RV8-Archive.digest.vol-aj
March 25, 2006 - January 12, 2007
RV8-Archive.digest.vol-aj
March 25, 2006 - January 12, 2007
>
>
>This is my first post, so please excuse me if I err. Last June, I
>purchased
>a pneumatic rivet squeezer from Avery tools. It worked great until lately,
>when it petulantly refused to squeeze 1/8 inch rivets. I called Avery
>Tools
>in Fort Worth and Bob Avery called me back. He told me to send him the
>squeezer and he would check it out. I sent it to Avery with a letter. In
>the last line of the letter, I joked that Bob should lecture the squeezer
>and tell him to straighten up and fly right. On Monday, I received the
>following e-mail:
>
>Dear Stephen:
>
> I disassembled your squeezer and left him locked up overnight with all
>the
>loose parts in my squeezer parts bin. I threatened him with life without
>parole in the parts bin should he not straighten up & fly right. (It's
>quite
>easy to get that here in Texas -- it's called "cowboy justice" and all you
>need to get a conviction is to wear cowboy boots & a cowboy hat to court
>and
>present as exhibit "A" a 6 pack of longnecks !!).
>
> The next day I cleaned up all the parts, polished a few key internal
>parts,
>re-greased all the bearings, and reassembled. Gave him a serious talking
>to and reminded him what fate awaits him should he return to Texas. I've
>had him squeeze a couple dozen 1/8" rivets and he seems to be doing just
>fine now. I've included a book for the purpose of reading him his rights,
>should he stray and start acting up again. He is on the way back to you
>today.
>
> Regards;
>
> Bob Avery
>
> P.S. No charge -- all the other parts in the bin took up a collection to
>pay his fine -- seems they don't want him around since he is such a bad
>boy!!
>
> Besides being a great humorist, Bob Avery is a stand up guy. I must have
>been out of warranty on the squeezer, but Bob came to the rescue at no
>charge.
>
>For all of you out there building (or contemplating building) a RV you
>really should get a pneumatic squeezer. It is indispensable. And if you
>are wondering where to purchase such an implement, Avery tools would be the
>obvious answer. A guy with this much devotion (and humor) just has to be
>rewarded.
>
>Steve Ashby
>
>Stone Mountain, Georgia
>
>
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Date: Mar 25, 2006
From: Cory Emberson <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Feedback Request (Alternative Engines) Kitplanes Magazine
Hello all,
I would like to hear from you if you're a builder who has successfully
installed and flown an alternative engine in your plane. I'm compiling a
builder's roundup for Kitplanes magazine, and am looking for an
installation that's flown for a minimum of 300 hours, and is currently
flying.
For the builders that we profile, the magazine will also be able to pay
you $100 for the write-up. I'll be at Sun 'n Fun until late morning on
Friday (April 7), so if you fly in, I'd be happy to take the photos
there. If not, we would also need at least 2-3 good photos, including a
close-up of the engine and an overall shot of the aircraft. Additional
photos would be great, and all photos will be returned. If you have
digital photos, it is very important that they be high-resolution, at
least 300 dpi. I have a list of specific areas to address if you'd like
to participate, but we can handle that off-line. Please feel free to
contact me off-line at: bootless (at) earthlink (dot) net (my despammed
email address).
Thank you so much!
best,
Cory Emberson
Contributing Editor
Kitplanes Magazine
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From: "Nic" <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Subject: Fw: NoseOver - nearly !
Date: Mar 26, 2006
A gusty 20-25 knot wind quartering on the tail swung my RV8 badly today
whilst I was backtracking solo on our grass strip.
In order to keep the trusty RV from swinging off the runway I applied a dab
of opposite brake, at which point the tailwheel lifted dramatically and the
aircraft came within a hairs breath of nosing right onto the ground. Only a
very quick reduction in power to idle stopped a very expensive prang.
I was then unable to move the aircraft without help ! With a passenger and
rearward cofg I would have been able to keep the plane straight with dabs of
brake and full rudder without the danger of nosing over, but solo it was
another matter.
I have heard that some pilots refrain from power checks because of nose-over
problems when operating solo, but I wondered if anyone had experienced high
tailwind / crosswind problems when taxiing.
Any suggestions and assistance appreciated. Rgds, Nic
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Joel Harding <cajole76(at)ispwest.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: NoseOver - nearly !
Date: Mar 26, 2006
Nic,
I can see that operating on a grass strip would put you in a bit of a
box because of the increased power requirement for taxi. I really
haven't had any problems so far, but I haven't operated from any
grass strips either.
I'm curious where you had the elevator positioned during this ordeal,
and how you think it affected the outcome? I guess theoretically if
the power is near idle the stick should be forward, but at some point
as you increase the power and it overcomes the effect of the tailwind
you should reverse it, but I don't know of any good way to tell when
that would be, other than the tail lifting off.
Joel Harding
On Mar 26, 2006, at 12:18 PM, Nic wrote:
>
> A gusty 20-25 knot wind quartering on the tail swung my RV8 badly
> today
> whilst I was backtracking solo on our grass strip.
>
> In order to keep the trusty RV from swinging off the runway I
> applied a dab
> of opposite brake, at which point the tailwheel lifted dramatically
> and the
> aircraft came within a hairs breath of nosing right onto the
> ground. Only a
> very quick reduction in power to idle stopped a very expensive prang.
>
> I was then unable to move the aircraft without help ! With a
> passenger and
> rearward cofg I would have been able to keep the plane straight
> with dabs of
> brake and full rudder without the danger of nosing over, but solo
> it was
> another matter.
>
> I have heard that some pilots refrain from power checks because of
> nose-over
> problems when operating solo, but I wondered if anyone had
> experienced high
> tailwind / crosswind problems when taxiing.
>
> Any suggestions and assistance appreciated. Rgds, Nic
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Email List Wiki!
Dear Listers,
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "D,C,Jones" <cliffjones(at)look.ca>
Date: Apr 05, 2006
Subject: TruTrak ADI
I'm at a point where I'm assembling a list of instruments that I will need and/or
like. I'm looking at the TruTrak ADI Basic. Could anyone with information,
positive or negative on its use and operation, please email me?
Thanks.
Cliff RV9A
fuse
cliffjones(at)look.ca
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From: "Tom Schad" <schad(at)cooke.net>
Subject: Re: TruTrak ADI
Date: Apr 05, 2006
I have one in my RV-8 and it works great. It is hooked to a KMD 150 GPS
Moving map. I wish I would have installed altitude hold and will do it
before long. You might consider doing both. Tom Schad N558TX
----- Original Message -----
From: "D,C,Jones" <cliffjones(at)look.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:33 PM
Subject: RV8-List: TruTrak ADI
>
> I'm at a point where I'm assembling a list of instruments that I will need
> and/or like. I'm looking at the TruTrak ADI Basic. Could anyone with
> information, positive or negative on its use and operation, please email
> me?
> Thanks.
> Cliff RV9A
> fuse
> cliffjones(at)look.ca
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: DONKEYVET(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 21, 2006
Subject: New MT 2 blade CS Prop?
Dear Listers,
Anybody have any experience or comments on the new MT 2blade Metal CS prop?
It's supposed to be lighter than the Hartzel an supposedly quieter, smoother
and no RPM restrictions. I was sitting on the fence between that and the
Whirlwind 200RV and the Whirlwind 151.
Pros:
* Cheaper ($1100) than WW but price doesn't include assembly once shipped
from Germany so it maybe about the same.
*MT is an established company and service network (WW just sold to Titan
Aircraft). Future of Whirlwind service??
Cons:
*Heavier (I think) than WW 200RV and certainly more than WW 151 although
still lighter than Hatrzel.
* 3 blade WW151 is by far sexier (I won't lie, it does matter although just a
little)
*Lengthy delivery times on MT's. I have engine already.
Both MT and WW have nicely finished plug and play spinners specific for RV's
and neither have any RPM restrictions. I read through Randy Levrold's
excellent prop discussion and was impressed with his thoughts on the 200RV.
Any thoughts from anyone with either of these installed? I've ruled out Aero
Composites and other MT's only because of price. $7500 would be about the
limit since a rebuilt Hartzel was my original plan. Maybe the new Hartzel blended
airfoil prop?? I would be greatfull for any guidance.
Dennis Flosi, RV-8 finishing kit
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 21, 2006
From: Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com>
Subject: Re: New MT 2 blade CS Prop?
DONKEYVET(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
>Dear Listers,
>
>Anybody have any experience or comments on the new MT 2blade Metal CS prop?
>It's supposed to be lighter than the Hartzel an supposedly quieter, smoother
>and no RPM restrictions. I was sitting on the fence between that and the
>Whirlwind 200RV and the Whirlwind 151.
>Pros:
>* Cheaper ($1100) than WW but price doesn't include assembly once shipped
>from Germany so it maybe about the same.
>*MT is an established company and service network (WW just sold to Titan
>Aircraft). Future of Whirlwind service??
>Cons:
>*Heavier (I think) than WW 200RV and certainly more than WW 151 although
>still lighter than Hatrzel.
>* 3 blade WW151 is by far sexier (I won't lie, it does matter although just a
>little)
>*Lengthy delivery times on MT's. I have engine already.
>
>Both MT and WW have nicely finished plug and play spinners specific for RV's
>and neither have any RPM restrictions. I read through Randy Levrold's
>excellent prop discussion and was impressed with his thoughts on the 200RV.
>
>Any thoughts from anyone with either of these installed? I've ruled out Aero
>Composites and other MT's only because of price. $7500 would be about the
>limit since a rebuilt Hartzel was my original plan. Maybe the new Hartzel blended
>airfoil prop?? I would be greatfull for any guidance.
>
>Dennis Flosi, RV-8 finishing kit
>
>
You might check out the current issue of the RVator. Van's ended up
replacing one rather than ship it back to Germany for re-building.
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A, getting ready to flip the canoe.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 22, 2006
Subject: Re: New MT 2 blade CS Prop?
The MTV-15-B/183-402 aluminum 2 blade MT propeller can be shipped
disassembled directly to the purchaser in the USA for $410. Assembly only requires
that you install the spinner dome.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
_www.lessdrag.com_ (http://www.lessdrag.com)
In a message dated 04/21/2006 4:48:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
DONKEYVET(at)aol.com writes:
--> RV8-List message posted by: _DONKEYVET(at)aol.com_
(mailto:DONKEYVET(at)aol.com)
Dear Listers,
Anybody have any experience or comments on the new MT 2blade Metal CS prop?
It's supposed to be lighter than the Hartzel an supposedly quieter, smoother
and no RPM restrictions. I was sitting on the fence between that and the
Whirlwind 200RV and the Whirlwind 151.
Pros:
* Cheaper ($1100) than WW but price doesn't include assembly once shipped
from Germany so it maybe about the same.
*MT is an established company and service network (WW just sold to Titan
Aircraft). Future of Whirlwind service??
Cons:
*Heavier (I think) than WW 200RV and certainly more than WW 151 although
still lighter than Hatrzel.
* 3 blade WW151 is by far sexier (I won't lie, it does matter although just
a
little)
*Lengthy delivery times on MT's. I have engine already.
Both MT and WW have nicely finished plug and play spinners specific for RV's
and neither have any RPM restrictions. I read through Randy Levrold's
excellent prop discussion and was impressed with his thoughts on the 200RV.
Any thoughts from anyone with either of these installed? I've ruled out
Aero
Composites and other MT's only because of price. $7500 would be about the
limit since a rebuilt Hartzel was my original plan. Maybe the new Hartzel
blended
airfoil prop?? I would be greatfull for any guidance.
Dennis Flosi, RV-8 finishing kit
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: IO390 & Finishing Kit
Date: May 03, 2006
From: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com>
I am building an RV8 for use up in the mountains. Normally I would
turbocharge but that is not a simple option for the RV. So we have
decided to put in a larger engine and "de-rate" it for SL to 200 HP,
giving us a little more performance to cross the mountains at 16,000'.
=20
We have also decided to go light up front wherever possible to offset
the weight and moment of the bigger engine. These include:
=20
- Grove Landing gear (-18#, maybe some speed gain)
- Aerocomposite CS prop (-30#)
- James Cowl and Plenum (no change, but 10-15K speed gain)
- James Wheel Pants
- Rear battery
=20
Does anyone know the best way to order the finishing kit and avoid extra
parts from Vans? Do you have any recommendations for changes?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: May 03, 2006
Subject: Re: IO390 & Finishing Kit
Hi Dan,
IMHO, you'll need to add dual electronic ignition in place of the Mag's.
One of the Lycoming engineers told me that the 360 engine with a light
propeller brings the accessory case gear harmonics below the 2700 RPM level.
It
doesn't damage the gears, but the Mag's and fuel pump don't last very long in
this environment. This could apply equally to the 390 engine with the light
propeller.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 05/03/2006 7:40:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com writes:
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle"
I am building an RV8 for use up in the mountains. Normally I would
turbocharge but that is not a simple option for the RV. So we have
decided to put in a larger engine and "de-rate" it for SL to 200 HP,
giving us a little more performance to cross the mountains at 16,000'.
=20
We have also decided to go light up front wherever possible to offset
the weight and moment of the bigger engine. These include:
=20
- Grove Landing gear (-18#, maybe some speed gain)
- Aerocomposite CS prop (-30#)
- James Cowl and Plenum (no change, but 10-15K speed gain)
- James Wheel Pants
- Rear battery
=20
Does anyone know the best way to order the finishing kit and avoid extra
parts from Vans? Do you have any recommendations for changes?
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: IO390 & Finishing Kit
Date: May 03, 2006
From: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com>
Thanks. Which ignition do you recommend?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: IO390 & Finishing Kit
Hi Dan,
IMHO, you'll need to add dual electronic ignition in place of the
Mag's.
One of the Lycoming engineers told me that the 360 engine with a light
propeller brings the accessory case gear harmonics below the 2700 RPM
level. It
doesn't damage the gears, but the Mag's and fuel pump don't last very
long in
this environment. This could apply equally to the 390 engine with the
light
propeller.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 05/03/2006 7:40:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com writes:
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle"
I am building an RV8 for use up in the mountains. Normally I would
turbocharge but that is not a simple option for the RV. So we have
decided to put in a larger engine and "de-rate" it for SL to 200 HP,
giving us a little more performance to cross the mountains at 16,000'.
=20
We have also decided to go light up front wherever possible to offset
the weight and moment of the bigger engine. These include:
=20
- Grove Landing gear (-18#, maybe some speed gain)
- Aerocomposite CS prop (-30#)
- James Cowl and Plenum (no change, but 10-15K speed gain)
- James Wheel Pants
- Rear battery
=20
Does anyone know the best way to order the finishing kit and avoid
extra
parts from Vans? Do you have any recommendations for changes?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: May 03, 2006
Subject: Re: Electronic Ignition (was IO390 & Finishing Kit)
Hi Dan,
I don't have a recommendation.
I'm a distributor for the ElecrtoAire. Also, Lightspeeed is a local company
that I like. But I'm really interested in the development of the P-Mag.
The ElectroAire and the Lightspeed electronic ignition systems both need
extra care with the electrical system. So no single point failure causes the
loose of all electrical power (and the engine noise).
The P-mag (available for 4 cylinder, but not 6 cyl. yet) is independent of
the electrical system above 900 RPM. They seem to be getting past the
problems that are typical in the early production phase of a product. One of
the
local pilots has an E-mag and a P-mag on his Lancair. I'm watching for his
success.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 05/03/2006 8:32:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com writes:
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle"
Thanks. Which ignition do you recommend?
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: James Cowl
Date: May 08, 2006
From: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com>
I have heard great things about the James Cowl for RV8 from one lister.
I wonder if others have tried this and what the results are. It makes a
lot of sense to me. The claim is less drag > higher speed, very
believable. But are these results real?
I tried to order a finish kit from Van's and they poo-pooed the whole
notion. Specifically, I want to switch to:
- Grove Landing Gear
- James Cowl & Plenum
- James Fairings
- AC Prop
I am after light weight and speed without compromising the other specs
of the airplane. Weight up front to move CG back, allowing for CS
prop... Speed... Just because.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 08, 2006
From: "Blake Lewis" <blake.lewis(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: James Cowl
On 5/8/06, Dan Beadle wrote:
>
> I tried to order a finish kit from Van's and they poo-pooed the whole
> notion. Specifically, I want to switch to:
>
How did Van's "poo-poo" the idea?
Blake C. Lewis
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mauri Morin" <maurv8(at)bresnan.net>
Subject: Re: James Cowl
Date: May 08, 2006
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: James Cowl
Date: May 08, 2006
From: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com>
Basically, they sent a couple emails indicating that 46 more HP would be
required to get the speed improvements that James claims. I agree that
you can go faster with more HP but generally faster is from less drag -
one of the reasons that the tandem RVs are so fast.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Blake Lewis
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: James Cowl
On 5/8/06, Dan Beadle wrote:
>
> I tried to order a finish kit from Van's and they poo-pooed the whole
> notion. Specifically, I want to switch to:
>
How did Van's "poo-poo" the idea?
Blake C. Lewis
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711(at)msn.com>
Subject: James Cowl
Date: May 08, 2006
Dan
The increase in speed with the James cowl is difficult to quantify. The 8s
around here with it report little if any difference. You will get a bigger
increase with power/prop improvements. If you like the look of the James
cowl by all means go for it. The stock setup built properly is a good
system, only a little less efficient than the plenum system. The idea of
increased cooling efficiency and reduced cooling drag is a good one but
there are a lot of unrealistic expectations out there. Build it light and
build it straight (hard not to) and you will have a great performing
airplane. Also every time you change something the law of unintended
consequences comes in play and you will add months, even years to the
project. On the other hand the way you want it is the perfect way to build
an airplane. Have fun.
Paul Schattauer
RV 8 808PS
(the red "8"you click to get into Vans web site)
>From: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RV8-List: James Cowl
>Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 08:07:31 -0700
>
>
>
>I have heard great things about the James Cowl for RV8 from one lister.
>I wonder if others have tried this and what the results are. It makes a
>lot of sense to me. The claim is less drag > higher speed, very
>believable. But are these results real?
>
>
>I tried to order a finish kit from Van's and they poo-pooed the whole
>notion. Specifically, I want to switch to:
>
>
>- Grove Landing Gear
>
>- James Cowl & Plenum
>
>- James Fairings
>
>- AC Prop
>
>
>I am after light weight and speed without compromising the other specs
>of the airplane. Weight up front to move CG back, allowing for CS
>prop... Speed... Just because.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "gordon or marge" <gcomfo(at)tc3net.com>
Subject: James Cowl
Date: May 08, 2006
Subject: RV8-List: James Cowl
-->
I have heard great things about the James Cowl for RV8 from one lister. I
wonder if others have tried this and what the results are. It makes a lot
of sense to me. The claim is less drag > higher speed, very believable.
But are these results real?
I tried to order a finish kit from Van's and they poo-pooed the whole
notion. Specifically, I want to switch to:
- Grove Landing Gear
- James Cowl & Plenum
- James Fairings
- AC Prop
Dan: The answer to the question regarding lower drag with the James cowl is
another question: Compared to what? The advantage possible with the James
lies mainly in a few areas. The big one is air leaks in the cooling system.
Another is the placement of the inlets away from the boundary layer around
the spinner. Another is perhaps some improvement in parasite drag due to
its shape. With regard to air leaks a plenum connected to the inlets with
the radiused rings and flexible conduit may be better than a baffle system.
I say "may" because a plenum must be well sealed in order to do its best.
The use of piano hinges to assemble the cover, unless a seal can be
incorporated, will compromise the system. Other fastening methods could be
better. A well executed baffle system will do as well. At the inlets, the
James cowl may be better but it may be difficult to measure the difference
between it and a good conventional system. With regard to the inlet
location, the area between the inlets and the spinner can be clumsy and the
advantage is hard to estimate. With regard to inlet shape, Raspet used
round inlets because they were easy to calculate, not because he thought
round had significant advantages. When A.J.Smith and Len Niemi built the
AJ-2 they used a conventional system and the engine was well cooled and the
bird was fast. Could it have been faster with a plenum? Perhaps, but not
by much. When Commander Aircraft redesigned their bird Smith did the
cooling system and he did not choose round inlets. That is not to say that
round inlets are bad, only that other shapes are not bad either. Not many
formula one airplanes use round inlets. One other possible plus for the
James cowl is its effect on power available. If the in line inlet, filter,
servo combination is better than the snorkle, that could be part of the
apparent difference. Your guess is as good as mine but just looking at it
it seem reasonable that the James might be better.On the RV-8 with the angle
valve 360 or 390 engine, the extra prop extension needed with the James
moves the CG forward. An Aerocomposites or MT prop is helpful when weighed
against a Hartzell. A plenum must be disassembled to service the top of the
engine, a minor inconvenience.
I know of no systematic testing program that has addressed these issues. It
would be difficult to compare the James cowl with Van's stock cowl because
of the prop extension difference. It might be easier with the 180hp because
both use the inline carb air intake but the need to use a different prop
would mask the results. With the 200hp fwf, the combustion air intake
differences and prop setforward difference would be a chore to overcome. It
is not simple and I've only touched on some of it. As a practical matter it
comes down to your personal preference. What you believe is better, your
choice of aesthetic qualities, operational convenience and your willingness
to experiment will influence your decision. As for me, my -8 will have an
AC prop, no plenum and Van's stock 200hp cowl modified with a inline engine
air/filtering system. Maybe I'll regret it. Only time will tell.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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Date: May 08, 2006
From: "Wlively" <wlively(at)gvtc.com>
Subject: James Cowl
>From what I hear, the James cowl is alot of work to get it fitted correctly.
That is why, if I am going to spend alot of work I might as well do it all
myself. I am going to build my own plenum and modify the cowl inlets.
>From the NASA paper the major reason for round inlets, is that round gave
the same amount of air with different anglkes of relative wind and a round
shape is the most area for least space. So I agree, nothing majic about
being round. Plenum systems, if done right, are more effecient than stock.
Just look at Dave Anders RV-4. But you must think about not only the air
going it, but the air going out. The inlet/outlet ratios and configurations
are important.
For good reading see this website.
http://www.n91cz.com/cooling/webCowlrep.htm
An Aero eng and Lancair builder flew stock, then built a new cowl and plenum
and reports his findings. He also took alot of pressure test data inside the
cowl and there is a link to the NASA paper on engine cooling design.
Good Luck,
Wade Lively
-8, finishing
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From: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: James Cowl
Date: May 09, 2006
Hi All-
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned is the effect an SJ cowl has on
acro. Recall the cracking issues around the lightening holes in the Lyc
crank prop flanges when those cranks were used in hard acro. A prop
extension will only make that tendency worse. While I'm sure nobody is
actually going to do hard acro in an RV, a heavy CS prop on the end of an
extension might cause cracking over time with 'light' acro, whatever that
is.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Anton" <bnanton(at)pld.com>
Subject: Sam James Cowl
Date: May 10, 2006
I'm close to finishing my RV-8 and have chosen to install the SJ cowl,
plenum, and wheel pants. I am using the 200hp Lycoming IO360 A1B6 in
conjunction with the Whirlwind 200RV prop. The first -8 cowl was received 6
months ago and we've just begun the installation. The cowl will not work
without a prop extension without extensive fiberglass work. Will James
directed me to a company called Sabre Manufacturing that machines a very
beautiful prop extension. In speaking with the owner, he assures me that
there will be no prop restrictions with the use of this extension and that
they have never had a problem with this. I have heard that the heavier
Hartzell CS prop could have some restriction with an extension. You should
check with Sabre Mfg for their input.
The original cowling would not fit the engine and Will James is in the
process of redesigning the cowling to fit the RV-8 with the 200hp lyc. He
has changed the design, including materials used, to create a lighter and
stronger cowling than previously offered. The plenum with baffling has been
installed and looks great. At this point I can't answer any of the
questions regarding increased speed etc. I chose the SJ products because I
like the appearance and wanted something a little different. Hopefully,
there will be some speed and/or economy benefits. It will be difficult to
quantify without apple to apple comparisons which are hard to come by with
all the different ways the RVs are built.
Bill
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From: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RV8-List: James Cowl
Hi All-
One thing that I haven't seen mentioned is the effect an SJ cowl has on
acro. Recall the cracking issues around the lightening holes in the Lyc
crank prop flanges when those cranks were used in hard acro. A prop
extension will only make that tendency worse. While I'm sure nobody is
actually going to do hard acro in an RV, a heavy CS prop on the end of an
extension might cause cracking over time with 'light' acro, whatever that
is.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2006
From: Robert Sultzbach <endspeed(at)YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Prop extensions versus prop weight and Acrobatics
Hi Bill,
I too will be running a Sam James cowl on my 8A. I
have chosen an ACI prop which is composite for those
unaware of them. With all the back and forth going on
on this board about prop extensions I decided to call
the prop designer about any problems I might encounter
with acro and the engine crankshaft. He told me it
was a non issue because of the lightness of the
composite prop. He actually performed some
engineering and calculated some of the stresses out
for me as we spoke. He said it was not a factor using
the ACI prop which is 17 lbs. lighter than the
Hartzell. He did mention the heavier metal prop could
become problematic with an extension vis a vis acro
but did not run any calculations. The moral of the
story is the guys with light composite props probably
don't have to worry about their prop extensions.
Fly safely,
Bob Sultzbach
--- Bill Anton wrote:
>
>
> I'm close to finishing my RV-8 and have chosen to
> install the SJ cowl,
> plenum, and wheel pants. I am using the 200hp
> Lycoming IO360 A1B6 in
> conjunction with the Whirlwind 200RV prop. The first
> -8 cowl was received 6
> months ago and we've just begun the installation.
> The cowl will not work
> without a prop extension without extensive
> fiberglass work. Will James
> directed me to a company called Sabre Manufacturing
> that machines a very
> beautiful prop extension. In speaking with the
> owner, he assures me that
> there will be no prop restrictions with the use of
> this extension and that
> they have never had a problem with this. I have
> heard that the heavier
> Hartzell CS prop could have some restriction with an
> extension. You should
> check with Sabre Mfg for their input.
>
> The original cowling would not fit the engine and
> Will James is in the
> process of redesigning the cowling to fit the RV-8
> with the 200hp lyc. He
> has changed the design, including materials used, to
> create a lighter and
> stronger cowling than previously offered. The
> plenum with baffling has been
> installed and looks great. At this point I can't
> answer any of the
> questions regarding increased speed etc. I chose
> the SJ products because I
> like the appearance and wanted something a little
> different. Hopefully,
> there will be some speed and/or economy benefits.
> It will be difficult to
> quantify without apple to apple comparisons which
> are hard to come by with
> all the different ways the RVs are built.
>
> Bill
>
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> 1. 03:54 AM - James Cowl (Glen Matejcek)
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> From: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: RV8-List: James Cowl
>
>
>
> Hi All-
>
> One thing that I haven't seen mentioned is the
> effect an SJ cowl has on
> acro. Recall the cracking issues around the
> lightening holes in the Lyc
> crank prop flanges when those cranks were used in
> hard acro. A prop
> extension will only make that tendency worse. While
> I'm sure nobody is
> actually going to do hard acro in an RV, a heavy CS
> prop on the end of an
> extension might cause cracking over time with
> 'light' acro, whatever that
> is.
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From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: May 11, 2006
Subject: Re: Prop extensions versus prop weight and Acrobatics
There is the MT Propeller. It is a bolt on propeller and spinner assembly
that matches the Sam James cowl.
No prop extension required. No aerobatic restrictions.
There is an option of counterweighted blades to protect your engine and
propeller from overspeeding during "zero" G and vertical maneuvers.
It is also less expensive than the AC propeller.
Just make certain that you provide the correct cowl spacing. Van's cowl
installs at about 1 1/2", and the Sam James cowl installs at about 3 7/8".
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Custom Aircraft Propellers
A division of Less Drag Products, Inc. - An MT Propeller distributor
Certified propellers custom designed for the experimental.
In a message dated 05/11/2006 7:05:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
endspeed(at)YAHOO.COM writes:
--> RV8-List message posted by: Robert Sultzbach
Hi Bill,
I too will be running a Sam James cowl on my 8A. I
have chosen an ACI prop which is composite for those
unaware of them. With all the back and forth going on
on this board about prop extensions I decided to call
the prop designer about any problems I might encounter
with acro and the engine crankshaft. He told me it
was a non issue because of the lightness of the
composite prop. He actually performed some
engineering and calculated some of the stresses out
for me as we spoke. He said it was not a factor using
the ACI prop which is 17 lbs. lighter than the
Hartzell. He did mention the heavier metal prop could
become problematic with an extension vis a vis acro
but did not run any calculations. The moral of the
story is the guys with light composite props probably
don't have to worry about their prop extensions.
Fly safely,
Bob Sultzbach
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 11, 2006
From: Robert Sultzbach <endspeed(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Prop extensions versus prop weight and Acrobatics
Good Point about the no prop extension required. My
ACI prop doesn't need an extension either however, to
be honest it is an extended hub. It has to be to work
with the Sam James Cowl. The distance required is a
fixed distance for any Sam James cowl. You can get
there with either a prop extension on a std prop hub
or an extended hub. I hope this clarifies the last
post. Bob
--- LessDragProd(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> There is the MT Propeller. It is a bolt on
> propeller and spinner assembly
> that matches the Sam James cowl.
> No prop extension required. No aerobatic
> restrictions.
> There is an option of counterweighted blades to
> protect your engine and
> propeller from overspeeding during "zero" G and
> vertical maneuvers.
> It is also less expensive than the AC propeller.
>
> Just make certain that you provide the correct cowl
> spacing. Van's cowl
> installs at about 1 1/2", and the Sam James cowl
> installs at about 3 7/8".
>
> Regards,
> Jim Ayers
> Custom Aircraft Propellers
> A division of Less Drag Products, Inc. - An MT
> Propeller distributor
> Certified propellers custom designed for the
> experimental.
>
> In a message dated 05/11/2006 7:05:37 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> endspeed(at)YAHOO.COM writes:
>
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Robert Sultzbach
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I too will be running a Sam James cowl on my 8A. I
> have chosen an ACI prop which is composite for
> those
> unaware of them. With all the back and forth going
> on
> on this board about prop extensions I decided to
> call
> the prop designer about any problems I might
> encounter
> with acro and the engine crankshaft. He told me it
> was a non issue because of the lightness of the
> composite prop. He actually performed some
> engineering and calculated some of the stresses out
> for me as we spoke. He said it was not a factor
> using
> the ACI prop which is 17 lbs. lighter than the
> Hartzell. He did mention the heavier metal prop
> could
> become problematic with an extension vis a vis acro
> but did not run any calculations. The moral of the
> story is the guys with light composite props
> probably
> don't have to worry about their prop extensions.
>
> Fly safely,
> Bob Sultzbach
>
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> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
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Date: May 16, 2006
From: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Panel For Sale
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From: Jamesmdsherry(at)aol.com
Date: May 18, 2006
Subject: Different Cowl
I am changing my engine choice and need a different lower cowl for my -8. I
am installing an IO 360 vs an O 360. Van wants $445 plus over $ 200 to ship
the cowl. Does anyone have a lower cowl that they are willing to trade.
Thanks Jim Sherry
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 22, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics BBS Forums
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Subject: Aft Battery
Date: May 26, 2006
From: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com>
I am going to mount the battery in my RV8 aft of the baggage area. Vans
wiring kit suggests airframe grounding. Bob Knuckles Z Diagrams
recommend a separate (but heavy) ground cable from the battery to the
engine mount. =20
=20
I am considering a separate ground run. I am also considering a
separate ground for accessories (strobes, Nav, landing lights, pitot,
etc.)=20
=20
Is this worth the extra weight? What are other builders doing?=20
=20
I was burned by the lack of a ground run in my StormScope installation
in another airplane, but don't intend to have one in this airplane. So
am I being overly cautious at the expense of precious payload?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Searle, Alan" <searle(at)mansfield.net.au>
Subject: Re: Aft Battery
Date: May 27, 2006
Hi Dan,
On my almost completed RV8,I have the rear battery and have run a separate
ground cable to the firewall. My suggestion is to do the same, especially
if you intend to use a 17 AH battery like the oddessy.
Cheers ..... Alan Searle ..... Australia.
Dan Beadle writes:
>
> I am going to mount the battery in my RV8 aft of the baggage area. Vans
> wiring kit suggests airframe grounding. Bob Knuckles Z Diagrams
> recommend a separate (but heavy) ground cable from the battery to the
> engine mount. =20
>
> =20
>
> I am considering a separate ground run. I am also considering a
> separate ground for accessories (strobes, Nav, landing lights, pitot,
> etc.)=20
>
> =20
>
> Is this worth the extra weight? What are other builders doing?=20
>
> =20
>
> I was burned by the lack of a ground run in my StormScope installation
> in another airplane, but don't intend to have one in this airplane. So
> am I being overly cautious at the expense of precious payload?
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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From: MLWynn(at)aol.com
Date: May 26, 2006
Subject: Re: Aft Battery
Hey, Alan
What do you suppose the weight penalty is for the cable runs? I am building
an RV 8, was planning to use dual batteries and am trying to figure out
where to put them. I understand that RV 8's have a tendency to be nose heavy,
especially with a CS prop. It certainly looks like running a ground to the
engine would be a good idea. I suppose if you put both batteries behind the
back seat you could run one big ground and two hot lines. Just curious about
the weight penalty involved.
Regards.
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Wings (tanks)
San Ramon, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard McBride" <rickrv8(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Aft Battery
Date: May 26, 2006
I designed my electrical system in my -8 based upon Bob's =
recommendations. I am using two Odyssey batteries mounted in the back =
primary for the dual electronic ignition. Contrary to Bob's advice to =
ground at the firewall, I grounded both batteries to the nearby =
longerons. Operationally, the electrical system has worked fine and I =
have experienced no noise in the communication radios or other avionics.
Rick McBride=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: MLWynn(at)aol.com<mailto:MLWynn(at)aol.com>=20
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com=20
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Aft Battery
Hey, Alan
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out =20
where to put them. I understand that RV 8's have a tendency to be =
nose heavy,=20
especially with a CS prop. It certainly looks like running a ground =
to the=20
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behind the=20
back seat you could run one big ground and two hot lines. Just =
curious about=20
the weight penalty involved.
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Regards.
=20
Michael Wynn
RV 8 Wings (tanks)
San Ramon, CA
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From: "Searle, Alan" <searle(at)mansfield.net.au>
Subject: Re: Aft Battery
Date: May 27, 2006
Michael,
I have not done any calculations on the weight penalty of the extra ground
cable. However I have considered the situation if I chose to put the
battery at the firewall. As I have a 200HP Lycoming with C/S prop, the
aircraft would be too nose heavy for solo flight and would require ballast
in the aft baggage area.
Therefore, in my case, with the battery at the rear, the extra weight is of
no consequence. (just the extra weight).
Cheers ..... Alan.
MLWynn(at)aol.com writes:
>
> Hey, Alan
>
> What do you suppose the weight penalty is for the cable runs? I am building
> an RV 8, was planning to use dual batteries and am trying to figure out
> where to put them. I understand that RV 8's have a tendency to be nose heavy,
> especially with a CS prop. It certainly looks like running a ground to the
> engine would be a good idea. I suppose if you put both batteries behind the
> back seat you could run one big ground and two hot lines. Just curious about
> the weight penalty involved.
>
> Regards.
>
> Michael Wynn
> RV 8 Wings (tanks)
> San Ramon, CA
>
>
>
>
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From: luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky)
Subject: Re: Aft Battery
Date: May 27, 2006
Rick,
Where did you mount your strobe pack(s) and where/how did you ground them.
I have a situation where as soon as I fire up all the electronics and the Strobes
and the first time my radio receives a transmission after startup, I go from
wonderful silence in my headsets to faint pulse noise that coincides with the
strobes firing off.
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Richard McBride" <rickrv8(at)msn.com>
>
> I designed my electrical system in my -8 based upon Bob's =
> recommendations. I am using two Odyssey batteries mounted in the back =
> primary for the dual electronic ignition. Contrary to Bob's advice to =
> ground at the firewall, I grounded both batteries to the nearby =
> longerons. Operationally, the electrical system has worked fine and I =
> have experienced no noise in the communication radios or other avionics.
>
> Rick McBride=20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: MLWynn(at)aol.com=20
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com=20
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Aft Battery
>
>
>
> Hey, Alan
> =20
> What do you suppose the weight penalty is for the cable runs? I am =
> building=20
> an RV 8, was planning to use dual batteries and am trying to figure =
> out =20
> where to put them. I understand that RV 8's have a tendency to be =
> nose heavy,=20
> especially with a CS prop. It certainly looks like running a ground =
> to the=20
> engine would be a good idea. I suppose if you put both batteries =
> behind the=20
> back seat you could run one big ground and two hot lines. Just =
> curious about=20
> the weight penalty involved.
> =20
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Rick,
Where did you mount your strobe pack(s) and where/how did you ground them.
I have a situation where as soon as I fire up all the electronics and the
Strobes and the first time my radio receives a transmission after startup,
I go from wonderful silence in my headsets to faint pulse noise that coincides
with the strobes firing off.
lucky
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Richard McBride" <rickrv8(at)msn.com> <BR><BR>> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Richard McBride" <RICKRV8(at)MSN.COM><BR>> <BR>> I designed my electrical system in my -8 based upon Bob's = <BR>> recommendations. I am using two Odyssey batteries mounted in the back = <BR>> primary for the dual electronic ignition. Contrary to Bob's advice to = <BR>> ground at the firewall, I grounded both batteries to the nearby = <BR>> longerons. Operationally, the electrical system has worked fine and I = <BR>> have experienced no noise in the communication radios or other avionics. <BR>> <BR>> Rick McBride=20 <BR>> ----- Original Message -----=20 <BR>> From: MLWynn(at)aol.com<mailto:MLWynn(at)aol.com>=20 <BR>> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com<mailto:rv8-list(at)matronics.com>=20 <BR>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 7:04
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From: James Freeman <flyeyes(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Aft Battery
Date: May 27, 2006
I thought I'd add my $.02 here...
I'm flying a 200HP angle-valved RV-8 with a CS prop, and firewall
mounted battery. Because I used a very lightweight prop (Whirlwind
151) my CG is fine, even with the forward mounted battery.
You can look on Dan Checkoway's site for his W&B database
(rvproject.com), mine is N9TN with an empty CG at about 78.5" aft of
datum. I don't have to ballast for solo flight, and in general have
a very forgiving CG range. Many 180 hp/Hartzell equipped RV-8s have
a heavier firewall forward than mine, and a more forward CG.
Also, Eric Jones sells lightweight copper-clad aluminum wire that is
ideal for these longish runs for an aft battery. I haven't used it
myself, but would if I needed an aft battery (www.Periheliondesign.com)
James Freeman
On May 27, 2006, at 6:21 AM, Searle, Alan wrote:
>
>
> Michael,
>
> I have not done any calculations on the weight penalty of the extra
> ground
> cable. However I have considered the situation if I chose to put the
> battery at the firewall. As I have a 200HP Lycoming with C/S prop, the
> aircraft would be too nose heavy for solo flight and would require
> ballast
> in the aft baggage area.
>
> Therefore, in my case, with the battery at the rear, the extra
> weight is of
> no consequence. (just the extra weight).
>
> Cheers ..... Alan.
>
>
> MLWynn(at)aol.com writes:
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>>
>> Hey, Alan
>>
>> What do you suppose the weight penalty is for the cable runs? I
>> am building
>> an RV 8, was planning to use dual batteries and am trying to
>> figure out
>> where to put them. I understand that RV 8's have a tendency to be
>> nose heavy,
>> especially with a CS prop.(snip)
>>
>>
>>
>
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From: "Richard McBride" <rickrv8(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Aft Battery
Date: May 27, 2006
Lucky,
I have the Whelen strobe power pack mounted in the tail just behind the =
rear baggage bulkhead. I did run the strobe ground wire back to my =
common grounding bus that is located near the instrument panel. I don't =
have any strobe noise. I'm familiar with the pulse noise you're =
describing. I used to get the same noise in my old RV-6.
Rick McBride
----- Original Message -----=20
From: lucky<mailto:luckymacy(at)comcast.net>=20
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com=20
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Aft Battery
luckymacy(at)comcast.net (lucky)
Rick,
Where did you mount your strobe pack(s) and where/how did you ground =
them.
I have a situation where as soon as I fire up all the electronics and =
the Strobes and the first time my radio receives a transmission after =
startup, I go from wonderful silence in my headsets to faint pulse noise =
that coincides with the strobes firing off.
lucky
-------------- Original message --------------=20
From: "Richard McBride" <rickrv8(at)msn.com<mailto:rickrv8(at)msn.com>>=20
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> I designed my electrical system in my -8 based upon Bob's =3D=20
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back =3D=20
> primary for the dual electronic ignition. Contrary to Bob's advice =
to =3D=20
> ground at the firewall, I grounded both batteries to the nearby =3D=20
> longerons. Operationally, the electrical system has worked fine and =
I =3D=20
> have experienced no noise in the communication radios or other =
avionics.=20
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> Rick McBride=3D20=20
> ----- Original Message -----=3D20=20
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Where did you mount your strobe pack(s) and where/how did you =
ground them.
I have a situation where as soon as I fire up all the electronics =
and the Strobes and the first time my radio receives a transmission =
after startup, I go from wonderful silence in my headsets to faint =
pulse noise that coincides with the strobes firing off.
lucky
-------------- Original message -------------- =
<BR>From: "Richard McBride" <rickrv8(at)msn.com> <BR><BR>> --> =
RV8-List message posted by: "Richard McBride" =
>
>>;
> I =
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From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: May 27, 2006
Subject: Re: Aft Battery
Dan,
Here's another idea for you. There is a longeron that extends the length of
the fuselage. It passes slightly above where your battery will be in the
back. Ground your battery to that longeron and take a ground cable from that same
longeron near the firewall and connect it to your grounding block. Not much
better grounding cable than solid metal front to back and it saves a
bucketload of weight (opps, that's one of those undefined terms that Bob frowns
on).
If you're worried about drilling too many holes in the longerons, you could
drill out one or more rivets at the front gusset and rerivet the grounding cable
to the longeron at the gusset (you'd have to devise an attachment to the cable
to would be large enough to rivet).
Stan Sutterfield
www.rv-8a.net
I am going to mount the battery in my RV8 aft of the baggage area. Vans
wiring kit suggests airframe grounding. Bob Knuckles Z Diagrams recommend a
separate (but heavy) ground cable from the battery to the engine mount.
I am considering a separate ground run. I am also considering a
separate ground for accessories (strobes, Nav, landing lights, pitot,
etc.)
Is this worth the extra weight? What are other builders doing?
I was burned by the lack of a ground run in my StormScope installation
in another airplane, but don't intend to have one in this airplane. So
am I being overly cautious at the expense of precious payload?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com>
Subject: Re: Aft Battery
Date: May 27, 2006
Dan,
I experienced a very difficultproblem when I built my RV8 6 years ago. I
installed the battery aft of the elevator bellcrank which satisfied the
balance problem caused by the IO390 engine. I unwittingly attached the
ground cable to the airframe near the battery in the aft section of the
fuselage. By doing this I created what is known as a "ground loop" in
electronics jargon. It caused me no end of "electronic" problems primarily
with the autopilot and avionics problems. After doing everything possible
to cure the problem, I was advised that I probably had a ground loop that
was causing my avionics problems. I promptly rewired my electrical system
by changing the ground cable from the battery to the fuselage to a cable
ran parallel with the power cable to the firewall and on to the engine .
This eliminated the ground loop and also elimated all of the electronic
problems that I was experiencing. I hope that this helps all of you.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle(at)hq.inclinesoftworks.com>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:27 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Aft Battery
>
>
> I am going to mount the battery in my RV8 aft of the baggage area. Vans
> wiring kit suggests airframe grounding. Bob Knuckles Z Diagrams
> recommend a separate (but heavy) ground cable from the battery to the
> engine mount. =20
>
> =20
>
> I am considering a separate ground run. I am also considering a
> separate ground for accessories (strobes, Nav, landing lights, pitot,
> etc.)=20
>
> =20
>
> Is this worth the extra weight? What are other builders doing?=20
>
> =20
>
> I was burned by the lack of a ground run in my StormScope installation
> in another airplane, but don't intend to have one in this airplane. So
> am I being overly cautious at the expense of precious payload?
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nic" <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Subject: Aft Battery
Date: May 28, 2006
> Is this worth the extra weight? What are other builders doing?=20
Hi, A forward battery goes against current thinking, but for what its
worth, here is my experience.
Even with the rear placement of your battery the CofG issue is not
satisfactorily resolved and you will still usually require rearward ballast
to counter the problems with heavy stick forces and handling, particularly
if you have a C/s prop.
In deciding on the battery location I used electronic car rally scales and
Kevin's great Excel spreadsheet, we tried all the different options and
looked at the change in CofG. In the end I decided to install the battery in
the recess in the front baggage bay. One great advantage is that the cable
runs are short and no problems with earthling through the longerons, and
this allows for a lightweight, compact battery, and probably saved several
pounds.
Being close to the engine, but rear of the firewall seems a great
compromise.
As for Cof G, If I am flying alone I use two sail bags in the rear luggage
locker which fill the space and cant move when doing aeros.
If I have a passenger then I remove the sail bags and my Cof G is perfect.
Compare this with a long cable run, which adds weight particularly when
used in conjunction with a big battery. My build came out at 1112 lbs with
a full Christen inverted system and MT C/s prop which is not the lightest,
but reasonable.
Best Rgds, Nic
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711(at)msn.com>
Subject: Aft Battery
Date: May 28, 2006
I agree with Nic
My setup is with the battery aft, MT prop heavy engine, extensive avionics,
grove gear and otherwise standard airplane. My weight came out at 1170 lbs
and CG slightly aft. I can carry a 220 lb person in the back but no more
and no aft baggage if that person is on board. Works ok for me and my wife
(she doesn't weigh near 220 but makes up for it with luggage :) I would
have been happier with the battery forward in the well in the forward
baggage compartment. Shorter wire runs, less wire weight and better
balance. I am considering using a smaller battery aft but so far the
current setup works ok. It's hard to change things that work when flying is
more fun.
Paul Schattauer
RV8 808PS
>From: "Nic" <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RV8-List: Aft Battery
>Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 12:24:05 +0100
>
>
> > Is this worth the extra weight? What are other builders doing?=20
>
>Hi, A forward battery goes against current thinking, but for what its
>worth, here is my experience.
>
>Even with the rear placement of your battery the CofG issue is not
>satisfactorily resolved and you will still usually require rearward ballast
>to counter the problems with heavy stick forces and handling, particularly
>if you have a C/s prop.
>
>In deciding on the battery location I used electronic car rally scales and
>Kevin's great Excel spreadsheet, we tried all the different options and
>looked at the change in CofG. In the end I decided to install the battery
>in
>the recess in the front baggage bay. One great advantage is that the cable
>runs are short and no problems with earthling through the longerons, and
>this allows for a lightweight, compact battery, and probably saved several
>pounds.
>
>Being close to the engine, but rear of the firewall seems a great
>compromise.
>
>As for Cof G, If I am flying alone I use two sail bags in the rear luggage
>locker which fill the space and cant move when doing aeros.
>
>If I have a passenger then I remove the sail bags and my Cof G is perfect.
>Compare this with a long cable run, which adds weight particularly when
>used in conjunction with a big battery. My build came out at 1112 lbs with
>a full Christen inverted system and MT C/s prop which is not the lightest,
>but reasonable.
>
>Best Rgds, Nic
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Two New Email Lists at Matronics and Wiki Reminder!
Dear Listers,
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This is an exciting new design from Arion Aircraft LLC in Shelbyville Tennessee. Pete Krotje has a very nice web site on the aircraft that can be found here: http://www.arionaircraft.com/
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________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Jun 27, 2006
Subject: A GUIDE TO AIRCRAFT PAINTING & CORROSION CONTROL
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__________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Searle, Alan" <searle(at)mansfield.net.au>
Date: Jun 28, 2006
Subject: Re: A GUIDE TO AIRCRAFT PAINTING & CORROSION CONTROL
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Garey Wittich writes:
>
> THIS IS NOT "SPAM", but comes from 600+ hours of
> research I did while building my RV-8A.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> SAVE YOURSELF hundreds of hours of research time that
> can be better spent "building your project", by using
> the comprehensive
>
> "Guide to Painting & Corrosion Control of Aluminum and
> Composite Aircraft" (In 3rd printing)
>
> Contains 66 pages of the latest, practical information
> - summarized and gathered from MIL Standards, Paint
> Shops, Builders like you (what worked or didn't),
> Airframe Mfgs, etc. Covers products from - PP&G,
> Dupont, Sherwin W'ms, Sterling, Poly Fiber, Deft,
> Randolph Paints, PRC De Soto, US Paints, Aircraft
> Finishing Systems, 3M, etc.
>
> Some of the Topics covered in the 30 Sections are:
> * Aircraft Paints vs Auto Paints
> * Corrosion Control
> * Primers for Fiberglass & Steel
> * Prep Methods for Painting - Fiberglass,
> Aluminum and Steel
> * Epoxy Primers for Aluminum - MIL & Commercial,
> Solvent & Water
> Reducible
> * Wash Primers & Self Etching Primers
> * Other Primers - Zinc Chromate, Zinc Oxide,
> Enamel
> * Paint Types : MIL & Non MIL Polyurethanes,
> Enamel
> * Acid Etch / Conversion Coatings (Alodine)
> * Spray Guns - selecting, adjusting, using &
> painting problems
> * Brushes / Rollers used with Primers & Paints
> * Selecting a Paint Shop
> * 3M Cleaning Pads & Cleaners
> * Paint Booths and their Construction
> * References - MIL Standard & Tech Orders
> * Directory of Aircraft Paint Mfgs, Distributors
> - phone numbers, E-
> Mail addresses, Application Notes
>
> YOUR AIRPLANE is judged by it's "Paint Job", so have
> the latest "Information" in order to make good
> decisions. Contains "Do's" and "Don'ts" that save you
> time, $$$ and frustration.
>
> Send check for $26 (includes postage within US) to:
> Garey Wittich
> 58 Village Pkwy
> Santa Monica, CA. 90405
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "michael christmann" <michaelfly(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 02, 2006
Subject: rear seat throttle
I would like to install a throttle in the rear cockpit. I understand that
Vans has a drawing and looked at Spruce's throttle offers.
Any experience with this installation?
Michael Christmann
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry(at)bowenaero.com>
Date: Jul 02, 2006
Subject: Re: rear seat throttle
I have Van's rear throttle kit. I did the lever a little different --
shorter and no bend. No probs and no regrets.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
michael christmann wrote:
>
>
> I would like to install a throttle in the rear cockpit. I understand that
> Vans has a drawing and looked at Spruce's throttle offers.
> Any experience with this installation?
> Michael Christmann
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: rveighta <rveighta(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 02, 2006
Subject: Re: rear seat throttle
Michael, I installed Van's rear seat throttle in my 8A, but modified it due
to passengers hitting the throttle with their legs (unmodified it goes up then
is bent inboard).
Since I had the deluxe front throttle quadrant, which has a throttle like a
P-51 mustang, ie, the lever has in essence a piece of horizontal pipe bolted
to the throttle lever, I just duplicated the same thing in the back, using a
smaller diameter piece of tubing bolted to a shortened shaft. It looks great
and doesn't stick out where the passenger's leg can disturb it.
Just my 2 cents FWIW.
Walt Shipley Rv-8A 200+ hours, RV-8 under construction
-----Original Message-----
>From: michael christmann <michaelfly(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jul 2, 2006 7:51 AM
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: rear seat throttle
>
>
>I would like to install a throttle in the rear cockpit. I understand that
>Vans has a drawing and looked at Spruce's throttle offers.
>Any experience with this installation?
>Michael Christmann
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: DONKEYVET(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 02, 2006
Subject: Re: rear seat throttle
Michael,
Me Three! I also installed a Van's rear seat throttle. I like it but like the
others found it hit the rear seat occupant's left knee and considered it a
safety issue so I cut it off at the bend. That works fine. I think I could have
flown a year earlier without all of the little marginally useful extras I just
had to have at the time and wonder if it was all worth it. A basic stock RV-8
would be 98% as cool as a decked out one. It would be lighter, fly earlier,
and be a lot cheaper!
Dennis Flosi
________________________________________________________________________________
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: rear seat throttle
Listers,
I am considering installing the full three lever deluxe quadrant for the
rear seat of my RV8 - any suggestions? Gus says it would interfere with the
rear pilot's left leg?? The link would be a straight rod for the throttle
lever, push/pull type cables for the other two.
Comments anyone?
Thanks,
Michele
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of michael christmann
Sent: dimanche 2 juillet 2006 13:52
I would like to install a throttle in the rear cockpit. I understand that
Vans has a drawing and looked at Spruce's throttle offers.
Any experience with this installation?
Michael Christmann
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: rear seat throttle
Miche'le
A three control quadrant in the aft seat will look good but is it really
practical? The front seat will always have a pilot in it. The aft seat
pilot will not have a good view of any mixture instrumentation, will not be
able to start the engine, and will have no need to shut down the engine.
The prop control is a little more useful but you have a voice activated one
built in. My experience has been that flying from the rear seat is limited
to demonstrations for new/prospective pilots and friends. No serious flying
is done back there. On the other hand whatever you like best is always the
best idea.
Paul Schattauer
RV8 808PS
>From: Michle Delsol <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: rear seat throttle
>Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:18:01 +0200
>
>
>
>Listers,
>
>I am considering installing the full three lever deluxe quadrant for the
>rear seat of my RV8 - any suggestions? Gus says it would interfere with the
>rear pilot's left leg?? The link would be a straight rod for the throttle
>lever, push/pull type cables for the other two.
>
>Comments anyone?
>
>Thanks,
>Michele
>
>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of michael
>christmann
>Sent: dimanche 2 juillet 2006 13:52
>
>
>
>I would like to install a throttle in the rear cockpit. I understand that
>Vans has a drawing and looked at Spruce's throttle offers.
>Any experience with this installation?
>Michael Christmann
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "The Bennetts" <gbennett92b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: Re: rear seat throttle
We have just installed the throttle lever in the back. I am going to
shorten it and no bend, this has two benefits (#1) As others have said it
will then NOT interfere with the rear passengers left leg and better yet
(#2) you can easily place a secure cover over it so when you take your
grandkids or kids for a ride they do not have access to it. Gary Bennett &
Jim Barrilleaux. ----- From: "Michle Delsol"
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:18 AM
>
>
> Listers,
>
> I am considering installing the full three lever deluxe quadrant for the
> rear seat of my RV8 - any suggestions? Gus says it would interfere with
> the
> rear pilot's left leg?? The link would be a straight rod for the throttle
> lever, push/pull type cables for the other two.
>
> Comments anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> Michele
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of michael
> christmann
> Sent: dimanche 2 juillet 2006 13:52
>
>
>
> I would like to install a throttle in the rear cockpit. I understand that
> Vans has a drawing and looked at Spruce's throttle offers.
> Any experience with this installation?
> Michael Christmann
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?= <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: rear seat throttle
I know, I know, I tend to over do things. My initial intention was to grant
the rear seat pilot full flying capabilities in case, I, the front pilot,
passed out or something similar. In a side by side airplane, there is an
built in safety feature if the other person has piloting skill. In the 8,
all the rear pilot has is a stick. But then one can add things such as the
throttle, or the throttle and prop, rear pedals, a flap switch, a trim
switch (both disconnectable from the pilot's seat). Then there could be
basic instrumentation such as air speed, altitude, a backup radio, a backup
GPS...
Anyone gone that route?
Thanks,
Michele - RV8 Fuselage.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Schattauer
Sent: lundi 3 juillet 2006 15:39
Miche'le
A three control quadrant in the aft seat will look good but is it really
practical? The front seat will always have a pilot in it. The aft seat
pilot will not have a good view of any mixture instrumentation, will not be
able to start the engine, and will have no need to shut down the engine.
The prop control is a little more useful but you have a voice activated one
built in. My experience has been that flying from the rear seat is limited
to demonstrations for new/prospective pilots and friends. No serious flying
is done back there. On the other hand whatever you like best is always the
best idea.
Paul Schattauer
RV8 808PS
>From: Michle Delsol <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: rear seat throttle
>Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:18:01 +0200
>
>
>
>Listers,
>
>I am considering installing the full three lever deluxe quadrant for the
>rear seat of my RV8 - any suggestions? Gus says it would interfere with the
>rear pilot's left leg?? The link would be a straight rod for the throttle
>lever, push/pull type cables for the other two.
>
>Comments anyone?
>
>Thanks,
>Michele
>
>-----Original Message-----
>[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of michael
>christmann
>Sent: dimanche 2 juillet 2006 13:52
>
>
>
>I would like to install a throttle in the rear cockpit. I understand that
>Vans has a drawing and looked at Spruce's throttle offers.
>Any experience with this installation?
>Michael Christmann
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Scherder" <tomscherder(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 03, 2006
Subject: Re: rear seat throttle
ALL OF THE ABOVE AND WE LOVE IT
My RV8 has a rear seat throttle, prop control, and mixture as well as trims,
flap and full GPS. I'm 6 ft tall and weight 204 and I have no problem flying
from the back. I learned to land from the back which made front seat
landings a breeze since the rear rudders are less responsive than the front.
My wife is learning to (pinch hit )from the back in case she may have to fly
someday if I should become ill or worse. There are good things about keeping
it light and all but my BABY needs all the good stuff I can put in. If
weight becomes a problem I should lose 20 pounds.
Tom Scherder N38NE
flying-100hrs
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:11 AM
>
> I know, I know, I tend to over do things. My initial intention was to
grant
> the rear seat pilot full flying capabilities in case, I, the front pilot,
> passed out or something similar. In a side by side airplane, there is an
> built in safety feature if the other person has piloting skill. In the 8,
> all the rear pilot has is a stick. But then one can add things such as the
> throttle, or the throttle and prop, rear pedals, a flap switch, a trim
> switch (both disconnectable from the pilot's seat). Then there could be
> basic instrumentation such as air speed, altitude, a backup radio, a
backup
> GPS...
>
> Anyone gone that route?
>
> Thanks,
> Michele - RV8 Fuselage.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Schattauer
> Sent: lundi 3 juillet 2006 15:39
>
>
> Miche'le
>
> A three control quadrant in the aft seat will look good but is it really
> practical? The front seat will always have a pilot in it. The aft seat
> pilot will not have a good view of any mixture instrumentation, will not
be
> able to start the engine, and will have no need to shut down the engine.
> The prop control is a little more useful but you have a voice activated
one
> built in. My experience has been that flying from the rear seat is limited
> to demonstrations for new/prospective pilots and friends. No serious
flying
>
> is done back there. On the other hand whatever you like best is always
the
> best idea.
>
> Paul Schattauer
> RV8 808PS
>
>
> >From: Michle Delsol <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
> >Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: RE: RV8-List: rear seat throttle
> >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:18:01 +0200
> >
> >
> >
> >Listers,
> >
> >I am considering installing the full three lever deluxe quadrant for the
> >rear seat of my RV8 - any suggestions? Gus says it would interfere with
the
> >rear pilot's left leg?? The link would be a straight rod for the throttle
> >lever, push/pull type cables for the other two.
> >
> >Comments anyone?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Michele
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of michael
> >christmann
> >Sent: dimanche 2 juillet 2006 13:52
> >
> >
> >
> >I would like to install a throttle in the rear cockpit. I understand that
> >Vans has a drawing and looked at Spruce's throttle offers.
> >Any experience with this installation?
> >Michael Christmann
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 04, 2006
Subject: RE: rear seat throttle
Hi Michele-
I thought about different ways of putting in a full set of controls in
back. I couldn't come up with anything I considered really practical so I
just went with the throttle and trims. The addition that would be most
valuable would probably be brakes, and of course that would be a bit of an
engineering feat.
-
Listers,
I am considering installing the full three lever deluxe quadrant for the
rear seat of my RV8 - any suggestions? Gus says it would interfere with the
rear pilot's left leg?? The link would be a straight rod for the throttle
lever, push/pull type cables for the other two.
Comments anyone?
Thanks,
Michele
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "The Bennetts" <gbennett92b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Jul 04, 2006
Subject: Re: rear seat throttle
Thank you Tom, FINALLY someone admits the reality of weight control in
an airplane! I always laugh when I hear folks discussing doing this & that
to cut down an ounce here and an ounce there in their homebuilt, all the
while they carry the first step in weight control in their midsections.....
I am NO exception, probably 30 lbs worth.......Our RV8A will also have all
the IFR bells and whistles, damn the weight full speed ahead!!!!! Gary
Bennett
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 5:49 PM
>
> ALL OF THE ABOVE AND WE LOVE IT
> My RV8 has a rear seat throttle, prop control, and mixture as well as
> trims,
> flap and full GPS. I'm 6 ft tall and weight 204 and I have no problem
> flying
> from the back. I learned to land from the back which made front seat
> landings a breeze since the rear rudders are less responsive than the
> front.
> My wife is learning to (pinch hit )from the back in case she may have to
> fly
> someday if I should become ill or worse. There are good things about
> keeping
> it light and all but my BABY needs all the good stuff I can put in. If
> weight becomes a problem I should lose 20 pounds.
> Tom Scherder N38NE
> flying-100hrs
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:11 AM
>
>
>
>>
>> I know, I know, I tend to over do things. My initial intention was to
> grant
>> the rear seat pilot full flying capabilities in case, I, the front pilot,
>> passed out or something similar. In a side by side airplane, there is an
>> built in safety feature if the other person has piloting skill. In the 8,
>> all the rear pilot has is a stick. But then one can add things such as
>> the
>> throttle, or the throttle and prop, rear pedals, a flap switch, a trim
>> switch (both disconnectable from the pilot's seat). Then there could be
>> basic instrumentation such as air speed, altitude, a backup radio, a
> backup
>> GPS...
>>
>> Anyone gone that route?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michele - RV8 Fuselage.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Schattauer
>> Sent: lundi 3 juillet 2006 15:39
>>
>>
>>
>> Miche'le
>>
>> A three control quadrant in the aft seat will look good but is it really
>> practical? The front seat will always have a pilot in it. The aft seat
>> pilot will not have a good view of any mixture instrumentation, will not
> be
>> able to start the engine, and will have no need to shut down the engine.
>> The prop control is a little more useful but you have a voice activated
> one
>> built in. My experience has been that flying from the rear seat is
>> limited
>> to demonstrations for new/prospective pilots and friends. No serious
> flying
>>
>> is done back there. On the other hand whatever you like best is always
> the
>> best idea.
>>
>> Paul Schattauer
>> RV8 808PS
>>
>>
>> >From: Michle Delsol <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
>> >Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>> >To:
>> >Subject: RE: RV8-List: rear seat throttle
>> >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:18:01 +0200
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Listers,
>> >
>> >I am considering installing the full three lever deluxe quadrant for the
>> >rear seat of my RV8 - any suggestions? Gus says it would interfere with
> the
>> >rear pilot's left leg?? The link would be a straight rod for the
>> >throttle
>> >lever, push/pull type cables for the other two.
>> >
>> >Comments anyone?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Michele
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of michael
>> >christmann
>> >Sent: dimanche 2 juillet 2006 13:52
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I would like to install a throttle in the rear cockpit. I understand
>> >that
>> >Vans has a drawing and looked at Spruce's throttle offers.
>> >Any experience with this installation?
>> >Michael Christmann
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle(at)inclinesoftworks.com>
Date: Jul 04, 2006
Subject: Forward Baggage Mounted Battery
I have heard that several folks have mounted the battery in the lower
forward baggage compartment. From my CG calculations, that is a good place
for mine.
Does anyone have suggestions on how to do this? Pictures would be great.
Thanks
Dan Beadle
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
Date: Jul 04, 2006
Subject: Forward Baggage Mounted Battery
Don,
Here's a reference to Todd Rudberg's site. He sells a batter box kit for
mounting the battery inside the forward baggage compartment, on the floor.
http://www.rvwoody.com/battbox.html
Terry
_____
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Beadle
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:36 PM
I have heard that several folks have mounted the battery in the lower
forward baggage compartment. From my CG calculations, that is a good place
for mine.
Does anyone have suggestions on how to do this? Pictures would be great.
Thanks
Dan Beadle
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MIke" <minman1(at)nc.rr.com>
Date: Jul 04, 2006
Subject: Re: Forward Baggage Mounted Battery
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beadle
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Forward Baggage Mounted Battery
I have heard that several folks have mounted the battery in the lower
forward baggage compartment. From my CG calculations, that is a good
place for mine.
Does anyone have suggestions on how to do this? Pictures would be
great.
Thanks
Dan Beadle
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Scherder" <tomscherder(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 04, 2006
Subject: Re: rear seat throttle
Gary,
Great reply. My flying buddy weighs 240 and I go 204.The great thing about
the RV8 is that we both fit just fine., even when we're flying to a new
airport restaurant. With 200 HP+ and a constant speed prop the little sky
dancer jumps off the runway in about 300 ft and cruises 22/24 at 160 kts.
Top speed at altitude is 194mph.The plane still came in at 1128 lbs with an
ostrich leather interior complete with side panels and rear armrests. We are
full IFR 2 GPS's and unless your stomach is a lot more stable than mine you
won't push the 6 G limit all that much. Keep pounding the rivets , it' all
worth it!
Tom
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:46 AM
>
> Thank you Tom, FINALLY someone admits the reality of weight control
in
> an airplane! I always laugh when I hear folks discussing doing this &
that
> to cut down an ounce here and an ounce there in their homebuilt, all the
> while they carry the first step in weight control in their
midsections.....
> I am NO exception, probably 30 lbs worth.......Our RV8A will also have all
> the IFR bells and whistles, damn the weight full speed ahead!!!!! Gary
> Bennett
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 5:49 PM
>
>
> >
> > ALL OF THE ABOVE AND WE LOVE IT
> > My RV8 has a rear seat throttle, prop control, and mixture as well as
> > trims,
> > flap and full GPS. I'm 6 ft tall and weight 204 and I have no problem
> > flying
> > from the back. I learned to land from the back which made front seat
> > landings a breeze since the rear rudders are less responsive than the
> > front.
> > My wife is learning to (pinch hit )from the back in case she may have to
> > fly
> > someday if I should become ill or worse. There are good things about
> > keeping
> > it light and all but my BABY needs all the good stuff I can put in. If
> > weight becomes a problem I should lose 20 pounds.
> > Tom Scherder N38NE
> > flying-100hrs
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:11 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I know, I know, I tend to over do things. My initial intention was to
> > grant
> >> the rear seat pilot full flying capabilities in case, I, the front
pilot,
> >> passed out or something similar. In a side by side airplane, there is
an
> >> built in safety feature if the other person has piloting skill. In the
8,
> >> all the rear pilot has is a stick. But then one can add things such as
> >> the
> >> throttle, or the throttle and prop, rear pedals, a flap switch, a trim
> >> switch (both disconnectable from the pilot's seat). Then there could be
> >> basic instrumentation such as air speed, altitude, a backup radio, a
> > backup
> >> GPS...
> >>
> >> Anyone gone that route?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Michele - RV8 Fuselage.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Schattauer
> >> Sent: lundi 3 juillet 2006 15:39
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Miche'le
> >>
> >> A three control quadrant in the aft seat will look good but is it
really
> >> practical? The front seat will always have a pilot in it. The aft
seat
> >> pilot will not have a good view of any mixture instrumentation, will
not
> > be
> >> able to start the engine, and will have no need to shut down the
engine.
> >> The prop control is a little more useful but you have a voice activated
> > one
> >> built in. My experience has been that flying from the rear seat is
> >> limited
> >> to demonstrations for new/prospective pilots and friends. No serious
> > flying
> >>
> >> is done back there. On the other hand whatever you like best is always
> > the
> >> best idea.
> >>
> >> Paul Schattauer
> >> RV8 808PS
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: Michle Delsol <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
> >> >Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> >> >To:
> >> >Subject: RE: RV8-List: rear seat throttle
> >> >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:18:01 +0200
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Listers,
> >> >
> >> >I am considering installing the full three lever deluxe quadrant for
the
> >> >rear seat of my RV8 - any suggestions? Gus says it would interfere
with
> > the
> >> >rear pilot's left leg?? The link would be a straight rod for the
> >> >throttle
> >> >lever, push/pull type cables for the other two.
> >> >
> >> >Comments anyone?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks,
> >> >Michele
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of michael
> >> >christmann
> >> >Sent: dimanche 2 juillet 2006 13:52
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I would like to install a throttle in the rear cockpit. I understand
> >> >that
> >> >Vans has a drawing and looked at Spruce's throttle offers.
> >> >Any experience with this installation?
> >> >Michael Christmann
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Scherder" <tomscherder(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 04, 2006
Subject: Re: rear seat throttle
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:11 AM
>
> I know, I know, I tend to over do things. My initial intention was to
grant
> the rear seat pilot full flying capabilities in case, I, the front pilot,
> passed out or something similar. In a side by side airplane, there is an
> built in safety feature if the other person has piloting skill. In the 8,
> all the rear pilot has is a stick. But then one can add things such as the
> throttle, or the throttle and prop, rear pedals, a flap switch, a trim
> switch (both disconnectable from the pilot's seat). Then there could be
> basic instrumentation such as air speed, altitude, a backup radio, a
backup
> GPS...
>
> Anyone gone that route?
>
> Thanks,
> Michele - RV8 Fuselage.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Schattauer
> Sent: lundi 3 juillet 2006 15:39
>
>
> Miche'le
>
> A three control quadrant in the aft seat will look good but is it really
> practical? The front seat will always have a pilot in it. The aft seat
> pilot will not have a good view of any mixture instrumentation, will not
be
> able to start the engine, and will have no need to shut down the engine.
> The prop control is a little more useful but you have a voice activated
one
> built in. My experience has been that flying from the rear seat is limited
> to demonstrations for new/prospective pilots and friends. No serious
flying
>
> is done back there. On the other hand whatever you like best is always
the
> best idea.
>
> Paul Schattauer
> RV8 808PS
>
>
> >From: Michle Delsol <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>
> >Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: RE: RV8-List: rear seat throttle
> >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:18:01 +0200
> >
> >
> >
> >Listers,
> >
> >I am considering installing the full three lever deluxe quadrant for the
> >rear seat of my RV8 - any suggestions? Gus says it would interfere with
the
> >rear pilot's left leg?? The link would be a straight rod for the throttle
> >lever, push/pull type cables for the other two.
> >
> >Comments anyone?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Michele
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of michael
> >christmann
> >Sent: dimanche 2 juillet 2006 13:52
> >
> >
> >
> >I would like to install a throttle in the rear cockpit. I understand that
> >Vans has a drawing and looked at Spruce's throttle offers.
> >Any experience with this installation?
> >Michael Christmann
> >
> >
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nic" <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Date: Jul 05, 2006
Subject: Build it light ...
Ideally the RV8 would come in at the same weight as a good RV4, this would
improve the handling and responsiveness.
Tom, with full fuel and two heavy guys your RV8 comes in well over the
original (inc' fuel) gross weight without any baggage. - best get your buddy
down to the gym ! :)
Nic
> Great reply. My flying buddy weighs 240 and I go 204.The great thing about
> the RV8 is that we both fit just fine., even when we're flying to a new
> airport restaurant.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics(at)rv8.ch>
Date: Jul 05, 2006
Subject: Re: Build it light ...
> Ideally the RV8 would come in at the same weight as a good RV4, this would
> improve the handling and responsiveness.
>
> Tom, with full fuel and two heavy guys your RV8 comes in well over the
> original (inc' fuel) gross weight without any baggage. - best get your buddy
> down to the gym ! :)
I think you would have to drill a lot of holes in the RV8 to
get it as light as a 4! It's pretty amazing the difference
in the size of the two. The 8 is a lot bigger, and if you put
an engine in it, it will weigh more than a 4. I'd bet that
an 8 with a 320 and nothing in the panel would weigh more
than a 4. Just a lot more material there.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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From: "Stephanie Marshall" <smarshall(at)enid.org>
Date: Jul 05, 2006
Subject: Wichita KS
Hey,
After a LONG hiatus I am back.....for a little while anyway. We are
moving to Wichita this month, if we can find a place to live =) (Does
anyone know of a nice place to rent while we look for a place to buy??)
Baron has been transferred to McConnell and so off we go into the wild
blue yonder....oops sorry it seems that I have had a little too much Dr.
Pepper today if I am breaking into song.
I moved our freebee site to a paid server so that it gets backed up
nightly, I would really hate for something to happen to it.
www.rv-8a.4t.com has changed to www.rv-8.org nothing has really changed
lately except for the major fact that we are going with an RV-8 instead
of an RV-8a.
Cheers,
Stephanie Marshall
Software Support Tech.
City of Enid
smarshall(at)enid.org
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From: "Jeff Preou" <jeff(at)preou.com>
Date: Jul 06, 2006
Subject: Wichita KS
Without getting into the "what is better" argument, what were your reason
s for swapping to the -8, and did you consider or check out such things a
s crosswind limits, pilot experience, insurance permiums, etc? What did y
ou find out? I ask because I will have that same decision in six months o
r so...
Cheers,
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Hamilton, New Zealand
________________________________
Sent: Thu 6/07/2006 7:38 a.m.
Hey,
After a LONG hiatus I am back.....for a little while anyway. We are movi
ng to Wichita this month, if we can find a place to live =) (Does anyo
ne know of a nice place to rent while we look for a place to buy??)
Baron has been transferred to McConnell and so off we go into the wild bl
ue yonder....oops sorry it seems that I have had a little too much Dr. Pe
pper today if I am breaking into song.
I moved our freebee site to a paid server so that it gets backed up night
ly, I would really hate for something to happen to it. www.rv-8a.4t.com <
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From: "Nic" <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Date: Jul 06, 2006
Subject: Build it light
Mickey,
Agreed, building light gives you improved response and handling. I also fly
paramotors and when I go to the US, I am amazed at the weight of the
machines that are flown, as a result most of them end up with wheels on,
then chrome then leather then ... handle like dogs !!
Light is good whatever you are flying, and I would like to reduce my 8 below
1100lbs but with MT c/s and inverted I can't really see where I can loose
the extra pounds. I have no lights, Dynon panel, & minimal interior.
I wont be building another 8, as it has been a disappointment in a number of
areas, but if I did, it would probably be 0-320 and three blade fixed, to
try and get it as light as possible.
Nic
> I think you would have to drill a lot of holes in the RV8 to
> get it as light as a 4! It's pretty amazing the difference
> in the size of the two. The 8 is a lot bigger, and if you put
> an engine in it, it will weigh more than a 4. I'd bet that
> an 8 with a 320 and nothing in the panel would weigh more
> than a 4. Just a lot more material there.
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stephanie Marshall" <smarshall(at)enid.org>
Date: Jul 10, 2006
Subject: Wichita KS
Hi Jeff,
We decided to go with an 8 for the soft-field landing capabilities. We believe
(I know some might not) that the front landing gear on the 8A might not be able
to take the repeated stress of landing on soft-fields. The other thing that
we took into account was the damage that could result from a collapse of the
front gear vs. the damage from a ground loop. We have seen the damage that comes
from a plane flipping when it's front gear fails, and we don't even want
to THINK about going there =)
We plan on taking our plane into MANY soft fields over its lifetime, so our reasoning
probably isn't valid for everyone. =)
Stephanie
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Preou
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 PM
Without getting into the "what is better" argument, what were your reasons for
swapping to the -8, and did you consider or check out such things as crosswind
limits, pilot experience, insurance permiums, etc? What did you find out? I ask
because I will have that same decision in six months or so...
Cheers,
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
________________________________
Sent: Thu 6/07/2006 7:38 a.m.
Hey,
After a LONG hiatus I am back.....for a little while anyway. We are moving to
Wichita this month, if we can find a place to live =) (Does anyone know of a
nice place to rent while we look for a place to buy??)
Baron has been transferred to McConnell and so off we go into the wild blue yonder....oops
sorry it seems that I have had a little too much Dr. Pepper today
if I am breaking into song.
I moved our freebee site to a paid server so that it gets backed up nightly, I would really hate for something to happen to it. www.rv-8a.4t.com <http://www.rv-8a.4t.com/> has changed to www.rv-8.org
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From: "Jeff Preou" <jeff(at)preou.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2006
Subject: Wichita KS
Hi Stephanie,
Thanks for that. I still haven't made up my mind. We'd like to go RV-8
but there are so many factors to consider. I need to do some more
research to find out the best fit.
Cheers,
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 1:21 a.m.
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Hi Jeff,
We decided to go with an 8 for the soft-field landing capabilities. We
believe (I know some might not) that the front landing gear on the 8A
might not be able to take the repeated stress of landing on soft-fields.
The other thing that we took into account was the damage that could
result from a collapse of the front gear vs. the damage from a ground
loop. We have seen the damage that comes from a plane flipping when
it's front gear fails, and we don't even want to THINK about going there
=)
We plan on taking our plane into MANY soft fields over its lifetime, so
our reasoning probably isn't valid for everyone. =)
Stephanie
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Preou
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 PM
Without getting into the "what is better" argument, what were your
reasons for swapping to the -8, and did you consider or check out such
things as crosswind limits, pilot experience, insurance permiums, etc?
What did you find out? I ask because I will have that same decision in
six months or so...
Cheers,
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
________________________________
Sent: Thu 6/07/2006 7:38 a.m.
Hey,
After a LONG hiatus I am back.....for a little while anyway. We are
moving to Wichita this month, if we can find a place to live =) (Does
anyone know of a nice place to rent while we look for a place to buy??)
Baron has been transferred to McConnell and so off we go into the wild
blue yonder....oops sorry it seems that I have had a little too much Dr.
Pepper today if I am breaking into song.
I moved our freebee site to a paid server so that it gets backed up
nightly, I would really hate for something to happen to it.
www.rv-8a.4t.com <http://www.rv-8a.4t.com/> has changed to www.rv-8.org
<http://www.rv-8.org/> nothing has really changed lately except for the
major fact that we are going with an RV-8 instead of an RV-8a.
Cheers,
Stephanie Marshall
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City of Enid
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From: "Nic" <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Date: Jul 11, 2006
Subject: Softfield capabilities
More things Vans don't tell you ....
The RV8 may well be the better choice for soft field landings, however, be
careful to select your wheel size and wheel pants accordingly - The Vans
design with 5" Wheels and standard wheel pants / spats is Hopeless for grass
fields unless the ground is smooth and firm.
I recently had damage to my new wheel pants as did a friend with an 8, so
with the benefit of hindsight I would use larger wheels and different wheel
pants for grass.
I would also change the tailwheel before you start as the Vans design is
sadly lacking.
Fly Safe, Nic
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle(at)inclinesoftworks.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2006
Subject: Wichita KS
Jeff,
I decided to go RV8 vs. 8A after starting aerobatics work. That got me back
to the joy of flying. (I fly a Cessna414. It is challenging, but not fun in
a stick and rudder sense.) I wanted to be able to go into shorter fields
(the twin needs 4000' and I like 6000'). That got me to the idea of
building an airplane. Selecting Vans was a no-brainer: lots of plane
flying safely minimizes the risk.
I looked over the models and came to like the 8 based on speed and mission.
Fast is always good and the 8 is the fastest. And tandem has the cool
factor.
I suspect that you went through a similar process to get where you are.
The remaining decision was 8 or 8A? I had next to zero time in tail wheel,
but over 10,000 total time. I figured tail wheel would not be difficult -
and it wasn't. As I recall, you are still working on your rating. Learning
a tail wheel is not that big a deal. In some ways, it makes you a better
pilot by focusing you on attitude flying. There are certainly some
drawbacks technically - like ground control, but once in the air, they fly
the same (or maybe a little faster than a tri-gear). You do have to be
careful taxing in winds and you do have to land a little more smoothly, but
these are manageable.
There are two other drawbacks: insurance and resale.
With all my time, the insurance company prefers to have a lot of tail wheel
time to insure the airplane. But this is negotiable. I decided to build
some time by towing gliders in a Pawnee. The insurance company wanted 150
hours of tail wheel time, but I got them to accept me at 10 hours total tail
wheel time. And that was in a single place plane where I had to check myself
out. They did this with no extra premium.
The other drawback is resale. Experimentals are already different to sell.
You have to find a buyer in love with your implementation - you don't have
just another C172 for sale. But you also have to find a tail wheel pilot.
An instructor buddy who specializes in such tells me that only about 10% of
the pilots have the FAA Conventional Gear Endorsement.
Still, even with these limitations, I figure and RV8 was just meant to park
pointed to the sky.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:38 PM
Hi Stephanie,
Thanks for that. I still haven't made up my mind. We'd like to go RV-8
but there are so many factors to consider. I need to do some more
research to find out the best fit.
Cheers,
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 1:21 a.m.
-->
Hi Jeff,
We decided to go with an 8 for the soft-field landing capabilities. We
believe (I know some might not) that the front landing gear on the 8A
might not be able to take the repeated stress of landing on soft-fields.
The other thing that we took into account was the damage that could
result from a collapse of the front gear vs. the damage from a ground
loop. We have seen the damage that comes from a plane flipping when
it's front gear fails, and we don't even want to THINK about going there
=)
We plan on taking our plane into MANY soft fields over its lifetime, so
our reasoning probably isn't valid for everyone. =)
Stephanie
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Preou
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 PM
Without getting into the "what is better" argument, what were your
reasons for swapping to the -8, and did you consider or check out such
things as crosswind limits, pilot experience, insurance permiums, etc?
What did you find out? I ask because I will have that same decision in
six months or so...
Cheers,
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
________________________________
Sent: Thu 6/07/2006 7:38 a.m.
Hey,
After a LONG hiatus I am back.....for a little while anyway. We are
moving to Wichita this month, if we can find a place to live =) (Does
anyone know of a nice place to rent while we look for a place to buy??)
Baron has been transferred to McConnell and so off we go into the wild
blue yonder....oops sorry it seems that I have had a little too much Dr.
Pepper today if I am breaking into song.
I moved our freebee site to a paid server so that it gets backed up
nightly, I would really hate for something to happen to it.
www.rv-8a.4t.com <http://www.rv-8a.4t.com/> has changed to www.rv-8.org
<http://www.rv-8.org/> nothing has really changed lately except for the
major fact that we are going with an RV-8 instead of an RV-8a.
Cheers,
Stephanie Marshall
Software Support Tech.
City of Enid
smarshall(at)enid.org 580-234-0400 X-3030
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From: neilmark(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 11, 2006
Subject: New York - Neil
I am trying to get some feedback on putting an IVO Prop- Magnum (electric constant
speed) on my RV8A with IO360A1A- 200 hp engine.
Anyone have any experience with this prop? ts lighter and less expensive than the
hartzell. Has anyone heard anything good or bad about it?
Thanks,
Neil (NYC)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeff Preou" <jeff(at)preou.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2006
Subject: Softfield capabilities
Thanks for all the input guys. Dan; interested about your comments re:
tail wheel time and insurance. I'm definitely going to be insuring so I
should make a couple of phone calls. Like I said before, I think I can
get my license in a tail wheel plane at the parachute club so I'll ask
about that next time I'm up there.
About the whole soft field thing: NZ is predominantly grass fields. In
fact, the half dozen or so fields I am likely to use on a regular basis,
one of which is where I'm hoping to be based, all are grass. And when it
rains here, it *really* rains: read that as 'soft'!! Anyone actually
fitted larger wheels to their RV (any model?).
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nic
Sent: Wednesday, 12 July 2006 1:27 a.m.
More things Vans don't tell you ....
The RV8 may well be the better choice for soft field landings, however,
be careful to select your wheel size and wheel pants accordingly - The
Vans design with 5" Wheels and standard wheel pants / spats is Hopeless
for grass fields unless the ground is smooth and firm.
I recently had damage to my new wheel pants as did a friend with an 8,
so with the benefit of hindsight I would use larger wheels and different
wheel pants for grass.
I would also change the tailwheel before you start as the Vans design is
sadly lacking.
Fly Safe, Nic
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From: James Freeman <flyeyes(at)mac.com>
Date: Jul 11, 2006
Subject: Re: New York - Neil
Google "IVO prop" and "Lycoming" and you will get a lot of
interesting hits. Mostly unfavorable stuff, but a lot of it is
dated. I'm running a Whirlwind 151 which was a little expensive but
is very lightweight and smooth. I know that some builders with auto
conversions are pleased with the IVO but I'm not aware of any with
long-term experience on a Lycoming, in particular the IO-360.
You occasionally see used Hartzell props at very reasonable prices,
if that's the primary consideration.
I'd feel a lot better with a FP wood prop if I wanted cheap and
lightweight, or the whirlwind if I just wanted lightweight.
My $.02
> I am trying to get some feedback on putting an IVO Prop- Magnum
> (electric constant speed) on my RV8A with IO360A1A- 200 hp engine.
> Anyone have any experience with this prop? ts lighter and less
> expensive than the hartzell. Has anyone heard anything good or bad
> about it?
> Thanks,
> Neil (NYC)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lee Rademacher" <maglee(at)efn.org>
Date: Jul 16, 2006
Subject: Looking for partner to help me finish an RV 8
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2006
Subject: Looking for partner to help me finish an RV 8 (Lee Rademacher)
Lee- you don't mention where you are-
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
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From: "Lee Rademacher" <maglee(at)efn.org>
Date: Jul 17, 2006
Subject:
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cvondoymi" <cvondoymi(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jul 18, 2006
Subject: room at OSH
I know of one nice room in a private home available 7/23 thru 7/26.
$50.00 per night with a nice breakfast.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: Oil temp problems
Listers:
I am seeing real high oil temps on my IO-360, Lycoming in my RV8. In the
270degree range. I have the 9 row oil cooler mounted on the rear baffle.
This is a new engine. Any suggestions on what to look for? Better oil cooler
placement?
Thanks
Al Grajek
RV8
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Scherder" <tomscherder(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: Re: Oil temp problems
Al,
Check to be sure that nothing has clogged your oil cooler intake. We had
high temps in the beginning and found that we had sucked a piece of paper
into the intake. While we had it apart we increased the size of the intake.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:32 PM
>
> Listers:
> I am seeing real high oil temps on my IO-360, Lycoming in my RV8. In the
> 270degree range. I have the 9 row oil cooler mounted on the rear baffle.
> This is a new engine. Any suggestions on what to look for? Better oil
cooler
> placement?
> Thanks
> Al Grajek
> RV8
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: James Freeman <flyeyes(at)mac.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2006
Subject: Re: Oil temp problems
On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:32 PM, Al Grajek wrote:
>
> Listers:
> I am seeing real high oil temps on my IO-360, Lycoming in my RV8.
> In the 270degree range. I have the 9 row oil cooler mounted on the
> rear baffle. This is a new engine. Any suggestions on what to look
> for? Better oil cooler placement?
> Thanks
> Al Grajek
> RV8
Al, this is common on the angle-valved engines. They just put more
heat into the oil. I'll send you some photos of my (not original)
solution off-list, but you can find the same info on doug reeves' site.
James Freeman
RV-8 N9TN, cool oil temps
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711(at)msn.com>
Date: Jul 22, 2006
Subject: Oil temp problems
Someone told me that early cowls had a 2" exhaust opening and that caused
some problems and this was later changed to a 3" opening. I also set the
cooler back from the baffle by 1/2 inch and it's tightly sealed. Just
something to check. My IO360A1B6 with the 9 row cooler and high compression
pistons rarely gets over 200 degrees (hot day full power climb at less than
100k IAS for several thousand feet) Good luck
Paul Schattauer
RV8 808PS
>From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: glenm(at)sealritedoor.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, scottr(at)vansaircraft.com
>Subject: RV8-List: Oil temp problems
>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:32:45 -0400
>
>
>Listers:
>I am seeing real high oil temps on my IO-360, Lycoming in my RV8. In the
>270degree range. I have the 9 row oil cooler mounted on the rear baffle.
>This is a new engine. Any suggestions on what to look for? Better oil
>cooler placement?
>Thanks
>Al Grajek
>RV8
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
>http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Date: Jul 31, 2006
Subject: Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight...
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com>
Date: Aug 01, 2006
Subject: Re: Oil temp problems
Al,
I experienced the same problem when my RV8 was new.
Tilt back the Oil cooler approx. 25 degrees. Make the brackets from 030 or
040 4130 steel. This fixed my problem. 1350 hours on this set up.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:32 PM
>
> Listers:
> I am seeing real high oil temps on my IO-360, Lycoming in my RV8. In the
> 270degree range. I have the 9 row oil cooler mounted on the rear baffle.
> This is a new engine. Any suggestions on what to look for? Better oil
> cooler placement?
> Thanks
> Al Grajek
> RV8
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jerry Ricciotti" <gfr56(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 02, 2006
Subject: Re: A GUIDE TO AIRCRAFT PAINTING & CORROSION CONTROL
Garey
Do you still have copies available
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:19 PM
>
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>
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From: Martin Sobel <rv8vator(at)comcast.net>
Date: Aug 02, 2006
Subject: DeltaHawk Engine and RV-8's
All:
I just returned from OSH.
I have been looking at the 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel over the past several
years.
See: http://www.deltahawkengines.com
Despite the difficulty of a brand new engine, I feel the benefits of this
diesel are too numerous to overlook. It will pay for itself by the time a
Lycoming is due for an overhaul. This forecast was made with last years fuel
prices.
I spoke with both DeltaHawk and Curt LoPresti of LoPresti Speed Merchants
<http://www.speedmods.com> about LoPresti designing both an engine mount and
cowl for the RV-8. If I can get a sufficient number of builders interested
in the DeltaHawk engine, LoPresti has agreed to design an engine mount and
Cowl.
One of LoPrestis concerns about getting into the homebuilt market is that
it is very easy to rip off a design for a cowl or fairing. A production
engine would need an STCd design. Selling only firewall forward kits might
help solve this problem. Any other ideas?
MT has a propeller on the DeltaHawk Velocity. Aero Composites
<http://www.aerocomposites.com> will be supplying a test propeller shortly.
I am hoping to get some support from Vans in identifying builders who might
be interested in taking the plunge, but as you may know, Van has not been
too supportive of alternative engines.
I have also spoken with DeltaHawk about starting a Yahoo Group for their
engines.
Should there be sufficient interest to proceed with this program I will
visit DeltaHawk for a first hand view of their engine and its progress. The
180 hp engine will be perfect for the RV-8/A. A properly designed cowl
should yield additional speed or economies. I dont think that there is a
better design company than LoPresti.
As a back up, I also spoke with Sam James. He said that they were very busy,
but he would talk with me. His location is not too far from me, nor is
LoPresti for that matter.
Id also appreciate any ideas in getting this word out to RV builders. I may
be that RV 7 and 9 builders could also benefit from this program.
Martin Sobel
7040 Treymore Court
Sarasota, FL 34243-5500
941-359-8693
941-539-4806 (Cell)
941-355-7732 (Fax)
614-789-4325 (thru 8/23/06)
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 02, 2006
Subject: Re: DeltaHawk Engine and RV-8's
I'm at LEAST 18 months from thinking about ordering an
engine, but have also been watching the Deltahawk
develop (and the Powersport rotary, and the Mistral,
and the Innodyne, and the ...) I'd be interested in
seeing what he can do.
Count me in
Bart
RV-8
Emp Done, wings under construction
I love the smell of Proseal in morning!
--- Martin Sobel wrote:
>
>
> All:
>
> I just returned from OSH.
>
> I have been looking at the 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel
> over the past several
> years.
>
> See: http://www.deltahawkengines.com
>
> Despite the difficulty of a brand new engine, I feel
> the benefits of this
> diesel are too numerous to overlook. It will pay for
> itself by the time a
> Lycoming is due for an overhaul. This forecast was
> made with last years fuel
> prices.
>
> I spoke with both DeltaHawk and Curt LoPresti of
> LoPresti Speed Merchants
> <http://www.speedmods.com> about LoPresti designing
> both an engine mount and
> cowl for the RV-8. If I can get a sufficient number
> of builders interested
> in the DeltaHawk engine, LoPresti has agreed to
> design an engine mount and
> Cowl.
>
> One of LoPrestis concerns about getting into the
> homebuilt market is that
> it is very easy to rip off a design for a cowl or
> fairing. A production
> engine would need an STCd design. Selling only
> firewall forward kits might
> help solve this problem. Any other ideas?
>
> MT has a propeller on the DeltaHawk Velocity. Aero
> Composites
> <http://www.aerocomposites.com> will be supplying a
> test propeller shortly.
>
> I am hoping to get some support from Vans in
> identifying builders who might
> be interested in taking the plunge, but as you may
> know, Van has not been
> too supportive of alternative engines.
>
> I have also spoken with DeltaHawk about starting a
> Yahoo Group for their
> engines.
>
> Should there be sufficient interest to proceed with
> this program I will
> visit DeltaHawk for a first hand view of their
> engine and its progress. The
> 180 hp engine will be perfect for the RV-8/A. A
> properly designed cowl
> should yield additional speed or economies. I dont
> think that there is a
> better design company than LoPresti.
>
> As a back up, I also spoke with Sam James. He said
> that they were very busy,
> but he would talk with me. His location is not too
> far from me, nor is
> LoPresti for that matter.
>
> Id also appreciate any ideas in getting this word
> out to RV builders. I may
> be that RV 7 and 9 builders could also benefit from
> this program.
>
> Martin Sobel
> 7040 Treymore Court
> Sarasota, FL 34243-5500
> 941-359-8693
> 941-539-4806 (Cell)
> 941-355-7732 (Fax)
> 614-789-4325 (thru 8/23/06)
>
>
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Date: Aug 06, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented...
Dear Listers,
Due to a number of requests to limit the size of incoming posts to the Lists because
of the recently added enclosure feature, I have add a new filter that will
limit the total size of any given message posted to the List. I have initially
set the limit to 2MB
and we'll see how everyone likes that.
If a member attempts to post a message that is greater than the set limit, they
will receive an email back indicating that their message wasn't posted to the
List and why. Also included in the message will be the current size limit and
how large their message
was.
Some might say that 2MB is still too large, but its a place to start...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Subject: EFIS Wars - (continued)
Date: Aug 07, 2006
From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com>
I'm at the avionics ordering stage of my -8A construction. I've narrowed
the EFIS options to AFS-3500 and GRT, but am leaning toward the 3500
because of the AOA option. Guess I'm getting old and too set in my ways,
but after 7000 hrs. of Navy flight time, I just need that AOA !! (Same
reason I selected the RV-8 - thousands of hours of cramped A-4 time
makes me doubt I could really fly if my shoulders weren't touching the
canopy rails.)
But I digress. The real question is: Has anyone actually flown with a
3400/3500 who can offer real airborne comments about howgozit?
Paul Valovich
Booger
-8A QB
Ridgecrest, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com>
Subject: EFIS Wars - (continued)
Date: Aug 07, 2006
Paul,
I convinced myself that I didn't want my Angle of Attack to be a part of the
EFIS and mounted the PS Sport AoA indicator on top of the windscreen. I made
a fiberglass hood to house and shade the indicator. After I bought the AoA,
Bluemountain offered it (the PS AoA) as an option on the my EFIS/one screen,
but I decided not to do it. I think they may have dropped the idea by now.
Terry
RV-8A finishing
Seattle
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Valovich, Paul
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: RV8-List: EFIS Wars - (continued)
I'm at the avionics ordering stage of my -8A construction. I've narrowed the
EFIS options to AFS-3500 and GRT, but am leaning toward the 3500 because of
the AOA option. Guess I'm getting old and too set in my ways, but after
7000 hrs. of Navy flight time, I just need that AOA !! (Same reason I
selected the RV-8 - thousands of hours of cramped A-4 time makes me doubt I
could really fly if my shoulders weren't touching the canopy rails.)
But I digress. The real question is: Has anyone actually flown with a
3400/3500 who can offer real airborne comments about howgozit?
Paul Valovich
Booger
-8A QB
Ridgecrest, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "6440 Auto Parts" <sales(at)6440autoparts.com>
Subject: Re: EFIS Wars - (continued)
Date: Aug 08, 2006
Or you could have it both ways as I did and have the GRT
efis and the AFS AOA.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Valovich, Paul
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:53 PM
Subject: RV8-List: EFIS Wars - (continued)
I'm at the avionics ordering stage of my -8A construction. I've
narrowed the EFIS options to AFS-3500 and GRT, but am leaning toward the
3500 because of the AOA option. Guess I'm getting old and too set in my
ways, but after 7000 hrs. of Navy flight time, I just need that AOA !!
(Same reason I selected the RV-8 - thousands of hours of cramped A-4
time makes me doubt I could really fly if my shoulders weren't touching
the canopy rails.)
But I digress. The real question is: Has anyone actually flown with a
3400/3500 who can offer real airborne comments about howgozit?
Paul Valovich
Booger
-8A QB
Ridgecrest, CA
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From: "Greg@itmack" <greg(at)itmack.com>
Subject: Classic Aero seats
Date: Aug 12, 2006
G'day all. Does anyone have any experience with Classic Aero seats with
the tall pilot option installed in there RV8? Does it affect their seat
back I'm assuming it rests on the WD808 like Vans and in which case it
will have to be longer.
The reason I'm asking here is that it took over a month last time for
Classic Aero to reply to my questions.
Thanks
Greg
82070
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From: "Tom Schad" <schad(at)cooke.net>
Subject: Re: Classic Aero seats
Date: Aug 11, 2006
Greg,
I have the tall seat option in my RV-8 and it is great. I'm six
four. It makes the seat back a little longer and you lean back a bit
more. I don't remember exactly how much longer it is. To many years
ago when I built the seat back, but I would guess maybe a couple of
inches.
I bought the foam for my seats from the folks in Lincoln Nebraska
that come to OSH and took it to my car guy. By the time I was done, I
had eight hundred bucks in both seats. We even used certified material.
The cushions are made up of several layers of temper foam. They have
"kits" made up with the correct amount of each foam for both seats.
Last year's price was about $400.00. Hope this helps a bit. Tom N558TX
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg@itmack
To: RV8-List(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:03 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Classic Aero seats
G'day all. Does anyone have any experience with Classic Aero seats
with the tall pilot option installed in there RV8? Does it affect their
seat back I'm assuming it rests on the WD808 like Vans and in which case
it will have to be longer.
The reason I'm asking here is that it took over a month last time for
Classic Aero to reply to my questions.
Thanks
Greg
82070
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Porter" <december29(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Classic Aero seats
Date: Aug 11, 2006
Hey Greg,
Don't know about the tall option, but I'm assuming they have it in the
mix. I just got my seats from Classic Aero and went to Albany to pick
them up. They turned out fantastic!!! The workmanship is top notch. I
was going to do the vans foam. But when I sat in their built-up seats,
that was the fastest like $1300 bucks that disappeared. Once again the
quality was above what I expected and they think about what they are
doing. Soooooo, I think they have already thought about it. Try them
on the phone. They were always there when I called. Unless you live in
Australia, then let me know and I'll call em for you.
Later,
John
80002
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg@itmack
To: RV8-List(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 7:03 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Classic Aero seats
G'day all. Does anyone have any experience with Classic Aero seats
with the tall pilot option installed in there RV8? Does it affect their
seat back I'm assuming it rests on the WD808 like Vans and in which case
it will have to be longer.
The reason I'm asking here is that it took over a month last time for
Classic Aero to reply to my questions.
Thanks
Greg
82070
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From: DONKEYVET(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 12, 2006
Subject: Re: Classic Aero seats
Greg,
Dittos with John! I too was blown away by the quality of my ClassicAero
seats. They exceeded my already high expectations. Being that they are about the
same length as the standard frame I bet they would work but I can't say for
sure.
My two cents worth!
Dennis Flosi
80712
P.S. I bet you could raise the piano hinge on the floor a little if they were
a little short.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: J2j3h4(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 14, 2006
Subject: Engine for sale
Since I have been informed that I cannot pass my medical, I am forced to
abandon my RV 7 project and have an engine for sale. It is a Lycoming 0-320 (no
suffix - this is apparently one of the earliest) complete with mags, carb,
alternator, & starter (no flywheel/starter ring). It has a hollow crankshaft
to allow the use of a constant-speed prop. I have the logs for the engine. In
the log book, the designation TC #274 follows the model number. The serial
no. is 3876-27. It is the 150 HP version and can run on auto gas. The first
log entry was 5/14/56. The engine was removed from a Piper-20-150 on 6/1/93
for replacement by a larger engine and has been in storage ever since. At the
time of its removal it had 1995 hours SMOH and 4399 total hours. It is
located at Ellington Airport (LUG) near Lewisburg, TN.
Based on similar engines I have seen advertised, I am asking $6500 and will
provide free shipping at this price, but will consider reasonable offers.
Jim Hasper
________________________________________________________________________________
From: jim-bean(at)att.net
Subject: Wandering Compass
Date: Aug 15, 2006
all,
I am experiencing large swings in the compass of my RV-8. It is a panel mount,
not vertical, from Vans. There is nothing really near it that carries
substantial current, just a G meter and the VOR indicator head. A Garmin 430 is
about 8 inches away. I have all of my fuses/breakers on the side panels so the
main panel has little on it with current flow. Could the rollover hoop be
magnitized? If it is, why doesn't the compass show a constant error rather than
swinging? Or could the (Chinese) compass just be junk?
Confused
Jim Bean
N99JA 37 hours.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich(at)cox.net>
Subject: Wandering Compass
Date: Aug 15, 2006
I used a bulk tape eraser to degauss the roll bar and the forward canopy
frame. This solved my compass error problem. After degaussing the compass
error correction screws were enough to zero out all remaining error.
If you do this make sure you take out all panel electronics first, including
CDI heads and such.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (260 hrs)
RV-10 (tail cone)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
jim-bean(at)att.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:34 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Wandering Compass
all,
I am experiencing large swings in the compass of my RV-8. It is a panel
mount,
not vertical, from Vans. There is nothing really near it that carries
substantial current, just a G meter and the VOR indicator head. A Garmin 430
is
about 8 inches away. I have all of my fuses/breakers on the side panels so
the
main panel has little on it with current flow. Could the rollover hoop be
magnitized? If it is, why doesn't the compass show a constant error rather
than
swinging? Or could the (Chinese) compass just be junk?
Confused
Jim Bean
N99JA 37 hours.
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From: mkejrj(at)comcast.net
Subject: First Flight
Date: Aug 22, 2006
N888BZ, aka "Sticky Stuff" broke the surly bonds this morning. My project was
in gestation close to 7 years. The first flight was the most fun I ever had with
my pants on!
Sticky Stuff is an RV8-A with a Superior IO-360, Sam James cowl & pants, Aero Composite
prop, and Blue Mountain's EFIS-One. Minor tweaking will be required to
correct a heavy starboard wing and a yawing requiring slight right rudder to
center the ball.
Thanks to my wife, who supported my efforts, to Van's for designing and supporting
this beautiful machine, and to my fellow listers -- we learn from those who
go before us.
Keep the shiny side up,
Dick Jordan
Malvern, PA 19355
N888BZ
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Subject: First Flight
Date: Aug 23, 2006
CONGRATULATIONS!:^)
Send some Pics
Al Grajek
RV8
Lexington, Ky
>From: mkejrj(at)comcast.net
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: First Flight
>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:58:35 +0000
>
>
>N888BZ, aka "Sticky Stuff" broke the surly bonds this morning. My project
>was in gestation close to 7 years. The first flight was the most fun I
>ever had with my pants on!
>
>Sticky Stuff is an RV8-A with a Superior IO-360, Sam James cowl & pants,
>Aero Composite prop, and Blue Mountain's EFIS-One. Minor tweaking will be
>required to correct a heavy starboard wing and a yawing requiring slight
>right rudder to center the ball.
>
>Thanks to my wife, who supported my efforts, to Van's for designing and
>supporting this beautiful machine, and to my fellow listers -- we learn
>from those who go before us.
>
>Keep the shiny side up,
>
>Dick Jordan
>Malvern, PA 19355
>N888BZ
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "The Bennetts" <gbennett92b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: First Flight
Date: Aug 23, 2006
Congrats Al, We would be interested in hearing about your future
performance specs as we are building the same aircraft with the same
engine----Gary Bennett gbennett92b(at)sbcglobal.net be- Original
Message -----
From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: First Flight
>
> CONGRATULATIONS!:^)
> Send some Pics
> Al Grajek
> RV8
> Lexington, Ky
>
>
>>From: mkejrj(at)comcast.net
>>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RV8-List: First Flight
>>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:58:35 +0000
>>
>>
>>N888BZ, aka "Sticky Stuff" broke the surly bonds this morning. My project
>>was in gestation close to 7 years. The first flight was the most fun I
>>ever had with my pants on!
>>
>>Sticky Stuff is an RV8-A with a Superior IO-360, Sam James cowl & pants,
>>Aero Composite prop, and Blue Mountain's EFIS-One. Minor tweaking will be
>>required to correct a heavy starboard wing and a yawing requiring slight
>>right rudder to center the ball.
>>
>>Thanks to my wife, who supported my efforts, to Van's for designing and
>>supporting this beautiful machine, and to my fellow listers -- we learn
>>from those who go before us.
>>
>>Keep the shiny side up,
>>
>>Dick Jordan
>>Malvern, PA 19355
>>N888BZ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Subject: Jim Sears
Date: Aug 31, 2006
Jim Sears:
If you see this message. I have lost your email. Drop me a line.
Al Grajek
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cdwambolt" <cdwambolt(at)cox.net>
Subject: Ski jump at wing trailing edge
Date: Sep 03, 2006
A while back there was a discussion about the wing trailing edge/flap
intersection being too tight on QB wings, and a special tool that Van's
has
to fix it. I am searching and searching, but can't find the thread. I
want
to see some of the pictures again. Can anyone point me in the right
direction?
Thanks
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
From: loringsrv8(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Ski jump at wing trailing edge
Date: Sep 04, 2006
Well Charlie, I can't point you in the right direction but here is my experience
(fwiw). This is the first I've seen on the list concerning the flap fit but
I had the same problem. I appeared that the 'U' shaped spar had been slightly
underbent on the top causing the skin and nose ogive to be slanted upward from
where it should have been. Using an adaptation of my tail surface trailing
edge bender I clamped the flap in and bent the nose down. It did indeed fix
the fit problem but the flap skin was now dished out between the ribs and looked
pretty bad. It was apparent that the rivets were stressed and that I should
have drilled them out before bending. Then they could have been redrilled and
oversize rivets put in (maybe). So, as it turned out I bought a new flap and
it fit just as well as the opposite one. On my contact with Van's about this,
they allowed as how it was probably impossible because everything is done
by CNC machinery! Having already bunged mine up, I f
elt my
only recourse was to by a new one. Van's never indicated how to fix it or if
they had any sort of a special tool for the job. My suggestion would be don't
do anything to the flap but return it to Van's for an exchange. (I wonder if
there might have been a bad batch or something like that?). Good luck!
Art Loring, Jr.
RV-8, O320CS, N211XZ, could fly this month
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2006
From: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: New Builder
Hi Everyone,
I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an RV-8 tail
kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll need. I have
been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeezer at Aircraft Tool
Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Squeeze". Both are about
the same cost. Does anyone have any opinions on them...? Also, can someone
recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary? Any other advice anyone
could provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill Settle
________________________________________
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2006
From: Dan <dan(at)rdan.com>
Subject: Re: New Builder
Bill,,,
Lots of advise is comming I'm sure, and it's all good.
As for me I bought a pheumatic squeezer right off and still don't have a hand
squeeze, as of yet I havn't needed the hand tool but I'm thinking about buying
one. it has to also fit the same yokes as the standard pheumatic
Welcome to the club
Dan
-8
finishing tail soon,.,
Ssnohomish WA
Bill & Debbie Settle wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an RV-8 tail
kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll need. I have
been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeezer at Aircraft Tool
Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Squeeze". Both are about
the same cost. Does anyone have any opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend
a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could
provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill Settle
________________________________________
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Builder
Date: Sep 06, 2006
From: "Jeff Preou" <jeff(at)preou.com>
I bought the Avery toolkit and also an Avery pneumatic squeezer (they wer
e on special at the time). I love the pneumatic and use it a lot, but the
re is still the odd occasion where the hand squeezer allows me easier con
trol. The yokes are interchangeable, I have the quick release pins and th
e adjustable set holder. Life is easy(-ier) with the right tools!! I just
figured that if I'm spending $150k (NZ) then an extra grand or two on
decent tools isn't really much in the grand scheme of things...
Cheers,
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Bill & Debbie Sett
le
Sent: Wed 6/09/2006 10:09 AM
Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
.com>
Hi Everyone,
I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an R
V-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll n
eed. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeez
er at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Sq
ueeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any opinions on
them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are the
y necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything would be
greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill Settle
________________________________________
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com Date: Sep 05, 2006
From: scott bilinski <rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: What cars w/L67?
What cars did the L-67 supercharged come in? Having a hard time locating one when
I dont know what car they came in.
Thanks
Scott
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
cell 858-395-5094
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: New Builder
Date: Sep 05, 2006
Bill
Congrats on the start and your ???? I started my 7A 2 years ago this month
(Sept.04 2006). Enjoyed every minute of it ....even the mistakes.......
Now to the tools questions. I do know that my son ( who I build homes with)
said Dad remember it is the tools. He said this as I was trying to decide to
buy the DRDT2 dimpler. I am glad I bought it. Saved time, made perfect
dimples, and was very easy to use. With that said I bought the Avery RV Kit,
pneumatic squeezer from the Tool Yard....4 inch no hole yoke and the
longerone yoke. I do kinda wished I had bought the Cleveland squeezer for
those time when a hand sqeezer makes more sense than the pneumatic. A dremel
is a must. I also have a belt sander, band saw, table saw, and on and on
and on. I feel sometimes like I have kept sears/lowes/home depot/Ace.....in
business. The more tools the better!
At a minimum build Vans practice kit. At a max. go to one of the schools
that will help you finish off your emanage (SP). I did the practice project
and had a good freind with a lot of build experience get me started. He did
give me one excellent piece of advice. "Be Patient". I can tell you every
time I have made a mistake I was pressing forward full speed under the
notion that, "I think this will work". NOT................My advice would
be: Get help with the learning curve, yes, be patient, don't rivet unless
the part is tied down solid, take your time, check out the web pages of the
great builders....Dan Checkoway, Walter Tondu, Sam Buchanan ...plus many
more on the Vans links. Last be not least read the instructions...get
claification where needed, and then measure trice/cut-drill-rivet-etc once.
I am now finishing up the canopy (tip up..a real mans plane canopy ....boy
will this start a discussion), wiring, panel stuff, FWF and .........Well
lets just say it will be done when it is done.
Again welcome, happy building, and I can't wait to read your email advice to
a newby! It will come sooner than you think. Oh ya never ever give up your
dream!
Frank @ SGU and SLC..........
>From: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle(at)peoplepc.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
>Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 18:09:50 -0400 (EDT)
>
>
>
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
>RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll
>need. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet
>squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The
>Main Squeeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any
>opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and
>are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything
>would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Bill Settle
>
>________________________________________
>PeoplePC Online
>A better way to Internet
>http://www.peoplepc.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2006
From: scott bilinski <rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: What cars w/L67?
Sorry wrong list!!!!
scott bilinski wrote:
What cars did the L-67 supercharged come in? Having a hard time locating one
when I dont know what car they came in.
Thanks
Scott
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
cell 858-395-5094
---------------------------------
---------------------------------
Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com>
Subject: Re: New Builder
Date: Sep 05, 2006
Bill,
BUY THE ONE FROM CLEVELAND.
Also buy only Cleveland or Avery dies.
I tried all of them and ended up selling the others at the OSH flea market.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill & Debbie Settle" <billsettle(at)peoplepc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:09 PM
Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
> RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll
> need. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet
> squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The
> Main Squeeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any
> opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and
> are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Settle
>
> ________________________________________
> PeoplePC Online
> A better way to Internet
> http://www.peoplepc.com
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2006
From: Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com>
Subject: Re: New Builder
Dan wrote:
> Bill,,,
> Lots of advise is comming I'm sure, and it's all good.
> As for me I bought a pheumatic squeezer right off and still don't have
> a hand squeeze, as of yet I havn't needed the hand tool but I'm
> thinking about buying one. it has to also fit the same yokes as the
> standard pheumatic
> Welcome to the club
> Dan
> -8
> finishing tail soon,.,
> Ssnohomish WA
I am finishing the fuselage kit and ready to order the finishing kit for
my RV-7A. Still only have the pneumatic squeezer, bought from Avery,
and don't have a hand squeezer.
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A, canoe flipped and ready to order the finishing kit
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Porter" <december29(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: New Builder
Date: Sep 05, 2006
Bill,
As the slowest RV-8 builder in the world (80002, yep, lots of zeros but
almost done.........no, really) I feel qualified to comment. I would like
to throw in my 2 cents for a pneumatic squeezer. They are not required, a
buddy and I are both building -8's in his shop, but we have commented to
each other that we should have gotten one to save time. You use it and then
can sell it for probably not much less than you paid for it. In riveting 4
wings, 27 ailerons, 11 tail pieces.............okay, I'm exaggerating, but
there were times where you thought you would end up with Popeye forearms.
Now the guys that want you to smelt the kit out of ore will disagree. But
to be totally honest, I bought a bunch of crap that people said I "needed"
to have that I used maybe once (or not at all).
Having a pneumatic squeezer is like having a really great looking wife.
Sure it's not necessary, but in the end, you'll be really happy you had one.
Okay, philosophy was not my major, but it seems right. Bill, have fun with
the kit and build it faster than me (10 years, 4 years of building is a long
time...........my "G" tolerance has gone from over 7 to about 2........
Later,
John
december29(at)bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill & Debbie Settle" <billsettle(at)peoplepc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:09 PM
Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
> RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll
> need. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet
> squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The
> Main Squeeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any
> opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and
> are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Settle
>
> ________________________________________
> PeoplePC Online
> A better way to Internet
> http://www.peoplepc.com
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dick DeCramer" <diesel(at)rconnect.com>
Subject: RV8 List- New Builder
Date: Sep 05, 2006
Bill,
I have built a slow build RV6, rebuilt an RV4 wreck, and am now starting an
RV8. The rivet tools I have are an Avery 3X rivet gun, and an Avery hand
squeezer with a 3" yoke and rivet dies from either Avery or Cleaveland Tool
( can't remember which one.), and a standard "C" frame rivet unit. I still
don't have a pneumatic squeezer.
I probably won't buy one although I would buy one if the urge appears but
it is really unnecessary although I am sure you will get a lot builders
telling you it is a must item but that is the nature of tools. You cannot
complete the project without the manual squeezer, the rivet gun and a good
selection of dies and bucking bars so put your money there first. Most of
your rivets will be 3/32" which can be set very easily with almost
anything. The 1/8" rivets take a little "oomph" to set but it is not all
that bad. Rather than spend $300 on a pneumatic squeezer buy a right angle
drill which really comes in handy during later fuselage work. In addition
to these tools, I have a belt sander, bench grinder with a 6" Scotchbrite
wheel, a band saw, and a drill press. BTW I have used three hand
squeezers, an Avery which I own, a "Tatco" and another unknown brand...the
one I prefer is the Tatco as it is a fine, well built tool, even though it
is a simple squeezer, it does operate very smoothly and squeezes with
little effort. It's like comparing Milwaukee or Dewalt to Black & Decker.
Dick DeCramer
N500DD RV6 Slide
0-320 Hart. C/S prop
2 yrs and 160 hrs of great flying, Keep working!!!
diesel(at)rconnect.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: New Builder
Date: Sep 06, 2006
Welcome aboard, Bill!
>Also, can someone
>recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary? Any other advice
anyone
>could provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.
>Thanks,
>Bill Settle
I'm finishing up (whatever that means...) my RV-8. I have an Avery hand
squeezer. I do not have a pneumatic squeezer, and although I've had the
opportunity to use one elsewhere, I don't see the value in owning one. If
I was setting heavy rivets on an assembly line I might see things
differently, but to me they are a waste of resources in the context of
building an RV. The rivets used in building an RV are not hard to squeeze
at all. Whatever effort one expends actually setting rivets by hand is
offset by the effort of lugging the relatively heavy pneumatic squeezer
around.
Just one more data point, and worth precisely what you paid for it-
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cvondoymi" <cvondoymi(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV8-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 09/05/06
Date: Sep 06, 2006
Bill, Buy the "Main Squezze" . Carl----- Original Message -----
From: "RV8-List Digest Server" <rv8-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:57 PM
Subject: RV8-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 09/05/06
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>
> 1. 03:10 PM - New Builder (Bill & Debbie Settle)
> 2. 03:47 PM - Re: New Builder (Dan)
> 3. 04:18 PM - Re: New Builder (Jeff Preou)
> 4. 04:59 PM - What cars w/L67? (scott bilinski)
> 5. 05:39 PM - Re: New Builder (Frank Stringham)
> 6. 06:03 PM - Re: What cars w/L67? (scott bilinski)
> 7. 06:29 PM - Re: New Builder (dick martin)
> 8. 07:09 PM - Re: New Builder (Steve Eberhart)
> 9. 07:14 PM - Re: New Builder (John Porter)
> 10. 08:12 PM - RV8 List- New Builder (Dick DeCramer)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle(at)peoplepc.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
> RV-8 tail
> kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll need. I
> have
> been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeezer at Aircraft
> Tool
> Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Squeeze". Both are
> about
> the same cost. Does anyone have any opinions on them...? Also, can
> someone
> recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary? Any other advice
> anyone
> could provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Settle
>
> ________________________________________
> PeoplePC Online
> A better way to Internet
> http://www.peoplepc.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Dan <dan(at)rdan.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Builder
>
> Bill,,,
> Lots of advise is comming I'm sure, and it's all good.
> As for me I bought a pheumatic squeezer right off and still don't have a
> hand
> squeeze, as of yet I havn't needed the hand tool but I'm thinking about
> buying
> one. it has to also fit the same yokes as the standard pheumatic
> Welcome to the club
> Dan
> -8
> finishing tail soon,.,
> Ssnohomish WA
>
>
> Bill & Debbie Settle wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
> RV-8 tail
> kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll need. I
> have
> been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeezer at Aircraft
> Tool
> Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Squeeze". Both are
> about
> the same cost. Does anyone have any opinions on them...? Also, can someone
> recommend
> a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could
> provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Settle
>
> ________________________________________
> PeoplePC Online
> A better way to Internet
> http://www.peoplepc.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Builder
> From: "Jeff Preou" <jeff(at)preou.com>
>
> I bought the Avery toolkit and also an Avery pneumatic squeezer (they wer
> e on special at the time). I love the pneumatic and use it a lot, but the
> re is still the odd occasion where the hand squeezer allows me easier con
> trol. The yokes are interchangeable, I have the quick release pins and th
> e adjustable set holder. Life is easy(-ier) with the right tools!! I just
> figured that if I'm spending $150k (NZ) then an extra grand or two on
> decent tools isn't really much in the grand scheme of things...
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Jeff Preou
> Hamilton, New Zealand
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Bill & Debbie Sett
> le
> Sent: Wed 6/09/2006 10:09 AM
> Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
>
>
> .com>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an R
> V-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll n
> eed. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeez
> er at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Sq
> ueeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any opinions on
> them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are the
> y necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Settle
>
> ________________________________________
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>>
>>Hi Everyone,
>>
>>I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
>>RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll
>>need. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet
>>squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The
>>Main Squeeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any
>>opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and
>>are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything
>>would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Bill Settle
>>
>>________________________________________
>>PeoplePC Online
>>A better way to Internet
>>http://www.peoplepc.com
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: scott bilinski <rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: What cars w/L67?
>
> Sorry wrong list!!!!
>
> scott bilinski wrote:
> What cars did the L-67 supercharged come in? Having a hard time
> locating one
> when I dont know what car they came in.
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> RV-8a
> cell 858-395-5094
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Builder
>
>
> Bill,
> BUY THE ONE FROM CLEVELAND.
> Also buy only Cleveland or Avery dies.
> I tried all of them and ended up selling the others at the OSH flea
> market.
> Dick Martin
> RV8 N233M
> the fast one
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill & Debbie Settle" <billsettle(at)peoplepc.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:09 PM
> Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
>
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
>> RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll
>> need. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet
>> squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The
>> Main Squeeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any
>> opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer
>> and
>> are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill Settle
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> PeoplePC Online
>> A better way to Internet
>> http://www.peoplepc.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: Steve Eberhart <steve(at)newtech.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Builder
>
>
> Dan wrote:
>
>> Bill,,,
>> Lots of advise is comming I'm sure, and it's all good.
>> As for me I bought a pheumatic squeezer right off and still don't have
>> a hand squeeze, as of yet I havn't needed the hand tool but I'm
>> thinking about buying one. it has to also fit the same yokes as the
>> standard pheumatic
>> Welcome to the club
>> Dan
>> -8
>> finishing tail soon,.,
>> Ssnohomish WA
>
> I am finishing the fuselage kit and ready to order the finishing kit for
> my RV-7A. Still only have the pneumatic squeezer, bought from Avery,
> and don't have a hand squeezer.
>
> Steve Eberhart
> RV-7A, canoe flipped and ready to order the finishing kit
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "John Porter" <december29(at)bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Builder
>
>
> Bill,
> As the slowest RV-8 builder in the world (80002, yep, lots of zeros but
> almost done.........no, really) I feel qualified to comment. I would
> like
> to throw in my 2 cents for a pneumatic squeezer. They are not required, a
> buddy and I are both building -8's in his shop, but we have commented to
> each other that we should have gotten one to save time. You use it and
> then
> can sell it for probably not much less than you paid for it. In riveting
> 4
> wings, 27 ailerons, 11 tail pieces.............okay, I'm exaggerating, but
> there were times where you thought you would end up with Popeye forearms.
> Now the guys that want you to smelt the kit out of ore will disagree. But
> to be totally honest, I bought a bunch of crap that people said I "needed"
> to have that I used maybe once (or not at all).
> Having a pneumatic squeezer is like having a really great looking
> wife.
> Sure it's not necessary, but in the end, you'll be really happy you had
> one.
> Okay, philosophy was not my major, but it seems right. Bill, have fun
> with
> the kit and build it faster than me (10 years, 4 years of building is a
> long
> time...........my "G" tolerance has gone from over 7 to about 2........
>
> Later,
>
> John
> december29(at)bellsouth.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill & Debbie Settle" <billsettle(at)peoplepc.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:09 PM
> Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
>
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
>> RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll
>> need. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet
>> squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The
>> Main Squeeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any
>> opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer
>> and
>> are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything
>> would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill Settle
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> PeoplePC Online
>> A better way to Internet
>> http://www.peoplepc.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Dick DeCramer" <diesel(at)rconnect.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: RV8 List- New Builder
>
>
> Bill,
>
> I have built a slow build RV6, rebuilt an RV4 wreck, and am now starting
> an
> RV8. The rivet tools I have are an Avery 3X rivet gun, and an Avery hand
> squeezer with a 3" yoke and rivet dies from either Avery or Cleaveland
> Tool
> ( can't remember which one.), and a standard "C" frame rivet unit. I
> still
> don't have a pneumatic squeezer.
> I probably won't buy one although I would buy one if the urge appears but
> it is really unnecessary although I am sure you will get a lot builders
> telling you it is a must item but that is the nature of tools. You cannot
> complete the project without the manual squeezer, the rivet gun and a good
> selection of dies and bucking bars so put your money there first. Most of
> your rivets will be 3/32" which can be set very easily with almost
> anything. The 1/8" rivets take a little "oomph" to set but it is not all
> that bad. Rather than spend $300 on a pneumatic squeezer buy a right
> angle
> drill which really comes in handy during later fuselage work. In addition
> to these tools, I have a belt sander, bench grinder with a 6" Scotchbrite
> wheel, a band saw, and a drill press. BTW I have used three hand
> squeezers, an Avery which I own, a "Tatco" and another unknown brand...the
> one I prefer is the Tatco as it is a fine, well built tool, even though it
> is a simple squeezer, it does operate very smoothly and squeezes with
> little effort. It's like comparing Milwaukee or Dewalt to Black & Decker.
>
>
> Dick DeCramer
> N500DD RV6 Slide
> 0-320 Hart. C/S prop
> 2 yrs and 160 hrs of great flying, Keep working!!!
> diesel(at)rconnect.com
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 07, 2006
From: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Advice for the Newby
Gentlemen,
I sincerely appreciate everyone's input on the tool questions I had. I think for
now, I'll buy the Main Squeeze and see how that works before deciding what
to do about a pneumatic squeezer.
Thanks again,
Bill Settle
________________________________________
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A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net" <llsbiii3(at)netzero.net>
Date: Sep 07, 2006
Subject: Re: RV8-List New Builder (tools)
The pneumatic squeezer permits one hand to hold parts. I am happy with m
y Main Squeeze, and DSRT. My pneumatic squeezerorginally came fro Clear
air.
Welcome aboard, Bill!
>Also, can someone
>recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary? Any other advice
anyone
>could provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.
The pneumatic squeezer permits one hand to hold parts. I am happy
with my Main Squeeze, and DSRT. My pneumatic squeezerorginall
y came fro Clear air.
Welcome aboard, Bill!
>Also, can someone
>recommend a pneumatic&
nbsp;squeezer and are they necessary? Any
other advice
anyone
>could provide on anyth
ing would be greatly appreciated.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Builder
Date: Sep 07, 2006
From: "Valovich, Paul" <pvalovich(at)dcscorp.com>
If you have the $, I highly recommend the pneumatic squeezer. It not
only speeds the repetitive dimpling / riveting process involved in
attaching the larger skins and other components, it also provides
consistency with the appearance of the numerous rivets that is difficult
to achieve with a hand squeezer.
Got mine (refurbished) from U.S. Industrial Tools and have been
completely satisfied with the operation and value received.
And an off track lesson learned from long-ago posts: If you do get one,
don't oil it like you do drills and other tools.
Paul Valovich
Ridgecrest, CA
-8A QB - Interior paint, about to spend big bucks on a motor and
avionics
________________________________________________________________________________
From: <billsettle(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Advice For The Newby
Date: Sep 07, 2006
Thanks guys for the info on the pneumatic vs main squeeze. I ordered the
main squeeze today. I had not thought about having one hand free to hold
parts. That's something to think about... Then again, I'm sure the little
wifey will be there the whole way to hold parts for me... right?
Another question please, if I may... I'm filling out my order form for my
tail kit as we speak. Do I want electric trim or manual? I just sold my
Luscombe and it didn't know anything about electrically operated control
surfaces.
Thanks,
Bill Settle.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Advice For The Newby
Date: Sep 08, 2006
From: "Jeff Preou" <jeff(at)preou.com>
I went manual (no motor to fail or anything), but then I read about a
gadget that will operate the flaps and the trim auto-magically together.
Cool :-) Very handy; no re-trimming when deploying flaps on approach, or
hauling them up during a go around. I *might* convert: haven't decided
yet.
RE: tools. If you don't get the pneumatic, do yourself a BIG favour and
get a DRDT-2; actually, do the tail first, *then* get the DRDT-2 before
the wing skins come along. You'll appreciate it much more then. I
guarantee it will be a decision you won't regret!
Cheers,
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
-----Original Message-----
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billsettle(at)peoplepc.com
Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 12:32 p.m.
Subject: RV8-List: Advice For The Newby
Thanks guys for the info on the pneumatic vs main squeeze. I ordered
the main squeeze today. I had not thought about having one hand free to
hold parts. That's something to think about... Then again, I'm sure
the little wifey will be there the whole way to hold parts for me...
right?
Another question please, if I may... I'm filling out my order form for
my tail kit as we speak. Do I want electric trim or manual? I just
sold my Luscombe and it didn't know anything about electrically operated
control surfaces.
Thanks,
Bill Settle.
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Date: Sep 07, 2006
From: Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Advice for the Newby
Another thing to consider regarding the trim
selection. There is an autopilot, I believe a TruTrak
model, that will automatically adjust your elevator
trim while maintaining, and / or while climbind or
descending at a desired rate.
Increases your servo longevity, and makes life a
little easier on you. (Assuming there will be an AP
in there!)
--- Bill & Debbie Settle
wrote:
>
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> I sincerely appreciate everyone's input on the tool
> questions I had. I think for now, I'll buy the Main
> Squeeze and see how that works before deciding what
> to do about a pneumatic squeezer.
>
> Thanks again,
> Bill Settle
>
> ________________________________________
>
>
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> Subscriptions page,
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Date: Sep 08, 2006
From: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Advice For The Newby
Thanks Jeff, I appreciate it.
Bill.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Preou <jeff(at)preou.com>
>Sent: Sep 7, 2006 10:08 PM
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Advice For The Newby
>
>
>I went manual (no motor to fail or anything), but then I read about a
>gadget that will operate the flaps and the trim auto-magically together.
>Cool :-) Very handy; no re-trimming when deploying flaps on approach, or
>hauling them up during a go around. I *might* convert: haven't decided
>yet.
>
>RE: tools. If you don't get the pneumatic, do yourself a BIG favour and
>get a DRDT-2; actually, do the tail first, *then* get the DRDT-2 before
>the wing skins come along. You'll appreciate it much more then. I
>guarantee it will be a decision you won't regret!
>
>Cheers,
>--
>Jeff Preou
>Hamilton, New Zealand
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>billsettle(at)peoplepc.com
>Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 12:32 p.m.
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: Advice For The Newby
>
>
>Thanks guys for the info on the pneumatic vs main squeeze. I ordered
>the main squeeze today. I had not thought about having one hand free to
>hold parts. That's something to think about... Then again, I'm sure
>the little wifey will be there the whole way to hold parts for me...
>right?
>
>Another question please, if I may... I'm filling out my order form for
>my tail kit as we speak. Do I want electric trim or manual? I just
>sold my Luscombe and it didn't know anything about electrically operated
>control surfaces.
>
>Thanks,
>Bill Settle.
>
>
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Date: Sep 08, 2006
From: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle(at)peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Advice for the Newby
Ah.. The closest thing to an AP that I had planned on was my bride. But then again,
that's why I'm putting her behind me instead of beside me...
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com>
>Sent: Sep 8, 2006 1:05 AM
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Advice for the Newby
>
>
>Another thing to consider regarding the trim
>selection. There is an autopilot, I believe a TruTrak
>model, that will automatically adjust your elevator
>trim while maintaining, and / or while climbind or
>descending at a desired rate.
>
>Increases your servo longevity, and makes life a
>little easier on you. (Assuming there will be an AP
>in there!)
>
>--- Bill & Debbie Settle
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I sincerely appreciate everyone's input on the tool
>> questions I had. I think for now, I'll buy the Main
>> Squeeze and see how that works before deciding what
>> to do about a pneumatic squeezer.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Bill Settle
>>
>> ________________________________________
>>
>>
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
>>
>> Web Forums!
>>
>>
>> Admin.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>__________________________________________________
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Squeezer technique- was New Builder
Date: Sep 08, 2006
Hi All-
> ...The pneumatic squeezer permits one hand to hold parts...
>
> ... it also provides consistency with the appearance of the numerous
rivets that is difficult
> to achieve with a hand squeezer.
Well, this squeezer thread has got me curious as to how people are using
their hand squeezers and having difficulties. I only have experience with
one pneumatic squeezer, but it most definitely required two hands to
operate, and none on the parts. It was a large, heavy unit.
When using my Avery hand squeezer, I initially adjust it so that with the
dies just closed on an unset rivet, the handles form about a 20 degree
angle. This allows me to hold the squeezer (choked up) in one hand and the
parts in the other. I squeeze the rivet just enough to hold the parts in
the proper relationship. I can then grip switch, if desired, to something
more comfortable. I incrementally adjust the ram until the rivet is set
correctly when the squeezer is operated to the stop. Thus, all the rivets
in a series come out with perfect consistency, and with no extra effort.
The only time I've had an issue using the hand squeezer was in mounting rod
end adaptors into the control system tubing. I believe the cleating I
experienced would have been the same with a pneumatic unit, and the problem
was rectified by putting the part in a padded vise.
I hope this is of use-
gm
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Advice For The Newby
Date: Sep 08, 2006
Bill
I really lke manual trim But did go electric in my seven. I too would like
to hear from those that are now flying to get their take on which is best.
Bill, I would strongly recommend to you the pneumatic. Unform rivets, ease
of use, some parts will only allow for a small unit to get at the
rivet................Fo many parts my vise is used as a second/third/fourth
hand when riveting with the pneumatic.
I went without for a while but FINALLY gave in and bought the air
squeezer....very little $$$$$$$$$$$$ for the results. Maybe someone in your
area has one and will allow you a demo squeeze.
Frank @ SGU and SLC wiring/fwf
>From: <billsettle(at)peoplepc.com>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RV8-List: Advice For The Newby
>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 20:31:37 -0400
>
>
>Thanks guys for the info on the pneumatic vs main squeeze. I ordered the
>main squeeze today. I had not thought about having one hand free to hold
>parts. That's something to think about... Then again, I'm sure the little
>wifey will be there the whole way to hold parts for me... right?
>
>Another question please, if I may... I'm filling out my order form for my
>tail kit as we speak. Do I want electric trim or manual? I just sold my
>Luscombe and it didn't know anything about electrically operated control
>surfaces.
>
>Thanks,
>Bill Settle.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 08, 2006
From: Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Squeezer technique- was New Builder
I use both. The yokes are interchangeable too. I got
them from Avery and use the pneumatic quite easily
with one hand. It is big and heavy, and my arm will
start to get tired after about 100 rivets, but I do
find it quite simple. It does take sonme getting used
to though, finessing the thumb lever in all attitudes,
upside down, backwards, left handed, using different
fingers, etc.
There are times though, that it just won't fit, and
the hand squeezer fits nicely. I then have to use the
hand squeezer, where my arms are tired after about 5
rivets. You do need to be extra cautious when using
the hand squeezer. Be sure the rivet is sitting in
the hole properly before you squeeze it enough to lock
it into place.
I reach for the pnuematic first. If it doesn't fit,
I try the hand held. If it won't work, I consider the
C-frame. After that, I weigh other options depending
on the situation.
Best of luck to all,
Bart Filipiak
Empennage done, Left wing nearly done.
--- glen matejcek wrote:
>
>
> Hi All-
>
> > ...The pneumatic squeezer permits one hand to hold
> parts...
> >
> > ... it also provides consistency with the
> appearance of the numerous
> rivets that is difficult
> > to achieve with a hand squeezer.
>
> Well, this squeezer thread has got me curious as to
> how people are using
> their hand squeezers and having difficulties. I
> only have experience with
> one pneumatic squeezer, but it most definitely
> required two hands to
> operate, and none on the parts. It was a large,
> heavy unit.
>
> When using my Avery hand squeezer, I initially
> adjust it so that with the
> dies just closed on an unset rivet, the handles form
> about a 20 degree
> angle. This allows me to hold the squeezer (choked
> up) in one hand and the
> parts in the other. I squeeze the rivet just enough
> to hold the parts in
> the proper relationship. I can then grip switch, if
> desired, to something
> more comfortable. I incrementally adjust the ram
> until the rivet is set
> correctly when the squeezer is operated to the stop.
> Thus, all the rivets
> in a series come out with perfect consistency, and
> with no extra effort.
>
> The only time I've had an issue using the hand
> squeezer was in mounting rod
> end adaptors into the control system tubing. I
> believe the cleating I
> experienced would have been the same with a
> pneumatic unit, and the problem
> was rectified by putting the part in a padded vise.
>
>
> I hope this is of use-
>
> gm
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Smith" <esmith6(at)satx.rr.com>
Subject: Fw: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Date: Sep 21, 2006
Hey gang.........I sent this to ehotline(at)eaa.org I need some
opinions on this from you homebuilders...I hope I don't start a
fire-storm...Please be civil and nice in your reply's, as Hollywood
says, "please don't shoot the messenger." ...........CHEERS!!!!
There are many, many of us out here that would like to see another
convention for experimentals, homebuilts and kitplanes, ONLY!
NO WARBIRDS, NO COMMERCIAL JETS OR ALL THE ASSOCIATED STUFF THAT RIDES
WITH THE WADS OF CASH THAT FLOWS WITH ALL THAT CONGLOMERATION WE HAVE TO
PUT-UP WITH!
THE CONVENTION AS IT IS NOW, IS ALMOST OUT OF CONTROL AND SO LARGE THAT
PEOPLE FLYING IN HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO LAND.
We want our convention back to where it was before the economics took
over and has diluted us to where we can hardly find a parking place, and
are pushed into the background by the "big guys" with the bankrolls and
political connections.
Can't we please have another convention for us "little guys?" I
guarantee you will get many responsive eager folks rising to the
occasion.
I'm a builder, and everywhere I go, I hear pilots/builders voicing
complaints about this situation.
Thanks for your time...Please investigate this complaint for a solution.
Gene Smith
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 22, 2006
Subject: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Gene,
I agree with you 100%!!!
Stan Sutterfield
Tampa
Hey gang.........I sent this to ehotline(at)eaa.org I need some
opinions on this from you homebuilders...I hope I don't start a
fire-storm...Please be civil and nice in your reply's, as Hollywood
says, "please don't shoot the messenger." ...........CHEERS!!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Ellis" <johnee(at)ldd.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Date: Sep 22, 2006
Great idea....
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Smith
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:15 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Fw: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Hall" <john(at)hallaviation.com>
Date: Sep 22, 2006
Subject: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
I think many of us are involved in other facets of aviation. I
personally enjoy the opportunity to see "everything aviation" at a single
event, as I don't have the time or budget to attend numerous "product
specific" venues. The crowds are certainly a hassle, but they
handle them well. John HallSan Antonio TXRV-8 N550PJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:23:14 EDT
Gene,I agree with you 100%!!!Stan SutterfieldTampa
Hey gang.........I sent this to ehotline(at)eaa.org I need some
opinions on this from you homebuilders...I hope I don't start a
fire-storm...Please be civil and nice in your reply's, as Hollywood
says, "please don't shoot the messenger." ...........CHEERS!!!!
===
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From: "Chuck Chappell" <chuck456(at)pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Date: Sep 22, 2006
Well said John,
Also don't forget if the cost of producing the event didn't get spread
amongst the many vendors then those vendors that you want to see and talk to
might not be able to afford the cost of being there. I personally don't have
much more than a passing interest in war birds and the varied certified
airplanes that attend, but a lot of the ticket buyers come just to see those
and again that spreads the cost of the event to make it affordable for
everyone.
Chuck Chappell
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hall
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
I think many of us are involved in other facets of aviation. I personally
enjoy the opportunity to see "everything aviation" at a single event, as I
don't have the time or budget to attend numerous "product specific" venues.
The crowds are certainly a hassle, but they handle them well.
John Hall
San Antonio TX
RV-8 N550PJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:23:14 EDT
Gene,
I agree with you 100%!!!
Stan Sutterfield
Tampa
Hey gang.........I sent this to ehotline(at)eaa.org I need some
opinions on this from you homebuilders...I hope I don't start a
fire-storm...Please be civil and nice in your reply's, as Hollywood
says, "please don't shoot the messenger." ...........CHEERS!!!!
://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
nics.com
.com
.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "6440 Auto Parts" <sales(at)6440autoparts.com>
Subject: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Date: Sep 22, 2006
Airventure 2006 was the first time I had ever been to Osh
Kosh. And honestly if there we're only experimental aircraft there I
believe I would have been bored with it. Even though I am building one.
If it was only experimental they would probably want to call it
something like "the ultimate RV fly-in" for obvious reason's )). As it
was I spent an entire week and still did'nt see and do all I wanted to.
I believe you are correct about the big dollar boy's hoisting
most of the bill. I even visited the Ford automobile tent for a bit and
enjoyed it even though it had nothing to do with aviation. I also
enjoyed looking at all the certified aircraft venders and getting some
ideas for my experimental from them. Heck even some of the dog and pony
show's in the big hangers we're interesting and I'm sure the rent they
paid helped to keep the cost down for us adventurer's. I spent a lot of
time taking classes and listening to lecture's on expimental aviation
related interests in the Poly Fiber forum's. To me that was worth the
cost of admission and the rest was just icing on the cake.
All & all even though Osh is'nt exactly experimental
aircraft only it is very informative and enteratining. The only thing I
would really want to see changed about it is more transportaion getting
around on site. Wow my feet, legs, back are still killing me. All that
excercise is hard on old fat men like me ))))). Maybe what is needed is
to start another experimental ONLY type of a deal somewhere in a middle
US state later in the year when the weather cools down. Say maybe
Missouri, Kansas, Arkansas, Nebraska etc. to be more centrally loctated.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Chappell
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Well said John,
Also don't forget if the cost of producing the event didn't get spread
amongst the many vendors then those vendors that you want to see and
talk to might not be able to afford the cost of being there. I
personally don't have much more than a passing interest in war birds and
the varied certified airplanes that attend, but a lot of the ticket
buyers come just to see those and again that spreads the cost of the
event to make it affordable for everyone.
Chuck Chappell
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hall
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:01 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
I think many of us are involved in other facets of aviation. I
personally enjoy the opportunity to see "everything aviation" at a
single event, as I don't have the time or budget to attend numerous
"product specific" venues. The crowds are certainly a hassle, but they
handle them well.
John Hall
San Antonio TX
RV-8 N550PJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:23:14 EDT
Gene,
I agree with you 100%!!!
Stan Sutterfield
Tampa
Hey gang.........I sent this to ehotline(at)eaa.org I need some
opinions on this from you homebuilders...I hope I don't start a
fire-storm...Please be civil and nice in your reply's, as
Hollywood
says, "please don't shoot the messenger." ...........CHEERS!!!!
://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-Listnics.com.com.matronics.com/contrib
ution
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 22, 2006
From: Duane Leach <ninetyninewest(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Hey Randy,
This comment may not be to well reseived, but here goes anyway.
I agree with the comment about the big underwriters. A major sell out that
Tom in my estimation is responsible for. I do not believe that it would have
occured under Paul's leadership.
On the issue of ground transport I take the opposite point of view. Having
attended for past quarter of a century it was much saner when everyone walked
and no one rode. All and I mean all vendors, and exhibitors parked off the
grounds.
Biased? Yes, but I remember it when.....You enjoy it more and cold beer
at the end of day tastes better when you know that you have been to the greatest
aviation event in the world bar none. I have flown aircraft to Fairnsbourogh
and the Paris airshows thanks to the DoD.
RV-8 builders are the friendliest and most anxious to assist people about.
Randy you are on a good track by suggesting an experimental gathering. You
know we really do need as much assistance and opportunity to meet as possible.
Respectfully,
Duane Leach
6440 Auto Parts wrote:
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Airventure 2006 was the first time I had ever been to Osh Kosh. And honestly
if there we're only experimental aircraft there I believe I would have
been bored with it. Even though I am building one. If it was only experimental
they would probably want to call it something like "the ultimate RV fly-in" for
obvious reason's )). As it was I spent an entire week and still did'nt see
and do all I wanted to.
I believe you are correct about the big dollar boy's hoisting most
of the bill. I even visited the Ford automobile tent for a bit and enjoyed it
even though it had nothing to do with aviation. I also enjoyed looking at all
the certified aircraft venders and getting some ideas for my experimental from
them. Heck even some of the dog and pony show's in the big hangers we're interesting
and I'm sure the rent they paid helped to keep the cost down for us adventurer's.
I spent a lot of time taking classes and listening to lecture's on
expimental aviation related interests in the Poly Fiber forum's. To me that
was worth the cost of admission and the rest was just icing on the cake.
All & all even though Osh is'nt exactly experimental aircraft only
it is very informative and enteratining. The only thing I would really want
to see changed about it is more transportaion getting around on site. Wow my feet,
legs, back are still killing me. All that excercise is hard on old fat men
like me ))))). Maybe what is needed is to start another experimental ONLY type
of a deal somewhere in a middle US state later in the year when the weather
cools down. Say maybe Missouri, Kansas, Arkansas, Nebraska etc. to be more centrally
loctated.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Chappell
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Well said John,
Also dont forget if the cost of producing the event didnt get spread amongst
the many vendors then those vendors that you want to see and talk to might not
be able to afford the cost of being there. I personally dont have much more than
a passing interest in war birds and the varied certified airplanes that attend,
but a lot of the ticket buyers come just to see those and again that spreads
the cost of the event to make it affordable for everyone.
Chuck Chappell
---------------------------------
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hall
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
I think many of us are involved in other facets of aviation. I personally enjoy
the opportunity to see "everything aviation" at a single event, as I don't
have the time or budget to attend numerous "product specific" venues. The crowds
are certainly a hassle, but they handle them well.
John Hall
San Antonio TX
RV-8 N550PJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Subject: RV8-List: Re: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:23:14 EDT
Gene,
I agree with you 100%!!!
Stan Sutterfield
Tampa
Hey gang.........I sent this to ehotline(at)eaa.org I need some
opinions on this from you homebuilders...I hope I don't start a
fire-storm...Please be civil and nice in your reply's, as Hollywood
says, "please don't shoot the messenger." ...........CHEERS!!!!
://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
nics.com
.com
.matronics.com/contribution
.com/Navigator?RV8-List
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Date: Sep 23, 2006
Hi All-
Well. It's going to be tough for me to keep this terse.
A couple of observations:
I agree with the sentiments expressed by all so far. The big problem is keeping
them all in balance, and within an economically viable structure.
I think a successful homebuilt convention could well be the beginning (continuing?)
of the end of OSH, or at least it's diminishing by an order of magnitude.
I wouldn't like that. Rather, I would like to see a re-emphasis of aviation and
aviators at OSH, and a de-emphasis on making money.
We are reasonably financially successful and happy individuals in large part because
we live within our means, whatever those means might be. EAA needs to be
reacquainted with that concept, and needs to stop the money grubbing and pandering
to the likes of Ford. Geez, what's the min alt over an open air assembly
of people? How high was the Ford over the square / Beach boys? Just what will
they do for cash? And what the hell was up with the Beach Boys anyway? Are they
having such a hard time getting AeroShell Square displays these days that
they have to prop it up with that kind of dog and pony show? But I digress. I
warned you this was going to be hard for me-
Paul would be a tough act for anyone to follow, and I surely couldn't do the job.
But I think Tom is destroying our organization. Yeah, there were mitigators
this year, but the exhibit bldgs weren't full, the flight line was looking relatively
sparse, the crowds were thinner than I recall seeing for a long time,
and the gate was just about as low as I can remember for many years. This is
not an isolated situation, either.
Also, there are an awful lot of dedicated, passionate volunteers that make our
convention happen. Without them, there would be no convention. As these people
cease participating with the passage of time, and with Paul's charismatic leadership
replaced with a cash centered style, I'm afraid that volunteer pool will
dry up.
My last observation comes from many years of daily association with a whole lot
of pilots. As a group, we will congregate and grouse ad infinitum. However, very
few people will actually get off their butts and DO something about their
pet peeves. If this proposed new convention starts coming together, the brain
trust up north might just get the picture and get realigned with their constituency.
By the same token, if all the folks who are dissatisfied with our current
direction would forward those thoughts to tomp(at)eaa.org, perhaps we could achieve
our goals without starting a separate convention.
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don McNamara" <N8RV(at)gte.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Homebuilt/Experimental Convention Only!
Date: Sep 23, 2006
Several years ago, I voiced the same concerns in a letter to Tom
Poberezny. Remembering the days when the entirety of the exhibition
halls were contained in a couple of small, hot, rickety old hangar
buildings that now have stuff that nobody even bothers to see anymore
... and the food choices being limited to Zaug's cold hamburgers,
cheeseburgers, onion burgers and the delicious $.35 ice cream cones ...
and you could wander the grounds without fear of being run over by a
scooter, car, truck or gator ... I've watched it bloat over the years
into the biggest, baddest airshow in the world. All in a decade or so.
I received a polite thanks for my concerns.
Some of you may recall that, after handing over the reigns of AirVulture
to his beloved son, Paul started the Sport Aviation Association (SAA).
It was ostensibly devoted to small, homebuilt and home-designed aircraft
-- even our RVs would be too sophisticated for their tastes. I've heard
nothing from or about the SAA since the first year or two.
If Paul himself can't compete with the EAA, I doubt that any of us can
reinvent the wheel and succeed. However -- if I EVER have a plane to
fly -- I'll gladly fly to any RV or homebuilt gathering and avoid
AirVulture ... and won't lose any sleep over it.
-- Don McNamara
N8RV "90% done ... 90% to go."
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 09/23/06
Date: Sep 24, 2006
Hi All-
> Several years ago, I voiced the same concerns in a letter to Tom ...
>... I received a polite thanks for my concerns.
Me too. But don't give up. If a lot of us carp, perhaps we'll truly get
his attention.
> Some of you may recall that, after handing over the reigns of AirVulture
> to his beloved son,
I hope your being facetious. Many who might read this might not know of
the internal strife that has occurred over this situation. I do like
'AirVulture', though-
>Paul started the Sport Aviation Association (SAA). I've heard
> nothing from or about the SAA since the first year or two.
I'm a member and was at the fly in this year. It was quite enjoyable, and
I wish I could have stayed longer. I also was present for an award
ceremony at OSH. I got a couple of really dirty looks while there.
Afterwards, I realized I had my SAA pin on my hat...
> I doubt that any of us can reinvent the wheel and succeed.
You're most likely right. But collectively, we can steer the existing one
where we want to go instead of where we are currently heading.
>I think
> we'd be accusing Tom P. of incompetence if he rejected all those offers
> from people like Ford to pump money into the EAA.
Accepting adverting and sponsorship is one thing. What occurred Mon eve is
something else, entirely.
>...a truly awesome huge event with everyone and their dog pitching a tent
and their
> products
Unfortunately, it's not everyone and their dog anymore. Many vendors have
been priced right out of participation, especially the smaller ones that
have the most to gain, and perhaps the most to offer.
EAA and OSH are still the greatest aviation things going. Unfortunately,
the current trend is a negative one. I think it's not yet a terminal one,
but it could be, if we don't get through to these guys-
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
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Subject: anyone building fuselage prior to wings?
From: "Jeff Bearden" <jb.flynavy(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 11, 2006
Wondering if anyone has built the fuselage prior to the wings?
I'm thinking of ordering the slow build fuselage kit (now that the matched-hole
cheater version is available) and then the QB wings. New fuselage price will
not change in 2006 so might be good to buy it now, and betting on the come that
the wing kit won't change much. I could see a premium being added to that
new fuse kit...
Since the wing center section now ships with the fuse kit, I can't see a reason
not to.
This way, all except the wings could built in the basement, uh, airplane factory,
then taken to the hangar for hanging QB wings.
Anyone have any advice on this plan?
Thanks,
Jeff
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-Jeff Bearden
Acworth, GA
RV-8 #82563
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From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: upper intersection fairings
Date: Oct 25, 2006
Hi All-
Does anyone have any feedback on commercially available upper intersection
fairings for my RV-8? I'm just about fiberglass happy at this point, and
would buy a set if they are good / will actually reduce the time I'll spend
on them.
TIA-
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
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From: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: upper intersection fairings
Date: Oct 25, 2006
Glen,
I tried to make my own intersection fairings from scratch. they turned out
very heavy and looked a bit crude. I went to Fairings Etc.
http://www.fairings-etc.com/ and ordered both the uppers and lowers. They
are things of beauty and fit with just a bit of "tweaking". If I were to
become a "repeat offender" and build another plane I would go back to
Fairings Etc. in a heart beat.
Just my two cents worth.
Steve Struyk
St. Charles, MO
RV-8, 65 Hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:08 AM
Subject: RV8-List: upper intersection fairings
>
> Hi All-
>
> Does anyone have any feedback on commercially available upper intersection
> fairings for my RV-8? I'm just about fiberglass happy at this point, and
> would buy a set if they are good / will actually reduce the time I'll
> spend
> on them.
>
> TIA-
>
> glen matejcek
> aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 25, 2006
From: Christopher Stone <rv8iator(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: upper intersection fairings
...Fairings etc.
You get what you pay for... Not inexpensive, but excellent quality.
Chris Stone
Currently glassing lower fairings to wheel pants...RV8
-----Original Message-----
>From: glen matejcek <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Oct 25, 2006 5:08 AM
>To: RV8-List Digest Server
>Subject: RV8-List: upper intersection fairings
>
>
>Hi All-
>
>Does anyone have any feedback on commercially available upper intersection
>fairings for my RV-8? I'm just about fiberglass happy at this point, and
>would buy a set if they are good / will actually reduce the time I'll spend
>on them.
>
>TIA-
>
>glen matejcek
>aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: upper intersection fairings
Date: Oct 26, 2006
Chris, Steve-
Thanks for the input. I'll order a set today!
glen matejcek
aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: upper intersection fairings
Date: Oct 26, 2006
I have had 2 sete from Bob at Fairings etc. VERY good fit and well worth the
money!
Al Grajek
RV8
>From: Christopher Stone <rv8iator(at)earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV8-List: upper intersection fairings
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:28:44 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
>
>
>...Fairings etc.
>
>You get what you pay for... Not inexpensive, but excellent quality.
>
>Chris Stone
>Currently glassing lower fairings to wheel pants...RV8
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
> >From: glen matejcek <aerobubba(at)earthlink.net>
> >Sent: Oct 25, 2006 5:08 AM
> >To: RV8-List Digest Server
> >Subject: RV8-List: upper intersection fairings
> >
> >
> >Hi All-
> >
> >Does anyone have any feedback on commercially available upper
>intersection
> >fairings for my RV-8? I'm just about fiberglass happy at this point, and
> >would buy a set if they are good / will actually reduce the time I'll
>spend
> >on them.
> >
> >TIA-
> >
> >glen matejcek
> >aerobubba(at)earthlink.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: Oct 29, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists...
Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the Matronics
Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was
that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your displeasure
with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to "matronics.com".
Sorry for the hassle...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November!
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Have You Tried The New Matronics List Forum?
Hello Listers,
One of the major new additions to the Matronics Email Lists this year was the addition
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Date: Nov 06, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read]
Dear Listers,
By popular suggestion, I've written a substantial new code module for the Matronics
Email Lists system. Here's how it works...
During each November, I send out quite a few PBS-like "Please make a Contribution
to support your List" emails. Wouldn't it be cool if, once a member made a
Contribution, they didn't have to receive my support pleas anymore for the rest
of that year?
Well, that's exactly what I've written! Following this posting, anyone that makes
a List Contribution in 2006 will no longer receive my Contribution Pleas for
the rest of the year!
The best part is this not only applies to the Realtime distribution, but also the
Digest distribution! For those that have made a Contribution, the Daily Digest
email-version will be invisibly stripped of my requests as well! (Note that
my requests will still be present in the online versions of the Digests, List
Browse, and on the Forum site.)
For those submitting their Contribution by personal Check, please be sure to include
your email address along with your Check as this is what is used to determine
eligibility.
So, in a nutshell, here's how it works:
Make a Contribution = No more "Please Make a Contribution" messages!
How sweet is that? If that's not a great reason to jump on the Matronics Email
List Contribution site and make your donation today, I don't know what is!
Don't forget that there are some totally awesome free gifts to be had along with
your List Contribution this year!! Don't wait a minute longer to support your
Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your Support!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lawyer Scott J. Pias" <sjp(at)lawyerpias.com>
Subject:
Date: Nov 06, 2006
Has anyone installed a 24 volt system in their 8?
Any issues to be aware of?
scott
________________________________________________________________________________
From: DONKEYVET(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 06, 2006
Subject: Does Size Matter (for Hartzell Propellers that is....) ?
Hi All,
After much gut wretching and lost sleep I finally made a decision about my
last major purchase and decided to go with the Hartzel blended airfoil 2 blade
propeller for my soon to be finished RV-8.
Now I'm faced with one last (albeit minor) decision between the 72" and 74"
props. Any thoughts? The guys at Vans considered it literally a "flip a coin"
decision with little decernable difference between the two. Any other
thoughts out there? Noise, ground clearance (probably no biggie with a tail
dragger), ability to grind off tip of the longer one if damaged. I will be greatfull
for any opinions. Thanks!
Dennis Flosi, N963DF El Paso, TX
P.S. Are you happy with your Hartzell blended airfoil prop?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: BERFlyer(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 06, 2006
Subject: Re: Does Size Matter (for Hartzell Propellers that is....) ?
Dennis,
I went with the 74" prop. Supposedly, a bit better performance. Length
is not a problem on the -8.
Bruce Raymond
RV-8
N488RV
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tailgummer(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 06, 2006
Subject: Re: Does Size Matter (for Hartzell Propellers that is....) ?
You may also wish to consider which Hartzell prop you would prefer to have
IF you were to either start off with electronic ignition...... or add it
later. There are EI/harmonic issues that have been identified and evaluated by
Hartzell (and others) which have resulted in rpm/power restrictions and/or
blade life limitations. No big deal, but something else to be aware of.
John D.
RV8 N585JD
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cdwambolt" <cdwambolt(at)cox.net>
Subject: 24/28 volt system
Date: Nov 06, 2006
I think there are some that have done this. I wanted to because I have
a
172 with a 24 v system, and thought it would be nice to have some parts
commonality. I ended up not doing it because of the battery weight,
cost of
some items was much more, like fuel boost pump. In the long run it was
much
easier to stay with 12 for me.
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Does Size Matter (for Hartzell Propellers that is....) ?
Date: Nov 06, 2006
I went with the 74" Blended Airfoil. I have been very happy with it. I
would not worry about ground clearance, if you get the tail up that high
you have more to worry about than a ground strike of the prop. The
blended airfoil has a unique profile and slightly curved tips that, in
my opinion, look cool. Performance has been everything I expected.
Steve Struyk
RV-8, 75 Hrs
St. Charles MO
Getting ready for first annual condition inspection
----- Original Message -----
From: DONKEYVET(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:41 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Does Size Matter (for Hartzell Propellers that
is....) ?
Hi All,
After much gut wretching and lost sleep I finally made a decision
about my last major purchase and decided to go with the Hartzel blended
airfoil 2 blade propeller for my soon to be finished RV-8.
Now I'm faced with one last (albeit minor) decision between the 72"
and 74" props. Any thoughts? The guys at Vans considered it literally a
"flip a coin" decision with little decernable difference between the
two. Any other thoughts out there? Noise, ground clearance (probably no
biggie with a tail dragger), ability to grind off tip of the longer one
if damaged. I will be greatfull for any opinions. Thanks!
Dennis Flosi, N963DF El Paso, TX
P.S. Are you happy with your Hartzell blended airfoil prop?
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "The Bennetts" <gbennett92b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 24/28 volt system
Date: Nov 07, 2006
Charllie, I have a new 24 Volt starter in the box which came with an
0-360 engine I bought with this starter already on it at the factory
(someone canceled their order and I bought the engine as a package)If
you are interested I will make you a deal, Gary Bennett RV-8A
gbennett92b(at)sbcglobal.net To: RV8-List(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:33 AM
Subject: RV8-List: 24/28 volt system
I think there are some that have done this. I wanted to because I
have a 172 with a 24 v system, and thought it would be nice to have some
parts commonality. I ended up not doing it because of the battery
weight, cost of some items was much more, like fuel boost pump. In the
long run it was much easier to stay with 12 for me.
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "dick martin" <martin(at)gbonline.com>
Subject: Re: Does Size Matter (for Hartzell Propellers that is....) ?
Date: Nov 07, 2006
Dennis.
800 hours ago, I had the opportunity to test several different props on
my RV8 (IO=390). I tested and still have a std hartzell constant
speed @ 76". It gave superior climb and standard cruise performance.
I then was offered the opportunity by Aero Composites Inc.. to conduct
an exhaustive set of tests on their propellers. The tests were conducted
on the following dimensions, 76", 74" 72", 70", & 68". All lengths
performed well, however here are some observations:
76" superior climb - ok cruise
74" excellent climb = excellent cruise
72" good climb - excellent cruise
70" ok climb - good cruise
68 " ok climb - goodf cruise
The Aero Composites propellers are on average 10 to 16 lbs lighter than
the Hartzell (std model) and 10 to 15mph faster than the Hartzell (I did
not test the new Hartzell blended airfoil, as it was not available at
the time of testing}
----- Original Message -----
From: DONKEYVET(at)aol.com
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:41 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Does Size Matter (for Hartzell Propellers that
is....) ?
Hi All,
After much gut wretching and lost sleep I finally made a decision
about my last major purchase and decided to go with the Hartzel blended
airfoil 2 blade propeller for my soon to be finished RV-8.
Now I'm faced with one last (albeit minor) decision between the 72"
and 74" props. Any thoughts? The guys at Vans considered it literally a
"flip a coin" decision with little decernable difference between the
two. Any other thoughts out there? Noise, ground clearance (probably no
biggie with a tail dragger), ability to grind off tip of the longer one
if damaged. I will be greatfull for any opinions. Thanks!
Dennis Flosi, N963DF El Paso, TX
P.S. Are you happy with your Hartzell blended airfoil prop?
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 08, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet!
:-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-like
funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system selectively
sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip
out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade
of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted to
implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always such
a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept
putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put
the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
system!
Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of your
individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables
me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site
like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection
and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running
and the air conditioner powered up.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
I'm pretty sure you don't either.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 08, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation...
Dear Listers,
A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution
this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday.
I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically
as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal
AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics
List subscription.
If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are
subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell
that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address
instead of the List email.
I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy
way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this is
ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the
same. Otherwise, everything works great.
If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't
match, please drop me an email at " info(at)matronics.com " (do not reply to this
message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually
update the records so that things will work as advertised.
Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-)
To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administration
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 10, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Wiki...
Dear Listers,
I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features earlier this year. What's a Wiki, you ask? Well, here's the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki) definition:
A wiki (IPA: [ w .ki ] or [ wi .ki ] ) is a type of Web site
that allows the visitors themselves to easily add, remove, and otherwise edit
and change some available content, sometimes without the need for registration.
This ease of interaction and operation makes a wiki an effective tool for
collaborative authoring. The term wiki also can refer to the collaborative software
itself (wiki engine) that facilitates the operation of such a Web site,
or to certain specific wiki sites, including the computer science site (an original
wiki), WikiWikiWeb, and on-line encyclopedias such as Wikipedia.
Under the Matronics Email List Moniker, there is now a very nice List-specific
Wiki available! It a place for Listers to put articles about any aviation topic
that suits them. The purpose is to provide what the mailing lists do not:
structure and persistence. The mailing lists are a fantastic resource to ask
a question and get good (and bad and funny and annoying) answers. But once the
question is asked and answered it is not in front of the List anymore. If a
new person subscribes the next day, he/she does not see that information unless
he/she goes to the trouble to search the archives, a hit or miss proposition.
The result is that the same thread of conversation gets created and/or revisited.
There are several things that happen as a result:
1. The person gets his or her question answered;
2. The information gets better as more people think about and answer the question;
3. The people who have seen the same question asked and answered get annoyed
at seeing the same things over and over and over and ...
So this is where the Wiki comes in. You know what questions you wanted answered.
You may have asked or answered the question. You know the information is useful.
So you put the information here, in the Matronics Email List Wiki!
It doesn't matter that this information is 100% complete or correct. Just writing
something creates a placeholder and makes useful information available immediately.
It has the same immediacy as the mailing list but it has persistence
and structure.
But what if the information is incomplete or incorrect? No problem! Anyone else
coming along can edit the article! If I write something and you discover something
I have left out or stated incorrectly, you can fix it right then!
So let's begin and make this the place for information about building, flying,
maintaining, and understanding our airplanes.
But what about whether something is "appropriate" or not? Don't worry. Write
it down. Let the reader determine whether or not it is appropriate. If it is,
he/she will read it. If it isn't, he/she won't. It's as simple as that.
And when you do write that article you won't have to worry about whether some editor
is going to decide whether or not to print it in a newsletter or whether
the webmaster will have time to put it up on the web page.
The last question I hear brewing out there is: if anyone can post anything, won't
this just become a mass of garbage? Surprisingly, the answer is a resounding
no. If you want proof, go visit the Wikipedia, a free-to-everyone encyclopedia
written by whoever wants to write articles. The articles there are as good
as anything I have read anywhere and anyone can add anything anytime they want
to.
So don't hesitate. Write it down. Put it here. It will never hurt anyone. The
more information we get here, the more useful it will become to other people
and the more information they will put here for YOU to use.
Here's the URL to start (there are lots more bured under this starting place):
http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Matronics:Community_Portal
But please don't forget that this Wiki and all of the other Matronics Email List
features are supported solely by YOUR Contributions!! November is List Fund
Raiser month and there are lots of Free Gifts to be had with your qualifying
Contribution. Please make a Contribution to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these great services!!! Thank you!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: WLAS [Please Read]
Dear Listers,
I sat down at the 'ol computer tonight to have a look at a few of the nice comments
List Members have been including along with their Contributions this year.
I was amazed at how many I found and even more amazed at some of the very nice
things Listers have been saying about the Lists and how valuable the they
are to them.
I've included quite a few of these nice comments below. Please read over some
of this great Lister feedback. No doubt you will find that you agree with at
least one or two of those comments - maybe all of them! If you find that do,
won't you please make a Contribution to support these Lists today!! Its fast
and easy with the Matronics List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Don't forget that I've now fully implemented the new *List Fund Raiser Squelch*
feature that will automatically intercept any future iterations of my "Please
Contribute" messages -- that is, *once you've made YOUR Contribution*! How cool
is that? (Make sure the email address you enter along with your Contribution
matches exactly your subscribed List email address. An exact match is how
it works.)
Thank you for your generous Contributions this year and for all the wonderful comments!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
Absolutely the best deal on the Internet!!
-Owen B
I love The Matronics...
-Robeto B
My wife has her soaps & I've got my lists!
-Hal B
These lists are, indeed, the lifeline of our hobby.
-Bob R
The best source of information for my a/c.
-Tony C
The Zenith list is the first thing I read in the morning.
-Herbert H
You do more good than you can imagine. I wish I'd known
about you while I was building my Kitfox, but you are
still an after-the-fact resource.
-Ben B
..an excellent site.
-Ashley M
The "List" has been the ultimate help for my Zenith
CH 701 project!!
-Brian U
I appreciate the list being here for me.
-Geoff H
..a great service.
-William C
The List continues to be an interesting and useful facility.
-David M
Your list is a constant goad to keep me working on my project.
-Thomas S
..a great service.
-Robert W
The Pietenpol list is a great resource.
-Benjamin W
The Yak-list is Awesome!
-James S
..great service.
-Robert S
The features you have implemented recently have you poised
to knock out yahoo groups...
-Danny D
I like how your forum looks/works and the list service...
-Ken E
..great service.
-David P
Very useful web site.
-Wayne E
..a very valuable service.
-Chris D
Great sites...
-Randall R
I used to look at [that other] site also but it's gotten so
cluttered with advertising that I've stopped looking at it.
-Wayne E
Without your services, the build would be a grope in the dark...
-Fergus K
The information and help I've received greatly outweighs the
donation...
-Lee P
..great service!
-Christopher D
I really don't think I could be building my plane without the
wisdom I find on this list.
-William G
It really makes building a pleasure.
-James P
..great service.
-Doug W
I'm getting near the end of my build (Europa tri XS) don't
think I could have done it with out the help of the forum.
-Stanislaus S
Marvelous service. Couldn't have done it without you.
-Jim G
Love the list, this is a wonderful way to help others...
-Michael S
..good service.
-Derek L
The list is responsible for helping me complete this project
and educating me in the process.
-Jeff D
Definitely worth the donation.
-Ron L
..great service to the aviation community.
-Tony P
I have been flying my plane for 5 years (RV-6) but I still
get valuable information from this service.
-Don N
A very helpful site.
-Roland S
It's a great community to be part of.
-David L
Great sites.
-John C
A great place to find and share not only information but to
meet people across the country and make lasting relationships.
-Uncle Craig
Great facility.
-Peter H
Its a great source of information!
-Michael W
Great improvements to the List...
-Edward A
Great service!!!
-Rich D
..great resource!
-William C
..excellent lists!
-Michael S
Couldn't have built my RV4 without the list.
-Warren M
..a great service...
-James N
I would not have missed [the list] for anything during the
building of my Europa.
-Svein J
..another great year.
-Robert D
..this [is an] essential builder's resource.
-David A
..excellent service.
-Gregory B
I've learned a huge amount of "stuff" over the past year
and look forward to it every day!
-Smith M
..a great communication tool...
-Jon M
Finished building 5 years ago, but still are lurking on
your great list!
-Lothar K
..a valuable service. At 11:00 pm Matronics is the goto
place for my RV questions.
-Mike D
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 15, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: LOC
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a
building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Value...
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at
least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount
and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses?
Come to think of it, you do...
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Why? [Please Read]
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support
from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate
the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter
once a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments
stripped off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature
that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone
can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
they are posted. Safe and simple.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just this year is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer
the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums
is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages
posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa.
The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and
other files. Additionally added this year is the new List Wiki that allows
members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various
aspects of their project for all to share.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
an associated web site that receives over 23,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 87,000 postings last year,
accounting for an unbelievable 39,000,000 (yes, that's 39 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk
a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the
Annual List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists...
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: More Great List Comments - Please Make A Contribution!
Dear Listers,
There's a little less than one week left for this year's List Fund Raiser. I thought
it would a great time to share a few more of the great comments I've been
receiving from Contributors regarding what the Lists mean to them. There are
some particularly poignant ones in this batch and I encourage you to have a
look at some of them.
Don't forget that once you make your Contribution, the Contribution Squelch kicks
in and you won't receive any future messages from me regarding the Fund Raiser
this year! This holds true for the Realtime and Digest distributions and
now also the HTML and TXT links included with the Digest! (Note that for technical
reasons, if someone replies to one of my contribution messages, the Squelch
will _not_ be activated, and you will still receive it. Contribution messages
will also still be found on the Forums site and the List Browse).
Please make your Contribution today to support these List services! Pick up a
great Gift too!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
============================= WLAS #2 ============================
Tackling my project without the List would be like
building on a deserted island. The List has made me
part of a learning (and laughing) community. -Larry W
Thank you for providing such a fantastic resource for us
Kolbers. I'm very happy to contribute towards keeping such a
wonderful resource available. -Geoff T
..you do a great service for the flying community by
providing this service. -John L
..solidly administered. -James C
A great source of information. -Ralph S
The Lists have likely saved a numbers of lives... -James F
..exceptional user service. -Larry W
Better than a magazine! -Aaron G
Thanks to your List I will be able to finish and fly
my project. Without the help of the great people on
your List I doubt it would have happened. -Ed G
I learn something on a too regular basis thanks to
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From: "Vincent S. Himsl" <vhimsl(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Throttle Bracket VA-149-360-PC experience
Date: Dec 02, 2006
Van's throttle bracket VA-149-360-PC
RV8 fixed pitch
Aerosport 0-360-a2a
Carburetor: Precision MA-4-5
The bracket works IF you cut off a piece of the corner that hits the engine
mount. You will see when you try to attach it to the carburetor.
Use the cut off wheel that you used on your canopy as it makes a much
cleaner cut if yours is powder coated like mine.
You will also need to finish drill the carburetor attach bolt holes to 5/16"
as the powder coating fills the holes.
Once that is done, the Van's cables line up perfectly with the carburetor
arms and the total look is clean and professional. I am glad I bought it.
Estimated time to trim the bracket is @ 10 minutes.
Vince H.
RV8 Finish.been that way a very very very long time.
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Date: Dec 08, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Fund Raiser - 2006 List of Contributors
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From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Subject: Firewall forward parts for sale
Date: Dec 18, 2006
I have a few parts left over from my last project.
NDM 8 row Oill cooler, will fit 0-360 or IO 360 Lycoming-(25hrs on the
unit) $100.00
Woodward Prop governor, Also off the I/O 360 ( 50 hours on it) $500.00
2 Master relays $10 each.
Al Grajek
859-361-9460
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From: jim-bean(at)att.net
Date: Dec 19, 2006
All,
I installed the catalog parking brake valve on my RV-8 but never figured
out how to use it. At first I thought that I could use the little handle
by itself. Unfortunately this dream resulted in an almost serious
accident when the tiny mass of the tiny handle caused it to jiggle into
the closed position. When this happens the next brake application locks
the brake. Surprise! At the moment the handle is tie-wrapped into the
open position.
My post is to ask how others have fabricated a linkage to operate it
properly. Simply putting a control cable on it results in reversed
operation, IE pulled out would be off. Any ideas?
Jim Bean
43 hours now on N99JA
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From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 19, 2006
Subject: Re: Parking brake valve
Jim,
I bought a cabinet door latch in the aviation department at Home Depot and
rigged my parking valve with a handle made from aluminum tubing. I personally
dislike the traditional push-pull knobs used to set the parking brake in light
aircraft, so I came up with this lever idea. When stowed, it is out of sight
and latched in an upright position. Even under G loading, the lightweight
lever is highly unlikely to drop to the down "brakes set" position. When in the
brakes set position, the lever is in front of the left rudder pedal so the
pilot easily notices it and can confirm the brake setting. It's also easy to
look in the cockpit and determine if the brakes are set.
You can look at my web site at www.rv-8a.net on the chronology page. Caution
- it is a very long page and you'll need high speed internet to download it
(downloads in about 20 seconds with high speed). Scroll down to the 11 Nov 06
entry to see photos. If you don't have high speed internet, let me know and
I'll send the photos to you.
I'm sure you could modify my idea to meet your needs in your aircraft.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
All,
I installed the catalog parking brake valve on my RV-8 but never figured
out how to use it. At first I thought that I could use the little handle
by itself. Unfortunately this dream resulted in an almost serious
accident when the tiny mass of the tiny handle caused it to jiggle into
the closed position. When this happens the next brake application locks
the brake. Surprise! At the moment the handle is tie-wrapped into the
open position.
My post is to ask how others have fabricated a linkage to operate it
properly. Simply putting a control cable on it results in reversed
operation, IE pulled out would be off. Any ideas?
Jim Bean
43 hours now on N99JA
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From: "Vincent S. Himsl" <vhimsl(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Vetterman exhaust installation
Date: Dec 23, 2006
Hello,
I am installing the Vetterman Exhaust and the directions say to maintain at
least a 25 degree angle between the exhaust tail pipes and the skin belly.
The Rv8 has the sloped exhaust recess in the bottom.
Do you install in reference to the bottom of the plane or the in reference
to the sloping recess.
Thanks,
Vince H.
Rv8 finish.year 9
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From: "Trevor Mills" <millstrj(at)ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Remarking ASI
Date: Dec 26, 2006
I have an old ASI that needs to re-marked to suit the RV8. can anyone
help me with the speeds for the white/yellow arcs and VNE or tell me
where to find them please.
Trevor 80601
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From: "ALBERT THOMAS" <althomas454(at)msn.com>
Subject: Remarking ASI
Date: Dec 25, 2006
Trevor,
You can find the speed ranges at Vans. Here's the link
www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/speeds.pdf
Merry Christmas
Al Thomas
RV-8A QB (fuselage)
>From: "Trevor Mills" <millstrj(at)ozemail.com.au>
>Reply-To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RV8-List: Remarking ASI
>Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:59:59 +1000
>
>I have an old ASI that needs to re-marked to suit the RV8. can anyone help
>me with the speeds for the white/yellow arcs and VNE or tell me where to
>find them please.
>
>Trevor 80601
_________________________________________________________________
The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop.
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Moreau <jmoreau2(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Remarking ASI
Date: Dec 26, 2006
The airspeed ranges are available in the Van's builders manual.
On Dec 25, 2006, at 8:59 PM, Trevor Mills wrote:
> I have an old ASI that needs to re-marked to suit the RV8. can
> anyone help me with the speeds for the white/yellow arcs and VNE
> or tell me where to find them please.
>
> Trevor 80601
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List_-
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>
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From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek(at)msn.com>
Subject: Firewall forward sale
Date: Jan 07, 2007
I recently switched over to all electronic Ignition in my RV8. I have for
sale: a set of Slick mags WITH harnesses. Left(with impulse) part # 4373,
and right part # 4370. These are in REALLY good shape with only 100 hours on
them. They will fit any Lycoming 0-320, 0 or I/O 360. Will sell for $800.
New price with harnesses is around $1375.
Also Have a full set(8) of Brand new Champion fine wire plugs. Part number
REM38S. These have NOT been installed on the aircraft. I noticed AFTER I
opened them, I needed the Long reach plugs for my I/O 360. These run $525
retail. I will let them go for $320.
Thanks
Al Grajek
859-361-9460
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From: "The Bennetts" <gbennett92b(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: For Sale 24 olt Starter
Date: Jan 07, 2007
New 24 volt lightweight starter for sale for 1/2 cost of new. Gary
Bennett 530-274-7998
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From: cknauf(at)comcast.net
Subject: Lycoming O-320 on ebay
Date: Jan 08, 2007
There's a used Lycoming O-320-B3B for sale on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230075395949&rd=1,1
There's a used Lycoming O-320-B3B for sale on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230075395949&rd=1,1
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Start
Date: Jan 12, 2007
From: "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil>
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 12, 2007
From: Dan <dan(at)rdan.com>
Subject: Re: New Start
Congratulations and welcome to the new builders club, I had no building experience
either, 1 year into it now and have learned a LOT, take your time, search
the web lots of builders have great sites to learn from and get motivation,,
It's frustrating at times but lots of fun and rewarding,
Dan
-8 fuselage QB
N728RV reserved
Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training wrote:
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory
is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, breaking the edges for the HS main spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing! Any
hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Start
Date: Jan 12, 2007
From: "Stephanie Marshall" <smarshall(at)netsystems.net>
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here www.rv-8.info
<http://www.rv-8.info/> ....if you have any specific questions shoot me
a line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron's project for the most
part though and I was just another set of hands.
Stephanie
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Moreau <jmoreau2(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: New Start
Date: Jan 12, 2007
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote:
> Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
>
>
> We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here
> www.rv-8.info ....if you have any specific questions shoot me a
> line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron=92s project for the most
> part though and I was just another set of hands.
>
>
> Stephanie
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD
> Training
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
> To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: New Start
>
>
> Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory
> is complete!
>
>
> Am about to start Step 1, =93breaking=94 the edges for the HS main
spar
> reinforcements.
>
>
> Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
> nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
>
>
> nvrv8builder
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> ========================
> ========================
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Start
Date: Jan 12, 2007
From: "Stephanie Marshall" <smarshall(at)netsystems.net>
No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$ and time
(Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot).
We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order
hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty
for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip
home to Oregon to see family and pick them up.
If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me know.
If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your stuff
to the trailer.
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote:
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here www.rv-8.info
<http://www.rv-8.info/> ....if you have any specific questions shoot me
a line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron's project for the most
part though and I was just another set of hands.
Stephanie
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set,
inventory is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main
spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I
know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
http://forums.matronics.com
- The RV8-List Email Forum -
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Subject: New Start
Date: Jan 12, 2007
From: "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" <gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil>
Hi Steph,
Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does Baron
do/fly?
I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent 26yrs as
an AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and MiG-21.
Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout. Should be
fun if the wx cooperaties.
Gail Peck
aka
Gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil
nvRV8builder
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$ and time
(Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot).
We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order
hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty
for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip
home to Oregon to see family and pick them up.
If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me know.
If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your stuff
to the trailer.
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote:
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here www.rv-8.info
<http://www.rv-8.info/> ....if you have any specific questions shoot me
a line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron's project for the most
part though and I was just another set of hands.
Stephanie
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set,
inventory is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main
spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I
know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: New Start
Date: Jan 12, 2007
From: "Stephanie Marshall" <smarshall(at)netsystems.net>
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab Emirates)
and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an expensive one
per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend to deform the
metal he said....we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for ~$100...I don't
remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
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Subject: New Start
Date: Jan 12, 2007
From: "Stephanie Marshall" <smarshall(at)netsystems.net>
Hi Gail,
He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell......
Steph
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Steph,
Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does Baron
do/fly?
I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent 26yrs as
an AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and MiG-21.
Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout. Should be
fun if the wx cooperaties.
Gail Peck
aka
Gaillard.peck.ctr(at)nellis.af.mil
nvRV8builder
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$ and time
(Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot).
We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order
hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty
for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip
home to Oregon to see family and pick them up.
If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me know.
If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your stuff
to the trailer.
Steph
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote: