Rocket-Archive.digest.vol-ag
June 06, 2001 - November 09, 2001
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| From: | Scot Stambaugh <sstambaugh(at)qualcomm.com> |
| Subject: | EAA Bakersfield Chapter # 71 Fly-Inn June |
2,2001
Mark,
I can post them for you on my site. Send them if that will work for you.
scot
>
> I took a number of digital photos while I was there. I don't have a
>web site to post them, but if someone wants to post them on their site just
>let me know.
> Mark S. (F-1 #31)
> Swaneymj(at)navair.navy.mil
>
>
>___
> From: Scot Stambaugh <sstambaugh(at)qualcomm.com>
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: EAA Bakersfield Chapter # 71 Fly-Inn June
>2,
> 2001
>
>
>
> I'm sure the list would like to hear more about the fly-in at
> Bakersfield. How about some cometary and some pictures on a website
>somewhere?
>
> scot
>
>
>
> >
> >Hey, you guys missed a good time with outstanding Food.. It was
>fun to see
> >you at Merced and then talk to you again while enflight to
>Bakersfield on
> >Saturday. Those Chevy's look and sound great. The speeds you were
>getting
> >and the fuel burn was enviable.. Get that Rocket built... there
>is more
> >fun just around the corner.
> >Weav
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <tom144(at)juno.com>
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 5:53 PM
> >Subject: Re: Rocket-List: EAA Bakersfield Chapter # 71 Fly-Inn June
>2, 2001
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Sorry we didn't make it. Weather was a problem. Had very high
>winds
> > > over the mountians and at home which required an early departure
>from
> > > Merced......and a missed BBQ..................!! Next time.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > EAA Bakersfield Chapter # 71 will be holding a Fly-Inn / BBQ
>June 2,
> > > > 2001,
> > > >BBQ served at around 2:00 pm, Outback Restraunt will be
>catering
> > > > the food> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Tom Jones
> > > Monday 5:50pm
> > > Las Vegas, Nevada
> > > Chevy powered RV6A
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | IO-540 Lord engine mounts |
I have an RV-6 with Harmon Rocket mods and am trying to gather info on
engines attached with Lord mounts. This is because it looks like bottom
left rear mount is collapsing and my engine is sagging (dropped thrust
line) by 1/8-3/16". My engine mount is a one-off and uses the large
(ribbed) Lord mounts and the "large" washers on both sides of the mount fittings.
My intial reaction is to shim the bottom mounts with a pair of washers
and to keep an eye on the rear left bottom mount. However, I fly fast
and frequently get to 4g in my maneuvering.
Any one have any experience along these lines with Lord mounts and the
IO-540 (based on the C4B5), engine weight maybe 425 lbs (325 hp) and C/S
prop at 55 lbs.
Thanks.
Boyd Braem
RV-Super 6
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IO-540 Lord engine mounts |
Exxcuse me, folks, the Lord mount that looks like it's collapsing is the
FRONT left bottom mount. Duh!
"Boyd C. Braem" wrote:
>
>
> I have an RV-6 with Harmon Rocket mods and am trying to gather info on
> engines attached with Lord mounts. This is because it looks like bottom
> left rear mount is collapsing and my engine is sagging (dropped thrust
> line) by 1/8-3/16". My engine mount is a one-off and uses the large
> (ribbed) Lord mounts and the "large" washers on both sides of the mount fittings.
>
> My intial reaction is to shim the bottom mounts with a pair of washers
> and to keep an eye on the rear left bottom mount. However, I fly fast
> and frequently get to 4g in my maneuvering.
>
> Any one have any experience along these lines with Lord mounts and the
> IO-540 (based on the C4B5), engine weight maybe 425 lbs (325 hp) and C/S
> prop at 55 lbs.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Boyd Braem
> RV-Super 6
>
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| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
Anyone know the Lord p/n's for a HRII?
Russ
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| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
J9613-12
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| From: | "Bob Gross" <rocketrobert(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks for the info all of you sent for the last set of questions!!
I have endlessly more.....
How/what is the graceful way to get the No.2 size battery cable thru the
firewall? I'll be running the cable thru the torque tube opening, after
that??
Where on the firewall is a "good" place to pass thru (center tunnel, left,
right high-low etc)?
Any other thoughts appreciated.
Thanks
Bob
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| From: | LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com |
My #2 wire goes through the firewall center right then down to the right side
of the engine between the cylinders and the intake tubes to the starter...
I just routed it through a grommet with the stainless steel covers for
protection..
Oh yeh,, the starter solonoid is inside the firewall so that the only time
the #2 is hot is when Im starting..
Good Luck... Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/07/01 |
Still need some basic tools like 3x Rivet Gun, Microstop countersinks, C
bench dimpler,
Deburring Set, etc. I am about to embark on a first-time F1 Rocket kit build
and I would
like to save $ by acquiring used tools from a prior builder. Please do not
reply through
the list, but directly to me: DvdBock(at)AOL.com
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| From: | "Bob Gross" <rocketrobert(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks....
I've heard rumor of a firewall passthru that is similar to an insultated
stud. Anyone know more about this part?
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: <LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Thanks all!
>
> My #2 wire goes through the firewall center right then down to the right
side
> of the engine between the cylinders and the intake tubes to the starter...
> I just routed it through a grommet with the stainless steel covers for
> protection..
> Oh yeh,, the starter solonoid is inside the firewall so that the only time
> the #2 is hot is when Im starting..
> Good Luck... Larry
>
>
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
You should look at some Beech aircraft, esp. the Bonanza.
Boyd
Bob Gross wrote:
>
>
> Thanks....
> I've heard rumor of a firewall passthru that is similar to an insultated
> stud. Anyone know more about this part?
>
> Bob
>
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| From: | "Brian E. Adams" <md11plt(at)attglobal.net> |
To anyone who is interested and still looking for an engine.
I found an ad for a O-540 engine on Wings Online. I know nothing about it
other than it is a 0-540-E4B5 by the ad. You might be able to put on an
Airflow Performance Fuel Injection. His asking price is $7000 and his email
address is - mrripeau(at)hotmail.com.
Good luck and if you check Wings Online regularly, you might find another
on as I don't think they would last long. The URL is -
http://www.wingsonline.com/engprt.html Also, you might put an ad for yourself
under the heading - Looking for an IO-540-C4B5. Also they clean up the ads
every 30 days or so, so you will need to keep it current.
Brian Adams
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| From: | "Paul Brown" <nightmare(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Apollo 360 Map for Sale |
Anyone interested in an Apollo 360 Map? I have one that is brand new,
never been installed with all the paper work. The Apollo 360 Map does
not have a GPS. It must be coupled to a GPS. It will install in a
standard 3 1/8" hole. I'm asking 600.00/ I believe it lists for around
1150.00
Paul
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| From: | "Ron Carter" <ronc(at)metropolis.slc.net> |
| Subject: | hanger party/fly in |
Hey rocket men-
Wayne Loeber is hosting the second RV/Harmon Rocket/Experimental fly in
at Skypark airport in Bountiful Utah this Saturday the 16th of June. The
plan is to start about 1:00 and hang out talk airplanes drink some soda
and maybe go for a burn around the pattern/Antolope Isl. etc.
For you Idahoans it would be a great stop on a Crispy Creme run to PVU.
Hope to see you there.
Bountiful Skypark Airport BTF
South East side white hanger building, Hanger #12
Wayne Loeber 278-7212
Ron Carter 298-0406wk., 298-2139hm.
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| From: | "SignCo" <signco(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | For sale: Piston Cooling nozzles |
For those of you working on the engine, I have four (4) new Piston
cooling nozzles (Lycoming part # 73772) for sale @ $12 ea.
If interested email directly to signco(at)ev1.net
Luis
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
"Rocket-List Digest (E-mail)" ,
"RV-List Digest (E-mail)"
| Subject: | oil cooler cool collar |
Subject: RV-List: Pilot Search
From: Gary Graham <beeb(at)teleport.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Graham
I am looking for Bill Grimm, late of Santa Paula. RV N-658BG. He is the
purveyor the Cool Collar concept of additional engine cooling. Please send
me contact info for this lad. An e-mail address would be good. Thanks in
advance.
Gary
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Gary,
I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for or not. My JC Whitney
catalog (who knew they had so many airplane parts?) has a Cool Collar listed
on page 202 of their most recent catalog which is #647J-02. The front of
the catalog has a silver Pontiac GTO (drool, slobber, covet....) on it. Or
check online at www.jcwhitney.com
The cool collar is an extruded aluminum set of fins that clamp around your
oil filter to provide additional oil cooler area. Looks very simple and
should work fine, though I've not used one. The cost is only $17.95...
practically free in airplane dollars... and the part number is 81BU4694Y.
For even better thermal conduction, you might try adding a layer of silicone
heat sink compound (get it at Radio Shack) between the cooler and the
filter. Of course, a blast tube and shroud would help too.
Wouldn't it be cool (pun intended) if you could eliminate your oil cooler
with its weight and hoses by using one of these......... I probably could
have done it on my cool running RV-4. Just thinking out loud here...
Vince Frazier
Harmon Rocket II ... the fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html <---- note: new
URL as of 5/30/01
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| From: | "Bryan E. Files" <bfiles(at)gci.net> |
| Subject: | oil cooler cool collar |
Remember guys that you don't want to get our oil temp any lower than 180
degrees for the typical day of where you live.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frazier,
Vincent A
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:45 AM
(E-mail)
Subject: Rocket-List: oil cooler cool collar
Subject: RV-List: Pilot Search
From: Gary Graham <beeb(at)teleport.com>
--> RV-List message posted by: Gary Graham
I am looking for Bill Grimm, late of Santa Paula. RV N-658BG. He is the
purveyor the Cool Collar concept of additional engine cooling. Please send
me contact info for this lad. An e-mail address would be good. Thanks in
advance.
Gary
**************************************
Gary,
I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for or not. My JC Whitney
catalog (who knew they had so many airplane parts?) has a Cool Collar listed
on page 202 of their most recent catalog which is #647J-02. The front of
the catalog has a silver Pontiac GTO (drool, slobber, covet....) on it. Or
check online at www.jcwhitney.com
The cool collar is an extruded aluminum set of fins that clamp around your
oil filter to provide additional oil cooler area. Looks very simple and
should work fine, though I've not used one. The cost is only $17.95...
practically free in airplane dollars... and the part number is 81BU4694Y.
For even better thermal conduction, you might try adding a layer of silicone
heat sink compound (get it at Radio Shack) between the cooler and the
filter. Of course, a blast tube and shroud would help too.
Wouldn't it be cool (pun intended) if you could eliminate your oil cooler
with its weight and hoses by using one of these......... I probably could
have done it on my cool running RV-4. Just thinking out loud here...
Vince Frazier
Harmon Rocket II ... the fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html <---- note: new
URL as of 5/30/01
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| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: rocket-4-sale |
From: Rocketto(at)aol.com
Full-name: Rocketto
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:34:40 EDT
Subject: rocket-4-sale
Hi John; hope that this finds you working on your new "3" and that it is as
"awesome" in the air as it looks on the ground. congrads on another "thrill"
for the boys and all of the controversy that it will create. wasn't able to
attend the picnic this year so missed all the fun and am writing to see if
you might be able to help me sell my rocket. It is still 90% completed with
only 90% remaining to get it in the air(lol). yes i hate to even think about
selling it but I've grown weary of trying to get my medical reinstated (i had
2 stents implanted in the old ticker) and they may do a "by-pass" if this
doesn't work and then i get to start all over again with the feds so rather
than get deeper in debt and not remain "legal" i `am going to get out and go
play with those damn "ultralights." The rocket is in great shape and I only
want 38thou for it. it would be a hell of a deal for someone that is "on the
fence" and complaining about the high cost of life these days. The work is
excellent and includes the c-4-b-5- that is hanging on the nose.(yes it needs
rebuilding). If you know of anyone that is looking; I would most appreciate
you letting them know about it. I live in salome Ariz. at Indian hills
airpark now and my home phone is 520-859-3239 or they can e-mail back here
either way. thanks for any help and I hope to see "the Bakersfield bunch"
soon somewhere along the way. Thanks again; vic Schreiner-plans #13-kit #34(?)
Hi John; hope that this finds you working on your new "3" and that it is as
"awesome" in the air as it looks on the ground. congrads on another "thrill"
for the boys and all of the controversy that it will create. wasn't able to
attend the picnic this year so missed all the fun and am writing to see if
you might be able to help me sell my rocket. It is still 90% completed with
only 90% remaining to get it in the air(lol). yes i hate to even think about
selling it but I've grown weary of trying to get my medical reinstated (i had
2 stents implanted in the old ticker) and they may do a "by-pass" if this
doesn't work and then i get to start all over again with the feds so rather
than get deeper in debt and not remain "legal" i `am going to get out and go
play with those damn "ultralights." The rocket is in great shape and I only
want 38thou for it. it would be a hell of a deal for someone that is "on the
fence" and complaining about the high cost of life these days. The work is
excellent and includes the c-4-b-5- that is hanging on the nose.(yes it needs
rebuilding). If you know of anyone that is looking; I would most appreciate
you letting them know about it. I live in salome Ariz. at Indian hills
airpark now and my home phone is 520-859-3239 or they can e-mail back here
either way. thanks for any help and I hope to see "the Bakersfield bunch"
soon somewhere along the way. Thanks again; vic Schreiner-plans #13-kit #34(?)
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| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
| Subject: | weekend in Ontario |
Rocket flyers/builders/wannabes/RVtypes
Just a reminder that I am hosting a flyin/camping at our local airport
and
our farm this weekend. The airport is St.Thomas, Ontario Canada CYQS. At
this time the weather looks good for Saturday, and we will have a BQ in the
evening complete with campfire and suitable refreshments. At this time I
have 15 confirmed from the US and quite a few locals. There should be three
rockets there, mine included. Please email me directly if you are interested
for more details.
Tom Martin
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
"RV-List Digest (E-mail)"
| Subject: | plating bolts to fix oversize spar bolt holes |
For all you guys that have to build your own wing spar:
I was cleaning the Stits epoxy primer paint out of my spar bolt holes using
an appropriately sized reamer (0.373" for the 3/8" holes, and so on). It
was going fine, until I inadvertantly picked up a stepped reamer that was
0.377" on the top part of the shank. Sure enough, I reamed one bolt hole
out to 0.377" and the NAS bolt was a sloppy fit. I hate when that happens!
I realize that one bolt probably wouldn't make any difference but I wanted
to fix it anyway. I thought about reaming up to the next size (10mm, IIRC),
but wasn't wild about that option. I could always do that later, and
besides, who wants one odd bolt in their spar?
Here's what worked for me: I contacted Caswell Plating
(www.caswellplating.com) and bought an 8oz. bottle of their CopyChrome
nickel plating solution. Following their directions, I plated the bolt up
to 0.377" then baked it at 400 F for 4 hours to take care of any hydrogen
embrittlement. It worked great.
I also plated some 4130 steel scraps and was pleased with their appearance.
It's not quite chrome, but it looks pretty good. The plating also looked
like it should be pretty durable. I even soaked a plated 4130 piece in
saltwater overnight and saw no effect.
I work in a lab and have access to all the power supplies, ovens, etc. I
needed, so it was an easy job. Any good scrounger can find the stuff needed
or Caswell will happily sell it to you.
If you want your piece to really shine you must polish it BEFORE you plate
it. I wouldn't attempt to plate anything much larger than you can submerge
in a gallon of liquid or less. The control sticks would probably be about
the max size I would attempt.
Vince Frazier
Harmon Rocket II ... the fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html <---- note: new
URL as of 5/30/01
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| Subject: | You will al be able to do this |
| From: | KAOS <kaos(at)captainkaos.com> |
Dave Ecclestone" ,
Phillip Ayrton , greg hede ,
John matheson ,
Brett ebbeck , Cable man ,
Robert Corben ,
david Hirsty ,
Doug Watson ,
Guillermo LT VF 154 Geary ,
Gary , Stirling Wade ,
The Nudge
http://www.captainkaos.com/f1/
Click on address above and see what Doug is up to
The file is a self extracting ( f1.exe )
Quick time Movie file
Save to disk and open
I went to Queensland to see Doug
A round trip of 1600 miles to get some great video and go for a fly in the
only f1 in the country that is flying
I left Friday morning and returned home early Sunday morning
And was worth all that driving
Keep going boys and some girls it is worth all the time you spent on it
What a beautiful plane to fly and the view from 10000ft was great
Which only took a couple of minutes to get there
Here is a short piece of video that I thought you will like
It will take about 2 min. to download
You can also see the video at the tent at Oshkosh
It will be linked to Doug's web page soon
Captain kaos
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jandkstone(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Engine mount attach bolts |
My RV-4 plans call for the following engine mount-to-firewall attach
hardware. Does the HR get the same?
AN6-32 bolts (6 reqd)
AN 310-6 nuts (6 reqd)
AN 960-616 washers (6 reqd)
1 inch OD, 3/8 inch ID, 1/16 inch thick washers (6 reqd)
1 1/2 inch OD, 1/2 inch ID, 1/16 inch thick (4 reqd)
The gear leg attach hardware appears to be as follows:
An 5-21A bolts (unknown qty)
AN 365-524 nuts (unknown qty)
Does anyone suggest anything different?
Thanks,
Stoner
SDF
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| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
Rocketeers,
I have several questions tonight. The scrap of paper on my workbench was
getting full of notes, so I need to get some answers and start a new one!
Which axles from Spruce are the ones we need/want?
Any suggestions for tires?
Anyone using the RV6 method for attaching the rear shoulder harnesses? If
so, did the belts run up to the standard slots in the 407 and then out and
over the shoulders? Does it seem that the 407 can crush in an impact where
the belts pull hard (mount and shoulders much lower than the slots in the
407)? I like the idea of mounting this way, but it seems to not be great
that the belts go up and then down rather than fairly straight to the
shoulders.
It seems in the archives that the best option for a parking brake valve is
the $185 Cleveland one. Anyone have a cheaper or better solution?
Okay, that's it! I'll press on building, waiting patiently for your
replies!
Aloha a hui ho,
Russ
HRII, Maui
Just about to rip apart the cleco'd fuse to prime and reassemble.
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| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
For those of you that do not monitor the RV list I copied the following
message from Are Barstad regarding our flyin. I am not sure about every one
else but I had a good time:)!! We had a riveting contest which after a few
cold ones was particularly amusing. There are some pretty good pics in the
attached note.
Tom Martin
--> RV-List message posted by: "Are Barstad"
RV-4 and 2-time HR-II builder Tom Martin was kind enough to host a RV/Rocket
campout at his farm which is only about 1 mile from St. Thomas airport in
Ontario, Canada. Of the 18 RV's/Rockets that arrived, there were many
Indiana RV's in addition to Mark Frederick's HR-II from Texas. We also had a
good attendenace from the Ontario Wing. It wasn't near the participation of
the Texas events (isn't *everything* large there? :) ) but we had a great
time!
I also had the pleasure of meeting Vince Frazier, Bob Japundza and Randy
Pflanzer w/son. I can attest that both Randy and Bob have very nice RV-6's!
You can see some pictures here while I update the Ontario Wing website:
http://members6.clubphoto.com/are393304/Jun_24_2001/
Are
RV-8 Wings
www.ontariorvators.org VAF-OW
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| From: | Fouga434(at)aol.com |
do you know of any? please send be direct email info
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| From: | "larry boggan" <laboggan(at)hotmail.com> |
I have scribed the center line down my canopy and tried it on my canopy
frame.(john harmon tilt up model) It looks like I'll need to cut inches off
of the sides and back when the front center and back center on the hoop are
touching. Is this standard to cut that much off?
Any suggestions to help in fitting this thing would be appreciated.
Don't want to make any cuts on this thousand dollar piece of plastic yet.
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The shoulder straps should always attach higher than the shoulders. The
seat belt is to stop vertical movement and the shoulder straps stop you from
going forward. Many compression fractures have occurred from shoulder straps
stopping vertical movement instead of lap belts. Leave the straps a little
looser than the lap belt. After takeoff and landing you can always let a
little slack out to be comfortable. Also think about your head not stopping
going forward when the straps stop your body????? A helmet with a Velcro
strap to the rollbar might help ALA racecar style. TT in Indy
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| From: | Scot Stambaugh <sstambaugh(at)qualcomm.com> |
Great pictures Tom. Thanks for taking the time to post them. It looks as
though your event went very well but those of us building F1 Rockets right
now (#19) are very interested in hearing how Mark did in the riveting
contest.;~) I think I will go back out to the shop and take a second look
at the quality of the rivets in my fuselage and wings. Thanks again for
hosting this event. I hope to be attending in Rocket #19 next year.
scot
>
>For those of you that do not monitor the RV list I copied the following
>message from Are Barstad regarding our flyin. I am not sure about every one
>else but I had a good time:)!! We had a riveting contest which after a few
>cold ones was particularly amusing. There are some pretty good pics in the
>attached note.
>
>Tom Martin
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Are Barstad"
>
>RV-4 and 2-time HR-II builder Tom Martin was kind enough to host a RV/Rocket
>campout at his farm which is only about 1 mile from St. Thomas airport in
>Ontario, Canada. Of the 18 RV's/Rockets that arrived, there were many
>Indiana RV's in addition to Mark Frederick's HR-II from Texas. We also had a
>good attendenace from the Ontario Wing. It wasn't near the participation of
>the Texas events (isn't *everything* large there? :) ) but we had a great
>time!
>I also had the pleasure of meeting Vince Frazier, Bob Japundza and Randy
>Pflanzer w/son. I can attest that both Randy and Bob have very nice RV-6's!
>
>You can see some pictures here while I update the Ontario Wing website:
>
>http://members6.clubphoto.com/are393304/Jun_24_2001/
>
>Are
>RV-8 Wings
>www.ontariorvators.org VAF-OW
>
>
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
| Subject: | Tom Martin's fly-in |
SNIP Great pictures Tom. Thanks for taking the time to post them. It looks
as
though your event went very well but those of us building F1 Rockets right
now (#19) are very interested in hearing how Mark did in the riveting
contest.;~) SNIP
I'll have a full report on my website later today, including pics of Mark
mashing the daylights out of a rivet.
Man, it was the best time I've had all year... with or without clothing!
;-)
Vince Frazier
3965 Caborn Road
Mount Vernon, IN 47620
812-985-7309 home
812-464-1839 work
Harmon Rocket II ... the fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html <---- note: new
URL as of 5/30/01
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jandkstone(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Engine mount hardware |
I didn't get a single reply so I will repost this question.
My RV-4 plans call for the following engine mount-to-firewall attach
hardware. Does the HR get the same?
AN6-32 bolts (6 reqd)
AN 310-6 nuts (6 reqd)
AN 960-616 washers (6 reqd)
1 inch OD, 3/8 inch ID, 1/16 inch thick washers (6 reqd)
1 1/2 inch OD, 1/2 inch ID, 1/16 inch thick (4 reqd)
The gear leg attach hardware appears to be as follows:
An 5-21A bolts (unknown qty)
AN 365-524 nuts (unknown qty)
Can anyone confirm or deny the above?
Thanks,
Stoner
SDF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
| Subject: | Engine mount hardware |
Jim
Your best resource for these type of questions is John Harmon, I have
always found him to be very helpful. The cases like bolt length though it
is almost better to measure the length required and cross match it with a
bolt length guage. Each installation is kind of different. The tubes that
the engine mount bolts go through might not be exactly the same length. I
think that it would be ok to grind one off a little to fit a bolt length,
but here again you should check with John. Someone will likely correct me
here but you are allowed up to three washers on a bolt if the number of
threads showing on the end of the bolt are within the guidlines.
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Sent: June 26, 2001 11:32 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Engine mount hardware
I didn't get a single reply so I will repost this question.
My RV-4 plans call for the following engine mount-to-firewall attach
hardware. Does the HR get the same?
AN6-32 bolts (6 reqd)
AN 310-6 nuts (6 reqd)
AN 960-616 washers (6 reqd)
1 inch OD, 3/8 inch ID, 1/16 inch thick washers (6 reqd)
1 1/2 inch OD, 1/2 inch ID, 1/16 inch thick (4 reqd)
The gear leg attach hardware appears to be as follows:
An 5-21A bolts (unknown qty)
AN 365-524 nuts (unknown qty)
Can anyone confirm or deny the above?
Thanks,
Stoner
SDF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "john linman" <johnl(at)aopa.net> |
| Subject: | Harmon Rocket II for Sale |
I am selling my Harmon Rocket for $114,000. May consider trades.
See details on this web site:
htpp://myplaneonline.com/n76hr.html
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| From: | "john linman" <johnl(at)aopa.net> |
| Subject: | Harmon Rocket II for Sale |
I am selling my Harmon Rocket for $114,000. May consider trades.
See details on this web site:
htpp://www.myplaneonline.com/n76hr.html
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
I have to tell you all.... Go to Vince Frazier's site and take in all
the info.....
Vince, I want the canopy...... Tom: Nice job on the flyin and all that
went into it.. You know what I mean... Geez, I could go on for a
long time, but the fact remains, that your efforts and maybe those of
your family, created a very cool/educational time for the attendees...
I/Luc can hardly wait to attend next year "Gathering"............
I am ordering engines and accessories now to get my airplane finished
soon.
Bet I can rivet better than Mokry as it goes to competition.......
Aren't Rockets just the greatest?
Weav
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "john linman" <johnl(at)aopa.net> |
| Subject: | Correction: Rocket for Sale |
Harmon Rocket II for Sale: $114,000
Sorry, I typed the web address wrong on prior notice.
To see pictures and details click:
http://www.myplaneonline.com/n76hr.html
The aircraft is in Prineville, Oregon. The web page gives info on
the airport and current weather as well.
I prefer $114,000 in cash but am open to offers of any kind.
I might consider a quality certified aircraft or even an RV (motor
home)in trade.
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
| Subject: | Tom, question about the VGs on your Rocket |
Tom,
You said you weren't happy with your VGs. Can you elaborate just a bit? I
was considering them for mine (someday) and I have had a bunch of people ask
me about them via e-mail. The only other VG installation I know of was on
Terry Jantzi's RV-6 and his numbers weren't terribly impressive.
Thanks,
Vince
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Weaver [SMTP:Mytyweav(at)flash.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:34 AM
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Rocket-List: General Stuff
>
>
> I have to tell you all.... Go to Vince Frazier's site and take in all
> the info.....
> Vince, I want the canopy...... Tom: Nice job on the flyin and all that
> went into it.. You know what I mean... Geez, I could go on for a
> long time, but the fact remains, that your efforts and maybe those of
> your family, created a very cool/educational time for the attendees...
> I/Luc can hardly wait to attend next year "Gathering"............
> I am ordering engines and accessories now to get my airplane finished
> soon.
> Bet I can rivet better than Mokry as it goes to competition.......
>
> Aren't Rockets just the greatest?
> Weav
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tom, question about the VGs on your Rocket |
VG's are difficult to keep clean and only serve to get in the way of washing
and waxing etc....
Who really cares if the stall speed drops 3 mph?
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Frazier, Vincent A <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:02 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: Tom, question about the VGs on your Rocket
>
> Tom,
>
> You said you weren't happy with your VGs. Can you elaborate just a bit?
I
> was considering them for mine (someday) and I have had a bunch of people
ask
> me about them via e-mail. The only other VG installation I know of was on
> Terry Jantzi's RV-6 and his numbers weren't terribly impressive.
>
> Thanks,
> Vince
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fred Weaver [SMTP:Mytyweav(at)flash.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:34 AM
> > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Rocket-List: General Stuff
> >
> >
> > I have to tell you all.... Go to Vince Frazier's site and take in all
> > the info.....
> > Vince, I want the canopy...... Tom: Nice job on the flyin and all that
> > went into it.. You know what I mean... Geez, I could go on for a
> > long time, but the fact remains, that your efforts and maybe those of
> > your family, created a very cool/educational time for the attendees...
> > I/Luc can hardly wait to attend next year "Gathering"............
> > I am ordering engines and accessories now to get my airplane finished
> > soon.
> > Bet I can rivet better than Mokry as it goes to competition.......
> >
> > Aren't Rockets just the greatest?
> > Weav
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Tom, question about the VGs on your Rocket |
Did not check for top end but saw 0 difference elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
"rv-list(at)matronics.com"
| Subject: | insurance/IO-540 |
I just got off the phone with AVEMCO and now have an "ALL RISK" policy,
coverage for $120,000 at an annual premium of $2,297!!!
When I first apllied, I only had 25 hrs in taildraggers: 15 in a Stinson
Voyager and 10 in the Super6. They told me to go away (even with my
prior military time--and were concerned that the higher hp would let me
deviate from Van's posted V-speeds)--a related problem, was that Harmon
refuses to send any engineering or performance data to the insurers,
even tho they have made multiple requests. Now, with 300 hrs, accident
free, they wrote up the policy without blinking and thanked me for my business.
Boyd Braem
RV-Super6
Big, dam* load off my mind (no jokes, please)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
| Subject: | insurance/IO-540 |
Boyd
I am paying about the same as you are, perhaps a tad less, I have almost
1000 hours tail time. I am with BAIG but avemco was the same price. The
only difference was that BAIG would insure me from the 1st hour but Avemco
needed 10 hours before coverage. To be fair to Avemco if I had had easy
access to the EAA advisor program they would have covered me for the first
10 hours. If I remember the quotes at the time I paid 10% more then a RV6 if
it was valued at the same amount. I pay more insurance to cover my 18 year
old son in a 1988 pickup truck!!!! and he is accident and ticket free.
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Boyd C.
Braem
Sent: June 28, 2001 1:10 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: insurance/IO-540
I just got off the phone with AVEMCO and now have an "ALL RISK" policy,
coverage for $120,000 at an annual premium of $2,297!!!
When I first apllied, I only had 25 hrs in taildraggers: 15 in a Stinson
Voyager and 10 in the Super6. They told me to go away (even with my
prior military time--and were concerned that the higher hp would let me
deviate from Van's posted V-speeds)--a related problem, was that Harmon
refuses to send any engineering or performance data to the insurers,
even tho they have made multiple requests. Now, with 300 hrs, accident
free, they wrote up the policy without blinking and thanked me for my
business.
Boyd Braem
RV-Super6
Big, dam* load off my mind (no jokes, please)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bryan E. Files" <bfiles(at)gci.net> |
| Subject: | Tom, question about the VGs on your Rocket |
I have done a lot of testing with VG's on a number of aircraft and was
thinking about becoming a distributor for a company and get the Alaska
market. What I have found with most VG's is that placement is the most
important. I have moved VG's around trying to find the so called sweet spot
and came up with some different conclusions than the manufature. Anyways
after testing VG's on 5 different types of aircraft and sorry but the 5 did
not include a HRII (because I am so slow on getting mine put togeather) I
found that you really dont pick up any speed, the airplanes don't fly more
than about 3 MPH slower at the lower end. What I did like the most about
the VG's was that on most all the aircraft I had great airleron control
clear down to the stall (less mush).
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Weaver
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Tom, question about the VGs on your Rocket
VG's are difficult to keep clean and only serve to get in the way of washing
and waxing etc....
Who really cares if the stall speed drops 3 mph?
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Frazier, Vincent A <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:02 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: Tom, question about the VGs on your Rocket
>
> Tom,
>
> You said you weren't happy with your VGs. Can you elaborate just a bit?
I
> was considering them for mine (someday) and I have had a bunch of people
ask
> me about them via e-mail. The only other VG installation I know of was on
> Terry Jantzi's RV-6 and his numbers weren't terribly impressive.
>
> Thanks,
> Vince
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fred Weaver [SMTP:Mytyweav(at)flash.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:34 AM
> > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Rocket-List: General Stuff
> >
> >
> > I have to tell you all.... Go to Vince Frazier's site and take in all
> > the info.....
> > Vince, I want the canopy...... Tom: Nice job on the flyin and all that
> > went into it.. You know what I mean... Geez, I could go on for a
> > long time, but the fact remains, that your efforts and maybe those of
> > your family, created a very cool/educational time for the attendees...
> > I/Luc can hardly wait to attend next year "Gathering"............
> > I am ordering engines and accessories now to get my airplane finished
> > soon.
> > Bet I can rivet better than Mokry as it goes to competition.......
> >
> > Aren't Rockets just the greatest?
> > Weav
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Harmon Rocket II for Sale |
Dont know about your rocket,,, But Rockets are somthin special and
automatically demand a higher price $114 T sounds way to cheap... Please
dont sell yourself and all the rest of us short..
Thanks Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "john linman" <johnl(at)aopa.net> |
| Subject: | Rocket no longer for sale |
No sweat Larry. My insurance agent had me in a state of panic here.
AIG notified a lot of us that they were not going to renew our
insurance because of so many Harmon losses. He left me with the
impression that we were uninsurable. I probably did price too low.
I thought I'd have to go low to get rid of it. No one wants to fly
without insurance. $114,000 is what I have in it tho. I guess I got
a pretty good deal when I bought it. I'm the second owner.
John Harmon came to my rescue tho. AVEMCO has picked up my policy
and the bird is off the market now. Im going to notify the list right
now that it is no longer for sale.
Best Wishes
John Linman
N76HR
Dont know about your rocket,,, But Rockets are somthin special and
automatically demand a higher price $114 T sounds way to cheap...
Please
dont sell yourself and all the rest of us short..
Thanks Larry
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| From: | Tim Bronson <IMAV8N(at)compuserve.com> |
Hi Folks,
A recent post referenced insurance cancellation due to the high number of
Harmon Rocket losses. That brings a few questions to mind:
1) Is there any common thread to the losses?
2) Which insurer was refusing Rocket renewals?
3) Avemco was mentioned as one who would insure Rockets. What other
insurance companies continue to handle Rockets?
Thanks,
Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
As I mentioned in a previous post a couple of days ago, both BAIG and Avemco
would insure my plane, no problem.
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Bronson
Sent: June 30, 2001 8:34 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Insurance
Hi Folks,
A recent post referenced insurance cancellation due to the high number of
Harmon Rocket losses. That brings a few questions to mind:
1) Is there any common thread to the losses?
2) Which insurer was refusing Rocket renewals?
3) Avemco was mentioned as one who would insure Rockets. What other
insurance companies continue to handle Rockets?
Thanks,
Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
Avemco @ $3,200/yr/ 90k hull - from first hour. Is this in line with others?
Tom Martin wrote:
>
> As I mentioned in a previous post a couple of days ago, both BAIG and Avemco
> would insure my plane, no problem.
>
> Tom Martin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Bronson
> Sent: June 30, 2001 8:34 AM
> To: Rocket List
> Subject: Rocket-List: Insurance
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> A recent post referenced insurance cancellation due to the high number of
> Harmon Rocket losses. That brings a few questions to mind:
>
> 1) Is there any common thread to the losses?
>
> 2) Which insurer was refusing Rocket renewals?
>
> 3) Avemco was mentioned as one who would insure Rockets. What other
> insurance companies continue to handle Rockets?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "john linman" <johnl(at)aopa.net> |
Exlanation for Insurance Panic:
AIG sent me a non-renewal notice after having a spotless record with
them for two years. I have over 6,000 hours mostly jet fighter time,
an ATP and about 800 tail dragger of which 175 is in the Rocket.
No explanation accompanied the non-renewal notice. I Thought it
might be my age (73 in September). My agent (Bill White in Corona,
Ca) told me it was the accident record of the HRII. Many nose-overs,
prop strikes ... careless ground operation mostly. He also scared
the hell out of me when he said we may not be insurable. I have been
unable to get him to return my calls so that explains my panic ad to
unload it. I expected to see the market flooded with HRII's.
Anyway, the good news is that AVEMCO picked up my policy. I will pay
$3,030 for $1,000,000. Back seat $100,000 and $110 k hull. This is
the identical coverage I had with AIG but I was paying $2000 with
them. I guess all of us will be paying for those accidents for some
time to come.
I'm sure glad I didn't sell. Never had so much fun in bed or in the
air.
Best wishes to all,
John Linman
http://myplaneonline.com/n76hr.html
---- Begin Included Message ----
From: Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Insurance
Avemco @ $3,200/yr/ 90k hull - from first hour. Is this in line
with others?
Tom Martin wrote:
>
> As I mentioned in a previous post a couple of days ago, both BAIG
and Avemco
> would insure my plane, no problem.
>
> Tom Martin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
Bronson
> Sent: June 30, 2001 8:34 AM
> To: Rocket List
> Subject: Rocket-List: Insurance
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> A recent post referenced insurance cancellation due to the high
number of
> Harmon Rocket losses. That brings a few questions to mind:
>
> 1) Is there any common thread to the losses?
>
> 2) Which insurer was refusing Rocket renewals?
>
> 3) Avemco was mentioned as one who would insure Rockets. What
other
> insurance companies continue to handle Rockets?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
---- End Included Message ----
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In a message dated 6/30/2001 11:12:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
robmokry(at)pacbell.net writes:
> Avemco @ $3,200/yr/ 90k hull - from first hour. Is this in line with
> others?
>
> I was quoted 2800 a year for 110,000 for my F1 rocket for first hour,
> Well I guess john finally got the enginering info to Avemco. Great to here
> harmons are again easlity insurable.
>
> chris wilcox
> F1 Rocket builder
>
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 6/30/2001 7:41:51 AM Central Daylight Time,
fairlea(at)execulink.com writes:
> As I mentioned in a previous post a couple of days ago, both BAIG and Avemco
> would insure my plane, no problem.
>
> Tom Martin
Tom, your in canada, its a little different there. Actually there is
another company in Quebec that will insurance them also.
Chris WIlcox
F1 rocket
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 6/30/2001 7:36:02 AM Central Daylight Time,
IMAV8N(at)compuserve.com writes:
> Hi Folks,
>
> A recent post referenced insurance cancellation due to the high number of
> Harmon Rocket losses. That brings a few questions to mind:
>
> 1) Is there any common thread to the losses?
>
> 2) Which insurer was refusing Rocket renewals?
>
> 3) Avemco was mentioned as one who would insure Rockets. What other
> insurance companies continue to handle Rockets?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
In the US the only company I know of at this point in time is Avemco and the
one out of Quebec Canada, However I would use Avemco in a heartbeat.
Harmon problems, broken landing gear, poor judgement in ground handling,
prop strikes, a tornado got one last year too. Also not sure if it was 2
years ago or not, one spun in in florida casue he ran out of fuel and went in
while trying to switch tanks or somehting like that.
Problem with insuring the harmon is that last I had heard from Avemco is that
john had not supplied them with the enginering data they wanted. Also there
have just been to many accidents for the number flying. SInce its a
slowbuild there are just not enough flying to support all the claims.
chris wilcox
f1 rocket builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | Rocket-List : Shoulder Harness Restraints |
> Anyone using the RV6 method for attaching the rear shoulder harnesses? If
> so, did the belts run up to the standard slots in the 407 and then out and
> over the shoulders? Does it seem that the 407 can crush in an impact
where
> the belts pull hard (mount and shoulders much lower than the slots in the
> 407)? I like the idea of mounting this way, but it seems to not be great
> that the belts go up and then down rather than fairly straight to the
> shoulders.
We had quite a discussion on this a couple of years ago over on the RV List.
I'm just posing over here (RV6A builder) but I feel like jumping in. The
talk got started because someone mentioned how easy it is to get in and out
of a 6 slider when you cut the seat backs down to the height of the
longerons. Some one else quickly piped up that this destroys the geometry of
the shoulder harness. You see, the height of the seat back protects ones
spine from compression in a hard deceleration. If the shoulder harness is
lower than your shoulders, it pushes you down as it arrests your forward
movement. Spinal compression is bad.
My memory is a little vague, but I seem to remember some one failed an
inspection due to this. I'll bet most inspectors would miss it but some one
quoted the reg that calls out for restraint standards. I don't have access
to
the archives right now but this is covered in better detail there (RV List).
This geometry issue is also covered in one of Tony's books, you'll find the
quote in the archives. I recall that Van's RV6 design is only just
considered
adequate. The cables are anchored to the longerons which is definitely the
strongest point back there but the downfall is that it is lower than your
shoulders. I wish Scott M was around, I'm sure he could add some thing here.
Basically, don't cut your seat backs down.
My RV6A has a large compartment above the longerons behind the luggage area
to accommodate skis. I took great pains to ensure that I didn't change the
run of the shoulder harness cable.
> It seems in the archives that the best option for a parking brake valve is
> the $185 Cleveland one. Anyone have a cheaper or better solution?
Have you seen the one in Van's catalog? That's the one I bought. No
instructions but actually very easy to figure out.
Lancair also has one in their catalog.
> Aloha a hui ho,
OK, I'll bite, what does "a hui ho" mean?
Regards,
Norman Hunger
RV6A Christina Lake BC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matthew Gelber <mgelber(at)pacbell.net> |
Chris- As long as insurance is being discussed- I've been thinking about
putting a fastback on my RV-8. Would this make it difficult to insure? I
don't know if the insurance companies would consider it to be an RV-8 at
that point, or if it would be insured as a one-of-a-kind design, with (I
assume) higher rates.
Matthew
8A fuse
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 6/30/2001 6:01:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
mgelber(at)pacbell.net writes:
> Chris- As long as insurance is being discussed- I've been thinking about
> putting a fastback on my RV-8. Would this make it difficult to insure? I
> don't know if the insurance companies would consider it to be an RV-8 at
> that point, or if it would be insured as a one-of-a-kind design, with (I
> assume) higher rates.
>
> Matthew
> 8A fuse
My personal opinion is it wont make it harder to insure. If you were
changing wings, landing gear length or aircraft stuff like that yes, I mean
a RV4 to a Harmon is a big deal, but adding the fastback to a RV8 no, but
thats just my opinion and its counts for nothing with the underwriter. So
if your worried about insurance costs, call up the agency your planing to
work with and have them check it out for. Nothing will be writen in stone,
but it should tell you what to expect.
Sorry I cant be of more help.
Chris Wilcox
F1 rocket builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List : Shoulder Harness Restraints |
Thanks for the info Norman. I'll check the archives, but it seems that the
system may work on the RV4/HRII due to the fact that we have the slots in
the 407 bulkhead well above the shoulders. Downside is that the 407 might
crush if the belts are pulled hard enough.
>>OK, I'll bite, what does "a hui ho" mean?
Aloha a hui ho is basically goodbye, or "until we meet again".
Russ
Harmon Kao lele II (you can figure this one out!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Hackleman" <bkh(at)rochester.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Team Rocket Website |
Anyone know why Team Rocket's site is offline? I keep getting "you are not
authorized to view this site" error message.
Brian
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Team Rocket Website |
In a message dated 7/2/2001 10:03:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
bkh(at)rochester.rr.com writes:
> Anyone know why Team Rocket's site is offline? I keep getting "you are not
> authorized to view this site" error message.
>
>
No and neither do they. I contact Mark Fredricks of team rocket this morning
and he is going to make some calls to see why their site is offline. It
maybe as simple as a update gone wrong or the hosting company lost a server.
I know my companies website has gone down to bad servers serveral times. I
would think it would be up soon.
chris wilcox
f1 rocket builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Greco4949M(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket no longer for sale |
When you say so many "Harmon losses"...what do you mean??....Do theyhave an
unsafe track record....just interested because I am building an F-1.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Team Rocket Website |
| From: | Captain KAOS <kaos(at)captainkaos.com> |
Server has gone down
Nothing wrong with web site
kaos
On 3/7/01 1:00 AM, "Brian Hackleman" wrote:
>
> Anyone know why Team Rocket's site is offline? I keep getting "you are not
> authorized to view this site" error message.
>
> Brian
>
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| Subject: | Re: Team Rocket Website |
In a message dated 7/2/2001 2:38:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
kaos(at)captainkaos.com writes:
> Server has gone down
>
>
> Nothing wrong with web site
> kaos
>
been down for 2 days, tell mark to ask for a refund, sites guarentee uptime
chris
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| Subject: | Plane for Sale and Insurance |
I recently had an incident in my HR II in which the nut and bolt attahcing
the left rudder cable to the left rudder pedal came unattached just as I was
touching down in a crosswind landing. I hit right rudder to ground loop
(since that was all I could do) and the gear legs broke off as I spun around
causing major damage to the left wing and the other incidentals you could
imagine. I am having a new wing built so it should be better than before
since I am also putting the stronger gear legs on it. AIG is my insurance
carrier and I have had a horrible time with them. Also, about a week after
the claim I got notice that they were not renewing my insurance. According
to my agent they were upset with the number of claims they have had on
Rockets.
This brings me to another outcome of this. My wife says it is time to get
out of the "Hotrod" and into a "Spam Can" again. As much as I hate to do
it, when Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. So, if anyone is interested,
let me know. I will have full details later. The plane is going to be
repainted so you could pick your own scheme. Engine has about 150 hours on
it since MOH and the airframe about 250. Full IFR with new avionics
including a stormscope, GPS, JPI 700 engine analyzer and fuel totalizer.
King radios, etc. I have been using it for business travel so it is set up
for cruising. Great plane, I am going to miss it!
Ernest Hale
ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Bronson
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 7:34 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Insurance
Hi Folks,
A recent post referenced insurance cancellation due to the high number of
Harmon Rocket losses. That brings a few questions to mind:
1) Is there any common thread to the losses?
2) Which insurer was refusing Rocket renewals?
3) Avemco was mentioned as one who would insure Rockets. What other
insurance companies continue to handle Rockets?
Thanks,
Tim
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Rudder Pedal Assembly |
| From: | Tom Willey <twilley(at)willeya.com> |
Does anyone have a better diagram or more detail on the rudder pedal
assembly. One page is not enough for us neophites. Thanks Tom Willey #50
--
| Tom Willey Ph. 317-335-2445 |
| Willey & Associates Fax 317-335-2559 |
| 6722 West Cardinal Dr. e-mail: twilley(at)willeya.com |
| McCordsville, IN 46055 |
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| From: | Jim Thomson <jthomson-cdm(at)home.com> |
Has anybody experienced high enough oil temperatures to go to
running 2 oil coolers? Currently breaking in an IO-540 (10:1) and
getting HIGH oil temps, but CHT is very acceptable.
Any thoughts, ideas, sympathy?
Jim Thomson
N325L
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedal Assembly |
| From: | Captain KAOS <kaos(at)captainkaos.com> |
On 5/7/01 1:39 AM, "Tom Willey" wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a better diagram or more detail on the rudder pedal
> assembly. One page is not enough for us neophites. Thanks Tom Willey #50
See if this helps
From Doug's f1 australia
Captain kaos
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| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler(s) |
Witch cooler are you using? the new Rocket III is 11 to 1 oil temp is fine
head temps are high
John
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler(s) |
I have 2 coolers on my 540. The temps would zoom up and were pretty
disconcerting. I have one in the baffle and another that takes air in on the
side of the cowl from a NAACO opening. The temps now run about 180 and
sometimes get to 192. TT in Indy
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler(s) |
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler(s) |
Jim--
I'm running an IO-540 with 10:1 pistons and a Stewart Warner oil cooler.
I have to cover approx. 50% of the cooler radiator to get the oil temp
up over 190 F, even during Florida summers.
This may sound like an almost stuoid question, but have you checked the
outflow lines from the cooler to see if oil is in the cooler and
circulating. I have heard of some coolers that got thru quality control
with some type of internal blockage.
Boyd.
Jim Thomson wrote:
>
>
> Has anybody experienced high enough oil temperatures to go to
> running 2 oil coolers? Currently breaking in an IO-540 (10:1) and
> getting HIGH oil temps, but CHT is very acceptable.
>
> Any thoughts, ideas, sympathy?
>
> Jim Thomson
> N325L
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler(s) |
Hey John, how's about some numbers on the new III? Power settings,
speeds, altitudes, temps fuel flow, and more on the engine like the 11-1
"stuff." TT in Indy
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I have 2 coolers on my rocket, the oil temps stayed high with just one but
does fine with 2.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
HR69GT(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Oil Cooler(s)
I have 2 coolers on my 540. The temps would zoom up and were pretty
disconcerting. I have one in the baffle and another that takes air in on the
side of the cowl from a NAACO opening. The temps now run about 180 and
sometimes get to 192. TT in Indy
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| From: | "David Deffner" <deffner(at)glade.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler(s) |
Hey Boyd, How about some detail on your oil cooler installation. Have you
checked your gage? What is your oil pressure on what wt oil? What size oil
cooler and where is it located and how mounted? Sounds like you have this
oil cooling problem solved. Thanks!
David in Tx.
----- Original Message -----
From: Boyd C. Braem <bcbraem(at)home.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Oil Cooler(s)
>
> Jim--
>
> I'm running an IO-540 with 10:1 pistons and a Stewart Warner oil cooler.
> I have to cover approx. 50% of the cooler radiator to get the oil temp
> up over 190 F, even during Florida summers.
>
> This may sound like an almost stuoid question, but have you checked the
> outflow lines from the cooler to see if oil is in the cooler and
> circulating. I have heard of some coolers that got thru quality control
> with some type of internal blockage.
>
> Boyd.
>
>
> Jim Thomson wrote:
> >
> >
> > Has anybody experienced high enough oil temperatures to go to
> > running 2 oil coolers? Currently breaking in an IO-540 (10:1) and
> > getting HIGH oil temps, but CHT is very acceptable.
> >
> > Any thoughts, ideas, sympathy?
> >
> > Jim Thomson
> > N325L
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler(s) |
I have a fiberglass plenum over the the metal baffle frame. The oil
cooler is mounted behind #6 cylinder thru a cut out in the metal baffle
frame. The air inlets are larger than most Rockets that I've seen
pictures of and the exhaust outlet area has been increased,
considerably, to create suction in the air inlets. I'll have to get the
numbers ( sq. inches and ratio) from the hangar tomorrow and re-post. I
run Shell 100W Plus. Oil pressure has always been "normal" with the
settings on the VM-1000--between 70-75 psi.
Boyd
RV-Super 6
IO-540 and Rocket mods to the -6
David Deffner wrote:
>
>
> Hey Boyd, How about some detail on your oil cooler installation. Have you
> checked your gage? What is your oil pressure on what wt oil? What size oil
> cooler and where is it located and how mounted? Sounds like you have this
> oil cooling problem solved. Thanks!
> David in Tx.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Boyd C. Braem <bcbraem(at)home.com>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Oil Cooler(s)
>
> >
> > Jim--
> >
> > I'm running an IO-540 with 10:1 pistons and a Stewart Warner oil cooler.
> > I have to cover approx. 50% of the cooler radiator to get the oil temp
> > up over 190 F, even during Florida summers.
> >
> > This may sound like an almost stuoid question, but have you checked the
> > outflow lines from the cooler to see if oil is in the cooler and
> > circulating. I have heard of some coolers that got thru quality control
> > with some type of internal blockage.
> >
> > Boyd.
> >
> >
> > Jim Thomson wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Has anybody experienced high enough oil temperatures to go to
> > > running 2 oil coolers? Currently breaking in an IO-540 (10:1) and
> > > getting HIGH oil temps, but CHT is very acceptable.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts, ideas, sympathy?
> > >
> > > Jim Thomson
> > > N325L
> > >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler(s) |
Like Boyd I also increased the outlet size considerable. And Boyd, how
about some performance numbers on your Super-6 as I have several friends
building them and would really be interested in what you have and are
getting. Thanks, TT in Indy
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IO-540 Super6 Info |
Super6 Data:
engine: LyCon built, IO-540-EXP, C4B5 based, 10:1 pistons, 325 hp @
2800 rpm
ignition: LightSpeed on top plugs, Bendix mags on bottom plus (Klaus
Xavier says he prefers the Bendix mag over the Slick)
fuel system: RSA-5AD1 controller and direct ram air duct with flapper
door and Y-scat tube connection behind flapper door for filtered air
(BA-7112 filter)
fuselage: stretched about a foot
fuse. skins: all skins from most aft bulkhead to firewall upped one
step in thickness; from cockpit to firewall, skin is a glued
laminate of 0.020 + 0.032; just re-skinned elevators/rudder with
0.020 skins
gear: Rocket titanium legs (which sag about 5
degrees*&&&
&
%$
stock tail spring/tailwheel with Terry Jantzi's Steering Link (a
thing of beauty); weight on tailwheel in 3-point stance = 95#
prop: 80" 2-blade Hartzell
battery: Concorde 25XC up against the aft fuse bulkhead (ELT unit and
Whelen Strobe power supply also back there)
wings: clipped 7" with Ollie Brennan's tips (ordered Jon Johanson's tip
tanks) to up fuel from 38 gal to 56 gal
top speed to date: 260 mph, level flight (working on fairings for
rudder cables, fuel sump drains, etc. to reduce parasitic drag);
flown to 290 mph in a dive with no flutter, obviously, as I'm here to
type this
weight/hp at aerobatic weight (1550#): 4.8:1 (comparable to a souped
up Pitts)
gross weight: 2,000 lbs (with further testing, I may up it to 2,100 or
2,200) for the tip tanks--they give me an extra hour of cruise, with
reserves, at altitude (50-55% power (19-20" MAP and 2200 rpm) and
approx. 12 gal/hr.)
Max rate of climb (with maybe a little zoom): 4,200 ft/min
vertical penetration: 2,000-2,500 ft without aileron rolls
roll rate: OK (haven't timed it)--remember that the ailerons (and
flaps) are trimmed 3.5"; if I did it again, I would keep the
ailerons full length and trim the flaps 7"
Also, just installed a set of VGs (from Larry Vetterman-$400); will be
flight testing them after I get some help to hoist the engine and put in
some washers/spacers behind the Lord mounts; engine sag about 1/8"
after 300 hrs and some pretty hard flying (I love to pull g's--ex-Navy
jet jock)
Boyd.
HR69GT(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Like Boyd I also increased the outlet size considerable. And Boyd, how
> about some performance numbers on your Super-6 as I have several friends
> building them and would really be interested in what you have and are
> getting. Thanks, TT in Indy
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| From: | Kelsey Jewett <delfinwest(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Walter turboprop |
I have begun construction on my Rocket II and am having thoughts of a
Walter turbine.
Has anyone else had this idea.
Kelsey Jewett Redding California
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| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Walter turboprop |
Where are you going to put 200 gal. of fuel?
John
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| From: | "Robert & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall(at)thegrid.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Walter turboprop |
Hey Kelsey, contact Harmon, there was a fellow in GA or deep south
somewhere that was going to do this but didn't know where to put the
fuel ! keep building, and thinking, these rockets are great! Bob TRK,CA
RRII
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelsey Jewett
To: Rocket List
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 12:26 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: Walter turboprop
I have begun construction on my Rocket II and am having thoughts of a
Walter turbine.
Has anyone else had this idea.
Kelsey Jewett Redding California
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| Subject: | Re: Walter turboprop |
"Robert & Toodie Marshall"writes:
> Hey Kelsey, contact Harmon, there was a fellow in GA or deep south>
somewhere that was going to do this but didn't know where to put the >>
fuel ! keep building, and thinking, these rockets are great! Bob > TRK,CA
> RRII
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kelsey Jewett
> : Walter turboprop
> I have begun construction on my Rocket II and am having thoughts
> of a Walter turbine. Has anyone else had this idea.
> > Kelsey Jewett Redding California
Just refuel while in the air, no problem. There's a certain IVP Lancair
with a 400CID V8 that will out run the turbines on long cross countrys as
he doesn't have to stop for fuel, even if he is limited to only 400mph.
Happy flying guys,
Tom Jones TGIF
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Walter turboprop |
Why not an Allison turbo?--I understand it comes in at two hundred
pounds and 400 hp. Plus, I also hear that it sucks, drains, swallows,
etc. much less fuel than the Walter. May be able to get by with less
tha 200 gal of kerosesne.
Boyd.
Kelsey Jewett wrote:
>
>
> I have begun construction on my Rocket II and am having thoughts of a
> Walter turbine.
>
> Has anyone else had this idea.
>
> Kelsey Jewett Redding California
>
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| Subject: | Re: Walter turboprop |
In a message dated 7/6/2001 9:09:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
bcbraem(at)home.com writes:
> Why not an Allison turbo?--I understand it comes in at two hundred
> pounds and 400 hp. Plus, I also hear that it sucks, drains, swallows,
> etc. much less fuel than the Walter. May be able to get by with less
> tha 200 gal of kerosesne.
>
>
whats the cost of that though, I thought it was over 100,000. Walter u
only need 120-150 gallons. I believe the stewart mustang in this months
kitplanes had 158 gallons and a walter, but where can we put 150 gallons.
lol.
Damn it would be a nice plane though
chris
f1 rocket builder
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| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plane for Sale and Insurance |
RE:
> I recently had an incident in my HR II in which the nut and bolt attahcing
> the left rudder cable to the left rudder pedal came unattached just as I
was
> touching down
Ernest,
Can you supply some more details as to why the hardware failed? Vans has a
pseudo service bulletin out regarding the cotter pins and nuts holding the
cables to the pedals. Did the nut back off?
Aloha,
Russ
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| From: | "Lee" <leetay(at)idcomm.com> |
RE: Walter turboprop dreamings:
Re all the comments about where the fuel would go, I once had a chance
to
peruse a 160-hp Midget Mustang that had 78 gallons in a wet wing! And that
was a WHOLE lot smaller volume wing than the Rocket. He had changed the
skins from .020 to .032, and at 4 years old, it showed no indications of
problems.
Gotta admit, tho, a plane of the rocket's size, with 1300 some-odd lbs
of
fuel on board----------might affect the delightful handling a little! Not
too sure I would want to take it off at Leadville here in Colorado on a hot
day. ('course, since we are daydreaming, why not an ejection seat, too?
That would only add about another 2-300lbs? That would take care of the
potential Leadville problems.)(and our excessive-balance bankbook problems)
Lee Taylor
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| Subject: | Plane for Sale and Insurance |
It appears that the nut backed off. The FAA went down to inspect and he
said he couldn't find the cotter pin but did find the nut and bolt and that
it appeared they were in good shape. Since he couldn't find the pin I am
not sure if it was left off at some point or if it broke off at some point.
I would suggest inspecting them and maybe replacing them.
Ernest
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Russ Werner
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plane for Sale and Insurance
RE:
> I recently had an incident in my HR II in which the nut and bolt attahcing
> the left rudder cable to the left rudder pedal came unattached just as I
was
> touching down
Ernest,
Can you supply some more details as to why the hardware failed? Vans has a
pseudo service bulletin out regarding the cotter pins and nuts holding the
cables to the pedals. Did the nut back off?
Aloha,
Russ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lee" <leetay(at)idcomm.com> |
Hi, Norm,
Re your comment about the ejection seat ad, I would be interested in any
responses you get to it. While I don't really think that something like
this is all that practical, I certainly see the potential in it. I flew in
jet fighters in the Air Force, and the ejection seat was the ONLY
POSSIBILITY of getting out. Also, I once got into an inadvertent
accelerated inverted spin in the Christen Eagle, (was attempting an inverted
flat spin, and didn't properly take into account a rather drastically
altered C.G. position from previous manuvers)(battery had been moved
forward), and a seat would have been the ONLY way to actually get out. I
started it at 9,500, and finally recovered at 3,500. The maneuver was so
violent with heavy G force(honestly couldn't tell which way I was spinning,
or upright/inverted) there was no way I could have gotten out normally in
time if the recovery hadn't been successful.
With extensive acro experience, I now consider my wearing of a chute almost
ludicrous. I would seldom consider getting out of a flyable plane, (unless
over bad terrain), and an out-of-control unflyable one is almost certainly
not practically, normally escapable, as I demonstrated with the Eagle. The
Rockets have both the performance, and the possibility, of getting into such
a situation.
The every-day safety of such a seat, of course, is also a major
consideration. While I was in the Air Force, an ejection seat specialist
splattered himself on a hanger roof during maintenance.
Lee Taylor
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Archie" <archie97(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ejection seat |
> The every-day safety of such a seat, of course, is also a major
> consideration. While I was in the Air Force, an ejection seat specialist
> splattered himself on a hanger roof during maintenance.
>
> Lee Taylor
Interesting, I was a B-47 maintenance officer in the AF, and was told of
such occurrences, but with all the safety precautions in place, thought it
was an old wives-tale.
Archie
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| From: | "Lee" <leetay(at)idcomm.com> |
| Subject: | spin testing-Boyd |
Hi, Boyd,
Re your comments about the Super-6 spin testing, what you described
with
yours is just about what happened to me with the Eagle. In my case, I had
done several inverted flat spins previously, (after being trained in them by
one of the premier pilots in his Pitts S-2 first), and wasn't expecting
anything different this time.
However, what had changed was that the plane's owner had changed the C.G.
to fit himself, rather than me who had done all the testing of the new
plane, by moving the battery from the rear of the rear seat, to just in back
of the firewall. (he forgot to tell me) I also had almost full fuel, where
before the flat spins were done with low tanks, and I had a passenger, whom
I was going to demonstrate to and teach the flat spins. The whole effect
was that the C.G. was moved considerably FORWARD from previous maneuvers,
and I wasn't sufficiently aware of the changes.
When I entered the flat spin inputs, the plane wouldn't go flat, but it
did
speed up its rotation considerably, with buildup of g-forces, which tells me
I wasn't truly spinning, but instead rotating very rapidly without a true
stall. Preconditioned to flat spin recovery techniques, I retarded the
throttle, released the stick, and kicked opposite rudder. Since I wasn't in
a true flat spin, releasing the stick DIDN'T give good aft stick (which
should have been used under those circumstances), and instead of recovering,
the plane went into a violently aggravated accelerated spin. As I said, it
took 6,000 ft, and several different recovery attempts and techniques, to
get the plane out.
The problem was quite simply a C.G. at the forward end of the range, beyond
the point of what would allow the expected inverted stall/spin maneuver, and
a pilot who was expecting one (a quite gentle) maneuver, which quickly
degenerated into something a whole lot different that what was anticipated.
I gave the inputs required for recovery from the EXPECTED maneuver, and that
generated a whole lot more violent episode. Luckily I don't believe in
high-performance low-level acrobatics!
The point of all this extended discussion is that planes, even flown by
trained pilots in what should be predicable circumstances, can do highly
unexpected things if the maneuver somehow gets screwed up, and the results
can be highly disorienting and potentially disastrous. As I said, I don't
believe in low-level aerobatics unless I am flying a routine such as IAC,
which are highly practiced, highly organized routines that have thoroughly
been tested beforehand. And, if something radical does happen, as did with
me in the Eagle, an ejection seat in something as high performance as the
Rockets might not be a bad idea. I certainly wouldn't have gotten out of
the Eagle if the recovery didn't (eventually) occur. It did make a firmer
believer in altitude out of me, and the possible potential of a seat. Break
apart a Rocket somehow doing something like this, and I can almost guarantee
you won't get out any other way.
Lee Taylor
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plane for Sale and Insurance |
Vans suggests safety wire or cotter pin, either with a dollop of jb weld
over the nut, as they are finding that in use, shoes are breaking off the
pin and freeing the nut. There has been at least one other accident and
they also found the problem on theit own airframes. I think safety wire
might be better as the ends could be formed away from the shoes.
Aloha,
Russ
>
> It appears that the nut backed off. The FAA went down to inspect and he
> said he couldn't find the cotter pin but did find the nut and bolt and
that
> it appeared they were in good shape. Since he couldn't find the pin I am
> not sure if it was left off at some point or if it broke off at some
point.
> I would suggest inspecting them and maybe replacing them.
>
> Ernest
>
>
> RE:
> > I recently had an incident in my HR II in which the nut and bolt
attahcing
> > the left rudder cable to the left rudder pedal came unattached just as I
> was
> > touching down
>
> Ernest,
>
> Can you supply some more details as to why the hardware failed? Vans has
a
> pseudo service bulletin out regarding the cotter pins and nuts holding the
> cables to the pedals. Did the nut back off?
>
> Aloha,
>
> Russ
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plane for Sale and Insurance |
There is also a nylon locking cotter nut available for about $3 ea. (-3).
Sorry I don't have the Marine-Coast Guard dash dot number but is in Spruce
catalog.
Russ Werner wrote:
>
> Vans suggests safety wire or cotter pin, either with a dollop of jb weld
> over the nut, as they are finding that in use, shoes are breaking off the
> pin and freeing the nut. There has been at least one other accident and
> they also found the problem on theit own airframes. I think safety wire
> might be better as the ends could be formed away from the shoes.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Russ
>
> >
> > It appears that the nut backed off. The FAA went down to inspect and he
> > said he couldn't find the cotter pin but did find the nut and bolt and
> that
> > it appeared they were in good shape. Since he couldn't find the pin I am
> > not sure if it was left off at some point or if it broke off at some
> point.
> > I would suggest inspecting them and maybe replacing them.
> >
> > Ernest
> >
> >
> > RE:
> > > I recently had an incident in my HR II in which the nut and bolt
> attahcing
> > > the left rudder cable to the left rudder pedal came unattached just as I
> > was
> > > touching down
> >
> > Ernest,
> >
> > Can you supply some more details as to why the hardware failed? Vans has
> a
> > pseudo service bulletin out regarding the cotter pins and nuts holding the
> > cables to the pedals. Did the nut back off?
> >
> > Aloha,
> >
> > Russ
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
"rv-list(at)matronics.com"
I'm about to correct a little engine sag. Just a hair less than 1/8"
after 300 hrs--or, conveniently just about the thickness of a large
engine mount washer. I have the hoist and lifting strap and have
ground/polished two bolts into "bullets".
Never having done this before, there are some questions:
1. can the washer be slipped in behind the bottom rear Lord mount
biscuit by just taking all the weight of the mounts (ie, just tightening
the hoist so that the engine weighs "0"?
2. does anything need to removed or loosened for safety or other reasons?
3. one of the rear bottom biscuits looks like it's collapsed approx.
1/16"--does this mean replacement or just further observation? What's
the expected life span of Lord mount biscuits exposed to aerobatic stresses?
4. For the Rocket folks, does everybody use Lord mount #J-9613-12?
Thanks to all in advance.
Boyd.
RV-Super6
IO-540
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| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
Boyd
I used the standard engine mounts from Vans' as per John Harmons
instructions. They do have heavier mounts available for those that pursue
more intense aerobatics. As for the washer you may have to loosen your top
mounts and then just lift the engine from the lift lugs until the bottom
bolts are loose. It should be no problem to push a washer behind the mount
and replace the bolt. Then you can retourque the top and bottom bolts
again. These engines are easier to get bolts into then the 360 series for
some reason.
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Boyd C.
Braem
Sent: July 9, 2001 12:49 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: Engine Sag
I'm about to correct a little engine sag. Just a hair less than 1/8"
after 300 hrs--or, conveniently just about the thickness of a large
engine mount washer. I have the hoist and lifting strap and have
ground/polished two bolts into "bullets".
Never having done this before, there are some questions:
1. can the washer be slipped in behind the bottom rear Lord mount
biscuit by just taking all the weight of the mounts (ie, just tightening
the hoist so that the engine weighs "0"?
2. does anything need to removed or loosened for safety or other reasons?
3. one of the rear bottom biscuits looks like it's collapsed approx.
1/16"--does this mean replacement or just further observation? What's
the expected life span of Lord mount biscuits exposed to aerobatic stresses?
4. For the Rocket folks, does everybody use Lord mount #J-9613-12?
Thanks to all in advance.
Boyd.
RV-Super6
IO-540
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| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plane for Sale and Insurance |
Ernst,
Sorry to hear about the damage to your ship. Hope you will get it back in
the air soon.
For everyone else, please see the Vans service bulletin at
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb96-12-1.pdf
If someone locates a part number for the Nyloc nut with cotter pin holes,
please pass it to the list.
Aloha, Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Hale" <ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Plane for Sale and Insurance
<ehale@Cheyenne-Enviro.com>
>
> It appears that the nut backed off. The FAA went down to inspect and he
> said he couldn't find the cotter pin but did find the nut and bolt and
that
> it appeared they were in good shape. Since he couldn't find the pin I am
> not sure if it was left off at some point or if it broke off at some
point.
> I would suggest inspecting them and maybe replacing them.
>
> Ernest
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Russ Werner
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 12:00 PM
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plane for Sale and Insurance
>
>
> RE:
> > I recently had an incident in my HR II in which the nut and bolt
attahcing
> > the left rudder cable to the left rudder pedal came unattached just as I
> was
> > touching down
>
> Ernest,
>
> Can you supply some more details as to why the hardware failed? Vans has
a
> pseudo service bulletin out regarding the cotter pins and nuts holding the
> cables to the pedals. Did the nut back off?
>
> Aloha,
>
> Russ
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Plane for Sale and Insurance |
THE ULTIMATE ANSWER
> There is also a nylon locking cotter nut available for about $3 ea.
> (-3).> Sorry I don't have the Marine-Coast Guard dash dot number but is
in
> Spruce> catalog.
>
TOM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: self-locking castle nuts |
These nuts are MS17825-___. Page 88 of the 2001 Aircraft$pruce catalog.
Boyd
Russ Werner wrote:
>
>
> Ernst,
>
> Sorry to hear about the damage to your ship. Hope you will get it back in
> the air soon.
>
> For everyone else, please see the Vans service bulletin at
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb96-12-1.pdf
>
> If someone locates a part number for the Nyloc nut with cotter pin holes,
> please pass it to the list.
>
> Aloha, Russ
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Luc Hermange" <lucskywalker(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plane for Sale and Insurance |
> If someone locates a part number for the Nyloc nut with cotter pin holes,
> please pass it to the list.
MS17825-_ Self Locking Castle Nuts
Available from Aircraft Spruce under Nuts: Castle
________________________________________________________________________________
BOYD-E-MAIL ME DIRECTY-TOM
Thomas M. Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
Post Office Box 426
249 Hard Hill Road North
Bethlehem, CT 06751
PH 203-266-5300
FAX 203-266-5140
e-mail wfact01(at)aol.com
EAA Chapter 1097, President
RV-8 IO-540 LYC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lee" <leetay(at)idcomm.com> |
| Subject: | rudder pedal bolts/nuts |
Re Ernst's accident with his Rocket when the rudder pedal-to-cable nut/bolt
came loose. Apparently this is not the first accident of this type with the
RV-4/Rocket types. Van has issued a service bulletin regarding the problem,
(see Russ's reference today to the service bulletin). Van recommends using
the largest cotter pin possible in the bolt, or even better, safety-wiring
the nut with .040 safety wire, then covering the entire nut/cotter pin with
JB Weld. There is a problem with clearance that requires the nut to be
installed towards the pilot's shoe side of the pedal, (info from Russ) so
the problem of the possibility of the pilot's shoe causing eventual breakage
of the cotter pin will continue.
In addition to the JB Weld, I would like to suggest that before the JB
Weld
is applied, and before the nut/cotter pin or safety wire installation is
completed, that a drop of Red Locktite be applied to the nut also, work the
nut a little to work the Locktite thoroughly into the threads, apply the
cotter key/safety wire, then after the Locktite dries, apply the JB Weld.
(If you already have installed the nut and cotter key, but not the JB Weld,
just apply the Locktite drop, it will penetrate.) The JB Weld should protect
the cotter pin/safety wire, and the Locktite will just about take care of
any potential loosening problem of the nut, even if the cotter pin were to
break out. Short-term continuous inspections of this area are obviously
mandated.
I have a hard time imagining anything too much more critical than losing
a
rudder cable on one of these birds.
Lee Taylor
P.S. Red Locktite is available cheaply at any auto store. It is a chemical
bonding agent specifically designed to penetrate and "glue" threaded items.
It is quite strong, (considered to be a "permanent" type of thread locker,
rather than often removable), but it won't damage the threads, or be really
difficult to break loose if the bolt ever has to be removed. It works very
well in this type of situation.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Plane for Sale and Insurance |
MS17826-# is the low profile Castellated Nylon insert nut.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plane for Sale and Insurance
Ernst,
Sorry to hear about the damage to your ship. Hope you will get it back in
the air soon.
For everyone else, please see the Vans service bulletin at
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb96-12-1.pdf
If someone locates a part number for the Nyloc nut with cotter pin holes,
please pass it to the list.
Aloha, Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Hale" <ehale@cheyenne-enviro.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Plane for Sale and Insurance
<ehale@Cheyenne-Enviro.com>
>
> It appears that the nut backed off. The FAA went down to inspect and he
> said he couldn't find the cotter pin but did find the nut and bolt and
that
> it appeared they were in good shape. Since he couldn't find the pin I am
> not sure if it was left off at some point or if it broke off at some
point.
> I would suggest inspecting them and maybe replacing them.
>
> Ernest
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Russ Werner
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 12:00 PM
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Plane for Sale and Insurance
>
>
> RE:
> > I recently had an incident in my HR II in which the nut and bolt
attahcing
> > the left rudder cable to the left rudder pedal came unattached just as I
> was
> > touching down
>
> Ernest,
>
> Can you supply some more details as to why the hardware failed? Vans has
a
> pseudo service bulletin out regarding the cotter pins and nuts holding the
> cables to the pedals. Did the nut back off?
>
> Aloha,
>
> Russ
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
I got an email from Martha at Sky Dynamics saying there will be a
production run of their 6-1 collector Rocket exhausts (parallel valve
IO-540s with bottom mounted injector body) in the near future.
I'm waiting on confirmation of the price and general time frame.
If enough people are interested, maybe we can collectively bargain a
sweet price. Contact me if your interested and I'll start a list of
names and then contact Sky D. for a little bargainng.
Boyd.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
HI Fellas:
Bruce Bohanon has one of these systems on the Flyin' Tiger -- sure sounded
nice! But, the proof is in the numbers, and at last I talked to Bruce, there
wasn't a real gain. The system did produce about 30 more HP on the dyno, but
didn't seem to work on the ship for one reason or another. Keep in mind,
Bruce & co. are looking for tenths of a second!
Could be the system helps HP, but not torque -- pure speculation!
His original system was a 6 pipe, modeled after the std 4 pipe system we are
used to seeing on many RV's. Now that system had an odd sound -- much like a
V-12.
It may be that the 6-1 pipe works better down low (higher power settings &
exhaust stream velocities), and simply doesn't help at the higher altitudes
(lower power settings & velocities). I didn't see the comparison power graph,
so I can't say. I'll try to pry some of this info out of Bruce at OSH next
week, if you can wait that long!
Cheers
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bryan E. Files" <bfiles(at)gci.net> |
| Subject: | Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
-----Original Message-----
"Could be the system helps HP, but not torque -- pure speculation!"
I would think that if you raise the HP at the same RPM the torque should be
increased also.
Bryan
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Mlfred(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 3:09 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run
HI Fellas:
Bruce Bohanon has one of these systems on the Flyin' Tiger -- sure sounded
nice! But, the proof is in the numbers, and at last I talked to Bruce, there
wasn't a real gain. The system did produce about 30 more HP on the dyno, but
didn't seem to work on the ship for one reason or another. Keep in mind,
Bruce & co. are looking for tenths of a second!
Could be the system helps HP, but not torque -- pure speculation!
His original system was a 6 pipe, modeled after the std 4 pipe system we are
used to seeing on many RV's. Now that system had an odd sound -- much like a
V-12.
It may be that the 6-1 pipe works better down low (higher power settings &
exhaust stream velocities), and simply doesn't help at the higher altitudes
(lower power settings & velocities). I didn't see the comparison power
graph,
so I can't say. I'll try to pry some of this info out of Bruce at OSH next
week, if you can wait that long!
Cheers
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
Maybe it's the extra weight?
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
"Bryan E. Files"
-----Original Message-----
> "Could be the system helps HP, but not torque -- pure speculation!"
> > I would think that if you raise the HP at the same RPM the torque
> should be> increased also.> Bryan
If the torque is increase at any given rpm the hp is also increased:
RPM X TORQUE DIVIDED BY 5252 = HP
HP X 5252 DIVIDED BY RPM = TQ
HP X 5252 DIVIDED BY TORQUE = RPM
Happy flying guys,
Tom Jones
Las Vegas, Chevy V6 powered RV6A
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| From: | "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
| Subject: | RV8 Fire Extinguisher Placement |
I saw some really nice RV8's at Arlington yesterday but several with
their fire extinguishers in bad positions. It seems that no one wants to
mount the bulky thing in the front office, the ones I'm talking about
have it mounted between the passengers feet. I don't see how a pilot
flying solo could get at the fire extinguisher if it is mounted there.
This list has already lost a friend with this type of set-up. It appears
that he had a fire, undid his seat belt, opened his canopy, and
attempted to get his fire extinguisher. That is pure speculation but he
was not in the aircraft when it impacted the earth.
So RV8/RV4 and Rocket guys and gals, ya need to figure out a better
plan. You shouldn't be passing your final inspections if you can't reach
the fire extinguisher, after all, it is required flight equipment. I
think RV8's should have two mounting brackets/positions for the fire
extinguisher. Could it be mounted in the left footwell during solo
flights then moved to the other position for dual flights? Would the
pilot be able to get at it if it was at the spot of the passengers left
foot? If you can't reach your fire extinguisher when you are buckled in
then you need to do some thing different. Consider separate positions
for solo and dual.
The other option is to get one or two of the super small 1.4 lbs Halon
extinguishers. These are so small and light that you will have more
options available for mounting positions. They will fit up front some
where. These are available at all the local auto speed shops. Remember,
with Halon if you fill the cockpit with this gas you will need to vent
immediately for your next breath of air.
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
| Subject: | RV8 Fire Extinguisher Placement |
My fire extinguisher is mounted on the upper right sidewall under the roll
bar mount. Either the passenger or pilot can reach it and it is easily
accessable on the ground. My first mounting location was between my feet but
I could not reach it in flight without undoing my harness. Really tall
passengers have some knee interfernce with the extinguisher but those guys
are used to not fitting into normal places. All they have to do is build or
buy a rocket so they can sit in the front :-)
Tom Martin
I saw some really nice RV8's at Arlington yesterday but several with
their fire extinguishers in bad positions. It seems that no one wants to
mount the bulky thing in the front office, the ones I'm talking about
have it mounted between the passengers feet. I don't see how a pilot
flying solo could get at the fire extinguisher if it is mounted there.
This list has already lost a friend with this type of set-up. It appears
that he had a fire, undid his seat belt, opened his canopy, and
attempted to get his fire extinguisher. That is pure speculation but he
was not in the aircraft when it impacted the earth.
So RV8/RV4 and Rocket guys and gals, ya need to figure out a better
plan. You shouldn't be passing your final inspections if you can't reach
the fire extinguisher, after all, it is required flight equipment. I
think RV8's should have two mounting brackets/positions for the fire
extinguisher. Could it be mounted in the left footwell during solo
flights then moved to the other position for dual flights? Would the
pilot be able to get at it if it was at the spot of the passengers left
foot? If you can't reach your fire extinguisher when you are buckled in
then you need to do some thing different. Consider separate positions
for solo and dual.
The other option is to get one or two of the super small 1.4 lbs Halon
extinguishers. These are so small and light that you will have more
options available for mounting positions. They will fit up front some
where. These are available at all the local auto speed shops. Remember,
with Halon if you fill the cockpit with this gas you will need to vent
immediately for your next breath of air.
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV8 Fire Extinguisher Placement |
The fear of fire is a MAJOR concern or should be for all aviators. I have
the privilege to be associated with CodeRed aviation fire suppression systems
and highly recommend them to all. I have a system installed in my Rocket with
2 nozzles in the engine compartment from half the tank and 1 in the cockpit
from the other half of the tank. The liquid is aqueous film forming foam. The
system was developed by and used extensively by the F-1, IRR, etc., race
teams and is echelons over any system I have seen anywhere. Self contained
electrical pilot select initiation, nontoxic, electronics friendly, and
residual foam is eons above a gas that can incapacitate the user. Web site is
www.coderedfss.com and Tom or I will be most happy to talk with you. If you
call, tell Tom, Tom sent you.(haw)You'll get a lot out of the video on the
website. I am the clown that got to light the fire, and Tom S. is the poor
guy in the cockpit. (dumb, huh) Notice the fire burns for 60 seconds and the
fire is OUT in 2, then the nozzles continue to spray for 42 seconds. There is
a full line including hand helds. Look for them in Lancairs, etc., at Reno.
STAY SAFE!!!! TT in Indy
________________________________________________________________________________
This from Tom on our local RV newsletter and am passing it along to all of
you. I can't recommend it highly enough. Luv, TT in Indy(hr69gt@aol).....I
just read the crash story from Houston, Mr. Young is sure a lucky man, I too
survived a crash with no fire and swore I would have some type of protection
next time. I found and am marketing a new and great system currently used in
the racing series (F-1) Europe, nontoxic agent (AFA), flop tube for inverted
entrapment, independent of elec. system, custom wired harness, plug and go,
covered toggle switches, also will give a free canopy break tool with next 25
kits sold. Lancair is installing in their new line of planes and we will be
at Reno to promote. Actual fire test by me in cockpit has been done and the
system works great, Web Site is coderedfss.com Have installed in a Harmon
Rocket and various other aircraft, also have a new heat-sensitive switch soon
Thanks all fly safe Tom codered(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Van Riper, James" <james.van.riper(at)sapmarkets.com> |
| Subject: | RV8 Fire Extinguisher Placement |
Just in case you think this can never happen to me.
I just wanted to share that a good friend of mine died in a fire / Crash in
Cincinnati. I sure wish they had a system like this in their plane.
Crash picture attached for motivation.
http://enquirer.com/editions/1997/04/11/loc_crash.html
Mostly lurking
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: HR69GT(at)aol.com [mailto:HR69GT(at)aol.com]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RV8 Fire Extinguisher Placement
The fear of fire is a MAJOR concern or should be for all aviators. I
have
the privilege to be associated with CodeRed aviation fire suppression
systems
and highly recommend them to all. I have a system installed in my Rocket
with
2 nozzles in the engine compartment from half the tank and 1 in the cockpit
from the other half of the tank. The liquid is aqueous film forming foam.
The
system was developed by and used extensively by the F-1, IRR, etc., race
teams and is echelons over any system I have seen anywhere. Self contained
electrical pilot select initiation, nontoxic, electronics friendly, and
residual foam is eons above a gas that can incapacitate the user. Web site
is
www.coderedfss.com and Tom or I will be most happy to talk with you. If you
call, tell Tom, Tom sent you.(haw)You'll get a lot out of the video on the
website. I am the clown that got to light the fire, and Tom S. is the poor
guy in the cockpit. (dumb, huh) Notice the fire burns for 60 seconds and the
fire is OUT in 2, then the nozzles continue to spray for 42 seconds. There
is
a full line including hand helds. Look for them in Lancairs, etc., at Reno.
STAY SAFE!!!! TT in Indy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Instrument Holes |
In a message dated 7/18/2001 3:15:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
nhunger(at)sprint.ca writes:
<< For those that used a fly cutter to do your instrument holes:
Did you cut a little smaller then file up to size?
No -- the cutter will do the exact size if set right.
How much bigger do you have to go for primer/paint?
about 1/16" in diameter -- seems the specs are in ther ACS catalog?
Are you happy with the look (would you do it this way again)?
>>
Well, I sure like to be able to hold up my hand and order 5 beers! (wood shop
teacher joke -- missing fingers...)
It worked out OK. The punches are easier & quieter, if you can borrow a set.
Cheers
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sherman Butler <sbutler(at)ionet.net> |
| Subject: | HalonFire Extinguishers |
The only effect that breathing Halon is that some people have cardiac
sensitivity. Only if one has a tendency to have cardiac irregularity will
breathing halon will produce these effects. I have not looked at he MSDS
sheets for FE-36 or Fm200 extinguishing agents. Carbon dioxide can
axphiate (sp) if in an enclosed area. And dry chemical makes quite a mess
if it is accidently discharged
The water based AFFF agent sounds interesting if it does not freeze.
L. Sherman Butler
Broomfield, CO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
Talked further with the folks at Sky Dynamics (Kevin) and someone who
has talked with Bruce Bohannon, recently. The 6-1 collector pipes are
still on Bruce's plane and they are planning on trying twin turbos for
boost. At high altitudes, FL 30 and above the, the 6-pipe system
seemed to be more efficient (in this rarefied atmosphere his engine is
only putting out about 60-70 HP), but the 6-1 got them up to altitude
quicker. The collector exhaust is parallel to the fuselage to take
advantage of any exhaust thrust. This position caused paint blistering
on Rob Mokry's Rocket but not on Bruce's plane???
Unfortunately, the cost of SD 6-1 is $1,710.00. But, with my LyCon
engine @325 HP, a conservative estimate is that I'll see a gain of 15-18
HP, maybe a little more. Plus, by connecting the breather tube to the
collector, the pressure inside the engine will be reduced, making the
piston rings more efficient and deceasing any blow-by or pressure on the
bearing seals, also keeping the belly cleaner.
You can check this internal engine pressure, yourself (and it's a good
check on internal engine health when doing the compression check).
Place a clear oil line down the oil filler tube and securely seal it
with tape. Make a "U" in the line and partially fill it with engine
oil. When you start the engine, the far side of the "U" will have oil
displaced about 1/2 - 3/4" inch or so. Document this distance. If you
check it at later times and the oil diplacement is less, then your
getting ring blow-by or leakage thru the bearing seals.
Patty Wagstaff, Sean Tucker, Bruce Bohannon and the Northern Lights use
the SD 6-1. I have no affiliation with the company, I'm just trying to
see if I can get a cheaper price on the exhaust system.
Boyd.
RV-Super 6/IO-540
Venice, FL
Mlfred(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> HI Fellas:
>
> Bruce Bohanon has one of these systems on the Flyin' Tiger -- sure sounded
> nice! But, the proof is in the numbers, and at last I talked to Bruce, there
> wasn't a real gain. The system did produce about 30 more HP on the dyno, but
> didn't seem to work on the ship for one reason or another. Keep in mind,
> Bruce & co. are looking for tenths of a second!
>
> Could be the system helps HP, but not torque -- pure speculation!
>
> His original system was a 6 pipe, modeled after the std 4 pipe system we are
> used to seeing on many RV's. Now that system had an odd sound -- much like a
> V-12.
>
> It may be that the 6-1 pipe works better down low (higher power settings &
> exhaust stream velocities), and simply doesn't help at the higher altitudes
> (lower power settings & velocities). I didn't see the comparison power graph,
> so I can't say. I'll try to pry some of this info out of Bruce at OSH next
> week, if you can wait that long!
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
In a message dated 7/19/2001 9:35:41 AM Central Daylight Time,
bcbraem(at)home.com writes:
> Patty Wagstaff, Sean Tucker, Bruce Bohannon and the Northern Lights use
> the SD 6-1. I have no affiliation with the company, I'm just trying to
>
Boyd, the only problem i see is that this works great on super high powered
engines. Bruces and seans are both over 450 hp. If you can show that it
produces extra usuable power on a rocket, i will be interested, but i for
one will never be flying my rocket at 30,000 feet. lol.
chris wilcox
f1 rocket builder
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: HalonFire Extinguishers |
The film forming foam is good to 30 below, and has a flop tube for
inverted use. In the video on the website (www.CodeRedfss.com) the activation
you see with the cockpit nozzle is a little close to Tom for maximum use of
the spray pattern but was done to show the pressure etc. Tom wore the
saturated clothes for a couple of hours until almost dry with no ill effects.
I have the nozzle in my cockpit not permanently fastened down so I have the
option of directing the spray to the firewall, myself or where it is needed.
I choose when to fire the engine compartment nozzles or cabin nozzle at my
discretion giving myself priority and options. Luv, TT in
Indy....CodeRed-don't leave home without it!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SixShooters1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
Boyd,
I have the same concerns as Chris. Everything seems all positive, except that
the other folks using this system have fire breething dragons for engines. I
would personally like to know what the performance would be in the 5000 to
12,000 foot range for a normal engine, say 260 thru 330 ponies. I know that
you will be conducting more info searching innitiatives, please keep us
informed. I am also interested in it as well.
Scott
F-1 Rocket
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
What I was trying to convey was just the opposite: at low altitudes the
6-1 collector appears to be more efficient and 6-pipe works better up
high. The test bed engine they use at Sky Dynamics is a stock -540 with
less HP than probably most of the Rocket builders will have. They are
trying to work with real world numbers and to work with the Air Show
folks, at the same time.
Rob Mokry (robmokry(at)pacbell.net) is the only Rocket that I know of that
some hours on this system--you might want to drop him an email.
What type of exhaust have people been planning on using? I'm currently
running R/L 3-1 stacks with no cross over. Has a good sound--people
can tell when I start the engine.
Does anyone have their breather tube outlet plumbed into an exhaust
pipe, to get burned/vaporized? Does it work?
Boyd.
CW9371(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 7/19/2001 9:35:41 AM Central Daylight Time,
> bcbraem(at)home.com writes:
>
> > Patty Wagstaff, Sean Tucker, Bruce Bohannon and the Northern Lights use
> > the SD 6-1. I have no affiliation with the company, I'm just trying to
> >
>
> Boyd, the only problem i see is that this works great on super high powered
> engines. Bruces and seans are both over 450 hp. If you can show that it
> produces extra usuable power on a rocket, i will be interested, but i for
> one will never be flying my rocket at 30,000 feet. lol.
>
> chris wilcox
> f1 rocket builder
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
| Subject: | Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
Does anyone have their breather tube outlet plumbed into an exhaust
pipe, to get burned/vaporized? Does it work?
Boyd
On my Rv4 I had a system where the oil breather dumped into the exhuast
pipe. A tube was welded into the exhaust. It had an angle cut on the end
that supposedly created a slight vaccum. Plumed in the system was a one way
relief vavle off some import car to keep the flow going the right way. At
the time Larry Vetterman reccomended it and it worked very well, in that the
belly was clean and there were no drips on the floor.
On my first rocket I did not use this system as larry no longer reccomended
it, some guys were having some problems. I am not sure what the problems
were. On this plane the belly was clean but there were one or two drips on
the floor. The fellow that bought the plane installed a oil separator and he
has no drips now.
On this rocket i do not have any system other than the breather tube
dumping our between the pipes. The belly is clean and there are no drips on
the floor. Each engine is different. I do know that Rob Mokry had some
cowling heat problems that he attributed to the six into one pipe.
Tom Martin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Archie" <archie97(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
>
>
> Does anyone have their breather tube outlet plumbed into an exhaust
> pipe, to get burned/vaporized? Does it work?
>
> Boyd
> On my Rv4 I had a system where the oil breather dumped into the
exhuast
> pipe. A tube was welded into the exhaust. It had an angle cut on the end
> that supposedly created a slight vaccum. Plumed in the system was a one
way
> relief vavle off some import car to keep the flow going the right way. At
> the time Larry Vetterman reccomended it and it worked very well, in that
the
> belly was clean and there were no drips on the floor.
> On my first rocket I did not use this system as larry no longer
reccomended
> it, some guys were having some problems. I am not sure what the problems
> were. On this plane the belly was clean but there were one or two drips
on
> the floor. The fellow that bought the plane installed a oil separator and
he
> has no drips now.
> On this rocket i do not have any system other than the breather
tube
> dumping our between the pipes. The belly is clean and there are no drips
on
> the floor. Each engine is different. I do know that Rob Mokry had some
> cowling heat problems that he attributed to the six into one pipe.
>
> Tom Martin
Gentlemen;
This is common practice in race cars to increase vacuum in the
crankcase below the rings. The valve is merely a GM smog check
valve. I made a cad drawing of the basic setup, and can post it
here if interested.
Archie
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
Thread-Topic: Rocket-List: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run
Thread-Index: AcEQlwYHEUCw5+giR0e8IoCrg8rPwAAAGXpw
| From: | "Bob Japundza" <Bob.Japundza(at)realmed.com> |
Would a smoke system work better in a 6-1 system than two 3-1 pipes?
I've been contemplating a smoke system in my next project and have
noticed that most 6-cyl Extras that put out lots of smoke have collector
exhausts. Heat seems to be a good thing in this case. Boyd, what kind
of warranty does sky dynamics offer with their exhausts? It'd better be
a good one for pipes that cost that much, relatively speaking.
Bob Japundza
RV-6 N244BJ O-360C/S flying
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
Archie--
That's what I'm trying to get at--if you reduce the internal engine
pressure with a slight vacuum from the sump/breather, you make the
piston rings more efficient and reduce ring blow-by and bearing seal
leakage. This simple ting boosts the performance of your engine and
decreases stress/wear on these parts.
Boyd.
Archie wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have their breather tube outlet plumbed into an exhaust
> > pipe, to get burned/vaporized? Does it work?
> >
> > Boyd
> > On my Rv4 I had a system where the oil breather dumped into the
> exhuast
> > pipe. A tube was welded into the exhaust. It had an angle cut on the end
> > that supposedly created a slight vaccum. Plumed in the system was a one
> way
> > relief vavle off some import car to keep the flow going the right way. At
> > the time Larry Vetterman reccomended it and it worked very well, in that
> the
> > belly was clean and there were no drips on the floor.
>snip< Gentlemen;
> This is common practice in race cars to increase vacuum in the
> crankcase below the rings. The valve is merely a GM smog check
> valve. I made a cad drawing of the basic setup, and can post it
> here if interested.
>
> Archie
> s
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
Oil breather works well - although the mill spec rubber hose (connection from
breather) is beginning to crack from the heat and may need watched/replaced. I
have not run another exhaust to make a comparision to but it sure sounds great.
The fit and finish are impecable. I returned the collector for a 20 degree turn
down as my belly was blistering. Request complete and will be installed this
week.
"Boyd C. Braem" wrote:
>
> What I was trying to convey was just the opposite: at low altitudes the
> 6-1 collector appears to be more efficient and 6-pipe works better up
> high. The test bed engine they use at Sky Dynamics is a stock -540 with
> less HP than probably most of the Rocket builders will have. They are
> trying to work with real world numbers and to work with the Air Show
> folks, at the same time.
>
> Rob Mokry (robmokry(at)pacbell.net) is the only Rocket that I know of that
> some hours on this system--you might want to drop him an email.
>
> What type of exhaust have people been planning on using? I'm currently
> running R/L 3-1 stacks with no cross over. Has a good sound--people
> can tell when I start the engine.
>
> Does anyone have their breather tube outlet plumbed into an exhaust
> pipe, to get burned/vaporized? Does it work?
>
> Boyd.
>
> CW9371(at)aol.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/19/2001 9:35:41 AM Central Daylight Time,
> > bcbraem(at)home.com writes:
> >
> > > Patty Wagstaff, Sean Tucker, Bruce Bohannon and the Northern Lights use
> > > the SD 6-1. I have no affiliation with the company, I'm just trying to
> > >
> >
> > Boyd, the only problem i see is that this works great on super high powered
> > engines. Bruces and seans are both over 450 hp. If you can show that it
> > produces extra usuable power on a rocket, i will be interested, but i for
> > one will never be flying my rocket at 30,000 feet. lol.
> >
> > chris wilcox
> > f1 rocket builder
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Archie" <archie97(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
>
> Archie--
>
> That's what I'm trying to get at--if you reduce the internal engine
> pressure with a slight vacuum from the sump/breather, you make the
> piston rings more efficient and reduce ring blow-by and bearing seal
> leakage. This simple ting boosts the performance of your engine and
> decreases stress/wear on these parts.
>
> Boyd.
I was not planning to elaborate on this area, but you are right.
Our Nascar, and pro- drag engines also run four stages of
suction on the dry sump pumps to insure negative pressure.
On some engines we install the lip seals backwards and allow
external atmospheric pressure to create the sealing effect.
Archie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
Kevin @ Skydynamics stated the Oilbreather fitting draws 2"MP.
Archie wrote:
>
> >
> > Archie--
> >
> > That's what I'm trying to get at--if you reduce the internal engine
> > pressure with a slight vacuum from the sump/breather, you make the
> > piston rings more efficient and reduce ring blow-by and bearing seal
> > leakage. This simple ting boosts the performance of your engine and
> > decreases stress/wear on these parts.
> >
> > Boyd.
> I was not planning to elaborate on this area, but you are right.
> Our Nascar, and pro- drag engines also run four stages of
> suction on the dry sump pumps to insure negative pressure.
> On some engines we install the lip seals backwards and allow
> external atmospheric pressure to create the sealing effect.
> Archie
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
Their warranty for experimental aircraft is a replacement policy, not to
exceed the original invoice. Their web site doesn't put a time limit on
this, but I'll inquire further when I talk to the owner, next week.
Bob Japundza wrote:
>
>
> Boyd, what kind
> of warranty does sky dynamics offer with their exhausts? It'd better be
> a good one for pipes that cost that much, relatively speaking.
>
> Bob Japundza
> RV-6 N244BJ O-360C/S flying
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DLinn30012(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: IO-540 Super6 Info |
Hi Boyd,
What is a Vetterman VG?
thanks, Dennis Linnekin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | SixShooters1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Lord or Barry Engine mounts |
Listers,
I am hanging the engine on my Rocket and am wondering two things:
1) what the part numbers for the Lord and Barry Engine Mounts are and 2)
where is the best place to purchase these.
Thanks,
Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Lord or Barry Engine mounts |
SCOTT-CALL LORD MOUNTS AT 1-800-458-0456-TALK TO PAUL -EX6611-OR DAN-EX6497
AND GET THE RIGHT MOUNTS FOR WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE DOING-REGARDS TOM THEY
MIGHT BE AT OSH
Thomas M. Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
Post Office Box 426
249 Hard Hill Road North
Bethlehem, CT 06751
PH 203-266-5300
FAX 203-266-5140
e-mail wfact01(at)aol.com
EAA Chapter 1097, President
RV-8 IO-540 LYC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lord or Barry Engine mounts |
Scott--
Since I just replaced my Barry mounts with Lord mounts, 2 days ago, I
have recently researched this question.
When the Super 6 was built in early '98, the Barry folks recommended p/n
94016-02 (Maule M-6-235) as an aerobatic mount. Currently, John Harmon
recommends the Mooney M20F mount, Lord #J-9613-12, Barry #94011-02.
These can be ordered for AC$pruce. Lord has come out with a new set of
mounts, #J-7764-31, that are supposed to handle side loading better.
The Northern Lights team uses these mounts. http://www.lordcorp.com
My Barry mounts were deforming after 3 yrs/313 hrs. and the engine sag
was about an 1/8", just enough for the alternator pulley to start
kissing the inside bottom cowl.
Boyd Braem
RV-Super 6/IO-540
SixShooters1(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Listers,
>
> I am hanging the engine on my Rocket and am wondering two things:
>
> 1) what the part numbers for the Lord and Barry Engine Mounts are and 2)
> where is the best place to purchase these.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Lord or Barry Engine mounts |
Hi Tom Whelan. How's about sharing some numbers with all of us on your
Super-8 as did Boyd on his-6. What all mods you have, performance, fuel cons.
at what settings, and SPEED! Thanks, TT in Indy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Carter" <ronc(at)metropolis.slc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
Dosent running any suction on the case cause an increase in oil loss when
the breather does get oil in it?
Ron Carter
----- Original Message -----
From: Archie <archie97(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run
>
>
> >
> > Archie--
> >
> > That's what I'm trying to get at--if you reduce the internal engine
> > pressure with a slight vacuum from the sump/breather, you make the
> > piston rings more efficient and reduce ring blow-by and bearing seal
> > leakage. This simple ting boosts the performance of your engine and
> > decreases stress/wear on these parts.
> >
> > Boyd.
> I was not planning to elaborate on this area, but you are right.
> Our Nascar, and pro- drag engines also run four stages of
> suction on the dry sump pumps to insure negative pressure.
> On some engines we install the lip seals backwards and allow
> external atmospheric pressure to create the sealing effect.
> Archie
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
From what I can tell, the suction is not enough to scavange any more oil
than would normally get to the breather port. Tho, it is enough that
many people with smoke systems find enhaced smoke dispersion by going
into an exhaust tube. My system has the connection going from the
air/oil separator drain of the inverted oil system to the exhaust, so I
have an "added layer" of spill over protection. However, I talked to a
couple of -6A drivers at SunNFun, this year, who have the exhaust
connection straight from the breather tube and they report no increase
in oil consumption and a very clean belly. But they don't do aerobatics
except for the ocassional aileron roll. My oil consumption did not
change after the hook-up--I get a consistent 8 hrs/qt. in cruise and 6
hrs/qt when I'm yankin' and bankin' and pulling/pushing the throttle in
and out. If I do series of straight aerobatic sessions (with inverted
flight), that drops to 4-5hrs/qt.
My goal is to hook up a calibrated manometer to the sump thru the oil
filler tube and accurately measure the changes during a static
run-up--if I can find a big enough tree at the airport;) and if I don't
vibrate my empennage off. I'll be posting those numbers when I get
them, unless some one else has already done it???
Boyd.
RV-Super 6/IO-540/325 hp
Ron Carter wrote:
>
>
> Dosent running any suction on the case cause an increase in oil loss when
> the breather does get oil in it?
>
> Ron Carter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Archie <archie97(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Archie--
> > >
> > > That's what I'm trying to get at--if you reduce the internal engine
> > > pressure with a slight vacuum from the sump/breather, you make the
> > > piston rings more efficient and reduce ring blow-by and bearing seal
> > > leakage. This simple ting boosts the performance of your engine and
> > > decreases stress/wear on these parts.
> > >
> > > Boyd.
> > I was not planning to elaborate on this area, but you are right.
> > Our Nascar, and pro- drag engines also run four stages of
> > suction on the dry sump pumps to insure negative pressure.
> > On some engines we install the lip seals backwards and allow
> > external atmospheric pressure to create the sealing effect.
> > Archie
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Lord or Barry Engine mounts |
BOYD-THAT COULD BE-KEEP IT QUIET-TOM
Thomas M. Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
Post Office Box 426
249 Hard Hill Road North
Bethlehem, CT 06751
PH 203-266-5300
FAX 203-266-5140
e-mail wfact01(at)aol.com
EAA Chapter 1097, President
RV-8 IO-540 LYC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Archie" <archie97(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky Dynamics 6-1 collector production run |
> Dosent running any suction on the case cause an increase in oil loss when
> the breather does get oil in it?
>
> Ron Carter
It may on worn rings/cylinders.
Keep in mind, that to make the cylinders more efficient, we do not
use "model T" type square cut cast iron rings with gaps you can drive
a truck through, as most manufacturers require. (oops, FAA may be watching)
With good cylinder sealing, the differential of compression above, and
vacuum below, improves sealing with no penalty.
Look for a magazine article I will write within the next year, revealing how
to build an aircraft engine that will go 41hrs on 1 1/2 qts. consumption,
and the oil looks like new. This is not rocket science, just common sense.
Archie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sherman Butler <sbutler(at)ionet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine article |
Archie
Please let us know in what magazine and when.
>
>
> > Dosent running any suction on the case cause an increase in oil loss when
> > the breather does get oil in it?
> >
> > Ron Carter
>
>It may on worn rings/cylinders.
>Keep in mind, that to make the cylinders more efficient, we do not
>use "model T" type square cut cast iron rings with gaps you can drive
>a truck through, as most manufacturers require. (oops, FAA may be watching)
>With good cylinder sealing, the differential of compression above, and
>vacuum below, improves sealing with no penalty.
>Look for a magazine article I will write within the next year, revealing how
>to build an aircraft engine that will go 41hrs on 1 1/2 qts. consumption,
>and the oil looks like new. This is not rocket science, just common sense.
>Archie
>
>
L. Sherman Butler
Broomfield, CO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Archie" <archie97(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine article |
>
> Archie
>
> Please let us know in what magazine and when.
Two are interested.
Will be ready when both engines have around 700hrs.
And yes, will post it here, along with any questions to be
answered.
Archie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | how to add construction time to project |
On my first attempt to start the engine, we found an oil leak. It was
determined that the plug which holds the idler gear for the prop governor
was not correct. So the bad part was removed and the correct part ordered
(be careful with used engines, who knows what parts have been used). While
I was getting the correct part, my building partner reached in and removed
the shaft (Curiosity killed the cat). Now I have a metal key and gear loose
inside the engine case. Best hope is that we will be able to get the parts
by taking off just the closest cylinder but I really think the engine will
have to be removed and completely taken apart.
You all have a good day. I AM NOT HAVING ONE.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: how to add construction time to project |
In a message dated 7/24/01 12:52:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
t.gummo(at)verizon.net writes:
> You all have a good day. I AM NOT HAVING ONE.
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
>
>
>
We can fell your pain........
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: how to add construction time to project |
In a message dated 7/24/01 3:18:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com writes:
>
> In a message dated 7/24/01 12:52:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> t.gummo(at)verizon.net writes:
>
>
> > You all have a good day. I AM NOT HAVING ONE.
> >
> > Tom Gummo
> > Apple Valley, CA
> >
> >
> >
>
> We can fell your pain........
>
>
>
Well I screwed that one up.....Lets try this one more time
We can feel your pain........
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: how to add construction time to project |
Don't forget to tighten your alternator bracket bolts also
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fouga434(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: how to add construction time to project |
REACH IN WITH A MAGNET ON A STRING OR FLEX SHAFT
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | F1 Kit 000 for sale |
Due to a debt i was owed that will never be repaid due to a bankrupcy I have
to sell my F1 rocket kit.
My kit includes
RV 8 tail completed
F1 wings completed
F1 finish kit
F1 fuselage 65-70% complete
Vetterman 3-1 exhust
elt, throttle, aeroflash strobes, heated static pitot tube and mount
alternaor team rocket sells for the IO-540 engine.
no tools are included as I plan to buy a new kit next fall and start over.
THis kis is high quality as 90% of the work on it was done by team rocket as
it was to be there demo aircraft.
please contact me if your interested
chris wilcox
oshkosh , wi
(920) 235-1082 business
(920) 858-7561 cell
cw9371(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DLinn30012(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: IO-540 Super6 Info |
Hi Boyd,
Thanks for the Vetterman VG explanation...yeh, we have his cross-over on our
RV-4 and love it...
thanks,
Dennis
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: how to add construction time to project |
This is a very long post, but it just may save someone weeks of time & lots
of money and a coupla nights sleep.
All's well that ends well. I'm the "cat" that Tom refered to in the original
post. Since this building of an airplane was new to me three years ago I had
a lot to learn. Boy !!! have I learned a lot up to and including the
latest item. The improper plug refered to is on the very front of the
engine, on the right side of the case in behind the starter ring. It was not
only not correct it was wrong in so many ways. It was not the same size, a
spark plug washer fits perfectly over the threads, as a matter of fact
whoever (not me, must been some other buddy) had to put on/in had to use two
spark plug washers to keep it from bottoming out. The correct plug threads
are too large for a spark plug washer to fit over the threads. The correct
plug has a smaller head with a build in flange for a fiber gasket and
drilled to safety wiring. Threads per inch were correct but the plug would
"wobble" and was put in just a bit tighter than finger tight. With the
"plug" removed the end of the shaft was now visable in the hole. It appeared
to be internally threaded. Since I had not put this section together I had
no idea what was inside. I put my finger into the hole, down boys, and when
I pulled back the shaft came out too. As soon as I saw the key in the keyway
I stopped and slowly pushed the shaft back in, but I was now able turn the
shaft side to side something I was not able to do before. With my super CFI,
A&P looking over my shoulder I explained what happened. His little finger
was too big to fit into the hole in the shaft so I backed it out to show him
what I had done. Well this time the key was no longer in the key way. BIG
problem. Went to the exploded view in the engine parts book to "see" what
was inside the Lyc. IO540J type engine. Side note: if you don't have a
"parts" book for your engine GO GET ONE, it's so much better than the
overhaul manuel (we have one of these too) for seeing what happening and how
it happens. Talked to lots of knowable people about what to do next. Advised
to remove a cylinder and reach in and re-assemble gears. Checked the "parts"
book, bad idea, this area is totally contained and not open to the rest of
the engine.
Most said to pull the engine, split the cases etc, etc.. Being hardheaded
and with the help several friends we were able to pull the prop govener from
the side and with use of a "pointer" type magnet about the size of a small
eraser, a tiny tube flashlight (it's about the same size 1/8" dia. as the
thing the doctor used to look down my throat, the fiber optic shaft is about
15" long), some very sticky grease, three screwdrivers and a special tool
made from a hinge pin. We were able to glue the thrust washer to the gear,
line up the gears, get them lined up with the shaft holes, fish out the key
with the magnet, and two days of try and try again, two nights of little
sleep we were able re-assemble all the parts in their proper order, lined up
and put back together. The gears are about 1 1/2 in dia. and the two holes
we worked thru are less than a inch wide. PLEASE DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME.
We hope that those of you have read this far will look at the parts book,
look at your engine and LEAVE THAT SHAFT ALONE. This is one time that you
can learn from the mistakes of others. Change the washer if you must,
tighten it, safety wire it but under no circumstances pull out the shaft,
you will get SHAFTED if you do. I don't know what engines have this set up
but it may be on any Lyc. type with a C/S prop. Putting this back together
properly CAN be done but you will need at least every tool we had. The tiny
magnet and super skinny light are an absolute must. But this is the first
time anyone at APV has seen or heard of this being done. It can be done but
PLEASE do yourself a favor DONT TRY THIS AT HOME. I thank God that the
WRONG plug did leak during run up tests and not at 10,000 feet and 250
knots, yea the HRII can do that. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Gummo <t.gummo(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:53 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: how to add construction time to project
>
> On my first attempt to start the engine, we found an oil leak. It was
> determined that the plug which holds the idler gear for the prop governor
> was not correct. So the bad part was removed and the correct part ordered
> (be careful with used engines, who knows what parts have been used).
While
> I was getting the correct part, my building partner reached in and removed
> the shaft (Curiosity killed the cat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bowen Miles <cessna170bdriver(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Rocket Tail and Wing kit for sale |
I am at the point where I have to choose between
overhauling the O-300A for my 170 (owned since 1982)
or finishing my Harmon Rocket. The O-300 wins. Rocket
parts gotta go.
The tail is a 95% finished RV-4 kit. Elevators and
rudder have .016 skins modified with internal .016
doublers inside the trailing edge.
Wing kit has completed spars shortened per Rocket
plans. Wing center section bulkhead is complete and
drilled to spars. Spars have been modified to
accomodate a 16-gallon aux tank on each outboard
leading edge in addition to standard Rocket tanks
inboard (approx 75-80 gal in 4 tanks - is that enough
for the guy who was considering the Walter turbine?).
Ailerons are ready to rivet. Flaps are approx. 25%
complete. Remaining parts include all structural
components to complete the wings. No wingtips or fuel
senders.
All or nothing, as is, where is (Tehachapi, CA),
$3,700 firm. Please e-mail OFF-LIST if interested.
Miles Bowen
cessna170bdriver(at)yahoo.com
Tehachapi, CA
http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FS: RV-4 Roll Bar |
I have an extra RV-4 roll bar for sale. Van's sells for $130, I am asking
$50 plus shipping. Please e-mail me if interested. Thanks
-Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Good Avionics Book |
Can anyone recommend a good Avionics book for installation and wiring of
radios, transponder, antenna's, gages, etc? I know there are a lot of books
out there, but I'm sure some are better and more encompassing than others.
Thanks
-Mike
RV-4 Fuse almost done....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
"rocket-list(at)matronics.com"
Listers--
Does any one have any follow-up on the RV-7A "Predator" that was listed
in Trade-A-Plane a couple months back? IO-540/390 hp/4800 fpm climb.
According to Van's, the parts weren't available at the time to build the
airplane. Just curious.
Boyd.
RV-Super 6
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Good Avionics Book?? |
Can anyone recommend a good Avionics book for installation and wiring of
radios, transponder, antenna's, gages, etc? I know there are a lot of books
out there, but I'm sure some are better and more encompassing than others.
Thanks
-Mike
RV-4 Fuse almost done....
From: N8292W(at)aol.com
Full-name: N8292W
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:29:07 EDT
Subject: Good Avionics Book
Can anyone recommend a good Avionics book for installation and wiring of
radios, transponder, antenna's, gages, etc? I know there are a lot of books
out there, but I'm sure some are better and more encompassing than others.
Thanks
-Mike
RV-4 Fuse almost done....
Can anyone recommend a good Avionics book for installation and wiring of
radios, transponder, antenna's, gages, etc? I know there are a lot of books
out there, but I'm sure some are better and more encompassing than others.
Thanks
-Mike
RV-4 Fuse almost done....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | First Engine Run |
Everybody,
TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY !!!!!!
Harmon Rocket II, N561FS, was started for the first time today.
The IO-540 J4A5 was finally convinced it want to turn under its own power.
With the proper amount of prime and a little luck, the started was engaged
and a different noise was heard from the front. There will be a little
fine tuning to do but IT SURE SOUNDED GREAT TO ME.
My RMI engine monitor is a different story. I have some things that need
work. For example, RPM was reading about twice what it should. (Not RMI
fault).
Tom Gummo
HR-II, N561FS (named for 561st Fighter Squadron)
Engine RUNNING
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
| Subject: | First Engine Run |
Tom
The rpm difference that you noted sounds familiar to me. On my control
vision system it was set for one electronic mag but I have two magnetos. In
this case it was reading exactly half. There is probably a "dip" switch
somewhere that you can change
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
Sent: July 31, 2001 1:58 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: First Engine Run
Everybody,
TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY !!!!!!
Harmon Rocket II, N561FS, was started for the first time today.
The IO-540 J4A5 was finally convinced it want to turn under its own power.
With the proper amount of prime and a little luck, the started was engaged
and a different noise was heard from the front. There will be a little
fine tuning to do but IT SURE SOUNDED GREAT TO ME.
My RMI engine monitor is a different story. I have some things that need
work. For example, RPM was reading about twice what it should. (Not RMI
fault).
Tom Gummo
HR-II, N561FS (named for 561st Fighter Squadron)
Engine RUNNING
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: First Engine Run |
Thanks Tom,
I am sure it is a programming problem. I just didn't get it right the first
time.
Tom G.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: First Engine Run
>
> Tom
> The rpm difference that you noted sounds familiar to me. On my
control
> vision system it was set for one electronic mag but I have two magnetos.
In
> this case it was reading exactly half. There is probably a "dip" switch
> somewhere that you can change
>
> Tom Martin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
> Sent: July 31, 2001 1:58 PM
> To: rocket-list; rv-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Rocket-List: First Engine Run
>
>
> Everybody,
>
> TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY !!!!!!
>
> Harmon Rocket II, N561FS, was started for the first time today.
> The IO-540 J4A5 was finally convinced it want to turn under its own power.
> With the proper amount of prime and a little luck, the started was engaged
> and a different noise was heard from the front. There will be a little
> fine tuning to do but IT SURE SOUNDED GREAT TO ME.
>
> My RMI engine monitor is a different story. I have some things that need
> work. For example, RPM was reading about twice what it should. (Not RMI
> fault).
>
> Tom Gummo
> HR-II, N561FS (named for 561st Fighter Squadron)
> Engine RUNNING
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jandkstone(at)earthlink.net> |
Has anyone researched the pros and cons of using the MT prop on their
Rocket?
I would like to know the weight difference and which model to buy.
I am aware of the reduced TBO (currently 1200 hrs), and of course the
increase in cost 10,200. I'm thinking their will be an increase in
climb performance, a slight increase in cruise speed, a decrease in
airframe vibration, greater prop to ground clearance, and better repair
capability.
Can you think of any other concerns or considerations?
Jim Stone
Louisville
Canopy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Centering the Ball at Cruise A/S |
| From: | Gary Graham <beeb(at)teleport.com> |
Pugsley Engineering (my dog's Co.) has been playing with methods of
centering the ball on my RV-4FB. Here are some of the methods:
1. Tabs; The popular wedge tab and the trailing edge bendable metal tab.
These satisfy most builders right up to the point that the opposing
aerodynamic forces on the rudder balance the effective pressures generated
by the tab. A bigger tab is tried and resulting diminishing returns are
noted. The main reason for this is the fact that tab becomes blanked out by
the vertical stabilizer as the rudder is displaced.
2. Offset of the vertical stabilizer; This is tougher to quantify given
the vertical stabilizer size differences in the RV family of designs, the
angle of incidence, the engine/prop combination and the resulting thrust
angle of the engine as mounted/sagged over time. All stabs are not the same
in terms of how they were built and mounted. Based on antidotal data that I
collected down through the years, I off set my vert. stab. 3/16" at the
front spar (1/4" at the leading edge) with positive results. Many builders
have reported diminishing returns beyond this point.
3. Camber change; Some aircraft use different airfoil shapes on the left
vs. the right side not unlike that of the horizontal stabilizer (less
extreme). This of course would result in a collection of vertical tail fins
you could trade with friends on the list.
4. Dorsal Fins; I mention this not so much as a ball mover, but as a way
that a few builders have increased yaw stability (remember the evolution of
the C-150 slant tail, the dorsal fins got bigger each year).
5. Gear leg fairings; By far one of the best ways to effect yaw is the
gear leg fairing (that's why we put them on, right?) Often the reason we
need to move the ball is to compensate for the gear leg fairings interplay
with relative wind and prop swirl. Those who have flown with them on and
off can comment on this. Best do all testing with then off (except RV-8).
Once you have the ball where you wan it, then put them on and flight test
them. Adjust them until the ball is back in the center.
6. Ailerons; An aileron that is not mounted correctly can and will add to
yaw and a wing heavy/light condition. In most cases, look for the leading
edge of one aileron to be below the wing bottom at flight level position.
This can be a subtle difference that is not easy to see. A slightly twisted
aileron or one with a slight drupe to the nose is difficult to average out.
If you find this and are lucky, you might cure two problems with one
adjustment. Don't forget flap asymmetry and wing twist. Once you have the
plane flying wings level (neutral load) is when you do serious ball
centering.
7. Vortex generators on the vertical stabilizer; This is the latest mod
effort of Pugsley's engineering team. Many folks ask me about these at
Arlington. I am happy to report that it has been a productive effort. It
has taken many trial runs, but once I got close to the sweet spot, the ball
moved right between the lines. I started with a small wedge as an aiming
point on the rudder about half way down. Three VGs moved the ball out the
left side (started with 1/2 to 2/3 ball out to right) Two VGs and it is
centered. They are presently located just above the tail fairing, roughly
over the forward spar. The current VGs are rather large (1/2" X 2" and 4"
spacing). They are approximately 15* nose up to the relative wind. My goal
is more than making a tab/wedge work better. I would like to make the
vertical tail have more lift to the left without the tab (remember that I
also off set the tail 3/16 ). If you believe in swirl effect on the tail
(you have oiled the surface), my tail off set may be just compensating for
that and the VGs are helping remove the little bit of asymmetrical thrust
over and above the standard engine off set to the right. My plane doesn't
fly level to the relative wind in normal cruise. Therefore the prop is at a
slight climb angle with the resulting "P" factor. The reason I like the
idea of VGs is that we can use no more than needed to do the job on a wide
variety of RVs. I now need left ruder in a dive and right of course in a
climb.
If anyone has any of the smaller VGs available (e.g. 1/4-3/16) and wants to
loan/give them to the cause, it would be greatly appreciated. Viva lift
without drag maximus.
Good luck with all that you experiment with. It has its rewards.
Gary and Pugsley
P.S. Let us not forget the electric nose wheel positioner for cockpit trim
control
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
| Subject: | I-K Technologies Engine Monitor |
Do you have a web site for this product?
Tom Martin
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian E. Adams" <md11plt(at)attglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I-K Technologies Engine Monitor |
Tom,
The web site for the I-K 2000 is: http://I-KTechnologies.com
Brian Adams
Tom Martin wrote:
>
> Do you have a web site for this product?
>
> Tom Martin
>
> --
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall(at)thegrid.net> |
| Subject: | EAA Fly In ,Truckee ,Ca |
Hello Rocket builders/ flyers, our local eaa chapter 1073 is holding its
annual fly in for people going to the Reno Races, If you ever tried to
fly into RNO or Stead , you know what I mean, If you fly into Truckee
and Park at EAA and register, $10.00 gets you free parking and a
spaghetti dinner, there will be camping for those who wish at the eaa
building we may even put together a bus ride if we have enough people
interested that will go to Stead at $ 10.00 a head, but we have to fill
the bus ! let me know off list if your as I can hook people up with
rental car companies Etc. Bob Marshall RRII, rtmarshall(at)thegrid.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
Fellow rocket flyers
-- I have on my current rocket, and my last one, a woodward 210-105 govenor.
Each of those units has been rebuilt and one of them in two different shops.
They both will not hold the prop at a constant rpm. Sometimes it moves 20 to
40 rpms and at times up to 100 rpm. I have talked to Hartzell, woodward and
both engine shops. No one has an answer. My question to this group is,
what govenor are you using and are you satisfied with the performance.
Tom Martin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scot Stambaugh <sstambaugh(at)qualcomm.com> |
I purchased the Czech governor that Mark Frederick sells. I am not flying
yet but Mark has it on his ship. Maybe he can give you some feedback.
scot
>
>Fellow rocket flyers
>
>
>-- I have on my current rocket, and my last one, a woodward 210-105 govenor.
>Each of those units has been rebuilt and one of them in two different shops.
>They both will not hold the prop at a constant rpm. Sometimes it moves 20 to
>40 rpms and at times up to 100 rpm. I have talked to Hartzell, woodward and
>both engine shops. No one has an answer. My question to this group is,
>what govenor are you using and are you satisfied with the performance.
>
>Tom Martin
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bryan E. Files" <bfiles(at)gci.net> |
What type of oil temps are you running and what type of oil are you running?
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scot
Stambaugh
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: goveners
I purchased the Czech governor that Mark Frederick sells. I am not flying
yet but Mark has it on his ship. Maybe he can give you some feedback.
scot
>
>Fellow rocket flyers
>
>
>-- I have on my current rocket, and my last one, a woodward 210-105
govenor.
>Each of those units has been rebuilt and one of them in two different
shops.
>They both will not hold the prop at a constant rpm. Sometimes it moves 20
to
>40 rpms and at times up to 100 rpm. I have talked to Hartzell, woodward and
>both engine shops. No one has an answer. My question to this group is,
>what govenor are you using and are you satisfied with the performance.
>
>Tom Martin
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall(at)thegrid.net> |
Tom,my Woodward seems to work just fine, do not know the number until I
have to go under the hood, but your number sounds about right. Take
care, Bob TRK,CA RRII
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | engine driven fuel pump vent line |
All--
A fellow Rocket builder has run into the same problem that I've heard
plagues -4 builders installing the -360. After installing the engine,
he noticed that the port for the fuel pump vent line is too close to the
firewall to attach any kind of line or adapter.
How did others solve this problem, since it seems to be universal for
the -4 firewall and Lycoming engines (-360 or -540)?
I know that Van stocks a 80 degree elbow for the -360 installs--will
this work for the -540?
Thanks.
Boyd.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Rocket-List F1 rocket kit for sale |
F1 rocket kit for sale
Kit is partionally finished, excellent workmanship as the work was done by
team rocket.
Kit includes complete RV8 tail. Just has to be mounted and finished.
Kit also includes the following
Ameri king ELT
Vetterman Stainless exhust
heat shielding
areoflash strobes
I have pictures that can be emailed to anyone. I have about 35000 into the
kit. I need to make up for a short fall in income since i am owed 30,000 by
a company that went bankrupt. Please email me or call for details on the
kit.
Chris wilcox
(920) 858-7561
cw9371(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robmokry(at)pacbell.net |
| Subject: | engine driven fuel pump vent line |
Yes,
use van's piece.
----Original Message-----
>From: "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com>
>To: "rocket-list(at)matronics.com"
>Subj: Rocket-List: engine driven fuel pump vent line
>Reply To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:02 PM
>
>
>All--
>
>A fellow Rocket builder has run into the same problem that I've
heard
>plagues -4 builders installing the -360. After installing the
engine,
>he noticed that the port for the fuel pump vent line is too close
to the
>firewall to attach any kind of line or adapter.
>
>How did others solve this problem, since it seems to be universal
for
>the -4 firewall and Lycoming engines (-360 or -540)?
>
>I know that Van stocks a 80 degree elbow for the -360
installs--will
>this work for the -540?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Boyd.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JTRACYF16(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List F1 rocket kit for sale |
Chris Please e-mail me the pictures Ill call afterwards JIM TRACY
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Archie" <archie97(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | HelpHer_(1) (1).jpg |
HelpHer_(1) (1).jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Archie" <archie97(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | HelpHer_(1) (1).jpg |
HelpHer_(1) (1).jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: engine driven fuel pump vent line |
In a message dated 8/28/01 12:08:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bcbraem(at)home.com writes:
>
> All--
>
> A fellow Rocket builder has run into the same problem that I've heard
> plagues -4 builders installing the -360. After installing the engine,
> he noticed that the port for the fuel pump vent line is too close to the
> firewall to attach any kind of line or adapter.
>
> How did others solve this problem, since it seems to be universal for
> the -4 firewall and Lycoming engines (-360 or -540)?
>
> I know that Van stocks a 80 degree elbow for the -360 installs--will
> this work for the -540?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Boyd.
>
Try using a silicone terminal boot instead of a fitting Works great.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: engine driven fuel pump vent line |
I took the fuel pump apart and rotated the vent line to the proper position
then reassembled it with bolts instead of the screws from the bottom and the
top..
Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
Congratulations Chris Kidd,Taft ,Ca. # 74 Harmon Rocket II
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
Congratulations Jack Hodge Riverside, Ca # 75 Harmon Rocket II in the air.
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
Last night was one of those nights that will keep me flying. Cool temps
and a glorious sunset welcomed me to the airport barbeque last night. A
wife of a friend asked me for a rocket ride and away we went just before the
sun set, truly a pretty flight.
Apon landing another woman approached me and asked if she could have a
ride and pay for the fuel!!! I was not long in getting the canopy open for a
offer like that! This woman and her husband are both pilot owners of a
cessna 150 and she had never been in a tail dragger or a low wing. Lady
passengers are fun, and it all begins with the attachment of the five point
harness... Women are also more likely to express their real feelings during
a flight, often I only hear that a male passenger was thrilled about a
flight from a third party. And my favorite passengers, of both genders, are
cessna only pilots.
When I apply power to the rocket on take off I usually get it rolling down
the runway for a while before I apply full power. As I pushed the throttle
to the stop from the back seat I heard a "oh my!!!" and the fun never ended.
This lady was a joy, she never stopped laughing and giggling. She had never
done a roll, or for that matter even a really steep turn, and she wondered
if I could, you know, go upside down. There is something about a squeal of
delight from the back seat at the top of a barrel roll that really gives me
a lot of pleasure. I let her take control for a while and she said all the
things that pilots say when they first fly a rocket or rv and then she said
the words "can we do a couple more rolls?" I am afraid the cessna is just
not going to be the same.
When we landed I declined her offer of gas money and asked if her husband
would care for a ride. She said that he has a queasy stomach and would
probably not enjoy it as much as she did. I guess I will have to take her up
again some day!
Over the years I have given a lot of rides and it is ones like this one
that keep me pounding rivets and spending money on fuel.
Tom Martin
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | F1 rocket fit for sale still for sale MUST SELL |
F1 rocket kit for sale
Kit is partionally finished, excellent workmanship as the work was done by
team rocket.
Kit includes complete RV8 tail. Just has to be mounted and finished.
Kit also includes the following
Ameri king ELT
Vetterman Stainless exhust
heat shielding
areoflash strobes
I have pictures that can be emailed to anyone. I have about 35000 into the
kit. I need to make up for a short fall in income since i am owed 30,000 by
a company that went bankrupt. Please email me or call for details on the
kit.
Chris wilcox
(920) 858-7561
cw9371(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | F1 rocket kit still for sale and must sell ASAP |
F1 rocket kit bye Team Rocket Aircraft for SALE
Kit is partionally finished, excellent workmanship as the work was done by
team rocket as this was to be there show plane.
Kit includes complete RV8 tail. Just has to be mounted and finished.
Kit also includes the following
Ameri king ELT
Vetterman Stainless exhust
heat shielding
team rocket throttle quadrent
areoflash strobes
I have pictures that can be emailed to anyone. I have about 35000 into the
kit. I need to make up for a short fall in income since i am owed 30,000 by
a company that went bankrupt. Please email me or call for details on the
kit. Please make and offer as i must sell this kit.
Chris wilcox
(920) 858-7561 cell
(920) 235-1082 work
cw9371(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JTRACYF16(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: F1 rocket kit still for sale and must sell ASAP |
Chris, What state are you located in . Also as you know, shipping is
costly and dangerous to the kit if not done properly. Can you ship insured?
Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Private" <rhinorob(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | F1 rocket kit still for sale and must sell ASAP unsubscribe |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
JTRACYF16(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: F1 rocket kit still for sale and must sell ASAP
Chris, What state are you located in . Also as you know, shipping is
costly and dangerous to the kit if not done properly. Can you ship insured?
Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: F1 rocket kit still for sale and must sell ASAP |
In a message dated 9/14/2001 11:43:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
JTRACYF16(at)aol.com writes:
> Chris, What state are you located in . Also as you know, shipping is
> costly and dangerous to the kit if not done properly. Can you ship
> insured?
> Jim
>
I am located in Oshkosh, WI, I would hope that you would come up and pick
up the kit. Renting a U hual and moving it back would cost the same as
shipping it. When I had it shipped up here it was 1500 dollars. And that
was with me picking it up a commercial loading dock. Plus that way it can
be insured by your Avemco builders risk policy. I do not have the necessary
boxes to ship this kit.
Give me a call if u want to discuss this further. My cell is (920) 858-7561.
chris wilcox
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Kloos" <jim.kloos(at)virgin.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/28/01 |
'Rocket-List Digest Server' wrote:=0A=0A- *
- Rocket-List Digest Archive
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| From: | ClearProp1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: God Bless America Apparel |
rocket-list(at)matronics.com, kolb-list(at)matronics.com,
zenith-list(at)matronics.com, yak-list(at)matronics.com, ez-list(at)matronics.com,
lancair-list(at)matronics.com, cessna-list(at)matronics.com,
beech-list(at)matronics.com, cadet-list(at)matronics.com,
avionics-list(at)matronics.com, pitts-list(at)matronics.com,
homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com
Sure, I am planning on sending a dollar from every shirts sold to both the
Fire Fighters Foundation and the Red Cross.
A few responses have indicated that I did not give a way to purchase these
items. Items can be purchased either over the phone, fax, or email by
forwarding your name, address, phone number and credit card for purchases. Or
you can send a check to:
Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc.
2731 SE Taiwinds Rd.
Jupiter, FL 33478
Items being sold are:
White T-shirts
Denim Blue hats
White Polo Shirts
Ash polo shirts
All are beautifully embroidered with the American Flag and "God Bless
America".
Thank you for all your responses!!
Scott Brown
Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc.
phone: 561-748-2420 Fax: 561-748-6980
Visit us at www.six-shooters.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
\"Rocket List\"" ,
"Allen L. Mecum"
Please be advised that I do not live in your district but I do live in your
state. I will support anyone, from any party that runs AGAINST you in the
future. I will spend my time & my money to return you being just a private
citizen as I believe from YOUR actions you are not fit to run for dogcatcher
let alone a member of Congress. Thank you standing up for your beliefs, it
help us all to identify at least one rotten apple in the barrel. John H.
Starn. Apple Valley, Calif. 92307-2517
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MBragg001(at)cs.com |
way to go John!!!
I will write the congress lady also.
Medford
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
Those of you on the list know me better as KABONG, the coward Barbara Lee of
the 9th district, Oakland Calif., was the ONLY member of the house to vote
against the use any force in responce to Sept. 11th. APV (Apple Valley
Airport) is closed. We, Tom Gummo (Gummibear) & I have been working on
getting the HRII into the air for better than three years. We're within
days, weeks at the most, of first flight. Dressed and ready with no place to
go. Sorry if you took offence but I have friends that I talk to (That's not
easy for me to say) on the list. I value them as special people and their
outlook on various topics. These are not just builders, everyone I have met
from John Harmon on down are a great source on ANY subject. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Young <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Your vote
>
> I think this was a copy of what he sent to Congress Woman Barbara Lee, the
> only one in Congress to vote against the anti-terrorist resolution. It
> turned my stomach too but these lists are not the place to air it.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
Right On!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: <MBragg001(at)cs.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Your vote
>
> way to go John!!!
> I will write the congress lady also.
> Medford
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com, rocket-list(at)matronics.com,
kolb-list(at)matronics.com, zenith-list(at)matronics.com, yak-list(at)matronics.com,
ez-list(at)matronics.com, lancair-list(at)matronics.com,
cessna-list(at)matronics.com, beech-list(at)matronics.com,
cadet-list(at)matronics.com, avionics-list(at)matronics.com,
pitts-list(at)matronics.com, homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com
| From: | jerryb <ulflyer(at)airmail.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List: Re: RV-List: God Bless America Apparel |
Can any of well known list posters vouch for this guy and I don't mean one
of his friends. Unless someone we know on the list can vouch for him I
wouldn't provide my CC# to anyone coming a knocking without knowing
without knowing who your doing business and that it a
legitimate business. Anyone can put up a web page and look real.
jerryb
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ClearProp1(at)aol.com
>
>
>
>
>Sure, I am planning on sending a dollar from every shirts sold to both the
>Fire Fighters Foundation and the Red Cross.
>
>A few responses have indicated that I did not give a way to purchase these
>items. Items can be purchased either over the phone, fax, or email by
>forwarding your name, address, phone number and credit card for purchases. Or
>you can send a check to:
>
>Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc.
>2731 SE Taiwinds Rd.
>Jupiter, FL 33478
>
>Items being sold are:
>
>White T-shirts
>Denim Blue hats
>White Polo Shirts
>Ash polo shirts
>
>All are beautifully embroidered with the American Flag and "God Bless
>America".
>
>Thank you for all your responses!!
>
>
>Scott Brown
>Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc.
>
>phone: 561-748-2420 Fax: 561-748-6980
>
>Visit us at www.six-shooters.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
John,
Ms. Lee voted not to not use force but she voted not to give away the
congressional authorization to use force. That vote effectively gave dubyah
authorization to use force (in any magnitude) against any country(s), group, or
peoples he sees fit. A very dangerous proposition as much as a loose cannon as
he is proving himself. Remember the system of checks and balances? The terrorist
act is a criminal act not an act of war by any country. I applaud Ms. Lee's
courage and voice of reason!
John Starn wrote:
>
> Those of you on the list know me better as KABONG, the coward Barbara Lee of
> the 9th district, Oakland Calif., was the ONLY member of the house to vote
> against the use any force in responce to Sept. 11th. APV (Apple Valley
> Airport) is closed. We, Tom Gummo (Gummibear) & I have been working on
> getting the HRII into the air for better than three years. We're within
> days, weeks at the most, of first flight. Dressed and ready with no place to
> go. Sorry if you took offence but I have friends that I talk to (That's not
> easy for me to say) on the list. I value them as special people and their
> outlook on various topics. These are not just builders, everyone I have met
> from John Harmon on down are a great source on ANY subject. KABONG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Young <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:52 PM
> Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Your vote
>
> >
> > I think this was a copy of what he sent to Congress Woman Barbara Lee, the
> > only one in Congress to vote against the anti-terrorist resolution. It
> > turned my stomach too but these lists are not the place to air it.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ignitor" <ignitor(at)uswest.net> |
rocket-list(at)matronics.com, kolb-list(at)matronics.com,
zenith-list(at)matronics.com, yak-list(at)matronics.com, ez-list(at)matronics.com,
lancair-list(at)matronics.com, cessna-list(at)matronics.com,
beech-list(at)matronics.com, cadet-list(at)matronics.com,
avionics-list(at)matronics.com, pitts-list(at)matronics.com,
homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: RV-List: God Bless America Apparel |
Hmmm....seems to my cynical self that some company pops up out of nowhere
and wants to sell some product and work on my emotions by saying they'll be
sending a one stinking George Washington out of a ten dollar profit. Now, I
don't know, but there are not any prices posted on the web site. Kinda
reminds of the JFK or LaGuardia Sheraton who immediately doubled room rates
as soon as they heard all planes were grounded. Tell ya what...if you want
money to go to these funds, do what I did...call the Red Cross directly and
give them your credit card number and maybe more than a buck. Checked the
Six-Shooters website tonight...a whole 106 visitors to the site according to
their webcounter. Funny too, that the website was created on TUESDAY,
September 11 according to the website source code. Sorry, it just seems to
be seeing the "real" looters here in the U.S.A. are starting to come out of
the woodwork.
Just my opinion, I've been wrong before, but I've also seen profiteers in
action.....
Chris
Still waitin' and Wantin' to fly
Caveat Emptor
----- Original Message -----
From: <ClearProp1(at)aol.com>
; ;
; ;
; ;
; ;
; ;
;
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: RV-List: God Bless America Apparel
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: ClearProp1(at)aol.com
>
>
>
>
> Sure, I am planning on sending a dollar from every shirts sold to both the
> Fire Fighters Foundation and the Red Cross.
>
> A few responses have indicated that I did not give a way to purchase these
> items. Items can be purchased either over the phone, fax, or email by
> forwarding your name, address, phone number and credit card for purchases.
Or
> you can send a check to:
>
> Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc.
> 2731 SE Taiwinds Rd.
> Jupiter, FL 33478
>
> Items being sold are:
>
> White T-shirts
> Denim Blue hats
> White Polo Shirts
> Ash polo shirts
>
> All are beautifully embroidered with the American Flag and "God Bless
> America".
>
> Thank you for all your responses!!
>
>
> Scott Brown
> Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc.
>
> phone: 561-748-2420 Fax: 561-748-6980
>
> Visit us at www.six-shooters.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RTNeilsen(at)aol.com |
Loose cannon? What news are you watching? I see a man who is methodically
collecting facts and telling us all exactly what he is going to do about this
event when those facts identify the guilty. Every news agency I've seen has
praised Bush for his actions in this difficult time. He has yet to use any
force.
________________________________________________________________________________
zenith-list(at)matronics.com
| From: | Doc Mosher <docshop(at)tds.net> |
| Subject: | God Bless America Apparel |
Scott Brown dba Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc. - Jupiter, Florida
Your recent scattershot spamming of the entire Matronics airplane type
listing is not a nice thing to do. The RV list, for example, is for
messages among RV people. Matt's rules of protocol for list use
specifically state that the list is not for commercial sales use.
If you want to capitalize on the sudden surge of "show the flag" sentiment
by selling dry goods, that is your decision. But please do not clutter up
all of the Matronics airplane lists with your spam of advertising. That
was not a nice thing to do.
Doc Mosher
Oshkosh USA
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Civilian Airforce |
Does anyone know if there is a need for civilian planes to monitor airspace
and ground movement? Seems like the Harmon Rocket would be perfect for that
job. Let's form the Harmon Air Wing!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Weaver
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Your vote
Right On!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: <MBragg001(at)cs.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Your vote
>
> way to go John!!!
> I will write the congress lady also.
> Medford
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List: Re: RV-List: God Bless America Apparel |
Scott Brown was Mark Fredericks original partner in the F-1 project.. I found
him trustworthy and reliable.. Larry F-1 #001
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lancair-List: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: RV-List: God |
Bless America Apparel
Well, said Tom.. We must be ever vigilant to protect our right to free flight
from those uninformed and those who seek power over us in times of crisis...
Larry F1 #001
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
I have been watching CNN (Clinton News Network) Yes, He seems to be acting
methodically, 7 days have passed and he hasn't even bombed anyone.
My comment was in reference to every time he opens his mouth, have you listened
to him speak? I have supported him with my vote but I didn't vote for him I
voted for the Republican party and Dick Cheney!
By the way, I think politically the $41B vote was a brilliant act on the part of
Bush (especially in the imediate time frame). I understand he did not need
congressional approval to declare war but by having this vote the rest of the
country just bought in to (and funded) what ever attack(s) or wars come up in his
administration. Knowing anyone voting against it would be branded "unpatriotic".
I bet the first check he writes is for missle defence (which I support, but
support was floundering before every one started waving American flags.)
Lastly, Ms. Lee can't be blamed for the inability of us to fly our planes - If
that is your immediate need perhaps letters to your congressional folk and DOT
and FAA could reverse this knee jerk overreaction.
RTNeilsen(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Loose cannon? What news are you watching? I see a man who is methodically
> collecting facts and telling us all exactly what he is going to do about this
> event when those facts identify the guilty. Every news agency I've seen has
> praised Bush for his actions in this difficult time. He has yet to use any
> force.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List: Re: RV-List: God Bless America Apparel |
Scott Brown sold me my F-1 kit and found a buyer for the kit when I later
sold. I have ordered about 60 custom-embroidered shirts from his company
with very high satisfaction. Buy the shirts, he's a good guy with good
intentions and you'll wear the shirts with pride.
Gene Schmidt
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: Kolb-List: Re: RV-List: God Bless America
Apparel
Scott Brown was Mark Fredericks original partner in the F-1 project.. I
found
him trustworthy and reliable.. Larry F-1 #001
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
Sorry Rob.... I think you are barking up the wrong tree... Bush hasn't
fired one single shot.
I can't imagine why we haven't made a golf course out of Bahgdad yet even
though Saddam may have had nothing to do with this disaster. OR Libya...now
is a good time to show them we haven't forgotten about United Flight 103...
The American people are STILL the only ones being punished in this mess.
When was the last time you got to fly?
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Your vote
>
> John,
> Ms. Lee voted not to not use force but she voted not to give away the
> congressional authorization to use force. That vote effectively gave
dubyah
> authorization to use force (in any magnitude) against any country(s),
group, or
> peoples he sees fit. A very dangerous proposition as much as a loose
cannon as
> he is proving himself. Remember the system of checks and balances? The
terrorist
> act is a criminal act not an act of war by any country. I applaud Ms.
Lee's
> courage and voice of reason!
>
> John Starn wrote:
>
> >
> > Those of you on the list know me better as KABONG, the coward Barbara
Lee of
> > the 9th district, Oakland Calif., was the ONLY member of the house to
vote
> > against the use any force in responce to Sept. 11th. APV (Apple Valley
> > Airport) is closed. We, Tom Gummo (Gummibear) & I have been working on
> > getting the HRII into the air for better than three years. We're within
> > days, weeks at the most, of first flight. Dressed and ready with no
place to
> > go. Sorry if you took offence but I have friends that I talk to (That's
not
> > easy for me to say) on the list. I value them as special people and
their
> > outlook on various topics. These are not just builders, everyone I have
met
> > from John Harmon on down are a great source on ANY subject. KABONG
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Greg Young <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:52 PM
> > Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Your vote
> >
> > >
> > > I think this was a copy of what he sent to Congress Woman Barbara Lee,
the
> > > only one in Congress to vote against the anti-terrorist resolution. It
> > > turned my stomach too but these lists are not the place to air it.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
How about a little good news? Gordon Gibson and Larry Pickerll made there
first flight 9-9-01 #76. Now all we need is some airspace to fly in.
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RTNeilsen(at)aol.com |
Flew yesterday.
I don't think we should respond hastily. I think we should respond only to
those guilty. I do think we should respond with utter and terrible force.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MBragg001(at)cs.com |
Not United Flight # 103 , It was Pan-American Flt # 103 .
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 9/18/2001 9:32:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
Mytyweav(at)flash.net writes:
> Sorry Rob.... I think you are barking up the wrong tree... Bush hasn't
> fired one single shot.
> I can't imagine why we haven't made a golf course out of Bahgdad yet even
> though Saddam may have had nothing to do with this disaster. OR Libya...now
> is a good time to show them we haven't forgotten about United Flight 103...
> The American people are STILL the only ones being punished in this mess.
> When was the last time you got to fly?
> Weav
We bombed libya after Pan Am flight 103 bombing. Also Libya has come out
and said they will allow us to overfly there airspace in any attacks we
launch. They learned there lesson way back when.
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
I agree completely RT!
RTNeilsen(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Flew yesterday.
> I don't think we should respond hastily. I think we should respond only to
> those guilty. I do think we should respond with utter and terrible force.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
Weav,
Been so long since I've flown - I've been pullng the wrong stick!
RTNeilsen(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Flew yesterday.
> I don't think we should respond hastily. I think we should respond only to
> those guilty. I do think we should respond with utter and terrible force.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall(at)thegrid.net> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
John, did you get out of Reno? with an airplane?----- Original Message
-----
From: Hr2pilot(at)aol.com
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:39 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: (no subject)
How about a little good news? Gordon Gibson and Larry Pickerll made
there
first flight 9-9-01 #76. Now all we need is some airspace to fly in.
John
=
=
=
=
=
=
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 9/18/2001 12:46:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
robmokry(at)pacbell.net writes:
> John,
> Ms. Lee voted not to not use force but she voted not to give away the
> congressional authorization to use force. That vote effectively gave
> dubyah
> authorization to use force (in any magnitude) against any country(s),
> group, or
> peoples he sees fit. A very dangerous proposition as much as a loose cannon
> as
> he is proving himself. Remember the system of checks and balances? The
> terrorist
> act is a criminal act not an act of war by any country. I applaud Ms. Lee's
> courage and voice of reason!
>
> John Starn wrote
Ever hear of the war powers act. THe president can do what ever he wants
basically. He does need congress to tell him its ok first. Bush is proving
to be a loose cannon. What are u smoking, I havent seen him do anything
yet, other then things that have to be done for the good of this country.
That and cleaning up clintons messes since bin laden bombed our embassies,
the USS cole now us. Hmmm go figure.
chris wilcox
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List: Re: RV-List: God Bless America Apparel |
In a message dated 9/17/2001 11:40:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
ulflyer(at)airmail.net writes:
> Can any of well known list posters vouch for this guy and I don't mean one
> of his friends. Unless someone we know on the list can vouch for him I
> wouldn't provide my CC# to anyone coming a knocking without knowing
> without knowing who your doing business and that it a
> legitimate business. Anyone can put up a web page and look real.
> jerryb
Scott and I have had our problems, but i would trust him to do a 20 dollar
shirt.
chris wilcox
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
Thank You for the correction... My apologies
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: <MBragg001(at)cs.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Your vote
>
> Not United Flight # 103 , It was Pan-American Flt # 103 .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
Got this from a Tailwind friend.... I felt it would be good info for
all of us...
Weav
-------
Dear Rick:
Thank you for your correspondence. EAA is receiving an unprecedented
number of letters, calls and e-mails sharing what is typical of EAA
members -- compassion for others as well as honest opinions concerning
the temporary restrictions that have been placed on general aviation as
a result of the attacks on America on September 11th. Many members are
also concerned about what the future might hold as to lasting
repercussions on the freedom of flight with which we have become
accustomed in the United States.
EAA staff, like many others, has suffered personal loss, and we, like
the entire nation, a common loss of security and freedom of movement.
Like most others, we have grieved for those who have lost more than we.
At the same time, EAA leadership and staff has remained focused on our
responsibilities during this very difficult time.
As the nation's leaders struggle with the enormous decisions of
rebalancing freedom and security, EAA staff efforts have centered on
three primary goals: respect and cooperation with authorities,
communication of accurate and timely information to our members, and
representation of our members interest, both in the immediate,
restricted environment, as well as over the long term.
Our coordination and cooperation with authorities has included
continuous communication at the highest levels of the Federal Aviation
Administration and Department of Transportation. It has also included
cooperative, information and strategy sharing efforts with the Aircraft
Owners and Pilots Association and the National Business Aviation
Association. Unfortunately, the National Airspace System is currently
under the control of national security authorities.
Our communication with members has been through continuous update of the
EAA website and maintaining the most timely information for our EAA
staff in Oshkosh to share with members that call or correspond with
Headquarters. Additionally, we recently launched a new member benefit -
the EAA e-Hot Line, which is a weekly, electronically-delivered
newsletter to those EAA members with e-mail addresses on file. I have
attached an HTML and text version of e-Hot Line below. If you are not
already receiving a subscription, you can do so by either going to the
EAA website and clicking on the e-Hot Line area in the top left corner
of the homepage, or by calling 1-800-JoinEAA and requesting a free
subscription.
Our third goal is to represent the recreational aviation interest of our
members. This has been an important part of EAA's purpose for more than
48 years, and is never more critical than today. This is a time of great
uncertainty in the United States, and since the terrorists weapon of
choice was an aircraft, flight operations have, and will continue to be,
under considerable scrutiny and debate by national security officials.
To those of us that fly, those that appreciate the value of aviation in
the United States, and the young people that your organization has
exposed to the excitement and freedom of flight, we feel strongly that
flight IS freedom. Most of us feel strongly that this expression of
freedom is exactly what needs to return to as near normal as possible as
a symbol that terrorism will not dominate our lives. EAA will be at the
forefront of all discussions and cooperating with other aviation
organizations as we carry this message to policy makers in Washington.
Thank you again for your correspondence, thoughts, and support of your
EAA.
Bob Warner
EAA Executive Vice President
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "HALL THOMAS" <tomhall(at)starband.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Anyone know why? |
Ditto
Also, who said another week, How about a YEAR OR NEVER! Some pilots
have been told that by FAA. Read AOPA webpage.
Most GA a/c wouldn't make smudge on a building. How about cars,
trucks, buses, RV's (not 4, 6, 7, etc). They can carry much more
dangerous materials and can go where they please. How about boats?
Let's restrict them all. No movement until some knee-jerk reesponse
beaurcrat thinks it might suit him.
Let's work on the obvious. As said, it is pretty easy to narrow the
field. They aren't named Smith or Jones. They aren't US citizens.
They are physically obvious.
Let's restrict entrance and closy monitor these individuals. NOT ALL
OF US.
Consider the damage sustained by flight related businesses already.
Flight schools, banner tow, crop dusters (althought this group has
seen some relief.
Tom
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
Chris,
I just enjoy not agreeing with you!
CW9371(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/18/2001 12:46:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
> robmokry(at)pacbell.net writes:
>
> > John,
> > Ms. Lee voted not to not use force but she voted not to give away the
> > congressional authorization to use force. That vote effectively gave
> > dubyah
> > authorization to use force (in any magnitude) against any country(s),
> > group, or
> > peoples he sees fit. A very dangerous proposition as much as a loose cannon
> > as
> > he is proving himself. Remember the system of checks and balances? The
> > terrorist
> > act is a criminal act not an act of war by any country. I applaud Ms. Lee's
> > courage and voice of reason!
> >
> > John Starn wrote
>
> Ever hear of the war powers act. THe president can do what ever he wants
> basically. He does need congress to tell him its ok first. Bush is proving
> to be a loose cannon. What are u smoking, I havent seen him do anything
> yet, other then things that have to be done for the good of this country.
> That and cleaning up clintons messes since bin laden bombed our embassies,
> the USS cole now us. Hmmm go figure.
> chris wilcox
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jandkstone(at)earthlink.net> |
Does anyone have any experience (good or bad) dealing with a company in
Orlando named AirTec? They have good prices on slightly used cylinders
(overhauled, inspected, yellow tagged), fuel injection systems and
flywheels (they build their own).
Jim Stone
Canopy and skirts
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| From: | Fouga434(at)aol.com |
hey vince
it will make a nice lawn ornament
nick
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In a message dated 9/19/2001 9:27:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
nightmare(at)adelphia.net writes:
Doc, be sure to get these guys also. We wouldn't want to single out only one
guy.
>>
Hang on, Paul:
You might want to detail your connection with this embroidery business while
you're at it, lest it appear that your opinion might be objective. You know,
full disclosure and all that...
I know you own this particular embroidery machine (unless you've sold it to
your son Scott, purveyor of this embroidery business), and in your defense I
will add that I know you've had it for quite some time -- it was not
purchased for this particular set of circumstances. But, face it, even tho
your intentions are likely honorable, the timing, circumstances (ex: website
setup date) and appearance (many CC addresses) might appear to
be...well...not quite what folks want to see.
I think the point of the objection to the initial advertisement is that this
embroidery business has all the appearances of being quickly set up to take
advantage of the current events (we've never heard of this business before),
whereas the Aircraft Builders' Bookstore has been in existence for some time.
Heck, even I went out to buy a flag and none were available, so it would
appear that your idea was actually on target -- but the delivery didn't seem
to go very well with a few listers. In sending future ads, you might want to
BCC additional addresses, so to minimize the spam-like appearance. Likely
this is what aroused suspicion?
At any rate, donating to those worthy causes at this point in time is a good
thing -- good luck with your endeavors!
Regards
Mark
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | EAA says we can fly VFR |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Goodwin" <toyguy(at)bellatlantic.net>
Poberezny Messages NOTAMs Event Updates FAQs Relief Help e-Hot Line
Restricted Airspace Maps FAA Administrator Updates
Updated: 9/19/01 7:35 p.m.
U.S. Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta announced late today that
much of the nation's airspace available to pilots flying under Visual Flight
Rules (VFR) has been reopened, with restrictions remaining in major
metropolitan areas and flight training.
EAA, which has worked diligently over the past week for restoration of
general aviation access to the national airspace, called the move a very
positive first step. Earlier Wednesday, EAA president Tom Poberezny received
a call from FAA Administrator Jane Garvey, briefing him on the opening of
significant national airspace segments to VFR traffic, specifically
addressing "recreational flying, air shows, ultralights and a variety of
general aviation activities." FAA issued a NOTAM on this issue with specific
details on airspace access.
"This reopening of major portions of VFR airspace with no restrictions is
very good news, especially at a time when no news was creating a confusing
and chaotic situation within general aviation," Poberezny said. "As we've
continually stated, we wanted VFR flight to return as it was previous to
Sept. 11, with no lasting effects."
"The announcement allows the nation's aviators access to some airspace," he
said. "In conjunction with that announcement, it's important for a
continuing balance between the nation's security issues and the needs of the
country's aviation infrastructure and potential severe economic impact. We
can't stop here."
EAA and its affiliate, the National Association of Flight Instructors
(NAFI), remain committed to addressing the remaining prohibited areas for
VFR flight and flight training, which continue to cause economic hardships
throughout the country.
"As access to the national airspace widens, it is of extreme importance that
every pilot exercises outstanding airmanship and professionalism," Poberezny
added. "Be especially aware of Class B airspace and restricted areas.
Understandably, during this time of national crisis, it is absolutely
critical that aviators operate responsibly."
Administrator Garvey reiterated to Poberezny that she is committed to
continuing efforts with the Department of Defense and national security
officials regarding the incremental release of more VFR airspace in the
future. Garvey also assured Poberezny that she would be in constant contact
with him regarding developments in this dynamic situation.
Poberezny acknowledged the efforts of Secretary Mineta, Administrator Garvey
and their agencies in supporting general aviation in this matter
>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Never know what you got till it's gone...
--> RV-List message posted by: "Dave Goodwin"
Well said Jim. I was actually on the phone with my Congressional
representatives offices today, asking why I'd had no response to my email.
I made it quite clear that I expected some action and a reply and reminded
them I have a long memory and I always vote. I'll give them another couple
days to reply then I'll be on the horn again. I made all the points I made
in my email to the aide answering the phone and reminded him that Alaskans
are flying. I asked if there was nothing in Alaska susceptible to
terrorism, like pipelines, supertankers and such and how that was different
than little ol' rural Vermont. I think he got my drift. I also told him
they should be making plans to subsidize the GA industry if they do so for
the airlines, who are already screaming for billions. We'll see.
We absolutely need to be flooding everyone we can think of about this before
it's too late. Letters to the editor are next on my agenda.
Dave
Thinking about an RV-9 but waiting until I know I can fly it once it's done
:
)
----- Original Message -----
From: "J Andrews" <rv8a(at)lycos.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 2:01 PM
Subject: RV-List: Never know what you got till it's gone...
> --> RV-List message posted by: "J Andrews"
>
>
> I just got off the phone with my congressman's office. Before that I
contacted both the senators. I have never done this in my life before.
It's no big deal. You register your view and it will be given to your
representative. If thousands of us call we WILL be heard. I firmly believe
that a call ( daily ) is more profound a statement than a letter. We need
to beat these guys door down with complaints NOW!
>
> If you don't do this then you do not deserve to fly VFR.
>
> The longer you wait, the harder it will be to get our privileges back. If
we are not vocal about this then they will assume that we don't miss it and
we may NEVER get it back. Government works on the sqeaky wheel principle.
The louder you shout, the more bandwidth you get. We need LOTS of voices
out there to be heard.
>
> If you think that this does not apply to you because your still building
then think again. If VFR becomes more restricted or nonexistant then the
kit manufactures like Van's WILL GO OUT OF BUSINESS. Then it will not
matter if your IFR quailified or not you will be S.O.L. I understand that
less than 20% of the traffic at GA airports is IFR. The FBOs and the flight
schools will not be able to stay in business just servicing their IFR
clients. Say good buy to federal bucks for upgrading your local airports as
well. ALL the money is allocated based on need. Less pilots, less need.
>
> I'm not militant by any means but if you stand by and let this opportunity
slip through your fingers you WILL loose, we all WILL.
>
> In Texas:
>
> Senator Phil Graham 214-767-3000
> Senator Kay Hutchinson 916-5834
> Congressman Doggett 916-5921
>
> - Jim Andrews
> N89JA ( flying again some day soon I hope )
>
>
> Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S.
> http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp
>
>
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| From: | Jim Ivey <jim(at)jimivey.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Yak-List: EAA says we can fly VFR |
If you are interested in the NOTAM in it's entirety, I have it in Word format
for you (Matronics will strip it off if it's an attachment but I'll try it for
you anyway). Just contact me if you need it sent to you.
Jim Ivey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
"Rocket List"
| Subject: | VFR Ban lifted??? |
Excuss me but does anyone see Aircraft in this list below.
Looks like I can bring my plane home if stuck out.
Test fly if still in that phase.
But I don't see the 100 dollar hamburger or VFR "fun" flying listed.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
copied from EAA site:
B. EXAMPLES OF AUTHORIZED OPERATIONS, OUTSIDE "ENHANCED CLASS B
AIRSPACE" INCLUDE:
1. AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE REPOSITIONING.
2. BALLOONS.
3. CIVIL AIR PATROL.
4. GLIDERS.
5. MANUFACTURER PRODUCTION FLIGHT TESTS.
6. MAPPING/PHOTOGRAPHY MISSIONS.
7. PIPELINE/POWERLINE INSPECTIONS.
8. SEAPLANES.
9. SKYDIVING.
10. ULTRALIGHTS.
11. WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: VFR Ban lifted??? |
Tom,
It looks like all Part 91 operations are approved outside the "Enhanced"
Class B Airspace, with a few noted acceptions. If you are situated under
the new Enhanced Class B, you're still grounded. Apparently Class B now
goes from the surface to infinity and beyond.
Doug Fuss
under class B
Tom Gummo wrote:
>
> Excuss me but does anyone see Aircraft in this list below.
>
> Looks like I can bring my plane home if stuck out.
> Test fly if still in that phase.
>
> But I don't see the 100 dollar hamburger or VFR "fun" flying listed.
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
>
> copied from EAA site:
>
> B. EXAMPLES OF AUTHORIZED OPERATIONS, OUTSIDE "ENHANCED CLASS B
> AIRSPACE" INCLUDE:
> 1. AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE REPOSITIONING.
> 2. BALLOONS.
> 3. CIVIL AIR PATROL.
> 4. GLIDERS.
> 5. MANUFACTURER PRODUCTION FLIGHT TESTS.
> 6. MAPPING/PHOTOGRAPHY MISSIONS.
> 7. PIPELINE/POWERLINE INSPECTIONS.
> 8. SEAPLANES.
> 9. SKYDIVING.
> 10. ULTRALIGHTS.
> 11. WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS.
>
>
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| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: VFR Ban lifted??? |
OK...OK, Tom, I hate fibreglas so can we make the floats out of metal.
We'll of course have wheels on the floats for the hard runways but the HRII
would then be the "Gummo Supermarine Seaplane I". Does this also mean that
Ron and the Duck can fly. We could always fly into China Lake for lunch.
KABONG :
(
----- Original Message -----
From: <dfuss(at)eaze.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: VFR Ban lifted???
> > B. EXAMPLES OF AUTHORIZED OPERATIONS, OUTSIDE "ENHANCED CLASS B
> > AIRSPACE" INCLUDE:
> > 8. SEAPLANES.
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| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Yak-List: EAA says we can fly VFR |
Please send notam in word> Thanks
Jim Ivey wrote:
>
> If you are interested in the NOTAM in it's entirety, I have it in Word format
> for you (Matronics will strip it off if it's an attachment but I'll try it for
> you anyway). Just contact me if you need it sent to you.
>
> Jim Ivey
>
>
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| From: | MeangreenRV4(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: VFR Ban lifted??? |
In a message dated 9/19/01 6:55:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
t.gummo(at)verizon.net writes:
>
> Excuss me but does anyone see Aircraft in this list below.
>
> Looks like I can bring my plane home if stuck out.
> Test fly if still in that phase.
>
> But I don't see the 100 dollar hamburger or VFR "fun" flying listed.
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
>
> copied from EAA site:
>
> B. EXAMPLES OF AUTHORIZED OPERATIONS, OUTSIDE "ENHANCED CLASS B
> AIRSPACE" INCLUDE:
> 1. AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE REPOSITIONING.
> 2. BALLOONS.
> 3. CIVIL AIR PATROL.
> 4. GLIDERS.
> 5. MANUFACTURER PRODUCTION FLIGHT TESTS.
> 6. MAPPING/PHOTOGRAPHY MISSIONS.
> 7. PIPELINE/POWERLINE INSPECTIONS.
> 8. SEAPLANES.
> 9. SKYDIVING.
> 10. ULTRALIGHTS.
> 11. WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS.
>
>
>
As I have been told by flight service is point A to point B VFR flying no
closed pattern, no flight training and no "just flying around" BUT you can do
all the maitenance flights you want
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/20/01 |
In a message dated 9/20/2001 11:58:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rocket-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
> B. EXAMPLES OF AUTHORIZED OPERATIONS, OUTSIDE "ENHANCED CLASS B
> > AIRSPACE" INCLUDE:
> > 1. AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE REPOSITIONING.
> > 2. BALLOONS.
> > 3. CIVIL AIR PATROL.
> > 4. GLIDERS.
> > 5. MANUFACTURER PRODUCTION FLIGHT TESTS.
> > 6. MAPPING/PHOTOGRAPHY MISSIONS.
>
Tom, Per #5
I thought you were the manufacturer -- so do a production test flight!
Stability test at forward CG, lateral wing imbalance or something :-) The SEA
FSS said no problem with VFR flying as long as was not instructional as far
as they knew and we stayed out of the enhanced "B" airspace. I told them my
son was flying for currency -- they said FINE enjoy flying again!
Still waiting for my medical -- first time up since Feb.
Elbie
Elbie Mendenhall, EM aviation, LLC www.riteangle.com EAA 38308
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| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
\"Rocket List\"" ,
"Allen L. Mecum"
| Subject: | Re: Good thinking! |
When the cord holding the HRII canopy broke and the brand new canopy
tore loose and bounced across the floor it was crying time OR it was
time to say "well we know for sure that Van's design for emergancy
canopy removal works". The "pop" rivents did pop the second time and
release the canopy as planned. Did we say this right away, No. It took
about five minutes to check out the canopy, get over the shock and then
we did continue on and the quote above is what was said. KABONG
----- Original Message -----
From: SEERONFLY(at)aol.com
Subject: Good thinking!
READ THIS. LET IT REALLY SINK IN.
THEN CHOOSE HOW YOU START YOUR DAY TOMORROW.
Michael is the kind of guy you love to hate. He is always in a good
mood and always has something positive to say. When someone would ask
him how he was doing, he would reply, "If I were any better, I would be
twins!" He was a natural motivator.
If an employee was having a bad day, Michael was there telling the
employee how to look on the positive side of the situation. Seeing this
style really made me curious, so one day I went up to Michael and asked
him, "I don't get it! You can't be a positive person all of the time.
How do you do it?"
Michael replied, "Each morning I wake up and say to myself, you have
two choices today. You can choose to be in a good mood or ...you can
choose to be in a bad mood. I choose to be in a good mood.
Each time something bad happens, I can choose to be a victim or...I
can choose to learn from it. I choose to learn from it. Every time
someone comes to me complaining, I can choose to accept their
complaining... or I can point out the positive side of life. I choose
the positive side of life.
"Yeah, right, it's not that easy," I protested. Yes, it is," Michael
said. "Life is all about choices. When you cut away all the junk, every
situation is a choice. You choose how you react to situations. You
choose how people affect your mood. You choose to be in a good mood or
bad mood.
The bottom line: It's your choice how you live your life."
I reflected on what Michael said. Soon hereafter, I left the Tower
Industry to start my own business. We lost touch, but I often thought
about him when I made a choice about life instead of reacting to it.
Several years later, I heard that Michael was involved in a serious
accident, falling some 60 feet from a communications tower.
After 18 hours of surgery and weeks of intensive care, Michael was
released from the hospital with rods placed in his back. I saw Michael
about six months after the accident.
When I asked him how he was, he replied. "If I were any better, I'd be
twins. Wanna see my scars?"
I declined to see his wounds, but I did ask him what had gone through
his mind as the accident took place. "The first thing that went through
my mind was the well-being of my soon to be born daughter, "
Michael replied. "Then, as I lay on the ground, I remembered that I
had two choices: I could choose to live or ...I could choose to die. I
chose to live."
"Weren't you scared? Did you lose consciousness?" I asked.
Michael continued, "...the paramedics were great. They kept telling me
I was going to be fine. But when they wheeled me into the ER and I saw
the expressions on the faces of the doctors and nurses, I got really
scared. In their eyes, I read "he's a dead man. I knew I needed to take
action."
"What did you do?" I asked.
"Well, there was a big burly nurse shouting questions at me," said
Michael. "She asked if I was allergic to anything. "Yes, I replied." The
doctors and nurses stopped working as they waited for my reply. I took a
deep breath and yelled, "Gravity."
Over their laughter, I told them, "I am choosing to live. Operate on
me as if I am alive, not dead."
Michael lived, thanks to the skill of his doctors, but also because of
his amazing attitude. I learned from him that every day we have the
choice to live fully.
Attitude, after all, is everything. "Therefore do not worry about
tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough
trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34
After all today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday.
You have two choices now:
1. Delete this.
2. Forward it to the people you care about.
You know the choice I made
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| From: | "Robert & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall(at)thegrid.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/26/01 |
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| From: | Fouga434(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Before you calm back down (Not RV R elated) |
better yet paint ball guns that are 12 shot/sec
my they hurt
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| From: | "Robert & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall(at)thegrid.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 09/27/01 |
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| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
Johnny Rocket and others,
Does the forward side skin overlap the bottom skin or should it go under it?
My guess is that it overlaps the bottom skin.
Russ
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| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
Russ
Are you talking about the area around those heavy angle iron supports
that go from the bottom of the firewall to the 404? If so then there is
room to do a but joint at this location.
Tom Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: Russ Werner <russ(at)maui.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: skins
>
> Johnny Rocket and others,
>
> Does the forward side skin overlap the bottom skin or should it go under
it?
> My guess is that it overlaps the bottom skin.
>
> Russ
>
>
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| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
Hard to make this clear with words! try this:
The forward side skins I got from John have are designed to turn the corner
over the big angles and attach in assembly to 1 of 2 rows of rivets on the
bottom of the plane. Where this rolls to the bottom of the plane, does it
go on top of the bottom skin or between the bottom skin and the angle?
All this happens at the big bottom angles (450's?) that go from the firewall
to the 404.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: skins
>
> Russ
> Are you talking about the area around those heavy angle iron supports
> that go from the bottom of the firewall to the 404? If so then there is
> room to do a but joint at this location.
>
> Tom Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Russ Werner <russ(at)maui.net>
> To:
> Subject: Rocket-List: skins
>
>
> >
> > Johnny Rocket and others,
> >
> > Does the forward side skin overlap the bottom skin or should it go under
> it?
> > My guess is that it overlaps the bottom skin.
> >
> > Russ
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 9/28/2001 2:01:43 PM Central Daylight Time, russ(at)maui.net
writes:
<< Does the forward side skin overlap the bottom skin or should it go under
it?
My guess is that it overlaps the bottom skin. >>
You guess wrong!!! There are 2 rows of rivets along the belly there, with a
butt-joint, unless you have installed the 450 bars 90 deg off. In that case,
John will sell you more, with a smile. Ask me how I know this!
Cheers
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
It overlaps the bottom skin by two rivet rows. Roncelli (frankr@c-s.net)
----- Original Message -----
From: Russ Werner <russ(at)maui.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: skins
>
> Johnny Rocket and others,
>
> Does the forward side skin overlap the bottom skin or should it go under
it?
> My guess is that it overlaps the bottom skin.
>
> Russ
>
>
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| From: | Elmshoot(at)aol.com |
At OSH I saw this EFIS but at that time they did not have one that was
working ... read, they really hope it will work in a year or two. Try
www.bluemountaionavionics.com for a more complete AHRS. At $10,000. It has
everything you would need and then put the little EFIS-D10 in as the back up.
You could do some serious IFR work with this system. I was there on Saturday
and "Lord" Burt Rutan was there looking over the system and I can't believe
how much I learned from just listening to Burt and the Blue Mountain guy talk
for about 15 minutes. I don't know if he bought one but I got the impression
that he was very impressed. I was sold on it after listening to them talk.
Sparky
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| From: | "ghrhodes" <ghrhodes(at)midsouth.rr.com> |
Maize
You heard Greg Richter of Blue Mountain talking to Burt Rutan. Burt
subsequently invited him to Mojave (sp) to do development work. Greg
visited our Memphis EAA meeting to discuss his system and 13B rotary
stuff, Tracy Crook was there too with Herb Sanders as host of
ceremonies. Good meeting.
I am getting a Bluemountain unit after much discussion with Greg, he is
way above me in smarts, his avionics company is a hobby, he has a VERY
successful software company to pay bills. His presentation for a couple
of hours was super impressive. BTW the AHRS at OSH survived and is the
very one he brought to Memphis, we abused it more.......still works.
System is in upgrade for 3D terrain presentation much like Sierra Flight
systems, but 9600 vs. 30,000 dollars.
Best
Howard Rhodes
ghrhodes(at)midsouth.rr.com
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| From: | "Robert & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall(at)thegrid.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 09/28/01 |
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| From: | "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
"AeroElectric List"
This product is a glass attitude EFIS with tape strip displays of airspeed,
heading,
altitude, angle of attack, VSI, voltmeter, G meter, clock, ball and slip,
all on the
primary display page.
I phoned Gillian today for more information. They are in flight testing
with a C-180 on floats and a Beaver on floats. They are behind in
their schedule and they have been held up by recent events. They
now expect to begin deliveries early next year.
http://www.dynondevelopment.com/
Gillian C. Torode
Dynon Development Inc.
19501 144th Ave NE
Suite C-500
Woodinville, WA 98072
(425)402-4404 Phone (425)984-1751 Fax
Pricing will start at around $2000 including probes. Add $200 for a heated
pitot tube that will run the Angle of Attack bar graph next to your airspeed
bar graph. This pitot tube is supposed to be the standard size, I should be
able to retrofit it into my existing mast. Also available is a standby
battery
that automatically charges and gives you three hours running time.
One concern for RV'ers is the ability for it to be bright enough. The two
aircraft
in Dynon's test fleet don't sport the bubble canopy that requires the
brightest
of displays. This is a big unanswered question.
Gillian reported that they have now had close to 1000 enquiries but are not
actually taking orders. They are planning an engine monitor next, then some
form of moving map and a HSI. All modules will be able to link to each
other.
A few more companies like this and we will soon have affordable glass
cockpits.
I like the idea of an affordable EFIS, I might just get one.......
In shuffling the panel I think the EFIS will replace the Attitude, and the
Attitude
will replace the DG which I will lose altogether. At least one of my moving
map
systems will have the common electronic HSI.
Stay tuned......
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
| Subject: | RE: Rocket-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 10/01/01 |
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Subject: Rocket-List: parts for sale
Listers,
Les Featherston has the following items for sale. Don't contact me, I'm
just posting them as a favor.
Jon Johansen, 8.5 gallons each, RV style wingtip tanks, $1400
stock RV-4 wingtips, 10% off of Van's price... (neither one of us knew what
they cost!) Call him.
Harmon Rocket II cowling, $550
Contact Les Featherston about selling those legs (he's the owner) at
417-466-4663
Thanks,
Vince Frazier
Harmon Rocket II ... the fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
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*
Oops, I should've snipped out the part about "the legs". I'm the one who
has a set of Harmon gear legs to sell, not Les. And I forgot to put " do
not archive ". It was just one of those days.
Sorry if this caused any confusion for Les.
Vince
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| Subject: | F1 rocket kit still for sale and must sell ASAP |
F1 rocket kit bye Team Rocket Aircraft for SALE
Kit is partionally finished, excellent workmanship as the work was done by
team rocket as this was to be there show plane.
Kit includes complete RV8 tail. Just has to be mounted and finished.
Kit also includes the following
Ameri king ELT
Vetterman Stainless exhust
heat shielding
team rocket throttle quadrent
areoflash strobes
I have pictures that can be emailed to anyone. I have about 35000 into the
kit. I need to make up for a short fall in income since i am owed 30,000 by
a company that went bankrupt. Please email me or call for details on the
kit. Please make and offer as i must sell this kit.
Chris wilcox
(920) 858-7561 cell
(920) 235-1082 work
cw9371(at)aol.com
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| From: | "Terry Jantzi" <tjantzi(at)netrover.com> |
| Subject: | new project, new tools, new web site |
Fellow builders,
I'm building again after the sale of my RV-6. I've got a new shop, lots of
new tools and a new project to build. Plus, my webcam, or as Doug Reeves
describes it, Terry's Nerdcam, is up and running. It's active Monday,
Wednesday and Friday until November then it's full time. Stop in and visit.
Email a note if you do and I'll stop and wave.
Terry Jantzi
Kitchener, ON
F1 Rocket slowbuild
http://www.iwantarocket.com the Rocket Channel
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/10/01 |
In a message dated 10/11/2001 6:30:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
Emrath(at)home.com writes:
> was after I starting building a RV-6A and not wanting to be a smart mouth,
> it seems to me a Clipped wing RV-7 might be interesting, now that Van's
> doesn't sell RV-6 kits. So, who's gonna be the first to do this to a RV-7?
> Marty
there more to it then clipping the wings, anyways there were 1 or 2 RV 6
rocketized and it was alot of changes..
chris
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| From: | Sam Knight <knightair(at)lv.rmci.net> |
| Subject: | Knight Upholstery for Rocket Builders |
Rocket Builders:
I have been in the upholstery business for 28 years and have been making
upholstery products for kitplanes for 16 years. I have interior kits
available for the Harmon Rocket. I also have cabin covers and other items.
I am the supplier of upholstery products for several kitplane manufacturers.
A list of other kitplane interior products available upon request.
For more information, call Knight Aircraft Interiors, Inc., at (702)
207-6681 or e-mail me at knightair(at)lv.rmci.net. If you e- mail for
information, please mention either "Knight" or "Upholstery" in your
reference line so I can give your request my immediate attention. Photos
available upon request.
Sincerely,
KNIGHT AIRCRAFT INTERIORS, INC.
"Fly by Knight" Upholstery Products
Sam Knight
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| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
| Subject: | Drilling/dimpling/countersinking |
Rocketeers,
Okay, ask a simple question and get a different answer from everyone asked!
Question: In the aft fuse, what are you guys doing regarding the side skin,
turtledeck skin, and longeron. I have already predrilled the longeron and
side skin at 1" spacing. I'm leaning toward drilling additional holes
(between existing ones) in the sideskin & longeron at about 3 or 4 inch
spacing, and drilling and countersinking tack rivets there to hold the side
skin in place. Then, after backdrilling the turtle deck skin, machine
countersinking the side skin & longeron and dimpling the turtledeck skin.
Another option would be to dimple the side skin into the longeron, tack it,
and also dimple the turtledeck after drilling it.
Next Question: Similar but different ideas needed for the bottom skin to
the 404 and also the side skin(s) to 404. Suggestions?
Russ Werner
HRII
Maui
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| From: | "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
"AeroElectric List" ,
"RV List"
| Subject: | Dynon Screen Brightness |
I am very interested in the Dynon EFIS but concerned that the screen might
not be bright enough for a bubble canopy aircraft. Dynon is currently flight
testing with a Cessna and a Beaver. Both have closed cabins with roofs. I
asked the factory how many "nits" the screen has and here is their answer:
>There are 450 "nits" in the screen, with good contrast. Not only is
>it good to be bright, but the contrast is something that makes
>the screen very visible.
>We will be sending out a memo this week to update everyone
> on our development. Thank you for your interest.
I had been asking several Lists about brightness a few weeks ago and one
gentleman posted this very informed sounding letter:
>I can tell you from experience that anything less than 400 nits in a
>transmissive AMLCD will NOT be sunlight readable, and even that is very
marginal
>in shaft sunlight. We tested about a dozen 10.4" displays and only two were
>acceptable.
>This was for a portable test product, so we were power conscious. There
are
>10.4" displays out there with 1000 nit backlights, but they are power hogs
>(would not be an issue for this app.). Our method of testing was to roll
them
>out into our parking lot (Florida) and fire them up. Most failed
miserably.
>Many salesmen were just as disappointed, I guess they never checked.
>A newer technology is promising. It's the transflective AMLCD and is a
>combination of a reflective and transmissive AMLCD. In bright light, the
>incident light is reflected off the back of the display and helps improve
>contrast. In dark conditions, the backlight provides the contrast in
typical
>AMLCD fashion. Sharp demo'd a prototype for us and it worked quite well.
>Smaller versions are available right now, but we needed a 10.4". The
notebook
>and PDA guys are really pushing these because of the power savings.
So it kind of sounds like the Dynon EFIS will do the job. Now, when can I
get one?
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
Archive
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| From: | JOHNTMEY(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re:Two Speed Elevator Trim |
Listers... I was figuring on 2-speed trim for my HR by installing 2 switches,
one a "high-speed" trimmer, one a "low-speed" trimmer ("xxx-speed" referring
to the rate of trim change ((motor speed))).
These would be parallel circuits to the pitch-trim-motor, including a switch
and a fixed, but adjustable controller for each.
1) "High-speed" trim would be thumb switch on the stick, with the controller
circuit adjusted for aggressive trim changes. Better name for this circuit
might be "MAIN" pitch trim. Operates with right hand, of course.
2) "Low-speed" trim would be some kind of rocker installed on or near the
left quadrant. This one would run the pitch trim slowly and would be the
"CRUISE" trim. Operates with left hand.
Guy-In-Back can have one or both these switches too... just add spagetti and
more switches.
I remember liking this system in the 727s and early 737s. Big speed ranges,
lots of pitch trimming and main trim was way too sensitive at cruise... using
different hands to actuate the switches must have built something into my
bicameral brain... was a bit clumsy when transitioning from the right seat to
the left one. Not a Rocket problem.
Hey, my Rocket is just parts so far. Never flown one. Heard that manual
pitch trim was too sensitive in cruise... and some electric versions were
likewise, depending on how adjusted.
Comments from real flyers ?? John Meyers Golden, CO
HRII
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| Subject: | Re:Two Speed Elevator Trim |
Hi John,
I'm not sure I qualify as a real flyer, since I only fly a RV-3. :-)
However, I like your approach best of all that have been proposed.
I have a rocker switch on the "panel" for my electric trim. It is sensitive
in cruise.
Instead of a MAC governor, could a small resistor be used on the panel switch
to slow down the response of the MAC servo?
Jim Ayers
RV-3 N47RV
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| From: | "Erick Doty" <tfl4077(at)blackfoot.net> |
| Subject: | Re:Two Speed Elevator Trim |
Listers,
I am not new to the list, but I am new to rocket building. After
reading throught the archives and finding a post (thanks Mr. Linscomb)
of tools needed to build I think I am ready to start shopping. I am
ready to order an empenage, but would rather be ready to go when it
arrives instead of the other way around. I would like to hear from
anyone on their oppinions and preferences of tools. Or maybe any
additions/subtractions from Mr. Linscombs tool list.
Thanks in advance,
Erick Doty
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| From: | "Erick Doty" <tfl4077(at)blackfoot.net> |
Listers,
Oops. Sorry forgot to change my subject line in the first post. My
apologies.
Erick Doty
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| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re:Two Speed Elevator Trim |
Erick Doty
Welcome.
What part of the world are you in??
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA (APV)
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| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
| Subject: | Re:Two Speed Elevator Trim |
Here's one for you. I wish I had bought this at the beginning instead of 2
months ago. It is a 30 inch shear/brake/roll machine. These things are
$279 at Grizzley and they are a great timesaver. I couldn't live without it
now!
Russ
HRII
>I would like to hear from
> anyone on their oppinions and preferences of tools. Or maybe any
> additions/subtractions from Mr. Linscombs tool list.
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| From: | LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re:Two Speed Elevator Trim |
I didn't buy one cause the guy in the hanger just behind did.. nuther one of
our NWA guys, so I use his all the time.. Youre right, its a great time saver
but it lacks a little quality in the finished product.. sometimes i need to
do it over again.. Still a good buy.
Good to hear from you.. Im a short timer now, just 2 mos to go.. call when
you get in the area.. Larry
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| From: | "Erick Doty" <tfl4077(at)blackfoot.net> |
Listers.
Thanks to all for the responses on my tool questions.
My next question is for Eric Hansen whom I assume is a list member. I
would like to get in touch with Jim Cash. You said he lives in
Kalispell Montana? I am only about 40 minutes away in Thompson Falls.
I also seem to remember there being a Rocket builder in the Hamilton
area. Does anyone know his name. I can't seem to find the info again.
Erick Doty
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| From: | "Erick Doty" <tfl4077(at)blackfoot.net> |
| Subject: | Re:Two Speed Elevator Trim |
Tom,
I live in Thompson Falls Montana. Located inbetween Missoula Montana and
Spokane Washington.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Gummo <t.gummo(at)verizon.net>
Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re:Two Speed Elevator Trim
>
> Erick Doty
>
>Welcome.
>What part of the world are you in??
>
>Tom Gummo
>Apple Valley, CA (APV)
>
>
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| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: re: tool Thanks |
There is a gob of Rocket II builders in Idaho.
John
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| From: | sbutler <sbutler(at)ionet.net> |
| Subject: | Home this weekend |
I'm home this weekend. Are you? I'd like to see your project.
>Comments from real flyers ?? John Meyers Golden, CO
>HRII
L. Sherman Butler
Broomfield, CO
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| From: | "cctj001 {Thomas J. Linscomb}" <cctj001(at)forum.utexas.edu> |
| Subject: | F-1 Rocket tools update |
I would make the following changes after 14 months of experience on the
F-1 and probably about a 1/4 way through:
36 1016 Clecos #40 buy 100 instead of 200 (That is MISTER CLECO
to you!)
36 1017 Clecos #30 I got 25 suggest 50 instead (somebody loaned me
their bucket instead)
36 2019 Clecos #10 buy 20 (I added 10 more later)
48 58337 Wiss M6R bought these at Home Depot
48 58338 Wiss M7R bought these at Home Depot
49 004 Circle cutter 7/8" to 4" this thing sucks (I used it and
hate it!)
25 2140 Threaded drill bit, #40 st, I bought one each of these,
very funny! Get 5 of this.
25 2130 Threaded drill bit, #30 st, get 3 or 4
25 3112 Threaded drill bit, #12 sh, get 3 or 4
25 3114 Threaded drill bit, 1/4" s, a couple
6 10765 Mallet, I swear i didn't get this from avery but from Home
Depot
[Ignore the following comment about the squeezer. Get in on the current
sale from avery and get a C squeezer. This weekend I used it on the
fuselage and it was priceless.]
I bought a pneumatic squeezer and adjustable set. Maybe/maybe not. A C
squeezer will not work on the fuselage flanges so I used mine in trade with
another builder here who has a A squeezer. I bought the back riveting plate
later (got fed up not having it). Bought some hole cutting tools at Home
Depot. Bought a compressor at Lowe's. My most used tool is a drill press.
Makita 12V electric drill is the second. I have also got a rotozip and a
dremel. Do not have a band saw yet but I consider this crazy (I have done
way too much hand sawing). I bought a bench grinder a month back, have not
unboxed it. Bought numbered and fractional drill bit sizing guages. A
small file set and another medium file also. The shop head rivet gauge is
below, I also bought the other avery rivet gauge later.
[I now have the Ryobi BS900 band saw. It is too fast for steel, but works
alright on AL.]
24 935 Right angle drill attachment
This damn thing. I swear I have broken two of them through some kind of
mistreatment but I sure don't know how! I have managed to bend the shaft on
two of 'em. Either you have to get this or fork out for a angle pneumatic
drill. Mine wobbles and eats (breaks) threaded drill bits in some
situations.
I bought a top and bottom craftsman rollaround cabinet to put most all of
this in (probably another $700). A bunch of hand tools (wrenches, sockets,
screwdrivers), $200.
Have one work bench and need another. Need a vise. Have a decent hand vac.
Used a soloflex and shelving to hang the wings upright.
A small fan is a requirement when working inside the aft fuselage because of
the heat. Sharpie ultrafine point markers in black, red, blue (these may be
my most used tool actually). Have thicker sharpies but don't really use
them.
A builders square with a 16 ruler from home depot (don't get the cheaper
plastic one, experience).
The picture on the web site is of the list below in one (very small) pile.
Cost was just under $2,000.
[For brevity, i removed the tool list, see the archives.]
--Thomas
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| From: | DLinn30012(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Christen Inverted Oil |
Hi...yes, I have a used (350 hr) Christen inverted oil system for sale.
Dennis Linnekin 770-929-8866
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| From: | "cctj001 {Thomas J. Linscomb}" <cctj001(at)forum.utexas.edu> |
| Subject: | RE: Rocket-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 10/18/01 |
And to follow up my own article, I would drop the edge rolling tool from
Avery and get the vise grip version from Cleavland, it has been on my wish
list, just haven't made an order.
--Thomas
> From: "cctj001 {Thomas J. Linscomb}" <cctj001(at)forum.utexas.edu>
> Subject: Rocket-List: F-1 Rocket tools update
>
> Linscomb}"
>
>
> I would make the following changes after 14 months of
> experience on the
> F-1 and probably about a 1/4 way through:
>
[...]
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| From: | "Bryan Carr" <b.m.carr(at)telus.net> |
Has anyone used the glass spinner that Mark sells ? If so how good does
it fit?
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| Subject: | Re: F1 rocket kit still for sale and must sell ASAP |
In a message dated 10/2/2001 10:19:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
CW9371(at)aol.com writes:
>
> F1 rocket kit bye Team Rocket Aircraft for SALE
> Kit is partionally finished, excellent workmanship as the work was done by
>
> team rocket as this was to be there show plane.
> Kit includes complete RV8 tail. Just has to be mounted and finished.
> Kit also includes the following
> Ameri king ELT
> Vetterman Stainless exhust
> heat shielding
> team rocket throttle quadrent
> areoflash strobes
> I have pictures that can be emailed to anyone. I have about 35000 into the
>
> kit. I am asking 30,000 or best offer. Please email me or call for details
> on the
> kit. Please make and offer as i must sell this kit.
>
> Chris wilcox, Oshkosh WI
> (920) 858-7561 cell
> (920) 235-1082 work
> cw9371(at)aol.com
>
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| From: | MBragg001(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: F1 rocket kit still for sale and must sell ASAP |
I E-mailed you before ,
Another question , Where is the Kit?
Medford
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| From: | "R W Johnson" <rjohnson331(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Re: High Tech Throttle Quadrant |
Check out the throttle quadrents at:
www.metronet.com\~dreeves\djm\djmmfg.htm
Dick Johnson #59
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| From: | Elmshoot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: F1 rocket kit still for sale and must sell ASAP |
Chris,
I want to fly into OSH Tuesday 30 Oct to look over your Rocket Project. Can
you pick me up or is Appelton closer for you?
Tim Sparks
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| Subject: | Re: F1 rocket kit still for sale and must sell ASAP |
In a message dated 10/22/2001 11:37:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
Elmshoot(at)aol.com writes:
> I want to fly into OSH Tuesday 30 Oct to look over your Rocket Project. Can
> you pick me up or is Appelton closer for you?
> Tim Sparks
>
that would work and i can pick you up. I am about 15 mins from oshkosh
airport.
chris
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| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
Rocketeers,
I'm getting ready to order my canopy and am interested in opinions on what
you like and don't like about the current offerings. Mostly I'm interested
in optics, tint, and shape.
Whose do you like and whose do you hate!
Russ
HRII
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jandkstone(at)earthlink.net> |
I'm finishing up my tip over canopy and want to install a stop and brace
to hold the canopy in the full open position. Anyone got any ideas on a
good way to go? I've spent a few hours playing with a scissors
mechanism but couldn't get it to function perfectly and remain hidden in
the down position. What I need is the length of the scissors and the
attach points.
Anyone been down this road and have a solution?
Jim
Of course a picture would save many words.
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| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
Jim
The key to the sissor mechanism is to have your attach holes in the same
vertical plane hidden behind the cross member, one of them should be a
little higher than the other one so the bolt heads do not hit. Now what
makes it work is that the arms should be the same length but on one of the
arms the distance between the holes should be a little less than on the
other arm. A rule of thumb is one half the diametre of the bolt hole. There
still is a bit of trial and error here, my current setup works but has a
little rattle when in the taxi position.
Call me at 519-631-1369 if you have any further questions.
Tom Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Subject: Rocket-List: canopy
I'm finishing up my tip over canopy and want to install a stop and brace
to hold the canopy in the full open position. Anyone got any ideas on a
good way to go? I've spent a few hours playing with a scissors
mechanism but couldn't get it to function perfectly and remain hidden in
the down position. What I need is the length of the scissors and the
attach points.
Anyone been down this road and have a solution?
Jim
Of course a picture would save many words.
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
"rv-list(at)matronics.com"
Listers--
Following a recent thread on oil consumption and cylinder linings.
When my engine was built by LyCon (IO-540, but this will apply to
-320s/-360s, etc) I was told not to put in more than 8 qts in the 12 qt
sump. I still had a fairly dirty belly and had to add oil (Shell W100
Plus) about every 6-8 hrs. I assumed the oil consumption was because of
my style of take-offs and my inability to fly upright, in a straight
line for any length of time.
After talking with LyCon, again and a couple of local AP/IAs, I decided
to keep the sump oil at 7 qts. There has been no change in oil temps or
pressure and no change in CHT--however, my oil consumption after the
change shows that I'm now adding oil every 15-20 hrs, esp. on
continues, what the next oil analysis says and what happens when I do
some consecutive hrs of real aggressive flying.
The moral of the story is that every engine has its own sump level that
makes it happy and it would behoove everyone to experiment with this so
as to not be throwing away perfectly good oil into the atmosphere. The
minimum oil levels listed in the Lycoming manuals seem almost dangerous,
but, hey, they've been around for a long time.
Boyd
RV-Super 6
340 hrs
SE FL
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| From: | Captain Kaos <kaos(at)captainkaos.com> |
On 26/10/01 1:53 PM, "Jim Stone" wrote:
>
> I'm finishing up my tip over canopy and want to install a stop and brace
> to hold the canopy in the full open position. Anyone got any ideas on a
> good way to go? I've spent a few hours playing with a scissors
> mechanism but couldn't get it to function perfectly and remain hidden in
> the down position. What I need is the length of the scissors and the
> attach points.
> Anyone been down this road and have a solution?
> Jim
> Of course a picture would save many words.
Jim few of the rv guys down under use gas struts
This works really good
Dont have photo at this stage but can get you one
Captain kaos
Australia
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| From: | "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall(at)thegrid.net> |
Jim,I have the same problem, I am currently using a cable, but do not like
the fact that the wind could slam it shut, have tried scissors but they were
in the way of the rear stick, the cable tends to loop around the rear
stick,(Bad news) so when flying solo I remove rear stick, I have been trying
some sort of reel but no luck yet, if you come up with something other than
a mini stick or gas spring arrangement let the list know, take care Bob
Trk,CA RR-II.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Subject: Rocket-List: canopy
I'm finishing up my tip over canopy and want to install a stop and brace
to hold the canopy in the full open position. Anyone got any ideas on a
good way to go? I've spent a few hours playing with a scissors
mechanism but couldn't get it to function perfectly and remain hidden in
the down position. What I need is the length of the scissors and the
attach points.
Anyone been down this road and have a solution?
Jim
Of course a picture would save many words.
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
"rv-list(at)matronics.com"
| Subject: | Bug splats on BACK of propeller |
Howdy--
I was cleaning up after my last x-country and began to ponder the
definite bug parts that were splatted on the back side of my prop. I
expect them on the leading edges of airfoils and on high pressure areas
of the cowl and fuselage, but the back side of the prop? I've noticed
them all my life, but never pondered the seeming paradox of this.
How dat be???
Theory: To develop thrust, the low pressure has to be on the front side
of the prop and the high pressure on the backside, just like a wing
needs a pressure differential to lift. Can the pressure difference of a
prop turning make a bug be sucked around to the backside?--or should it
keep the bugs away?
And, yes, I'm flying faster than the bugs.
Boyd
Super 6
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| From: | "Robert Sather" <sather1(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bug splats on BACK of propeller |
Well, number one forget high pressure and low pressure. If the bugs were on
the front side of prop you would be flying backwards. Which side of the
prop is cutting into the wind front or back. Its the back and anything in
its way become splattered on to that surface.
----- Original Message -----
From: Boyd C. Braem <bcbraem(at)home.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Bug splats on BACK of propeller
>
> Howdy--
>
> I was cleaning up after my last x-country and began to ponder the
> definite bug parts that were splatted on the back side of my prop. I
> expect them on the leading edges of airfoils and on high pressure areas
> of the cowl and fuselage, but the back side of the prop? I've noticed
> them all my life, but never pondered the seeming paradox of this.
>
> How dat be???
>
> Theory: To develop thrust, the low pressure has to be on the front side
> of the prop and the high pressure on the backside, just like a wing
> needs a pressure differential to lift. Can the pressure difference of a
> prop turning make a bug be sucked around to the backside?--or should it
> keep the bugs away?
>
> And, yes, I'm flying faster than the bugs.
>
> Boyd
> Super 6
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
Jim,
I have several photos of a Rocket under construction that show the tip up
and a gas cartridge strut. Let me know and I can email them to you (or
anyone else). All files total 311kb.
Russ
Maui
HRII
>
> I'm finishing up my tip over canopy and want to install a stop and brace
> to hold the canopy in the full open position. Anyone got any ideas on a
> good way to go? I've spent a few hours playing with a scissors
> mechanism but couldn't get it to function perfectly and remain hidden in
> the down position. What I need is the length of the scissors and the
> attach points.
> Anyone been down this road and have a solution?
> Jim
> Of course a picture would save many words.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian E. Adams" <md11plt(at)attglobal.net> |
Russ,
Could you please send me those photos. I am just finishing up installing
the cowling and the canopy will soon follow. Thank you.
My email address is: md11plt(at)attglobal.net
Brian Adams
Original HR II builder
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Russ.
I would like that. By the way would you have the travail of the
flap arm and the floor, or drawing showing this travel. I have moved the
flap arm aft 2 in. this will shorten the flap arms
Frank Roncelli (frankr@c-s.net)
----- Original Message -----
From: Russ Werner <russ(at)maui.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: canopy
>
> Jim,
>
> I have several photos of a Rocket under construction that show the tip up
> and a gas cartridge strut. Let me know and I can email them to you (or
> anyone else). All files total 311kb.
>
> Russ
> Maui
> HRII
>
>
> >
> > I'm finishing up my tip over canopy and want to install a stop and brace
> > to hold the canopy in the full open position. Anyone got any ideas on a
> > good way to go? I've spent a few hours playing with a scissors
> > mechanism but couldn't get it to function perfectly and remain hidden in
> > the down position. What I need is the length of the scissors and the
> > attach points.
> > Anyone been down this road and have a solution?
> > Jim
> > Of course a picture would save many words.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
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| From: | "gretz aero" <warrengretz(at)gretzaero.com> |
"Tailwind-List" ,
"RV-List" ,
"Rocket-List" ,
"Lancair-List" ,
"Glasair-List" ,
"EZ-List" ,
"Avionics-List" ,
"AeroElectric-List"
| Subject: | Heated Pitot Tube |
Hello to the List,
If you are interested in a heated pitot tube and a great looking
mounting bracket to put on your aircraft, you may want to look at my
website at http://www.gretzaero.com
There you will see that I have two different pitot tubes available. I
also manufacture a very nice looking mounting bracket kit for the
installation of the pitot tube of your choice. The chrome finish of the
mounting bracket matches the finish of the pitot tube. Or, you may
choose a paintable surface mounting bracket.
I am offering a very special deal on the purchase of my PH502-12CR pitot
tube which is $130, IF, YOU MENTION AT THE TIME OF THE ORDER, YOU SAW
THIS SPECIAL ON THIS E-MAIL LIST. This is a $5 savings on my already low
price of $135. My prices always include shipping in the US.
I hope to hear from you soon.
Warren Gretz
Gretz Aero
303-770-3811
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "gretz aero" <warrengretz(at)gretzaero.com> |
"Tailwind-List" ,
"RV-List" ,
"Rocket-List" ,
"Lancair-List" ,
"Glasair-List" ,
"EZ-List" ,
"Avionics-List" ,
"AeroElectric-List"
| Subject: | Electric trim cable kits and servo motor kits |
Hello to the List,
I have Electric Elevator Trim Cable Kits and Servo Motor Kits that you
may want to consider using during building or up-grading for electric
elevator trim. On my website http://www.gretzaero.com you will find my
page on Alternative Electric Elevator Trim Kits. There you will see the
information you need to consider for the use of this kit on your
aircraft.
Something that is not yet on the website and is my newest kit, is the
Servo Motor Kit. You will need this kit for the installation of my Trim
Cable Kit and now you will not have to order it from another source.
This Servo Motor Kit consists of the Ray Allen Company T3-12A servo
(formally MAC Servo 8A), an LED position indicator, and a rocker switch.
This servo kit is $235 including shipping in the US. I also have the Ray
Allen Co. Relay Deck which is needed if you want to have more control
switches than the supplied rocker switch in line. This Relay Deck is
$34.50 if it is ordered at the same time as the Servo Kit.
I hope to hear from you soon.
Warren Gretz
Gretz Aero
303-770-3811
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| From: | "Ed Anderson" <eanderson(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: RV-List: Bug splats on BACK of propeller |
Subject: Re: RV-List: Bug splats on BACK of propeller
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Ed Anderson"
>
>
> > Howdy--
> >
> > I was cleaning up after my last x-country and began to ponder the
> > definite bug parts that were splatted on the back side of my prop. I
> > expect them on the leading edges of airfoils and on high pressure areas
> > of the cowl and fuselage, but the back side of the prop? I've noticed
> > them all my life, but never pondered the seeming paradox of this.
> >
> > How dat be???
> >
> > Theory: To develop thrust, the low pressure has to be on the front side
> > of the prop and the high pressure on the backside, just like a wing
> > needs a pressure differential to lift. Can the pressure difference of a
> > prop turning make a bug be sucked around to the backside?--or should it
> > keep the bugs away?
> >
> > And, yes, I'm flying faster than the bugs.
> >
> > Boyd
> > Super 6
>
>
> Hi Boyd,
>
> Actually, I would offer an alternative explanation, it sounds like the
bugs
> ARE flying faster than you. In fact, it would appear they are flying
> sufficiently faster than you that they are able catch up with and to smash
> themselves on the back side of your propeller blades. WELL, that is one
> possible explanation {:>).
>
> Actually, my opinion (in lieu of scientific data), I think the blade does
> not necessarily pull the bug around to the back side to swat it. I think
if
> you visualize the prop as it it turns that the back side of the prop
always
> proceeds the front side of the prop as it turns in the circle. So if you
> were stationary in a bug filled room with the spinning prop the back side
> would be cutting a swath through the bug layer with only a few flying
into
> the front blade of the prop. In fact, they would have to accelerate to a
> radial speed at least slightly exceeding the radial velocity of a part of
> the front of the prop. Then of course the bug would more than likely
elect
> to aim for the slowest moving part of the prop near the hub where of
course
> the impact damage would be minimal. Its unlikely the bug could catch the
> out part of the front side of the blade as it would be traveling close to
> sonic. Ergo, bugs would have to work much harder to kill them selves on
the
> front side of the blade, wereas they would simply have to wait for the
back
> side of the blade to swat them. I predicit bugs will probably take the
> lowest energy course to their demise and wait for the back side of the
prop
> rather than frantically chasing the front side of the blade to crash into.
>
> Whew. I trust this argument has sufficient scientific rigor to satisfy
the
> most casual observer {:>)
>
> Really like you Super 6
>
> Ed Anderson
> RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
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| From: | "Bettis GW (Gary) at Aera" <gwbettis(at)aeraenergy.com> |
Jim,
I have pictures of our HRII under construction that has a tip over canopy using
a scissors type mechanism which is hidden and functions quite well. I can e-mail
to those interested.
Russ,
I would be interested in your gas cartridge photos for future consideration. Please
send to gbettis(at)bak.rr.com
Gary
Bakersfield
HRII
>
>Jim,
>
>I have several photos of a Rocket under construction that show the tip up
>and a gas cartridge strut. Let me know and I can email them to you (or
>anyone else). All files total 311kb.
>
>Russ
>Maui
>HRII
>
>
> I'm finishing up my tip over canopy and want to install a stop and brace
> to hold the canopy in the full open position. Anyone got any ideas on a
> good way to go? I've spent a few hours playing with a scissors
> mechanism but couldn't get it to function perfectly and remain hidden in
> the down position. What I need is the length of the scissors and the
> attach points.
> Anyone been down this road and have a solution?
> Jim
> Of course a picture would save many words.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RTNeilsen(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: RV-List: Bug splats on BACK of propeller |
Wow, You guys are really beating this bug thing to death!
It's simple, the best props are only 80% efficient. When producing
thrust, the prop is going faster than you! (relative angle of attack of the
prop airfoil is high)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russ Werner" <russ(at)maui.net> |
Okay, after much prodding, I'm finally starting to organize the web site!
Since it comes up first on many search engines, I might as well make it
useful. Progress is slow on the page, as I'd rather be building my plane!
Site address is:
http://www.maui.net/~russ/rocket/
Suggestions are welcome as well as Rocket specific links. I think we
already have enough links for RV stuff! Some RV4 stuff could be useful
however.
Aloha and keep building,
Russ Werner
HRII, the original
Maui, Hawaii
Search engine keywords: link links web website photo photos
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| Subject: | Re: Harmon rocket down :( |
Aircraft Registry lists the owner as James Thomson
**** 10/29/2001 Preliminary Accident/Incident Data Record 3 ****
A. Type: A Mid Air: N Missing: N Entry date: 10/29/2001
From: WESTERN PACIFIC REGION OPERATIONS CENTER
B. Reg. No.: 325L M/M: EXP Desc: EXP-HARMON ROCKET II
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Unknown GA-A/C: General Aviation
Descr: EXPERIMENTAL ACFT PILOT DECLARED AN EMERGENCY DUE TO A
ROUGH-RUNNING ENGINE BEFORE CRASHING INTO A FIELD 3 MILES SOUTH
OF
MARCH AFB, MORENO VALLEY, CA.
Wx: UNKN
Damage: Substantial
C2. Injury Data: # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
D. Location. City: MORENO VALLEY State: CA Country: US
E. Event Date: 10/27/2001 Time: 2230
F. Invest Coverage. IIC: Reg/DO: WP21 DO City: RIVERSIDE
DO State: CA Others: NTSB
G. Flt Handling. Dep Pt: MORENO VALLEY, CA Dep Date: 10/27/2001 Time:
Dest: UNKN Last Radio Cont: UNKN Flt Plan: UNK
Last Clearance: UNKN WX Briefing: U
Other:
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Norman" <nhunger(at)sprint.ca> |
,
"AeroElectric List"
I want to light my panel from the lip of my glairsheild which is five inches
from the panel. It is an RV6 glairsheild that is untrimmed. I bough a few
strip lights from JC Whitney http://www.jcwhitney.com/ bendable strip lights
in white 20BB0457Y. $12 USD for 5'. When I tested them out in my darkened
shop they weren't bright enough but I liked the format. I also didn't like
the quality of wire that they are put together with. So I desoldered them
and painstakingly soldered the bulbs onto some of my wire and made the bulbs
as close together as I could. I shoved them back in the nifty white plastic
strip and tested them out. They appear great, I'm almost positive they will
do the job. They claim 40,000 hour bulb life.
Recently I've been turned onto LED's from Ledtronics
http://www.ledtronics.com/ . They make a strip light with low profile bulbs
that are 1/2 inch apart PLT-210-OCW but the price is a whopping $96 a foot.
I need around four feet so they're out.
So now I notice that JC Whitney has Wolo LED light bars for dressing up a
vehicle's exterior. $15 USD for 14 inches with 50 LEDs part number
15BB7505U. I wonder what color the bulbs are as the catalog only indicates
the color of the lens in the casing. These might work well when stripped
apart if the bulbs are white. Anyone care to try some thing new?
Regards,
Norman Hunger
RV6A Delta BC
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| From: | SixShooters1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Panel Lighting |
Try calling Werner Berry. I hear that he has some interior panel lighting
that is currently being used by Micco Aircraft. His number is 714-838-8946.
God Bless!
Scott Brown - President
Six-Shooters Embroidery, Inc.
scott@six-shooters.com">scott@six-shooters.com
For the most complete selection of aviation accessories and school apparel,
visit us at www.six-shooters.com .
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi guys. Please send me the info on your canopy scissors. TT in Indy
(hr69gt@aol)
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| From: | "Jack Hodge" <jnchodge(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Harmon rocket down :( |
Has anyone heard anymore on this one? It's in my backyard and I haven't
heard or read a thing. Jack, HRII 584JH flying.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CW9371(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Harmon rocket down :(
>
> Aircraft Registry lists the owner as James Thomson
>
> **** 10/29/2001 Preliminary Accident/Incident Data Record 3 ****
> A. Type: A Mid Air: N Missing: N Entry date: 10/29/2001
> From: WESTERN PACIFIC REGION OPERATIONS CENTER
>
> B. Reg. No.: 325L M/M: EXP Desc: EXP-HARMON ROCKET II
> Activity: Pleasure Phase: Unknown GA-A/C: General Aviation
> Descr: EXPERIMENTAL ACFT PILOT DECLARED AN EMERGENCY DUE TO A
> ROUGH-RUNNING ENGINE BEFORE CRASHING INTO A FIELD 3 MILES SOUTH
> OF
> MARCH AFB, MORENO VALLEY, CA.
>
> Wx: UNKN
> Damage: Substantial
> C2. Injury Data: # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
> # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
> D. Location. City: MORENO VALLEY State: CA Country: US
> E. Event Date: 10/27/2001 Time: 2230
> F. Invest Coverage. IIC: Reg/DO: WP21 DO City: RIVERSIDE
> DO State: CA Others: NTSB
> G. Flt Handling. Dep Pt: MORENO VALLEY, CA Dep Date: 10/27/2001 Time:
> Dest: UNKN Last Radio Cont: UNKN Flt Plan: UNK
> Last Clearance: UNKN WX Briefing: U
> Other:
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: F1 rocket kit still for sale and must sell ASAP |
> F1 rocket kit bye Team Rocket Aircraft for SALE
> > Kit is partionally finished, excellent workmanship as the work was done
> by
> >
> > team rocket as this was to be there show plane.
> > Kit includes complete RV8 tail. Just has to be mounted and finished.
> > Kit also includes the following
> > Ameri king ELT
> > Vetterman Stainless exhust
> > heat shielding
> > team rocket throttle quadrent
> > areoflash strobes
> > I have pictures that can be emailed to anyone. I have about 35000 into
> the
> >
> > kit. I am asking 30,000 or best offer. Please email me or call for
> details
> > on the
> > kit. Please make and offer as i must sell this kit.
> >
> > Chris wilcox, Oshkosh WI
> > (920) 858-7561 cell
> > (920) 235-1082 work
> > cw9371(at)aol.com
>
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| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
On my way to the paint shop I did some speed runs yesterday. I am going to
do the same runs again after paint to see if there will be any difference.
All runs were done at a pressure altitude of 8000 feet, 2.1C. The maximum
manifold pressure I could get was 21.8" at all rpm settings. This with the
ram door open. Someone with charts could tell me but I am guessing that at
this MP that 2500 rpm would be 75% power. All speeds were calculated using
a GPS formula involving three speeds and three tracks. The results were
pretty consistant
2500 rpm 200.5 knots 231 mph
2400 rpm 197 knots 227 mph
2300 rpm 195.2 knots 225 mph
2100 rpm 189.6 knots 218 mph
I only leaned at 2300 and 2100 rpm with fuel flows of 13 gph and 11.1 gph.
190 knots on eleven gallons is pretty cool!!!
Tom Martin
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jandkstone(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Canopy Scissors for tip over style |
I am happy to report success in a scissors design. If anyone is
interested just let me know, I'll be glad to provide details. The
scissors mechanism is all you need, forget about the gas strut, it is
not needed and it is inferior to the scissors when it comes to being
sure the canopy ain't going to get blown off by wind or the prop blast
of another aircraft.
Jim Stone
Louisville
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| From: | "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall(at)thegrid.net> |
| Subject: | Canopy Scissors for tip over style |
Jim, how about posting your scissors to the list, that way it goes into the
archive, Besides I need something different than my cable, thanks from all
of us . Bob Trk,CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Subject: Rocket-List: Canopy Scissors for tip over style
I am happy to report success in a scissors design. If anyone is
interested just let me know, I'll be glad to provide details. The
scissors mechanism is all you need, forget about the gas strut, it is
not needed and it is inferior to the scissors when it comes to being
sure the canopy ain't going to get blown off by wind or the prop blast
of another aircraft.
Jim Stone
Louisville
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Canopy Scissors for tip over style |
I can attest to that, had my Rocket turn into a convertible in Austin TX
after the canopy blew open with a gas strut.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Subject: Rocket-List: Canopy Scissors for tip over style
I am happy to report success in a scissors design. If anyone is
interested just let me know, I'll be glad to provide details. The
scissors mechanism is all you need, forget about the gas strut, it is
not needed and it is inferior to the scissors when it comes to being
sure the canopy ain't going to get blown off by wind or the prop blast
of another aircraft.
Jim Stone
Louisville
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy Scissors for tip over style |
Sign me up.
Tom Gummo
canopy on a cable, taxi testing about to start
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Stone" <jandkstone(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: Canopy Scissors for tip over style
>
> I am happy to report success in a scissors design. If anyone is
> interested just let me know, I'll be glad to provide details. The
> scissors mechanism is all you need, forget about the gas strut, it is
> not needed and it is inferior to the scissors when it comes to being
> sure the canopy ain't going to get blown off by wind or the prop blast
> of another aircraft.
> Jim Stone
> Louisville
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jandkstone(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Canopy Scissors Mechanism |
Canopy Scissors Mechanism
I feel the scissors mechanism is the most reliable canopy support
option. It will hold your canopy fully open with no worry of it opening
too far or falling closed. The cable of course only works to limit
opening, and does not prevent slamming shut. The gas struts can work as
well as the scissors if it is long enough, and strong enough. The
problem is, it becomes obtrusive the bigger it gets. I have heard
stories (Earnest Hale to name one) of canopies departing airframes that
had gas struts limiting their travel.
The following narrative describes my mechanism.
1. The attachment points are on the centerlines of both the roll bar
and the crossover brace of the canopy frame. With the canopy closed,
the upper attach point should be directly above the lower attach point
with about 1" separation vertically.
2. The lower attach point is made from 4130 steel .040" with the edges
rolled forward for rigidity. The dimensions are 4 1/2" across the top,
1 3/4" across the bottom, and 1 3/4 " high (these are the finished
dimensions after rolls/bends were made). The bolt hole is located 1
1/4" below the bottom of the roll bar.
3. The upper attach point is made from some sort of a 3/4" spacer
material, or a piece of plate bent in a U shape with a platenut on the
fwd portion with the aft portion riveted to the crossover brace. This
spacer locates the arms forward so they will miss the lower flange of
the crossover. I used a part I don't even know what it is called or
where you could get one, a friend gave it to me and he got it from
Boeing salvage. The bolt or screw in the upper attach should be located
high on the cross brace, I came down 1/4" from the upper flange.
4. The upper and lower arms are made from 3/4x3/4x.063 angle, cut the
flange off on a band saw, you could also use plate material of your
choice. The upper arm is 9 1/4" overall with 8 3/8" between bolt
centers. The lower arm is 10" overall with 8 3/8" between bolt centers.
The lower arm is longer to allow an optional hole to accommodate a
locking pin if builder feels the need.
5. I used #10 washerhead screws but you could also use AN-3 bolts.
Since all the canopy frames are built by hand and later bent to fit
each fuselage, there will likely be some variations between them. As a
result, my numbers may not work perfectly for you, but they should be
close, and will certainly save you many hours of trial and error. Let
me know if you have any questions and feel free to call for further
details. I have some pictures available too, just include you email
address in the text.
Jim Stone
502 228-8572
Louisville KY (EST).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jandkstone(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Correction to Scissors discription |
The thickness of the upper and lower arms are 1/8" vice .063 as stated
in the original post. This thickness gives a solid look and function.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: O-540 for sale |
Lycoming 0-540 for sale... 235 HP, all logs, all accessories, complete
$6700.00
Sam Fly, 972-399-8803, samfly(at)gte.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Genave Marker Receiver Wiring Info |
Does any one have a wiring diagram for a Genave #D 303 Marker Beacon receiver?
The plug has only 4 wires....
1.Green & White
2. Red and white with thin blue stripe
3. Black and white with thin red stripe
4. Purple and white
I would assume power, ground, audio, and ?
Thanks
Rob Mokry
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| From: | "John Starn" <jhstarn(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Well it's about that time of year again....... |
WHAT !!!!!!!! Ya gota tug at da hart strings and bea shamen us, dat's part
of whats maken deese lists great. We bea needen 2 be kicked in the pants
sews we ken create mundane and silly responces dat keep the lists 'live anda
verken. KABONG :
) (Y yes I did, every year. Did U)
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Mojzisik <prober(at)iwaynet.net>
Subject: RV-List: Well it's about that time of year again.......
> --> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik
>
> RV-Listers,
>
> I would just like to point out that it's November first and experienced
I won't be tugging at your heart
> strings this year and I won't be trying to shame you into donating. I'm
> just going to leave it up to you to do the right thing for your
> situation. > USMail: Matronics
> c/o Matt Dralle
> PO Box 347
> Livermore CA 94551
> Al Mojzisik
> InAir Instruments, LLC
> Lift Reserve Indicator (LRI)
> AOA and SO much more!
> http://www.liftreserve.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
"rv-list(at)matronics.com"
| Subject: | Navaid Intercepting a Course |
Howdy--
This morning Joe Wiza and I flew the shakedown flight of his
Navaid/Smart Coupler II attached by an A-B switch to a Garmin 295 on the
left and a 195 on the right, attacjed to the instrument panel with RAM
swivel mounts (beautiful things).
Someone had posted a note a while back saying the Navaid will not
intercept a course. Well, flying on either the 295 or 195 (you have to
remember to turn ON the NMEA DATA OUT command in each GPS unit) it
locked on to track 081 to Arcadia (X06) then made a turn and intercepted
211 degrees (a 130 degree turn) to Charlotte County (PGD). A nearest/GO
TO command brought it around to 261 and back to VNC.
There was a slow oscillating, small excursion wing rock as it made
corrections tracking course, however, there was a 20 kt headwind
slightly off the nose, so we'll have to repeat things in calmer
conditions and see if the wing rock persists. It's also possible the
servo gain is set just a little too high.
Boyd
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| From: | "Boyd C. Braem" <bcbraem(at)home.com> |
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| Subject: | Smart Coupler For Sale |
Have a brand new Smart Coupler II for sale at the old price of $200.
Currently selling for $250. Navaid sent me the AutoPilot with the
SmartCoupler built in, so I don't need the separate unit. It will buy
Joe and me lots of beer while we discuss the world's problems.
Boyd.
RV-Super 6
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| From: | philip condon <pcondon(at)mitre.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket F1 & HR Propellers |
I am trying to assertain what F/P propellers the EAA flying team that
flew the Christian Eagles byplanes used. These Eagles used narrowdeck,
I/O 540's with a fixed pitched props. I understand that akro isn't the
Rockets mission, but the Eagles did fly pretty fast, did hard akro and
never had a prop seperate or break up (as far as I know)....I am
researching a fixed pitched prop and trying to determin the limits of
its performance, cost and usefullness on a Rocket. Does any on the list
have a any ideas, news or comments on a F/P prop. I am not trying to do
the 1970's mistake and do a cut-down prop from a GA aircraft....I
understand that problem......Comments??/
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| From: | Scot Stambaugh <sstambaugh(at)qualcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Genave Marker Receiver Wiring Info |
Hey rob. When are we going to hear more about your airplane with the cool
new wing? I am very interested in performance numbers and even some
current pictures.
scot
>
>
>Does any one have a wiring diagram for a Genave #D 303 Marker Beacon receiver?
>The plug has only 4 wires....
>1.Green & White
>2. Red and white with thin blue stripe
>3. Black and white with thin red stripe
>4. Purple and white
>
>I would assume power, ground, audio, and ?
>Thanks
>Rob Mokry
>
>
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| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Genave Marker Receiver Wiring Info |
Huh me?.....
It's been unusual times. I've had some setbacks the last few months. To include
a
few -trapped under SFO's "enhanced class bravo", I had to send my prop back to
Hartzell as the front spinner plate failed over water in a flight to Catalina
Island and the spinner got into the blade roots a bit, and I took a nice vacation
in Fl. Fortunately all three elements had a measure of overlap with each other.
The speeds I've been able to obtain are GPS averages 243 mph @6,000' and 25 sq.,
appear to be inline with the standard airfoil. Perhaps the specific airfoil we
chose has to much camber and as the speed increases the center of lift moves
rearward causing an increasing pitching down which requires a counter trim up
action. The increased trim drag offsets the laminar flow efficiencies. Not to
worry...We have two newer designs one being very similar to this one with less
camber and a newer (almost) symetrical airfoil with much less camber than the
original Van's airfoil. So the CAD jockeys are busy again.
Cosmetics - the 12" numbers are gone! The fiberglass pieces are more smooth and
shot in grey primer. The anti-shootdown camoflage paint is still in force - no
paint till I decide which wing!
The plane is making it's way to IFR ready and performed quite well on an IFR flight
from Santa Monica to Half Moon Bay last Sunday. In the soup, altitude holding is
the toughest for me as these planes climb to well and easily! As long as I mention
the up and down drafts to center they don't seem to mind - to much.
Misc. My Matco break resovoirs leak to much - I would use the Clevelands If I
hadn't already bought these.
Thats about it for now but most importantly, thanks to John and the guys who have
helped along the way!
Scot Stambaugh wrote:
>
> Hey rob. When are we going to hear more about your airplane with the cool
> new wing? I am very interested in performance numbers and even some
> current pictures.
>
> scot
>
> >
> >
> >Does any one have a wiring diagram for a Genave #D 303 Marker Beacon receiver?
> >The plug has only 4 wires....
> >1.Green & White
> >2. Red and white with thin blue stripe
> >3. Black and white with thin red stripe
> >4. Purple and white
> >
> >I would assume power, ground, audio, and ?
> >Thanks
> >Rob Mokry
> >
> >
>
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| From: | Rob Mokry <robmokry(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Genave Marker Receiver Wiring Info |
I forgot a clarification - 243 mph Ground speed.
Rob Mokry wrote:
>
> Huh me?.....
>
> It's been unusual times. I've had some setbacks the last few months. To include
a
> few -trapped under SFO's "enhanced class bravo", I had to send my prop back to
> Hartzell as the front spinner plate failed over water in a flight to Catalina
> Island and the spinner got into the blade roots a bit, and I took a nice vacation
> in Fl. Fortunately all three elements had a measure of overlap with each other.
>
> The speeds I've been able to obtain are GPS averages 243 mph @6,000' and 25 sq.,
> appear to be inline with the standard airfoil. Perhaps the specific airfoil
we
> chose has to much camber and as the speed increases the center of lift moves
> rearward causing an increasing pitching down which requires a counter trim up
> action. The increased trim drag offsets the laminar flow efficiencies. Not
to
> worry...We have two newer designs one being very similar to this one with less
> camber and a newer (almost) symetrical airfoil with much less camber than the
> original Van's airfoil. So the CAD jockeys are busy again.
>
> Cosmetics - the 12" numbers are gone! The fiberglass pieces are more smooth and
> shot in grey primer. The anti-shootdown camoflage paint is still in force -
no
> paint till I decide which wing!
>
> The plane is making it's way to IFR ready and performed quite well on an IFR
flight
> from Santa Monica to Half Moon Bay last Sunday. In the soup, altitude holding
is
> the toughest for me as these planes climb to well and easily! As long as I mention
> the up and down drafts to center they don't seem to mind - to much.
>
> Misc. My Matco break resovoirs leak to much - I would use the Clevelands If
I
> hadn't already bought these.
> Thats about it for now but most importantly, thanks to John and the guys who
have
> helped along the way!
>
> Scot Stambaugh wrote:
>
> >
> > Hey rob. When are we going to hear more about your airplane with the cool
> > new wing? I am very interested in performance numbers and even some
> > current pictures.
> >
> > scot
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Does any one have a wiring diagram for a Genave #D 303 Marker Beacon receiver?
> > >The plug has only 4 wires....
> > >1.Green & White
> > >2. Red and white with thin blue stripe
> > >3. Black and white with thin red stripe
> > >4. Purple and white
> > >
> > >I would assume power, ground, audio, and ?
> > >Thanks
> > >Rob Mokry
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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| From: | Scot Stambaugh <sstambaugh(at)qualcomm.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Genave Marker Receiver Wiring Info |
Thanks Rob...... very exciting stuff. Good luck with the new
airfoils. I, for one, will be very interested in your progress.
scot
>
>Huh me?.....
>
>It's been unusual times. I've had some setbacks the last few months. To
>include a
>few -trapped under SFO's "enhanced class bravo", I had to send my prop back to
>Hartzell as the front spinner plate failed over water in a flight to Catalina
>Island and the spinner got into the blade roots a bit, and I took a nice
>vacation
>in Fl. Fortunately all three elements had a measure of overlap with each
>other.
>
>The speeds I've been able to obtain are GPS averages 243 mph @6,000' and
>25 sq.,
>appear to be inline with the standard airfoil. Perhaps the specific
>airfoil we
>chose has to much camber and as the speed increases the center of lift moves
>rearward causing an increasing pitching down which requires a counter trim up
>action. The increased trim drag offsets the laminar flow
>efficiencies. Not to
>worry...We have two newer designs one being very similar to this one with less
>camber and a newer (almost) symetrical airfoil with much less camber than the
>original Van's airfoil. So the CAD jockeys are busy again.
>
>Cosmetics - the 12" numbers are gone! The fiberglass pieces are more
>smooth and
>shot in grey primer. The anti-shootdown camoflage paint is still in force
>- no
>paint till I decide which wing!
>
>The plane is making it's way to IFR ready and performed quite well on an
>IFR flight
>from Santa Monica to Half Moon Bay last Sunday. In the soup, altitude
>holding is
>the toughest for me as these planes climb to well and easily! As long as
>I mention
>the up and down drafts to center they don't seem to mind - to much.
>
>Misc. My Matco break resovoirs leak to much - I would use the Clevelands If I
>hadn't already bought these.
>Thats about it for now but most importantly, thanks to John and the guys
>who have
>helped along the way!
>
>Scot Stambaugh wrote:
>
> >
> > Hey rob. When are we going to hear more about your airplane with the cool
> > new wing? I am very interested in performance numbers and even some
> > current pictures.
> >
> > scot
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Does any one have a wiring diagram for a Genave #D 303 Marker Beacon
> receiver?
> > >The plug has only 4 wires....
> > >1.Green & White
> > >2. Red and white with thin blue stripe
> > >3. Black and white with thin red stripe
> > >4. Purple and white
> > >
> > >I would assume power, ground, audio, and ?
> > >Thanks
> > >Rob Mokry
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: F/P Prop Data ( propeller ) |
In a message dated 11/6/2001 11:03:38 AM Central Standard Time,
pcondon(at)mitre.org writes:
Lots snipped
<< thats
the extent of any 'scientific' research here. I am doing
"guilt-by-association" engineering here, nothing more. >>
Hey Phil:
It might be possible to do what you're thinking about..but...
You'll need about 100" or more of pitch and about 76" diameter, and it's
gonna take a LOT of HP to turn that baby on takeoff. You're talking about a
ship that will indicate about 200KT WFO at 8000'...do the math for the
necessary pitch -- it's a bunch! Then you have to get the blade area and
diameter right to keep the engine loaded at altitude, at cruise power....then
when you arrive in the pattern, it will be difficult to slow down -- the idle
thrust might be too much, and require a belly board or such.
Now, if you're willing to give up some cruise performance and/or economy
(you'll be turning 2400+ rpm likely, and this will limit your ability to lean
effectively), it just might work. Most of any airplane is a compromise, so
you have to decide which direction you want to compromise towards.
Heck -- it's labeled experimental -- experiment with it!
You refer to the FP RVs staying with the CS RVs or sometimes actually
outrunning them: I've done this when I was in my -4. The problem is the blade
designation used on the CS RV ships -- it's the same as used by the slower
Mooneys, so it isn't exactly right for the faster RVs (the helix [twist]
angle is wrong). You see, a CS blade has to be tuned just like a FP blade for
whatever indicated airspeed and RPM are desired. Both are less efficient at
anything other than the designed speed/rpm combo.
The Rockets, because we use the 540, have the advantage of using blades
designed for faster 540 equipped ships, so it just so happens that we can get
the correct cruise blades (or seaplane blades for an amazing climb).
I don't know who said it: Speed costs money; how fast ya want to go?
So:
We're investigating the use of the LOM supercharged 6 cyl motor (M337AK) --
this engine looks like it will be available with all FWF equipment (prop,
gov, etc) for about $25-28K USD. AND it will run on auto gas AND have full
inverted systems. AND it will be 60 LB lighter. The factory is backing us on
this, and they know they'll need new prop blades to be efficient at our
speeds. Stay tuned!
Cheers!
Mark
Team Rocket LP
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| Subject: | Re: F/P Prop Data ( propeller ) |
Say Mark,
Did you forget to mention that the LOM engine can be a single lever
operation?
Jim Ayers
RV-3 N47RV LOM M332A (no mixture control - automatic altitude compensating
fuel system.)
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| Subject: | Re: F/P Prop Data ( propeller ) |
In a message dated 11/6/2001 9:49:28 PM Central Standard Time,
LesDrag(at)aol.com writes:
<< Did you forget to mention that the LOM engine can be a single lever
operation? >>
I think you still get to manipulate the RPM...
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 11/06/01 |
: Re: F/P Prop Data ( propeller )
Remember what the British Spitfire had when it first flew? Look at some
photos ~~ and notice the pitch! Controllable props are nice, I had a
Beech-Roby (manually crank it to change pitch) on my 1946 Funk in the early
'60's. It was inefficient compared to today's props, thick wooden blades,
but still allowed a good increase in cruise @ altitude & decrease in T/O
distance.
My Aero Engineer consultant has told me many times it takes more work to
design the "optimum" propeller for an aircraft than it does to design the
aircraft. However this was before all the computer programs we have today but
still says how complex these problems are. He has often also commented the
optimum propeller for cruise will cruise faster than a C/S and the optimum
propeller for takeoff/climb will likewise be more efficient in that area.
Nothing is free, even the cheaper props :-) Must pay for it somewhere to get
the best in any one area.
Elbie
Elbie Mendenhall, EM aviation, LLC www.riteangle.com EAA 38308
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| Subject: | Re: F/P Prop Data ( propeller ) |
You don't have a prop control if the V503 prop works on the M337AK. :-)
Jim Ayers
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 11/06/01 |
You're talking prototype. Right?
I don't recall the Spitfire production models having a FP wood prop.
Jim Ayers
RV-3 N47RV LOM M332A
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| From: | philip condon <pcondon(at)mitre.org> |
| Subject: | Re: More on Rocket Props |
Very Good discussion points in the C/S Vrs. the F/P prop and the speeds
the Rocket operate at (both hi and low speed end). John Harmon (for a
pictire of John see Kit Planes magazine, December 2001 issue pp.100 or
so) in a very early 1993 Harmon Rocket article I have stated that he
(has tried) a Cessna 180 prop. John now is advocating another Hartzell
prop, however, I wonder if the Cessna prop would work "good enough" and
be a alternative to the 6800$ new Hartzell CS prop. Servicable and
useable 180 props can be had for 1800 to 3000$. Also, the Cessna 180/185
sea plane prop, being somewhat longer, was said to be a possibility (for
a Rocket). Anyone have any data the Cessna prop or John's decision to
try another ?
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| From: | owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: F/P Prop Data ( propeller ) |
--
Rocket-List message posted by: LesDrag(at)aol.com
You're talking prototype. Right?
I don't recall the Spitfire production models having a FP wood prop.
Jim Ayers
RV-3 N47RV LOM M332A
Jim,
The early production Spitfire MK1 had a FP Wooden prop in 1938. By the time
the War started in 1939 a retrofit program saw C/S props fitted. I have seen
photos of (I think) 19 Sqdn RAF Spitfires so fitted.
Chris du Ve
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