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June 23, 2005 - March 25, 2006
fly it without some training. I am based on Long Island New York.
Jim Bean
N99JA - signed off.
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| From: | Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch> |
| Subject: | Rear stick cover |
Hi,
I've noticed that many RV8s have covers over the rear stick
area so that the wing removal lever is not available to the
rear seater. Also, keeping odds and ends out of the
center section seems like a good idea. I'm planning on
a cover, plus some kind of boot that makes it possible
to use the stick in the rare case that I to allow the
"passenger" to fly.
Does anyone have any hints, tips, or photos they would
like to share?
Thanks,
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 Canopy
Also cross posted to RV-8(at)yahoogroups.com
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| From: | DONKEYVET(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rear stick cover |
Mickey,
I just drilled a hole in the stick with it installed and insert a spring
loaded quick release pin to secure it. (page 103 0f the old yellow Aircraft
Spruce catalog). It fits under the boot ok if it's low enough.
Dennis Flosi
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| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Bent stick for rv8 |
Listers:
Where can one purchase a front control stick for the RV8, with the bend in
it so the stick can be closer to the seat? I have seen these on some 8s but
cant find where to get one.
Thanks
Al Grajek
RV8A
120 hrs
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| From: | Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Bent stick for rv8 |
Hi,
This guy did it for me:
http://www.rvwoody.com/Stick.html
Do you feel that your straight stick is too far
forward? I'm not flying yet, so I can't say if
I will use the straight stick, or the bent one.
Mickey
Al Grajek wrote:
>
> Listers:
> Where can one purchase a front control stick for the RV8, with the bend in
> it so the stick can be closer to the seat? I have seen these on some 8s but
> cant find where to get one.
> Thanks
> Al Grajek
> RV8A
> 120 hrs
>
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 Canopy
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| From: | DONKEYVET(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bent stick for rv8 |
Al,
The guy at rvwoody.com only bends sticks when he feels there is a big enough
batch. You have to then send him your stick to be bent. He doesn't sell them
already bent so if you are already flying it would put you out of comission for
a while.
Dennis Flosi
RV-8 finishing kit
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| From: | "William Slaughter" <willslau(at)alumni.rice.edu> |
| Subject: | Bent stick for rv8 |
Todd (the guy at rvwoody.com) has gotten out of the the business. Your
best bet would probably be to try and locate a race car fabrication shop
near you that can do the job with their mandrel tubing bender.
William Slaughter
RV-8 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DONKEYVET(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Bent stick for rv8
Al,
The guy at rvwoody.com only bends sticks when he feels there is a big
enough
batch. You have to then send him your stick to be bent. He doesn't sell
them
already bent so if you are already flying it would put you out of
comission for
a while.
Dennis Flosi
RV-8 finishing kit
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| From: | "Bruce Niles" <bniles(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Bent stick for RV-8 |
I'm going to check with a local electrical contractor or plumber. They bend tubing
all the time.
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| From: | owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Bent stick for RV-8 |
Bending should not be a problem except that you might have to heat the tube.
Heating the tube and bending it will do all sorts of bad things to the
powder coating. My guess is that you should remove the current powder
coating, heat and bend the tube, surface treat the tube and re powder coat.
This is just an educated guess. Any one who's been there car to comment?
Michele Delsol
RV8 Fuselage
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Niles
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 5:21 PM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Bent stick for RV-8
>
>
> I'm going to check with a local electrical contractor or plumber. They
> bend tubing all the time.
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Don McNamara" <N8RV(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Oshkosh Meetings |
"RV-8 List \(Matronics\)"
Well, it's nearly that time of year again. Oshkosh is right around the corner,
and I'm trolling to see if there's any interest among RV-8/-8a builders to gather
to pay homage to our projects and swap lies ...
Traditionally, we've planned two meetings and the second one is either poorly attended
or canceled. Personally, I'm all for just one meeting. Since AirVulture
starts earlier each year, we should probably plan accordingly. Since it starts
on Monday this year, I'd recommend having a meeting on either Tuesday or
Wednesday morning, 9:00, Theater in the Woods. I'll probably be leaving by the
weekend, so if there's a groundswell of support for a second meeting, someone
else will have to take charge.
So, what say all of you? Anyone interested in a meeting this year? Anyone want
to organize it and run it? Anyone volunteer to bring doughnuts and coffee?
-- Don McNamara
N8RV
"90% done, 90% to go..."
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| From: | "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bent stick for RV-8 |
Michele,
The stick is made from chrome-moly tubing. It doesn't bend with out a lot of
effort. My suggestion (if you plan on trying to bend it yourself ) is to
get a 6' piece and bend it and cut off what you don't need. The 6' piece
will give you enough leverage. Maybe you can find someone with a hydraulic
bender-much easier!
Jim Crunkleton
N802JD
PS-I'm going to fly my bird to PHX after the 4th for some sight-seeing. I
added a nifty Mountain High oxygen system to the plane so the higher
elevations aren't so hard on an old guy. :-)
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| From: | "Clark, Thomas M UTPWR" <Tom.Clark(at)utcfuelcells.com> |
| Subject: | Oshkosh Meetings |
I would recommend Wed for the day to meet. I plan to fly out on Monday with
Tues as the rain date.
Tom Clark
RV8 Fastback
-----Original Message-----
From: Don McNamara [mailto:N8RV(at)gte.net]
Subject: RV8-List: Oshkosh Meetings
Well, it's nearly that time of year again. Oshkosh is right around the
corner, and I'm trolling to see if there's any interest among RV-8/-8a
builders to gather to pay homage to our projects and swap lies ...
Traditionally, we've planned two meetings and the second one is either
poorly attended or canceled. Personally, I'm all for just one meeting.
Since AirVulture starts earlier each year, we should probably plan
accordingly. Since it starts on Monday this year, I'd recommend having a
meeting on either Tuesday or Wednesday morning, 9:00, Theater in the Woods.
I'll probably be leaving by the weekend, so if there's a groundswell of
support for a second meeting, someone else will have to take charge.
So, what say all of you? Anyone interested in a meeting this year? Anyone
want to organize it and run it? Anyone volunteer to bring doughnuts and
coffee?
-- Don McNamara
N8RV
"90% done, 90% to go..."
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| From: | "JOHN COLLIER" <johncollier5110(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel tank questions |
Fellas, looking for some advice on my fuel tanks.
Planning on a flop tube (left tank only) and float senders. Two areas I
need advice/help: 1) The plans call for moving the float sender for the
flop tube. Will I have "easy"access to the float? Would I be better off
with the capacitance system since the float is well inside the tank? What
is the advantage/disadvantages of each system.
2) What are some good websites to reference for the installation of the flop
tube system?
thanks
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| From: | "Don McNamara" <N8RV(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Oshkosh Builders' Meeting |
"RV-8 List \(Matronics\)"
OK, gang, since Brian Huffaker announced that he won't be at Oshkosh this year
(and has NEVER been -- we need to work on that boy), guess I'm stuck organizing
the meeting. And you all know what THAT means -- Bob Dimeo is in charge of
the doughnuts!
I received responses from several builders/peelots requesting TUESDAY as our meeting
day. Nobody requested Wednesday, although several said that either would
be OK.
THEREFORE, be it here decreed that the RV-8/-8a Official Builders' Meeting will
be held at 9:00am, Tuesday July 26th, at the base of some yet-to-be-selected
tree at the Theater in the Woods. All current/past/prospective RV-8/-8a builders
are welcome! Spread the word. If you know of another forum where RV-8 builders
hang out, feel free to pass the word there as well. Let's have a GREAT
turnout!
Be there or be square...
Oshkosh
Tuesday, July 26th
9:00am
Theater in the Woods
-- Don McNamara
N8RV
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| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Builders' Meeting |
Thursday would be a much better day. Many may not be arriving by Tuesday. Also
WX could delay those that are planning to be there on Tuesday.
Steve
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| From: | "Don McNamara" <N8RV(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Builders' Meeting |
All true, Steve. However, the appeal was made last week for input from
others and the majority preferred Tuesday. If someone wants to have a
second meeting, I have no monopoly on builders' meetings. I just won't be
hanging around for the weekend to run it.
That's not meant to sound sarcastic, just fact. In the last several years
of holding these meetings, the one on Saturday is either poorly attended or
canceled because nobody showed up.
If there is a groundswell of posts demanding a second meeting on Thurday, no
prob. I'll be there and will happily camp out by a tree and see who shows
up. Just let me know.
-- Don McNamara
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Oshkosh Builders' Meeting
>
> Thursday would be a much better day. Many may not be arriving by Tuesday.
> Also WX could delay those that are planning to be there on Tuesday.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
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| From: | "Marty" <martorious(at)earthlink.net> |
"'RV-8 List \(Yahoo\)'" ,
"'RV-8 List \(Matronics\)'"
| Subject: | RV Grinning (finally!) |
Ok, it's past my bedtime, but I couldn't shut down for the night
without sharing my GRIN!
It all started when I finally found time to make my first EAA Chapter
1311 meeting tonight, (running an hour late after following the wrong
directions and finding myself at Indianapolis (IND) instead of
Hendricks Co (2R2) where I was supposed to be, but that's another
story). I made my 'fashionably late' entrance and enjoyed the end of
a presentation by a local insurance agent talking about the various
permutations of aircraft insurance (very informative, but legalese is
not my native language ).
After a break for pizza, we sat down to a home video of several
chapter members doing volunteer work at Oshkosh helping to set up for
Airventure. During the video I got a tap on the shoulder and the
magic question "Would you like to go fly?" posed to me. I looked at
Jon Byrum with what must have been a look of joy that could have only
been topped if he had told me I had won the lottery, which as far as I
was concerned I had. He led me to the only experimental on the ramp,
an absolutely gorgeous RV-7A that was built by him and Vern Sullenger.
After the customary once over of where to step and where to place
hands (I've been on the lists long enough to know that the canopy is a
no-no for hand hold, so thanks guys for the education!) I was finally
sitting in an RV. We started up and taxied out for a great sunset
flight over Central Indiana. We weren't in a hurry, so an easy climb
to 4500 as we turned westward to see the last of the pink horizon
start to dim, the city lights and vehicle traffic going about their
business so far below. He set trim as we leveled off and settled in
to a cruise of 168 knots and he handed over the controls. Let me add
that I don't have my private ticket yet, in fact I've only taken my
introductory flight in a Cessna 152, so that is my only point of
reference. As I've heard so many times before, the controls are light
and very responsive. If I even thought about banking or changing
pitch it seemed the plane moved despite the fact that I was sure the
stick hadn't moved. I guess I was more anxious about handling someone
else's plane with my 0 hours, because I handed control back over to
him without a fight as we turned back for the airport. After a
greaser of a touchdown, he taxied up to the ramp and let me out. He
taxied back out and took off, waggling his wings at me as I stood
there and gawked with a major grin plastered on my face.
Many thanks to Chapter 1311 and especially Jon Byrum for an evening
that I'll never forget, which is eventually going to cost me around
40-50,000 dollars and about five years of my life! But it'll be worth
it as long as I have my very own RV when I'm done.
Sorry for the long post, but I had to put it in words while the
feeling was fresh, although I doubt I'll forget it anytime soon.
Marty Puckett
(Dang, my cheeks are going to be sore in the morning!)
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| From: | "jolly dawson" <jollyd(at)ipns.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV Grinning (finally!) |
welcome to the club, Marty..from one who built a RV8a, and am looking for
another project...jolly in dallas, or.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty" <martorious(at)earthlink.net>
List (Yahoo)'" ; "'RV-8 List (Matronics)'"
Subject: RV8-List: RV Grinning (finally!)
>
> Ok, it's past my bedtime, but I couldn't shut down for the night
> without sharing my GRIN!
>
> It all started when I finally found time to make my first EAA Chapter
> 1311 meeting tonight, (running an hour late after following the wrong
> directions and finding myself at Indianapolis (IND) instead of
> Hendricks Co (2R2) where I was supposed to be, but that's another
> story). I made my 'fashionably late' entrance and enjoyed the end of
> a presentation by a local insurance agent talking about the various
> permutations of aircraft insurance (very informative, but legalese is
> not my native language ).
>
> After a break for pizza, we sat down to a home video of several
> chapter members doing volunteer work at Oshkosh helping to set up for
> Airventure. During the video I got a tap on the shoulder and the
> magic question "Would you like to go fly?" posed to me. I looked at
> Jon Byrum with what must have been a look of joy that could have only
> been topped if he had told me I had won the lottery, which as far as I
> was concerned I had. He led me to the only experimental on the ramp,
> an absolutely gorgeous RV-7A that was built by him and Vern Sullenger.
> After the customary once over of where to step and where to place
> hands (I've been on the lists long enough to know that the canopy is a
> no-no for hand hold, so thanks guys for the education!) I was finally
> sitting in an RV. We started up and taxied out for a great sunset
> flight over Central Indiana. We weren't in a hurry, so an easy climb
> to 4500 as we turned westward to see the last of the pink horizon
> start to dim, the city lights and vehicle traffic going about their
> business so far below. He set trim as we leveled off and settled in
> to a cruise of 168 knots and he handed over the controls. Let me add
> that I don't have my private ticket yet, in fact I've only taken my
> introductory flight in a Cessna 152, so that is my only point of
> reference. As I've heard so many times before, the controls are light
> and very responsive. If I even thought about banking or changing
> pitch it seemed the plane moved despite the fact that I was sure the
> stick hadn't moved. I guess I was more anxious about handling someone
> else's plane with my 0 hours, because I handed control back over to
> him without a fight as we turned back for the airport. After a
> greaser of a touchdown, he taxied up to the ramp and let me out. He
> taxied back out and took off, waggling his wings at me as I stood
> there and gawked with a major grin plastered on my face.
>
> Many thanks to Chapter 1311 and especially Jon Byrum for an evening
> that I'll never forget, which is eventually going to cost me around
> 40-50,000 dollars and about five years of my life! But it'll be worth
> it as long as I have my very own RV when I'm done.
>
> Sorry for the long post, but I had to put it in words while the
> feeling was fresh, although I doubt I'll forget it anytime soon.
>
> Marty Puckett
> (Dang, my cheeks are going to be sore in the morning!)
>
>
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| From: | owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes. |
Guys =96 I am currently building the RV8 tail dragger gear boxes. Closing the
gear box, i.e. attaching the cover (802C) onto the sides (802 A & B), calls
for AN470 rivets. Once closed, getting inside the gear box is sort of hard.
Any of you guys have experience with replacing the rivets with screws (#6
screws should do it) so that the cover could be removable?
Thanks,
Michele Delsol
RV8 - Fuselage
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| From: | "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes. |
Michele,
I've left mine partially open and intend to close them with the appropriate
cherry-max rivets when I'm done in there . . . soon I hope!
Good Luck,
Bob
On 7/14/05, owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com <
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com> wrote:
>
>
> Guys 96 I am currently building the RV8 tail dragger gear boxes. Closing
> the
> gear box, i.e. attaching the cover (802C) onto the sides (802 A & B),
> calls
> for AN470 rivets. Once closed, getting inside the gear box is sort of
> hard.
> Any of you guys have experience with replacing the rivets with screws (#6
> screws should do it) so that the cover could be removable?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michele Delsol
>
> RV8 - Fuselage
>
>
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| Subject: | Electrical Tools-Wiring Supplies-Harnesses and More |
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| From: | "Sally and George" <aeronut58(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes. |
Michele:
You're right...it'll be a recurring nuisance getting inside those gear boxes
to, for instance, tighten the nuts holding the landing gear in place, or to
install the vent tubes and fittings.
However, I don't think that the screws will work. You'll soon be bolting
some weldments to the bottom of those gear boxes which will make removal of
the cover impossible.
High points to you for thinking ahead, but I think we just have to live with
these things.
George Kilishek
RV 8 N888GK flying
RV 8 N57GK finishing kit
>From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: , ,
>
>Subject: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:25:05 +0200
>
>
>Guys =96 I am currently building the RV8 tail dragger gear boxes. Closing
>the
>gear box, i.e. attaching the cover (802C) onto the sides (802 A & B), calls
>for AN470 rivets. Once closed, getting inside the gear box is sort of hard.
>Any of you guys have experience with replacing the rivets with screws (#6
>screws should do it) so that the cover could be removable?
>
>
>Tha
>Michele Delsol
>
>RV8 - Fuselage
>
>
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| From: | "Bryan Jones" <rv_8pilot(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes. |
The -8 is a pretty solid design, but even so there are still area that can
be improved upon. Regarding the gear towers, Mike Stewart has come up with
a pretty workable modification for gear tower access. He's installed
removable inside covers to the tower. Check here...
http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/super8/geartower/index.htm
Bryan Jones
www.LoneStarSquadron.com
Houston
>From: "Sally and George" <aeronut58(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:59:25 -0500
>
>
>Michele:
>
>You're right...it'll be a recurring nuisance getting inside those gear
>boxes
>to, for instance, tighten the nuts holding the landing gear in place, or to
>install the vent tubes and fittings.
>
>However, I don't think that the screws will work. You'll soon be bolting
>some weldments to the bottom of those gear boxes which will make removal of
>the cover impossible.
>
>High points to you for thinking ahead, but I think we just have to live
>with
>these things.
>
>George Kilishek
>RV 8 N888GK flying
>RV 8 N57GK finishing kit
>
> >From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: , ,
> >
> >Subject: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
> >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:25:05 +0200
> >
> >
> >Guys =96 I am currently building the RV8 tail dragger gear boxes. Closing
> >the
> >gear box, i.e. attaching the cover (802C) onto the sides (802 A & B),
>calls
> >for AN470 rivets. Once closed, getting inside the gear box is sort of
>hard.
> >Any of you guys have experience with replacing the rivets with screws (#6
> >screws should do it) so that the cover could be removable?
> >
> >
> >Tha
> >Michele Delsol
> >
> >RV8 - Fuselage
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "dschares(at)yousq.net" <dschares(at)yousq.net> |
| Subject: | RE: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/15/05 |
0.25 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be advance fee fraud (Nigerian 419)
Gerneral question to all?
Anyone using the mountian air lite instrument and how do you like it?
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Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:57:22 -0700
Subject: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/15/05
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1. 10:23 AM - Re: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes. (Bob C.)
2. 06:12 PM - Electrical Tools-Wiring Supplies-Harnesses and More ()
3. 08:00 PM - Re: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes. (Sally and
George)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
From: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
Michele,
I've left mine partially open and intend to close them with the appropriate
cherry-max rivets when I'm done in there . . . soon I hope!
Good Luck,
Bob
On 7/14/05, owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com <
owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com> wrote:
>
>
> Guys 96 I am currently building the RV8 tail dragger gear boxes. Closing
> the
> gear box, i.e. attaching the cover (802C) onto the sides (802 A & B),
> calls
> for AN470 rivets. Once closed, getting inside the gear box is sort of
> hard.
> Any of you guys have experience with replacing the rivets with screws (#6
> screws should do it) so that the cover could be removable?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michele Delsol
>
> RV8 - Fuselage
>
>
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
From: <fablef(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: RV8-List: Electrical Tools-Wiring Supplies-Harnesses and More
Hi Everyone,
With Matt Dralle's permission, I wanted to let everyone on the list know
that Affordable
Panels has added electrical tools, electrical supplies, wiring harnesses
and more to our inventory. We have some of the lowest prices on everything
from tools, terminals, connectors, wire, electroluminescent lighting, etc.
Our wiring harnesses for all Trutrak Autopilots are available in "Standard"
and
"Wing Root Disconnect" form, and we also offer harnesses for the Dynon EFIS,
Flightcom and many others at the very best prices.
Our full page catalog will be out in a couple of weeks. In the mean time,
anyone
interested can download the electrical portion of our catalog here.
http://www.affordablepanels.com/electrical.htm
All electrical orders placed on-line or faxed with a total above $175.00
will ship
free via UPS GROUND.
Best Regards,
Fabian Lefler
www.affordablepanels.com
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
From: "Sally and George" <aeronut58(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
Michele:
You're right...it'll be a recurring nuisance getting inside those gear
boxes
to, for instance, tighten the nuts holding the landing gear in place, or to
install the vent tubes and fittings.
However, I don't think that the screws will work. You'll soon be bolting
some weldments to the bottom of those gear boxes which will make removal of
the cover impossible.
High points to you for thinking ahead, but I think we just have to live
with
these things.
George Kilishek
RV 8 N888GK flying
RV 8 N57GK finishing kit
>From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: , ,
>
>Subject: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:25:05 +0200
>
>
>Guys =96 I am currently building the RV8 tail dragger gear boxes. Closing
>the
>gear box, i.e. attaching the cover (802C) onto the sides (802 A & B), calls
>for AN470 rivets. Once closed, getting inside the gear box is sort of hard.
>Any of you guys have experience with replacing the rivets with screws (#6
>screws should do it) so that the cover could be removable?
>
>
>Tha
>Michele Delsol
>
>RV8 - Fuselage
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | A GUIDE TO AIRCRAFT PAINTING & CORROSION CONTROL |
> This Information comes from my own research which I
did for
> my RV-8A, which I am building. Information applies
to both Aluminum and Composite aircraft. This is the
3th printing.
>
> --------------- ------------- ------------
>
> SAVE YOURSELF hundreds of hours of research time and
> building time, by using the comprehensive
>
> "Guide to Painting & Corrosion Control of Aluminum
> and
> Composite Aircraft"
>
> This book took over 600+ hours of research time by
> me,
> a fussy RV-8A Builder. Contains 69 pages of the
> latest, practical information - summarized and
> gathered from MIL Standards, Paint Shops, Builders
> like you (what worked or didn't), Airframe Mfgs,
> etc.
> Covers products from PP&G, Dupont, Sherwin W'ms,
> Sterling, Poly Fiber, Deft, Randolph Paints, PRC De
> Soto, US Paints, Aircraft Finishing Systems, 3M,
> etc.
>
> Some of the Topics covered in the 30 Sections are:
> * Aircraft Paints vs Auto Paints and Other
> Considerations
> * Corrosion Control
> * Spray Guns - selecting, adjusting, using
> and painting problems
> * Brushes / Rollers used with Primers &
> Paints
> * Prep Methods for Painting - Fiberglass,
> Steel and Aluminum
> * Epoxy Primers for Aluminum - MIL &
> Commercial, Solvent & Water Reducible
> * Primers for Fiberglass & Steel
> * Wash Primers & Self Etching Primers
> * Other Primers - Zinc Chromate,Zinc Oxide,
> Enamel
> * Paint Types: MIL & Non MIL Polyurethanes
> Enamel Types
> Acrylics - Lacquers & Enamels
> * Acid Etch / Conversion Coatings (Alodine)
> * Selecting a Paint Shop
> * 3M Cleaning Pads, Liquid Cleaner
> compatibility
> * Paint Booths and their Construction
> * References - MIL Standards & Tech Orders
> * Directory of Aircraft Paint Mfgs, Distrib-
> utors, etc. E-Mail addresses, phone
> numbers, Application Notes
>
> YOUR AIRPLANE is judged by it's Paint Job and it is
> costly too, so have the latest "Information" in
> order
> to make good decisions. Contains plenty of "Do's"
> and
> "Don'ts" that save you time, money and frustration.
>
> Send a check for $26 to (includes Postage within the
> US) to:
> Garey Wittich RV-8A Builder
> 58 Village Parkway
> Santa Monica, CA. 90405
>
>
__________________________________
http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jordan" <cjordan(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes. |
What has been done , with Van's blessing I think, is to cut the inboard panels
into three .Using nut plates for the center section and following the plans for
the other two.The cuts would be made one at the top of the weldment and the
second cut approximately the same distance from the top down.
Colin in Kelowna.
8 finishing.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes. |
If you start the access cover just below the bottom lightening hole it will
not interfere with the steel plate.
Paul Schattauer
>From: "Sally and George" <aeronut58(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:59:25 -0500
>
>
>Michele:
>
>You're right...it'll be a recurring nuisance getting inside those gear
>boxes
>to, for instance, tighten the nuts holding the landing gear in place, or to
>install the vent tubes and fittings.
>
>However, I don't think that the screws will work. You'll soon be bolting
>some weldments to the bottom of those gear boxes which will make removal of
>the cover impossible.
>
>High points to you for thinking ahead, but I think we just have to live
>with
>these things.
>
>George Kilishek
>RV 8 N888GK flying
>RV 8 N57GK finishing kit
>
> >From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: , ,
> >
> >Subject: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
> >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:25:05 +0200
> >
> >
> >Guys =96 I am currently building the RV8 tail dragger gear boxes. Closing
> >the
> >gear box, i.e. attaching the cover (802C) onto the sides (802 A & B),
>calls
> >for AN470 rivets. Once closed, getting inside the gear box is sort of
>hard.
> >Any of you guys have experience with replacing the rivets with screws (#6
> >screws should do it) so that the cover could be removable?
> >
> >
> >Tha
> >Michele Delsol
> >
> >RV8 - Fuselage
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
RV-8 list RV List
| From: | Ed OConnor <Edwardoconnor(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | PSS AOA Flap Position Sensor |
Does anyone on the list happen to have a picture of the installation of
the PSS flap position sensor switch on an RV-8. I have been pondering
just how to mount this little micro switch somewhere on the flap
actuator bar. If no pictures, maybe a good description will do it.
RV-8/Sandy Creek Airpark/Panama City FL/Mounting wings and tail
feathers
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | PSS AOA Flap Position Sensor |
This set-up has not given my any problems so far:
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/archives/2003/10/flap_limit_swit.html
-
Larry Bowen, RV-8, 104 Hrs.
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed OConnor
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:29 PM
> To: RV-List RV List; RV-8 list RV List
> Subject: RV8-List: PSS AOA Flap Position Sensor
>
>
> Does anyone on the list happen to have a picture of the
> installation of the PSS flap position sensor switch on an
> RV-8. I have been pondering just how to mount this little
> micro switch somewhere on the flap actuator bar. If no
> pictures, maybe a good description will do it.
> RV-8/Sandy Creek Airpark/Panama City FL/Mounting wings and
> tail feathers
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
| Subject: | PSS AOA Flap Position Sensor |
Ed,
Larry Bowen does. Here's a link:
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/archives/2003/10/flap_limit_swit.html
Terry
Does anyone on the list happen to have a picture of the installation of
the PSS flap position sensor switch on an RV-8. I have been pondering
just how to mount this little micro switch somewhere on the flap
actuator bar. If no pictures, maybe a good description will do it.
RV-8/Sandy Creek Airpark/Panama City FL/Mounting wings and tail
feathers
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | William Archer <flyawaboy(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/16/05 |
I am looking for a movable stand for my QB wings. Does anyone have one
that they don't need anymore. I would be glad to pay you for it and
come and get it. Bill Archer flyawaboy(at)cox.net 480-610-1186
On Jul 16, 2005, at 11:57 PM, RV8-List Digest Server wrote:
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> 1. 06:28 AM - Re: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes. (Bryan
> Jones)
> 2. 08:50 AM - Re: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/15/05
> (dschares(at)yousq.net)
> 3. 03:27 PM - A GUIDE TO AIRCRAFT PAINTING & CORROSION CONTROL
> (Garey Wittich)
> 4. 03:59 PM - Re: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes. (jordan)
> 5. 06:07 PM - Re: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes. (Paul
> Schattauer)
> 6. 06:29 PM - PSS AOA Flap Position Sensor (Ed OConnor)
> 7. 08:15 PM - Re: PSS AOA Flap Position Sensor (Larry Bowen)
> 8. 08:16 PM - Re: PSS AOA Flap Position Sensor (Terry Watson)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Bryan Jones" <rv_8pilot(at)hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>
>
> The -8 is a pretty solid design, but even so there are still area that
> can
> be improved upon. Regarding the gear towers, Mike Stewart has come up
> with
> a pretty workable modification for gear tower access. He's installed
> removable inside covers to the tower. Check here...
>
> http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/super8/geartower/index.htm
>
> Bryan Jones
> www.LoneStarSquadron.com
> Houston
>
>> From: "Sally and George" <aeronut58(at)hotmail.com>
>> Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:59:25 -0500
>>
>>
>>
>> Michele:
>>
>> You're right...it'll be a recurring nuisance getting inside those gear
>> boxes
>> to, for instance, tighten the nuts holding the landing gear in place,
>> or to
>> install the vent tubes and fittings.
>>
>> However, I don't think that the screws will work. You'll soon be
>> bolting
>> some weldments to the bottom of those gear boxes which will make
>> removal of
>> the cover impossible.
>>
>> High points to you for thinking ahead, but I think we just have to
>> live
>> with
>> these things.
>>
>> George Kilishek
>> RV 8 N888GK flying
>> RV 8 N57GK finishing kit
>>
>>> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>>> To: , ,
>>>
>>> Subject: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>>> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:25:05 +0200
>>>
>>>
>>> Guys =96 I am currently building the RV8 tail dragger gear boxes.
>>> Closing
>>> the
>>> gear box, i.e. attaching the cover (802C) onto the sides (802 A & B),
>> calls
>>> for AN470 rivets. Once closed, getting inside the gear box is sort of
>> hard.
>>> Any of you guys have experience with replacing the rivets with
>>> screws (#6
>>> screws should do it) so that the cover could be removable?
>>>
>>>
>>> Tha
>>> Michele Delsol
>>>
>>> RV8 - Fuselage
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "dschares(at)yousq.net" <dschares(at)yousq.net>
> Subject: RV8-List: RE: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/15/05
> 0.25 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be advance fee fraud
> (Nigerian 419)
>
>
>
>
> Gerneral question to all?
> Anyone using the mountian air lite instrument and how do you like it?
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: RV8-List Digest Server rv8-list-digest(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 07/15/05
>
>
> *
>
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> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> ==================================================
>
> Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
> formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv8-list/Digest.RV8-List.2005-07
> -15.html
>
> Text Version:
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>
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> -15.txt
>
>
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>
> RV8-List Digest Archive
> ---
> Total Messages Posted Fri 07/15/05: 3
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 10:23 AM - Re: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes. (Bob C.)
> 2. 06:12 PM - Electrical Tools-Wiring Supplies-Harnesses and More
> ()
> 3. 08:00 PM - Re: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes. (Sally and
> George)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>
>
> Michele,
> I've left mine partially open and intend to close them with the
> appropriate
> cherry-max rivets when I'm done in there . . . soon I hope!
> Good Luck,
> Bob
>
> On 7/14/05, owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com <
> owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Guys 96 I am currently building the RV8 tail dragger gear boxes.
>> Closing
>> the
>> gear box, i.e. attaching the cover (802C) onto the sides (802 A & B),
>> calls
>> for AN470 rivets. Once closed, getting inside the gear box is sort of
>> hard.
>> Any of you guys have experience with replacing the rivets with screws
>> (#6
>> screws should do it) so that the cover could be removable?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Michele Delsol
>>
>> RV8 - Fuselage
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: <fablef(at)bellsouth.net>
> Subject: RV8-List: Electrical Tools-Wiring Supplies-Harnesses and More
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
> With Matt Dralle's permission, I wanted to let everyone on the list
> know
> that Affordable
> Panels has added electrical tools, electrical supplies, wiring
> harnesses
> and more to our inventory. We have some of the lowest prices on
> everything
> from tools, terminals, connectors, wire, electroluminescent lighting,
> etc.
>
>
> Our wiring harnesses for all Trutrak Autopilots are available in
> "Standard"
> and
> "Wing Root Disconnect" form, and we also offer harnesses for the Dynon
> EFIS,
> Flightcom and many others at the very best prices.
>
>
> Our full page catalog will be out in a couple of weeks. In the mean
> time,
> anyone
> interested can download the electrical portion of our catalog here.
>
>
> http://www.affordablepanels.com/electrical.htm
>
>
> All electrical orders placed on-line or faxed with a total above
> $175.00
> will ship
> free via UPS GROUND.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Fabian Lefler
>
> www.affordablepanels.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Sally and George" <aeronut58(at)hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>
>
>
> Michele:
>
> You're right...it'll be a recurring nuisance getting inside those gear
> boxes
> to, for instance, tighten the nuts holding the landing gear in place,
> or to
> install the vent tubes and fittings.
>
> However, I don't think that the screws will work. You'll soon be
> bolting
> some weldments to the bottom of those gear boxes which will make
> removal of
> the cover impossible.
>
> High points to you for thinking ahead, but I think we just have to live
> with
> these things.
>
> George Kilishek
> RV 8 N888GK flying
> RV 8 N57GK finishing kit
>
>> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>> To: , ,
>>
>> Subject: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:25:05 +0200
>>
>>
>> Guys =96 I am currently building the RV8 tail dragger gear boxes.
>> Closing
>> the
>> gear box, i.e. attaching the cover (802C) onto the sides (802 A & B),
>> calls
>> for AN470 rivets. Once closed, getting inside the gear box is sort of
>> hard.
>> Any of you guys have experience with replacing the rivets with screws
>> (#6
>> screws should do it) so that the cover could be removable?
>>
>>
>> Tha
>> Michele Delsol
>>
>> RV8 - Fuselage
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: A GUIDE TO AIRCRAFT PAINTING & CORROSION CONTROL
>
>
>
>> This Information comes from my own research which I
> did for
>> my RV-8A, which I am building. Information applies
> to both Aluminum and Composite aircraft. This is the
> 3th printing.
>>
>> --------------- ------------- ------------
>>
>> SAVE YOURSELF hundreds of hours of research time and
>> building time, by using the comprehensive
>>
>> "Guide to Painting & Corrosion Control of Aluminum
>> and
>> Composite Aircraft"
>>
>> This book took over 600+ hours of research time by
>> me,
>> a fussy RV-8A Builder. Contains 69 pages of the
>> latest, practical information - summarized and
>> gathered from MIL Standards, Paint Shops, Builders
>> like you (what worked or didn't), Airframe Mfgs,
>> etc.
>> Covers products from PP&G, Dupont, Sherwin W'ms,
>> Sterling, Poly Fiber, Deft, Randolph Paints, PRC De
>> Soto, US Paints, Aircraft Finishing Systems, 3M,
>> etc.
>>
>> Some of the Topics covered in the 30 Sections are:
>> * Aircraft Paints vs Auto Paints and Other
>> Considerations
>> * Corrosion Control
>> * Spray Guns - selecting, adjusting, using
>> and painting problems
>> * Brushes / Rollers used with Primers &
>> Paints
>> * Prep Methods for Painting - Fiberglass,
>> Steel and Aluminum
>> * Epoxy Primers for Aluminum - MIL &
>> Commercial, Solvent & Water Reducible
>> * Primers for Fiberglass & Steel
>> * Wash Primers & Self Etching Primers
>> * Other Primers - Zinc Chromate,Zinc Oxide,
>> Enamel
>> * Paint Types: MIL & Non MIL Polyurethanes
>> Enamel Types
>> Acrylics - Lacquers & Enamels
>> * Acid Etch / Conversion Coatings (Alodine)
>> * Selecting a Paint Shop
>> * 3M Cleaning Pads, Liquid Cleaner
>> compatibility
>> * Paint Booths and their Construction
>> * References - MIL Standards & Tech Orders
>> * Directory of Aircraft Paint Mfgs, Distrib-
>> utors, etc. E-Mail addresses, phone
>> numbers, Application Notes
>>
>> YOUR AIRPLANE is judged by it's Paint Job and it is
>> costly too, so have the latest "Information" in
>> order
>> to make good decisions. Contains plenty of "Do's"
>> and
>> "Don'ts" that save you time, money and frustration.
>>
>> Send a check for $26 to (includes Postage within the
>> US) to:
>> Garey Wittich RV-8A Builder
>> 58 Village Parkway
>> Santa Monica, CA. 90405
>>
>>
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "jordan" <cjordan(at)telus.net>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>
>
> What has been done , with Van's blessing I think, is to cut the
> inboard panels
> into three .Using nut plates for the center section and following the
> plans for
> the other two.The cuts would be made one at the top of the weldment
> and the
> second cut approximately the same distance from the top down.
>
> Colin in Kelowna.
> 8 finishing.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711(at)msn.com>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>
>
> If you start the access cover just below the bottom lightening hole it
> will
> not interfere with the steel plate.
>
> Paul Schattauer
>
>> From: "Sally and George" <aeronut58(at)hotmail.com>
>> Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:59:25 -0500
>>
>>
>>
>> Michele:
>>
>> You're right...it'll be a recurring nuisance getting inside those gear
>> boxes
>> to, for instance, tighten the nuts holding the landing gear in place,
>> or to
>> install the vent tubes and fittings.
>>
>> However, I don't think that the screws will work. You'll soon be
>> bolting
>> some weldments to the bottom of those gear boxes which will make
>> removal of
>> the cover impossible.
>>
>> High points to you for thinking ahead, but I think we just have to
>> live
>> with
>> these things.
>>
>> George Kilishek
>> RV 8 N888GK flying
>> RV 8 N57GK finishing kit
>>
>>> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>>> To: , ,
>>>
>>> Subject: RV8-List: Closing tail dragger RV8 gear boxes.
>>> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:25:05 +0200
>>>
>>>
>>> Guys =96 I am currently building the RV8 tail dragger gear boxes.
>>> Closing
>>> the
>>> gear box, i.e. attaching the cover (802C) onto the sides (802 A & B),
>> calls
>>> for AN470 rivets. Once closed, getting inside the gear box is sort of
>> hard.
>>> Any of you guys have experience with replacing the rivets with
>>> screws (#6
>>> screws should do it) so that the cover could be removable?
>>>
>>>
>>> Tha
>>> Michele Delsol
>>>
>>> RV8 - Fuselage
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> RV-8 list RV List
> From: Ed OConnor <Edwardoconnor(at)mac.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: PSS AOA Flap Position Sensor
>
>
> Does anyone on the list happen to have a picture of the installation of
> the PSS flap position sensor switch on an RV-8. I have been pondering
> just how to mount this little micro switch somewhere on the flap
> actuator bar. If no pictures, maybe a good description will do it.
> RV-8/Sandy Creek Airpark/Panama City FL/Mounting wings and tail
> feathers
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: PSS AOA Flap Position Sensor
>
>
> This set-up has not given my any problems so far:
>
> http://bowenaero.com/mt3/archives/2003/10/flap_limit_swit.html
>
> -
> Larry Bowen, RV-8, 104 Hrs.
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed OConnor
>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:29 PM
>> To: RV-List RV List; RV-8 list RV List
>> Subject: RV8-List: PSS AOA Flap Position Sensor
>>
>>
>> Does anyone on the list happen to have a picture of the
>> installation of the PSS flap position sensor switch on an
>> RV-8. I have been pondering just how to mount this little
>> micro switch somewhere on the flap actuator bar. If no
>> pictures, maybe a good description will do it.
>> RV-8/Sandy Creek Airpark/Panama City FL/Mounting wings and
>> tail feathers
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: PSS AOA Flap Position Sensor
>
>
> Ed,
>
> Larry Bowen does. Here's a link:
> http://bowenaero.com/mt3/archives/2003/10/flap_limit_swit.html
>
> Terry
>
>
> Does anyone on the list happen to have a picture of the installation of
> the PSS flap position sensor switch on an RV-8. I have been pondering
> just how to mount this little micro switch somewhere on the flap
> actuator bar. If no pictures, maybe a good description will do it.
> RV-8/Sandy Creek Airpark/Panama City FL/Mounting wings and tail
> feathers
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Searle" <searle(at)mansfield.net.au> |
| Subject: | Lycoming IO-360 Starter |
I have a Lycoming IO-360-A1B, 200 HP engine which has a Magna Flight
Starter motor. Unfortunately the size of the Bendix housing fouls the air
intake Snorkel.
It seems that I need a different type of starter, can anyone advise me of
the make and part number of one that suits the RV8 ?
Thanks ...... Alan Searle. 81280.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Bean <jim-bean(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Lycoming IO-360 Starter |
I got mine from B&C. Very good quality. A little pricy.
http://www.bandc.biz/parts.html
So far it works great and clears the intake pipe.
regards
Jim Bean
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Searle" <searle(at)mansfield.net.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming IO-360 Starter |
Thanks Jim,
Cheers ... Alan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bean" <jim-bean(at)att.net>
Subject: RV8-List: Lycoming IO-360 Starter
>
> I got mine from B&C. Very good quality. A little pricy.
> http://www.bandc.biz/parts.html
> So far it works great and clears the intake pipe.
> regards
> Jim Bean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CBRxxDRV(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming IO-360 Starter |
In a message dated 7/20/2005 7:55:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
searle(at)mansfield.net.au writes:
> I have a Lycoming IO-360-A1B, 200 HP engine which has a Magna Flight
> Starter motor. Unfortunately the size of the Bendix housing fouls the air
> intake Snorkel.
>
> It seems that I need a different type of starter, can anyone advise me of
> the make and part number of one that suits the RV8 ?
>
My flying buddy has the same intake set up on his 8 and he has a Skytec
starter.
I am 99% sure it is the same one I got for my 8 149-12LS (149 is the
number of
flywheel teeth- 12 volt - left side )
RV-4
RV-8 QB .... Fuselage
Sal Capra
Lakeland, FL
My Home Page
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vincent Himsl" <vhimsl(at)turbonet.com> |
| Subject: | Fiberglass Thickness on windscreen band |
Hello,
I am working on the fiberglass band around the windscreen and am not quite
sure how thick to make the part that intersects the canopy...the part that I
will always want to grab getting in and out of the cockpit.
My inclination is to make it as thick as the canopy skirt with as little
flex/give as possible.
I am not too concerned with weight or I would spend more time in the gym.
Suggestions appreciated and thanks
Vince
RV8-VSB Finish (I hate fiberglass)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sportypilot" <sportypilot(at)stx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass Thickness on windscreen band |
Yeah I don't care much for fiberglass either, I used 5 or 6 layers of cloth
and glass, and made a 4 inch radius sanding wooden handle, glued the
80 (start) to the wood with the spray glue.. then 180 , then 320 grit, (rv9a
4" RADIUS) on the 8 it might need a different angle.. think smooth
transition from forward skin to windscreen.. as for grab ideas, i used the
handles from aircraft-extras 19.95 attached to the rollbar.. they are much
better than breaking off the fiberglass getting in and out of the thing.. I
tried this to see what was going to happen or where the grab points were
going to be.. the handles are rock solid and are one of the better ideas for
entry and exit.. I can see me or a pax grabbing the overlap glass and
breaking it off..
plus it will take some load off the armrest.. as thats the normal place that
people push up from..
just my ideas...
Danny..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent Himsl" <vhimsl(at)turbonet.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Fiberglass Thickness on windscreen band
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I am working on the fiberglass band around the windscreen and am not quite
> sure how thick to make the part that intersects the canopy...the part that
> I
> will always want to grab getting in and out of the cockpit.
>
> My inclination is to make it as thick as the canopy skirt with as little
> flex/give as possible.
>
> I am not too concerned with weight or I would spend more time in the gym.
>
> Suggestions appreciated and thanks
>
> Vince
> RV8-VSB Finish (I hate fiberglass)
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Fiberglass Thickness on windscreen band |
You Have the right idea. If I remember, I layed up about 4 layers of tape,
and soaked it with a lot of resin. I have 140 hrs on my 8A and it has held
up great.
Al Grajek
>From: "Vincent Himsl" <vhimsl(at)turbonet.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RV8-List: Fiberglass Thickness on windscreen band
>Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:27:22 -0700
>
>
>Hello,
>
>I am working on the fiberglass band around the windscreen and am not quite
>sure how thick to make the part that intersects the canopy...the part that
>I
>will always want to grab getting in and out of the cockpit.
>
>My inclination is to make it as thick as the canopy skirt with as little
>flex/give as possible.
>
>I am not too concerned with weight or I would spend more time in the gym.
>
>Suggestions appreciated and thanks
>
>Vince
>RV8-VSB Finish (I hate fiberglass)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fiberglass Thickness on windscreen band |
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I alternated fiberglass and carbon fiber. Four layers total. It's worked
fine so far because I don't use it for a hand-hold -- but next time I'll
do six layers total.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Al Grajek said:
>
> You Have the right idea. If I remember, I layed up about 4 layers of tape,
> and soaked it with a lot of resin. I have 140 hrs on my 8A and it has held
> up great.
> Al Grajek
>
>>From: "Vincent Himsl" <vhimsl(at)turbonet.com>
>>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>>To:
>>Subject: RV8-List: Fiberglass Thickness on windscreen band
>>Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:27:22 -0700
>>
>>
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I am working on the fiberglass band around the windscreen and am not
>> quite
>>sure how thick to make the part that intersects the canopy...the part
>> that
>>I
>>will always want to grab getting in and out of the cockpit.
>>
>>My inclination is to make it as thick as the canopy skirt with as little
>>flex/give as possible.
>>
>>I am not too concerned with weight or I would spend more time in the gym.
>>
>>Suggestions appreciated and thanks
>>
>>Vince
>>RV8-VSB Finish (I hate fiberglass)
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh Builders' Meeting |
Steve,
One of our fellow RV drivers had a brake fire that almost destroyed his
bird. There is a better fluid than 5606 that is COMPLETELY compatible with
5606 that is fire resistant. In fact there are several, but I'm going with
Aeroshell 31.
It's a synthetic and you only need to drain the 5606 and replace with 31
(MIL-PRF-83282).
Sorry I won't see you guys at Oshkosh, but I just got back from a 3600 mile
trip out west in the RV-8.
These birds sure do well at extremely high density altitudes (10,000 ft.+).
The country in Northern Arizona and Northern New Mexico is awesome.
(Especially for a Flat-Lander like me!) :-)
Also-It's probably better to NOT make this trip during record heat for the
area!!! :-)
Still waiting for you to show up in Senoia, GA.
Have a good time and eat some donuts for me!
Jim Crunkleton
RV-8 N802JD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Searle" <searle(at)mansfield.net.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming IO-360 Starter |
Thanks Sal,
That's good info, I will investigate further.
Cheers .......Alan.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CBRxxDRV(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lycoming IO-360 Starter
>
> In a message dated 7/20/2005 7:55:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> searle(at)mansfield.net.au writes:
>
>
> > I have a Lycoming IO-360-A1B, 200 HP engine which has a Magna Flight
> > Starter motor. Unfortunately the size of the Bendix housing fouls the
air
> > intake Snorkel.
> >
> > It seems that I need a different type of starter, can anyone advise me
of
> > the make and part number of one that suits the RV8 ?
> >
>
> My flying buddy has the same intake set up on his 8 and he has a Skytec
> starter.
> I am 99% sure it is the same one I got for my 8 149-12LS (149 is the
> number of
> flywheel teeth- 12 volt - left side )
>
>
> RV-4
> RV-8 QB .... Fuselage
>
>
> Sal Capra
> Lakeland, FL
> My Home Page
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | oil filter adapter |
Dear builders,
I would like to install the Lycoming 90 oil filter adapter, which is
offered by Spruce. It was originally designned by Caspar Labs, but I
can't find the address or email somewhere in the net. Does anybody have
installed this adapter and does it fit to the Lycoming IO360 in
combination with the Christen system and the Champiion 48110 filter?
Thanks for info
Stephan Servatius
RV8
56 hrs
D-EBRV
Germany
--
Stephan J.W. Servatius
Untere Hauptstr. 3
85461 Bockhorn
GERMANY
Tel. +49 8122 483 83
Fax. +49 8122 902 188
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch> |
| Subject: | Intersection fairings for RV8 w/Grove gear |
Hi,
Anyone building an RV8 with Grove airfoil gear in the Phoenix
area? Bob from Fairings-Etc. is looking for an aircraft to
use as a model for his fairings. I guess you would get a
pretty good deal on the fairings, and I could buy some so
that I don't have to use my amazingly crappy fairings.
Thanks,
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cdwambolt" <cdwambolt(at)cox.net> |
Just got off the phone with Bob at fairings etc. He is planning to use my
airplane to build intersection fairings for the Grove airfoil gear on the
RV8, and also wing root fairings. Problem is it so darn hot right now in
PHX that he's not getting a lot done. Plans to get to it in about 6 weeks
it sounds like. He does nice work, should be worth the wait if you are
interested. I told him my plane is available at any time, so whenever he
catches up a bit he will be over.
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
vansairforce(at)yahoogroups.com
Listers:
I am selling or trading my RV8A. It is a very well built Airplane with 145
Hrs on the airframe and 0-360, 180 hp. Lycoming with a Hartzell C/S Prop.
NIce VFR Day/ night panel with microair radios, Trio auto pilot. NIce
paint.Will trade for nice RV4 and cash. I am going to build a new RV 8.
Please contact off list at algrajek(at)msn.com. or Al Grajek 859-361-9460
Al Grajek
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don McNamara" <N8RV(at)gte.net> |
"RV-8 group"
My engine has been prepped for long-term storage. The dessicant plugs that were
supplied were purple, but three of them have turned pink, indicating moisture.
Anybody know how to recharge these plugs? Couldn't find any documention with the
engine manual.
Thanks,
Don
N8RV
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dessicant plugs |
Don,
Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is gone....I
think that would be 'well done'! :-)
Jim Crunkleton
RV-8 N802JD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky) |
| Subject: | Re: Dessicant plugs |
zap it in a microwave oven just a few seconds per plug. when they all pretty much
turn dark blue they are ready.
-------------- Original message --------------
>
> Don,
> Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is gone....I
> think that would be 'well done'! :-)
> Jim Crunkleton
> RV-8 N802JD
>
>
>
>
>
>
zap it in a microwave oven just a few seconds per plug. when they all pretty much
turn dark blue they are ready.
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV8-List message posted by: "Jim Crunkleton"
Don,
Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is gone....I
think that would be 'well done'! :-)
Jim Crunkleton
RV-8 N802JD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don McNamara" <N8RV(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dessicant plugs |
Thanks, guys!
I'll try the microwave solution first ... Kinda leery of melting the plastic
in my wife's oven ...
--Don
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucky" <luckymacy(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Dessicant plugs
>
> zap it in a microwave oven just a few seconds per plug. when they all
pretty much turn dark blue they are ready.
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> >
> > Don,
> > Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is
gone....I
> > think that would be 'well done'! :-)
> > Jim Crunkleton
> > RV-8 N802JD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> zap it in a microwave oven just a few seconds per plug. when they all
pretty much turn dark blue they are ready.
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> -- RV8-List message posted by: "Jim Crunkleton"
>
> Don,
> Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is gone....I
> think that would be 'well done'! :-)
> Jim Crunkleton
> RV-8 N802JD
>
>
> CKQUOTE>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James Hein <n8vim(at)arrl.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dessicant plugs |
Hi all,
I'm not sure what the plugs look like, but I'll share my knowledge...
When I paint, I have these inline dessicant filters, which are
"disposable". I can "recharge" them many times by blowing hot dry air
through them. Specifically, how I do it is I have a wood stove which has
a blower in it. I piped some of the hot air output into an adapter which
blows through the filter and within a few hours, it's blue again. I have
enough filters to last through the summer, then I dry them out again
during the winter. (Just using what I have around.... )
-Jim 40384
Don McNamara wrote:
>
>Thanks, guys!
>
>I'll try the microwave solution first ... Kinda leery of melting the plastic
>in my wife's oven ...
>
>--Don
> N8RV
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "lucky" <luckymacy(at)comcast.net>
>To:
>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Dessicant plugs
>
>
>
>
>>
>>zap it in a microwave oven just a few seconds per plug. when they all
>>
>>
>pretty much turn dark blue they are ready.
>
>
>>-------------- Original message --------------
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Don,
>>>Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is
>>>
>>>
>gone....I
>
>
>>>think that would be 'well done'! :-)
>>>Jim Crunkleton
>>>RV-8 N802JD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>zap it in a microwave oven just a few seconds per plug. when they all
>>
>>
>pretty much turn dark blue they are ready.
>
>
>>-------------- Original message --------------
>>
>> -- RV8-List message posted by: "Jim Crunkleton"
>>
>> Don,
>> Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is gone....I
>> think that would be 'well done'! :-)
>> Jim Crunkleton
>> RV-8 N802JD
>>
>>
>> > CKQUOTE>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
Don,
I bought a set of rechargeable plugs and filler from Aircraft Spruce. It
must have to do with open exhaust valves, but I have two cylinders (front
left and rear right, I think) that turn pink and get recharged quite
regularly - maybe every three months or so - probably varies with the
season. You can also dry the plugs out but it takes several hours in an oven
at a particular temperature to do so according to the instructions and I
haven't tried that yet.
Terry
My engine has been prepped for long-term storage. The dessicant plugs that
were supplied were purple, but three of them have turned pink, indicating
moisture.
Anybody know how to recharge these plugs? Couldn't find any documention
with the engine manual.
Thanks,
Don
N8RV
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky) |
| Subject: | Re: Dessicant plugs |
i didn't think to mention this earlier but make sure you remove the silica from
the plug before you stick in the microwave - unless it says microwave and dishwasher
safe ;-)
-------------- Original message --------------
>
> Thanks, guys!
>
> I'll try the microwave solution first ... Kinda leery of melting the plastic
> in my wife's oven ...
>
> --Don
> N8RV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lucky"
> To:
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Dessicant plugs
>
>
> >
> > zap it in a microwave oven just a few seconds per plug. when they all
> pretty much turn dark blue they are ready.
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > >
> > > Don,
> > > Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is
> gone....I
> > > think that would be 'well done'! :-)
> > > Jim Crunkleton
> > > RV-8 N802JD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > zap it in a microwave oven just a few seconds per plug. when they all
> pretty much turn dark blue they are ready.
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > -- RV8-List message posted by: "Jim Crunkleton"
> >
> > Don,
> > Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is gone....I
> > think that would be 'well done'! :-)
> > Jim Crunkleton
> > RV-8 N802JD
> >
> >
> > > > CKQUOTE>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
i didn't think to mention this earlier but make sure you remove the silica from
the plug before you stick in the microwave - unless it says microwave and dishwasher
safe ;-)
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV8-List message posted by: "Don McNamara"
Thanks, guys!
I'll try the microwave solution first ... Kinda leery of melting the plastic
in my wife's oven ...
--Don
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucky" <LUCKYMACY(at)COMCAST.NET>
To:
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Dessicant plugs
-- RV8-List message posted by: luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky)
zap it in a microwave oven just a few seconds per plug. when they all
pretty much turn dark blue they are ready.
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV8-List message posted by: "Jim
Crunkleton"
Don,
Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is
gone....I
think that would be 'well done'! :-)
Jim Crunkleton
RV-8 N802JD
zap it in a microwave oven just a few seconds per plug. when they all
pretty much turn dark blue they are ready.
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV8-List message posted by: "Jim Crunkleton"
Don,
Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is gone....I
think that would be 'well done'! :-)
Jim Crunkleton
RV-8 N802JD
| Date: | Aug 07, 2005 |
| Subject: | Re: Dessicant plugs |
I would recommend you take the dessicant out of the plugs and spread it
out on a glass tray and microwave it. If you leave it in the plastic
plugs you might melt the plugs as the silca will get hot as the water
turns to steam.
You can also spread the stuff out on a sheet of foil and bake it in a
normal oven for 30-45 minutes or until they turn blue again.
Once they are blue, put the stuff back in the plugs and re-install.
v/r
Bill
RV-4 tail kit
writes:
>
>
> Don,
> Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is
> gone....I
> think that would be 'well done'! :-)
> Jim Crunkleton
> RV-8 N802JD
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "mailindex(at)juno.com" <mailindex(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Dessicant plugs |
Another thing you can do is get some extra silica from ACS and then you only have
to do the oven thing once every few years. You can put a plug full of it in
the exhaust too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
i didn't think to mention this earlier but make sure you remove the silica from
the plug before you stick in the microwave - unless it says microwave and
dishwasher safe ;-)
-------------- Original message --------------
>
> Thanks, guys!
>
> I'll try the microwave solution first ... Kinda leery of melting the
plastic
> in my wife's oven ...
>
> --Don
> N8RV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lucky"
> To:
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Dessicant plugs
>
>
> >
> > zap it in a microwave oven just a few seconds per plug. when they all
> pretty much turn dark blue they are ready.
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > >
> > > Don,
> > > Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is
> gone....I
> > > think that would be 'well done'! :-)
> > > Jim Crunkleton
> > > RV-8 N802JD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > zap it in a microwave oven just a few seconds per plug. when they all
> pretty much turn dark blue they are ready.
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > -- RV8-List message posted by: "Jim Crunkleton"
> >
> > Don,
> > Pop the dessicant into an oven and bake at 250 till the pink is
gone....I
> > think that would be 'well done'! :-)
> > Jim Crunkleton
> > RV-8 N802JD
> >
> >
> > > > CKQUOTE>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
i didn't think to mention this earlier but make sure you remove the silica from
the plug before you stick in the microwave - unless it says microwave and
dishwasher safe ;-)
-------------- Original message --------------
-- RV8-List message posted by: "Don McNamara"
Thanks, guys!
I'll try the microwave solution first ... Kinda leery of melting the plastic
in my wife's oven ...
--Don
N8RV
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| From: | "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
Howdy-
A couple of tangential points: While discussing these plugs with someone
who's been doing this a lot longer than me, he made the observation that
these plugs do a better job of indicating the presence of moisture than
actually removing it. The more I thought about that, the more it made
sense to me. So, I used a couple gallons of Shell preservative oil and
thoroughly sloshed the engine, including the cylinders. When that was
done, I added another case of oil to the crankcase and stored the engine
upside down. (the engine was on it's mount, which was on a wooden firewall
mockup, which in turn was mounted to a Harbor Freight engine stand). All
the exhaust valve ports, the crankshaft, and the servo induction inlet were
capped. Well, that preservative is remarkable stuff. Given time, it will
make it's way out the tiniest opportunity, spread all over, drip the floor,
spread, and climb the nearest wall. Guess how I know.... I actually had
to have my FI servo disassembled and cleaned because this stuff had gotten
into it. So, my desiccator plugs filled with oil, even tho they were in
the upper plug holes as stored. This of course ruined them, but with the
oil spreading uphill, who needs them?
The weak link here seemed to be the valve ports. These I treated with an
aerosol engine preservative and capped. Two years later, the valve stems
are still shiny.
FWIW-
gm
PS - I'll be out of town for the next 2-3 weeks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com> |
| Subject: | Annual inspection question - Magnetos |
Listers,
I am updating my annual inspection checklist. I have a Lycoming O-320 with
Slick magnetos. Should these magnetos be pulled off the airplane every
annual for inspection of the points, gapping, etc or is it acceptable just
to check the timing. I know that the mags are due for an overhaul at 500
hours.
Stephen Soule
Annual inspection question - Magnetos
Listers,
I am updating my annual inspection checklist. I have a Lycoming O-320 with Slick
magnetos. Should these magnetos be pulled off the airplane every annual for
inspection of the points, gapping, etc or is it acceptable just to check the timing.
I know that the mags are due for an overhaul at 500 hours.
Stephen Soule
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ashby Family Law" <sashby(at)ashbyfamilylaw.com> |
| Subject: | HVLP conversion guns |
Hi. I am a newbie. I just started by 8A tail kit in June. I am having a
great time with construction. I have been priming with a rattle can of SEM
self etching primer that I bought at a local auto paint supplier. I have
already ordered the wing kit and I want to spray something more economical
with it.
At Oshkosh a few weeks ago I saw the HVLP guys that want to sell me a
turbine sprayer for roughly $1K. However, after returning to Atlanta, I
have seen several HVLP conversion guns (that run on a regular compressor)
for less than $100. Does anyone have any experience with these "better
value" (cheap?) HVLP guns? I only intend to spray primer with it for now.
I will not think about the exterior paint for a few years. I feel my
compressor has the oomph for a conversion gun (5hp, 20 gal. capacity).
Thanks in advance for the advice,
Steve Ashby
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: HVLP conversion guns |
Hi Steve
I bought a Sharp Cobalt HVLP gun (1.8mm orifice) that I have been using with
AZKO two part primer. It has worked very well (I am the envy of the local
EAA guys). Gives a nice even consistency. I think it was about $200.
Regards,
Michael Wynn
RV-8 Empennage
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Clark, Thomas M UTPWR" <Tom.Clark(at)utcfuelcells.com> |
| Subject: | HVLP conversion guns |
Steve,
The answer is actually quite clear, don't buy the $1000 turbine air system
unless you get a very expensive 4 or 5 stage turbine unit that can
continuously put out 8 psi. They do work well for primer and dope but are
marginal on high solids finish paints. I recommend you save the $1000 and
put toward your finish paint job. A basic "Copy Cat" HVLP gun with your 5 hp
compressor will do your priming job with ease and yield excellent results.
Keep the primer coat thin as most people tend over paint. You also have the
option of using a siphon type gun as well. They tend to give a bit more over
spray and use more thinner and therefore can no longer be used in production
shops due to the additional pollution. They are not band from personal use
and are still sold. This type of gun is the easiest to use and will give the
best spray atomization especially for the finish coats. A good copy of a
Binks Model 7 or a Devilbis MBC will make you look like a pro for under
$100. If you only plan on doing the primer just go with the small HLVP.
Hope this helps.
Tom Clark
RV8 Fastback
-----Original Message-----
From: Ashby Family Law [mailto:sashby(at)ashbyfamilylaw.com]
Subject: RV8-List: HVLP conversion guns
Hi. I am a newbie. I just started by 8A tail kit in June. I am having a
great time with construction. I have been priming with a rattle can of SEM
self etching primer that I bought at a local auto paint supplier. I have
already ordered the wing kit and I want to spray something more economical
with it.
At Oshkosh a few weeks ago I saw the HVLP guys that want to sell me a
turbine sprayer for roughly $1K. However, after returning to Atlanta, I
have seen several HVLP conversion guns (that run on a regular compressor)
for less than $100. Does anyone have any experience with these "better
value" (cheap?) HVLP guns? I only intend to spray primer with it for now.
I will not think about the exterior paint for a few years. I feel my
compressor has the oomph for a conversion gun (5hp, 20 gal. capacity).
Thanks in advance for the advice,
Steve Ashby
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com> |
| Subject: | Annual inspection question - magneto points |
Listers,
I am updating my annual inspection checklist for my RV-6A. I have a Lycoming
O-320 with Slick magnetos. Should these magnetos be pulled off the airplane
every annual for inspection of the points, gapping, etc or is it acceptable
just to check/reset the timing? I know that the mags are due for an overhaul
at 500 hours.
Stephen Soule
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv9-list(at)matronics.com,
Listers,
Gary VanRemortel just sent me an update to the RV Yeller Pages and it
can be found here:
http://www.matronics.com/YellerPages/
Thanks Gary!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Merems" <merems(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: HVLP conversion guns |
Steve,
I am spraying AKSO 2 part primer with my Harbor Freight HVLP gun ($50). It works
great, very little overspray,easy to clean, consistent pattern. My compressor
is 1 hp, 20 gal unit. No problems at all. Don't know if I will spray exterior
paint with it yet, but for $50 you can't go wrong.
Paul (RV-4/RV-7A fuse)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ashby Family Law
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:31 AM
Subject: RV8-List: HVLP conversion guns
Hi. I am a newbie. I just started by 8A tail kit in June. I am having a
great time with construction. I have been priming with a rattle can of SEM
self etching primer that I bought at a local auto paint supplier. I have
already ordered the wing kit and I want to spray something more economical
with it.
At Oshkosh a few weeks ago I saw the HVLP guys that want to sell me a
turbine sprayer for roughly $1K. However, after returning to Atlanta, I
have seen several HVLP conversion guns (that run on a regular compressor)
for less than $100. Does anyone have any experience with these "better
value" (cheap?) HVLP guns? I only intend to spray primer with it for now.
I will not think about the exterior paint for a few years. I feel my
compressor has the oomph for a conversion gun (5hp, 20 gal. capacity).
Thanks in advance for the advice,
Steve Ashby
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ed clegg" <edwclg(at)adelphia.net> |
I posted a msg in the wrong grp on this subject.
Maybe here I will get a better response.
I am thinking of opening up the gear towers as some have done.
Any thoughts pro or con would be appreciated. I have had opinions on both
sides of the issue from good sources.
Thanks,
Ed Clegg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Denk" <akroguy(at)hotmail.com> |
>
>I posted a msg in the wrong grp on this subject.
>Maybe here I will get a better response.
>I am thinking of opening up the gear towers as some have done.
>Any thoughts pro or con would be appreciated. I have had opinions on both
>sides of the issue from good sources.
>Thanks,
>Ed Clegg
As they are a most definitely structural members, I'm sure Van's wouldn't
advise modifying them. Yet, I also have seen them opened up, mostly by
separating the lower half of the cover and attaching via screws/nutplates.
This is still a very beefy assembly as far as my armchair engineering degree
tells me. If I was to build another -8, I would make this mod. Getting to
those gear bolts is hell.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Cross <bcross2160(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Grove Gear Fairings |
Hi Charlie
Thanks very much for the update on the intersection fairings for the -8. I
have made a set of upper intersection fairings. I guess they will look OK
after about 300 or more hours of filling & sanding, :) , but I think I
would like to fast track it & buy a set from Bob.
Please keep me posted.
Brian Cross
#81844
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brett Hahn" <abakerson(at)zianet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Grove Gear Fairings |
Bob makes some nice fairings, I have seen his work.
Brett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Cross" <bcross2160(at)rogers.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Grove Gear Fairings
>
> Hi Charlie
>
> Thanks very much for the update on the intersection fairings for the -8.
I
> have made a set of upper intersection fairings. I guess they will look OK
> after about 300 or more hours of filling & sanding, :) , but I think I
> would like to fast track it & buy a set from Bob.
>
> Please keep me posted.
>
> Brian Cross
> #81844
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "ed clegg" <edwclg(at)adelphia.net> |
To all you grove gear folks,
I am getting ready to drill my G. gear and would like some input.
On the outbd bracket, both sides, it seems that about a half inch of skin
must be removed in order for them to fit. Is this what everyone found?
Also the outbd wear plate dose not lie completely flat; that is it has a
very small rocking motion side to side which could be stopped with the
addition of a shim. Has any one seen that?
I am going to drill this with the fuse in the upright position. Those of you
that have done it this way, how did you clamp the gear in place while
drilling?
Any other advice, input or whatever is appreciated.
Thanks,
Ed Clegg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch> |
Hi Ed,
I had my fuselage upside down - it was hard enough in that
position. I know others have done it right side up, so it
can be done. You just need to get used to hot metal chips
falling down your neck!
There is some skin to be removed so the outboard bracket
can fit, and it does rock a bit until it is fully installed.
You might want to use a shim to keep it steady, but it is
not needed when you finally bolt on the gear.
Sorry I don't have any pictures of this on my website.
Mickey
ed clegg wrote:
>
> To all you grove gear folks,
>
> I am getting ready to drill my G. gear and would like some input.
> On the outbd bracket, both sides, it seems that about a half inch of skin
> must be removed in order for them to fit. Is this what everyone found?
> Also the outbd wear plate dose not lie completely flat; that is it has a
> very small rocking motion side to side which could be stopped with the
> addition of a shim. Has any one seen that?
>
> I am going to drill this with the fuse in the upright position. Those of you
> that have done it this way, how did you clamp the gear in place while
> drilling?
> Any other advice, input or whatever is appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Ed Clegg
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| From: | DONKEYVET(at)aol.com |
Ed,
We also drilled ours upside down. Drilling it right side up seems ambitious.
Can you do it upside down? It's been awhile but it seems like we did a little
trimming but we didn't end up shimming it. We also aligned it by clamping
lasar levels to the gear on the wheel attachment plane since this kind of gear
is
different to measure than the others. I can tell you more about that if you
like.
Dennis Flosi, RV-8, finishing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wally Allington" <chilipepper(at)summergrove.net> |
What I did was reversed the bolts and will torque them from under the
aircraft. Thought I might need to spot weld something next to bolt head
to keep it from turning but as it turns out the bolt doesn't turn
anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Denk
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Gear tower
>
>I posted a msg in the wrong grp on this subject.
>Maybe here I will get a better response.
>I am thinking of opening up the gear towers as some have done.
>Any thoughts pro or con would be appreciated. I have had opinions on
both
>sides of the issue from good sources.
>Thanks,
>Ed Clegg
As they are a most definitely structural members, I'm sure Van's
wouldn't
advise modifying them. Yet, I also have seen them opened up, mostly by
separating the lower half of the cover and attaching via
screws/nutplates.
This is still a very beefy assembly as far as my armchair engineering
degree
tells me. If I was to build another -8, I would make this mod. Getting
to
those gear bolts is hell.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I checked the torque on these just the other night. There isn't enough
room to get a socket or wrench in there, as we all know. I ended up
jamming a wedge (the end of a small adjustable wrench) between the nut and
the weldment, then torqued the bolt from underneath. Kludgy, but it got
the job.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Wally Allington said:
>
>
> What I did was reversed the bolts and will torque them from under the
> aircraft. Thought I might need to spot weld something next to bolt head
> to keep it from turning but as it turns out the bolt doesn't turn
> anyway.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Denk
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Gear tower
>
>
>>
>>I posted a msg in the wrong grp on this subject.
>>Maybe here I will get a better response.
>>I am thinking of opening up the gear towers as some have done.
>>Any thoughts pro or con would be appreciated. I have had opinions on
> both
>>sides of the issue from good sources.
>>Thanks,
>>Ed Clegg
>
>
> As they are a most definitely structural members, I'm sure Van's
> wouldn't
> advise modifying them. Yet, I also have seen them opened up, mostly by
> separating the lower half of the cover and attaching via
> screws/nutplates.
> This is still a very beefy assembly as far as my armchair engineering
> degree
> tells me. If I was to build another -8, I would make this mod. Getting
> to
> those gear bolts is hell.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 '51
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon(at)seanet.com> |
I bought a low profile socket with a universal joint built into it, and
a couple real long extensions which stuck out the top lightning hole in
the gear tower. This worked but is a pain, I wish I would have put them
in facing down now.
Kevin Shannon
60 hours on hobbs now
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Gear tower
I checked the torque on these just the other night. There isn't enough
room to get a socket or wrench in there, as we all know. I ended up
jamming a wedge (the end of a small adjustable wrench) between the nut
and
the weldment, then torqued the bolt from underneath. Kludgy, but it got
the job.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Wally Allington said:
>
>
> What I did was reversed the bolts and will torque them from under the
> aircraft. Thought I might need to spot weld something next to bolt
head
> to keep it from turning but as it turns out the bolt doesn't turn
> anyway.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Denk
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Gear tower
>
>
>>
>>I posted a msg in the wrong grp on this subject.
>>Maybe here I will get a better response.
>>I am thinking of opening up the gear towers as some have done.
>>Any thoughts pro or con would be appreciated. I have had opinions on
> both
>>sides of the issue from good sources.
>>Thanks,
>>Ed Clegg
>
>
> As they are a most definitely structural members, I'm sure Van's
> wouldn't
> advise modifying them. Yet, I also have seen them opened up, mostly
by
> separating the lower half of the cover and attaching via
> screws/nutplates.
> This is still a very beefy assembly as far as my armchair engineering
> degree
> tells me. If I was to build another -8, I would make this mod.
Getting
> to
> those gear bolts is hell.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 '51
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Denk" <akroguy(at)hotmail.com> |
>
>
>I checked the torque on these just the other night. There isn't enough
>room to get a socket or wrench in there, as we all know. I ended up
>jamming a wedge (the end of a small adjustable wrench) between the nut and
>the weldment, then torqued the bolt from underneath. Kludgy, but it got
>the job.
>
>-
>Larry Bowen
>Larry(at)BowenAero.com
>http://BowenAero.com
>
Yup. I can relate. I think I used a small pair of needle nose vise grips to
clamp onto the nuts and then just torqued on the bolts from the bottom.
Once the pliers jammed into the weldment, they stayed put. Really a pain
that's for sure, but ain't nuthin' a quick chiropractor visit can't fix.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51 no gear towers!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mark Sutherland" <marksuth(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Inverted fuel "system" |
Anyone have experience converting a q-build wing to an inverted fuel system
? ie; take the tank out of the wing to add the flop tube and change the
location of the fuel quantity (float type) sender.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tpu2(at)juno.com" <tpu2(at)juno.com> |
With great sadness, here goes:
RV8A ready for finishing kit.
Emp completed with fairings attached, tail light, mac trim servo installed. Has
been rigged and bolted to fuse, off now.
Wings completed with tips installed, whelen strobes tip supplies mounted and working,
fiberglassing done and strobe assys fitted, dual Duckworks installed,
heated pitot with Gretz bracket, pitot line and all wiring completed to wing root.
Dual NACA vents and hoses are installed.
Fuselage is complete except top aft skin and fwd upper panel ready for riveting
(access to avionics). All inside panels are painted, some wiring and plumbing
done. MACs newest grip G307 and relay to flap installed and working on bent
stick. Jacks and PTT installed in rear seat. MAC aileron trim installed.
ELT and antenna installed and wired. Outer panel has aluminum vent, ignition
switches, start button, trim indicators installed and working. Wrinkle black
powder coated. Center panel is ready for your cutting. Landing gear are on.
Parking brake installed and lines run. Engine mount for IO-360-A1A also included
(deduct from finishing kit price)
Engine is 200HP IO-360A1A, 700 SNEW, 0SMOH (sat for 5yrs and suffered minor corrosion)
New cam, flow matched lifters, OH governor, etc, etc. Intake tubes
thermal barrier coated. Fuel servo needs OH ($600)
Misc: New David Clark DC-Com 500 intercom ($700), Com antenna ($120), many extras
such as wire, switches, fuses, tubing, hardware, etc are included.
I also have a new in the box JPI EDM-930 engine monitor for sale separately, but
could be included.
Delivery could also be negotiated. Asking $42,000
Ted at 317-627-7714 to discuss, Indianapolis
With great sadness, here goes:
RV8A ready for finishing kit.
Emp completed with fairings attached, tail light, mac trim servo installed. Has
been rigged and bolted to fuse, off now.
Wings completed with tips installed, whelen strobes tip supplies mounted and working,
fiberglassing done and strobe assys fitted, dual Duckworks installed, heated
pitot with Gretz bracket, pitot line and all wiring completed to wing root.
Dual NACA vents and hoses are installed.
Fuselage is complete except top aft skin and fwd upper panel ready for riveting
(access to avionics). All inside panels are painted, some wiring and plumbing
done. MACs newest grip G307 and relay to flap installed and working on bent stick.
Jacks and PTT installed in rear seat. MAC aileron trim installed. ELT and
antenna installed and wired. Outer panel has aluminum vent, ignition switches,
start button, trim indicators installed and working. Wrinkle black powder coated.
Center panel is ready for your cutting. Landing gear are on. Parking brake
installed and lines run. Engine mount for IO-360-A1A also included (deduct
from finishing kit price)
Engine is 200HP IO-360A1A, 700 SNEW, 0SMOH (sat for 5yrs and suffered minor corrosion)
New cam, flow matched lifters, OH governor, etc, etc. Intake tubes thermal
barrier coated. Fuel servo needs OH ($600)
Misc: New David Clark DC-Com 500 intercom ($700), Com antenna ($120), many extras
such as wire, switches, fuses, tubing, hardware, etc are included.
I also have a new in the box JPI EDM-930 engine monitor for sale separately, but
could be included.
Delivery could also be negotiated. Asking $42,000
Ted at 317-627-7714 to discuss, Indianapolis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <fairings4u(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Heating and Shaping Fiberglass brom Bob @ Fairings-Etc |
Heating and Shaping Fiberglass
OK Gang, heres the deal on heating and shaping fiberglass. This is always
true with ester resins (more or less) and somewhat true with epoxy (most of
the time.)
When resins harden they form a molecular, 3 dimensional fishnet looking
structure. This fishnet is wrapped, wound, in, over and throughout the fiberglass
strands.
The fiberglass strands are about the same as the window you are gazing
out of wondering why you are reading this. Chemically there are differences,
but I dont have a clue just how that works.
If you got way down in the strands you would find teeny tiny fibers that
look like a barb wire fence made by a guy that went insane putting the barbs
on.
When you heat this thing up, the molecular bonds weaken in the fishnet
and as you bend/reshape the part the fishnet tears apart and the fibers in the
glass break because they cannot slide past each other like they could when the
resin was a fluid.
If you have been following along here, you can see that you just broke
the part. You probably cant see it because its more or less on the molecular
level, but it is broken.
Now the question is are you ever going to care. If it is a no or low stress
area it probably isnt going to cause a problem. If its a stressed or vibrated
area it will crack after you put that 1OK paint job on.
Epoxy is a little different deal, sometimes and sort of. It is more a
temperature cure where -ester resin is more related to time. Most -ester laminates
will be cured in 24 to 72 hours. The epoxy we use will be hard when it
has been to 150 to 175 degrees F. What this says is, if you make a part and it
has been to, say 80 degrees you can heat it to 120 degrees and reform it some.
The resin will reharden but the glass strands my not like it much.
Now experts and engineers dont argue with me! Im old, crotchety, and dont
want to be confused by facts. Nevertheless, do feel free to add your thinking
to the discussion.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tpu2(at)juno.com" <tpu2(at)juno.com> |
My 8A project sold in 15 minutes. At least the pain wasn't prolonged....
Thanks to all
Ted
My 8A project sold in 15 minutes. At least the pain wasn't prolonged....
Thanks to all
Ted
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Cross <bcross2160(at)rogers.com> |
Hi Folks
Just a quick question. I was just drilling out the F-821 top skin, (over
the instrument panel & baggage compartment). Shortly, I have to cut out
the area for the glare shield which also allows the roll bar to fit.
Vans shows a suggested cut out area for the glare shield. Has everybody
followed their suggestion or has anyone suggested any change to this detail
to allow more sun shielding for the new style EFIS equipment which is
showing up everywhere for example?
Thanks for your thoughts.
Brian #81844
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Glare Shield |
Brian,
I don't have EFIS in my bird and I followed Van's suggestion. However
extending the cutout aft would probably be a good idea for EFIS
installations....however, to protect ones' head in a disaster it might be
prudent to make a normal cutout and then create an attachable padded
glareshield out of .016 alum. instead of the .032. (Hopefully it will mangle
before slicing through the gray matter!)
I did this for a friends F1 Rocket with EFIS and it works quite well.
I did have to run the screws in from the bottom, but I put foam on the top
covered with naughahyde and they are barely noticeable. (Your results may
vary) :-)
Jim Crunkleton
N802JD
________________________________________________________________________________
RV-8 list RV List
| From: | Ed OConnor <Edwardoconnor(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Airflow Performance Fuel Adjustments |
I just ran my XP 360 for the first time and it idled extremely rich.
Black smoke, and soot on exhaust and it would idle much smoother after
leaning about half way back. I called Performance and they said to
shorten the linkage on the throttle arm to the fuel metering arm and I
did this, (two turns) and it seemed to make it worse on the second
run. Anybody out there have any experience adjusting the air flow
performance idle mixture and if so do you have a good procedure to
follow. Performance said I might have an intake leak but I don't think
that is the case. RV-8/XP 360/Vertical updraft FM 200 Airflow
Performance controller
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
I will be taking the Matronics Web Server down for a few hours today,
Tuesday September 6 2005 for a chassis upgrade. Archive browsing and
searching along with subscription services will be unavailable for
be processed normally during the upgrade. Please check the Matronics
System Status Page for updates (although this page resides on the web
server and won't be available during the upgrade):
http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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| Subject: | ExperCraft build log |
| From: | "Robert Riggen" <rob(at)riggen.org> |
Fellow builders,
This is an invite to those who need a method for creating a project log
and Web site.
Even if you've already started your log using another system this one is
worth a look.
ExperCraft Simple Log is free for builders and is a great way to create a
comprehensive log and Web site. It's very easy to use.
http://www.expercraft.com
Enjoy!
Rob
--
Rob Riggen
building a Vans RV7
http://websites.expercraft.com/rriggen
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| From: | Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | extra parts left over |
I am finishing up the second wing panel of my RV-7 and have two
identical parts left over. Can't find them on the plans. Any RV-7 or
RV-8 builder recognize them from either the empennage or wing parts?
These parts are .060 aluminum sheet with blue vinyl.
http://www.newtech.com/unknown_part_002.jpg
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A, fuselage ships October 24th
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| From: | "Steve Hunt" <stephen.hunt19(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: extra parts left over |
If no part number on white label then probably just gash leftovers......ask
Vans tech support to be sure. We have built the RV8 wings / tail /fuse and
do not recognise these bits.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Eberhart" <steve(at)newtech.com>
Subject: RV8-List: extra parts left over
>
> I am finishing up the second wing panel of my RV-7 and have two
> identical parts left over. Can't find them on the plans. Any RV-7 or
> RV-8 builder recognize them from either the empennage or wing parts?
> These parts are .060 aluminum sheet with blue vinyl.
>
> http://www.newtech.com/unknown_part_002.jpg
>
> Steve Eberhart
> RV-7A, fuselage ships October 24th
>
>
>
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| From: | Joel Harding <cajole76(at)ispwest.com> |
| Subject: | Re: extra parts left over |
They look like the inboard flap attachment parts to me.
On Sep 26, 2005, at 7:19 AM, Steve Eberhart wrote:
>
> I am finishing up the second wing panel of my RV-7 and have two
> identical parts left over. Can't find them on the plans. Any RV-7 or
> RV-8 builder recognize them from either the empennage or wing parts?
> These parts are .060 aluminum sheet with blue vinyl.
>
> http://www.newtech.com/unknown_part_002.jpg
>
> Steve Eberhart
> RV-7A, fuselage ships October 24th
>
>
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| From: | "Steve Hunt" <stephen.hunt19(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: extra parts left over |
Our Flap attachments are heavier than these pieces
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Harding" <cajole76(at)ispwest.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: extra parts left over
>
> They look like the inboard flap attachment parts to me.
> On Sep 26, 2005, at 7:19 AM, Steve Eberhart wrote:
>
>>
>> I am finishing up the second wing panel of my RV-7 and have two
>> identical parts left over. Can't find them on the plans. Any RV-7 or
>> RV-8 builder recognize them from either the empennage or wing parts?
>> These parts are .060 aluminum sheet with blue vinyl.
>>
>> http://www.newtech.com/unknown_part_002.jpg
>>
>> Steve Eberhart
>> RV-7A, fuselage ships October 24th
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | George Neal E Capt AU/XPRR <Neal.George(at)maxwell.af.mil> |
| Subject: | extra parts left over |
Steve -
I went home for lunch and dug the parts out.
Mine had Van's label stickers, marked F-804L.
Cross-checking "The List", these are Seat Belt Attach Lugs.
Neal
>>
>> http://www.newtech.com/unknown_part_002.jpg
>>
>> Steve Eberhart
>> RV-7A, fuselage ships October 24th
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| From: | Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: extra parts left over |
George Neal E Capt AU/XPRR wrote:
>
> Steve -
>
> I went home for lunch and dug the parts out.
> Mine had Van's label stickers, marked F-804L.
> Cross-checking "The List", these are Seat Belt Attach Lugs.
>
> Neal
I think you have them identified. Thanks for the help. I am finishing
up my wings and I have these pieces left over. Makes sense since they
are for the fuselage. Don't know why they are included in the wing
hardware though.
Thanks again,
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A, finishing wings, fuselage ships Oct. 24th
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| From: | "Dave" <dave(at)coltnet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A GUIDE TO AIRCRAFT PAINTING & CORROSION CONTROL |
Listers,
Just a quick note regarding "A guide to aircraft painting and corrosion
control" I ordered this guide a few months back and was surprised at the
amount of information.
If you want to get educated on the whole primer, painting, paint stripping,
mil-spec thing. This book is worth it.
Just my $.02
Thanks
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garey Wittich" <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RV8-List: A GUIDE TO AIRCRAFT PAINTING & CORROSION CONTROL
>
>> This Information comes from my own research which I
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Vincent Himsl" <vhimsl(at)turbonet.com> |
| Subject: | Urgent Bunny Page Safety Update Request |
Hello,
I am sending this email to you as the email link on the bunny list is not
correct.
In the section on 'spars and ribs', under 'Wings', is a list of items to
purchase with a recommendation from me to buy a cheap $12.00 flaring tool. I
have sent a lot of email to the RV list (including this one) correcting this
statement as it is not only wrong (I tossed the cheap one and bought the
Avery one), but if followed dangerous! Dangerous in that builders might
possibly miss the fact that an automotive 45degree flaring tool is not
correct for the aircraft fuel line fittings. This is pointed out in the
plans too.
I had sent an email a year or so ago requesting this change to the bunny
pages and you (Matt Draille) corrected it immediately. So I was extremely
surprised and distressed to see that somehow the old uncorrected reference
returned.
Please either correct statement #11 to say; "I wound up ordering the
official flaring tool from Avery as the cheap one was neither suitable nor
safe" or remove my name from the bunny list.
As the bunny list now stands, I am recommending that people hook up their
fuel lines with a cheap unsafe (45degree) tool.
Needless to say I am extremely worried about this as over a thousand people
have visited this page.
Please reply when the change has been made.
Thanks!
Vince Himsl
RV8 - Finish
Moscow, ID. USA
Below is taken from Bunny's Guide..
A Bunny with Wings
Part 1: Spars and Rib Preparation
Last Updated: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 17:16:44
Visitors=
_____
Part 2: A Bunny with Wings
The big day dawned; my wing kit arrived. Two big boxes, (14' 4" x 10" x 8",
255lbs and 96" x 31" x 10", 260lbs) each needing two blokes to lift.
<http://www.matronics.com/rv-list/bunnys-guide/rv/photos/2a/01.jpg> Wing kit
arrives
I'd decided beforehand to do the ailerons first, since they're more or less
the same construction technique as the empennage control surfaces. I'll
leave the spars, etc until later; ie until I've got some courage together!
:-) This also delays the day when I need to move my workshop out of my spare
room and into the garage (hopefully until after winter!).
Van's manual for wing building is not as good as for the empennage; I'd say
that Frank Justice's manual is a must-have. Generally, I refer to this
manual as FJ. However, since it was all written for non-prepunched, some
doesn't apply. Even more useful is Will Cretsinger's notes... I refer to
these as WC.
RV-List message posted by: Vince Himsl : Below are some
'extras' that I have bought while working on the wings.
1. Special #30 X 1/2 CounterSink Bit from Avery for the gas tank bolt
attach points on the spar. Check their catalogue first but I think this is
the correct description.
2. The tube type fluorescent light and telescoping mirror for looking
inside the leading edge (often).
3. An offset 470AD4 rivet gun head with one side flattened for the leading
edge ribs to spar attachment. I had an offset and flattened it on one side.
4. A hole saw or knock out punch @ 14mm to make a hole in each rib for the
plastic conduit from Van's. Makes the hole just big enough to allow you to
pull the conduit through and then hold it in place when you let it go.
5. Some sort of jack arrangement to keep centre of spar/rib assembly from
sagging prior to installation of skins. I used the 1/4" bolts and blocks
from the empennage inserted into each end of a wooden dowel (closet size,
@1.5"). cost= $0.00
6. #6 and #8 dimple dies if you don't already have them. I also bought the
#6 and #8 Counter Sink Bits. Used for access plates, gas tanks.
7. A rivet shaver for the 'crappy' gas tank rivet job. Don't ask me how I
know (:>))
8. An inch-lb torque wrench. Used for tie down assembly and aileron
control, empennage, etc.
9. #D, #19, #21(I think) drill bitts. Used on tanks, access plates.
10. I bought some NAS1097(?) 'ooops' rivets from Vans. I used them for
426AD3 spar holes that I had countersunk too deep.
11. A flaring tool for the vent, gas, and pitot line (cheap one will
do...@$12.00 US).
12. Angles, brackets, etc for modifying the empennage jig to hold the wing.
13. rose coloured glasses...self explanatory. (:>))
14. Paint booth/area. Mine is 4 x 6 x 7 feet made with 1x2 framing and
cheap plastic($4.00 from Wal-Mart0.
For the tanks:
A wire brush bit for your cordless drill. (to sc....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Hunt" <stephen.hunt19(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Urgent Bunny Page Safety Update Request |
Thanks Vince,
no worries mate, all sorted this builder,
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent Himsl" <vhimsl(at)turbonet.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Urgent Bunny Page Safety Update Request
>
> Hello,
>
> I am sending this email to you as the email link on the bunny list is not
> correct.
>
>
> In the section on 'spars and ribs', under 'Wings', is a list of items to
> purchase with a recommendation from me to buy a cheap $12.00 flaring tool.
> I
> have sent a lot of email to the RV list (including this one) correcting
> this
> statement as it is not only wrong (I tossed the cheap one and bought the
> Avery one), but if followed dangerous! Dangerous in that builders might
> possibly miss the fact that an automotive 45degree flaring tool is not
> correct for the aircraft fuel line fittings. This is pointed out in the
> plans too.
>
>
> I had sent an email a year or so ago requesting this change to the bunny
> pages and you (Matt Draille) corrected it immediately. So I was extremely
> surprised and distressed to see that somehow the old uncorrected reference
> returned.
>
>
> Please either correct statement #11 to say; "I wound up ordering the
> official flaring tool from Avery as the cheap one was neither suitable nor
> safe" or remove my name from the bunny list.
>
>
> As the bunny list now stands, I am recommending that people hook up their
> fuel lines with a cheap unsafe (45degree) tool.
>
>
> Needless to say I am extremely worried about this as over a thousand
> people
> have visited this page.
>
>
> Please reply when the change has been made.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Vince Himsl
>
> RV8 - Finish
>
> Moscow, ID. USA
>
>
> Below is taken from Bunny's Guide..
>
>
> A Bunny with Wings
>
>
> Part 1: Spars and Rib Preparation
>
>
> Last Updated: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 17:16:44
> Visitors>
> _____
>
>
> Part 2: A Bunny with Wings
>
>
> The big day dawned; my wing kit arrived. Two big boxes, (14' 4" x 10" x
> 8",
> 255lbs and 96" x 31" x 10", 260lbs) each needing two blokes to lift.
> <http://www.matronics.com/rv-list/bunnys-guide/rv/photos/2a/01.jpg> Wing
> kit
> arrives
>
> I'd decided beforehand to do the ailerons first, since they're more or
> less
> the same construction technique as the empennage control surfaces. I'll
> leave the spars, etc until later; ie until I've got some courage together!
> :-) This also delays the day when I need to move my workshop out of my
> spare
> room and into the garage (hopefully until after winter!).
>
> Van's manual for wing building is not as good as for the empennage; I'd
> say
> that Frank Justice's manual is a must-have. Generally, I refer to this
> manual as FJ. However, since it was all written for non-prepunched, some
> doesn't apply. Even more useful is Will Cretsinger's notes... I refer to
> these as WC.
>
> RV-List message posted by: Vince Himsl : Below are
> some
> 'extras' that I have bought while working on the wings.
>
> 1. Special #30 X 1/2 CounterSink Bit from Avery for the gas tank bolt
> attach points on the spar. Check their catalogue first but I think this is
> the correct description.
>
> 2. The tube type fluorescent light and telescoping mirror for looking
> inside the leading edge (often).
>
> 3. An offset 470AD4 rivet gun head with one side flattened for the
> leading
> edge ribs to spar attachment. I had an offset and flattened it on one
> side.
>
> 4. A hole saw or knock out punch @ 14mm to make a hole in each rib for
> the
> plastic conduit from Van's. Makes the hole just big enough to allow you to
> pull the conduit through and then hold it in place when you let it go.
>
> 5. Some sort of jack arrangement to keep centre of spar/rib assembly from
> sagging prior to installation of skins. I used the 1/4" bolts and blocks
> from the empennage inserted into each end of a wooden dowel (closet size,
> @1.5"). cost= $0.00
>
> 6. #6 and #8 dimple dies if you don't already have them. I also bought
> the
> #6 and #8 Counter Sink Bits. Used for access plates, gas tanks.
>
> 7. A rivet shaver for the 'crappy' gas tank rivet job. Don't ask me how
> I
> know (:>))
>
> 8. An inch-lb torque wrench. Used for tie down assembly and aileron
> control, empennage, etc.
>
> 9. #D, #19, #21(I think) drill bitts. Used on tanks, access plates.
>
> 10. I bought some NAS1097(?) 'ooops' rivets from Vans. I used them for
> 426AD3 spar holes that I had countersunk too deep.
>
> 11. A flaring tool for the vent, gas, and pitot line (cheap one will
> do...@$12.00 US).
>
> 12. Angles, brackets, etc for modifying the empennage jig to hold the
> wing.
>
>
> 13. rose coloured glasses...self explanatory. (:>))
>
> 14. Paint booth/area. Mine is 4 x 6 x 7 feet made with 1x2 framing and
> cheap plastic($4.00 from Wal-Mart0.
>
> For the tanks:
> A wire brush bit for your cordless drill. (to sc....
>
>
>
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| From: | Bud Newhall <RV-6(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Builder assistance available |
Greetings,
You want an RV but don't have the time to build it.
I can help.
I am a machinist by trade. I completed an RV-6 in 2200 hrs. (no
prepunced holes) and assisted on 2 others.
I am available to work on a project full time.
I am located in Lodi, CA.
Bud Newhall
RV-6(at)comcast.net
209-334-2911
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LessDragProd(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | MT Propeller 183-50 blade exchange offer |
Hi All,
MT Propeller and Less Drag Products, Inc. is offering a blade exchange
program for the Lycoming 360 3 blade MT Propeller.
If you have the MTV-12, or MTV-18, 3 blade MT Propeller on your Lycoming 360
engine, you can exchange your present 183-59 blades for the new 183-59b
blades.
You might be interested in this offer if you would like to remove the mid
range RPM restriction on your Lycoming 360 engine, and increase your cruise
speed by about 5 mph.
MT Propeller is offering to exchange your present three 183-59 blades with a
new set of 183-59b blades for about the same price as a single 183-59b blade.
(The list price for a single replacement 183-59b blade is $2,430.)
Less Drag Products, Inc. will coordinate the actual blade set replacement
for your propeller, based on your location and replacement blade set
availability.
Please contact Less Drag Products, Inc. directly at _jim(at)lessdrag.com_
(mailto:jim(at)lessdrag.com) to obtain a schedule and cost estimate.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
(805) 499-8646 FAX
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com> |
INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0007 1.0000 -4.4816
I would like to hear from those of you who have actually sold an RV as
to the resale value, headaches, etc.
I am seriously looking at an RV-8. I am budgeting $75K for the project
(new engine). I would like to think that I can get out after a few
years of flying for close to my investment, less engine reserves, with
zero for my time.
My questions:
- How hard is it to sell an RV or other experimental vs. a
production aircraft?
- How long does it typically take to sell
- How well do the values hold up, neglecting the time investment?
- How hard is it to sell a tail dragger vs. a tricycle gear
configuration?
- Should there be any concern over ongoing liability after a
sale? If so, would parting out the airplane make more sense?
Thanks
Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Cross <bcross2160(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Building Sequence |
Hi Folks
I am getting close to finishing my basic fuselage & have to start
thinking about what is next.
According to the manual, it shows the following order
Section 8 Fuselage
Section 9 Canopy
Section 10 Landing Gear, Engine Mount, Brakes, Fairings
Section 11 Engine Installation
Section 12 Cowling & Spinner
I have not done the baggage door as someone told me this should wait
till last. I have mounted the gear legs.
I don't see immediate reference to wiring & panel work but presumably
this would wait until the last step due to the cost of instruments &
more importantly, the fact that this area is changing much more
quickly than any other.
This has probably been talked about in the past & I apologize if I am
going over old ground. I need to start ordering the correct items
e.g. Finishing kit, engine & instruments & would really appreciate
comments & on the recommended order of building.
Many thanks!
Brian Cross
#81844
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tony Johnson" <tonyjohnson(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Building Sequence |
Brian,
I am in about the same place as you. I have not put my 8A on the gear yet,
because I have heard that it is more difficult to access the interior for
plumbing and wiring, etc.
With regard to the canopy. I don't know how you can put the canopy on until
the forward top skin is riveted in place. The top skin is the last thing to
put on other than the baggage door, because you need access to the panel
through the top. Maybe I am missing something about the timing of the
canopy.
I am just now ready to paint the interior, which must be done before wiring
and plumbing.
I will look forward to the posts of others who have traveled this road and
have observations and advice.
Tony Johnson
RV8A Orlando
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Cross
Subject: RV8-List: Building Sequence
Hi Folks
I am getting close to finishing my basic fuselage & have to start
thinking about what is next.
According to the manual, it shows the following order
Section 8 Fuselage
Section 9 Canopy
Section 10 Landing Gear, Engine Mount, Brakes, Fairings
Section 11 Engine Installation
Section 12 Cowling & Spinner
I have not done the baggage door as someone told me this should wait
till last. I have mounted the gear legs.
I don't see immediate reference to wiring & panel work but presumably
this would wait until the last step due to the cost of instruments &
more importantly, the fact that this area is changing much more
quickly than any other.
This has probably been talked about in the past & I apologize if I am
going over old ground. I need to start ordering the correct items
e.g. Finishing kit, engine & instruments & would really appreciate
comments & on the recommended order of building.
Many thanks!
Brian Cross
#81844
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| From: | "Chuck" <chuck456(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Building Sequence |
Hello Brian,
We are only slightly ahead of where you are, but I will provide a sequence
that we have followed and our plan for the remainder.
1. Empenage & Wings
2. Basic Fuselage. We left both the rear and forward skins off for ease of
electrical and other plumbing items.
3. Interior paint. This was a good place to learn about painting and paint
booth construction. The areas that show we had to sand and paint twice. It
now looks ok.
4. We split the panels under the seats in the cabin area to allow for easier
access to the area under for installation of trim, auto pilot and strobe
control boxes. We installed about 6" of the panel across the back of the
cabin so that the flap control bar and motor could be installed but left the
remainder of the floor section open for now.
5. We are building an 8. If yours is an 8A your mileage will vary for the
next couple of steps. We left the gear box open and will probably leave it
open until it is time to rivit the top skin. We have still not decided if we
will modify the box to allow for removal of the cover and easier access
later. If you leave it open it definitely makes the fuel system and anything
else that needs to go through the gearbox much easier.
6. Landing gear. We only installed the gear at this point. We have not
installed the axles and wheels. We routed out a small 2x4 block to hold the
gear off the garage floor so that it doesn't get damaged. This keeps the
fuselage as low as possible for access to the interior. Although we can
reach in for short simple tasks we have found we need short step stools on
each side of the fuselage to work comfortably. We slide and kick them around
as needed.
7. We hung the engine at this point. We have an auto conversion engine and
thought there would be a bit more electrical work involved than with a
lycoming so we wanted the engine there to connect to and stare at. Besides
it just looks cooler with the engine hanging and setting in the cockpit
making engine noises seems more real with the engine out front.
8. Brakes to the firewall resevoir. We will finish the brakes when we put it
on wheels.
9. We are currently in the middle of the electrical installation. Pulling
wires and connecting all the switches and fuse panels. Some days it seems it
will take forever, but we have a pretty good plan and can see the end in
site. A trick that we have found worked well in this phase was to use 1/8"
plywood, in place of the real metal, anywhere you are installing switches
and instruments. We have often planned on installing something in one place
and found it had to be moved for a reason that was not apparent when we cut
the hole the first time. It is easy and cheap to change and move things
around when it is just plywood. Once we have the installation complete with
everything where we want it, we will remove everything from the plywood and
have the metal cut and install it.
10. Next is the forward skin, baggage door and rear top skin. Our plan is to
only cleco the forward skin while doing the baggage door. We are still
waiting for some of the engine components and would like to have first start
on the engine before the forward skin is rivited.
11. Once the engine is complete we will rivet the top forward skin.
12. Canopy and cowl.
13. Hanger and final assembly.
When we started we thought we would finish in about 2 1/2 years. It will be
3 years next February. We didn't know what we didn't know which was a lot.
About next April or May now looks like a reasonable goal.
Have fun, if you have any questions about my ramblings please feel free to
ask.
Chuck Chappell
Chuck456 at pacbell.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Cross
Subject: RV8-List: Building Sequence
Hi Folks
I am getting close to finishing my basic fuselage & have to start
thinking about what is next.
According to the manual, it shows the following order
Section 8 Fuselage
Section 9 Canopy
Section 10 Landing Gear, Engine Mount, Brakes, Fairings
Section 11 Engine Installation
Section 12 Cowling & Spinner
I have not done the baggage door as someone told me this should wait
till last. I have mounted the gear legs.
I don't see immediate reference to wiring & panel work but presumably
this would wait until the last step due to the cost of instruments &
more importantly, the fact that this area is changing much more
quickly than any other.
This has probably been talked about in the past & I apologize if I am
going over old ground. I need to start ordering the correct items
e.g. Finishing kit, engine & instruments & would really appreciate
comments & on the recommended order of building.
Many thanks!
Brian Cross
#81844
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| From: | "Vincent Himsl" <vhimsl(at)turbonet.com> |
| Subject: | Closing the gap between the Cowl and Fuselage |
Hello,
I am mounting the cowl and have successfully repaired the sides which I cut
incorrectly. Now I need to deal with the gap between the cowl and the
fuselage which I also cut incorrectly.
I have filled the gap between the fuselage (firewall) and the cowl halves
with putty. Next I plan to lay up fiber glass so the finished cowl overlaps
the fuselage approximately 1/8 to 1/4 inch. I then plan to lay up fiberglass
so the top half of the cowl overlaps the bottom by the same distance.
Questions:
Have any of you seen or done this?
Any perceived aerodynamic problems? Aesthetics?
Thanks,
Vince
RV8 VSB Finish
Moscow, ID USA
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| From: | "JOHN COLLIER" <johncollier5110(at)msn.com> |
1.67 SARE_ADLTSUB2 Contains possible adult words
Gentlemen,
mounted the left flap today...it is very tight with the top skin. The
alignment with the aileron is very good. The spar is correctly installed
in the flap Searched the archives, but every hit was "pre-prepunch"
construction related. Any advice is appreciated.
blue skies
john
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| From: | WSchwoeble(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/19/05 |
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| From: | "Alan Searle" <searle(at)mansfield.net.au> |
G'day All,
Does anybody know of, or have drawings for RV8 seating ? I have the
Temperfoam material but no dimensions or shape.
Any advise would be appreciated.
Thanks .......... Alan Searle.
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| From: | "Greg@itmack" <greg(at)itmack.com> |
| Subject: | adjustable rudder peddles |
G'day all, I'm installing adjustable rudder peddles and don't seem to have the
instructions and drawings to install the adjustment mechanism. Has anyone got
a copy or a reference to where to find them.
Thanks
Greg 82070
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| From: | <groves(at)epix.net> |
| Subject: | Re: adjustable rudder peddles |
Hi Greg,
The detail is on DWG 46 in your finish kit.
All the Best
Kirk
>
> From: "Greg@itmack" <greg(at)itmack.com>
> Date: 2005/10/25 Tue AM 04:42:09 EDT
> To:
> Subject: RV8-List: adjustable rudder peddles
>
>
> G'day all, I'm installing adjustable rudder peddles and don't seem to have the
instructions and drawings to install the adjustment mechanism. Has anyone got
a copy or a reference to where to find them.
>
> Thanks
> Greg 82070
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Jamesmdsherry(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: adjustable rudder peddles |
Hi Greg, You will find that information on the drawings in the finishing kit
drawings. I think it is about DWG $%. I did mine last winter and decided to
complete all at once and it took me a while to break Vans' code. Jim
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| From: | LClark6372(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/24/05 |
looking for rv8 tailwheel project nearing completion. lclark6372(at)aol.com
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| From: | Craig <craigtxtx(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Instrument access |
I've seen several different ways to improve access to the rear of the instrument
panel on RV8's. The option that makes the most sense to me is to cut access
holes in the F-866BPP bulkhead in order to access the backside of the instruments
throught the forward baggage compartment. I was hoping to make cut outs
on each side of the bulkhead leaving a strip in the center. I was planning on
holding the panel covers on with nut plates or perhaps using a hinge connection
along the bottom with nutplates along the sides and top.. Does this require
adding any reinforcement to the F-866BPP bulkhead? Has anyone who has done
this had a problem with deformation of the bulkhead and/or top front skin?
Thanks,
Craig Gallenbach
RV8AQB Fuselage
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| From: | "Bruce Niles" <bniles(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Instrument access |
Hi Craig,
I have two doors on that bulkhead. One on the lower and one on top.
Although they are primarily for fuse buss access, they will also provide
easier access to other "stuff". I cut the holes smaller than needed and
45'd the corners. I then carefully bent these 5/8" tabs to 90 degrees.
This reinforced the whole area. I suppose I could e-mail you some pics
directly if it would help. Good luck BCN (RV8)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig" <craigtxtx(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Instrument access
>
> I've seen several different ways to improve access to the rear of the
> instrument panel on RV8's. The option that makes the most sense to me is
> to cut access holes in the F-866BPP bulkhead in order to access the
> backside of the instruments throught the forward baggage compartment. I
> was hoping to make cut outs on each side of the bulkhead leaving a strip
> in the center. I was planning on holding the panel covers on with nut
> plates or perhaps using a hinge connection along the bottom with nutplates
> along the sides and top.. Does this require adding any reinforcement to
> the F-866BPP bulkhead? Has anyone who has done this had a problem with
> deformation of the bulkhead and/or top front skin?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Craig Gallenbach
> RV8AQB Fuselage
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument access |
I have never understood why people dont just make the cable bundles longer
so there is a service loop. I did this and it works great remove the panel
screws and then just set the panel in you lap, sure easier than cutting
things up. I also used plastic mill spec type connectors, this way undo
about 3 connectors and the panel comes out of the plane. It is very easy
and simple with a little planning.
>
>I've seen several different ways to improve access to the rear of the
>instrument panel on RV8's. The option that makes the most sense to me is
>to cut access holes in the F-866BPP bulkhead in order to access the
>backside of the instruments throught the forward baggage compartment. I
>was hoping to make cut outs on each side of the bulkhead leaving a strip
>in the center. I was planning on holding the panel covers on with nut
>plates or perhaps using a hinge connection along the bottom with nutplates
>along the sides and top.. Does this require adding any reinforcement to
>the F-866BPP bulkhead? Has anyone who has done this had a problem with
>deformation of the bulkhead and/or top front skin?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Craig Gallenbach
>RV8AQB Fuselage
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| From: | "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Instrument access |
Hi Craig-
snip
make cut outs
on each side of the bulkhead leaving a strip in the center. I was planning
on
holding the panel covers on with nut plates
I'm aware of several -8's that have that sort of arrangement, and it's
always been a point of curiosity to me. The implication as I see it is
that it's preferable to go through the contortions required to first remove
the access hatch and then reach through to the item of interest, which one
may or may not be able to see. rather than sit down in the front seat,
remove a dozen screws right in front of you, and lay the panel in your lap
to work on it / behind it. I've also seen folks cut hatches in the
exterior skin of the plane to access the behind-panel area. This also
works, of course, but the implications of a water leak in that area really
concerns me. I guess I just don't see the overall advantage to the access
hatch vs panel as designed. And, perhaps I'm being naive here, but I don't
see me spending much time behind the panel once the plane is flying.
FWIW-
Glen Matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | James Freeman <flyeyes(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Instrument access |
Glen Matejcek wrote:
>
>Hi Craig-
>
>snip
>
> make cut outs
>on each side of the bulkhead leaving a strip in the center. I was planning
>on
>holding the panel covers on with nut plates
>
>
>
>
Craig--
I did this and it's one of the better mods I made. I have been behind
the panel more times than I can count since I got the airplane flying,
although it's betting less frequent now at about 80 hours.
I don't think it's helpful to cut both sides out, because you'll be
reaching in through the baggage door anyway, so just the right side is
necessary. I used a hinge and nutplates as you are planning and would
do it again.
James Freeman
RV8 N9TN
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| From: | "Tom Scherder" <tomscherder(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Instrument access |
Do it. Cut a couple of license plate size holes in the bulkhead and use
nutplates to secure them. I used some of the extra hinge stock on the bottom
so all I had to do was secure the top and sides. You won't believe how much
you will be behind the panel to kill off the gremlins later.
Tom Scherder
RV 8 38NE flying 100 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig" <craigtxtx(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Instrument access
>
> I've seen several different ways to improve access to the rear of the
instrument panel on RV8's. The option that makes the most sense to me is to
cut access holes in the F-866BPP bulkhead in order to access the backside of
the instruments throught the forward baggage compartment. I was hoping to
make cut outs on each side of the bulkhead leaving a strip in the center. I
was planning on holding the panel covers on with nut plates or perhaps using
a hinge connection along the bottom with nutplates along the sides and top..
Does this require adding any reinforcement to the F-866BPP bulkhead? Has
anyone who has done this had a problem with deformation of the bulkhead
and/or top front skin?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Craig Gallenbach
> RV8AQB Fuselage
>
>
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| From: | LClark6372(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/28/05 |
loking for a rv8 near or into final assembly. lclark6372(at)aol.com
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| From: | "b.e.isham" <b.e.isham(at)cox.net> |
For those who may have missed the September special, PlaneTools.com now has
the DRDT-2 Dimpler as a FREE upgrade on the RV tool kit. This is a great
tool that reflects the quality of the RV tool kit. In addition to the sheet
metal tool kit, mechanic tools are being added. The website address is
HYPERLINK "http://www.planetools.com"http://www.planetools.com
<http://www.planetools.com> Shane Isham
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| From: | LClark6372(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/31/05 |
looking for a nearly complete rv8(tw) project.no eng,no elect
jim clark
lclark6372(at)aol.com
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| From: | "Ronald Grover" <rv8grover(at)bwdmail.net> |
| Subject: | Lasar Ignition Horror Story |
Listers:
If you own or are considering the Lasar Ignition System for your airplane,
read this and beware. Lasar Ignition came on my new Lycoming Engine from the
factory. A screw on the distributor cap backed out of my left magneto and it
took 364 hours of working back and forth to destroy the magneto. Unisons
service manual doesn't even have you look at the points until 500 hours.
After sending him pictures of the Magneto, the Service Representative at
Unison said that it was beyond the warranty period and couldn't possibility
be a manufacturing defect and they wouldn't pay for anything.
This all started with a 300+ mag drop on the Left Magneto. While looking for
the cause of the Mag drop, I removed the ignition lead caps and found the
left magneto distributor cap moving up and down. Danny King and I took the
magneto apart and found that one of the screws on the distributor had backed
out and had been working in the hole in the case. There was plastic, carbon,
and aluminum dust all over in the magneto.
Lessons learned:
Unison doesn't stand behind their top of the line Ignition System.
None of their dealers stock the 4771 magneto meaning minimum of 3 weeks to
get one.
The only way you can get one sooner is say A.O.G. and the distributor can
have it drop shipped from the factory overnight for another $45.
Aircraft Spruce had the lowest price of $601 plus $150 core charge.
I have bought my last Unison Product. If anything else goes wrong with the
Lasar system, I will remove it from the airplane and install P-Mags. A P-Mag
system is less than half the cost of the Lasar system and being a new
company, I'll bet you they would be very interested in a premature failure
of one of their components.
Ron Grover
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| From: | Jamesmdsherry(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: "What's my Contribution used for?" [PLEASE READ!] |
Hi Matronics, I just tried to use the highlighted email sections of Paypal
and VISA/MC and I got the "This page cannot be displayed." Can you help me
help you? Jim Sherry
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: "What's my Contribution used for?" [PLEASE |
READ!]
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I had the Matronics webserver down for a time today for a
backup. The links should all be working correctly now. Please give
them a try again.
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Thank you for the Contribution!
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Matronics
At 07:46 PM 11/9/2005 Wednesday, you wrote:
>
>Hi Matronics, I just tried to use the highlighted email sections of Paypal
>and VISA/MC and I got the "This page cannot be displayed." Can you help me
>help you? Jim Sherry
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| From: | "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 kit for sale |
Quick build fuselage on gear with floors clecoed in, seats done ect. and
much fuselage work completed. Wings, flaps, ailerons done. Empennage done.
Finishing kit on hand and a little finishing work completed. Engine mount is
for an O-360 180 hp. The aircraft is in northern Vermont. Contact me off
list for details. This is my second RV. My RV-6A slow build was completed in
2001.
Stephen Soule
ssoule(at)pfclaw.com
RV-8 kit for sale
Quick build fuselage on gear with floors clecoed in, seats done ect. and much fuselage
work completed. Wings, flaps, ailerons done. Empennage done. Finishing
kit on hand and a little finishing work completed. Engine mount is for an O-360
180 hp. The aircraft is in northern Vermont. Contact me off list for details.
This is my second RV. My RV-6A slow build was completed in 2001.
Stephen Soule
ssoule(at)pfclaw.com
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| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 kit for sale |
I am interested in looking at it. Why are you selling?
What would you like to get for it?
Al Grajek
>From: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 kit for sale
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:33:35 -0500
>
>
>Quick build fuselage on gear with floors clecoed in, seats done ect. and
>much fuselage work completed. Wings, flaps, ailerons done. Empennage done.
>Finishing kit on hand and a little finishing work completed. Engine mount
>is
>for an O-360 180 hp. The aircraft is in northern Vermont. Contact me off
>list for details. This is my second RV. My RV-6A slow build was completed
>in
>2001.
>
>Stephen Soule
>ssoule(at)pfclaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>RV-8 kit for sale
>
>
>Quick build fuselage on gear with floors clecoed in, seats done ect. and
>much fuselage work completed. Wings, flaps, ailerons done. Empennage done.
>Finishing kit on hand and a little finishing work completed. Engine mount
>is for an O-360 180 hp. The aircraft is in northern Vermont. Contact me off
>list for details. This is my second RV. My RV-6A slow build was completed
>in 2001.
>
>
>Stephen Soule
>
>ssoule(at)pfclaw.com
>
>
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| From: | "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 kit for sale |
Hi Al,
I am a bit under the gun (day job, you know) but will get back to you later.
Steve in Vermont
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Grajek
Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 kit for sale
I am interested in looking at it. Why are you selling?
What would you like to get for it?
Al Grajek
>From: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 kit for sale
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:33:35 -0500
>
>
>Quick build fuselage on gear with floors clecoed in, seats done ect.
>and much fuselage work completed. Wings, flaps, ailerons done.
>Empennage done. Finishing kit on hand and a little finishing work
>completed. Engine mount is for an O-360 180 hp. The aircraft is in
>northern Vermont. Contact me off list for details. This is my second
>RV. My RV-6A slow build was completed in
>2001.
>
>Stephen Soule
>ssoule(at)pfclaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>RV-8 kit for sale
>
>
>Quick build fuselage on gear with floors clecoed in, seats done ect.
>and
>much fuselage work completed. Wings, flaps, ailerons done. Empennage done.
>Finishing kit on hand and a little finishing work completed. Engine mount
>is for an O-360 180 hp. The aircraft is in northern Vermont. Contact me off
>list for details. This is my second RV. My RV-6A slow build was completed
>in 2001.
>
>
>Stephen Soule
>
>ssoule(at)pfclaw.com
>
>
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| From: | "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com> |
| Subject: | RV-8 kit for sale |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Grajek
Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 kit for sale
I am interested in looking at it. Why are you selling?
What would you like to get for it?
Al Grajek
>From: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 kit for sale
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:33:35 -0500
>
>
>Quick build fuselage on gear with floors clecoed in, seats done ect.
>and much fuselage work completed. Wings, flaps, ailerons done.
>Empennage done. Finishing kit on hand and a little finishing work
>completed. Engine mount is for an O-360 180 hp. The aircraft is in
>northern Vermont. Contact me off list for details. This is my second
>RV. My RV-6A slow build was completed in
>2001.
>
>Stephen Soule
>ssoule(at)pfclaw.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>RV-8 kit for sale
>
>
>Quick build fuselage on gear with floors clecoed in, seats done ect.
>and
>much fuselage work completed. Wings, flaps, ailerons done. Empennage done.
>Finishing kit on hand and a little finishing work completed. Engine mount
>is for an O-360 180 hp. The aircraft is in northern Vermont. Contact me off
>list for details. This is my second RV. My RV-6A slow build was completed
>in 2001.
>
>
>Stephen Soule
>
>ssoule(at)pfclaw.com
>
>
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| From: | Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch> |
| Subject: | Baggage door questions |
Hi,
Looking at the baggage door again. I'm considering
the "hidden hinge" method I've seen a few builders use.
Anyone have any hints or tips? My concern about the
normal piano hinge is that it looks like it will
leak. Also, how do you get the hinge pin in and
out of there?
What kind of lock are people using on the baggage door?
Thanks,
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| From: | "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Baggage door questions |
Hello Mick. I don't know about the hidden hinge method. I went with the
plans. The one I've seen was put on a door that was re-done in fiberglass.
I read about one fellow who tried but failed, see:
http://home.comcast.net/~jwdweb2/Finish7/finish7.html There's still some
good info in there, I thought.
I just went through the firewall into the hinge with the pin. Works ok. The
lock I used comes in the mag switch / lock set that Van's sell's. see:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1132157558-122-714&browse=electrical&product=mag-switch
I was on your web site last night, what com antenna are you using? Is there
separation criteria for the com and transponder antenna? Also, what the
third party gizmo you mention with your Ipod hook up. Thanks, Best of luck.
Jim Bowen
RV-8 QB
>From: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: Baggage door questions
>Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:45:12 +0100
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Looking at the baggage door again. I'm considering
>the "hidden hinge" method I've seen a few builders use.
>
>Anyone have any hints or tips? My concern about the
>normal piano hinge is that it looks like it will
>leak. Also, how do you get the hinge pin in and
>out of there?
>
>What kind of lock are people using on the baggage door?
>
>Thanks,
>Mickey
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 finishing
>
>
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| From: | Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Baggage door questions |
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the hints on the baggage door. I'll
check it out.
> I just went through the firewall into the hinge with the pin. Works ok. The
> lock I used comes in the mag switch / lock set that Van's sell's. see:
I had seen that, but it's about 80 bucks, and I don't need
a mag switch. Hopefully I can come up with something a
bit cheaper!
> I was on your web site last night, what com antenna are you using? Is there
> separation criteria for the com and transponder antenna? Also, what the
> third party gizmo you mention with your Ipod hook up. Thanks, Best of luck.
I think the antenna is a COMANT CI-122 from Steinair or Van's, but I'll
have to check. It's either that or a "clone". Bob Nuckolls says
there's no problem having the comm antenna and the transponder
antenna close together, so I have mine about 2 feet apart.
About the ipod, I don't have it hooked up in the aircraft, just in
the workshop. It's just a simple CompUSA/Fry's/Best Buy type ipod
mini AC adapter. I think it was about 1/2 the price of the Apple
one, and I've recently seen them even cheaper. There are only
two wires going to the big ipod connector, and I'll bet if I
cut them and apply 12v it will work.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| From: | "BRUCE GRAY" <brucerv84us(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Baggage door questions |
Hi Mickey,
You might also check out John Huft's sight in Van's Web links. Some ideas
for you there as well.
Bruce Gray
RV8 Fuse
Gearboxes
>From: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Baggage door questions
>Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:10:35 +0100
>
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>Thanks for the hints on the baggage door. I'll
>check it out.
>
> > I just went through the firewall into the hinge with the pin. Works ok.
>The
> > lock I used comes in the mag switch / lock set that Van's sell's. see:
>
>I had seen that, but it's about 80 bucks, and I don't need
>a mag switch. Hopefully I can come up with something a
>bit cheaper!
>
> > I was on your web site last night, what com antenna are you using? Is
>there
> > separation criteria for the com and transponder antenna? Also, what the
> > third party gizmo you mention with your Ipod hook up. Thanks, Best of
>luck.
>
>I think the antenna is a COMANT CI-122 from Steinair or Van's, but I'll
>have to check. It's either that or a "clone". Bob Nuckolls says
>there's no problem having the comm antenna and the transponder
>antenna close together, so I have mine about 2 feet apart.
>
>About the ipod, I don't have it hooked up in the aircraft, just in
>the workshop. It's just a simple CompUSA/Fry's/Best Buy type ipod
>mini AC adapter. I think it was about 1/2 the price of the Apple
>one, and I've recently seen them even cheaper. There are only
>two wires going to the big ipod connector, and I'll bet if I
>cut them and apply 12v it will work.
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 finishing
>
>
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| From: | "Stan Bearup" <bearup(at)ida.net> |
| Subject: | MT 3-blade constant-speed propeller for sale |
I have a new three blade electric constant-speed MT propeller for sale. Included
are the kevlar spinner assy., electronic controller, circuit breaker, and assembly
. The propeller model number is MTV-18-B/183-17. It was purchased new in
2002 and never used on our GlaStar project. We have decided to install an NSI
Subaru package which includes a CAP 200 propeller, so we have decided to sell
this very nice propeller. It is new and still in its original box. It fits
on an SAE #2 flange with 1/2 bolts (Lyc O-360, some O-320, and most Subaru propeller
reduction drive set-ups).
$7,000.
Stan Bearup
bearup(at)ida.net
(208) 220-0837
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| From: | "Paul Rice" <rice737(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | F804NPP side covers |
Hello Listers,
I'm fitting my left and right consoles and it says to put F804NPP in place
to set the console in the right place. No problem. But, the flange on
F804NPP is about a 1/4 inch wider than the distance between the F804C's. Is
there anything you can do to change the width of 804NPP or do I need to make
spacers to fill the gaps.
Thanks,
Paul
RV8QB Fuselage
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| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0406 1.0000 -3.9094
In cleaning out the hangar for my new project, I have some parts for sale:
Vans EGT guage, new in box, $30(new from Vans, $44)
Electric Turn coordinator,lighted, like brand new, yellow tag $200
VAL Avionics INS422, Integrated Nav system- LOC/GS, LOC,VOR plus 3 light
marker.
see at valavionics.com. $1400 includes all antennas.
Al Grajek
algrajek(at)msn.com
859-361-9460
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| From: | "Felipe Bo" <lipebo(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Landing Gear |
I have RV8QB kit. I m ready to start working on the landing gear, the
plans call to level the fusulege using the foward part of it, but the kit
comes with the skin fit in its place already. Am i missing something????
Thanks....
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| From: | "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule(at)pfclaw.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Landing Gear |
If I recall correctly, you have the fuselage upside down, then you crawl
underneath and put your level on the floor between the gear towers.
Stephen Soule
Vermont
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Felipe Bo
Subject: RV8-List: RE: Landing Gear
I have RV8QB kit. I m ready to start working on the landing gear, the
plans call to level the fusulege using the foward part of it, but the kit
comes with the skin fit in its place already. Am i missing something????
Thanks....
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| From: | "Paul Rice" <rice737(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Elevator up angle |
Hello Listers,
I attached my elevators to the H/S today. When trying to set the maximum up
angle I could only get it to about 25 degrees up before the elevator horns
hit the rear most bulked. Is it possible that I have to trim the horns to
achieve a 30 up angle?
Paul
RV8QB Fuselage
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| Subject: | Heated pitot recommendations |
| From: | "Jeff Preou" <jeff(at)preou.com> |
Hi Guys,
Anyone here have any recommendations on a heated pitot for an RV-8A?
I'm expecting the wing kit to arrive maybe towards the end of January
and I'm just thinking about 'other things' that I might want to organize
while I'm building the wings. I already have an AoA Pro wing
installation kit on the shelf and ready. If you have any other ideas or
advice, I'm all ears!
Cheers,
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heated pitot recommendations |
Consider Gretz Aero. His unit is a black molded material, has a circuit
board that controls the temp of the unit so that it isn't always on, has 3
LEDs that tell temp status in the cockpit (if desired), and it fits his
bracket. The unit is around $400 complete(hardware and wire to C/B). Mine
is not yet up and running but I don't forsee any problems with it.
Jim Stone
HRII
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Preou" <jeff(at)preou.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Heated pitot recommendations
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Anyone here have any recommendations on a heated pitot for an RV-8A?
>
> I'm expecting the wing kit to arrive maybe towards the end of January
> and I'm just thinking about 'other things' that I might want to organize
> while I'm building the wings. I already have an AoA Pro wing
> installation kit on the shelf and ready. If you have any other ideas or
> advice, I'm all ears!
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Jeff Preou
> Hamilton, New Zealand
>
>
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| From: | DONKEYVET(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Heated pitot recommendations |
Jeff,
There's a question you'll get equal opinions on either side. I've been round
and round on it. Some say you have no business going into instrument
conditions wothout one but then others say you have no business going in without
de-ice
boots and two engines. If you don't plan IFR and you have an AOA it seems
like it may not be necessary being that they cost about a grand (why I don't
know) new and not much less used. I'm putting an old 28 volt one on mine even
though it has a 12 volt system. I tried it with 12 volts and it still gets pretty
warm. They seem to go for cheaper prices on the used market. Like everything
else I've got dogmatic answers on either side of that question so I guess
you'll have to think about what you plan to do with your plane but it's never
wrong to opt for less weight, money and complexity.
Dennis Flosi, N963DF finishing
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| From: | "Tony Johnson" <tonyjohnson(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Heated pitot recommendations |
Jeff,
You may want to consider the new heated pitot tube from Gretz. Aircraft
spruces sells them. They are made from a none metallic material. They turn
themselves on and heat up when the temp drops to the point where they are
needed. They are the latest technology and cheaper than most of the others
that you will see.
I have ordered one for my 8A. Good luck with your project.
Tony Johnson
RV8A Orlando
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Preou
Subject: RV8-List: Heated pitot recommendations
Hi Guys,
Anyone here have any recommendations on a heated pitot for an RV-8A?
I'm expecting the wing kit to arrive maybe towards the end of January
and I'm just thinking about 'other things' that I might want to organize
while I'm building the wings. I already have an AoA Pro wing
installation kit on the shelf and ready. If you have any other ideas or
advice, I'm all ears!
Cheers,
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
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| From: | Joel Harding <cajole76(at)ispwest.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heated pitot recommendations |
Jeff,
It depends mostly on your regional weather, and your intended use of
the airplane. I assume you have a lot of exposure to the marine
layer, and if you plan on doing some IFR flying I would highly
recommend it.
Joel Harding
On Dec 3, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Jeff Preou wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Anyone here have any recommendations on a heated pitot for an RV-8A?
>
> I'm expecting the wing kit to arrive maybe towards the end of January
> and I'm just thinking about 'other things' that I might want to
> organize
> while I'm building the wings. I already have an AoA Pro wing
> installation kit on the shelf and ready. If you have any other
> ideas or
> advice, I'm all ears!
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Jeff Preou
> Hamilton, New Zealand
>
>
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| From: | "weride" <weride(at)surewest.net> |
Hi Connie;
Sorry but I erased it . Try to click on the attachment under subject more than
once. when it comes up in the separate window click on it again. When my cousin
sends me things I have to open messages more than once to find the message
sometimes.
Not much new here. I am still working but I don't mind it all being I am building
the airplane. Tell Dave I now have a new appreciation for metal work , now
I know why I was an electrician rather than a tin knocker.
What are you guys going to do for the Hollidays? Are you coming to this area?
If so let us know so we can hook up. We don't have anything but camping with
the group until March when we go to the race in Vegas and even then we will only
go for a week. We had planned to go to New Orelens after the race but after
the flood we decided to save vacation time and go on a long trip the next year.
I really want to concentrate on building my airplane anyway so I don't mind.
Besides if we get too bugged we both have jobs where we can take off in a hart
beat if we want to.
Well I had best get back to the "Domestic Hanger " (airplanes aren't built in
garages.) Hope you are bout happy and well. We love Ya;
Tom
PS; I attached a picture of the plane One of what it looks like now and one of
what it will look like completed (I hope)
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| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0063 1.0000 -4.3997
NO!NO!NO
It is a big scam. Trust me. Look at the feedback. All from sellers, not
buyers. These guys are in Romania. Even the guy they give for reference
doesNOT work for Ebay. I checked it out. When I first looked there wer 8 or
10 of these. After Ebay investigated, there was one. Also notice, the email
address chandes a lot. AND there is NO way to get the money back. Thats why
they use Western Union. Like they say, "if its too good to be true......."
Al Grajek
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| From: | Dan <dan(at)rdan.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: Just orderd RV-8 |
I just ordered an RV-8 QB
I'm SO EXCITED !!!/!/!
Dan
cleaning out the garage now .,.,.,.,.,.,
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:25:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan <dan(at)rdan.com>
Subject: Just orderd RV-8
!!!!!I just ordered my RV-8 QB !!!
My first kit I'm SO EXCITED
Dan,
Cleaning out the Garage !~ to make room !@@!
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| Subject: | Fwd: Just orderd RV-8 |
| From: | "Jeff Preou" <jeff(at)preou.com> |
Welcome Dan! Cool feeling huh? We got started on our RV-8A [slow build]
empennage a couple of months ago and we've just recently ordered the
wing kit. Get ready to learn a whole lot :-)
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Subject: RV8-List: Fwd: Just orderd RV-8
I just ordered an RV-8 QB
I'm SO EXCITED !!!/!/!
Dan
cleaning out the garage now .,.,.,.,.,.,
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:25:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan <dan(at)rdan.com>
Subject: Just orderd RV-8
!!!!!I just ordered my RV-8 QB !!!
My first kit I'm SO EXCITED
Dan,
Cleaning out the Garage !~ to make room !@@!
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| From: | "Bruce Niles" <bniles(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Just orderd RV-8 |
I would suggest that you clean out under some second bedroom beds, behind
couches, and the whole other bedroom, (for starters). GOOD LUCK!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan" <dan(at)rdan.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Fwd: Just orderd RV-8
>
>
> I just ordered an RV-8 QB
> I'm SO EXCITED !!!/!/!
>
> Dan
>
> cleaning out the garage now .,.,.,.,.,.,
>
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:25:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dan <dan(at)rdan.com>
> Subject: Just orderd RV-8
> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
>
> !!!!!I just ordered my RV-8 QB !!!
> My first kit I'm SO EXCITED
>
> Dan,
> Cleaning out the Garage !~ to make room !@@!
>
>
>
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| From: | johnciolino(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Canopy stop by Mike Zeller |
I have seen a canopy stop for the RV-8 manufactured by Mike Zeller, but I cannot
find any information on how to contact him.
Does anyone have an web site, e-mail address, phone number for Mike.
Thanks
John Ciolino
RV-8 Mounting cowl
I have seen a canopy stop for the RV-8 manufactured by Mike Zeller, but I cannot
find any information on how to contact him.
Does anyone have an web site, e-mail address, phone number for Mike.
Thanks
John Ciolino
RV-8 Mounting cowl
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| From: | "Mauri Morin" <maurv8(at)bresnan.net> |
| Subject: | Canopy stop by Mike Zeller |
John,
Mike Zeller, RV8 Latch Man
Phone (812) 305-2568.
Mauri Morin
RV- 8 Fuse
P.S. I have one and it works great
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| From: | Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy stop by Mike Zeller |
For more details, check this article:
http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=200508071814513
Click on the first image to see all his contact details.
BTW, Mauri, did you have the same problem I had with
the length of the cam?
Best regards,
Mickey
Mauri Morin wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Mike Zeller, RV8 Latch Man
> Phone (812) 305-2568.
>
> Mauri Morin
> RV- 8 Fuse
>
> P.S. I have one and it works great
>
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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| Subject: | [ Scott Lewis ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
| From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
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Lists: RV-List,RV3-List,RV4-List,RV6-List,RV7-List,RV8-List,RV9-List,RV10-List,Rocket-List
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| From: | "Mauri Morin" <maurv8(at)bresnan.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy stop by Mike Zeller |
Mickey,
Sorry, I missed your question earlier
Had no problem with the installation as received.
Mauri
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Canopy stop by Mike Zeller
>
> For more details, check this article:
>
> http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=200508071814513
>
> Click on the first image to see all his contact details.
>
> BTW, Mauri, did you have the same problem I had with
> the length of the cam?
>
> Best regards,
> Mickey
>
> Mauri Morin wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Mike Zeller, RV8 Latch Man
>> Phone (812) 305-2568.
>>
>> Mauri Morin
>> RV- 8 Fuse
>>
>> P.S. I have one and it works great
>>
>
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 finishing
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks(at)charter.net> |
A friend who does RC modeling asked if I knew of any commercially available
RV-8 model kits. He'd like to build one, but has only found RV-4 kits
available. Anyone know of any RV-8 kits out there? Thanks in advance.
Ken Brooks
RV-8QB N1903P in progress
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| From: | "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks(at)charter.net> |
Thanks to those who responded about the availability of an RV-8 RC model.
Still haven't found one, but came across a survey on rchomebuilts.com that
the company uses to develop and produce new models. Anyone interested in
having them put out an RV-8 should fill out their survey and let them know
that there is a market for it.
http://www.rchomebuilts.com/feedback.htm
Ken Brooks
RV-8QB N1903P
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| From: | "Ken Brooks" <kenbrooks(at)charter.net> |
McCaffrey Aviation has a plans-built RV-8 RC model for those of you who
might be interested. Photo and information can be found at:
http://home.att.net/~mgmccaffrey/ma/vansrv8.htm
It uses an 8-cell electric motor and is aerobatic. Plans are $20 and can be
previewed on their website.
Ken Brooks
Roscoe, IL
Full-scale RV-8 in Progress
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| From: | "david stroud" <dstroud(at)storm.ca> |
| Subject: | IO520 300 hp for sale |
We have an IO 520 for available for sale.300 hp, zero time, new crank, new cyls.
all factory done. Full logs and paper trail, accessories. If interested, pls email
direct to :
dstroud(at)storm.ca thanks..
David Stroud
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| Subject: | IO-520 Continental? For a RV ? |
| From: | "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon(at)mitre.org> |
Can a Continental be used in a RV?? 300HP is over Vans limit. I am
guessing this add is not for a RV per say.....
.......................................................................
......
From: "david stroud" <dstroud(at)storm.ca>
Subject: RV8-List: IO520 300 hp for sale
We have an IO 520 for available for sale.300 hp, zero time, new crank,
new cyls.
all factory done. Full logs and paper trail, accessories. If
interested, pls email
direct to :
dstroud(at)storm.ca thanks..
David Stroud
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| From: | "jolly dawson" <jollyd(at)ipns.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IO-520 Continental? For a RV ? |
I'm using a cont. IO 360 in mine, and a friend is using a supergharged
one..jolly in dallas, ore.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Condon, Philip M." <pcondon(at)mitre.org>
Subject: RV8-List: IO-520 Continental? For a RV ?
>
>
> Can a Continental be used in a RV?? 300HP is over Vans limit. I am
> guessing this add is not for a RV per say.....
>
>
> .......................................................................
> ......
> From: "david stroud" <dstroud(at)storm.ca>
> Subject: RV8-List: IO520 300 hp for sale
>
>
> We have an IO 520 for available for sale.300 hp, zero time, new crank,
> new cyls.
> all factory done. Full logs and paper trail, accessories. If
> interested, pls email
> direct to :
>
> dstroud(at)storm.ca thanks..
>
> David Stroud
>
>
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| From: | "james winkler" <madman266(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | intercom or audio panels |
in my rv 8 i want stereo music capability, which is available in both intercom
and audio panel. the cost difference is about 1000 dollars. the intercom being
the less expensive.the problem i am told from tech support at garmen and ps eng.
is that tou cant ident vors and loc unless you get the audio panel.there must
be a way. are there any avionics gurus out there who can enlighten me???james
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| From: | David Thomas <vtol(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | intercom or audio panels |
Hey James,
Don't cheap out on audio, it will help you to enjoy your flying more than
you would ever believe. Consider the AMS50 from NAT, they are the audio
professionals.
David Thomas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of james winkler
Subject: RV8-List: intercom or audio panels
in my rv 8 i want stereo music capability, which is available in both
intercom and audio panel. the cost difference is about 1000 dollars. the
intercom being the less expensive.the problem i am told from tech support at
garmen and ps eng. is that tou cant ident vors and loc unless you get the
audio panel.there must be a way. are there any avionics gurus out there who
can enlighten me???james
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| From: | "Kermit Reedy" <KBRJOY(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | RE: RV8-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/31/05 |
Anyone have a project for sale? Contact kbrjoy(at)worldnet.att.net
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| From: | Jim Bean <jim-bean(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | RV-8 wheel landings |
Listers,
A friend advised me not to full stall land an RV-8. He says that the
elevator gets blanked when full flaps are used so he only wheel lands
his plane. What say ye.
Jim Bean
First flight soon.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Scherder" <tomscherder(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 wheel landings |
Jim,
A full stall landing in a RV 8 will work just fine if your not 3 feet over
the runway. Don't get too concerned if you find that the rear wheel lands
first and forces the mains on. Thats just what it does.The good news is that
all the energy is gone and you will come to a stop pretty fast.
Wheel landings on the other hand require you to stick the landing by using
forward pressure just as your mains touch. Not easy since we've all been
taught to never give up the nose. There is also a dead zone when the tail
begins to settle and the plane tends to get a little squirrelly. remember
you still have some energy so a ground loop is more of a possibility. Wheel
landings, though a lot more smooth also tend to porpoise if you get out of
sink with the sticking of the mains. After trying to make real soft 3
pointers we finnally gave up and just land the damn thing. I know one guy
who just apologises for the landing when you get in.
Tom Scherder RV 8 38NE 80 hrs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bean" <jim-bean(at)att.net>
Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 wheel landings
>
> Listers,
> A friend advised me not to full stall land an RV-8. He says that the
> elevator gets blanked when full flaps are used so he only wheel lands
> his plane. What say ye.
> Jim Bean
> First flight soon.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 wheel landings |
Hog Wash!
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BERFlyer(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 wheel landings |
If you are going with a constant speed prop like a Hartzel, then I recommend
you put about 50lbs of weight in the rear baggage compartment until you get
comfortable with the stick forces and flare etc. I would do both 3 point and
wheel landings in this configuration (solo). Once I removed the 50lbs of weight
from the back, I would only do wheel landings if solo. The stick forces
increased quite a bit during landing flare once the weight was removed. I believe
it would be difficult to do a 3 point landing with a heavy prop in solo mode.
You may actually run out of up elevator. With a rear passenger, you could
land either way, but I normally do wheel landings all of the time now. I also
believe that wheel landings in the -8 are better for cross-wind situations.
Danny King did an excellent audio discussion on a very tough cross-wind landing
he did out west a while back. I believe you can access it on the
VansAirForce web site.
Hope this helps,
Bruce Raymond
N488RV
96 hours
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| From: | "Crosley, Rich" <RCROSLEY(at)HRTEXTRON.TEXTRON.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-8 wheel landings |
I have 125 hours in my RV-8 and my experience is that it is somewhat
difficult to make consistently good landings. Now, to avoid, all the name
calling this is only my experience and I may not be the best pilot on the
net and I'm an old guy (60). I have about 500 hours in Cessna 120,140 and
170's and 300 in a Christen Eagle and before that I was a Navy jet guy. I
make full stall landings all the time because I want to be slower, rather
than faster and avoid the transition to tail down. Again just my opinion.
The RV-8 may have a little bit of blocking the tail at slow speeds and full
flaps, don't know. Try, watching RV's land and it seems that the "8"
doesn't make as smooth a landing as the other tail dragging RV's. Could be
the gear design or CG or what ever, but if you watch a 100 RV landings that
seems to be the case. They are not unsafe landing, just not as smooth. I
have tried less flaps, more power, no power it is just a little harder to
make grease them-on-landings all the time. I think that in the Christen
Eagle it was easier to make consistent good landings and you couldn't see
the runway in it. It frustrates the heck out of me not to be able to make
good landings all the time. Maybe more time or someone else will have the
magic cure. But, if I were you, I'd do what ever kind of landing you are
the most comfortable with......they all work.
Rich Crosley
RV-8 N948RC
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| From: | "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: RV-8 wheel landings |
Dear Jim
I have over 1300 hours on my RV8 and usually wheel land on hard surface and
stall land with FULL flaps on my grass airstrip. I have never noticed any
unusual landing characteristic with either full or half flap landings. My
RV8 is equipped with a Lycoming IO390 engine and an extended hub
AeroComposites propeller. My CG is in a normal range. I hope this helps
you.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bean" <jim-bean(at)att.net>
Subject: RV-List: RV-8 wheel landings
> --> RV-List message posted by: Jim Bean
>
> Listers,
> A friend advised me not to full stall land an RV-8. He says that the
> elevator gets blanked when full flaps are used so he only wheel lands
> his plane. What say ye.
> Jim Bean
> First flight soon.
>
>
>
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| From: | "Nic" <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk> |
Rich, I totally agree - I have recently started flying my RV8 and previously
spent my time in an S1S in which although the vision is far less, holds and
flares beautifully.
I can only describe the RV8 landings as being without "feel", and basically
disappointing so far.
It is good to hear an honest opinion of your experiences, far too often the
lists are not very forthcoming on the shortfalls of what is otherwise a
great little aircraft.
Rgds, Nic
>
> I have 125 hours in my RV-8 and my experience is that it is somewhat
> difficult to make consistently good landings. Now, to avoid, all the name
> calling this is only my experience and I may not be the best pilot on the
> net and I'm an old guy (60). I have about 500 hours in Cessna 120,140 and
> 170's and 300 in a Christen Eagle and before that I was a Navy jet guy. I
> make full stall landings all the time because I want to be slower, rather
> than faster and avoid the transition to tail down. Again just my opinion.
> The RV-8 may have a little bit of blocking the tail at slow speeds and
full
> flaps, don't know. Try, watching RV's land and it seems that the "8"
> doesn't make as smooth a landing as the other tail dragging RV's. Could
be
> the gear design or CG or what ever, but if you watch a 100 RV landings
that
> seems to be the case. They are not unsafe landing, just not as smooth. I
> have tried less flaps, more power, no power it is just a little harder to
> make grease them-on-landings all the time. I think that in the Christen
> Eagle it was easier to make consistent good landings and you couldn't see
> the runway in it. It frustrates the heck out of me not to be able to make
> good landings all the time. Maybe more time or someone else will have the
> magic cure. But, if I were you, I'd do what ever kind of landing you are
> the most comfortable with......they all work.
>
> Rich Crosley
> RV-8 N948RC
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| From: | Joel Harding <cajole76(at)ispwest.com> |
Nic,
Maybe the answer to getting that "feel" is vortex generators. There
has been some discussion in the past about reduced stall speeds and
improved stability, but it would be interesting to find out if they
improve the feel in the flare. Anyone have first hand experience to
share?
Joel Harding
On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:43 AM, Nic wrote:
>
> Rich, I totally agree - I have recently started flying my RV8 and
> previously
> spent my time in an S1S in which although the vision is far less,
> holds and
> flares beautifully.
>
> I can only describe the RV8 landings as being without "feel", and
> basically
> disappointing so far.
>
> It is good to hear an honest opinion of your experiences, far too
> often the
> lists are not very forthcoming on the shortfalls of what is
> otherwise a
> great little aircraft.
>
> Rgds, Nic
>
>>
>> I have 125 hours in my RV-8 and my experience is that it is somewhat
>> difficult to make consistently good landings. Now, to avoid, all
>> the name
>> calling this is only my experience and I may not be the best pilot
>> on the
>> net and I'm an old guy (60). I have about 500 hours in Cessna
>> 120,140 and
>> 170's and 300 in a Christen Eagle and before that I was a Navy jet
>> guy. I
>> make full stall landings all the time because I want to be slower,
>> rather
>> than faster and avoid the transition to tail down. Again just my
>> opinion.
>> The RV-8 may have a little bit of blocking the tail at slow speeds
>> and
> full
>> flaps, don't know. Try, watching RV's land and it seems that the "8"
>> doesn't make as smooth a landing as the other tail dragging RV's.
>> Could
> be
>> the gear design or CG or what ever, but if you watch a 100 RV
>> landings
> that
>> seems to be the case. They are not unsafe landing, just not as
>> smooth. I
>> have tried less flaps, more power, no power it is just a little
>> harder to
>> make grease them-on-landings all the time. I think that in the
>> Christen
>> Eagle it was easier to make consistent good landings and you
>> couldn't see
>> the runway in it. It frustrates the heck out of me not to be able
>> to make
>> good landings all the time. Maybe more time or someone else will
>> have the
>> magic cure. But, if I were you, I'd do what ever kind of landing
>> you are
>> the most comfortable with......they all work.
>>
>> Rich Crosley
>> RV-8 N948RC
>
>
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| From: | Joel Harding <cajole76(at)ispwest.com> |
Nic,
Take a look at this web site. Go to the last item on the page.
There is a picture of a strake, along with some test information. It
sounds like it might improve the low speed feel.
Joel Harding
http://www.romeolima.com/RV8//MikeRobbins.htm
On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:43 AM, Nic wrote:
>
> Rich, I totally agree - I have recently started flying my RV8 and
> previously
> spent my time in an S1S in which although the vision is far less,
> holds and
> flares beautifully.
>
> I can only describe the RV8 landings as being without "feel", and
> basically
> disappointing so far.
>
> It is good to hear an honest opinion of your experiences, far too
> often the
> lists are not very forthcoming on the shortfalls of what is
> otherwise a
> great little aircraft.
>
> Rgds, Nic
>
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| Subject: | RV-8 Landings.... |
After all the theories about RV-8 landing manners recently, can't help but
put in my two cents worth! My son and I have been flying our -8 for two and a
half yrs. now and feel that we have learned a little about the characteristics
with the CG towards either end of the envelope (ran out of elevator at fwd end,
and sensitive pitch control aft). Solo, we ballast 45 # in the aft bag.
cmpt., and put that ballast in the fwd cmpt. with two aboard (Van was a bit
generous with the CG range, considering a Cessna Citation jet has just about the
same, 8"). By the way, leave the T/W first landings to planes with a tailhooks!
As for directional skittishness, we don't have much slack in the tail chains
(also replaced Van's t/w springs with a pair just a little softer), and made a
new steering yoke which is about 1/4" wider on each side to slow things down.
We also had a tail spring that was badly drilled at the factory and would not
keep the t/w steering axis vertical (had 6-7 degrees of rotational slop),
installed an AN taper pin instead of the retainer bolt. If that axis is not
vertical, the t/w will not track well on initial touchdown. RV-8 brake pedals also
will apply some brake pressure with any significant foot pressure (yeah, heels
on the floor), whether you want braking or not. We put a small extension on
the bottom of the pedals, extending down and to the rear. We now consider the
landings now to be on par with the Citabria we had for years.
My background, Navy 6 yrs, big iron 34 yrs, 900 hrs t/w last 7 yrs, 200 RV-8
Sam Jacobsen, RV-8, N708J
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| From: | "Bryan Jones" <rv_8pilot(at)hotmail.com> |
Regarding the RV-8 handling, I guess I have to chime in. Mine's coming up
on 6 years old with almost 800 hours - all mine. This plane is a gift from
Heaven as far as I'm concerned. Van is a saint for selling these things at
half what he could get for them.
Guess I might be jaded or biased, but this is one honest, responsive plane.
By far the best I've flown of it's type (single recip engine sport-acro),
and I've flown a few - maybe 35-40 models.
Landing is very straight forward and honest. Yes, it runs out of elevator
if too slow and fwd cg. Even on short strips, I keep the speed up and bleed
energy only when near three-pt touchdown - gives no problems. Takes
practice to do this with a steep decent over an obstacle. The first 4 years
of my RV's life were spent at an 1800-2000' grass strip. Lately, 95% of my
landings are on 3,500+ foot concrete and asphalt where I use a fairly high
nose attitude wheel landing technique (same as used on the grass actually).
I find the spring steel gear no problem. The other RV's are spongier with
their tubular type gear (where I have 60-70 hrs). But the -8 is not a
problem once you've become accustomed to the very minor difference.
As for low speed handling, it's not a Cub, but darn close - and I used to
own one of those. I can hang in the air with the nose at about 30-deg up,
full flaps and fly all day with full confidence. Wouldn't do it below 800
ft or so, but still very predictable and controllable.
The shudder that you get just before stall is a little bit unnerving or just
annoying. But really, I see it as a last line of defense for someone so
totally out of it they allow an unexpected stall. But uncoordinated, it
will snap. Not violently or erratically (depending on how straight the
plane is), just enough to give a good spin entry or low speed snap roll.
I see someone below saying the -8 landing are without feel and
disappointing. Well, just don't see that. Have no idea what this would be
compared to, but just don't see this at all. The looks take a few minutes
to grow on you compared to a -3 or -4 - the most attrative RV's IMO. But
it's a close second, especially flying.
The plane will sink fast when slow. That's just the price to pay for the
low aspect wing. But it's still very managable. Just keep some energy when
landing, and DO NOT "over-pull" the stick to flare. Might get an
accelerated stall at 4-5' AGL. Not good. Did it once. Fortunately,
nothing broke.
Last, the rudder/brake pedals need modification. Some use the lower pedal
extension. I came up with something much more simple and I believe more
effective. I cut two sections of 1/4" steel rod, drilled the respective
sides of the pedal and lower assy. Inserted the rod and secured with set
screw locking collars and Loctite. Has worked great for the last 400-500
hrs.
Be sure to tighten the gear attach bolts after the first 50-hrs or so.
Feel free to write me directly if you have more questions.
Bryan Jones, CFII, MEI, RV-8 transition training (retired!)
www.LoneStarSquadron.com
Houston, Texas
>From: Joel Harding <cajole76(at)ispwest.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Landings Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:34:45 -0700
>
>
>Nic,
>Take a look at this web site. Go to the last item on the page.
>There is a picture of a strake, along with some test information. It
>sounds like it might improve the low speed feel.
>
>Joel Harding
>
>
>http://www.romeolima.com/RV8//MikeRobbins.htm
>
>
>On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:43 AM, Nic wrote:
>
> >
> > Rich, I totally agree - I have recently started flying my RV8 and
> > previously
> > spent my time in an S1S in which although the vision is far less,
> > holds and
> > flares beautifully.
> >
> > I can only describe the RV8 landings as being without "feel", and
> > basically
> > disappointing so far.
> >
> > It is good to hear an honest opinion of your experiences, far too
> > often the
> > lists are not very forthcoming on the shortfalls of what is
> > otherwise a
> > great little aircraft.
> >
> > Rgds, Nic
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Nic" <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk> |
Cc:
Bryan, Thanks for your feedback on the RV8 handling. I have had several
emails from RV8'ers that have had the same experience as myself, namely of
disappointing handling in takeoff and particularly landing regimes.
I think the issue is mainly one of "expectations" and I had assumed that the
RV grin was one derived from excellent light handling, rather than just
performance. Speaking to a number of pilots that have come to RV8's from
Pitt's or other similar aircraft, they too have found that the 8 is heavy
and not very responsive in certain regimes. Yes, it feels sporty at high
speeds - but that is to be expected.
Much of the discussion on the RV8 forums is naturally about building rather
than flying and it has been good recently to hear some honest opinions on
the RV8 handling, (even if they are often off-line).
Yes, the aircraft is pretty benign and can be landed in a three hundred
yards, and yes, it can be flown as a stable platform at low speeds with the
flaps down ...... but in my honest opinion is that it lacks fine and
detailed feedback that defines a truly great handling airplane.
The ergonomics of the seating and stick position are not ideal either and I
will be thinking of ways to enhance the current arrangements in my own RV8.
(I have heard that Jon J's seats are an improvement in the RV4).
As suggested I think that it really depends on your previous experience as
to whether the handling has the "feel" or not. Overall I am still generally
happy with my new 8, but will Now probably keep my Pitts S1 to keep in
touch.
Rgds, Nic
> I see someone below saying the -8 landing are without feel and
> disappointing. Well, just don't see that. Have no idea what this would
be
> compared to, but just don't see this at all.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711(at)msn.com> |
Nic
You seem to imply that the "RV grin" is only acquired from performance and
not handling and that the RV 8 delivers "disappointing" take off and landing
and landing characteristics. If that is your experience that is certainly
valid for you but in no way mirrors the experience of all others. If you
are comparing an RV to a Pitts its a bit of an apples and oranges thing. I
challenge you to put spades on your ailerons, VGs on your stabilizer and
bias your CG aft and then comment on the comparison. You have much more
experience than many builders and are aware that a short coupled Pitts will
be lighter and more responsive in pitch and roll than just about anything
else. When my RV 8 is full of fuel with just me in it and that heavy angle
valve engine up front it gets nose heavy when landing (slow) but at the end
of a cross country leg with low fuel and my wife in the back seat its very
light in pitch. The point is that your Pitts is optimized for a fairly
narrow flight and loading regime and an RV is capable of a much broader
envelope. My experience has been that the RV series is delightful and
responsive to fly in all regimes. Now tell me again how that Pitts has
better takeoff characteristics :)
Paul Schattauer
RV8 N808 PS
I wheel land on pavement when the CG is forward and 3 point when aft
I always 3 point on grass
The tall pilot option (I am 5'11") and a slightly bent (cut and welded)
stick solved the cockpit ergonomics for me
>From: "Nic" <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>CC:
>Subject: RV8-List: Landings
>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:13:27 -0000
>
>
>Bryan, Thanks for your feedback on the RV8 handling. I have had several
>emails from RV8'ers that have had the same experience as myself, namely of
>disappointing handling in takeoff and particularly landing regimes.
>
>I think the issue is mainly one of "expectations" and I had assumed that
>the
>RV grin was one derived from excellent light handling, rather than just
>performance. Speaking to a number of pilots that have come to RV8's from
>Pitt's or other similar aircraft, they too have found that the 8 is heavy
>and not very responsive in certain regimes. Yes, it feels sporty at high
>speeds - but that is to be expected.
>
>Much of the discussion on the RV8 forums is naturally about building rather
>than flying and it has been good recently to hear some honest opinions on
>the RV8 handling, (even if they are often off-line).
>
>Yes, the aircraft is pretty benign and can be landed in a three hundred
>yards, and yes, it can be flown as a stable platform at low speeds with the
>flaps down ...... but in my honest opinion is that it lacks fine and
>detailed feedback that defines a truly great handling airplane.
>
>The ergonomics of the seating and stick position are not ideal either and I
>will be thinking of ways to enhance the current arrangements in my own RV8.
>(I have heard that Jon J's seats are an improvement in the RV4).
>
>As suggested I think that it really depends on your previous experience as
>to whether the handling has the "feel" or not. Overall I am still generally
>happy with my new 8, but will Now probably keep my Pitts S1 to keep in
>touch.
>
>Rgds, Nic
>
> > I see someone below saying the -8 landing are without feel and
> > disappointing. Well, just don't see that. Have no idea what this would
>be
> > compared to, but just don't see this at all.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Tall Pilot Option |
| From: | "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com> |
What does the Tall Pilot Option entail for an RV8. I see that Paul
Schattauer used it at 5'11". Vans says something about 6'6" or
something like that. At 6'1", is it recommended or not? And what does
it do to the back seat room?
Thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Tall Pilot Option |
The tall pilot option changes the geometry of the front seat back weldment
and allows you to "tilt" back about another inch and a half. What it really
does is move your head aft about 2 inches and reclines you a bit. It is
more comfortable for me and gives me a little more distance from the panel.
It does reduce the room in the back a little. It is a bolt on change. I
have no clue why Van suggests it for 6"6' pilots only.
Paul Schattauer
RV 8 808PS
>From: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RV8-List: Tall Pilot Option
>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:00:38 -0800
>
>
>
>What does the Tall Pilot Option entail for an RV8. I see that Paul
>Schattauer used it at 5'11". Vans says something about 6'6" or
>something like that. At 6'1", is it recommended or not? And what does
>it do to the back seat room?
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | scott bilinski <rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tall Pilot Option |
It all depends on how you are proportioned. I am 6'3" and I fit ok. If I had to
make a change It would be one that gives me more leg room. My knees are regularly
hitting the bottom of the instrument panel.
To do it over again. I would flip around the mid cabin brace and move the seat
bottom back about 2~3 inches. Flipping the mid cabin brace moves the top of
the seat back......I think this would not be a problem. If you do this the stick
really needs to be moved back also.
Also on the seat cushions, I ordered Oregon Aero and had them make the last 2
inches a seperat piece. Boy am I glad I did that other wise my head set would
be hitting the canopy.
Dan Beadle wrote:
What does the Tall Pilot Option entail for an RV8. I see that Paul
Schattauer used it at 5'11". Vans says something about 6'6" or
something like that. At 6'1", is it recommended or not? And what does
it do to the back seat room?
Thanks
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
cell 858-395-5094
---------------------------------
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
| Subject: | Tall Pilot Option |
I'm 6'1" and have no problems or regrets with the stock configuration (no
tall option).
-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Beadle [mailto:Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:01 PM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Tall Pilot Option
>
> -->
>
> What does the Tall Pilot Option entail for an RV8. I see
> that Paul Schattauer used it at 5'11". Vans says something
> about 6'6" or something like that. At 6'1", is it
> recommended or not? And what does it do to the back seat room?
>
> Thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nic" <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Landings & handling |
Paul, Yes, I am sure that you are right and that many pilots find the RV8
handling absolutely fantastic in all regimes.
That is why I say it very much depends on your individual perspective and
previous experience, and what you are looking for in an aircraft.
My feedback is only relevant as one datapoint on the RV satisfaction graph,
and after two years of build time, even I am biased towards skewing the
satisfaction level favourably.
Rgds, Nic
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Thomas <vtol(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Landings & handling |
I hate to mention this for fear of multiple reprisals but what are the landing
characteristics for the 8A?
David Thomas
----- Original Message -----
From: Nic <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Date: Friday, January 13, 2006 4:46 am
Subject: RV8-List: Landings & handling
>
> Paul, Yes, I am sure that you are right and that many pilots find
> the RV8
> handling absolutely fantastic in all regimes.
> That is why I say it very much depends on your individual
> perspective and
> previous experience, and what you are looking for in an aircraft.
>
> My feedback is only relevant as one datapoint on the RV
> satisfaction graph,
> and after two years of build time, even I am biased towards
> skewing the
> satisfaction level favourably.
> Rgds, Nic
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmy Hill" <jimmy(at)jhill.biz> |
| Subject: | Re: Landings & handling |
Have flown a wide variety of conventional gear and tri-gear. My 8A is the
easiest landing plane of all.
Jimmy
8A 330 Hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Thomas" <vtol(at)shaw.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Landings & handling
>
> I hate to mention this for fear of multiple reprisals but what are the
landing characteristics for the 8A?
>
> David Thomas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nic <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
> Date: Friday, January 13, 2006 4:46 am
> Subject: RV8-List: Landings & handling
>
> >
> > Paul, Yes, I am sure that you are right and that many pilots find
> > the RV8
> > handling absolutely fantastic in all regimes.
> > That is why I say it very much depends on your individual
> > perspective and
> > previous experience, and what you are looking for in an aircraft.
> >
> > My feedback is only relevant as one datapoint on the RV
> > satisfaction graph,
> > and after two years of build time, even I am biased towards
> > skewing the
> > satisfaction level favourably.
> > Rgds, Nic
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Dan <dan(at)rdan.com> |
Do I need to build a jig to build the empennage ???
I see some are and some not .
I am QB so I think I don't need one for the wings
Dan
-8 tail
N728RV reserved
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| From: | "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com> |
No, the RV8 is pre-punched. The geometry of the skins forces everything
into rig. Pretty nice.
I just finished empennage. Waiting for QB kit myself.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Emp- Jig ??
Do I need to build a jig to build the empennage ???
I see some are and some not .
I am QB so I think I don't need one for the wings
Dan
-8 tail
N728RV reserved
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "michael christmann" <michaelfly(at)earthlink.net> |
I am looking for a current poh for the rv 8. The URL in the archives is not working
for me.
Michael Christmann
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch> |
You'll find an excellent POH/AFM on Kevin Horton's site:
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/
Mickey
> I am looking for a current poh for the rv 8. The URL in the archives is not working
for me.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj(at)alltel.net> |
Try Doug Reeves web site. He has links to several.different models. Look
down the left side under POH's.
www.vansairforce.net
Mannan Thomason
RV-8 Slo build. Rivets pounded, doing the other 90%.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mickey Coggins" <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: poh
>
> You'll find an excellent POH/AFM on Kevin Horton's site:
>
> http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8/
>
> Mickey
>
>> I am looking for a current poh for the rv 8. The URL in the archives is
>> not working for me.
>
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 finishing
>
>
>
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I'd like to change to a plenum and make it myself rather than use the
available "off the shelf" types. Aluminum vs. fiberglass? Anyone made one similar
to Diamond Aircraft's two-part plenum? Reason for change--running ok except
hot weather CHTs go to 425+ on a couple cylinders despite injector sizing
changes on my IO-540 with Lasar and proper baffling. Please no comments on the
IO-540--I just like excess power!
Don Schmiesing
Seattle
110 hours on 417DS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Electonic ignition options |
Listers:
At the risk of starting a huge thread: What are the different types of
ignition systems out there for the I/O 360? Mfg and comments good or bad for
each?
Thanks
Al Grajek
RV8
engine re-build
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Niles" <bniles(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electonic ignition options |
Yes, this could start a huge thread. I would suggest googling the various
manufacturers you hear and read about. There is a TON of info out there.
Also, I don't know what you are building, but on Van's website are websites
of builders who have gone to great lengths to document their building
process. You will find months of research there. Good luck. PS I went
with the Aerosance FADEC. It is more money up front but it has fuel savings
advantages, plus it runs each cylinder independently. It times ignitions,
meters fuel based on sensor readings. One moving part in the whole system.
Advantage: because fuel is constantly balanced to engine requirements and
EGT and CHT parameters, you should never have to worry about fouling one
plug while overleaning another cylinder and burning plugs or scorching a
cylinder due to momentary inatention or other factors. FWIW.. Godd luck
again in your reasearch,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
;
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:47 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Electonic ignition options
>
> Listers:
> At the risk of starting a huge thread: What are the different types of
> ignition systems out there for the I/O 360? Mfg and comments good or bad
> for
> each?
> Thanks
> Al Grajek
> RV8
> engine re-build
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Scherder" <tomscherder(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electonic ignition options |
Al,
I really love our lightspeed. If the other mag goes I'm putting another one
on. Quick starts, almost no RPM drop on mag check.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
;
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:47 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Electonic ignition options
>
> Listers:
> At the risk of starting a huge thread: What are the different types of
> ignition systems out there for the I/O 360? Mfg and comments good or bad
for
> each?
> Thanks
> Al Grajek
> RV8
> engine re-build
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electonic ignition options |
Tom:
How have you been? We need to get together. Where is the best place to get
the lightspeed. and How much?
Thanks
Al
>From: "Tom Scherder" <tomscherder(at)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Electonic ignition options
>Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:27:08 -0500
>
>
>Al,
>I really love our lightspeed. If the other mag goes I'm putting another one
>on. Quick starts, almost no RPM drop on mag check.
>Tom
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
>To: ; ;
>;
>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:47 PM
>Subject: RV8-List: Electonic ignition options
>
>
> >
> > Listers:
> > At the risk of starting a huge thread: What are the different types of
> > ignition systems out there for the I/O 360? Mfg and comments good or bad
>for
> > each?
> > Thanks
> > Al Grajek
> > RV8
> > engine re-build
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com> |
Don,
I was hoping someone with more experience would have responded to your
question by now, but since I haven't seen anything, let me mention my
experiences to date:
I bought an expensive carbon-fiber plenum for my 0-360 and have spent months
trying to make it work. Most of the blame belongs with me; I seem to need to
build something two or three times before it starts to be acceptable.
Everything worked reasonably well until I got to the front inlets and
connecting the plenum up to the cowl. I totally rebuilt the front of the
carbon fiber plenum twice to get it to line up with the cowl inlets, then
ordered a new baffle kit from Van's and set the plenum aside as a maybe
winter project once I get this thing flying.
I have seen three general approaches to plenums in RV's. The first is the
Sam James composite plenum and cowl combination where the cowl inlets are
round and connect up with a flexible sleeve to the round inlets on the
plenum.
The next approach is essentially to do the baffles but instead of doing the
flexible rubber seal from the baffles to the top cowl, cut down the baffles
and use either aluminum or composite to make a plenum out of the baffles.
The third approach I have seen is best shown my Mark Philips on his RV-6
website, which I can't find at the moment. I have also seen similar plenums
that come with a new Jaibaru engine from the factory. These are somewhat
distorted composite or aluminum tubes that run from the cowl air inlet over
the cylinders, one on each side. The bottom of the tube is open of course to
force the air down through the cooling fins on the cylinders.
If I do another plenum, I will probably do the baffles, cut them down, and
then lay up a composite top that would fasten to the baffles on the sides
and back with piano hinges. I still haven't figured out how I would connect
it to the air inlets at the front.
Terry
RV-8A #80729, finishing (Whirl Wind 200RV prop came yesterday!)
Seattle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DCS317(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:35 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Plenum
I'd like to change to a plenum and make it myself rather than use the
available "off the shelf" types. Aluminum vs. fiberglass? Anyone made one
similar
to Diamond Aircraft's two-part plenum? Reason for change--running ok except
hot weather CHTs go to 425+ on a couple cylinders despite injector sizing
changes on my IO-540 with Lasar and proper baffling. Please no comments on
the
IO-540--I just like excess power!
Don Schmiesing
Seattle
110 hours on 417DS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry Miller <xsmiller(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | IO-390 questions |
I am building an RV-8 and planning to use an IO-390. I know there are some out
there and I would love to ask some questions if you would identify yourselves.
Thanks,
Larry Miller
N184LM to be
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Scherder" <tomscherder(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electonic ignition options |
Al,
I got our lightspeed on their website.I had a problem with a wire and they
took care of it. I think I paid about $900.00 for it. A new mag is pretty
close. They claim you can expect a 10 horsepower boost with 1 lightspeed and
even more if you use 2. I can't tell any difference since we put it on in
the beginning. I will say that this little plane can sure scoot. We cruise
at over 190 and I had another pilot tell me that we could get over 200 if we
keep everything against the wall. I had 2500 with full power at 5500ft and
got consistently 194+mph.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Electonic ignition options
>
> Tom:
> How have you been? We need to get together. Where is the best place to get
> the lightspeed. and How much?
> Thanks
> Al
>
>
> >From: "Tom Scherder" <tomscherder(at)hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: RV8-List: Electonic ignition options
> >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:27:08 -0500
> >
> >
> >Al,
> >I really love our lightspeed. If the other mag goes I'm putting another
one
> >on. Quick starts, almost no RPM drop on mag check.
> >Tom
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
> >To: ; ;
> >;
> >Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:47 PM
> >Subject: RV8-List: Electonic ignition options
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Listers:
> > > At the risk of starting a huge thread: What are the different types of
> > > ignition systems out there for the I/O 360? Mfg and comments good or
bad
> >for
> > > each?
> > > Thanks
> > > Al Grajek
> > > RV8
> > > engine re-build
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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CC: DCS317(at)aol.com
I've got an small oil leak on the back side of my Lycoming. I thought it
was leaking around the lower stud of the left magneto (a drip forms on that
stud). Two removals and reinsertion of the stud (each with thread cleaning and
thread sealer coating) and then a third removal (with an oversized stud
inserted) did not cure the small leak. I think the leak is probably above the
magneto perhaps at the connection of one of those expensive oil hoses at the back
of the case. Just running the engine for a few minutes will not cause the
leak--I have to cowl it up and fly the bird to see any oil leak, i.e., high
power settings for at least 20 minutes--which messes up my belly and diffusely
the left back of the engine. I've tightened all connections to the oil
cooler (located on the right side of the engine) and cannot pinpoint any area
of
leakage. This is small enough to not notice any significant reduction in
crankcase oil level even after a few flights. Anyone got any ideas how to
pinpoint this frustrating leak?
Don Schmiesing
Seattle
110 hours on RV-8 417DS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jolly dawson" <jollyd(at)ipns.com> |
here is a tip that works for me on a LOT of stubborn leaks on ALL sorts of
engines..clean the engine, and dry it off..put a coating of talk powder over
the suspected aerea of the engine..if no joy after you run the engine, try
putting talk ALL OVER the engine..sometimes the air stream carries the oil
to the back of the engine, when the leak is really in the front...good luck,
and blue skys to you...jolly in dallas, ore.
----- Original Message -----
From: <DCS317(at)aol.com>
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Oil Leak
>
>
> I've got an small oil leak on the back side of my Lycoming. I thought it
> was leaking around the lower stud of the left magneto (a drip forms on
that
> stud). Two removals and reinsertion of the stud (each with thread
cleaning and
> thread sealer coating) and then a third removal (with an oversized stud
> inserted) did not cure the small leak. I think the leak is probably above
the
> magneto perhaps at the connection of one of those expensive oil hoses at
the back
> of the case. Just running the engine for a few minutes will not cause
the
> leak--I have to cowl it up and fly the bird to see any oil leak, i.e.,
high
> power settings for at least 20 minutes--which messes up my belly and
diffusely
> the left back of the engine. I've tightened all connections to the oil
> cooler (located on the right side of the engine) and cannot pinpoint any
area of
> leakage. This is small enough to not notice any significant reduction in
> crankcase oil level even after a few flights. Anyone got any ideas how
to
> pinpoint this frustrating leak?
>
> Don Schmiesing
> Seattle
> 110 hours on RV-8 417DS
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Don't know if you have a CS prop but if you do ... check the governor ... that
is where I had a leak.
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
429 hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: DCS317(at)aol.com
Cc: DCS317(at)aol.com
Subject: RV8-List: Oil Leak
I've got an small oil leak on the back side of my Lycoming. I thought it
was leaking around the lower stud of the left magneto (a drip forms on that
stud). Two removals and reinsertion of the stud (each with thread cleaning and
thread sealer coating) and then a third removal (with an oversized stud
inserted) did not cure the small leak. I think the leak is probably above the
magneto perhaps at the connection of one of those expensive oil hoses at the
back
of the case. Just running the engine for a few minutes will not cause the
leak--I have to cowl it up and fly the bird to see any oil leak, i.e., high
power settings for at least 20 minutes--which messes up my belly and diffusely
the left back of the engine. I've tightened all connections to the oil
cooler (located on the right side of the engine) and cannot pinpoint any area
of
leakage. This is small enough to not notice any significant reduction in
crankcase oil level even after a few flights. Anyone got any ideas how to
pinpoint this frustrating leak?
Don Schmiesing
Seattle
110 hours on RV-8 417DS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mannan J. Thomason" <mannanj(at)alltel.net> |
If your engine happens to have a single drive dual mag setup ("Siamese
mags"), there's a Service Instruction, Lycoming
SI # 1438A that addresses oil leaks between the prop govenor and the
accessory case. Seems some prop gov. shafts are a bit too long and bottom
out in the internal gear, not allowing the gov. to be tightened down enough
to compress the gasket.
Mannan Thomason
RV-8 Light at the end of the tunnel!
----- Original Message -----
From: <lenleg(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Oil Leak
>
> Don't know if you have a CS prop but if you do ... check the governor ...
> that is where I had a leak.
>
> Len Leggette, RV-8A
> Greensboro, NC N910LL
> 429 hrs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DCS317(at)aol.com
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Cc: DCS317(at)aol.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Oil Leak
>
>
> I've got an small oil leak on the back side of my Lycoming. I thought it
> was leaking around the lower stud of the left magneto (a drip forms on
> that
> stud). Two removals and reinsertion of the stud (each with thread
> cleaning and
> thread sealer coating) and then a third removal (with an oversized stud
> inserted) did not cure the small leak. I think the leak is probably above
> the
> magneto perhaps at the connection of one of those expensive oil hoses at
> the
> back
> of the case. Just running the engine for a few minutes will not cause
> the
> leak--I have to cowl it up and fly the bird to see any oil leak, i.e.,
> high
> power settings for at least 20 minutes--which messes up my belly and
> diffusely
> the left back of the engine. I've tightened all connections to the oil
> cooler (located on the right side of the engine) and cannot pinpoint any
> area
> of
> leakage. This is small enough to not notice any significant reduction in
> crankcase oil level even after a few flights. Anyone got any ideas how
> to
> pinpoint this frustrating leak?
>
> Don Schmiesing
> Seattle
> 110 hours on RV-8 417DS
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "aflyer" <aflyer(at)lazy8.net> |
Don, the easiest way for you to solve your CHT problems is to dump that LASAR system
(excessive timing advance) and get Lightspeed or just plain magnetos. You
can test this by removing power from the LASAR system when the engine is running
too hot...you will reduce CHTs by 30 degrees as the timing reverts to baseline.
A plenum will help reduce cooling drag, but probably not make the engine run cooler
unless you didn't fit your baffles well.
fun fun, John
--------
Life is too short to run lean of peak.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7000#7000
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| From: | Walter Tondu <walter(at)tondu.com> |
On 01/26 8:55, aflyer wrote:
>
> Don, the easiest way for you to solve your CHT problems is to dump that LASAR
system (excessive timing advance) and get Lightspeed or just plain magnetos.
You can test this by removing power from the LASAR system when the engine is
running too hot...you will reduce CHTs by 30 degrees as the timing reverts to
baseline.
The LASAR system will generally only increase CHT's by 15-20 degrees.
http://www.unisonindustries.com/products/lasar_installation/lasar_inst_seven.html
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
Flying!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "aflyer" <aflyer(at)lazy8.net> |
Walter, you can believe my testing, or their marketing fluff.
I would often switch the LASAR off in a climb on a warm day, and even in cruise
if it was warm at altitude, and if anything, 30 degrees is conservative. I am
speaking from 150 hours experience with that system. During the second summer,
I replaced it with dual Lightspeeds...problem solved. I have not seen 400 degrees
since.
John
--------
Life is too short to run lean of peak.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7277#7277
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Walter Tondu <walter(at)tondu.com> |
On 01/27 6:54, aflyer wrote:
>
> Walter, you can believe my testing, or their marketing fluff.
>
> I would often switch the LASAR off in a climb on a warm day, and even in cruise
if it was warm at altitude, and if anything, 30 degrees is conservative. I
am speaking from 150 hours experience with that system. During the second summer,
I replaced it with dual Lightspeeds...problem solved. I have not seen 400
degrees since.
Precisely why my P-Mags should be arriving in a few weeks!
I have examined everything I could related to the high CHT issue
and replaceing the LASAR system is next on the agenda. I
certainly hope I see the same numbers you have seen. Thanks
for the info.
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
Flying!
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Full-name: PeterHunt1
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:20:33 EST
Subject: plenum
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John,
I too have built a nice aluminum plenum for my RV-6 (O-360-A1A). Just got
it in the air, but immediately found hot CHT's on climb out. I too suspect my
LASAR and am running tests to determine how much CHT drop there is when I
switch it off. You said your Lightspeed system solved the problem, but was
there also any change in fuel burn?
Pete
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John,
I too have built a nice aluminum plenum for my RV-6 (O-360-A1A).=20Just
got it in the air, but immediately found hot CHT's on climb out. I too
suspect my LASAR and am running tests to determine how much CHT drop there is
when I switch it off. You said your Lightspeed system solved the problem,
but was there also any change in fuel burn?
Pete
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| From: | "Nuisance" <aflyer(at)lazy8.net> |
Pete
I did not see a change in fuel burn, or in true airspeed when I switched.
I only saw the reduction in CHT, and the increase in EGT, both about the same as
when I turned my LASAR off.
I have the optional timing display with the Lightspeed...at 8500 ft, wide open
throttle (23" map), and 2500 rpm, it only shows about 4 degrees advance from baseline.
I don't know what the LASAR system was doing, they consider that information to
be proprietary.
John
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Life is too short to run lean of peak.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7677#7677
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| From: | Walter Tondu <walter(at)tondu.com> |
On 01/28 2:34, Nuisance wrote:
> I don't know what the LASAR system was doing, they consider that
> information to be proprietary.
They must have told avweb, and I've also gotten this information
directly from them over the phone. Here's a quote from avweb.
"With settings available from zero to 42 degrees before Top Dead Center,
however, the LASAR matches the spark advance to make possible the most
"fire in the hole" from the smallest possible amount of fuel."
And the whole article...
http://www.avweb.com/news/reviews/182489-1.html
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
Flying!
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| From: | "Nuisance" <aflyer(at)lazy8.net> |
[quote="walter(at)tondu.com"]On 01/28 2:34, Nuisance wrote:
> I don't know what the LASAR system was doing, they consider that
> information to be proprietary.
They must have told avweb, and I've also gotten this information
directly from them over the phone. Here's a quote from avweb.
"With settings available from zero to 42 degrees before Top Dead Center,
however, the LASAR matches the spark advance to make possible the most
"fire in the hole" from the smallest possible amount of fuel."
Hi Walter
I did read that article back in '01, and that, together with a strong recommendation
from Ken Tunnel at Lycon, is why I ordered my engine with the LASAR system.
The information I tried to get from Harry Fenton when he was still working for
Unison was basically a timing map. That is, at what MAP and RPM does the advance
start, and what is it at a normal cruise setting, and what is it at a high
altitude cruise, etc. This information has always been withheld. We are given
the range 0-42 degrees...I think Lightspeed says 0-40. But, it is the essence
of this dicussion to consider when, and how much, advance is provided at various
settings. This is what I am referring to when I say that the LASAR advance
curve is too aggressive...too much advance comes in too early as MAP is reduced,
and that is what causes the CHTs to run higher than they should.
I firmly believe that with LASAR, by the time you provide enough extra cooling
air to keep your engine at normal, sub 400 degree CHTs, you have caused enough
extra drag to negate the benefit of any extra power you may be getting from the
timing advance. You are also putting more strain on the rod and main bearings
(see the discussion of thetaPP on the GAMI website, and John Deacon's articles
on AVWEB).
I have read (somewhere, maybe on one of these email lists) that the E-mag people
are using a more conservative timing advance curve, and I would leap to the
conclusion that they are aware of these problems.
LASAR, as a certified system, is stuck with what they have. The company won't put
more R&D into the system due to the poor market acceptance on the existing
system...they won't even develop a system for Continentals. They did their testing
on C-172s and various Pipers that provide huge masses of air for cooling
(and go slow). They pushed the timing curve in the attempt to provide more attractive
performance results, and didn't realize what would happen to the tighter
cowled engines in the experimental world.
Best of luck to ya!
John
disclaimer...these are all just my stupid opinions.
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
Listers,
Is anyone with the Garmin SL-30 nav-comm using the built-in intercom?
If so, is it acceptable? Or do you recommend buying a separate intercom?
Is squelch a problem? Do you have control over squelch? Is there a means to
input music? Is there a muting function?
All advice appreciated.
Stan Sutterfield
www.rv-8a.net
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| From: | scott bilinski <rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: SL-30 Intercom |
If I remember correctly if you use the built in intercom then the freq monitor
function wont work.
Listers,
Is anyone with the Garmin SL-30 nav-comm using the built-in intercom?
If so, is it acceptable? Or do you recommend buying a separate intercom?
Is squelch a problem? Do you have control over squelch? Is there a means to
input music? Is there a muting function?
All advice appreciated.
Stan Sutterfield
www.rv-8a.net
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
cell 858-395-5094
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| From: | Tim Coldenhoff <rvlist(at)rv9a.deru.com> |
| Subject: | Re: SL-30 Intercom |
> If I remember correctly if you use the built in intercom then the
> freq monitor function wont work.
>
> Speedy11(at)aol.com wrote:
> Listers, Is anyone with the Garmin SL-30 nav-comm using the built-in
> intercom? If so, is it acceptable? Or do you recommend buying a
> separate intercom? Is squelch a problem? Do you have control over
> squelch? Is there a means to input music? Is there a muting function?
I have the SL-30 as my only Nav/Comm and I use the built in intercom.
For me, it is perfectly acceptable.
The ability to monitor two frequencies at once is not affected by use of
the internal intercom - I use this feature quite a lot.
Squelch is controllable by going through the system menus. Cumbersome
to do in flight, however I have never had to go back and change it after
finding a good setting.
There is no means for Aux inputs, and therefore no muting function.
The radio and intercom volume are the same control, so the pax will be
just as loud as the radio. No big deal unless you need to talk while
there is a lot of radio traffic, in which case you can just flip-flop to
a clear freq momentarily.
I had built an RST-565 audio panel to allow me to have a handheld as a
backup COMM, as well as have an input for music. Unfortunately, I found
the panel to have unacceptable performance and removed it. I have since
purchased a handheld with a headset adaptor, and my Lightspeed headset
has an aux input for music/cellphone, so I don't miss the audio panel.
--
Tim Coldenhoff
N194TC - 2.5L Egg Subaru powered RV9a
http://rv9a.deru.com
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| From: | Walter Tondu <walter(at)tondu.com> |
On 01/29 6:32, Nuisance wrote:
> I did read that article back in '01, and that, together with a strong recommendation
from Ken Tunnel at Lycon, is why I ordered my engine with the LASAR system.
>
> The information I tried to get from Harry Fenton when he was still working for
Unison was basically a timing map. That is, at what MAP and RPM does the advance
start, and what is it at a normal cruise setting, and what is it at a high
altitude cruise, etc. This information has always been withheld. We are given
the range 0-42 degrees...I think Lightspeed says 0-40. But, it is the essence
of this dicussion to consider when, and how much, advance is provided at various
settings. This is what I am referring to when I say that the LASAR advance
curve is too aggressive...too much advance comes in too early as MAP is reduced,
and that is what causes the CHTs to run higher than they should.
>
> I firmly believe that with LASAR, by the time you provide enough extra cooling
air to keep your engine at normal, sub 400 degree CHTs, you have caused enough
extra drag to negate the benefit of any extra power you may be getting from
the timing advance. You are also putting more strain on the rod and main bearings
(see the discussion of thetaPP on the GAMI website, and John Deacon's articles
on AVWEB).
>
> I have read (somewhere, maybe on one of these email lists) that the E-mag people
are using a more conservative timing advance curve, and I would leap to the
conclusion that they are aware of these problems.
>
> LASAR, as a certified system, is stuck with what they have. The company won't
put more R&D into the system due to the poor market acceptance on the existing
system...they won't even develop a system for Continentals. They did their
testing on C-172s and various Pipers that provide huge masses of air for cooling
(and go slow). They pushed the timing curve in the attempt to provide more
attractive performance results, and didn't realize what would happen to the tighter
cowled engines in the experimental world.
I agree on every point. Well said.
--
Walter Tondu
http://www.rv7-a.com
Flying!
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| From: | "Jim & Terri Truitt" <jimteri1(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | 8A handling and landing |
I have 240+ hours on my 8A and it is the only RV I have landed (transition
trained in a 6, but no landings). I have landed my 8A in an eighteen knot
direct crosswind (90 degrees) and in 23 knot wind 50 degrees off nose. Not
to say they were the BEST landings, but doable without breaking anything. I
got my pilot's license in a Cherokee 140. I think the 140 is pretty easy
and straightforeward to land. The 8A lands extremely easy, more so than the
140 because it is more responsive and weighs less than the 140. I have
considerable time in other "lighter" experimentals and in ultralights. I
can't imagine it being any easier to land a plane of the same size and
weight as an 8A.
I get a little nose wheel shimmy on landing rollout but it doesn't affect
lateral control or steering. Once planted on the runway, it's easy to keep
it there under control. As far as taxing - forgetaboutit - it's the best.
And I can swing my tail into just about any spot a tail dragger can.
The only downfalls of the nose dragger are two things. First, it IS
possible to drag your rudder if you are not careful under some
circumstamces - like a heavy passenger on a washboard grass strip. With
enough weight in the back seat, a little bump that nudges the nose gear up
when at speed can put the nose high enough to drag the rudder if you are not
careful. I learned this from another 8A pilot and friends before I first
flew my 8A and I have never dragged mine. Being cognizant that it can
happen and quick reactions on the stick make it a non-event.
Second, since the nose gear is less robust than the main gear and does take
a lot of pounding on bumps and under braking, it could break. It should be
protected through good technique. You simply learn to use back stick when
taking off and landing to ease the load on the nose gear. Not unlike some
other nose gear aircraft. I land on the mains and hold the nose gear off as
long as I can. I use back stick when braking. Simple enough.
One other thing that may or may not be an indicator of ease of handling in
the 8A. I have read numerous posts of guys getting only 100 to 150 hours on
their tires before replacement (usually tail draggers). I land and take off
99% of the time on concrete and I still have my original factory tires. I'll
probably get another 40-50 hours out of them. I think a lot has to do with
the ease in landing. Just my 2 cents, YMMV.
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| From: | Edwardoconnor <Edwardoconnor(at)mac.com> |
Just wondered why no messages to this board in over a week.
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| From: | "Jeff Preou" <jeff(at)preou.com> |
My guess is that everyone is over at the forums!
:-)
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Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
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| From: | "Ashby Family Law" <sashby(at)ashbyfamilylaw.com> |
This is my first post, so please excuse me if I err. Last June, I purchased
a pneumatic rivet squeezer from Avery tools. It worked great until lately,
when it petulantly refused to squeeze 1/8 inch rivets. I called Avery Tools
in Fort Worth and Bob Avery called me back. He told me to send him the
squeezer and he would check it out. I sent it to Avery with a letter. In
the last line of the letter, I joked that Bob should lecture the squeezer
and tell him to straighten up and fly right. On Monday, I received the
following e-mail:
Dear Stephen:
I disassembled your squeezer and left him locked up overnight with all the
loose parts in my squeezer parts bin. I threatened him with life without
parole in the parts bin should he not straighten up & fly right. (It's quite
easy to get that here in Texas -- it's called "cowboy justice" and all you
need to get a conviction is to wear cowboy boots & a cowboy hat to court and
present as exhibit "A" a 6 pack of longnecks !!).
The next day I cleaned up all the parts, polished a few key internal parts,
re-greased all the bearings, and reassembled. Gave him a serious talking
to and reminded him what fate awaits him should he return to Texas. I've
had him squeeze a couple dozen 1/8" rivets and he seems to be doing just
fine now. I've included a book for the purpose of reading him his rights,
should he stray and start acting up again. He is on the way back to you
today.
Regards;
Bob Avery
P.S. No charge -- all the other parts in the bin took up a collection to
pay his fine -- seems they don't want him around since he is such a bad
boy!!
Besides being a great humorist, Bob Avery is a stand up guy. I must have
been out of warranty on the squeezer, but Bob came to the rescue at no
charge.
For all of you out there building (or contemplating building) a RV you
really should get a pneumatic squeezer. It is indispensable. And if you
are wondering where to purchase such an implement, Avery tools would be the
obvious answer. A guy with this much devotion (and humor) just has to be
rewarded.
Steve Ashby
Stone Mountain, Georgia
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| From: | "jolly dawson" <jollyd(at)ipns.com> |
what a SUPER LETTER!..avery tools ARE the best...jolly in dallas....OREGON!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashby Family Law" <sashby(at)ashbyfamilylaw.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Avery Tools
>
> This is my first post, so please excuse me if I err. Last June, I
purchased
> a pneumatic rivet squeezer from Avery tools. It worked great until
lately,
> when it petulantly refused to squeeze 1/8 inch rivets. I called Avery
Tools
> in Fort Worth and Bob Avery called me back. He told me to send him the
> squeezer and he would check it out. I sent it to Avery with a letter. In
> the last line of the letter, I joked that Bob should lecture the squeezer
> and tell him to straighten up and fly right. On Monday, I received the
> following e-mail:
>
> Dear Stephen:
>
> I disassembled your squeezer and left him locked up overnight with all
the
> loose parts in my squeezer parts bin. I threatened him with life without
> parole in the parts bin should he not straighten up & fly right. (It's
quite
> easy to get that here in Texas -- it's called "cowboy justice" and all you
> need to get a conviction is to wear cowboy boots & a cowboy hat to court
and
> present as exhibit "A" a 6 pack of longnecks !!).
>
> The next day I cleaned up all the parts, polished a few key internal
parts,
> re-greased all the bearings, and reassembled. Gave him a serious talking
> to and reminded him what fate awaits him should he return to Texas. I've
> had him squeeze a couple dozen 1/8" rivets and he seems to be doing just
> fine now. I've included a book for the purpose of reading him his rights,
> should he stray and start acting up again. He is on the way back to you
> today.
>
> Regards;
>
> Bob Avery
>
> P.S. No charge -- all the other parts in the bin took up a collection to
> pay his fine -- seems they don't want him around since he is such a bad
> boy!!
>
> Besides being a great humorist, Bob Avery is a stand up guy. I must have
> been out of warranty on the squeezer, but Bob came to the rescue at no
> charge.
>
> For all of you out there building (or contemplating building) a RV you
> really should get a pneumatic squeezer. It is indispensable. And if you
> are wondering where to purchase such an implement, Avery tools would be
the
> obvious answer. A guy with this much devotion (and humor) just has to be
> rewarded.
>
> Steve Ashby
>
> Stone Mountain, Georgia
>
>
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| From: | "Frank Stringham" <fstringham(at)hotmail.com> |
Steve and all you other rivet squeezers/bangers
Had a problem with my 90 degree drill that I bought from Avery. Contacted
Bob...he said send it and I will check it out. He did! Sent it back ASAP.
Has worked great since.
Avery is the best. Bye the way the 90 degree drill is off probabtion, but I
understand is in a witness protection program because of rating out a bad
squeezer bought from rival gang .
Frank @ SGU and SLC... RV7A 75% complete 150% to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>From: "Ashby Family Law" <sashby(at)ashbyfamilylaw.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RV8-List: Avery Tools
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:36:36 -0500
>
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