RV10-Archive.digest.vol-ij
August 19, 2011 - September 14, 2011
>>>> more than fair when I transposed the antenna connectors
>>>> (sszzzztt--don't do that).
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty cool to see traffic on the screen, several miles away, and
>>>> then maneuver around to get close enough to get a visual, and know
>>>> right where to look. Like magic.
>>>>
>>>> Any questions, feel free to call or email, on or off list.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Saylor
>>>> AirCrafters
>>>> 140 Aviation Way
>>>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>>>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>>>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>>>
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| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
What Chris wrote is exactly right. I think the biggest issue is how
EAA, or SportAviation, seemed to throw Greg under the bus after
featuring him so prominently. Publishing Van's article kind of said
"What were you thinking?", without letting Greg respond. McClellan's
article kind of did the same thing, calling Van's response "one of the
most important commentaries on amateur-built and kit aircraft in many
years". Really? Like I said before, my respect for Van is enormous
and clearly he's protecting his product, and pointing out some gotchas
for future builders, but "one of the most important commentaries"? I
don't think so.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Chris Colohan wrote:
> As an engineer, I have to be pedantic. So I apologise if my response is
> overly-pedantic...
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Jack Phillips
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I agree with Dave. I looked at Greg's airplane at OSH and was impressed
>> with the workmanship. I was a bit surprised to see that he had doubled
>> the
>> fuel capacity, but I feel that 60 gallons is a pretty minimal fuel load
>> for
>> such an airplane so I can understand why he chose to increase it. Is this
>> an unproven change? Of course it is. These are EXPERIMENTAL aircraft.
>> It
>> is incumbent on us, the builders, to do sufficent testing (that's what the
>> 25 or 40 hour pahse I periodi is for) to prove that our aircraft are safe.
>> If that means flutter testing then so be it.
>
> Testing does not prove a design is safe. It simply proves, that at the test
> points tested, under limited repetitions, the design did not fail. It adds
> some confidence that a design was correctly manufactured, and also that the
> original design calculations were correct.
> Before testing can do any of this, you need a proper design. This may
> include structural analysis, computer simulation, failure testing, etc. For
> an unmodified kit, you are trusting that Van's has done this for you. If
> you modify the kit, it is up to the builder to decide how much additional
> design work is required. For simple, non-safety-critical things you can
> eyeball it. For significant changes, you would probably be better off
> redoing the analysis and simulation work, as it may help catch corner cases
> which testing is likely to miss (or save you from acatastrophictest
> failure).
> When I read Van's article, I simply read it as: "hey, if you modify our
> design this much you need to redo some of the design work to be safe.
> Please either do the design work, or don't modify this much!"
> Testing is rarely a good substitute for design.
>
> Chris
> (FWIW, I think the EAA has come down _way_ too hard on Greg. But the
> resulting discussion this has spawned has been very interesting, and
> educational for me.)
>
>
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
Chris, I was going to respond basically with the same idea, but
you said it far better than I could. I don't think there is
a right side or a wrong side in this debate, but that both
viewpoints have validity. But as you noted, just because
you fly 25 or 40 hours with something it isn't something I'd
consider as a valid test for any airframe change. Even with
good avionics, I felt that 100 hours was about right before
I'd trust the avionics and software....but truthfully, without
a real engineering analysis, a person hasn't even begun to
do the proper homework for a major change. And, if they want
to go by hours of flight as a data point for success of a
change, you really need thousands and thousands of hours
by a bunch of airframes before you can draw a conclusion.
What is structurally OK after 20 hours may not be after 200
or 2000, and without proper engineering analysis, I don't
think you can just call it good or successful without
thousands of airframe hours.
In fact, right now, with 300+ RV-10's flying, we STILL don't
have enough data to really prove without a doubt that the
airframe has had it's weak areas weeded out. There may
be some stress point that proves a problem but we don't
find out until we get some RV-10's with 5,000 hours on
the airframe. I'm not saying that what Greg did isn't
ok for him....it's just not something that Van's can ever
realistically be OK with. The good side is that Greg has
the choice, at least in today's environment.
I do agree with those who think that the EAA and Sport
Aviation went to far, and especially that dope Mac who's
now writing for them. I loved Flying magazine and he fit
in well there....but I just don't think he fits his role
at the EAA. They do us all a disservice by putting him
in that spot. If I were the EAA, I'd tell him to pick up
a rivet gun and build an RV wing, and then get out there
and fly 100 hours in a variety of homebuilts before you
come write for us. He simply doesn't have the perspective
needed for that job. It's apparent when you read that
ridiculous rehash of Greg's plane that is all just
written regurgitation, and see how he says that OTHER
pilots he knows say RV's fly nice. Get off your butt and
fly in some of them Mac...
So I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with either side, just
pointing out again that really, both have realistic
viewpoints for the most part...but that said, you can't
say that the changes were "engineered" properly or that
the have had the requisite amount of testing needed to
really prove that without a doubt they aren't additional
failure points. People take "testing" too lightly
I think sometimes. I laugh my butt off when I see someone
post that "I've flown with this now for 25 hours and
it appears that the software issue is fixed and it's now
rock solid". "Rock Solid" is something that is unlikely
anyway...but 25 hours doesn't make anything rock solid.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 8/19/2011 9:55 AM, Chris Colohan wrote:
> As an engineer, I have to be pedantic. So I apologise if my response is
> overly-pedantic...
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Jack Phillips > wrote:
>
> >
>
> I agree with Dave. I looked at Greg's airplane at OSH and was impressed
> with the workmanship. I was a bit surprised to see that he had
> doubled the
> fuel capacity, but I feel that 60 gallons is a pretty minimal fuel
> load for
> such an airplane so I can understand why he chose to increase it.
> Is this
> an unproven change? Of course it is. These are EXPERIMENTAL
> aircraft. It
> is incumbent on us, the builders, to do sufficent testing (that's
> what the
> 25 or 40 hour pahse I periodi is for) to prove that our aircraft are
> safe.
> If that means flutter testing then so be it.
>
>
> Testing does not prove a design is safe. It simply proves, that at the
> test points tested, under limited repetitions, the design did not fail.
> It adds some confidence that a design was correctly manufactured, and
> also that the original design calculations were correct.
>
> Before testing can do any of this, you need a proper design. This may
> include structural analysis, computer simulation, failure testing, etc.
> For an unmodified kit, you are trusting that Van's has done this for
> you. If you modify the kit, it is up to the builder to decide how much
> additional design work is required. For simple, non-safety-critical
> things you can eyeball it. For significant changes, you would probably
> be better off redoing the analysis and simulation work, as it may help
> catch corner cases which testing is likely to miss (or save you from
> a catastrophic test failure).
>
> When I read Van's article, I simply read it as: "hey, if you modify our
> design this much you need to redo some of the design work to be safe.
> Please either do the design work, or don't modify this much!"
>
> Testing is rarely a good substitute for design.
> Chris
>
> (FWIW, I think the EAA has come down _way_ too hard on Greg. But the
> resulting discussion this has spawned has been very interesting, and
> educational for me.)
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> |
I was looking at that Wi-Fi module they have. Anyone have any details on how they
have it interface with the box?
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B
Dave,
You may want to consider wifi. While the adapter costs more, I believe current
draw is more on the iPad for Bluetooth.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> -->
>
> I'm getting traffic only, because seeing anything else on a Garmin
> isn't possible at this time. If I installed another type of display I
> think I could receive weather and other services. I know of another
> installation using an AFS display that gets some weather.
>
> In the future, I hope to be able to bluetooth the ADS-B data to an
> iPad. NavWorx has a schematic for outputting to a BT device but I
> haven't tried it.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
>>
>> Can you tell us aboutthe services you receive?
>>
>> Rob Kermanj
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Dave Saylor
wrote:
>>
>>> -->
>>>
>>> I had a successful test flight today using NavWorx's ADS600-B.
>>>
>>> I'm using it with the ARINC 429 option feeding a GNS530W. The 530
>>> is set for Traffic Advisory mode, vs. Garmin GTX330 mode. TA uses a
>>> somewhat simplified display with a little less information, but
>>> according to Bill at NavWorx, it's more accurate than 330 mode, for
>>> now.
>>>
>>> NavWorx has been very responsive to a ton of questions from me, and
>>> more than fair when I transposed the antenna connectors
>>> (sszzzztt--don't do that).
>>>
>>> It's pretty cool to see traffic on the screen, several miles away,
>>> and then maneuver around to get close enough to get a visual, and
>>> know right where to look. Like magic.
>>>
>>> Any questions, feel free to call or email, on or off list.
>>>
>>> Dave Saylor
>>> AirCrafters
>>> 140 Aviation Way
>>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 08/19/2011 11:44 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> I was looking at that Wi-Fi module they have. Anyone have any details on how
they have it interface with the box?
This is the unit they are using:
http://www.rovingnetworks.com/WiFi-Serial.php
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
It just connects to the ads600b via rs232
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Dj Merrill wrote:
>
> On 08/19/2011 11:44 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>> I was looking at that Wi-Fi module they have. Anyone have any details on how
they have it interface with the box?
>
> This is the unit they are using:
>
> http://www.rovingnetworks.com/WiFi-Serial.php
>
> -Dj
>
>
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
To Mac's credit, he didn't pretend to know more than he did - he just
regurgitated what he had heard and reasoned based on some trusted
sources. Given the state of public discourse, that's not bad.
I was checking closely because I too liked Mac over at Flying and agree
that the EAA seems like a misfit. Corporate shakeups too often badly
shuffle the talent.
Bill
On 8/19/2011 11:37 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Aviation went to far, and especially that dope Mac who's
> now writing for them. I loved Flying magazine and he fit
> in well there....but I just don't think he fits his role
> at the EAA. They do us all a disservice by putting him
> in that spot. If I were the EAA, I'd tell him to pick up
> a rivet gun and build an RV wing, and then get out there
> and fly 100 hours in a variety of homebuilts before you
> come write for us. He simply doesn't have the perspective
> needed for that job. It's apparent when you read that
> ridiculous rehash of Greg's plane that is all just
> written regurgitation, and see how he says that OTHER
> pilots he knows say RV's fly nice. Get off your butt and
> fly in some of them Mac...
>
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| Subject: | Governor exchange? |
| From: | Jim Ayers <lessdragprod(at)aol.com> |
Hi All,
Want To Trade - New MT Propeller P-860-5 (Wide deck IO-540 engine) governor
for new MT Propeller P-860-3 (Narrow deck IO-540 engine) governor.
I received a call today from Rod Smith, a Bearhawk builder.
Rod has a narrow deck IO-540 engine for his Bearhawk and a new MT Propeller
P-860-5 governor for a wide deck IO-540 engine.
RV-10 builders usually have a Wide deck IO-540 engine and Van sells them th
e P-860-3 governor for a Narrow deck engine.
Rod would like to trade his new P-860-5 governor for a new P-860-3 governor
.
Please contact Rod Smith directly at (970) 201-3173.
Jim Ayers
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| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
That's why your kids are fun to be around and have good social skills.
I'd agree but while credit/debit cards are normal methods of doing
business, Facebook and others aren't really methods of doing
business...other than advertising. So while holding back from credit
cards and such can make your life hard,holding back from Facebook hasn't
hurt me in the least...and it's like I'm voting with my dollars by NOT
going down that route. It IS the world which many live in today, but
for myself and my kids, it isn't, and likely won't be. I'd rather live
in a less busy world of real people, real friends, real activities
rather than armchair activities and basically trying to live my life as
unaffected by these things as I can. The technology of today should be
our slave, and not vice versa.
Tim
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| From: | "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <fritzsch(at)eskimo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
What does facebook offer that email does not offer in terms of
communicating information?
Dave
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dave Fritzsche
> 40813
> Puyallup, WA
> Wings
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
Facebook was the communication tool of choice which Vans Aircraft used to
throw down the gauntlet. Now the immense financial resources and interest
are engaged.
I remain a supporter of improvements to a Great platform. Keep them flying
safely.
John -40600
On Aug 20, 2011 9:13 AM, "Dave Fritzsche (Building)"
wrote:
fritzsch(at)eskimo.com>
>
> What does facebook offer that email does not offer in terms of
> communicating information?
>
> Dave
>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Dave Fritzsche
>> 40813
>> Puyallup, WA
>> Wings
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
| From: | Chris Colohan <rv10(at)colohan.com> |
If any wants to try an alternative (Google+), I'm happy to send you an
invite. Just send me an email at rv10(at)colohan.com and I'll send out the
invite...
Chris
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:30 AM, John Cox wrote:
> Facebook was the communication tool of choice which Vans Aircraft used to
> throw down the gauntlet. Now the immense financial resources and interest
> are engaged.
>
> I remain a supporter of improvements to a Great platform. Keep them flying
> safely.
>
> John -40600
> On Aug 20, 2011 9:13 AM, "Dave Fritzsche (Building)"
> wrote:
> fritzsch(at)eskimo.com>
> >
> > What does facebook offer that email does not offer in terms of
> > communicating information?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >> --
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Dave Fritzsche
> >> 40813
> >> Puyallup, WA
> >> Wings
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > r to browse
> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> min.
>
> >
> >
> >
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Governor exchange? |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
No need to trade or exchange. The-3 or-5 refers to control arm position(six screws)
and max rpm setting. My -3 is set for 2411 rpm which is close to gov gear
rpm on narrow deck engine. .895:1 ratio. My IO-540-D4A5 wide deck ratio is .947:1.
So I am planning on 6 turns ccw on high rpm adj. You may have to loosen
contol arm on splined shaft and rotate one or two splines.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB IO-540 Install.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350080#350080
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| From: | "fehdxlbb(at)gmail.com" <fehdxlbb(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
Dave,
To me, FB is more like a web page that automatically sends update emails
when things change. It also combines picture hosting, texting, emailing,
chatting and invitations into one. So, really, a lot.
My -10 has its own FB page...because its so easy to take pictures on the
phone and one click load them to FB. You should try it.
I'm sure plenty didn't want a car- and later mobile-phone for whatever
reason...now look at us. Change the default settings on FB and you'll be
fine.
Best,
Jim
Jim Beyer
316-213-7093
-----Original message-----
From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" <fritzsch(at)eskimo.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 20, 2011 16:13:15 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
What does facebook offer that email does not offer in terms of
communicating information?
Dave
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dave Fritzsche
> 40813
> Puyallup, WA
> Wings
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the
customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what will
prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with Spacebook. Most
builders want to talk to a live body, even if they have to pay for the phone
call.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
>
> I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been focused more
> on the business enablement side. You would absolutely $#!* your pants if
> you knew how much money Fortune 500 companies are spending to leverage
> social media as a way of conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming.
> I'd love to revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
>
> I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about replacing call
> centers so you don't have to communicate with someone who can't speak
> english. The cost is less to the business and the clients are much happier.
> Vehicles that you drive reporting their health/location to you and also the
> manufacturer who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately
> forward the data to the service center. Home centers that monitor
> everything in the house.
>
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing
possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this
list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least
useful channel of support has been Vans.
I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's for
no particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life enriching
experience of re-connecting with people from college and other places.
People I would never have seen again. If life and work have conspired
to move you away from friends and family, FB can be the glue to put some
of it back together.
The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and so
many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists. FB is
just a generic form of these specialized social networking sites. And
when you lift up the corners of FB, you find many specialized networks
within it.
Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and generally
better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and adapting to
GPS VNAV.
Bill
On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the
> customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what
> will prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with
> Spacebook. Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they
> have to pay for the phone call.
>
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry > wrote:
>
> Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
>
> I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been
> focused more on the business enablement side. You would
> absolutely $#!* your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500
> companies are spending to leverage social media as a way of
> conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming. I'd love to
> revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
>
> I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about
> replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with
> someone who can't speak english. The cost is less to the business
> and the clients are much happier. Vehicles that you drive
> reporting their health/location to you and also the manufacturer
> who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately forward
> the data to the service center. Home centers that monitor
> everything in the house.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
... "The only thing possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans."
Ya, I'd love to hear all the comments from Van regarding us, errr... I
mean youz guyz... cutting sub panel ribs to fit multiple EFIS screens in
our VFR-only aircraft. :)
-Sean #40303 Trying to build and get my IFR rating at the same time.
On 8/21/11 9:07 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing
> possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
>
> I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this
> list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least
> useful channel of support has been Vans.
>
> I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's
> for no particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life
> enriching experience of re-connecting with people from college and
> other places. People I would never have seen again. If life and work
> have conspired to move you away from friends and family, FB can be the
> glue to put some of it back together.
>
> The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and
> so many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists.
> FB is just a generic form of these specialized social networking
> sites. And when you lift up the corners of FB, you find many
> specialized networks within it.
>
> Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and
> generally better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and
> adapting to GPS VNAV.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>> They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the
>> customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what
>> will prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with
>> Spacebook. Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they
>> have to pay for the phone call.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry > > wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
>>
>> I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been
>> focused more on the business enablement side. You would
>> absolutely $#!* your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500
>> companies are spending to leverage social media as a way of
>> conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming. I'd love to
>> revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
>>
>> I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about
>> replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with
>> someone who can't speak english. The cost is less to the business
>> and the clients are much happier. Vehicles that you drive
>> reporting their health/location to you and also the manufacturer
>> who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately
>> forward the data to the service center. Home centers that
>> monitor everything in the house.
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
| From: | Jonathan Beasley <jbeasley(at)nc.rr.com> |
Bill brings up a good point and I have yet to call Vans support line.
Van if you are listening (yes, I know no one is listening) the idea behind
"enterprise" social media is a smart company, like Vans, would invest in an
enterprise platform which allows them to easily combine, consume, monitor,
participate, etc. in all forms of media. The goal is to engage all of their
customers (young and old, high tech and low tech) in their media of choice,
and combine all of information into one (virtual) location to the benefit o
f
everyone=8A at the same time hiding the complexity to both internal users and
external customers.
The good news for those who dislike social media =8B at some point in the
future you can take advantage of social media with out actively
participating=8A at least you won't know you are activity participating. For
the Star Trek fans=8A social media is the Borg and "resistance is futile". I
dislike social media for many reasons (security, lack of direct face-to-fac
e
interaction, virtual world) but=8A resistance is futile.
Jonathan
41236 -- Just starting wings (and waiting to see Bill fly at Lake Ridge)
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:07:29 -0400
Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing
possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this
list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least useful
channel of support has been Vans.
I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's for no
particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life enriching
experience of re-connecting with people from college and other places.
People I would never have seen again. If life and work have conspired to
move you away from friends and family, FB can be the glue to put some of it
back together.
The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and so
many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists. FB is jus
t
a generic form of these specialized social networking sites. And when you
lift up the corners of FB, you find many specialized networks within it.
Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and generally
better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and adapting to GPS
VNAV.
Bill
On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the cust
omers
> insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what will prevail. I
doubt
> Van's will save much on support costs with Spacebook. Most builders want
to
> talk to a live body, even if they have to pay for the phone call.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry wr
ote:
>
>> Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
>>
>> I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been focused m
ore
>> on the business enablement side. You would absolutely $#!* your pants i
f you
>> knew how much money Fortune 500 companies are spending to leverage socia
l
>> media as a way of conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming. I'
d
>> love to revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
>>
>> I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about replacing
call
>> centers so you don't have to communicate with someone who can't speak
>> english. The cost is less to the business and the clients are much happi
er.
>> Vehicles that you drive reporting their health/location to you and also
the
>> manufacturer who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately
>> forward the data to the service center. Home centers that monitor every
thing
>> in the house.
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Facebook and other technology |
I changed the subject since this has moved to a different topic. No need
to keep mentioning Gary=99s story if this thread has nothing to do
with that.
From: Jonathan Beasley
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Bill brings up a good point and I have yet to call Vans support line.
Van if you are listening (yes, I know no one is listening) the idea
behind "enterprise" social media is a smart company, like Vans, would
invest in an enterprise platform which allows them to easily combine,
consume, monitor, participate, etc. in all forms of media. The goal is
to engage all of their customers (young and old, high tech and low tech)
in their media of choice, and combine all of information into one
(virtual) location to the benefit of everyone at the same time
hiding the complexity to both internal users and external customers.
The good news for those who dislike social media =94 at some point
in the future you can take advantage of social media with out actively
participating at least you won't know you are activity
participating. For the Star Trek fans social media is the Borg
and "resistance is futile". I dislike social media for many reasons
(security, lack of direct face-to-face interaction, virtual world)
but resistance is futile.
Jonathan
41236 -- Just starting wings (and waiting to see Bill fly at Lake Ridge)
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:07:29 -0400
Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing
possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this
list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least
useful channel of support has been Vans.
I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's for
no particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life enriching
experience of re-connecting with people from college and other places.
People I would never have seen again. If life and work have conspired
to move you away from friends and family, FB can be the glue to put some
of it back together.
The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and so
many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists. FB is
just a generic form of these specialized social networking sites. And
when you lift up the corners of FB, you find many specialized networks
within it.
Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and generally
better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and adapting to
GPS VNAV.
Bill
On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the
customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what will
prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with Spacebook.
Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they have to pay for
the phone call.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry
wrote:
Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been
focused more on the business enablement side. You would absolutely $#!*
your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500 companies are spending
to leverage social media as a way of conducting business. Like it or
not, Its coming. I'd love to revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and
see where we stand.
I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about
replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with someone who
can't speak english. The cost is less to the business and the clients
are much happier. Vehicles that you drive reporting their
health/location to you and also the manufacturer who can do preventive
analysis on your car and immediately forward the data to the service
center. Home centers that monitor everything in the house.
www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
com
ronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Oil Breather Exit Tube too Short? |
| From: | "jchang10" <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> |
I had a visiting A&P comment that I should try and extend the oil breather tube
exit a bit more. A tiny bit of extension he said would help.
Right now, my exit is a good 2 inches above the bottom of the firewall and cowl
exit area. He thought a lot of oil vapor and general messiness will result in
the bottom of the firewall with the oil breather exit there.
Can anyone commend on their firewall messines? Did anyone try extending theirs?
Jae
40533
Final assembly
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350214#350214
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Specketer" <speckter(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Facebook and other technology |
And it wasn't Gary's story either, Greg's
Gary Specketer
From: Pascal
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Facebook and other technology
I changed the subject since this has moved to a different topic. No need
to keep mentioning Gary=99s story if this thread has nothing to do
with that.
From: Jonathan Beasley
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Bill brings up a good point and I have yet to call Vans support line.
Van if you are listening (yes, I know no one is listening) the idea
behind "enterprise" social media is a smart company, like Vans, would
invest in an enterprise platform which allows them to easily combine,
consume, monitor, participate, etc. in all forms of media. The goal is
to engage all of their customers (young and old, high tech and low tech)
in their media of choice, and combine all of information into one
(virtual) location to the benefit of everyone at the same time
hiding the complexity to both internal users and external customers.
The good news for those who dislike social media =94 at some point
in the future you can take advantage of social media with out actively
participating at least you won't know you are activity
participating. For the Star Trek fans social media is the Borg
and "resistance is futile". I dislike social media for many reasons
(security, lack of direct face-to-face interaction, virtual world)
but resistance is futile.
Jonathan
41236 -- Just starting wings (and waiting to see Bill fly at Lake Ridge)
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:07:29 -0400
Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing
possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this
list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least
useful channel of support has been Vans.
I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's for
no particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life enriching
experience of re-connecting with people from college and other places.
People I would never have seen again. If life and work have conspired
to move you away from friends and family, FB can be the glue to put some
of it back together.
The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and so
many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists. FB is
just a generic form of these specialized social networking sites. And
when you lift up the corners of FB, you find many specialized networks
within it.
Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and generally
better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and adapting to
GPS VNAV.
Bill
On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the
customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what will
prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with Spacebook.
Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they have to pay for
the phone call.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry
wrote:
Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been
focused more on the business enablement side. You would absolutely $#!*
your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500 companies are spending
to leverage social media as a way of conducting business. Like it or
not, Its coming. I'd love to revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and
see where we stand.
I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about
replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with someone who
can't speak english. The cost is less to the business and the clients
are much happier. Vehicles that you drive reporting their
health/location to you and also the manufacturer who can do preventive
analysis on your car and immediately forward the data to the service
center. Home centers that monitor everything in the house.
www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
com
ronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Oil Breather Exit Tube too Short? |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
Mine is as you describe. I expected to see a lot of oil, too, but I'm not.
-Rob
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:21 AM, jchang10 wrote:
>
> I had a visiting A&P comment that I should try and extend the oil breather
> tube exit a bit more. A tiny bit of extension he said would help.
>
> Right now, my exit is a good 2 inches above the bottom of the firewall and
> cowl exit area. He thought a lot of oil vapor and general messiness will
> result in the bottom of the firewall with the oil breather exit there.
>
> Can anyone commend on their firewall messines? Did anyone try extending
> theirs?
>
> Jae
> 40533
> Final assembly
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350214#350214
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Breather Exit Tube too Short? |
He's right. It really should be a couple of inches _/below/_ the bottom
of the firewall. Also, about two inches _/above/_ the bottom of the
firewall, cut a notch in the tube and then use a chisel or other pointy
tool to bend the top of the notch into the tube .... like a whistle.
This will allow the crankcase pressure to escape if the bottom end of
the tube ices over yet keeps the oily stuff out of the cowl.
Linn
On 8/22/2011 11:21 AM, jchang10 wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "jchang10"
>
> I had a visiting A&P comment that I should try and extend the oil breather tube
exit a bit more. A tiny bit of extension he said would help.
>
> Right now, my exit is a good 2 inches above the bottom of the firewall and cowl
exit area. He thought a lot of oil vapor and general messiness will result
in the bottom of the firewall with the oil breather exit there.
>
> Can anyone commend on their firewall messines? Did anyone try extending theirs?
>
> Jae
> 40533
> Final assembly
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350214#350214
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Breather Exit Tube too Short? |
On 8/22/2011 11:46 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> Mine is as you describe. I expected to see a lot of oil, too, but I'm
> not.
Yet. It depends on how tight the rings are. But a little oil keeps
things from rusting. ;-)
Linn
> -Rob
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:21 AM, jchang10 > wrote:
>
> >
>
> I had a visiting A&P comment that I should try and extend the oil
> breather tube exit a bit more. A tiny bit of extension he said
> would help.
>
> Right now, my exit is a good 2 inches above the bottom of the
> firewall and cowl exit area. He thought a lot of oil vapor and
> general messiness will result in the bottom of the firewall with
> the oil breather exit there.
>
> Can anyone commend on their firewall messines? Did anyone try
> extending theirs?
>
> Jae
> 40533
> Final assembly
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350214#350214
> t Un/Subscription,
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
> Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> ====
>
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Facebook and other technology |
My bad there.
On 8/22/2011 11:42 AM, Gary Specketer wrote:
> And it wasn't Gary's story either, Greg's
> Gary Specketer
>
> *From:* Pascal
> *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2011 9:58 AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Facebook and other technology
>
> I changed the subject since this has moved to a different topic. No
> need to keep mentioning Garys story if this thread has nothing to do
> with that.
> *From:* Jonathan Beasley
> *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2011 7:36 AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
> Bill brings up a good point and I have yet to call Vans support line.
> Van if you are listening (yes, I know no one is listening) the idea
> behind "enterprise" social media is a smart company, like Vans, would
> invest in an enterprise platform which allows them to easily combine,
> consume, monitor, participate, etc. in all forms of media. The goal is
> to engage all of their customers (young and old, high tech and low
> tech) in their media of choice, and combine all of information into
> one (virtual) location to the benefit of everyone at the same time
> hiding the complexity to both internal users and external customers.
> The good news for those who dislike social media at some point in
> the future you can take advantage of social media with out actively
> participating at least you won't know you are activity
> participating. For the Star Trek fans social media is the Borg and
> "resistance is futile". I dislike social media for many reasons
> (security, lack of direct face-to-face interaction, virtual world)
> but resistance is futile.
> Jonathan
> 41236 -- Just starting wings (and waiting to see Bill fly at Lake Ridge)
> From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>>
> Reply-To: >
> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:07:29 -0400
> To: >
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
> Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing
> possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
>
> I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this
> list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least
> useful channel of support has been Vans.
>
> I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's
> for no particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life
> enriching experience of re-connecting with people from college and
> other places. People I would never have seen again. If life and work
> have conspired to move you away from friends and family, FB can be the
> glue to put some of it back together.
>
> The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and
> so many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists.
> FB is just a generic form of these specialized social networking
> sites. And when you lift up the corners of FB, you find many
> specialized networks within it.
>
> Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and
> generally better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and
> adapting to GPS VNAV.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>> They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the
>> customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what
>> will prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with
>> Spacebook. Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they
>> have to pay for the phone call.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry > > wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
>>
>> I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been
>> focused more on the business enablement side. You would
>> absolutely $#!* your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500
>> companies are spending to leverage social media as a way of
>> conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming. I'd love to
>> revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
>>
>> I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about
>> replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with
>> someone who can't speak english. The cost is less to the business
>> and the clients are much happier. Vehicles that you drive
>> reporting their health/location to you and also the manufacturer
>> who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately
>> forward the data to the service center. Home centers that
>> monitor everything in the house.
>>
>>
>
> *
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> com
> ronics.com/contribution
>
> *
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
> *
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
> *
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Facebook and other technology |
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
Ken Scott...not to be confused with Ken K. Does Monitor & Relay the
chatter. I would think the VANs Aircraft Kit Company might have chosen more
wisely than facebook and discussion of improvements began here "years ago".
This is just an example how Out of Touch that I am with Social Media
Marketing.
John 40600
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Facebook and other technology |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Yeah, that would be the same person that denies there is any problem with
the nose wheel and axle, that there are any problems with their quick build
QC, any tunnel problem, any problem with the doors, and so on.
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM, John Cox wrote:
> Ken Scott...not to be confused with Ken K. Does Monitor & Relay the
> chatter. I would think the VANs Aircraft Kit Company might have chosen more
> wisely than facebook and discussion of improvements began here "years ago".
>
> This is just an example how Out of Touch that I am with Social Media
> Marketing.
>
> John 40600
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Oil Breather Exit Tube too Short? |
| From: | Sohrab Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> |
Mine is just above the exhaust pipe. Expecting that the drips would burn. So
me still shows up once in a while.
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 22, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Linn Walters wrote
:
> On 8/22/2011 11:46 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
>>
>> Mine is as you describe. I expected to see a lot of oil, too, but I'm no
t.
> Yet. It depends on how tight the rings are. But a little oil keeps thing
s from rusting. ;-)
> Linn
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:21 AM, jchang10 w
rote:
>>
>> I had a visiting A&P comment that I should try and extend the oil breathe
r tube exit a bit more. A tiny bit of extension he said would help.
>>
>> Right now, my exit is a good 2 inches above the bottom of the firewall an
d cowl exit area. He thought a lot of oil vapor and general messiness will r
esult in the bottom of the firewall with the oil breather exit there.
>>
>> Can anyone commend on their firewall messines? Did anyone try extending t
heirs?
>>
>> Jae
>> 40533
>> Final assembly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350214#350214
>> t Un/Subscription,
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>> Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> ====
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rob Kochman
>> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
>> Woodinville, WA
>> http://kochman.net/N819K
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
==========================
=========
==========================
=========
==========================
=========
==========================
=========
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Facebook and other technology |
You folks who are always complaining about the poor quality of Van's kit's and
want improvements should band together and develop/market a kit that meets their
specs. Seems to me there is an opportunity being missed here.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 3:38:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Facebook and other technology
Yeah, that would be the same person that denies there is any problem with the nose
wheel and axle, that there are any problems with their quick build QC, any
tunnel problem, any problem with the doors, and so on.
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM, John Cox < rv10pro(at)gmail.com > wrote:
Ken Scott...not to be confused with Ken K. Does Monitor & Relay the chatter. I
would think the VANs Aircraft Kit Company might have chosen more wisely than facebook
and discussion of improvements began here "years ago".
This is just an example how Out of Touch that I am with Social Media Marketing.
John 40600
get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Facebook and other technology |
I have NO problem with Van's manufactured parts. I do have problems with
QB assemblies that are not built to the plans. Stuff like trailing edge
rivets poorly squeezed instead of driven double flush as plans call for.
Longerons not cut to length, and riveted in place with skin dimpled
without the longeron being countersunk to match. Parts missing. When you
pay an extra $10,000 to have things done, with marketing assuring high
quality construction, and you get quality that A&P instructors would
reject from their students, I think you have a right to bitch. Don't get
me wrong...most of the work is good quality, but the errors on the
remaining 5% leave a sour taste.
On 8/22/2011 1:48 PM, davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net wrote:
> You folks who are always complaining about the poor quality of Van's
> kit's and want improvements should band together and develop/market a
> kit that meets their specs. Seems to me there is an opportunity being
> missed here.
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> Howell, MI
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com>
> *To: *rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 22, 2011 3:38:47 PM
> *Subject: *Re: RV10-List: Facebook and other technology
>
> Yeah, that would be the same person that denies there is any problem
> with the nose wheel and axle, that there are any problems with their
> quick build QC, any tunnel problem, any problem with the doors, and so on.
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM, John Cox > wrote:
>
> Ken Scott...not to be confused with Ken K. Does Monitor & Relay
> the chatter. I would think the VANs Aircraft Kit Company might
> have chosen more wisely than facebook and discussion of
> improvements began here "years ago".
>
> This is just an example how Out of Touch that I am with Social
> Media Marketing.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Replacement Cowl |
| From: | "Eric_Kallio" <scout019(at)msn.com> |
After my upcoming deployment I am pulling the plug on the James cowl as well. Just
not cutting it in the Southern heat. Really looks good, but not worth the
poor performance. Right now I am just using short term fixes to at least kept
the plane flyable. Don't want to delve back into fiberglass, but it needs done.
Eric Kallio
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350275#350275
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| From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)yahoo.ca> |
Hi all
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My wife and I will be in St Helena, Ca from Aug 25 until Sept 1, and then M
ontecito, Ca until Sept 8.- If there are any RV10 builders near those are
as that would like to show off their aircraft or projects, I'd love to see
them.
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I can be reached by this email or by my-Verizon-cell 314-302-4442 after
Aug 24.
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Regards,
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Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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| From: | Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
Didn=92t mean to hit send. Darn iPad=85
Rick, I live in San Luis Obispo 90 miles north of Santa Barbara. If
interested I would love to show you N110EE.
I am leaving for Atlanta tomorrow and will not be back till ~Sept 4th but I
will definitely be in SBP September 5-10 which should work out well for the
end of your trip. That is if you are not overloaded with viewing RV=92s and
drinking California wines. J If the travel is difficult I can also meet you
in Santa Ynez (IZA) a beautiful 25 minute drive from Montecito.
Here is my -10
www.painttheweb.com/rv-10
I also am flying an 8A still unpainted. Attached.
Enjoy your trip. Here is my contact info:
Robin Marks
Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
805.801.8550
N110EE, N880EE
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Lark
*Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2011 8:30 PM
*To:* RV10-list
*Subject:* RV10-List: California trip
Hi all
My wife and I will be in St Helena, Ca from Aug 25 until Sept 1, and then
Montecito, Ca until Sept 8. If there are any RV10 builders near those area
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that would like to show off their aircraft or projects, I'd love to see
them.
I can be reached by this email or by my Verizon cell 314-302-4442 after Aug
24.
Regards,
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Re: The Model 367 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93BiPod?==?ISO-8859-1?Q?=94?= |
hybrid flying car designed by Burt Rut
| From: | "MotoPOD" <MotoPOD(at)gmail.com> |
Some of us lucky RV-10 folks don't need a roadable airplane ;)
Flying Car Substitute
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350291#350291
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| From: | William DeLacey <whd721(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Paint air water separator |
Carl,
Thanks for posting good ideas both your water separator and the air
box. Good ideas I will file away.
On Aug 15, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
> For those of you doing your own painting, attached photo is a water
separator that I find to work well. When painting I add a few blocks of
ice to the water. In the photo the red hose is air in, the orange hose
is air out. The drain valve is connected at the bottom of the vertical
PVC pipe. The vertical pipe acts as a water collector.
>
> Carl
>
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Paint air water separator |
Thanks for the note. Did a marathon paint session last week and finished
the fuselage.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William DeLacey
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint air water separator
Carl,
Thanks for posting good ideas both your water separator and the air box.
Good ideas I will file away.
On Aug 15, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
For those of you doing your own painting, attached photo is a water
separator that I find to work well. When painting I add a few blocks of ice
to the water. In the photo the red hose is air in, the orange hose is air
out. The drain valve is connected at the bottom of the vertical PVC pipe.
The vertical pipe acts as a water collector.
Carl
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| Subject: | Rear seat air vent knobs |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
Years ago someone manufactured and sold some black anodized rear set vent knobs/
handles. It was a small knob that screwed to the vent tab to facilitate opening
and closing of the rear seat push-pull vents.
Does anyone know if they are still available anywhere? I'd like a set...
Thanks
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
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| Subject: | Re: Rear seat air vent knobs |
| From: | "tsts4" <tsts4(at)verizon.net> |
Avery tools: http://www.averytools.com/prodinfo.asp?number=4687
I'm finishing up section 29 and just installed my vents and added those handles.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350414#350414
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| Subject: | Re: Rear seat air vent knobs |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
I made my own out of a rivnut and #8 screw.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB IO-540 Install.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350419#350419
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| From: | "Thane States" <thane2(at)comporium.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rear seat air vent knobs |
I made mine out of 1/2" wood dowel and a wood screw, then painted them
black; cost 20 cents, if you have the dowel.
Thane States
----- Original Message -----
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rear seat air vent knobs
>
> I made my own out of a rivnut and #8 screw.
>
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> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
> Bldr# 40983SB IO-540 Install.
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| Subject: | Oxygen systems and refilling |
| From: | Sheldon Olesen <saolesen(at)sirentel.net> |
I'm planning a trip out to Boise next month and have decided that a portable O2
system would be wise. Any recommendations on systems would be appreciated.
Usage would be sporadic.
My home airport has no FBO and no way to refill an O2 bottle. Is leasing a large
single cylinder of O2 and self filling a viable way to go? Given occassional
usage, would it be smarter to send it to be refilled by an O2 supplier? What
does it cost to refill a 22 cu ft bottle?
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV. 292 hrs
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems and refilling |
| From: | "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net> |
While leasing a large cylinder is certainly viable, it is probably not cost effective
for only occasional use. I leased two 300 cu ft cylinders for 10 years,
and with the cost of the transfill hose and pressure gage, I have about $800
invested. I did it for the convenience, not to save money.
Jim Berry
N15JB
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350441#350441
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems and refilling |
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
Go to your local welding supply house or a medical equip supplier. O2 should be
less expensive from the welder supply house.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Sheldon Olesen wrote:
>
> I'm planning a trip out to Boise next month and have decided that a portable
O2 system would be wise. Any recommendations on systems would be appreciated.
Usage would be sporadic.
>
> My home airport has no FBO and no way to refill an O2 bottle. Is leasing a large
single cylinder of O2 and self filling a viable way to go? Given occassional
usage, would it be smarter to send it to be refilled by an O2 supplier?
What does it cost to refill a 22 cu ft bottle?
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> N475PV. 292 hrs
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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| From: | Phil N <philn(at)toosan.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems and refilling |
Depending on the shop, some scuba shops can fill pure O2. In Columbus, 'breathing
air systems' on East Broad St. will fill them.
Be careful about doing your own fills - I am a 'training advocate' here. As a
long-time diver, I've actually seen the aftermath of an O2 tank explosion. Pure
O2 tanks are prepped, handled and filled much differently than lower PPO2 tanks.
Phil
-------------------------
Original Message:
From: Sheldon Olesen <saolesen(at)sirentel.net>
Cc:
Date: Wednesday, August 24 2011 10:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Oxygen systems and refilling
I'm planning a trip out to Boise next month and have decided that a portable O2
system would be wise. Any recommendations on systems would be appreciated.
Usage would be sporadic.
My home airport has no FBO and no way to refill an O2 bottle. Is leasing a large
single cylinder of O2 and self filling a viable way to go? Given occassional
usage, would it be smarter to send it to be refilled by an O2 supplier? What
does it cost to refill a 22 cu ft bottle?
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV. 292 hrs
Sent from my iPad
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| From: | "carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rear seat air vent knobs |
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
| Subject: | Oxygen systems and refilling |
Why not get a prescription for a medical O2 refill?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil N
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oxygen systems and refilling
Depending on the shop, some scuba shops can fill pure O2. In Columbus,
'breathing air systems' on East Broad St. will fill them.
Be careful about doing your own fills - I am a 'training advocate' here. As
a long-time diver, I've actually seen the aftermath of an O2 tank explosion.
Pure O2 tanks are prepped, handled and filled much differently than lower
PPO2 tanks.
Phil
-------------------------
Original Message:
From: Sheldon Olesen <saolesen(at)sirentel.net>
Cc:
Date: Wednesday, August 24 2011 10:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Oxygen systems and refilling
I'm planning a trip out to Boise next month and have decided that a portable
O2 system would be wise. Any recommendations on systems would be
appreciated. Usage would be sporadic.
My home airport has no FBO and no way to refill an O2 bottle. Is leasing a
large single cylinder of O2 and self filling a viable way to go? Given
occassional usage, would it be smarter to send it to be refilled by an O2
supplier? What does it cost to refill a 22 cu ft bottle?
Sheldon Olesen
N475PV. 292 hrs
Sent from my iPad
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| From: | Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Oxygen systems and refilling |
No reason for getting a Rx for oxygen. We get it delivered to the dental of
fice I share with my daughter and it comes in the same tanks and from the s
ame source as the welding oxygen I have at home. Same thing for nursing hom
es. Only very large hospitals get it delivered in liquid form. Doctor's off
ice=2C nursing home=2C welding shops and FBOs ALL get the same thing. The o
nly difference is the price you pay as a consumer. Been there. Done that. A
ll the above.
> From: dlm34077(at)q.com
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oxygen systems and refilling
> Date: Wed=2C 24 Aug 2011 09:45:24 -0700
>
>
> Why not get a prescription for a medical O2 refill?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil N
> Sent: Wednesday=2C August 24=2C 2011 9:03 AM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oxygen systems and refilling
>
>
> Depending on the shop=2C some scuba shops can fill pure O2. In Columbus
=2C
> 'breathing air systems' on East Broad St. will fill them.
>
> Be careful about doing your own fills - I am a 'training advocate' here.
As
> a long-time diver=2C I've actually seen the aftermath of an O2 tank explo
sion.
> Pure O2 tanks are prepped=2C handled and filled much differently than low
er
> PPO2 tanks.
>
> Phil
>
>
> -------------------------
> Original Message:
> From: Sheldon Olesen <saolesen(at)sirentel.net>
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Cc:
> Date: Wednesday=2C August 24 2011 10:59 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Oxygen systems and refilling
>
> I'm planning a trip out to Boise next month and have decided that a porta
ble
> O2 system would be wise. Any recommendations on systems would be
> appreciated. Usage would be sporadic.
>
> My home airport has no FBO and no way to refill an O2 bottle. Is leasing
a
> large single cylinder of O2 and self filling a viable way to go? Given
> occassional usage=2C would it be smarter to send it to be refilled by an
O2
> supplier? What does it cost to refill a 22 cu ft bottle?
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> N475PV. 292 hrs
>
> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Fwd: B: Tire Tube Test for Goodyear |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
I don't know if Goodyear would consider something besides a
Bonanza....I think some of the RV-10 fleet up north maybe more active
than the forked tail crowd. In any case, good info of new tube
availability, probably next year.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: John W. Wiebener <weebsf16(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 8:03 PM
Subject: B: Tire Tube Test for Goodyear
Fellow Beechlisters - this from my good friend Dick Delagrange from Goodyear
(who has been a B2OSH supporter for many years!):
John,
We have new tubes coming out shortly that employ a combination of the air
retention capabilities of Buytl and the tenacity of Natural rubber. These
tubes are fully approved and are superior to the butyl tube in cold
temperature operations and durability. Sizes are 7.00/8.00x6 TR20 & 5.00x5
TR67 Tubes.
We are looking for a few operators who can mount these tubes on wing this
fall and report back to us in the spring with their results. Tubes are
Free of Charge.
Target group is about a half dozen bonanza drivers to install the tubes
this fall and provide us feed back in the spring. It's important that we
place the tubes on aircraft that are fairly active. Additionally we prefer
testing in cold weather and lots of cycles.
Richard "Dick" Delagrange
Central Region Sales Manager
Goodyear Aviation Tires
Phone: 972.677.7100
FAX: 972.677.7102
dick_delagrange(at)goodyear.com
Please respond directly to Dick offlist with your information if you are
interested in participating. I know we all want something for free - but
Dick really needs a target audience from the northern tier that flies
frequently. Thinking Ward Anderson, Marc Charron, Dave VanHorn, etc..
Just the messenger, not the message. But this is a good thing!!
John "Weebs" Wiebener
Edgewood, NM (1N1)
V-35A D-8780 N111GS
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| Subject: | Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
| From: | "kevino" <kevino(at)worldwarehouse.com> |
Am about to order the navworx ads600b interfacing to my afs4500. Matt any surprises
on your install? Question has come up on the my transponder sending a target
to the navworx. I have an older KT76 analog transponder. Is there going to
be an issue with having a target out there that I cannot eliminate. I have a
call into Bill Moffit. Anybody else have this issue?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350544#350544
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| Subject: | Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
I suspect that may be an issue. Everyone I know that has an ADS600-B also has
a Garmin transponder, which can suppress yourself via a dedicated serial connection.
Without this circuit, I suspect you'll always have a ghost target chasing
you.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:22 AM, "kevino" wrote:
>
> Am about to order the navworx ads600b interfacing to my afs4500. Matt any surprises
on your install? Question has come up on the my transponder sending a target
to the navworx. I have an older KT76 analog transponder. Is there going
to be an issue with having a target out there that I cannot eliminate. I have
a call into Bill Moffit. Anybody else have this issue?
>
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| From: | Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com> |
I rarely use my oxygen because it's just a pain to worry about filling up,
but having a constant portable source would add lots of options.
Has anyone considered experimenting with an oxygen concentrator?
They make gadgets these days that take the 20% O2 in the atmosphere
and output 90% O2.
EAA recently published a blurb about this company:
http://www.oxyfly.com/
their gear weights 24 kg and are massive in size but there are some other
solutions out therefor health care that will do 0.9 liters per
minute(although they say something about 5 LPM) and only weigh 6 lbs:
http://www.invacare.com/doc_files/07-067.pdf for about $3k.
Looking at Aerox's web page you need about 0.65 LPM at 18,000 per person.
Of course this gadget is only rated to work at up to 10,000 feet but it
could potentially still put out some oxygen at 18000. I'm not sure if the
concentration or the flow rate or both would suffer at altitude and how
much... Does anyone have emphysemic friend willing to let us do some
testing?
Food for thought anyway...
VR,
Bill
N84WJ, RV-8, 655 hrs, KSEE based
rv-8.blogspot.com
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
At 07:22 AM 8/25/2011 Thursday, you wrote:
>
>Am about to order the navworx ads600b interfacing to my afs4500. Matt any surprises
on your install? Question has come up on the my transponder sending a target
to the navworx. I have an older KT76 analog transponder. Is there going to
be an issue with having a target out there that I cannot eliminate. I have a
call into Bill Moffit. Anybody else have this issue?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350544#350544
Hi Kevin,
Well, I've got it mounted in the new RV-8, but I haven't started wiring yet...
Matt
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Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
Bill,
I played around with an O2 concentrator (or whatever it's called) at OSH
this year. The unit was repurposed from a medical application. The pricing
was ~$2500 ish which seamed high to me but I guess they are use to getting
"medical" cash for their products kind of like stamping Aviation on parts. I
think the unit serviced two (but not 100% sure) and had altitude
limitations. It was small and relatively light weight but in the end for me
I thought it was too much of a leap at this time and would hope someone is
working on one specifically designed for aircraft. I liked the idea in
concept but their offering was not a complete solution IMHO.
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Aug 25, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Bill Judge wrote:
I rarely use my oxygen because it's just a pain to worry about filling up,
but having a constant portable source would add lots of options.
Has anyone considered experimenting with an oxygen concentrator?
They make gadgets these days that take the 20% O2 in the atmosphere
and output 90% O2.
EAA recently published a blurb about this company:
http://www.oxyfly.com/
their gear weights 24 kg and are massive in size but there are some other
solutions out therefor health care that will do 0.9 liters per
minute(although they say something about 5 LPM) and only weigh 6 lbs:
http://www.invacare.com/doc_files/07-067.pdf for about $3k.
Looking at Aerox's web page you need about 0.65 LPM at 18,000 per person.
Of course this gadget is only rated to work at up to 10,000 feet but it
could potentially still put out some oxygen at 18000. I'm not sure if the
concentration or the flow rate or both would suffer at altitude and how
much... Does anyone have emphysemic friend willing to let us do some
testing?
Food for thought anyway...
VR,
Bill
N84WJ, RV-8, 655 hrs, KSEE based
rv-8.blogspot.com
*
*
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| From: | Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
The concentrators aren't really effective if there's little oxygen
available for concentrating, hence the altitude restriction. They
typically work by removing the nitrogen from the air.
I doubt there would be enough oxygen available where we legally need it.
Linn
On 8/25/2011 1:16 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> Bill,
> I played around with an O2 concentrator (or whatever it's called) at
> OSH this year. The unit was repurposed from a medical application. The
> pricing was ~$2500 ish which seamed high to me but I guess they are
> use to getting "medical" cash for their products kind of like stamping
> Aviation on parts. I think the unit serviced two (but not 100% sure)
> and had altitude limitations. It was small and relatively light weight
> but in the end for me I thought it was too much of a leap at this time
> and would hope someone is working on one specifically designed for
> aircraft. I liked the idea in concept but their offering was not a
> complete solution IMHO.
>
> Robin
>
> Sent from my iPad2.
>
> On Aug 25, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Bill Judge > wrote:
>
>> I rarely use my oxygen because it's just a pain to worry about
>> filling up, but having a constant portable source would add lots of
>> options.
>>
>> Has anyone considered experimenting with an oxygen concentrator?
>>
>> They make gadgets these days that take the 20% O2 in the atmosphere
>> and output 90% O2.
>>
>> EAA recently published a blurb about this company:
>> http://www.oxyfly.com/
>> their gear weights 24 kg and are massive in size but there are some
>> other solutions out therefor health care that will do 0.9 liters per
>> minute(although they say something about 5 LPM) and only weigh 6 lbs:
>>
>> http://www.invacare.com/doc_files/07-067.pdf for about $3k.
>>
>> Looking at Aerox's web page you need about 0.65 LPM at 18,000 per person.
>>
>> Of course this gadget is only rated to work at up to 10,000 feet but
>> it could potentially still put out some oxygen at 18000. I'm not sure
>> if the concentration or the flow rate or both would suffer at
>> altitude and how much... Does anyone have emphysemic friend willing
>> to let us do some testing?
>>
>> Food for thought anyway...
>>
>> VR,
>> Bill
>> N84WJ, RV-8, 655 hrs, KSEE based
>> rv-8.blogspot.com <http://rv-8.blogspot.com>
>>
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>> rums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
| From: | "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com> |
Here's a better idea! To save weight on an oxygen system, why don't we use our
body's ability to acclimatize to higher altitudes.
This company makes a mountain air generator, it removes oxygen from the air.
http://www.higherpeak.com/mag-7.html
So when you're not flying you spend some time at altitude, at home. Then 15,000
ft is no longer a problem... may not be legal, but you can always carry an empty
oxygen bottle with you :)
On a more serious note, i talked to Innogen at OSH. They have a concentrator that
is good to about 15,000 ft. At that altitude there's still almost 12% oxygen.
Oxygen concentrators use a a microporous mineral called zeolite, which traps
nitrogen molecules. It gets saturated in about 20 seconds, so they need to backwash
it to clean the trapped nitrogen out. Then they store the about 93% oxygen.
Innogen's system weighs about 7 lbs and it's battery operated. Also runs on 12V
though. The bigger problem is that it only makes 1L/min oxygen and it's for
only a single person. That makes it expensive.
Found a chinese company that makes a similar one for $1500, puts out 5L/min, pulse
demand, weighs 7 pounds, but it sucks up 40Amps at 12V. Uggghhh.
Lenny
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350569#350569
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
I've been struggling with what to get for an oxy setup for some time.
Having never used any system before makes it even tougher. Of course
I'd really like the MH 4ip, but I cannot bring myself to spend the $6500
on it. I've thought of even purchasing a couple of MH's O2D2 portable
pulse demand systems which would be about a couple grand less than the 4ip.
Anyone have recommendations on a good portable system? I've seen that
archive chats about it but was wondering if there are more options since
then. Other than training my body for 15,000ft. :)
-Sean #40303 (wiring and prepping for my IFR training x-country)
On 8/25/11 1:45 PM, Lenny Iszak wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lenny Iszak"
>
> Here's a better idea! To save weight on an oxygen system, why don't we use our
body's ability to acclimatize to higher altitudes.
> This company makes a mountain air generator, it removes oxygen from the air.
>
> http://www.higherpeak.com/mag-7.html
>
> So when you're not flying you spend some time at altitude, at home. Then 15,000
ft is no longer a problem... may not be legal, but you can always carry an
empty oxygen bottle with you :)
>
>
> On a more serious note, i talked to Innogen at OSH. They have a concentrator
that is good to about 15,000 ft. At that altitude there's still almost 12% oxygen.
Oxygen concentrators use a a microporous mineral called zeolite, which traps
nitrogen molecules. It gets saturated in about 20 seconds, so they need to
backwash it to clean the trapped nitrogen out. Then they store the about 93%
oxygen.
> Innogen's system weighs about 7 lbs and it's battery operated. Also runs on 12V
though. The bigger problem is that it only makes 1L/min oxygen and it's for
only a single person. That makes it expensive.
>
> Found a chinese company that makes a similar one for $1500, puts out 5L/min,
pulse demand, weighs 7 pounds, but it sucks up 40Amps at 12V. Uggghhh.
>
> Lenny
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350569#350569
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
I spent quite a bit of time looking at a variety of vendor solutions at OSH
this year.
I ended up making two decisions after spending a significant amount of time
studying the options.
1. I've got to get flying first, then Phase 1. I will probably not need O2
for a year, so I don't need to buy right now. I need to focus on getting
everything finished. This delays the expense for probably a year.
2. As much as I would like the MH 4ip, I can't afford it at the moment.
Two kids in college, and what seems to be a money pit in getting the RV-10
finish has drained the bank account. Fortunately, with MH, you can buy the
low end system to start, then upgrade as the need demands or budget
supports. By the bottle and cannulas now, add a pulse demand regulator
and new cannulas when you can afford it. If you win the lottery, then
splurge and get the 4ip.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oxygen systems
I've been struggling with what to get for an oxy setup for some time.
Having never used any system before makes it even tougher. Of course I'd
really like the MH 4ip, but I cannot bring myself to spend the $6500 on it.
I've thought of even purchasing a couple of MH's O2D2 portable pulse demand
systems which would be about a couple grand less than the 4ip.
Anyone have recommendations on a good portable system? I've seen that
archive chats about it but was wondering if there are more options since
then. Other than training my body for 15,000ft. :)
-Sean #40303 (wiring and prepping for my IFR training x-country)
On 8/25/11 1:45 PM, Lenny Iszak wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lenny
> --> Iszak"
>
> Here's a better idea! To save weight on an oxygen system, why don't we use
our body's ability to acclimatize to higher altitudes.
> This company makes a mountain air generator, it removes oxygen from the
air.
>
> http://www.higherpeak.com/mag-7.html
>
> So when you're not flying you spend some time at altitude, at home.
> Then 15,000 ft is no longer a problem... may not be legal, but you can
> always carry an empty oxygen bottle with you :)
>
>
> On a more serious note, i talked to Innogen at OSH. They have a
concentrator that is good to about 15,000 ft. At that altitude there's still
almost 12% oxygen. Oxygen concentrators use a a microporous mineral called
zeolite, which traps nitrogen molecules. It gets saturated in about 20
seconds, so they need to backwash it to clean the trapped nitrogen out. Then
they store the about 93% oxygen.
> Innogen's system weighs about 7 lbs and it's battery operated. Also runs
on 12V though. The bigger problem is that it only makes 1L/min oxygen and
it's for only a single person. That makes it expensive.
>
> Found a chinese company that makes a similar one for $1500, puts out
5L/min, pulse demand, weighs 7 pounds, but it sucks up 40Amps at 12V.
Uggghhh.
>
> Lenny
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350569#350569
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
You and I are in the same boat or rv. O2 next year fly this year.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB IO-540 Install.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350587#350587
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
Just ahead of Irene, Tigressa flew. Yaaay!!
Time break it in, tune it up, and fly the hell out of it!
Bill "feeling fine" Watson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
Congratulations! Hopefully you aren't anywhere near Irene's path.
On 8/26/2011 2:12 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Just ahead of Irene, Tigressa flew. Yaaay!!
>
> Time break it in, tune it up, and fly the hell out of it!
>
> Bill "feeling fine" Watson
>
>
> _
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| From: | "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
Hey Bill,
Yaaay!!! Huge understatement!
Pictures, videos?
Come see us.
Later, - Lew "hoping Irene is mostlly talking heads hype"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:12 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time
>
> Just ahead of Irene, Tigressa flew. Yaaay!!
>
> Time break it in, tune it up, and fly the hell out of it!
>
> Bill "feeling fine" Watson
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
Congratulations Bill! Enjoy!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Just ahead of Irene, Tigressa flew. Yaaay!!
>
> Time break it in, tune it up, and fly the hell out of it!
>
> Bill "feeling fine" Watson
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
| From: | Seano <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
Congrats Bill!
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 26, 2011, at 15:12, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Just ahead of Irene, Tigressa flew. Yaaay!!
>
> Time break it in, tune it up, and fly the hell out of it!
>
> Bill "feeling fine" Watson
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Specketer" <speckter(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
Congratulations, now get it to a safe place for the storm.
Gary
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 4:12 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time
>
> Just ahead of Irene, Tigressa flew. Yaaay!!
>
> Time break it in, tune it up, and fly the hell out of it!
>
> Bill "feeling fine" Watson
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
Congratulations!
Wayne "Almost there too" Gillispie
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350676#350676
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| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
| From: | "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net> |
Way to go Bill! Send photos and a report after you have dealt with Irene.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - Need to start panel
Rest almost done
Breathing too much fiberglass dust
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350681#350681
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
| From: | "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net> |
>From an economy standpoint you can't beat the portables. Since O2 is cheap (and
available at Home Depot) I don't think I can cost justify the demand regulators.
Though I have plumbed lines to the pax, it is optional for them, not the
pilot.
You can get a pulse oximeter on line for under $75 and I would highly recommend
it. The CO monitor folks now have a combined CO meter and pulse oximeter, but
it is a bit pricey at $800 if I remember correctly. Kinda cool - just stick
your finger in the panel.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - Need to start panel
Rest almost done
Breathing too much fiberglass dust
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350684#350684
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| Subject: | Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
| From: | "nukeflyboy" <flymoore(at)charter.net> |
For what it is worth I had an interesting conversation with the Garmin rep at OSH.
I am getting the G3X system and I mentioned that I was looking at the NavWorx
ADS-B and he advised me not to. We already know that Garmin will not interface
with the NavWorx. He said just wait a couple months to see what Garmin
is releasing which will "blow the socks off the competition". If you don't mind
feeding the 600 pound gorilla and you have a Garmin EFIS, then you may want
to wait.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - Need to start panel
Rest almost done
Breathing too much fiberglass dust
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350686#350686
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
At 04:23 PM 8/26/2011 Friday, you wrote:
>
>Garmin is releasing which will "blow the socks off the competition".
I think what the rep meant was the *price* will blow your socks off...
Matt
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
Just my two bits.
If you are older (like over 55) you should be using oxygen especially here in the
West. I am amazed at the number of people especially older people, who do not
routinely use O2. I have an Aerox 2 pax system that uses the canulas.
I recently did a long trip up to Kalispell MT. Up at 13.5 and back at 12.5. It
was a killer trip back - four hrs and forty five minutes. Without O2, I would
have been wasted.
I also feel that you should also have a blood Oximeter to monitor your blood-O2.
Without the Oximeter you really do not know what you are getting. Kinda like
driving without a speedometer. I find that as I get older that the O2 keeps
me sharper and more alert. I have also found that I need more O2 than indicated
on the flowmeter. Using the Oximeter tells me exactly what my oxygen needs are....
Set your baseline at home and keep it close to that at altitude.
--------
See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350694#350694
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| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
If you purchase a cheap finger meter I strongly suggest you keep it in
a ziploc bag with the battery removed. Insert the battery when you
need to use the unit. If you leave the battery in expect a 99% chance
of the battery being dead. Also some of those units take a $6-9.00
battery. Plan ahead, it's useless with no power.
Ask me how I know,
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:20 PM, "nukeflyboy" wrote:
>
>> From an economy standpoint you can't beat the portables. Since O2 is cheap
(and available at Home Depot) I don't think I can cost justify the demand regulators.
Though I have plumbed lines to the pax, it is optional for them, not
the pilot.
> You can get a pulse oximeter on line for under $75 and I would highly recommend
it. The CO monitor folks now have a combined CO meter and pulse oximeter,
but it is a bit pricey at $800 if I remember correctly. Kinda cool - just stick
your finger in the panel.
>
> --------
> Dave Moore
> RV-6 flying
> RV-10 QB - Need to start panel
> Rest almost done
> Breathing too much fiberglass dust
>
> you
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350684#350684
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Pulse oximeters are available at Walgreens and other drug stores these
days for under $50.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 4:12 PM, nukeflyboy wrote:
>
> >From an economy standpoint you can't beat the portables. Since O2 is cheap (and
available at Home Depot) I don't think I can cost justify the demand regulators.
Though I have plumbed lines to the pax, it is optional for them, not the
pilot.
> You can get a pulse oximeter on line for under $75 and I would highly recommend
it. The CO monitor folks now have a combined CO meter and pulse oximeter, but
it is a bit pricey at $800 if I remember correctly. Kinda cool - just stick
your finger in the panel.
>
> --------
> Dave Moore
> RV-6 flying
> RV-10 QB - Need to start panel
> Rest almost done
> Breathing too much fiberglass dust
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350684#350684
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Not to mention nuking your overall project budget. ;-(
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> At 04:23 PM 8/26/2011 Friday, you wrote:
>>
>>Garmin is releasing which will "blow the socks off the competition".
>
> I think what the rep meant was the *price* will blow your socks off...
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
> -
> Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
I like!
Thanks all. As many have said before, it's worth it.
Bill "the pics don't show proof but believe...." Watson
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150270042281127.325913.601806126&l=03397c5410&type=1
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
Hey Bill,
Nice, Nice, Nice !!! Paint, grin, sweetie, etc. I love the camera angle
that makes the FWF look about a mile long.
Compare and contrast to the Maul?
Later, - Lew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time
>
> I like!
>
> Thanks all. As many have said before, it's worth it.
>
> Bill "the pics don't show proof but believe...." Watson
>
> http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150270042281127.325913.601806126&l=03397c5410&type=1
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
Congrats. What a fun day. When does #002 come off the line?
Dr Fred
370 hrs
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
There's no meaningful comparison to the Maule. First I have to say that
it's been a blast using the Maule to commute between 8NC8 and KHNZ to
assemble and fly the '10. With the pilot door removed, the 6:00 am (now
7:00am) flights have been some of the best in the Maule in a long time.
On my first takeoff, both my Tech advisor and spouse were surprised at
how quickly I got off...they said it seemed shorter than the Maule. I
know it was a bit longer but a lot faster. I had done a quick power
loading comparision in my head and think there's a 20 or 30% advantage
for the '10. Will check on paper but that's what it felt like.
As I had expected, the '10 is easier to fly than the Maule and I don't
expect that perception to change. A lightly (wing) loaded, short
coupled 180hp tailwheel plane can keep you busy near the ground.
Two things I worried about on the first test flight was 1) compensating
for the IO-540's torque and 2) trim. The familiarity flight I took the
day before in Ken Barto's '10 cleared that up. Yes, more torque, but
fewer moving parts than a tailwheel crosswind takeoff in an 180hp
Maule. Yes, I had little idea where the trim should be initially but it
doesn't matter. The controls are light enough the '10 can be flown out
of trim quite easily until things are dialed in. An out of trim takeoff
in the Maule will build strong muscles and ducking below the glare
shield to fix it takes practice.
We noticed that the Maule didn't look sad at all sitting on the ramp
while her replacement was wheeled on the ramp. Tail wheel Maules stand
tall and proud no matter what!
Bill "driving around the edge of Irene to do some tuning on Tigressa" Watson
On 8/27/2011 7:57 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> Nice, Nice, Nice !!! Paint, grin, sweetie, etc. I love the camera
> angle that makes the FWF look about a mile long.
>
> Compare and contrast to the Maul?
>
> Later, - Lew
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:31 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time
>
>
>>
>> I like!
>>
>> Thanks all. As many have said before, it's worth it.
>>
>> Bill "the pics don't show proof but believe...." Watson
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150270042281127.325913.601806126&l=03397c5410&type=1
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
Proof enough for me. Good looking plane. From what I can tell you did
a nice job on the details.
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> I like!
>
> Thanks all. As many have said before, it's worth it.
>
> Bill "the pics don't show proof but believe...." Watson
>
> http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150270042281127.325913.601806126&l=03397c5410&type=1
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
If there's a second, I'll need the epidural...
On 8/27/2011 8:34 AM, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote:
>
>
> Congrats. What a fun day. When does #002 come off the line?
>
> Dr Fred
> 370 hrs
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
Way to go, Bill! So the first of the RTP area RV-10's flies! Jonathon
Bryant will be next, with me bringing up the rear in a few years.
Jack Phillips
#40610
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:12 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time
Just ahead of Irene, Tigressa flew. Yaaay!!
Time break it in, tune it up, and fly the hell out of it!
Bill "feeling fine" Watson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Jessen <n212pj(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
Bill, congratulations!
... by phone
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Circuit Protection |
At 10:18 AM 8/24/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>I won't be writing the check for awhile, but I'm looking really hard at using
the VP-X for circuit protection with a few exceptions now that Dynon Skyview is
compatible. A little spendy, but I like the features and wiring simplifications
it offers. An electrical whiz I ain't. Any personal experience out there
I can tap into? So far I haven't seen anything I would call really negative,
but I'm going to have to raise my confidence level a bit more before I lock
in a decision. In the meantime, I occasionally take a break from hammers and
hacksaws and spend some time on electrical schematics. Good mental exercise,
but I'd like to minimize the iterations.
>
>Stan Loer
>RV-8 QB
Hi Stan,
You might want to seriously consider the Vertical Power VP-200 system over the
VP-x. Its a fair amount more expensive, but it adds a LOT of additional functionality.
Depending on your compliment of accessories, the VP-200 will almost
completely eliminate the need for SWITCHES of any kind. This makes for a really
clean panel. I've flow with the VP-200 in my RV-8 for 170 hours and haven't
had a single issue with it and frankly can't imagine flying without it.
The VP-x uses the same electronic breaker technology found in the VP-200, but still
requires individual, low current switches to switch the various circuits
on and off (e.g. landing light, etc.). With the VP-200, all of that is done automatically
based on the autodetected mode of flight (Taxi, Runup, Takeoff, Cruse,
etc). Basically, you get in the plane, push the "ON" button, and you never
have to think about switches again. You can still manually select the mode
and/or manually turn individually turn circuits on/off if you need to. Love
it.
I highly recommend the VP-200 system from Vertical Power.
Matt
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RV7-List: Re: Circuit Protection |
I was one of the early adopters of the VP system, though -- being a working
stiff, I ended up going with the VP-50, since discontinued in favor of the
VPX. The principle is certainly the same, so you may want to look at this
article I wrote:
http://rvbuildershotline.com/articles/2010/vp50.html
The biggest thing I like about it is I - like you- am not an electrical
engineer and I didn't want my panel loaded up with circuit breakers. The VP
system is simple: Wire to it with the supplied wire, configure, done.
As far as the VP-200, yeah, if you've got the trust fund, it's definitely
the way to go (g). It's a wonderful piece of machinery. Here's some
background an interview I did with Marc when it first came on the scene:
http://rvbuildershotline.com/articles/2008/vertical_power.html
The service from VP is top notch. It's a great company. There's nothing I
can think of that I would say to dissuade you from going that route.
Bob Collins
RV-7A
St. Paul, MN.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:57 AM
rv7-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV7-List: Re: Circuit Protection
--> RV7-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
At 10:18 AM 8/24/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>I won't be writing the check for awhile, but I'm looking really hard at
using the VP-X for circuit protection with a few exceptions now that Dynon
Skyview is compatible. A little spendy, but I like the features and wiring
simplifications it offers. An electrical whiz I ain't. Any personal
experience out there I can tap into? So far I haven't seen anything I would
call really negative, but I'm going to have to raise my confidence level a
bit more before I lock in a decision. In the meantime, I occasionally take
a break from hammers and hacksaws and spend some time on electrical
schematics. Good mental exercise, but I'd like to minimize the iterations.
>
>Stan Loer
>RV-8 QB
Hi Stan,
You might want to seriously consider the Vertical Power VP-200 system over
the VP-x. Its a fair amount more expensive, but it adds a LOT of additional
functionality. Depending on your compliment of accessories, the VP-200 will
almost completely eliminate the need for SWITCHES of any kind. This makes
for a really clean panel. I've flow with the VP-200 in my RV-8 for 170
hours and haven't had a single issue with it and frankly can't imagine
flying without it.
The VP-x uses the same electronic breaker technology found in the VP-200,
but still requires individual, low current switches to switch the various
circuits on and off (e.g. landing light, etc.). With the VP-200, all of
that is done automatically based on the autodetected mode of flight (Taxi,
Runup, Takeoff, Cruse, etc). Basically, you get in the plane, push the "ON"
button, and you never have to think about switches again. You can still
manually select the mode and/or manually turn individually turn circuits
on/off if you need to. Love it.
I highly recommend the VP-200 system from Vertical Power.
Matt
-
Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RE: RV7-List: Re: Circuit Protection |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
I agree with both replies so far. The VP system simplifies wiring in a huge way.
The VP-200 is fantastic for simplifying the pilot's workload, if you can afford
it. The VP-X, while I haven't tried it yet, is similar in functionality
to the VP-50 and VP-100, which are both discontinued. I have been extremely
happy with them. Marc is great to work with and the VP system in general gives
you much more control over and information in your electrical system. It may
seem expensive, but the things that it saves you (relay decks, flap positioning
system, etc.) probably completely pay for it.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Aug 27, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Bob Collins wrote:
>
>
> I was one of the early adopters of the VP system, though -- being a working
> stiff, I ended up going with the VP-50, since discontinued in favor of the
> VPX. The principle is certainly the same, so you may want to look at this
> article I wrote:
>
> http://rvbuildershotline.com/articles/2010/vp50.html
>
> The biggest thing I like about it is I - like you- am not an electrical
> engineer and I didn't want my panel loaded up with circuit breakers. The VP
> system is simple: Wire to it with the supplied wire, configure, done.
>
> As far as the VP-200, yeah, if you've got the trust fund, it's definitely
> the way to go (g). It's a wonderful piece of machinery. Here's some
> background an interview I did with Marc when it first came on the scene:
>
>
> http://rvbuildershotline.com/articles/2008/vertical_power.html
>
> The service from VP is top notch. It's a great company. There's nothing I
> can think of that I would say to dissuade you from going that route.
>
> Bob Collins
> RV-7A
> St. Paul, MN.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:57 AM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com; rv10-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com;
> rv7-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: Re: Circuit Protection
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> At 10:18 AM 8/24/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>> I won't be writing the check for awhile, but I'm looking really hard at
> using the VP-X for circuit protection with a few exceptions now that Dynon
> Skyview is compatible. A little spendy, but I like the features and wiring
> simplifications it offers. An electrical whiz I ain't. Any personal
> experience out there I can tap into? So far I haven't seen anything I would
> call really negative, but I'm going to have to raise my confidence level a
> bit more before I lock in a decision. In the meantime, I occasionally take
> a break from hammers and hacksaws and spend some time on electrical
> schematics. Good mental exercise, but I'd like to minimize the iterations.
>>
>> Stan Loer
>> RV-8 QB
>
>
> Hi Stan,
>
> You might want to seriously consider the Vertical Power VP-200 system over
> the VP-x. Its a fair amount more expensive, but it adds a LOT of additional
> functionality. Depending on your compliment of accessories, the VP-200 will
> almost completely eliminate the need for SWITCHES of any kind. This makes
> for a really clean panel. I've flow with the VP-200 in my RV-8 for 170
> hours and haven't had a single issue with it and frankly can't imagine
> flying without it.
>
> The VP-x uses the same electronic breaker technology found in the VP-200,
> but still requires individual, low current switches to switch the various
> circuits on and off (e.g. landing light, etc.). With the VP-200, all of
> that is done automatically based on the autodetected mode of flight (Taxi,
> Runup, Takeoff, Cruse, etc). Basically, you get in the plane, push the "ON"
> button, and you never have to think about switches again. You can still
> manually select the mode and/or manually turn individually turn circuits
> on/off if you need to. Love it.
>
> I highly recommend the VP-200 system from Vertical Power.
>
> Matt
>
>
> -
> Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ray allen potentiometer flap indicator |
| From: | "billz" <billz(at)roadrunner.com> |
I like this simple solution to mounting the POS-12. It is inside the airplane
(keeping it out of the weather) and easily accessible for maintenance. This is
my implementation(see attached picture). To get the 1 inch travel, I found
that having the arm attached close to the outside of the flap tube worked well.
I just bent a piece of scrap aluminum, drilling a hole close to the flap tube.
I used a 4-40 bolt (with loctite on the nuts) and a short piece of plastic
spacer material (from Lowes). This eliminated possible interference between
the POS-12 arm and the metal tab. To keep it even simpler, I just placed the
angle bracket under the cushion clamp and it seems to work fine. (No drilling
in the flap tube.) The total travel of the POS-12 is just about 1 inch of the
total 1.2 in available. The comment was made that this provided a non-linear
representation of the actual flap extension. This is true, but I'll be calibrating
it for the VP-X display with actual flap position measurements that should
be close enough. Remember, many folks don't even bother with flap position
information, relying on their eyeball measurement by looking out the window.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350846#350846
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1417_171.jpg
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| From: | John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
Great smile. Both of you.
Congratulations!
JOhn G.
> Date: Fri=2C 26 Aug 2011 23:31:08 -0400
> From: Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Today=2C N215TG flew for the first time
>
>
> I like!
>
> Thanks all. As many have said before=2C it's worth it.
>
> Bill "the pics don't show proof but believe...." Watson
>
> http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150270042281127.325913.60180
6126&l=03397c5410&type=1
>
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| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
| From: | pilotdds <pilotdds(at)aol.com> |
not an Rv-10 but 802xd flew today baby brother to 728 dd .802xd is a Rv-8 v
ans sure knows how to design airplanespics to follow
-----Original Message-----
From: indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 28, 2011 10:01 am
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time
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Great smile. Both of you.
Congratulations!
JOhn G.
> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:31:08 -0400
> From: Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time
>
>
> I like!
>
> Thanks all. As many have said before, it's worth it.
>
> Bill "the pics don't show proof but believe...." Watson
>
> http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150270042281127.325913.60180
6126&l=03397c5410&type=1
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| From: | Roxanne Lefever <roxianmike(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Vans panel dowloads |
Any advice on how to download the panel downloads on Vans
websites......despite having the latest Microsoft I am failing at getting it
to download......or maybe some will opine on whether its worth the trouble.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Vans panel dowloads |
I believe you need a software program that can read .dxf. I used Visio.
I just tested and it worked for me.
Pascal
From: Roxanne Lefever
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Vans panel dowloads
Any advice on how to download the panel downloads on Vans
websites..despite having the latest
Microsoft I am failing at getting it to
download..or maybe some will opine
on whether its worth the trouble.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Vans panel dowloads |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I just downloaded it ok. It is a .DXF file which requires cad software. If you
email me I will send it to you.
It is worth it only if you intend to have someone laser/water cut your panel for
you.
Bill
--------
Bill Peyton
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350889#350889
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| Subject: | Re: RV7-List: Re: Circuit Protection |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
We intend to go with the vpx-pro which has the dual independent buses. this is
a new feature that adds to the safety of the system for an all electric aircraft.
In addition to the vpx we will be adding an emergency buss to power all
of the essential equipment. This will include having to install 5 breakers on
a panel. This coupled with the backup battery in the dynon D6A we are using
for a backup instrument should be more than adequate for a serious IFR platform.
The most convincing argument is the "built in" control of all of the servos and
flaps. Using the Garmin or any one of the compatible EFIS systems you will be
able to display position information directly throught the VPX.
Bill
--------
Bill Peyton
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350890#350890
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| From: | "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
Jack,
I am not exactly in RTP but NC is growing in 10's this fall. This weekend I
was going to move to the hangar at EWN but Irene delayed that plan.
Thankfully all is well with the project; what was in the garage (see pic)
and what was at the hangar (see pic) floors a little wet but important stuff
high and dry.
Bill, Great job on getting your plane flying!!!!
Chris Lucas
#40072
New Bern
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time
Way to go, Bill! So the first of the RTP area RV-10's flies! Jonathon
Bryant will be next, with me bringing up the rear in a few years.
Jack Phillips
#40610
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:12 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time
Just ahead of Irene, Tigressa flew. Yaaay!!
Time break it in, tune it up, and fly the hell out of it!
Bill "feeling fine" Watson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Roxanne and Mike Lefever <roxianmike(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Vans panel dowloads |
thanks
From: rv10flyer(at)verizon.net
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans panel dowloads
Date: Sun=2C 28 Aug 2011 20:59:54 -0700
I believe you need a software program that can read .dxf. I used
Visio.
I just tested and it worked for me.
Pascal
From: Roxanne Lefever
Sent: Sunday=2C August 28=2C 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Vans panel dowloads
Any advice on how to download the panel downloads on Vans
websites=85=85=85=85..despite having the latest Microsoft I am failing at g
etting it to
download=85=85=85=85..or maybe some will opine on whether its worth the
trouble.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| From: | Roxanne and Mike Lefever <roxianmike(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vans panel dowloads |
thanks
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Vans panel dowloads
> From: peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net
> Date: Sun=2C 28 Aug 2011 21:06:20 -0700
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> I just downloaded it ok. It is a .DXF file which requires cad software.
If you email me I will send it to you.
> It is worth it only if you intend to have someone laser/water cut your pa
nel for you.
> Bill
>
> --------
> Bill Peyton
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350889#350889
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time |
| From: | Jonathan Beasley <jbeasley(at)nc.rr.com> |
Awesome work Bill and I look forward to seeing your new bird at 8NC8 soon.
Wow, we have more -10's in NC than I realized. Chris, nice looking -10 and
hopefully Irene didn't flood the hanger too much.
Jonathan
Jonathan Beasley
Durham, NC (8NC8)
#41236 RV-10 -- Just started wings
On 8/29/11 9:21 AM, "Chris" wrote:
>Jack,
>I am not exactly in RTP but NC is growing in 10's this fall. This weekend
>I
>was going to move to the hangar at EWN but Irene delayed that plan.
>Thankfully all is well with the project; what was in the garage (see pic)
>and what was at the hangar (see pic) floors a little wet but important
>stuff
>high and dry.
>Bill, Great job on getting your plane flying!!!!
>Chris Lucas
>#40072
>New Bern
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:36 AM
>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time
>
>
>Way to go, Bill! So the first of the RTP area RV-10's flies! Jonathon
>Bryant will be next, with me bringing up the rear in a few years.
>
>Jack Phillips
>#40610
>Raleigh, NC
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:12 PM
>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time
>
>
>Just ahead of Irene, Tigressa flew. Yaaay!!
>
>Time break it in, tune it up, and fly the hell out of it!
>
>Bill "feeling fine" Watson
>
>
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods are in use.
Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum from the firewall tank?
Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
I used a pressure tank from the mains up. It had about 4-5psi, opened
valve let it go and it was so much easier than trying to bleed from the
top down, also going from the bottom pushes the air up and out.
Pascal
From: DLM
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: bleeding brakes
We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods are in
use. Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum from the
firewall tank? Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
I'd be interested in the latest too. There's quite a bit in the
archives but approaches vary.
Currently, I have several brake system leaks; 1) the Matco parking brake
- old design with known problems and 2) several of the master cylinder
fittings.
Can anyone advise on the best way to drain the system? = I assume open
1 bleeder at a time and slowly pump brakes on that side, then repeat.
Any advice on sealing the fittings on the master cylinder (and Matco
assembly). Teflon tape? Gasket sealer? Some loctite product?
I contacted Matco and they will service the unit. But taking it out
probably grounds me for weeks unless I can bypass it. Thinking I just
want to torque and seal at this point.
On 8/29/2011 12:25 PM, DLM wrote:
>
> We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods are in
> use. Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum from the
> firewall tank? Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves?
>
> *
> *
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| From: | "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> |
Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains....worked good for me.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: bleeding brakes
We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods are in use.
Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum from the firewall tank?
Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
Sy, thanks for this. I intend to do exactly this tomorrow.
When you say 'stiff pipe', what exactly are you referring to? I've been
using plastic hose which fits tightly but won't take much positive
pressure during the fill (I've been using an oil can). Is there
something stiffer of a specific diameter that can be forced over the
nipple and will hold while filling?
I keep thinking that there much be some kind of 'standard fitting' for
the bleed nipple but no one I've asked seems to know.
Bill "leaky" Watson
On 8/29/2011 1:35 PM, simonnelson(at)vodamail.co.za wrote:
> Put a stiff pipe (cyno it on) on a 60 ml syringe or bigger.
> Open the nipple on the caliper and put on the pipe hard on the nipple.
> Open the reservoir, cap, for venting.
> Pull on the syringe, and empty all the fluid,, do the same for both sides.
> To fill with new fluid, full the syringe and close one side caliper
> nipple and SLOWLY (it will be a hard push) pump UP the fluid to the
> reservoir through the caliper nipple.
> Look at the reservoir as you go along, and the reservoir should fill
> to about 10 percent. Lock that nipple, then do the other side, until
> the reservoir fills a bit more, both line are full. Top up the reservoir.
> Easy, no air, no pumping, one man operation
>
> Done this quite a few times works well.
>
> Sy
>
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: * Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
> *Sender: * owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> *Date: *Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:53:55 -0400
> *To: *
> *ReplyTo: * rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject: *Re: RV10-List: bleeding brakes
>
> I'd be interested in the latest too. There's quite a bit in the
> archives but approaches vary.
>
> Currently, I have several brake system leaks; 1) the Matco parking
> brake - old design with known problems and 2) several of the master
> cylinder fittings.
>
> Can anyone advise on the best way to drain the system? = I assume
> open 1 bleeder at a time and slowly pump brakes on that side, then repeat.
>
> Any advice on sealing the fittings on the master cylinder (and Matco
> assembly). Teflon tape? Gasket sealer? Some loctite product?
>
> I contacted Matco and they will service the unit. But taking it out
> probably grounds me for weeks unless I can bypass it. Thinking I just
> want to torque and seal at this point.
>
> On 8/29/2011 12:25 PM, DLM wrote:
>>
>> We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods are in
>> use. Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum from the
>> firewall tank? Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves?
>>
>> *
>> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
I think Harbor Freight sells a bleeder that blows and sucks (aka pushes
the fluid up and vacuums when attached to the other side)
From: Bill Watson
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: bleeding brakes
Sy, thanks for this. I intend to do exactly this tomorrow.
When you say 'stiff pipe', what exactly are you referring to? I've been
using plastic hose which fits tightly but won't take much positive
pressure during the fill (I've been using an oil can). Is there
something stiffer of a specific diameter that can be forced over the
nipple and will hold while filling?
I keep thinking that there much be some kind of 'standard fitting' for
the bleed nipple but no one I've asked seems to know.
Bill "leaky" Watson
On 8/29/2011 1:35 PM, simonnelson(at)vodamail.co.za wrote:
Put a stiff pipe (cyno it on) on a 60 ml syringe or bigger.
Open the nipple on the caliper and put on the pipe hard on the nipple.
Open the reservoir, cap, for venting.
Pull on the syringe, and empty all the fluid,, do the same for both
sides.
To fill with new fluid, full the syringe and close one side caliper
nipple and SLOWLY (it will be a hard push) pump UP the fluid to the
reservoir through the caliper nipple.
Look at the reservoir as you go along, and the reservoir should fill
to about 10 percent. Lock that nipple, then do the other side, until the
reservoir fills a bit more, both line are full. Top up the reservoir.
Easy, no air, no pumping, one man operation
Done this quite a few times works well.
Sy
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From: Bill Watson mailto:Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:53:55 -0400
To: mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: bleeding brakes
I'd be interested in the latest too. There's quite a bit in the
archives but approaches vary.
Currently, I have several brake system leaks; 1) the Matco parking
brake - old design with known problems and 2) several of the master
cylinder fittings.
Can anyone advise on the best way to drain the system? = I assume
open 1 bleeder at a time and slowly pump brakes on that side, then
repeat.
Any advice on sealing the fittings on the master cylinder (and Matco
assembly). Teflon tape? Gasket sealer? Some loctite product?
I contacted Matco and they will service the unit. But taking it out
probably grounds me for weeks unless I can bypass it. Thinking I just
want to torque and seal at this point.
On 8/29/2011 12:25 PM, DLM wrote:
We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods are
in use. Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum from the
firewall tank? Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves?
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| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
| From: | "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net> |
Hey Bill,
It may not be worth the trouble, but when we got ready for this, the guys at the
hangar had something they had rigged up since they do this a lot. They had
filled what looked like a pump garden sprayer with brake fluid, put an in line
on/off valve in the hose, and had a fitting like a grease gun on the end of it.
So just pump it up, loosen the bleed nipple, pop the grease fitting on, and
open the valve until fluid comes out the reservoir. I held the grease fitting
on while filling just in case it tried to pop off.
Probably not worth it for one plane, but if you are in a group that could share
it, it might be something to consider.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Fly off completed !
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350950#350950
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| From: | LES KEARNEY <Kearney(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
Hmmm
I guess misery loves company. I too have had problems with match products. My park
brake leaked like a sieve until returned to matcofor service - they countersunk
the fittings for o rings.
Anyway what I used to bleed the brakes was an oil can along with plastic tubing
that was just slightly undersized to fit over the bleed nipple. I slit the tubing
a quarter inch or so so it would fit. To secure the tubingI used a loop of
safety wire over the tubing end so it would tighten on the filling nipple.
Works like a charm. A couple of things I learned the hard way 1) if the oil can
is hard to pump then something is wrong - the nipple is not open or perhaps the
park brake is set 2) the brakes will not bleed if a brake cylinder is even
slightly compressed. In short the oil can should be as easy to pump when bleeding
as it is when unattached.
I have had to bleed my brakes several time because of a leak in one of the cylinders.
I weeps from the bottom
fitting even when not under pressure. Damn. My next step is to call Matco. Sounds
like my problem is one others have had.
Cheers
Les
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Watson
Date: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: bleeding brakes
> Sy, thanks for this. I intend to do exactly this tomorrow.
>
> When you say 'stiff pipe', what exactly are you referring
> to? I've been using plastic hose which fits tightly but
> won't take much positive pressure during the fill (I've been
> using an oil can). Is there something stiffer of a
> specific diameter that can be forced over the nipple and will
> hold while filling?
>
> I keep thinking that there much be some kind of 'standard
> fitting' for the bleed nipple but no one I've asked seems
> to know.
>
> Bill "leaky" Watson
>
> On 8/29/2011 1:35 PM, simonnelson(at)vodamail.co.za wrote:
> >Put a stiff pipe (cyno it on) on a 60 ml syringe or bigger.
> >Open the nipple on the caliper and put on the pipe hard on the
> nipple.>Open the reservoir, cap, for venting.
> >Pull on the syringe, and empty all the fluid,, do the same for
> both sides.
> >To fill with new fluid, full the syringe and close one side
> caliper nipple and SLOWLY (it will be a hard push) pump UP the
> fluid to the reservoir through the caliper nipple.
> >Look at the reservoir as you go along, and the reservoir should
> fill to about 10 percent. Lock that nipple, then do the other
> side, until the reservoir fills a bit more, both line are full.
> Top up the reservoir.
> >Easy, no air, no pumping, one man operation
> >
> >Done this quite a few times works well.
> >
> >Sy
> >
> >Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> >*From: * Bill Watson
> >*Sender: * owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >*Date: *Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:53:55 -0400
> >*To: *
> >*ReplyTo: * rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> >*Subject: *Re: RV10-List: bleeding brakes
> >
> >I'd be interested in the latest too. There's quite a bit
> in the archives but approaches vary.
> >
> >Currently, I have several brake system leaks; 1) the Matco
> parking brake - old design with known problems and 2) several of
> the master cylinder fittings.
> >
> >Can anyone advise on the best way to drain the system? =
> I assume open 1 bleeder at a time and slowly pump brakes on that
> side, then repeat.
> >
> >Any advice on sealing the fittings on the master cylinder (and
> Matco assembly). Teflon tape? Gasket sealer? Some
> loctite product?
> >
> >I contacted Matco and they will service the unit. But
> taking it out probably grounds me for weeks unless I can bypass
> it. Thinking I just want to torque and seal at this point.
> >
> >On 8/29/2011 12:25 PM, DLM wrote:
> >>
> >>We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods
> are in use. Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum
> from the firewall tank? Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves?
> >>
> >>*
> >>*
> >
> >*
> >
> >
> >*
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| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
I think this is what you are talking about....
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/hydraulicBleedertank.php
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 29, 2011, at 5:31 PM, "Lew Gallagher" wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> It may not be worth the trouble, but when we got ready for this, the guys at
the hangar had something they had rigged up since they do this a lot. They had
filled what looked like a pump garden sprayer with brake fluid, put an in line
on/off valve in the hose, and had a fitting like a grease gun on the end of
it. So just pump it up, loosen the bleed nipple, pop the grease fitting on,
and open the valve until fluid comes out the reservoir. I held the grease fitting
on while filling just in case it tried to pop off.
>
> Probably not worth it for one plane, but if you are in a group that could share
it, it might be something to consider.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Fly off completed !
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350950#350950
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
Aircraft Spruce sells just such a system for $84.50. It is on page 244 of
their 2010-2011 catalog. I have one (sorry Bill, it's in my hangar at Smith
Mountain Lake, but if you want to fly up in the Maule and get it, you can
use it) and it works pretty well.
Jack Phillips
#40610
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: bleeding brakes
Hey Bill,
It may not be worth the trouble, but when we got ready for this, the guys at
the hangar had something they had rigged up since they do this a lot. They
had filled what looked like a pump garden sprayer with brake fluid, put an
in line on/off valve in the hose, and had a fitting like a grease gun on the
end of it. So just pump it up, loosen the bleed nipple, pop the grease
fitting on, and open the valve until fluid comes out the reservoir. I held
the grease fitting on while filling just in case it tried to pop off.
Probably not worth it for one plane, but if you are in a group that could
share it, it might be something to consider.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Fly off completed !
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350950#350950
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
| From: | "Jim Berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net> |
When you say 'stiff pipe', what exactly are you referring to? I've been using
plastic hose which fits tightly but won't take much positive pressure during
the fill (I've been using an oil can). Is there something stiffer of a specific
diameter that can be forced over the nipple and will hold while filling?
I keep thinking that there much be some kind of 'standard fitting' for the bleed
nipple but no one I've asked seems to know.
Bill "leaky" Watson
Bill,
The standard fitting you are looking for is ACS p/n 06-01202 at $105. For that
much money it would be better to get the Deluxe Bleeder Tank p/n 225DX from ATS
for $90. It comes with both universal and Cleveland adapters. Same thing from
ACS is $103.
Also, I suggest putting a hose barb in the top of your brake reservoir with a piece
of tubing going down to a clean catch basin. Much easier than trying to keep
an eye on your reservoir while pumping brake fluid from below. Keep pumping
brake fluid until you don't see any more bubbles in your drain hose.
Jim Berry
N15JB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350959#350959
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LES KEARNEY <Kearney(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
bill
Safety wire will seal the tube on the nipple.
Cheers
Les
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Berry <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:42 pm
Subject: RV10-List: Re: bleeding brakes
>
> When you say 'stiff pipe', what exactly are you referring
> to? I've been using plastic hose which fits tightly
> but won't take much positive pressure during the fill
> (I've been using an oil can). Is there something stiffer
> of a specific diameter that can be forced over the nipple
> and will hold while filling?
>
> I keep thinking that there much be some kind of 'standard
> fitting' for the bleed nipple but no one I've asked seems
> to know.
>
> Bill "leaky" Watson
>
> Bill,
>
> The standard fitting you are looking for is ACS p/n 06-01202 at
> $105. For that much money it would be better to get the Deluxe
> Bleeder Tank p/n 225DX from ATS for $90. It comes with both
> universal and Cleveland adapters. Same thing from ACS is $103.
>
> Also, I suggest putting a hose barb in the top of your brake
> reservoir with a piece of tubing going down to a clean catch
> basin. Much easier than trying to keep an eye on your reservoir
> while pumping brake fluid from below. Keep pumping brake fluid
> until you don't see any more bubbles in your drain hose.
>
> Jim Berry
> N15JB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350959#350959
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> RV10-List Email Forum -
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> = - List Contribution Web Site -
> _-
> = -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
That's what I decided to use; I have the insecticide sprayer which can be
pressurized. I will submerge the out line in the 5606 and "spray" until the
attachment line is full and will then fasten onto the bleeder valve. Open
the valve and open the pressure "spray" line. Fastening the line to the
bleeder valve can be done by carefully heating the end of the tube so that
it shrinks onto the bleeder nipple. I plan to have a 1/8" npt male fitting
with a barbed end on the other so I can secure an overflow line for the
reservoir.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: bleeding brakes
Hey Bill,
It may not be worth the trouble, but when we got ready for this, the guys at
the hangar had something they had rigged up since they do this a lot. They
had filled what looked like a pump garden sprayer with brake fluid, put an
in line on/off valve in the hose, and had a fitting like a grease gun on the
end of it. So just pump it up, loosen the bleed nipple, pop the grease
fitting on, and open the valve until fluid comes out the reservoir. I held
the grease fitting on while filling just in case it tried to pop off.
Probably not worth it for one plane, but if you are in a group that could
share it, it might be something to consider.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Fly off completed !
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350950#350950
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
And clean out the sprayer after use. 5606 will eat the rubber stuff and
you'll likely lose the 5606 and the sprayer too.
Linn
On 8/29/2011 6:55 PM, DLM wrote:
>
> That's what I decided to use; I have the insecticide sprayer which can
> be pressurized. I will submerge the out line in the 5606 and "spray"
> until the attachment line is full and will then fasten onto the
> bleeder valve. Open the valve and open the pressure "spray" line.
> Fastening the line to the bleeder valve can be done by *carefully
> heating* the end of the tube so that it shrinks onto the bleeder
> nipple. I plan to have a 1/8" npt male fitting with a barbed end on
> the other so I can secure an overflow line for the reservoir.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:32 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: bleeding brakes
>
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> It may not be worth the trouble, but when we got ready for this, the
> guys at the hangar had something they had rigged up since they do this
> a lot. They had filled what looked like a pump garden sprayer with
> brake fluid, put an in line on/off valve in the hose, and had a
> fitting like a grease gun on the end of it. So just pump it up,
> loosen the bleed nipple, pop the grease fitting on, and open the valve
> until fluid comes out the reservoir. I held the grease fitting on
> while filling just in case it tried to pop off.
>
> Probably not worth it for one plane, but if you are in a group that
> could share it, it might be something to consider.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> --------
>
> non-pilot
>
> crazy about building
>
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>
> Fly off completed !
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350950#350950
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
*Thanks for all the input! I think I know what I can use to get the job
done tomorrow without making too much of a mess. Some fittings are
going to get torqued down pretty hard.*
**
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
| From: | simonnelson(at)vodamail.co.za |
I use a clear hydraulic pipe its very stiff. It was an experiment, I took a nipple
to the shop to try out.
Also, please put plumbers tape on the nipple tread, to stop the leaking when you
pumping.
Sy
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From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:34:01
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| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
| From: | simonnelson(at)vodamail.co.za |
Good luck Bill.
Er have fun?
Sy
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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:54:51
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| Subject: | Re: bleeding brakes |
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
This thread had already received a lot of attention, but in case it wasn't mentioned,
I also use the bug-sprayer system to pump fluid up from the brake, but
I also hook up a tube to the top of the reservoir on the firewall with a Pitot-type
fitting and run that into an overflow tank. I then just let the fluid pump
through while I wiggle/tap/push the pedals to get air bubbles out. You can
see the air bubbles come out of the overflow tube and you can see when they
stop coming out. I can then put the overflowed fluid back into my bug sprayer
when I'm low. This seems to work extremely well. When I have finished both
sides, I usually take a paper towel and stick a corner down into the reservoir
to wick a little bit of the fluid out so it doesn't overflow and run down the
firewall.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Video of first flight on Aug 26th |
Thanks for all the good words folks. Here is the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ah7zOnt0-s
Bill "just loving it" Watson
40605 - N215TG
5 years - nnn hours of challenging fun
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ben Westfall" <rv10(at)sinkrate.com> |
| Subject: | Video of first flight on Aug 26th |
I love the laugh when you finished! Congrats Bill and safe journey's
-Ben Westfall
-----Original Message-----
RV10-List message posted by: Bill Watson
Thanks for all the good words folks. Here is the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ah7zOnt0-s
Bill "just loving it" Watson
40605 - N215TG
5 years - nnn hours of challenging fun
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Video of first flight on Aug 26th |
| From: | Marcus Cooper <coop85(at)verizon.net> |
Very nice and job well done!
Enjoy the fly-off.
Marcus
On Aug 31, 2011, at 5:50 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
Thanks for all the good words folks. Here is the video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ah7zOnt0-s
Bill "just loving it" Watson
40605 - N215TG
5 years - nnn hours of challenging fun
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Removable built in O2 |
Recent O2 discussion people. Here are a few photos of our recent
install of an O2 system that is both built in and easily removable
taking 95% of the system weight off the plane in 1 minute by removing
the bottle.
Just unscrew the grey manifold and screw on to post to remove the bottle.
The low pressure flow is turned on/off by a low pressure toggle safety
switch to send O2 to the canula receptacles.
The MH system is soooo much lighter than the old Aerox system.
Packing up Atlanta now. Moving back to California tomorrow. Yeah!
Robin
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the cap |
I have the Precision Airmotive EX-5VA1 fuel injector. The flow divider
on top of the engine has a nozzle with a cap on it. At this point, I
don't know it's function but at some point, someone I trusted told me
that the little black cap on the nozzle should be removed.
I noticed that there is a blue fuel stain around that area and am now
wondering about the function of the nozzle (vent), whether it should be
capped, etc.
I see a mechanic tomorrow for some consultation but would welcome any
insight.
PS, I'm thinking very seriously of attending the Airflow Performance
fuel injection class to get a little smarter about the system and to
tune for lean of peak. Anyone done this? Worthwhile?
Thanks
Bill Watson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Video of first flight on Aug 26th |
Great video. Congats and happy flying.
-Scott
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 31, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the good words folks. Here is the video...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ah7zOnt0-s
>
> Bill "just loving it" Watson
> 40605 - N215TG
> 5 years - nnn hours of challenging fun
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Seano" <sean(at)braunandco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Video of first flight on Aug 26th |
Nice work Bill! Great video.
I love the candid moments showing excitement and relief. Brings back my own
memories.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Watson" <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:50 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Video of first flight on Aug 26th
>
> Thanks for all the good words folks. Here is the video...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ah7zOnt0-s
>
> Bill "just loving it" Watson
> 40605 - N215TG
> 5 years - nnn hours of challenging fun
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the |
cap
I haven't attended, but everyone I've talked to that had attended, spoke
very highly of both Don and the class. The other advantage is that you have
an opportunity to get your injection system balanced. I am planning on
attending as soon as I'm flying.
Bob (disappointed Bill stopped his comments in his signature)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and
the cap
I have the Precision Airmotive EX-5VA1 fuel injector. The flow divider on
top of the engine has a nozzle with a cap on it. At this point, I don't
know it's function but at some point, someone I trusted told me that the
little black cap on the nozzle should be removed.
I noticed that there is a blue fuel stain around that area and am now
wondering about the function of the nozzle (vent), whether it should be
capped, etc.
I see a mechanic tomorrow for some consultation but would welcome any
insight.
PS, I'm thinking very seriously of attending the Airflow Performance fuel
injection class to get a little smarter about the system and to tune for
lean of peak. Anyone done this? Worthwhile?
Thanks
Bill Watson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | parking brake valve |
I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco
PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage
of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward
section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve
difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air during
the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does anyone
know which valves may have problems and how to identify such. Also what
tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a defect
(not really an option for me yet).
Chris Hukill
worlds slowest builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David <dmaib(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
I bought mine back in 06 or 07 from Van's and have had no problems
with it. Also have had no problems with my brake cylinders. About 400
hours on the airplane to date.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Sep 1, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their
> Matco PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder
> what vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close up
> the forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to
> the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with
> compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing
> the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how
> to identify such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid
> under pressure would reveal a defect (not really an option for me
> yet).
> Chris Hukill
> worlds slowest builder
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
Revisit the compressed air test and spray soapy water over the valve.
Air will show up easier than the fluid will in the short term. However,
the higher pressures on the brake fluid will show up later on.
Wipe up the water as best you can.
Linn
On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco
> PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage
> of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward
> section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve
> difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air
> during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does
> anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such.
> Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would
> reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
> Chris Hukill
> worlds slowest builder
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the |
ca
| From: | "Space Cadet" <Dwight(at)Drefs.net> |
I'm pretty sure that "nozzle" is the same as in my standard set-up, and it's a
fuel pressure pick-off point. Since Van's pulls that closer to the pump on their
setup, that should be capped off permanently (AN fitting).
Dwight
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351179#351179
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LES KEARNEY <Kearney(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
Hi Chris
Mine was the older style. The problem I had was not unusual. I strongly suggest
finding a way to get brake fluid into the system for testing. In my case the
problem was weeping after the brakes set. It took a day or so for the "weep" to
show around the fittings.
Unless the leaks are significant, it may be difficult to spot soap bubbles around
the fittings especially if access is tight. I used Kleenex wrapped around the
fittings after a few hours to detect leaks. Fluid shows upvalve bright red
stain. Even a very small one.
In the case of my master cylinder, the bottom fitting is weeping with just static
pressure. Again it takes a few days for a drop of fluid to show. I replaced
the fitting in this location and used lots pipe sealant but it still leaks. I
plan to pull the cylinder and bench check.This will be a major PITA.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-09-01, at 8:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1 valve.
I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these valves have
problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the fuselage, and
thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines
with compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the
valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such.
Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a
defect (not really an option for me yet).
Chris Hukill
worlds slowest builder
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hukill
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:01 am
Subject: RV10-List: parking brake valve
> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their
> Matco PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder
> what vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close
> up the forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access
> to the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with
> compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember
> testing the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have
> problems and how to identify such. Also what tests short of
> pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a defect (not
> really an option for me yet).
> Chris Hukill
> worlds slowest builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks
unless the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings
leading to the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the list,
and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the 'front'
or master cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod, and send it
back to me.
It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device
everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to
torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is to
stop flying (@ 10hours!!).
I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support all
4 fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In essence, all
I'm doing is returning to the orginal factory design. So, I'll drain
all the fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then return the unit
for modification, then drain again, re-install brake, refill and bleed.
It might be the perfect opportunity to use some of the super high temp
fluid.... or not.
I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of whether
it leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight operation I'm
doing right now.
Or just drop the dime and get their new one.
Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him the
brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't trust
them overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there if it
was my plane". He's batting .999 so far.
The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my
tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or some
prop blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with the
'10. I mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket for my
Bogy Bar like Dave S. has.
Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson
On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco
> PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage
> of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward
> section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve
> difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air
> during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does
> anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such.
> Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would
> reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
> Chris Hukill
> worlds slowest builder
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> |
| Subject: | parking brake valve |
I wouldn't recommend that the parking break valve be used for long periods, they
are really intended to provide temporary relief or until you can tie down.
Incidentally, there was really no one run of the old PV1 style that had the
problem. It was the deign which is why they redesigned it.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LES KEARNEY
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
Hi Chris
Mine was the older style. The problem I had was not unusual. I strongly suggest
finding a way to get brake fluid into the system for testing. In my case the
problem was weeping after the brakes set. It took a day or so for the "weep" to
show around the fittings.
Unless the leaks are significant, it may be difficult to spot soap bubbles around
the fittings especially if access is tight. I used Kleenex wrapped around the
fittings after a few hours to detect leaks. Fluid shows upvalve bright red
stain. Even a very small one.
In the case of my master cylinder, the bottom fitting is weeping with just static
pressure. Again it takes a few days for a drop of fluid to show. I replaced
the fitting in this location and used lots pipe sealant but it still leaks. I
plan to pull the cylinder and bench check.This will be a major PITA.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-09-01, at 8:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1 valve.
I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these valves have
problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the fuselage, and
thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines
with compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the
valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such.
Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a
defect (not really an option for me yet).
Chris Hukill
worlds slowest builder
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hukill
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:01 am
Subject: RV10-List: parking brake valve
> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco
> PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage
> of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward
> section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve
> difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air
> during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does
> anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such.
> Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would
> reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
> Chris Hukill
> worlds slowest builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gordon Anderson" <mregoan(at)hispeed.ch> |
| Subject: | parking brake valve |
Our local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last year I was
waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up whilst the owner had wandered
off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll backwards I ran over and stuck
my foot behind the main tire when the tail was only about 2ft away from the
brick hangar wall.
5 minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?* I'm doing
hanging around underneath his plane.
Since then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10 really not roll
that well?
Gordon Anderson
#41015 (reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes)
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: 01 September 2011 17:54
Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks unless
the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings leading to
the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the list, and from
talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the 'front' or master
cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod, and send it back to me.
It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device
everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to torque
the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is to stop
flying (@ 10hours!!).
I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support all 4
fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In essence, all I'm
doing is returning to the orginal factory design. So, I'll drain all the
fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then return the unit for
modification, then drain again, re-install brake, refill and bleed. It might
be the perfect opportunity to use some of the super high temp fluid.... or
not.
I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of whether it
leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight operation I'm doing
right now.
Or just drop the dime and get their new one.
Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him the
brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't trust them
overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there if it was my
plane". He's batting .999 so far.
The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my
tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or some prop
blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with the '10. I
mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket for my Bogy Bar like
Dave S. has.
Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson
On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1
valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these
valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the
fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested all
the brake lines with compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't
remember testing the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems
and how to identify such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under
pressure would reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
Chris Hukill
worlds slowest builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | parking brake valve |
I vote for the parking brake. Zero issues to date (4 different RV=92s). Lig
ht,
simple to install, functional.
If there is another RV in the future I know 2 things.
1: It will have a parking brake
2: I will tell my wife a little earlier that we are getting another RV J
Robin
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gordon Anderson
*Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:37 PM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV10-List: parking brake valve
Our local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last year I was
waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up whilst the owner had wandered
off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll backwards I ran over and stuck
my foot behind the main tire when the tail was only about 2ft away from the
brick hangar wall.
5 minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?* I=92m doing
hanging around underneath his plane.
Since then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10 really not roll
that well?
Gordon Anderson
#41015 (reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes)
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson
*Sent:* 01 September 2011 17:54
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks unles
s
the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings leading to
the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the list, and from
talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the 'front' or master
cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod, and send it back to me.
It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device
everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to torque
the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is to stop
flying (@ 10hours!!).
I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support all 4
fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In essence, all I'm
doing is returning to the orginal factory design. So, I'll drain all the
fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then return the unit for
modification, then drain again, re-install brake, refill and bleed. It migh
t
be the perfect opportunity to use some of the super high temp fluid.... or
not.
I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of whether it
leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight operation I'm doing
right now.
Or just drop the dime and get their new one.
Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him the
brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't trust them
overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there if it was my
plane". He's batting .999 so far.
The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my
tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or some pro
p
blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with the '10. I
mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket for my Bogy Bar lik
e
Dave S. has.
Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson
On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1
valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these
valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the
fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested al
l
the brake lines with compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't
remember testing the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems
and how to identify such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid unde
r
pressure would reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
Chris Hukill
worlds slowest builder
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
Some would point out that chocks are what's required. Arguable. I
chose a parking brake, but I'm sick of the leak.
Bill "a piece of Steelhead finally killed the brake fluid taste in my
mouth" Watson
On 9/1/2011 3:36 PM, Gordon Anderson wrote:
>
> Our local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last year I
> was waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up whilst the owner had
> wandered off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll backwards I ran
> over and stuck my foot behind the main tire when the tail was only
> about 2ft away from the brick hangar wall.
>
> 5 minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?* I'm doing
> hanging around underneath his plane.
>
> Since then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10 really not
> roll that well?
>
> Gordon Anderson
>
> #41015 (reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes)
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson
> *Sent:* 01 September 2011 17:54
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
>
> At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks
> unless the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings
> leading to the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the
> list, and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the
> 'front' or master cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod,
> and send it back to me.
>
> It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device
> everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to
> torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is
> to stop flying (@ 10hours!!).
>
> I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support
> all 4 fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In
> essence, all I'm doing is returning to the orginal factory design.
> So, I'll drain all the fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then
> return the unit for modification, then drain again, re-install brake,
> refill and bleed. It might be the perfect opportunity to use some of
> the super high temp fluid.... or not.
>
> I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of
> whether it leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight
> operation I'm doing right now.
>
> Or just drop the dime and get their new one.
>
> Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him
> the brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't
> trust them overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there
> if it was my plane". He's batting .999 so far.
>
> The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my
> tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or
> some prop blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with
> the '10. I mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket
> for my Bogy Bar like Dave S. has.
>
> Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson
>
>
> On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
>
> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco
> PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage
> of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward
> section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve
> difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air
> during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does
> anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such.
> Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would
> reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
>
> Chris Hukill
>
> worlds slowest builder
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
FWIW, I had leaks on both left brakes from one of the fittings. I'm
sure I torqued it as hard as I dared at the time, but I managed to get
another 180deg turn out of all of them. No sealant, no leaks now.
On 9/1/2011 11:03 AM, LES KEARNEY wrote:
> In the case of my master cylinder, the bottom fitting is weeping with just static
pressure. Again it takes a few days for a drop of fluid to show. I replaced
the fitting in this location and used lots pipe sealant but it still leaks.
I plan to pull the cylinder and bench check. This will be a major PITA.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
Chocks are worthless while you are parked on a slope, solo, with no one
to help hold the plane to get out and install the chocks. Ditto in
strong winds. Parking brake is to hold airplane just long enough to
secure it by other means.
On 9/1/2011 2:56 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Some would point out that chocks are what's required. Arguable. I
> chose a parking brake, but I'm sick of the leak.
>
> Bill "a piece of Steelhead finally killed the brake fluid taste in my
> mouth" Watson
>
> On 9/1/2011 3:36 PM, Gordon Anderson wrote:
>>
>> Our local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last year I
>> was waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up whilst the owner
>> had wandered off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll backwards I
>> ran over and stuck my foot behind the main tire when the tail was
>> only about 2ft away from the brick hangar wall.
>>
>> 5 minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?* Im
>> doing hanging around underneath his plane.
>>
>> Since then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10 really not
>> roll that well?
>>
>> Gordon Anderson
>>
>> #41015 (reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes)
>>
>> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson
>> *Sent:* 01 September 2011 17:54
>> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
>>
>> At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks
>> unless the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings
>> leading to the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the
>> list, and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the
>> 'front' or master cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod,
>> and send it back to me.
>>
>> It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device
>> everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to
>> torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is
>> to stop flying (@ 10hours!!).
>>
>> I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support
>> all 4 fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In
>> essence, all I'm doing is returning to the orginal factory design.
>> So, I'll drain all the fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then
>> return the unit for modification, then drain again, re-install brake,
>> refill and bleed. It might be the perfect opportunity to use some of
>> the super high temp fluid.... or not.
>>
>> I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of
>> whether it leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight
>> operation I'm doing right now.
>>
>> Or just drop the dime and get their new one.
>>
>> Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him
>> the brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't
>> trust them overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there
>> if it was my plane". He's batting .999 so far.
>>
>> The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my
>> tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or
>> some prop blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with
>> the '10. I mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket
>> for my Bogy Bar like Dave S. has.
>>
>> Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
>>
>> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco
>> PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what
>> vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the
>> forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the
>> valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed
>> air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve.
>> Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify
>> such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure
>> would reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
>>
>> Chris Hukill
>>
>> worlds slowest builder
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| Subject: | Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the |
ca
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
That port is for measuring fuel pres like Dwight said. Fuel pres at this point
is converted to fuel flow in some applications. If you have a new Lyc you had
to remove an 1/8" plug, just use that to plug this hole. Use appropriate sealant.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Cowling then time to get baffled.
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| From: | Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
Guys, what is the maximum air pressure that the brake lines and parking bra
ke valve should be tested at please?=0A-=0AI'm nearing that stage.=0A-
=0AKind regards=0A-=0APatrick Pulis=0AAdelaide, South Australia
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| From: | Danny Riggs <jdriggs49(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | parking brake valve |
That reminds me of the last time I was out in SoCal visiting our youngest d
aughter and husband. We were getting ready to fly out of Redlands and I was
prepping the plane when a guy hollered at me to help him. When I got over
there he was trying to chock his 172 with his left foot. He asked me to hol
d the plane while he ran inside and took a leak. He looked desperate so I w
as happy to help him. When he came back I asked him if the parking brake wa
s working. He really didn't even know what I was talking about. He said it
was his first long XC and back in Carlsbad they never used a parking brake
as it was flat. He was amazed to see there actually was a brake.
Date: Thu=2C 1 Sep 2011 17:56:17 -0400
From: Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
Some would point out that chocks are what's required. Arguable. I
chose a parking brake=2C but I'm sick of the leak.
Bill "a piece of Steelhead finally killed the brake fluid taste in
my mouth" Watson
On 9/1/2011 3:36 PM=2C Gordon Anderson wrote:
Our
local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last
year I was waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up
whilst the owner had
wandered off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll
backwards I ran over
and stuck my foot behind the main tire when the tail was
only about 2ft away
from the brick hangar wall.
5
minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?*
I=92m
doing hanging around underneath his plane.
Since
then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10
really not roll that well?
Gordon
Anderson
#41015
(reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes)
From:
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: 01 September 2011 17:54
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
At this point=2C I'm thinking that the PV-1
design is
subject to leaks unless the factory has done the mod to insert
O-rings on the
fittings leading to the master cylinders. That's what I
gathered from the
list=2C and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak
is in the
'front' or master cylinder side=2C they will take it back=2C do
the mod=2C and send
it back to me.
It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from
the device
everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did
attempt to
torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the
device is to
stop flying (@ 10hours!!).
I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should
support all 4
fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In
essence=2C all I'm
doing is returning to the orginal factory design. So=2C I'll
drain all the
fluid=2C install bracket=2C refill and bleed=2C then return the u
nit
for
modification=2C then drain again=2C re-install brake=2C refill an
d
bleed. It might be
the perfect opportunity to use some of the super high temp
fluid.... or not.
I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent
of whether it
leaks. That would save the awkward=2C after-first-flight
operation I'm
doing right now.
Or just drop the dime and get their new one.
Or best of all=2C as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I
showed him the brake
additions=2C "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't
trust them
overnight=2C they can leak=2C etc=2C I wouldn't put one on there
if
it was my
plane". He's batting .999 so far.
The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience
with my tailwheel
Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope=2C some wind=2C or some
prop blast
and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with the
'10. I
mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket for my
Bogy Bar like
Dave S. has.
Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid=2C not!" Watson
On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM=2C Chris Hukill wrote:
I
read with interest about the folks that had leakage of
their Matco PV-1 valve.
I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage
of these valves have
problems. I am about to close up the forward section of
the fuselage=2C and thus
make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested all
the brake lines with
compressed air during the tunnel work=2C but I don't
remember testing the valve.
Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to
identify such. Also
what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure
would reveal a defect
(not really an option for me yet).
Chris
Hukill
worlds
slowest
builder
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| Subject: | Re: Removable built in O2 |
| From: | William Curtis <wwc4(at)njit.edu> |
Robin,
You have a Gemini <http://www.trutrakap.com/new.html>, installed already in
your -8? I thought they only started taking orders for them today? You
have connections:-)
--
William
-----------
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> Recent O2 discussion people. Here are a few photos of our recent
> install of an O2 system that is both built in and easily removable
> taking 95% of the system weight off the plane in 1 minute by removing
> the bottle.
> Just unscrew the grey manifold and screw on to post to remove the bottle.
> The low pressure flow is turned on/off by a low pressure toggle safety
> switch to send O2 to the canula receptacles.
> The MH system is soooo much lighter than the old Aerox system.
> Packing up Atlanta now. Moving back to California tomorrow. Yeah!
> Robin
>
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Removable built in O2 |
Well almost=85 I have a scanned copy of the Gemini printed on a $0.15 SnapF
ish
glossy photograph. All I can say is it=92s accurate 100% of the time the pl
ane
is in the hangar. The photograph is a placeholder for the real thing which
should be installed as soon as available. All plumbing including back up
battery is in place and waiting.
Almost as bad as taping those Dynon brochures on your panel while dreaming
of a finished panel.
The rest of the plane is real,
Robin
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *William Curtis
*Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 6:26 PM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Removable built in O2
Robin,
You have a Gemini <http://www.trutrakap.com/new.html>, installed already in
your -8? I thought they only started taking orders for them today? You
have connections:-)
--
William
-----------
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
Recent O2 discussion people. Here are a few photos of our recent
install of an O2 system that is both built in and easily removable
taking 95% of the system weight off the plane in 1 minute by removing
the bottle.
Just unscrew the grey manifold and screw on to post to remove the bottle.
The low pressure flow is turned on/off by a low pressure toggle safety
switch to send O2 to the canula receptacles.
The MH system is soooo much lighter than the old Aerox system.
Packing up Atlanta now. Moving back to California tomorrow. Yeah!
Robin
>
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| From: | Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
The brake system from the master cylinders to the brake puck will see
far greater pressures than you'll possibly get with your compressor.
Linn
On 9/1/2011 7:55 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote:
> Guys, what is the maximum air pressure that the brake lines and
> parking brake valve should be tested at please?
> I'm nearing that stage.
> Kind regards
> Patrick Pulis
> Adelaide, South Australia
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
We did some troubleshooting on a brake system a few months ago that
included putting a pressure gauge at the caliper inlet. We were
seeing around 800 PSI at full pedal force.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote:
> Guys, what is the maximum air pressure that the brake lines and parking
> brake valve should be tested at please?
>
> I'm nearing that stage.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Patrick Pulis
> Adelaide, South Australia
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the |
ca
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
Lean of peak - is that the procedure where one converts fuel savings into profits
for cylinder/valve manufacturers ?
--------
See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Dave...I can put my 1000 psi gage away as I was going to test that.
Patrick,
If i was going to air/nitrogen pressure test the system, I would disconnect lines
at tee ftg on back side of reservoir as I would not want to blow it up. Install
a tee ftg between the two open ends and connect to a regulated air/nitrogen
source. Pressurize to 100 psi with an accurate gage attached. Shut everything
off and monitor pres gage for a few hours. If pres goes down a lb or so then
stabilizes you are ok. If it continues to drop get out your soap bubble solution.
Make sure you did not use ez turn/fuel lube as it may not withstand the
800 psi later on. I may just bleed them and pass on the pres test, have not decided.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Cowling then time to get baffled.
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| Subject: | Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and |
the ca
| From: | David Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com> |
Actually it's the opposite.
David Leikam
RV10
Flying
On Sep 2, 2011, at 9:42 AM, AirMike wrote:
>
> Lean of peak - is that the procedure where one converts fuel savings into profits
for cylinder/valve manufacturers ?
>
> --------
> See you OSH '11
> Q/B - flying 1 yr+
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351252#351252
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
| From: | "fdombroski" <f.dombroski(at)yahoo.com> |
My Valve was purchased from Vans at about the same time. It was leaking from the
shaft seal, especially when under pressure (parking brake set). I had to remove
it and send it back for replacement. No cost, but a pain in the back!
I used some couplers to plumb my brake lines together so I could fly while it was
out for repair. Good luck
--------
Frank Dombroski
RV-10 N10FD Flying
RV-8 N84FD Finished and sold :-{
N40 Sky Manor Airport NJ
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| From: | "EdKranz" <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
I'm in the "preparing the garage" phase before I order my tail kit, and I'm wondering
what everyone used for workbenches.
I'm going to be building in a 32'x32' 3 stall garage, but the wife will need to
be able to park inside at all time.
I have a 32"x120" bench attached to the back wall that I built when we first moved
in, and I just recently built a 30" by 30" rolling table for my vise, grinder,
and soon jig saw and drill press.
I'm leaning towards two EAA style benches on casters that can be pushed against
a side wall when not being used. I'm thinking one bench will be 5' long and the
other 6', given the space to fit them. I can't decide how wide to make them.
Is 24" too narrow to build a 10 on? Would 30" wide be wide enough?
Any other suggestions?
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| From: | Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
Ed
I built two of these "EAA Regulation" tables. See http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/worktabl/worktabl.htm
The only mod I made was to use 1/2" MDF for the top. It is flat and square which
is very useful. As it is very smooth there are no splinters etc. Mine tops
have lots of holes where I have drilled through. When it gets to be too much I
just replace the top.
For casters, make sue you get fairly large wheels as the small ones didn't seem
to last - at least more me. Rough concrete on my garage floor was pretty hard
on them. Also make sure that the wheels on one side lock.
I found the recommended size to be perfect.
Also get a good brush so you can sweep the tops clean when working. This also helps
distribute small parts onto the floor. VBG.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-09-03, at 11:08 PM, EdKranz wrote:
>
> I'm in the "preparing the garage" phase before I order my tail kit, and I'm wondering
what everyone used for workbenches.
>
> I'm going to be building in a 32'x32' 3 stall garage, but the wife will need
to be able to park inside at all time.
>
> I have a 32"x120" bench attached to the back wall that I built when we first
moved in, and I just recently built a 30" by 30" rolling table for my vise, grinder,
and soon jig saw and drill press.
>
> I'm leaning towards two EAA style benches on casters that can be pushed against
a side wall when not being used. I'm thinking one bench will be 5' long and
the other 6', given the space to fit them. I can't decide how wide to make them.
>
> Is 24" too narrow to build a 10 on? Would 30" wide be wide enough?
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351357#351357
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
Agreed on the standard size & MDF top. In addition, I found that
covering the top with kraft paper or the like was good. It absorbs a
lot of abuse, hides the drill holes and has a nice mind clearing effect
when changed. A roll of it and a stapler is all that's needed.
Bill "today switching the hangar from Maule high wing to RV10 low wing
configuration" Watson
On 9/4/2011 12:31 AM, Les Kearney wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Les Kearney
>
> Ed
>
> I built two of these "EAA Regulation" tables. See http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/worktabl/worktabl.htm
>
> The only mod I made was to use 1/2" MDF for the top. It is flat and square which
is very useful. As it is very smooth there are no splinters etc. Mine tops
have lots of holes where I have drilled through. When it gets to be too much
I just replace the top.
>
> For casters, make sue you get fairly large wheels as the small ones didn't seem
to last - at least more me. Rough concrete on my garage floor was pretty hard
on them. Also make sure that the wheels on one side lock.
>
> I found the recommended size to be perfect.
>
> Also get a good brush so you can sweep the tops clean when working. This also
helps distribute small parts onto the floor. VBG.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2011-09-03, at 11:08 PM, EdKranz wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "EdKranz"
>>
>> I'm in the "preparing the garage" phase before I order my tail kit, and I'm
wondering what everyone used for workbenches.
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>> I'm going to be building in a 32'x32' 3 stall garage, but the wife will need
to be able to park inside at all time.
>>
>> I have a 32"x120" bench attached to the back wall that I built when we first
moved in, and I just recently built a 30" by 30" rolling table for my vise, grinder,
and soon jig saw and drill press.
>>
>> I'm leaning towards two EAA style benches on casters that can be pushed against
a side wall when not being used. I'm thinking one bench will be 5' long and
the other 6', given the space to fit them. I can't decide how wide to make them.
>>
>> Is 24" too narrow to build a 10 on? Would 30" wide be wide enough?
>>
>> Any other suggestions?
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351357#351357
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| From: | Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
Hi Again
The covering is a good idea. I used a roll of rubber honeycomb mat of the type
used to line toolbox drawers. The honeycomb catches small metal shavings and helps
prevent scratches on skins. Just shake to remove shavings.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-09-04, at 6:51 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
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> Agreed on the standard size & MDF top. In addition, I found that covering the
top with kraft paper or the like was good. It absorbs a lot of abuse, hides
the drill holes and has a nice mind clearing effect when changed. A roll of
it and a stapler is all that's needed.
>
> Bill "today switching the hangar from Maule high wing to RV10 low wing configuration"
Watson
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>
> On 9/4/2011 12:31 AM, Les Kearney wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Les Kearney
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>> Ed
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>> I built two of these "EAA Regulation" tables. See http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/worktabl/worktabl.htm
>>
>> The only mod I made was to use 1/2" MDF for the top. It is flat and square which
is very useful. As it is very smooth there are no splinters etc. Mine tops
have lots of holes where I have drilled through. When it gets to be too much
I just replace the top.
>>
>> For casters, make sue you get fairly large wheels as the small ones didn't seem
to last - at least more me. Rough concrete on my garage floor was pretty hard
on them. Also make sure that the wheels on one side lock.
>>
>> I found the recommended size to be perfect.
>>
>> Also get a good brush so you can sweep the tops clean when working. This also
helps distribute small parts onto the floor. VBG.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 2011-09-03, at 11:08 PM, EdKranz wrote:
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>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "EdKranz"
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>>> I'm in the "preparing the garage" phase before I order my tail kit, and I'm
wondering what everyone used for workbenches.
>>>
>>> I'm going to be building in a 32'x32' 3 stall garage, but the wife will need
to be able to park inside at all time.
>>>
>>> I have a 32"x120" bench attached to the back wall that I built when we first
moved in, and I just recently built a 30" by 30" rolling table for my vise,
grinder, and soon jig saw and drill press.
>>>
>>> I'm leaning towards two EAA style benches on casters that can be pushed against
a side wall when not being used. I'm thinking one bench will be 5' long and
the other 6', given the space to fit them. I can't decide how wide to make
them.
>>>
>>> Is 24" too narrow to build a 10 on? Would 30" wide be wide enough?
>>>
>>> Any other suggestions?
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
| From: | Marcus Cooper <coop85(at)verizon.net> |
An important question is will be you be going slow or quick build? For the quick
build the benches you have are fine, just need one big enough to handle the
horizontal stab.
Marcus
On Sep 3, 2011, at 11:08 PM, EdKranz wrote:
I'm in the "preparing the garage" phase before I order my tail kit, and I'm wondering
what everyone used for workbenches.
I'm going to be building in a 32'x32' 3 stall garage, but the wife will need to
be able to park inside at all time.
I have a 32"x120" bench attached to the back wall that I built when we first moved
in, and I just recently built a 30" by 30" rolling table for my vise, grinder,
and soon jig saw and drill press.
I'm leaning towards two EAA style benches on casters that can be pushed against
a side wall when not being used. I'm thinking one bench will be 5' long and the
other 6', given the space to fit them. I can't decide how wide to make them.
Is 24" too narrow to build a 10 on? Would 30" wide be wide enough?
Any other suggestions?
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351357#351357
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
| From: | "EdKranz" <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
I am going to be taking the slow-build route.
After reading thru a number of other build logs, I think I'd like to build both
wings simultaneously. At what point can you start working on them in the wing
cradles? I was planning on building a cradle that could be split so I'll have
360 degree access.
Also, will I have enough room on a pair of standard EAA tables to build the slow
build fuse up to the point where it makes sense to move it to a purpose build
stand?
coop85(at)verizon.net wrote:
> An important question is will be you be going slow or quick build? For the quick
build the benches you have are fine, just need one big enough to handle the
horizontal stab.
>
> Marcus
>
>
> On Sep 3, 2011, at 11:08 PM, EdKranz wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm in the "preparing the garage" phase before I order my tail kit, and I'm wondering
what everyone used for workbenches.
>
> I'm going to be building in a 32'x32' 3 stall garage, but the wife will need
to be able to park inside at all time.
>
> I have a 32"x120" bench attached to the back wall that I built when we first
moved in, and I just recently built a 30" by 30" rolling table for my vise, grinder,
and soon jig saw and drill press.
>
> I'm leaning towards two EAA style benches on casters that can be pushed against
a side wall when not being used. I'm thinking one bench will be 5' long and
the other 6', given the space to fit them. I can't decide how wide to make them.
>
> Is 24" too narrow to build a 10 on? Would 30" wide be wide enough?
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351357#351357
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| From: | "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
Just to add my 2 cents. I had one 4X8 work bench that I built (a friend
built it for me) a couple of decades before......no casters. I then got two
8 foot lifetime folding tables from Costco. Put them end to end for the
wings and moved them around easily. I could fold them up and put them aside
when I did not need them. I did all my dimpling, clamping, etc on the
large work bench. The flaps are 8 feet, so you will need a large flat
surface to do those....
I built in a three car garage and my wife kept her side the entire time.
She would let me kick her car out for painting and when I wanted (not
needed) extra room.
Also, I had some old carpet I put on top of the work bench and table......I
glued it to my dimpling table....so that I could slide the parts around a
little easier. Just need to vacuum out the carpet to get the filings and
stuff out or you could scratch the skins.
Also, also....even with the 4X8 workbench and having access to both sides I
needed a third hand sometimes, so I went to the aviation department at Sears
and got one of those roller stands (don't know what they are called) that
carpenters use to roll longer pieces of wood on and off table saws, etc.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
| From: | "dhmoose" <dhmoose(at)yahoo.com> |
Another tip: make the MDF top overlap ALL sides of the workbenches frame. It's
immensely helpful to be able to clamp items to the lip on all four sides versus
just 3 sides. Hope depot also sells carpet runners that are the perfect size
for the bench tops.
David
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David Halmos
RV-10 builder #41059
Empennage complete!
QB fuselage under construction
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| From: | "James McGrew" <jsmcgrew(at)alum.mit.edu> |
Similar to your pIan, I built my RV-10 on a wall mounted work bench and a
4'x5' work table that sat in the middle. In my new garage I built two 2'x5'
workbenches that hook together to make a 4'x5'. When I don't need them, they
come apart and roll underneath the wall mounted bench.
Here is my biggest suggestion for any workbench you build: is to hang the
particle board over the edges ~6". I didn't do this at first and quickly
learned that I needed that overhang to be able to clamp things. I was
surprised that the EAA design I saw in the magazine didn't have this
feature. Also don't be afraid to drill into your work bench top. It is easy
and cheap to replace.
-Jim
N312JE
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[ailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of EdKranz
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 8:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Workbench size?
I'm in the "preparing the garage" phase before I order my tail kit, and I'm
wondering what everyone used for workbenches.
I'm going to be building in a 32'x32' 3 stall garage, but the wife will need
to be able to park inside at all time.
I have a 32"x120" bench attached to the back wall that I built when we first
moved in, and I just recently built a 30" by 30" rolling table for my vise,
grinder, and soon jig saw and drill press.
I'm leaning towards two EAA style benches on casters that can be pushed
against a side wall when not being used. I'm thinking one bench will be 5'
long and the other 6', given the space to fit them. I can't decide how wide
to make them.
Is 24" too narrow to build a 10 on? Would 30" wide be wide enough?
Any other suggestions?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351357#351357
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
2 ea 30" X 84" X 36"H with 2" overlap, fixed 4" castors on one end and moveable
on other with brakes.
If I had it to do over I would make them 36" X 96" with 4" overlap. One table now
at home and one at airport.
Lots of outlets and lights; 2 separate regulators/25' air hoses; 16 gal vac, a/c
& heat; dehumidifier; 36" X 36" bench tool work table(like you have) with NO
castors. I did not want a bandsaw blade accidentally moving and it was easy to
slide two times during entire build. Built up to fuse/tail mating in 12 X 24'
then went to 24' X 24' with plenty of room. 9' W X 8'H insulated garage doors.
Baby monitor to monitor while its sleeping. Fire/smoke alarms, storage cabinet
vented to outside for flammables. Radio, dvd, 18" flat screen, phone, white
board and sm refrigerator. Furnace blower in a box with castors, 8' cord and
5" thick high eff air filter- for running while sanding, scotch brighting, priming
along with respirator. All the tools you can afford. I think thats about
it.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
I built two of the EAA tables and they came in handy. However, don't forget a table
- such as the standard "Costco" folding banquet table. It is better for sitting
height and folds out of the way when not needed.
John
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#40572 First flight was on 25 June, 2011
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Post in Aeroelectric list re: Odyssey 680 and engine starts |
I just posted something on the Aeroelectric list with subject:
"Initial experience with dual Odyssey PC680s powering RV-10 with Z-14"
Please take a look.
Bill "just flew the '10 home" Watson
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
Use filter bags in any and all shop vacs - especially when you start on
the fiberglass. They are available for all models.
If you are 50+, consider an eyeglass prescription specifically for shop
work. Optimized for working at arm's length - not as close as reading
glasses, good enough distance vision to see across the garage without
discomfort. Big lenses for safety but something you're willing to wear
out. (No, I'm not an optometrist but they universally express approval)
Have a complete set of safety equipment - goggles, ear protection,
respirator masks, first aid kit - and use them all the time.
Things I would have handled differently; rip all the blue protective
plastic off everything at first opportunity, prime less, worry less
about scratching exterior surfaces, making sure all my work tables have
at least a 1.5" lip on all 4 sides for clamping
Bill "half way thru Phase 1" Watson
On 9/4/2011 2:57 PM, rv10flyer wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "rv10flyer"
>
> 2 ea 30" X 84" X 36"H with 2" overlap, fixed 4" castors on one end and moveable
on other with brakes.
>
> If I had it to do over I would make them 36" X 96" with 4" overlap. One table
now at home and one at airport.
>
> Lots of outlets and lights; 2 separate regulators/25' air hoses; 16 gal vac,
a/c& heat; dehumidifier; 36" X 36" bench tool work table(like you have) with
NO castors. I did not want a bandsaw blade accidentally moving and it was easy
to slide two times during entire build. Built up to fuse/tail mating in 12 X
24' then went to 24' X 24' with plenty of room. 9' W X 8'H insulated garage doors.
Baby monitor to monitor while its sleeping. Fire/smoke alarms, storage cabinet
vented to outside for flammables. Radio, dvd, 18" flat screen, phone, white
board and sm refrigerator. Furnace blower in a box with castors, 8' cord and
5" thick high eff air filter- for running while sanding, scotch brighting,
priming along with respirator. All the tools you can afford. I think thats about
it.
>
>
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| Subject: | Post in Aeroelectric list re: Odyssey 680 and engine starts |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
What starter do you have? My Vans'-ordered IO-540 came with the lighter weight
starter. I had Lycoming send me the heavy duty one, which they did at no charge.
With the larger PC 925 (standard location, #2 AWG cable, grounded to airframe)
and the heavy duty starter, the engine turns over very well.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | "bob-tcw" <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
| Subject: | Prop and Spinner fit & move to paint shop |
Fellow builders,
Two items to share: Working on the spinner fit this weekend
and was wondering how to do the cut-outs for the prop blades so as to
account for the fine and course pitch setting. Didn=99t see
anything useful in the plans, just a note to ensure to leave room when
making the cut-out. The blades move via oil pressure from the
governor, so why not a little air pressure, seems like it should
work. Well sure enough, only about 25 psi does the trick and the
blades go to full course pitch. So I machined up a nice adapter
plate to get the job done. See attached photos. I=99m going
to make this adapter plate available to the RV-10 list folks on the
loaner program. I=99ll be done with it after this weekend and
will ship it to whomever needs it next, I just ask that you pay for
shipping.
On a second topic, Monday was a big day here, after almost 8 years
of super slow building I=99m running out of parts! N541RV has
moved to the paint shop! Lancaster Aero Refinshers in Smoketown PA
now has my plane . The paint scheme is agreed to and the test
panel of paint have been shot.
Bob Newman
40176 (Almost an airplane)
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| Subject: | Re: Prop and Spinner fit & move to paint shop |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
That is handy when you are alone. The wife and I used two
wood clamps with a rag protecting the paint. Worked like a charm.
There is around 325 psi gov oil pres in normal operation so those aerodynamic loads
are powerful. Nice to know information and nice tool. Thanks.
Just about ready to trim the baffling. That is one crazy setup on those ramps!
Have fun on those filler plates. Oh, I did not check runout on the spinner. Does
anyone since it is not in the plans? My wife can let me know when I do the first
start.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
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| Subject: | Post in Aeroelectric list re: Odyssey 680 and engine starts |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
We are getting too much voltage drop with that long #2 wire and should be running
#1 or 0. The lycoming supplied starter would work fine then.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Post in Aeroelectric list re: Odyssey 680 and engine starts |
Something is wrong with the circuit. #2 wire should be more than
adequate. Vans supplies #2 for connection battery to master relay,
master relay to starter relay and starter relay to starter. My Mooney
has the battery behind the baggage compartment with same #2 wire. Same
length run. Took me some work to eliminate all high resistance
connections, but once I got all connections clean, air tight, the
performance issues went away. I do have a PM starter and they have HUGE
current draws compared to other design starters. The Skytec trouble
shooting chart is good for determining where the problem originates.
If there is too much voltage drop in that one cable there is a problem
with the connection at one end or the other or in the ground return. #2
will carry the current needed without excessive voltage drop. You have
to ensure there are good tight crimped connectors and tight connections.
I suppose you could have a relay with excessive voltage drop.
On 9/5/2011 7:24 AM, rv10flyer wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "rv10flyer"
>
> We are getting too much voltage drop with that long #2 wire and should be running
#1 or 0. The lycoming supplied starter would work fine then.
>
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> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
> Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351460#351460
>
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| From: | Craig Rufi <craigr60(at)gmail.com> |
I am wiring the tail light and find that there are no holes for a grommet thru
the bulkhead. Are we drill the bulkhead? or are there other thoughts... Thanks
Craig
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| From: | Roxanne Lefever <roxianmike(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
Anyone know if someone sells a mounting bracket for the Matco parking brake
valve? I am a poor designer and even worse at fabricating so looking for
short cut.
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| From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
AirWard does...
http://www.airward.com/amelia/search.asp?store=airward&action=Search&ShowDetails=True&ShowImages=True&cat=10000006&subcat_10000003=10000006
-Sean #40303 (painting fuse interior)
On 9/4/11 12:36 PM, Roxanne Lefever wrote:
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> Anyone know if someone sells a mounting bracket for the Matco parking
> brake valve? I am a poor designer and even worse at fabricating so
> looking for short cut.
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Wires to tail |
| From: | Marcus Cooper <coop85(at)verizon.net> |
I drilled a hole for the wires and installed pastic grommets. Having just rewired
the tail strobelight I would probably go with a very lightweight plastic conduit
through the large lightening holes next time to make future changes much
easier.
Marcus
On Sep 5, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Craig Rufi wrote:
I am wiring the tail light and find that there are no holes for a grommet thru
the bulkhead. Are we drill the bulkhead? or are there other thoughts... Thanks
Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Wires to tail |
| From: | Craig Rufi <craigr60(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks,
I to think that lightweight conduit is the way to go. I'm using that in my
wings also. Craig
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> I drilled a hole for the wires and installed pastic grommets. Having just
> rewired the tail strobelight I would probably go with a very lightweight
> plastic conduit through the large lightening holes next time to make future
> changes much easier.
>
> Marcus
>
> On Sep 5, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Craig Rufi wrote:
>
>
> I am wiring the tail light and find that there are no holes for a grommet
> thru the bulkhead. Are we drill the bulkhead? or are there other thoughts...
> Thanks Craig
>
>
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| From: | Dick Gurley <rngurley(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wires to tail |
Where did you drill the hole and how large?
Dick
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On Sep 5, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Craig Rufi wrote:
> Thanks,
> I to think that lightweight conduit is the way to go. I'm using that in my
wings also. Craig
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> I drilled a hole for the wires and installed pastic grommets. Having just
rewired the tail strobelight I would probably go with a very lightweight pl
astic conduit through the large lightening holes next time to make future ch
anges much easier.
>
> Marcus
>
> On Sep 5, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Craig Rufi wrote:
>
>
> I am wiring the tail light and find that there are no holes for a grommet t
hru the bulkhead. Are we drill the bulkhead? or are there other thoughts... T
hanks Craig
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| From: | Marcus Cooper <coop85(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wires to tail |
Along the bottom, offset to the side from the holes for the rudder
cables. I think they were1/2" but not sure. Just large enough to run
the wires for the lights. Again, I would recommend the very thin walled
PVC pipe or similar down the lightening holes if I were to do it again.
I used that in the wings and was glad I did.
Marcus
On Sep 5, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Dick Gurley wrote:
Where did you drill the hole and how large?
Dick
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On Sep 5, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Craig Rufi wrote:
> Thanks,
> I to think that lightweight conduit is the way to go. I'm using that
in my wings also. Craig
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Marcus Cooper
wrote:
>
> I drilled a hole for the wires and installed pastic grommets. Having
just rewired the tail strobelight I would probably go with a very
lightweight plastic conduit through the large lightening holes next time
to make future changes much easier.
>
> Marcus
>
> On Sep 5, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Craig Rufi wrote:
>
>
> I am wiring the tail light and find that there are no holes for a
grommet thru the bulkhead. Are we drill the bulkhead? or are there other
thoughts... Thanks Craig
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| From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)yahoo.ca> |
Hi all
-
I want to order the fuse kit in the next couple of weeks and just received
the fuselage list from Anne @ Vans.
-
After going over it fairly closely, there are a few things I want to change
out.
-
1) The aluminum cabin heat box for stainless.- I have found 2 aftermarket
manufacturers.- Plane Innovations and Aviacomp International.- Anyone
have an opinion on either?- I believe the Aviacomp is about $20 more each
.
-
2) Vans fuel valve for the Andair, which I have already bought.- The list
shows the valve in bag #487-1, but plans show it as VA178G.- I assume th
ey are one and the same.
-
3) There are 2 brake hoses listed, F8105, which attach to the master cylind
ers and go up to the firewall.- Have others replaced these with aftermark
et?
-
4) Has anyone replaced the 3003 soft aluminun tube than comes with the kit
with 5052-0 rigid tubing that runs from the firewall to the gear legs?
-
Anyother opinions or recomendations-are welcome. Thx in advance.
-
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont.
-
-
-
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| From: | Paul Bowmar <paul(at)bwbco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fuselage kit |
The ones from Aviacomp weight 10.57 ounces each. The ones from Plane
Innovations LLC weigh 6.08 ounces each. That's almost 9 ounces more for
Aviacomp for the pair. May not seem like much, but every ounce adds up.
And Plane Innovations has them in stock, ready to ship.
Paul
RV-4 67KB
On Sep 5, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I want to order the fuse kit in the next couple of weeks and just
received the fuselage list from Anne @ Vans.
>
> After going over it fairly closely, there are a few things I want to
change out.
>
> 1) The aluminum cabin heat box for stainless. I have found 2
aftermarket manufacturers. Plane Innovations and Aviacomp
International. Anyone have an opinion on either? I believe the
Aviacomp is about $20 more each.
>
> 2) Vans fuel valve for the Andair, which I have already bought. The
list shows the valve in bag #487-1, but plans show it as VA178G. I
assume they are one and the same.
>
> 3) There are 2 brake hoses listed, F8105, which attach to the master
cylinders and go up to the firewall. Have others replaced these with
aftermarket?
>
> 4) Has anyone replaced the 3003 soft aluminun tube than comes with the
kit with 5052-0 rigid tubing that runs from the firewall to the gear
legs?
>
> Anyother opinions or recomendations are welcome. Thx in advance.
>
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont.
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wires to tail |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
I drilled approx 5/16" hole on lower lh side. Outside of vs mounting area so that
it could be inst/removed w/o pulling wires. Sanded hole with 320 grit and installed
heat shrink at pass thru for extra protection.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351498#351498
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Cabin Side Panel |
For those still building, it is a easy step to fabricate side panels to
hide wires and make the forward lower fuse side look better. A previous
builder gave me this idea. Probably could be done at any time but was
easy when building. Just got back from flying about including 26 eastern
states, down the Hudson River, up the Mississippi River, with 100
landings and 89 new airports including KFFA (Kill Devil Hills) and KBFI
(Boeing Field in downtown Seattle). Total 91 hours and 6 weeks. This is
a great airplane. Have only 2 of the 57 states left to land in. Probably
won=99t make HI
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
RV-10 N991RV
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cabin Side Panel |
| From: | Rick <ricksked(at)cox.net> |
Two of 57? You should runs for President! ;)
Rick
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:50 PM, "Albert Gardner" wrote:
> For those still building, it is a easy step to fabricate side panels to hi
de wires and make the forward lower fuse side look better. A previous builde
r gave me this idea. Probably could be done at any time but was easy when bu
ilding. Just got back from flying about including 26 eastern states, down th
e Hudson River, up the Mississippi River, with 100 landings and 89 new airpo
rts including KFFA (Kill Devil Hills) and KBFI (Boeing Field in downtown Sea
ttle). Total 91 hours and 6 weeks. This is a great airplane. Have only 2 of t
he 57 states left to land in. Probably won=99t make HI
>
> Albert Gardner
>
> Yuma, AZ
>
> RV-10 N991RV
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
I think the EEA tables would work great. I had enough room for a 4x8
table with a melamine top.
What I found helpful was to take the wing box, take the top off and then
flip it over on some 4x4 posts for the corners. It was narrow and long
and I kept it low. About 30 inches. Let me work on one wing at a
time. I put some old carpet scraps to protect the skins.
Dr Fred
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wires to tail |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
I drilled a hole through F1012B that passed through the very top of F1012E, just
below F1056. I found a grommet that would hold the wire, and drilled accordingly.
Also heat shrunk the wire to make sure, since it's pretty thick there.
John
--------
#40572 First flight was on 25 June, 2011
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351528#351528
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
I did that with all the boxes, but I had the room. Made some of them higher, mainly
for fiberglass work - you need a big table for cutting fabric.
John
drfred(at)suddenlinkmail. wrote:
> I think the EEA tables would work great. I had enough room for a 4x8
> table with a melamine top.
>
> What I found helpful was to take the wing box, take the top off and then
> flip it over on some 4x4 posts for the corners. It was narrow and long
> and I kept it low. About 30 inches. Let me work on one wing at a
> time. I put some old carpet scraps to protect the skins.
>
> Dr Fred
--------
#40572 First flight was on 25 June, 2011
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351531#351531
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Cumins" <jcumins(at)jcis.net> |
Rick
I for sure would go with the SS hot air box setup they seal better and last
a lot longer, aftermarket break lines and and replace all 3003 tubing with
5052 tubing without a doute
40864 Wings skins dimpling
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:55 AM
Subject: RV10-List: fuselage kit
Hi all
I want to order the fuse kit in the next couple of weeks and just received
the fuselage list from Anne @ Vans.
After going over it fairly closely, there are a few things I want to change
out.
1) The aluminum cabin heat box for stainless. I have found 2 aftermarket
manufacturers. Plane Innovations and Aviacomp International. Anyone have
an opinion on either? I believe the Aviacomp is about $20 more each.
2) Vans fuel valve for the Andair, which I have already bought. The list
shows the valve in bag #487-1, but plans show it as VA178G. I assume they
are one and the same.
3) There are 2 brake hoses listed, F8105, which attach to the master
cylinders and go up to the firewall. Have others replaced these with
aftermarket?
4) Has anyone replaced the 3003 soft aluminun tube than comes with the kit
with 5052-0 rigid tubing that runs from the firewall to the gear legs?
Anyother opinions or recomendations are welcome. Thx in advance.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cabin Side Panel |
| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mogas in IO-540 |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
"Octane" is a measure of gas' resistance to detonation.
There are different tests in use, resulting in different numbers. The two most
common tests are "motor octane" and "research octane".
Av gas is measured in "motor octane".
Car gas is the average of the two (note the R+M/2 posted on car gas pumps.)
87 octane car gas (regular) has a minimum motor octane of about 83 (and a research
octane of about 91, so the average is 87). So regular car gas works okay in
an engine certified for 80/87 (the first number is motor octane; the second
is still a third way of measuring octane).
But even premium car gas, 91, is only about 87 motor octane, so it falls short
of the spec for the IO-540.
As someone else said, the effect of tetraethyl lead is non-linear. The first small
dose gives the largest increase, so mixing a 50: 50 mixture of premium car
gas (87 motor octane) with 100LL will raise the octane more than half way (more
than 93.5) so it should be okay in the IO-540.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351609#351609
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cabin Side Panel |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
Awesome achievement Albert. Please tell me that the 57 is a put on. Please. Please.
Aren't you the same guy that had a real health problem before. If so mucho
kudos. Us geezers have a bit of living left to do......
I did the same treatment on both sides. It is a bit of a pain at annual time, but
looks really good. I think that I got some .025 from van's to do the deed.
it looks very finished with not a lot of weight penalty.
--------
See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351611#351611
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Horizontal Stabilizer bolts loose at annual |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
I was quite shocked today to find out that the HS bolts (4) on the front of the
HS were out of proper torque. This discovered during my annual condition inspection.
I would not say that they were loose, but they definitely needed tightening.
No apparent fretting. Tightened about one full turn with the torque wrench
- wow........
--------
See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351613#351613
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Horizontal Stabilizer bolts loose at annual |
If you used torque seal you know (1) that you had tightened the bolts at
final assembly and (2) the bolts loosened after being tightened. I'm
using yellow torque seal to make sure that I don't miss any fasteners.
I fill the screwdriver slots on screws that I don't plan on taking out
for access .... like at annual time.
Linn
On 9/6/2011 10:23 PM, AirMike wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"
>
> I was quite shocked today to find out that the HS bolts (4) on the front of the
HS were out of proper torque. This discovered during my annual condition inspection.
I would not say that they were loose, but they definitely needed tightening.
No apparent fretting. Tightened about one full turn with the torque wrench
- wow........
>
> --------
> See you OSH '11
> Q/B - flying 1 yr+
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351613#351613
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robin Marks <robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cabin Side Panel |
Are all bets off for a 9:1 IO-540?
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:05 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Side Panel
Awesome achievement Albert. Please tell me that the 57 is a put on.
Please. Please. Aren't you the same guy that had a real health problem
before. If so mucho kudos. Us geezers have a bit of living left to
do......
I did the same treatment on both sides. It is a bit of a pain at annual
time, but looks really good. I think that I got some .025 from van's to do
the deed.
it looks very finished with not a lot of weight penalty.
--------
See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351611#351611
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cabin Side Panel |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Yes. Anything 8.7:1 and higher compression will require 100 octane.
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Are all bets off for a 9:1 IO-540?
>
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:05 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cabin Side Panel
>
>
> Awesome achievement Albert. Please tell me that the 57 is a put on.
> Please. Please. Aren't you the same guy that had a real health problem
> before. If so mucho kudos. Us geezers have a bit of living left to
> do......
>
> I did the same treatment on both sides. It is a bit of a pain at annual
> time, but looks really good. I think that I got some .025 from van's to do
> the deed.
> it looks very finished with not a lot of weight penalty.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '11
> Q/B - flying 1 yr+
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351611#351611
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Coop85 <coop85(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mogas in IO-540 |
Great info, thanks!
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:47 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote:
>
> "Octane" is a measure of gas' resistance to detonation.
> There are different tests in use, resulting in different numbers. The two most
common tests are "motor octane" and "research octane".
> Av gas is measured in "motor octane".
> Car gas is the average of the two (note the R+M/2 posted on car gas pumps.)
> 87 octane car gas (regular) has a minimum motor octane of about 83 (and a research
octane of about 91, so the average is 87). So regular car gas works okay
in an engine certified for 80/87 (the first number is motor octane; the second
is still a third way of measuring octane).
> But even premium car gas, 91, is only about 87 motor octane, so it falls short
of the spec for the IO-540.
> As someone else said, the effect of tetraethyl lead is non-linear. The first
small dose gives the largest increase, so mixing a 50: 50 mixture of premium car
gas (87 motor octane) with 100LL will raise the octane more than half way (more
than 93.5) so it should be okay in the IO-540.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351609#351609
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Horizontal Stabilizer bolts loose at annual |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
My alert was the fractured torque seal. Torque seal is a MUST do on all critical
airframe and engine nuts.
--------
See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351625#351625
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mogas in IO-540 |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
It just so happens that 100 mogas does exist - our local RaceTrack guickie mart
sells 100 octane Race Car Fuel. You won't like the price....
John
> Interesting, so 100LL would have a higher octane than even 100 MOGAS if it existed?
--------
#40572 First flight was on 25 June, 2011
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| Subject: | Re: Horizontal Stabilizer bolts loose at annual |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
We lose some clamping force with all of that primer. There are many flight critical
connectons on this plane that should have drilled heads or shanks for safety
wire or cotter pins.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351652#351652
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Horizontal Stabilizer bolts loose at annual |
Good for ya!!! Any idea why they loosened??
Linn
On 9/6/2011 11:59 PM, AirMike wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"
>
> My alert was the fractured torque seal. Torque seal is a MUST do on all critical
airframe and engine nuts.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '11
> Q/B - flying 1 yr+
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351625#351625
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Horizontal Stabilizer bolts loose at annual |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
I suspect that:
1. Vibration loosened the nuts. Or
2. Vans has you install the bolts - top down with the nuts on the underside.
Thinking about it now, this might be wrong. I obviously torqued the assembly from
the top. Not the best way to do it. You do not get an accurate torque value.
If I were building again -bolts bottom-up. That way you can torque the nuts
precisely.
3. Some combination of inaccurate torque and vibration.
--------
See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351733#351733
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Horizontal Stabilizer bolts loose at annual |
I just know on those 4 particular AN3 bolts for the HS, access is an
issue. It is hard enough with regular lock nuts.
AirMike, i think fewer bounces on landing would help keeps nuts and
bolts from loosening. Just kidding! :D :D
On 9/8/2011 8:53 AM, Danny Riggs wrote:
> Soooo,
> What is the theory about substituting castle nuts and locking pins?
> Any good reason not to do so on these critical areas????
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Horizontal Stabilizer bolts loose at annual |
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| Subject: | YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I have the YIO-540 ordered directly from Vans. It came with the Airflow Performance
injection system.
My cylinder #5 has always been the first to reach peak EGT when leaning. I pulled
the injector, thinking it might be dirty. It wasn't, but I noticed it had a
band around it, indicating that it was the smallest of the three standard injectors
AFM sells. Does anyone know if this is the usual setup? I didn't look at
any other cylinder. Are they all "one banded"?
Bob
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351863#351863
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| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
Mine have single bands, which are .028".
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352160#352160
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
| From: | "EdKranz" <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks for all the great advice!
I decided to go with two 32" x 60" tables on wheels, with 3/4" MDF tops, with 4"
overhangs on all sides... on wheels.
I got them both built over the weekend, and between the two new benches, and my
existing built in 10' bench, I'm hoping to have enough room. I think they're
going to work really well.
Now that that's done, I guess it's on to the tool collecting stage!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352165#352165
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| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Okay, I"m confused. I have a copy of an Airflow manual which says one band is .022,
no band is .028".
Maybe the manual is out of date? Or just incorrect?
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352169#352169
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| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
Sorry, mine are about .023" not .028". I plan on balancing next year. They start
out small don't they.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352177#352177
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| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
Nope.... stock is .028...... my only adjustment was changing out the .028 f
or a .0265 in the #4 cylinder.- What I can tell you is that when you're d
oing the LOP test... do it on a couple (several) of different days, with di
fferent wind directions, and different temps, power settings, altitudes....
it all seems to matter... then just when you think you've got it, it'll ch
ange a little on you.- Also, rather than trying to write down all the gph
and temp settings, just take a digtal pic every 10th of a gallon.=0ADon Mc
Donald=0AFlying this wonderful machine!=0A=0AFrom: rv10flyer <wayne.gillisp
ie(at)yahoo.com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, September 13,
2011 2:44 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injector
com>=0A=0ASorry, mine are about .023" not .028". I plan on balancing next y
ear. They start out small don't they.=0A=0A--------=0AWayne Gillispie, A&am
p;P 5/93, PPC 10/08=0ABldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtop
- - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
====
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| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com> |
Must have been where I came up with .028". I also have new YIO-540 and it has .022-.023"
nozzles. Mfr is Precision Airmotive, LLC. Smaller nozzles keep the pressure
up for better atomization.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352186#352186
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| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
Not sure how much better it can get... I cruise with TAS around 190mph burn
ing between 8.8 and 10 gph.=0ADon-=0A=0AFrom: rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie@
yahoo.com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, September 13, 201
1 4:00 PM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors
om>=0A=0AMust have been where I came up with .028". I also have new YIO-540
and it has .022-.023" nozzles. Mfr is Precision Airmotive, LLC. Smaller no
zzles keep the pressure up for better atomization.=0A=0A--------=0AWayne Gi
llispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08=0ABldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exha
ust.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronic
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L
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| Subject: | Re: Workbench size? |
| From: | William DeLacey <whd721(at)msn.com> |
A useful addition I use is a pair of 4"x4" by four foot beams carpeted on top for
each bench. Use a 1"x2" piece and a lag bolt to clip the beams to the bench
top overhang.
Move them where ever you need them, makes the bench 4 foot wide temporarily and
allows chips and tools to be below the part, wing or stab. In addition, I have
four 4"x4" by two foot carpeted pieces. Use them between the 4' beams for support.
You can insert them and remove at will.
On Sep 13, 2011, at 10:32 AM, EdKranz wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the great advice!
>
> I decided to go with two 32" x 60" tables on wheels, with 3/4" MDF tops, with
4" overhangs on all sides... on wheels.
>
> I got them both built over the weekend, and between the two new benches, and
my existing built in 10' bench, I'm hoping to have enough room. I think they're
going to work really well.
>
> Now that that's done, I guess it's on to the tool collecting stage!
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352165#352165
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> |
Judy and I are heading out to the EastCoast from DVT. We are leaving Thurs
am. and plan to o'nite in Branson Mo. weather permitting, Then on into
Greenville NC. On Fri. We will spend the weekend with our son and daughter
in law and then head to FRG on Mon. We've made the trip from DVT -OSH-FRG a
couple of times and have a good idea of the what to see and expect on the
'northen' route, but with our son recently locating in NC it gives us an
opportunity to make the trip a bigger loop this time.
So since the east coast is not my stomping ground I thought I'd ping this
group for input. We are definitely going to make a visit to 1st Flight
either by air or land. While we are there. My son also informs me that we
HAVE to do some NC BarBQ while we are there. Other than that we'd love any
suggestions, particularly for fuel/rest stops & FBO's.
Deems
N519PJ
deemsrv10.com
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| From: | "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net> |
For NC Barbeque (or any barbeque for that matter), you can't do any better
than the Pik N Pig, right on the airport at Carthage, NC (5NC3). It is
about 45 nm southwest of Raleigh-Durham (KRDU). Here's a video about it:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/6056117/#/vid6056117
Note: The Pik N Pig is closed on Mondays, and they don't take credit cards.
Cash or check only.
Jack Phillips
#40610 Wings
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Trip East
Judy and I are heading out to the EastCoast from DVT. We are leaving Thurs
am. and plan to o'nite in Branson Mo. weather permitting, Then on into
Greenville NC. On Fri. We will spend the weekend with our son and daughter
in law and then head to FRG on Mon. We've made the trip from DVT -OSH-FRG a
couple of times and have a good idea of the what to see and expect on the
'northen' route, but with our son recently locating in NC it gives us an
opportunity to make the trip a bigger loop this time.
So since the east coast is not my stomping ground I thought I'd ping this
group for input. We are definitely going to make a visit to 1st Flight
either by air or land. While we are there. My son also informs me that we
HAVE to do some NC BarBQ while we are there. Other than that we'd love any
suggestions, particularly for fuel/rest stops & FBO's.
Deems
N519PJ
deemsrv10.com
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| From: | "Richard Bibb" <rbibb(at)tomet.net> |
If you've never been Williamsburg, VA is a must see. Colonial Williamsburg
is a short cab ride from KJGG and the airport has a very good airport
sandwich shop on the field. Short flight from Greenville area.
Richard Bibb
N104HB in progress
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Trip East
Judy and I are heading out to the EastCoast from DVT. We are leaving Thurs
am. and plan to o'nite in Branson Mo. weather permitting, Then on into
Greenville NC. On Fri. We will spend the weekend with our son and daughter
in law and then head to FRG on Mon. We've made the trip from DVT -OSH-FRG a
couple of times and have a good idea of the what to see and expect on the
'northen' route, but with our son recently locating in NC it gives us an
opportunity to make the trip a bigger loop this time.
So since the east coast is not my stomping ground I thought I'd ping this
group for input. We are definitely going to make a visit to 1st Flight
either by air or land. While we are there. My son also informs me that we
HAVE to do some NC BarBQ while we are there. Other than that we'd love any
suggestions, particularly for fuel/rest stops & FBO's.
Deems
N519PJ
deemsrv10.com
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
Some quick suggestions:
- Tangier Island (TGI). Need about 3 hours to see everything. A
real step back in time and great crab cakes.
- Ocean City (OXB).
- Fuel;
o ONX - Currituck County Regional Airport Currituck, NC
o ECG - Elizabeth City Coast Guard Air Station/Regional Airport Elizabeth
City, NC
o XSA - Tappahannock-Essex County Airport Tappahannock, VA if you find
yourself a little west of direct.
Carl
Dogwood Airpark (VA42)
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Trip East
Judy and I are heading out to the EastCoast from DVT. We are leaving Thurs
am. and plan to o'nite in Branson Mo. weather permitting, Then on into
Greenville NC. On Fri. We will spend the weekend with our son and daughter
in law and then head to FRG on Mon. We've made the trip from DVT -OSH-FRG a
couple of times and have a good idea of the what to see and expect on the
'northen' route, but with our son recently locating in NC it gives us an
opportunity to make the trip a bigger loop this time.
So since the east coast is not my stomping ground I thought I'd ping this
group for input. We are definitely going to make a visit to 1st Flight
either by air or land. While we are there. My son also informs me that we
HAVE to do some NC BarBQ while we are there. Other than that we'd love any
suggestions, particularly for fuel/rest stops & FBO's.
Deems
N519PJ
deemsrv10.com
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
Well, Pik-n-Pig is a must - 5NC3 - Carthage. The best in fly-in
NC-style barbecue. Saturday's at noon is often an RV fly-in but open
for lunch and dinner all week except Mondays.
I'd love to rendevous if you just share a day and time. Now that I'm
flying.... I have a life again .... I think.
Bill " 1.5 hours to Phase 2 and the smile just keeps getting wider"
Watson - Durham NC
On 9/13/2011 7:14 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Judy and I are heading out to the EastCoast from DVT. We are leaving
> Thurs am. and plan to o'nite in Branson Mo. weather permitting, Then
> on into Greenville NC. On Fri. We will spend the weekend with our son
> and daughter in law and then head to FRG on Mon. We've made the trip
> from DVT -OSH-FRG a couple of times and have a good idea of the what
> to see and expect on the 'northen' route, but with our son recently
> locating in NC it gives us an opportunity to make the trip a bigger
> loop this time.
>
> So since the east coast is not my stomping ground I thought I'd ping
> this group for input. We are definitely going to make a visit to 1st
> Flight either by air or land. While we are there. My son also informs
> me that we HAVE to do some NC BarBQ while we are there. Other than
> that we'd love any suggestions, particularly for fuel/rest stops & FBO's.
>
> Deems
>
> N519PJ
>
> deemsrv10.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David McNeill <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
In Branson the show to see is the Presley show ( not Elvis).
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 13, 2011, at 16:14, "Deems Davis" wrote:
> Judy and I are heading out to the EastCoast from DVT. We are leaving Thu
rs am. and plan to o=99nite in Branson Mo. weather permitting, Then on
into Greenville NC. On Fri. We will spend the weekend with our son and daug
hter in law and then head to FRG on Mon. We=99ve made the trip from DV
T -OSH-FRG a couple of times and have a good idea of the what to see and exp
ect on the =98northen=99 route, but with our son recently locati
ng in NC it gives us an opportunity to make the trip a bigger loop this time
.
>
> So since the east coast is not my stomping ground I thought I=99d pi
ng this group for input. We are definitely going to make a visit to 1st Flig
ht either by air or land. While we are there. My son also informs me that we
HAVE to do some NC BarBQ while we are there. Other than that we=99d l
ove any suggestions, particularly for fuel/rest stops & FBO=99s.
>
>
>
> Deems
>
> N519PJ
>
> deemsrv10.com
>
>
>
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
Depending on weather, you might consider southern route. Hot Springs AR
is one potential stop. Or you can just follow I-10 to I-20 to I-30 to
I-40 all the way to Knoxville, then aim south a bit for NC.
If you do planned route, Springfield Branson FBO is pretty good and has
a self serve at one end of the field, IIRC. I don't know anything about
the new Branson airport. Depending on whether you plan on non-stop or
not, Borger, BGD is a good fuel stop...I prefer it to Dalhart, although
Dalhart is acceptable as well.
On 9/13/2011 5:14 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Judy and I are heading out to the EastCoast from DVT. We are leaving
> Thurs am. and plan to onite in Branson Mo. weather permitting, Then
> on into Greenville NC. On Fri. We will spend the weekend with our son
> and daughter in law and then head to FRG on Mon. Weve made the trip
> from DVT -OSH-FRG a couple of times and have a good idea of the what
> to see and expect on the northen route, but with our son recently
> locating in NC it gives us an opportunity to make the trip a bigger
> loop this time.
>
> So since the east coast is not my stomping ground I thought Id ping
> this group for input. We are definitely going to make a visit to 1st
> Flight either by air or land. While we are there. My son also informs
> me that we HAVE to do some NC BarBQ while we are there. Other than
> that wed love any suggestions, particularly for fuel/rest stops & FBOs.
>
> Deems
>
> N519PJ
>
> deemsrv10.com
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
Stop by Spartanburg - Airflow Performance and visit Don. The BMW plant was
interesting then you could take in the Carolinas as a pair.
On Sep 13, 2011 4:23 PM, "Deems Davis" wrote:
> Judy and I are heading out to the EastCoast from DVT. We are leaving Thurs
> am. and plan to o'nite in Branson Mo. weather permitting, Then on into
> Greenville NC. On Fri. We will spend the weekend with our son and daughter
> in law and then head to FRG on Mon. We've made the trip from DVT -OSH-FRG
a
> couple of times and have a good idea of the what to see and expect on the
> 'northen' route, but with our son recently locating in NC it gives us an
> opportunity to make the trip a bigger loop this time.
>
> So since the east coast is not my stomping ground I thought I'd ping this
> group for input. We are definitely going to make a visit to 1st Flight
> either by air or land. While we are there. My son also informs me that we
> HAVE to do some NC BarBQ while we are there. Other than that we'd love any
> suggestions, particularly for fuel/rest stops & FBO's.
>
>
> Deems
>
> N519PJ
>
> deemsrv10.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)q.com> |
KBBG is a brand new facility last year; new runways, ILS, etc. I used the
FBO there; rental cars are available at the terminal adjacent.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trip East
Depending on weather, you might consider southern route. Hot Springs AR
is one potential stop. Or you can just follow I-10 to I-20 to I-30 to
I-40 all the way to Knoxville, then aim south a bit for NC.
If you do planned route, Springfield Branson FBO is pretty good and has
a self serve at one end of the field, IIRC. I don't know anything about
the new Branson airport. Depending on whether you plan on non-stop or
not, Borger, BGD is a good fuel stop...I prefer it to Dalhart, although
Dalhart is acceptable as well.
On 9/13/2011 5:14 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Judy and I are heading out to the EastCoast from DVT. We are leaving
> Thurs am. and plan to o'nite in Branson Mo. weather permitting, Then
> on into Greenville NC. On Fri. We will spend the weekend with our son
> and daughter in law and then head to FRG on Mon. We've made the trip
> from DVT -OSH-FRG a couple of times and have a good idea of the what
> to see and expect on the 'northen' route, but with our son recently
> locating in NC it gives us an opportunity to make the trip a bigger
> loop this time.
>
> So since the east coast is not my stomping ground I thought I'd ping
> this group for input. We are definitely going to make a visit to 1st
> Flight either by air or land. While we are there. My son also informs
> me that we HAVE to do some NC BarBQ while we are there. Other than
> that we'd love any suggestions, particularly for fuel/rest stops & FBO's.
>
> Deems
>
> N519PJ
>
> deemsrv10.com
>
> *
>
>
> *
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CgpkZWVtc3J2MTAuY29tCgo
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| From: | "orchidman" <gary(at)wingscc.com> |
fehdxlbb(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Also consider stopping at Gaston's Resort in Arkansas, Beaumont Hotel in Kansas,
or Lambert's Cafe in Springfield, Missouri. All great places to eat. Have
fun! Best, Jim
Probably need to skip Beaumont as we have rain moving into the area today (hit-n-miss)
and more steady tonight and tomorrow. Make sure you are up on your IFR
for most of OK and AR Thursday.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352253#352253
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| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
If you decide to try the real southern route, there is cheap fuel at X35 (and someone
who would take you to dinner), Cedar Key is a really nice place to visit
(KCDK), I have heard great things about Amelia Island (KFHB).
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| From: | "BPA" <BPA(at)bpaengines.com> |
Deems, if you have time stop in Tulsa for a short visit.
Allen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Trip East
Judy and I are heading out to the EastCoast from DVT. We are leaving
Thurs am. and plan to o'nite in Branson Mo. weather permitting, Then on
into Greenville NC. On Fri. We will spend the weekend with our son and
daughter in law and then head to FRG on Mon. We've made the trip from
DVT -OSH-FRG a couple of times and have a good idea of the what to see
and expect on the 'northen' route, but with our son recently locating in
NC it gives us an opportunity to make the trip a bigger loop this time.
So since the east coast is not my stomping ground I thought I'd ping
this group for input. We are definitely going to make a visit to 1st
Flight either by air or land. While we are there. My son also informs me
that we HAVE to do some NC BarBQ while we are there. Other than that
we'd love any suggestions, particularly for fuel/rest stops & FBO's.
Deems
N519PJ
deemsrv10.com
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| From: | "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.com> |
Deems;
If weather pushes you around and you need an overnight in North East
Texas, I have extra rooms available here in Paris.
PS
That goes for any other RV10 ers who need an overnight.
Dr Fred
KPRX
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
Service Bulletin 11-9-13 (all models)
Posted on factory site today. Comply before further flight.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb11-9-13.pdf
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
Once I get my plane flying and =9Cbroken in=9D I=99ll
fly out to Pecan and we=99ll get the settings worked out. Sounds
like you=99re a guru! specially with those Gph. I just filled ONE
tank and it was $200.. ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- reality is sinking in.
Pascal
From: Don McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors
Nope.... stock is .028...... my only adjustment was changing out the
.028 for a .0265 in the #4 cylinder. What I can tell you is that when
you're doing the LOP test... do it on a couple (several) of different
days, with different wind directions, and different temps, power
settings, altitudes.... it all seems to matter... then just when you
think you've got it, it'll change a little on you. Also, rather than
trying to write down all the gph and temp settings, just take a digtal
pic every 10th of a gallon.
Don McDonald
Flying this wonderful machine!
From: rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors
Sorry, mine are about .023" not .028". I plan on balancing next year.
They start out small don't they.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352177#352177http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listontent also available via the Web
-Matt Dralle, List Admin.======
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| From: | "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> |
Makes me glad I did not get Sloshed during my aircraft build. Sometimes it
is good to follow the plans.
Will hit 200 hours on my plane on the next flight...seems like I just
finished it.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:31 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Vans SB
Service Bulletin 11-9-13 (all models)
Posted on factory site today. Comply before further flight.
<http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb11-9-13.pdf>
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb11-9-13.pdf
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| From: | Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com> |
| Subject: | Elevator Trim Indication |
http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315888107/0
I was playing with calibrating my elevator trim indicator on the Skyview
system, when i noticed something non-intuitive to me.
The calibration tool has you set full nose up 0V, full nose down 5V, and
take off position (not flying yet so not sure). However, there is no
calibration for neutral position, or where the trim tab trailing edge is
even with the elevator trailing edge which is at 3.2V. Thus, when my
trim tab is at the neutral position, the indicator is a notch or two
higher than center.
I was just curious how other systems are calibrated. Is this a
non-issue? I just intuitively thought this would be useful since we
can't directly see the trim tab in flight.
We can see the elevator counteweights. Thus, when those are even with
the HS, can i assume the trim tab trailing edges must be even too?
Jae
40533
Hating paperwork way more than fiberglass work!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> |
| Subject: | Elevator Trim Indication |
I have the GRT system and the calibration goes about the same way, except I
do not get to set a takeoff position. Wish I could. I have found no use
for the middle position marker other than to judge how far above I need to
be for takeoff.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication
http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315888107/0
I was playing with calibrating my elevator trim indicator on the Skyview
system, when i noticed something non-intuitive to me.
The calibration tool has you set full nose up 0V, full nose down 5V, and
take off position (not flying yet so not sure). However, there is no
calibration for neutral position, or where the trim tab trailing edge is
even with the elevator trailing edge which is at 3.2V. Thus, when my
trim tab is at the neutral position, the indicator is a notch or two
higher than center.
I was just curious how other systems are calibrated. Is this a
non-issue? I just intuitively thought this would be useful since we
can't directly see the trim tab in flight.
We can see the elevator counteweights. Thus, when those are even with
the HS, can i assume the trim tab trailing edges must be even too?
Jae
40533
Hating paperwork way more than fiberglass work!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Elevator Trim Indication |
| From: | Marcus Cooper <coop85(at)verizon.net> |
I suspect knowing when the trim is at 0 in-flight is not very useful as you only
really care about trimming to level flight. I have the original Allen display
and it shows about 1 notch up for takeoff which is pretty close to neutral.
Marcus
On Sep 14, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Jae Chang wrote:
http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315888107/0
I was playing with calibrating my elevator trim indicator on the Skyview system,
when i noticed something non-intuitive to me.
The calibration tool has you set full nose up 0V, full nose down 5V, and take off
position (not flying yet so not sure). However, there is no calibration for
neutral position, or where the trim tab trailing edge is even with the elevator
trailing edge which is at 3.2V. Thus, when my trim tab is at the neutral position,
the indicator is a notch or two higher than center.
I was just curious how other systems are calibrated. Is this a non-issue? I just
intuitively thought this would be useful since we can't directly see the trim
tab in flight.
We can see the elevator counteweights. Thus, when those are even with the HS, can
i assume the trim tab trailing edges must be even too?
Jae
40533
Hating paperwork way more than fiberglass work!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
Big deal..... fill the motorhome!=0A=0A=0AFrom: Pascal <rv10flyer(at)verizon.n
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8 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors=0A
=0A=0AOnce I get my plane flying and =9Cbroken in=9D I=99
ll fly out to Pecan and we=99ll =0Aget the settings worked out. Sound
s like you=99re a guru! specially with those =0AGph. I just filled ON
E tank and it was $200.. ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- reality is =0Asinking in. =0AP
ascal =0A=0AFrom: Don McDonald =0ASent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:31 P
M =0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 ai
rflow performance =0Ainjectors =0A Nope.... stock is .028...... my only adj
ustment was changing out the =0A.028 for a .0265 in the #4 cylinder.=C2-
What I can tell you is that when =0Ayou're doing the LOP test... do it on a
couple (several) of different days, with =0Adifferent wind directions, and
different temps, power settings, altitudes.... it =0Aall seems to matter..
. then just when you think you've got it, it'll change a =0Alittle on you.
=C2- Also, rather than trying to write down all the gph and temp =0Asetti
ngs, just take a digtal pic every 10th of a gallon. =0ADon McDonald =0AFlyi
ng this wonderful machine! =0A=0AFrom: rv10flyer =0A<wayne.gillispie@yahoo.
com>=0ATo: rv10-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:44
=0APM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Re: =0AYIO-540 airflow performance injectors
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Trim Indication |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, trailing position is irrelevant. Also, trailing is not necessarily the
midpoint of the trim range, so no reason you should expect it to be 2.5v.
-Rob
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> I suspect knowing when the trim is at 0 in-flight is not very useful as you
> only really care about trimming to level flight. I have the original Allen
> display and it shows about 1 notch up for takeoff which is pretty close to
> neutral.
>
> Marcus
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Jae Chang wrote:
>
>
> http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315888107/0
>
> I was playing with calibrating my elevator trim indicator on the Skyview
> system, when i noticed something non-intuitive to me.
>
> The calibration tool has you set full nose up 0V, full nose down 5V, and
> take off position (not flying yet so not sure). However, there is no
> calibration for neutral position, or where the trim tab trailing edge is
> even with the elevator trailing edge which is at 3.2V. Thus, when my trim
> tab is at the neutral position, the indicator is a notch or two higher than
> center.
>
> I was just curious how other systems are calibrated. Is this a non-issue? I
> just intuitively thought this would be useful since we can't directly see
> the trim tab in flight.
>
> We can see the elevator counteweights. Thus, when those are even with the
> HS, can i assume the trim tab trailing edges must be even too?
>
> Jae
> 40533
> Hating paperwork way more than fiberglass work!
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
The SB makes sense for some older models IF they used poor grade
sloshing compound. ProSeal PR1005-L and the Flamemaster equivalent have
been around for at least 30 years and do not have any of the issues that
other sealers do. In fact it has been specified and used in Mooney tanks
for more like 50 years without a problem. I'm still considering using it
in my Manila built tanks. So they should not have generically said
sloshing sealer, but identified which specific sealers cause the problem.
On 9/14/2011 10:31 AM, Rene Felker wrote:
>
> Makes me glad I did not get Sloshed during my aircraft build.
> Sometimes it is good to follow the plans.
>
> Will hit 200 hours on my plane on the next flight..seems like I just
> finished it.
>
> Rene' Felker
>
> N423CF
>
> 801-721-6080
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Pascal
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:31 AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Vans SB
>
> Service Bulletin 11-9-13 (all models)
> Posted on factory site today. Comply before further flight.
>
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb11-9-13.pdf
>
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| From: | "n801bh(at)netzero.com" <n801bh(at)netzero.com> |
I sloshed my tanks on my experimental 8 years and 3000+ gallons of Ethan
ol laced fuel that has run through it..... I did do a very thorough prep
on the tank inner surfaces to get it to stick, ie, abraded the surface
with small sharp gravel and tumbled the tanks for about an hour, compl
etely flushed it multiple times with water and then MEK. This was even
before it had one drop of fuel in it. I used the new Randolph 912 alcoho
l proof sloshing compound and did two coats..... Absolutely NO sign of i
t delaminating...
Where people get in trouble is when they have run fuel in the tanks and
that gas has laid a deposit of varnish on the tanks inner surface.... Th
ey then slosh it to fix a leak and the compound doesn't stand a chance
of adhering properly.... Those horror stories are what keeps the sloshin
g compound topic alive. IMHO.
Ben...
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans SB
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:35:38 -0600
The SB makes sense for some older models IF they used poor grade
sloshing compound. ProSeal PR1005-L and the Flamemaster equivalent have
been around for at least 30 years and do not have any of the issues that
other sealers do. In fact it has been specified and used in Mooney tanks
for more like 50 years without a problem. I'm still considering using it
in my Manila built tanks. So they should not have generically said
sloshing sealer, but identified which specific sealers cause the problem
.
On 9/14/2011 10:31 AM, Rene Felker wrote:
>
> Makes me glad I did not get Sloshed during my aircraft build.
> Sometimes it is good to follow the plans.
>
> Will hit 200 hours on my plane on the next flight=85..seems like I jus
t
> finished it.
>
> Rene' Felker
>
> N423CF
>
> 801-721-6080
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Pascal
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:31 AM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Vans SB
>
> Service Bulletin 11-9-13 (all models)
> Posted on factory site today. Comply before further flight.
>
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Elevator Trim Indication |
I was rather disappointed with the Skyview trim displays, so I use the VP200
display for the roll and elevator trim. I have neutral as the trim on the
elevator is level with the elevator. I'll figure out what neutral really is
when the plane flies. Having the initial neutral was important to me so I
know what "flush" is. I'll get the takeoff settings figured out after a few
takeoffs. No idea what it is now and I sure dont want too much either.
No idea about the voltage at each setting, only care what I see on the
display.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Jae Chang
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication
http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315888107/0
I was playing with calibrating my elevator trim indicator on the Skyview
system, when i noticed something non-intuitive to me.
The calibration tool has you set full nose up 0V, full nose down 5V, and
take off position (not flying yet so not sure). However, there is no
calibration for neutral position, or where the trim tab trailing edge is
even with the elevator trailing edge which is at 3.2V. Thus, when my
trim tab is at the neutral position, the indicator is a notch or two
higher than center.
I was just curious how other systems are calibrated. Is this a
non-issue? I just intuitively thought this would be useful since we
can't directly see the trim tab in flight.
We can see the elevator counteweights. Thus, when those are even with
the HS, can i assume the trim tab trailing edges must be even too?
Jae
40533
Hating paperwork way more than fiberglass work!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rene Felker" <rene(at)felker.com> |
| Subject: | Elevator Trim Indication |
I had two exciting moments during my phase 1.....
1. On the first takeoff I set my trim to be even with the elevator (No Trim).
The take off was a little exciting.......I started the rotation, the plane took
off and then plane kept rotating. It took both hands to hold the nose down
while I adjusted the trim. I would recommend that on your first flight you put
in a little nose down trim.....better to under rotate than to over rotate.
2. Doing prolonged slips at altitude, be careful which wing is down and what the
fuel level is in the selected tank. Otherwise the fan that keeps the pilot
cool stops working. Leveled out, fuel pump on.....fan started working again....
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication
I was rather disappointed with the Skyview trim displays, so I use the VP200
display for the roll and elevator trim. I have neutral as the trim on the
elevator is level with the elevator. I'll figure out what neutral really is
when the plane flies. Having the initial neutral was important to me so I
know what "flush" is. I'll get the takeoff settings figured out after a few
takeoffs. No idea what it is now and I sure dont want too much either.
No idea about the voltage at each setting, only care what I see on the
display.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Jae Chang
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication
http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315888107/0
I was playing with calibrating my elevator trim indicator on the Skyview
system, when i noticed something non-intuitive to me.
The calibration tool has you set full nose up 0V, full nose down 5V, and
take off position (not flying yet so not sure). However, there is no
calibration for neutral position, or where the trim tab trailing edge is
even with the elevator trailing edge which is at 3.2V. Thus, when my
trim tab is at the neutral position, the indicator is a notch or two
higher than center.
I was just curious how other systems are calibrated. Is this a
non-issue? I just intuitively thought this would be useful since we
can't directly see the trim tab in flight.
We can see the elevator counteweights. Thus, when those are even with
the HS, can i assume the trim tab trailing edges must be even too?
Jae
40533
Hating paperwork way more than fiberglass work!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Mystery solved. After a very nice email from Don at AirFlow Performance, it seems
I got my "P's" mixed up. I have a Precision, not Performance, fuel injection
system. And they use different nomenclature: The "one banded" restrictors from
Precision are .028" (while one band from Performance means .022").
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352334#352334
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| From: | "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Dash board edge trim |
I am finalizing the plane for weight and balance and making sure I have done
everything I want to do. I am wondering what folks have done to soften the
edge of the dash (the aft edge of the F-1071 FWD fuse top skin). I do not
want to do anything too fancy but simple and quick but nice looking. I
noticed the Van's RV-10 has automotive type fuel line split down the middle
and slipped over the edge, which is ok, I guess, but I would like a slight
step above that solution.
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072
N919AR
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| From: | "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com> |
| Subject: | Dash board edge trim |
This is what I used..can't remember how long..
http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GSF12
Rene'
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Dash board edge trim
I am finalizing the plane for weight and balance and making sure I have done
everything I want to do. I am wondering what folks have done to soften the
edge of the dash (the aft edge of the F-1071 FWD fuse top skin). I do not
want to do anything too fancy but simple and quick but nice looking. I
noticed the Van's RV-10 has automotive type fuel line split down the middle
and slipped over the edge, which is ok, I guess, but I would like a slight
step above that solution.
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072
N919AR
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| From: | "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Dash board edge trim |
Aircraft Door Seals
<http://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_24&products_id=1
23> will custom make a glareshield to your template. I had one in my
Cherokee and really liked it. It has a nice padded brow. I'm thinking
about doing the same in my RV-10. I think it looks nicer that the cloth
that Abby sells. But again, that's my opinion.
Description: PA-28 Glareshield (Standard)
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Dash board edge trim
I am finalizing the plane for weight and balance and making sure I have done
everything I want to do. I am wondering what folks have done to soften the
edge of the dash (the aft edge of the F-1071 FWD fuse top skin). I do not
want to do anything too fancy but simple and quick but nice looking. I
noticed the Van's RV-10 has automotive type fuel line split down the middle
and slipped over the edge, which is ok, I guess, but I would like a slight
step above that solution.
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072
N919AR
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| Subject: | Re: Dash board edge trim |
| From: | Rick <ricksked(at)cox.net> |
Get with Abby from flightline interiors. She has a great glareshield cover a
nd edge.
Rick
RV-10 x 2
RV Central Las Vegas
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 14, 2011, at 7:18 PM, "Rene" wrote:
> This is what I used.can=99t remember how long.
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> http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GSF12
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> Rene'
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> 801-721-6080
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:42 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Dash board edge trim
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> I am finalizing the plane for weight and balance and making sure I have do
ne everything I want to do. I am wondering what folks have done to soften th
e edge of the dash (the aft edge of the F-1071 FWD fuse top skin). I do not w
ant to do anything too fancy but simple and quick but nice looking. I notice
d the Van's RV-10 has automotive type fuel line split down the middle and sl
ipped over the edge, which is ok, I guess, but I would like a slight step ab
ove that solution.
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> Thanks
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> Chris Lucas
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> #40072
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> N919AR
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
And the "Performance" give substantially more control at adjusting LOP
operations. There are several other benefits not stated. PLUS Don and his
wife are small business owners striving hard to make it right. The
Precision guys are big business and many Certified Assessories.
John - 40600
On Sep 14, 2011 6:23 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote:
>
> Mystery solved. After a very nice email from Don at AirFlow Performance,
it seems I got my "P's" mixed up. I have a Precision, not Performance, fuel
injection system. And they use different nomenclature: The "one banded"
restrictors from Precision are .028" (while one band from Performance means
.022").
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> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352334#352334
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
Not sure I see the advantages. My RSA on my certified Lycoming will
easily run 70-80 LOP, and has stock nozzles.
On 9/14/2011 10:14 PM, John Cox wrote:
>
> And the "Performance" give substantially more control at adjusting LOP
> operations. There are several other benefits not stated. PLUS Don
> and his wife are small business owners striving hard to make it
> right. The Precision guys are big business and many Certified
> Assessories.
>
> John - 40600
>
> On Sep 14, 2011 6:23 PM, "Bob Turner" > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Mystery solved. After a very nice email from Don at AirFlow
> Performance, it seems I got my "P's" mixed up. I have a Precision, not
> Performance, fuel injection system. And they use different
> nomenclature: The "one banded" restrictors from Precision are .028"
> (while one band from Performance means .022").
> >
> > --------
> > Bob Turner
> > RV-10 QB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352334#352334
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