RV10-Archive.digest.vol-kr
August 13, 2015 - October 15, 2015
Marcus
> On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:31 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
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> I took the seat out today
> Could not get a socket wrench in so had to use an open end which made it tedious
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> Any one come across a small socket set that would fit?
> Alan
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>> On Aug 7, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
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>> Don't even try to remove the seat back. Take the whole seat out.
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>> Carl
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>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of amekler
>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 12:38 PM
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: removing seat
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>> I need to remove my front seat back for a upholstery repair Can the seat
>> back be removed or must I remove the whole seat?
>> What is easiest?
>> Alan
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>> ps does anyone have a schematic of the seat?
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>> Alan
>> N668G
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: removing seat |
And, don't buy the ones that don't reverse. You can sometimes get stuck not being
able to get the Wrench off, if you don't have the reversing ones.
Tim
> On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
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> Ive used the ratchet wrenches a lot. I cant remember if ti will work there,
but they really make life easy when applicable. The quality brands are worth
the extra $$.
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> Marcus
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>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:31 AM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
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>> I took the seat out today
>> Could not get a socket wrench in so had to use an open end which made it tedious
.
>> Any one come across a small socket set that would fit?
>> Alan
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Aug 7, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
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>>> Don't even try to remove the seat back. Take the whole seat out.
>>>
>>> Carl
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of amekler
>>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 12:38 PM
>>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: removing seat
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>>> I need to remove my front seat back for a upholstery repair Can the seat
>>> back be removed or must I remove the whole seat?
>>> What is easiest?
>>> Alan
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>>> ps does anyone have a schematic of the seat?
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> N668G
>>> 330 hrs
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>>> Read this topic online here:
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>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445671#445671
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| From: | David Clifford <davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: removing seat |
A thin wall 1/4" drive socket works great. I just ground a standard socket down
to fit and keep it separated for just that purpose to remove the seat.
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:
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> I took the seat out today
> Could not get a socket wrench in so had to use an open end which made it tedious
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> Any one come across a small socket set that would fit?
> Alan
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 7, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
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>> Don't even try to remove the seat back. Take the whole seat out.
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>> Carl
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of amekler
>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 12:38 PM
>> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: removing seat
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>>
>> I need to remove my front seat back for a upholstery repair Can the seat
>> back be removed or must I remove the whole seat?
>> What is easiest?
>> Alan
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>> ps does anyone have a schematic of the seat?
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>> Alan
>> N668G
>> 330 hrs
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445671#445671
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| Subject: | Re: removing seat |
| From: | Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net> |
sounds like the easiest way.
alan
> On Aug 7, 2015, at 12:38 PM, amekler wrote:
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> I need to remove my front seat back for a upholstery repair
> Can the seat back be removed or must I remove the whole seat?
> What is easiest?
> Alan
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> ps does anyone have a schematic of the seat?
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> Alan
> N668G
> 330 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: removing seat |
| From: | "Greg McFarlane" <grbcmcfarlane(at)gmail.com> |
RV10 Front Seat removal has been a topic that's generated a lot of interest Alan.
FlyingNuts solution is the way I went with minor adjustments after others had
worked it out. That is, cut 3/8inch off the top forward nylon runners, extend
the two holes in the seat rail stops through the seat floor F1067A then fit
two nut plates per seat under the seat floor for the seat stop bolts (need to
be a little longer than originals) Now only two easy accessed bolts to remove
the seat stop allows the seat to be removed rearward without the removal of T
handles, Cushions or flap cover. JFYI there is a thread on VAF RV10 forum started
in 2010 to 2015 that has been viewed about 5000 times and to date has generated
42 replies with pretty much everything known to man about RV10 front seat
removal fleshed out. If interested search VAF RV10 forum "looking for seat
rail mod" my post is number 36. Cheers from Western Australia
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445925#445925
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Bug in the (Gretz) Pitot |
Well, it finally happened to me - an insect built a home in my uncovered
pitot tube.
At about 600 hours I had my first declared emergency. I lost my
airspeed indication in IMC conditions. Fortunately I was hand flying
the plane at the time and didn't notice the drop until I engaged the
Trutrak AP. When I did that, the airspeed was still 'okay' but
dropping. When it reached a certain threshold, the AP responded by
flagging "AS" and diving to prevent a stall.
I disengaged and repeated the same operation while not quite allowing
the "AS" flag to sink in.
It seemed like a good idea to ask for vectors to VMC and the nearest
airport which I did. When asked if declaring I said 'yes' and landed
without incident in the unfortunately named town of Lynchburg. The '10
flies quite easily without reference to airspeed so no problem.
Problem determination pointed to some kind of clog in the Gretz unit
which in fact seemed clogged. I was hesitant to stick anything in it so
I blew it out with shop air and soaked in alcohol overnight hoping to
dissolve any organic material.
It seemed to still be partially clogged but I decided to test fly it and
all seemed well.
The next several flight involved flying in rain but each time I
enountered even the lightest precip, the airspeed would begin to drop.
Heavy rain would effectively disable use of the AP. But after some dry
air flying things would return to normal.
A call to Andrew at Angus Aviation, current owner of the Gretz heated
pitot, indicated that the pitot is simply a copper tube with external
heating elements and that poking it with a pipe cleaner or whatever
would be no problem.
I poked some things through there and determined that yes there was
organic material in there. Apparently just enough to restrict airflow a
bit but not enough to prevent accurate airspeed indications. However,
with application of a bit of moisture it swelled up and blocked the
pressure.
All good now. Use your pitot cover!
Bill "exhausting every possibility before doing the obvious" Watson
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| From: | "Greg McFarlane" <grbcmcfarlane(at)gmail.com> |
After reading posts by others about brakes overheating due to brakes dragging (fluid
pressure failing to release) I decided to revisit my rudder/brake peddle
installation, I know others have said the standard setup has worked fine for
them but JFYI here is my effort to reduce global warming. First, to reduce the
chance of unintentional brake application while taxiing using full rudder input
as the main steering method a 3/4"round nylon addition was bolted to each rudder
bar with 2 #8 screws, the back is turned out 1/8"so it nests on the bar
giving approx another 5/8"toes to brakes. The 2 bolts per brake peddle with the
potential to twist and bind if not perfectly adjusted (all the time) were replaced
with a single long bolt, AN3-57A was perfect for my lug to lug distance
of five and half inches and allowed a nylock nut with washers to bottom out and
allow perfect frictionless movement. Next made up a two hole bracket riveted
to the original so the bottom brake cylinder bolt now has two supports, again
the longer bolt is sized so nyloc nut with washers bottoms out. All home grown
cheap fixes that IMHO are well worth the effort. Cheers from Western Australia
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446182#446182
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| Subject: | Re: Dragging Brakes |
| From: | Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> |
Thanks for the pic .... 1000 words! The other thing you can do is put a
compression spring on the brake cylinder shaft to help it fully relax.
the spring won't totally help the big feet problem but will help the
lightly dragging brake problem.
Linn ..... sorry, no pic
On 8/20/2015 8:59 AM, Greg McFarlane wrote:
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> After reading posts by others about brakes overheating due to brakes dragging
(fluid pressure failing to release) I decided to revisit my rudder/brake peddle
installation, I know others have said the standard setup has worked fine for
them but JFYI here is my effort to reduce global warming. First, to reduce the
chance of unintentional brake application while taxiing using full rudder input
as the main steering method a 3/4"round nylon addition was bolted to each
rudder bar with 2 #8 screws, the back is turned out 1/8"so it nests on the bar
giving approx another 5/8"toes to brakes. The 2 bolts per brake peddle with
the potential to twist and bind if not perfectly adjusted (all the time) were
replaced with a single long bolt, AN3-57A was perfect for my lug to lug distance
of five and half inches and allowed a nylock nut with washers to bottom out
and allow perfect frictionless movement. Next made up a two hole bracket riveted
to the original so the bottom brake cylinder bolt !
> now has two supports, again the longer bolt is sized so nyloc nut with washers
bottoms out. All home grown cheap fixes that IMHO are well worth the effort.
Cheers from Western Australia
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| Subject: | MIT aerodynamics lecture |
| From: | "bob88" <marty.crooks(at)comcast.net> |
Some time ago I watched a very old video of an MIT lecture demonstrating dramatic
drag reduction with airfoil shape vs several other shapes. If anyone out there
knows where to find this I would appreciate it.
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| Subject: | Re: MIT aerodynamics lecture |
| From: | "mdaniell" <martin.daniell(at)bigpond.com> |
I think this might be the link you're after
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp3OHzNt7Iw
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446300#446300
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| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MIT aerodynamics lecture |
This is the one you probably want.
12. Fluid Dynamics of Drag (Part IV)
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From: mdaniell <martin.daniell(at)bigpond.com>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 3:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: MIT aerodynamics lecture
I think this might be the link you're after
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp3OHzNt7Iw
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| From: | Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> |
The MIT lectures don't appear to be what I have been looking for ........
The video I've been seeking has the test items mounted vertically. It
used a rod, square tube, airfoil etc also hooked to a scale. A lot less
noise than the MIT videos!!!
Linn
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| From: | Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com> |
This one? http://youtu.be/PIITm1ZzwaY
Shannon
On Sunday, August 23, 2015, Linn Walters wrote:
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> The MIT lectures don't appear to be what I have been looking for ........
> The video I've been seeking has the test items mounted vertically. It
> used a rod, square tube, airfoil etc also hooked to a scale. A lot less
> noise than the MIT videos!!!
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> Linn
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| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
I think it might be this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftq8jTQ8ANE
Same series, but he mounts a rectangle, a rod, and an airfoil on the beam,
and test drag differences between them.
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Shannon Hicks wrote:
> This one? http://youtu.be/PIITm1ZzwaY
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| From: | Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> |
Thanks to everyone who replied to my query ....
There appears to be a slew of drag-related videos done by Ascher H.
Shapiro .... MIT professor. Not what I'm looking for.
The video I'm searching for (as I remember it) had much simpler hardware
and mounted the test pieces vertically with the fan blowing
horizontally. As I remember it, the setup was far simpler than the
balance beam. The video may not be on Youtube .... my searches there
haven't found it ..... but on a website somewhere else. I'm just hoping
somebody recalls it ...... I want to duplicate it for the Boy Scouts
merit badge.
Linn
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| From: | Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> |
I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get an
ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad for
charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed to
a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together as
are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170 is
by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not really
an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
Thanks,
Marcus
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP
model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with
your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP
may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not
sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it,
it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though. I
have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one into my RV14 as well...both
to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the iPad. One tip...if you go
with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves some money. I have WingX,
Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just
turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested and it's way better than
the original version...you wouldn't want that old version. But now you have
many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL of those portables and definitely
buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is permanently installed, no
matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will only receive something if
someone is transmitting in your very local area.
Tim
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
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> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>
> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>
> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>
> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> |
You might check out the pathfinder http://www.fdatasystems.com/pathfinder
What are you doing for ADS-B out? Just curious.
I have MGL Odyssey panels and have a Trig transponder for out. Looking
at the pathfinder for in, but haven't purchased it. The closer I get to
flying I think there'll be even more options, but I'm sure the prices
will also increase. Hobson's choice!
Linn
On 8/28/2015 3:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
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> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>
> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>
> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>
> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> |
Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to put
off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I hadnt
heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
Thanks again,
Marcus
On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP
model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with
your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP
may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not
sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it,
it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though. I
have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one i!
nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the
iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves
some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested
and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old
version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL of
those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is
permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will
only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
Tim
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
>
> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>
> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>
> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>
> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> |
After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the way
to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS and
iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel
then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
Thanks again for the info,
Marcus
On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to put
off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I hadnt
heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
Thanks again,
Marcus
On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP
model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with
your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP
may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not
sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it,
it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though. I
have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one i!
nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the
iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that saves
some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested
and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old
version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL of
those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is
permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will
only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
Tim
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
>
> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>
> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>
> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>
> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
Most of us have put them behind the baggage bulkhead next to the batteries.
That makes running the gps and transponder antenna easier.
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
>
> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel
then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>
> Thanks again for the info,
> Marcus
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to put
off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I hadnt
heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP
model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with
your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP
may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not
sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it,
it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one i!
> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the
iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested
and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old
version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is
permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will
only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
> Tim
>
>
>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>
>>
>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>
>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>>
>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>
>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Bill, that makes sense.
I received a response from the Bill Moffitt at NavWorx regarding communicating
to multiple devices, here it is:
The product description has the ADS600-EXP sending traffic & weather data
to an EFIS (e.g. GRT, AFS, etc) traffic & weather data over the built-in
Wifi to iOS or Android devices - up to 7 devices in the airplane at one time.
The ADS600-EXP is the same hardware and software as in our STC/AML/TSO certified
ADS600-B product.
Marcus
On Aug 28, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
Most of us have put them behind the baggage bulkhead next to the batteries.
That makes running the gps and transponder antenna easier.
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
>
> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel
then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>
> Thanks again for the info,
> Marcus
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to put
off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I hadnt
heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP
model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with
your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP
may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not
sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it,
it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one!
i!
> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the
iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested
and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old
version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is
permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will
only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
> Tim
>
>
>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>
>>
>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>
>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>>
>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>
>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
>
> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument panel
then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>
> Thanks again for the info,
> Marcus
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to put
off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I hadnt
heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or EXP
model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates with
your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the ADS600-EXP
may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but not
sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do it,
it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one i!
> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the
iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta tested
and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that old
version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that is
permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will
only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
> Tim
>
>
>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>
>>
>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>
>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>>
>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be able
to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already have
a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good. The
SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>
>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
My two cents:
WX on the iPad is okay, but you really want traffic up on the panel - e.g., on
your GRT display. You did not say what GRT you have. The older HS requires an
RS232 input, while the HX or HXr can use USB. So your GRT equipment may dictate
what ADSB-in box you can use.
For now, with no ADSB-out, your traffic in will be limited. That being the case
I'd consider only dual band receivers, so at least you maximize what you can
get.
What do you have now? I already have a Garmin 420W, and an HX. So I have determined
my best path to compliance is:
Upgrade 420W software to latest version, which offers "ADSB+" output; sell my existing
mode C transponder and replace it with a Trig TT-31 or TT-22, both of
which can read Garmin's ADSB+ format (not sure the GRT version of the -22 is up
to date but I'm sure it will be soon). I already have a Skyradar D2 installed
(antennas on the fiberglass door posts, works fine) which I purchased factory
overhauled for $500. It displays both on the Hx (USB) and on my iPad (wifi)
running WingX, although the iPad is strictly a backup.
I like and have used WingX even when I paid for it; as a CFI I currently get it
for free which is great!
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446496#446496
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
NavWorx-EXP sends data to the GRT vis RS232, so you need to have an unused serial
port on your GRT available. As a UAT it needs an external antenna.
Just be advised that Navworx is the first company that I know to tread the new
ground, saying the EXP meets the requirements but does not carry a TSO.
This is apparently okay, but it doesn't mean the FAA won't ask for some sort of
documentation in the future. And that burden might fall on the aircraft owner.
It wouldn't be the first time the FAA changed the rules.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446500#446500
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
Shielded cables to the cockpit.
Tim
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>
>
> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> 352-427-0285
> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>
>>
>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>
>> Thanks again for the info,
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>
>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I hadnt
heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>
>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure the
NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you have
the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring one!
> i!
>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on the
iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those will
only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>
>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>>>
>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>
>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is not
really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> |
The ADS-B regulatory team took a good look at the problems avionics
manufacturers have ..... certifying each box/installation on specific
airplane models ..... and wrote in blanket approval for GA aircraft.
What they didn't do is address experimentals at all ..... just plain
ignored them ..... so the FAA wrote a blanket letter that basically says
(like the EXP below) the installation and equipment must meet the
requirements of the TSO.
The FAA, in it's infinite wisdom, certified GPS boxes/installation which
left out upgrades to the GPS chipset ..... so that those original
certified GPS units are inferior to present day chip sets. The chip set
manufacturers have quit certifying the chip sets because of the
repetitive costs of certification. The rewrite of the part 23
certification (AFAIK) is supposed to broaden the scope of certification
and thereby bring the cost of certified boxes down.
Linn
On 8/28/2015 6:13 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> NavWorx-EXP sends data to the GRT vis RS232, so you need to have an unused serial
port on your GRT available. As a UAT it needs an external antenna.
> Just be advised that Navworx is the first company that I know to tread the new
ground, saying the EXP meets the requirements but does not carry a TSO.
> This is apparently okay, but it doesn't mean the FAA won't ask for some sort
of documentation in the future. And that burden might fall on the aircraft owner.
> It wouldn't be the first time the FAA changed the rules.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446500#446500
>
>
> -----
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 8/28/2015 5:51 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
> I already have a Garmin 420W, and an HX. So I have determined my best path to
compliance is:
> Upgrade 420W software to latest version, which offers "ADSB+" output; sell my
existing mode C transponder and replace it with a Trig TT-31 or TT-22, both of
which can read Garmin's ADSB+ format (not sure the GRT version of the -22 is
up to date but I'm sure it will be soon). I already have a Skyradar D2 installed
(antennas on the fiberglass door posts, works fine) which I purchased factory
overhauled for $500. It displays both on the Hx (USB) and on my iPad (wifi)
running WingX, although the iPad is strictly a backup.
> I like and have used WingX even when I paid for it; as a CFI I currently get
it for free which is great!
Bob your setup is very similar to mine:
IN:
SkyRadar with iLevil for tertiary attitude backup
WingX on an iPad for ADS-B info and attitude info via Wifi
GRT HX for ADS-B info via USB
OUT:
Trig TT22 (latest 2.7 software update that came out last month supports
Garmin ADS-B+ protocol)
Garmin GNS480 (Apollo CNX80) for GPS position source
GRT Mini-X as the control head for the TT22 and secondary attitude backup
I just finished the software upgrade to the TT22 and it seems to work well.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
deej(at)deej.net wrote:
>
>
> OUT:
> Trig TT22 (latest 2.7 software update that came out last month supports
> Garmin ADS-B+ protocol)
>
> I just finished the software upgrade to the TT22 and it seems to work well.
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
So does the GRT set up software now offer "Garmin ADSB+" as a format option? Last
time I looked it did not. Or does the TT-22 auto-detect?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446529#446529
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| Subject: | Vent Install Aerosport OH Console |
| From: | "mhealydds" <mhealydds(at)gmail.com> |
For those of you who used Aerosport overhead console and stein vents in it did
you have any problem with access to install these vents after console is installed
on cabin top through access panels or would it be better to have them in
place prior to bonding to cabin top.
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 8/29/2015 6:10 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
> So does the GRT set up software now offer "Garmin ADSB+" as a format option?
Last time I looked it did not. Or does the TT-22 auto-detect?
There is a beta version of the Mini software that allows you to select
the Garmin ADS-B+ protocol for the TT22. I don't know the release date
but I suspect it won't bee too far off.
-Dj
--
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Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: Vent Install Aerosport OH Console |
| From: | Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> |
I made my own overhead console ..... without access panels. I just
finished mounting mine with screws through the cabin top and acorn nuts
to finish off screws. I don't like to install stuff where I can't
remove it for mods or servicing.
I cannot imagine the contortions you'll have to go through to work
through those access panels once the console is installed. My
recommendations would be to install everything before you bond it in
place. It's bad enough just bolting mine in place.
Linn
On 8/29/2015 6:46 PM, mhealydds wrote:
>
> For those of you who used Aerosport overhead console and stein vents in it did
you have any problem with access to install these vents after console is installed
on cabin top through access panels or would it be better to have them in
place prior to bonding to cabin top.
>
> Matt
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| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vent Install Aerosport OH Console |
Yes, it's much easier to install them before bonding it to the cabin cover. Just
make sure you get them on tight, as well as any other switches that may be
forward of the front seat vents.
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 29, 2015, at 6:46 PM, mhealydds wrote:
>
>
> For those of you who used Aerosport overhead console and stein vents in it did
you have any problem with access to install these vents after console is installed
on cabin top through access panels or would it be better to have them in
place prior to bonding to cabin top.
>
> Matt
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| From: | "g.combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vent Install Aerosport OH Console |
Matt
You can access all vents without issues in the Aerosport overhead console. The
front vents are a little tougher to get to than the rear ones. That being said
that is why we have access panels to allow easy access to anything under the
overhead console.
Geoff
Aerosport products
Sent from my iPhone
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling & Design
> On Aug 29, 2015, at 6:46 PM, "mhealydds" wrote:
>
>
> For those of you who used Aerosport overhead console and stein vents in it did
you have any problem with access to install these vents after console is installed
on cabin top through access panels or would it be better to have them in
place prior to bonding to cabin top.
>
> Matt
>
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446533#446533
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| Subject: | Re: Vent Install Aerosport OH Console |
| From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
Geoff is right.
I put Stein's Boeing eyeballs into Geoff's console and on a long flight I noticed
that the one nearest me was a little loose so I removed the access panel and
reached in and held it fast with my fingers whilst tightening it from the outside.
IN FLIGHT. I located my GPS antennae above the panel and put my overhead
light right in the panel itself, all for easy access. Never say never, but
in my configuration, I can't conceive a reason to ever have to remove the console
which is good I bonded it in place. There, I just jinxed myself.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014
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| Subject: | Re: Vent Install Aerosport OH Console |
| From: | "bhoppe2" <bruce.hoppe(at)yahoo.com> |
I installed the SteinAir vents after the overhead console was bonded to the canopy
and clear coated. Of course, the openings were cut to size beforehand.
I made a tool to tighten the nuts inside the console. I cut a 7/8" long piece
of 2" PVC pipe, then drilled 2 small holes in the end of the PVC pipe that align
with the spanner wrench slots in the air vent nut. Insert small finish nails
in those hole in the pipe and you have a much better way to tight the nut.
I also have a series of small holes around the perimeter of the PVC pipe so that
I could insert a drift punch and use it as a lever to rotate and get the nut
even tighter. I have installed and removed the air vents a couple times without
a problem. Attached is a photo on the "tool".
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Bruce Hoppe
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| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vent Install Aerosport OH Console |
Great tool! I think I will make a copy of it. I have a loose light the is
forward of the air vent that I can't get to with the vent in the way.
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:41 PM, bhoppe2 wrote:
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> I installed the SteinAir vents after the overhead console was bonded to the canopy
and clear coated. Of course, the openings were cut to size beforehand.
>
> I made a tool to tighten the nuts inside the console. I cut a 7/8" long piece
of 2" PVC pipe, then drilled 2 small holes in the end of the PVC pipe that align
with the spanner wrench slots in the air vent nut. Insert small finish nails
in those hole in the pipe and you have a much better way to tight the nut.
I also have a series of small holes around the perimeter of the PVC pipe so
that I could insert a drift punch and use it as a lever to rotate and get the
nut even tighter. I have installed and removed the air vents a couple times
without a problem. Attached is a photo on the "tool".
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> Bruce Hoppe
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| Subject: | Re: Vent Install Aerosport OH Console |
| From: | "mhealydds" <mhealydds(at)gmail.com> |
I have cut the holes and fit vents...was just trying to decide if to install now
before I bond or not. I tried to install with OH console clecoed in placed and
seemed difficult which is why I posed question, but I think this tool is a
great way to go. Thanks
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> |
Gents,
Thanks for all of the inputs, great information! This, as usual, has opened
up a whole can of worms for me. What started as a simple, nice for now, addition
has led to possible a full upgrade. I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with
TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480. In all honest its a great system and meets my
needs, but now that its pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly
increased and improved Im thinking about upgrading. The new GRT HX looks great
and would be a relatively easy upgrade. However, Im also looking at the
Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly
priced. Im hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos,
etc as that system is working great and theres no need to create unnecessary
expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B
in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would
be necessary. The GRT HX and Trig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP.
Just wondering what other options folks are using or other considerations?
Thanks again,
Marcus
> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
> That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
> Shielded cables to the cockpit.
> Tim
>
>
>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>>
>>
>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> 352-427-0285
>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for the info,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I
hadnt heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure
the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you
have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring on!
> e!
>> i!
>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on
the iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those
will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>>
>>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>>>>
>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>>
>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is
not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
Not that this will be the way you should go if you're considering other upgrades,
but, seeing that you have a 480 in your panel, if you get the full Non-EXP
model of NavWorX, you could also interface it to that, so you'd have EFIS, GPS,
and iPad options. That said, if you do switch to the G3X that's a nice system
and if you do that, you should get all the accessories from Garmin too. Do
check on the database costs though. I am not sure what they run, and I've heard
that they can be "cheaper" in a bundle but the may not be the same as what
you're used to today. You've got a lot of variables to consider, and a lot of
good options on how to get ADS-B in your panel. Personally, for WX, I think
you can't beat satellite, but for traffic, I think everyone should be rushing
to get EFIS integrated traffic ASAP, because the more that outfit with it the
better it all works.
Tim
> On Aug 30, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
>
> Gents,
> Thanks for all of the inputs, great information! This, as usual, has opened
up a whole can of worms for me. What started as a simple, nice for now, addition
has led to possible a full upgrade. I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with
TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480. In all honest its a great system and meets
my needs, but now that its pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly
increased and improved Im thinking about upgrading. The new GRT HX looks
great and would be a relatively easy upgrade. However, Im also looking at the
Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly
priced. Im hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos,
etc as that system is working great and theres no need to create unnecessary
expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B
in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would
be necessary. The GRT HX and Tr!
> ig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP. Just wondering what other options
folks are using or other considerations?
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>
>> That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
>> Shielded cables to the cockpit.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> 352-427-0285
>>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for the info,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that
long either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I
hadnt heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do
traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure
the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you
have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring o!
> n!
>> e!
>>> i!
>>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on
the iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both
work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those
will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to
get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an
iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT
displays.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is
not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
Marcus,
Both Skyview and AFS EFIS will work with Trutrak servos and autopilot. AFS has
better integration than Skyview, but the extent on integration will depend on
which AP head you have.
I know at least one RV-10 that has Skyview and a Trutrak Vizion installed. He
also has a 480. There quite a few RV-10s with AFS with the AFS Pilot AP (including
me) which is a Trutrak head with slightly different firmware for better integration.
I'm also aware of folks that have a Sorcerer with their AFS EFIS,
but the integration is not as complete.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 30, 2015, at 9:47 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
>
> Gents,
> Thanks for all of the inputs, great information! This, as usual, has opened
up a whole can of worms for me. What started as a simple, nice for now, addition
has led to possible a full upgrade. I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with
TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480. In all honest its a great system and meets
my needs, but now that its pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly
increased and improved Im thinking about upgrading. The new GRT HX looks
great and would be a relatively easy upgrade. However, Im also looking at the
Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly
priced. Im hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos,
etc as that system is working great and theres no need to create unnecessary
expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B
in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would
be necessary. The GRT HX and Tr!
> ig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP. Just wondering what other options
folks are using or other considerations?
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>
>> That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
>> Shielded cables to the cockpit.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> 352-427-0285
>>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for the info,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that
long either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I
hadnt heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do
traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure
the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you
have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring o!
> n!
>> e!
>>> i!
>>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on
the iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both
work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those
will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to
get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an
iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT
displays.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is
not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com> |
I was in the same boat. I went the HX and Navworx route. Has worked great and
required very little work. In my case, I did it over time....unit a year for
a couple of years (3) (replaced my backup blue mountain unit). It is a plug
and play for the screens, except they are a little bigger and require the panel
to be reworked a little.
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Receivers
Gents,
Thanks for all of the inputs, great information! This, as usual, has opened
up a whole can of worms for me. What started as a simple, nice for now, addition
has led to possible a full upgrade. I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with
TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480. In all honest its a great system and meets my
needs, but now that its pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly
increased and improved Im thinking about upgrading. The new GRT HX looks great
and would be a relatively easy upgrade. However, Im also looking at the
Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly
priced. Im hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos,
etc as that system is working great and theres no need to create unnecessary
expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B
in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would
be necessary. The GRT HX and Tr!
ig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP. Just wondering what other options
folks are using or other considerations?
Thanks again,
Marcus
> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
> That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
> Shielded cables to the cockpit.
> Tim
>
>
>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>>
>> -->
>>
>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> 352-427-0285
>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for the info,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I
hadnt heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure
the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you
have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring o!
n!
> e!
>> i!
>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on
the iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those
will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>>
>>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>>>>
>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>>
>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is
not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DLM" <dlm34077(at)gmail.com> |
I am using the hybrid system at the present time; a TT31 mode S with ADS-B
out and a Skyradar dual receiver. Skyradar has changed the name (I forget
it). I still need to get the GRT position source for 2020. GRT and Dynon
have committed to produce a position source only for about $600. I currently
use both, the Garmin sensor in my Sport backup or the Crossbow sensor in the
Chelton AHRS. The reason for getting the dual band receiver is availability
of traffic directly only on the transponder frequency. In the future users
transmitting on transponder frequency only will only provide direct traffic
to your aircraft receiver if you are dual band. Otherwise the UAT
transmissions must go to an ATC facility to receive the 978Mh UAT who then
rebroadcasts. Stated differently, aircraft A (1090 equipped) does not talk
directly to your aircraft with UAT only receive capability. Your aircraft
will be tracked by ATC and your location will be rebroadcast and you can
then "see" aircraft A on your display. With my setup, any "out' equipped
aircraft is immediately "seen" by my equipment directly without waiting for
a rebroadcast from ATC radar since I "listen" continuously for both 978 and
1090. Hence an "out" equipped aircraft departing a remote airport will be
"seen" by my equipment even if it is below radar coverage.
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
Dynon announced at Osh a GPS receiver module that meets all the TSO
requirements without the actual approval. Direct plug-in for both AFS
and Dynon Skyview equipment, around $590. Eliminates need for certified
panel mount GPS if your mission doesn't include IFR GPS flights.
On 8/31/2015 6:42 AM, DLM wrote:
>
> I am using the hybrid system at the present time; a TT31 mode S with ADS-B
> out and a Skyradar dual receiver. Skyradar has changed the name (I forget
> it). I still need to get the GRT position source for 2020. GRT and Dynon
> have committed to produce a position source only for about $600. I currently
> use both, the Garmin sensor in my Sport backup or the Crossbow sensor in the
> Chelton AHRS. The reason for getting the dual band receiver is availability
> of traffic directly only on the transponder frequency. In the future users
> transmitting on transponder frequency only will only provide direct traffic
> to your aircraft receiver if you are dual band. Otherwise the UAT
> transmissions must go to an ATC facility to receive the 978Mh UAT who then
> rebroadcasts. Stated differently, aircraft A (1090 equipped) does not talk
> directly to your aircraft with UAT only receive capability. Your aircraft
> will be tracked by ATC and your location will be rebroadcast and you can
> then "see" aircraft A on your display. With my setup, any "out' equipped
> aircraft is immediately "seen" by my equipment directly without waiting for
> a rebroadcast from ATC radar since I "listen" continuously for both 978 and
> 1090. Hence an "out" equipped aircraft departing a remote airport will be
> "seen" by my equipment even if it is below radar coverage.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vent Install Aerosport OH Console |
| From: | Ed Kranz <ed.kranz(at)gmail.com> |
Looks just like the tool I made/used!
http://i.imgur.com/0jZOHvV.jpg
I also installed the vents after the cabin top was installed.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> Great tool! I think I will make a copy of it. I have a loose light
> the is forward of the air vent that I can't get to with the vent in the way.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:41 PM, bhoppe2 wrote:
> >
> >
> > I installed the SteinAir vents after the overhead console was bonded to
> the canopy and clear coated. Of course, the openings were cut to size
> beforehand.
> >
> > I made a tool to tighten the nuts inside the console. I cut a 7/8" long
> piece of 2" PVC pipe, then drilled 2 small holes in the end of the PVC pipe
> that align with the spanner wrench slots in the air vent nut. Insert small
> finish nails in those hole in the pipe and you have a much better way to
> tight the nut. I also have a series of small holes around the perimeter of
> the PVC pipe so that I could insert a drift punch and use it as a lever to
> rotate and get the nut even tighter. I have installed and removed the air
> vents a couple times without a problem. Attached is a photo on the "tool".
> >
> > --------
> > Bruce Hoppe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446544#446544
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_252.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
Marcus,
If you are like me, you want the biggest bang for the buck and you want whatever
you get to work and have superb after the sale service. I'll assume the following:
- You are not looking to upgrade the GNS-480, as such you retain the as is IFR
GPS capability but do not have an ADS-B out compliant device.
- The Grand Rapids EIS is a very nice stand alone engine monitor so it need not
be replaced.
- No matter what you need to buy a replacement XPDR.
I offer that it is not preferable to have anything other than an integrated EFIS
display that has moving map, TIS and ADS-B traffic and weather. TIS still is
a great way to fill in traffic that is not ADSB out capable.
Using these assumptions there are now several options to examine. I have been
flying with the Dynon SkyView for three years and recommend it for the following
reasons:
- Plug and play - and it all works.
- Free for life aviation data base updates.
- Behind the panel Mode S transponder that is significantly less expensive than
the other options. The transponder provides TIS information for display on the
SkyView EFIS.
- Full 2020 ADS-B in/out compliance using their new SkyView SV-GPS-2020 receiver
(thus no need to give Garmin a wheelbarrow full of money to upgrade or replace
the GNS-480) and you end up with two independent GPS receivers.
- No need to replace the TruTrack autopilot
- No need to replace the Grand Rapids EIS
- My experience with Dynon puts them at the top of the list for after the sale
service. The exact opposite is true for Garmin.
- If you take the additional step of using the Dynon heated pitot you get a very
nice AOA indicator. I find the AOA audio warning of most value.
- Add the $99/year subscription to Seattle Avionics and you get up to date geo-referenced
approach plates, airport diagrams, IFR and VFR charts.
- Add the $35 WiFi plug in and now your back seat passengers get the ADAHRS feed
to drive ForeFlight on their iPads, and you get electronic flight planning transfer
between the iPad and the SkyView.
Another option is to keep one of your existing GRT EFIS displays and only get one
Dynon SkyView display for the pilot side of the panel. Option to get a second
SkyView display can be decided down the road.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Receivers
Gents,
Thanks for all of the inputs, great information! This, as usual, has opened
up a whole can of worms for me. What started as a simple, nice for now, addition
has led to possible a full upgrade. I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with
TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480. In all honest its a great system and meets my
needs, but now that its pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly
increased and improved Im thinking about upgrading. The new GRT HX looks great
and would be a relatively easy upgrade. However, Im also looking at the
Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly
priced. Im hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos,
etc as that system is working great and theres no need to create unnecessary
expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B
in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would
be necessary. The GRT HX and Tr!
ig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP. Just wondering what other options
folks are using or other considerations?
Thanks again,
Marcus
> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
> That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
> Shielded cables to the cockpit.
> Tim
>
>
>
>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>>
>> -->
>>
>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> 352-427-0285
>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for the info,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that long
either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I
hadnt heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do traffic
on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure
the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you
have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring o!
n!
> e!
>> i!
>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on
the iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both work
with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those
will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to get
an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an iPad
for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>>
>>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT displays.
>>>>
>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>>
>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is
not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> |
Wow, more awesome write-upsthanks everyone.
Last question for now, any ideas if the GRT EIS info will display on any other
systems? I realize the EIS is standalone, but Ive become used to seeing the full
graphic display on an EFIS screen. Im toying with the idea of keeping one
of the GRT WS screens and put it on what is now a blank area on the passenger
side. Good, essentially free, backup but I dont want it running the A/P or EIS
as that would get old real quick.
Thanks again,
Marcus
> On Sep 1, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
>
> Marcus,
>
> If you are like me, you want the biggest bang for the buck and you want whatever
you get to work and have superb after the sale service. I'll assume the following:
> - You are not looking to upgrade the GNS-480, as such you retain the as is IFR
GPS capability but do not have an ADS-B out compliant device.
> - The Grand Rapids EIS is a very nice stand alone engine monitor so it need not
be replaced.
> - No matter what you need to buy a replacement XPDR.
>
> I offer that it is not preferable to have anything other than an integrated EFIS
display that has moving map, TIS and ADS-B traffic and weather. TIS still
is a great way to fill in traffic that is not ADSB out capable.
>
> Using these assumptions there are now several options to examine. I have been
flying with the Dynon SkyView for three years and recommend it for the following
reasons:
> - Plug and play - and it all works.
> - Free for life aviation data base updates.
> - Behind the panel Mode S transponder that is significantly less expensive than
the other options. The transponder provides TIS information for display on
the SkyView EFIS.
> - Full 2020 ADS-B in/out compliance using their new SkyView SV-GPS-2020 receiver
(thus no need to give Garmin a wheelbarrow full of money to upgrade or replace
the GNS-480) and you end up with two independent GPS receivers.
> - No need to replace the TruTrack autopilot
> - No need to replace the Grand Rapids EIS
> - My experience with Dynon puts them at the top of the list for after the sale
service. The exact opposite is true for Garmin.
> - If you take the additional step of using the Dynon heated pitot you get a very
nice AOA indicator. I find the AOA audio warning of most value.
> - Add the $99/year subscription to Seattle Avionics and you get up to date geo-referenced
approach plates, airport diagrams, IFR and VFR charts.
> - Add the $35 WiFi plug in and now your back seat passengers get the ADAHRS feed
to drive ForeFlight on their iPads, and you get electronic flight planning
transfer between the iPad and the SkyView.
>
> Another option is to keep one of your existing GRT EFIS displays and only get
one Dynon SkyView display for the pilot side of the panel. Option to get a second
SkyView display can be decided down the road.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:47 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Receivers
>
>
> Gents,
> Thanks for all of the inputs, great information! This, as usual, has opened
up a whole can of worms for me. What started as a simple, nice for now, addition
has led to possible a full upgrade. I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with
TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480. In all honest its a great system and meets
my needs, but now that its pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly
increased and improved Im thinking about upgrading. The new GRT HX looks
great and would be a relatively easy upgrade. However, Im also looking at the
Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly
priced. Im hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos,
etc as that system is working great and theres no need to create unnecessary
expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B
in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would
be necessary. The GRT HX and Tr!
> ig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP. Just wondering what other options
folks are using or other considerations?
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>>
>> That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
>> Shielded cables to the cockpit.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>>>
>>> -->
>>>
>>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> 352-427-0285
>>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for the info,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that
long either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I
hadnt heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do
traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure
the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you
have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring o!
> n!
>> e!
>>> i!
>>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on
the iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both
work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those
will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to
get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an
iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT
displays.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is
not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 08/31/2015 11:01 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
> - Full 2020 ADS-B in/out compliance using their new SkyView SV-GPS-2020 receiver
(thus no need to give Garmin a wheelbarrow full of money to upgrade or replace
the GNS-480) and you end up with two independent GPS receivers.
A comment, the cost of upgrading the GNS480 to the latest software which
provides the "Garmin ADS-B+" protocol and allows the 480 to be 2020
compliant is whatever your avionics shop charges for one hour of labor.
Not very expensive at all, surprisingly. :-)
I suspect most people would end up paying somewhere between $75 to $150
in total.
I just did this upgrade on the 480 last month and it was dirt simple and
easy, not even any need to take the unit out of the panel.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
Marcus,
I don't know about the other offerings but I do not believe the GR EIS will display
on the Dynon SkyView. You could get the SkyView EMS (Engine Monitoring System)
module and try to use your current probes and such, but if my decision
I'd just keep the existing GR EFIS and EIS and put the display on the co-pilot
side. As you point out, the other benefit is you would retain a full EFIS backup.
I like having the second display in the plane. My normal cruise set up is pilot
side half screen Moving Map and half screen Primary Flight Display. Co-pilot
side is half or 20% Engine Monitoring and half or 80% alternating between longer
range Map (mainly to see weather), IFR or VFR chart or approach plate.
This last week I spent 10 hours or so in the right hand seat to let my son-in-law
(Navy F-18 aviator) get some time in the RV-10. I kept the pilot/co-pilot
setup the same and found it easy to look over to the pilot screen when needed.
My experience is while possible, a single 10" display running something like 40%
moving map, 40% PFD and 20% engine monitoring is not what you want other than
a backup mode.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Receivers
Wow, more awesome write-upsthanks everyone.
Last question for now, any ideas if the GRT EIS info will display on any other
systems? I realize the EIS is standalone, but Ive become used to seeing the full
graphic display on an EFIS screen. Im toying with the idea of keeping one
of the GRT WS screens and put it on what is now a blank area on the passenger
side. Good, essentially free, backup but I dont want it running the A/P or EIS
as that would get old real quick.
Thanks again,
Marcus
> On Sep 1, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
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> -->
>
> Marcus,
>
> If you are like me, you want the biggest bang for the buck and you want whatever
you get to work and have superb after the sale service. I'll assume the following:
> - You are not looking to upgrade the GNS-480, as such you retain the as is IFR
GPS capability but do not have an ADS-B out compliant device.
> - The Grand Rapids EIS is a very nice stand alone engine monitor so it need not
be replaced.
> - No matter what you need to buy a replacement XPDR.
>
> I offer that it is not preferable to have anything other than an integrated EFIS
display that has moving map, TIS and ADS-B traffic and weather. TIS still
is a great way to fill in traffic that is not ADSB out capable.
>
> Using these assumptions there are now several options to examine. I have been
flying with the Dynon SkyView for three years and recommend it for the following
reasons:
> - Plug and play - and it all works.
> - Free for life aviation data base updates.
> - Behind the panel Mode S transponder that is significantly less expensive than
the other options. The transponder provides TIS information for display on
the SkyView EFIS.
> - Full 2020 ADS-B in/out compliance using their new SkyView SV-GPS-2020 receiver
(thus no need to give Garmin a wheelbarrow full of money to upgrade or replace
the GNS-480) and you end up with two independent GPS receivers.
> - No need to replace the TruTrack autopilot
> - No need to replace the Grand Rapids EIS
> - My experience with Dynon puts them at the top of the list for after the sale
service. The exact opposite is true for Garmin.
> - If you take the additional step of using the Dynon heated pitot you get a very
nice AOA indicator. I find the AOA audio warning of most value.
> - Add the $99/year subscription to Seattle Avionics and you get up to date geo-referenced
approach plates, airport diagrams, IFR and VFR charts.
> - Add the $35 WiFi plug in and now your back seat passengers get the ADAHRS feed
to drive ForeFlight on their iPads, and you get electronic flight planning
transfer between the iPad and the SkyView.
>
> Another option is to keep one of your existing GRT EFIS displays and only get
one Dynon SkyView display for the pilot side of the panel. Option to get a second
SkyView display can be decided down the road.
>
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus
> Cooper
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:47 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Receivers
>
>
> Gents,
> Thanks for all of the inputs, great information! This, as usual, has opened
up a whole can of worms for me. What started as a simple, nice for now, addition
has led to possible a full upgrade. I have the GRT WS EFIS and EIS with
TruTrack autopilot and GNS 480. In all honest its a great system and meets
my needs, but now that its pushing 9 years old and the options have significantly
increased and improved Im thinking about upgrading. The new GRT HX looks
great and would be a relatively easy upgrade. However, Im also looking at the
Garmin G3X, Dynon Skyview and am open to any other suggestions that are similarly
priced. Im hesitant to go down a path that would require new autopilot servos,
etc as that system is working great and theres no need to create unnecessary
expenses. The goal would be to have nicer displays and incorporate ADS-B
in/out so the new EFIS as well as an appropriate transponder and receiver would
be necessary. The GRT HX and T!
r!
> ig TT22 look good, as does the NavWorx 600EXP. Just wondering what other options
folks are using or other considerations?
>
> Thanks again,
> Marcus
>
>> On Aug 29, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
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>> That's where mine is too, next to the battery. Just had to run some
>> Shielded cables to the cockpit.
>> Tim
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>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
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>>> I usually install them in the tailcone for short antenna runs.
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> 352-427-0285
>>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com
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>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
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>>>> After doing a little more research on the NavWorx site Im thinking thats the
way to go, Ive got a request in to see if the EXP model will support both EFIS
and iPad simultaneously. Tim, where did you install your ADS600? Still sorting
out the antenna situation, but if I put the system behind the instrument
panel then a remote antenna is likely the only option.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for the info,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
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>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tim and Linn, thanks for the quick responses! To be honest my plan was to
put off the 2020 requirement a few more years in hopes that increased production
and competition would lower the prices and I may not have the RV-10 that
long either. Cant imagine giving it up, but the needs are always changing. I
hadnt heard of the Pathfinder and the NavWorx EXP model looks pretty good. NavWorx
seem to be quite proud of their antennas, but otherwise the price is pretty
impressive and appears to be fully capable.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are forgetting one thing in your equation. You're going to need something
later to be legal that transmits, not just receives, most of those portables
you listed will not transmit the "out" portion. The NavWorX btw does do
traffic on the iPad with wingX, so it isn't WX only. (Talking about the 600b or
EXP model. My advice is to first pick one that does IN + OUT that integrates
with your GRT EFIS, but then choose one that you can also interface to an iPad.
That limits you quite a bit to what you can then choose. I'm pretty sure
the NavWorX ADS600B will work for you, guessing that there's a good chance the
ADS600-EXP may work but not sure if it will do the EFIS + iPad, but then you
have the FreeFlight ADS-B unit too, which I am pretty sure can do the EFIS but
not sure on the iPad. The good news is that if the NavWorX EXP model will do
it, it should be pretty cheap to do. The ADS600B will definitely work though.
I have one in my RV10 and just completed wiring !
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>>> i!
>>>> nto my RV14 as well...both to the Cheltons plus wifi adapters to use it on
the iPad. One tip...if you go with wingX they offer a 3 year subscription that
saves some money. I have WingX, Foreflight, and FlyQ. wingX and FlyQ both
work with the NavWorX. FlyQ just turned over a 2.0 release to Apple that I beta
tested and it's way better than the original version...you wouldn't want that
old version. But now you have many options. But I would ditch the idea of ALL
of those portables and definitely buy one that will make you 2020 ready that
is permanently installed, no matter what brand you use. Plus, most of those
will only receive something if someone is transmitting in your very local area.
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I realize this has already been discussed in the past, but Im looking to
get an ADS-B receiver and want to pin down whats best for my setup. I use an
iPad for charts and have Grand Rapids Technology EFIS displays. Im not committed
to a particular APP for the iPad, although I do like Foreflight.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my research Ive found the Stratus system and Foreflight are tied together
as are the GDL-39 and Garmin Pilot, neither of these will talk to the GRT
displays.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wing-X Pro seems to talk to all the other manufacturers so if I want to be
able to display traffic and weather I should probably go that route. That leaves
the XGPS170, Clarity, iLevil and SkyRadar (NavWorx is wx only). The XGPS170
is by far the cheapest but also does not have a backup AHRS. As I already
have a backup Im not too concerned about that so saving the coin seems good.
The SkyRadar seems to be the next choice up in price.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was particularly wondering if anyone has any bad experience with the XGPS170?
It also has only one traffic receiver band but from my reading that is
not really an issue as the other band is more aimed toward much faster traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
More of my two cents, and I have my flak jacket on.
Everyone loves what they have, so you need to consider that in reading their opinions.
If I read "Well, I bought a Dynon but Now I wish I had not" that opinion
would be worth a lot - but you never see that.
Now, I own and love GRT equipment, so take my opinion as just as biased as everyone
elses!
If you are serious about an upgrade, you can:
Buy a GRT HX. Move the HS-WS to the right. The boxes can talk to each other, both
see the EIS data. Buy a new air data box for the HX so you have redundancy,
or keep and share the old one, your decision.
Buy the modified (no control head) TT-22 transponder for $2200 from GRT. Sell your
old one. This is comparable to the Dynon transponder in cost.
Pay your avionics shop $100 to install new software on your 480 so that it puts
out Garmin's ADSB+ protocol. Run a single wire from the 480 to the TT-22 with
this data. GRT HX software to run all this is available now in beta form, final
version will be out soon. Free, of course. Finally, choose from a large selection
of ADSB-in boxes, all less than one Aviation unit ($1000), to get ADSB-in
data.
If you want an EFIS upgrade, then this path gives you a lot of value for, I think,
the least cost. If you do not want an EFIS upgrade, then a stand alone Tt-22
or -31 adds about $400 to the cost for ADSB-out. You will need to compare total
in/out costs to the UAT solutions, again look for a UAT that can read Garmin
ADSB+ format; or comes with its own inexpensive gps ( don't forget to add
in antenna and control costs).
Okay, now flak jacket on. IMHO the Skyview is only marginally acceptable for actual
IMC, because its attitude solution (horizon) requires accurate airspeed data.
Dynon recognized the issue, and a software upgrade attempts to flag bad airspeed
and revert to gps data. However, there is at least one report of a partial
pitot blockage, where the blockage was bad enough to generate incorrect horizon
data, but not bad enough to trigger the switch to gps data.
I believe but am not certain that the turn coordinator bars continued to work properly,
so a really good pilot could squint and watch those bars while ignoring
the horizon. And/or, throw the switch to put the autopilot into stand alone
mode and use that. There are options, which is why I said "marginally". But you
must be aware of the possibility.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks again for the time everyone has taken to respond, all great inputs. Carl,
awesome looking panel!
Bob, I think you may have landed on the solution for me. Upgrading the 480 sounds
like a great way to go and stick with the overall platform I have now. I
forgot about the fact the WS and HX could talk to each other. I like the idea
of a big screen for me and backup off to the side. I dont have enough room to
run larger than dual 6.5 screens, but with only one the limit is reduced significantly.
Now if the money box fairy would just stop by...
Thanks again all,
Marcus
> On Sep 1, 2015, at 5:46 AM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
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> More of my two cents, and I have my flak jacket on.
>
> Everyone loves what they have, so you need to consider that in reading their
opinions. If I read "Well, I bought a Dynon but Now I wish I had not" that opinion
would be worth a lot - but you never see that.
> Now, I own and love GRT equipment, so take my opinion as just as biased as everyone
elses!
> If you are serious about an upgrade, you can:
> Buy a GRT HX. Move the HS-WS to the right. The boxes can talk to each other,
both see the EIS data. Buy a new air data box for the HX so you have redundancy,
or keep and share the old one, your decision.
> Buy the modified (no control head) TT-22 transponder for $2200 from GRT. Sell
your old one. This is comparable to the Dynon transponder in cost.
> Pay your avionics shop $100 to install new software on your 480 so that it puts
out Garmin's ADSB+ protocol. Run a single wire from the 480 to the TT-22 with
this data. GRT HX software to run all this is available now in beta form, final
version will be out soon. Free, of course. Finally, choose from a large selection
of ADSB-in boxes, all less than one Aviation unit ($1000), to get ADSB-in
data.
>
> If you want an EFIS upgrade, then this path gives you a lot of value for, I think,
the least cost. If you do not want an EFIS upgrade, then a stand alone Tt-22
or -31 adds about $400 to the cost for ADSB-out. You will need to compare
total in/out costs to the UAT solutions, again look for a UAT that can read Garmin
ADSB+ format; or comes with its own inexpensive gps ( don't forget to add
in antenna and control costs).
>
> Okay, now flak jacket on. IMHO the Skyview is only marginally acceptable for
actual IMC, because its attitude solution (horizon) requires accurate airspeed
data. Dynon recognized the issue, and a software upgrade attempts to flag bad
airspeed and revert to gps data. However, there is at least one report of a partial
pitot blockage, where the blockage was bad enough to generate incorrect
horizon data, but not bad enough to trigger the switch to gps data.
> I believe but am not certain that the turn coordinator bars continued to work
properly, so a really good pilot could squint and watch those bars while ignoring
the horizon. And/or, throw the switch to put the autopilot into stand alone
mode and use that. There are options, which is why I said "marginally". But
you must be aware of the possibility.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446630#446630
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| From: | "David" <dlm34077(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | ADS-B and mission |
I believe that if you routinely operate at airports which have poor or no
radar coverage you may need to have a dual band receiver. If an aircraft is
operating with UAT equipment and you are operating UAT equipment you will
detect each other without a rebroadcast from ATC. If, however, one aircraft
is UAT and the other is operating transponder (ES) frequency, your equipment
will not detect each other unless ATC radar "sees" the aircraft and
rebroadcasts the traffic. Of course you will still have the eyeballs. BTW
Skyradar also has wireless to the IPAD. I use the Skyradar on the back up
GRT Sport EFIS although sometimes back seat passengers like to watch the
IPAD and try to spot traffic.
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B and mission |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I agree with your post. But even with dual band ADSB-in, don't get complacent.
At most US airports aircraft will not be required to have any form of ADSB, even
after 2020. You still need to look.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | ADSB-out question |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I know that if you use a mode S-ES transponder for ADSB-out, that it is required
to automatically switch between air and ground (not standby) mode. Is there
a similar requirement for UATs?
Bob
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
Here's some more jacket for the flak...
I recently experienced a partial pitot blockage while in IMC. It was
one of those all too rare moments when I was hand flying the plane. My
GRT HX EFISs presented a perfect attitude display. So perfect that I
did not notice the airspeed decay that was quite visible on the airspeed
tape. With the engine running normally it was easy flying the attitude
indication.
However when I switched on the Trutrak AP I noticed the "AS" flag as
the AP commanded a dive to prevent a stall. I quickly switched it off,
recovered, then tried it again with the same result. I finally asked for
vectors to the nearest airport which incidentally led me to declare an
emergency. The plane was easily flown using pitch and power in IMC and
VMC conditions to an uneventful landing (with trucks rolling).
It took some effort but I finally cleared out the insect debris clogging
my Gretz pitot.
The fact that the GRT HX EFIS maintained it's attitude display
independent of airspeed made this a non-event. If my attitude
indication had caused me to gradually hand fly the plane into a dive or
other unusual attitude things would have been a bit tougher to sort out
and recover from.
This was a particularly perverse partial pitot blockage. Further
'testing' showed that In fact, the blockage occurred only when flying
in wet conditions (wet cloud, mist or rain). Apparently the insect
debris was absorbent and would swell up instantly with the slightest bit
of moisture. Then it would unblock itself after 10 or 20 minutes of dry
conditions. This means everything would be fine until wet IMC was
encountered.
In my particular setup the outcome was never in doubt and I'm glad the
NTSB didn't have to try to sort this one out.
Bill "happily flying his kitchen sink of a panel" Watson
BTW, I'm flying GRT HX, Trutrak AP and Navworx ADSB - It all works great!
On 8/31/2015 3:46 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
> Okay, now flak jacket on. IMHO the Skyview is only marginally acceptable for
actual IMC, because its attitude solution (horizon) requires accurate airspeed
data. Dynon recognized the issue, and a software upgrade attempts to flag bad
airspeed and revert to gps data. However, there is at least one report of a partial
pitot blockage, where the blockage was bad enough to generate incorrect
horizon data, but not bad enough to trigger the switch to gps data.
> I believe but am not certain that the turn coordinator bars continued to work
properly, so a really good pilot could squint and watch those bars while ignoring
the horizon. And/or, throw the switch to put the autopilot into stand alone
mode and use that. There are options, which is why I said "marginally". But
you must be aware of the possibility.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Receivers |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Thanks for reminding me that if the indicated airspeed gets too low, the autopilot
is NOT an option. I have the Trio but it has the same feature as the TT, it
will dive the airplane to prevent flight below indicated stall speed.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Cleveland static port. |
| From: | Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net> |
On 04.09.2015 00:48, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I have the rounded Cleveland ports. They are pretty accurate.
> ................. and know the OAT and everything.
>
very nice information Tim, on that item, where did you put your OAT to
get accurate readings?
Cheers Werner
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland static port. |
It's out under the wing, next to one of the inspection panels, far enough to be
out of the prop wash. In the shade too.
Tim
> On Sep 4, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
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>
>> On 04.09.2015 00:48, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> I have the rounded Cleveland ports. They are pretty accurate. .................
and know the OAT and everything.
> very nice information Tim, on that item, where did you put your OAT to get accurate
readings?
>
> Cheers Werner
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cleveland static port. |
| From: | "whodja" <whodja(at)gmail.com> |
I spoke with SteinAir this week about the new heated AOA and in discussion I learned
that when installing a static port it cannot be flush or you will get false
readings. The port must be proud even if a fraction.
Tal Holloway
RV-10 Empennage comp
QB wings and fuselage
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| From: | Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com> |
I'm in the market for a new iPad to run Foreflight. Any suggestions/opinions?
Jeff Carpenter
Building hours so I can start flying my own plane.
Westcott Press
1121 Isabel Street
Burbank, CA 91506
jeff(at)westcottpress.com
818-861-7300
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| Subject: | Re: iPad Reviews |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Since this is a RV-10 forum, I'll assume you want to use it in a -10 or at least
an airplane with a stick.
I just couldn't get comfortable with a full size iPad. I'm short, so I sit close
to the stick, and it got in the way unless I used two hands to hold the iPad
up or away. OTOH an iPad mini is just right for me. Portrait mode, on my right
thigh. Just large enough to read approach plates without zooming (I wear bifocals).
My mini has gps and wifi, the latter used to couple to a Skyradar ADSB-in
box. The gps is nice to get geo-referencing on the charts.
Foreflight vs WingX: As you probably know Foreflight will only couple to a Stratus
box, WingX works with a bunch of ADSB boxes. WingX uses more data compression,
so memory size is not important. If you run Foreflight you will need an iPad
mini with extra memory.
disclaimer: as a CFI I get WingX for free. However, even before it was free, I
paid for it.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: iPad Reviews |
| From: | "kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca> |
Jeff
This is a very personal decision in that everyone has to sort out what works for
them. A few weeks ago I canvasses for opinions and ultimately landed on an IPAD
AIR 2. For me the large size is great.
As I am in Canada, I need to get XM weather as ADSB is not available here (except
in the far north).
I use Fltplan.Com on the IPAD as it gives me all the US and CANADA maps and approach
plates for free and supports XM weather. It also supports a few ADSB receivers
so I would check this out if that is what you plan to use.
I also picked up a MYGOFLIGHT mount for the IPAD that I plan to install in a couple
of weeks. It will allow the IPAD to be secured up and to my right for easy
viewing and access.
If you can, try to borrow a large and small IPAD and see what works best for you.
I would also check out FLTPLAN.COM and its IPAD app.
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: iPad Reviews |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
I'll fill in with my 2 cents. Unlike Bob, I'm tall, but I don't
know how much that matters. I like the full size one myself.
I think the mini that my daughter has does an OK job too. It all
depends on how you use it. I hand mine off to someone or set it
on the seat next to me if I'm alone. So it doesn't get in the way
for me, and I only use it when I need it.
Regarding hardware, my advice is to buy bigger (more GB of capacity)
than you need, for future growth, because you don't want to have to
upgrade if your apps take up more space. Also, always get one
with cellular capability, just for the GPS. And, I'd say go with
one of the newer models...better performance and displays. If
you are thinking of buying soon, I'd wait a few weeks. All the
new stuff should be announced next week. So delay a purchase for
a month or so.
Bob's right that the stratus ads-b only works with foreflight.
But there is an exception. I think FlyQ hacked the interface
and now supports the stratus also. I have Foreflight, WingX,
and FlyQ. WingX is my current favorite, but the almost released
FlyQ 2.0 (maybe it's even released already) is getting it closer
to catching up. It works pretty well. I get no benefits from
any of the apps, as I'm not a CFI nor get any kickbacks. But I
buy them all. Foreflight is the nicest one that has iphone
integration if that means anything to you. WingX I find is best
for IFR flying. My hope is that with just a couple more additions
to FlyQ, that it can become the favorite, because I get the most
bang for the buck with FlyQ and have a lifetime subscription.
But for right now at this point in time, I prefer WingX.
It would be hard to give up Foreflight on the iphone though, so
I may maintain the non-pro subscription to that one too...we'll see.
Tim
On 9/4/2015 2:17 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
>
> Since this is a RV-10 forum, I'll assume you want to use it in a -10
> or at least an airplane with a stick. I just couldn't get comfortable
> with a full size iPad. I'm short, so I sit close to the stick, and it
> got in the way unless I used two hands to hold the iPad up or away.
> OTOH an iPad mini is just right for me. Portrait mode, on my right
> thigh. Just large enough to read approach plates without zooming (I
> wear bifocals). My mini has gps and wifi, the latter used to couple
> to a Skyradar ADSB-in box. The gps is nice to get geo-referencing on
> the charts. Foreflight vs WingX: As you probably know Foreflight will
> only couple to a Stratus box, WingX works with a bunch of ADSB boxes.
> WingX uses more data compression, so memory size is not important. If
> you run Foreflight you will need an iPad mini with extra memory.
> disclaimer: as a CFI I get WingX for free. However, even before it
> was free, I paid for it.
>
> -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad Reviews |
| From: | P Reid <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
1) wait until after the 9th when a (unofficial ) new iPad is being released.
That will reduce pricing on older models and give another option.
2) get a iPad Air not a mini, I found the mini easier to handle but the iPad
easier to read charts and the extra features in the foreflight.
I use FltPlan GO but think foreflight offers more hence the iPad Air . For s
ure I am happy with electric charts and features.
> On Sep 4, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Jeff Carpenter wrote
:
>
> I'm in the market for a new iPad to run Foreflight. Any suggestions/opinio
ns?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> Building hours so I can start flying my own plane.
>
>
>
> Westcott Press
> 1121 Isabel Street
> Burbank, CA 91506
> jeff(at)westcottpress.com
> 818-861-7300
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| Subject: | Re: iPad Reviews |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I should have been clearer about my preference for the mini.
I use the electronic device for approach charts, and, when doing approaches without
the autopilot (I do have one but feel I should be able to hand fly) I do
not have a free hand to hold the iPad. I want the chart on my leg or lap, and
the full size iPad doesn't fit. Otherwise, the full size would be fine and in
point of fact I do have and use an original iPad when vfr, someone else is flying,
etc.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | David King <daviid(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: iPad Reviews |
Bob
This is what I use with my full size iPad Air
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005IZ0QU6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 4, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
>
> I should have been clearer about my preference for the mini.
> I use the electronic device for approach charts, and, when doing approaches without
the autopilot (I do have one but feel I should be able to hand fly) I do
not have a free hand to hold the iPad. I want the chart on my leg or lap, and
the full size iPad doesn't fit. Otherwise, the full size would be fine and in
point of fact I do have and use an original iPad when vfr, someone else is flying,
etc.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446808#446808
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad Reviews |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I looked at this. For me, personally, I felt there was some interference with right
aileron motion.
Bob
daviid(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Bob
> This is what I use with my full size iPad Air
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005IZ0QU6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> > On Sep 4, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I should have been clearer about my preference for the mini.
> > I use the electronic device for approach charts, and, when doing approaches
without the autopilot (I do have one but feel I should be able to hand fly)
I do not have a free hand to hold the iPad. I want the chart on my leg or lap,
and the full size iPad doesn't fit. Otherwise, the full size would be fine and
in point of fact I do have and use an original iPad when vfr, someone else is
flying, etc.
> >
> > --------
> > Bob Turner
> > RV-10 QB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446808#446808
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| Subject: | Hartwell Latches |
| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
Have any of you utilized the version of Hartwell latch (for your oil cooler
door) that is available from Spruce?
It looks like they only sell one model, with one offset, and I'm curious to
know how well that offset worked for you.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/flushlatch.php
[image: Inline image 1]
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Hartwell Latches |
| From: | John Trollinger <john(at)trollingers.com> |
I have seen a much cheaper somewhere, but will have to look around to find
it.
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> Have any of you utilized the version of Hartwell latch (for your oil
> cooler door) that is available from Spruce?
>
> It looks like they only sell one model, with one offset, and I'm curious
> to know how well that offset worked for you.
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/flushlatch.php
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad Reviews |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
I elected to go with an iPad Mini. My first one was the cheapest they make - only
16 gigs. The second one was one step up - 32 gigs. You need 32 if you want
the entire US on ForeFlight. For GPS, I bought a Dual XGPS150 from Spruce for
less than a hundred dollars, it works great, and is exceptionally accurate.
The iPad Mini is primarily for my wife to use on cross countries. I did fly to
Oshkosh by myself, but mostly relied on my GRT HX and GNS 430W. It did come in
handy when looking for a fuel stop.
The big thing for me is that the electronic charts legally replace the paper ones.
John
--------
#40572 Phase One complete in 2011
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| Subject: | Re: Hartwell Latches |
| From: | "rvdave" <rv610dave(at)gmail.com> |
I used this one as a single latch for oil door, works well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARTWELL-LATCH-P-N-H620-1S080C-AVIATION-RACING-CAR-/231129724044
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 for sale
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: iPad Reviews |
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
I'd suggest that figuring out how and where you will mount it is a key
decision, particularly with respect to mini vs non-mini. Guessing as to
exactly how you will end up using it is another important factor - but
guessing is what it is.
I have a long-in-the-tooth multi-screen GRT-HX panel with a G430w for
smarts and Navworx ADSB for wx and traffic. This gives me everything I
need to fly IFR, permanently mounted and fully integrated into my HX
screens... except for approach plates. (there is a plate option
available for the HX but I chose to stay with Foreflight)
But I always fly with an iPad running Foreflight. It's used for flight
planning, briefings, map work, and procedure information. The one thing
it is missing that I wish I had is Nexrad display. I have them on the HX
but map work using Foreflight on the iPad is so much more flexible and
quicker that I'd like to have Nexrad imagery there as well. Plus I
don't have to disturb my flight displays to explore weather driven
options. Traffic on the iPad is not needed in my configuration.
I originally had the iPad 1 or 2 in the largest size. My wife later got
a mini and I determined that I still preferred a larger screen when I
replaced my first one. I now have what I guess is an iPad Air... I
little smaller than the original but still with the big screen.
I paid a lot of attention to how I would mount it. I ended up
fabricating a center console with the triple role of 1) providing an
optimal mount for a RAM mounted iPad, 2) holding an O2 tank and 3) an
elbow rest. In retrospect I'm not sure there is a perfect mounting
location but I think I have the optimal one for me. No stick
interference, no panel interference, falls easily under my right hand
for reading and writing (I've gone completely paperless by using the
less than optimal FF/iPad scratch pad for notes). However, it does
interfere with my view and access to the power quadrant. So on takeoff
and most landings I just shift it out of the way on the RAM mount. On
x-windy landings I remove the RAM mount completely. But since 95%+ of
my flying is in cruise, 100% clear and free power quadrant access is not
a concern.
I think the mounting location might drive the iPad size decision but in
any case, the mounting question deserves your attention. I added a
charging jack as well. The iPhone is an important backup for IFR work
if you manage it as such.
Here are some pics iPad RAM mount on center console
<http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=mauledriver&project=224&category=8533&log=214269&row=1>
Bill "who's learned to love closed systems while longing for open ones"
Watson
On 9/4/2015 2:38 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
> I'm in the market for a new iPad to run Foreflight. Any
> suggestions/opinions?
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> Building hours so I can start flying my own plane.
>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad Reviews |
| From: | Les Kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca> |
Hi Bill
I picked up a mygoflight.com clip mount for an iPad at KOSH. I plan to mount
it on the tunnel similar in position to yours.
It has a single point adjustment on the elbow that locks all the joints. A v
ey innovative feature. I will post pic when I have it in.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 7, 2015, at 12:19, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> I'd suggest that figuring out how and where you will mount it is a key dec
ision, particularly with respect to mini vs non-mini. Guessing as to exactl
y how you will end up using it is another important factor - but guessing is
what it is.
>
> I have a long-in-the-tooth multi-screen GRT-HX panel with a G430w for smar
ts and Navworx ADSB for wx and traffic. This gives me everything I need to f
ly IFR, permanently mounted and fully integrated into my HX screens... excep
t for approach plates. (there is a plate option available for the HX but I c
hose to stay with Foreflight)
>
> But I always fly with an iPad running Foreflight. It's used for flight pl
anning, briefings, map work, and procedure information. The one thing it is
missing that I wish I had is Nexrad display. I have them on the HX but map
work using Foreflight on the iPad is so much more flexible and quicker that
I'd like to have Nexrad imagery there as well. Plus I don't have to distur
b my flight displays to explore weather driven options. Traffic on the iPad
is not needed in my configuration.
>
> I originally had the iPad 1 or 2 in the largest size. My wife later got a
mini and I determined that I still preferred a larger screen when I replace
d my first one. I now have what I guess is an iPad Air... I little smaller t
han the original but still with the big screen.
>
> I paid a lot of attention to how I would mount it. I ended up fabricating
a center console with the triple role of 1) providing an optimal mount for a
RAM mounted iPad, 2) holding an O2 tank and 3) an elbow rest. In retrospec
t I'm not sure there is a perfect mounting location but I think I have the o
ptimal one for me. No stick interference, no panel interference, falls easi
ly under my right hand for reading and writing (I've gone completely paperle
ss by using the less than optimal FF/iPad scratch pad for notes). However, i
t does interfere with my view and access to the power quadrant. So on takeo
ff and most landings I just shift it out of the way on the RAM mount. On x-
windy landings I remove the RAM mount completely. But since 95%+ of my flyi
ng is in cruise, 100% clear and free power quadrant access is not a concern.
>
> I think the mounting location might drive the iPad size decision but in an
y case, the mounting question deserves your attention. I added a cha
rging jack as well. The iPhone is an important backup for IFR work if you m
anage it as such.
>
> Here are some pics iPad RAM mount on center console
>
> Bill "who's learned to love closed systems while longing for open ones" Wa
tson
>
>
>
>> On 9/4/2015 2:38 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>> I'm in the market for a new iPad to run Foreflight. Any suggestions/opini
ons?
>>
>> Jeff Carpenter
>> Building hours so I can start flying my own plane.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad Reviews |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Bill, I'm not sure I understand your set up. You put departure and approach procedures
on your iPad? But at the most critical times - takeoff into or approaches
in low ifr - you need to move the iPad for throttle access? Is it still easily
seen?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Rudder Pedal Extensions |
All,
My son and son-in-law are both Naval Aviators. As is easy to do, both have
a tendency to drag the brakes. A good friend of mine, Tom Doran, made these
extension on his milling machine from 1" Delron. He even made me one out of
steel for me to use as a drilling gig. I used a couple of hose clamps to
attached the gig and drill the #19 holes.
While I did this to help the son and son-in-law I confess I found them to be
much better than just the stock set up.
Carl
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| Subject: | Re: iPad Reviews |
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
I understand the confusion - didn't know how many words to wrap around
the description.
I don't actually need to move the iPad for throttle access. I can fully
access the quadrant and operate it without moving the iPad or mount from
it's normal position. It does require me to reach around the iPad just
a bit. If I want to see the entire quadrant I need to shift my head
position slightly to the right to see around the iPad. I do this for
the 'big pull' to my LOP setting for example.
I can also simply nudge the iPad to the side with my right arm as I
reach for the quadrant which gives me a fuller view of the quadrant and
eliminates any reach around. I can still see the iPad if needed but I'm
likely to set the power and nudge it back into position. The RAM mount
is easily set so that it's stiff enough to maintain position but also
easily nudged side to side as desired.
None of the above requires any thought or causes any concern in any
phase of flight. Just an observation of how I use it given its mounting
position. Put another way, the quadrant and the iPad naturally want to
occupy the same space when operated, i.e. falling naturally under the
right hand. In my installation they do occupy the same space visually -
the quadrant being a little further away than the iPad.
I do find myself sometimes removing the iPad and its mount for gusty
xwind type landings, particularly if it's the last landing of the day
(because the iPad goes in the flight bag after landing). It gives me a
completely unobstructed space to whack the stick around and fool with
the power. If it's a fuel stop, I'll tend to keep it in place for
convenience. There's no requirement to demount it for takeoffs and
landings, just something I tend to do on last landings of the day and/or
in gusty conditions. As you know, gusty conditions and low weather
rarely go together....
On the very positive side, I do a fair number of departures into low
conditions from my uncontrolled field that is right up against a busy
Class C. It sometimes gets busy launching into VFR and picking up my
clearance while staying below a low ceiling. More rarely flying a
clearance into controlled airspace against a void time is also a busy
time. The iPad and its mount shine really shine in those situations.
On 9/7/2015 5:25 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> Bill, I'm not sure I understand your set up. You put departure and approach procedures
on your iPad? But at the most critical times - takeoff into or approaches
in low ifr - you need to move the iPad for throttle access? Is it still
easily seen?
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446868#446868
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad Reviews |
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
Those look real good Les. I probably would have gone with that if they
were available 4-5 years ago. I considered trying to fabricate
something like it but ended up doing the full monty with the console.
BTW, while an elbow rest for using the iPad in that position is 'nice',
it doesn't really seem to be a need. But I find that an elbow rest for
just cruising is very nice. However, center consoles remove some of the
spacious feel of the cockpit. I tried to minimize the bulk of my
console so it didn't impinge on hip room (aka ass clearance).
If an O2 tank isn't involved, the ideal config might be a mount like the
MyGoFlight and a pull down arm connected to the seat back like mid-90s
Dodge minvans had. Keeps the spacious feel and provides a place to rest
the arm.
On 9/7/2015 2:43 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
> Hi Bill
>
> I picked up a mygoflight.com <http://mygoflight.com> clip mount for an
> iPad at KOSH. I plan to mount it on the tunnel similar in position to
> yours.
>
> It has a single point adjustment on the elbow that locks all the
> joints. A vey innovative feature. I will post pic when I have it in.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 7, 2015, at 12:19, Bill Watson > wrote:
>
>> I'd suggest that figuring out how and where you will mount it is a
>> key decision, particularly with respect to mini vs non-mini.
>> Guessing as to exactly how you will end up using it is another
>> important factor - but guessing is what it is.
>>
>> I have a long-in-the-tooth multi-screen GRT-HX panel with a G430w for
>> smarts and Navworx ADSB for wx and traffic. This gives me everything
>> I need to fly IFR, permanently mounted and fully integrated into my
>> HX screens... except for approach plates. (there is a plate option
>> available for the HX but I chose to stay with Foreflight)
>>
>> But I always fly with an iPad running Foreflight. It's used for
>> flight planning, briefings, map work, and procedure information. The
>> one thing it is missing that I wish I had is Nexrad display. I have
>> them on the HX but map work using Foreflight on the iPad is so much
>> more flexible and quicker that I'd like to have Nexrad imagery there
>> as well. Plus I don't have to disturb my flight displays to explore
>> weather driven options. Traffic on the iPad is not needed in my
>> configuration.
>>
>> I originally had the iPad 1 or 2 in the largest size. My wife later
>> got a mini and I determined that I still preferred a larger screen
>> when I replaced my first one. I now have what I guess is an iPad
>> Air... I little smaller than the original but still with the big screen.
>>
>> I paid a lot of attention to how I would mount it. I ended up
>> fabricating a center console with the triple role of 1) providing an
>> optimal mount for a RAM mounted iPad, 2) holding an O2 tank and 3) an
>> elbow rest. In retrospect I'm not sure there is a perfect mounting
>> location but I think I have the optimal one for me. No stick
>> interference, no panel interference, falls easily under my right hand
>> for reading and writing (I've gone completely paperless by using the
>> less than optimal FF/iPad scratch pad for notes). However, it does
>> interfere with my view and access to the power quadrant. So on
>> takeoff and most landings I just shift it out of the way on the RAM
>> mount. On x-windy landings I remove the RAM mount completely. But
>> since 95%+ of my flying is in cruise, 100% clear and free power
>> quadrant access is not a concern.
>>
>> I think the mounting location might drive the iPad size decision but
>> in any case, the mounting question deserves your attention. I added
>> a charging jack as well. The iPhone is an important backup for IFR
>> work if you manage it as such.
>>
>> Here are some pics iPad RAM mount on center console
>> <http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=mauledriver&project=224&category=8533&log=214269&row=1>
>>
>> Bill "who's learned to love closed systems while longing for open
>> ones" Watson
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/4/2015 2:38 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>>> I'm in the market for a new iPad to run Foreflight. Any
>>> suggestions/opinions?
>>>
>>> Jeff Carpenter
>>> Building hours so I can start flying my own plane.
>>>
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| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Intake Gaskets out of place and possibly leaking redux |
During my current Condition Inspection I noted that at least 2 of my
intake gaskets are badly smashed/torn/out of place. They may have been
this way for some time but if so, I didn't catch it. I've not detected
any impact on engine operation.
This situation is apparently old news per this: Dirty Laundry
<http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=105837710?KEYS=intake_gasket?LISTNAME=RV10?HITNUMBER=6?SERIAL=08455915713?SHOWBUTTONS=YES>
(There are good photos of gaskets and the intake tubes on that post)
I have not pulled the tubes yet or examined the gaskets. Awaiting
delivery of Superior gaskets and some Hylomar Blue.
If anyone has any advice or experience with this situation, please share.
Bill "still on the backside of the powerplant learning curve" Watson
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| From: | "schmoboy" <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
After a year+ flying "in the raw", N428RV finally got a new dress.
Paint scheme was a modified version of Van's RV-14 that I whipped up in Pixelmator.
Painter was Woodlake Aircraft Refinishers on field at IS65. Anyone in the Chicago area or anywhere in the midwest, I'd definitely recommend them. (http://www.planepainter.com/)
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| Subject: | Re: Finally Painted |
| From: | Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net> |
Very nice outcome Sean!
What was the weight difference before and after?
Cheers Werner
On 09.09.2015 23:49, schmoboy wrote:
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> After a year+ flying "in the raw", N428RV finally got a new dress.
>
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| From: | Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Finally Painted |
I just flew it back from the paint shop yesterday afternoon. Plan on
re-weighing it this week. Will report back on the difference.
-Sean #40303
> Werner Schneider
> September 9, 2015 at 11:54 PM
>
> Very nice outcome Sean!
>
> What was the weight difference before and after?
>
> Cheers Werner
>
>
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| From: | "Geoff Combs" <g.combs(at)aerosportmodeling.com> |
| Subject: | New RV-10 Symmetrical RV310 panel and Quad armrest |
Aerosport Products is now offering a new RV-10 panel named RV310 panel.
We had many request for a panel that would hold 3 10" screens and a center
armrest console that would have the option for a throttle quadrant. After
over a year of design and development they are now available and in stock.
They will be available direct or on the website. They will be on the website
within the week.
I have attached some pictures of the first two Beta installs. One is a new
RV-10 and one is an existing RV-10 retrofit. Ed Kranz is the new install and
Rob Hickman is the retrofit. I would like to thank them both for their
contributions for helping bring this new panel to life.
Give us a call for any questions you might have about these new products.
Contact us at <http://aerosportproducts.com> http://aerosportproducts.com
Or call us Direct at 614-834-8659
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal, Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227
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| Subject: | Re: Sound Proofing and Heat Shield |
| From: | Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net> |
John,
what did you use in the tunnel?
Cheers Werner
On 06.06.2013 18:21, johngoodman wrote:
>
> I'm insulated to the hilt. Both sides of the firewall, tunnel, under the floors,
etc. I have no hot floors, tunnel, etc. I'm glad I did it.
> John
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sound Proofing and Heat Shield |
| From: | John Trollinger <john(at)trollingers.com> |
I have nothing on the firewall or tunnel, and my tunnel is always cool to
the touch.
I do have some sound proofing in the floors and sides though.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:26 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
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> John,
>
> what did you use in the tunnel?
>
> Cheers Werner
>
> On 06.06.2013 18:21, johngoodman wrote:
>
>> >
>>
>> I'm insulated to the hilt. Both sides of the firewall, tunnel, under the
>> floors, etc. I have no hot floors, tunnel, etc. I'm glad I did it.
>> John
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedal Extensions |
| From: | "Plummit" <marcwhis(at)gmail.com> |
Any chance he'll make another set for me? I need something to help me stay off
the brakes when taxiing.
regards
~Marc
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedal Extensions |
I suspect he will. I'll forward your note to him.
Carl
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Plummit
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 12:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rudder Pedal Extensions
Any chance he'll make another set for me? I need something to help me stay
off the brakes when taxiing.
regards
~Marc
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| From: | David Maib <dmaib(at)me.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedal Extensions |
mlskunkworks <http://www.mlblueskunk.com/Rudder_pedal_Extensions.html>
sells these. I put them on my RV-10 and they are great. I have flown
RV=92s without them and am very glad I have them.
David Maib
40559
On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Plummit wrote:
Any chance he'll make another set for me? I need something to help me
stay off the brakes when taxiing.
regards
~Marc
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dmaib(at)me.com
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| From: | Michael Kraus <n223rv(at)wolflakeairport.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedal Extensions |
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| Subject: | RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
Date/Time: 9-16-2015 / 0715Z
Location: 4 miles East of Bacon County Airport (AMG) Alma, GA Near Highway 32
and Mesquite Rd.
Call Sign and Type Aircraft: N122WK, RV10
Type of Flight Rules: Unknown
POB/Injuries or Fatalities: 5 POB (unconfirmed)/Fatal
--------
#40572 Phase One complete in 2011
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
What, 5 POB in an RV-10?
CT
Enviado do meu iPhone
No dia 17/09/2015, s 14:12, "johngoodman" escreveu:
>
> Date/Time: 9-16-2015 / 0715Z
>
> Location: 4 miles East of Bacon County Airport (AMG) Alma, GA Near Highway
32 and Mesquite Rd.
>
> Call Sign and Type Aircraft: N122WK, RV10
>
> Type of Flight Rules: Unknown
>
> POB/Injuries or Fatalities: 5 POB (unconfirmed)/Fatal
>
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> #40572 Phase One complete in 2011
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| From: | "Ben" <n801bh(at)netzero.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
Not far from the end of the runway and into the tree tops..... At 3 AM n
o less... Geez... Godspeed to those poor passengers.. Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Crash in Georgia
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:23:27 +0100
What, 5 POB in an RV-10?
CT
Enviado do meu iPhone
No dia 17/09/2015, =C3 s 14:12, "johngoodman" escreveu:
net>
>
> Date/Time: 9-16-2015 / 0715Z
>
> Location: 4 miles East of Bacon County Airport (AMG) Alma, GA Near H
ighway 32 and Mesquite Rd.
>
> Call Sign and Type Aircraft: N122WK, RV10
>
> Type of Flight Rules: Unknown
>
> POB/Injuries or Fatalities: 5 POB (unconfirmed)/Fatal
>
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> #40572 Phase One complete in 2011
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | "tysonr" <tysonr(at)tysonr.com> |
Mine was built as a 5-seater. Upon purchase I immediately removed the center-rear
seat belts.
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Tyson
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net> |
2 small kids can count as one passenger depending on the weight..
On 17.09.2015 15:23, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>
> What, 5 POB in an RV-10?
>
> CT
>
> Enviado do meu iPhone
>
> No dia 17/09/2015, s 14:12, "johngoodman" escreveu:
>
>>
>> Date/Time: 9-16-2015 / 0715Z
>>
>> Location: 4 miles East of Bacon County Airport (AMG) Alma, GA Near Highway
32 and Mesquite Rd.
>>
>> Call Sign and Type Aircraft: N122WK, RV10
>>
>> Type of Flight Rules: Unknown
>>
>> POB/Injuries or Fatalities: 5 POB (unconfirmed)/Fatal
>>
>> --------
>> #40572 Phase One complete in 2011
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447145#447145
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
Not much for news to read yet, but interestingly, the fire
chief's last name matches the FAA registration last name
of the owner. Not sure of any relation. Sad to hear about it.
There are no facts that tell any tales yet.
Tim
http://wsav.com/2015/09/16/breaking-plane-crash-in-bacon-county-no-survivors/
http://www.wtoc.com/story/30053259/faa-ntsb-investigators-set-to-arrive-at-scene-of-bacon-county-plane-crash
On 9/17/2015 8:49 AM, Ben wrote:
> Not far from the end of the runway and into the tree tops..... At 3 AM
> no less... Geez...
> Godspeed to those poor passengers..
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Always sad to hear. Don't recall the name..
40418
Status
Valid Manufacturer Name BOATRIGHT WAYLON Certificate Issue Date 12/10/2010
Model RV10
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 6:12 AM, johngoodman
wrote:
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> Date/Time: 9-16-2015 / 0715Z
>
> Location: 4 miles East of Bacon County Airport (AMG) Alma, GA Near
> Highway 32 and Mesquite Rd.
>
> Call Sign and Type Aircraft: N122WK, RV10
>
> Type of Flight Rules: Unknown
>
> POB/Injuries or Fatalities: 5 POB (unconfirmed)/Fatal
>
> --------
> #40572 Phase One complete in 2011
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447145#447145
>
>
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| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
Quite a few photos of the victims on Facebook this morning. 5 Adults.
I noticed the fire chief too, but he's a Boatwright vs Boatright.
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
>
>
> 2 small kids can count as one passenger depending on the weight..
>
>> On 17.09.2015 15:23, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>>
>> What, 5 POB in an RV-10?
>>
>> CT
>>
>> Enviado do meu iPhone
>>
>> No dia 17/09/2015, s 14:12, "johngoodman" escreveu:
>>
>>>
>>> Date/Time: 9-16-2015 / 0715Z
>>>
>>> Location: 4 miles East of Bacon County Airport (AMG) Alma, GA Near Highway
32 and Mesquite Rd.
>>>
>>> Call Sign and Type Aircraft: N122WK, RV10
>>>
>>> Type of Flight Rules: Unknown
>>>
>>> POB/Injuries or Fatalities: 5 POB (unconfirmed)/Fatal
>>>
>>> --------
>>> #40572 Phase One complete in 2011
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447145#447145
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> |
Thinking of their family.
Metar...
SP 16/09/2015 07:40->
SPECI KAMG 160740Z AUTO 06004KT 10SM BKN021 BKN041 22/19
A3021 RMK AO2 T02220194
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Wayne G.
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedal Extensions |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Here is what I purchased
http://www.jdair.com/rudder-pedal-extensions-for-vans-rv-aircraft-rv-4-rv-6-rv-7-rv-9-rv-10/
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Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | "rvdave" <rv610dave(at)gmail.com> |
Very sad and gut wrenching. There is a video showing the airplane and airport
environment in previous flights.
http://youtu.be/n-ZiJ8Ce4aQ
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Dave Ford
RV6 for sale
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> |
Interesting the FAA airman database shows he has a repairman certificate
but no pilot certificate.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Phillip Perry wrote
:
>
> Quite a few photos of the victims on Facebook this morning. 5 Adults.
>
> I noticed the fire chief too, but he's a Boatwright vs Boatright.
>
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 17, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
> >
> >
> > 2 small kids can count as one passenger depending on the weight..
> >
> >> On 17.09.2015 15:23, Carlos Trigo wrote:
> >>
> >> What, 5 POB in an RV-10?
> >>
> >> CT
> >>
> >> Enviado do meu iPhone
> >>
> >> No dia 17/09/2015, =C3-s 14:12, "johngoodman"
> escreveu:
> >>
> johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
> >>>
> >>> Date/Time: 9-16-2015 / 0715Z
> >>>
> >>> Location: 4 miles East of Bacon County Airport (AMG) Alma, GA Near
> Highway 32 and Mesquite Rd.
> >>>
> >>> Call Sign and Type Aircraft: N122WK, RV10
> >>>
> >>> Type of Flight Rules: Unknown
> >>>
> >>> POB/Injuries or Fatalities: 5 POB (unconfirmed)/Fatal
> >>>
> >>> --------
> >>> #40572 Phase One complete in 2011
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Read this topic online here:
> >>>
> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447145#447145
> >
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Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| From: | Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
I've been running the weight and balance with some assumed
passenger/plane weights. It looks pretty easy with 5 adults to go aft cg
as the fuel is reduced.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> Interesting the FAA airman database shows he has a repairman
certificate but no pilot certificate.
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Phillip Perry
wrote:
>
> Quite a few photos of the victims on Facebook this morning. 5
Adults.
>
> I noticed the fire chief too, but he's a Boatwright vs Boatright.
>
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 17, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Werner Schneider
wrote:
> >
> >
> > 2 small kids can count as one passenger depending on the weight..
> >
> >> On 17.09.2015 15:23, Carlos Trigo wrote:
> >>
> >> What, 5 POB in an RV-10?
> >>
> >> CT
> >>
> >> Enviado do meu iPhone
> >>
> >> No dia 17/09/2015, =E0s 14:12, "johngoodman"
escreveu:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Date/Time: 9-16-2015 / 0715Z
> >>>
> >>> Location: 4 miles East of Bacon County Airport (AMG) Alma, GA
Near Highway 32 and Mesquite Rd.
> >>>
> >>> Call Sign and Type Aircraft: N122WK, RV10
> >>>
> >>> Type of Flight Rules: Unknown
> >>>
> >>> POB/Injuries or Fatalities: 5 POB (unconfirmed)/Fatal
> >>>
> >>> --------
> >>> #40572 Phase One complete in 2011
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Read this topic online here:
> >>>
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| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
What really will push it into a total aft cg is if they had anything in the
baggage area.=C2- If they had 3 160 pound passengers in the back seat ar
ea, without anything in the baggage area, they may have been within the lim
its of cg.=C2- Of course, depending on the weight of the front seat occup
ants, that could push them over the max weight (if they were big folk), or
to aft cg (if they were tiny folks).=C2- Then you throw in fuel on board.
... Gee, is that why they suggest you actually DO a weight and balance calc
ulation......
Don McDonald40636=C2-=C2- 800 hours.
Big Flyin' tomorrow at Pecan Plantation outside Granbury TX.=C2-=C2- 0T
X1
Lot's of food, Planes, Young Eagles, Kid Venture, etc.
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Crash in Georgia
I've been running the weight and balance with some assumed passenger/plane
weights. It looks pretty easy with 5 adults to go aft cg as the fuel is red
uced.
Jeff Carpenter40304
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
Interesting the FAA airman database shows he has a repairman certificate bu
t no pilot certificate.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Phillip Perry wrote
:
Quite a few photos of the victims on Facebook this morning.=C2- =C2-5 A
dults.
I noticed the fire chief too, but he's a Boatwright vs Boatright.
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
>
>
> 2 small kids can count as one passenger depending on the weight..
>
>> On 17.09.2015 15:23, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>>
>> What, 5 POB in an RV-10?
>>
>> CT
>>
>> Enviado do meu iPhone
>>
>> No dia 17/09/2015, =C3-s 14:12, "johngoodman" escreveu:
>>
et>
>>>
>>> Date/Time: 9-16-2015 / 0715Z
>>>
>>> Location:=C2- 4 miles East of Bacon County Airport=C2- (AMG) Alma,
GA Near Highway 32 and Mesquite Rd.
>>>
>>> Call Sign and Type Aircraft:=C2- N122WK, RV10
>>>
>>> Type of Flight Rules: Unknown
>>>
>>> POB/Injuries or Fatalities:=C2- 5 POB (unconfirmed)/Fatal
>>>
>>> --------
>>> #40572 Phase One complete in 2011
>>>
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| From: | "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
Assuming that the weight 170 pilot/ 150 co-pilot and average of 150Lbs
per person total of 450Lbs in the back, and 55 gallons, it also exceeds
max weight. At or above max weight and aft of limits. Not a good
situation at all
(disclaimer-. I state this as a general statement and not AT ALL
indicating that was the root of this or any accident)
From: Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Crash in Georgia
I've been running the weight and balance with some assumed
passenger/plane weights. It looks pretty easy with 5 adults to go aft cg
as the fuel is reduced.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
Interesting the FAA airman database shows he has a repairman
certificate but no pilot certificate.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Phillip Perry
wrote:
Quite a few photos of the victims on Facebook this morning. 5
Adults.
I noticed the fire chief too, but he's a Boatwright vs Boatright.
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 17, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Werner Schneider
wrote:
>
>
> 2 small kids can count as one passenger depending on the weight..
>
>> On 17.09.2015 15:23, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>>
>> What, 5 POB in an RV-10?
>>
>> CT
>>
>> Enviado do meu iPhone
>>
>> No dia 17/09/2015, =E0s 14:12, "johngoodman"
escreveu:
>>
>>>
>>> Date/Time: 9-16-2015 / 0715Z
>>>
>>> Location: 4 miles East of Bacon County Airport (AMG) Alma, GA
Near Highway 32 and Mesquite Rd.
>>>
>>> Call Sign and Type Aircraft: N122WK, RV10
>>>
>>> Type of Flight Rules: Unknown
>>>
>>> POB/Injuries or Fatalities: 5 POB (unconfirmed)/Fatal
>>>
>>> --------
>>> #40572 Phase One complete in 2011
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447145#447145
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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
818-861-7300
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
In response to a discussion on the POA board, I ran some numbers for my
plane that shows you can carry 4 standards and a 100lb with 40 gallons -
forgot to run it with some fuel run thru it. Yes it is...
No matter, it's just an unfortunate tragedy.
On 9/18/2015 5:28 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
> I've been running the weight and balance with some assumed
> passenger/plane weights. It looks pretty easy with 5 adults to go aft
> cg as the fuel is reduced.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
>
>> Interesting the FAA airman database shows he has a repairman
>> certificate but no pilot certificate.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Phillip Perry > > wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> Quite a few photos of the victims on Facebook this morning. 5
>> Adults.
>>
>> I noticed the fire chief too, but he's a Boatwright vs Boatright.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Sep 17, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Werner Schneider > > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2 small kids can count as one passenger depending on the weight..
>> >
>> >> On 17.09.2015 15:23, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> What, 5 POB in an RV-10?
>> >>
>> >> CT
>> >>
>> >> Enviado do meu iPhone
>> >>
>> >> No dia 17/09/2015, s 14:12, "johngoodman"
>> >
>> escreveu:
>> >>
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> Date/Time: 9-16-2015 / 0715Z
>> >>>
>> >>> Location: 4 miles East of Bacon County Airport (AMG) Alma,
>> GA Near Highway 32 and Mesquite Rd.
>> >>>
>> >>> Call Sign and Type Aircraft: N122WK, RV10
>> >>>
>> >>> Type of Flight Rules: Unknown
>> >>>
>> >>> POB/Injuries or Fatalities: 5 POB (unconfirmed)/Fatal
>> >>>
>> >>> --------
>> >>> #40572 Phase One complete in 2011
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Read this topic online here:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447145#447145
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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>> Woodinville, WA
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> Westcott Press
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> jeff(at)westcottpress.com
> 818-861-7300
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
Although this is in no way an endorsement of flying overweight, I would
like to say that speculation of accidents, especially in the lowlands
of Georgia, is probably not going to be related to the overweight part.
CG perhaps, but with the performance the RV-10 has, I'm sure that
even at 300 or 400lbs over gross they'd still be outperforming your
average piper/cessna off that field. And if it was just slightly out
of aft CG, it would be unlikely that it would be a major issue as well.
The airplane gets very pitch sensitive at aft CG, but it would likely
have to be more then just a tiny bit aft, if it were the sole cause of
the accident. I do admit that when I heard "5 persons on board" I was
assuming one was a baby, and when seeing photos of those involved, it's
clear they were adults, so that does raise some eyebrows. But without
actually knowing the loading pattern and all, it's not worth speculating
too much. For all we know, the passenger stick was removable, and
someone sat on the co-pilots lap, which would almost definitely have
been enough to keep it in CG...and the lack of proper restraints could
have led to the delay in recognizing that there were 5 people on board.
That too is just head scratching speculation though. Once we hear
the NTSB report, we'll know a bit more I'm sure.
If you want to take comfort in one thing, keep this in mind. To date,
I know of no fatal accident in an RV-10 that was not caused by a
mistake that someone at the controls made. And, there have been a
fairly low number of fatals compared to many models of homebuilt.
We have, however, maintained a fairly steady rate of incident happening
ever since that first tragedy, so it's best we all keep these events
in the back of our own minds, lest we allow ourselves to do something
we shouldn't. Even if we cut the rate in half, I personally feel
we can do better.
Tim
On 9/18/2015 6:38 PM, Pascal wrote:
> Assuming that the weight 170 pilot/ 150 co-pilot and average of 150Lbs
> per person total of 450Lbs in the back, and 55 gallons, it also exceeds
> max weight. At or above max weight and aft of limits. Not a good
> situation at all
> (disclaimer-. I state this as a general statement and not AT ALL
> indicating that was the root of this or any accident)
> *From:* Jeff Carpenter
> *Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2015 2:28 PM
> *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Crash in Georgia
> I've been running the weight and balance with some assumed
> passenger/plane weights. It looks pretty easy with 5 adults to go aft cg
> as the fuel is reduced.
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
>
>> Interesting the FAA airman database shows he has a repairman
>> certificate but no pilot certificate.
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Phillip Perry > > wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> Quite a few photos of the victims on Facebook this morning. 5
>> Adults.
>>
>> I noticed the fire chief too, but he's a Boatwright vs Boatright.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Sep 17, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Werner Schneider> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >2 small kids can count as one passenger depending on the weight..
>> >
>> >> On 17.09.2015 15:23, Carlos Trigowrote:
>> >>
>> >>What, 5 POB in an RV-10?
>> >>
>> >> CT
>> >>
>> >>Enviado do meu iPhone
>> >>
>> >> No dia 17/09/2015, s 14:12,"johngoodman" > > escreveu:
>> >>
>> >>> -->RV10-List message posted by: "johngoodman"
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>Date/Time: 9-16-2015 / 0715Z
>> >>>
>> >>> Location:4 miles East of Bacon County Airport (AMG) Alma, GA Near Highway
>> 32 and Mesquite Rd.
>> >>>
>> >>> Call Sign and TypeAircraft: N122WK, RV10
>> >>>
>> >>> Type of FlightRules: Unknown
>> >>>
>> >>> POB/Injuries orFatalities: 5 POB (unconfirmed)/Fatal
>> >>>
>> >>>--------
>> >>> #40572 Phase One complete in2011
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Read this topic online here:
>> >>>
>> >>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447145#447145
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
>> Woodinville, WA
>> http://kochman.net/N819K
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> 1121 Isabel Street
> Burbank, CA 91506
> jeff(at)westcottpress.com
> 818-861-7300
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> |
I too do not feel cg or weight was the issue. I depart at gross wt and near our
aft limit on landing. No problem controlling it. Sensitive yes. I would think
that a severe aft cg problem would have had consequences at rotation, not 3.5
miles East. I am betting weather and a very thin waxing crescent moon had a factor
in the loss of control. He flew towards town, the brighest area around.
Time will tell. Flying without a certificate proves poor ADM to begin with, so
it was just a matter of time. Unfortunately, we now have thousands more around
the country that hate those dangerous little airplanes.
Tim, we did have one fatal in Texas that was undetermined...Mr. Ritter. The rest
I agree on.
http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id 080317X00316&ntsbno=DFW08LA081&akey=1
--------
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
Wayne,
Sorry I'm going to write this without educating myself by reading that ntsb
report to refresh my memory, but I would even say that the Ritter one was
likely avoidable. From what I remember, he wasn't a young person, and he
was not feeling well that day and decided to fly home from a fly-in not
feeling well. We all know that you're not supposed to get in the plane when
you're not in condition to fly. There are days that just having a cold,
even
though you're not medicated, is reason to ground yourself. Heck, I even
take a leak in flight, any time I even have an inkling I may need to, before
I attempt an instrument approach in actual conditions. So to me, from
what I remember about that crash, it was likely avoidable. My guess is that
it was a medical issue, that nobody will ever know the answer to.
That is speculation, yes, but I don't think there was anything in the
crash that
pointed to the airplane, and there were things that pointed to health.
So I figure that one still at least in my mind, goes to pilot error in
some way.
It's funny, years and years ago when reading about crashes in magazines, I
noticed that they almost always started the sentence with the
official accident cause as "the pilot failed..." and at first, I was
kind of
offended by that. I mean, why always blame the pilot? But then I got
more flying experience, and I realized that it really *IS* that way.
You are
ultimately 100% responsible for the safety of your flight...not 99. You can
blame it on a gust of crosswind, or anything like that. Somewhere along the
way, the pilot failed. So now I've turned a full 180 and I basically
feel that
every accident is avoidable, if the pilot just does his job correctly.
I'll happily give a pass to the guy who has an engine out over the ocean,
or the Canadian/Alaskan wilderness, but in general, there is almost always
at least a good possibility of making a flight survivable.
All this jibber jabber reminds me of what was maybe my first IFR flight
after
getting my instrument ticket. I took a buddy for a short 15 mile IFR
flight,
and within a few seconds of getting into the clouds, a little of the
good kind
of paranoia came over me. I remember vividly thinking to myself ... "Well,
you got yourself into this...you took off, and now you're in it, and it
doesn't
matter that you're talking to ATC and it's a short flight....it's 100% up to
yourself to get this plane back on the ground with everyone alive."
It was pretty sobering, because at that point in time, I wasn't so sure
that even
though I had the ticket, I had the stuff. It was just one of those
humbling
times that I appreciated having.
Anyway, that is why I included the Ritter flight in the net that I cast
when I said
they were ALL pilot caused. I think it was just a poor choice to depart.
Tim
On 9/18/2015 9:48 PM, rv10flyer wrote:
>
> I too do not feel cg or weight was the issue. I depart at gross wt and near our
aft limit on landing. No problem controlling it. Sensitive yes. I would think
that a severe aft cg problem would have had consequences at rotation, not 3.5
miles East. I am betting weather and a very thin waxing crescent moon had a
factor in the loss of control. He flew towards town, the brighest area around.
Time will tell. Flying without a certificate proves poor ADM to begin with,
so it was just a matter of time. Unfortunately, we now have thousands more around
the country that hate those dangerous little airplanes.
>
> Tim, we did have one fatal in Texas that was undetermined...Mr. Ritter. The rest
I agree on.
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id 080317X00316&ntsbno=DFW08LA081&akey=1
>
> --------
> Wayne G.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> |
Tim, I couldn't agree more. I look at all the 'famous' pilots that have
gone west prematurely and wonder what chance do I, a relatively baby
pilot, have to survive to a ripe old age. I bristled at the amount of
'pilot error' ...... how can this be? Like you I did the 180 and read
the NTSB accident reports so I can learn and, hopefully, prevent the
early demise.
If we take care of our airplanes, do real annuals, and fix the squawks
as they come up, then the chance of equipment failure goes way down.
That leaves the PIC as the largest failure point.
As for the Ritter NTSB report, which I read again, the glaring item to
me was the vertical descent at high speed (full power?) ..... he was no
longer in control of what was probably a 'flyable' airplane. Spacial
disorientation may have played a big part, I don't know.
Over the years I've lost a fair amount of friends, mostly to old age,
but some in aviation-related accidents. The latter mostly doing stupid
pilot tricks. I mourn them all, stupid or not, and pray that I don't
join that group.
Fly safe, weigh the odds of your launch decisions, and always think
about what the headlines may say about you.
Linn
On 9/19/2015 1:31 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Wayne,
>
> Sorry I'm going to write this without educating myself by reading that
> ntsb
> report to refresh my memory, but I would even say that the Ritter one was
> likely avoidable. From what I remember, he wasn't a young person, and he
> was not feeling well that day and decided to fly home from a fly-in not
> feeling well. We all know that you're not supposed to get in the
> plane when
> you're not in condition to fly. There are days that just having a
> cold, even
> though you're not medicated, is reason to ground yourself. Heck, I even
> take a leak in flight, any time I even have an inkling I may need to,
> before
> I attempt an instrument approach in actual conditions. So to me, from
> what I remember about that crash, it was likely avoidable. My guess
> is that
> it was a medical issue, that nobody will ever know the answer to.
> That is speculation, yes, but I don't think there was anything in the
> crash that
> pointed to the airplane, and there were things that pointed to health.
> So I figure that one still at least in my mind, goes to pilot error in
> some way.
> It's funny, years and years ago when reading about crashes in
> magazines, I
> noticed that they almost always started the sentence with the
> official accident cause as "the pilot failed..." and at first, I was
> kind of
> offended by that. I mean, why always blame the pilot? But then I got
> more flying experience, and I realized that it really *IS* that way.
> You are
> ultimately 100% responsible for the safety of your flight...not 99.
> You can
> blame it on a gust of crosswind, or anything like that. Somewhere
> along the
> way, the pilot failed. So now I've turned a full 180 and I basically
> feel that
> every accident is avoidable, if the pilot just does his job correctly.
> I'll happily give a pass to the guy who has an engine out over the ocean,
> or the Canadian/Alaskan wilderness, but in general, there is almost
> always
> at least a good possibility of making a flight survivable.
>
> All this jibber jabber reminds me of what was maybe my first IFR
> flight after
> getting my instrument ticket. I took a buddy for a short 15 mile IFR
> flight,
> and within a few seconds of getting into the clouds, a little of the
> good kind
> of paranoia came over me. I remember vividly thinking to myself ...
> "Well,
> you got yourself into this...you took off, and now you're in it, and
> it doesn't
> matter that you're talking to ATC and it's a short flight....it's 100%
> up to
> yourself to get this plane back on the ground with everyone alive."
> It was pretty sobering, because at that point in time, I wasn't so
> sure that even
> though I had the ticket, I had the stuff. It was just one of those
> humbling
> times that I appreciated having.
>
> Anyway, that is why I included the Ritter flight in the net that I
> cast when I said
> they were ALL pilot caused. I think it was just a poor choice to depart.
> Tim
>
>
> On 9/18/2015 9:48 PM, rv10flyer wrote:
>>
>> I too do not feel cg or weight was the issue. I depart at gross wt
>> and near our aft limit on landing. No problem controlling it.
>> Sensitive yes. I would think that a severe aft cg problem would have
>> had consequences at rotation, not 3.5 miles East. I am betting
>> weather and a very thin waxing crescent moon had a factor in the loss
>> of control. He flew towards town, the brighest area around. Time will
>> tell. Flying without a certificate proves poor ADM to begin with, so
>> it was just a matter of time. Unfortunately, we now have thousands
>> more around the country that hate those dangerous little airplanes.
>>
>> Tim, we did have one fatal in Texas that was undetermined...Mr.
>> Ritter. The rest I agree on.
>>
>> http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id 080317X00316&ntsbno=DFW08LA081&akey=1
>>
>>
>> --------
>> Wayne G.
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> |
Most pilots think it can never happen to them. There is always the 10-20% that
are out of our control. In-flight fire in wx or at night. Bird strikes. ATC error.
Mid-air. Design flaw...yes even that RV-10 we built is not perfect. Not everyone
built their plane and not all build errors get caught during a pre-buy
or condition inspection. You can bet that we'll get blamed anyway by our own
and outsiders.
--------
Wayne G.
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| Subject: | Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
| From: | "rvdave" <rv610dave(at)gmail.com> |
Haven't paid real close attention to what others are doing regarding the joint
between aluminum and fiberglass tips. Leave a line for expansion? Fiberglass
cloth and finish as one?
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 for sale
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I did nothing, in case I want to get in there for inspection, maintenance, etc.
Not impossible to remove if you smooth/cover the joint with fiberglass, just
more work.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell |
Hi all, sorry to cross-post to 2 forums. Generally I don't do
that, but the RV-14 forum doesn't get any posts so at least
this one will go there.
As with all the other kits for the RV-14, Van's is taking
what in builders lifetimes is "forever" getting their FWF kit
out. I need to get some things fitted up, now that I have
my engine hung, such as the prop control cable.
So I want to buy my prop governor, and start working on that.
For the IO-390, it uses a .895:1 ratio governor, and on one
of the Van's planes they used the Hartzell S-1-79. The lever
comes clocked to 180 degrees. From a bit of googling, it
sounds like *perhaps* the Hartzell's are an older design, but
I hear conflicting things like the S-1 series were developed
for Van's, and have more oil flow.
Then, there is the PCU5000X P-520-029/A-947, that is the proper
gear ratio and model for the IO-390 that I've installed.
They claim to be newer designed, with high oil flows too.
Seeing as though Van's is so ultra-slow in getting the FWF kit
together, they don't have stock of the governors for the IO-390
at all. I'd like to get one ordered, and can get a PCU5000X
for about the same price as the Hartzell's that Van's sells.
I know some people love the PCU5000X. I know many who
have a Hartzell. Does anyone have any info on either that
would push me in one direction or the other?
I love pictures, if you have any, too.
Tim
RV-10 N104CD (2006 to present)
RV-14 (FWF/Finishing)
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| Subject: | Re: RV14-List: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell |
| From: | Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
Two planes (RV-8A and RV-10) with the PCU500X and they have been flawless. I got
both via a group buy on Van's Air Force so price was less than the Hartzell.
You might want to call a couple of prop/governor overhaul shops and get their opinion
as I have heard second hand they prefer the PCU5000X.
Carl
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> --> RV14-List message posted by: Tim Olson
>
> Hi all, sorry to cross-post to 2 forums. Generally I don't do
> that, but the RV-14 forum doesn't get any posts so at least
> this one will go there.
>
> As with all the other kits for the RV-14, Van's is taking
> what in builders lifetimes is "forever" getting their FWF kit
> out. I need to get some things fitted up, now that I have
> my engine hung, such as the prop control cable.
> So I want to buy my prop governor, and start working on that.
>
> For the IO-390, it uses a .895:1 ratio governor, and on one
> of the Van's planes they used the Hartzell S-1-79. The lever
> comes clocked to 180 degrees. From a bit of googling, it
> sounds like *perhaps* the Hartzell's are an older design, but
> I hear conflicting things like the S-1 series were developed
> for Van's, and have more oil flow.
>
> Then, there is the PCU5000X P-520-029/A-947, that is the proper
> gear ratio and model for the IO-390 that I've installed.
> They claim to be newer designed, with high oil flows too.
>
> Seeing as though Van's is so ultra-slow in getting the FWF kit
> together, they don't have stock of the governors for the IO-390
> at all. I'd like to get one ordered, and can get a PCU5000X
> for about the same price as the Hartzell's that Van's sells.
> I know some people love the PCU5000X. I know many who
> have a Hartzell. Does anyone have any info on either that
> would push me in one direction or the other?
>
> I love pictures, if you have any, too.
>
> Tim
> RV-10 N104CD (2006 to present)
> RV-14 (FWF/Finishing)
>
>
>
>
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| From: | David Maib <dmaib(at)me.com> |
| Subject: | Re: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell |
I got my PCU 5000X through a group buy at VAF, too. 7 years and a bit over 700
hours it has been flawless. I would not hesitate to install one.
David Maib
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>
> Hi all, sorry to cross-post to 2 forums. Generally I don't do
> that, but the RV-14 forum doesn't get any posts so at least
> this one will go there.
>
> As with all the other kits for the RV-14, Van's is taking
> what in builders lifetimes is "forever" getting their FWF kit
> out. I need to get some things fitted up, now that I have
> my engine hung, such as the prop control cable.
> So I want to buy my prop governor, and start working on that.
>
> For the IO-390, it uses a .895:1 ratio governor, and on one
> of the Van's planes they used the Hartzell S-1-79. The lever
> comes clocked to 180 degrees. From a bit of googling, it
> sounds like *perhaps* the Hartzell's are an older design, but
> I hear conflicting things like the S-1 series were developed
> for Van's, and have more oil flow.
>
> Then, there is the PCU5000X P-520-029/A-947, that is the proper
> gear ratio and model for the IO-390 that I've installed.
> They claim to be newer designed, with high oil flows too.
>
> Seeing as though Van's is so ultra-slow in getting the FWF kit
> together, they don't have stock of the governors for the IO-390
> at all. I'd like to get one ordered, and can get a PCU5000X
> for about the same price as the Hartzell's that Van's sells.
> I know some people love the PCU5000X. I know many who
> have a Hartzell. Does anyone have any info on either that
> would push me in one direction or the other?
>
> I love pictures, if you have any, too.
>
> Tim
> RV-10 N104CD (2006 to present)
> RV-14 (FWF/Finishing)
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| Subject: | Re: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I think that, generally speaking, governors are important in the sense that a failure
is bad. Consequently, they tend to be built as bullet proof as possible,
so it would be rare that one was "really better" than another, unless there
is a fit problem with baffling, etc.
I put the Hartzell governor (sorry, I don't have the model number handy) on my
IO-540/RV-10, and it has been flawless, just as I would hope. It is very easy
to move the clocking of the arm around, if that is what you were asking.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell |
I have a Hartzell S-1-32 on my RV-10. I've not had any issues with the governor.
I did have to get a slightly longer arm to work with the per the plans hole
on the baffle ramp.
bob
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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:28 PM
Subject: RV10-List: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell
Hi all, sorry to cross-post to 2 forums. Generally I don't do that, but the RV-14
forum doesn't get any posts so at least this one will go there.
As with all the other kits for the RV-14, Van's is taking what in builders lifetimes
is "forever" getting their FWF kit out. I need to get some things fitted
up, now that I have my engine hung, such as the prop control cable.
So I want to buy my prop governor, and start working on that.
For the IO-390, it uses a .895:1 ratio governor, and on one
of the Van's planes they used the Hartzell S-1-79. The lever
comes clocked to 180 degrees. From a bit of googling, it
sounds like *perhaps* the Hartzell's are an older design, but I hear conflicting
things like the S-1 series were developed for Van's, and have more oil flow.
Then, there is the PCU5000X P-520-029/A-947, that is the proper gear ratio and
model for the IO-390 that I've installed.
They claim to be newer designed, with high oil flows too.
Seeing as though Van's is so ultra-slow in getting the FWF kit together, they don't
have stock of the governors for the IO-390 at all. I'd like to get one ordered,
and can get a PCU5000X for about the same price as the Hartzell's that
Van's sells.
I know some people love the PCU5000X. I know many who have a Hartzell. Does anyone
have any info on either that would push me in one direction or the other?
I love pictures, if you have any, too.
Tim
RV-10 N104CD (2006 to present)
RV-14 (FWF/Finishing)
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| From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
Dave, I just painted my -10 even though it's not quite flying yet (soon though),
and while the tips all look very nice and blended into the HS, VS, rudder etc,
it cost me more money to have it finished off than I thought it should (and
was worth). Having said that, my body filling talents are slim to none(but
I did try). I did put 2 layers of 3 oz cloth over each seam.
In hind sight, I won't do it again.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:10 PM, rvdave wrote:
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between aluminum and fiberglass tips. Leave a line for expansion? Fiberglass
cloth and finish as one?
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> RV6 for sale
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: PCU5000X Governor vs Hartzell |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
rleffler wrote:
> I have a Hartzell S-1-32 on my RV-10. I've not had any issues with the governor.
I did have to get a slightly longer arm to work with the per the plans
hole on the baffle ramp.
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> bob
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Strangely enough I did not need to change the arm. Maybe Vans switched to a longer
arm? I don't know.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
The fairings look really nice of they are very well faired in. We have never used
cloth, just micro and sanding smooth. If they aren't going to be faired very
well, it is best to leave them alone and just paint. They don't look bad unfaired.
They do look bad if they are faired but not done very well.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:40 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
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> Dave, I just painted my -10 even though it's not quite flying yet (soon though),
and while the tips all look very nice and blended into the HS, VS, rudder
etc, it cost me more money to have it finished off than I thought it should (and
was worth). Having said that, my body filling talents are slim to none(but
I did try). I did put 2 layers of 3 oz cloth over each seam.
> In hind sight, I won't do it again.
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:10 PM, rvdave wrote:
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>> Haven't paid real close attention to what others are doing regarding the joint
between aluminum and fiberglass tips. Leave a line for expansion? Fiberglass
cloth and finish as one?
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>> Dave Ford
>> RV6 for sale
>> RV10 building
>> Cadillac, MI
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| From: | <kboatright1(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
One of two ways. Either use the method described in the plans to create a
nice even seam, or glass over 'em. Properly executed, both look nice. The
method in the manual is probably less time consuming assuming your tips fit
well in the first place.
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From: rvdave
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 3:10 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips
Haven't paid real close attention to what others are doing regarding the
joint between aluminum and fiberglass tips. Leave a line for expansion?
Fiberglass cloth and finish as one?
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Dave Ford
RV6 for sale
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
Tim is 100% correct. We are solely responsible for our flights. I scratched a Y/E
day a week ago because the atmospheric conditions were not up to my standards
(smoke). I have lost 4 friends to stupid (avoidable) accidents. I also saw
the sobering sight of four young people going up in smoke after overloading in
high/hot conditions in a 172 some years ago.
Flying is an inherently risky activity - the risk can be dramatically reduced with
common sense, serious approach to the risks, attention to the weather, and
an appreciation of your limitations and the limitations of the aircraft.
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See you OSH '15
Q/B - flying 6 yrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
| From: | "bill.peyton" <peyton.b(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I glassed mine in. I had some time to kill waiting for my fuse and wings to show
up, so I spent it glassing the tips on. They look great, I get compliments
on how smooth they look etc. I would say that I spent at least 40 hours in
all for the additional body work. I was experienced in body work, so plan accordingly
for your own time.
Having said that, I have also seen some done the way the plans call out, and they
look just fine.The downside is that replacing the tip would require repainting
the entire surface.
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Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
That is why I ignored the plans and attached all tail fairings with #4
nutplates and #4 countersunk screws. Allows removal of any of the
pieces, no muss, no fuss. To save effort, I spent a few extra bucks and
used clickbond nutplates. Over time, if you look at most planes on the
ramp, those pieces have gotten some damage, whether made of Royalite or
fiberglass. Never know if I will want to bury an antenna at the top of
the rudder, or need to rebalance the elevators, etc.
On 9/22/2015 5:52 AM, bill.peyton wrote:
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> Having said that, I have also seen some done the way the plans call out, and
they look just fine.The downside is that replacing the tip would require repainting
the entire surface.
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> Bill
> WA0SYV
> Aviation Partners, LLC
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
As with many things RV, this is squarely in the "builder's choice" column.
On my planes I first fill in the tip to skin seam with mico and then sand
flush. On top of this go a couple of bids of glass with peal ply as mico
alone between two different materials will tend to crack. On top of the
glass goes a skim layer of mico. Sand-prime-paint.
On all control surfaces, flaps, HS, VS and wing tips I took the very
unnecessary step to fill in the exposed ends. The attached photos show the
foam filler after being glued into the ends. Note the foam does not fill in
the full area. On top of this goes a few bids of glass such that the glass
edges go between the foam and the skin. The glass then supports itself -
the foam is just to form the glass. The glass is 1/32" to 1/16" below the
top of the skins to allow for micro on top to make flush. I left a 1/4"
weep hole in the trailing edge of all control surfaces to provide a path for
water to escape.
On the RV-8A and RV-10 I never had call to remove any fiberglass tip. The
wing tips of course are removable.
Carl
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Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:52 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips
I glassed mine in. I had some time to kill waiting for my fuse and wings to
show up, so I spent it glassing the tips on. They look great, I get
compliments on how smooth they look etc. I would say that I spent at
least 40 hours in all for the additional body work. I was experienced in
body work, so plan accordingly for your own time.
Having said that, I have also seen some done the way the plans call out, and
they look just fine.The downside is that replacing the tip would require
repainting the entire surface.
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Bill
WA0SYV
Aviation Partners, LLC
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| From: | Steven DeFord <riveteddragon(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Headset & oxygen mounts |
I'm working on the fuse right now, and before I start closing out panels, I'm trying
to figure out my wire/tubing runs. It looks like inside the side panels
is the best answer for the most part, but I was wondering where people were putting
their headset jacks and oxygen ports, especially for the back seat. Toward
the front of the armrest type panel on top? Recess one into the side of
that panel? Into the seat back support bar? Mounted on the tunnel somehow?
Anything that works particularly well, or that you wouldn't do if you had it to
do again?
Steven DeFord
RivetedDragon(at)gmail.com
(925) 596-0426 (cell)
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| Subject: | Re: Headset & oxygen mounts |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I do not have a good answer. My front seat jacks are on the support rail at the
bottom of the panel, low and outboard. That works okay. For the back seats they're
where you suggested, on the forward part of the arm rest. This seems okay
in flight but on exiting, passengers have no good place to park their headsets
other than on the seat. This can cause a bit of an issue when it's time to
re-board. Sometimes I just let them deal with it; other times I unplug the headsets,
park them on the center tunnel, board the passengers, then hand them the
headsets and show them where to plug them in. It works but I think there's probably
a better way.
For O2, I use a portable tank on top of the tunnel, regulator between the front
seats, tied to the seat belt anchors so it won't go anywhere in a sudden stop,
or turbulence. Permanent systems tend to move the cg aft, which for most loadings
is not what you want. And extra weight when you don't need it. Of course
they look nicer.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | Steven DeFord <riveteddragon(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Headset & oxygen mounts |
Re: headsets, thanks. Seats far enough back that the headset plugs sticking up
aren't in anyone's way?
Re: oxygen: right-- I was going to plumb in connections, but put the cylinder
somewhere (was thinking baggage bay, but I like the between seats idea) it could
be easily removed for filling and to save weight-- the tubing and connectors
seem light enough to install permanently, but being able to pull out ~20# of
cylinder (and not having to deal with having to fill from a transfill system
on the ramp) seemed like a good idea.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 11:31, Bob Turner wrote:
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> I do not have a good answer. My front seat jacks are on the support rail at the
bottom of the panel, low and outboard. That works okay. For the back seats
they're where you suggested, on the forward part of the arm rest. This seems okay
in flight but on exiting, passengers have no good place to park their headsets
other than on the seat. This can cause a bit of an issue when it's time to
re-board. Sometimes I just let them deal with it; other times I unplug the headsets,
park them on the center tunnel, board the passengers, then hand them
the headsets and show them where to plug them in. It works but I think there's
probably a better way.
> For O2, I use a portable tank on top of the tunnel, regulator between the front
seats, tied to the seat belt anchors so it won't go anywhere in a sudden stop,
or turbulence. Permanent systems tend to move the cg aft, which for most loadings
is not what you want. And extra weight when you don't need it. Of course
they look nicer.
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> RV-10 QB
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| From: | "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Headset & oxygen mounts |
I wanted headset jack locations that did not force a headset cable to go
over a lap, or get kicked.
Oxygen is a AL-415 (14 cu-ft) cylinder from Mountain High mounted on the
tunnel cover. It is held in place by the case and straps it came with, the
straps attached under the appropriate tunnel cover screws. Very easy in and
out. I did a two week trip out west with a lot time at 13K-14K, two people
and used less than half of the bottle.
Carl
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DeFord
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Headset & oxygen mounts
Re: headsets, thanks. Seats far enough back that the headset plugs sticking
up aren't in anyone's way?
Re: oxygen: right-- I was going to plumb in connections, but put the
cylinder somewhere (was thinking baggage bay, but I like the between seats
idea) it could be easily removed for filling and to save weight-- the tubing
and connectors seem light enough to install permanently, but being able to
pull out ~20# of cylinder (and not having to deal with having to fill from a
transfill system on the ramp) seemed like a good idea.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 11:31, Bob Turner wrote:
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> I do not have a good answer. My front seat jacks are on the support rail
at the bottom of the panel, low and outboard. That works okay. For the back
seats they're where you suggested, on the forward part of the arm rest. This
seems okay in flight but on exiting, passengers have no good place to park
their headsets other than on the seat. This can cause a bit of an issue when
it's time to re-board. Sometimes I just let them deal with it; other times I
unplug the headsets, park them on the center tunnel, board the passengers,
then hand them the headsets and show them where to plug them in. It works
but I think there's probably a better way.
> For O2, I use a portable tank on top of the tunnel, regulator between the
front seats, tied to the seat belt anchors so it won't go anywhere in a
sudden stop, or turbulence. Permanent systems tend to move the cg aft, which
for most loadings is not what you want. And extra weight when you don't need
it. Of course they look nicer.
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> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Headset & oxygen mounts |
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
I had fun working out solutions for both things on my project.
I decided on powered Bose jack for the front seats; no batteries,
always on. I located them on the side wall below the seat pan. Included
a regular jack for the front as well and combined them into a single
bracket that has worked very well. I decided to the double jacks in the
front early enough to have my wiring harness delivered with it all wired
up. Front Seat Jacks
<http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=5473&log'458&row=3>
For the rear seat I put the regular jacks on a small bracket on the
vertical post facing the arm rest. That seems to be a good location to
avoid passenger damage. I didn't put the powered jacks in the back
because I already had some Bose phones with regular jacks... and it's
the back seat.
I built a center console to house the O2 tank. It's configured so that
the lines can be connected by lifting a hatch. No built in fixtures.
It works great - and really provides an ideal iPad mount. A lot of
effort was spent here mainly because I wanted to learn more about
composite work. There are simpler solutions.... O2 Console with iPad
Mount
<http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=8533>
Good luck and have fun!
On 9/22/2015 1:04 PM, Steven DeFord wrote:
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> I'm working on the fuse right now, and before I start closing out panels, I'm
trying to figure out my wire/tubing runs. It looks like inside the side panels
is the best answer for the most part, but I was wondering where people were
putting their headset jacks and oxygen ports, especially for the back seat.
Toward the front of the armrest type panel on top? Recess one into the side of
that panel? Into the seat back support bar? Mounted on the tunnel somehow?
Anything that works particularly well, or that you wouldn't do if you had it
to do again?
>
>
> Steven DeFord
>
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| From: | Don McDonald <building_partner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
All you will be able to mutter is WOW.
http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id 150916X8002
8&key=1
Don McDonald
From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia
Wayne,
Sorry I'm going to write this without educating myself by reading that ntsb
report to refresh my memory, but I would even say that the Ritter one was
likely avoidable.=C2- From what I remember, he wasn't a young person, and
he
was not feeling well that day and decided to fly home from a fly-in not
feeling well.=C2- We all know that you're not supposed to get in the plan
e when
you're not in condition to fly.=C2- There are days that just having a col
d,
even
though you're not medicated, is reason to ground yourself.=C2- Heck, I ev
en
take a leak in flight, any time I even have an inkling I may need to, befor
e
I attempt an instrument approach in actual conditions.=C2- So to me, from
what I remember about that crash, it was likely avoidable.=C2- My guess i
s that
it was a medical issue, that nobody will ever know the answer to.
That is speculation, yes, but I don't think there was anything in the
crash that
pointed to the airplane, and there were things that pointed to health.
So I figure that one still at least in my mind, goes to pilot error in
some way.
It's funny, years and years ago when reading about crashes in magazines, I
noticed that they almost always started the sentence with the
official accident cause as "the pilot failed..."=C2- and at first, I was
kind of
offended by that.=C2- I mean, why always blame the pilot?=C2- But then
I got
more flying experience, and I realized that it really *IS* that way.=C2-
You are
ultimately 100% responsible for the safety of your flight...not 99.=C2- Y
ou can
blame it on a gust of crosswind, or anything like that.=C2- Somewhere alo
ng the
way, the pilot failed.=C2- So now I've turned a full 180 and I basically
feel that
every accident is avoidable, if the pilot just does his job correctly.
I'll happily give a pass to the guy who has an engine out over the ocean,
or the Canadian/Alaskan wilderness, but in general, there is almost always
at least a good possibility of making a flight survivable.
All this jibber jabber reminds me of what was maybe my first IFR flight
after
getting my instrument ticket.=C2- I took a buddy for a short 15 mile IFR
flight,
and within a few seconds of getting into the clouds, a little of the
good kind
of paranoia came over me.=C2- I remember vividly thinking to myself ... "
Well,
you got yourself into this...you took off, and now you're in it, and it
doesn't
matter that you're talking to ATC and it's a short flight....it's 100% up t
o
yourself to get this plane back on the ground with everyone alive."
It was pretty sobering, because at that point in time, I wasn't so sure
that even
though I had the ticket, I had the stuff.=C2- It was just one of those
humbling
times that I appreciated having.
Anyway, that is why I included the Ritter flight in the net that I cast
when I said
they were ALL pilot caused.=C2- I think it was just a poor choice to depa
rt.
Tim
On 9/18/2015 9:48 PM, rv10flyer wrote:
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> I too do not feel cg or weight was the issue. I depart at gross wt and ne
ar our aft limit on landing. No problem controlling it. Sensitive yes. I wo
uld think that a severe aft cg problem would have had consequences at rotat
ion, not 3.5 miles East. I am betting weather and a very thin waxing cresce
nt moon had a factor in the loss of control. He flew towards town, the brig
hest area around. Time will tell. Flying without a certificate proves poor
ADM to begin with, so it was just a matter of time. Unfortunately, we now h
ave thousands more around the country that hate those dangerous little airp
lanes.
>
> Tim, we did have one fatal in Texas that was undetermined...Mr. Ritter. T
he rest I agree on.
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id 080317X0
0316&ntsbno=DFW08LA081&akey=1
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> |
Field elevation 200'. Ceiling was 2100' near the time of the accident. That would
put him in and out of the clouds, possibly in combination with aft CG. Also
interested in toxicology report. Wonder if he flew his July 2015 KDAB IFR trips
with an IFR guy in the right seat?
Yes Don...Wow!
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Wayne G.
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| From: | "David" <dlm34077(at)cox.net> |
NTSB link.
NTSB
<http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id 150916X80028&
key=1&queryId=acdde659-d922-424b-b91c-5e1e074cea36&pgno=1&pgsize=100>
Identification: ERA15FA359
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> |
I'm sure that there were redeeming and wonderful qualities in each of those who
perished. I grieve with their families. Such a sad and tragic shame.
However,
If the reports are true, then this was criminal negligence if not outright M****r/S*****e,
and unfortunately we all pay in the end.
If we don't want the Feds to police us, then we must police ourselves and we can't
do that by sugarcoating idiotic behavior.
God bless the grieving. God bless us all.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Crash in Georgia |
| From: | "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com> |
Unfortunately, guys like that stay under the radar, don't hang out on Matronics/Pilots
of America/VAF like we do. They don't fly or associate with us that play
by the rules. That makes it difficult to police them. Maybe someone could match
the aircraft registration/medical/ppc database up and check into those that
don't match. I know all three of mine are in order.
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Wayne G.
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| From: | "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | GRT HX and GNS430W |
I was wondering if anyone out there with the subject panel combo see the
result of the self check at start up of the 430 on the Hx screen. The 430
checks lists:
LCDI=Half Left
LFLG=Out of View
VCDI=-Half Up
VFLG=Out of View
To/From=135
I seem to have all the parameters as indicated but I do not see the VCDI
half up. When I have gone out and loaded in a GPS approach on the 430 I do
get both needles and it seems to be tracking ok. (I do not fly IFR...yet.
Still working toward that)
Why wouldn't I see the VCDI half up??
Thanks
Chris Lucas
N919AR
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| Subject: | Re: GRT HX and GNS430W |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
I have the GRT HX with a GNS 430W. You don't get the message, but I assume that
they wouldn't work together if it didn't check.
I have shot ILS and LPV approaches using them both together, and it works fine.
Lots of button pushing, however.
John
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#40572 Phase One complete in 2011
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| From: | "Chris" <toaster73(at)embarqmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GRT HX and GNS430W |
Thanks John, I have practiced ILS and GPS approach and get needles. I can
fly the needles right down to the runway, so assume it's working ok. Just
wondering if it's ok to assume with that type of real world test without
having seen the needles at the startup of the system. Plan to call GRT and
see what they say about the self test.
Thanks
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
| From: | Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> |
I'm filling the crack with micro and sanding flush. Basically the same
treatment as the seam on the wheel pants. I'm also installing hinge on
the wingtips.
Linn
On 9/21/2015 3:10 PM, rvdave wrote:
>
> Haven't paid real close attention to what others are doing regarding the joint
between aluminum and fiberglass tips. Leave a line for expansion? Fiberglass
cloth and finish as one?
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> RV6 for sale
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Oxygen bottle/armrest |
| From: | n326jl <n326jl(at)gmail.com> |
I'm looking for the back seat armrest/oxygen bottle for the RV-10. Can anyone
point me to who makes this accessory?
Lee Otto
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| From: | Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oxygen bottle/armrest |
I have a Mountain High. They sell a bag that hangs on the back of the front seat
and clamps if you want to mount to the tunnel. Although getting pipe clamps
from Home Depot is significantly less expensive.
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On Sep 29, 2015, at 8:53 AM, n326jl wrote:
I'm looking for the back seat armrest/oxygen bottle for the RV-10. Can anyone
point me to who makes this accessory?
Lee Otto
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: GRT HX and GNS430W |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
I have the HX and a Garmin 420W (no ILS/Localizer) as well as an SL-30 for VOR/ILS.
On boot up my HX passes the 420's test (half left, half up) as long as the
HX is set to gps for its nav source. If it's set to nav then it shows whatever
the SL-30 is sending out. I think it boots up with whatever its last setting
was.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | "David" <dlm34077(at)cox.net> |
A lot depends whether you want to spend $1000 for a "certified" system or
$400 for an experimental system. I went experimental but my trips to the
altitude teens are usually by myself or with one other person. The E bottle
and mounting clamps are available ($70 from McMaster or Grainger or medical
supply houses for the E bottle and clamps from SkyOx for about $20. A
medical regulator is available in pulse mode or free flow mode from medical
supply house for about $180-200. A box of 100 throwaway cannulas is $35. The
E bottle fits nicely anywhere on the tunnel; mine is located about midway;
just aft of the fuel selector and fire handle. I use medical O2 since there
is now little difference between the medical O2 and aviator O2 except the
fact that aviation O2 is filled by an FBO which charges a half hour of
maintenance to fill the bottle. My doctor writes an unlimited prescription
to refill my O2 bottles at medical supply for $15 each.
If regular use for more than two people is required you may want some
"certified" system but for my infrequent use I chose to go experimental.
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| Subject: | Re: oxygen bottle |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
One suggestion: I highly recommend the "conserving" cannulas, because they make
the bottle last much longer. Unless you never make long, high trips where running
out of O2 before you get home to your inexpensive refill source might be
an issue.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | "David" <dlm34077(at)cox.net> |
One other thing; a sensor can be purchased to check blood O2 saturation
levels for about $30. This clamps to a finger and a button is pushed; a few
seconds later your O2 level is displayed along your heart rate. Anything
less than 90% implies you need supplemental oxygen. Normal readings are
between 95-98% for me. I generally use O2 on long flights above 10K.
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| Subject: | Re: oxygen bottle |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
While not as cheap as a medical E bottle, a size M is around 12" shorter,
1" bigger diameter and holds exactly the same 22 cu. ft. It will need less
of the tunnel space and should be about right height for an armrest.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> One suggestion: I highly recommend the "conserving" cannulas, because they
> make the bottle last much longer. Unless you never make long, high trips
> where running out of O2 before you get home to your inexpensive refill
> source might be an issue.
>
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> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while the Airport Courtesy
Car app was down. The app is back up for all users and the layout and look
of the app has been upgraded also. The listings continue to grow, currently
at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches. Please continue to send in listings
I have missed or corrections that need to be made and I will get right on
them. And if you use and like the app, please consider a small donation to help
with expenses, even the tip that you leave on the lunch counter is appreciated.
There are PayPal links on the app, and my mailing address is also listed
within the app. Glenn
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App.
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| From: | "Albert" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> |
I overnighted in Cedar City, Utah, in July and found 2 other RV-10s on the
ramp also: N10KQ and N921AC. Very nice looking aircraft.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| From: | Paul Bowmar <paul(at)bwbco.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
Glenn,
If you list the Escalante courtesy car on the app, I will donate $50.00.
Thanks.
Linda E. Mansell,
Plane Innovations, LLC
On Oct 4, 2015, at 12:01 PM, gbrasch wrote:
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> Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while the
Airport Courtesy Car app was down. The app is back up for all users and
the layout and look of the app has been upgraded also. The listings
continue to grow, currently at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000
launches. Please continue to send in listings I have missed or
corrections that need to be made and I will get right on them. And if
you use and like the app, please consider a small donation to help with
expenses, even the tip that you leave on the lunch counter is
appreciated. There are PayPal links on the app, and my mailing address
is also listed within the app. Glenn
>
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> Glenn Brasch
> RV-9A Flying
> 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
> Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
> Tucson, Arizona
> Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App.
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Paul Bowmar
B. W. Bowmar Co.
195 N 700 W
Escalante, Utah 84726
(435) 826-4601
paul(at)bwbco.com
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
Linda, it is already listed. Glenn
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App.
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| From: | David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flying In Style |
My partner saw your plane there in July. My family and I were there a year
ago to see the parks. It's a nice place to overnight.
921AC has a partnership share for sale. I'm afraid it may turn into a
total sale, depending on circumstances. So if anyone knows a buyer, please
pass on my email. We'll start posting ads soon.
--Dave
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Albert wrote:
> I overnighted in Cedar City, Utah, in July and found 2 other RV-10s on the
> ramp also: N10KQ and N921AC. Very nice looking aircraft.
> Albert Gardner
> N991RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying In Style |
| From: | "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> |
Dave Saylor wrote:
> My partner saw your plane there in July. My family and I were there a year ago
to see the parks. It's a nice place to overnight.
>
> [b]
We were there 14 months ago. Every hotel room was booked by forest fire fighters.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| From: | Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel Sender - Installation/Sealing |
(I think) I'm getting ready to start the engine and one of my last remaining tasks
is to flush the tanks and install the fuel senders.
What have most of you used to seal the senders when you installed them, and how
well has it worked? I'd prefer not to pro-deal them in and I'm wondering is
something like Permatex #2 form-a-gasket might be a good choice.
Just wondering how well it has performed and especially how well it has performed
in cold weather when sealants like that tend to shrink a bit allowing the opportunity
for leaks to occur in cold weather and disappear in warmer weather.
Thanks,
Phil
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender - Installation/Sealing |
Fuel-Lube in my 6A.
Sealed great and wasn't a mess when the sender failed.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com>
>Sent: Oct 8, 2015 2:14 PM
>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Sender - Installation/Sealing
>
>
>(I think) I'm getting ready to start the engine and one of my last remaining tasks
is to flush the tanks and install the fuel senders.
>
>What have most of you used to seal the senders when you installed them, and how
well has it worked? I'd prefer not to pro-deal them in and I'm wondering is
something like Permatex #2 form-a-gasket might be a good choice.
>
>Just wondering how well it has performed and especially how well it has performed
in cold weather when sealants like that tend to shrink a bit allowing the
opportunity for leaks to occur in cold weather and disappear in warmer weather.
>
>Thanks,
>Phil
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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| From: | "Rene" <rene(at)felker.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel Sender - Installation/Sealing |
Sorry.....pro-seal. No problems, but I know that is not what you want to
hear.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 12:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Sender - Installation/Sealing
(I think) I'm getting ready to start the engine and one of my last remaining
tasks is to flush the tanks and install the fuel senders.
What have most of you used to seal the senders when you installed them, and
how well has it worked? I'd prefer not to pro-deal them in and I'm
wondering is something like Permatex #2 form-a-gasket might be a good
choice.
Just wondering how well it has performed and especially how well it has
performed in cold weather when sealants like that tend to shrink a bit
allowing the opportunity for leaks to occur in cold weather and disappear in
warmer weather.
Thanks,
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender - Installation/Sealing |
We usually just use the rubber gasket that comes with the sender.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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> On Oct 8, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>
>
> (I think) I'm getting ready to start the engine and one of my last remaining
tasks is to flush the tanks and install the fuel senders.
>
> What have most of you used to seal the senders when you installed them, and how
well has it worked? I'd prefer not to pro-deal them in and I'm wondering is
something like Permatex #2 form-a-gasket might be a good choice.
>
> Just wondering how well it has performed and especially how well it has performed
in cold weather when sealants like that tend to shrink a bit allowing the
opportunity for leaks to occur in cold weather and disappear in warmer weather.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender - Installation/Sealing |
| From: | Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com> |
Gross over kill I don't know if they are readily available, but rubber
gaskets work well. That is what the senders in my Mooney tanks use.
Everything else is pro-sealed but not the sending unit.
On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Rene wrote:
>
> Sorry.....pro-seal. No problems, but I know that is not what you want to
> hear.
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
>
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 12:14 PM
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Sender - Installation/Sealing
>
>
> (I think) I'm getting ready to start the engine and one of my last
> remaining
> tasks is to flush the tanks and install the fuel senders.
>
> What have most of you used to seal the senders when you installed them, and
> how well has it worked? I'd prefer not to pro-deal them in and I'm
> wondering is something like Permatex #2 form-a-gasket might be a good
> choice.
>
> Just wondering how well it has performed and especially how well it has
> performed in cold weather when sealants like that tend to shrink a bit
> allowing the opportunity for leaks to occur in cold weather and disappear
> in
> warmer weather.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender - Installation/Sealing |
| From: | "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com> |
I installed mine with the rubber gasket that comes with the sender. Put a little
fuel lube on the gasket and the screws, but am not sure that is even necessary.
7 years and 800 hours with no leaks. During this time, I have removed each
side once to replace the sender and the right side another time chasing a grounding
problem. Very easy job.
I believe the secret is to go easy when tightening the screws. Don't over tighten
them, and tighten them evenly. The senders are made to be installed with the
rubber gasket.
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Sender - Installation/Sealing |
| From: | "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net> |
I used the rubber seal with some fuel lube - no problems after four years.
John
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#40572 Phase One complete in 2011
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| Subject: | where is static port located? |
| From: | "amekler" <amekler(at)metrocast.net> |
my pitot static transponder check is due and my avionics guy wants to know where
my static port is located. i 've looked but can't seem to find it
Alan
N668G
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| Subject: | Re: where is static port located? |
| From: | John Trollinger <john(at)trollingers.com> |
you should have one on the left and right side of the plane in the tail
cone.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 11:28 AM, amekler wrote:
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> my pitot static transponder check is due and my avionics guy wants to know
> where my static port is located. i 've looked but can't seem to find it
> Alan
> N668G
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| From: | bdgillespie215(at)gmail.com |
| Subject: | Re: where is static port located? |
There should be two. Both on the tail cone just forward of the horizontal stabilizer.
Ref section 10-25 in plans.
Byron
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> On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:28 AM, amekler wrote:
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> my pitot static transponder check is due and my avionics guy wants to know where
my static port is located. i 've looked but can't seem to find it
> Alan
> N668G
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| From: | Tcwtech <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: where is static port located? |
Empennage, about 1 ft in front of horizontal stabilizer.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies, LLC
610-928-3420
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:28 AM, amekler wrote:
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>
> my pitot static transponder check is due and my avionics guy wants to know where
my static port is located. i 've looked but can't seem to find it
> Alan
> N668G
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| From: | "fdombroski" <f.dombroski(at)yahoo.com> |
Prefer QB, but open to top quality standard build. Prefer close to North East,
but will travel west for the right project/deal. Looking for a winter project.
Please let me know what you have. email frankdombroski at gmail.com
Best,
Frank
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Frank Dombroski
RV-10 2.0 N46VT soon to be flying
KSMQ Somerset Airport NJ
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| From: | "Albert" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | where is static port located? |
I take it that you are not the builder. Most static ports are on each side
of the tail cone near the longeron. They are ofter the round head of a pull
rivet but some have installed commerical static ports that might be larger.
If they are completely flush they don't seem to work as will and have
errors. If you have angle-of-attack the AOA port is on the bottom of the
pitot tube.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of amekler
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 8:28 AM
Subject: RV10-List: where is static port located?
my pitot static transponder check is due and my avionics guy wants to know
where my static port is located. i 've looked but can't seem to find it Alan
N668G
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| Subject: | Re: where is static port located? |
| From: | Marcus Cooper <cooprv7(at)yahoo.com> |
Alan,
Typically it is on both sides of the fuselage aft of the luggage door by a couple
of feet about midway up the side. Should be a small silver disk or large
pop rivet.
Marcus
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> On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:28 AM, amekler wrote:
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>
> my pitot static transponder check is due and my avionics guy wants to know where
my static port is located. i 've looked but can't seem to find it
> Alan
> N668G
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| From: | Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net> |
Very hard to see the small static hole
Looked like a rivet
Alan
Ps leaving a paper clip in it so the avionics guy can find it
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