago ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Carb heat knob
Date: May 11, 2012
Knobs can be found here: http://www.reidsupply.com/detail.aspx?itm=BBF-75 Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 6:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb heat knob > > > Where can I find a carb heat knob and cable assembly which has an old > style brass or metal knob. I have seen the assemblies with plastic knobs > but want something in brass or the like. > > Scotty > > -------- > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start > fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372811#372811 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: four minute video of possible interest
Date: May 11, 2012
Very nice video, Mike. I have been looking at different camera options to mount on the Piet and want something more than a Go Pro. The Epic Red looked like just the thing I wanted. Here is a nice video of it's capabilities: http://vimeo.com/25424362 I recommend watching it full screen,1080 resolution and crank the volume. Very nice. Then I checked out the list prices of these cameras, $40,000 - $70,000 depending on options. I don't think I'm getting an Epic Red.... Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:14 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: four minute video of possible interest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkGNAqlkQnY Local friend and aviation film producer Adam White of Hemlock films (Red Tail Reborn, Restorers, Doolittle Raiders They Were all Volunteers) came out to the hangar last week to film the Piet and I trying out his new Red Epic digital video camera. Evidently the Red Epic camera was hard for Adam to get because the producers of some of the big movies like the Avengers and such used this camera and bought up the first 50 produced! Mike C. http://www.hemlockfilms.com/Hemlock_Films/Main.html ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Carb heat knob
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: May 11, 2012
Greg...thanks mate...a great start! -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372891#372891 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: any subaru ea 81 piets?
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 12, 2012
in planning stages of piet build. would like opinion of any piet builders, fliers that have experience with a piet powered by a ea81. when younger, i would buy, fix and sell subarus quite a bit, great engine. any regrets? things to do differently? any problems hand propping? ive hand propped while working at banner towing operation, from 85 hp to 180 hp and have heard the subaru kicks back with electronic ignition but much better with distributor? please enlighten me. paul donahue Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372908#372908 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: May 12, 2012
Subject: pleasant times with Axel and It girl
Last week, I spent a lovely Saturday supper with Axel and the "IT" Girl. She is an awesome cook. She also is a very good furniture maker. Funny to hear them describe arguments over who is using what woodworking tools in their Garage/woodworking shop. Great conversations with a lot of lies being told. But truth be told I really wanted a flight in his Piet. Too bad it is down due to a burned valve. Thanks for your hospitality. Steve "That may not be the way it happened! But that is how I remember it!" D. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: pleasant times with Axel and It girl
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: May 12, 2012
Still licking my chops thinking about the grub the IT girl shared at Brodhe ad last year. Thank you Shelly, most gracious one. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 11:28 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: pleasant times with Axel and It girl steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> Last week, I spent a lovely Saturday supper with Axel and the "IT" Girl. Sh e is n awesome cook. She also is a very good furniture maker. Funny to hear them escribe arguments over who is using what woodworking tools in their arage/woodworking shop. Great conversations with a lot of lies being told. But truth be told I real ly anted a flight in his Piet. Too bad it is down due to a burned valve. Thanks for your hospitality. Steve "That may not be the way it happened! But that is how I remember it!" D. -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 12, 2012
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: NX92GB back in the air
Finnaly got the piet back in air, flew her about a half hour and had to com e in and get ready to go to dinner for my 5th wedd. anniversery.- Gotta g o, I'm In trouble, running late. - Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets?
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Date: May 12, 2012
Paul the only one I have knowledge of is one in the UK. He was not really satisfied with it's performance and changed it out for a Rotax 912 ULS. His story is attached on pdf file format. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372930#372930 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets?
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: May 12, 2012
Hi Paul...Andrew Carter has one here in Australia. I have flown it with him and it was very nice to fly! Plenty of power and if I hadnt of committed to a Corvair already, I would be going down the EA81 road for sure! Have a look at Andrews site http://www.pietenpol.com.au/ Andrew is a very nice guy and knowledgeable with the setup so email him. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372932#372932 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1020181_640x480_188.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets?
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 12, 2012
thankyou, ill check out his site. paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372933#372933 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets?
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 12, 2012
love your website scotty. i love to look at these various websites for ideas and encouragement. thank you. paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372937#372937 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets?
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3(at)bigpond.com>
Date: May 12, 2012
Glad you like it Paul. Andrews EA81 has an Amax redrive on it if my memory serves me correctly. All that info is on his site anyhow. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372939#372939 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets?
Date: May 13, 2012
Wasn't that the engine that John Dilatush put in "Mountain Piet"? The one that had a total power failure? Not too sure as that was several years ago. Greg Bacon is rebuilding the airplane and might know what engine John had in it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets? Paul the only one I have knowledge of is one in the UK. He was not really satisfied with it's performance and changed it out for a Rotax 912 ULS. His story is attached on pdf file format. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372930#372930 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets?
Date: May 13, 2012
Close, but not an EA81. The engine in Mountain Piet is a turbocharged EA82. He had two engine failures, both caused by an unsecured air connection on the intake manifold. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 5:59 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets? > > > Wasn't that the engine that John Dilatush put in "Mountain Piet"? The one > that had a total power failure? Not too sure as that was several years > ago. > Greg Bacon is rebuilding the airplane and might know what engine John had > in > it. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry > Dotson > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:22 PM > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets? > > > > Paul the only one I have knowledge of is one in the UK. He was not really > satisfied with it's performance and changed it out for a Rotax 912 ULS. > His > story is attached on pdf file format. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > thru covering and painting, now in final assembly > 21" wheels > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372930#372930 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: A great Piet day
From: woodflier(at)aol.com
Date: May 13, 2012
Yesterday, I participated in a Young Eagles rally at South Boston, Va. 73 k ids were flown, including 9 in my Piet. Mike Denton flew over in his Piet f rom Clarksville and we had a good time comparing and contrasting. I admire Mike's ability to work with what he had to produce an honest airplane. Hope to see you again, Mike. Maybe we can put together a Piet flyin for those o f us in Virginia and North Carolina. After the Young Eagles rally, I flew down to Triangle North Airport near Lo uisburg, NC and met Chuck Borsuk. Chuck is building a Piet in a hangar ther e. Looks like most of his wood work is done and a lot of his steel fittings . Very nice workmanship! Great meeting both of you. One of the best things about the Pietenpol is th e people you meet who are building or flying them. Matt Paxton ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: any subaru ea 81 piets?
Date: May 14, 2012
At the risk of muddying the waters and stirring the pot with my cloudy memo ry=2C I'll interject a comment about the last engine failure that John Dila tush had in "Mountain Piet". I thought he told me that he overboosted the engine and that's what led to the failure. I thought he said that he had t he engine set up with completely manual control of turbo boost and on takeo ff when a lot of things are going on=2C it spooled up and overboosted befor e he could back off the manifold pressure. John is a skilled pilot=2C talented builder=2C and an engineer (if memory s erves). He preferred to have pilot control of turbo boost rather than a fi xed waste-gate arrangement=2C and that's the builder's decision. My two ce nts' worth=2C and maybe not even worth that. There are still pictures of "Mountain Piet" on my website=2C including engi ne pix=2C here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford/Ashland=2C OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: any subaru ea 81 piets?
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 14, 2012
thanks oscar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373035#373035 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 14, 2012
Subject: wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade tracking
Being somewhat of a lazy sort about some things I've let my annual prop rel ax-and-retorque of the bolts go a few years and even more importantly had not balanced or tracked the pr op in a while. Last fall I was experiencing some vibrations that were a bit annoying in fl ight so a few weeks ago I removed my prop, sanded it all down and refinished it. Ala the Tony Bingelis book s I balanced the prop with a simple home made balancing tool and used appropriate amounts of clear spray lacque r on the light blade (allowing it to dry overnight) to get a perfect balance. I tracked the prop with appropriate shims (brown grocery store bag folded b ehind the prop works just fine) again ala the Bingelis books and boy what a difference after it was all final tor qued and done. Smooth and silky on takeoff and in cruise. It really makes a huge differe nce to take the time to balance, torque, and track your wood prop on a regular basis. Metal props can benefit fro m the same treatment but with the weather extremes in temperature and humidity changes in Ohio wood props need a bit more annual TLC. It paid off nicely. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade tracking
Date: May 14, 2012
Beautiful, Mike. How far off was the tracking? How close were you able to adjust it? Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade tracking Being somewhat of a lazy sort about some things I've let my annual prop relax-and-retorque of the bolts go a few years and even more importantly had not balanced or tracked the prop in a while. Last fall I was experiencing some vibrations that were a bit annoying in flight so a few weeks ago I removed my prop, sanded it all down and refinished it. Ala the Tony Bingelis books I balanced the prop with a simple home made balancing tool and used appropriate amounts of clear spray lacquer on the light blade (allowing it to dry overnight) to get a perfect balance. I tracked the prop with appropriate shims (brown grocery store bag folded behind the prop works just fine) again ala the Bingelis books and boy what a difference after it was all final torqued and done. Smooth and silky on takeoff and in cruise. It really makes a huge difference to take the time to balance, torque, and track your wood prop on a regular basis. Metal props can benefit from the same treatment but with the weather extremes in temperature and humidity changes in Ohio wood props need a bit more annual TLC. It paid off nicely. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Brodhead Fly-in 2012
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 15, 2012
I can't wait! The South-Central Scout Squadron is really starting to take shape! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373091#373091 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 15, 2012
Subject: wood prop balancing, torqing, and blade tracking
Greg- 9" from the tip my one blade was about 3/16" out of track. After I d id several iterations of tightening, shimming, loosening, repeat I was able to get the track with in about 1/32" of an inch which is the closest I've ever had it to true. The paperwork that came wi th my prop said 1/16" was acceptable. Mike P. is right, the finish was horrible but I still decided to keep it an d not give the prop away. It is my air conditioning system too. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 15, 2012
Subject: flying formation cross country and avgas prices
I agree with Jack in that flying cross country with another Piet is really, really enjoyable. It makes the time go by faster and makes for some really good memories. Being out of the flying loop for a while I didn't realize how expensive av gas has gotten. I flew to a nearby field yesterday and took 9.1 gallons and it ran $53.24. That's about 2 hours of flying time. Still way cheaper than a big engine airplane but way more expensive than it was even 5 years ago. I calculated that newly certified Piet using a 65 hp Continental burning 4. 3 gph would cost the owner/pilot just over $1,000 just to fly off the 40 hours of test flying time. No won der I don't see too many little airplanes burning up the skies around here anymore. In the big scheme of things though us open cockpit pilots north of the Maso n Dixon only fly about 20-35 hours per summer so that's not a lot of fuel money when you compare it with hanga r rent and insurance, oil, and beer and pizza thrown in. Mike C. PS- Was a fun flight last night. 9 minutes (non-stop, unrefueled) to Elyr ia Airport then 6 minutes back. No inflight meal service was provided. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2012
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices
Hey Michael, You only need 25 hrs with a certified engine like the cont 65. =0ACheers, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFr om: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" =0ATo: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" =0AS ent: Tue, May 15, 2012 11:09:52 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: flying format ion cross country and avgas prices=0A=0A=0A =0AI agree with Jack in that fl ying cross country with another Piet is really, =0Areally enjoyable. It ma kes the=0Atime go by faster and makes for some really good memories. =0A =0ABeing out of the flying loop for a while I didn=99t realize how e xpensive avgas =0Ahas gotten. I flew to a nearby=0Afield yesterday and too k 9.1 gallons and it ran $53.24. That=99s about 2 hours =0Aof fly ing time. Still way cheaper=0Athan a big engine airplane but way more exp ensive than it was even 5 years ago. =0A =0AI calculated that newly certifi ed Piet using a 65 hp Continental burning 4.3 gph =0Awould cost the owner/p ilot=0Ajust over $1,000 just to fly off the 40 hours of test flying time. No wonder I =0Adon=99t see too many little airplanes=0Aburning up th e skies around here anymore. =0A =0AIn the big scheme of things though us o pen cockpit pilots north of the Mason =0ADixon only fly about 20-35 hours =0Aper summer so that=99s not a lot of fuel money when you compare it with hangar =0Arent and insurance, oil, and beer=0Aand pizza thrown in. =0A =0AMike C.=0A =0A =0APS- Was a fun flight last night. 9 minutes (non- stop, unrefueled) to Elyria =0AAirport then 6 minutes back. No inflight =0Ameal service was provided. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Graham Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
Subject: Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices
Date: May 15, 2012
I hadn't flown my Pietenpol since last October and have been waiting for some decent weather and temperatures all spring. Finally, on Sunday the thirteenth it was obviously a "Pietenpol evening" and we went flying. It was great to be "back in the saddle" again after being restricted to closed-cabin airplanes for so long. I have been using regular unleaded auto fuel in the Piet for a long time. I drained it and replaced it with 100LL avgas last fall because auto fuel isn't very stable and over time can gum up the carburetor. When I flew the Piet the other evening I noticed that the engine (C85-12F) generally ran better on 100LL. With auto fuel, it always tended to buck a bit when initially increasing revs through the 1000 - 1300 RPM range. Once the engine was thoroughly warmed up this phenomenon disappeared and engine operation was normal. With 100LL there was no roughness or hesitation at all, even when the engine was not completely warmed up. Possibly others have notice the same thing when using auto fuel. Now that auto fuel contains ethanol and the amount of this stuff per gallon will likely increase, we may have some real problems. This does not bode well for the future, in my humble opinion. The main incentive for using auto fuel is price. In US gallons, regular auto fuel here is about $4.50 (+) per gallon and 100LL avgas is about $6.00 (+) per gallon, and the trend is upward. As Mike C. observed, there are fewer little airplanes "burning up the skies", here in Alberta, Canada as well as where he lives. Having been flying for over 61 years, I fear I have seen the best of it--but still hope I am wrong. Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2012
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices
Correct me if I am wrong. (It has been known to happen.) But just because it was originally a certified aircraft engine like a Continental 65, does not mean it remains certified unless all the work done to it was by a properly certificated A & P and all the records therefor are still with the engine. Or is it that it can be recertified by having an A & P log it as still to original specifications? Tom Stinemetze N328X (one of these days) >>> airlion 5/15/2012 1:32 PM >>> Hey Michael, You only need 25 hrs with a certified engine like the cont 65. Cheers, Gardiner ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 15, 2012
Subject: Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices
From: "bradandlinda tds.net" <bradandlinda(at)tds.net>
I believe the prop also has to be certified for that engine to use the 25hr rule. On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:59 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > > Correct me if I am wrong. (It has been known to happen.) But just because > it was originally a certified aircraft engine like a Continental 65, does > not mean it remains certified unless all the work done to it was by a > properly certificated A & P and all the records therefor are still with the > engine. Or is it that it can be recertified by having an A & P log it as > still to original specifications? > > Tom Stinemetze > N328X (one of these days) > > >>> airlion 5/15/2012 1:32 PM >>> > Hey Michael, You only need 25 hrs with a certified engine like the cont > 65. Cheers, Gardiner > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: flying formation cross country and avgas prices
Date: May 15, 2012
But...If the Cont. 65 has ever been installed on a homebuilt before, it no longer is a certified engine. I ran into this while installing a C-85 on my J3 Cub. The engine had been on a flybaby for less than 10 hours (and it was in the log book). So it had to be torn down and every part checked and certified to make it a certified engine again and legal to install on the Cub. After all, the insurance companies just love a screw-up like that so they don't have to pay off in case of a claim. IOW, just because it looks like a cont 65 does not mean that it is still certified. Barry _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying formation cross country and avgas prices Hey Michael, You only need 25 hrs with a certified engine like the cont 65. Cheers, Gardiner _____ From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 11:09:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying formation cross country and avgas prices I agree with Jack in that flying cross country with another Piet is really, really enjoyable. It makes the time go by faster and makes for some really good memories. Being out of the flying loop for a while I didn't realize how expensive avgas has gotten. I flew to a nearby field yesterday and took 9.1 gallons and it ran $53.24. That's about 2 hours of flying time. Still way cheaper than a big engine airplane but way more expensive than it was even 5 years ago. I calculated that newly certified Piet using a 65 hp Continental burning 4.3 gph would cost the owner/pilot just over $1,000 just to fly off the 40 hours of test flying time. No wonder I don't see too many little airplanes burning up the skies around here anymore. In the big scheme of things though us open cockpit pilots north of the Mason Dixon only fly about 20-35 hours per summer so that's not a lot of fuel money when you compare it with hangar rent and insurance, oil, and beer and pizza thrown in. Mike C. PS- Was a fun flight last night. 9 minutes (non-stop, unrefueled) to Elyria Airport then 6 minutes back. No inflight meal service was provided. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 15, 2012
Subject: certified engine/prop combination and avgas prices
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From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: flying formation cross country and avgas prices
Date: May 16, 2012
Graham=3B I am very curious to know what carb you have on your C85. My A65 with Stro mberg carb never did like auto gas as well as it did avgas=2C but the probl em I had with it was dribbling from the carb and flooding when trying to st art the engine using auto gas. I set up the float level very carefully=2C but there seems to be just enough difference between the viscosity or speci fic gravity of auto gas and avgas that the float level needs to be adjusted ever so slightly differently when running one vs. the other. I have since run the A65 and the A75 exclusively on 100LL but was thinking of trying au to gas on the A75 in case it was just the Stromberg on the 65 that didn't l ike auto gas. Cost of fuel is a minor factor=2C given the minimal number o f hours that I fly=2C but convenience is another matter. There is not avga s on the field at San Geronimo but there are gas stations up and down the h ighway from the field and it's far easier to get 5 gallons of auto gas than it is to fly to Castroville or Hondo to fuel up. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford/Ashland=2C OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2012
Subject: Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices
From: Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge(at)gmail.com>
Speaking of Group flights to Broadhead. Is anyone considering making the trip from the mountain West. I'm THINKING about making the trip, with a probability less than 0.5. As long as I'm thinking, I thought I'd ask if anyone was flying from out this way or would be interested in linking up on the ground. -- Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Graham Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
Subject: Re: flying formation cross country and avgas prices
Date: May 16, 2012
Oscar; The carburetor on my Piet's C85 is a Stromberg. It doesn't leak or overflow with auto gas, but does seem to run a bit rich when starting and warming up. Hence the roughness when increasing the revs through the 1000 to 1300 RPM range. Once it "clears its throat", so to speak, it operates normally. The specific gravity of our auto gas seems to be close to that of avgas and I use the specified float level for the Stromberg carbs. Perhaps the SG of auto gas is variable according to region and yours may differ from ours. I dunno. The addition of ethanol may affect the SG, too. My Wag-A-Bond's (Piper PA17 clone) A65 has a Stromberg carburetor and in 530 hours has never tasted avgas. I have been conducting an experiment to see how an A65 would do using auto gas exclusively. So far, so good. (It does exhibit the same behaviour as the C85 in the Pietenpol, but not to the same degree.) I agree with you in that the price difference between avgas and auto gas is not too significant considering the amount of fuel we use and it is often a matter of convenience when choosing one over the other. That said, I hate auto gas because it smells bad and stinks up everything it touches. Avgas has a pleasant odor; one of the smells that stimulate old aviators to go flying. Cheers, Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75
Date: May 16, 2012
Oscar Hi! I use only Mogas (unleaded) in my Continental A75 with Stromberg Carb. No problems with performance or odd behaviour. I can and would use Avgas if that only available. ONly mixed the fuel on pick up but no problems. Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Close to covering
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: May 16, 2012
I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then fabric.. Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece.. been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges to tighten things up.. Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks.. jeff faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373169#373169 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wpf_171.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ws1_768.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Subject: Close to covering
Date: May 16, 2012
Looks great Jeff.....How long did it take to build, it seems like only 6 months. :) Brian SLC-Ut -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Close to covering --> I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then fabric.. Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece.. been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges to tighten things up.. Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks.. jeff faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373169#373169 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wpf_171.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ws1_768.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2012
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Close to covering
1 foot wide may not be wide enough, and I don't think 5 feet will fit under the wing unless you really lengthened your cabanes. - Just kidding ya, good to hear about all the progress you guys are making. - Shad > I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then fabri c.. Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece.. been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges to tighten things up.. Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks.. jeff faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373169#373169 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wpf_171.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ws1_768.jpg le, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 16, 2012
Subject: Re: Close to covering
Uau!!! what a place!!!!! very nice squeleton, congratulations. Mario Giacummo ... .. .-.. .- .- ...- . -. - ..- .-. .- . ... .--. . .-.. .. --. .-. --- ... .- --..-- .--. .-. --- -... .- .-.. .- .-. ..- - .. -. .- --..-- . ... -- --- .-. - .- .-.. !!!!! 2012/5/16 bender > jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com> > > I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then > fabric.. > Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan > for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece.. > been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges > to tighten things up.. > Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks.. > > jeff faith > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373169#373169 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/wpf_171.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ws1_768.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Close to covering
From: "bender" <jfaith(at)solairusaviation.com>
Date: May 16, 2012
i glued the first rib together on November 1st 2010.... so a year in a half in.. BTW its about 565 lbs right now it is a nice place... i work on corporate jets for a living and they are nice enough to let me use the space... that helps build time as its right there at work when the jet is out i'm kinda free jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373183#373183 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: aileron gap
Date: May 16, 2012
We filled the gap to where we have 1/8/ inch gap.Is that enough or do we need to seal it completely, if so what is the best way. We ordered new bolts for the cabanes and wings and as soon as they arrive we can install the center section and wings. Getting closer to final assembly. Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Close to covering
Date: May 16, 2012
Looking GREAT, Jeff! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 5:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Close to covering I think i'm getting close to taking it all apart and varnishing..then fabric.. Made a windshield for the back seat today. Lucked in to some "scrap" lexan for $5.. a 1 foot by 5 foot piece.. been fitting the cowling too.. a little metal shrinking around the edges to tighten things up.. Its gonna be weird not to see all those sticks.. jeff faith Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373169#373169 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wpf_171.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/ws1_768.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2012
From: shad bell <aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: NX92GB just broke 300 hrs
Well I got the flying bug this evening after I got home from work, needed s ome crosswind practice, and had 12-15 across the runway so I went.- I was looking at the tach about 10 min into the flight and noticed 3 tenths more is 300hrs.- So I flew down south at about a million mph, turned around a nd was almost keeping pace with the cars below.- I tried to 'hover" over the airport, but did not quite have the headwind (or horse power) to do it, so I flew the traffic pattern, and came around for a one wheeler and put h er away.- 300.0 hrs on the tach as she sits.- The house work ain't done , but I needed the vacation.- Saturday morning is a pankake Breakfast ove r in Delaware, OH-with Dad's EAA chapter-, so thats my only break for t his weekend.- I might have to tell 'The Boss", I got lost on the way home , and had to divert for a fuel stop if I get home a little later than plann ed.- After that its back to the grunt work.- - p.s.-To any Ohio piets within 1 hrs flight time of DLZ, they have the bes t-breakfst in town, at the airport, with airplanes, and they have coffee too! - Shad ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: aileron gap
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 16, 2012
Jack used duct tape. I've got blue painters tape (still). Some strips of le ather, pleather, or naugahyde rubber cemented in place will do the trick. A nd yes, seal 'em tight - it makes a world of difference. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137(at)gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On May 16, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Bob edson" wrote: > We filled the gap to where we have 1/8/ inch gap.Is that enough or do we n eed to seal it completely, if so what is the best way. We ordered new bolts f or the cabanes and wings and as soon as they arrive we can install the cente r section and wings. Getting closer to final assembly. Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX92GB just broke 300 hrs
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: May 17, 2012
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Subject: Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Date: May 17, 2012
Shad, While doing the major on my Lycoming O-235 I disassembled the MA-3 carburetor and put the black composite float and the rubber tipped needle in gas. I tested to be sure it had ethanol. They were submerged in a sealed quart jar for about 9 months with no degrading. So I will not get heartburn over putting some ethanol laced gas in my Piet. Also for you guys building, ACS and MAC's Antique Auto Parts has a float unaffected by ethanol. I bought mine from Mac's. A9312FLM Model A Ford Gas Gauge Float - Modern Neoprene Item Subtotal: $4.15 Estimated Shipping: $7.00 Minimum Order Fee: $2.00 Order Total: $13.15 -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373215#373215 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Jeff's plane
Date: May 17, 2012
Great work Jeff!! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 17, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Stromberg Notes.
Crew, if I may... I just received last night a bunch of papers from Doc M. (BPA newsletter) a bout Stromberg carbs.- There is some GREAT intell. in these papers. Anyhoo, from what I remember, (I read through them once kinda fast)- orig inal Strombergs used SS needles and sharp cornered, (the sealing edge, if y ou will) brass seat.- Later came the noeprene tip SS needles that used a rounded cornered seat. This combination at the time was the fix all to carb . leaks. Having seen this, other companies jumped on the band wagon. These copied needles were sub standard with machining, finish and type of tip use d. Once the FAA approved auto fuel and the fuel found it's way into these c arbs. the neoprene tipped needles started to fail, as described in another post, by swelling.- The original, high quality neoprene tipped needles wo rk fine with aircraft fuel only, but are getting harder to find and disting uish from the "copies."- The rounded seat required for this needle accord ing to what I read, is almost impossible to find.- Even so, these good ne edles are very old and most have hardened and are brittle. The solution next was the Delrin needle, which is impervious to both fuels and their additives, if any.- This needle uses the sharp cornered seat li ke the SS needles.- Problem now is this needle is light weight and a weig ht needs to be added to the float arm to help seat the needle. I believe if this mod is done, the carb. must be marked with a 1" dia. yellow dot. I am sure someone here can reference this mod and post it.- Also, with this n eedle being relatively soft, lapping the needled has proved difficult and s ome have ruined them all together trying. Most have kept, or have gone back to the SS needle and sharp cornered seat as it can be used with any fuel and requires no mods to the float.- (I be lieve this SS needle/brass seat combo. is what is readily available still.) As Ryan mentioned in a previous post, lapping helps mate the sealing surfa ces. I have a NAS3B Stromberg as opposed to the NAS31A (I believe). I was surpri sed to learn that there is a wide variety of these carbs. specifically asse mbled with needles, jets, bleed holes, etc. for specific engines and fuel d elivery systems. (gravity or pressure)- There are also mods made if these are used in a tail dragger type planes. (They were not designed for tail d raggers.)- I was also happy to find out from checking the numbers on my c arb. that it is correct for my A-65. It currently has the original, not cop ied, neoprene tipped needle and round cornered seat. It appears to be like new, however, not knowing what types of fuels may or may not be readily ava ilable, I plan to switch to the SS. You can be assured I will be re-reading these documents over a few times an d digging out the other intell. I have for the various mods, tips, tricks a nd procedures.- I am curious to see how all this information compares and how to apply it to my carb. rebuild...which I may start soon. As I said, the above is what I remember reading from the very valuable docu ments I received from Doc. He received them from yet another, whom I can't remember his name.- Thanks to both of them for providing this information ! Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Stromberg Notes.
Date: May 17, 2012
An additional comment about lapping - an easy way to lap a needle valve seat is to chuck the needle in your drillpress with the speed set as slow as it can go. Smear some Crest toothpaste (the original type) on the valve seat and with the needle turning slowly, use the drill press to push the needle into the valve seat (hold the seat so it can't spin). The toothpaste has enough abrasive in it to do a nice job of lapping the seat to get a good seal with the needle. That's how I did it when I overhauled my Stromberg and it has worked well. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg Notes. Crew, if I may... I just received last night a bunch of papers from Doc M. (BPA newsletter) about Stromberg carbs. There is some GREAT intell. in these papers. Anyhoo, from what I remember, (I read through them once kinda fast) original Strombergs used SS needles and sharp cornered, (the sealing edge, if you will) brass seat. Later came the noeprene tip SS needles that used a rounded cornered seat. This combination at the time was the fix all to carb. leaks. Having seen this, other companies jumped on the band wagon. These copied needles were sub standard with machining, finish and type of tip used. Once the FAA approved auto fuel and the fuel found it's way into these carbs. the neoprene tipped needles started to fail, as described in another post, by swelling. The original, high quality neoprene tipped needles work fine with aircraft fuel only, but are getting harder to find and distinguish from the "copies." The rounded seat required for this needle according to what I read, is almost impossible to find. Even so, these good needles are very old and most have hardened and are brittle. The solution next was the Delrin needle, which is impervious to both fuels and their additives, if any. This needle uses the sharp cornered seat like the SS needles. Problem now is this needle is light weight and a weight needs to be added to the float arm to help seat the needle. I believe if this mod is done, the carb. must be marked with a 1" dia. yellow dot. I am sure someone here can reference this mod and post it. Also, with this needle being relatively soft, lapping the needled has proved difficult and some have ruined them all together trying. Most have kept, or have gone back to the SS needle and sharp cornered seat as it can be used with any fuel and requires no mods to the float. (I believe this SS needle/brass seat combo. is what is readily available still.) As Ryan mentioned in a previous post, lapping helps mate the sealing surfaces. I have a NAS3B Stromberg as opposed to the NAS31A (I believe). I was surprised to learn that there is a wide variety of these carbs. specifically assembled with needles, jets, bleed holes, etc. for specific engines and fuel delivery systems. (gravity or pressure) There are also mods made if these are used in a tail dragger type planes. (They were not designed for tail draggers.) I was also happy to find out from checking the numbers on my carb. that it is correct for my A-65. It currently has the original, not copied, neoprene tipped needle and round cornered seat. It appears to be like new, however, not knowing what types of fuels may or may not be readily available, I plan to switch to the SS. You can be assured I will be re-reading these documents over a few times and digging out the other intell. I have for the various mods, tips, tricks and procedures. I am curious to see how all this information compares and how to apply it to my carb. rebuild...which I may start soon. As I said, the above is what I remember reading from the very valuable documents I received from Doc. He received them from yet another, whom I can't remember his name. Thanks to both of them for providing this information! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 17, 2012
From: steve(at)wotelectronics.com
Subject: Re: Stromberg Notes.
Michael, I'm not sure what document you are talking about, but I'd guess there is a copy of it in my "archive" of all things small Continental. Check the link below. I apologize for the sloppy organization, I intend to improve that when I retire in 32 years: http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/ [1] One of these documents probably has the information you are referring to. You may need to copy & paste these links: http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/Carburetor/Stromberg%20Needles%20and%20leaks.pdf http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/Carburetor/Stromberg%20Fuel%20Level%20setting%20&%20tools.pdf http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/Carburetor/Stromberg%20Fuel%20Level%20and%20Tools.pdf http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/Carburetor/Fuel%20level%20tube%20Stromberg.pdf http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/Carburetor/stromberg%20carb%20-%20float%20weight%20for%20delrin%20needle.pdf Steve Ruse Norman, OK On 2012-05-17 08:30, Michael Perez wrote: > Crew, if I may... > > I just received last night a bunch of papers from Doc M. (BPA newsletter) about Stromberg carbs. There is some GREAT intell. in these papers. > > Anyhoo, from what I remember, (I read through them once kinda fast) original Strombergs used SS needles and sharp cornered, (the sealing edge, if you will) brass seat. Later came the noeprene tip SS needles that used a rounded cornered seat. This combination at the time was the fix all to carb. leaks. Having seen this, other companies jumped on the band wagon. These copied needles were sub standard with machining, finish and type of tip used. Once the FAA approved auto fuel and the fuel found it's way into these carbs. the neoprene tipped needles started to fail, as described in another post, by swelling. The original, high quality neoprene tipped needles work fine with aircraft fuel only, but are getting harder to find and distinguish from the "copies." The rounded seat required for this needle according to what I read, is almost impossible to find. Even so, these good needles are very old and most have hardened and are brittle. > > The solution next was the Delrin needle, which is impervious to both fuels and their additives, if any. This needle uses the sharp cornered seat like the SS needles. Problem now is this needle is light weight and a weight needs to be added to the float arm to help seat the needle. I believe if this mod is done, the carb. must be marked with a 1" dia. yellow dot. I am sure someone here can reference this mod and post it. Also, with this needle being relatively soft, lapping the needled has proved difficult and some have ruined them all together trying. > > Most have kept, or have gone back to the SS needle and sharp cornered seat as it can be used with any fuel and requires no mods to the float. (I believe this SS needle/brass seat combo. is what is readily available still.) As Ryan mentioned in a previous post, lapping helps mate the sealing surfaces. > > I have a NAS3B Stromberg as opposed to the NAS31A (I believe). I was surprised to learn that there is a wide variety of these carbs. specifically assembled with needles, jets, bleed holes, etc. for specific engines and fuel delivery systems. (gravity or pressure) There are also mods made if these are used in a tail dragger type planes. (They were not designed for tail draggers.) I was also happy to find out from checking the numbers on my carb. that it is correct for my A-65. It currently has the original, not copied, neoprene tipped needle and round cornered seat. It appears to be like new, however, not knowing what types of fuels may or may not be readily available, I plan to switch to the SS. > > You can be assured I will be re-reading these documents over a few times and digging out the other intell. I have for the various mods, tips, tricks and procedures. I am curious to see how all this information compares and how to apply it to my carb. rebuild...which I may start soon. > > As I said, the above is what I remember reading from the very valuable documents I received from Doc. He received them from yet another, whom I can't remember his name. Thanks to both of them for providing this information! > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION Links: ------ [1] http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 17, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Stromberg Notes.
Hey Steve, the info you provide is great as well and I do have it. The papers I received yesterday from Doc were written by Bob Kachergius. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: May 17, 2012
Subject: Enid, OK fly-in
Fly in Enid, OK. Enid Woodring Regional Airport May 19th, 2012 Military Appreciation Fly In Please come and have breakfast with us! Barnstormers will serve a buffet breakfast from 8-10am There will be door prizes!!! Identifier: KWDG Unicom: 122.95 Runways: 17/35 6,249 x 100 ft 13/31 3,149 x 108 ft AWOS: 120.625 (580-237-1475) Traffic Pattern: 17~left 35~right 13~left 31~right Elevation: 1167 KWDG Tower Frequency 118.90 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: May 17, 2012
Subject: Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75
My humble experience with fuel. Lots of No Ethanol Auto fuel in Oklahoma. Not any Ethanol Free Autofuel in Texas. Even for Boats or 4 wheelers. I have not found any. Even in small towns. I have done several internet searches and have never seen it in person. Metroplexes with smog problems require Ethanol gas. I guess in Texas they dominate the market so much that you can't get it otherwise. In NW Oklahoma most of the Gas stations have signs that say "NO ETHANOL"or "Alcohol Free gas!" We fly Mid grade or premium Autofuel in my buddies 1947 Aeronca Champ (A-65) and in my 1948 Beech Bonanza (E-185-11). Though in Texas I use AVGAS in my Vtail. The regular unleaded octane is 86 or 87 Octane. Both STCs call for 87 Octane. I have noticed small problems when using the 87 Octane that disappear when I use 89 or higher in my Bonanza. OT For my Bonanza, I keep my right tank full of 100LL and run Autofuel in the other tanks. Upon landing I run 100LL until I think it is all the way from the tank and the Pressure Carb is full of it. 100LL is better for the rubber gaskets in my Carb. Unleaded car fuel hardens these Expensive rubber parts. 100LL is much more stable for storage. The Current Auto fuel formulas seem to turn to varnish much faster than they did even 10 years ago. For long term storage, I have had good success putting STABIL in my Old Suburbans when I have put them in storage for months and even years. Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Avgas use in Continental A65 or A75
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: May 17, 2012
Steve, Not sure how up-to-date this information is, but it appears that there are some locations in TX that sell ethanol-free gas; http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=TX BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373234#373234 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Capstrip vs Spar material
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: May 18, 2012
I was told some time ago by ACS that capstrip is not required to meet the higher standards of spar material. Some of the capstrip I received from them did not meet the 6 annual rings per inch standard. I am about to place a wood order with them and wish to include the wood required to make the aileron spars. I believe I can get by with 1/2" by 2 1/2 stock. These dimension fall under their capstrip pricing. If you go to 1/2 by 2 3/4 material you have to buy spar stock. The fact that the aileron spars are called spars, should I order spar material for them? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373278#373278 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 18, 2012
Subject: Re: Capstrip vs Spar material
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
No concern about what they call it.....it's aircraft grade spruce. Just order what you need dimensionally, regardless of how they categorize it.... Ryan On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Kringle wrote: > > I was told some time ago by ACS that capstrip is not required to meet the > higher standards of spar material. Some of the capstrip I received from > them did not meet the 6 annual rings per inch standard. I am about to > place a wood order with them and wish to include the wood required to mak e > the aileron spars. I believe I can get by with 1/2" by 2 1/2=94 stock. > These dimension fall under their capstrip pricing. If you go to 1/2 by 2 > 3/4 material you have to buy spar stock. > > The fact that the aileron spars are called spars, should I order spar > material for them? > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373278#373278 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Capstrip vs Spar material
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: May 18, 2012
I called again today and the gal says the spar material is of higher grade but she transferred me to the wood department and the gentleman there says its all cut from the same aircraft grade spruce. Good enough for now and I will order the capstrip. I will check it though when I get it :) -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373314#373314 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Capstrip vs Spar material
Date: May 18, 2012
There is not nearly as much stress on the ailerons as there is on the wing spars. I see no need to use spar stock for the ailerons. I didn't. Hope my ailerons pass inspection. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:44 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Capstrip vs Spar material > > I was told some time ago by ACS that capstrip is not required to meet the > higher standards of spar material. Some of the capstrip I received from > them did not meet the 6 annual rings per inch standard. I am about to > place a wood order with them and wish to include the wood required to make > the aileron spars. I believe I can get by with 1/2" by 2 1/2? stock. > These dimension fall under their capstrip pricing. If you go to 1/2 by 2 > 3/4 material you have to buy spar stock. > > The fact that the aileron spars are called spars, should I order spar > material for them? > > -------- > John > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373278#373278 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RC Piet
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: May 18, 2012
No worst for the wear>>>>>>>>>>> -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373318#373318 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 18, 2012
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: RC Piet
I am really curious how you got the camera that far outside the fuselage while you were flying. NICE SHOT! Stinemetze >>> "pineymb" 5/18/2012 2:46 PM >>> No worst for the wear>>>>>>>>>>> -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373318#373318 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Capstrip vs Spar material
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: May 18, 2012
Emailed response from ACS about spar and capstrip material. John, Both capstrip and spares are milled from grade A aircraft quality Sitka spruce. I hope this helps. Regards, Josh Solis -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373322#373322 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: RC Piet
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: May 18, 2012
Thanx...as luck would have it a local news reporter was at the field with a kickass camera. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373326#373326 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Capstrip vs Spar material
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: May 18, 2012
Charles, your airplane will pass inspection. Since it is a homebuilt, you c an make it from anything you want. The inspector only really cares about th e paperwork. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: C N Campbell <cncampbell(at)windstream.net> Sent: Fri, May 18, 2012 2:08 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Capstrip vs Spar material .net> There is not nearly as much stress on the ailerons as there is on the wing pars. I see no need to use spar stock for the ailerons. I didn't. Hope y ailerons pass inspection. C ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Kringle" o: ent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:44 AM ubject: Pietenpol-List: Capstrip vs Spar material I was told some time ago by ACS that capstrip is not required to meet the higher standards of spar material. Some of the capstrip I received from them did not meet the 6 annual rings per inch standard. I am about to place a wood order with them and wish to include the wood required to make the aileron spars. I believe I can get by with 1/2" by 2 1/2=C3=A2?=C2=9D stock. These dimension fall under their capstrip pricing. If you go to 1/2 by 2 3/4 material you have to buy spar stock. The fact that the aileron spars are called spars, should I order spar material for them? -------- John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373278#373278 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Douglas Fir for Tail Feathers Available
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: May 19, 2012
Hello anyone on the east coast who's in need of tail feathers. I have a complete set of Douglas Fir pieces already cut/beveled/glued to size for tail feathers. If anyone needs a serious head start on tail feathers, the pile o wood would cost $40 plus another $5 if you want the two ash pieces for the floor braces. The fir has at least 10 growth rings per inch, no knots or pitch pockets and is well within the "straightness" criteria of AC 43-13. My wife will be driving our truck from here in Naples, FL to Belfast, ME starting probably this next Tuesday (22 May) mostly taking I-95 though there is a decent probability she'll take I-26 to I-77 to I-81 to I-84 to BOS to avoid the DCA/PHL/LGA traffic mess. About 100 miles farther but waaay less headache. Let me know off-line if you're interested. Dave Aldrich dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373345#373345 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rib Cap Strip
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: May 19, 2012
I also have enough 1/2 x 1/4 Douglas Fir to do an entire set of ribs. See post on tail feathers for further info. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373353#373353 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "woodflier(at)aol.com" <woodflier(at)aol.com>
Date: May 20, 2012
Subject: Re: Doug fir tail feathers
Dave, I wish we were going to be home. My Piet is hangared about 5 miles off I-81 in VA at Exit 180. Let me know next trip if you're passing through again. Matt Paxton NX629ML Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rib Cap Strip
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: May 21, 2012
Sold. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373486#373486 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Douglas Fir for Tail Feathers Available
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: May 21, 2012
Sold Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373487#373487 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 21, 2012
Hello good Piet-ple... Been making progress on the turtle deck and thought I'd share some images....... A few observations: ==> It turned out 3.5 lb ==> I do not have a "helmet box" per plans as I am trying to add as little weight as possible aft of the CG ==> The 1/16 plywood didn't bend around the contour as well as I had thought - so I had to soak it in my bathtub overnight to get it to form. (I let it dry clamped in position before I glued it.) ==> The 1/4 inch dowels are glued "1/2 way" into each stringer to stabilize the stringers when I cover the turtle deck with fabric. ==> I glued up the assembly, trimmed, sanded, and then added/glued and trimmed the "bubinga" veneer. I have since routed the slots for the pilot's shoulder harness straps. ==> Having a good time... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373501#373501 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/underside_585.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_turtle_deck_348.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_turtle_deck_883.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_turtle_deck_169.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_turtle_deck_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_turtle_deck_440.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com>
Subject: Re: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb
Date: May 21, 2012
Hi Jake, Looking good. I want to lobby you for the helmet box. I don't have one on 502Rocket and it is a pain. People don't think the box is very useful but when you don't have anyplace to put even a quart of oil (which I put next to me on the seat now) it comes in handy. Plus it gives you a place to put stuff while you are on the ground at a flyin (for those out of sight out of mind moments) like your handheld or portable gps. I really wish I did have one. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On May 21, 2012, at 2:38 PM, aerocarjake wrote: > > Hello good Piet-ple... > > Been making progress on the turtle deck and thought I'd share some images....... > > A few observations: > > ==> It turned out 3.5 lb > > ==> I do not have a "helmet box" per plans as I am trying to add as little weight as possible aft of the CG > > ==> The 1/16 plywood didn't bend around the contour as well as I had thought - so I had to soak it in my bathtub overnight to get it to form. (I let it dry clamped in position before I glued it.) > > ==> The 1/4 inch dowels are glued "1/2 way" into each stringer to stabilize the stringers when I cover the turtle deck with fabric. > > ==> I glued up the assembly, trimmed, sanded, and then added/glued and trimmed the "bubinga" veneer. I have since routed the slots for the pilot's shoulder harness straps. > > ==> Having a good time... > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373501#373501 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/underside_585.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_turtle_deck_348.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_turtle_deck_883.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_turtle_deck_169.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_turtle_deck_191.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_turtle_deck_440.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 21, 2012
Thanks for the input John.... I am incorporating a storage area forward of the passenger seat. I will have no pax instruments so am using that area as a glove compartment - so to speak. (I've incorporated "modern" hidden cabinet hinges to hide the mechanism.) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373507#373507 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/_map_box_closed_150.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/_map_box_open_416.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb
From: "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: May 21, 2012
Jake perfection, as usual... Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On May 21, 2012, at 2:38 PM, "aerocarjake" wrote: > > Hello good Piet-ple... > > Been making progress on the turtle deck and thought I'd share some images....... > > A few observations: > > ==> It turned out 3.5 lb > > ==> I do not have a "helmet box" per plans as I am trying to add as little weight as possible aft of the CG > > ==> The 1/16 plywood didn't bend around the contour as well as I had thought - so I had to soak it in my bathtub overnight to get it to form. (I let it dry clamped in position before I glued it.) > > ==> The 1/4 inch dowels are glued "1/2 way" into each stringer to stabilize the stringers when I cover the turtle deck with fabric. > > ==> I glued up the assembly, trimmed, sanded, and then added/glued and trimmed the "bubinga" veneer. I have since routed the slots for the pilot's shoulder harness straps. > > ==> Having a good time... > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373501#373501 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/underside_585.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_turtle_deck_348.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_turtle_deck_883.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_turtle_deck_169.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_turtle_deck_191.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_turtle_deck_440.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 21, 2012
Ha, yep... genuine AN cabinet hardware from Home Depot(!) I spent quite a long time in their hardware aisle looking for hinges that would work for this situation. I want my Piet to LOOK old but have some of the conveniences of today. -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373518#373518 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb
Date: May 21, 2012
I=92ll echo what John said. I have a helmet box on mine, made from 1/16=94 birch plywood on the top, =BC=94 plywood for the sides and bottom, routed out to save weight, with a little fiberglass reinforcement so it weighs very little but is a huge help in keeping things that you will need. In it when parked at a fly-in I can keep both flying helmets and two sets of goggles, my GPS, a few essential tools and a couple of granola bars, as well as a couple of sectional charts. I use it nearly every time I fly. Here are a couple of pics of it: Your tutledeck is looking great. You are going to have a very nice Pietenpol. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hofmann Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb Hi Jake, Looking good. I want to lobby you for the helmet box. I don't have one on 502Rocket and it is a pain. People don't think the box is very useful but when you don't have anyplace to put even a quart of oil (which I put next to me on the seat now) it comes in handy. Plus it gives you a place to put stuff while you are on the ground at a flyin (for those out of sight out of mind moments) like your handheld or portable gps. I really wish I did have one. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com On May 21, 2012, at 2:38 PM, aerocarjake wrote: Hello good Piet-ple... Been making progress on the turtle deck and thought I'd share some images....... A few observations: ==> It turned out 3.5 lb ==> I do not have a "helmet box" per plans as I am trying to add as little weight as possible aft of the CG ==> The 1/16 plywood didn't bend around the contour as well as I had thought - so I had to soak it in my bathtub overnight to get it to form. (I let it dry clamped in position before I glued it.) ==> The 1/4 inch dowels are glued "1/2 way" into each stringer to stabilize the stringers when I cover the turtle deck with fabric. ==> I glued up the assembly, trimmed, sanded, and then added/glued and trimmed the "bubinga" veneer. I have since routed the slots for the pilot's shoulder harness straps. ==> Having a good time... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373501#373501 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/underside_585.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_turtle_deck_348.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_turtle_deck_883.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_turtle_deck_169.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_turtle_deck_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_turtle_deck_440.jpg &n======================== ======================= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack" <jack(at)textors.com>
Subject: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb
Date: May 21, 2012
Jake I made the mistake of adding extra stringers for what I hope will improve the decks appearance. I just weighed mine and it is 5 pounds. http://textors.com/IMG_4220_640x427.jpg Jack Textor DSM NX1929T -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 2:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb Hello good Piet-ple... Been making progress on the turtle deck and thought I'd share some images....... A few observations: ==> It turned out 3.5 lb ==> I do not have a "helmet box" per plans as I am trying to add as little weight as possible aft of the CG ==> The 1/16 plywood didn't bend around the contour as well as I had thought - so I had to soak it in my bathtub overnight to get it to form. (I let it dry clamped in position before I glued it.) ==> The 1/4 inch dowels are glued "1/2 way" into each stringer to stabilize the stringers when I cover the turtle deck with fabric. ==> I glued up the assembly, trimmed, sanded, and then added/glued and trimmed the "bubinga" veneer. I have since routed the slots for the pilot's shoulder harness straps. ==> Having a good time... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373501#373501 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/underside_585.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_turtle_deck_348.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_turtle_deck_883.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_turtle_deck_169.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_turtle_deck_191.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/6_turtle_deck_440.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: May 22, 2012
Jake, I vote for the helmet box. I wish I had made mine bigger, but was constrai ned by being a purist, so I had to stick to the plans. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Turtle deck progress.... 3.5 lb
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 22, 2012
Thanks for all the comments... I will consider revising it to add a box - we'll see..... So many tradeoffs (!)....... Thx again...... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373578#373578 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 22, 2012
Subject: thinking outside the hatbox.......
I couldn't see any reason to build a hatbox when all of that area under the turtledeck behind the pilot seat was screaming perfectly good storage space. I decided to glue a 1/16" thick piece of birch plywood back there as a floo r using the existing diagonal piece of spruce as a support for the floor. My sketch s hows the plywood on top of the longerons but actually it is below the longerons. (never did excel in art) You have to be judicious in how much weigh you put back there of course but you can really pack a lot of items back there as long as they aren't lead bricks;) Knowing Jake's ingenuity I would bet he could install some kind of 'lowerin g floor' device to use that area behind his wicker seat and still keep the look of a solid wood turtledeck covering. Of course there is always Velcro...........! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 22, 2012
Subject: photo inside the backseat storage area
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Subject: Review Property!
From: sncliffe(at)aol.com
Date: May 22, 2012
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Date: May 22, 2012
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: thinking outside the hatbox.......
Mike: I am doing something very similar in that I put a floor in all the way back to the first former. I covered the bottom of that floor with tin foil which became the ground plane for my radio antenna. My question is this: Do you have to have something on the sides to prevent the "hats" in the hat box from poking into the side fabric or do the turtledeck formers take care of this? You can see my floor with the radio antenna in this photo. Sorry, that's the best one I have available at the office. Just ignore the man behind the curtain. Tom Stinemetze N328X >>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" 5/22/2012 2:56 PM >>> I couldnt see any reason to build a hatbox when all of that area under the turtledeck behind the pilot seat was screaming perfectly good storage space. I decided to glue a 1/16 thick piece of birch plywood back there as a floor using the existing diagonal piece of spruce as a support for the floor. My sketch shows the plywood on top of the longerons but actually it is below the longerons. (never did excel in art) You have to be judicious in how much weigh you put back there of course but you can really pack a lot of items back there as long as they arent lead bricks;) Knowing Jakes ingenuity I would bet he could install some kind of lowering floor device to use that area behind his wicker seat and still keep the look of a solid wood turtledeck covering. Of course there is always Velcro..! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: photo inside the backseat storage area
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 22, 2012
Having that much extra storage space does seem very appealing... Thx Mike... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373597#373597 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 22, 2012
Subject: thinking outside the hatbox.......
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From: "Bob edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN
Date: May 22, 2012
Assembled again,ready for inspection. It is in my sons shop for inspection then we will move it to the airport. It is on the heavy side at 805 pounds and weight and ballance is within range. It has a continental 0-200 so 100 hp should handle it good.We are pleased with it. Life is good. Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: pic of a real jenny seat
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 22, 2012
was in seattle last week and went to the boeing plant. highly recommend the place. anywho, if someone wanted to copy a Jenny seat, this is it. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373618#373618 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/jenny_seat_636.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Date: May 22, 2012
The Piet looks great. I like the colors. I hope to get mine inspected soon. Mine came in at 810 with the O-235 Lycoming. Just thinking we may get 4 or 5 Piets in the air this year. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373621#373621 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: pic of a real jenny seat
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 22, 2012
sorry, museum, not plant. very cool place.paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373628#373628 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 22, 2012
Just wow! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373630#373630 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN
Date: May 23, 2012
Beautiful Bob! Where did the extra weight come from? Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob edson To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:06 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN Assembled again,ready for inspection. It is in my sons shop for inspection then we will move it to the airport. It is on the heavy side at 805 pounds and weight and ballance is within range. It has a continental 0-200 so 100 hp should handle it good.We are pleased with it. Life is good. Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2012
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Tailwheel endorsement
Pieters, In order to obtain a tailwheel endorsement, do you have to log some minimum number of hours in a taildragger or do you just need to be able to demonstrate capability to an examiner before he signs you off? Thanks, John Franklin Prairie Aire 4TA0 GN-1 / Corvair ________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 23, 2012
Subject: Re: Tailwheel endorsement
John, Are you located in Canada or the USA? -----Original Message----- From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:00:55 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement Pieters, In order to obtain a tailwheel endorsement, do you have to log some minimum number of hours in a taildragger or do you just need to be able to demonstrate capability to an examiner before he signs you off? Thanks, John Franklin Prairie Aire 4TA0 GN-1 / Corvair ________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: First flight with new Cloudcars Prop
From: "Dale McCleskey" <dale.mccleskey(at)lifeway.com>
Date: May 23, 2012
Wow. I took N7035N for my first flight of the year with my new Cloudcars prop last night. Simply incredible. I didn't have a passenger for weight nor a stop watch so I don't have any specs, but it definitely climbs like a homesick angel. But the beautiful surprises were smoothness and cruise speed. I've picked up at least 5 mph (from 65 to 70 mph) on cruise with a bit lower power setting (about 2050 yo 2100 rpm). And I didn't even realize my Sensenich prop was out of balance until I felt the smooth power with the new prop. To say I am elated is beyond understatement. BTW, I had a hard time finding Cloudcars (thanks Jack for sending me the address last fall). So if anybody wants to contact them, their email adress is: "Jay & Carmen" See mu big grin: ;o) -------- Dale McCleskey N7035N Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373645#373645 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2012
From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwheel endorsement
John,=0A-=0AAn CFI can sign you off after demonstrating capability=0A- =0AFlight schools usually mandate a minimum amount of hours as dictated by their insurance provider.=0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A =0A =0A________________________________=0A From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc. com>=0ATo: Piet_List =0ASent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:00 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement=0A =0A- =0APieters,=0A=0AIn order to obtain a tailwheel endorsement, do you have to log some minimum number of hours in a taildragger or do you just need to b e able to demonstrate capability to an examiner before he signs you off?=0A =0AThanks,=0AJohn Franklin=0APrairie Aire 4TA0=0AGN-1 / Corvair=0A=0A______ =========================0A - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2012
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwheel endorsement
Scott, I'm in the US... Thanks, JF -----Original Message----- >From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> >Sent: May 23, 2012 7:46 AM >To: John Franklin , "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com " >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement > > >John, Are you located in Canada or the USA? > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> >Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:00:55 >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement > > >Pieters, > >In order to obtain a tailwheel endorsement, do you have to log some minimum number of hours in a taildragger or do you just need to be able to demonstrate capability to an examiner before he signs you off? > >Thanks, >John Franklin >Prairie Aire 4TA0 >GN-1 / Corvair > >________________________________________ > > ________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 23, 2012
Subject: FAA's word on tailwheel endorsements and grandfather clause
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From: "Scott Knowlton " <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 23, 2012
Subject: Re: Tailwheel endorsement
Ha! I liked your first answer better. I do Tailwheel conversions here in the republic of Canada. It isn't a rating here... Just a proficiency check and usually only for insurance purposes. I'm sure other folks on the list from the US can answer your question. Regards, Scott -----Original Message----- From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:16:44 Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement Scott, I'm in the US... Thanks, JF -----Original Message----- >From: Scott Knowlton <flyingscott_k(at)hotmail.com> >Sent: May 23, 2012 7:46 AM >To: John Franklin , "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com " >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement > > >John, Are you located in Canada or the USA? > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> >Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:00:55 >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement > > >Pieters, > >In order to obtain a tailwheel endorsement, do you have to log some minimum number of hours in a taildragger or do you just need to be able to demonstrate capability to an examiner before he signs you off? > >Thanks, >John Franklin >Prairie Aire 4TA0 >GN-1 / Corvair > >________________________________________ > > ________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick N" <horzpool(at)goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN
Date: May 23, 2012
Beautiful Piet Bob , I was a bit distracted by the canoe hanging on the wall. Did you build that also? Thats a piece of art. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob edson To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:06 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX53WE--WE'RE TOGETHER AGAIN Assembled again,ready for inspection. It is in my sons shop for inspection then we will move it to the airport. It is on the heavy side at 805 pounds and weight and ballance is within range. It has a continental 0-200 so 100 hp should handle it good.We are pleased with it. Life is good. Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com>
Subject: cable cutting
Date: May 23, 2012
I could use some helpful hints on cutting control cables and being able to insert them into splicing sleeves. I checked my blood twice getting one done today. There has got to be a better way. Ralph in South Dakota ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2012
Subject: Re: cable cutting
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
I tried a variety of approaches that led to dismal results. One day I was in one of our local bicycle shops. I found there a very nice cable cutting set of pliers that make beautiful cuts easily and quickly. They were also cheap -- because airplane was nowhere in their name. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Ralph wrote: > I could use some helpful hints on cutting control cables and being able to > insert them into splicing sleeves. I checked my blood twice getting one > done today. There has got to be a better way. > > Ralph in South Dakota > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2012
Subject: Re: cable cutting
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
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Date: May 23, 2012
Subject: Re: cable cutting
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken(at)gmail.com>
Jim's method would work -- and might even be combined with vacuum bagging. Or the cable cutters sold at bicycle stores everywhere will snip right through the cable. No prep work required, just a perfectly squared-off end with no little wires to draw blood from your finger tips. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Jim Markle wrote: > Slip a 1" Long piece of heat shrink tubing over the cable. Shrink it with a > heat gun. Use a small cutoff disk (mounted in a dremel) to cut through both > the heat shrink and cable at the same time. Make the cut at the 1/2" point > on the 1" piece of heat shrink tubing. > The heat shrink tubing will keep the strands together during the cut and > insertion into the sleeves. > > > Sent via smartphone....so please ignore my bad speling.... > > > -------- Original message -------- > Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable cutting > From: Ralph <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com > CC: > > > I could use some helpful hints on cutting control cables and being able to > insert them into splicing sleeves. I checked my blood twice getting one > done today. There has got to be a better way. > > Ralph in South Dakota > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: cable cutting
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: May 23, 2012
What worked best for me was to sharpen a chisel on my grinding wheel. I then placed the cable of a piece of flat steel and sheared it with the chisel and a hammer. Nice clean cut but you will have to sharpen the chisel after about two cuts. I believe this was in the the Tony Bingeles books. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373708#373708 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: cable cutting
Date: May 23, 2012
I just wrapped the area of the cut with masking tape then cut it with a cold chisel, a hammer and an anvil. I used a cheap harbor freight anvil because the chisel will cut into the anvil and ruin a proper anvil, so I bought a small one that is used for nothing but cutting cable. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable cutting I could use some helpful hints on cutting control cables and being able to insert them into splicing sleeves. I checked my blood twice getting one done today. There has got to be a better way. Ralph in South Dakota ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: cable cutting
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir(at)aol.com>
Date: May 24, 2012
If you wrap with only one tight wrap of masking tape then cut, you can usually get the end of the cable through the sleeve with the masking tape still on there. Makes for a much happier time. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373733#373733 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell(at)windstream.net>
Subject: Re: cable cutting
Date: May 24, 2012
The absolutely best way is to cut the cable with a small Dremel tool with a cutoff wheel. I wrap the cable with a couple of layers of masking tape to keep the cable ends from fraying. If you're cutting after the sleeve is installed and crimped, use a thin piece of stainless steel between the cables to prevent nicking the opposite cable. Leeve at least 1/8-inch beyond the sleeve. C ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable cutting I could use some helpful hints on cutting control cables and being able to insert them into splicing sleeves. I checked my blood twice getting one done today. There has got to be a better way. Ralph in South Dakota ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: aileron quick disconnect
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 24, 2012
I read somewhere about how the brits have a aileron quick disconnect system to ease in removing wings. anyone know where i can get the plans for it? Thanks; Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373743#373743 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Covering problem?
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: May 24, 2012
I am covering my tail feathers at the moment with SS. everything was going great until the application of the ecofill. The problem i ran into is ecofill saturating the fabric and building up on the structure underneath the fabric. Now that its dry, as i try sanding the surface i run into these clumps of primer just underneath the fabric stuck to the wood structure and i almost sand thru the fabric instantly! Anybody else run into this? I was thinking of taking the small iron and try to mash it flat but im afraid the fabric will stick.....obviously i put the ecofill on too thick.........it sure didnt seem like it when i was doing it though. -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled less covering Mistubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373748#373748 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Covering problem?
Chris, I only used the Ekobond, what is the Ekofill used for? Or more pertinent, what are you using the Ekofill for? Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2012
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: cable cutting
Ralph: Without spending the big bucks for a cable cutter, here is a way that works well and utilizes items that you probably already have around the shop. You need a roll of masking tape, hammer, metal chisel, and a metal plate. Put a small piece of masking tape around the cable with the center of the cut being in the center of the tape wrap. There should be only one thickness of tape since you will be leaving it on until the nicopress sleeves have been put on and more than one layer of tape will make the cable too big. Sharpen the chisel but don't overdo it. You just want to get rid of any rounding on the cutting edge. Position the cable across the metal plate (mine is about 4" x 6" x one quarter inch thick) making sure the plate is on a secure solid surface and the masking tape is in the center of the plate. Hold the cable in place with the sharp edge of the chisel in the center of the tape and strike a single solid blow. The cable should part cleanly with the tape still in place and protecting both cut ends. Now put your heat shrink tubing and nicopress sleeve(s) on over the tape, loop the cable and run it back through the other side of the sleeve and you are ready to squeeze. Note that you want to take the tape off before squeezing so it does not end up inside the sleeve. Hope this works for you. Tom Stinemetze McPherson, KS. >>> "Ralph" 5/23/2012 6:46 PM >>> I could use some helpful hints on cutting control cables and being able to insert them into splicing sleeves. I checked my blood twice getting one done today. There has got to be a better way. Ralph in South Dakota ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: cable cutting
I agree with using a nice pair of cable cutters. The straight cutting "dyke s" as they were once called, will work OK, but the cutters designed for cab les will have curved, on the inside, blades. This introduces a slicing moti on which helps provide a clean, effortless cut.- No prep. needed before o r after. My second suggestion...gloves. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Covering problem?
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: May 24, 2012
Ekofill is the UV protectant/weave fill & primer. -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled less covering Mistubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373757#373757 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Covering problem?
I see. If you are using Stewart's entire system, I would contact them direc tly.- Do you have their manual? (Download from their website.)- It cove rs how to use and apply their products. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "H. Marvin Haught" <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net>
Subject: Re: Covering problem?
Date: May 24, 2012
Gentlemen -- The EkoFill is used as the filler and is the UV Block. It the the fabric "primer". Putting on the EkoFill too thick and / or brushing too hard forces the material through the fabric causing drips on the back side of the fabric that does what Chris described. I can provide your with a set of the DVD's explaining the proper method of application and can walk you through the process too, if needed. It also sounds like Chris may not have made sure the EkoFill was mixed throughly. The EkoFill should be applied to the damp fabric, just after washing it with the EkoClean high strength cleaner. Wipe down the fabric with a "virgin" (brand new) cotton towel from Costco or SSam's Club (buy in a bundle) soaked with the EkoFill. Scrub the surface of the fabric to remove all dirt and grease (oil from hands, dust etc.) with the EkoClean soaked cloth, turning the cloth often to a fresh surface. Wash out the cloth frequently in the EkoClean solution and wring out well, Then go back, again with a "virgin towel" using fresh clean water to "rinse" the surface, again turning the towel often, rinsing out the towel and wringing dry. It is important to the EkoFill application that you leave the surface of the fabric damp - not wet and dripping, but just slightly damp. This step helps the EkoFill wick between the fibers to bond and encapulsate the weave. Do small areas at a time so that the surface does not dry out before you get to it to apply the EkoFill. Apply the Ekofill with a 3 inch foam brush (you can use a foam roller on large surface but that is another technique). Wipe the brush off on the edge of the container so that it is not dripping and brush on to the surface of the fabric with light strokes, going in one direction. Go back over the coat constantly with a "dry" brush tipping out all bubbles and making the product as smooth as you can. Tipping is using just the tip of the foam brush very lightly to smooth out any bubbles and even out the coating. A very light touch is necessary, especially on the first coat, to prevent drip and pressing the Ekofill through the fabric. Let dry and repeat the process making your brush strokes 90 degrees to the first coat. Do NOT sand these first two coats as you do not have enough build up on the fabric to be sanding. Once those are dry, you need to spray two cross coats of Eko Fill. You can sand between these cross coats using a scotchbright pad to just remove the nibs and dust particles, if you have done a good job of applying the EkoFill smoothly. Just be careful to not sand through to the fabric and stay off of the pinked edges of the tapes. You will need to keep ironing down the pinked edges between each coat using a piece of teflon or a piece of a turkey basting bag to keep the EkoFill from sticking to the iron. Chris, you may need to cut that fabric off and reapply, depending upon how bad the mess is. Your call. I am attaching my answer to a couple of questions I had from a customer that may provide some other useful information. M. Haught Aircraft Fabric and Finishes LLC On May 24, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Chris, I only used the Ekobond, what is the Ekofill used for? Or more pertinent, what are you using the Ekofill for? > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: cable cutting
I would think that if one were to ask around, one could borrow a cutter fro m another aircraft- person or eaa chapter... Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dan Loegering <dan.loegering(at)odaytank.com>
Date: May 24, 2012
Subject: Tailwheel endorsement
John, As others have mentioned, the FAA does not have a minimum hour requirement for the endorsement. However, your insurance company may. I recently purchased a C-140 for the purposes of getting my TW endorsement, and I was required to have 20 hours of dual! The TW portion only took about 4-5 hours before I was comfortable. Then we spent the remaining 15 visiting all of the airports within a 60 mile radius to burn up the time. I could have obtained the endorsement in the Piet, but it is a couple of years from being finished, and the wife said "sure" when I off hand asked if I could buy the Cessna. I wasn't going to pass up that opportunity ;-) Dan Loegering Fargo, ND From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsement Pieters, In order to obtain a tailwheel endorsement, do you have to log some minimum number of hours in a taildragger or do you just need to be able to demonstrate capability to an examiner before he signs you off? Thanks, John Franklin Prairie Aire 4TA0 GN-1 / Corvair ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Covering problem?
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: May 24, 2012
Looks like i missed the wetting step..........I went right to applying the ekofill. After reading your attachment, i went WAY too heavy cause i can see brush strokes. I think the parts are savable cause you only feel the globs if you push on the fabric, you cant see them otherwise. What will happen if i use a piece of teflon fabric and push on the iron over the clumps? I would think it would melt the primer clump and flatten it. I really do not want to recover.......i did a really good job on the taping. -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled less covering Mistubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373770#373770 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: cable cutting
Hi Ralph, Use a cold chisel and lay the cable on a piece of steel; put the chisel on it and hit it with a hammer. Works great and leaves a clean end that fits into the copper sleeves well. Thats how I did mine. Cheers, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Covering problem?
From: "Chris Rusch" <rmdinfo(at)rmdbenders.com>
Date: May 24, 2012
here are some pics -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled less covering Mistubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373794#373794 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2502_126.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2501_616.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2500_132.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2499_104.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2498_546.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Layout table extra long 13 Ft +
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 24, 2012
Father's day At Palmyra WI 88C Pancake breakfast, Plus amazing Hanger sales, Looking for something? Email me and ask, Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373799#373799 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2012
From: Joe Street <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Eyebrow template
Hello all I am new here and a new owner of a Pietenpol. I took a look in the archives and found some messages relating to patterns for the eyebrow cowls for the A65 engine but never found a link or pdf file with the actual patterns. Does anybody have them? Thanks Joe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: cable cutting
From: "Larry V" <larryvangerven(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 24, 2012
Hi Ralph I am using a pair of cable cutters I purchased from aircraft spruce S & F CABLE CUTTERS #316 part # 12-18600 $19.75 I wrap the cable with a tight wrap of masking tape cut through the tape and cable, fits through sleeve nicely after cut. Larry V Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373840#373840 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: aileron quick disconnect
From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 24, 2012
I used some simple side plates like a master link with clevis pins through them.popped the other side on and cotter pins through the clevis pins.actually even went to the trouble of drilling out 1/4" stainless tubing to slip over the clevis pins and cut them just long enough to sleeve the pins and give enough clearance between the plates they don't bind the thimbles. probably overkill. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373846#373846 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: anticipated cruise?
From: "rorichts" <stolflite(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 24, 2012
Greetings New to the group, glad to be on board. I am in the process of buying a completed Piet. with a Corvair for the power plant. What can or should I expect for a cruise rpm and cruise speed? I realize the prop impacts the outcome but I'm looking for averages so I can determine what length and pitch should be used. Thank you in advance for you patience and help Your input is appreciated regards rich Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373850#373850 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: aileron quick disconnect
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: May 24, 2012
In order to get a copy of the UK Piet design, all you have to do is move to the UK or Australia, and send Jim Wills 200 Pounds, and he will gladly sell you a set of complete LAA approved plans which include the aileron quick-disconnect system, as well as a built-up spar, and a beefed-up split-axle landing gear design. Unfortunately, if you live outside of the UK or Australia, you're out of luck. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373852#373852 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: aileron quick disconnect
Date: May 25, 2012
Paul, I used the quick connect system on my Piet. The plans came from Jim Wills in the UK. Check out my web site for more details (http://www.cpc-world.com). There are some pictures of the system on my web site. Have a look at page 9 of the photos and start at image IMG_0965.JPG, about half way down the page. If I were to build another Piet, I would not bother with the quick connect. It adds weight, complexity and is certainly not a QUICK connect system. It works fine but it still takes two people an hour or so to remove and pack up the wings. If you have a hangar then they are not needed. Hope that helps. Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2012 10:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: aileron quick disconnect --> I read somewhere about how the brits have a aileron quick disconnect system to ease in removing wings. anyone know where i can get the plans for it? Thanks; Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373743#373743 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd(at)itctel.com>
Subject: cable cutting
Date: May 25, 2012
Thanks to all who responded to my question. It is what I really like about this group. I tried one by cutting with my side grinder cut off wheel. It worked but still a little sticky. I hope to pick up a cut off wheel for my dremel tool this weekend. Happy flying and building to all. Ralph ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc(at)aol.com>
Date: May 25, 2012
Greetings new to the group and welcome. I can't tell you about average corvair performance however it would be nice if you told us a bit about yourself. Like who are you a real name Where are you located Tail number Who's Piet you're buying Will you be attending Brodhead this year Just some basics would be nice, not required but nice information Thanks John Recine NX895JR reserved Do not archine Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, "rorichts" wrote: > > Greetings > New to the group, glad to be on board. > I am in the process of buying a completed Piet. with a Corvair for the power plant. > > What can or should I expect for a cruise rpm and cruise speed? > I realize the prop impacts the outcome but I'm looking for averages so I can determine what length and pitch should be used. > Thank you in advance for you patience and help > Your input is appreciated > regards > rich > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373850#373850 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 25, 2012
Subject: Tony Bingelis on cable cutting
My Uncle Tony.....er...okay..well Tony's books give some great alternatives to cutting cables, all of which have been covered here but I liked the bike shop cable cutting tool idea as the best bang for the buck. What strikes me about this list is that pre-Matronics Pietenpol list (when I was starting to build my Pietenpol) I really only had the Bingelis books to answer my questions and hands down, I could have built the Pietenpol without ever having the Matronics list because of the vast and complete inf ormation contained in those books. Thankfully we have both sources of great homebuilding info. (and many more thanks to the internet) I used to love hearing the old wives tales about what I should or shouldn't do on certain parts of the airplane and then finding out they were way off base after reading up on the subject in the Bingelis books. Okay, that's enough of my monthly sales pitch for my Uncle Tony's books:) Mike C. Best $89 dollars you'll ever spend on building your airplane. http://w ww.shopeaa.com/bingelissetof4.aspx [cid:image001.jpg(at)01CD3A5A.870FF510] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
From: "rorichts" <stolflite(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 25, 2012
Amsafetyc wrote: > Greetings new to the group and welcome. > > I can't tell you about average corvair performance however it would be nice if you told us a bit about yourself. > > Like who are you a real name Robert Richtsmeier > Where are you located Ackley Iowa > Tail number don't have > Who's Piet you're buying still working with owner so not at liberty > Will you be attending Brodhead this year hope to fly in if I buy and get these unanswered issues solved the plane has performance problem but interested in plane anyway and sure they can be overcome > > Just some basics would be nice, not required but nice information > > Thanks > > John Recine > NX895JR reserved > > Robert > anwers about the expected performance would be helpful so i can make the correct decisions to get the plane performance up to par would be nice also > > Do not archine > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2012, at 11:30 PM, "rorichts" wrote: > > > > > > > > Greetings > > New to the group, glad to be on board. > > I am in the process of buying a completed Piet. with a Corvair for the power plant. > > > > What can or should I expect for a cruise rpm and cruise speed? > > I realize the prop impacts the outcome but I'm looking for averages so I can determine what length and pitch should be used. > > Thank you in advance for you patience and help > > Your input is appreciated > > regards > > rich > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373850#373850 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373893#373893 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Davis" <bed(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Covering problem?
Date: May 25, 2012
You are putting way, way too much on! The first coats are put on with foam brushes and the reason for 2 light cross coats (4 coats) is to fill the weave. Don't try to fill the weave on the first coat as you will add pounds to the airplane and have difficulty just like you are having. Barry NX973BP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Rusch Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering problem? --> I am covering my tail feathers at the moment with SS. everything was going great until the application of the ecofill. The problem i ran into is ecofill saturating the fabric and building up on the structure underneath the fabric. Now that its dry, as i try sanding the surface i run into these clumps of primer just underneath the fabric stuck to the wood structure and i almost sand thru the fabric instantly! Anybody else run into this? I was thinking of taking the small iron and try to mash it flat but im afraid the fabric will stick.....obviously i put the ecofill on too thick.........it sure didnt seem like it when i was doing it though. -------- NX321LR Fully Assembled less covering Mistubishi Powered Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373748#373748 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Tony Bingelis on cable cutting
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10(at)cox.net>
Date: May 25, 2012
Oh yeah, you know one Mike... that cutthroat gelato pusher from Amish country. I hear that he might be bringing some reinforcements this year... a real tough guy. He eats Wisconsin brats in one bite and I hear that his favorite flavor of gelato is Birra Calda e Lime. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373899#373899 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RBush96589(at)aol.com
Date: May 25, 2012
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
welcome to the group Robert, I fly a corvair powered piet. I cruise at about 2400 to 2500 rpm with a cruise speed of around 75 to 80 mph. that is with a tn. prop. 64/34 prop. climb is around 400 to 600 fpm depending on the air. Randy Bush NX294RB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
From: "rorichts" <stolflite(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 25, 2012
[quote="RBush96589(at)aol.com"]welcome to the group Robert, I fly a corvair powered piet. I cruise at about 2400 to 2500 rpm with a cruise speed of around 75 to 80 mph. that is with a tn. prop. 64/34 prop. climb is around 400 to 600 fpm depending on the air. Randy Bush NX294RB > [b] Randy Thanks that is very useful help now I can compare with what is being offered and see what I need to do differently. If anyone else would care to chime in it would be appreciated regards robert Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373903#373903 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: May 25, 2012
Welcome to the group Robert. But, if I might make a suggestion, have a little patience. I think you posted your question yesterday, and then removed it, due to lack of response, not even a day later, with the comment "disappointing". I don't know what sort of response time you were expecting, but it must have been pretty short. So now, since you removed the question from your post, your message doesn't even have a question for anyone to respond to. One other thing to keep in mind is that every Pietenpol will perform slightly differently, due to the huge number of variables in play. First off, every Piet is hand made, and many if not all builders make some modifications (some tiny, and some huge) when building. There is a wide variety of powerplant options, but also propeller options as well. Wheels and landing gear also vary greatly (affecting the weight and drag). Probably the best single indicator (though not guaranteed) of good performance in a Pietenpol is the weight. The lighter the plane, the better it will likely perform. Good luck with your potential purchase. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373910#373910 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
Date: May 25, 2012
I know what he was expecting! He was expecting me to reply with a link to http://lmgtfy.com/q?corvair+cruise+site%3matronics.com like all the other dunderheads get when they ask questions that can answered easily with their favorite search engine. Well, in my defense, I'm on vacation writing haikus instead, so I'm a little behind. -- Dan Yocum yocum137(at)gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dan Yocum <yocum137(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
Date: May 25, 2012
You're right. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have just blatantly called Robert a dunderhead. That was uncalled for. I should have waited for cooler heads to prevail. Robert - you can still use Google to search on "corvair performance site:matronics.com" to find what you're interested in. Good luck with your purchase. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137(at)gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On May 25, 2012, at 2:06 PM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > Welcome to the group Robert. > > But, if I might make a suggestion, have a little patience. > > I think you posted your question yesterday, and then removed it, due to lack of response, not even a day later, with the comment "disappointing". I don't know what sort of response time you were expecting, but it must have been pretty short. > So now, since you removed the question from your post, your message doesn't even have a question for anyone to respond to. > One other thing to keep in mind is that every Pietenpol will perform slightly differently, due to the huge number of variables in play. First off, every Piet is hand made, and many if not all builders make some modifications (some tiny, and some huge) when building. There is a wide variety of powerplant options, but also propeller options as well. Wheels and landing gear also vary greatly (affecting the weight and drag). Probably the best single indicator (though not guaranteed) of good performance in a Pietenpol is the weight. The lighter the plane, the better it will likely perform. > > Good luck with your potential purchase. > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373910#373910 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Covering problem?
From: "H. Marvin Haught" <handainc(at)madisoncounty.net>
Date: May 25, 2012
You can smooth down pinked edges and rough spots with the iron, but you have to sand out clumps. But don't sand until you have a couple of more coats on - then what you can do is keep putting coats just over the clumps and sand until they disappear - in other words, keep applying ekofill to the trouble area and sanding it off until the clump disappears. You will also need to sand out the brush strokes or they will telegraph through the finish coat. The iron does soften the EkoFill but does not really melt it. M. Haught On May 24, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Chris Rusch wrote: > > Looks like i missed the wetting step..........I went right to applying the ekofill. After reading your attachment, i went WAY too heavy cause i can see brush strokes. I think the parts are savable cause you only feel the globs if you push on the fabric, you cant see them otherwise. What will happen if i use a piece of teflon fabric and push on the iron over the clumps? I would think it would melt the primer clump and flatten it. I really do not want to recover.......i did a really good job on the taping. > > -------- > NX321LR > Fully Assembled less covering > Mistubishi Powered > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373770#373770 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
Date: May 25, 2012
Robert, My Corvair powered Piet is not yet in the air, so I cannot answer your question. Keep in mind that there are only a handful of those flying right now, and not everyone monitors the list on a daily basis. It's not unusual to see responses 2 weeks later! You mentioned some performance problems. Maybe, if you were a little more specific, you might be able to tap into the vast knowledge base of a broader group. There are some issues that are common, no matter what the power plant, that can be overcome with rigging, W&B, etc. Throw it out there..... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? --> Welcome to the group Robert. But, if I might make a suggestion, have a little patience. I think you posted your question yesterday, and then removed it, due to lack of response, not even a day later, with the comment "disappointing". I don't know what sort of response time you were expecting, but it must have been pretty short. So now, since you removed the question from your post, your message doesn't even have a question for anyone to respond to. One other thing to keep in mind is that every Pietenpol will perform slightly differently, due to the huge number of variables in play. First off, every Piet is hand made, and many if not all builders make some modifications (some tiny, and some huge) when building. There is a wide variety of powerplant options, but also propeller options as well. Wheels and landing gear also vary greatly (affecting the weight and drag). Probably the best single indicator (though not guaranteed) of good performance in a Pietenpol is the weight. The lighter the plane, the better it will likely perform. Good luck with your potential purchase. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373910#373910 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
From: "rorichts" <stolflite(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 25, 2012
Thanks to all who have shared each in his own way, and I'll leave it at that. The replies have provided helpful info can and will be added to what I have learned additionally from a friend that stopped by the hanger this evening. With the input shared on prop size and pitch I now know what was on the plane was not right, so it is the first thing to address.. One thing I have learned was the carb. originally used was not large enough. and it did not have carb. heat , now has both. will get new prop install carb and hook up carb heat and test from there regards rich Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373965#373965 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: cable cutting
Date: May 25, 2012
Don't forget to buy the good fibre ones. Those tan, clay looking cheapo dremel ones fracture apart if you just happen to look at them the wrong way. Clif A mile of road will take you a mile, but a mile of runway will take you anywhere! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 6:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable cutting Thanks to all who responded to my question. It is what I really like about this group. I tried one by cutting with my side grinder cut off wheel. It worked but still a little sticky. I hope to pick up a cut off wheel for my dremel tool this weekend. Happy flying and building to all. Ralph No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05/25/12 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: cable cutting
Date: May 25, 2012
I took a page out of The Fisherman's book and went down to Harbor Freight f or my cable cutters. http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch-cable-cutter-40507.html On sale for $5.99 at the moment=2C and supposed to be good for cable up to 7/8". Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford=2C OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RBush96589(at)aol.com
Date: May 26, 2012
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
Robert, some other things you may want to look into on this plane are what was done to the corvair to convert it for aircraft use. if it is a straight out of the car bolt on to the plane engine using the blower fan and belt for cooling you are not going to get the power or performance of one using the latest up to date conversion techniques. I also would not feel safe flying behind it.things like forged pistons,a different cam and the right head work in my opinion are a must to make it close to a reliable aircraft engine. the impression i get from what you are saying with no carb heat and the wrong carb this guy may not know what it takes to make a corvair a safe aircraft engine. I would investigate a little harder before I made a purchase. Randy Bush NX294RB ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
From: "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 25, 2012
RBush96589 what do you get for fuel burn? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373982#373982 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RBush96589(at)aol.com
Date: May 26, 2012
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
4.5 to 5.5 gph ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2012
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
________________________________ From: "RBush96589(at)aol.com" <RBush96589(at)aol.com> Sent: Sat, May 26, 2012 7:44:01 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? 4.5 to 5.5 gph ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
So Gardiner what were you getting for cruise and what was your prop? Thanks, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2012
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
Hi Jim, I was getting about 85 with the warp drive. I don't know if that was correct. My static port is on the left side facing forward with my corvair. Somewhere I read that it would make a difference with the left turning engine. I might add another port on the right side. Cheers, Gardiner ________________________________ From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net> Sent: Sat, May 26, 2012 8:23:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? So Gardiner what were you getting for cruise and what was your prop? Thanks, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 26, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: anticipated cruise?
Hi Gardiner, I was curious as I have a warp drive prop too. Thanks, Jim Hi Jim, I was getting about 85 with the warp drive. I don't know if that was correct. My static port is on the left side facing forward with my corvair. Somewhere I read that it would make a difference with the left turning engine. I might add another port on the right side. Cheers, Gardiner From: Jim Boyer < boyerjrb(at)comcast.net > Sent: Sat, May 26, 2012 8:23:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: anticipated cruise? So Gardiner what were you getting for cruise and what was your prop? Thanks, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Skip. Jim P. is asking for your Address
From: Dave Nielsen <sentuchows(at)aol.com>
Date: May 26, 2012
Skip, Jim is asking for your email or home address. Says he goes fishing up by your place and would like to stop by and see you Dave Nielsen sentuchows(at)aol.com Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=373973#373973 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========= http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ======== s.com ======== atronics.com/contribution ======== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 27, 2012
Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
From: Perry Shipman <perrytshipman(at)gmail.com>
Mike, Thanks for keeping me/us on the list ... I think you added me two years ago when we started the Pietenpol build process ... now on the fuselage and thinking about the gear ... Dave and I (Dave Schlieder ... my childhood building/drinking buddy) are trudging along, putting one foot in front of another, having great fun! Next year we might have Dave doing his lessons which will, I believe, inspire him to finish jump on the wings and to fly up for the meet! Please add Dave to your list dschlieder(at)cox.net so we both can get you flier. Perry Shipman Lakeside, CA On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Michael Groah wrote: > Ok, everyone... we're now less than a week away from our west coast > Pietenpol gathering. > > It's June 2nd at Frazier lake..... See the attached flyer for the > rest of the info.... > > I'm looking forward to seeing you all there! > > Mike Groah > > -- [image: Photo] Perry T Shipman Lakeside, CA 92040 619.861.3035 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: anticipated cruise?
Date: May 27, 2012
I have flown NX41CC with two different engines and two props. I now have a third prop (Prince P-Tip)=2C but have not flown it yet. With the A65 and 72x42 Hegy wooden prop=2C the airplane cruised at 65-70MPH and sipped 4 gal /hr. I changed the engine to an A75 with a 72x36 Valley Engineering (Culve r) wooden prop to allow the engine to turn up to its rated 2600 RPM for tak eoff=2C which it does. It now cruises solidly at 70MPH and still sips abou t 4 gal/hr. at cruise=3B maybe just a tad more. I can make the airplane fly faster with full power=2C but it isn't happy there for long. I have made some high-speed passes down to the runway at our home field and also done s ome high-speed=2C high-power descents from altitude at 90-95MPH=2C but the airplane felt like it was going to jump out of its skin or pop its eyeballs =2C and I couldn't stand it either. It feels and flies best right around 6 5-70 MPH and that's where I am happiest with it too. Even at $5/gal for av gas=2C that's a $20 bill for an hour of flying in the most enjoyable airpla ne that I've ever had the privilege to fly. Well worth it. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford=2C OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
Date: May 28, 2012
...is not going to happen for me this year. Scout is still down in Texas =2C I'm in Oregon=2C and I'll be working on two final exams . Next year for sure! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford=2C OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Eyebrow template
From: "taildrags" <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 28, 2012
Joe; I see nobody else has chimed in on this, so maybe I can help. I don't have the templates but I do have a beat-up pair of eyebrows that I can pop in a box and mail to you to use for templates. Let me pull them out of the storage unit and shoot you a picture to see if they might serve for what you want. I don't know exactly what they're off of... someone told me they came from a Cub but I don't think they're as tall as Cub eyebrows. Anyway, I'll put up a picture here and then you can let me know. Where are you located? -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374102#374102 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Eyebrow template
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: May 28, 2012
Joe, I don't think there's a PDF file available for the patterns. There was a link recently for a set of full size plans, available for sale at a very reasonable price, from the Cub Club, but you do have to be a member of the Club to be able to buy them. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=88858&highlight=eyebrow Also, a few years ago, Chuck Gantzer was selling full size patterns. Not sure if they're still available. http://nx770cg.com/Video.html Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374107#374107 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: aileron quick disconnect
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 28, 2012
thanks guys, appreciate it. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374112#374112 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo(at)gmail.com>
Date: May 29, 2012
Subject: Re: Eyebrow template
Here I hace a very good pattern, you can upload it with any graphic program, and print in the size you want. Regards [image: Im=E1genes integradas 1] Mario Giacummo ... .. .-.. .- .- ...- . -. - ..- .-. .- . ... .--. . .-.. .. --. .-. --- ... .- --..-- .--. .-. --- -... .- .-.. .- .-. ..- - .. -. .- --..-- . ... -- --- .-. - .- .-.. !!!!! 2012/5/28 Bill Church > billspiet(at)sympatico.ca> > > Joe, > > I don't think there's a PDF file available for the patterns. > There was a link recently for a set of full size plans, available for sal e > at a very reasonable price, from the Cub Club, but you do have to be a > member of the Club to be able to buy them. > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=88858&highlight=eyebrow > Also, a few years ago, Chuck Gantzer was selling full size patterns. Not > sure if they're still available. > http://nx770cg.com/Video.html > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374107#374107 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2012
From: Joe Street <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Eyebrow template
Thanks Oscar and Bill for the response I did check the cub club, but though the pattern is not expensive, I am not a member. I may still pay the membership fee just to get the drawing but since I am so cheap I'll wait and see if I can get a pattern another way! To answer your question Oscar I am in SW Ontario. I have a set of eyebrows from the original builder which aren't too pretty but I guess do the job so I can trace out something from them and modify a little but was hoping to just find someone here who had laid out a pattern already. Or if there is anybody on this list who is a cub club member I could maybe reimburse them using pay pal if they could order me the drawings.... The other option I was considering since I read so much about the metal ones developing cracks was to make a composite set, but that doesn't really suit this airplane very well having composites on it. Joe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 29, 2012
Subject: EAA Chapter 1279 Pietenpol Update
Of possible interest-I'm forwarding this from the group who brought their b are-bones Pietenpol all the way from California a few years ago to display at Brodhead and Oshkosh. They are making good progress! Mike C. Dear Members, For all of you who have been following our progress on the Pietenpol Air Ca mper that has been under construction by our Saturday morning workshop crew for the past 7 years, you will be very happy to learn that we consider our selves to be in the "home stretch," nearing the finish line. Nearly all of 2011 was spent covering and rib lacing the wing, tail surface s, and fuselage. As you may remember from my last update, the final two we eks of last year were spent painting the whole project. So we began this y ear by reassembling the airplane for the final time. Our local DAR, John S hablow, advised us that we should get the paperwork started with FAA, as it could take up to 90 days to get it registered. For the first step, we wan ted to secure an N number for the airplane that would reflect the connectio n to our EAA chapter. Unfortunately, N1279 was already taken. In order to incorporate the "1279" chapter number, we would have to add a suffix. So we chose "Z," just 'cause "79 Zulu" kind of rolls off the tongue when spoke n over the radio. This morning (Saturday, May 26, 2012) we preformed a preliminary "weight an d balance" of the airplane (see photos below). Empty weight of the airplan e (with minimal work left to do on the engine and airframe) was measured at 727 lbs. (no fuel and no pilot). It takes considerable focus on weight re duction to get the empty weight of a Pietenpol under 650 lbs. And there ar e Piets with no electrical and no brakes that top 700 lbs empty weight. Wi th a full electrical system including starter motor, radio, and intercom, h ydrolic brakes, and a stearable tailwheel, we were expecting to be around 8 00 lbs. So we were delighted with an empty weight under 730 lbs. With a 170 lb. pilot our calculations put the CG at 18.5 inches aft of the leading edge of the wing. This falls within the CG design limits of 15" to 20" aft of the leading edge. Nonetheless, simply moving the wing aft 1" w ould put the CG right in the middle of the CG range. It is something worth considering. I should stress, however, that these were only preliminary c alculations using simple bathroom scales. There are a few things left to d o on the airplane. So we will give it careful consideration before making any modifications to our current configuration. Of course, the final weigh t and balance will be performed using aircraft scales when the airplane is "flight ready." As you can see in the photos below we have added our chapter logo to the si de of the fuselage as well as the N number on the tail. We are not too far from taxi testing and first flight, so stay tuned. Steve Williamson, Pres. EAA Chapter 1279 French Valley [cid:X.MA1.1338094878(at)aol.com] Dave McPhee and Dave Winsett measure the pilot location [cid:X.MA2.1338094878(at)aol.com] Dave McPhee performs CG calculations with Art supervising [cid:X.MA3.1338094878(at)aol.com] Final Configuation [cid:X.MA4.1338094878(at)aol.com] "NX1279Z" ready for taxi [cid:X.MA5.1338094878(at)aol.com] "Air Camper" valve covers were a gift from William Wynne ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Loose brass fitting
From: helspersew(at)aol.com
Date: May 29, 2012
"Forget the intrusion good people!", I am up in Poplar Grove this week doing some flight testing after having fi nished the in-stall of my new fuel tank. All is well with the tank and maki ng some more progress with the flying. Logged three hours yesterday alone. Finally learning how to land her properly. Next flight- 50 lbs bag of sand in the front. When I came down yesterday I noticed a big oil leak, coating the entire bel ly of the airplane, clear back to the tailwheel. Inspection of the inside o f the cowling revealed the source from just under the nose cone. I then rem oved the engine cowl completely in order to do the inspection. To my surpri se, I saw a completely unscrewed brass nut from a brass fittings ( ferrule, copper tube) non-pressurized oil return line (from the valve chamber down back to the oil pan). Could I have neglected to tighten that from last spr ing? I am thinking that was unlikely, but not impossible. Has anyone ever heard of one of those (properly torqued) coming loose from vibration? It kind of scared me so I elected to apply some Locktite when I reassembled. Any thoughts? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Loose brass fitting
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Date: May 29, 2012
Dan, My thoughts are failed to tighten it....maybe finger tight. I worked 40 years on 2000 to 15,000 hp engines with tons of compression fittings, mainly TyLock and Swagelock. Never saw one loosen up. I saw lots of fatigue cracks and some outright breaks of the tubing. There was a lot of vibration on those bad boys. The turbines would develop high frequency vibration too. That's my $0.02 -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374204#374204 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Taxi testing NX510JD
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Date: May 29, 2012
I taxied my Piet over the weekend........life is good. I am going to have to get a DAR ($500)to do the certification. FSDO in Birmingham just flat told me they were not doing it. Excuse was don't have the money for gas! I am on slow burn right now. I have an issue....static I think. When I run the engine up some say 1500 rpm the airspeed shows about 20 mph sitting still. I did not run a static line, just vented inside the panel. Reckon I could run a line out the bottom of the panel into the cockpit and solve the problem? That is the only issue I had. The airplane taxied great. The engine ran fine. I got a 2300 rpm static from the Cloudcars 76 X 44 prop. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374206#374206 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a43_123.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 29, 2012
Subject: Taxi testing NX510JD
Jerry--congratulations on that big step! With regard to your ASI showing speed when you're not moving try to plug your static port with a fitting of any kind and drilling a pin hole thru it to vent it. That should help it to read fine and not be as prone to cockpit wind issues. Maybe you have an open instrument panel bay too, dunno but try plugging first. I just use d a nylon fitting for the 1/4" airspeed lines and plugged it with a screw and drilled a pin hole thru the side of the fitting. Worked like a charm. Mike C. [cid:image001.png(at)01CD3DBD.67BDFCF0] ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Loose brass fitting
From: "tools" <n0kkj(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 29, 2012
Dan, Are you talking the type of nut in a compression fitting? There's lots of them on my tractors in the oil system and I've never seen one come loose from vibration. A very similar engine to the ford, simple water cooled gas burning 4 cyl 1900rpm engine, banging around with no suspension, since the 40's. My plane has quite a few of them in the individual cylinder priming system (A65) and haven't seen one come loose there either. On all of them I've worked on, I've always made of point of not making them very tight either. If you did just hand tighten it a year ago, it's quite possible it held till now! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374216#374216 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Great Weekend
Date: May 29, 2012
Had a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, nestled up against the Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be building a home, once we=92ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC ' the Pietenpol is already based in our hangar there). We are adding a back porch and tool shed to the hangar, but took a break from the work briefly on Sunday afternoon to do a little low and slow aviating. Karen took these pictures from our Pietenpol: This one shows the view right after takeoff, climbing out over the lake. Smith Mountain is in the distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain Lake is in the notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River, and creating a 22,000 acre lake with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful flight, with smooth air, light winds and nearly 100=B0 temeratures (density altitude was well over 3,000=92 and we were just below gross weight ' climb rate was about 150 fpm). This photo shows our hangar at the top, with our half-finished porch on the back side. The house you see (with the small hangar and the dead Cherokee Arrow) belongs to our next door neighbors. Ours will be built near the joggle in the driveway where our drive splits off from theirs. Life is Good! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Great Weekend
From: "pineymb" <airltd(at)mts.net>
Date: May 30, 2012
As good as it gets Jack. Congratulations! -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374251#374251 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2012
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Great Weekend
Hi Jack, looks great but when are you going to put fioats on your plane? Ga riner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack Philli ps =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:42:28 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0A=0A =0A Had a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia , nestled up aga inst =0Athe Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be building a home, once =0Awe=99ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC =93 t he Pietenpol is already based in our =0Ahangar there). We are adding a bac k porch and tool shed to the hangar, but took =0Aa break from the work brie fly on Sunday afternoon to do a little low and slow =0Aaviating. Karen too k these pictures from our Pietenpol:=0A =0A =0AThis one shows the view righ t after takeoff, climbing out over the lake. Smith =0AMountain is in the distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain Lake is in =0Athe notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River , and creating a 22,000 =0Aacre la ke with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful flight, with smooth =0A air, light winds and nearly 100=C2=B0 temeratures (density altitude was wel l over =0A3,000=99 and we were just below gross weight =93 clim b rate was about 150 fpm).=0A =0A =0AThis photo shows our hangar at the top , with our half-finished porch on the back =0Aside. The house you see (wit h the small hangar and the dead Cherokee Arrow) =0Abelongs to our next door neighbors. Ours will be built near the joggle in the =0Adriveway where ou r drive splits off from theirs.=0A =0ALife is Good!=0A =0AJack Phillips=0AN X899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Great Weekend
Date: May 30, 2012
Gardiner ' note the text where I pointed out I was getting 150 fpm climb. I doubt floats will improve that. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend Hi Jack, looks great but when are you going to put fioats on your plane? Gariner _____ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:42:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend Had a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia , nestled up against the Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be building a home, once we=92ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC ' the Pietenpol is already based in our hangar there). We are adding a back porch and tool shed to the hangar, but took a break from the work briefly on Sunday afternoon to do a little low and slow aviating. Karen took these pictures from our Pietenpol: This one shows the view right after takeoff, climbing out over the lake. Smith Mountain is in the distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain Lake is in the notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River , and creating a 22,000 acre lake with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful flight, with smooth air, light winds and nearly 100=B0 temeratures (density altitude was well over 3,000=92 and we were just below gross weight ' climb rate was about 150 fpm). This photo shows our hangar at the top, with our half-finished porch on the back side. The house you see (with the small hangar and the dead Cherokee Arrow) belongs to our next door neighbors. Ours will be built near the joggle in the driveway where our drive splits off from theirs. Life is Good! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2012
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Great Weekend
Well Jack , it looks like you will have to go Corvair. He He. Gardiner=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack Phillips <piet flyr(at)bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, May 30, 2012 8:28:39 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0A=0A =0AGard iner =93 note the text where I pointed out I was getting 150 fpm clim b. I =0Adoubt floats will improve that.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASm ith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpo l-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion=0ASent: Wednesday, May 30 , 2012 8:13 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol- List: Great Weekend=0A =0AHi Jack, looks great but when are you going to pu t fioats on your plane? Gariner=0A =0A =0A=0A______________________________ __=0A =0AFrom:Jack Phillips =0ATo: pietenpol-list@m atronics.com=0ASent: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:42:28 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List : Great Weekend=0AHad a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake , Virgini a , nestled up against =0Athe Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be building a home, once =0Awe=99ve closed on our house in Ralei gh NC =93 the Pietenpol is already based in our =0Ahangar there). W e are adding a back porch and tool shed to the hangar, but took =0Aa break from the work briefly on Sunday afternoon to do a little low and slow =0Aav iating. Karen took these pictures from our Pietenpol:=0A =0A =0AThis one s hows the view right after takeoff, climbing out over the lake. Smith =0AM ountain is in the distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain Lake is in =0Athe notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River , and creating a 22,000 =0Aacre lake with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful flig ht, with smooth =0Aair, light winds and nearly 100=C2=B0 temeratures (densi ty altitude was well over =0A3,000=99 and we were just below gross we ight =93 climb rate was about 150 fpm).=0A =0A =0AThis photo shows ou r hangar at the top, with our half-finished porch on the back =0Aside. The house you see (with the small hangar and the dead Cherokee Arrow) =0Abelon gs to our next door neighbors. Ours will be built near the joggle in the =0Adriveway where our drive splits off from theirs.=0A =0ALife is Good!=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake , Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Great Weekend
Looks like a beautiful area...fantastic place to fly. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Hegy Prop
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: May 30, 2012
Oscar, Do you still have that Hegy prop? I could be interested in it if you are not using it anymore. Thanks, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374263#374263 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Woodflier(at)aol.com
Date: May 30, 2012
Subject: Congratulations, Jerry
Jerry, that's a great feeling the first time your Piet moves under its own power. It isn't flying yet but it's getting close. Have you gotten the tail up yet? I ended up having to go the DAR route myself. Didn't like spending the money but it was worth it to get the airworthiness certificate. I don't know how you did your static system. I copied Mike Cuy and just drilled 1/16 holes in the plastic plugs plugging the static system side of the airspeed and altimeter. I haven't had any problem. Not sure if that affects the accuracy of the instruments but since indicated airspeed is what you're using as a reference for stall speed, approach, climb and cruise, the numbers you get during your test period are what matter and what you'll use. I use a non-sensitive alitmeter so a few feet off doesn't affect that either. I'm assuming you have the pitot tube far enough outboard on the wing not to be affected by the prop blast. Even with the pitot outboard of the wing strut attach point on my Piet, I get a bobble of 5-7 mph on my airspeed when I do a static runup. Now if you can get it certified in the next week or so, you can conceivably fly off the test period and make it to Brodhead this year.. ;) Matt Paxton I taxied my Piet over the weekend........life is good. I am going to have to get a DAR ($500)to do the certification. FSDO in Birmingham just flat told me they were not doing it. Excuse was don't have the money for gas! I am on slow burn right now. I have an issue....static I think. When I run the engine up some say 1500 rpm the airspeed shows about 20 mph sitting still. I did not run a static line, just vented inside the panel. Reckon I could run a line out the bottom of the panel into the cockpit and solve the problem? That is the only issue I had. The airplane taxied great. The engine ran fine. I got a 2300 rpm static from the Cloudcars 76 X 44 prop. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: May 30, 2012
Subject: static port plugging on ASI and ALT and Jerry's 1st taxi
text Good point Matt-I neglected to say that I plugged both the ASI and ALT stat ic ports then drilled tiny vent holes in each plug to atmosphere like Matt did. In doing a ground run wit h my gps over a closed course about 7 years ago I found that the ASI was accurate within 2 mph which is good enou gh for me. (slow is slow:)) And, not to bead a dead Uncle (ouch) but I believe I got the static pluggin g/venting idea from the......are you ready.....Tony Bingelis books! Thanks Uncle Tony! Very exciting Jerry. I did all of my taxi testing off of a grass runway and it really helped me get used to the feel of the rudder bar, tailwheel steering and suspension. A few things you may find on taxi testing: One bungee is wrapped tighter than the other so when you see the axel bouncing off the ash block it isn't of equal distance side to side. (if you've got a straight axel) Tailspring resistance is too stiff or too soft. In my case I only had one leaf spring and it was way too soft which resulted in the tailwheel steering cables slaping against the bottom of the fuselage. Having just one leaf spring is a bad idea anyway because there's no backup spring should one break and lo w and behold thank goodness I did install a second spring before flying the plane because about 5 years into flying the thing one of my leafs broke on landing. No damage, no worries as the second leaf backed it up. Mike C. [cid:image001.png(at)01CD3E5A.977505E0] ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Great Weekend
Date: May 30, 2012
Nope. Too many mountains around there. If I lived in the midwest, I=92d be interested in an auto engine conversion, but it would be a Model A Ford. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend Well Jack , it looks like you will have to go Corvair. He He. Gardiner _____ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Wed, May 30, 2012 8:28:39 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend Gardiner ' note the text where I pointed out I was getting 150 fpm climb. I doubt floats will improve that. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend Hi Jack, looks great but when are you going to put fioats on your plane? Gariner _____ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:42:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend Had a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia , nestled up against the Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be building a home, once we=92ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC ' the Pietenpol is already based in our hangar there). We are adding a back porch and tool shed to the hangar, but took a break from the work briefly on Sunday afternoon to do a little low and slow aviating. Karen took these pictures from our Pietenpol: This one shows the view right after takeoff, climbing out over the lake. Smith Mountain is in the distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain Lake is in the notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River , and creating a 22,000 acre lake with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful flight, with smooth air, light winds and nearly 100=B0 temeratures (density altitude was well over 3,000=92 and we were just below gross weight ' climb rate was about 150 fpm). This photo shows our hangar at the top, with our half-finished porch on the back side. The house you see (with the small hangar and the dead Cherokee Arrow) belongs to our next door neighbors. Ours will be built near the joggle in the driveway where our drive splits off from theirs. Life is Good! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2012
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: OT from Piets but still neat...
http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/full/tour-pkg.html John Franklin Prairie Aire 4TA0 GN-1 / Corvair ________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: First flight Accident
From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>
Date: May 30, 2012
Does anyone know of this fellow or plane? Sounds like the pilot is OK which is good news. http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id 120510X35303&key=1 -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374301#374301 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: static port plugging on ASI and ALT and Jerry's 1st
taxi tex
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Date: May 30, 2012
Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. I do have a plug with a tiny hole in it in the static port. I will climb that mountain and let you all know what fixes it. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374303#374303 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob edson" <robertse(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: officially an airplane
Date: May 30, 2012
Another giant step taken. As of May 30,2012 NXWE53 is an airplane. The inspection went good and the certificate was issued. Now we have to take the wings off and move it to the airport. The tempo is speeding up. Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: officially an airplane
Date: May 30, 2012
Congratulations, Bob! We're anxiously awaiting a first flight report. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob edson Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: officially an airplane Another giant step taken. As of May 30,2012 NXWE53 is an airplane. The inspection went good and the certificate was issued. Now we have to take the wings off and move it to the airport. The tempo is speeding up. Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: First flight Accident
From: "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: May 30, 2012
That is sad news! Glad he is ok. From the list Don is retired, was building the short fuselage with the model A. Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On May 30, 2012, at 2:30 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Does anyone know of this fellow or plane? Sounds like the pilot is OK which is good news. > > http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id 120510X35303&key=1 > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374301#374301 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Vertical stab offset
Date: May 30, 2012
Okay you flyers. Who has offset their vertical stab and how much. What is your experience, does it help, hinder, do nothing?? As always there are myriad opinions, so I'm really interested in real world experience. Thanks! Douwe Darned glass cowling almost finished (way more work than sheet metal one), fuse covering materials ordered, plan to start covering it next week! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Vertical stab offset
Date: May 30, 2012
NX18235, with an A-65, is flying with the vertical fin offset to the left about 1 1/2". Feet off the rudder bar and the ball still settles about 1 ball width to the right. Offsetting the fin helped a lot and it is wise for builders to have a means of adjusting the fin. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stab offset Okay you flyers. Who has offset their vertical stab and how much. What is your experience, does it help, hinder, do nothing?? As always there are myriad opinions, so I'm really interested in real world experience. Thanks! Douwe Darned glass cowling almost finished (way more work than sheet metal one), fuse covering materials ordered, plan to start covering it next week! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 30, 2012
From: airlion <airlion(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Great Weekend
Jack, what was your altitude in the pictures? Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___ _____________________________=0AFrom: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net >=0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, May 30, 2012 11:56:50 AM =0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0A=0A =0ANope. Too many moun tains around there. If I lived in the midwest, I=99d be =0Aintereste d in an auto engine conversion, but it would be a Model A Ford.=0A =0A=0A__ ______________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matro nics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion=0ASent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:38 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matro nics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0A =0AWell Jack , it looks like you will have to go Corvair. He He. Gardiner=0A =0A =0A=0A______ __________________________=0A =0AFrom:Jack Phillips =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, May 30, 2012 8:28:39 AM =0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0AGardiner =93 note the text where I pointed out I was getting 150 fpm climb. I =0Adoubt floats w ill improve that.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Vi rginia=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol -list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics .com] On Behalf Of airlion=0ASent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:13 AM=0ATo: pi etenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0A =0AHi Jack, looks great but when are you going to put fioats on your plane? Gariner=0A =0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:Jack Phil lips =0ATo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tu e, May 29, 2012 8:42:28 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend=0AHad a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia , nestled up against =0Athe Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be building a home , once =0Awe=99ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC =93 the Pi etenpol is already based in our =0Ahangar there). We are adding a back por ch and tool shed to the hangar, but took =0Aa break from the work briefly o n Sunday afternoon to do a little low and slow =0Aaviating. Karen took the se pictures from our Pietenpol:=0A =0A =0AThis one shows the view right aft er takeoff, climbing out over the lake. Smith =0AMountain is in the dist ance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain Lake is in =0Athe notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River , and creating a 22,000 =0Aacre lake w ith 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful flight, with smooth =0Aair, light winds and nearly 100=C2=B0 temeratures (density altitude was well ov er =0A3,000=99 and we were just below gross weight =93 climb ra te was about 150 fpm).=0A =0A =0AThis photo shows our hangar at the top, wi th our half-finished porch on the back =0Aside. The house you see (with th e small hangar and the dead Cherokee Arrow) =0Abelongs to our next door nei ghbors. Ours will be built near the joggle in the =0Adriveway where our dr ive splits off from theirs.=0A =0ALife is Good!=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899 JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake , Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Vertical stab offset
Date: May 30, 2012
I offset my fin 1" and it is not enough (Continental A65, with a little right thrust built into the engine mount). Mine also flies feet off with the ball about a ball width to the right of center. I'm considering adding a small trim tab to the rudder - just a wedge attached to the trailing edge, not sticking beyond it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stab offset NX18235, with an A-65, is flying with the vertical fin offset to the left about 1 1/2". Feet off the rudder bar and the ball still settles about 1 ball width to the right. Offsetting the fin helped a lot and it is wise for builders to have a means of adjusting the fin. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe <mailto:douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net> Blumberg Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stab offset Okay you flyers. Who has offset their vertical stab and how much. What is your experience, does it help, hinder, do nothing?? As always there are myriad opinions, so I'm really interested in real world experience. Thanks! Douwe Darned glass cowling almost finished (way more work than sheet metal one), fuse covering materials ordered, plan to start covering it next week! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Great Weekend
Date: May 30, 2012
Probably about 500=92 AGL. I rarely fly much higher than that. Takes too long to get much higher. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend Jack, what was your altitude in the pictures? Gardiner _____ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Wed, May 30, 2012 11:56:50 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend Nope. Too many mountains around there. If I lived in the midwest, I=92d be interested in an auto engine conversion, but it would be a Model A Ford. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend Well Jack , it looks like you will have to go Corvair. He He. Gardiner _____ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Wed, May 30, 2012 8:28:39 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend Gardiner ' note the text where I pointed out I was getting 150 fpm climb. I doubt floats will improve that. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend Hi Jack, looks great but when are you going to put fioats on your plane? Gariner _____ From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 8:42:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend Had a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia , nestled up against the Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be building a home, once we=92ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC ' the Pietenpol is already based in our hangar there). We are adding a back porch and tool shed to the hangar, but took a break from the work briefly on Sunday afternoon to do a little low and slow aviating. Karen took these pictures from our Pietenpol: This one shows the view right after takeoff, climbing out over the lake. Smith Mountain is in the distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain Lake is in the notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River , and creating a 22,000 acre lake with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful flight, with smooth air, light winds and nearly 100=B0 temeratures (density altitude was well over 3,000=92 and we were just below gross weight ' climb rate was about 150 fpm). This photo shows our hangar at the top, with our half-finished porch on the back side. The house you see (with the small hangar and the dead Cherokee Arrow) belongs to our next door neighbors. Ours will be built near the joggle in the driveway where our drive splits off from theirs. Life is Good! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Ash specs
From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: May 31, 2012
Do the same aircraft grade requirements apply to the ash that is used in the floor braces? Can sitka spruce be used here? I'm having a tough time finding quartersawn ash with the required 6 annual rings per inch. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374350#374350 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Ash specs
Date: May 31, 2012
The answers to your question are "No" and "No". Ash does not (and cannot) be held to the same requirement for annual growth rings as it is a different species and family from Spruce. But you want to use Ash where specified, even though it is heavy, because it is very strong and among all the woods it has the best "shock-absorbing" ability (which is why it is the wood of choice for baseball bats). Notice that the locations where Ash is specified - landing gear load zones and engine mounts - are areas that receive shock loading. One other pleasant characteristic of Ash is that it simply doesn't splinter and sands very smooth - which is why the other big use for Ash is in gymnastic parallel bars. Other woods might splinter and hurt the hands of the gymnast. Just buy Ash with the straightest grain you can find and you'll be fine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ash specs Do the same aircraft grade requirements apply to the ash that is used in the floor braces? Can sitka spruce be used here? I'm having a tough time finding quartersawn ash with the required 6 annual rings per inch. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374350#374350 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ash specs
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: May 31, 2012
Thanks Jack. This is the best piece I could find yesterday. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374356#374356 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07562_107.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Ash specs
Date: May 31, 2012
Nice looking wood, but I'm not sure it is Ash. Ash is white in color, with more pronounced grain than this looks to have. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ash specs Thanks Jack. This is the best piece I could find yesterday. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374356#374356 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07562_107.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ash specs
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: May 31, 2012
Perhaps its just the shop lighting. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374365#374365 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07564_672.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Vertical stab offset
Jack, (or anyone else, please), do you recall how much off set you used for the right thrust adjustment on the engine mount?- I am currently buildin g my engine mount jig and I was going to use about 1/2". Should I go more? - I realize I can add shims later, if needed, but I want to do as much as I can now. Thanks. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Vertical stab offset
Date: May 31, 2012
As I recall (and I no longer have my jig. I think Steve Chase has it now), it has 9/16" right offset. I've got to make a run up to the lake this weekend, moving my RV-10 project. If I have time, I'll pull the cowling on the Pietenpol and measure it. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:46 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Vertical stab offset Jack, (or anyone else, please), do you recall how much off set you used for the right thrust adjustment on the engine mount? I am currently building my engine mount jig and I was going to use about 1/2". Should I go more? I realize I can add shims later, if needed, but I want to do as much as I can now. Thanks. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Vertical stab offset
Thanks Jack. The plans call out 9/16" offset to get the down thrust, so I w as trying to be in that ball park for the right thrust as well.- (along w ith the itell. Mike C. gave me from what he recalls doing.)- My big conce rn is having the mounting pads so far out of plane that the flat faced engi ne bosses won't sit correctly on the mount. (With down and right thrust, al l four mount pads are at different heights.) Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ash specs
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: May 31, 2012
Hows this look in natural light? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374387#374387 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07568_112.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Ash specs
Date: May 31, 2012
That looks more like Ash -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ash specs Hows this look in natural light? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374387#374387 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07568_112.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2012
From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Ash specs
Hi John, That looks like the Ash we had at Woodcraft and that I used on my Piet. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Ash specs
From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com>
Date: May 31, 2012
If anyone needs some ash, I've got some and can machine to suit. $4 for the pair of cross braces and $10 for a 3 piece Ford set. Shipping would cost more than the wood but delivery for free at Brodhead??? Dave Aldrich Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374397#374397 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Vertical stab offset
From: "chase143(at)aol.com" <chase143(at)aol.com>
Date: May 31, 2012
Mike and Jack, Yes, I still have "the mount that Jack built"! It worked great (not flying yet) and I seem to recall 9/16" offset, but I would have to double check when I get home. BTW, Jack's mount is available to pass along to anyone interested (he said it was OK, and I know he likes Spotted Cow in Brodhead!). I'm in Southern Maryland if interested, feel free to contact me offline; chase143(at)aol.com. Steve -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374409#374409 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: scarf joint for spar
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 31, 2012
have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face, or the edge. I know 43-13 probably explains it, but I dont have a copy yet. which way is acceptable for a spar. I plan on 3/4 stock with 1/8 inch lamination on each side. Sorry if this is obvious by looking at plans too, but dont have those yet either. curiosity has gotten the best of me. thanks; Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374412#374412 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: scarf joint for spar
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: May 31, 2012
looks like i found my answer on an online 43-13. well anywho, has anyone made a scarf joint on a spar? any laminations over it? thanks; Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374414#374414 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2012
From: Joe Street <jstreet(at)uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Eyebrow template
Thanks to all who responded to my request. Joe ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Eyebrows
From: Gerry Holland <gholland@content-stream.co.uk>
Date: May 31, 2012
I've just purchased a pair of Eye Brows from Czechoslovakia. Started creating templates but had plenty of other jobs. They seem very well made and include a spare metal template kit. Just fitting them at the moment. Price was 199 Euro's for the Set, about $245.00. Carriage and packing charges are on top and here in Europe I had to pay Value Added Tax. The whole lot delivered by UPS to me at a cost of $385.00 Take a look: http://www.falconaircraft.cz/inzerce/inzerat/piper-j3-cub-l4-baffle-cowlin g-continental-engines-c65-c85-c90-0-200a I dealt with a guy called Marek Vala. E-mail: falconaircraft(at)email.cz Phone: +420 602 779 356 Regards Gerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Vertical stab offset)
Date: May 31, 2012
Actually this is a jig to make an engine mount. It has successfully held together for welding my mount, Matt Paxton's and now Steve Chase's. Whoever wants it is welcome to it - my only requirement is that it be passed along to another A65 powered Pietenpol builder, and I'd like to know where it is in case I ever need it for a repair. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of chase143(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vertical stab offset Mike and Jack, Yes, I still have "the mount that Jack built"! It worked great (not flying yet) and I seem to recall 9/16" offset, but I would have to double check when I get home. BTW, Jack's mount is available to pass along to anyone interested (he said it was OK, and I know he likes Spotted Cow in Brodhead!). I'm in Southern Maryland if interested, feel free to contact me offline; chase143(at)aol.com. Steve -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374409#374409 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: scarf joint for spar
From: "Jack(at)textors.com" <jack(at)textors.com>
Date: May 31, 2012
I used a laminated spar with scarfs. Pictures here http://textors.com/PietProject.html Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On May 31, 2012, at 2:32 PM, "nightmare" wrote: > > looks like i found my answer on an online 43-13. well anywho, has anyone made a scarf joint on a spar? any laminations over it? thanks; Paul > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374414#374414 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2012
From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: scarf joint for spar
My spars were built as an I-beam design with 3/8" ply sandwiched between 5/16" x 1" Douglas fir strips. The scarf joints, following the 15:1 rule, were about 6" in length and were laminated with 1/8" ply. A 6" scarf is a pain in the arse to fit properly. Disclaimer here, I haven't flown these wings yet! John Franklin Prairie Aire 4TA0 GN-1 / Corvair -----Original Message----- >From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> >Sent: May 31, 2012 2:19 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar > > >have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face, or the edge. I know 43-13 probably explains it, but I dont have a copy yet. which way is acceptable for a spar. I plan on 3/4 stock with 1/8 inch lamination on each side. Sorry if this is obvious by looking at plans too, but dont have those yet either. curiosity has gotten the best of me. thanks; Paul > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374412#374412 > > ________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 31, 2012
From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: scarf joint for spar
I'd heard word-of-mouth at SNF that the recommended scarfing slope in AC 43-13 (Chapter 1, somewhere around page 15) had increased to 15 to 1. I don't remember what it used to be, or if that was a line just to sucker me in, but you might want to check it out just in case. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> >Sent: May 31, 2012 4:43 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar > > >My spars were built as an I-beam design with 3/8" ply sandwiched between 5/16" x 1" Douglas fir strips. The scarf joints, following the 15:1 rule, were about 6" in length and were laminated with 1/8" ply. A 6" scarf is a pain in the arse to fit properly. Disclaimer here, I haven't flown these wings yet! > >John Franklin >Prairie Aire 4TA0 >GN-1 / Corvair > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> >>Sent: May 31, 2012 2:19 PM >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar >> >> >>have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face, or the edge. I know 43-13 probably explains it, but I dont have a copy yet. which way is acceptable for a spar. I plan on 3/4 stock with 1/8 inch lamination on each side. Sorry if this is obvious by looking at plans too, but dont have those yet either. curiosity has gotten the best of me. thanks; Paul >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374412#374412 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: scarf joint for spar
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: May 31, 2012
Always been 15 to 1. Gary Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ash <ashcan(at)earthlink.net> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:14:05 for spar I'd heard word-of-mouth at SNF that the recommended scarfing slope in AC 43-13 (Chapter 1, somewhere around page 15) had increased to 15 to 1. I don't remember what it used to be, or if that was a line just to sucker me in, but you might want to check it out just in case. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: John Franklin <jbfjr(at)peoplepc.com> >Sent: May 31, 2012 4:43 PM >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar > > >My spars were built as an I-beam design with 3/8" ply sandwiched between 5/16" x 1" Douglas fir strips. The scarf joints, following the 15:1 rule, were about 6" in length and were laminated with 1/8" ply. A 6" scarf is a pain in the arse to fit properly. Disclaimer here, I haven't flown these wings yet! > >John Franklin >Prairie Aire 4TA0 >GN-1 / Corvair > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> >>Sent: May 31, 2012 2:19 PM >>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: scarf joint for spar >> >> >>have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face, or the edge. I know 43-13 probably explains it, but I dont have a copy yet. which way is acceptable for a spar. I plan on 3/4 stock with 1/8 inch lamination on each side. Sorry if this is obvious by looking at plans too, but dont have those yet either. curiosity has gotten the best of me. thanks; Paul >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374412#374412 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: scarf joint for spar
From: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Date: May 31, 2012
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Subject: Re: scarf joint for spar
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 01, 2012
sensing a bit of sarcasm Ryan. my question "have seen 2 different ways of making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face, or the edge. which way is acceptable for a spar?" I did find the answer for that in chapter 1 section 40 figure 4 (not section 4). I then put out a statement about how I plan on building my spar. Since this is probably the most critical part of a homebuilt aircraft , and there is obviously several different ways of making a spar, and since 43-13 is "the bible" and we know the bible is never misinterpreted, I figured this being a forum, it would be nice to hear from the folks who have actually built , flown and know others who have done the same. Based on the responses and some questioning of the "bible", I'm glad I brought up the subject. forgive me if I incorrectly sensed your sarcasm. haven't had my coffee yet. Thanks to the others for your responses, great pics Jack. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374455#374455 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2012
Subject: Re: scarf joint for spar
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23(at)gmail.com>
No, that would be Chapter 1, Section 4, Item 1-40 you are probably referring to; Chapter 1, on wood structures, has only 5 sections. 43:13 is not biblical, it's just approved data. If you follow the method illustrated (the only one I see therein), you can reasonably be assured that your methods are sound. Ryan On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:45 AM, nightmare wrote: > pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com> > > sensing a bit of sarcasm Ryan. my question "have seen 2 different ways of > making a scarf joint. joint is made along the face, or the edge. which way > is acceptable for a spar?" I did find the answer for that in chapter 1 > section 40 figure 4 (not section 4). I then put out a statement about how I > plan on building my spar. Since this is probably the most critical part of > a homebuilt aircraft , and there is obviously several different ways of > making a spar, and since 43-13 is "the bible" and we know the bible is > never misinterpreted, I figured this being a forum, it would be nice to > hear from the folks who have actually built , flown and know others who > have done the same. Based on the responses and some questioning of the > "bible", I'm glad I brought up the subject. forgive me if I incorrectly > sensed your sarcasm. haven't had my coffee yet. > Thanks to the others for your responses, great pics Jack. > Paul > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374455#374455 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jun 01, 2012
Subject: additional info on scarfing can be found.......
In the Tony Bingelis books. Not to beat a really dead horse but I'm amaz ed at how many of the questions about building are covered in the Bingelis book series inc luding how to make a sound and proper scarf joint. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2012
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Fun Pietenpol video
This is from the Pietenpol group on Facebook...for those of you NOT on Facebook (and good for you!)....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHxkjEn6IA&feature=colike If that link fails, search Youtube for: "Pietenpol gyroflyer582" Jim in Pryor NX1929J ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Engine mounts, vertical fin offsets and ash
From: woodflier(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 01, 2012
To conserve posts, I'm commenting on a few threads here: 1. Jack Phillips's engine mount jig worked beautifully for me. If he says t hat he put 9/16 offset for the engine into it, which sounds about right, th en my experience has been that it works well for an A-65. 2. I offset my vertical fin 3/4" and that seems about right, again for the A-65 with the 9/16 offset on the mount. Realize that that engine offset and fin offset should be working together make the airplane fly straight when in level flight without any rudder input. I can't tell you which modificat ion results in more effect but the combination I have works well. 3. I bought the ash pieces that form the carry-through for the loads on the main gear and wing struts from Paxton Lumber Company probably 12 years ago . I can't recall whether I got a single 4X4 piece and cut it down or had th em mill me pieces to the correct dimension but it was beautiful, straight g rained wood. They're on the web but also have locations in several mid-west ern cities. As Jack correctly pointed out, ash is much stronger, though heavier cubic i nch for inch, than Sitka spruce. I was asked to go look at Piet a guy had b ought, recently completed and certified with the 40 hours flown off. The ca rry through pieces were some kind of plywood, didn't even appear to be airc raft grade. Wood substitution in a lot of the structure is a Pietenpol trad ition but this particular area gets a lot of load and is pretty critical fo r the overall structural integrity of the airplane. I'm sure there are prob ably hardwoods that could be substituted for white ash, but ash readily ava ilable, not particularly expensive considering the small amount needed, and proven over 80 years. Matt Paxton ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jun 01, 2012
Subject: right thrust offset on Continental Piet motor mounts
Collecting all of the good input on this subject and talking with Mike Pere z as he is starting to put his engine mount together. I followed Frank Pavliga's A-65 setup by u sing large washers behind the left motor mount rubbers to give me right thrust offset. The be auty here is that you can add and subtract these washers as you see fit during the trimming and f light test periods. The only limitation you might run into is cowling/nosebowl interference but it is worth a try if your plane doesn't fly quite true. You can also washer in downthrust if yo u think it needs it but the Pietenpol motor mount gives enough downthrust (I believe) as drawn/desi gned. Was just talking with Mike yesterday about the (okay...I'm even getting sic k of myself mentioning my Uncle Tony but...) flight test/ wing-aileron-tailfeather procedure that Tony describes in his books. I followed that procedure adjusting wing forks and such and finally added a small ground-adjustable aluminum trim tab to the rudder that requires just a little offset for mine to fly true, feet flat, hands-off. It took some doing finding calm air and run these up and down trials but we ll worth it. Who knows, I may have even gained 2 mph with the drag reduction in the process. Mike C. [cid:image001.png(at)01CD3FE2.DC077F10] [cid:image002.png(at)01CD3FE2.DC077F10] ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: right thrust offset on Continental Piet motor mounts
Mike, to be clear and to be sure I heard you correctly during our talks...y ou built your engine mount with some right thrust and then- added washers later during flight testing, correct? Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2012
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Engine mounts, vertical fin offsets and ash
Since the Corvair engine turns the opposite of all the "real" aircraft engines, does the fin offset also become reversed? If so, what offset has been used? Thanks, Tom Stinemetze N328Xray ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Krause" <Raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin?
Date: Jun 01, 2012
Dear group, Is it correct that the flyin at Fraiser Lake is tomorrow? I have heard no mention about it lately. Thanks, Ray Krause ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:46 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fun Pietenpol video > > > This is from the Pietenpol group on Facebook...for those of you NOT on > Facebook (and good for you!)....... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHxkjEn6IA&feature=colike > > If that link fails, search Youtube for: "Pietenpol gyroflyer582" > > Jim in Pryor > NX1929J > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov>
Date: Jun 01, 2012
Subject: right thrust offset on Continental Piet motor mounts
Yes Mike P., I recall building in some right offset into my motor mount jig but just not sure how much. I then added the washers. I'll have to measure someday when the cowling is off just wh at that offset is. I actually added the washers before I even flew the plane and they were so close after rigging and test flying/ adjusting that I added that ground-adjustable aluminum trim tab on the rudder so I w ouldn't have to fuss with adding washers, getting a cherry picker..etc. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin?
From: Michael Groah <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 01, 2012
Yes. The west coast gathering is tomorrow. Are you going to make it? Mike Groah. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2012, at 10:07 AM, "Ray Krause" wrote: > > Dear group, > > Is it correct that the flyin at Fraiser Lake is tomorrow? I have heard no mention about it lately. > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle(at)mindspring.com> > To: "Pietenpol List" > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:46 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fun Pietenpol video > > >> >> This is from the Pietenpol group on Facebook...for those of you NOT on Facebook (and good for you!)....... >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHxkjEn6IA&feature=colike >> >> If that link fails, search Youtube for: "Pietenpol gyroflyer582" >> >> Jim in Pryor >> NX1929J >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2012
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: right thrust offset on Continental Piet motor mounts
Cool. Good stuff...thanks for all your help. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2012
From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Engine mounts, vertical fin offsets and ash
Tom,=0A-=0AYes, it does.=0A-=0AThe original Pietenpol engine mount for the Corvair has some off sett build in.=0A-=0ABut I added a 3/8 on the Fi n also=0A-=0AHans=0ANX 15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A =0A=0A_______________________ _________=0A From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@m atronics.com =0ASent: Friday, June 1, 2012 11:26 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpo l-List: Engine mounts, vertical fin offsets and ash=0A =0A--> Pietenpol-L ist message posted by: "TOM STINEMETZE" =0A=0ASince the C orvair engine turns the opposite of all the "real" aircraft engines, does t he fin offset also become reversed?- If so, what offset has been used?=0A =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: scarf joint for spar
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet(at)sympatico.ca>
Date: Jun 01, 2012
Getting back to the original question, Paul, it's funny that you should be asking this question, even thought you do not have a set of plans, because the Pietenpol plans show a method of spar splicing that is NOT recommended (see attached clip from the plans). Probably all of the early Pietenpol aircraft used this method, and I don't think that they fell from the skies as a result, but it is not a very strong method of splicing. As it happens, the bulk of the heavy lifting is performed by the lift struts. The 3 piece wing has a 3 piece spar, held together with a few bolts, but actually free to pivot (if the lift struts weren't there) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374499#374499 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dwg_no_5_159.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fun Pietenpol video
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake(at)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 01, 2012
Scary, treacherous, and thrilling...!! -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374501#374501 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine mounts, vertical fin offsets and ash
From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Jun 01, 2012
Hi Tom - I left everything at zero and, predictably, require lots of left pedal. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374502#374502 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Krause" <Raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin?
Date: Jun 01, 2012
Plan to depart Colusa at around 8 AM ..... but in my Waiex. Thanks, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Groah" <dskogrover(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Westcoast Pietenpol flyin? > > Yes. The west coast gathering is tomorrow. Are you going to make it? > > Mike Groah. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 1, 2012, at 10:07 AM, "Ray Krause" > wrote: > >> >> >> Dear group, >> >> Is it correct that the flyin at Fraiser Lake is tomorrow? I have heard >> no mention about it lately. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" >> >> To: "Pietenpol List" >> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 5:46 AM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fun Pietenpol video >> >> >>> >>> >>> This is from the Pietenpol group on Facebook...for those of you NOT on >>> Facebook (and good for you!)....... >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHxkjEn6IA&feature=colike >>> >>> If that link fails, search Youtube for: "Pietenpol gyroflyer582" >>> >>> Jim in Pryor >>> NX1929J >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: cable cutting
From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz(at)cox.net>
Date: Jun 01, 2012
I have those cutters, Oscar. And I would NOT want to shake the hand of the man who can cut 7/8" cable with these! I used them to cut some 1" diameter heavy duty rubber air conditioning hose this evening, and while it was manageable, it was not very easy. I do believe that these cutters would easily handle 3/32" or 1/8" aircraft cable, and copper electrical cable up to about 1/2". I would not care to try it on anything much more substantial than that. -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374511#374511 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stanley" <mmrally(at)nifty.com>
Subject: Re: Fun Pietenpol video
Date: Jun 02, 2012
Hi Jim, Haha....incredible Action.....good stuff! Thanks for posting .........and no, I am not on Facebook so you link was great! Mark S in Japan -----Original Message----- From: Jim Markle Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 9:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fun Pietenpol video This is from the Pietenpol group on Facebook...for those of you NOT on Facebook (and good for you!)....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OHxkjEn6IA&feature=colike If that link fails, search Youtube for: "Pietenpol gyroflyer582" Jim in Pryor NX1929J ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: fin offset for Corvairs
Date: Jun 02, 2012
Yes, the offset for a Corvair or any engine that spins in the opposite direction from a Continental would require fin offset in the opposite (and probably equal) direction. Angle the fin to the left side of the fuselage (facing forward) for standard rotating engines and towards the right side (facing forward) for Corvairs-n'-such. Or just leave it like original and like most probably do and just hold a bit more rudder. Douwe Big day here, just shot the final color coat on the cowling and I think the spray gods were with me, looks pretty good. Start covering fuselage and tailfeathers next week!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Hegy prop; engine offset washers
Date: Jun 02, 2012
Sorry for the delay=2C but whoever asked about the Hegy prop=2C I sold it s ome time ago. Regretted it later =3Bo) Regarding washers=2C engine offset=2C and fin offset: Scout has about 1/2" offset on the leading edge of the vertical stab and that's all I felt comfo rtable cranking in because it looked like it would stress the glue joints i n the wood. It could use some more offset. The trailing edge remains fixe d while the leading edge is pulled over=2C and I didn't want to go with any more. It turned out well because I needed to offset the fin enough to wher e I had new material to screw the mounting tabs into anyway. If you build it with offset from the start=2C that would be best. Scout still needs a s mall bendable trim tab on the rudder as well as some washers on the engine mount to improve the yaw in cruise. It flies just about like the others sa y theirs do (mine has an A75)- about a half a ball out. Almost=2C but not quite=2C feet flat on the floor in cruise=2C but a good pilot's feet are ne ver on the floor anyway. By the way=2C I do not recommend the use of standard large AN flat washers for the engine offset duty. They are too thin and become dished. I ordere d a pack of nice thick black oxide-finished steel washers from McMaster-Car r and they are perfect. I believe they are the 92140A series washers=2C ab out a buck apiece in that size. I think Aircraft Spruce offers engine moun t washers but they are more expensive than the McMaster-Carr items. I boug ht a bag of 10. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford=2C OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: scarf joint for spar
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Jun 02, 2012
Thanks Bill; thats where my confusions was, i saw a similar pic somewhere of a scarf joint along the face , then somewhere else along the edge. Its nice to hear opinions or what is known as common knowledge of what to do or not do. Thankyou; Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374543#374543 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Black and White Video on Drag
From: "j_dunavin" <j_dunavin(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jun 03, 2012
A while back someone posted a you tube video on drag and the difference between an airfoil and metal rods. Anyone have the link to that? Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374641#374641 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 03, 2012
From: Darrel Jones <wd6bor(at)vom.com>
Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
On 5/27/2012 8:15 AM, Michael Groah wrote: > Ok, everyone... we're now less than a week away from our west coast > Pietenpol gathering. > > It's June 2nd at Frazier lake..... See the attached flyer for the > rest of the info.... > > I'm looking forward to seeing you all there! > > Mike Groah > > I just wanted to thank Charlie and Cecilia Miller and their family for hosting us at Frazier Lake this Saturday. It looks like Charlie burned enough fuel hopping rides to make it a good way to Brodhead. I had been meaning to get to Frazier Lake for about thirty years and am glad I finally made the trip. It was great seeing the group and I want to thank Mike Groah for sending the flier and reminders. I'm looking forward to my next return visit. Now to get cracking on my Corvair engine so I can fly down there in the Pfeifer. Darrel Jones Pfeifer Sport N154JP Icing on the cake was seeing Charlie's beautiful Stinson. I knew he was a great guy! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Black and White Video on Drag
From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson(at)centurylink.net>
Date: Jun 04, 2012
I didn't watch it but I believe this is the one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftq8jTQ8ANE -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 thru covering and painting, now in final assembly 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374656#374656 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RE: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering
Date: Jun 04, 2012
Ditto, that, Darrel!! And I was glad to see you there, too! Special thanks to Charlie for pressing on with the rides, even in less-than-optimum conditions. Both my son and grandson have received first rides in a Piet with Charlie, as well as the wives of several builders.a very important contribution by him! It's looking good for at least 3 more Piets next year, including Kevin McDonald's Model A Piet from Vacaville. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: Darrel Jones [mailto:wd6bor(at)vom.com] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:28 PM Cc: ' Bob O' Hara' abohara(at)att.net; ' Irwin Fust' ifust(at)digitalpath.net; ' Mike Hardaway' papa.bike.mike(at)gmail.com; Chris Tracy; Chris Tracy; D.K. Philbin; Gary Boothe; George Benson; Jim Markle; Jim Boyer; Jim Boyer; John Watson; John Doig; john kerr; Jorge Lizarriga; Larry Jobe; Manuel Sparks; Mark Roberts; Michael Weaver; Mike Bikle; Mike Bikle; Perry Shipman; Piet List; Ray Krause; Scott De Bel; Scott Liefeld; Walt Bowe Subject: Re: West Coast Pietenpol Gathering On 5/27/2012 8:15 AM, Michael Groah wrote: Ok, everyone... we're now less than a week away from our west coast Pietenpol gathering. It's June 2nd at Frazier lake..... See the attached flyer for the rest of the info.... I'm looking forward to seeing you all there! Mike Groah I just wanted to thank Charlie and Cecilia Miller and their family for hosting us at Frazier Lake this Saturday. It looks like Charlie burned enough fuel hopping rides to make it a good way to Brodhead. I had been meaning to get to Frazier Lake for about thirty years and am glad I finally made the trip. It was great seeing the group and I want to thank Mike Groah for sending the flier and reminders. I'm looking forward to my next return visit. Now to get cracking on my Corvair engine so I can fly down there in the Pfeifer. Darrel Jones Pfeifer Sport N154JP Icing on the cake was seeing Charlie's beautiful Stinson. I knew he was a great guy! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Oops, I think
From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles(at)msn.com>
Date: Jun 04, 2012
I you can see in the attached picture, I have a problem. I have already glued/bolted my wing tips on without sliding the front aileron spar in place. I played around with this shorter scrap piece of wood to get some idea of how to overcome this without tearing anything apart. Would it be acceptable to make the spar in two pieces (laminated lengthwise) and glued into place after placing them in the rib? I would probably just cut the height of the spar 1/4 inch shorter and slide and glue a piece of 1/2 by 1/4 capstrip under it. Your thoughts. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=374662#374662 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07573_145.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 04, 2012
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS(at)mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Engine mounts, vertical fin offsets and ash
Kevin and others. Thanks for the information. I believe I will add a little offset to the rudder now, while it is still uncovered and easily accessible. Stinemetze >>> "kevinpurtee" 6/1/2012 7:41 PM >>> Hi Tom - I left everything at zero and, predictably, require lots of left pedal. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee


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