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Subject: Down Under here we come
From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Hello guys, my intense full time 4 month building time is now coming to an end. (no I am not done yet). I'd like to thank you all for your great support during this time. I hardly ever experienced such a friendliness and support. Especially being located in Europe I posted a question in the evening when I got home from the workshop, went to bed and in the morning for breakfast I read through all the answers. I'll now go traveling with my wife to Australia and hope to visit RV-10 builders there, thanks to Chris & Susie, Pat and John we looking forward seeing you. There is truly such thing as the RV-Family. Take Care and which you lots of progress!!! Michael www.wellenzohn.net -------- RV-10 builder (fuselage) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142562#142562 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Saylor" <Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com>
Subject: baggage area tie downs
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Here are some picture of tiedowns I made out of hinge material. We're getting ready to make these available for sale--they should be on the website in a few days. Price will be $49 for a set of 4. I've had 72# strapped down for all my phase one so far and they're working great. The return on the movable side is to keep it up above carpet level. Let me know if you need a set. We'll have a couple other RV-10 specific products online soon. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: RV10-List: baggage area tie downs Anyone placed anchor points in the baggage area to secure the tool box, suitcases, etc? photos? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: JSMcGrew(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Subject: Radio Static Help
4 years ago today I placed my order for RV-10 tail kit #40134 as a birthday present to myself. Now, 2500 building and 100 flying hours later, I can say it was a pretty nice gift and well worth it... unfortunately I haven't got all the bugs worked out yet: I've spent the last few weeks trying to track down a problem with radio static on my Garmin SL-30 Nav/Comm. The SL-30 is attached to a Garmin GMA-340 Audio panel. The static itself sounds random (i.e. not obviously uniform like I would expect from an ignition system), however, it is somehow associated with engine throttle setting. The static starts around 2000 RPM and gets progressively worse as throttle increases. On takeoff, it is so bad you can not comprehend any received transmissions. During cruise it appears to be somehow associated with manifold pressure (i.e. throttle setting, not RPM). It makes listening to ATC difficult to impossible. I also think it may be affecting my radio transmissions as well, because when I have a hard time comprehending ATC, they also have a hard time understanding me. This static appears to be only affecting the Comm audio, there is no static on NAV audio reception. I have a belly mounted bent whip VHF antenna and a wingtip VOR antenna. My handheld ICOM VHF radio does not have any static when used inside the cockpit. I have searched various lists for ideas and tried to solve this problem, but I have had no success in changing it at all (for better or worse). Any suggestions for what to try or where to look will be welcome. Below is a list of some things I have tried with no luck. General -Shut off all avionics (except SL-30) and both ignition systems (not both at the same time) --So it doesn't appear to be interference from other electronics Antenna/Coaxial cable -Added ferrite signal filters at various locations along comm coax. -Connected SL-30 to a different comm antenna using a piece of RG-400 (tried various routings to antennas) -Connected SL-30 Comm to VOR antenna (great reception, still static) --So it doesn't appear to be antenna related Power/ground -Ensured engine grounding cables have good contacts on both ends -Apparently new Slick Magnetos have internal suppression and do not need a filter -Separated SL-30 power/ground leads from bundle to reduce potential interference from other wires -Ran SL-30 +12V and ground leads directly to battery -Disconnected serial connection between my SL-30 and EFIS indicator -Connected SL-30 to separate 12V battery sitting on floor of aircraft, disconnected power/ground to GMA-340. Attached ICOM handheld antenna directly to unit (SL-30 completely isolated from aircraft)-reception still has static -Ran ground wire from battery to SL-30 tray -Checked to ensure headseat jacks were isolated from aircraft ground. -Checked the shield connections for tachometer and fuel flow sensor wires I can't think of anything else to try. Again, I'd be happy to hear any suggestions. Thanks. -Jim N312JE Jim "Scooter" McGrew _http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew_ (http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hilger" <ninepapa(at)bendbroadband.com>
Subject: Re: Lock sets
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Erik My solution was to buy the ignition switch from Vans. Their switch includes two additional door/baggage locks. I needed one more lock, so I called Aircraft Spruce customer service and talked to a very helpful lady (Robin I think). I gave her my key number and she ordered a pair of locks keyed like the ignition switch (they only come in pair). So now I have a spare lock and enough locks to lock all the doors. The total cost was less than half what you mentioned. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: RV10-List: Lock sets > > After several un-productive phone calls with Aircraft Spruce, I am back at > square one with lock sets. I am trying to piece together the ignition > switch, baggage door lock, and 2 cabin door locks, all keyed the same. > Aircraft Spruce says that I have to buy 2 of their ignition/lock sets and > then pay a special order fee to have them keyed alike. The total comes to > almost $300. While a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things, > there has to be a better way. Does anyone out there know of another source > to get such a package of lock sets? > > Eric Kallio > 40518 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142547#142547 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2007
From: James Hein <n8vim(at)arrl.net>
Subject: Re: Radio Static Help
Jim, Here are a couple thoughts: >During cruise it appears to be somehow associated with manifold pressure (i.e. throttle setting, not RPM). Since compression in the cylinder is the only thing that changes at that time, I'd check to make sure your ignition cables are not leaking (Current and Voltage through the plug will change with differing pressures). On your radio side, have you tried: 1. Connecting the end coax to a dummy load? This would check if your coax is picking it up, especially when combined with your isolating the power source for the radio (another battery as you already tried) If you'd like, since you're local to me I can help and also check out your antenna efficency (I have an antena analyzer). -Jim 40384 JSMcGrew(at)aol.com wrote: > 4 years ago today I placed my order for RV-10 tail kit #40134 as a > birthday present to > myself. Now, 2500 building and 100 flying hours later, I can say it > was a pretty nice gift > and well worth it... unfortunately I haven't got all the bugs worked > out yet: > > I've spent the last few weeks trying to track down a problem with > radio static on my > Garmin SL-30 Nav/Comm. The SL-30 is attached to a Garmin GMA-340 Audio > panel. > The static itself sounds random (i.e. not obviously uniform like I > would expect from an ignition > system), however, it is somehow associated with engine throttle > setting. The > static starts around 2000 RPM and gets progressively worse as throttle > increases. > On takeoff, it is so bad you can not comprehend any received > transmissions. During cruise it appears > to be somehow associated with manifold pressure (i.e. throttle > setting, not RPM). It makes > listening to ATC difficult to impossible. I also think it may be > affecting my radio > transmissions as well, because when I have a hard time comprehending > ATC, they > also have a hard time understanding me. This static appears to be only > affecting > the Comm audio, there is no static on NAV audio reception. I have a > belly mounted > bent whip VHF antenna and a wingtip VOR antenna. My handheld ICOM VHF > radio > does not have any static when used inside the cockpit. > > I have searched various lists for ideas and tried to solve this > problem, but > I have had no success in changing it at all (for better or worse). Any > suggestions for what to try or where to look will be welcome. Below is > a list > of some things I have tried with no luck. > > > General > -Shut off all avionics (except SL-30) and both ignition systems (not > both at the same time) > --So it doesn't appear to be interference from other electronics > > Antenna/Coaxial cable > -Added ferrite signal filters at various locations along comm coax. > -Connected SL-30 to a different comm antenna using a piece of RG-400 > (tried > various routings to antennas) > -Connected SL-30 Comm to VOR antenna (great reception, still static) > --So it doesn't appear to be antenna related > > Power/ground > -Ensured engine grounding cables have good contacts on both ends > -Apparently new Slick Magnetos have internal suppression and do not > need a filter > -Separated SL-30 power/ground leads from bundle to reduce potential > interference from other wires > -Ran SL-30 +12V and ground leads directly to battery > -Disconnected serial connection between my SL-30 and EFIS indicator > -Connected SL-30 to separate 12V battery sitting on floor of aircraft, > disconnected power/ground > to GMA-340. Attached ICOM handheld antenna directly to unit (SL-30 > completely isolated > from aircraft)-reception still has static > -Ran ground wire from battery to SL-30 tray > -Checked to ensure headseat jacks were isolated from aircraft ground. > -Checked the shield connections for tachometer and fuel flow sensor wires > > > I can't think of anything else to try. Again, I'd be happy to hear any > suggestions. > > Thanks. > > -Jim > N312JE > > Jim "Scooter" McGrew > http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's new at AOL.com and > >* > > >* > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Subject: Radio Static Help
Date: Oct 29, 2007
You did not say if you have a second COM radio but I assume you do. If you don't have static on the second COM then you might try swapping radio position on the GMA340? Or possibly use the built in 2 place intercom on the sl30 temporarily bypassing the 340 altogether. -Ben _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JSMcGrew(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: RV10-List: Radio Static Help 4 years ago today I placed my order for RV-10 tail kit #40134 as a birthday present to myself. Now, 2500 building and 100 flying hours later, I can say it was a pretty nice gift and well worth it... unfortunately I haven't got all the bugs worked out yet: I've spent the last few weeks trying to track down a problem with radio static on my Garmin SL-30 Nav/Comm. The SL-30 is attached to a Garmin GMA-340 Audio panel. The static itself sounds random (i.e. not obviously uniform like I would expect from an ignition system), however, it is somehow associated with engine throttle setting. The static starts around 2000 RPM and gets progressively worse as throttle increases. On takeoff, it is so bad you can not comprehend any received transmissions. During cruise it appears to be somehow associated with manifold pressure (i.e. throttle setting, not RPM). It makes listening to ATC difficult to impossible. I also think it may be affecting my radio transmissions as well, because when I have a hard time comprehending ATC, they also have a hard time understanding me. This static appears to be only affecting the Comm audio, there is no static on NAV audio reception. I have a belly mounted bent whip VHF antenna and a wingtip VOR antenna. My handheld ICOM VHF radio does not have any static when used inside the cockpit. I have searched various lists for ideas and tried to solve this problem, but I have had no success in changing it at all (for better or worse). Any suggestions for what to try or where to look will be welcome. Below is a list of some things I have tried with no luck. General -Shut off all avionics (except SL-30) and both ignition systems (not both at the same time) --So it doesn't appear to be interference from other electronics Antenna/Coaxial cable -Added ferrite signal filters at various locations along comm coax. -Connected SL-30 to a different comm antenna using a piece of RG-400 (tried various routings to antennas) -Connected SL-30 Comm to VOR antenna (great reception, still static) --So it doesn't appear to be antenna related Power/ground -Ensured engine grounding cables have good contacts on both ends -Apparently new Slick Magnetos have internal suppression and do not need a filter -Separated SL-30 power/ground leads from bundle to reduce potential interference from other wires -Ran SL-30 +12V and ground leads directly to battery -Disconnected serial connection between my SL-30 and EFIS indicator -Connected SL-30 to separate 12V battery sitting on floor of aircraft, disconnected power/ground to GMA-340. Attached ICOM handheld antenna directly to unit (SL-30 completely isolated from aircraft)-reception still has static -Ran ground wire from battery to SL-30 tray -Checked to ensure headseat jacks were isolated from aircraft ground. -Checked the shield connections for tachometer and fuel flow sensor wires I can't think of anything else to try. Again, I'd be happy to hear any suggestions. Thanks. -Jim N312JE Jim "Scooter" McGrew http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew _____ See what's new at AOL.com and ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2007
From: David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Lock sets
Steve Dinieri at Iflyrv10.com is close to having a stainless steel lock set for the airplane. I don't know what the price is, but if they are as nice as his RV-10 door handles, they will probably be worth it. Steve is a pleasure to deal with. David Maib 40559 On Monday, October 29, 2007, at 12:18PM, "Eric_Kallio" wrote: > >After several un-productive phone calls with Aircraft Spruce, I am back at square one with lock sets. I am trying to piece together the ignition switch, baggage door lock, and 2 cabin door locks, all keyed the same. Aircraft Spruce says that I have to buy 2 of their ignition/lock sets and then pay a special order fee to have them keyed alike. The total comes to almost $300. While a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things, there has to be a better way. Does anyone out there know of another source to get such a package of lock sets? > >Eric Kallio >40518 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142547#142547 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2007
From: "Bob Newman" <rnewman(at)lutron.com>
Subject: Radio Static Help
Here's an issue I chased for many months in my Glastar with the com antenna on our GNS 530. (which feeds a 340 audio panel) The coax connector we had used was one of those "non-crimp type" which had been just fine for 7 years. Well after some moving around after our instrument panel overhaul the connection to the shield of the coax stopped making but the center lead was fine. The result was chaos on the com channel. Noise and static and really weak transmissions. I've since changed all coax connector to the much more robust crimp type. NO issues since. This problem was very intermittent, at some point I was convinced it was thermally related. -Bob Newman >>> rv10(at)sinkrate.com 10/29/2007 4:15 PM >>> You did not say if you have a second COM radio but I assume you do. If you don't have static on the second COM then you might try swapping radio position on the GMA340? Or possibly use the built in 2 place intercom on the sl30 temporarily bypassing the 340 altogether. -Ben _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JSMcGrew(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: RV10-List: Radio Static Help 4 years ago today I placed my order for RV-10 tail kit #40134 as a birthday present to myself. Now, 2500 building and 100 flying hours later, I can say it was a pretty nice gift and well worth it... unfortunately I haven't got all the bugs worked out yet: I've spent the last few weeks trying to track down a problem with radio static on my Garmin SL-30 Nav/Comm. The SL-30 is attached to a Garmin GMA-340 Audio panel. The static itself sounds random (i.e. not obviously uniform like I would expect from an ignition system), however, it is somehow associated with engine throttle setting. The static starts around 2000 RPM and gets progressively worse as throttle increases. On takeoff, it is so bad you can not comprehend any received transmissions. During cruise it appears to be somehow associated with manifold pressure (i.e. throttle setting, not RPM). It makes listening to ATC difficult to impossible. I also think it may be affecting my radio transmissions as well, because when I have a hard time comprehending ATC, they also have a hard time understanding me. This static appears to be only affecting the Comm audio, there is no static on NAV audio reception. I have a belly mounted bent whip VHF antenna and a wingtip VOR antenna. My handheld ICOM VHF radio does not have any static when used inside the cockpit. I have searched various lists for ideas and tried to solve this problem, but I have had no success in changing it at all (for better or worse). Any suggestions for what to try or where to look will be welcome. Below is a list of some things I have tried with no luck. General -Shut off all avionics (except SL-30) and both ignition systems (not both at the same time) --So it doesn't appear to be interference from other electronics Antenna/Coaxial cable -Added ferrite signal filters at various locations along comm coax. -Connected SL-30 to a different comm antenna using a piece of RG-400 (tried various routings to antennas) -Connected SL-30 Comm to VOR antenna (great reception, still static) --So it doesn't appear to be antenna related Power/ground -Ensured engine grounding cables have good contacts on both ends -Apparently new Slick Magnetos have internal suppression and do not need a filter -Separated SL-30 power/ground leads from bundle to reduce potential interference from other wires -Ran SL-30 +12V and ground leads directly to battery -Disconnected serial connection between my SL-30 and EFIS indicator -Connected SL-30 to separate 12V battery sitting on floor of aircraft, disconnected power/ground to GMA-340. Attached ICOM handheld antenna directly to unit (SL-30 completely isolated from aircraft)-reception still has static -Ran ground wire from battery to SL-30 tray -Checked to ensure headseat jacks were isolated from aircraft ground. -Checked the shield connections for tachometer and fuel flow sensor wires I can't think of anything else to try. Again, I'd be happy to hear any suggestions. Thanks. -Jim N312JE Jim "Scooter" McGrew http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew _____ See what's new at AOL.com and ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jay Rowe" <jfrjr(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: baggage area tie downs
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Dave: Please send me a set of four tiedowns. Tell me the total $ including shipping and I'll get a check in the mail. Jay Rowe #40301. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Saylor To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: baggage area tie downs Here are some picture of tiedowns I made out of hinge material. We're getting ready to make these available for sale--they should be on the website in a few days. Price will be $49 for a set of 4. I've had 72# strapped down for all my phase one so far and they're working great. The return on the movable side is to keep it up above carpet level. Let me know if you need a set. We'll have a couple other RV-10 specific products online soon. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:08 AM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: baggage area tie downs Anyone placed anchor points in the baggage area to secure the tool box, suitcases, etc? photos? href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 10/28/2007 1:58 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: Radio Static Help
Date: Oct 29, 2007
If it still had static with the hand held antenna and just battery power , perhaps its actually an internal radio problem. Maybe you should take it in for a bench check at an avionics shop. -CHris #40072 ----- Original Message ----- From: JSMcGrew(at)aol.com To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: RV10-List: Radio Static Help 4 years ago today I placed my order for RV-10 tail kit #40134 as a birthday present to myself. Now, 2500 building and 100 flying hours later, I can say it was a pretty nice gift and well worth it... unfortunately I haven't got all the bugs worked out yet: I've spent the last few weeks trying to track down a problem with radio static on my Garmin SL-30 Nav/Comm. The SL-30 is attached to a Garmin GMA-340 Audio panel. The static itself sounds random (i.e. not obviously uniform like I would expect from an ignition system), however, it is somehow associated with engine throttle setting. The static starts around 2000 RPM and gets progressively worse as throttle increases. On takeoff, it is so bad you can not comprehend any received transmissions. During cruise it appears to be somehow associated with manifold pressure (i.e. throttle setting, not RPM). It makes listening to ATC difficult to impossible. I also think it may be affecting my radio transmissions as well, because when I have a hard time comprehending ATC, they also have a hard time understanding me. This static appears to be only affecting the Comm audio, there is no static on NAV audio reception. I have a belly mounted bent whip VHF antenna and a wingtip VOR antenna. My handheld ICOM VHF radio does not have any static when used inside the cockpit. I have searched various lists for ideas and tried to solve this problem, but I have had no success in changing it at all (for better or worse). Any suggestions for what to try or where to look will be welcome. Below is a list of some things I have tried with no luck. General -Shut off all avionics (except SL-30) and both ignition systems (not both at the same time) --So it doesn't appear to be interference from other electronics Antenna/Coaxial cable -Added ferrite signal filters at various locations along comm coax. -Connected SL-30 to a different comm antenna using a piece of RG-400 (tried various routings to antennas) -Connected SL-30 Comm to VOR antenna (great reception, still static) --So it doesn't appear to be antenna related Power/ground -Ensured engine grounding cables have good contacts on both ends -Apparently new Slick Magnetos have internal suppression and do not need a filter -Separated SL-30 power/ground leads from bundle to reduce potential interference from other wires -Ran SL-30 +12V and ground leads directly to battery -Disconnected serial connection between my SL-30 and EFIS indicator -Connected SL-30 to separate 12V battery sitting on floor of aircraft, disconnected power/ground to GMA-340. Attached ICOM handheld antenna directly to unit (SL-30 completely isolated from aircraft)-reception still has static -Ran ground wire from battery to SL-30 tray -Checked to ensure headseat jacks were isolated from aircraft ground. -Checked the shield connections for tachometer and fuel flow sensor wires I can't think of anything else to try. Again, I'd be happy to hear any suggestions. Thanks. -Jim N312JE Jim "Scooter" McGrew http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's new at AOL.com and --> http://forums.matronics.com =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: baggage area tie downs
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
The Cessna eyebolt tiedowns are awesome. I had some extras from my old 182 and they are really great. They screw (manually) into a standard (probably AN3) nutplate. I put two of them on the rear baggage bulkhead. Reinforced them with a larger piece of thick aluminum on the back side. They are great because you can unscrew them and have a flat surface. They take a standard (el cheapo) bungee through the eyebolt hole and are totally bulletproof. If you can get a few out of a wreck or from the Cessna dealer they are great. I have no idea what Cessna charges for the new ones. -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142657#142657 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2007
From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Radio Static Help
A few thoughts: How does the intercom work within the cabin? Is there any static and does any appear with engine at cruise? I am not familiar with the G340 but have used the G347, PS engr, etc and they default to com1 when the power to the intercom is turned off. There is a relay inside that connects the pilots ptt, one ear, and the pilot mic directly to the radio wired to com1 when power is off. This is the fall back mode. If your SL-30 is connected to com1 how is the radio quality with the G340 turned off? The antenna test as Mr Hein suggests is very valuable. I assume the results will calculate VSWR. This test will verify the back half of the radio. Also, you could buy a DB-25 plug and both the headset plugs and create your own direct harness to the SL-30. Sit in the plane with the SL-30 in your lap and plug the headset into the test harness. It only requires 7 (or so) wires. This will check out the front half of the radio. Good Luck, Bill DeRouchey N939SB, flying Bob Newman wrote: Here's an issue I chased for many months in my Glastar with the com antenna on our GNS 530. (which feeds a 340 audio panel) The coax connector we had used was one of those "non-crimp type" which had been just fine for 7 years. Well after some moving around after our instrument panel overhaul the connection to the shield of the coax stopped making but the center lead was fine. The result was chaos on the com channel. Noise and static and really weak transmissions. I've since changed all coax connector to the much more robust crimp type. NO issues since. This problem was very intermittent, at some point I was convinced it was thermally related. -Bob Newman >>> rv10(at)sinkrate.com 10/29/2007 4:15 PM >>> You did not say if you have a second COM radio but I assume you do. If you don't have static on the second COM then you might try swapping radio position on the GMA340? Or possibly use the built in 2 place intercom on the sl30 temporarily bypassing the 340 altogether. -Ben _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JSMcGrew(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: RV10-List: Radio Static Help 4 years ago today I placed my order for RV-10 tail kit #40134 as a birthday present to myself. Now, 2500 building and 100 flying hours later, I can say it was a pretty nice gift and well worth it... unfortunately I haven't got all the bugs worked out yet: I've spent the last few weeks trying to track down a problem with radio static on my Garmin SL-30 Nav/Comm. The SL-30 is attached to a Garmin GMA-340 Audio panel. The static itself sounds random (i.e. not obviously uniform like I would expect from an ignition system), however, it is somehow associated with engine throttle setting. The static starts around 2000 RPM and gets progressively worse as throttle increases. On takeoff, it is so bad you can not comprehend any received transmissions. During cruise it appears to be somehow associated with manifold pressure (i.e. throttle setting, not RPM). It makes listening to ATC difficult to impossible. I also think it may be affecting my radio transmissions as well, because when I have a hard time comprehending ATC, they also have a hard time understanding me. This static appears to be only affecting the Comm audio, there is no static on NAV audio reception. I have a belly mounted bent whip VHF antenna and a wingtip VOR antenna. My handheld ICOM VHF radio does not have any static when used inside the cockpit. I have searched various lists for ideas and tried to solve this problem, but I have had no success in changing it at all (for better or worse). Any suggestions for what to try or where to look will be welcome. Below is a list of some things I have tried with no luck. General -Shut off all avionics (except SL-30) and both ignition systems (not both at the same time) --So it doesn't appear to be interference from other electronics Antenna/Coaxial cable -Added ferrite signal filters at various locations along comm coax. -Connected SL-30 to a different comm antenna using a piece of RG-400 (tried various routings to antennas) -Connected SL-30 Comm to VOR antenna (great reception, still static) --So it doesn't appear to be antenna related Power/ground -Ensured engine grounding cables have good contacts on both ends -Apparently new Slick Magnetos have internal suppression and do not need a filter -Separated SL-30 power/ground leads from bundle to reduce potential interference from other wires -Ran SL-30 +12V and ground leads directly to battery -Disconnected serial connection between my SL-30 and EFIS indicator -Connected SL-30 to separate 12V battery sitting on floor of aircraft, disconnected power/ground to GMA-340. Attached ICOM handheld antenna directly to unit (SL-30 completely isolated from aircraft)-reception still has static -Ran ground wire from battery to SL-30 tray -Checked to ensure headseat jacks were isolated from aircraft ground. -Checked the shield connections for tachometer and fuel flow sensor wires I can't think of anything else to try. Again, I'd be happy to hear any suggestions. Thanks. -Jim N312JE Jim "Scooter" McGrew http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew _____ See what's new at AOL.com and ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: TruTrak Pitch servo installation
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
I am having a problem with the install of the (what should be easy) TruTrak Pitch servo. The problem is that the Aluminum spacer that they include is too long. I only have about .28" of space between the bellcrank bracket and the MM-3-300 rod end bearing. The TruTrak Pitch servo plans call for a (supplied) .438" spacer in that space. If I put in that thick of a spacer the whole thing would be very cattywhompus and would stress the drive on the servo and the bearing on the bellcrank. (Yes, I did double check to see that I reinstalled the drive wheel properly) If anyone has had the same issue please let me know. Also, as this has been an all day ordeal - calling Zach at Trutrak three times today, I intend to post installation instructions for the servo tomorrow. -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142663#142663 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2007
From: Dave Lammers <davelammers(at)mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: Radio Static Help
Jim, Are you grounding your mag through a single conductor shielded wire, to the switch, with the ground return (mags off) through the shield, and then back to a ground location on the mag? If not, your mag wire to the switch (with the switch open, ie: mags on) is a great antenna to radiate mag noise into the surroundings. Dave Lammers JSMcGrew(at)aol.com wrote: > 4 years ago today I placed my order for RV-10 tail kit #40134 as a > birthday present to > myself. Now, 2500 building and 100 flying hours later, I can say it > was a pretty nice gift > and well worth it... unfortunately I haven't got all the bugs worked > out yet: > > I've spent the last few weeks trying to track down a problem with > radio static on my > Garmin SL-30 Nav/Comm. The SL-30 is attached to a Garmin GMA-340 Audio > panel. > The static itself sounds random (i.e. not obviously uniform like I > would expect from an ignition > system), however, it is somehow associated with engine throttle > setting. The > static starts around 2000 RPM and gets progressively worse as throttle > increases. > On takeoff, it is so bad you can not comprehend any received > transmissions. During cruise it appears > to be somehow associated with manifold pressure (i.e. throttle > setting, not RPM). It makes > listening to ATC difficult to impossible. I also think it may be > affecting my radio > transmissions as well, because when I have a hard time comprehending > ATC, they > also have a hard time understanding me. This static appears to be only > affecting > the Comm audio, there is no static on NAV audio reception. I have a > belly mounted > bent whip VHF antenna and a wingtip VOR antenna. My handheld ICOM VHF > radio > does not have any static when used inside the cockpit. > > I have searched various lists for ideas and tried to solve this > problem, but > I have had no success in changing it at all (for better or worse). Any > suggestions for what to try or where to look will be welcome. Below is > a list > of some things I have tried with no luck. > > > General > -Shut off all avionics (except SL-30) and both ignition systems (not > both at the same time) > --So it doesn't appear to be interference from other electronics > > Antenna/Coaxial cable > -Added ferrite signal filters at various locations along comm coax. > -Connected SL-30 to a different comm antenna using a piece of RG-400 > (tried > various routings to antennas) > -Connected SL-30 Comm to VOR antenna (great reception, still static) > --So it doesn't appear to be antenna related > > Power/ground > -Ensured engine grounding cables have good contacts on both ends > -Apparently new Slick Magnetos have internal suppression and do not > need a filter > -Separated SL-30 power/ground leads from bundle to reduce potential > interference from other wires > -Ran SL-30 +12V and ground leads directly to battery > -Disconnected serial connection between my SL-30 and EFIS indicator > -Connected SL-30 to separate 12V battery sitting on floor of aircraft, > disconnected power/ground > to GMA-340. Attached ICOM handheld antenna directly to unit (SL-30 > completely isolated > from aircraft)-reception still has static > -Ran ground wire from battery to SL-30 tray > -Checked to ensure headseat jacks were isolated from aircraft ground. > -Checked the shield connections for tachometer and fuel flow sensor wires > > > I can't think of anything else to try. Again, I'd be happy to hear any > suggestions. > > Thanks. > > -Jim > N312JE > > Jim "Scooter" McGrew > http://www.mit.edu/~jsmcgrew > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's new at AOL.com and > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Lock sets
Take the odd cylinders (and keys) to a locksmith and have them re-keyed to match the others. Haven't a clue how much they'll charge though. A DIY article is at http://www.rd.com/familyhandyman/content/18168/. I just googled 're-key lock' and it was one that showed up. $8.00 for a pin kit ...... but they're aimed at house door locks. Linn Eric_Kallio wrote: > >After several un-productive phone calls with Aircraft Spruce, I am back at square one with lock sets. I am trying to piece together the ignition switch, baggage door lock, and 2 cabin door locks, all keyed the same. Aircraft Spruce says that I have to buy 2 of their ignition/lock sets and then pay a special order fee to have them keyed alike. The total comes to almost $300. While a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things, there has to be a better way. Does anyone out there know of another source to get such a package of lock sets? > >Eric Kallio >40518 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142547#142547 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: Radio Static Help
Date: Oct 30, 2007
We had a similar issue and fixed it with adjusting the squelch. We were activating the mic with the louder engine noise on take off and at high manifold pressure. May not be the sam problem for you, but easy to check out. -Mike -----Original Message----- From: JSMcGrew(at)aol.com Sent: 10/29/07 3:34 PM Subject: RV10-List: Radio Static Help 4 years ago today I placed my order for RV-10 tail kit #40134 as a birthday present to myself. Now, 2500 building and 100 flying hours later, I can say it was a pretty nice gift and well worth it... unfortunately I haven't got all the bugs worked out yet: I've spent the last few weeks trying to track down a problem with radio static on my Garmin SL-30 Nav/Comm. The SL-30 is attached to a Garmin GMA-340 Audio panel. The static itself sounds random (i.e. not obviously uniform like I would expect from an ignition system), however, it is somehow associated with engine throttle setting. The static starts around 2000 RPM and gets progressively worse as throttle increases. On takeoff, it is so bad you can not comprehend any received transmissions. During cruise it appears to be somehow associated with manifold pressure (i.e. throttle setting, not RPM). It makes listening to ATC difficult to impossible. I also think it may be affecting ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Trim troubles
Date: Oct 30, 2007
I have hooked up my MAC trim system for the first time. I have a hat switch trim control on the stick and switches on the subpanel that duplicate the hat switch. I am using the new relays from MAC. The problem is that while the switches on the panel work, the hat switch does not work. It activates the appropriate relay when it should but no power goes to the servo. I am stumped as to where to look for the problem as obviously I have the relay to servo correct, and the panel switch to relay correct. Since the hat switch activates the relay, where is the problem? Any suggestions. Gary 40274 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Trim troubles
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: "Bobby J. Hughes" <bhughes(at)qnsi.net>
Gary, Make sue the two diodes are in the proper location and orientation. Both the rocker switch and hat switch should provide a ground to the relay deck. I am assuming you are using Ray Allen's products and the RS2 Rocker \ RAC grip. Bobby 40116 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: RV10-List: Trim troubles I have hooked up my MAC trim system for the first time. I have a hat switch trim control on the stick and switches on the subpanel that duplicate the hat switch. I am using the new relays from MAC. The problem is that while the switches on the panel work, the hat switch does not work. It activates the appropriate relay when it should but no power goes to the servo. I am stumped as to where to look for the problem as obviously I have the relay to servo correct, and the panel switch to relay correct. Since the hat switch activates the relay, where is the problem? Any suggestions. Gary 40274 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Subject: Re: baggage area tie downs
Date: Oct 30, 2007
Van's sells a set of baggage area tie downs under the "Airframe and Cockpit Accessories" section on their website. -Ben #40579 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: First Flight
Al, Boy, you've been hard at it! She looks beautiful! Congratulations on having the only FLYING RV-10 in Arizona! Deems green w./envy Albert Gardner wrote: > *N991RV first flew on 10/23. 4 hours now but oil temps are too high 245 so Im trying to fix that. Otherwise, it flies great, just as I hoped. What a plane!* > *Albert Gardner* > *Yuma, AZ* > * * > * * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: LES KEARNEY <Kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Construction Sequence
Hi All I have been building a bit out of sequence - tail first then slo build fuse. Last will be QB wings. This has been largely driven by the amount of space available in my garage and my desire to keep the project as close as possible. As winter aproaches and and look forward to completing section 29, I see that the tailcone attachment is not far off. This may cause a small space problem. When I started this project, my wife agreed that the project scope must include the provision that she be able to park her car in the garage during the winter. Unfortunately she did not agree that the requirent that she be able to open her car door whilst in the garage was a scope change and subject to negotiation. Considerng the untenable position I was in, I immediatel capitualted. I still have enough space in the garage to continue up to the point the tail and fuse are mated. I don't have enough space to allow for the tail control surfaces or wings to be attached. My question for those who have gone before: are there any landmines in this aproach that I need to be concerned about. My plan is to leave the wings / engine / tail control surfaces to the very last. Cheers Les #40643 - Still singing the section 29 blues ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Construction Sequence
Date: Oct 30, 2007
I mounted the tail control surfaces for fitting but then removed them and followed the path you are on except I did build my wings .90% point..before I started on the fuselage. I mated the tail and fuselage and put the cabin top on etc. Once I got to that point, I had to move to the hanger..I did have to rearrange my garage layout once my wife figured out that she could not get in and out of her car while it was in the garage.. Also, I stored my 90% wings in the hanger while I worked on the fuselage. Rene' Felker N423CF 40322 801-721-6080 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LES KEARNEY Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: RV10-List: Construction Sequence Hi All I have been building a bit out of sequence - tail first then slo build fuse. Last will be QB wings. This has been largely driven by the amount of space available in my garage and my desire to keep the project as close as possible. As winter aproaches and and look forward to completing section 29, I see that the tailcone attachment is not far off. This may cause a small space problem. When I started this project, my wife agreed that the project scope must include the provision that she be able to park her car in the garage during the winter. Unfortunately she did not agree that the requirent that she be able to open her car door whilst in the garage was a scope change and subject to negotiation. Considerng the untenable position I was in, I immediatel capitualted. I still have enough space in the garage to continue up to the point the tail and fuse are mated. I don't have enough space to allow for the tail control surfaces or wings to be attached. My question for those who have gone before: are there any landmines in this aproach that I need to be concerned about. My plan is to leave the wings / engine / tail control surfaces to the very last. Cheers Les #40643 - Still singing the section 29 blues ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: LES KEARNEY <Kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Construction Sequence
Rene It is reassuring to know that I am not the only plan deviant on the list ... Where there ny "gotchas" to be careful about? Cheers Les #40643 - Still singing the section 9 blues ----- Original Message ----- From: Rene Felker <rene(at)felker.com> Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:49 am Subject: RE: RV10-List: Construction Sequence > I mounted the tail control surfaces for fitting but then removed > them and > followed the path you are on except I did build my wings .90% > point..beforeI started on the fuselage. I mated the tail > and fuselage and put the cabin > top on etc. Once I got to that point, I had to move to the > hanger..I did > have to rearrange my garage layout once my wife figured out that > she could > not get in and out of her car while it was in the garage.. > > > > Also, I stored my 90% wings in the hanger while I worked on the > fuselage. > > > Rene' Felker > > N423CF > > 40322 > > 801-721-6080 > > _____ > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LES KEARNEY > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:18 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Construction Sequence > > > > Hi All > > I have been building a bit out of sequence - tail first then slo > build fuse. > Last will be QB wings. This has been largely driven by the > amount of space > available in my garage and my desire to keep the project as > close as > possible. > > As winter aproaches and and look forward to completing section > 29, I see > that the tailcone attachment is not far off. This may cause a > small space > problem. > > When I started this project, my wife agreed that the project > scope must > include the provision that she be able to park her car in the > garage during > the winter. Unfortunately she did not agree that the requirent > that she be > able to open her car door whilst in the garage was a scope > change and > subject to negotiation. Considerng the untenable position I was > in, I > immediatel capitualted. > > I still have enough space in the garage to continue up to > the point the > tail and fuse are mated. I don't have enough space to allow for > the tail > control surfaces or wings to be attached. > > My question for those who have gone before: are there any > landmines in this > aproach that I need to be concerned about. My plan is to leave > the wings / > engine / tail control surfaces to the very last. > > Cheers > > Les > > #40643 - Still singing the section 29 blues > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Construction Sequence
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>
Les what I did was to mount the empennage and drill and rig everything while it was just the tail cone, then I took it all apart and stored the emp until final assembly. Then that left me free to attach the tail cone and move forward. Dan N289DT RV10E Flying _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LES KEARNEY Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: RV10-List: Construction Sequence Hi All I have been building a bit out of sequence - tail first then slo build fuse. Last will be QB wings. This has been largely driven by the amount of space available in my garage and my desire to keep the project as close as possible. As winter aproaches and and look forward to completing section 29, I see that the tailcone attachment is not far off. This may cause a small space problem. When I started this project, my wife agreed that the project scope must include the provision that she be able to park her car in the garage during the winter. Unfortunately she did not agree that the requirent that she be able to open her car door whilst in the garage was a scope change and subject to negotiation. Considerng the untenable position I was in, I immediatel capitualted. I still have enough space in the garage to continue up to the point the tail and fuse are mated. I don't have enough space to allow for the tail control surfaces or wings to be attached. My question for those who have gone before: are there any landmines in this aproach that I need to be concerned about. My plan is to leave the wings / engine / tail control surfaces to the very last. Cheers Les #40643 - Still singing the section 29 blues ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Construction Sequence
Date: Oct 30, 2007
I can not think of any problems. After doing my final assembly, I was glade that I had fitted the tail feathers early since I was able to do it at a lower working height. I had the tail set just high enough off the ground to be able to put the rudder on. Once the airplane is on its gear, us short people need a stool to be able to do anything with the tail. Rene' Felker N423CF 40322 801-721-6080 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LES KEARNEY Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: Re: RE: RV10-List: Construction Sequence Rene It is reassuring to know that I am not the only plan deviant on the list ... Where there ny "gotchas" to be careful about? Cheers Les #40643 - Still singing the section 9 blues ----- Original Message ----- From: Rene Felker <rene(at)felker.com> Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:49 am Subject: RE: RV10-List: Construction Sequence > I mounted the tail control surfaces for fitting but then removed > them and > followed the path you are on except I did build my wings .90% > point..beforeI started on the fuselage. I mated the tail > and fuselage and put the cabin > top on etc. Once I got to that point, I had to move to the > hanger..I did > have to rearrange my garage layout once my wife figured out that > she could > not get in and out of her car while it was in the garage.. > > > > Also, I stored my 90% wings in the hanger while I worked on the > fuselage. > > > Rene' Felker > > N423CF > > 40322 > > 801-721-6080 > > _____ > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LES KEARNEY > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:18 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Construction Sequence > > > > Hi All > > I have been building a bit out of sequence - tail first then slo > build fuse. > Last will be QB wings. This has been largely driven by the > amount of space > available in my garage and my desire to keep the project as > close as > possible. > > As winter aproaches and and look forward to completing section > 29, I see > that the tailcone attachment is not far off. This may cause a > small space > problem. > > When I started this project, my wife agreed that the project > scope must > include the provision that she be able to park her car in the > garage during > the winter. Unfortunately she did not agree that the requirent > that she be > able to open her car door whilst in the garage was a scope > change and > subject to negotiation. Considerng the untenable position I was > in, I > immediatel capitualted. > > I still have enough space in the garage to continue up to > the point the > tail and fuse are mated. I don't have enough space to allow for > the tail > control surfaces or wings to be attached. > > My question for those who have gone before: are there any > landmines in this > aproach that I need to be concerned about. My plan is to leave > the wings / > engine / tail control surfaces to the very last. > > Cheers > > Les > > #40643 - Still singing the section 29 blues > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: LES KEARNEY <Kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Construction Sequence
Rene Dan made a similar suggestion. I will put the tail together first and then disassemble prior to mating the fuse and tail. Thanks for the advice. ..Les ----- Original Message ----- From: Rene Felker <rene(at)felker.com> Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:49 pm Subject: RE: RE: RV10-List: Construction Sequence > I can not think of any problems. After doing my final > assembly, I was glade > that I had fitted the tail feathers early since I was able to do > it at a > lower working height. I had the tail set just high enough > off the ground to > be able to put the rudder on. Once the airplane is on its > gear, us short > people need a stool to be able to do anything with the tail. > > > > Rene' Felker > > N423CF > > 40322 > > 801-721-6080 > > _____ > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LES KEARNEY > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:56 AM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: RE: RV10-List: Construction Sequence > > > > Rene > > > > It is reassuring to know that I am not the only plan deviant on > the list ... > Where there ny "gotchas" to be careful about? > > > > Cheers > > > > Les > > #40643 - Still singing the section 9 blues > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rene Felker <rene(at)felker.com> > Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:49 am > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Construction Sequence > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > I mounted the tail control surfaces for fitting but then > removed > > them and > > followed the path you are on except I did build my wings .90% > > point..beforeI started on the fuselage. I mated the tail > > and fuselage and put the cabin > > top on etc. Once I got to that point, I had to move to the > > hanger..I did > > have to rearrange my garage layout once my wife figured out > that > > she could > > not get in and out of her car while it was in the garage.. > > > > > > > > Also, I stored my 90% wings in the hanger while I worked on > the > > fuselage. > > > > > > Rene' Felker > > > > N423CF > > > > 40322 > > > > 801-721-6080 > > > > _____ > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LES > KEARNEY> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:18 AM > > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: RV10-List: Construction Sequence > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > I have been building a bit out of sequence - tail first then > slo > > build fuse. > > Last will be QB wings. This has been largely driven by the > > amount of space > > available in my garage and my desire to keep the project as > > close as > > possible. > > > > As winter aproaches and and look forward to completing section > > 29, I see > > that the tailcone attachment is not far off. This may cause a > > small space > > problem. > > > > When I started this project, my wife agreed that the project > > scope must > > include the provision that she be able to park her car in the > > garage during > > the winter. Unfortunately she did not agree that the requirent > > that she be > > able to open her car door whilst in the garage was a scope > > change and > > subject to negotiation. Considerng the untenable position I > was > > in, I > > immediatel capitualted. > > > > I still have enough space in the garage to continue up > to > > the point the > > tail and fuse are mated. I don't have enough space to allow > for > > the tail > > control surfaces or wings to be attached. > > > > My question for those who have gone before: are there any > > landmines in this > > aproach that I need to be concerned about. My plan is to leave > > the wings / > > engine / tail control surfaces to the very last. > > > > Cheers > > > > Les > > > > #40643 - Still singing the section 29 blues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: Jay Brinkmeyer <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Vans Wingtip Light Kit - missing stuff
Has anyone else had issues with missing VA-194B and VA-194C MR16 Retainer cups/plates? Kudos to Vans for sending replacement parts (no charge). However, their system showed quantity 4 each and my OP-36 directions show quantity 2 each. Two lights per side? Maybe I've been sniffing too much fiberglass dust lately... Cheers, Jay fiberglass is good for you, dooda, dooda... (to the tune of Old Suzzana) __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Vans Wingtip Light Kit - missing stuff
All of my parts were there (2 retainer cups/plates) but the bulbs don't seem to fit very well into the cups, so the retainer plate is difficult/impossible to get installed correctly. I have not called Van's, but wonder if the size of the bulbs has changed slightly since they manufactured the cups. I will be interested to hear what others have found. David Maib 40559 On Tuesday, October 30, 2007, at 04:19PM, "Jay Brinkmeyer" wrote: > >Has anyone else had issues with missing VA-194B and VA-194C MR16 Retainer cups/plates? Kudos to Vans for sending replacement parts (no charge). However, their system showed quantity 4 each and my OP-36 directions show quantity 2 each. Two lights per side? > >Maybe I've been sniffing too much fiberglass dust lately... > >Cheers, >Jay >fiberglass is good for you, dooda, dooda... (to the tune of Old Suzzana) > > >__________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Joseph Rhodes" <joe(at)rvbuildernet.com>
Subject: Construction Sequence
Date: Oct 30, 2007
Your build sequence is the same as I have planed So it sounds good to me Joe Rhodes 40744 Just starting Rvbuildernet.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LES KEARNEY Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: RV10-List: Construction Sequence Hi All I have been building a bit out of sequence - tail first then slo build fuse. Last will be QB wings. This has been largely driven by the amount of space available in my garage and my desire to keep the project as close as possible. As winter aproaches and and look forward to completing section 29, I see that the tailcone attachment is not far off. This may cause a small space problem. When I started this project, my wife agreed that the project scope must include the provision that she be able to park her car in the garage during the winter. Unfortunately she did not agree that the requirent that she be able to open her car door whilst in the garage was a scope change and subject to negotiation. Considerng the untenable position I was in, I immediatel capitualted. I still have enough space in the garage to continue up to the point the tail and fuse are mated. I don't have enough space to allow for the tail control surfaces or wings to be attached. My question for those who have gone before: are there any landmines in this aproach that I need to be concerned about. My plan is to leave the wings / engine / tail control surfaces to the very last. Cheers Les #40643 - Still singing the section 29 blues ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com>
Subject: Re: Construction Sequence
Date: Oct 30, 2007
Joe, I'm well into section 33 and recently completed the endurance test, sec 29. I've built in order. my wings and tail are all done. Its been a slow build kit all the way.. So far I can't see any issue. I've had my wings in long term storage and have not had to visit them once during the fuse assembly. Occansionally, I'd stop by and say howdy, but have not needed them to build from.. Note. When you do get the fuse attached to the tail cone the airplane gets very long! Also, the side steps get permanently attached somewhere around sect 32 and the thing then is kinda wide too! Changing subjects, One of our glastars was built under a similar garage negotiation arrangement and it was so tight for space that I had to disconnect the garage door opener so she didn't accidentally try to raise the door and crash it into the tail feathers. but it all worked out fine. Bob Newman TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Rhodes To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Construction Sequence Your build sequence is the same as I have planed So it sounds good to me Joe Rhodes 40744 Just starting Rvbuildernet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LES KEARNEY Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:18 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Construction Sequence Hi All I have been building a bit out of sequence - tail first then slo build fuse. Last will be QB wings. This has been largely driven by the amount of space available in my garage and my desire to keep the project as close as possible. As winter aproaches and and look forward to completing section 29, I see that the tailcone attachment is not far off. This may cause a small space problem. When I started this project, my wife agreed that the project scope must include the provision that she be able to park her car in the garage during the winter. Unfortunately she did not agree that the requirent that she be able to open her car door whilst in the garage was a scope change and subject to negotiation. Considerng the untenable position I was in, I immediatel capitualted. I still have enough space in the garage to continue up to the point the tail and fuse are mated. I don't have enough space to allow for the tail control surfaces or wings to be attached. My question for those who have gone before: are there any landmines in this aproach that I need to be concerned about. My plan is to leave the wings / engine / tail control surfaces to the very last. Cheers Les #40643 - Still singing the section 29 blues ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2007
From: Sam Marlow <sam(at)fr8dog.net>
Subject: Fuel Valve problem
Just wanted to let everyone know, I changed the fuel selector, and that fixed the fuel shutoff problem as well as the venting overboard after refueling. Everything was plumbed properly, it was a defective valve, part #V407P-4, that is standard issue in the RV-10 kit supplied by Van's. I would suggest everyone test there valve periodically for proper operation! Be safe, stay informed, this forum is a valuable resource! Sam Marlow #40157 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Door Edge Insulation
Date: Oct 30, 2007
I'm finally getting around to putting the 'P' strip around the door edges and running into a problem. I was unable to find any 3M Super Silicone Sealant as was recommended, if fact other than DAP brand, the only thing I found was GE Silicon II but it doesn't stick very well to the 'P' strip. Has the 3M stuff worked well for everybody? If so, any ideas on where to get it? ACS has a couple of items in their catalog: Pg 74 Dow Corning "Silastic" Pg 127 Valco Cincinnati Multi-purpose Sealant Pg 131 3M Weatherstrip adhesives - several listed. The cabin is pretty noisy without the door edge insulation. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Vans Wingtip Light Kit - missing stuff
Date: Oct 31, 2007
From: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>
On mine the cups went up about halfway, and the springs really had to be compressed to fit at all. I made the angle spacers, and tried to screw everything together repeatedly before I finally figured out how to get it all to work. The easy way to do it, is to put all three through the face plate and set it on the bench, put springs on the screws, backing plate on, and compress the springs until they just seat in the nut plates. Then this is the hard part, slide the whole assembly to the side of the bench and as one screw is exposed get a screwdriver on it and hold the pressure. Do this for each of the three and it works. The hard part is then getting the angle spacers to line up, but work with it. Dan N289DT RV10E Flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Maib Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans Wingtip Light Kit - missing stuff All of my parts were there (2 retainer cups/plates) but the bulbs don't seem to fit very well into the cups, so the retainer plate is difficult/impossible to get installed correctly. I have not called Van's, but wonder if the size of the bulbs has changed slightly since they manufactured the cups. I will be interested to hear what others have found. David Maib 40559 On Tuesday, October 30, 2007, at 04:19PM, "Jay Brinkmeyer" wrote: > >Has anyone else had issues with missing VA-194B and VA-194C MR16 Retainer cups/plates? Kudos to Vans for sending replacement parts (no charge). However, their system showed quantity 4 each and my OP-36 directions show quantity 2 each. Two lights per side? > >Maybe I've been sniffing too much fiberglass dust lately... > >Cheers, >Jay >fiberglass is good for you, dooda, dooda... (to the tune of Old Suzzana) > > >__________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Oct 31, 2007
Subject: -10 Builders in DC area
I find myself out in Sterling VA and Germantown MD for the next 2 days on business and was wondering if there are an -10 builders that would like any help or just to have a beer. Not sure of my availability yet but thought I would throw that out there. Email me off list. Michael ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: pilots operating handbook
Date: Oct 31, 2007
I .think someone publish something on this awhile back. Anyone have a pdf of a starting point for the POH. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2007
From: Dan Masys <dmasys(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Trim troubles
> From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Trim troubles > > > I think I have it wired that way, the relay clicks when I activate the stick > but the servo won't move unless I press the panel switch. Both switches > activate the relay though. > > Gary > 40274 If those panel mounted switches are the rocker switches supplied by Ray Allen, the problem is that if you look closely at the schematic for those switches, they ground both sides of the SPDT circuit when the rocker is in the neutral position. This is supposed to reduce the amount of trim motor run-on, but it perfectly skunks the possibility of having a separate switch in parallel (ie., the one on the coolie hat) to work the flaps or trim circuit. This little "feature" of the rocker switches caused me to have to re-cut the right side panel to get rid of the rectangular hole for the Ray Allen switch, and put in a standard SPDT spring loaded switch for the panel mount location. -Dan Masys RV-10 N104LD flying - 75 hrs. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Vans Wingtip Light Kit - missing stuff
Date: Oct 31, 2007
Thanks Dan. On Oct 31, 2007, at 7:55 AM, Lloyd, Daniel R. wrote: On mine the cups went up about halfway, and the springs really had to be compressed to fit at all. I made the angle spacers, and tried to screw everything together repeatedly before I finally figured out how to get it all to work. The easy way to do it, is to put all three through the face plate and set it on the bench, put springs on the screws, backing plate on, and compress the springs until they just seat in the nut plates. Then this is the hard part, slide the whole assembly to the side of the bench and as one screw is exposed get a screwdriver on it and hold the pressure. Do this for each of the three and it works. The hard part is then getting the angle spacers to line up, but work with it. Dan N289DT RV10E Flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Maib Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans Wingtip Light Kit - missing stuff All of my parts were there (2 retainer cups/plates) but the bulbs don't seem to fit very well into the cups, so the retainer plate is difficult/impossible to get installed correctly. I have not called Van's, but wonder if the size of the bulbs has changed slightly since they manufactured the cups. I will be interested to hear what others have found. David Maib 40559 On Tuesday, October 30, 2007, at 04:19PM, "Jay Brinkmeyer" wrote: > > Has anyone else had issues with missing VA-194B and VA-194C MR16 Retainer cups/plates? Kudos to Vans for sending replacement parts (no charge). However, their system showed quantity 4 each and my OP-36 directions show quantity 2 each. Two lights per side? > > Maybe I've been sniffing too much fiberglass dust lately... > > Cheers, > Jay > fiberglass is good for you, dooda, dooda... (to the tune of Old Suzzana) > > > __________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2007
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Trim troubles
I don't think it negates all possibilities....with both the relay system, and the Safety-Trim system, I had a panel mounted Elevator switch (Ray Allen Type), and 2 stick switches, and all 3 switches worked fine. You just have to piece together the proper diagrams from Ray Allen and then it all works together. I know someone mentioned diodes already, and I think I had a pair in my install too, but I haven't taken the time to re-think how I put that all together....but I do know it works. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Dan Masys wrote: > > >> From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Trim troubles >> >> >> I think I have it wired that way, the relay clicks when I activate the stick >> but the servo won't move unless I press the panel switch. Both switches >> activate the relay though. >> >> Gary >> 40274 > > If those panel mounted switches are the rocker switches supplied by Ray Allen, the problem is that if you look closely at the schematic for those switches, they ground both sides of the SPDT circuit when the rocker is in the neutral position. This is supposed to reduce the amount of trim motor run-on, but it perfectly skunks the possibility of having a separate switch in parallel (ie., the one on the coolie hat) to work the flaps or trim circuit. > > This little "feature" of the rocker switches caused me to have to re-cut the right side panel to get rid of the rectangular hole for the Ray Allen switch, and put in a standard SPDT spring loaded switch for the panel mount location. > > -Dan Masys > RV-10 N104LD flying - 75 hrs. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2007
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Subject: November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month!
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From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Trim troubles
Date: Nov 01, 2007
I solved the problem. The diodes that are installed to isolate the switches on the panel from the relay were the issue. I also hooked the stick switches up to the diodes but it won't work that way, switched it around and all is well. Ray Allen is not sure why it won't work that way but they said to try switching it and see if it works. Gary 40274 Installing windshield -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Trim troubles I don't think it negates all possibilities....with both the relay system, and the Safety-Trim system, I had a panel mounted Elevator switch (Ray Allen Type), and 2 stick switches, and all 3 switches worked fine. You just have to piece together the proper diagrams from Ray Allen and then it all works together. I know someone mentioned diodes already, and I think I had a pair in my install too, but I haven't taken the time to re-think how I put that all together....but I do know it works. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Dan Masys wrote: > > >> From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Trim troubles >> >> >> I think I have it wired that way, the relay clicks when I activate the stick >> but the servo won't move unless I press the panel switch. Both switches >> activate the relay though. >> >> Gary >> 40274 > > If those panel mounted switches are the rocker switches supplied by Ray Allen, the problem is that if you look closely at the schematic for those switches, they ground both sides of the SPDT circuit when the rocker is in the neutral position. This is supposed to reduce the amount of trim motor run-on, but it perfectly skunks the possibility of having a separate switch in parallel (ie., the one on the coolie hat) to work the flaps or trim circuit. > > This little "feature" of the rocker switches caused me to have to re-cut the right side panel to get rid of the rectangular hole for the Ray Allen switch, and put in a standard SPDT spring loaded switch for the panel mount location. > > -Dan Masys > RV-10 N104LD flying - 75 hrs. > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2007
Subject: Re: Trim troubles
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
I just happen to be going over my pitch trim wiring and came to the same co nclusion. That is; if you will be installing a relay deck, replacing the p rovided DPDT rocker switch with a momentary SPDT switch, simplifies the wir ing greatly. I built my own relay deck and incorporated a simple two-speed (Normal/Cruise) switch. The switch places or removes a resister in the po wer path to the servo motor.=0A=0Ahttp://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electri cal/RV10PitchTrim.pdf=0A=0AWilliam=0Ahttp://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ =0A=0A-------- Original Message --------=0A=0A> > =0A> > If those panel mounted switches are the rocker switches supplied by Ray=0A> Allen, the problem is that if you look closely at the schematic for those =0A> switches, they ground both sides of the SPDT circuit when the rocke r is in=0A> the neutral position. This is supposed to reduce the amount of trim motor=0A> run-on, but it perfectly skunks the possibility of ha ving a separate switch=0A> in parallel (ie., the one on the coolie hat) to work the flaps or trim=0A> circuit.=0A> > =0A> > This little "f eature" of the rocker switches caused me to have to re-cut=0A> the right side panel to get rid of the rectangular hole for the Ray Allen=0A> swi tch, and put in a standard SPDT spring loaded switch for the panel mount =0A> location.=0A> > =0A> > -Dan Masys=0A> > RV-10 N104LD flying - ============== =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Dunne" <acs(at)acspropeller.com.au>
Subject: Re: Trim troubles
Date: Nov 02, 2007
William, doesn't the DPDT switch takes the place of the need to have two SPDT switches on the panel, i.e one way for forward trim and the other for aft trim? The SPDT switches on the pilot and co-pilot sticks each look after forward trim or aft trim individually. I would have thought the intention would be to have all three switches operating exactly the same, the only difference being a fore and aft option in one convenient switch on the panel. John 40315 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:26 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Trim troubles I just happen to be going over my pitch trim wiring and came to the same conclusion. That is; if you will be installing a relay deck, replacing the provided DPDT rocker switch with a momentary SPDT switch, simplifies the wiring greatly. I built my own relay deck and incorporated a simple two-speed (Normal/Cruise) switch. The switch places or removes a resister in the power path to the servo motor. http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10PitchTrim.pdf William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ -------- Original Message -------- > > > > If those panel mounted switches are the rocker switches supplied by Ray > Allen, the problem is that if you look closely at the schematic for those > switches, they ground both sides of the SPDT circuit when the rocker is in > the neutral position. This is supposed to reduce the amount of trim motor > run-on, but it perfectly skunks the possibility of having a separate > switch > in parallel (ie., the one on the coolie hat) to work the flaps or trim > circuit. > > > > This little "feature" of the rocker switches caused me to have to re-cut > the right side panel to get rid of the rectangular hole for the Ray Allen > switch, and put in a standard SPDT spring loaded switch for the panel > mount > location. > > > > -Dan Masys > > RV-10 N104LD flying -============= ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2007
Subject: Re: Trim troubles
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
The caveat was IF YOU WILL BE USING A RELAY DECK. Without the relay deck, yes you would need two SPDT switches. The momentary switches in the pilot stick are SPDT. Replacing the DPDT (center off) panel rocker switch with a momentary SPDT makes all switches the same. Your panel switch will just be another switch like the ones in the stick. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ -------- Original Message -------- > X-Rcpt-To: > > > William, doesn't the DPDT switch takes the place of the need to have two > SPDT switches on the panel, i.e one way for forward trim and the other for > aft trim? > The SPDT switches on the pilot and co-pilot sticks each look after forward > trim or aft trim individually. I would have thought the intention would be > to have all three switches operating exactly the same, the only difference > being a fore and aft option in one convenient switch on the panel. > John 40315 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com> > To: > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:26 AM > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Trim troubles > > > I just happen to be going over my pitch trim wiring and came to the same > conclusion. That is; if you will be installing a relay deck, replacing the > provided DPDT rocker switch with a momentary SPDT switch, simplifies the > wiring greatly. I built my own relay deck and incorporated a simple > two-speed (Normal/Cruise) switch. The switch places or removes a resister > in the power path to the servo motor. > > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10PitchTrim.pdf > > William > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > > > > If those panel mounted switches are the rocker switches supplied by Ray > > Allen, the problem is that if you look closely at the schematic for those > > switches, they ground both sides of the SPDT circuit when the rocker is in > > the neutral position. This is supposed to reduce the amount of trim motor > > run-on, but it perfectly skunks the possibility of having a separate > > switch > > in parallel (ie., the one on the coolie hat) to work the flaps or trim > > circuit. > > > > > > This little "feature" of the rocker switches caused me to have to re-cut > > the right side panel to get rid of the rectangular hole for the Ray Allen > > switch, and put in a standard SPDT spring loaded switch for the panel > > mount > > location. > > > > > > -Dan Masys > > > RV-10 N104LD flying -============= > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2007
From: Sam Marlow <sam(at)fr8dog.net>
Subject: Re: Trim troubles
Do you remember the value of the resistor? I would like to slow my trim in cruise as well, this looks like an inexpensive solution. Sam William Curtis wrote: > I just happen to be going over my pitch trim wiring and came to the same conclusion. That is; if you will be installing a relay deck, replacing the provided DPDT rocker switch with a momentary SPDT switch, simplifies the wiring greatly. I built my own relay deck and incorporated a simple two-speed (Normal/Cruise) switch. The switch places or removes a resister in the power path to the servo motor. > > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10PitchTrim.pdf > > William > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ > > -------- Original Message -------- > > >>> If those panel mounted switches are the rocker switches supplied by Ray >>> >> Allen, the problem is that if you look closely at the schematic for those >> switches, they ground both sides of the SPDT circuit when the rocker is in >> the neutral position. This is supposed to reduce the amount of trim motor >> run-on, but it perfectly skunks the possibility of having a separate switch >> in parallel (ie., the one on the coolie hat) to work the flaps or trim >> circuit. >> >>> This little "feature" of the rocker switches caused me to have to re-cut >>> >> the right side panel to get rid of the rectangular hole for the Ray Allen >> switch, and put in a standard SPDT spring loaded switch for the panel mount >> location. >> >>> -Dan Masys >>> RV-10 N104LD flying -============== >>> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com>
Subject: Re: Trim troubles
Date: Nov 01, 2007
Fellow listers, Thru this recent thread regarding a trim switch/relay problem I've offered some troubleshooting ideas to help solve the current issue at hand and have not brought up any of my commercial interests regarding Safety-Trim. Now that it seems to be sorted out and the root cause was determined to be an issue with diodes and the Ray Allen trim switch I'm inclined to chime in. I realize different folks want different levels of complexity in the aircraft and I fully support that. As a fellow RV-10 builder and a Glastar builder I have enjoy making the decisions how my airplane will operate and how complex or not it would be. I'd just like to make you all aware that one of the benifits of the Safety-Trim electronic servo controller is that the switch wiring required to accomplish multiples points of control is greatly simplified over that traditionally done with a series of relay decks. All of the switches used in a Safety-Trim system only need to be SPST for each function, each is just a simple closure to ground. Safety-Trim handles any comflicts between the pilot and the co-pilot and/or a panel mounted switch asking for different directions. This benefit is in addition to that of the run-away prevention technology and 2 speed preset functions also found in our controller. For all the details and to see our instruction manuals, please visit www.tcwtech.com Thank you, Bob Newman rnewman(at)tcwtech.com RV-10 #40176 N541RV ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2007
From: Aaron Gleixner <aarongleixner(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: TruTrak Pitch servo installation
I installed my system last week (its the latest version with the wheel and cable), and had the exact same issue. I just shortened the spacer to the length that made it work. Let me know if I missed something. Aaron AirMike wrote: I am having a problem with the install of the (what should be easy) TruTrak Pitch servo. The problem is that the Aluminum spacer that they include is too long. I only have about .28" of space between the bellcrank bracket and the MM-3-300 rod end bearing. The TruTrak Pitch servo plans call for a (supplied) .438" spacer in that space. If I put in that thick of a spacer the whole thing would be very cattywhompus and would stress the drive on the servo and the bearing on the bellcrank. (Yes, I did double check to see that I reinstalled the drive wheel properly) If anyone has had the same issue please let me know. Also, as this has been an all day ordeal - calling Zach at Trutrak three times today, I intend to post installation instructions for the servo tomorrow. -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142663#142663 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2007
Subject: Re: Trim troubles
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
Right now it is variable. Until I'm flying I won't have a specific value for the resistor. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ -------- Original Message -------- > X-Rcpt-To: > > Do you remember the value of the resistor? I would like to slow my trim > in cruise as well, this looks like an inexpensive solution. > Sam > > William Curtis wrote: > > I just happen to be going over my pitch trim wiring and came to the same conclusion. That is; if you will be installing a relay deck, replacing the provided DPDT rocker switch with a momentary SPDT switch, simplifies the wiring greatly. I built my own relay deck and incorporated a simple two-speed (Normal/Cruise) switch. The switch places or removes a resister in the power path to the servo motor. > > > > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10PitchTrim.pdf > > > > William > > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > > >>> If those panel mounted switches are the rocker switches supplied by Ray > >>> > >> Allen, the problem is that if you look closely at the schematic for those > >> switches, they ground both sides of the SPDT circuit when the rocker is in > >> the neutral position. This is supposed to reduce the amount of trim motor > >> run-on, but it perfectly skunks the possibility of having a separate switch > >> in parallel (ie., the one on the coolie hat) to work the flaps or trim > >> circuit. > >> > >>> This little "feature" of the rocker switches caused me to have to re-cut > >>> > >> the right side panel to get rid of the rectangular hole for the Ray Allen > >> switch, and put in a standard SPDT spring loaded switch for the panel mount > >> location. > >> > >>> -Dan Masys > >>> RV-10 N104LD flying -============== > >>> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: TruTrak Pitch servo installation
Date: Nov 01, 2007
I haven't been following the TT pitch servo thread but whatever you do make sure that the servo can not get into an over center lock. A locked elevator means pruning of the gene pool. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 5:49 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: TruTrak Pitch servo installation I installed my system last week (its the latest version with the wheel and cable), and had the exact same issue. I just shortened the spacer to the length that made it work. Let me know if I missed something. Aaron AirMike wrote: I am having a problem with the install of the (what should be easy) TruTrak Pitch servo. The problem is that the Aluminum spacer that they include is too long. I only have about .28" of space between the bellcrank bracket and the MM-3-300 rod end bearing. The TruTrak Pitch servo plans call for a (supplied) .438" spacer in that space. If I put in that thick of a spacer the whole thing would be very cattywhompus and would stress the drive on the servo and the bearing on the ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Dunne" <acs(at)acspropeller.com.au>
Subject: TruTrak Pitch servo installation
Date: Nov 02, 2007
I had a look at my spacer on the servo last night and I would say it's definitely closer to the .438" size rather than the .280" as Mike has described. All is square. I would check with TruTrak until they can identify to your satisfaction, what has changed. John 40315 From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gleixner Sent: Friday, 2 November 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: TruTrak Pitch servo installation I installed my system last week (its the latest version with the wheel and cable), and had the exact same issue. I just shortened the spacer to the length that made it work. Let me know if I missed something. Aaron AirMike wrote: I am having a problem with the install of the (what should be easy) TruTrak Pitch servo. The problem is that the Aluminum spacer that they include is too long. I only have about .28" of space between the bellcrank bracket and the MM-3-300 rod end bearing. The TruTrak Pitch servo plans call for a (supplied) .438" spacer in that space. If I put in that thick of a spacer the whole thing would be very cattywhompus and would stress the drive on the servo and the bearing on the ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Subject: Van's Homecoming
Date: Nov 01, 2007
Norm, I heard you have over 100 hours on your plane already. Give us details!!! How is the flying going? I met you and poked around your plane at the homecoming this summer. Sure looked nice. -Ben Westfall #40579 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of NormRainey(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Homecoming Just waiting for an FAA inspection here in Independence. Come down Golf taxiway at the north end of the airpark. Norm Rainey #40348 _____ <http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> . ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Alternate static switch
Date: Nov 01, 2007
From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston(at)popsound.com>
Hey all - a bit of discussion awhile back about ways to do alternate static air, and i promised i'd report back on my findings. The long and short is that the toggle valve from clippard seems to be super cool. seemingly, it works well with the Safeair1 static quick connect kit. i've blathered on about it on my site here: http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Alternate%20St atic%20switch.html anyway, the part# for the clippard toggle valve is the TV-2SP. I Haven't actually installed it and done a static system leak test or anything, but hopefully when i do it won't leak :) cj ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Alternate static switch
Date: Nov 02, 2007
Thanks for the tip. I went to the site and looked for TV-25P and could not find it. Are you sure that it is not TV-2SP? Thanks. Rob. On Nov 2, 2007, at 1:55 AM, Chris Johnston wrote: > Hey all - > > a bit of discussion awhile back about ways to do alternate static > air, and i promised i'd report back on my findings. The long and > short is that the toggle valve from clippard seems to be super > cool. seemingly, it works well with the Safeair1 static quick > connect kit. i've blathered on about it on my site here: > > http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Alternate > %20Static%20switch.html > > anyway, the part# for the clippard toggle valve is the TV-2SP. I > Haven't actually installed it and done a static system leak test or > anything, but hopefully when i do it won't leak :) > > cj ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Trim troubles
Date: Nov 02, 2007
It seems to me that the two problems with the stock RV10 trim that Tim outlines should be able to be solved with less expense than a whole new system (no offence Tim). The resister that William Curtis suggested solves one of them (speed), can anyone of you electronics guys design a time out circuit that we could build and add to our Ray Allen system? William, what value of resister are you starting with to test the system? Gary 40274 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Trim troubles Right now it is variable. Until I'm flying I won't have a specific value for the resistor. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ -------- Original Message -------- > X-Rcpt-To: > > Do you remember the value of the resistor? I would like to slow my trim > in cruise as well, this looks like an inexpensive solution. > Sam > > William Curtis wrote: > > I just happen to be going over my pitch trim wiring and came to the same conclusion. That is; if you will be installing a relay deck, replacing the provided DPDT rocker switch with a momentary SPDT switch, simplifies the wiring greatly. I built my own relay deck and incorporated a simple two-speed (Normal/Cruise) switch. The switch places or removes a resister in the power path to the servo motor. > > > > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/90Electrical/RV10PitchTrim.pdf > > > > William > > http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > > >>> If those panel mounted switches are the rocker switches supplied by Ray > >>> > >> Allen, the problem is that if you look closely at the schematic for those > >> switches, they ground both sides of the SPDT circuit when the rocker is in > >> the neutral position. This is supposed to reduce the amount of trim motor > >> run-on, but it perfectly skunks the possibility of having a separate switch > >> in parallel (ie., the one on the coolie hat) to work the flaps or trim > >> circuit. > >> > >>> This little "feature" of the rocker switches caused me to have to re-cut > >>> > >> the right side panel to get rid of the rectangular hole for the Ray Allen > >> switch, and put in a standard SPDT spring loaded switch for the panel mount > >> location. > >> > >>> -Dan Masys > >>> RV-10 N104LD flying -============== > >>> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: : RV10-List:Trim troubles and mods
gary wrote: > >It seems to me that the two problems with the stock RV10 trim that Tim >outlines should be able to be solved with less expense than a whole new >system (no offence Tim). The resister that William Curtis suggested solves >one of them (speed), can anyone of you electronics guys design a time out >circuit that we could build and add to our Ray Allen system? > Designing the delay function is the easy part (probably 555 timer available at Radio Shack). What function do you want to 'time out' (incremental trim???), how long is the time (,25 second??), and what presently controls that function (switch???)??? I have no clue (I'm not there yet) what the actual functionality of the servo is. Does it run too fast (the resistor mod) or coast past the wanted position???? What's the basic complaint??? Linn > >William, what value of resister are you starting with to test the system? > >Gary >40274 > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Dan Lloyd - Greenville, PA
Date: Nov 02, 2007
Please pray for Dan and his family. Not many details known other than what's in the newspaper report. http://www.sharonherald.com/homepage/local_story_306095719.html ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dan Lloyd - Greenville, PA
Date: Nov 02, 2007
Sad to see. My sympathy to his family. rob On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:50 AM, wrote: > > > Please pray for Dan and his family. > > Not many details known other than what's in the newspaper report. > > http://www.sharonherald.com/homepage/local_story_306095719.html > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Pray for Dan's family
It's time to pray for a family of one of our own. Dan Lloyd crashed and was killed in his RV-10 this morning. HIS WIFE AND KIDS WERE NOT IN THE PLANE, so breathe your sigh of relief on that point right now. They were to go for a flight in the next hour. The plane is destroyed and Dan was killed, however. This is the only link I have at this time: http://www.sharon-herald.com/ Focus your prayers on the family, as they poured themselves into this project, and they will need all the support they can get. This is the first known fatal in an RV-10, and it's a very sad day for us all, especially as it involved an long-time building friend. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <millstees(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Pray for Dan's family
Date: Nov 02, 2007
Dan's loss affects me greatly, as we were both building -10's with the same engine. We talked many times, as recently as last week, and were planning a trip to Minnesota later this month in his plane. Dan was always ready to help, and anxoius to discuss the RV-10. My condolences to his family...a sad day. Steve Mills N750SM (reserved) RV-10 40486 Naperville, Illinois -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family It's time to pray for a family of one of our own. Dan Lloyd crashed and was killed in his RV-10 this morning. HIS WIFE AND KIDS WERE NOT IN THE PLANE, so breathe your sigh of relief on that point right now. They were to go for a flight in the next hour. The plane is destroyed and Dan was killed, however. This is the only link I have at this time: http://www.sharon-herald.com/ Focus your prayers on the family, as they poured themselves into this project, and they will need all the support they can get. This is the first known fatal in an RV-10, and it's a very sad day for us all, especially as it involved an long-time building friend. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [OhioValleyRVators] Re: Greenville PA]
Date: Nov 02, 2007
Cross posting to the RV-10 list. > > From: "Rick" <rickgray(at)roadrunner.com> > Date: 2007/11/02 Fri AM 10:27:43 EST > To: OhioValleyRVators(at)yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OhioValleyRVators] Re: Greenville PA > > There is more news here: > > http://kdka.com/topstories/plane.crash.Jamestown.2.481044.html > > I called the news station and they are out in the field. > > I also called Trish. She knows we are there for Dan, Her, and the > kids. Right now the best way to contribute is to Pray for Dan and his > family. > > Rick at the Buffalo Farm > > > > Please stop what you are doing and Pray for Dan's Family. > > > > Rick > > > > > http://www.sharonherald.com/homepage/local_story_306095719.html? > > > keyword=leadpicturestory > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Pray for Dan's family
I am thankful his family is okay. I spoke with Dan on more than a few occasions and met with him in Florida in August. He was a very nice guy and was very helpful to me and many others. He will be missed. ..Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: November-02-07 9:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family It's time to pray for a family of one of our own. Dan Lloyd crashed and was killed in his RV-10 this morning. HIS WIFE AND KIDS WERE NOT IN THE PLANE, so breathe your sigh of relief on that point right now. They were to go for a flight in the next hour. The plane is destroyed and Dan was killed, however. This is the only link I have at this time: http://www.sharon-herald.com/ Focus your prayers on the family, as they poured themselves into this project, and they will need all the support they can get. This is the first known fatal in an RV-10, and it's a very sad day for us all, especially as it involved an long-time building friend. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pray for Dan's family
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
It is with a heavy heart that too received multiple phone calls and took word of our loss of Dan Lloyd and his wonderful RV-10 as I departed from work this morning. I too am so thankful his family was not aboard. I can only pray for the family in this unfortunate time and look back fondly at his smile and pride during Mike Sausen's picnic this summer back in Oshkosh, as we all toasted his accomplishments and plans for the future. Build safe, Fly wise, seek more training, live long and remember the best of Dan Lloyd and his gregarious and wonderful personality. Our family is much to small not to appreciate his contributions. John Cox -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 8:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family It's time to pray for a family of one of our own. Dan Lloyd crashed and was killed in his RV-10 this morning. HIS WIFE AND KIDS WERE NOT IN THE PLANE, so breathe your sigh of relief on that point right now. They were to go for a flight in the next hour. The plane is destroyed and Dan was killed, however. This is the only link I have at this time: http://www.sharon-herald.com/ Focus your prayers on the family, as they poured themselves into this project, and they will need all the support they can get. This is the first known fatal in an RV-10, and it's a very sad day for us all, especially as it involved an long-time building friend. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
It's amazing how a bond can be created with someone, simply from receiving responses to questions from that person. I am rather saddened and shocked by this news in a way that I knew this person, even though I never met him. Godspeed Dan! Pascal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family > > It's time to pray for a family of one of our own. > Dan Lloyd crashed and was killed in his RV-10 this morning. > HIS WIFE AND KIDS WERE NOT IN THE PLANE, so breathe your sigh > of relief on that point right now. They were to go for a flight > in the next hour. The plane is destroyed and Dan was killed, > however. > > This is the only link I have at this time: > http://www.sharon-herald.com/ > > Focus your prayers on the family, as they poured themselves into > this project, and they will need all the support they can get. > > This is the first known fatal in an RV-10, and it's a very sad > day for us all, especially as it involved an long-time building > friend. > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
This hit me like a ton of bricks. Dan - was my friend, (I suspect everyone who met him felt that way). He was full of enthusiasm and encouragement. I owed him a Sundae for not being ready for Copperstate. My last e-mail from him, forgave the debt and committed us to buy each other sundaes to honor the completions on his planned trip out West. I miss you Dan. Fly high. Deems ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Nov 02, 2007
Subject: Pray for Dan's family
Very sad day indeed. I have also talked with Dan many times and encouraged him through his building. My sincerest condolences to Trish and his family. Let's all try to wait until some real information comes out before there is any speculation on what could have caused such a horrible accident. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of millstees(at)ameritech.net Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family Dan's loss affects me greatly, as we were both building -10's with the same engine. We talked many times, as recently as last week, and were planning a trip to Minnesota later this month in his plane. Dan was always ready to help, and anxoius to discuss the RV-10. My condolences to his family...a sad day. Steve Mills N750SM (reserved) RV-10 40486 Naperville, Illinois -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family It's time to pray for a family of one of our own. Dan Lloyd crashed and was killed in his RV-10 this morning. HIS WIFE AND KIDS WERE NOT IN THE PLANE, so breathe your sigh of relief on that point right now. They were to go for a flight in the next hour. The plane is destroyed and Dan was killed, however. This is the only link I have at this time: http://www.sharon-herald.com/ Focus your prayers on the family, as they poured themselves into this project, and they will need all the support they can get. This is the first known fatal in an RV-10, and it's a very sad day for us all, especially as it involved an long-time building friend. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux
Thanks to all on list and off list that have helped me with the Andair Fuel Valve acquisition. I have a valve which I will use. I would like to use a 6" extension if I can get one easily. If anyone has a Andair Fuel Selector Extension kit you'd like to sell, please contact me. Current status and findings: After much back and forth and some cancelled orders to Andair, I bought a unit from Vans: Part Number: FUEL VALVE FS 20X7T Quantity: 1 Unit Price: 205.00 Part Number: F SWIVEL TEE Quantity: 1 Unit Price: 19.50 The 20X7T seems to me to be the best configuration whether you use or extension or not. Vans said they still had a couple of dozen. The price is right given current exchange rates with a savings of +$100 over ordering direct from Andair. That difference is going to filter thru to Van's inventory at some point so I'd go buy one if in the market. The swivel T seems to be the optimal accessory for a fuel injected 540 installation. The feeds from the tank are on elbows but the total cross section is considerably less than using regular AN elbows threaded into the valve body. I feel I can use this valve pretty easily with or without an extension. I'll post a photo once installed. Thanks to all the others who posted photos - invaluable! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
Just met him at Osh. Damn. He had a great spirit and a very supportive wife & family. He's missed. Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Alternate static switch
From: "nick(at)nleonard.com" <nick(at)nleonard.com>
Date: Nov 02, 2007
The switches are readily available at McMaster-Carr (McMaster.com), which is a great store to work with and they have an incredible inventory. I just got the 6791T13 which has the plastic toggle switch. The 6791T11 and 6791T12 have the metal switches. I was hoping that the plastic switch would look more like the 'standard' electrical "bat" switch. It is similar but the handle is slightly narrower and longer. It will still look good in the panel but will need to be placed out of the way so it isn't accidentally switched on (open). These are a very cool solution for an alternate static switch and reasonably priced. -------- Nick Leonard RV-10 (40015) Finish Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143404#143404 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
A ton of bricks is right. The hardest part is thinking about how his family signed the inside of the aircraft during construction and how proud he was of Trish for jumping in all the way on the build. I'm lost for words, God speed Dan. Rick Sked ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 9:12:22 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family This hit me like a ton of bricks. Dan - was my friend, (I suspect everyone who met him felt that way). He was full of enthusiasm and encouragement. I owed him a Sundae for not being ready for Copperstate. My last e-mail from him, forgave the debt and committed us to buy each other sundaes to honor the completions on his planned trip out West. I miss you Dan. Fly high. Deems ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
From: "dherring10" <dherring10(at)suddenlink.net>
Date: Nov 02, 2007
I met Dan at Osh this year and it was like meeting an old friend. I talked to him on the phone many times since and he was always eager to share information and give me encouragement. I liked kidding him about his paint job. I will miss him. I will certainly be praying for his family. Dwayne Herring Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143420#143420 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com>
Never met Dan, never talked to him, but he was a part of an extended family that we've become. This just hits in the pit of your stomach. We have all been holding our collective breaths, I believe, that this email message would eventually be delivered, hoping it would be delayed for a long, long time, and perhaps never come. I am so sorry it was Dan; that it would be any one of us. Two things that come to mind. Tomorrow, I'm going to go fly. I'm going to get up into that wonderful sky and I'm going to say my prayer for Dan and his family there, where the words belong. Second, I ask someone here who knew Dan and his family, and who might gently enquire as to where I can send a donation, to let me know. You can do it offline or let the list know. We are having the NW RV-10 Fall dinner soon, and we will take a moment at that time to wish Dan God Speed, as well. John Jessen ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Dunne" <acs(at)acspropeller.com.au>
Subject: Pray for Dan's Family
Date: Nov 03, 2007
Truly tragic news. Prayers for Dan and his family Condolences to all John 40315 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's Family
Date: Nov 03, 2007
I wake to very sad news , my thoughts go out to the family. Blue sky's Dan. Chris 388 http://www.wpxi.com/news/14495090/detail.html?rss=burg&psp=news ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: James Hein <n8vim(at)arrl.net>
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
Dan was going to stop by sometime so that I could look at his plane. I have this terrible thought that "If I didn't ask him, maybe it wouldn't have happened..." Kinda silly, but can't shake the feeling. This is the second friend of mine who has died in a crash. The first one was on a first flight around 1995. It spooked me a bit... I don't think I can get back to building for a while. God Speed. -Jim 40384 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston(at)popsound.com>
a sad day indeed. Dan will be missed. condolences to the family. cj & Bethany ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vernon Smith <planesmith(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Pray for Dan's family
Date: Nov 02, 2007
As a group we share more than conversation and information, we share a comm on dream and love. It is this commonality that draws us together. It also i ncreases the pain of loss. The missing man formation has always touched som ething inside and now it has a deeper meaning. Dan will be sorely missed bu t not forgotten as long as we hold on to his memory. My heart goes out to his family. Vern > Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:01:45 -0700> From: rv10builder(at)verizon.net> Subj ect: Re: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com> > - amazing how a bond can be created with someone, simply from receiving > res ponses to questions from that person. I am rather saddened and shocked by > this news in a way that I knew this person, even though I never met him.> Godspeed Dan!> > Pascal> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Olson" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 02 , 2007 8:04 AM> Subject: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family> > > > --> RV10-L ist message posted by: Tim Olson > >> > It's time to pray f or a family of one of our own.> > Dan Lloyd crashed and was killed in his R V-10 this morning.> > HIS WIFE AND KIDS WERE NOT IN THE PLANE, so breathe y our sigh> > of relief on that point right now. They were to go for a flight > > in the next hour. The plane is destroyed and Dan was killed,> > however .> >> > This is the only link I have at this time:> > http://www.sharon-her ald.com/> >> > Focus your prayers on the family, as they poured themselves into> > this project, and they will need all the support they can get.> >> > This is the first known fatal in an RV-10, and it's a very sad> > day for us all, especially as it involved an long-time building> > friend.> >> > - =====> > > _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Oc tWLtagline ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
Our plane was in Vans booth during OSH and I watched as Dan taxied up and parked just behind the booth. After things settled a bit I went over and listened as he talked to several people. I also talked to him briefly at Vans dinner. He seemed like a gentle soul. Condolences to the family and those that knew him well. Bill & Sara DeRouchey N939SB, flying (in denial?) Chris Johnston wrote: a sad day indeed. Dan will be missed. condolences to the family. cj & Bethany ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: Pray for Dan's family
Date: Nov 02, 2007
My heart goes out to Dan's family. My prayers are with them. He truly was a pioneer in the RV-10 world and a friend. I believe N256H was the first RV-10 he sat in down in Dunnellon in November of '05. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
I too am saddened by the loss of Dan. I don't think I ever met him, but like many others I felt I knew him. He was part of our extended family. So, to remember Dan, I went through my archives and read many of his posts. He sure did contribute and help many of us. So as a tribute, below are a collection of his emails. *To start off, here is is last post to the list, from yesterday:* On mine the cups went up about halfway, and the springs really had to be compressed to fit at all. I made the angle spacers, and tried to screw everything together repeatedly before I finally figured out how to get it all to work. The easy way to do it, is to put all three through the face plate and set it on the bench, put springs on the screws, backing plate on, and compress the springs until they just seat in the nut plates. Then this is the hard part, slide the whole assembly to the side of the bench and as one screw is exposed get a screwdriver on it and hold the pressure. Do this for each of the three and it works. The hard part is then getting the angle spacers to line up, but work with it. Dan N289DT RV10E Flying *Did anyone at OSH this year take Dan up on use of his wife's Expedition:* We will have our Expedition, and will be happy to coordinate picking your stuff up and moving it back and forth for you. Dan The RV10 is large, but it does not have a trailer hitch, and the pop-up is too big to fit into the baggage area, so because we will be there the whole week my wife offered to drive up and meet us there. I SHOULD be there with the RV10E and the Expedition. Dan Keep in mind I am a glutinous American, so why only take one, I will be taking both the RV10E and the Expedition, it is my right to burn as much fuel as possible on a trip! Dan Maintenance crew, now you are funny, it is to carry the cotton baby diapers to wipe off all the drool and fingerprints everyone will be putting on it! Dan *Dan sure did love his RV-10 Here's one from transition training, which was his first flight in the 10* Hey guys, I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over 200MPH, did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight. I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress the value of transition training and spending the time necessary to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is that I have heard about P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready. While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us feel welcome! THX Dan Lloyd N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!! ...BUT with everything being said about costs, planning and such, lets keep in the perspective that there is not a better feeling than the first time you take off in a plane you built in your garage, it makes everything else a mute point. No matter what you have to do, collect aluminum cans if you have to! Build one and fly it, it is definitely worth the heartache and frustration along the way! Dan N289DT RV10E flying *Dan encoring us on:* Congrats Tom, and we look forward to hearing about your progress. If you want to have your wife talk to Trish feel free to call and they can brainstorm on how each team member can participate. Each of our kids got to sign the inside of every structure they worked on, with name, date and age. Even the younger kids can participate by handing tools, sorting pieces etc. Give us a call, and I would be happy to fly up and give you guys some motivational rides and get everyone excited about the adventure ahead! Dan N289DT RV10E Flying *Here's one for you Deems:* Hang in there Deems, you are getting close! After 10.6 hours and 68 landings logged, I can say this plane is worth it. It will be everything you wanted and more. Now I just need to get home and git'r'done too. I heard you were coming up to the dinner in a couple of weeks, make sure to get Randy and others to give you a ride for motivation. This is when you need it most to get you over the hump! Dan "starting the up hill push to finish" N289DT RV10E *and the last one, Dan asking us to be safe:* You need to be careful on this, allot of people follow this list and read your recommendations on both safety of flight issues, as well as equipage for IFR, but they do not know you do not have a pilots license and do not have any IMC time, to make this type of comment could lead allot of low time pilots to believe that they can get by without training. When I got the transition training from Mike and let him review your comment he stated that even he, as the pilot with the "most RV time around" would not get into a new plane and fly when/if there is transition training available, even he would take several hours and learn the intricacies of the new plane. I can not stress the value of transition training enough, regardless of how much time you have, this is why most insurance agencies will not insure without dual time. We do not want to end up like the Lancair guys and have our insurance so high it is unaffordable. We are building plans valued north of $100k and in the scheme of things transition training is a very low cost item to help ensure a successful first flight. Dan Lloyd N289DT RV10E *Godspeed Dan!* Larry Rosen RV-10 #356 N205EN (reserved) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pray for Dan's family
Date: Nov 03, 2007
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.com>
I'm simply lost for words. It is a sad day indeed, and my thoughts and best wishes are with his family. Ron "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Joseph Rhodes" <joe(at)rvbuildernet.com>
Subject: Pray for Dan's family
Date: Nov 02, 2007
I am a new builder and did not know Dan. This is truly a sad day for all of us Our Prayers are with his family Joe and Marcia Rhodes -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family It's time to pray for a family of one of our own. Dan Lloyd crashed and was killed in his RV-10 this morning. HIS WIFE AND KIDS WERE NOT IN THE PLANE, so breathe your sigh of relief on that point right now. They were to go for a flight in the next hour. The plane is destroyed and Dan was killed, however. This is the only link I have at this time: http://www.sharon-herald.com/ Focus your prayers on the family, as they poured themselves into this project, and they will need all the support they can get. This is the first known fatal in an RV-10, and it's a very sad day for us all, especially as it involved an long-time building friend. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: <jcarlton3(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
I, too, never met Dan in person, but his encouragement towards the build, his enthusiasm for aviation, made an impact on me. I wish I could have met up with him as he was traveling to Dana's gig one day some time ago, but my scheduling would not allow it. My loss. I understand he was big into the electronics and toys of aviation that we all wish we knew more about. Condolences to his family and his friends. We are a smaller world today... Jim ---- Pascal wrote: > > It's amazing how a bond can be created with someone, simply from receiving > responses to questions from that person. I am rather saddened and shocked by > this news in a way that I knew this person, even though I never met him. > Godspeed Dan! > > Pascal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> > To: > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 8:04 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family > > > > > > It's time to pray for a family of one of our own. > > Dan Lloyd crashed and was killed in his RV-10 this morning. > > HIS WIFE AND KIDS WERE NOT IN THE PLANE, so breathe your sigh > > of relief on that point right now. They were to go for a flight > > in the next hour. The plane is destroyed and Dan was killed, > > however. > > > > This is the only link I have at this time: > > http://www.sharon-herald.com/ > > > > Focus your prayers on the family, as they poured themselves into > > this project, and they will need all the support they can get. > > > > This is the first known fatal in an RV-10, and it's a very sad > > day for us all, especially as it involved an long-time building > > friend. > > > > -- > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: <jcarlton3(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
I, too, never met Dan in person, but his encouragement towards the build, his enthusiasm for aviation, made an impact on me. I wish I could have met up with him as he was traveling to Dana's gig one day some time ago, but my scheduling would not allow it. My loss. I understand he was big into the electronics and toys of aviation that we all wish we knew more about. Condolences to his family and his friends. We are a smaller world today... Jim ---- Pascal wrote: > > It's amazing how a bond can be created with someone, simply from receiving > responses to questions from that person. I am rather saddened and shocked by > this news in a way that I knew this person, even though I never met him. > Godspeed Dan! > > Pascal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> > To: > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 8:04 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family > > > > > > It's time to pray for a family of one of our own. > > Dan Lloyd crashed and was killed in his RV-10 this morning. > > HIS WIFE AND KIDS WERE NOT IN THE PLANE, so breathe your sigh > > of relief on that point right now. They were to go for a flight > > in the next hour. The plane is destroyed and Dan was killed, > > however. > > > > This is the only link I have at this time: > > http://www.sharon-herald.com/ > > > > Focus your prayers on the family, as they poured themselves into > > this project, and they will need all the support they can get. > > > > This is the first known fatal in an RV-10, and it's a very sad > > day for us all, especially as it involved an long-time building > > friend. > > > > -- > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: effectus(at)rogers.com
Subject: Representation at Dan's Funeral
First of all I would like to say that I was fortunate to meet Dan in person last year at Oshkosh and we are all lesser for this loss. Dan was a larger than life ambassador for all of the builders out there who were looking a t alternative engines to power our RV-10s. He was quick with the help and d idn't ask anything in return. Both Lucy and I will miss him.=0A=0AWhat we a s a group need to be looking into shortly is how to support Trisha and the kids through the next few days and the funeral. Who of you out there lives close to Dan's home town and is able to attend the funeral? We need to be able to represent the multitude of us who cannot attend. It will be very im portant to Trisha that she knows that she has an extended family who are gr ieving along side her.=0A=0ACan anyone provide me with Dan's home address s o that I can get a sympathy card in the mail? I would also appreciate the f uneral details so that flowers can be arranged. What do you think about an arrangement from the matronics group?=0A=0ADave and Lucy Hertner=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick ONeill" <poneill(at)irealms.com>
Subject: Dan Lloyd - Greenville, PA
Date: Nov 02, 2007
This is truly the most sad news I have heard since I started my project. It is a tragedy in every way. Dan contributed hugely to this list which has been instrumental to countless RV-10's. It is at least nice to know that a little bit of Dan will live on in many RV-10s where the builders have applied something from his experiences. Mine is certainly in that list. I am sure that when mine is flying, he will be in my thoughts often. I wish his family all the support they need to get through this extremely difficult time as best they may. They will all be in my prayers. Best Regards, Patrick #40715 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv(at)thelefflers.com Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: RV10-List: Dan Lloyd - Greenville, PA Please pray for Dan and his family. Not many details known other than what's in the newspaper report. http://www.sharonherald.com/homepage/local_story_306095719.html ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard Sipp" <rsipp(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Representation at Dan's Funeral
Date: Nov 02, 2007
I am shocked, saddened and join all of you in prayers for Dan and his family. We exchanged a few emails as late as last evening. Dan was an active member of the large Ohio Valley RVators group. They have been in contact with Trish and I am sure Rick Gray will keep us informed. Dan will be missed. Dick Sipp ----- Original Message ----- From: effectus(at)rogers.com To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: RV10-List: Representation at Dan's Funeral First of all I would like to say that I was fortunate to meet Dan in person last year at Oshkosh and we are all lesser for this loss. Dan was a larger than life ambassador for all of the builders out there who were looking at alternative engines to power our RV-10s. He was quick with the help and didn't ask anything in return. Both Lucy and I will miss him. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Representation at Dan's Funeral
Date: Nov 02, 2007
I think an arrangement from the group would be great. Count me in for whatever you need$$$$. I did not get a chance to meet Dan, but feel I know him through his postings to the list. I wish the best for his family. Rene' Felker N423CF 40322 801-721-6080 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of effectus(at)rogers.com Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: Representation at Dan's Funeral First of all I would like to say that I was fortunate to meet Dan in person last year at Oshkosh and we are all lesser for this loss. Dan was a larger than life ambassador for all of the builders out there who were looking at alternative engines to power our RV-10s. He was quick with the help and didn't ask anything in return. Both Lucy and I will miss him. What we as a group need to be looking into shortly is how to support Trisha and the kids through the next few days and the funeral. Who of you out there lives close to Dan's home town and is able to attend the funeral? We need to be able to represent the multitude of us who cannot attend. It will be very important to Trisha that she knows that she has an extended family who are grieving along side her. Can anyone provide me with Dan's home address so that I can get a sympathy card in the mail? I would also appreciate the funeral details so that flowers can be arranged. What do you think about an arrangement from the matronics group? Dave and Lucy Hertner ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pray for Dan's family
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Larry - what a wonderful tribute to Dan's perpetual spirit. I can still remember his big smile, the pride of completion and the times we shared discussing mods to make this kit even better for many. Here are two pictures which capture just a glimpse (for those who missed out). I even found postings that we shared below the radar screen on the use of Solidworks. He was always willing to discuss, to share and to dream together. He could often be found in a "Flying High Sky" blue or "Arrest Me for Dreaming" red t-shirt. <> "Hiding with pride behind the VANS tent" "Lloyd, Daniel R." wrote: I have this scanned at work full size, I also have the engineers upstairs putting together a Solid Works model of it, so we can wrap custom skins on it, then you will be able to see what your paint job will look like. I traded flight hours for their lunch time to create it, I will post it when it is done for all to use. Also we have an artist that will render it for you in a custom setting. If anyone wants the full-size drawing in PDF, I would be happy to send it, you can then take it down to Kinko's and make posters to your hearts desire. Bio: 34, IT Manager for Werner Ladder, PP-SEL, Instrument Student, 150 Hours TT, Cherokee Driver, till 10 is done. Based in Hermitage, PA. It is on the Ohio Border, 1 hour North of PITT. Have 2 Kids, 11 and 6, not adding any more, (they do not make a larger kit plane!) Finishing Emp/Cone, have wings ready to start. I agree with Tim, seems like a lot of geeks are into plane building, maybe we like the many hours of alone time in the garage? What do you need on solid works? We use it here at Werner and have 20 seats. Let me know Dan I also agree with what is here. I am looking at an alternative engine, and am very interested in exploring this avenue. Things that would motivate me are test cell running to prove TBO, and number of Aircraft installed on, I realize to break into the market place you would need Beta testers, I am willing to do that beta testing, but would be have to be at manufactures expense. If I am willing to use my airframe, the least they could do is provide the engine for testing/ proof of concept. Dan 40269 <> "Sharing in the group builder discussions at Camp Condrey - OSH '07" I will continue to cling to the memory of his infectious smile as we talked confidentially of renegade builders, unusual techniques and bold ideas for many product improvements. He was my idea of a REAL Experimental/Amateur Aircraft Builder with passion in his every breath and the desire to make another step to "Living the Dream". John Cox - KUAO (#40600) I am forever making November 1st - Dan Lloyd Day I too am saddened by the loss of Dan. I don't think I ever met him, but like many others I felt I knew him. He was part of our extended family. So, to remember Dan, I went through my archives and read many of his posts. He sure did contribute and help many of us. So as a tribute, below are a collection of his emails. *To start off, here is is last post to the list, from yesterday:* On mine the cups went up about halfway, and the springs really had to be compressed to fit at all. I made the angle spacers, and tried to screw everything together repeatedly before I finally figured out how to get it all to work. The easy way to do it, is to put all three through the face plate and set it on the bench, put springs on the screws, backing plate on, and compress the springs until they just seat in the nut plates. Then this is the hard part, slide the whole assembly to the side of the bench and as one screw is exposed get a screwdriver on it and hold the pressure. Do this for each of the three and it works. The hard part is then getting the angle spacers to line up, but work with it. Dan N289DT RV10E Flying *Did anyone at OSH this year take Dan up on use of his wife's Expedition:* We will have our Expedition, and will be happy to coordinate picking your stuff up and moving it back and forth for you. Dan The RV10 is large, but it does not have a trailer hitch, and the pop-up is too big to fit into the baggage area, so because we will be there the whole week my wife offered to drive up and meet us there. I SHOULD be there with the RV10E and the Expedition. Dan Keep in mind I am a glutinous American, so why only take one, I will be taking both the RV10E and the Expedition, it is my right to burn as much fuel as possible on a trip! Dan Maintenance crew, now you are funny, it is to carry the cotton baby diapers to wipe off all the drool and fingerprints everyone will be putting on it! Dan *Dan sure did love his RV-10 Here's one from transition training, which was his first flight in the 10* Hey guys, I have spent the past day out in Oregon with Mike Seager and flying the factory 10. I now have 3 hours in type and 15 landings. I have two more days to fly with him and try and get my mind wrapped around this fast bird. I know many of you have 4/6/7/8 time, and the 10 is not the same, but all I can say is WOOHOO! Put the throttle in and it instantly leaps in the air, blink and we are passing through 2k ft. We flew North and trued out over 200MPH, did I say this plane is incredible?? 2.5 years and I am in the home stretch, and I can not wait to fly my own, and finally report my first flight. I know it sounds funny, but we chose to build the 10 without ever having been in one, and all of expectations have been met and exceeded. For those of you in the same boat as myself, 150 hrs in SPAM cans, I can not stress the value of transition training and spending the time necessary to get used to these planes. Things are happening so fast that it is difficult at first, but after several hours with Mike I am starting to feel that with a couple hundred more I might make an RV pilot. One thing that I find very funny is that I have heard about P-factor and the need for right rudder, and thought I knew about it, but the first time you put the throttle to 260 HP you quickly realize what you had no clue about!!! Get the transition training so you are ready. While I have been out here I have met a couple of the guys and toured Vans factory, too cool to say the least. But other than flying the 10, the most memorable part of the trip is the hospitality of Ed Hayden, he helped me around town, and took an afternoon to show me his project. What a plane, all the bell's and whistles and then some! I can not wait to reciprocate when he comes to town. It is the builder community that makes this so much fun and Ed is a pillar of the community making us feel welcome! THX Dan Lloyd N289DT RV10E Finally I can say finishing up!!! ...BUT with everything being said about costs, planning and such, lets keep in the perspective that there is not a better feeling than the first time you take off in a plane you built in your garage, it makes everything else a mute point. No matter what you have to do, collect aluminum cans if you have to! Build one and fly it, it is definitely worth the heartache and frustration along the way! Dan N289DT RV10E flying *Dan encoring us on:* Congrats Tom, and we look forward to hearing about your progress. If you want to have your wife talk to Trish feel free to call and they can brainstorm on how each team member can participate. Each of our kids got to sign the inside of every structure they worked on, with name, date and age. Even the younger kids can participate by handing tools, sorting pieces etc. Give us a call, and I would be happy to fly up and give you guys some motivational rides and get everyone excited about the adventure ahead! Dan N289DT RV10E Flying *Here's one for you Deems:* Hang in there Deems, you are getting close! After 10.6 hours and 68 landings logged, I can say this plane is worth it. It will be everything you wanted and more. Now I just need to get home and git'r'done too. I heard you were coming up to the dinner in a couple of weeks, make sure to get Randy and others to give you a ride for motivation. This is when you need it most to get you over the hump! Dan "starting the up hill push to finish" N289DT RV10E *and the last one, Dan asking us to be safe:* You need to be careful on this, allot of people follow this list and read your recommendations on both safety of flight issues, as well as equipage for IFR, but they do not know you do not have a pilots license and do not have any IMC time, to make this type of comment could lead allot of low time pilots to believe that they can get by without training. When I got the transition training from Mike and let him review your comment he stated that even he, as the pilot with the "most RV time around" would not get into a new plane and fly when/if there is transition training available, even he would take several hours and learn the intricacies of the new plane. I can not stress the value of transition training enough, regardless of how much time you have, this is why most insurance agencies will not insure without dual time. We do not want to end up like the Lancair guys and have our insurance so high it is unaffordable. We are building plans valued north of $100k and in the scheme of things transition training is a very low cost item to help ensure a successful first flight. Dan Lloyd N289DT RV10E *Godspeed Dan!* Larry Rosen RV-10 #356 N205EN (reserved) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Representation at Dan's Funeral
Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Airmen Database Search Result ________________________________ Name : LLOYD, DANIEL RAYMOND Airman's Address : 3249 TIMBER LN HERMITAGE, PA, 16148-6033 FAA Region : Eastern Date of Medical : Mar, 2006 Class of Medical : 3 Expiration of Class 3 : Mar, 2009 Airman Certificates : Private Pilot Airplane Single Engine Land Repairman, experimental aircraft builder In care of: Trish Lloyd and Family. Whoever lives close speak up. I will contribute $$ as well. We are one BIG family. John & Tana Cox ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Representation at Dan's Funeral I think an arrangement from the group would be great. Count me in for whatever you need$$$$. I did not get a chance to meet Dan, but feel I know him through his postings to the list. I wish the best for his family. Rene' Felker N423CF 40322 801-721-6080 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of effectus(at)rogers.com Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: Representation at Dan's Funeral First of all I would like to say that I was fortunate to meet Dan in person last year at Oshkosh and we are all lesser for this loss. Dan was a larger than life ambassador for all of the builders out there who were looking at alternative engines to power our RV-10s. He was quick with the help and didn't ask anything in return. Both Lucy and I will miss him. What we as a group need to be looking into shortly is how to support Trisha and the kids through the next few days and the funeral. Who of you out there lives close to Dan's home town and is able to attend the funeral? We need to be able to represent the multitude of us who cannot attend. It will be very important to Trisha that she knows that she has an extended family who are grieving along side her. Can anyone provide me with Dan's home address so that I can get a sympathy card in the mail? I would also appreciate the funeral details so that flowers can be arranged. What do you think about an arrangement from the matronics group? Dave and Lucy Hertner ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mark Ritter <mritter509(at)msn.com>
Subject: Thinking of Dan's Family
Date: Nov 02, 2007
Does anyone know if there is a Community Foundation in Dan's home town that would accept contributions in memory of Dan or even better yet be willing to set up a scholarship fund for his children? MARK RV-10/N410MR
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Date: Nov 02, 2007
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Representation at Dan's Funeral
I would suggest we all make the effort to send at least a card to the family, nothing speaks louder than to receive hundreds of cards of sympathy with something nice to say about a lost one.. Shouldn't be hard to do for Dan. Pascal ----- Original Message ----- From: John W. Cox To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Representation at Dan's Funeral Airmen Database Search Result ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Name : LLOYD, DANIEL RAYMONDAirman's Address : 3249 TIMBER LN HERMITAGE, PA, 16148-6033FAA Region : EasternDate of Medical : Mar, 2006Class of Medical : 3Expiration of Class 3 : Mar, 2009Airman Certificates : Private Pilot Airplane Single Engine Land Repairman, experimental aircraft builder In care of: Trish Lloyd and Family. Whoever lives close speak up. I will contribute $$ as well. We are one BIG family. John & Tana Cox ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 5:04 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Representation at Dan's Funeral I think an arrangement from the group would be great. Count me in for whatever you need$$$$. I did not get a chance to meet Dan, but feel I know him through his postings to the list. I wish the best for his family. Rene' Felker N423CF 40322 801-721-6080 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of effectus(at)rogers.com Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 5:46 PM To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: Representation at Dan's Funeral First of all I would like to say that I was fortunate to meet Dan in person last year at Oshkosh and we are all lesser for this loss. Dan was a larger than life ambassador for all of the builders out there who were looking at alternative engines to power our RV-10s. He was quick with the help and didn't ask anything in return. Both Lucy and I will miss him. What we as a group need to be looking into shortly is how to support Trisha and the kids through the next few days and the funeral. Who of you out there lives close to Dan's home town and is able to attend the funeral? We need to be able to represent the multitude of us who cannot attend. It will be very important to Trisha that she knows that she has an extended family who are grieving along side her. Can anyone provide me with Dan's home address so that I can get a sympathy card in the mail? I would also appreciate the funeral details so that flowers can be arranged. What do you think about an arrangement from the matronics group? Dave and Lucy Hertner http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Pray for Dan's family
Date: Nov 03, 2007
Both my son and I took Dan up on his offer. He was gracious enough to offer us a ride to Michael Sausen's house at OSH. While I met Dan and his family the week before in Greenville as he was finishing his RV-10, we got to know the family better on the hour drive to Michael's. His last email to me on Wednesday was: "I would definitely knock out the fiberglass as you go, I waited to the end and was so fed up with it that I got bummed out and am still avoiding the tail. One thing to make sure of, that I saw during Rick's build and mine is that the Elevator horn fairings do not line up well and require work on the trailing edge, so fix these by cutting them flush on the trailing edge and feathering in and taping the line all the way around. I saw how Rick did it and will do the same on mine. I do not like that transition between the fairing and the elevator, so I am going to hide it " Our prayers are with Dan and his family. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:02 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family *Did anyone at OSH this year take Dan up on use of his wife's Expedition:* We will have our Expedition, and will be happy to coordinate picking your stuff up and moving it back and forth for you. Dan The RV10 is large, but it does not have a trailer hitch, and the pop-up is too big to fit into the baggage area, so because we will be there the whole week my wife offered to drive up and meet us there. I SHOULD be there with the RV10E and the Expedition. Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Glasair III Engine/Fuel Problem
Date: Nov 03, 2007
From: darnpilot(at)aol.com
I'm back. The O/H servo was installed and after finally getting the engine compartment all back together, I ran and then test flew the airplane. All was well, including the :30 minutes flight test. I ran the engine at full power, climb power, cruise power, low power, and except for some slight roughness at low power (I might be a little too sensitive now, but it was my impression) it ran flawlessly. So, I guess it was the servo. I had to leave the plane at OBE. Now I need to arrange some way to pick up the plane, either by rental car & drop off, or an airplane ride. Anybody going my way ? We did get some light brown/beige stuff out of the main tank even after multiple sumps. Looks kind of like rust, but I suspect it is residue from fiberglass & foam as part of the construction process. Are others getting this "stuff"? ?Header sumps fine. Thanks for all the input, it was most helpful. Jeff 904-234-8718 Jacksonville, FL ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Wayne Edgerton" <wayne.e(at)grandecom.net>
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's Family
Date: Sep 03, 2007
Our families thoughts and prayers go out to Dan's family and friends during these very trying times for them. When tragedies like this happens it makes us stop a think how precious life is and the wonderful friends that we have. Dan will be missed. Wayne Edgerton ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
Date: Nov 03, 2007
I will pray. Dave Leikam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family > > It's time to pray for a family of one of our own. > Dan Lloyd crashed and was killed in his RV-10 this morning. > HIS WIFE AND KIDS WERE NOT IN THE PLANE, so breathe your sigh > of relief on that point right now. They were to go for a flight > in the next hour. The plane is destroyed and Dan was killed, > however. > > This is the only link I have at this time: > http://www.sharon-herald.com/ > > Focus your prayers on the family, as they poured themselves into > this project, and they will need all the support they can get. > > This is the first known fatal in an RV-10, and it's a very sad > day for us all, especially as it involved an long-time building > friend. > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2007
From: James Hein <n8vim(at)arrl.net>
Subject: News report about our loss
Here's a local news report about our loss: http://youtube.com/watch?v=D2w4Ckizg2E -Jim 40384 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Nov 03, 2007
We spent evenings together at OSH for the last couple of years and this came as a terrible shock to both of us. I'm totally at a loss for words. Our deepest sympathy and prayers for Dan, Trish and the kids. Bob & Susan Condrey Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143585#143585 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2007
From: "Kent Ogden" <ogdenk(at)upstate.edu>
Subject: Pray for Dan's family
What a horrible event, something I hoped wouldn't happen for a long time. I didn't know Dan, but you could tell he was a great guy from his posts. My thoughts are with the family. Kent Ogden and family -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Pray for Dan's family It's time to pray for a family of one of our own. Dan Lloyd crashed and was killed in his RV-10 this morning. HIS WIFE AND KIDS WERE NOT IN THE PLANE, so breathe your sigh of relief on that point right now. They were to go for a flight in the next hour. The plane is destroyed and Dan was killed, however. This is the only link I have at this time: http://www.sharon-herald.com/ Focus your prayers on the family, as they poured themselves into this project, and they will need all the support they can get. This is the first known fatal in an RV-10, and it's a very sad day for us all, especially as it involved an long-time building friend. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Kent Ogden PhD Associate Professor, Radiology SUNY Upstate Medical University 750 E. Adams Street Syracuse, NY 13210 email: ogdenk(at)upstate.edu voice: (315) 464-5083 fax: (315) 464-5095 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Saylor" <Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com>
Subject: Glasair III Engine/Fuel Problem
Date: Nov 03, 2007
Jeff, you still wanna sell? ;-) Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com _____ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?ncid=A OLAOF00020000000970> ! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Glasair III Engine/Fuel Problem
Date: Nov 03, 2007
From: darnpilot(at)aol.com
LOL...got me. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Dave Saylor <Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.com> Sent: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 3:03 pm Subject: RE: RV10-List: Glasair III Engine/Fuel Problem Jeff, you still wanna sell? ;-) ? Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com ? Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2007
From: Dan Masys <dmasys(at)cox.net>
Subject: Sad video
There is a six minute video of Dan's plane flying and running on the ground on the Eggenfellner website. In the last minute, as he picks up the plane in October to fly it home to Pennsylvania from Florida, the camera operator says "See ya, Dan!" http://www.eggenfellneraircraft.com/RV-10%20Dan%20Lloyd_0001.wmv Dan's -10 and mine made their first flights within a day or two of one another, and he sent me a cheery e-mail message about how funny it was that both of us were Dans who had unpainted RV-10s trying to get our hours flown off in time for OSH. We both got there successfully. So sad, and such a loss for all of us. -Dan Masys N104LD 75 hrs ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 04, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser
Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. I've got a bunch of really nice incentive gifts this year. There's really something for everyone! Please make a Contribution today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Dsyvert(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 04, 2007
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
I only knew Dan through this list and meeting him at OSH this summer. Both on the list and in person, I could tell he was a very unique person. A famo us poem by Robert Frost comes to mind that is called "The Road Less Traveled". The last part of the poem is: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I =94 I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. Everyone who builds these planes goes takes "a road less traveled". Dan too k it to another level. This is a great loss in many respects. I will pray for his family. Dave Syvertson ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 04, 2007
From: James Hein <n8vim(at)arrl.net>
Subject: Anyone have a photo of Dan and his plane they could share?
Does anyone have a photo of Dan, Family, and his plane? My construction log is more like a journal of everything related to the RV-10 and my build. This event has affected me more than I would have imagined, and will probably have an ongoing effect on my build so he's getting an entry in my build journal. (High res photos please; Feel free to send directly to my email address off-list) Thanks in advance -Jim 40384 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 04, 2007
From: Steve Mills <millstees(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone have a photo of Dan and his plane they could share?
go to the news section of Eggenfellneraircraft.com Does anyone have a photo of Dan, Family, and his plane? My construction log is more like a journal of everything related to the RV-10 and my build. This event has affected me more than I would have imagined, and will probably have an ongoing effect on my build so he's getting an entry in my build journal. (High res photos please; Feel free to send directly to my email address off-list) Thanks in advance -Jim 40384 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Nov 04, 2007
I am in the same position as you are with the fuel valve. I am not as educated as some on the valves though, but can an extension be added to the ANDAIR valve Vans sells or does the valve have to be manufactured with it from the beginning. I assume it can be modified after manufacture but want to make sure before I buy the Vans valve and start looking for an extension. Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143813#143813 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 04, 2007
From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux
According to information on the Andair website, extensions can be added to the newer "Type B" valves. I bought a valve from Vans and confirmed that it is a Type B (there is a detailed diagram and explanation on the Andair site). It is exactly the same valve I would have configured if I ordered directly from Andair I've tried to locate an extension but cannot find one. So tomorrow I'm going to order 1 direct from Andair. I'll end up saving $100 minus shipping the extension over buying the valve and extension from Andair. Eric_Kallio wrote: > > I am in the same position as you are with the fuel valve. I am not as educated as some on the valves though, but can an extension be added to the ANDAIR valve Vans sells or does the valve have to be manufactured with it from the beginning. I assume it can be modified after manufacture but want to make sure before I buy the Vans valve and start looking for an extension. > > Eric Kallio > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143813#143813 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jay Rowe" <jfrjr(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux
Date: Nov 04, 2007
I got an extension from Andy for $10.00. Ordered it at OSH when he was there and he mailed it to me in a week or two. The ten spot included the shipping. Jay Rowe #40301 (baffling) ----- Original Message ----- From: "MauleDriver" <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> To: Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux > > According to information on the Andair website, extensions can be added > to the newer "Type B" valves. I bought a valve from Vans and confirmed > that it is a Type B (there is a detailed diagram and explanation on the > Andair site). It is exactly the same valve I would have configured if I > ordered directly from Andair > > I've tried to locate an extension but cannot find one. So tomorrow I'm > going to order 1 direct from Andair. > > I'll end up saving $100 minus shipping the extension over buying the > valve and extension from Andair. > > Eric_Kallio wrote: >> >> I am in the same position as you are with the fuel valve. I am not as educated as some on the valves though, but can an extension be added to the ANDAIR valve Vans sells or does the valve have to be manufactured with it from the beginning. I assume it can be modified after manufacture but want to make sure before I buy the Vans valve and start looking for an extension. >> >> Eric Kallio >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143813#143813 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -- 11/4/2007 11:05 AM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: cowl fitting tips.
Date: Nov 04, 2007
For those who have not fitted the cowl, some advice. The cowl fit is shown in a chapter prior to the firewall forward and baffling. It is not possible to properly fit the cowl without the engine, prop, and spinner in place. The prop and spinner can be there temporarily. The baffling should be in place or there will be difficulty in cutting the baffling (less the silicone) down to size Note that the forward lower ramps have to be cut back substantially so that the lower cowl will fit. We found that the ramps must be cut back to just aft of the starter ring gear.Why Van's did not provide a more accurate set of metal for the standard IO540 is a wonder. Also do not rivet the corner support triangles before fitting the cowl. Riveting the corner triangles fixes the angle of the lower air ramp which must be in a particular orientation for the cowl/silicone/baffling to work. .Also the cowl should be mounted so that the spinner is approximately 1/4 inch above the cowl ring so that after 100 hours , when the motor mount rubber sags the two will be in alignment ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: engine hoist (shop crane)
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Nov 04, 2007
I am approaching the time where I will need to lift some heavy items. One being a milldrill and in a couple months my engine. Harbor Freight and Aircraft Supply have several to select from. What are/have others used? Any thoughts would be appreciated. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143878#143878 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 04, 2007
Subject: Vans RV-10 Parking Brake kit
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
Is builder David Ward on this list? I see Vans has added a parking brake kit to the accessories catalog. According to the description, the kit was developed by him. Can someone tell me what is in this kit that they are charging $179? The text says "Everything is included except for the valve (BRAKE PARKING PV-1), and a CT A-740 type cable to operate the valve." http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?&browse=airframe&product=parking_brake-kit This is my setup. http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/08fuselage/fuselage38o.html Total cost WITHOUT the PV-1 ($107.95) and T handle cable from Spruce for $17.90, about $8. 1 - F-1048; included 2 - K1000-3 = 1.36 2 - AN3-11A = $0.36 4 - AN816-4D = $5.44 The total for my setup is $134, including the PV-1 and T handle cable. William http://nerv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Nov 04, 2007
Subject: engine hoist (shop crane)
Harbor Freight has a 1 ton, folding shop crane on sale right now for $99 (normally $170). Looks to be as sold as any other. Just picked one up today myself. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: engine hoist (shop crane) I am approaching the time where I will need to lift some heavy items. One being a milldrill and in a couple months my engine. Harbor Freight and Aircraft Supply have several to select from. What are/have others used? Any thoughts would be appreciated. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143878#143878 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vernon Smith <planesmith(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: cowl fitting tips.
Date: Nov 04, 2007
Glad you brought this up. I've been working on the cabin top/doors and was wondering if there is any way to fit the cowl without a prop? Mounting the engine and baffling is not a problem but I would like to hold off on orderi ng the prop. Any ideas? Vern Smith (#324 cabin top & doors) From: dlm46007(at)cox.netTo: rv10-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: cowl f itting tips.Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:06:34 -0800 For those who have not fitted the cowl, some advice. The cowl fit is shown in a chapter prior to the firewall forward and baffling. It is not possible to properly fit the cowl without the engine, prop, and spinner in place. T he prop and spinner can be there temporarily. The baffling should be in pla ce or there will be difficulty in cutting the baffling (less the silicone) down to size Note that the forward lower ramps have to be cut back substan tially so that the lower cowl will fit. We found that the ramps must be cut back to just aft of the starter ring gear.Why Van's did not provide a more accurate set of metal for the standard IO540 is a wonder. Also do not rive t the corner support triangles before fitting the cowl. Riveting the corner triangles fixes the angle of the lower air ramp which must be in a particu lar orientation for the cowl/silicone/baffling to work. .Also the cowl shou ld be mounted so that the spinner is approximately 1/4 inch above the cowl ring so that after 100 hours , when the motor mount rubber sags the two wil l be in alignment _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Oc tWLtagline ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: cowl fitting tips.
Date: Nov 04, 2007
Although I agree that the engine, prop and spinner back plate need to be in place to fit the cowl, I don=92t think the baffles matter much. You can easily trim those to fit after the cowl is finished by putting the top cowl on, reaching in through the oil door and marking the parts that touch until the top cowl fits fully, then you can trim a little more so there is a small gap so metal won=92t touch fiberglass, then put on the baffle seal. That could just add another level of complexity to fitting the cowl if the baffles are already on. We have seen less than 1/8=94 sag (probably not even measurable) in the engine mount rubbers after 340 hours in N256H, so I wouldn=92t go for a whole =BC=94. I would say 1/16th to 1/8th max, if any. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007(at)cox.net] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. For those who have not fitted the cowl, some advice. The cowl fit is shown in a chapter prior to the firewall forward and baffling. It is not possible to properly fit the cowl without the engine, prop, and spinner in place. The prop and spinner can be there temporarily. The baffling should be in place or there will be difficulty in cutting the baffling (less the silicone) down to size Note that the forward lower ramps have to be cut back substantially so that the lower cowl will fit. We found that the ramps must be cut back to just aft of the starter ring gear.Why Van's did not provide a more accurate set of metal for the standard IO540 is a wonder. Also do not rivet the corner support triangles before fitting the cowl. Riveting the corner triangles fixes the angle of the lower air ramp which must be in a particular orientation for the cowl/silicone/baffling to work. .Also the cowl should be mounted so that the spinner is approximately 1/4 inch above the cowl ring so that after 100 hours , when the motor mount rubber sags the two will be in alignment ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: Vans RV-10 Parking Brake kit
Date: Nov 04, 2007
do not know what is included but the only things required are the matco parking brake valve (PV1) and the cable and a couple of adel clamps. Of course you have to fabricate a bracket from some scrap aluminum. $180 without the cable and valve is BAB (beyond all belief) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: RV10-List: Vans RV-10 Parking Brake kit Is builder David Ward on this list? I see Vans has added a parking brake kit to the accessories catalog. According to the description, the kit was developed by him. Can someone tell me what is in this kit that they are charging $179? The text says "Everything is included except for the valve (BRAKE PARKING PV-1), and a CT A-740 type cable to operate the valve." http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?&browse=airframe&product=par king_brake-kit This is my setup. http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/08fuselage/fuselage38o.html Total cost WITHOUT the PV-1 ($107.95) and T handle cable from Spruce for $17.90, about $8. 1 - F-1048; included 2 - K1000-3 = 1.36 2 - AN3-11A = $0.36 4 - AN816-4D = $5.44 The total for my setup is $134, including the PV-1 and T handle cable. William http://nerv10.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: engine hoist (shop crane)
Date: Nov 04, 2007
I have used the HF for about 7 years. I paid about $200. Hung the engines on both the Glastar and the 10. It weighs about 175 pounds and I have loaded it by my self (although help welcomed) into the back of my pickup for transport between the hangar and the house http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=7620 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: engine hoist (shop crane) I am approaching the time where I will need to lift some heavy items. One being a milldrill and in a couple months my engine. Harbor Freight and Aircraft Supply have several to select from. What are/have others used? Any thoughts would be appreciated. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143878#143878 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: cowl fitting tips.
Date: Nov 04, 2007
Contact a prop shop and see if you can get a junk prop hub that you can use or have. You can fit the back plate to that and go from there. Just give them the C2YR number and they will know what hub you need. Don=92t forget the long lead time on the prop, 2-3 months. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 _____ From: Vernon Smith [mailto:planesmith(at)hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:07 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. Glad you brought this up. I've been working on the cabin top/doors and was wondering if there is any way to fit the cowl without a prop? Mounting the engine and baffling is not a problem but I would like to hold off on ordering the prop. Any ideas? Vern Smith (#324 cabin top & doors) _____ From: dlm46007(at)cox.net Subject: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:06:34 -0800 For those who have not fitted the cowl, some advice. The cowl fit is shown in a chapter prior to the firewall forward and baffling. It is not possible to properly fit the cowl without the engine, prop, and spinner in place. The prop and spinner can be there temporarily. The baffling should be in place or there will be difficulty in cutting the baffling (less the silicone) down to size Note that the forward lower ramps have to be cut back substantially so that the lower cowl will fit. We found that the ramps must be cut back to just aft of the starter ring gear.Why Van's did not provide a more accurate set of metal for the standard IO540 is a wonder. Also do not rivet the corner support triangles before fitting the cowl. Riveting the corner triangles fixes the angle of the lower air ramp which must be in a particular orientation for the cowl/silicone/baffling to work. .Also the cowl should be mounted so that the spinner is approximately 1/4 inch above the cowl ring so that after 100 hours , when the motor mount rubber sags the two will be in alignment blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List p://forums.matronics.com _____ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. Stop by today! <http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM _OctW Ltagline> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85(at)cableone.net>
Subject: cowl fitting tips.
Date: Nov 04, 2007
2 thoughts ' I installed the baffling after the cowl since you can=92t really get a good fit without knowing where the cowl will be. As for the prop ' my spinner lined up nicely with the backplate without any trimming so you might be able to get away with just attaching the backplate and fit the cowling from that. If possible though, I=92d recommend getting the prop and spinner on to make sure. Marcus _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:07 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. Glad you brought this up. I've been working on the cabin top/doors and was wondering if there is any way to fit the cowl without a prop? Mounting the engine and baffling is not a problem but I would like to hold off on ordering the prop. Any ideas? Vern Smith (#324 cabin top & doors) _____ From: dlm46007(at)cox.net Subject: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:06:34 -0800 For those who have not fitted the cowl, some advice. The cowl fit is shown in a chapter prior to the firewall forward and baffling. It is not possible to properly fit the cowl without the engine, prop, and spinner in place. The prop and spinner can be there temporarily. The baffling should be in place or there will be difficulty in cutting the baffling (less the silicone) down to size Note that the forward lower ramps have to be cut back substantially so that the lower cowl will fit. We found that the ramps must be cut back to just aft of the starter ring gear.Why Van's did not provide a more accurate set of metal for the standard IO540 is a wonder. Also do not rivet the corner support triangles before fitting the cowl. Riveting the corner triangles fixes the angle of the lower air ramp which must be in a particular orientation for the cowl/silicone/baffling to work. .Also the cowl should be mounted so that the spinner is approximately 1/4 inch above the cowl ring so that after 100 hours , when the motor mount rubber sags the two will be in alignment blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List p://forums.matronics.com _____ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf=E9. Stop by today! <http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM _OctW Ltagline> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 05, 2007
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: engine hoist (shop crane)
Pep Boys and Checker Auto seem to regularly have them on sale. I think I paid $120 for mine, and it does fold up or break down for transport. It didn't come with a load leveling bar, which would be nice. On Nov 4, 2007 9:36 PM, David McNeill wrote: > > I have used the HF for about 7 years. I paid about $200. Hung the engines on > both the Glastar and the 10. It weighs about 175 pounds and I have loaded it > by my self (although help welcomed) into the back of my pickup for transport > between the hangar and the house > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=7620 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman > > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:31 PM > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: engine hoist (shop crane) > > > I am approaching the time where I will need to lift some heavy items. One > being a milldrill and in a couple months my engine. > Harbor Freight and Aircraft Supply have several to select from. What > are/have others used? > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > Fuselage SB > (N410GB reserved) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143878#143878 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan
Date: Nov 05, 2007
Forwarding to the RV-10 list From: OhioValleyRVators(at)yahoogroups.com [mailto:OhioValleyRVators(at)yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan Hi Gang, I just got off the phone with Trish. I have all the info regarding the arrangements....except for one address that she won't have available till tomorrow. That said....I'll post all the details tomorrow afternoon sometime so it'll all be in one post. I also spoke to the Greenville Airport Manager tonight. They will look forward to working with us in regard to a Fly-In in Dan's Memory next year. I'd like to mention is that Trish was VERY appreciative of our suggestions and offers. Also, during our conversation I told Trish about the many Prayers on her behalf.....all I can say is that your Prayers mean a LOT to her....and she extends her heartfelt Thanks. I told Trish that there were a few pics of Dan on the various sites and she asked me to send them to her as soon as possible. I plan on sending the one Rob just posted along with a few others I've seen. If you have a pic of Dan please send it to my home email at: rickgray(at)roadrunner.com Dan was very proud to be a member of this group and wore his white hat OFTEN. THANK YOU ALL......VERY MUCH. Rick at the Buffalo Farm __._,_.___ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 05, 2007
From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux
That would be nice! It looks like it's going to cost me $100 list after applying the current exchange rate. BTW, Neal said he didn't have anything any longer. Aircraft Spruce special orders them (with the valve only). Jay Rowe wrote: > I got an extension from Andy for $10.00. Ordered it at OSH when he > was there and he mailed it to me in a week or two. The ten spot > included the shipping. Jay Rowe #40301 (baffling) > ----- Original Message ----- From: "MauleDriver" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:33 PM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux > > > > > > According to information on the Andair website, extensions can be > added > > to the newer "Type B" valves. I bought a valve from Vans and > confirmed > > that it is a Type B (there is a detailed diagram and explanation on > the > > Andair site). It is exactly the same valve I would have configured > if I > > ordered directly from Andair > > > > I've tried to locate an extension but cannot find one. So tomorrow > I'm > > going to order 1 direct from Andair. > > > > I'll end up saving $100 minus shipping the extension over buying the > > valve and extension from Andair. > > > > Eric_Kallio wrote: > >> > >> I am in the same position as you are with the fuel valve. I am not > as educated as some on the valves though, but can an extension be > added to the ANDAIR valve Vans sells or does the valve have to be > manufactured with it from the beginning. I assume it can be modified > after manufacture but want to make sure before I buy the Vans valve > and start looking for an extension. > >> > >> Eric Kallio > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Read this topic online here: > >> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143813#143813 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- 11/4/2007 11:05 AM > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Nov 05, 2007
I ordered the valve from Vans and went ahead and just ordered the extension from Andair last night. That cost a pretty penny, but I wasn't able to find anyone that sold just the extension here in the states. Now all I need is a floscan and I can plumb my fuel system which is about all that is left before canopy. Eric Kallio 40518 floors then fuel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143939#143939 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 05, 2007
From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux
Re the Floscan - I've been told that they are setup for specific EISs. That is, you get a Flo-scan setup for GRT or for ? or ?. Stein confirmed this and sold one to me for the GRT. If all that is true, you have to make a EIS choice before committing to the Flo-scan. Seems like we're at the same place. Eric_Kallio wrote: > > I ordered the valve from Vans and went ahead and just ordered the extension from Andair last night. That cost a pretty penny, but I wasn't able to find anyone that sold just the extension here in the states. Now all I need is a floscan and I can plumb my fuel system which is about all that is left before canopy. > > Eric Kallio > 40518 floors then fuel > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143939#143939 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: engine hoist (shop crane)
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Nov 05, 2007
Thanks all. Looks like I need to check Pep Boys, Sams, and Harbor Freight. It sounds like a load leveling option may be something to look for as I shop more. One item it will need to do is to put my milldrill that I plan on purchasing in the next 2 weeks onto its stand. It has a 650 lb shipping weight so a one ton capacity should cover everything I intend to use it for. Arm length and height at max elevation will be something else I will look into when comparine. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143954#143954 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Nov 05, 2007
MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com wrote: > Re the Floscan - I've been told that they are setup for specific EISs. > That is, you get a Flo-scan setup for GRT or for ? or ?. Stein > confirmed this and sold one to me for the GRT. If all that is true, you > have to make a EIS choice before committing to the Flo-scan. > > Seems like we're at the same place. > I am going AFS and it is included in their probes and sensors kit. So I would agree that you need to figure out which EIS you are going with because it may already be included. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143956#143956 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Nov 05, 2007
Subject: engine hoist (shop crane)
I believe this is the one I picked up yesterday for $99. Not 100% positive as it's at my shop but looks right and matches the specs. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93840 Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: engine hoist (shop crane) I have used the HF for about 7 years. I paid about $200. Hung the engines on both the Glastar and the 10. It weighs about 175 pounds and I have loaded it by my self (although help welcomed) into the back of my pickup for transport between the hangar and the house http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=7620 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: engine hoist (shop crane) I am approaching the time where I will need to lift some heavy items. One being a milldrill and in a couple months my engine. Harbor Freight and Aircraft Supply have several to select from. What are/have others used? Any thoughts would be appreciated. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143878#143878 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Nov 05, 2007
Another comment, there are 2 different bolt/nut plate patterns on the mounting bracket. I was lucky in that the AFS flowscan takes the alternate mounting pattern and I had just received it when I was at that point in Section 28. So if you don't know which you will be using, you might want to leave the bracket off and then rivet it on when you know what you are going to do for sure. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143979#143979 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Cram" <johncram(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux
Date: Nov 05, 2007
Back to the Andair valve. I ordered the pricey extension kit from them 2 months ago and have never received it. we are in the email back and forth stage now. I asked them to track it for me with no luck so far. just sent off a new request this am. will keep list informed of the drama as it unfolds. John Cram 40569- Nick is going to final mount the top this week. (I am out of town working) ----- Original Message ----- From: orchidman<mailto:gary(at)wingscc.com> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux > Another comment, there are 2 different bolt/nut plate patterns on the mounting bracket. I was lucky in that the AFS flowscan takes the alternate mounting pattern and I had just received it when I was at that point in Section 28. So if you don't know which you will be using, you might want to leave the bracket off and then rivet it on when you know what you are going to do for sure. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143979#143979 matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=143979#143979> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List igator?RV10-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 05, 2007
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Pray for Dan's family
cc'd from our Ohio Valley RVators site: I spoke with Trish again last night, her words...."I'm taking it one hour at a time." She asked me to extend her warmest thanks and appreciation for all the Prayers. Here are the details as I know them: 1 - Obituary will come out in today's Sharon Herald but will NOT be available on line until tomorrow (Tuesday 6 Nov). I'll post it as soon as I have it. 2 - There will be a Visitation on Wednesday (7 Nov) from 5pm-7pm followed by a 7pm Service held at: McGonigle J. Bradley Funeral Home 1090 E. State Street Sharon, Pa. 16146 There will be no Funeral. 3 - After speaking with the florist(s) we decided against a tree (for now). The thought being that a)there wouldn't be any leaves on the tree and b)an evergreen of some sort would be very heavy and would more then likely create a lot of work for Trish. So, we went with a VERY NICE 'Permanent Seasonal Arrangement' that Trish can take home. Again, I understand that this arrangement will be extremely nice and very well received. 4 - Trish has set up a 'Daniel Lloyd Memorial Scholarship Fund' for their children Cameron and Becca. I've received many calls and emails from folks that want to donate. If you wish to donate feel free to send a check. Nothing is too small or too large. I'll put the money together and will hand deliver it to Trish in a few weeks. Perhaps some of you could accompany me when I do this? Send to: Rick Gray 200 Baker Trail Vincent, Ohio 45784 I've already received some donations....On behalf of Trish and the kids....'Thank You'. 5 - Dan wore his Ohio Valley RVators hat just about everywhere he went. I got a new hat for him (Thanks Glen 'Dogg' Miller) and will bring it the Gag Awards/Birthday Party UFO this coming weekend at PHD. I'd like to get as many folks as I can to sign the hat for Dan. I'll give it to Trish along with the donations to the Scholarship Fund. I'll try to do the same with one of the pictures. 6 - Thank You for all the pictures. I've received a bunch of really nice ones! I've done a little editing and have sent them to Trish. She'll select the ones she wants and will display them at the 'Visitation' on Wednesday. 7 - Cards and Letters can be sent to Trish at: Daniel (Dan) R. Lloyd 3249 Timber Lane Hermitage, Pa 16148 8 - I talked with Rod Paul from the Greenville airport again today. We have their full support and will make arrangements with them and Trish for the Fly-In in Dan's Memory in 2008 . We WILL do a Missing Man Formation in Dan's Honor at that time. My thoughts are that we could also present Trish with the tree at that time as well. Perhaps we could even plant it for her the same weekend. 9 - Also, I'm putting all the (appropriate) posts from our Ohio Valley RVators yahoo site and Doug Reeves VAF site together in a document and will print it out for Trish. There are way too many nice comments and posts to let it slip by. I'm sure her and the kids will appreciate having this for years to come. I plan on driving up to see Trish at the Visitation on Wednesday. I'll be leaving around 1pm and traveling up Rt77. If anyone wants to join me I can pick you up on the way by. Thanks for all your support. Rick at the Buffalo Farm __________________ Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/ Reply With Quote ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: [Fwd: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan Lloyd Arrangements]
Date: Nov 05, 2007
forwarding to rv-10 list > > From: "Rick" <rickgray(at)roadrunner.com> > Date: 2007/11/05 Mon PM 12:40:37 EST > To: OhioValleyRVators(at)yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan Lloyd Arrangements > > I spoke with Trish again last night, her words...."I'm taking it one > hour at a time." She asked me to extend her warmest thanks and > appreciation for all the Prayers. > > Here are the details as I know them: > > 1 - Obituary will come out in today's Sharon Herald but will NOT be > available on line until tomorrow (Tuesday 6 Nov). I'll post it as > soon as I have it. > > 2 - There will be a Visitation on Wednesday (7 Nov) from 5pm-7pm > followed by a 7pm Service held at: > > McGonigle J. Bradley Funeral Home > 1090 E. State Street > Sharon, Pa. 16146 > > There will be no Funeral. > > 3 - After speaking with the florist(s) we decided against a tree > (for now). The thought being that a)there wouldn't be any leaves on > the tree and b)an evergreen of some sort would be very heavy and > would more then likely create a lot of work for Trish. So, we went > with a VERY NICE 'Permanent Seasonal Arrangement' that Trish can > take home. Again, I understand that this arrangement will be > extremely nice and very well received. > > 4 - Trish has set up a 'Daniel Lloyd Memorial Scholarship Fund' for > their children Cameron and Becca. I've received many calls and > emails from folks that want to donate. If you wish to donate feel > free to send a check. Nothing is too small or too large. I'll put > the money together and will hand deliver it to Trish in a few weeks. > Perhaps some of you could accompany me when I do this? > > Send to: > > Rick Gray > 200 Baker Trail > Vincent, Ohio 45784 > > I've already received some donations....On behalf of Trish and the > kids....'Thank You'. > > 5 - Dan wore his Ohio Valley RVators hat just about everywhere he > went. I got a new hat for him (Thanks Glen 'Dogg' Miller) and will > bring it the Gag Awards/Birthday Party UFO this coming weekend at > PHD. I'd like to get as many folks as I can to sign the hat for Dan. > I'll give it to Trish along with the donations to the Scholarship > Fund. I'll try to do the same with one of the pictures. > > 6 - Thank You for all the pictures. I've received a bunch of really > nice ones! I've done a little editing and have sent them to Trish. > She'll select the ones she wants and will display them at > the 'Visitation' on Wednesday. > > 7 - Cards and Letters can be sent to Trish at: > > Daniel (Dan) R. Lloyd > 3249 Timber Lane > Hermitage, Pa 16148 > > 8 - I talked with Rod Paul from the Greenville airport again today. > We have their full support and will make arrangements with them and > Trish for the Fly-In in Dan's Memory in 2008 . We WILL do a Missing > Man Formation in Dan's Honor at that time. My thoughts are that we > could also present Trish with the tree at that time as well. Perhaps > we could even plant it for her the same weekend. > > 9 - Also, I'm putting all the (appropriate) posts from our Ohio > Valley RVators yahoo site and Doug Reeves VAF site together in a > document and will print it out for Trish. There are way too many > nice comments and posts to let it slip by. I'm sure her and the kids > will appreciate having this for years to come. > > I plan on driving up to see Trish at the Visitation on Wednesday. > I'll be leaving around 1pm and traveling up Rt77. If anyone wants to > join me I can pick you up on the way by. > > Thanks for all your support. > > Rick at the Buffalo Farm > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Andair Fuel Valve - Redux
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Nov 05, 2007
I am going withe the new GRT HX and have been on their website looking at their floscan (fuel flow package). Just haven't placed the order yet though. I figured that I had time since Andair typically takes a good while to ship. Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144021#144021 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Dan Lloyd's Obituary
Date: Nov 05, 2007
http://www.sharon-herald.com/fullobits/local_story_309141206.html Published November 05, 2007 02:12 pm - A memorial service will be Wednesday (11-7-07) for Daniel R. Lloyd II, 3249 Timber Lane, Hermitage. He passed away at 8:30 a.m. Friday (11-02-07) in Greene Township, Mercer County, of injuries sustained in an airplane crash. He was 37. Daniel R. Lloyd II Pilot was Werner director of information technology A memorial service will be Wednesday (11-7-07) for Daniel R. Lloyd II, 3249 Timber Lane, Hermitage. He passed away at 8:30 a.m. Friday (11-02-07) in Greene Township, Mercer County, of injuries sustained in an airplane crash. He was 37. Dan was born Monday, Aug. 28, 1970, in Rota, Spain, the son of Daniel R. Lloyd and Rita Lynn Bishop. He graduated from Rampart High School in Colorado Springs, Colo., and later earned his bachelors and masters degrees in computer science from the University of Phoenix. He was the director of the IT (information technology) department at Werner Co., Sugar Grove Township. He constantly searched for more information and enjoyed reading, usually more than one book at any given time. A pilot, he had spent over three years building his own RV-10 aircraft, an all-aluminum, low-wing monoplane of Monocoque construction. He was a member of the Ohio Valley RVators Club composed of other RV aircraft enthusiasts. He was a veteran of the Navy, having served for eight years and receiving an honorable discharge. Daniel was a loving husband and father and friend who cherished his family and time spent with them. He will be sadly missed by all those he touched. His wife, the former Tricia S. Mangold, whom he married Feb. 21, 1989, survives at the residence. He also leaves his daughter, Rebecca E. Lloyd, 13; and his son, Cameron R. Lloyd, 8, both at home; his father, Daniel R. Lloyd, Sarasota, Fla.; his father- and mother-in-law, Dennis C. and Carol A. Mangold, Orlando, Fla.; and his two close friends, Bobby and Julia Garrett, Dighton, Mass. His mother preceded him in death. The family suggests that in lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to the Daniel Lloyd Memorial Scholarship Fund, c/o Shenango Valley Foundation, 33 Chestnut St., Sharon 16146, designated for his childrens education. LLOYD Daniel R. II, 37, of 3249 Timber Lane, Hermitage. Calling hours: 5 p.m. to time of service Wednesday (11-7-07) in J. BRADLEY McGONIGLE FUNERAL HOME and CREMATORY Inc., 1090 E. State St., Sharon. Friends may e-mail condolences to McGonigle FuneralHome(at)verizon.net Service: Memorial service at 7 p.m. Wednesday in the funeral home chapel with the Rev. Lawrence Haynes, pastor of Grace Chapel Community Church, Sharon, officiating. Cremation: Cremation services by J. Bradley McGonigle Funeral Home and Crematory Inc. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net>
Subject: drilling F1001N-R and L
Date: Nov 05, 2007
Since the pin in these hinges is undersized to allow for the bending of the hinge, there is fore and aft play in the hinge. When drilling the aft end of the top cowl, is the hinge drilled when played forward or aft? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: drilling F1001N-R and L
Date: Nov 06, 2007
You drill it with the full size pin in otherwise you will not get the other pin in or dificult to get it in. regards Chris 388 ----- Original Message ----- From: David McNeill To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: RV10-List: drilling F1001N-R and L Since the pin in these hinges is undersized to allow for the bending of the hinge, there is fore and aft play in the hinge. When drilling the aft end of the top cowl, is the hinge drilled when played forward or aft? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 06, 2007
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: cowl fitting tips.
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From: Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net>
Subject: cowl fitting tips.
Date: Nov 06, 2007
Just FYI, we used the Van's recommended spacer to set the cowl on my buddy's RV-7 as we did not have the prop.... When we went to install the prop, the prop backplate had over 1/8'' hard interference with the cowl. We had to take almost 1/4'' off the back of the cowl. Sounds easy, but the cowl tapers forward and the pins became infinitely harder to install and the stress on the side hinges went up dramatically. Not to mention the fit was not nearly as nice as it was. My recommendation would be to have the prop and spinner, or the exact hub and spinner when setting the cowl.... -Mike -----Original Message----- From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: 11/05/07 9:48 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. I know this isn't a 10 but I'm not sure why the prop or hub is is really necessary. I had a bulletin from Vans and they gave me the dimensions for a spacer which was 2.25 inches as I remember it. I took three round pieces of 3/4 plywood plus several nickels for spacers in spacers ;-) to make it exactly 2.25 and put the spinner plate on. I have already fit the cowl and sure hope I haven't messed up. See pix. The cowl fits better than the pictures show due to the angles and the prop ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Tim Olson
Date: Nov 06, 2007
Hey Tim, Your email link on your webpage isn't working for me. I promise I don't eat spam and I don't think I hang out in the trash. Can you send me a note offline with your phone number where I can reach you. JOhn Gonzalez ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 06, 2007
From: Kyrilian Dyer <kyrilian_av(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: Fuel Boost Pump for IO-540
I thought this may be of interest to RV-10 builders installing an IO-540. I have a new/unused Dukes 12-14V fuel boost pump for the Lycoming IO-540. (P/N 5456-00-1) http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=5456-00-1 This is a new, unopened (still sealed in the box) single speed pump I got with my kit. Aerocraft Parts is selling the pump for $825. I'm asking $600 +s/h. I'm building a Lancair Legacy and was initially intending to install a Lycoming IO-540-V4A5. However, I've since decided to install the Continental IO-550N more typically installed in the Legacy, which requires a two-speed pump. I'm not sure what's typically used on the RV-10, but this single speed boost pump is intended for the 260hp IO-540 available for the Legacy. Let me know if you're interested. Regards, - Kyrilian __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris and Susie McGough" <VHMUM(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Stuffed hole help
Date: Nov 07, 2007
Guys while finishing the bafling I cross threaded one of the holes in the front cylinder that the bafling is held on with . Its the front Right hole that the front dam is held on with. This is loking from front of engine. I got the corect tap and now the screw does go in but seems very loose until it in all the way in. Any ideas to tighten it up? I was thinking Loctite but the temperature range is to low? regards Chris 388 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 06, 2007
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: Stuffed hole help
I'm not sure if they'll have the size you need or not, but perhaps a heli-coil insert or something like that would work. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Chris and Susie McGough wrote: > Guys while finishing the bafling I cross threaded one of the holes in > the front cylinder that the bafling is held on with . Its the front > Right hole that the front dam is held on with. This is loking from front > of engine. > I got the corect tap and now the screw does go in but seems very > loose until it in all the way in. Any ideas to tighten it up? I was > thinking Loctite but the temperature range is to low? > > regards Chris 388 > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Vernon Smith <planesmith(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: cowl fitting tips.
Date: Nov 06, 2007
Stopped by and talked to Gus at Van's today about mounting the cowl without a prop. He referred me to the bulletin that Bill mentioned http://www.vans aircraft.com/pdf/Prop_Cowl.pdf and said it will work on any RV including th e RV10. When asked about the constant speed prop versus fix he said the cow l is in the same position for both props this allow people to switch to eit her prop without having to change the cowl (obviously not an option or issu e on the 10.) So are the 2.25" spacer correct for a RV10? That is the question. Can someone who has a Hartzell prop and spinner mounted, accurately measure between the back side of the S 602-1 spinner back plate and the front face of the flywheel? Preferably without the doubler thickness being included. Armed with this information it should be possible to mount the cowl without a prop. However, using a non-airworthy hub would be a good option as well. All bets are off if using other than a Hartzell prop. As a note: the RV10 spinner back plate does look just like the RV 7's. It h as the six hole in the center that line up with the prop bolts hole. In th e plans this center section is cut out by the builder to fit around the con stant speed hub before assembly. Thanks for all the input, Vern (#324) > From: billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com> Subject : RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:33:50 -0600> global.net>> > Bummer, that's not a pretty thing to look forward to now. Ju st wondering> what caused that since it would look like 2.25 from the flywh eel would be> the right spacing based on the plans as well as the instructi ons. Probably> should have waited but it's a little late now ;-( . I wonder if Vans might> not have understood that I was going CS and sent the instru ctions for a FP.> I really never thought about the hub spacing being differ ent. Dumb!> > Based on your comments though, I probably should have at leas t gone out to a> friends plane and verified the spacing instead of just goi ng by the> instructions and assuming...... > > Thanks for the wake up> Bill S _________________________________________________________________ ! ilnews ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: High Oil Temp
Date: Nov 06, 2007
Still working on getting oil temp down but a friend told me that the screen on the SCAT tube at the back baffle heading down to the oil cooler might impede the airflow a bit so I cut it out to see. Gives me about 8 or so degrees I think. Now I'm going to look at that area a bit more. For what it's worth went up this morning to see what removing the screen would do and collected these numbers in cruise: OAT 72, 3500', MAP 23", RPM 2300, oil 231F, GPH 16.8, 155kt. I better get those wheel pants on too see what the top speed will be. Climb out from Yuma (180' MSL) was 2200 FPM. Wow! Hit pattern altitude at the end of the runway. Keep building. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: cowl fitting tips.
Date: Nov 06, 2007
Wow, I have to tell you that sure makes me feel better now because I was not looking forward to refitting the cowl. Vern, thanks for getting the full scoop and passing it on. Bill S 7a Ark _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vernon Smith Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. Stopped by and talked to Gus at Van's today about mounting the cowl without a prop. He referred me to the bulletin that Bill mentioned http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Prop_Cowl.pdf and said it will work on any RV including the RV10. When asked about the constant speed prop versus fix he said the cowl is in the same position for both props this allow people to switch to either prop without having to change the cowl (obviously not an option or issue on the 10.) So are the 2.25" spacer correct for a RV10? That is the question. Can someone who has a Hartzell prop and spinner mounted, accurately measure between the back side of the S 602-1 spinner back plate and the front face of the flywheel? Preferably without the doubler thickness being included. Armed with this information it should be possible to mount the cowl without a prop. However, using a non-airworthy hub would be a good option as well. All bets are off if using other than a Hartzell prop. As a note: the RV10 spinner back plate does look just like the RV 7's. It has the six hole in the center that line up with the prop bolts hole. In the plans this center section is cut out by the builder to fit around the constant speed hub before assembly. Thanks for all the input, Vern (#324) _____ > From: billschlatterer(at)sbcglobal.net > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: cowl fitting tips. > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:33:50 -0600 > > > Bummer, that's not a pretty thing to look forward to now. Just wondering > what caused that since it would look like 2.25 from the flywheel would be > the right spacing based on the plans as well as the instructions. Probably > should have waited but it's a little late now ;-( . I wonder if Vans might > not have understood that I was going CS and sent the instructions for a FP. > I really never thought about the hub spacing being different. Dumb! > > Based on your comments though, I probably should have at least gone out to a > friends plane and verified the spacing instead of just going by the > instructions and assuming...... > > Thanks for the wake up > Bill S _____ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Wiase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews' target='_new'>Try now! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stuffed hole help
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Nov 06, 2007
Ouch - I think the heli-coil insert would be #1 as Tim suggested Might look for some high temp epoxy as a reinforcement. But that would make it a one way repair. removal then would be impossible except with a bridge plate. Locktite does not seem to have the lower viscosity taht you need -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144297#144297 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fiberglass/plexiglass cabin top window purgatory
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Nov 06, 2007
I am about 80% done with the doors and cabin top ---- and have not attached my cabin top yet. I debated this question for weeks before taking the leap. After looking at all the stuff on the matronics site, I decided to go ahead with the Weld-on for my windows. I also decided that using this awful stuff in a vertical environment is tooo difficult. I removed the cabin top and decided to install both of the rear windows with the cabin top flat for each window. In other words, I laid the cabin top over about 70 degrees to install each rear window giving good access above and under. I have installed the first window. The results are mediocre. I did the installation at about 60 degrees Farenheit. The weld on goes off (solidifys) very quickly. There were no bubbles, but the weld on captured a lot of the 3M fineline masking tape (blue) inside the window so that it can be seen from the outside. For those of you getting to windows, read all of the instructions VERY carefully. Tim's excellent suggestion of using your finger to thin the rims of weld-on inside are really important. My error was sticking with the popsicle stics. The radius is tooooo small you need to thin the filet out with your finger so that you do not capture the masking tape. Also start removing the masking tape almost as soon as the window is in position. Any suggestions for removing or at least mitigating the effect of the weld-on captured blue plastic 3M tape I am still convinced that (even having to protect the window for the next 5-6 months) I made the right choice. Also , I can install the interior cabin top stuff in a less difficult situation for my aging old back. -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144301#144301 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: High Oil Temp
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Nov 06, 2007
It might be a pricey remedy, but how about Alex's higher capacity oil cooler? Especially in the Central and souther tier of the country it might not be bad to add 20% to the cooling capacity of the oil cooler -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144302#144302 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Listers Are Saying...
November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been sending some really nice comments regarding the Lists. I thought I'd share a few below. The Lists are completely supported by your Contributions. All of the bills for new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous support of the List members. Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of the List and Forums: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ================= What Listers Are Saying ================ Flying and building is much safer with this List!! Robert D. Thanks for having and maintaining such a great resource to all of us builders and flyers. Wayne E. Love the fact that you haven't caved to advertising! Peter J. ..a great resource!! Robert C. Not building at the moment, but the Lists keeps me right up to date with what's going on. Chris D. The web forum has been running great. James O. I enjoy this [List] site very much... Paul C. This is a great list! Albert G. ..a valuable resource! Roger C. I am deployed to Pakistan right now, and being able to go on-line and keep up with the aircraft discussions helps keep the aircraft building dream alive in my mind! Gregory C. ..fantastic service! Roger M. ..clearly a work of passion! Mike C. It is a great service to us! Kevin C. The list is a wonderful resource... Ralph O. [The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in building my RV-9A and now my RV-10. Albert G. ..a valuable and always improving service. Dick S. STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!! Owen B. ..such a valuable tool. Jon M. [The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me as a Zenith homebuilder. David G. The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other interesting builders and to make some new friends is truly appreciated. Albert G. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: High Oil Temp
Date: Nov 07, 2007
I'm not familiar with this oil cooler-do you know who carries it? Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- It might be a pricey remedy, but how about Alex's higher capacity oil cooler? Especially in the Central and southern tier of the country it might not be bad to add 20% to the cooling capacity of the oil cooler ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2007
From: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: High Oil Temp
Al, Heres the link. http://www.aviationtechproducts.com/ Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 10:14:13 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp I'm not familiar with this oil cooler-do you know who carries it? Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- It might be a pricey remedy, but how about Alex's higher capacity oil cooler? Especially in the Central and southern tier of the country it might not be bad to add 20% to the cooling capacity of the oil cooler ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2007
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: High Oil Temp
Al, It's the one made by Airflow Performance. You can buy it direct form them http://www.airflow-systems.com/ or you can buy it from Alex D. Gary Foster put one on his RV-10 in OK. and reported a drop in oil temps vs Van's stock cooler. I ordered and received one, but haven't installed it yet. It's a bolt on replacement, the difference is that it has significantly more cooling vanes (those zig-zag do-higgies). Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Albert Gardner wrote: > > I'm not familiar with this oil cooler-do you know who carries it? > Albert Gardner > Yuma, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > It might be a pricey remedy, but how about Alex's higher capacity oil > cooler? Especially in the Central and southern tier of the country it > might not be bad to add 20% to the cooling capacity of the oil cooler > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: High Oil Temp
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Nov 07, 2007
Is the 2006X big enough for a stock 260 HP or are most people going with the 2008X for the extra cooling capacity? (I'm in Oklahoma) -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144419#144419 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com>
Subject: -10 project for sale
Date: Nov 07, 2007
all, This time I'm sticking to it! My -10 project is for sale. Empennage, wings and fuselage kits done and ready for finish kit. O-540-A1D5 Lycoming with 1634 SFRM included. Changed my mind about this before but have decided that I'd rather be flying than building and don't have time to complete the -10 in a reasonable time. Located at KMGY (Dayton Wright Bros.) jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com John Hasbrouck #40264 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Re: -10 project for sale
Date: Nov 07, 2007
What are you looking for in regards to $$$? > > From: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com> > Date: 2007/11/07 Wed AM 11:45:51 EST > To: "RV LIST" > Subject: RV10-List: -10 project for sale > > all, > This time I'm sticking to it! My -10 project is for sale. Empennage, wings and fuselage kits done and ready for finish kit. O-540-A1D5 Lycoming with 1634 SFRM included. Changed my mind about this before but have decided that I'd rather be flying than building and don't have time to complete the -10 in a reasonable time. Located at KMGY (Dayton Wright Bros.) jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com > > John Hasbrouck > #40264 > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: -10 project for sale
Date: Nov 07, 2007
$35,000.00 takes it all including the engine and extras! Thanks for asking. John Hasbrouck ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: Re: -10 project for sale
Date: Nov 07, 2007
What are the extras? > > From: "John Hasbrouck" <jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com> > Date: 2007/11/07 Wed PM 01:35:26 EST > To: > Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 project for sale > > > $35,000.00 takes it all including the engine and extras! Thanks for asking. > John Hasbrouck > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2007
From: <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: High Oil Temp
Unless you've come up with an ingenuous way to mount it I don't think the 2008x will fit. Deems ---- orchidman wrote: > > Is the 2006X big enough for a stock 260 HP or are most people going with the 2008X for the extra cooling capacity? (I'm in Oklahoma) > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > Fuselage SB > (N410GB reserved) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144419#144419 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2007
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com>
Subject: Re: High Oil Temp
Gary; I'm just south in Paris, Texas and went for the better cooling oil cooler. Anything to keep the life blood of the engine as cool as possible. Dr Fred orchidman wrote: > > Is the 2006X big enough for a stock 260 HP or are most people going with the 2008X for the extra cooling capacity? (I'm in Oklahoma) > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > Fuselage SB > (N410GB reserved) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144419#144419 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mark Ritter <mritter509(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: High Oil Temp
Date: Nov 07, 2007
I ordered the 2008X about two months ago. It's considerably bigger than th e bolt on replacement 2006X and will not mount on the firewall due to engin e mount interference. I sent the 2008X back and installed the 2006X. The o il temps went down about 8 degrees. Also can climb at higher VS with the n ew cooler. They did tell me if and when they figure out how to mount the 2 008X in the RV-10 there would be a good trade-in arrangement. Mark RV-10/N410MR Austin, Texas
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp> From: gary(at)wingscc.com> Date: Wed, ssage posted by: "orchidman" > > Is the 2006X big enough for a stock 260 HP or are most people going with the 2008X for the extra co oling capacity? (I'm in Oklahoma)> > --------> Gary Blankenbiller> RV10 - # 40674> Fuselage SB> (N410GB reserved)> > > > > Read this topic online here :> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144419#144419> > > > > > ==> > > _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: High Oil Temp
Date: Nov 07, 2007
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
This would be a great time for someone to reach out to James McClow and get him to post an opinion on Static pressure changes in the airflow, both into and out of the stock VANS or 2006X coolers. Restrictions reduce airflow which is not a good thing. A composite duct (replacing SCAT tubing) and some simple mods should produce noticeable improvements to oil heat exchanger efficiencies. It is obvious as to why it is generally mounted where it is, however, the serpentine routing does not lead to efficiencies of operation. Does anyone have his email address? John RV10 - #40600 Aurora, OR ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Ritter Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp I ordered the 2008X about two months ago. It's considerably bigger than the bolt on replacement 2006X and will not mount on the firewall due to engine mount interference. I sent the 2008X back and installed the 2006X. The oil temps went down about 8 degrees. Also can climb at higher VS with the new cooler. They did tell me if and when they figure out how to mount the 2008X in the RV-10 there would be a good trade-in arrangement. Mark RV-10/N410MR Austin, Texas
________________________________ > Subject: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp > From: gary(at)wingscc.com > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:17:39 -0800 > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com > > > Is the 2006X big enough for a stock 260 HP or are most people going with the 2008X for the extra cooling capacity? (I'm in Oklahoma) > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > Fuselage SB > (N410GB reserved) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144419#144419 > ======================= > > > ________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now! <http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink _ oct> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fiberglass/plexiglass cabin top window purgatory
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Nov 07, 2007
I did window #2 (rear) today with better results. I did two things. I used my fingers and many nitrile gloves to form the filet. Also I used some prior advice and only used about 70% of the weld-on catalyst. Gives much better working time -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144547#144547 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>
Subject: FW: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's Visitation
Date: Nov 08, 2007
From: OhioValleyRVators(at)yahoogroups.com [mailto:OhioValleyRVators(at)yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [OhioValleyRVators] Dan's Visitation Forwarding to the RV-10 list Hi Gang, Just wanted to report back to you on the 'Visitation and Service' for Dan last night. Whenever we travel we always 'check in' on the radio once airborne giving position reports and eta. This time we were all checking in via cell phone and mile marker as we in our cars....hmmmm. All 'cept Mike Stewart that is since he flew up from Georgia. Of course he did put his cell into action once picked up at Youngstown airport by Glen and Mike. Most of us met at a litte Italian restaurant called 'Cickerinos' (somethink like that)in Hermitage, Pa. Dick Sipp (RV10) got in town 1st (drove down from Michigan) so he picked it out on a drive by.....it worked out real well. Was a little different seeing all the guys with their ties and sport coats on instead of company colors, a tee shirt, or a hoodie. After a quick meal we headed over to the Funeral Home. Nice turnout. Got to (finally) meet Dan's best (Navy) friend Bobby. Bobby had just flown with Dan in the RV10 from the Daytona, Fl. area (Jan Eggenfellner's) to his home in Boston about a week ago. He said everywhere they stopped that Dan kept saying how cool it was that they were flying up the coast in the RV10 that he had built in his garage!! Imagine that!! The Funeral Home had a nice slideshow with music that was playing quietly in the background . Lots of pictures of Dan in various stages of his life, including many shots of him and his RV10 that we had forwarded the other day (thanks to all for the pics). We filled up 2 rows on the far side of the parlor. Those in attendance were: - Rick Gray - Mike Stewart - John Furey - Bill Flaherty - Gary Jasper - Glen Miller - Mike Allardyce - Ty Pegues - Dick Sipp - Rob Logan The permenant arrangement we sent looked real nice. I'll also mention that as I walked around looking at all the flowers I noticed an arrangement that had a card that read 'from Doug and Susie Reeves @ Vansairforce.net'. Thanks Doug....very well received. Seeing the look on Dan's (9 year old) son Cameron's face last night was a sobering reminder of the gift of giving. Thanks again to all of you that have donated (or will in the future) to the Dan Lloyd Scholarship Fund for his children Becca and Cameron. I'll wait a couple weeks then will give the money to Trish for the fund. Again, if you wish to donate you can mail a check to: Rick Gray 200 Baker Trail Vincent, Ohio 45784 Of course, I'll provide Trish a list of names for the contributions. We have 10 signatures on the Ohio Valley RVators hat so far. I'll have it with me at the Birthday Party UFO this Saturday. I'll give the hat to Trish along with the donations. Sure hope some of you will join me. I spoke with Trish a few times last night. Under the circumstances she seemed to be holding up well. She (again) wanted me to thank the entire group for all the prayers. Dan loved his RV10 and all his 'RV' friends. His enthusiasm, knowledge, and friendship will surely be missed. See ya' soon Danno'! Rick at the Buffalo Farm - BTW - Mike 'Kahuna' Stewart checked in from his RV 'Super 8' night flight back to Lawrenceville, Ga around 11:30pm. He almost beat me home!! Dick 'Froggy' Sipp moteled it and is driving 5+hrs back to Michigan this morning. __._,_.___ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Nov 08, 2007
Subject: Re: Stuffed hole help
Yep agreed on the heli-coil. When you cross threaded and re-tapped it you lost some of the surface area for holding and I definitely would not rely on it as is. Almost certain for it to vibrate loose. Depending on the actual location, you might be able to drill and tap it with the next closest size in metric also. But I would check with an engine builder to make sure you have enough material before you do that. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:11 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Stuffed hole help Ouch - I think the heli-coil insert would be #1 as Tim suggested Might look for some high temp epoxy as a reinforcement. But that would make it a one way repair. removal then would be impossible except with a bridge plate. Locktite does not seem to have the lower viscosity taht you need -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144297#144297 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Nov 08, 2007
Subject: Re: High Oil Temp
Pacific Oil Coolers also has options for replacing the stock Niagara. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:42 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: High Oil Temp It might be a pricey remedy, but how about Alex's higher capacity oil cooler? Especially in the Central and souther tier of the country it might not be bad to add 20% to the cooling capacity of the oil cooler -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144302#144302 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Stuffed hole help
Date: Nov 08, 2007
From: "BPA" <BPA(at)bpaengines.com>
For some reason, I'm not getting any RV10 original posts, just responses (Matt?). Anyway, not knowing where the bad hole is, if it's an exterior hole a regular heli-coil is fine. However, if it's an interior use the locking heli-coil. These are noticeably different as the locking heli-coil is red in color. If you look at it closely, you'll notice that the interior threads have a flat segment on a couple of threads. Hopes this helps. Allen Barrett Barrett Precision Engines, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Stuffed hole help Yep agreed on the heli-coil. When you cross threaded and re-tapped it you lost some of the surface area for holding and I definitely would not rely on it as is. Almost certain for it to vibrate loose. Depending on the actual location, you might be able to drill and tap it with the next closest size in metric also. But I would check with an engine builder to make sure you have enough material before you do that. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:11 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Stuffed hole help Ouch - I think the heli-coil insert would be #1 as Tim suggested Might look for some high temp epoxy as a reinforcement. But that would make it a one way repair. removal then would be impossible except with a bridge plate. Locktite does not seem to have the lower viscosity taht you need -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144297#144297 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rick Barnes" <rickbarnes(at)highlanddental.com>
Date: Nov 08, 2007
Subject: Re: -10 project for sale
John, We've love to talk to you about purchasing your RV10. Let us know what is included. Rick ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: High Oil Temp
From: "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com>
Date: Nov 08, 2007
mritter509(at)msn.com wrote: > I ordered the 2008X about two months ago. It's considerably bigger than the bolt on replacement 2006X and will not mount on the firewall due to engine mount interference. I sent the 2008X back and installed the 2006X. The oil temps went down about 8 degrees. Also can climb at higher VS with the new cooler. They did tell me if and when they figure out how to mount the 2008X in the RV-10 there would be a good trade-in arrangement. > > Mark Thanks Deems, Fred and Mark. It's good to know exactly the models that will and will not fit. Want to get it right the first time around. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144599#144599 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aftermarket brake lines
Date: Nov 08, 2007
From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston(at)popsound.com>
Hey all - Had minor surgery a few days ago, and I'm stuck resting at home. can't really build, but I'm home from work. it's kind of like my own personal hell. I'm slowly going crazy, and it's only been a couple days. I figured i'd do brake lines, as that seems to be less strenuous than sanding fiberglass. I went different from the factory setup, and thought i'd share my findings. i've also completely re-done my website for no good reason other than that I've been bored. if you had any bookmarks, they probably don't work anymore. sorry. anyway, the brakeline writeup is here: http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Aftermarket_Br ake_Lines.html cj building an airplane - not sure what section anymore... www.perfectlygoodairplane.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 08, 2007
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>
Subject: Simple strobe choices
I have a simple question about strobe power packs. Is it worth getting the cheaper packs, or not? For instance, in the two products below, they seem to be identical in stats (not sure about weight or what materials they are made from), however, one is 46% the price of the other. $130 http://strobeguy.safeshopper.com/11/1806.htm?248 $282 http://www.creativair.com/strobe-power-supply-p-37.html I realize the former is more intended for vehicle applications, however, i know some plane builders are using them fine. Just curious what else i am missing, as to why one is over 2x the other. Just wondering why else i would pay the extra money, other than for the peace of mind effect?! thanks! Jae #40533 - ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aftermarket brake lines
Date: Nov 08, 2007
From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Very nice! Bob #40105 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: RV10-List: Aftermarket brake lines Hey all - Had minor surgery a few days ago, and I'm stuck resting at home. can't really build, but I'm home from work. it's kind of like my own personal hell. I'm slowly going crazy, and it's only been a couple days. I figured i'd do brake lines, as that seems to be less strenuous than sanding fiberglass. I went different from the factory setup, and thought i'd share my findings. i've also completely re-done my website for no good reason other than that I've been bored. if you had any bookmarks, they probably don't work anymore. sorry. anyway, the brakeline writeup is here: http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Aftermarket_B rake_Lines.html cj building an airplane - not sure what section anymore... www.perfectlygoodairplane.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Subject: Simple strobe choices
Date: Nov 08, 2007
FWIW... I bought the $130 power supply and decided to give it a shot. I haven't tested it yet though so I cannot comment to its effectiveness. The mounting holes on the Nova power packs fit the Van's kit made for the Whelen/ELT mount though. No modifications necessary. They are both very light weight and nearly identical in weight to the Whelen's as well. My hunch (which is just that) is that the creativeair unit is OEM's from Nova. My money is on (and already spent) the XPAK 604X. If it blows up in short order I will spend more money on a different brand. -Ben #40579 (picking up the finish kit today!!!) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: RV10-List: Simple strobe choices I have a simple question about strobe power packs. Is it worth getting the cheaper packs, or not? For instance, in the two products below, they seem to be identical in stats (not sure about weight or what materials they are made from), however, one is 46% the price of the other. $130 http://strobeguy.safeshopper.com/11/1806.htm?248 $282 http://www.creativair.com/strobe-power-supply-p-37.html I realize the former is more intended for vehicle applications, however, i know some plane builders are using them fine. Just curious what else i am missing, as to why one is over 2x the other. Just wondering why else i would pay the extra money, other than for the peace of mind effect?! thanks! Jae #40533 - ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 08, 2007
From: Bruce Patton <bpattonsoa(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Aftermarket brake lines
The pictures look just like mine on my RV-6A. They are wonderful, however .... When doing taxi tests, every time I applied the brakes, there was a resonance vibration that, within seconds, sheared the wheel fairing plate aluminum at the mounting bolts. I changed pads, fairing plates, drained and refilled the system 4 (5? 10?) times, mounted a video cam on the step to film the destruction and vibration, and basically went crazy for about five days. Talked to Vans, sent them the video, ordered new plates (twice or three times), removed the co-pilot brake system, rerouted tube, could drain and refill the entire system in minutes. Then I changed to the aluminum tube like the plans show, and have flown hundreds of wonderful, silent, hours. Van even wrote it up in the newsletter, it was so weird. So, if it works, great. If it does not, you can change it without a lot of hours wasted. I looked at a couple of certified Cessna, and they have the same as Van recommends, and some of those have been around since they invented airplanes. Bruce Patton Chris Johnston wrote: Hey all - . anyway, the brakeline writeup is here: http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Aftermarket_Brake_Lines.html cj building an airplane - not sure what section anymore... www.perfectlygoodairplane.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 08, 2007
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Simple strobe choices
http://strobeguy.safeshopper.com/90/2277.htm?265 this is the whole kit. even better value. If you go with Creativeair. or the RV-7 one Deems has, get this setup and buy the LED nav lights separately (get the brackets for the Creativeair ones however) Yes the strobe n more is the same thing and is half the price. Both are reliable. I called the strobe guy and he told me there are dozens of these out their and with no problem. XPAK and NOVA are good quality strobe packs. Pascal #720 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jae Chang" <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: RV10-List: Simple strobe choices > > I have a simple question about strobe power packs. Is it worth getting the > cheaper packs, or not? For instance, in the two products below, they seem > to be identical in stats (not sure about weight or what materials they are > made from), however, one is 46% the price of the other. > > $130 > http://strobeguy.safeshopper.com/11/1806.htm?248 > > $282 > http://www.creativair.com/strobe-power-supply-p-37.html > > I realize the former is more intended for vehicle applications, however, i > know some plane builders are using them fine. Just curious what else i am > missing, as to why one is over 2x the other. Just wondering why else i > would pay the extra money, other than for the peace of mind effect?! > > thanks! > > Jae > #40533 - > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
Subject: Second U-1002 Needed
Date: Nov 08, 2007
Just to let people know that N256H just got another U-1002 washer on the front landing gear shock arm (sorry for the untechnical name for it). After 350 hours or so, the second washer went in without trouble. I don't know the affect of not having it, but for those who have flown for this long (probably more important the elapsed time since first installation, which is just about 2.5 years now). Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com www.saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve carlson" <scbt(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RV 10 for sale or trade
Date: Nov 08, 2007
I've owned 4 RV's and presently have a 10 I love flying. The problem is that I have a new job and the airplane sits. I'd like to sell it or, preferably, trade for a 7A or 9A plus cash. It's a beautiful 2006 IFR certified 10, dual Cheltons, etc. The panel can be seen at steinair.com - customer panels - Jim Sinkbeil and Jim Otey (Lewiston, ID). Pictures and specs on request. Thanks for your time and happy building. Steve Carlson Spokane, Wa. (509)534-5967 scbt(at)comcast.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet!
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Date: Nov 09, 2007
Subject: Re: Vegas/Nellis progress
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Does it allow Stronger the more you want to get there? we had over so knots on the way out. Would be nice to get That on the way home. Need to do the home leg in One day. The -10's seats make that easy. Tim > > Tim, did you not know that by definition, a Head Wind is the wind > that blows from your destination? I would not hold my breath for > good winds on your way back! > > Rob. > > Nice pic! > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert Woods" <rwshooter(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Vegas/Nellis progress
Date: Nov 09, 2007
Tim, A buddy and I are going to Aviation Nation on Sunday..........Call me if you want to meet....I would love to see Scott's plane. Robb..702-429-7291 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:12 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vegas/Nellis progress Does it allow Stronger the more you want to get there? we had over so knots on the way out. Would be nice to get That on the way home. Need to do the home leg in One day. The -10's seats make that easy. Tim > > Tim, did you not know that by definition, a Head Wind is the wind > that blows from your destination? I would not hold my breath for > good winds on your way back! > > Rob. > > Nice pic! > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Budget Buys - Trainers
Date: Nov 10, 2007
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
If you are interested in feeling even better about your decision to build & fly an RV-10 just browse the November issue of AOPA Pilot article titled "Bottom Line Four-Seaters." It details the bare minimum products offered by Cirrus, Piper, Diamond & Cessna. In most cases they are VFR only & fixed pitch. The biggest power plant is 200 Hp. A brief recap: Cirrus SR20 SRV-G2 VFR Only $200,000 Sales 6-10 / year! Want an Autopilot, GNS 430, Front wheel pant just add $60,000 to $257,000 200 Hp = Highest true airspeed, 150 Kts. Piper Archer Built for fleet sales so if you want on you have to group your purchase with another buyer. $230,000 for round gauges Want a glass cockpit just add $50K Final price $280,000 160 Hp = true airspeed, 128 Kts. Diamond DA40-FP G1000 panel $246,000 Fabric interior, no wheel pants, downgraded exhaust Again to get this price you have to "gang" your purchase with a bulk buy 180 Hp = true airspeed, 134 Kts Cessna 172R G1000 panel $220,000 160 Hp = true airspeed, 122 Kts 440 lbs max payload with full fuel for a 4 seat plane. Grab your three 100 pound friends and go flying. You only weigh 140 lbs right? I guess the only "advantage" over an RV-10 is they come fully assembled. Robin RV-10 BPE Engine Shipped ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Budget Buys - Trainers
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Nov 10, 2007
Personal notes: Before I signed onto the RV10, I looked into the Cirrus SR20. The Cirrus staff showed me the SR22-G3 that they were pushing with it's mega price tag, they all but refused to sell me an SR20. If you demand one they will start telling you how you have to wait a year, and that it is too much of a beginner's product. It is only for VFR and the autopilot sucks, etc, etc, etc. I think that they keep it in the line as a transition trainer for the sales staff and a few flight schools, but it is a phantom product. Not really available to you or me. I doubt that even one was sold to an individual this year. They are looking to sell the big profit planes - like the turbo. The Archer is a good honest plane (I owned one) but 120-125 knots is its real capability. The 172 is a slow beast but very safe. -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144955#144955 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 10, 2007
From: CHRISTOPHER HARRIS <cbpip(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: RV 10 for sale or trade
Steve, Please forward a couple int. and ext. photos to this address. Also an asking price without trade. Thanks, Chris Harris steve carlson wrote: I've owned 4 RV's and presently have a 10 I love flying. The problem is that I have a new job and the airplane sits. I'd like to sell it or, preferably, trade for a 7A or 9A plus cash. It's a beautiful 2006 IFR certified 10, dual Cheltons, etc. The panel can be seen at steinair.com - customer panels - Jim Sinkbeil and Jim Otey (Lewiston, ID). Pictures and specs on request. Thanks for your time and happy building. Steve Carlson Spokane, Wa. (509)534-5967 scbt(at)comcast.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Subject: grounding question
Date: Nov 10, 2007
What are people doing for ground wires for the nav, landing, and pitot heat? Are you running separate wires for ground or grounding locally to the airframe? This might be somewhat of a "primer war" question as I've heard some say always run ground wires and others say ground locally. Aeroelectric says local ground for "non-noisy" items is fine. Just wondering what others have done. If airframe what kind of hardware do you use to get a solid ground connection? Do you use regular AN nuts bolts and washers or do you use something like a lock washer that has more bite maybe? Do you cover the nut/bolt with anything to slow any corrosion being that you need to clean the primer off the metal at the point of contact? Yes John I'll wipe the dust off the 43.13 :-) -Ben Westfall #40579 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
Date: Nov 11, 2007
Subject: Budget Buys - Trainers
Don't forget that most only have half the range also. Showed that same article to my wife. :-) michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:38 PM Subject: RV10-List: Budget Buys - Trainers If you are interested in feeling even better about your decision to build & fly an RV-10 just browse the November issue of AOPA Pilot article titled "Bottom Line Four-Seaters." It details the bare minimum products offered by Cirrus, Piper, Diamond & Cessna. In most cases they are VFR only & fixed pitch. The biggest power plant is 200 Hp. A brief recap: Cirrus SR20 SRV-G2 VFR Only $200,000 Sales 6-10 / year! Want an Autopilot, GNS 430, Front wheel pant just add $60,000 to $257,000 200 Hp = Highest true airspeed, 150 Kts. Piper Archer Built for fleet sales so if you want on you have to group your purchase with another buyer. $230,000 for round gauges Want a glass cockpit just add $50K Final price $280,000 160 Hp = true airspeed, 128 Kts. Diamond DA40-FP G1000 panel $246,000 Fabric interior, no wheel pants, downgraded exhaust Again to get this price you have to "gang" your purchase with a bulk buy 180 Hp = true airspeed, 134 Kts Cessna 172R G1000 panel $220,000 160 Hp = true airspeed, 122 Kts 440 lbs max payload with full fuel for a 4 seat plane. Grab your three 100 pound friends and go flying. You only weigh 140 lbs right? I guess the only "advantage" over an RV-10 is they come fully assembled. Robin RV-10 BPE Engine Shipped ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Neal George" <n8zg(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: grounding question
Date: Nov 11, 2007
Ben - I grounded lights and pitot heat locally by riveting a #8 nutplate to the spar web - one in each wingtip, one near the pitot mount. Socket-head cap screws and internal-tooth lock-washers secure the ring terminals. I didn't add any extra corrosion protection (I'll shoot it with CorrosionX after paint), but I do use a little anti-seize on all nutplates. What are people doing for ground wires for the nav, landing, and pitot heat? Are you running separate wires for ground or grounding locally to the airframe? This might be somewhat of a "primer war" question as I've heard some say always run ground wires and others say ground locally. Aeroelectric says local ground for "non-noisy" items is fine. Just wondering what others have done. If airframe what kind of hardware do you use to get a solid ground connection? Do you use regular AN nuts bolts and washers or do you use something like a lock washer that has more bite maybe? Do you cover the nut/bolt with anything to slow any corrosion being that you need to clean the primer off the metal at the point of contact? Yes John I'll wipe the dust off the 43.13 :-) -Ben Westfall #40579 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave Leikam" <DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: grounding question
Date: Nov 11, 2007
I spoke to a fellow -10 builder who is an AP and was told to ground most things locally. Logic was that the structure is a very good conductor and "there is more of it." Also, less wire, less weight and less complexity. I only installed one ground so far for my Gretz pitot and used a nut plate and screw. The friend suggested this because of the locking function of the nut plate and solid mount. I have QB wings and they came primed with a wash primer. I just drilled the holes for the nut plate, deburred, and squeezed in some rivets. Continuity is good. I will probably coat with some ACF-50 or Boeshield after paint. I have an EAA tech counselor visit soon and will pose this question to him. Only one person's opinion. Dave Leikam 40496 About to close the left wing. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Westfall To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: grounding question What are people doing for ground wires for the nav, landing, and pitot heat? Are you running separate wires for ground or grounding locally to the airframe? This might be somewhat of a "primer war" question as I've heard some say always run ground wires and others say ground locally. Aeroelectric says local ground for "non-noisy" items is fine. Just wondering what others have done. If airframe what kind of hardware do you use to get a solid ground connection? Do you use regular AN nuts bolts and washers or do you use something like a lock washer that has more bite maybe? Do you cover the nut/bolt with anything to slow any corrosion being that you need to clean the primer off the metal at the point of contact? Yes John I'll wipe the dust off the 43.13 J -Ben Westfall #40579 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Floor pan insulation
Hi Wandering through the things I book marked over the past few months; I came across a product called Koolmat. I must have kept the link as I was interested in something I could use to insulate the floor pan area - I am primarily interested in safety in case there is an engine fire. Not having used this product, would anyone who has used it let me know if it water absorbent. I don't want to put anything in the foot well that will absorb water. On a related note, what would be the best adhesive to use to hold it down? I want to avoid using any adhesives that can support a flame. Is there a general purpose adhesive that could be used in this and similar applications that are non flammable? Inquiring minds need to know .... Les Kearney #40643 - Frustrated in the fuse ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net>
Subject: grounding question
Date: Nov 11, 2007
In my RV-8A I ran a single #14 common ground wire to each wing, with an additional #14 ground wire for the pitot heat. My thought was to avoid mechanical problems associated with using the air frame for ground (getting a solid connection, hardware coming loose, dissimilar metal corrosion between the connector and the air frame, hard point vibration source, etc.). I plan on the same approach in my RV-10. I also used a Molex plug on the wing wiring to allow for wing removal for paint. The plug is located in the wing root along with female and male BNC connectors for the wing tip antenna. After paint I put RTV on these connections as an additional means for preservation. The RTV is easy to peal off if I ever need to take a wing off again. Carl Froehlich _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: grounding question What are people doing for ground wires for the nav, landing, and pitot heat? Are you running separate wires for ground or grounding locally to the airframe? This might be somewhat of a "primer war" question as I've heard some say always run ground wires and others say ground locally. Aeroelectric says local ground for "non-noisy" items is fine. Just wondering what others have done. If airframe what kind of hardware do you use to get a solid ground connection? Do you use regular AN nuts bolts and washers or do you use something like a lock washer that has more bite maybe? Do you cover the nut/bolt with anything to slow any corrosion being that you need to clean the primer off the metal at the point of contact? Yes John I'll wipe the dust off the 43.13 :-) -Ben Westfall #40579 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: grounding question
From: "egohr1" <EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu>
Date: Nov 11, 2007
I have been using local grounding with brass nuts /bolts / and lock washers to minimize corrosion and give a better conductor than steel. The primer is removed under the lock washer to insure good contact. sanding and wiring while waiting for the finishing kit. -------- eric gohr EGOHR86(at)alumni.carnegiemellon.edu Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145050#145050 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: grounding question
Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Nuckolls Book works for those with fear of reading the AC43.13. Surface contact area always wins over internal or external lock washers. They just retain the nut. Anti-Corrosion compounds can help as well. At work, We use my beloved ProSeal on bonding strap attachments to keep environmental contamination to a minimum. As an aircraft gets up to reaching my own age, corrosion on ground connections produce unique and challenging diagnostic opportunities. John Cox #40600 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: grounding question What are people doing for ground wires for the nav, landing, and pitot heat? Are you running separate wires for ground or grounding locally to the airframe? This might be somewhat of a "primer war" question as I've heard some say always run ground wires and others say ground locally. Aeroelectric says local ground for "non-noisy" items is fine. Just wondering what others have done. If airframe what kind of hardware do you use to get a solid ground connection? Do you use regular AN nuts bolts and washers or do you use something like a lock washer that has more bite maybe? Do you cover the nut/bolt with anything to slow any corrosion being that you need to clean the primer off the metal at the point of contact? Yes John I'll wipe the dust off the 43.13 :-) -Ben Westfall #40579 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Things I wish I knew sooner (Clecos)
Hi When I bought my tools, I thought, incorrectly, that all clecos were created equally. Interestingly, I found that it was hard to insert some clecos into the #40 holes before match drilling and others would fit fine. The difference was the brand. I had bought two different brands. The KWIK-LOK clecos did not insert into holes as easily as the WedgeLock brand. If I had to do it all over again, I would only buy the Wedgelock brand. After match drilling, there was no difference in ease of insertion. Cheers Les Kearney #40643 - Frustrated in the fuse ________________________________________________________________________________
From: cloudvalley(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Budget Buys - Trainers
Date: Nov 11, 2007
Hi Mike, We bought an SR20 (2006) with everything except SW/SS, for $249,000, which they used for an ad in the August issue of "Flying" Magazine. N774PT. Ruth flew it From Duluth, Minn to Eugene. Then we flew it across to Mass, went to the the AOPA EXPO, then to Ohio, San Diego and back home. It really is a great plane, which may be slow at 132 Knots at best economy, but it burned 7.5 gal/hr! Also, only one qt of oil in 50 hrs. The G3's are way too expensive, that's for sure! Even the SR 20 is not cheap, but the avionics were so great and easy to use! Made the trip a lot more fun! Talk to you later, Mike. Good luck with the RV10! Brian and Ruth -------------- Original message -------------- From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> > > Personal notes: Before I signed onto the RV10, I looked into the Cirrus SR20. > The Cirrus staff showed me the SR22-G3 that they were pushing with it's mega > price tag, they all but refused to sell me an SR20. If you demand one they will > start telling you how you have to wait a year, and that it is too much of a > beginner's product. It is only for VFR and the autopilot sucks, etc, etc, etc. > > I think that they keep it in the line as a transition trainer for the sales > staff and a few flight schools, but it is a phantom product. Not really > available to you or me. I doubt that even one was sold to an individual this > year. They are looking to sell the big profit planes - like the turbo. > > The Archer is a good honest plane (I owned one) but 120-125 knots is its real > capability. The 172 is a slow beast but very safe. > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust > Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144955#144955 > > > > > > > > > >
Hi Mike,

We bought an SR20 (2006) with everything except SW/SS, for $249,000, which they used for an ad in the August issue of "Flying" Magazine. N774PT. Ruth flew it From Duluth, Minn to Eugene. Then we flew it across to Mass, went to the the AOPA EXPO, then to Ohio, San Diego and back home. It really is a great plane, which may be slow at 132 Knots at best economy, but it burned 7.5 gal/hr! Also, only one qt of oil in 50 hrs. The G3's are way too expensive, that's for sure! Even the SR 20 is not cheap, but the avionics were so great and easy to use! Made the trip a lot more fun! Talk to you later, Mike. Good luck with the RV10!

Brian and Ruth

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> Personal notes: Before I signed onto the RV10, I looked into the Cirrus SR20.
> The Cirrus staff showed me the SR22-G3 that they were pushing with it's mega
> price tag, they all but refused to sell me an SR20. If you demand one they will
> start telling you how you have to wait a year, and that it is too much of a
> beginner's product. It is only for VFR and the autopilot sucks, etc, etc, etc.
>
> I think that they keep it in the line as a transition trainer for the sales
> staff and a few flight schools, but it is a phantom product. Not really
> available to you or me. I doubt that even one was sold to an individual this
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Subject: grounding question
Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
As an alternative to the Funnies or Sports Page this AM. Here you are Ben. Don't want allergies to flair up from the dust on your shelf. John #40600 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: grounding question What are people doing for ground wires for the nav, landing, and pitot heat? Are you running separate wires for ground or grounding locally to the airframe? This might be somewhat of a "primer war" question as I've heard some say always run ground wires and others say ground locally. Aeroelectric says local ground for "non-noisy" items is fine. Just wondering what others have done. If airframe what kind of hardware do you use to get a solid ground connection? Do you use regular AN nuts bolts and washers or do you use something like a lock washer that has more bite maybe? Do you cover the nut/bolt with anything to slow any corrosion being that you need to clean the primer off the metal at the point of contact? Yes John I'll wipe the dust off the 43.13 :-) -Ben Westfall #40579 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: Rick Sked <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: Floor pan insulation
Les, I have Koolmat on my firewall. It is a fberglass mat with a impregnated silicone covering, about an 1/8" thick total. I don't think the glass side could absorb much water, definetly not the silicone side. I used red RTV to attache on small dabs. It's pretty tough stuff. I super sound proof insulation in the floor pan areas and cut it for a friction fit, no adhesive except a small dab of silicone if it showed any lifting. Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 6:18:48 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Floor pan insulation Hi Wandering through the things I book marked over the past few months; I came across a product called Koolmat. I must have kept the link as I was interested in something I could use to insulate the floor pan area - I am primarily interested in safety in case there is an engine fire. Not having used this product, would anyone who has used it let me know if it water absorbent. I don't want to put anything in the foot well that will absorb water. On a related note, what would be the best adhesive to use to hold it down? I want to avoid using any adhesives that can support a flame. Is there a general purpose adhesive that could be used in this and similar applications that are non flammable? Inquiring minds need to know .... Les Kearney #40643 - Frustrated in the fuse ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: grounding question
Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Answer #3 - Make an appropriately sized monetary contribution to Matt's Matronics Annual Contribution List for November and receive a free copy of Bob Nuckolls Aero Electric in electronic form... then no dust is likely. John #40600 ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: grounding question What are people doing for ground wires for the nav, landing, and pitot heat? Are you running separate wires for ground or grounding locally to the airframe? This might be somewhat of a "primer war" question as I've heard some say always run ground wires and others say ground locally. Aeroelectric says local ground for "non-noisy" items is fine. Just wondering what others have done. If airframe what kind of hardware do you use to get a solid ground connection? Do you use regular AN nuts bolts and washers or do you use something like a lock washer that has more bite maybe? Do you cover the nut/bolt with anything to slow any corrosion being that you need to clean the primer off the metal at the point of contact? Yes John I'll wipe the dust off the 43.13 :-) -Ben Westfall #40579 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aftermarket brake lines
Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>
CJ, Thank you for the Brake Line write up. We ordered ALMOST the same exact lines from the Baker Precision per your research. The difference is we purchased a standard 32" length rather than a custom 31.5" length and saved a few $. The 32" units are $16.95 each. Robin Officially 1/2" longer than CJ :-) probably don't work anymore. sorry. anyway, the brakeline writeup is here: http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Aftermarket_B rake_Lines.html cj building an airplane - not sure what section anymore... www.perfectlygoodairplane.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com>
Subject: grounding question
Date: Nov 11, 2007
John my punches were inteded to be humerous. more as "beat you to your standard response" than anything. I own the latest version 11 of Bob's Aeroelectric Connection and have read it front to back 3 times in the last several months. Believe it or not my AC43.13 is quite tattered. Both were consulted prior to my emails. I like a healthy dose of information prior to actually making any decisions. My experiences in my 32 years of life have proven that book smarts don't always align with reality so along with the reading and research that goes with all the build decisions (which at times seems like its more than actually building) I like to hear what others have done and will do. I take from those what I feel prudent. Thanks for your responses they are always valued and welcomed. -Ben _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: grounding question Answer #3 - Make an appropriately sized monetary contribution to Matt's Matronics Annual Contribution List for November and receive a free copy of Bob Nuckolls Aero Electric in electronic form. then no dust is likely. John #40600 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: RV10-List: grounding question What are people doing for ground wires for the nav, landing, and pitot heat? Are you running separate wires for ground or grounding locally to the airframe? This might be somewhat of a "primer war" question as I've heard some say always run ground wires and others say ground locally. Aeroelectric says local ground for "non-noisy" items is fine. Just wondering what others have done. If airframe what kind of hardware do you use to get a solid ground connection? Do you use regular AN nuts bolts and washers or do you use something like a lock washer that has more bite maybe? Do you cover the nut/bolt with anything to slow any corrosion being that you need to clean the primer off the metal at the point of contact? Yes John I'll wipe the dust off the 43.13 :-) -Ben Westfall #40579 http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com>
Subject: Re: Floor pan insulation
Date: Nov 11, 2007
I also used the super sound proofing under the floor pans. Under the front floor pans I used the 1" thick version and just did a tight fit, no adhesive. Under the rear seat floor pans I used 3/4", its a perfect fit. I also used the 3/4" thick under the rear seats and under the baggage compartment floor. In these two areas I used the adhesive backed version of the insulation as there is nothing really holding the insulation down. On the firewall I'm also using the Koolmat material. I've been scratching my head on how to fasten this stuff down. The RTV idea seams reasonable. Also I was curious as to how flame retardent the super sound proofing was, so I took some pieces outside and tried to set them on fire with a propane torch. The stuff just kinda curled up and melted, but definetly did not support any flame at all. It did stink the high heaven and you'd definely need some ventalation if you melted this stuff inside the cabin, but it certainly did not catch fire. Also this Koolmat seems to be the only stuff I've seen intended to be put on the engine side of the firewall. I think this makes great sense, as keeping the heat from passing thru the firewall in the first place is the best way to keep the cabin cool. Bob Newman #40176 TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Post Mortem - Matronics List Pummeled By Spam...
Dear Listers, Over a 3-day period, Thursday 11/8 though Saturday 11/10, the Matronics Lists were pummeled with over 450,000 spam emails causing posting delays and a few duplicate messages. Yeah, I really said nearly half a million spams! The good news is that I don't believe a single one of them actually made it to the Lists thanks to the aggressive List filtering code and the Barracuda spam filter. The bad news was that it caused quite a back log of email messages starting Friday and continuing until late Saturday when I noticed that delivery seemed a bit sluggish. By about 11pm on Saturday night, I had managed to get the backlog cleared out of the spam filter by temporarily adjusting some of the filtering. A check of the queues this morning, and everything looks like its working great and there are no incoming filtering delays and spam levels appear to be back to "normal". There were a number of people asking what was going on, so I thought that I'd send out a follow up post mortem on the event... November is the annual List Fund Raiser. Your contribution directly enables me to buy systems like the Barracuda spam filter that keep the List free of that garbage. Please make a contribution to support your Lists! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Floor pan insulation
Question? Is this material fuel resistant? Question? What"s to become of the fuel you spill when you change your fuel filter? I know its not a lot but..... Thanks Just wondering Pat Thyssen One day I'll finish. Bob-tcw wrote: I also used the super sound proofing under the floor pans. Under the front floor pans I used the 1" thick version and just did a tight fit, no adhesive. Under the rear seat floor pans I used 3/4", its a perfect fit. I also used the 3/4" thick under the rear seats and under the baggage compartment floor. In these two areas I used the adhesive backed version of the insulation as there is nothing really holding the insulation down. On the firewall I'm also using the Koolmat material. I've been scratching my head on how to fasten this stuff down. The RTV idea seams reasonable. Also I was curious as to how flame retardent the super sound proofing was, so I took some pieces outside and tried to set them on fire with a propane torch. The stuff just kinda curled up and melted, but definetly did not support any flame at all. It did stink the high heaven and you'd definely need some ventalation if you melted this stuff inside the cabin, but it certainly did not catch fire. Also this Koolmat seems to be the only stuff I've seen intended to be put on the engine side of the firewall. I think this makes great sense, as keeping the heat from passing thru the firewall in the first place is the best way to keep the cabin cool. Bob Newman #40176 TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick ONeill" <poneill(at)irealms.com>
Subject: Things I wish I knew sooner (Clecos)
Date: Nov 11, 2007
I had the exact same issues. I didn't purchase a tool kit, but instead order various tools from various vendors as desired/needed through the process. The cleco's I purchased from ATS do not fit well in the punched holes but work fine in match drilled holes. The clecos I purchased from Cleveland are much more tolerant of the undersized holes before match drilling, so when doing the pre-match drill assembly, I had to use the Clevelands. After match drilling they all worked fine. I keep them in separate bins, so the only time it was really an issue for me was during the tailcone when it was 'all clecos on deck.' The phrase "all clecos are not created equal" has gone through my mind at least 100 times during the empennage and in the early stages was quite frustrating. Best Regards, Patrick #40715 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: RV10-List: Things I wish I knew sooner (Clecos) Hi When I bought my tools, I thought, incorrectly, that all clecos were created equally. Interestingly, I found that it was hard to insert some clecos into the #40 holes before match drilling and others would fit fine. The difference was the brand. I had bought two different brands. The KWIK-LOK clecos did not insert into holes as easily as the WedgeLock brand. If I had to do it all over again, I would only buy the Wedgelock brand. After match drilling, there was no difference in ease of insertion. Cheers Les Kearney #40643 - Frustrated in the fuse ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Things I wish I knew sooner (Clecos)
I bought the CLEKOLOK K-series from Brown tools. They have been great! never had any problems and while I am at it, All the tools I have bought from Brown tools have been first rate. There was a problem with a #40 countersink and Michael Brown himself address my concern and resolved to my satisfaction in a very timely manner. I bought all the least expensive tools that I felt were of the best quality. Anyone looking for other than the usual vendors- I highly recommend Brown Tools and The YARD STORE for any tools needed. They are reasonable in pricing (Yard being the best value) than anywhere else. Pascal Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: Les Kearney To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: RV10-List: Things I wish I knew sooner (Clecos) Hi When I bought my tools, I thought, incorrectly, that all clecos were created equally. Interestingly, I found that it was hard to insert some clecos into the #40 holes before match drilling and others would fit fine. The difference was the brand. I had bought two different brands. The KWIK-LOK clecos did not insert into holes as easily as the WedgeLock brand. If I had to do it all over again, I would only buy the Wedgelock brand. After match drilling, there was no difference in ease of insertion. Cheers Les Kearney #40643 - Frustrated in the fuse ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2007
From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: grounding question
I'm grounding locally to the airframe (wing tips, tail structure,etc) per Aeroelectric recommendation. Will have ground bus for sensitive equipment. When grounding to the airframe, I referenced Tables 11-14 & 11-15 in 43.13. Very specific advice on grounding to aluminum airframe with aluminum washers and lock washer application. It was my first use of 43.13. I have no useful experience with the results in this area. Bill Watson #40605 Ben Westfall wrote: > > What are people doing for ground wires for the nav, landing, and pitot > heat? Are you running separate wires for ground or grounding locally > to the airframe? This might be somewhat of a primer war question as > Ive heard some say always run ground wires and others say ground > locally. Aeroelectric says local ground for non-noisy items is fine. > Just wondering what others have done. > > If airframe what kind of hardware do you use to get a solid ground > connection? Do you use regular AN nuts bolts and washers or do you use > something like a lock washer that has more bite maybe? Do you cover > the nut/bolt with anything to slow any corrosion being that you need > to clean the primer off the metal at the point of contact? > > Yes John Ill wipe the dust off the 43.13 J > > -Ben Westfall > > #40579 > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2007
Subject: Re: Budget Buys - Trainers
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
Airmaike, Since I know at least two people who have recently purchased and took delivery of SR-20s due to the lower entry price, lower insurance and lower operating cost, you dealer was either on an agenda, ill informed or disingenuous. They we able to get all the option availabel in the SR-22 with the exception of the weeping wing de-ice system. Even Aviation Consumer rated the SR-20 as a best value but most pilots think more power is the panacea for poor flying skills and gravitate to the SR-22. William http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ -------- Original Message -------- > X-Rcpt-To: > > > Personal notes: Before I signed onto the RV10, I looked into the Cirrus SR20. The Cirrus staff showed me the SR22-G3 that they were pushing with it's mega price tag, they all but refused to sell me an SR20. If you demand one they will start telling you how you have to wait a year, and that it is too much of a beginner's product. It is only for VFR and the autopilot sucks, etc, etc, etc. > > I think that they keep it in the line as a transition trainer for the sales staff and a few flight schools, but it is a phantom product. Not really available to you or me. I doubt that even one was sold to an individual this year. They are looking to sell the big profit planes - like the turbo. > > The Archer is a good honest plane (I owned one) but 120-125 knots is its real capability. The 172 is a slow beast but very safe. > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust > Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144955#144955 > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve carlson" <scbt(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV 10 for sale or trade
Date: Nov 11, 2007
Chris, Thanks for the interest. A brief description: - 2006 RV 10 built by Jim Sinkbeil and Jim Otey in Lewiston, Id. (phone numbers on request). - 147 hrs TTAF/Harsell prop, 147hrs SMOH Aerosport IO-540 (overhaul docs on request). - Engine has Airflow Performance FI, Laser ign, Slick mag, sump heat. - Avionics - Dual Chelton screens, PS eng 8000 AP, SL 30, SL 40, Garm 327, EI MVP-50 engine analyser, back-up AI, ALT, AS, panel assembled by Steinair. - Interior professionally done. - IFR cert, annual 6/2007, TAS 175 kts at 75%. I'm upfront about costs. I bought the airplane about a year ago - the asking price was $260K and I paid $230K, which I thought was a fair price. If I put in an add for sale it will be for $220K - $225K. Stein of steinair can give a fair evaluation of the plane - he knows it as the 10 built by "the Jims" of Lewiston. Hope this helps. Steve Carlson (The panel can be seen online at steinair.com - customer panels - Jim Sinkbeil and Jim Otey) ----- Original Message ----- From: CHRISTOPHER HARRIS To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 11:40 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV 10 for sale or trade Steve, Please forward a couple int. and ext. photos to this address. Also an asking price without trade. Thanks, Chris Harris steve carlson wrote: I've owned 4 RV's and presently have a 10 I love flying. The problem is that I have a new job and the airplane sits. I'd like to sell it or, preferably, trade for a 7A or 9A plus cash. It's a beautiful 2006 IFR certified 10, dual Cheltons, etc. The panel can be seen at steinair.com - customer panels - Jim Sinkbeil and Jim Otey (Lewiston, ID). Pictures and specs on request. Thanks for your time and happy building. Steve Carlson http://forums.matronics.com =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve carlson" <scbt(at)comcast.net>
Subject: RV 10
Date: Nov 11, 2007
Sorry - responded to an e-mail and sent it to the wrong address. Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com>
Subject: Part F-1054
Date: Nov 11, 2007
There are only a few parts remaining in my box and this is one of them. This appears to be a rt and lf part to be cut into two. It is listed as a Tank Attach Angle, but I can not find it in the plans. Does anyone have a recollection of this? Thanks, John G. 409 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Budget Buys - Trainers
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Nov 11, 2007
I stand corrected. I will tell you that they simply would not sell one to my former plane partner and myself in late 2006. (B&R) Blowing thru 1000 hours on the RV10 this week. I am beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel - but it is still dim. Mattituck IO-540 and 2x prop due Dec/Jan. Seem that the rules to stay on track are : 1. As few mods as possible. Stick to the excellent plans 2. Decide on your panel early 3. Order your non-Vans stuff well before you need it 4. Keep it simple - remember that you can always upgrade or change later -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/uggg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145312#145312 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Patrick ONeill" <poneill(at)irealms.com>
Subject: Vans RV-10 AHRS Mounting Kit
Date: Nov 12, 2007
I just noticed that Van's is offering an AHRS mounting kit for the 10: AHRS Mount Kit for the RV-10 Part Number = IF AHRS MOUNT-10 Description Mount for Attitude Heading Reference System unit. Provides parts to mount the AHRS unit for either the Garmin G900XT or the Grand Rapids EFIS. Locates unit behind baggage bulkhead on RV-7, RV-9, and RV-10. Has anyone received one of these or better yet, any photos? I'm not getting a clear picture of what it entails from the illustration on Van's web store. It would be nice to skip fabricating an AHRS shelf. I'm not sure which AHRS units are used by Garmin or GRT. I am trying to figure out if it will accommodate the Xbow NAV 420 AHRS unit that ships from OP. I also want to make sure it does not conflict with the ELT/Strobe PS tray. Best Regards, Patrick #40715 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Vans RV-10 AHRS Mounting Kit
From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com>
Date: Nov 12, 2007
I just bought one last week to see how it worked myself. It is a simple shelf that looks to be plenty sturdy. It comes with a rib that mounts to one of the floor stiffeners meaning you have to drill out 9 rivets. The tray then mounts to that rib and the bell crank platform aft of the battery. It has match drilled nutplate attach holes for the GRT and Garmin AHRS, but it can easily be modified to fit others. I hope to get some time in the shop this week and get it installed. When I get it done I will post a picture for you and see if I can get the instructions scanned. Eric Kallio 40518 Floors and fuel system Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145336#145336 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Vans RV-10 AHRS Mounting Kit
Date: Nov 12, 2007
From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" <Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com>
<> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> I was working with Garmin here in Olathe on this bracket and testing it using my RV-10. Here are all the pictures I provided to Garmin during this process. Van's actually created the bracket with the feedback that was provided my Scott (Garmin) and myself. By the way, I don't have either AHRS, but this bracket still makes an excellent support for a 1" x 8" board when you need to crawl back into the tail. We are still working on the bracket for the Magnometer, problem is finding a good location that is free of magnetic interference to the standards which Garmin has set for the Certified installations. Thank You Ray Doerr 40250 N519RV -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick ONeill Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:08 AM Subject: RV10-List: Vans RV-10 AHRS Mounting Kit I just noticed that Van's is offering an AHRS mounting kit for the 10: AHRS Mount Kit for the RV-10 Part Number = IF AHRS MOUNT-10 Description Mount for Attitude Heading Reference System unit. Provides parts to mount the AHRS unit for either the Garmin G900XT or the Grand Rapids EFIS. Locates unit behind baggage bulkhead on RV-7, RV-9, and RV-10. Has anyone received one of these or better yet, any photos? I'm not getting a clear picture of what it entails from the illustration on Van's web store. It would be nice to skip fabricating an AHRS shelf. I'm not sure which AHRS units are used by Garmin or GRT. I am trying to figure out if it will accommodate the Xbow NAV 420 AHRS unit that ships from OP. I also want to make sure it does not conflict with the ELT/Strobe PS tray. Best Regards, Patrick #40715 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Removal of fuel tank access panel
From: "n277dl" <dljinia(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 12, 2007
John, I've taken the plate of off the -7A that was prosealed on (actually have done this a couple times). Ended up not being a big deal. Just take the screws out (I used some allen head screws which made taking them out much easier on the 7) and use a putty knife or something similar to get started. Once it starts just work around the edge prying a little and the proseal will turn loose. Doug.... riveting the tailcone together.... soon will be waiting on QB Fuse and wings. -------- Doug RV7A flying ~500hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145440#145440 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2007
From: James Hein <n8vim(at)arrl.net>
Subject: Re: Removal of fuel tank access panel
Use a PLASTIC putty knife... works well, doesn't carve out aluminum! Also, it will avoid the wrath of J.C. -Jim 40384 n277dl wrote: > >John, > I've taken the plate of off the -7A that was prosealed on (actually have done this a couple times). Ended up not being a big deal. Just take the screws out (I used some allen head screws which made taking them out much easier on the 7) and use a putty knife or something similar to get started. Once it starts just work around the edge prying a little and the proseal will turn loose. > >Doug.... riveting the tailcone together.... soon will be waiting on QB Fuse and wings. > >-------- >Doug >RV7A flying ~500hrs > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145440#145440 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rob Hunter" <rwhunter(at)integra.net>
Subject:
Date: Nov 12, 2007
HI! I have to pickup my standard fuselage later today and wonder how many people it would take to get out of the back of a pickup truck? Any other suggestions? Rob Hunter 40432 Flaps ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2007
From: James Hein <n8vim(at)arrl.net>
Subject: Re: Fuselage Crate in Pickup Truck
It only takes one person.... Take the end of the crate off while still on the truck and start removing materials until its empty, then just slide the crate off the truck and start breaking it down. The crate is 8'2" long... the bed of my truck was 8' That's how I did it: -Jim 40384 Rob Hunter wrote: > > >HI! I have to pickup my standard fuselage later today and wonder how >many people it would take to get out of the back of a pickup truck? Any >other suggestions? > >Rob Hunter >40432 >Flaps > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Check oil door - top cowel - Hartwell flush clips
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
Date: Nov 12, 2007
I am violating my few/no-mod rule here. I want to install the neat flush fitting Hartwell clips on the oil door. Questions: Do I need one or two of these Hartwell H-5000-2 clips? Is one enough to keep the oil door in place with the back-pressure of the air. I was thinking of adding an aluminum stiffener plate. Also (to anyone on their final installation or in the air) is there at least 1" of clearance in this area to let the clips rotate I really must admit that I like the completely flush fit of the cowel with no protrusions using the Hartwell clips -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145514#145514 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jay Rowe" <jfrjr(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Check oil door - top cowel - Hartwell flush clips
Date: Nov 12, 2007
Mike: I used two of the Hartwell clips (Wick's at about $10/each) but also added two layers of eglass to the back side of the door to stiffen plus added a little epoxy around the clip flanges fro strength. The only thing I don't like is that I had to recess the clips about 1/8" below the surface of the doors so that the clips would engage the cowling. Clearance is not a problem (fuel injected and one side Lightspeed). Jay Rowe #40301 (finishing the very baffling baffling). ----- Original Message ----- From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> To: Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: Check oil door - top cowel - Hartwell flush clips > > I am violating my few/no-mod rule here. I want to install the neat flush fitting Hartwell clips on the oil door. > > Questions: > > Do I need one or two of these Hartwell H-5000-2 clips? Is one enough to keep the oil door in place with the back-pressure of the air. I was thinking of adding an aluminum stiffener plate. > > Also (to anyone on their final installation or in the air) is there at least 1" of clearance in this area to let the clips rotate > > I really must admit that I like the completely flush fit of the cowel with no protrusions using the Hartwell clips > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust > Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145514#145514 > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- 11/11/2007 9:50 PM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: Fan Belt
Date: Nov 12, 2007
Anybody have a part number for the fan belt handy....at work with no data. Rene' Felker N423CF 40322 801-721-6080 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fan Belt
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Date: Nov 12, 2007
Gates 7365. Bob #40105 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145533#145533 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2007
From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fan Belt
You mean the alternator belt? http://www.scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/518426#23756146 Part Number 7365 Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Rene Felker <rene(at)felker.com> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:59:45 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fan Belt Anybody have a part number for the fan belt handy....at work with no data. Rene' Felker N423CF 40322 801-721-6080 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Michael Schipper <mike(at)learningplanet.com>
Subject: Re: Check oil door - top cowel - Hartwell flush clips
Date: Nov 12, 2007
I used two of them on my -9A and it seemed like a little overkill, but I think it's good insurance. As far as the recess is concerned, it depends on which Hartwell latch you buy. They come in different flavors. I learned this after ordering (and reordering) several sets from Spruce and Wicks. I found a set at AirVenture this year that have the top of the latch protruding about 1/16" and the catch (for lack of a better term) is extra deep. These should work out perfectly. Regards, Mike Schipper #576 - Fuse - www.rvten.com On Nov 12, 2007, at 5:50 PM, Jay Rowe wrote: > Mike: I used two of the Hartwell clips (Wick's at about $10/each) > but also added two layers of eglass to the back side of the door to > stiffen plus added a little epoxy around the clip flanges fro > strength. The only thing I don't like is that I had to recess the > clips about 1/8" below the surface of the doors so that the clips > would engage the cowling. Clearance is not a problem (fuel injected > and one side Lightspeed). Jay Rowe #40301 (finishing the very > baffling baffling). > ----- Original Message ----- From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> > To: > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:53 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Check oil door - top cowel - Hartwell flush clips > > > > > > I am violating my few/no-mod rule here. I want to install the neat > flush fitting Hartwell clips on the oil door. > > > > Questions: > > > > Do I need one or two of these Hartwell H-5000-2 clips? Is one > enough to keep the oil door in place with the back-pressure of the > air. I was thinking of adding an aluminum stiffener plate. > > > > Also (to anyone on their final installation or in the air) is > there at least 1" of clearance in this area to let the clips rotate > > > > I really must admit that I like the completely flush fit of the > cowel with no protrusions using the Hartwell clips > > > > -------- > > OSH '08 or Bust > > Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145514#145514 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- 11/11/2007 9:50 PM > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gary" <speckter(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Aftermarket brake lines
Date: Nov 08, 2007
Just for the sake of knowledge. My 1969 Cessna has solid break lines like Van's. It is still in service after 3500 hours. Just so folks know. Gary 40274 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: RV10-List: Aftermarket brake lines Hey all - Had minor surgery a few days ago, and I'm stuck resting at home. can't really build, but I'm home from work. it's kind of like my own personal hell. I'm slowly going crazy, and it's only been a couple days. I figured i'd do brake lines, as that seems to be less strenuous than sanding fiberglass. I went different from the factory setup, and thought i'd share my findings. i've also completely re-done my website for no good reason other than that I've been bored. if you had any bookmarks, they probably don't work anymore. sorry. anyway, the brakeline writeup is here: http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Aftermarket_Brake _Lines.html cj building an airplane - not sure what section anymore... www.perfectlygoodairplane.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2007
From: <jhstarn(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Aftermarket brake lines
>From: gary <speckter(at)comcast.net> >Date: 2007/11/08 Thu PM 02:43:04 CST >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aftermarket brake lines > >Just for the sake of knowledge. My 1969 Cessna has solid break lines like >Van's. It is still in service after 3500 hours. Just so folks know. > >Gary >40274 > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:34 PM >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Aftermarket brake lines > >Hey all - > >Had minor surgery a few days ago, and I'm stuck resting at home. can't >really build, but I'm home from work. it's kind of like my own personal >hell. I'm slowly going crazy, and it's only been a couple days. I figured >i'd do brake lines, as that seems to be less strenuous than sanding >fiberglass. I went different from the factory setup, and thought i'd share >my findings. i've also completely re-done my website for no good reason >other than that I've been bored. if you had any bookmarks, they probably >don't work anymore. sorry. anyway, the brakeline writeup is here: > >http://www.perfectlygoodairplane.net/Perfectlygoodairplane/Aftermarket_Brake >_Lines.html > >cj >building an airplane - not sure what section anymore... >www.perfectlygoodairplane.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Removal of fuel tank access panel
Date: Nov 12, 2007
From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
Use of a metal putty knife is a "Termination Offence" at work (Spelling is Canadian cause the planes are designed by French Canadians. The damage inflicted on aluminum skin quickly exceeds the 10 to 15% damage depth permitted to be blended smooth after scrapping. Plastic scrappers are given out by the dozens. We remove easily 100 panels per night using fiberglass reinforced plastic scrapers. Teams of guys "Lay to" the process to get at the goodies needing fixing below the covers. Skin knives are contraband yet some have them hidden to use leverage after the perimeter seal is broken with plastic scrapers. Boeing surplus and Ebay have been a source of all things connected with sealant. John Cox -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n277dl Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Removal of fuel tank access panel John, I've taken the plate of off the -7A that was prosealed on (actually have done this a couple times). Ended up not being a big deal. Just take the screws out (I used some allen head screws which made taking them out much easier on the 7) and use a putty knife or something similar to get started. Once it starts just work around the edge prying a little and the proseal will turn loose. Doug.... riveting the tailcone together.... soon will be waiting on QB Fuse and wings. -------- Doug

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