Rocket-Archive.digest.vol-an
January 16, 2005 - August 12, 2005
>
>
> I am finally ready to take the plunge into a kit plane. I have narrowed my
choices
> to Harmon Rocket (#1) or an RV-7 (#2). But I still have concerns about how
> much more work a Rocket is than an RV-7. I would like to visit some one
building
> a rocket to take a look and talk about what's involved.
>
> Brian
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| From: | "Brian Dal Porto" <bdalporto(at)sbcglobal.net> |
A couple of years ago I got a ride in an RV-7 up at Van's. A couple of months ago
I flew down to Bakersfield and got a ride from John. Wow what a difference
in performance. Up until then I was convinced that a rocket wasn't that much faster
and it was harder to build so I knew the -7 was probably the way to go.
After that ride in a rocket I changed my mind. I want a rocket! That said I also
want to start my project with my eye's wide open and not through rose colored
glasses.
Brian
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| From: | Elmshoot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket vs. RV-7 |
Brian,
Pick up the phone and call the insurance companies and see if any will
underwrite you. I did and it was about a $4000 a year difference. That will buy
a
lot of fuel. And that is why I haven't begun any project. I am leaning toward a
-7 with a reworked Lycon motor.
Sparky
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket vs. RV-7 |
Listening to you guys proposing the pros and cons of the 7 and the Rocket,
it appears to be a matter of taste. If you are content drilling holes in the
sky at any speed, the 7 will do. If the rate at which you drill those holes
matter a great deal, you have to pursue the Rocket. I fall into the latter
category. Regardless of the fuel, I'd much rather fly less and do it with a
glow in my cheeks, than buzz around disturbing some atmosphere.
My 2-bit's worth.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <Elmshoot(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Rocket vs. RV-7
>
> Brian,
> Pick up the phone and call the insurance companies and see if any will
> underwrite you. I did and it was about a $4000 a year difference. That
will buy a
> lot of fuel. And that is why I haven't begun any project. I am leaning
toward a
> -7 with a reworked Lycon motor.
> Sparky
>
>
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| From: | "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
I have yet to see any posts about sex relative to this issue. C'mon guys
the Rocket is slathered in SEX APPEAL compared to the ...What was it
???. Why do you think its affectionately called a "Hormone" Rocket?
Duh!! When I fly into an airport in my Hormone Rocket people line up,
snap to attention and Salute!, Literally, No really! They do. They cant
help them selves. I have to wash the drool off the plane after cross
countries. People love this thing, they beg for rides, even great
looking women want a ride!(in the plane). Yesterday I had it out of the
hanger sitting on the ramp and even after 6 years the thing makes me
stop and stare. I don't know how a plumber from Bakersfield did it but
He did. Thanks John.
I chose a Rocket over an RV for one reason, RESALE VALUE! (I thought
this was the best thing about a Rocket until all of he above started
happening) You can make money with a Rocket. Do the math. If you work it
right you can build 20-30k of equity into one of these things. I don't
think an RV- will do that.
Ron Carter
N230RC
242mph straight and level at 25 sq and 5,500 msl Yeehaa!
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Rocket vs. RV-7
Listening to you guys proposing the pros and cons of the 7 and the
Rocket, it appears to be a matter of taste. If you are content drilling
holes in the sky at any speed, the 7 will do. If the rate at which you
drill those holes matter a great deal, you have to pursue the Rocket. I
fall into the latter category. Regardless of the fuel, I'd much rather
fly less and do it with a glow in my cheeks, than buzz around disturbing
some atmosphere.
My 2-bit's worth.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <Elmshoot(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Rocket vs. RV-7
>
> Brian,
> Pick up the phone and call the insurance companies and see if any will
> underwrite you. I did and it was about a $4000 a year difference. That
will buy a
> lot of fuel. And that is why I haven't begun any project. I am leaning
toward a
> -7 with a reworked Lycon motor.
> Sparky
>
>
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| From: | Bob J <rocketbob(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket vs. RV-7 |
The HD folks have a saying that would apply well here: "if you have to
explain, they won't understand."
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying, F1 under const
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| From: | "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net> |
"Rocket-List matronics"
| Subject: | This is why you are building one of these |
A little motivation for those still building.
Greg Nelson
"Coach"
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| From: | "Brian Dal Porto" <bdalporto(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Flying and deciding |
Wow, Fred thanks for the compliment. And thanks to every body for all the posts
and encouragement.
I'm pretty sure that I'm going for the rocket. I am an A & P although I've
never worked as one. I have owned 2 homebuilt's that I bought, both needing work.
I built a cowl and baffling from scratch for my EAA biplane. Sheet metal work
is not too big a problem. I have most of the riveting tools I need and I have
access at work to some sheet metal machines like a 8' power shear a 6' power
slip roller and some other stuff. What I'm really trying to figure out is how
much fabrication is there. Getting a look at a project would answer a lot of
questions. I did look at Mark Frederick's planes and they are beautiful. I really
like the tapered wing. But they are to expensive for me. May use some of
his parts.
Brian
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| From: | "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: This is why you are building one of these |
Did I miss something? Or did the No Attachments rule strike here??
Gummi
----- Original Message -----
From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
matronics"
Subject: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
>
> A little motivation for those still building.
>
> Greg Nelson
> "Coach"
>
>
>
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| From: | "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net> |
| Subject: | This is why you are building one of these |
Sorry guys it looks like it striped my picture attachment. I had a cool
inflight photo for ya all but I guess the list will not support that.
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
Did I miss something? Or did the No Attachments rule strike here??
Gummi
----- Original Message -----
From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
matronics"
Subject: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
>
> A little motivation for those still building.
>
> Greg Nelson
> "Coach"
>
>
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| From: | "Loren Harmon" <landsharmon(at)tc3net.com> |
| Subject: | This is why you are building one of these |
I received the picture. Great one!!
Loren Harmon
s/n 76 flying soon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of u2nelson
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
Sorry guys it looks like it striped my picture attachment. I had a cool
inflight photo for ya all but I guess the list will not support that.
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
Did I miss something? Or did the No Attachments rule strike here??
Gummi
----- Original Message -----
From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
matronics"
Subject: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
>
> A little motivation for those still building.
>
> Greg Nelson
> "Coach"
>
>
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| From: | "Milt" <rocket(at)swmrmc.org> |
Is anyone running LOP?
If so what are your results/numbers?
Milt
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| Subject: | Re: This is why you are building one of these |
Greg,
I got the photo, it was a great one.
I get how to turn the camera 90 degrees, but how did you make the earth's
surface turn the 90 degrees???
Cal 116
waiting on the engine
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| From: | Kevin Maxwell <kevmaxwell(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: This is why you are building one of these |
I got it and it's now hanging on the wall providing inspiration. Thanks
Greg!
Kevin Maxwell
On Jan 17, 2005, at 10:50 PM, u2nelson wrote:
>
> Sorry guys it looks like it striped my picture attachment. I had a cool
> inflight photo for ya all but I guess the list will not support that.
>
> Greg
>
>
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In a message dated 1/18/2005 9:16:22 AM Central Standard Time,
rocket(at)swmrmc.org writes:
Is anyone running LOP?
If so what are your results/numbers?
Milt
Sure do. 23"/2200 yeilds about 9.5GPH -- about 2GPH less than the chart
shows. It will go more lean, but the temps fall off pretty fast after that.
Cheers!
Mark
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: This is why you are building one of these |
If you send it to me directly, I will put it on my website and let you guys
have the url. Then everyone can enjoy it.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
>
> Sorry guys it looks like it striped my picture attachment. I had a cool
> inflight photo for ya all but I guess the list will not support that.
>
> Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
>
>
> Did I miss something? Or did the No Attachments rule strike here??
>
> Gummi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
> To: "F1builders list" ; "Rocket-List
> matronics"
> Subject: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
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> >
> > A little motivation for those still building.
> >
> > Greg Nelson
> > "Coach"
> >
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>
>
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| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
Yo Weasel, According to my Textron Lycoming Manual 60297-10 page 2.7 the
I0-540 C4B5 weighs 404 lbs. It says "standard engine, dry weight". I had my
engine weighed on a test stand, and they came in at 458 lbs. That included
oil, mags (which I replaced with E.I. and saved some weight), but that was
with a light weight starter, and a test prop. The possible errors could be in
the tare weight of their test prop which they said was 22 lbs., but felt alot
more like 32 to me, and I had an exhaust system on it. (John's standard). I
suppose their scales were somewhat suspect, as they looked like they came
from an 1890's blacksmith shop. Hope this helps you. Les Featherston N206KT
(Yes! it does) "Airgasm" now has 150 hrs, and flys perfectly. Thx J.H.
P.S. the lightest Lyco 540 listed was an "AB1A5" @ 382 lbs., and the heaviest
was the "AA1A5 or AA1B5" @ 479 lbs.
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| From: | "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net> |
| Subject: | This is why you are building one of these |
Here you go.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
If you send it to me directly, I will put it on my website and let you guys
have the url. Then everyone can enjoy it.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
>
> Sorry guys it looks like it striped my picture attachment. I had a cool
> inflight photo for ya all but I guess the list will not support that.
>
> Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
>
>
> Did I miss something? Or did the No Attachments rule strike here??
>
> Gummi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
> To: "F1builders list" ; "Rocket-List
> matronics"
> Subject: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
>
>
> >
> > A little motivation for those still building.
> >
> > Greg Nelson
> > "Coach"
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: This is why you are building one of these |
OK, guys. Greg was kind enough to send me the pic.
You can view it at http://www.acu.org/rockets
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
>
> Sorry guys it looks like it striped my picture attachment. I had a cool
> inflight photo for ya all but I guess the list will not support that.
>
> Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
>
>
>
> Did I miss something? Or did the No Attachments rule strike here??
>
> Gummi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
> To: "F1builders list" ; "Rocket-List
> matronics"
> Subject: Rocket-List: This is why you are building one of these
>
>
> >
> > A little motivation for those still building.
> >
> > Greg Nelson
> > "Coach"
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | <mrguitarweller(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | This is why you are building one of these |
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/rweller68/vertical.jpg[/IMG]
--- u2nelson wrote:
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> Here you go.
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of nico css
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: This is why you are
> building one of these
>
>
>
>
> If you send it to me directly, I will put it on my
> website and let you guys
> have the url. Then everyone can enjoy it.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Rocket-List: This is why you are
> building one of these
>
>
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> >
> > Sorry guys it looks like it striped my picture
> attachment. I had a cool
> > inflight photo for ya all but I guess the list
> will not support that.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Tom Gummo
> > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: This is why you are
> building one of these
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> >
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> >
> > Did I miss something? Or did the No Attachments
> rule strike here??
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> > Gummi
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
> > To: "F1builders list"
> ; "Rocket-List
> > matronics"
> > Subject: Rocket-List: This is why you are building
> one of these
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> > > "Coach"
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| From: | mark manda <mark2nite(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket vs. RV-7 |
I know a couple of guys at bakersfield's big field--
they have been working on their rockets for ten years
now. stop by and visit them.
I went for my first HR ride with jack at Riverside
muni. what a plane! no comparison to an RV. But I got
in and thought, were's my lunch box go? no seat next
to me.
mark
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| From: | "Milt" <rocket(at)swmrmc.org> |
Went to 8,000 feet Sunday.
EGT peaked at 1450 with CHT at 400.
Pulled mixture back to EGT of 1330 at 23" and 2200 RPM this gave me a fuel burn
of 9.8GPH and CHT @370 TAS 197 KTS
Normally at ROP and 23" and 2200RPM 8000' EGT is 1330 CHT 390 and burn is 14 GPH
TAS 202KTS
I had similar experience in pulling back further, the temps dropped precipitously
as did power.
I suspect my injectors must be fairly well balanced as I noticed no roughness in
the engine during the pullback.
Didn't remain there long as I do not have the full engine monitor array installed
yet.
I have to send my unit back to Blue mountain to have a new board installed for
the additional sensors.
Should have the new MT 3 blade installed at about the same time.
Can't wait until it's all done so I can take it high and see what it will do.
Saving 4-5 GPH will be phenomenal in extending the utility of the aircraft.
Currently when flying IFR I try to have it on the ground at 2 1/2 hrs so as to
have enough reserve for a missed and then an alternate.
I figure at 9GPH plus the climb I should be able to add an additional 200NM before
my 1st approach.
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| From: | "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Cat out of the bag - LONG |
Rocketeers:
I've deliberately waited until this story was near conclusion before sharing
it with the list. We're about there now, so here goes.
Two months ago I was at the 26 hour point in my flight testing. Time to
start putting the inverted oil system through it's paces.
Just playing around, I pulled into a vertical climb at about 200 mph and as
the speed dropped to about 100 I started a gentle push out at about 1/2
negative G. Unbeknownst to me (then), that is a tough situation for the
Christen system. Anyway, the oil pressure was fine through the push, but as
I went back to 1 positive G the oil pressure dropped off and that caused the
(non-counterweighted) prop to start to speed up. Since the speed was slow,
I just pulled the power to idle (and the prop to course, but that didn't do
anything). About a minute later I shut off the ignition just after
touchdown. (This is why you do stuff like this near the field).
Lots of research and we decided that the upper ball didn't seat properly in
the Christen check valve. This was an erroneous assumption, as it turned
out later. Christen says that is common in a new system. All it takes is a
small sliver or filing to keep the ball from seating properly and allowing
air to the oil pump.
Okay, disassemble the entire Christen system and clean and inspect. Didn't
see anything and the check valve seats appeared to be perfect. When you
take it all apart oil goes everywhere and you wouldn't know if a sliver of
something got away or not.
Try again. This time I went up and made the mistake of being faster when
testing it. I pulled the nose up a bit and rolled over to inverted. As I
was watching the oil pressure and all, I mistakenly let the nose drop a bit
so, rather than push it up, I rolled back upright. In doing that, the nose
dropped further and speed was building. At the same time the oil pressure
went to zero and the engine and prop ran away. This time, with the extra
speed, the engine and prop over redline by a bunch (3450). Shit. I shut
off the ignition, and within a minute I was on the tarmac. Not a good day.
Even with the engine shut off and the prop control aft, the airloads on the
prop brought the RPM over redline as I was slowing.
I called Hartzell the next morning and they said that if you spin one of
their props more than 20% over redline it becomes scrap. Lycoming says if
you spin one of their engines that amount it is a mandatory overhaul. Nice.
Further investigation through Christen and others indicates that if you use
the vacuum pump pad as an oil pickup, plumbed as the Extra's are, you must
remove the drive gear and associated spacer or you will have a problem.
That problem is low oil pressure in inverted flight and the inability for
the balls to reseat when returning to upright flight. My engine builder,
who built the engine and supplied the inverted system including the vacuum
pad hose adapter neglected to remove this gear. The plumbing diagram came
from him as well.
I have now received my engine from the engine builder, back from a fresh
overhaul. No significant damage was found in the engine. I have a beauty
of a new MT counterweighted prop installed and flew yesterday for the first
time. I also have a polished spinner and a Czech governor for sale. These
are for the 2 blade Hartzell or, I believe the non-counterweighted MT's.
The MT is much smoother, except when it is reaching into your wallet!
The rest of the story is who paid for all this mess. I didn't come out too
bad, but I will relay the rest of that story soon, after everyone has a
chance to do the right thing. It appears most are stepping up.
This story is just one more part of this aviation thing, where you do
everything exactly as instructed and still get screwed. You wire up you new
super gizmo and it doesn't work or something like that. Nearly all the
problems (few) I've had are like that. It isn't the builder mistakes that
cause most of them it is the supplied equipment. That's what I have found,
anyway.
As for deadsticking the plane with a flat pitch prop, no big deal. I was
near the field and didn't have to stretch the glide, but other than that it
is as easy as any other landing. All the chatter about how you will drop
like a rock is bunk. Don't get slow and it is fine. If you don't have an
airport nearby, just pick a nice spot that is close and manage your speed
and it is fine. Get too slow and you WILL sink, big time. If your engine
is running and your non-counterweighted prop is not governed you won't get
jack for power to it before hitting the RPM redline. Start looking for a
place to land.
Many are going to have questions about this. Post them here and we'll get
some good stuff into the archives.
Fly safe. Practice for a bad day. Don't make your insurance guy tell your
spouse what a great guy you were.
Russ
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| From: | "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
The Rocket is the only way to go. BUT, this really caught my eye. Check
out this report. Shows what dedication can do. Maybe this guy ought to
check out the Rocket. Make me wonder what he could do with it.
http://members.eaa.org/home/flight_reports/triaviathon.html
Good Day
Bobby
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of mark manda
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Rocket vs. RV-7
I know a couple of guys at bakersfield's big field--
they have been working on their rockets for ten years
now. stop by and visit them.
I went for my first HR ride with jack at Riverside
muni. what a plane! no comparison to an RV. But I got
in and thought, were's my lunch box go? no seat next
to me.
mark
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| Subject: | MT Propeller group buy |
Hi All,
I am trying to see if it is be time to start a Rocket MT Propeller group buy.
I need to have 16 orders to qualify for the group buy price.
Lead time for delivery is 8 to 12 weeks after the order is placed.
MT Propeller allows 12 months from date of delivery to install the propeller.
Final install of the propeller starts their 2 year warrantee for materials
and workmanship.
Group buy price for the MTV-9-B/198-52 Rocket propeller and spinner assembly
is $8,100 ex works MT Propeller, Germany.
Group Buy price for the MT governor with the MT Rocket propeller is $1,000
ex works Less Drag Products, Inc., California.
Group buy price for the MTV-9-B-C/C198-52 Rocket counterweighted blade
propeller and spinner assembly is $8,800 ex works MT Propeller, Germany.
Group Buy price for the MT governor with the MT Rocket counterweighted blade
propeller is $1,075 ex works Less Drag Products, Inc., California.
If you are interested in taking advantage of this group buy price, please
let me know.
_LessDragCom(at)aol.com_ (mailto:LessDragCom(at)aol.com)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc
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| From: | "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | HRII intake questions |
I have noticed that when you run water over the cowl, it works it's way
down, into the intake snorkel, along the top (ceiling) of that until it ends
and then drips down. The angle of the airplane on the ground lands these
drips right into the intake Y valve that is on the front of the injector.
Concerns here:
How does the water get out of the injection/elbow?
Would a sniffle valve be a solution and if so, how should it be installed?
If this water were to freeze it could be a big problem. Best to plug the
intake if parked outside. How best to plug that?
Another thing that is bugging me. In the interest of getting maximum
cooling through the cylinder fins, it would seem that you would not want any
ram intake air to not go into the intake. It seems to me that the Y valve,
when open, allows some of the ram pressure to go out the filter into the
lower cowl. Also, any intake leak between the Y valve and the inlet snorkel
in the cowl would also allow high pressure in the lower cowl. This is a
hard spot to seal well without access. Any thoughts on this?
Russ HRII
Park City, UT
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | How to tame the Lycomisaur |
Lycoming - tractor engine or turbine smooth?
This is the real question that needs to be asked when you are considering
which propeller to buy. (Based on multiple cruise performance tests using
several different propellers on the same aircraft with the same pilot.)
I had an opportunity to test four different constant speed propellers on one
aircraft. There were three different 2 blade propellers and one 3 blade
propeller. This aircraft was owned by a friend who flew the aircraft. I just
went along as the observer and data recorder.
The original 2 blade CS propeller on the aircraft had been dynamically
balanced on the engine. Since the plan was to leave the original propeller on
the
aircraft when we were finished with the testing, we did not removed the
dynamic balance weights from the engine ring gear.
All three of the 2 blade propellers had about the same vibration level
during their flights.
Then we flew the 3 blade propeller. On the takeoff roll and initial climb,
I noticed the pilot was highly stressed about something. About mid field, as
we were climbing out, he finally said that something must be wrong with the
engine. That the engine wasn't producing power.
We laughed about this later.
We seem to expect a certain vibration level which can be directly related to
the engine power. We don't even think about this. And it's not something
that any instructor I have had has ever talked about. It's just there.
I've been told that a 2 blade propeller has a 2nd order harmonic on the
Lycoming engine.
And the 3 blade propeller does not have the 2nd order harmonic on the
Lycoming engine.
What does this really mean?
On another test sequence, I had an opportunity to again ride in a friends
aircraft. On this friends Harmon Rocket 2 with a stock Lycoming IO-540-C4B5,
we removed a 2 blade propeller and installed a 3 blade propeller.
The 3 blade propeller made the Lycoming run like it was an electric motor,
it was so vibration free.
When we installed a second 2 blade propeller, the same old vibration came
right back. At the same level as the first 2 blade propeller.
So the question goes back to you, the builder/flyers. Do you want "turbine
smooth" or "tractor engine"?
Regards,
Jim Ayers
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lee Taylor" <leetay(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/26/05 |
Subject: Rocket-List: How to tame the Lycomisaur
Lycoming - tractor engine or turbine smooth?
This is the real question that needs to be asked when you are
considering
which propeller to buy. (Based on multiple cruise performance tests
using
several different propellers on the same aircraft with the same pilot.)
I had an opportunity to test four different constant speed propellers on
one
aircraft. There were three different 2 blade propellers and one 3
blade
propeller. This aircraft was owned by a friend who flew the aircraft.
I just
went along as the observer and data recorder.
The original 2 blade CS propeller on the aircraft had been dynamically
balanced on the engine. Since the plan was to leave the original
propeller on
the
aircraft when we were finished with the testing, we did not removed the
dynamic balance weights from the engine ring gear.
All three of the 2 blade propellers had about the same vibration level
during their flights.
Then we flew the 3 blade propeller. On the takeoff roll and initial
climb,
I noticed the pilot was highly stressed about something. About mid
field, as
we were climbing out, he finally said that something must be wrong with
the
engine. That the engine wasn't producing power.
We laughed about this later.
We seem to expect a certain vibration level which can be directly
related to
the engine power. We don't even think about this. And it's not
something
that any instructor I have had has ever talked about. It's just there.
I've been told that a 2 blade propeller has a 2nd order harmonic on the
Lycoming engine.
And the 3 blade propeller does not have the 2nd order harmonic on the
Lycoming engine.
What does this really mean?
On another test sequence, I had an opportunity to again ride in a
friends
aircraft. On this friends Harmon Rocket 2 with a stock Lycoming
IO-540-C4B5,
we removed a 2 blade propeller and installed a 3 blade propeller.
The 3 blade propeller made the Lycoming run like it was an electric
motor,
it was so vibration free.
When we installed a second 2 blade propeller, the same old vibration
came
right back. At the same level as the first 2 blade propeller.
So the question goes back to you, the builder/flyers. Do you want
"turbine
smooth" or "tractor engine"?
Regards,
Jim Ayers
JEEZUS, JIM!
WHAT A FANTASTIC test opportunity! And you shared it with the rest of
us.
THANK YOU!
So much stuff that we hear about, opinions, word-of-mouth, so
little of it is actual side-by-side comparisons of ACTUAL results in
non-debatable circumstances----- To test three different propellers,
on the same plane, on the same engine?????? I don't think I have
ever heard of such definitive results demonstrated in a manner so
conclusive.
Again, THANK YOU!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James Baldwin <rocket2man(at)isp.com> |
| Subject: | Re: How to tame the Lycomisaur |
Jim -
Yeah, great, but where's the data? I'm planning on using your MT 3
blade but being a data type guy I'd like to see what you've learned. JBB
LesDrag(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>Lycoming - tractor engine or turbine smooth?
>
>This is the real question that needs to be asked when you are considering
>which propeller to buy. (Based on multiple cruise performance tests using
>several different propellers on the same aircraft with the same pilot.)
>
>I had an opportunity to test four different constant speed propellers on one
>aircraft. There were three different 2 blade propellers and one 3 blade
>propeller. This aircraft was owned by a friend who flew the aircraft. I just
>went along as the observer and data recorder.
>
>The original 2 blade CS propeller on the aircraft had been dynamically
>balanced on the engine. Since the plan was to leave the original propeller on
the
>aircraft when we were finished with the testing, we did not removed the
>dynamic balance weights from the engine ring gear.
>
>All three of the 2 blade propellers had about the same vibration level
>during their flights.
>
>Then we flew the 3 blade propeller. On the takeoff roll and initial climb,
>I noticed the pilot was highly stressed about something. About mid field, as
>we were climbing out, he finally said that something must be wrong with the
>engine. That the engine wasn't producing power.
>
>We laughed about this later.
>
>We seem to expect a certain vibration level which can be directly related to
>the engine power. We don't even think about this. And it's not something
>that any instructor I have had has ever talked about. It's just there.
>
>I've been told that a 2 blade propeller has a 2nd order harmonic on the
>Lycoming engine.
>And the 3 blade propeller does not have the 2nd order harmonic on the
>Lycoming engine.
>
>What does this really mean?
>
>On another test sequence, I had an opportunity to again ride in a friends
>aircraft. On this friends Harmon Rocket 2 with a stock Lycoming IO-540-C4B5,
>we removed a 2 blade propeller and installed a 3 blade propeller.
>The 3 blade propeller made the Lycoming run like it was an electric motor,
>it was so vibration free.
>When we installed a second 2 blade propeller, the same old vibration came
>right back. At the same level as the first 2 blade propeller.
>
>So the question goes back to you, the builder/flyers. Do you want "turbine
>smooth" or "tractor engine"?
>
>Regards,
>Jim Ayers
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | turbine smooth? but what about performance? |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
From: LesDrag(at)aol.com
Subject: Rocket-List: How to tame the Lycomisaur
Lycoming - tractor engine or turbine smooth?
This is the real question that needs to be asked when you are
considering which propeller to buy. (Based on multiple cruise
performance tests using several different propellers on the same
aircraft with the same pilot.)
I had an opportunity to test four different constant speed propellers on
one aircraft. There were three different 2 blade propellers and one 3
blade propeller. This aircraft was owned by a friend who flew the
aircraft. I just
went along as the observer and data recorder.
The original 2 blade CS propeller on the aircraft had been dynamically
balanced on the engine. Since the plan was to leave the original
propeller on the aircraft when we were finished with the testing, we
did not removed the dynamic balance weights from the engine ring gear.
All three of the 2 blade propellers had about the same vibration level
during their flights.
Then we flew the 3 blade propeller. On the takeoff roll and initial
climb,
I noticed the pilot was highly stressed about something. About mid
field, as
we were climbing out, he finally said that something must be wrong with
the engine. That the engine wasn't producing power.
We laughed about this later.
We seem to expect a certain vibration level which can be directly
related to the engine power. We don't even think about this. And it's
not something that any instructor I have had has ever talked about.
It's just there.
I've been told that a 2 blade propeller has a 2nd order harmonic on the
Lycoming engine.
And the 3 blade propeller does not have the 2nd order harmonic on the
Lycoming engine.
What does this really mean?
On another test sequence, I had an opportunity to again ride in a
friends aircraft. On this friends Harmon Rocket 2 with a stock Lycoming
IO-540-C4B5,
we removed a 2 blade propeller and installed a 3 blade propeller.
The 3 blade propeller made the Lycoming run like it was an electric
motor, it was so vibration free.
When we installed a second 2 blade propeller, the same old vibration
came right back. At the same level as the first 2 blade propeller.
So the question goes back to you, the builder/flyers. Do you want
"turbine smooth" or "tractor engine"?
Regards,
Jim Ayers SNIP ************
I'll be Devil's advocate here, simply because I like my 2-blade and
don't think that the vibes are objectionable at all. Three blades might
indeed be smoother, I cannot say, but I'd certainly want to know a lot
more than just how smooth it will be.
Vince
The following is presented as food for thought.....
WHICH PROP IS BETTER
Mike Penketh IAC #3213
Sean DeRosier IAC#187992
"I dunno," that's probably an honest answer. I know we've all tried or
flown behind different propellers but its not often we have the same
airframe/engine combination and several composite constant speed
propellers available for evaluations. Several years ago the Hoffman
propeller off my Zlin 50 made an extended visit to the prop shop, a
borrowed a MT propeller gave me a rare chance to compare two aerobatic
composite constant speed propellers on the same aircraft, the Zlin 50
powered by an AEIO-540/260hp.
So...what did I find out?
In this early comparison the take-off, climb and cruise were all
about the same, no marked difference. Slow speed pushes and pulls
revealed a noticeable difference. The Zlin 50 is a remarkable aerobat;
it flies well at slow speeds such as found in the vertical S described
below.
Using the original equipment Hoffman propeller starting at about
160mph in level flight using full power and no more than a 3 G pull the
1st half of an inside loop was completed. Hanging upside down I would
hesitate a moment looking for a minimum of 85 mph, then with no more
than -3G I could push over the top and the 1st half of an outside loop
was completed; all this with a very solid feel to the aircraft. I then
switched to the MT propeller, using the same technique; all was the same
until I reached the vertical phase of the half outside loop? Shutter,
shutter, shake, shake and the maneuver was all over. Even an evaluation
as simple as this is uncommon. Below we've tried to go a step further
and expand the comparison paramaters.
For the ya-buts, what-ifs and nit-pickers...
We have tried to be as consistent as possible in our comparative
evaluations. The same pilot, same aircraft and same procedures have been
used in comparing five different composite aerobatic propellers.
a. The same pilot, Sean DeRosier;
b. the same aircraft, G202 with a Monte Barrett AEIO-360, 180 hp;
c. temperatures varied +- 5 degrees for all evaluations;
d. all power readings were read directly from an electronic VM 1000
;
e. All speeds are indicated mph with the exception of the GPS mph
ground speed.
The following composite aerobatic propellers were compared:
1. Hartzell 2 blade,
2. Whirlwind 2 blade,
3. Whirlwind 200C 2 blade,
4. Whirlwind 3 blade and
5. MT 3 blade.
The following comparisons are offered for information only. They
represent real numbers,
hanger flying, dreaming or salesmanship is not a factor.
We are not in the business of selling propellers, the final decision in
yours.
Page one
GSPD R/C VMAX VMAX
VERT PENETRATION
(Notes) (1) (2) (3)
(4) (5)
HARTZELL 210 1957 fpm 210 mph 195 mph
1800 feet
2 BLADE
52 lbs. - 78 inch diameter
A/C EW 1037 lbs.
WHIRLWIND 207 1836 fpm 205 mph 195 mph
1500 feet
2 BLADE - standard
45 lbs. - 78 inch diameter
A/C EW 1030 lbs.
WHIRLWIND 210 2000 fpm 210 mph 193 mph
1800 feet
2 BLADE - 200C
46 lbs.- 77 inch diameter.
A/C EW 1031 lbs.
WHIRLWIND 204 1682 fpm 202 mph 190 mph
1500 feet
3 BLADE
65 lbs. - 74 inch diameter
A/C EW 1050 lbs.
MT 202 1764 fpm 202 mph
193 mph 1400 feet
3 BLADE
59 lbs. - 76 inch diameter
A/C EW 1044 lbs.
(notes)
(1) GPS ground speed 4 way average, full power - 1500 MSL - 31.5mp /
2680 rpm
(2) 2000-5000' - full power - speed stabilized at 100mph, 1-G
flight prior to beginning timing.
(3) 3500 MSL - 29 mp / 2680 rpm - level flight
(4) 3500 MSL - 25 mp / 2500 rpm - level flight
(5) Vertical penetration is initiated from level flight at 1500'
MSL, VMAX (3) using a 3.5G pull and full power (31.5 mp / 2680 rpm.)
The vertical is held till the aircraft begins to slide backwards.
There are numerous distributors for Hartzell and MT propellers, these
can be found in publications such as SPORT AEROBATICS, SPORT AVIATION or
TRADE -A-PLANE. Whirl Wind products are only available from the
manufacturer at:
Whirl Wind Propellers Corp.
1860 Joe Crosson Drive, suite J
El Cajon, CA 92070
619-562-3725
Page two
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Norman Younie <rv6capt(at)pacificcoast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: turbine smooth? but what about performance? |
According to theory 2 blades are more efficient than 3 or more. One
blade would be the most efficient but the vibration would be overwhelming.
Frazier, Vincent A wrote:
>
>
>From: LesDrag(at)aol.com
>Subject: Rocket-List: How to tame the Lycomisaur
>
>
>Lycoming - tractor engine or turbine smooth?
>
>This is the real question that needs to be asked when you are
>considering which propeller to buy. (Based on multiple cruise
>performance tests using several different propellers on the same
>aircraft with the same pilot.)
>
>I had an opportunity to test four different constant speed propellers on
>one aircraft. There were three different 2 blade propellers and one 3
>blade propeller. This aircraft was owned by a friend who flew the
>aircraft. I just
>
>went along as the observer and data recorder.
>
>The original 2 blade CS propeller on the aircraft had been dynamically
>balanced on the engine. Since the plan was to leave the original
>propeller on the aircraft when we were finished with the testing, we
>did not removed the dynamic balance weights from the engine ring gear.
>
>All three of the 2 blade propellers had about the same vibration level
>during their flights.
>
>Then we flew the 3 blade propeller. On the takeoff roll and initial
>climb,
>I noticed the pilot was highly stressed about something. About mid
>field, as
>
>we were climbing out, he finally said that something must be wrong with
>the engine. That the engine wasn't producing power.
>
>We laughed about this later.
>
>We seem to expect a certain vibration level which can be directly
>related to the engine power. We don't even think about this. And it's
>not something that any instructor I have had has ever talked about.
>It's just there.
>
>I've been told that a 2 blade propeller has a 2nd order harmonic on the
>Lycoming engine.
>And the 3 blade propeller does not have the 2nd order harmonic on the
>Lycoming engine.
>
>What does this really mean?
>
>On another test sequence, I had an opportunity to again ride in a
>friends aircraft. On this friends Harmon Rocket 2 with a stock Lycoming
>IO-540-C4B5,
>
>we removed a 2 blade propeller and installed a 3 blade propeller.
>The 3 blade propeller made the Lycoming run like it was an electric
>motor, it was so vibration free.
>When we installed a second 2 blade propeller, the same old vibration
>came right back. At the same level as the first 2 blade propeller.
>
>So the question goes back to you, the builder/flyers. Do you want
>"turbine smooth" or "tractor engine"?
>
>Regards,
>Jim Ayers SNIP ************
>
>
>I'll be Devil's advocate here, simply because I like my 2-blade and
>don't think that the vibes are objectionable at all. Three blades might
>indeed be smoother, I cannot say, but I'd certainly want to know a lot
>more than just how smooth it will be.
>
>Vince
>
>The following is presented as food for thought.....
>
>WHICH PROP IS BETTER
>
>Mike Penketh IAC #3213
>Sean DeRosier IAC#187992
>
>"I dunno," that's probably an honest answer. I know we've all tried or
>flown behind different propellers but its not often we have the same
>airframe/engine combination and several composite constant speed
>propellers available for evaluations. Several years ago the Hoffman
>propeller off my Zlin 50 made an extended visit to the prop shop, a
>borrowed a MT propeller gave me a rare chance to compare two aerobatic
>composite constant speed propellers on the same aircraft, the Zlin 50
>powered by an AEIO-540/260hp.
>
>So...what did I find out?
>
> In this early comparison the take-off, climb and cruise were all
>about the same, no marked difference. Slow speed pushes and pulls
>revealed a noticeable difference. The Zlin 50 is a remarkable aerobat;
>it flies well at slow speeds such as found in the vertical S described
>below.
> Using the original equipment Hoffman propeller starting at about
>160mph in level flight using full power and no more than a 3 G pull the
>1st half of an inside loop was completed. Hanging upside down I would
>hesitate a moment looking for a minimum of 85 mph, then with no more
>than -3G I could push over the top and the 1st half of an outside loop
>was completed; all this with a very solid feel to the aircraft. I then
>switched to the MT propeller, using the same technique; all was the same
>until I reached the vertical phase of the half outside loop? Shutter,
>shutter, shake, shake and the maneuver was all over. Even an evaluation
>as simple as this is uncommon. Below we've tried to go a step further
>and expand the comparison paramaters.
>
>For the ya-buts, what-ifs and nit-pickers...
>
> We have tried to be as consistent as possible in our comparative
>evaluations. The same pilot, same aircraft and same procedures have been
>used in comparing five different composite aerobatic propellers.
>a. The same pilot, Sean DeRosier;
>b. the same aircraft, G202 with a Monte Barrett AEIO-360, 180 hp;
>c. temperatures varied +- 5 degrees for all evaluations;
>d. all power readings were read directly from an electronic VM 1000
>;
>e. All speeds are indicated mph with the exception of the GPS mph
>ground speed.
>
>The following composite aerobatic propellers were compared:
>
>1. Hartzell 2 blade,
>2. Whirlwind 2 blade,
>3. Whirlwind 200C 2 blade,
>4. Whirlwind 3 blade and
> 5. MT 3 blade.
>
>
>The following comparisons are offered for information only. They
>represent real numbers,
>hanger flying, dreaming or salesmanship is not a factor.
>We are not in the business of selling propellers, the final decision in
>yours.
>
>
> Page one
>
>
> GSPD R/C VMAX VMAX
>VERT PENETRATION
> (Notes) (1) (2) (3)
>(4) (5)
>
>HARTZELL 210 1957 fpm 210 mph 195 mph
>1800 feet
>2 BLADE
>52 lbs. - 78 inch diameter
>A/C EW 1037 lbs.
>
>WHIRLWIND 207 1836 fpm 205 mph 195 mph
>1500 feet
>2 BLADE - standard
>
>45 lbs. - 78 inch diameter
>A/C EW 1030 lbs.
>
>WHIRLWIND 210 2000 fpm 210 mph 193 mph
>1800 feet
> 2 BLADE - 200C
>46 lbs.- 77 inch diameter.
>A/C EW 1031 lbs.
>
>WHIRLWIND 204 1682 fpm 202 mph 190 mph
>1500 feet
>3 BLADE
>
>65 lbs. - 74 inch diameter
>A/C EW 1050 lbs.
>
>MT 202 1764 fpm 202 mph
>193 mph 1400 feet
>3 BLADE
>59 lbs. - 76 inch diameter
>A/C EW 1044 lbs.
>
>(notes)
>(1) GPS ground speed 4 way average, full power - 1500 MSL - 31.5mp /
>2680 rpm
>(2) 2000-5000' - full power - speed stabilized at 100mph, 1-G
>flight prior to beginning timing.
>(3) 3500 MSL - 29 mp / 2680 rpm - level flight
>(4) 3500 MSL - 25 mp / 2500 rpm - level flight
>(5) Vertical penetration is initiated from level flight at 1500'
>MSL, VMAX (3) using a 3.5G pull and full power (31.5 mp / 2680 rpm.)
>The vertical is held till the aircraft begins to slide backwards.
>
>There are numerous distributors for Hartzell and MT propellers, these
>can be found in publications such as SPORT AEROBATICS, SPORT AVIATION or
>TRADE -A-PLANE. Whirl Wind products are only available from the
>manufacturer at:
> Whirl Wind Propellers Corp.
> 1860 Joe Crosson Drive, suite J
> El Cajon, CA 92070
> 619-562-3725
>
>
>Page two
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: How to tame the Lycomisaur |
The performance data was taken for the 2 blade Hartzell "D" blade and "J"
blade propellers and the MTV-9-B/198-52 three blade Rocket propeller.
The data I have on the HR2 was not taken at typical cruise power settings
and altitudes. The data was taken in preparation for the Reno 2003 races at
5,000' and 6,000' pressure altitudes with 88+ degree f OAT. This was single
point data collection without even a second data flight for correlation. Just
a "how do we go faster" flight test.
The results of the data we collected indicated that the best performance was
obtained with the 2 blade Hartzell "J" propeller at full throttle and 2,800
RPM.
For the performance numbers below 2,700 RPM, the numbers were the same.
I am still trying to get my HR2 finished so I have an opportunity to get a
reasonable amount of test data under normal cruise conditions.
BTW, John Harmon said the smoothest propeller he has flown was the four
blade MTV-14-B/190-119a on his Harmon Rocket 3.
I am planning to try the MTV-14-B-C/C190-59b on my HR2. This
counterweighted 4 blade propeller and spinner will be about 2 to 4 pounds heavier
than the
Hartzell 2 blade propeller and spinner. :-)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 01/27/2005 6:51:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rocket2man(at)isp.com writes:
Jim -
Yeah, great, but where's the data? I'm planning on using your MT 3
blade but being a data type guy I'd like to see what you've learned. JBB
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: turbine smooth? but what about performance? |
MT Propeller custom designs the propeller blades. Their propeller numbering
system can be used to determine the aircraft for which the propeller was
designed. Saying an MT propeller was used for testing, without the MTV part
number being identified, is meaningless.
For example, the Hartzell 72" diameter 2 blade propeller will bolt very
nicely on a Lycoming IO-540-C4B5 260 hp engine. SAE2 bolt pattern with 1/2"
diameter bolts.
I think we can all agree that this propeller for the 180 to 200 hp Lycoming
would not have the same performance as a Hartzell 80" dia. 2 blade propeller
on the Lycoming IO-540.
What I'm trying to say is that no valid conclusion can be made regarding the
performance of an undefined MT Propeller. I don't disagree with the data
provided. But what was the "loaner" MT propeller?
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 01/27/2005 7:18:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
VFrazier(at)usi.edu writes:
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A"
From: LesDrag(at)aol.com
Subject: Rocket-List: How to tame the Lycomisaur
Lycoming - tractor engine or turbine smooth?
This is the real question that needs to be asked when you are
considering which propeller to buy. (Based on multiple cruise
performance tests using several different propellers on the same
aircraft with the same pilot.)
I had an opportunity to test four different constant speed propellers on
one aircraft. There were three different 2 blade propellers and one 3
blade propeller. This aircraft was owned by a friend who flew the
aircraft. I just
went along as the observer and data recorder.
The original 2 blade CS propeller on the aircraft had been dynamically
balanced on the engine. Since the plan was to leave the original
propeller on the aircraft when we were finished with the testing, we
did not removed the dynamic balance weights from the engine ring gear.
All three of the 2 blade propellers had about the same vibration level
during their flights.
Then we flew the 3 blade propeller. On the takeoff roll and initial
climb,
I noticed the pilot was highly stressed about something. About mid
field, as
we were climbing out, he finally said that something must be wrong with
the engine. That the engine wasn't producing power.
We laughed about this later.
We seem to expect a certain vibration level which can be directly
related to the engine power. We don't even think about this. And it's
not something that any instructor I have had has ever talked about.
It's just there.
I've been told that a 2 blade propeller has a 2nd order harmonic on the
Lycoming engine.
And the 3 blade propeller does not have the 2nd order harmonic on the
Lycoming engine.
What does this really mean?
On another test sequence, I had an opportunity to again ride in a
friends aircraft. On this friends Harmon Rocket 2 with a stock Lycoming
IO-540-C4B5,
we removed a 2 blade propeller and installed a 3 blade propeller.
The 3 blade propeller made the Lycoming run like it was an electric
motor, it was so vibration free.
When we installed a second 2 blade propeller, the same old vibration
came right back. At the same level as the first 2 blade propeller.
So the question goes back to you, the builder/flyers. Do you want
"turbine smooth" or "tractor engine"?
Regards,
Jim Ayers SNIP ************
I'll be Devil's advocate here, simply because I like my 2-blade and
don't think that the vibes are objectionable at all. Three blades might
indeed be smoother, I cannot say, but I'd certainly want to know a lot
more than just how smooth it will be.
Vince
The following is presented as food for thought.....
WHICH PROP IS BETTER
Mike Penketh IAC #3213
Sean DeRosier IAC#187992
"I dunno," that's probably an honest answer. I know we've all tried or
flown behind different propellers but its not often we have the same
airframe/engine combination and several composite constant speed
propellers available for evaluations. Several years ago the Hoffman
propeller off my Zlin 50 made an extended visit to the prop shop, a
borrowed a MT propeller gave me a rare chance to compare two aerobatic
composite constant speed propellers on the same aircraft, the Zlin 50
powered by an AEIO-540/260hp.
So...what did I find out?
In this early comparison the take-off, climb and cruise were all
about the same, no marked difference. Slow speed pushes and pulls
revealed a noticeable difference. The Zlin 50 is a remarkable aerobat;
it flies well at slow speeds such as found in the vertical S described
below.
Using the original equipment Hoffman propeller starting at about
160mph in level flight using full power and no more than a 3 G pull the
1st half of an inside loop was completed. Hanging upside down I would
hesitate a moment looking for a minimum of 85 mph, then with no more
than -3G I could push over the top and the 1st half of an outside loop
was completed; all this with a very solid feel to the aircraft. I then
switched to the MT propeller, using the same technique; all was the same
until I reached the vertical phase of the half outside loop? Shutter,
shutter, shake, shake and the maneuver was all over. Even an evaluation
as simple as this is uncommon. Below we've tried to go a step further
and expand the comparison paramaters.
For the ya-buts, what-ifs and nit-pickers...
We have tried to be as consistent as possible in our comparative
evaluations. The same pilot, same aircraft and same procedures have been
used in comparing five different composite aerobatic propellers.
a. The same pilot, Sean DeRosier;
b. the same aircraft, G202 with a Monte Barrett AEIO-360, 180 hp;
c. temperatures varied +- 5 degrees for all evaluations;
d. all power readings were read directly from an electronic VM 1000
;
e. All speeds are indicated mph with the exception of the GPS mph
ground speed.
The following composite aerobatic propellers were compared:
1. Hartzell 2 blade,
2. Whirlwind 2 blade,
3. Whirlwind 200C 2 blade,
4. Whirlwind 3 blade and
5. MT 3 blade.
The following comparisons are offered for information only. They
represent real numbers,
hanger flying, dreaming or salesmanship is not a factor.
We are not in the business of selling propellers, the final decision in
yours.
Page one
GSPD R/C VMAX VMAX
VERT PENETRATION
(Notes) (1) (2) (3)
(4) (5)
HARTZELL 210 1957 fpm 210 mph 195 mph
1800 feet
2 BLADE
52 lbs. - 78 inch diameter
A/C EW 1037 lbs.
WHIRLWIND 207 1836 fpm 205 mph 195 mph
1500 feet
2 BLADE - standard
45 lbs. - 78 inch diameter
A/C EW 1030 lbs.
WHIRLWIND 210 2000 fpm 210 mph 193 mph
1800 feet
2 BLADE - 200C
46 lbs.- 77 inch diameter.
A/C EW 1031 lbs.
WHIRLWIND 204 1682 fpm 202 mph 190 mph
1500 feet
3 BLADE
65 lbs. - 74 inch diameter
A/C EW 1050 lbs.
MT 202 1764 fpm 202 mph
193 mph 1400 feet
3 BLADE
59 lbs. - 76 inch diameter
A/C EW 1044 lbs.
(notes)
(1) GPS ground speed 4 way average, full power - 1500 MSL - 31.5mp /
2680 rpm
(2) 2000-5000' - full power - speed stabilized at 100mph, 1-G
flight prior to beginning timing.
(3) 3500 MSL - 29 mp / 2680 rpm - level flight
(4) 3500 MSL - 25 mp / 2500 rpm - level flight
(5) Vertical penetration is initiated from level flight at 1500'
MSL, VMAX (3) using a 3.5G pull and full power (31.5 mp / 2680 rpm.)
The vertical is held till the aircraft begins to slide backwards.
There are numerous distributors for Hartzell and MT propellers, these
can be found in publications such as SPORT AEROBATICS, SPORT AVIATION or
TRADE -A-PLANE. Whirl Wind products are only available from the
manufacturer at:
Whirl Wind Propellers Corp.
1860 Joe Crosson Drive, suite J
El Cajon, CA 92070
619-562-3725
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: turbine smooth? but what about performance? |
Part of the equation is missing.
There is a formula for power coefficient (Cp) and "J" factor that identify
the number of blades for the greatest efficiency.
For a very low Cp, what you said is correct.
The RV-6A with a Lycoming O-360 of 180 hp apparently has a Cp high enough to
have a 3 blade propeller developing a slightly better efficiency at cruise
altitudes than all three of the 2 blade propellers used.
MT Propeller has determined (by analysis only) that the HR2 with the
Lycoming IO-540 engine has a Cp high enough to allow a 4 blade propeller to be
in
the same efficiency range as the 3 blade propeller.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 01/27/2005 7:49:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rv6capt(at)pacificcoast.net writes:
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Norman Younie
According to theory 2 blades are more efficient than 3 or more. One
blade would be the most efficient but the vibration would be overwhelming.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Vans 540 engine baffle kit |
| From: | "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" <mstewart(at)iss.net> |
Not sure if you all were aware that Vans is now selling a baffle kit for
the IO-0540.
I received it yesterday and the new artwork that goes with a CAD design
is really amazing. I now know why the RV-10 guys love the directions.
There is no doubt this is better than any of the baffle "kits" they have
done in the past. Now I have to determine if the parts actually fit. If
they do, it will be a nice change of pace.
Mike Stewart
S8 FWF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jon Croke" <jon(at)joncroke.com> |
| Subject: | How to License Your Homebuilt Aircraft |
This is an announcement that www.HomebuiltHELP.com has just completed production, and is proud to announce the release of their latest DVD video presentation: "How to License Your Homebuilt Aircraft". (for the U.S.)
To the best of my knowledge, this is the first comprehensive DVD video that explains
in detail the complete licensing process for experimental amateur built
aircraft - showing what/how to fill out the forms, and also demonstrating new
capabilities such as reserving an N number by going online and using the FAA website.
I'll leave it at that, as full details are available at the www.HomebuiltHELP.com website. In keeping with the list's guidelines, this will be the ONLY post on this matter, and I hope it was valuable to some Rocket builders.
Thanks!
Jon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Prop test 2-blade, 3-blade, 4-blade |
Hey Tom, I was there that day that you let the "dumbsh.t" fly your airplane.
I really liked him, but Thank Goodness I haven't seen him around much
anymore. I guess we all let him fly our airplanes now and then, let's just make
sure he gets mimimum flight time from now on. Good tale, and for once,
sounded almost all true. From one "old fighter pilot" to another, Les Featherston
P.S. look at _http://raf.union.rpi.edu/downloads/f18_ride.wmv_
(http://raf.union.rpi.edu/downloads/f18_ride.wmv) to reminise about the old days. Looks
just like the F-100 or the F-4 but with funny wings.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Loren Harmon" <landsharmon(at)tc3net.com> |
| Subject: | Vans 540 engine baffle kit |
There are many different IO540 cases, and the baffle kit comes very close to
mine, but still required some minor surgery to fit the aft pieces.
Loren Harmon
s/n 76
Subject: Rocket-List: Vans 540 engine baffle kit
Not sure if you all were aware that Vans is now selling a baffle kit for
the IO-0540.
I received it yesterday and the new artwork that goes with a CAD design
is really amazing. I now know why the RV-10 guys love the directions.
There is no doubt this is better than any of the baffle "kits" they have
done in the past. Now I have to determine if the parts actually fit. If
they do, it will be a nice change of pace.
Mike Stewart
S8 FWF
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HRII intake questions |
Ok HRII builders, this message was posted almost a week ago and has had no
response. Russ has some great questions here, is there no help out there?
Jim Stone
HRII
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>
> I have noticed that when you run water over the cowl, it works it's way
> down, into the intake snorkel, along the top (ceiling) of that until it
> ends
> and then drips down. The angle of the airplane on the ground lands these
> drips right into the intake Y valve that is on the front of the injector.
>
> Concerns here:
>
> How does the water get out of the injection/elbow?
>
> Would a sniffle valve be a solution and if so, how should it be installed?
>
> If this water were to freeze it could be a big problem. Best to plug the
> intake if parked outside. How best to plug that?
>
>
> Another thing that is bugging me. In the interest of getting maximum
> cooling through the cylinder fins, it would seem that you would not want
> any
> ram intake air to not go into the intake. It seems to me that the Y
> valve,
> when open, allows some of the ram pressure to go out the filter into the
> lower cowl. Also, any intake leak between the Y valve and the inlet
> snorkel
> in the cowl would also allow high pressure in the lower cowl. This is a
> hard spot to seal well without access. Any thoughts on this?
>
> Russ HRII
> Park City, UT
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: HRII intake questions |
Russ and Jim,
I remember asking John about having "anything" roll down the intake and then
go into the injector. As much as I want every last inch of RAM air going
into the injector, I have about a 0.5 inch gap between the intake and the
"Y" valve. Therefore, any water doesn't make into the injector. Maybe this
is the reason, I have the slowest Rocket.
Water isn't the only issue here. What about a kid with a marble who just
happens to roll it in there while you are not watching? etc. etc.
Remember, I am a pilot and not a builder. :-)
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>
> Ok HRII builders, this message was posted almost a week ago and has had no
> response. Russ has some great questions here, is there no help out there?
> Jim Stone
> HRII
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
> To:
> Subject: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>
>
>>
>> I have noticed that when you run water over the cowl, it works it's way
>> down, into the intake snorkel, along the top (ceiling) of that until it
>> ends
>> and then drips down. The angle of the airplane on the ground lands these
>> drips right into the intake Y valve that is on the front of the injector.
>>
>> Concerns here:
>>
>> How does the water get out of the injection/elbow?
>>
>> Would a sniffle valve be a solution and if so, how should it be
>> installed?
>>
>> If this water were to freeze it could be a big problem. Best to plug the
>> intake if parked outside. How best to plug that?
>>
>>
>> Another thing that is bugging me. In the interest of getting maximum
>> cooling through the cylinder fins, it would seem that you would not want
>> any
>> ram intake air to not go into the intake. It seems to me that the Y
>> valve,
>> when open, allows some of the ram pressure to go out the filter into the
>> lower cowl. Also, any intake leak between the Y valve and the inlet
>> snorkel
>> in the cowl would also allow high pressure in the lower cowl. This is a
>> hard spot to seal well without access. Any thoughts on this?
>>
>> Russ HRII
>> Park City, UT
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: HRII intake questions |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HRII intake questions |
Tom,
I find when I look, water runs off the cowl, along the roof of the inlet
snorkel and at the aft end of that drips right into the Y valve and then on
into the injector. It would appear, as you say, that a gap at the bottom
would be the solution but water on my bird goes right on past that! The gap
only gets the water along the floor of the intake. We're talking about
significant amounts here.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>
> Russ and Jim,
> I remember asking John about having "anything" roll down the intake and
> then
> go into the injector. As much as I want every last inch of RAM air going
> into the injector, I have about a 0.5 inch gap between the intake and the
> "Y" valve. Therefore, any water doesn't make into the injector. Maybe
> this
> is the reason, I have the slowest Rocket.
>
> Water isn't the only issue here. What about a kid with a marble who just
> happens to roll it in there while you are not watching? etc. etc.
>
> Remember, I am a pilot and not a builder. :-)
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>
>
>>
>> Ok HRII builders, this message was posted almost a week ago and has had
>> no
>> response. Russ has some great questions here, is there no help out
>> there?
>> Jim Stone
>> HRII
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
>> To:
>> Subject: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I have noticed that when you run water over the cowl, it works it's way
>>> down, into the intake snorkel, along the top (ceiling) of that until it
>>> ends
>>> and then drips down. The angle of the airplane on the ground lands
>>> these
>>> drips right into the intake Y valve that is on the front of the
>>> injector.
>>>
>>> Concerns here:
>>>
>>> How does the water get out of the injection/elbow?
>>>
>>> Would a sniffle valve be a solution and if so, how should it be
>>> installed?
>>>
>>> If this water were to freeze it could be a big problem. Best to plug
>>> the
>>> intake if parked outside. How best to plug that?
>>>
>>>
>>> Another thing that is bugging me. In the interest of getting maximum
>>> cooling through the cylinder fins, it would seem that you would not want
>>> any
>>> ram intake air to not go into the intake. It seems to me that the Y
>>> valve,
>>> when open, allows some of the ram pressure to go out the filter into the
>>> lower cowl. Also, any intake leak between the Y valve and the inlet
>>> snorkel
>>> in the cowl would also allow high pressure in the lower cowl. This is a
>>> hard spot to seal well without access. Any thoughts on this?
>>>
>>> Russ HRII
>>> Park City, UT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HRII intake questions |
Thanks Tom,
Speaking of the marble concern, do you think it wise to put a loose mesh in
front of the servo to avoid FOD, or would that screen become FOD due to the
high speed air rushing in? I think JH lost a jug when he ingested a nut or
bolt thru that opening.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>
> Russ and Jim,
> I remember asking John about having "anything" roll down the intake and
> then
> go into the injector. As much as I want every last inch of RAM air going
> into the injector, I have about a 0.5 inch gap between the intake and the
> "Y" valve. Therefore, any water doesn't make into the injector. Maybe
> this
> is the reason, I have the slowest Rocket.
>
> Water isn't the only issue here. What about a kid with a marble who just
> happens to roll it in there while you are not watching? etc. etc.
>
> Remember, I am a pilot and not a builder. :-)
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
>
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>
>
>>
>> Ok HRII builders, this message was posted almost a week ago and has had
>> no
>> response. Russ has some great questions here, is there no help out
>> there?
>> Jim Stone
>> HRII
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
>> To:
>> Subject: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I have noticed that when you run water over the cowl, it works it's way
>>> down, into the intake snorkel, along the top (ceiling) of that until it
>>> ends
>>> and then drips down. The angle of the airplane on the ground lands
>>> these
>>> drips right into the intake Y valve that is on the front of the
>>> injector.
>>>
>>> Concerns here:
>>>
>>> How does the water get out of the injection/elbow?
>>>
>>> Would a sniffle valve be a solution and if so, how should it be
>>> installed?
>>>
>>> If this water were to freeze it could be a big problem. Best to plug
>>> the
>>> intake if parked outside. How best to plug that?
>>>
>>>
>>> Another thing that is bugging me. In the interest of getting maximum
>>> cooling through the cylinder fins, it would seem that you would not want
>>> any
>>> ram intake air to not go into the intake. It seems to me that the Y
>>> valve,
>>> when open, allows some of the ram pressure to go out the filter into the
>>> lower cowl. Also, any intake leak between the Y valve and the inlet
>>> snorkel
>>> in the cowl would also allow high pressure in the lower cowl. This is a
>>> hard spot to seal well without access. Any thoughts on this?
>>>
>>> Russ HRII
>>> Park City, UT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: HRII intake questions |
I did. At one time, I was looking at putting some leuves (sp?) to help with
cooling and the one I got at the hardware "aviation department" store had a
wide screen in it. The mesh is about 1/4 inch square. I just use it to
protect the injector.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>
> Thanks Tom,
> Speaking of the marble concern, do you think it wise to put a loose mesh
> in
> front of the servo to avoid FOD, or would that screen become FOD due to
> the
> high speed air rushing in? I think JH lost a jug when he ingested a nut
> or
> bolt thru that opening.
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo(at)verizon.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>
>
>>
>> Russ and Jim,
>> I remember asking John about having "anything" roll down the intake and
>> then
>> go into the injector. As much as I want every last inch of RAM air going
>> into the injector, I have about a 0.5 inch gap between the intake and the
>> "Y" valve. Therefore, any water doesn't make into the injector. Maybe
>> this
>> is the reason, I have the slowest Rocket.
>>
>> Water isn't the only issue here. What about a kid with a marble who just
>> happens to roll it in there while you are not watching? etc. etc.
>>
>> Remember, I am a pilot and not a builder. :-)
>>
>> Tom Gummo
>> Apple Valley, CA
>> Harmon Rocket-II
>>
>> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Ok HRII builders, this message was posted almost a week ago and has had
>>> no
>>> response. Russ has some great questions here, is there no help out
>>> there?
>>> Jim Stone
>>> HRII
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have noticed that when you run water over the cowl, it works it's way
>>>> down, into the intake snorkel, along the top (ceiling) of that until it
>>>> ends
>>>> and then drips down. The angle of the airplane on the ground lands
>>>> these
>>>> drips right into the intake Y valve that is on the front of the
>>>> injector.
>>>>
>>>> Concerns here:
>>>>
>>>> How does the water get out of the injection/elbow?
>>>>
>>>> Would a sniffle valve be a solution and if so, how should it be
>>>> installed?
>>>>
>>>> If this water were to freeze it could be a big problem. Best to plug
>>>> the
>>>> intake if parked outside. How best to plug that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another thing that is bugging me. In the interest of getting maximum
>>>> cooling through the cylinder fins, it would seem that you would not
>>>> want
>>>> any
>>>> ram intake air to not go into the intake. It seems to me that the Y
>>>> valve,
>>>> when open, allows some of the ram pressure to go out the filter into
>>>> the
>>>> lower cowl. Also, any intake leak between the Y valve and the inlet
>>>> snorkel
>>>> in the cowl would also allow high pressure in the lower cowl. This is
>>>> a
>>>> hard spot to seal well without access. Any thoughts on this?
>>>>
>>>> Russ HRII
>>>> Park City, UT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | HPaine <hpaine(at)earthlink.net> |
Listers it is a real good idea to saftey wire (.020) the screws that hold
on the butterfly valve on either johns or airflowperformace intankes.
Yes you will have to put in new screws with saftey wire holes and yes it
looks ugly ....but not nealy as ugly as a loose screw that has done custom
machine work on your engines valves and pistons.
Harry
266HP
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
You're right on Harry.... I removed those screws and made sure the threads
and surrounding areas were super clean. Then I reinstalled them with Red
Locktite to insure they would stay in place. The only hitch is......to
remove them, you have to heat up the assembly some... Then they are still
tough to remove. That's fine with me....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "HPaine" <hpaine(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: intakes
>
>
> Listers it is a real good idea to saftey wire (.020) the screws that hold
> on the butterfly valve on either johns or airflowperformace intankes.
> Yes you will have to put in new screws with saftey wire holes and yes it
> looks ugly ....but not nealy as ugly as a loose screw that has done custom
> machine work on your engines valves and pistons.
> Harry
> 266HP
>
>
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| From: | "Dan Checkoway" <dan(at)rvproject.com> |
FYI, here's a response on this topic from Don at Airflow Performance. I
agree with his points and am not going to alter my setup (AFP FM-200 and AFP
alternate/ram air duct).
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Airflow Performance" <airflow2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Rocket-List: intakes
> Here's our take on putting lock wire on the alternate air duct
> screws. First we have very strict quality standards for assembling our
> fuel controls and components. There are process sheets used to document
> most of the assemblies we do. So if you decide to lock wire the screws on
> the alternate air duct, what about the throttle stop in the duct, what
> about the screws the throttle plate in the fuel control, what about the
> screws holding the venturi recovery on? You see my point. Also what are
> the possibility of the lock wire breaking because of poor installation
> technique? Fatigue from vibration from the air passing by and engine
pulses?
>
> I think good assembly technique and procedure out weigh putting more
> band-aids on the parts.
>
> The choice is yours.
>
> Don Rivera
> Airflow Performance
> 111 Airflow Drive
> Spartanburg, SC 29306
> Phone: 864-576-4512
> Fax: 864-576-0201
> E-Mail: Airflow2(at)bellsouth.net
>
>
> >Don,
> >
> >Just curious what your thoughts are on this (message below). I've
wondered
> >before about the screws on the valve on the AFP alternate air duct. They
> >appear to have been "loctited" in place and seemed solid to me. But
safety
> >wiring does make sense to completely rule out the possibility of the
engine
> >ingesting them. I haven't safety wired mine but am considering it just
in
> >case.
> >
> >What do you think...if the screws came loose are they light enough to be
> >ingested up the intake pipes, or are they heavy enough that they'd end up
> >just rattling around in the sump? (i.e. horizontal induction
IO-360-A1B6)
> >I haven't heard much about foreign object debris and what size/mass is
big
> >enough to avoid being sucked up the pipes.
> >
> >)_( Dan
> >RV-7 N714D
> >http://www.rvproject.com
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "HPaine" <hpaine(at)earthlink.net>
> >To: "Boyd C. Braem"
> >Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:40 PM
> >Subject: Rocket-List: intakes
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Listers it is a real good idea to saftey wire (.020) the screws that
hold
> > > on the butterfly valve on either johns or airflowperformace intankes.
> > > Yes you will have to put in new screws with saftey wire holes and yes
it
> > > looks ugly ....but not nealy as ugly as a loose screw that has done
custom
> > > machine work on your engines valves and pistons.
> > > Harry
> > > 266HP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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| From: | John Huft <rv8(at)lazy8.net> |
| Subject: | Re: HRII intake questions |
The Pitts guys have been running without airfilters for years, and they
say to use plastic screen, so if it breaks and is sucked in it won't
hurt anything.
John
Tom Gummo wrote:
>
>I did. At one time, I was looking at putting some leuves (sp?) to help with
>cooling and the one I got at the hardware "aviation department" store had a
>wide screen in it. The mesh is about 1/4 inch square. I just use it to
>protect the injector.
>
>Tom
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>
>
>
>
>>
>>Thanks Tom,
>>Speaking of the marble concern, do you think it wise to put a loose mesh
>>in
>>front of the servo to avoid FOD, or would that screen become FOD due to
>>the
>>high speed air rushing in? I think JH lost a jug when he ingested a nut
>>or
>>bolt thru that opening.
>>Jim
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo(at)verizon.net>
>>To:
>>Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Russ and Jim,
>>>I remember asking John about having "anything" roll down the intake and
>>>then
>>>go into the injector. As much as I want every last inch of RAM air going
>>>into the injector, I have about a 0.5 inch gap between the intake and the
>>>"Y" valve. Therefore, any water doesn't make into the injector. Maybe
>>>this
>>>is the reason, I have the slowest Rocket.
>>>
>>>Water isn't the only issue here. What about a kid with a marble who just
>>>happens to roll it in there while you are not watching? etc. etc.
>>>
>>>Remember, I am a pilot and not a builder. :-)
>>>
>>>Tom Gummo
>>>Apple Valley, CA
>>>Harmon Rocket-II
>>>
>>>http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
>>>To:
>>>Subject: Re: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ok HRII builders, this message was posted almost a week ago and has had
>>>>no
>>>>response. Russ has some great questions here, is there no help out
>>>>there?
>>>>Jim Stone
>>>>HRII
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
>>>>To:
>>>>Subject: Rocket-List: HRII intake questions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I have noticed that when you run water over the cowl, it works it's way
>>>>>down, into the intake snorkel, along the top (ceiling) of that until it
>>>>>ends
>>>>>and then drips down. The angle of the airplane on the ground lands
>>>>>these
>>>>>drips right into the intake Y valve that is on the front of the
>>>>>injector.
>>>>>
>>>>>Concerns here:
>>>>>
>>>>>How does the water get out of the injection/elbow?
>>>>>
>>>>>Would a sniffle valve be a solution and if so, how should it be
>>>>>installed?
>>>>>
>>>>>If this water were to freeze it could be a big problem. Best to plug
>>>>>the
>>>>>intake if parked outside. How best to plug that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Another thing that is bugging me. In the interest of getting maximum
>>>>>cooling through the cylinder fins, it would seem that you would not
>>>>>want
>>>>>any
>>>>>ram intake air to not go into the intake. It seems to me that the Y
>>>>>valve,
>>>>>when open, allows some of the ram pressure to go out the filter into
>>>>>the
>>>>>lower cowl. Also, any intake leak between the Y valve and the inlet
>>>>>snorkel
>>>>>in the cowl would also allow high pressure in the lower cowl. This is
>>>>>a
>>>>>hard spot to seal well without access. Any thoughts on this?
>>>>>
>>>>>Russ HRII
>>>>>Park City, UT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)execulink.com> |
Rocketers
It is nice to see this list active again. I have been thinking
about Russ Werner's question last week regarding water ingestion in the ram
air inlet. I asked a high time pilot if he had ever experienced a problem
flying in the rain with engine operation and he said that surprisingly no,
and that he had flown in very heavy rain conditions. Now this was in various
commercial aircraft but all of them would have had piston engines and many
would have been Lycomings. Water is a by product of combustion and the
engine temps must be enough to vaporize the ingested water. I would be
interested to hear from any other commercial pilots out there regarding
their experiences.
My HRII has the forward facing injector with the Y valve that
provides filtered air from the cowling. In rain conditions I would
certainly close the ram air door and run the filtered air. This would limit
water intake. I do not as a rule fly in rain of any intensity as I am a
chicken shit VFR pilot. I have left an opening at the bottom of the joint
between the ram air inlet and the Y valve. This would let most of the rain
and wash water out that would get in when the plane is on the ground. I
realize that this does add some high pressure air to the lower pressure
cowling area but this is one of those comprimise situations. Usually when
my plane is parked outside at air shows I shove a foam plug into the air
intake and the cooling air intakes. This keeps almost all the moisture and
dust from getting into the engine.
The real problem here with collected water is a potential
condition called hydraulic lock. If there was a lot of water lying in the
injector and elbow and you tried to start the engine it might be enough to
cause a piston to stop rather suddenly if all that water was sucked into one
cylinder. I had this happen to a tractor once and it required a new head,
ouch! Airflow performance can supply a little valve that goes into the
elbow aft of the throttle body. This valve works to let some of the
collected fuel out of the engine after shut down and I suppose it would
probably let some collected water out. I have not found the need to install
this valve on my Lycoming with the bendix throttle body.
Tom Martin
Fairlea Field
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | HPaine <hpaine(at)earthlink.net> |
>--> Gee
Will Mr rivera pay for an engine overhaul if one of his screws comes
loose?? Come on guys
a properly installed saftied screw won't come loose. At least in 30 years
I've never seen it happen.
Hmmm $1.00 worth of screws and saftey wire. $2,000-$10,000.00 engine
overhaul if your lucky enough to get
the sucker safely on the ground with you and the plane in one piece.
I don't give a rats @#$%
&*( what anyone says) I know from my experience
that an unsaftied screw can and will come loose.
Contact me offline and I'll tell you how I really feel
Harry Paine
266HP
>FYI, here's a response on this topic from Don at Airflow Performance. I
>agree with his points and am not going to alter my setup (AFP FM-200 and AFP
>alternate/ram air duct).
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Airflow Performance" <airflow2(at)bellsouth.net>
>To: "Dan Checkoway"
>Subject: Re: Fw: Rocket-List: intakes
>
>
> > Here's our take on putting lock wire on the alternate air duct
> > screws. First we have very strict quality standards for assembling our
> > fuel controls and components. There are process sheets used to document
> > most of the assemblies we do. So if you decide to lock wire the screws on
> > the alternate air duct, what about the throttle stop in the duct, what
> > about the screws the throttle plate in the fuel control, what about the
> > screws holding the venturi recovery on? You see my point. Also what are
> > the possibility of the lock wire breaking because of poor installation
> > technique? Fatigue from vibration from the air passing by and engine
>pulses?
> >
> > I think good assembly technique and procedure out weigh putting more
> > band-aids on the parts.
> >
> > The choice is yours.
> >
> > Don Rivera
> > Airflow Performance
> > 111 Airflow Drive
> > Spartanburg, SC 29306
> > Phone: 864-576-4512
> > Fax: 864-576-0201
> > E-Mail: Airflow2(at)bellsouth.net
> >
> >
> > >Don,
> > >
> > >Just curious what your thoughts are on this (message below). I've
>wondered
> > >before about the screws on the valve on the AFP alternate air duct. They
> > >appear to have been "loctited" in place and seemed solid to me. But
>safety
> > >wiring does make sense to completely rule out the possibility of the
>engine
> > >ingesting them. I haven't safety wired mine but am considering it just
>in
> > >case.
> > >
> > >What do you think...if the screws came loose are they light enough to be
> > >ingested up the intake pipes, or are they heavy enough that they'd end up
> > >just rattling around in the sump? (i.e. horizontal induction
>IO-360-A1B6)
> > >I haven't heard much about foreign object debris and what size/mass is
>big
> > >enough to avoid being sucked up the pipes.
> > >
> > >)_( Dan
> > >RV-7 N714D
> > >http://www.rvproject.com
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "HPaine" <hpaine(at)earthlink.net>
> > >To: "Boyd C. Braem"
> > >Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:40 PM
> > >Subject: Rocket-List: intakes
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Listers it is a real good idea to saftey wire (.020) the screws that
>hold
> > > > on the butterfly valve on either johns or airflowperformace intankes.
> > > > Yes you will have to put in new screws with saftey wire holes and yes
>it
> > > > looks ugly ....but not nealy as ugly as a loose screw that has done
>custom
> > > > machine work on your engines valves and pistons.
> > > > Harry
> > > > 266HP
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | arvil(at)bellsouth.net |
On large screw or bolts that don't have retaining nuts or fit in a blind hole
.032 safty wire may well be appropert for some applications, but on 10-32 or
smaller screws I perfer to use lock tight, if I feel the screw needs to be
restrained or there is a chance it could come out' another way is to stake the
screw with a punch if the screw dosen't need to be removed such as throttle
plates
Nut plates are another good choice in blind applications
Arvil Porter
HPaine wrote:
>
> >--> Gee
>
> Will Mr rivera pay for an engine overhaul if one of his screws comes
> loose?? Come on guys
> a properly installed saftied screw won't come loose. At least in 30 years
> I've never seen it happen.
> Hmmm $1.00 worth of screws and saftey wire. $2,000-$10,000.00 engine
> overhaul if your lucky enough to get
> the sucker safely on the ground with you and the plane in one piece.
>
> I don't give a rats @#$%
> &*( what anyone says) I know from my experience
> that an unsaftied screw can and will come loose.
>
> Contact me offline and I'll tell you how I really feel
> Harry Paine
> 266HP
>
> >FYI, here's a response on this topic from Don at Airflow Performance. I
> >agree with his points and am not going to alter my setup (AFP FM-200 and AFP
> >alternate/ram air duct).
> >
> >)_( Dan
> >RV-7 N714D
> >http://www.rvproject.com
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Airflow Performance" <airflow2(at)bellsouth.net>
> >To: "Dan Checkoway"
> >Subject: Re: Fw: Rocket-List: intakes
> >
> >
> > > Here's our take on putting lock wire on the alternate air duct
> > > screws. First we have very strict quality standards for assembling our
> > > fuel controls and components. There are process sheets used to document
> > > most of the assemblies we do. So if you decide to lock wire the screws on
> > > the alternate air duct, what about the throttle stop in the duct, what
> > > about the screws the throttle plate in the fuel control, what about the
> > > screws holding the venturi recovery on? You see my point. Also what are
> > > the possibility of the lock wire breaking because of poor installation
> > > technique? Fatigue from vibration from the air passing by and engine
> >pulses?
> > >
> > > I think good assembly technique and procedure out weigh putting more
> > > band-aids on the parts.
> > >
> > > The choice is yours.
> > >
> > > Don Rivera
> > > Airflow Performance
> > > 111 Airflow Drive
> > > Spartanburg, SC 29306
> > > Phone: 864-576-4512
> > > Fax: 864-576-0201
> > > E-Mail: Airflow2(at)bellsouth.net
> > >
> > >
> > > >Don,
> > > >
> > > >Just curious what your thoughts are on this (message below). I've
> >wondered
> > > >before about the screws on the valve on the AFP alternate air duct. They
> > > >appear to have been "loctited" in place and seemed solid to me. But
> >safety
> > > >wiring does make sense to completely rule out the possibility of the
> >engine
> > > >ingesting them. I haven't safety wired mine but am considering it just
> >in
> > > >case.
> > > >
> > > >What do you think...if the screws came loose are they light enough to be
> > > >ingested up the intake pipes, or are they heavy enough that they'd end up
> > > >just rattling around in the sump? (i.e. horizontal induction
> >IO-360-A1B6)
> > > >I haven't heard much about foreign object debris and what size/mass is
> >big
> > > >enough to avoid being sucked up the pipes.
> > > >
> > > >)_( Dan
> > > >RV-7 N714D
> > > >http://www.rvproject.com
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "HPaine" <hpaine(at)earthlink.net>
> > > >To: "Boyd C. Braem"
> > > >Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:40 PM
> > > >Subject: Rocket-List: intakes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Listers it is a real good idea to saftey wire (.020) the screws that
> >hold
> > > > > on the butterfly valve on either johns or airflowperformace intankes.
> > > > > Yes you will have to put in new screws with saftey wire holes and yes
> >it
> > > > > looks ugly ....but not nealy as ugly as a loose screw that has done
> >custom
> > > > > machine work on your engines valves and pistons.
> > > > > Harry
> > > > > 266HP
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | API's little intake elbow valve thingy |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
SNIP Airflow performance can supply a little valve that goes into the
elbow aft of the throttle body. This valve works to let some of the
collected fuel out of the engine after shut down and I suppose it would
probably let some collected water out. I have not found the need to
install
this valve on my Lycoming with the bendix throttle body. SNIP
I have this little valve on the bottom of my intake elbow. My
experience is that the Bendix system will burp out enough gas after
shutdown to make a 8" diameter puddle on the concrete. It all comes out
thru this little valve then out the overboard tube.
With only 17 hours on mine so far, I can't hazard a guess as to how that
much gas affects hot starts. Someone else can speculate on that. All I
can say is that the little valve does work as intended. I suppose that
it would work for water too... as long as the engine isn't running.
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: API's little intake elbow valve thingy |
In a message dated 2/1/2005 9:22:57 AM Central Standard Time,
VFrazier(at)usi.edu writes:
SNIP Airflow performance can supply a little valve that goes into the
elbow aft of the throttle body. This valve works to let some of the
collected fuel out of the engine after shut down and I suppose it would
probably let some collected water out. I have not found the need to
install
this valve on my Lycoming with the bendix throttle body. SNIP
I have this little valve on the bottom of my intake elbow. My
experience is that the Bendix system will burp out enough gas after
shutdown to make a 8" diameter puddle on the concrete. It all comes out
thru this little valve then out the overboard tube.
With only 17 hours on mine so far, I can't hazard a guess as to how that
much gas affects hot starts. Someone else can speculate on that. All I
can say is that the little valve does work as intended. I suppose that
it would work for water too... as long as the engine isn't running.
Vince
Hi Guys and Gals:
Let's consider the function of this valve:
At shut down, there is fuel trapped inn the upper deck lines & flow divider.
As the engine heat soaks, this fuel is heated, and expands to flow out of the
injector nozzles. It then flows down the intake tubes, and either lays in the
low spot (intake elbow) or flows out via the valve, or a vertical mounted fuel
controller on some ships.
Consider what this fuel turns into after 20-30 minutes of ~150F exposure if
it can't run out either the valve or fuel controller....I seriously doubt it is
combustible!
So, when you crank the engine to re-start after fueling up, the engine has to
digest this stuff first, before it can light off. Ugh....
At any rate, I've had 'em both ways (2 different Rockets), and it sure seems
to me that the valve helps in this situation. It also helps your engine resist
over-priming in the same manner: excess fuel is vented overboard.
YMMV, of course.
Carry on!
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Engine%20and%20Prop.htm
Main page, scroll 1/2 way down for gobs of pics.
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/2004-09-08/engine%20view%2
02.jpg best picture.
The brass part is a 90 degree elbow, per Don Riveria, that connects to
the blue valve from API. I put a short piece of aluminum tubing (not
shown) after the valve. When I install the cowling, I attach a 8" piece
of tygon tubing to the aluminum tubing. That is the overflow line. It
attaches to a longer length of aluminum tubing that is RTV'ed to the
bottom of the cowl and dumps the fuel overflow over the aft lip of the
cowl.
Vince
-----Original Message-----
From: Wernerworld [mailto:russ(at)wernerworld.com]
Subject: Valve
Hi Vince,
Got any photos of the valve installed?
Russ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
I'm slowly getting edgamacated on this subject!
Has anyone here tapped into an elbow from John? Do you need to weld a boss
onto the elbow to get some extra thickness?
John, where do you get your elbows from? Is it the same as the AFP 95
degreee one?
Russ
Park City
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
If you use the wiffel valve it well be open with the ram air open
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob J <rocketbob(at)gmail.com> |
Is anyone running a non-aircraft boost pump other than an AFP, dukes,
or weldon? Like a Holley "blue" or some similar high-performance
racing pump? I've been thinking about running a Holley "blue" pump
along with an external bypass and checkvalve. For the life of me
can't see anything wrong going that route as long as it can't restrict
the fuel flow when off (which it can't if there's a bypass).
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying, F1 building
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kevin Maxwell <kevmaxwell(at)mac.com> |
Bob, since no one else has responded, I'll take a shot. It seems that
automotive fuel pumps are designed to generate either a max of 15 psi
(for carb applications like the Holley pump) or about 100 psi (for FI
applications). Wanting 25-30 psi for my AFP FI, I felt the 15 psi pumps
were too low. To use a 100 psi pump would require an external pressure
regulator. The cost, weight and complexity of this arrangement
convinced me that the AFP fuel pump was an acceptable route.
Kevin Maxwell
#83
On Feb 1, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Bob J wrote:
>
> Is anyone running a non-aircraft boost pump other than an AFP, dukes,
> or weldon? Like a Holley "blue" or some similar high-performance
> racing pump? I've been thinking about running a Holley "blue" pump
> along with an external bypass and checkvalve. For the life of me
> can't see anything wrong going that route as long as it can't restrict
> the fuel flow when off (which it can't if there's a bypass).
>
> Regards,
> Bob Japundza
> RV-6 flying, F1 building
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
Many of you received an EAA survey in the e-mail today. Here's what I
put in the comments section. I hope everyone else will do the same.
Regarding Airventure: More homebuilts, more homebuilts, more
homebuilts.....LESS AIRSHOW! I get so tired of the incessant yapping
from the announcers. Shoot the yodeler.
Vince Frazier
3965 Caborn Road
Mount Vernon, IN 47620
812-464-1839 work
812-985-7309 home
F-1H Rocket, N540VF
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
It sounds like the best solution is a good inlet plug for use while parked
outdoors!
Russ
HRII N29268
Finally a Phase 2 airplane!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hr2pilot(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RE: Valve
>
> If you use the wiffel valve it well be open with the ram air open
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: Rocket Inquiry MAIN Page |
From: HarmonRocket(at)aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 13:15:39 EST
Subject: Fwd: Rocket Inquiry MAIN Page
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Harmon Rocket, LLC
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Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:35:32 -0800
From: support(at)ncws.com
Subject: Rocket Inquiry MAIN Page
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
() on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 at 17:35:29
Email: gertivs(at)netzero.net
Name: Gerti VanderSchuur
Question: Can you give me any information on where to get a canopy cover for the
Rocket.
Thank you
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn(at)verizon.net> |
"rv10-list"
| Subject: | Engine questions |
Some time ago I found a Lyc engine manual (2002 verison) on line and gleaned
this info. We have the IO-540 J4A5 in HRII N561FS and had to change to Slick
mags because of firewall interference. Very tight fit for spin-on oil filter
but is serviceable. We are not turbo. Injection is Bendix and rebuilt to -11
mod. Engine complete as/was, it came from a ground looped Skybolt. Rebuilt
with 6 new jugs. For information only, your mileage may vary. KABONG (GBA
& GWB) 8*)
IO-540 J4A5 Shown as installed only in Piper Aircraft, Aztec PA-23 "250"
IO-540 J4A5 250HP @2575 rpm 8.50 comp. Same as IO-540 C4B5 except for:
Conversion for use w/
turbocharger - long reach plugs, pistion cooling jets, AN fuel
pump drive, vertical fuel nozzles & 1200 series magnetos.
IO-540 C4B5 250HP @2575 rpm 8.50 comp. Same as IO-540 C1B5 but with more
effective counterweights for
use with Hartzell "compact" propeller.
IO-540 C1B5 250HP @2575 rpm 8.50 comp. Same as O-540 A1D5 but with
Bendix fuel injection.
O-540 A1D5 250HP @2575 rpm 8.50 comp. Same as O-540 A1B5 except for
retard breaker mags.
O-540 A1B5 250HP @2575 rpm 8.50 comp. Same as 0-540 A1A5 except for
short propeller governor studs &
two impulse mags.
O-540 A1A5 250HP @2575 rpm 8.50 comp. Same as 0-540 A1A except for 1
fifth & 1 sixth order weights.
O-540 A1A 250HP @2575 rpm 8.50 comp. Two sixth order counterweights.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "FRED LAFORGE" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | HRII Fusilage Jig |
It looks like I will be finished with my Fusilage jig in a couple of weeks.
Its made of 1/4 in wall box tubing. Im in So Cal and would like to sell it.
909-599-7334 in the evening.
Fred LaForge RV-4 0-360 CS EAA Tech Counselor
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Norman Younie <rv6capt(at)pacificcoast.net> |
How are you guys locking the canopy on the F1?
Norman Younie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Pressure check hoses |
Can anyone recommend a place that will pressure check my oil and fuel lines that
I built up on site?
I would like to pump them up to 500-1000 psi or so.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Louisville
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Pressure check hoses |
| From: | "BPA" <BPA(at)bpaengines.com> |
Try Precision Hose Technology in Tulsa OK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Subject: Rocket-List: Pressure check hoses
Can anyone recommend a place that will pressure check my oil and fuel
lines that I built up on site?
I would like to pump them up to 500-1000 psi or so.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Louisville
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill and Janet Asbell" <cottonwood(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pressure check hoses |
see if you have a "AEROQUIP" truck hose supplier he might be able to do
it.There is one in EVV on Lloyd Epwy that can.
Bill A #32 helper
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Pressure check hoses
>
> Can anyone recommend a place that will pressure check my oil and fuel
lines that I built up on site?
> I would like to pump them up to 500-1000 psi or so.
> Thanks,
> Jim Stone
> Louisville
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
SNIP Can anyone recommend a place that will pressure check my oil and
fuel lines that I built up on site?
I would like to pump them up to 500-1000 psi or so.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
SNIP
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Engine%20and%20Prop.htm
scroll about 2/3 of the way down or CTRL F on "pressure test" to find an
EASY, CHEAP, HOMEMADE way to pressure test your hoses up to 2000psi.
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jones15183(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/14/05 |
at.a.big.ISP(at)matronics.com
Jim, get yourself a bottle of Nitrogen, and regulator with gages, you can
then test as high as 2500 PSI. if you choose. (An easy hook up..).. be safe
though....This might be a little too high tho..billy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | hose testing.... need hydraulic pump |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
Jim,
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=2567
Here it is... a whopping $35 bucks.
All you need now is an assortment of AN plugs and AN flare/pipe fittings
to adapt the hose to be tested to the pump. Easy. Any hose store has
them, or ACS or Wicks.
Vince
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Stone [mailto:jrstone(at)insightbb.com]
Subject: Re: hose testing
Vince,
Went to Harbor Freight, no hyd pumps. Just did a search on Tool
Centrals site, no luck. Any ideas where I can get one of these?
Thanks,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Subject: hose testing
SNIP Can anyone recommend a place that will pressure check my oil and
fuel lines that I built up on site?
I would like to pump them up to 500-1000 psi or so.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
SNIP
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Engine%20and%20Prop.htm
scroll about 2/3 of the way down or CTRL F on "pressure test" to find an
EASY, CHEAP, HOMEMADE way to pressure test your hoses up to 2000psi.
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | RE: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/15/05 |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
Jim, get yourself a bottle of Nitrogen, and regulator with gages, you
can then test as high as 2500 PSI. if you choose. (An easy hook
up..).. be safe
though....This might be a little too high tho..billy
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*******************
With all due respect to Billy, this is a poor idea. Hydraulic fliud is
noncompressible, so if you have a hose failure all you get is a little
squirt of fluid. If you have the same failure while using nitrogen,
air, or any other gas, you're liable to have parts flying all over the
room putting dents in your airplane, your skull, etc..
The hydraulic pressure is very easy to control. Controlling gas
pressure?????....well, just imagine what a 2500psi fart would do to your
butt.
Regardless of whether you use gas or hyd. fluid, it's a good idea to
throw a towel, bag of lead shot, or other weight over the hose just in
case. Pros who use gas pressure to test do so in a blow-proof box.
Vince
************************************************************************
*********************
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: hose testing.... need hydraulic pump |
Thanks for the steer,
I failed to search their website after trying the store here in Louisville.
I will order one today. Do you know if I need a special gage that works
with fluids?
Thanks Vince,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Subject: Rocket-List: hose testing.... need hydraulic pump
>
> Jim,
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=2567
> Here it is... a whopping $35 bucks.
>
> All you need now is an assortment of AN plugs and AN flare/pipe fittings
> to adapt the hose to be tested to the pump. Easy. Any hose store has
> them, or ACS or Wicks.
>
> Vince
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Stone [mailto:jrstone(at)insightbb.com]
> To: Frazier, Vincent A
> Subject: Re: hose testing
>
> Vince,
> Went to Harbor Freight, no hyd pumps. Just did a search on Tool
> Centrals site, no luck. Any ideas where I can get one of these?
> Thanks,
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
> To:
> Subject: hose testing
>
>
> SNIP Can anyone recommend a place that will pressure check my oil and
> fuel lines that I built up on site?
> I would like to pump them up to 500-1000 psi or so.
> Thanks,
> Jim Stone
> SNIP
>
>
> http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Engine%20and%20Prop.htm
> scroll about 2/3 of the way down or CTRL F on "pressure test" to find an
> EASY, CHEAP, HOMEMADE way to pressure test your hoses up to 2000psi.
>
> Vince
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
The entrance opens, two men dressed in pilots' uniforms walk up the aisle. Both
are wearing dark glasses, one is using a guide dog, and the other is tapping
his way along the aisle with a cane.
Nervous laughter spreads through the cabin, but the men enter the cockpit, the
door closes, and the engines start up.
The passengers begin glancing nervously around, searching for some sign that this
is just a little practical joke. None is forthcoming. The plane moves faster
and faster down the runway, and the people sitting in the window seats realize
they're headed straight for the water at the edge of the airport territory.
As it begins to look as though the plane will plough into the water, panicked
screams fill the cabin.
At that moment, the plane lifts smoothly into the air. The passengers relax and
laugh a little sheepishly, and soon all retreat into their magazines, secure
in the knowledge that the plane is in good hands.
In the cockpit, one of the blind pilots turns to the other and says, "You know,
Frank, one of these days, they're gonna scream too late and we're all gonna die!!
======================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | intercom/audio panel |
With the rather loud ambient noise level in the Rocket, and the need for superior
performance out of my intercom, I have yet to find the perfect unit. Can anyone
recommend one? BTW my first choice in shape is round 2.25".
Some requirements.
It needs to have music input (CD or MP3).
It should probably be stereo. Unless there is no noticeable difference from Mono
when playing music.
Separate volume controls for both radio and IC.
Having two coms, it should have a com select switch, although this could be wired
separate when using a IC.
Thanks,
Jim
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: intercom/audio panel |
Jim.... Look at DRE.. All the stuff you need. Or spend lots more money
and go with PS engineering. Can't go wrong with either
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: intercom/audio panel
>
> With the rather loud ambient noise level in the Rocket, and the need for
superior performance out of my intercom, I have yet to find the perfect
unit. Can anyone recommend one? BTW my first choice in shape is round
2.25".
> Some requirements.
> It needs to have music input (CD or MP3).
> It should probably be stereo. Unless there is no noticeable difference
from Mono when playing music.
> Separate volume controls for both radio and IC.
> Having two coms, it should have a com select switch, although this could
be wired separate when using a IC.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: intercom/audio panel |
I like my Sigtronics SPA-4S and the Sennheiser HMEC 300 ANC headsets
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Riley <Richard(at)Riley.net> |
| Subject: | Re: intercom/audio panel |
Take a look at the DRE-244e. It's that small, though it's not round.
If you decide that's what you want let me know, I have one that I'll make
you a deal on.
At 06:57 AM 2/26/05, you wrote:
>
>With the rather loud ambient noise level in the Rocket, and the need for
>superior performance out of my intercom, I have yet to find the perfect
>unit. Can anyone recommend one? BTW my first choice in shape is round 2.25".
>Some requirements.
>It needs to have music input (CD or MP3).
>It should probably be stereo. Unless there is no noticeable difference
>from Mono when playing music.
>Separate volume controls for both radio and IC.
>Having two coms, it should have a com select switch, although this could
>be wired separate when using a IC.
>
>Thanks,
>Jim
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WiningsJ(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: intercom/audio panel |
In a message dated 2/26/2005 10:03:54 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
jrstone(at)insightbb.com writes:
> With the rather loud ambient noise level in the Rocket, and the need for
> superior performance out of my intercom, I have yet to find the perfect unit.
> Can anyone recommend one?
I had a Sigtronics SPA400N on my RV-4. I changed to a PS Engineering 1000 II
to get 2 volume and squelch controls. What a mistake! On my Rocket, I used
an ICOM A200 and Sigtronics SCI-2 (two volume and squelch controls) with
Peltor headsets with ANR addition. They are working great. Jim Winings #34 -
44+
hours. 317/718-3415.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: intercom/audio panel |
Thanks John, I'll check that pair out.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hr2pilot(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: intercom/audio panel
>
> I like my Sigtronics SPA-4S and the Sennheiser HMEC 300 ANC headsets
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: intercom/audio panel |
Ok. I'll bite. What was wrong with the PS 1000 II? I recently put one in
my -4 and felt I had moved up in the world!
Ivan Haecker -4 1130 hrs. S. Cen. TX Sloooooowly building an
F-1
----- Original Message -----
From: <WiningsJ(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: intercom/audio panel
>
> I had a Sigtronics SPA400N on my RV-4. I changed to a PS Engineering 1000
II
> to get 2 volume and squelch controls. What a mistake!
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WiningsJ(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: intercom/audio panel |
In a message dated 2/27/2005 10:57:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
baremetl(at)gvtc.com writes:
> What was wrong with the PS 1000 II?
I felt the PS 1000 II was inferior to Sigtronics in sound quality with more
background noise even though it was much more expensive. J. Winings #34
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Intercomm's ETC. |
I installed a PS Engineering 1000 in my Harmon Rocket II. But I also
installed about 8 lbs. of Super Soundproofing on the floor, firewall, under the
instrument cover (the best place), and along the sidewalls clear on through the
baggage pit. I absolutely could not believe the difference. I wouldn't
even guess the decible readings, but I can say without any question, the noise
level decreased to about one half. I am considering lining the aluminum
portions of the tilt canopy with it as well. I know everyone is concerned about
the excess weight of such options. I am paying about a 6 lb. penalty for my
incredibly comfortable polystyrene bucket seat, and 8 lbs. for the sound
proofing. But unlike some other options, I use both of these on every flight,
and
to my great satisfaction. Les Featherston N206KT('s) "Airgasm" has
given 163 hours of pleasure.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Intercomm's ETC. |
I have been looking for a good seat, could you point me in the
direction of where you found it and about how much did it cost if you
remember.
Thanks,
Ernest Hale
HRII
N540HB
On Mar 1, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Morocketman(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> I installed a PS Engineering 1000 in my Harmon Rocket II. But I also
> installed about 8 lbs. of Super Soundproofing on the floor, firewall,
> under the
> instrument cover (the best place), and along the sidewalls clear on
> through the
> baggage pit. I absolutely could not believe the difference. I
> wouldn't
> even guess the decible readings, but I can say without any question,
> the noise
> level decreased to about one half. I am considering lining the
> aluminum
> portions of the tilt canopy with it as well. I know everyone is
> concerned about
> the excess weight of such options. I am paying about a 6 lb. penalty
> for my
> incredibly comfortable polystyrene bucket seat, and 8 lbs. for the
> sound
> proofing. But unlike some other options, I use both of these on
> every flight, and
> to my great satisfaction. Les Featherston N206KT('s) "Airgasm"
> has
> given 163 hours of pleasure.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Intercomm's ETC. |
Les-
Tell me more about your polystyrene seat. Are you sure it is not poly
propylene? Styrene seems as though it would be weak. Where did you get
it?
Ron Carter
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Morocketman(at)aol.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Intercomm's ETC.
I installed a PS Engineering 1000 in my Harmon Rocket II. But I also
installed about 8 lbs. of Super Soundproofing on the floor, firewall,
under the
instrument cover (the best place), and along the sidewalls clear on
through the
baggage pit. I absolutely could not believe the difference. I
wouldn't
even guess the decible readings, but I can say without any question,
the noise
level decreased to about one half. I am considering lining the
aluminum
portions of the tilt canopy with it as well. I know everyone is
concerned about
the excess weight of such options. I am paying about a 6 lb. penalty
for my
incredibly comfortable polystyrene bucket seat, and 8 lbs. for the
sound
proofing. But unlike some other options, I use both of these on every
flight, and
to my great satisfaction. Les Featherston N206KT('s) "Airgasm"
has
given 163 hours of pleasure.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Intercomm's ETC. |
Hi Ron, I have so much to tell about the seat that I would like to talk on
the phone. If that doesn't meet with your approval I will type till I faint.
417-466-4663 Tonite is ok. I am on Central Time so I will fade about 10:30
CST. Tomorrow, I will be available until 10:30 AM. then maybe on Thursday.
Les
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Intercomm's ETC. |
Hi Earnest, I have soooooo much to tell you regarding the seats, that I
would prefer to talk on the phone. 417-466-4663 If that doesn't meet with your
approval, I will type till my fingers bleed. Let me know. Tonite is ok
till about 10:00PM Central time. Kind of busy after 10:30AM tomorrow until
Thursday. Les
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Builder Feedback Requested for Kitplanes Article (Alternative |
Engines)
Hello everyone,
I've subscribed (quietly) to this list for a little more than a year, and
would like to hear from you if you're a builder who has successfully
installed and flown an alternative engine in your plane. I'm writing a
builder's roundup for Kitplanes magazine, and am looking for an installation
that's flown for a minimum of 150 hours, and is currently flying.
For the builders that we profile, the magazine will also be able to pay you
$100 for the write-up. We would also need at least 2-3 good photos,
including a close-up of the engine and an overall shot of the aircraft.
Additional photos would be great, and all photos will be returned. If you
have digital photos, it is very important that they be high-resolution, at
least 300 dpi.
I have a list of specific areas to address if you'd like to participate, but
we can handle that off-line.
Please feel free to contact me off-line at:
cory @ lightspeededit.com (remove the spaces - my anti-spam protection)
or reply offline to my list email address.
I have a rather short deadline, so if you're able to contact me as soon as
you're able, I would greatly appreciate it!
Thank you so much!
best,
Cory Emberson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry James" <larry(at)ncproto.com> |
| Subject: | elevator trim travels |
Hello !!
A few people have referred to the Rocket as a "trim aircraft" referring to
the relatively large amounts of elevator trim necessary to account for the
relatively large movement of CG with pax/no-pax/baggage/no-baggage. Can
anyone give me some ideas on how much travel is useful and where neutral
should really be and what amount of sensitivity are most useful in the
elevator trim system ??
thanks !!
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA HR2 -fuselage/systems-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Stroud" <dstroud(at)rogers.com> |
Lads, I've come across a Cont. IO520 zero time with crank AD taken care of
that may become available soon. Full logs with the engine. 300 hp from a C206
I believe. Is this engine appropriate for the Rocket? Anyone interested if it does
become avail? Thanks.
David Stroud
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rocket engines |
SPAM
MT Propeller has a Rocket propeller available for that engine. With
standard or counterweighted blades.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 03/08/2005 5:39:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,
dstroud(at)rogers.com writes:
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "David Stroud"
Lads, I've come across a Cont. IO520 zero time with crank AD taken care of
that may become available soon. Full logs with the engine. 300 hp from a C206
I believe. Is this engine appropriate for the Rocket? Anyone interested if
it does
become avail? Thanks.
David Stroud
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rocket engines |
In a message dated 3/8/2005 10:17:04 AM Central Standard Time,
LesDrag(at)aol.com writes:
Lads, I've come across a Cont. IO520 zero time with crank AD taken care of
that may become available soon. Full logs with the engine. 300 hp from a C206
I believe. Is this engine appropriate for the Rocket? Anyone interested if
it does
become avail? Thanks.
David Stroud
Hey David:
While that may be a suitable engine, as far as I know there is no engine
mount built for it.
Carry on!
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Bettis" <gbettis(at)bak.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Van's IO540 Baffle Kit |
Has anyone tried Van's RV-10 (I)O540 baffle kit on a HRII? How's the fit and quality?
Gary
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "FRED LAFORGE" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Van's IO540 Baffle Kit |
I have one ordered
Fred LaForge RV-4 0-360 CS EAA Tech Counselor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Bettis" <gbettis(at)bak.rr.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Van's IO540 Baffle Kit
>
> Has anyone tried Van's RV-10 (I)O540 baffle kit on a HRII? How's the fit
> and quality?
>
> Gary
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Loren Harmon" <landsharmon(at)tc3net.com> |
| Subject: | Van's IO540 Baffle Kit |
The quality of the kit is excellent. The fit to the cylinders is great. It
will take some trimming to make it fit your block, and a whole lot of
trimming to make it fit inside of the cowling. Much better than starting
with a flat piece of aluminum by many, many hours.
Loren Harmon
s/n 76
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Bettis
Subject: Rocket-List: Van's IO540 Baffle Kit
Has anyone tried Van's RV-10 (I)O540 baffle kit on a HRII? How's the fit
and quality?
Gary
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dorothy Ruschke" <gdrus(at)indianvalley.com> |
I have a Harmon Rocket cowling, canopy frame, exhaust system and RV-4 wing tips
(left and right) for sale. All for $1,000.00. Will not split. You pick up.
email me off list gdrus(at)indianvalley.com
Gerry Ruschke
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dorothy Ruschke" <gdrus(at)indianvalley.com> |
I have a Harmon Rocket cowling, canopy frame, exhaust system and RV-4 wing tips
(left and right) for sale. All for $1,000.00. Will not split. You pick up.
I am in Illinois. email me off list.
Gerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lee Armstrong <kevin(at)bondedcomponents.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | GB Rocket & Info Request |
Hi Guys,
My farther (Kevin Armstrong) has now almost completed his HRII here in
England, its the first one in the UK and as such needs as many details
on numbers flying and hours done as possible to convince our flying
authorities that it is safe and suitable. Its by far the fastest home
built aircraft here and so they are quite nervous.
We have been mining www.landings.com and their database for F1/Harmon
Rocket II owners and he will shortly be sending out a quick
questionnaire requesting this sort of info, however the more info we can
initially bombard the authorities with the better and as such is it
possible for you guys to post details of the following:
FYI : This one is registered G-RCKT !
Full Name :
Registration (N-Number) :
First Flight/When Complete :
Hours Flown (approx):
Thanks,
Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: GB Rocket & Info Request |
Hi Lee, My name is Les Featherston. My Harmon Rocket II with Lycoming
IO-540/260HP was first flown on August 12th, 2003. N206KT has 167 hours on it,
and approximately 225 takeoff and landings. I might contribute some
authoritative help for you as I am a retired airline pilot with 17,500 hours.
Two-thirds of that time was in high performance jets such as the Northrup T-38,
North American F-100, and all of the United Airlines fleet except the DC-8. I
have just over 520 hours in the Van's RV-4 w Lycoming IO-360/180HP. I can
assure anyone that the Rocket is every bit as "sweet flying" machine as the RV-4.
(Of which I am sure there are many in GB) Properly flown, it is in no way
shape or form, a tricky or sensitive airplane. It is not a high performance
airplane in the sense of needing exceptional flying skills. It just needs to
be respected much like a Beech Bonanza, Mooney, or any of the Van's series
of homebuilt aircraft. I hope this helps you, Les Featherston P.S. The
Titanic was built by professionals, and the Ark by amateurs.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lee Armstrong <kevin(at)bondedcomponents.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: GB Rocket & Info Request |
Hi Les,
> have just over 520 hours in the Van's RV-4 w Lycoming IO-360/180HP.
I can
> assure anyone that the Rocket is every bit as "sweet flying" machine
as the RV-4.
>
> (Of which I am sure there are many in GB) Properly flown, it is in
no way
> shape or form, a tricky or sensitive airplane. It is not a high
performance
> airplane in the sense of needing exceptional flying skills. It just
needs to
Speaking of the RV-4, my farther was also the first to bring one of
those into GB, some 14-15 years ago, its registered G-BROP and was
purchased over in Bakersfield and i think was actually one of the
prototypes ! That one he bought complete, crated it and shipped it over
and stuck it back together. In fact the CAA/PFA gave it a temporary
aproval and forgot about it and he flew it for a year or so before they
realized it hadn't been properly approved so the official test flight
was a year late !
He was also instrumental in getting a mod done to the engine mount/leg
fixings as he landed on a rough farm strip one day with a friend, had
dinner and took off again, including a victory roll out of the strip. It
was only when he landed home and got out and saw the plane was slouching
to one side, took off the cowls, found out what was wrong and realized
how lucky he had been !
cya,
Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
Has anyone found a source for the AN5812 pitot tube.
Spruce has them for 1200.00, but, this includes the connector of course, so I guess
it's worth it.
A year ago or so they were just 300. WTFO???
I picked one up used for 100 bucks, the salvage guy said it was in great shape
except for some minor surface corrosion.
It was junk. Heavy corrosion, one of the mounting holes had a broken off screw
stuck in it. He charged me 18.00 for COD, which I didn't ask for then it cost
me 8 more to send it back. Only the 100.00 was refunded. I don't recommend
doing business with him.
BTW, his name is Joe Jenkins in Wyoming Delaware.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Unger <danunger(at)direcway.com> |
I just replaced the pitot tube on my Cessna 180, mounting bracket through
the tip plus the heating element and spent half as much as Spruce...try
Yingling for the parts they advertise in Trade-a-Plane....
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Pitot tube
>
> Has anyone found a source for the AN5812 pitot tube.
>
> Spruce has them for 1200.00, but, this includes the connector of course,
> so I guess it's worth it.
>
> A year ago or so they were just 300. WTFO???
>
> I picked one up used for 100 bucks, the salvage guy said it was in great
> shape except for some minor surface corrosion.
> It was junk. Heavy corrosion, one of the mounting holes had a broken off
> screw stuck in it. He charged me 18.00 for COD, which I didn't ask for
> then it cost me 8 more to send it back. Only the 100.00 was refunded. I
> don't recommend doing business with him.
> BTW, his name is Joe Jenkins in Wyoming Delaware.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim Stone
>
>
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| From: | Matt Finkelstein <mfinkmd(at)hargray.com> |
Jim,
Try Central Air Parts. About a year ago, I bought one for considerably
less. Probe was new in the box. http://www.cent-air.com/
Matt Finkelstein
on 3/16/05 7:17 PM, Dan Unger at danunger(at)direcway.com wrote:
>
> I just replaced the pitot tube on my Cessna 180, mounting bracket through
> the tip plus the heating element and spent half as much as Spruce...try
> Yingling for the parts they advertise in Trade-a-Plane....
>
> Dan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
> To:
> Subject: Rocket-List: Pitot tube
>
>
>>
>> Has anyone found a source for the AN5812 pitot tube.
>>
>> Spruce has them for 1200.00, but, this includes the connector of course,
>> so I guess it's worth it.
>>
>> A year ago or so they were just 300. WTFO???
>>
>> I picked one up used for 100 bucks, the salvage guy said it was in great
>> shape except for some minor surface corrosion.
>> It was junk. Heavy corrosion, one of the mounting holes had a broken off
>> screw stuck in it. He charged me 18.00 for COD, which I didn't ask for
>> then it cost me 8 more to send it back. Only the 100.00 was refunded. I
>> don't recommend doing business with him.
>> BTW, his name is Joe Jenkins in Wyoming Delaware.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim Stone
>>
>>
>> --
>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>>
>>
>
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| From: | "Marc" <marcdn(at)sentex.ca> |
Aircraft Spruce carries a heated AN5812 pitot tube manufactured by Falcon
Part # 10-01022 for 12 volt version $398.00
Bought one about two months ago and they had plenty in stock. Quality looks
good
Marc
F1 #92, final inspection next month
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Pitot tube
>
> Has anyone found a source for the AN5812 pitot tube.
>
> Spruce has them for 1200.00, but, this includes the connector of course,
> so I guess it's worth it.
>
> A year ago or so they were just 300. WTFO???
>
> I picked one up used for 100 bucks, the salvage guy said it was in great
> shape except for some minor surface corrosion.
> It was junk. Heavy corrosion, one of the mounting holes had a broken off
> screw stuck in it. He charged me 18.00 for COD, which I didn't ask for
> then it cost me 8 more to send it back. Only the 100.00 was refunded. I
> don't recommend doing business with him.
> BTW, his name is Joe Jenkins in Wyoming Delaware.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim Stone
>
>
>
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
The list has been dead lately... so I rambled some. Vince
--------
From: Docthrock
Subject: air scoop
Did you even "dress" inside your scoop. I went an looked around your
site, and couldn't really tell. Plans say foam in and improve flow. You
think that's necessary? Lotta space under the sides of that filer tray.
Did you cut and glass in the ramps at the top of the cowl air inlets? I
guess I need foam for that, too. But that could be pink foam real easy.
Matt
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Matt,
Why? I can only get 245+ mph and 2500+'/min (easily) ROC now. Would
glassing it really help? I'd need some proof.
There are two theories... one says that smooth flow is needed. The
other says that the sharp edge keeps the air inside the scoop and the
pressure higher. Um, yeah.... whatever. Honestly, the first one is
probably true, maybe. But is it worth it?
My theory says that it takes less time to not glass the scoop and it's
one less fiberglass joint to crack the paint later.
I have NO inlet ramps glassed to my cowl.
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/2004-06-02/fiberglass%20to
p%201.jpg
The plenum takes the place of ramps. As far as I can tell, my inlets
and outlet are somewhat unique. I did NOT trim the inlets to anything
near what others do. They are relatively small.
Other oddities: my prop governor is OUT of the airstream, and my plenum
is made from ordinary West epoxy which supposedly will sag with too much
heat.
My outlet is probably the smallest that I have seen on any Rocket. I
don't have the funky "step" to my UGLIFs, the bottom of my cowl is held
to the fuselage tightly by a screw near each gear leg... never seen that
on any other Rocket. I didn't trim the length at the rear of the cowl
at all... it's much farther aft than any other I've seen.
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/2004-11-08/N540VF%20coolin
g%20outlet.jpg
Warning.... YMMV. However, my mileage is that my hottest CHT yesterday
was 340 F. It was in the low 60s OAT on the ground. Of course, it
ain't summertime yet either, but so far I've had more problems keeping
things warm than having anything get too hot. Oil temp yesterday was
160F until I closed the cooler door (see below).
I am very happy with the Skybolt fasteners. They help make the cowl
on/off a truly one man operation. In fact, I won't let anyone help me
take the cowling on/off stuff because they just get in the way (and
"helpers" usually help make a new scratch!).
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/2003-08-25/cowl%20installa
tion%2014.jpg
Did I mention that I absolutely love the 3M paint protection tape. It
rules.
I'll tell you truthfully... I would not change anything if I were doing
another cowl today. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Zero!
I also put an oil cooler butterfly door on yesterday. Worked well. I
could raise the oil temps 50 F by closing it off. It still needs a bit
of work. The lawn mower type push/pull control that I installed wasn't
able to make the fine adjustments that I'd like to see. Basically, it
was on or off. I'll get a better, vernier type control for it soon.
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Additions%20after%2010-27-
04.htm
Balancing the injectors and balancing the prop on on my hot list now. I
can't run LOP without being right on the edge of the engine stumbling.
And the prop balancing just seems like something that should be
investigated at least once to minimize the already low vibes from the
Hartzell 2-blade.
More ramblings:
One of the local weenies at Skylane airport has a Navion that he thinks
is pretty fast. Some time ago, my buddy, John C., was able to run him
down easily in his RV-6 going only 190mph. I spotted the Navion below
me yesterday and felt compelled to show him what 250 looked like. Tom
M.'s passenger once commented about "those planes flying backwards." Oh
man, was he ever! BWA HA HA HA HA! I'm certain that I was at least
100mph faster than he was.
I also spotted a C-172 yesterday. Alas, he escaped into the EVV class C
airspace before I could swoop in for the kill. Then I spotted a DC-9
headed for EVV. This time I ran for cover. I was so upset by having a
faster airplane in my airspace that I felt compelled to strafe my
buddy's shop a couple times. (So, I'm a butthead? Why are you building
your Rocket!??? LOL) My buddy, Keith M., has a Quicksilver GT-500 in
his shop for overhaul. He likes for his friends to remind him that he's
not flying... what the heck, he did the same thing to me last year. I
thought he'd knocked the shingles off of my shop more than once.
I'll post this to the list also... they've been too quiet lately. I
might have to post a few primer comments or start a fight about where
the 3rd wheel belongs. LOL
For the listers: If you're not working furiously to finish your
Rocket.... why not?! Man, these things are a hoot.
Vince
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 3/23/2005 2:58:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rocket-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
For the listers: If you're not working furiously to finish your
Rocket.... why not?! Man, these things are a hoot.
Vince,
Check six. I'll finish my -8A by Feb and I'm coming to IN looking for you.
Stan Sutterfield
www.rv-8a.net
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Hi Vince,
Don't discourage the targets!
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 03/24/2005 6:12:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
VFrazier(at)usi.edu writes:
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Frazier, Vincent A"
SNIP
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Re: Ramblings
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Speedy11(at)aol.com
In a message dated 3/23/2005 2:58:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rocket-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
For the listers: If you're not working furiously to finish your
Rocket.... why not?! Man, these things are a hoot.
Vince,
Check six. I'll finish my -8A by Feb and I'm coming to IN looking for
you.
Stan Sutterfield
www.rv-8a.net
SNIP
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Stan,
You've got a nice looking website, and the RV-8A is a totally fun plane,
but I've already got RV-8A spanking experience under my belt. Why
suffer the embarrassment? ;-)
All in fun,
Vince
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| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
Hey Vince, Which way is Stan coming from? If he's coming by here, I'll take
care of him and save you for "incoming from the north and east". I love it,
that they never catch on. Les "Airgasm" N206KT has 171 hours, and I lost
count of the "kills". Do not archive!
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| From: | "Emrath" <emrath(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer |
Fuel monitor question for listers: where and how are folks mounting fuel
flow transducers on fuel injected engines? A discussion on the Lycoming
list a while back suggests mounting the Flowscan 201 in the line from the
servo to the distribution spider and supporting the line, not the
transducer, with an Adel clamp on the nearby hose to the engine sump. Is
this what most have done? anyone have some pictures to share of what they
did in this regard? Thanks for your comments.
Marty in Brentwood TN.
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer |
I'm aware of three Rockets, including mine that have the transducer inline
between the Mech fuel pump and the fuel servo, along the sump. One placed his
upside down and lengthened the sump bolt and positively fastened it (he
complains of inaccuracy), the others have the hoses Adele clamped to the sump
bolts on either side and we've made sure to pull the transducer away from the
sump so that it does not touch. One is accurate, as for mine, I hope to know
in a couple of months....
Cal F1 116
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| From: | WiningsJ(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer |
I first mounted my flo transducer between the electric pump and engine driven
pump as per instructions. It was very erratic. I talked to Don at Air-Flo
and he said it should be mounted between the servo and flo divider. I made a
special fitting and mounted the transducer to the flo divider with a bracket
supporting it. It now works great. Jim Winings #34 317-718-3415
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer |
Hi Jim,
Could you clarify that you had 5" of straight tube prior and 2" of straight
tube after the flow sensor, as per instructions?
Right now I have mine set up downstream of the boost pump and filter
(located under left floor panel cover) and it is mounted to a bracket in the
center tunnel area just aft of the Firewall.
If this location is a known problem area, I will redoooo mine.
Jim Stone
Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: <WiningsJ(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer
>
> I first mounted my flo transducer between the electric pump and engine
> driven
> pump as per instructions. It was very erratic. I talked to Don at
> Air-Flo
> and he said it should be mounted between the servo and flo divider. I
> made a
> special fitting and mounted the transducer to the flo divider with a
> bracket
> supporting it. It now works great. Jim Winings #34 317-718-3415
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer |
In a message dated 3/25/2005 2:11:32 PM Central Standard Time,
jrstone(at)insightbb.com writes:
Hi Jim,
Could you clarify that you had 5" of straight tube prior and 2" of straight
tube after the flow sensor, as per instructions?
Right now I have mine set up downstream of the boost pump and filter
(located under left floor panel cover) and it is mounted to a bracket in the
center tunnel area just aft of the Firewall.
If this location is a known problem area, I will redoooo mine.
Jim Stone
Louisville
The tunnel location didn't work for me (different flow numbers with boost
pump on/off), so Ole 84 has the unit under the left front cyl, tied to the intake
tube. Works fine, last long time. Another good option would be between the
fuel controller and the flow divider -- smooth flow there.
Carry on!
Mark
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer |
Hey Mark,
Thanks for the tip. I want to be sure I understand your technique. By
"tied to the intake tube" do you mean zip tied, and where on the intake
tube, on the tube itself or on the case protrusion that extends out to meet
the tube? My fuel flow unit instruction says to mount securely with two
1/4" bolts. Tying just seems so far from that intent.
Thanks,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: <Mlfred(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer
>
> In a message dated 3/25/2005 2:11:32 PM Central Standard Time,
> jrstone(at)insightbb.com writes:
> Hi Jim,
> Could you clarify that you had 5" of straight tube prior and 2" of
> straight
> tube after the flow sensor, as per instructions?
> Right now I have mine set up downstream of the boost pump and filter
> (located under left floor panel cover) and it is mounted to a bracket in
> the
> center tunnel area just aft of the Firewall.
> If this location is a known problem area, I will redoooo mine.
> Jim Stone
> Louisville
> The tunnel location didn't work for me (different flow numbers with boost
> pump on/off), so Ole 84 has the unit under the left front cyl, tied to the
> intake
> tube. Works fine, last long time. Another good option would be between the
> fuel controller and the flow divider -- smooth flow there.
>
> Carry on!
> Mark
>
>
>
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| From: | "Rocket Shop" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer |
Marty,
I have mine mounted between the Servo and the Flow Divider. It is
pretty accurate and very consistent.
I mounted a small (1.5X3") plate to two pushrod tubes with Adel clamps
and mounted the transducer to that. I have the fuel line come up
through the right front intake floor then aft to the transducer and
then to the divider. It is a straight shot through the transducer. I
also wrapped the transducer with asbestos woven material to keep the
heat down. I have photos at home, but won't be there until 3/30.
Email me around then and I can forward those to you.
One question I have concerns the line from the transducer to the
divider. I have mine as a solid aluminum line, about 4 or 5 inches
long. I have nagging concerns about the failure of this piece and
what the outcome would be so I am thinking of making it a steel line.
There isn't any relative movement between the transducer and the
divider, but I would still be more comfortable with a steel piece
there. Lots of heat cycles there.
Any Rocketeers have any thoughts on that?
Russ
HRII, Park City
>
> Fuel monitor question for listers: where and how are folks mounting
fuel
> flow transducers on fuel injected engines? A discussion on the
Lycoming
> list a while back suggests mounting the Flowscan 201 in the line
from the
> servo to the distribution spider and supporting the line, not the
> transducer, with an Adel clamp on the nearby hose to the engine
sump. Is
> this what most have done? anyone have some pictures to share of what
they
> did in this regard? Thanks for your comments.
> Marty in Brentwood TN.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Randy Lervold" <randy(at)romeolima.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer |
Guys, here's another opinion... I wouldn't mount the flow sensor anywhere
attached to the engine, I believe the vibration will destroy (did in my
case) the tiny fragile jeweled turbine bearing inside it. Although on a
carbureted engine, check toward the bottom of this page for my experience...
http://www.rv-8.com/FirewallForward.htm
Cheers,
Randy Lervold
RV-3B (not quite a Rocket, but maybe a Pocket Rocket?)
www.rv-3.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocket Shop" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer
>
>
> Marty,
>
> I have mine mounted between the Servo and the Flow Divider. It is
> pretty accurate and very consistent.
>
> I mounted a small (1.5X3") plate to two pushrod tubes with Adel clamps
> and mounted the transducer to that. I have the fuel line come up
> through the right front intake floor then aft to the transducer and
> then to the divider. It is a straight shot through the transducer. I
> also wrapped the transducer with asbestos woven material to keep the
> heat down. I have photos at home, but won't be there until 3/30.
> Email me around then and I can forward those to you.
>
> One question I have concerns the line from the transducer to the
> divider. I have mine as a solid aluminum line, about 4 or 5 inches
> long. I have nagging concerns about the failure of this piece and
> what the outcome would be so I am thinking of making it a steel line.
> There isn't any relative movement between the transducer and the
> divider, but I would still be more comfortable with a steel piece
> there. Lots of heat cycles there.
>
> Any Rocketeers have any thoughts on that?
>
> Russ
> HRII, Park City
>
>
> >
> > Fuel monitor question for listers: where and how are folks mounting
> fuel
> > flow transducers on fuel injected engines? A discussion on the
> Lycoming
> > list a while back suggests mounting the Flowscan 201 in the line
> from the
> > servo to the distribution spider and supporting the line, not the
> > transducer, with an Adel clamp on the nearby hose to the engine
> sump. Is
> > this what most have done? anyone have some pictures to share of what
> they
> > did in this regard? Thanks for your comments.
> > Marty in Brentwood TN.
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| From: | WiningsJ(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer |
I used a rubber line from the servo up between #1 and #3 cylinders with a
gentle 90 degree curve (which I was told would be okay) to the flow transducer.
Out of the transducer I made a special 90 degree fitting to go directly into
the flow divider. It seems to work fine and very simple to do. I put a small
bracket to one of the case center bolts to help support the transducer. Give
me a call if you need more details. My phone # is 317-718-3415. Jim Winings
#34
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer |
Hey Russ,
Could you send those pics to me as well?
Thanks,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocket Shop" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer
>
>
> Marty,
>
> I have mine mounted between the Servo and the Flow Divider. It is
> pretty accurate and very consistent.
>
> I mounted a small (1.5X3") plate to two pushrod tubes with Adel clamps
> and mounted the transducer to that. I have the fuel line come up
> through the right front intake floor then aft to the transducer and
> then to the divider. It is a straight shot through the transducer. I
> also wrapped the transducer with asbestos woven material to keep the
> heat down. I have photos at home, but won't be there until 3/30.
> Email me around then and I can forward those to you.
>
> One question I have concerns the line from the transducer to the
> divider. I have mine as a solid aluminum line, about 4 or 5 inches
> long. I have nagging concerns about the failure of this piece and
> what the outcome would be so I am thinking of making it a steel line.
> There isn't any relative movement between the transducer and the
> divider, but I would still be more comfortable with a steel piece
> there. Lots of heat cycles there.
>
> Any Rocketeers have any thoughts on that?
>
> Russ
> HRII, Park City
>
>
>>
>> Fuel monitor question for listers: where and how are folks mounting
> fuel
>> flow transducers on fuel injected engines? A discussion on the
> Lycoming
>> list a while back suggests mounting the Flowscan 201 in the line
> from the
>> servo to the distribution spider and supporting the line, not the
>> transducer, with an Adel clamp on the nearby hose to the engine
> sump. Is
>> this what most have done? anyone have some pictures to share of what
> they
>> did in this regard? Thanks for your comments.
>> Marty in Brentwood TN.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Rocket Shop" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer |
Yup. I get home tomorrow night.
Russ
>
> Hey Russ,
> Could you send those pics to me as well?
> Thanks,
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocket Shop" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Mounting Fuel Flow Transducer
>
>
> >
> >
> > Marty,
> >
> > I have mine mounted between the Servo and the Flow Divider. It is
> > pretty accurate and very consistent.
> >
> > I mounted a small (1.5X3") plate to two pushrod tubes with Adel
clamps
> > and mounted the transducer to that. I have the fuel line come up
> > through the right front intake floor then aft to the transducer
and
> > then to the divider. It is a straight shot through the
transducer. I
> > also wrapped the transducer with asbestos woven material to keep
the
> > heat down. I have photos at home, but won't be there until 3/30.
> > Email me around then and I can forward those to you.
> >
> > One question I have concerns the line from the transducer to the
> > divider. I have mine as a solid aluminum line, about 4 or 5
inches
> > long. I have nagging concerns about the failure of this piece and
> > what the outcome would be so I am thinking of making it a steel
line.
> > There isn't any relative movement between the transducer and the
> > divider, but I would still be more comfortable with a steel piece
> > there. Lots of heat cycles there.
> >
> > Any Rocketeers have any thoughts on that?
> >
> > Russ
> > HRII, Park City
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Fuel monitor question for listers: where and how are folks
mounting
> > fuel
> >> flow transducers on fuel injected engines? A discussion on the
> > Lycoming
> >> list a while back suggests mounting the Flowscan 201 in the line
> > from the
> >> servo to the distribution spider and supporting the line, not the
> >> transducer, with an Adel clamp on the nearby hose to the engine
> > sump. Is
> >> this what most have done? anyone have some pictures to share of
what
> > they
> >> did in this regard? Thanks for your comments.
> >> Marty in Brentwood TN.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
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| From: | "Milt" <rocket(at)swmrmc.org> |
| Subject: | 2 blade to 3 blade conversion |
My 3 blade is in a truck and on its way. Those of you who have made this conversion:
do I need to alter the way I fly ie: airspeeds in the approach, landing,
TO etc????
Does it have any impact on engine cooling?
Does anyone need a 2 blade? I have Mark Frederick's original with about 300 hrs
on it.
Milt
N395V(at)direcway.com
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| From: | "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
| Subject: | 2 blade to 3 blade conversion |
How much for the 2 blade, brand, cond etc?
Ron Carter
801-298-0406
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From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Milt
Subject: Rocket-List: 2 blade to 3 blade conversion
My 3 blade is in a truck and on its way. Those of you who have made
this conversion: do I need to alter the way I fly ie: airspeeds in the
approach, landing, TO etc????
Does it have any impact on engine cooling?
Does anyone need a 2 blade? I have Mark Frederick's original with about
300 hrs on it.
Milt
N395V(at)direcway.com
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| Subject: | Re: 2 blade to 3 blade conversion |
In a message dated 3/30/2005 8:13:46 AM Central Standard Time,
rocket(at)swmrmc.org writes:
My 3 blade is in a truck and on its way. Those of you who have made this
landing, TO etc????
Does it have any impact on engine cooling?
No changes, Milt. Re-weigh your ship and come up with a new W&B chart. You
will also have to go back into Phase 1 for 5 hrs to complete the required flight
testing. Notify your local FSDO about the change too. Make the appropriately
worded notation in the logbook after the flight testing is completed.
Gotta get the paperwork right!
Cooling: a trick I learned is that when you slow down (as in approach to OSH
or LAL for the Really Big Shows), pull your RPM back to 2000 or so, and keep
the MP up a bit. This will help low speed cooling. 2300RPM/15" is not good for
cooling...
Cheers
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2 blade to 3 blade conversion |
Mark,
That's an interesting approach, high MP low RPM for cooling. I thought the
high MP causes the bigger fire and hence the higher temps.
Care to elaborate?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <Mlfred(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2 blade to 3 blade conversion
>
> In a message dated 3/30/2005 8:13:46 AM Central Standard Time,
> rocket(at)swmrmc.org writes:
> My 3 blade is in a truck and on its way. Those of you who have made this
> landing, TO etc????
>
>
> Does it have any impact on engine cooling?
> No changes, Milt. Re-weigh your ship and come up with a new W&B chart. You
> will also have to go back into Phase 1 for 5 hrs to complete the required
flight
> testing. Notify your local FSDO about the change too. Make the
appropriately
> worded notation in the logbook after the flight testing is completed.
>
> Gotta get the paperwork right!
>
> Cooling: a trick I learned is that when you slow down (as in approach to
OSH
> or LAL for the Really Big Shows), pull your RPM back to 2000 or so, and
keep
> the MP up a bit. This will help low speed cooling. 2300RPM/15" is not good
for
> cooling...
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | low end power settings 540 Lyc |
In a message dated 3/30/2005 11:54:31 AM Central Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
Mark,
That's an interesting approach, high MP low RPM for cooling. I thought the
high MP causes the bigger fire and hence the higher temps.
Care to elaborate?
Nico
No problem. I should have noted that MP could be as high as 22-23" at 2000
(the Lyc manual sez 27" is ok, but my engine shakes pretty good at any MP above
24" at 2000RPM. It feels distressed, so I don't follow that limit), but in the
'pattern' at the big shows I usually see 17-18" or so to follow their
~100KIAS rule. No problems with that power setting; cooling is good.
Some photo shoots have required this power setting too: form with a 172 = not
very fast.
Descent setting is always 20"/2000RPM -- looking for about 8.5GPH there to
keep the fire lit and temps up.
Cheers
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: Harmon Rocket inquiry |
In a message dated 3/30/2005 2:16:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Harmon
Rocket writes:
Email: breim(at)online.no
Name: Paul Ringheim
Question: Sir,
I am interested in buying a fast light airplane, either an RV-4/8 or maybe
an Harmon Rocket II, preferably with inverted fuel and oil and dual controls.
Does the Harmon Rockets and the RVs have the same fuselage and wings? Where
is the best place to start looking for an airplane ca. 1990-2000 model? And
what could I get for approx US=A7 100.000?
Are there any Harmon Rocket Clubs or builders clubs I could mail with. I am
very grateful for all kinds of information!
Regards,
Paul Ringheim, Bergen, Norway
From: HarmonRocket(at)aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:16:52 EST
Subject: Fwd: Rocket Inquiry CONSTPICNEW Page
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Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:04:25 -0800
From: support(at)ncws.com
Subject: Rocket Inquiry CONSTPICNEW Page
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
() on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 at 12:04:23
Email: breim(at)online.no
Name: Paul Ringheim
Question: Sir,
I am interested in buying a fast light airplane, either an RV-4/8 or maybe an Harmond
RocketII, preferably with inverted fuel and oil and dual controls. Does
the Harmond Rockets and the RVs have the same fuselage and wings? Where is the
best place to start looking for an airplane ca. 1990-2000 model? And what could
I get for approx US=A7 100.000?
Are there any Harmond Rocket Clubs or builders clubs I could mail with. I am very
grateful for all kinds of information!
Regards, Paul Ringheim, Bergen, Norway
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
Email: breim(at)online.no
Name: Paul Ringheim
Question: Sir,
I am interested in buying a fast light airplane, either an RV-4/8 or maybe
an Harmon Rocket II, preferably with inverted fuel and oil and dual controls.
Does the Harmon Rockets and the RVs have the same fuselage and wings? Where
is the best place to start looking for an airplane ca. 1990-2000 model? And
what could I get for approx US=A7 100.000?
Are there any Harmon Rocket Clubs or builders clubs I could mail with. I am
very grateful for all kinds of information!
Regards,
Paul Ringheim, Bergen, Norway
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: low end power settings 540 Lyc |
MARK-45"@2300rpm works good-TOM
Tom Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
President EAA Chapter 1097
wfact01(at)aol.com
249 Hard Hill Road North
PO Box 426
Bethlehem, CT 06751
Tel: 203-266-5300
Fax: 202-266-5140
EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
RV-8 TIO540SIAD(41HRS)
S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
Rocketeers,
Easier than remembering everyone who wanted photos is to just put the word
here! New photos are at:
http://www.wernerworld.com/rocket/
Russ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
Nice paint Russ! Did you paint it yourself? Wayne has paint on his
too. Dark gray, Looks like a nightfighter w/ russian stars.
Ron Carter
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wernerworld
Subject: Rocket-List: Photos updated
Rocketeers,
Easier than remembering everyone who wanted photos is to just put the
word
here! New photos are at:
http://www.wernerworld.com/rocket/
Russ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Photos updated |
Nope,
I dropped it off in Nevada at Mathews Aviation, went on an airline trip,
then went back and picked it up! All I had to do was write a check!
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Photos updated
>
> Nice paint Russ! Did you paint it yourself? Wayne has paint on his
> too. Dark gray, Looks like a nightfighter w/ russian stars.
>
> Ron Carter
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wernerworld
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Rocket-List: Photos updated
>
>
> Rocketeers,
>
> Easier than remembering everyone who wanted photos is to just put the
> word
> here! New photos are at:
>
> http://www.wernerworld.com/rocket/
>
> Russ
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Photos updated |
Russ,
When can we come and give it our official inspection?? Or bring it down
when Wayne's around and we'll have a photo op. We could take my 182 for a photo
ship and attempt to shoot some Rocket formations.
Cal
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Milt" <rocket(at)swmrmc.org> |
Put the 3 bladed MT prop on this weekend and flew it for about 3 hrs.
The vibration or whatever it was is totally gone.
Preliminary estimates are that my takeoff roll is approx 50-75 feet longer. The
tail doesn't pop right up like it used to.
ROC has decreased 50-75 FPM.
Cruise at altitude has decreased by 3-5 knots.
Subjectively it appears less stressful to the engine. CHTs at similar power settings
are 10-20 deg less. It also appears more responsive to changes in the prop
control i.e. faster in changing pitch.
Sound level in the cockpit has decreased significantly.
The plane has become even more of a chick magnet (if that's possible)
Glad I made the change.
Milt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | cowling pilot tool |
I have loaned out (5) of the tools for mounting the cowling and I can't find
any of them.
Can any one help?
John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: cowling pilot tool |
I returned the one I used. :-)
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hr2pilot(at)aol.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: cowling pilot tool
>
> I have loaned out (5) of the tools for mounting the cowling and I can't
> find
> any of them.
> Can any one help?
> John
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: cowling pilot tool |
Hi John, I passed the one you loaned me onto Dean Berry. He may still have
it. Larry Schneider.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Hr2pilot(at)aol.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: cowling pilot tool
>
> I have loaned out (5) of the tools for mounting the cowling and I can't
> find
> any of them.
> Can any one help?
> John
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris Fordham" <consult(at)island.net> |
| Subject: | Canadian 51% rule? |
Hi
This pertains more to the Canadian HR2 rocket builders.
I finally have got around to applying for a letter of intent to build a
Harmon Rocket with the Canadian MD -RA. (Better late than never!) They have answered
me back saying I need an inspection to determine that the Rocket fits
the 51% rule. They all agree that yes it does meet the requirment but it isn't
on the list, and if its not on the list you must have an inspection. I was just
going to order up the inspection to keep everybody happy until I found out
the inspection is $200.00. Seems a bit much for something that everyone agrees
isn't needed. Anyone else run up against this? Anyway around it?
Thanks
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Marc" <marcdn(at)sentex.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Canadian 51% rule? |
NO
Just add this to the list of useless fees to be paid.
Marc (F1#92)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Fordham" <consult(at)island.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: Canadian 51% rule?
>
> Hi
> This pertains more to the Canadian HR2 rocket builders.
> I finally have got around to applying for a letter of intent to
> build a Harmon Rocket with the Canadian MD -RA. (Better late than never!)
> They have answered me back saying I need an inspection to determine that
> the Rocket fits the 51% rule. They all agree that yes it does meet the
> requirment but it isn't on the list, and if its not on the list you must
> have an inspection. I was just going to order up the inspection to keep
> everybody happy until I found out the inspection is $200.00. Seems a bit
> much for something that everyone agrees isn't needed. Anyone else run up
> against this? Anyway around it?
> Thanks
> Chris
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Canadian 51% rule? |
My Rocket was built by Martin Heisler up in Canada, not sure what he
did but you could try to reach him, the last email i had for him was
martinheisler(at)hotmail.com
E
On Apr 5, 2005, at 11:09 PM, Chris Fordham wrote:
>
> Hi
> This pertains more to the Canadian HR2 rocket builders.
> I finally have got around to applying for a letter of intent
> to build a Harmon Rocket with the Canadian MD -RA. (Better late than
> never!) They have answered me back saying I need an inspection to
> determine that the Rocket fits the 51% rule. They all agree that yes
> it does meet the requirment but it isn't on the list, and if its not
> on the list you must have an inspection. I was just going to order up
> the inspection to keep everybody happy until I found out the
> inspection is $200.00. Seems a bit much for something that everyone
> agrees isn't needed. Anyone else run up against this? Anyway around
> it?
> Thanks
> Chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Aerostar" <aerostar(at)xtra.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Fuel Tank vent line. |
Could someone confirm the size of the vent line in the tank it looks like 1/4 inch.
Frank Higham Kiwi Rocket
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| Subject: | Wally Messages Stopped! |
Dear Listers,
My sincere apologies! At about 4:30am this morning there was an odd system
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| Subject: | [ Jeff Deuchar ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
| From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Jeff Deuchar
Lists: RV-List,Rocket-List
Subject: Photos of Eric Hansen's rocket with new paint scheme, and Ken
Fowler's rocket.
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/F1Rocket@telus.net.04.12.2005/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
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Email the information above and your files and photos to:
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [ Jeff Deuchar ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
Hey Jeff.... How do we get in touch with Eric?
Email?
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Email List Photo Shares" <pictures(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: [ Jeff Deuchar ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
>
>
> A new Email List Photo Share is available:
>
> Poster: Jeff Deuchar
>
> Lists: RV-List,Rocket-List
>
> Subject: Photos of Eric Hansen's rocket with new paint scheme, and
Ken Fowler's rocket.
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/F1Rocket@telus.net.04.12.2005/index.html
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade... |
Dear Listers,
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade Complete! |
Dear Listers,
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At 12:37 PM 4/16/2005 Saturday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This
>includes some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable
>processors - as well as a complete operating system upgrade from
>scratch. I hope to have both the old system and the new system running at
>the same time to minimize the actual impact of the upgrade.
>
>Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition, but
>a few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post show
>up on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then
>please just try posting it again.
>
>Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux
>7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great
>deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to
>the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems
>will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an
>absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during the
>cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them.
>
>I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List
>Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please refer
>to it as often as you like:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
>
>
>Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at
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>
>Best regards,
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Rebel's Bluff FlyIn |
THIRD ANNUAL REBEL'S BLUFF FLYIN Now
that Sun n Fun is over, it's time to fly to the Third Annual Rebel's Bluff FlyIn
for Rockets and RV's on May 7th, 2005. All types of aircraft are welcome,
as well as drive-in guests. Come about 10:00AM for an Ozarks Style Bar-B-Que
lunch with all the fixin's (catered by the First Baptist Ladies Group), and
have some great camaraderie. Rebel's Bluff (N37 06.1 W93 52.2) is located
two miles north of Mt Vernon Municipal Airport (2MO), and just west of Mt
Vernon, Missouri. It's about 150 miles SSE of Kansas City, and 140 east of Tulsa,
OK. The runway 14/32 is 2,200' of very smooth sod by 60' wide. Use 122.9
(Mt Vernon's) UNICOM frequency, and announce "landing at Rebel's Bluff." AV
Gas 100LL will be available for approximately $2.50/gallon. Rain date is May
14th if it is a complete wash out! RSVP would be greatly appreciated to your
host Les Featherston at _lwfeatherston(at)aol.com_
(mailto:lwfeatherston(at)aol.com) or 417-466-4663 home, or 417-425-3595 cell. Overnighters can stay at Super
8 for $53, or camping by the creek (with flush toilet) is available. Look
forward to seeing all of you again, LES
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Announcing The Third Annual Rebel's Bluff FlyIn |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
"RV-List Digest Server"
Subject: Announcing The Third Annual Rebel's Bluff FlyIn
"Flash"!
THIRD ANNUAL REBEL'S BLUFF FLYIN
Now that Sun n Fun is over, it's time to fly to the Third Annual
Rebel's Bluff FlyIn for Rocket's and Van's RV Aircraft on May 7th, 2005.
Come in about 10:00AM for an Ozarks Style Bar-B-Que lunch with all the
fixin's (catered by the First Baptist Ladies Group), and some great
comaradrie.
Rebel's Bluff (N37 06.1 W93 52.2) is located two miles north of Mt
Vernon Municipal Airport (2MO), and just west of Mt Vernon, Missouri.
About 150 miles SSE of Kansas City, MO, and 140 east of Tulsa, OK. The
runway 14/32 is 2,200' of very smooth sod by 60' wide. Use 122.9 (Mt
Vernon's) UNICOM frequency and announce "landing at Rebel's Bluff." AV
Gas 100LL will be available for approximately $2.50/gallon.
Rain date is May 14th if it is a complete washout. RSVP would be
greatly appreciated to your host Les Featherston at
lwfeatherston(at)aol.com or call 417-466-4663 at home, or 417-425-3595
cell. Overnighters can stay at the Super 8 for $53, or camping by the
creek (with flush toilet) is available. Looking forward to seeing all
of you again. Les
************************************************************************
************************************************************************
******
Les has a gorgeous Harmon. Pics on my pireps page if you're interested.
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Pilot%20reports.html
I plan to go to the flyin. I've been to Les's flyin previously and it
was very nice. If anyone wants more info and can't reach Les, feel free
to call me... 812-464-1839 M-F
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron C" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rebel's Bluff FlyIn |
Les-
I would like to come. I am planning abusiness trip to Minn. the friday
before in the Rocket- weather permitting of course.
Ron Carter
SLC, UT
HRII #149
N230RC
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----- Original Message -----
From: <Morocketman(at)aol.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Rebel's Bluff FlyIn
>
> THIRD ANNUAL REBEL'S BLUFF FLYIN Now
> that Sun n Fun is over, it's time to fly to the Third Annual Rebel's Bluff
FlyIn
> for Rockets and RV's on May 7th, 2005. All types of aircraft are
welcome,
> as well as drive-in guests. Come about 10:00AM for an Ozarks Style
Bar-B-Que
> lunch with all the fixin's (catered by the First Baptist Ladies Group),
and
> have some great camaraderie. Rebel's Bluff (N37 06.1 W93 52.2) is
located
> two miles north of Mt Vernon Municipal Airport (2MO), and just west of Mt
> Vernon, Missouri. It's about 150 miles SSE of Kansas City, and 140 east
of Tulsa,
> OK. The runway 14/32 is 2,200' of very smooth sod by 60' wide. Use
122.9
> (Mt Vernon's) UNICOM frequency, and announce "landing at Rebel's Bluff."
AV
> Gas 100LL will be available for approximately $2.50/gallon. Rain date is
May
> 14th if it is a complete wash out! RSVP would be greatly appreciated to
your
> host Les Featherston at _lwfeatherston(at)aol.com_
> (mailto:lwfeatherston(at)aol.com) or 417-466-4663 home, or 417-425-3595
cell. Overnighters can stay at Super
> 8 for $53, or camping by the creek (with flush toilet) is available.
Look
> forward to seeing all of you again, LES
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rebel's Bluff FlyIn |
Hi Ron, I heard it is going to rain in Minnesota that weekend, but not here.
Just kidding. I would welcome you to R.O.N. anytime. Just call, and park
in the hangar. We'll burn half a cow and have a good time. Soon, LES
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
SNIP People can say what they want
about how great an RV flies, that is until they experience a rocket.
Its not just about the horsepower. They fly as beautifully as they
look.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying 600+ hours F1 under const.
SNIP
Bob is right. Man, I LOVED my RV-4. It ruined me from ever being happy
in any production plane that I ever flew afterwards.
But what about the Rocket? Well, I still like to fly RVs, but given a
choice..... the Rocket wins.
Let me explain: Flying RVs is like spending the night with Jennifer
Aniston. Flying the Rocket is like spending the night with Jennifer
Aniston, Cindy Crawford, Sandra Bullock, and 12 Victoria's Secret
models... and they're fighting over who gets you next.
Vince
F-1H Rocket, N540VF
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
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| From: | "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7) |
ME THINKS HE COMPLAINS TOO LOUDLY.... 8*) KABONG (GBA & GWB)
Note: In My Not So Humble Opinion Gummibears skills in an airplane can not
be overstated. In a race car ?.?.? He'd just be another target....8*) Do
Not Archive
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: RV vs Rocket (IO540 in RV-7)
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo"
>
> First let me say, that I do have the slowest Rocket. I have flown
> side-by-side with a 180 HP CS RV-4 and I am faster, can climb better, have
> a
> lower fuel flow (maybe 0.1 GPH), etc. etc. It is not magic but I have
> more
> HP. :-)
I don't take my car to the race track and
> expect to compete with formula F-1 cars.
>
> Tom Gummo
> Apple Valley, CA
> Harmon Rocket-II
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| Subject: | fittings, hose barbs, adapters |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
http://www.fittingsandadapters.com/pipthreadhos.html found some of the
small hose barbs and other miscellaneous fittings and adapters that are
a nuisance to find locally.
Vince
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| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | BAKERSFIELD BUNCH FLY IN JUNE 3-4, 2005 |
HURRY ROOMS BOOKING FAST
BAKERSFIELD FLY IN HOTEL INFO
DISCOUNTED RATES
Best Western Inn
2620 Buck Owens Blvd
Bakersfield, CA 93308
661-327-9651
MUST MENTION
Harmon Rocket Group
Group Sales Discount
Extension : 421
Ask for Diane or Sales Dept
RATE: $69.00 per night
Friday June 3, 2005
Saturday June 4, 2005
Airport Shuttle by request
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | BAKERSFIELD BUNCH FLY IN JUNE 3-4, 2005 |
dberry(at)cjisdl.com
MORE ROOMS AVAILABLE AT ANOTHER HOTEL FOR THE FLY IN
Bakersfield Red Lion Hotel
2400 Camino Del Rio Ct.
Bakersfield, CA 93308
661-327-0681 Fax: 661-637-1822
MUST MENTION Harmon Rocket
GROUP CODE: ROCKET
RATE: $99.00 Per night
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wanted F1 Kit or Old Style Wings |
TOM-I HAVE A SET OF NEW RV-6 WINGS-4 PIECE,CENTER SECTIONS ARE 5FT LONG-BUILT
BY AN ENGINEER FROM LOCKHEED-FOUR TANKS-BOTTOM SKINS CLECO ON-$1000-TOM DO
NOT ARCHIVE
Tom Whelan
Whelan Farms Airport
President EAA Chapter 1097
wfact01(at)aol.com
249 Hard Hill Road North
PO Box 426
Bethlehem, CT 06751
Tel: 203-266-5300
Fax: 202-266-5140
EAA Technical/Flight Advisor
RV-8 540 LYC (40 PLUS HOURS)
S-51 Mustang Turbine (Under Construction)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Awesome Missouri flyin this weekend |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
"Flash"!
THIRD ANNUAL REBEL'S BLUFF FLYIN Now that Sun n Fun is over, it's time
to fly to the Third Annual Rebel's Bluff FlyIn for Rocket's and Van's RV
Aircraft on May 7th, 2005. Come in about 10:00AM for an Ozarks Style
Bar-B-Que lunch with all the fixin's (catered by the First Baptist
Ladies Group), and some great comaradrie.
Rebel's Bluff (N37 06.1 W93 52.2) is located two miles north of Mt
Vernon Municipal Airport (2MO), and just west of Mt Vernon, Missouri.
About 150 miles SSE of Kansas City, MO, and 140 east of Tulsa, OK. The
runway 14/32 is 2,200' of very smooth sod by 60' wide. Use 122.9 (Mt
Vernon's) UNICOM frequency and announce "landing at Rebel's Bluff." AV
Gas 100LL will be available for approximately $2.50/gallon.
Rain date is May 14th if it is a complete washout. RSVP would be greatly
appreciated to your host Les Featherston at lwfeatherston(at)aol.com or
call 417-466-4663 at home, or 417-425-3595 cell.
Overnighters can stay at the Super 8 for $53, or camping by the creek
(with flush toilet) is available. Looking forward to seeing all of you
again. Les
************************************************************************
Les has a gorgeous Harmon. Pics on my pireps page if you're interested.
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Pilot%20reports.html I
plan to go to the flyin. I've been to Les's flyin previously and it was
very nice. If anyone wants more info and can't reach Les, feel free to
call me... 812-464-1839 M-F Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Hartzell service and trip report (long) |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
> Guys,
>
> I just returned from Piqua, OH, home of Hartzell Propeller. It was a
> fabulous trip. No, I don't get anything to say this stuff.... to say
> that I was impressed would be a gross understatement.
>
> A little background first, I bought a new Hartzell two blade from Mark
> for my bird. Oddly, after 22 hours it developed a minor grease leak.
> Since it was still leaking 10 hours later, I thought I should check on
> it.
>
> I called Hartzell and they said "Bring it over and we'll fix it." No
> hassles, no grilling questions, no evading, no delays. They were very
> accommodating of my schedule even though I told them that it was not
> an emergency since I fly for fun and have no set schedule.
>
> I asked if we (John Crabtree went with me) could see the repair
> process since we were curious (clueless, really) about what is inside
> of one of these props. Not only did we get to see the overhaul
> facility, we got a tour of the manufacturing facility too. More about
> those later.
>
> I also wanted to get a dynamic balancing while I was there. WOW!
> Does that make a huge difference! I didn't think my vibration level
> was bad, but now it is very smooth. To say that I am pleased would
> also be a gross understatement. It's worth every penny of the
> approximately $180 cost.... chump change in aviation dollars. HIGHLY
> RECOMMENDED regardless of what you're swinging up front.
>
> John and I had arranged to arrive on Sunday morning. Even though
> those are not regular business hours, there were several people
> around. We were greeted like we were the most important people on
> earth, not like we were interrupting their weekend... which we were!
> After we put the planes in the Hartzell hangar, John and I hopped in
> the airport car and spent the rest of the day at the Wright-Patterson
> AF museum. WPAFM is a great museum. And it's free! Where else does
> the government give you anything worthwhile for FREE?
>
> The next morning we arrived back at the Hartzell hangar. My prop was
> already well along in the repair process so after checking on it, we
> hopped back into the company car and went to see one of the four
> Hartzell facilities in Piqua. We went to the facility that
> manufactures metal props. On the way to the facility, I got into the
> wrong lane, a turn lane. A Hartzell employee on her way to work
> spotted the airport car and knowing where we were supposed to be
> going, motioned for us to follow her. Now, that's customer service!
>
> We arrived at the metal prop production facility, a state of the art
> operation to say the least, and met John Popel, a tech rep. John gave
> us some safety glasses and off we went. We saw everything. It was
> amazing. It's simply beyond my ability to type it all. If you are
> impressed by industrial equipment and appreciate the art that goes
> into producing a product, this is a must-see facility. John Popel had
> an amazing grasp of the minutest details and you could tell he is the
> kind of guy who is excited to go to work every day. John said that
> cameras were allowed in almost all areas... and wouldn't you know it,
> I didn't bring one along!! DOH! John said that a facility tour can
> be arranged for small groups easily. This would make a stupendous EAA
> chapter event. I learned more about props in 2 hours than I have in
> the last 20 years.
>
> While at the production facility, we also got to talk to Les Doud, a
> propeller integration engineer. Les also was a wealth of useful
> information. John and I asked him 500 questions. I asked if Hartzell
> had a job opening for me. LOL.
>
> Les explained to us what to look for in a prop, what was good, and
> what was bad. We tried to get some info on what products were in the
> pipeline and told them that we wanted a 25# prop with better
> performance... and it needed to cost less than $1000... and last
> forever. Les and John had every reason to whack us on the head, but
> instead simply said that they were working on it. LOL! Seriously,
> after seeing the effort that they put into their prop design,
> production, and service I almost felt guilty for paying as little as I
> did for mine.
>
> Crabtree and I headed back to the airport to see how my grease leak
> repair was coming along. When we arrived my prop was being rolled out
> to the Rocket. We inquired what, if any, problems were found.
> Everything looked OK was the reply. Mark, the lead mechanic,
> explained that occasionally a grease zerk check ball will dribble a
> little bit, or some of the petroleum distillates will escape from the
> grease with weather changes, age, etc., or it might have simply had a
> bit of stray grease get past the O-ring. I was happy to hear that
> nothing was wrong. It's very comforting to have THE experts look over
> your installation and say "Looks fine."
>
> While Mark was putting the prop back on the Rocket, John and I took
> the full tour of the overhaul facility. Steve Reindel showed us
> around the overhaul shop, which was a miniaturized version of the
> factory, with many of the same capabilities. Steve explained that
> Hartzell had overhauled their overhaul procedures, so to speak, so
> that they could beat the overhaul business competition is all
> categories: price, quality, and turnaround time. Seeing as how they
> got my prop in and turned around in just a few hours... I believe him!
> Although my prop was covered under warranty, the price Steve said I
> would have paid otherwise was quite reasonable... on the order of a
> few hundred dollars for the entire inspection, repair, and
> reinstallation. Wow!
>
> In summary:
> 1) Hartzell service rocks! (No, they didn't pay, coerce, or bribe me
> to say it.)
> 2) My teeny-weeny problem was given more attention than Air Force One
> probably gets.
> 3) Hartzell gives a great tour. Unbelievably informative. Highly
> recommended.
> 4) The cost was minimal. In airplane dollars, it was chump change for
> the entire trip.
> 5) My prop was inspected and installed by experts.... Priceless.
>
> Other trivia:
> 6) Never put more than 6 pumps of grease (1 ounce) into your prop
> during service, usually at annual. Use the proper grease. Make sure
> you take the opposite zerk out so you don't push grease past the seal.
> I didn't do any of these things since I haven't had to service my prop
> yet, but it must be a common user error because we heard it mentioned
> several times.
> 7) We also got to go to the air force museum... too cool. If you've
> never been there... why the heck not?
>
If you feel compelled to reply to this long message.... please SNIP out
the excess!
> Vince Frazier
> 3965 Caborn Road
> Mount Vernon, IN 47620
> 812-464-1839 work
> 812-985-7309 home
> F-1H Rocket, N540VF
> http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/page1.html
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Rebel's Bluff FlyIn on Saturday |
Hey guys, the RSVP's are coming in at a huge rate. Looks like we will have
one of the largest collections of RV's/Rockets in the Midwest this Saturday,
May 7th. I am hoping for 50 RV's, and maybe 25 other interesting aircraft.
Rebel's Bluff Airstrip is located 2 miles NNE of Mt Vernon International
Airport, (2MO) Mt Vernon, MISSOURI. N37 06.1 and W 93 52.2. Come on by about
10:00AM and have a terrific Bar-B-Que lunch hosted by the Ladies of First
Baptist Church. Rebel's Bluff has 2,200' of very nice sod RW 14/32. Use 122.9
for UNICOM, and announce "Mt Vernon Traffic, NXXXX __ miles out, landing at
Rebel's Bluff". If you need to R.O.N. let me know, and accommodations can be
arranged. Camping by the creek is also available with forecast temperature
that night of 55F. You wouldn't have wanted to miss Woodstock if you had been
invited, so don't miss this gathering of the Van's RV's/Rockets. See ya, Les
Featherston 417-425-3595
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)AOL.COM |
Received an email from Florida. Anyone near him......
-Christina
Harmon Rocket LLC
Bakersfield, CA 93307
661-396-3570
_www.harmonrocket.com_ (http://www.harmonrocket.com)
Subj: Builders in Florida? Date: 5/11/2005 3:41:44 A.M. Pacific
Daylight Time From: _Michael.Ryan(at)jetblue.com_ (mailto:Michael.Ryan(at)jetblue.com)
To: _HarmonRocket(at)aol.com_ (mailto:HarmonRocket(at)aol.com) Sent from the
Internet _(Details)_ (aolmsg://0393d9d8/inethdr/2)
Hi Christina,
My plans, info pack, and hat arrived last week. Thank you. After reviewing
the plans (and coming up with many questions) I was wondering if anyone is
building a Harmon Rocket in the Florida area (preferably central Florida) that
you have contact information for? Seeing one under construction would help =E2=80=9C
bring the plans to life=E2=80=9D.
Thank you,
Mike Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Harmon Rockets |
Don Runaas; Cocoa Beach, FL. _derunaas(at)netzero.net_
(mailto:derunaas(at)netzero.net)
In a message dated 05/11/2005 9:22:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Hr2pilot(at)AOL.COM writes:
Hi Christina,
My plans, info pack, and hat arrived last week. Thank you. After reviewing
the plans (and coming up with many questions) I was wondering if anyone is
building a Harmon Rocket in the Florida area (preferably central Florida)
that
you have contact information for? Seeing one under construction would help
=E2=80=9C
bring the plans to life=E2=80=9D.
Thank you,
Mike Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Harmon Rockets |
There's a guy in my EAA chapter who has been working on an HR2 for a few years.
I'll see if I can dig his name up. Of coarse he's wecome to gawk at my project
but I'm building the evil step-child :)
Danny Melnik
F1 #25
Melbourne (FL) Rocket Factory
407-687-3126
-----Original Message-----
From: Hr2pilot(at)AOL.COM
Subject: Rocket-List: Harmon Rockets
Received an email from Florida. Anyone near him......
-Christina
Harmon Rocket LLC
Bakersfield, CA 93307
661-396-3570
_www.harmonrocket.com_ (http://www.harmonrocket.com)
Subj: Builders in Florida? Date: 5/11/2005 3:41:44 A.M. Pacific
Daylight Time From: _Michael.Ryan(at)jetblue.com_ (mailto:Michael.Ryan(at)jetblue.com)
To: _HarmonRocket(at)aol.com_ (mailto:HarmonRocket(at)aol.com) Sent from the
Internet _(Details)_ (aolmsg://0393d9d8/inethdr/2)
Hi Christina,
My plans, info pack, and hat arrived last week. Thank you. After reviewing
the plans (and coming up with many questions) I was wondering if anyone is
building a Harmon Rocket in the Florida area (preferably central Florida) that
you have contact information for? Seeing one under construction would help
=E2=80=9C
bring the plans to life=E2=80=9D.
Thank you,
Mike Ryan
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Les Featherston's fly-in |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
I posted a few pics of Les Featherston's fly-in.
http://www.usi.edu/science/chemistry/vfrazier/Pilot%20reports.html
Vince
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Harmon Rockets |
Hey John, How many HR IIs flying now and how many kits sold? And Mark, ditto
for FIs? My "Big Orange" is the best thing that ever happened to me. Gave up
Viagara, Cealis and all that. Don't need it! Rocket fuel is still a buck a
gallon {Mogas} or better cheaper than lolead. Lil Ole 235HP+ is trouble free after
6 years. HR69GT in Indy DON'T ARCHIVE
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Harmon Rockets |
There have been 105 HR II's flown with 214 kits sold.
John
________________________________________________________________________________
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Mlfred(at)aol.com
In a message dated 5/15/2005 2:00:17 AM Central Daylight Time,
rocket-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
Hey John, How many HR IIs flying now and how many kits sold? And Mark, ditto
for FIs? My "Big Orange" is the best thing that ever happened to me. Gave up
Viagara, Cealis and all that. Don't need it! Rocket fuel is still a buck a
gallon {Mogas} or better cheaper than lolead. Lil Ole 235HP+ is trouble free
after
6 years. HR69GT in Indy DON'T ARCHIVE
Hey Cheif:
42 flying, and 153 sold.
Great to hear yours is still going!
Cheers
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Noisy Airplanes and Altitude |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "JOHN STARN"
I can see where a SAILplane sitting in the middle of the runway with no way
to taxi could be considered a RPITA . Only recall one time where the Boy
Scouts were giving rides at APV. They would land, change passengers, "taxi"
back up the runway (lots of extra hands) re-hook & takeoff again. Most of
the traffic was using Rwy 18. They were using Rwy 26. Net effect was to
close that runway (26) for up to 20 minutes per flight and 18 for 3 to 5min.
(Middle of 26 is right at the end of 18) The only "real" problem was that
they would turn right off of rwy 26 and go toward an active Acro box.
Turning left would have put them climbing parallel to departing & flyby 18
traffic. We were having an airfair that day BUT the AirBoss was able to keep
everything flowing.
I can see that at an airport with a single runway, SAILplanes with a very
slow approach speed, not able to taxi clear and getting ready for the next
tow could cause problem with power pilots. Finally able to get good radio
communications going with the Scouts. KABONG Do Not Archive 8*)
We share a hanger with a motoglider XImango I think ???
The AirBoss ?? Gummibear, of course.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob 1" <rv3a.1(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Noisy Airplanes and Altitude
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Bob 1"
>
> If airplanes were as quiet
> as sailboats, there would be far fewer airport closures around the
> world.
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> As an owner of a noiseless SAILplane, Utopia remains elusive. For
> instance..... the majority of power pilots at our local airport cared
> little
> about sharing the airport with us. Hostility ranged from mild to wild.
> Were
> were treated, generally, as a royal PITA. Eventually, our sailplane club
> left for, literally, a greener pasture.
>
> Bob - RV3 and HP-14 driver
>
> Do not archive
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Lee Armstrong <kevin(at)bondedcomponents.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Ross Anderson - Rocket Crash |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Lee Armstrong
Hi Guys,
Sorry if i'm going over old ground here, but i've been through the
archives and while this was reported here 07/07/04, with a couple of
messages, nobody really added any more details.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/07/07/state1324EDT0059.DTL
Does anyone know what caused it ???
The reason i'm asking is my Farther just got given a (oldish) UK mag
with an article in it on Ross's rocket which had an amendment that said
he had just recently crashed and they were printing it in his memory by
request of the family.
Needless to say, it would be interesting if anyone had any more details ?
Thanks,
Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Ross Anderson - Rocket Crash |
| From: | "Swaney, Mark CAPT NAVAIRWARCENWPNDIV Bldg 36, Rm 2305" <mark.swaney(at)navy.mil> |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Swaney, Mark CAPT NAVAIRWARCENWPNDIV Bldg
36, Rm 2305"
This is the only thing I've seen:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=LAX04LA253&rpt=p
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lee Armstrong
Subject: Rocket-List: Ross Anderson - Rocket Crash
--> Rocket-List message posted by: Lee Armstrong
Hi Guys,
Sorry if i'm going over old ground here, but i've been through the
archives and while this was reported here 07/07/04, with a couple of
messages, nobody really added any more details.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/07/07/state1324EDT0059.DTL
Does anyone know what caused it ???
The reason i'm asking is my Farther just got given a (oldish) UK mag
with an article in it on Ross's rocket which had an amendment that said
he had just recently crashed and they were printing it in his memory by
request of the family.
Needless to say, it would be interesting if anyone had any more details ?
Thanks,
Lee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)amtelecom.net> |
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Martin"
I have a set of brand new F1 Team Rocket wings for sale, complete with all
hardware and glass parts. These are a quick build wing. If you are building
a rocket, these will give you a great head start on the most difficult part
of the project. They can be used with John Harmon's fuselage parts or a
quick build F1 fuselage can be ordered to match the wings. Contact me at
519-631-1369 or email farilea(at)amtelecom.net Tom Martin
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors |
Anyone on the Rocket list have a comment for Gary Casey?
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Subj: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors Date: 05/24/2005 10:27:10 AM
Pacific Daylight Time From: _glcasey(at)adelphia.net_
(mailto:glcasey(at)adelphia.net) Reply-to: _engines-list(at)matronics.com_
(mailto:engines-list(at)matronics.com) To: _engines-list(at)matronics.com_ (mailto:engines-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent from the Internet _(Details)_ (aolmsg://03ad00f0/inethdr/2)
--> Engines-List message posted by: "Gary Casey"
I'm curious if anyone has any experience with these prop governors. I've
got one installed on my IO-540, but haven't yet run it. It has the
advantage of being a few pounds lighter than the standard one and is 2
inches shorter, improving my inlet ducting a lot.
Gary Casey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ron Carter" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors |
I think this is the unit Mark Frederick sells. I have one it works as
expected.
I have about 250 hours on the unit.
Ron Carter
N230RC
----- Original Message -----
From: <LesDrag(at)aol.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors
>
> Anyone on the Rocket list have a comment for Gary Casey?
>
> Regards,
> Jim Ayers
>
> Subj: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors Date: 05/24/2005 10:27:10
AM
> Pacific Daylight Time From: _glcasey(at)adelphia.net_
> (mailto:glcasey(at)adelphia.net) Reply-to: _engines-list(at)matronics.com_
> (mailto:engines-list(at)matronics.com) To: _engines-list(at)matronics.com_
(mailto:engines-list(at)matronics.com)
> Sent from the Internet _(Details)_ (aolmsg://03ad00f0/inethdr/2)
>
>
> --> Engines-List message posted by: "Gary Casey"
>
> I'm curious if anyone has any experience with these prop governors. I've
> got one installed on my IO-540, but haven't yet run it. It has the
> advantage of being a few pounds lighter than the standard one and is 2
> inches shorter, improving my inlet ducting a lot.
>
> Gary Casey
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net> |
| Subject: | Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors |
I have one and it works perfectly from day one.
Greg Nelson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
LesDrag(at)aol.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors
Anyone on the Rocket list have a comment for Gary Casey?
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Subj: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors Date: 05/24/2005 10:27:10 AM
Pacific Daylight Time From: _glcasey(at)adelphia.net_
(mailto:glcasey(at)adelphia.net) Reply-to: _engines-list(at)matronics.com_
(mailto:engines-list(at)matronics.com) To: _engines-list(at)matronics.com_
(mailto:engines-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent from the Internet _(Details)_ (aolmsg://03ad00f0/inethdr/2)
--> Engines-List message posted by: "Gary Casey"
I'm curious if anyone has any experience with these prop governors. I've
got one installed on my IO-540, but haven't yet run it. It has the
advantage of being a few pounds lighter than the standard one and is 2
inches shorter, improving my inlet ducting a lot.
Gary Casey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "blairclan" <blairclan(at)bigpond.com> |
Gents,
I've recently fitted by gear fairings (was amazed how much difference
they made to speed and looks!) and I'm finalizing the aircrafts trim.
I have found at slower speeds with any sort of power I need a squeeze of
right rudder and at high speed/cruise I need a squeeze of left - makes
sense to me. So I've fitted (with tape at this stage) a Vans style
"wedge" that suits cruise speed...works OK.
The problem is the ailerons. It flys wings level with the ailerons
centered but to achieve that I need to apply some right stick force.
I tried squeezing the trailing edge - didn't seem to help much.
I really didn't want to put a tab on it. Any tricks and what's the
gouge on the type of tab to use??
Cheers
Tony Blair
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From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors
I have one and it works perfectly from day one.
Greg Nelson
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Subject: Rocket-List: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors
Anyone on the Rocket list have a comment for Gary Casey?
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Jim Ayers
Subj: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors Date: 05/24/2005 10:27:10
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "Gary Casey"
I'm curious if anyone has any experience with these prop governors.
I've
got one installed on my IO-540, but haven't yet run it. It has the
advantage of being a few pounds lighter than the standard one and is 2
inches shorter, improving my inlet ducting a lot.
Gary Casey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "blairclan" <blairclan(at)bigpond.com> |
Further to my last post...
I read someone squeezed the aileron on the heavy wing - I'm sure the
book says to squeeze the light wing, did I f... this up?
(I would have sworn the roll was worse after I squeezed it!)
Tony
-----Original Message-----
From: blairclan [mailto:blairclan(at)bigpond.com]
Subject: Trim Tabs
Gents,
I've recently fitted by gear fairings (was amazed how much difference
they made to speed and looks!) and I'm finalizing the aircrafts trim.
I have found at slower speeds with any sort of power I need a squeeze of
right rudder and at high speed/cruise I need a squeeze of left - makes
sense to me. So I've fitted (with tape at this stage) a Vans style
"wedge" that suits cruise speed...works OK.
The problem is the ailerons. It flys wings level with the ailerons
centered but to achieve that I need to apply some right stick force.
I tried squeezing the trailing edge - didn't seem to help much.
I really didn't want to put a tab on it. Any tricks and what's the
gouge on the type of tab to use??
Cheers
Tony Blair
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1. 01:37 PM - Re: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors
(u2nelson)
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From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors
I have one and it works perfectly from day one.
Greg Nelson
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Subject: Rocket-List: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors
Anyone on the Rocket list have a comment for Gary Casey?
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Subj: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors Date: 05/24/2005 10:27:10
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Pacific Daylight Time From: _glcasey(at)adelphia.net_
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--> Engines-List message posted by: "Gary Casey"
I'm curious if anyone has any experience with these prop governors.
I've
got one installed on my IO-540, but haven't yet run it. It has the
advantage of being a few pounds lighter than the standard one and is 2
inches shorter, improving my inlet ducting a lot.
Gary Casey
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | H PAINE <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Trim Tabs |
At 02:37 AM 5/26/05, you wrote:
>Tony :
Its the light aileron you squeeze!
Take a piece of wood put it perpendicular on the trailing edge then Gently
tap wood with hammer on heavy wing aileron and it should take out what you
squeezed.
Been there done that
Harry Paine
266HP
PS ailerons are VERY sensitive if they get hanger or airshow people rash on
trailing edge that will affect WILL affect trim
>you @#$%
& up
>Further to my last post...
>
>I read someone squeezed the aileron on the heavy wing - I'm sure the
>book says to squeeze the light wing, did I f... this up?
>(I would have sworn the roll was worse after I squeezed it!)
>
>Tony
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blairclan [mailto:blairclan(at)bigpond.com]
>To: 'rocket-list(at)matronics.com'; owner-f1builders(at)lists.cc.utexas.edu
>Subject: Trim Tabs
>
>Gents,
>
>I've recently fitted by gear fairings (was amazed how much difference
>they made to speed and looks!) and I'm finalizing the aircrafts trim.
>
>
>I have found at slower speeds with any sort of power I need a squeeze of
>right rudder and at high speed/cruise I need a squeeze of left - makes
>sense to me. So I've fitted (with tape at this stage) a Vans style
>"wedge" that suits cruise speed...works OK.
>
>
>The problem is the ailerons. It flys wings level with the ailerons
>centered but to achieve that I need to apply some right stick force.
>I tried squeezing the trailing edge - didn't seem to help much.
>I really didn't want to put a tab on it. Any tricks and what's the
>gouge on the type of tab to use??
>
>Cheers
>Tony Blair
>
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> 1. 01:37 PM - Re: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors
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>
>From: "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net>
>Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors
>
>
>I have one and it works perfectly from day one.
>
>Greg Nelson
>
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>[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>LesDrag(at)aol.com
>Subject: Rocket-List: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors
>
>
>Anyone on the Rocket list have a comment for Gary Casey?
>
>Regards,
>Jim Ayers
>
>Subj: Engines-List: Jihostroj prop governors Date: 05/24/2005 10:27:10
>AM
>Pacific Daylight Time From: _glcasey(at)adelphia.net_
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>--> Engines-List message posted by: "Gary Casey"
>
>I'm curious if anyone has any experience with these prop governors.
>I've
>got one installed on my IO-540, but haven't yet run it. It has the
>advantage of being a few pounds lighter than the standard one and is 2
>inches shorter, improving my inlet ducting a lot.
>
>Gary Casey
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Trim Tabs |
I remember "light wing thinner".
I used a caliper to measure the trailing edge thickness at 1 foot intervals
on the aileron trailing edge. By making the trailing edge the same thickness
on both sides, it corrected my heavy wing.
Measure twice, squeeze once? :-)
Regards,
Jim Ayers
In a message dated 05/26/2005 2:38:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
blairclan(at)bigpond.com writes:
--> Rocket-List message posted by: "blairclan"
Further to my last post...
I read someone squeezed the aileron on the heavy wing - I'm sure the
book says to squeeze the light wing, did I f... this up?
(I would have sworn the roll was worse after I squeezed it!)
Tony
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "blairclan" <blairclan(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Canopy lifting/flexing |
G'day,
(For what it's worth, the aileron squeezing is working - just needed to
do more!)
I have some concern over my canopy lifting at higher speeds.
I was wondering if it is normal. I've put extra rivets in the hinge
front and rear and actually put an extra latch on the left side about
1.5 foot from the front.
But... I can see the frame on the left side being lifted (about 4 or 5
mm at the worst spot which is towards the front. It also lifts at the
rear but not as much.
The canopy is latched, so the entire frame must be flexing.
I've got about 1000 hours in our Air Forces CT4 trainers. Above 160 kts
their canopy lifts up so much I could stick my finger out! (they have a
warning in the flight manual to not yaw the aircraft above 160 kts)
However, I'm still concerned. Any comments, suggestions or similar
experiences??
Thanks
Tony Blair
Australia
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| From: | "Ron Carter" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Canopy lifting/flexing |
Yes my canopy does the same thing. Colda air blows down the IP and freezes
your fingers in te winter. But with 500 hours on the plane no problems as
far a s failure or wear in this area.
Ron Carter
HR2 #149
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From: "blairclan" <blairclan(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Canopy lifting/flexing
>
> G'day,
>
> (For what it's worth, the aileron squeezing is working - just needed to
> do more!)
>
> I have some concern over my canopy lifting at higher speeds.
> I was wondering if it is normal. I've put extra rivets in the hinge
> front and rear and actually put an extra latch on the left side about
> 1.5 foot from the front.
>
> But... I can see the frame on the left side being lifted (about 4 or 5
> mm at the worst spot which is towards the front. It also lifts at the
> rear but not as much.
>
> The canopy is latched, so the entire frame must be flexing.
>
> I've got about 1000 hours in our Air Forces CT4 trainers. Above 160 kts
> their canopy lifts up so much I could stick my finger out! (they have a
> warning in the flight manual to not yaw the aircraft above 160 kts)
>
> However, I'm still concerned. Any comments, suggestions or similar
> experiences??
>
> Thanks
> Tony Blair
> Australia
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Martin" <fairlea(at)amtelecom.net> |
For all you flying F1s and rockets I am hosting a flyin at my farm June
25th. This will be an all day affair as I have a band booked for the
evening, BBQ pig, kegs of beer etc etc for supper and hamburgers for lunch.
For anyone driving in the dinner is will be pot luck, pilots just bring your
planes!
We live one nautical mile north of the St.Thomas airport, CYQS, my strip is
2000 feet with good approaches. If you need rooms let me know but it is
also acceptable to camp on the farm.
Customs into and out of Canada is no big deal, it just takes a bit
of forward planning. You do not need any special licencses or permits but
you do need a Mode C transponder to cross the border. A passport is good
but any valid picture ID will work, at least it still does at this time.
It has been a couple of years since I did one of these things and it
should be fun.
Tom Martin
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| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
2005 Reno Air Races September 11-18 2005
HOTEL INFO - Circus Circus
Special Discount Group Rates 866-447-7728
Must Call before August 12, 2005
Mention Harmon Rocket Group
to get room discounts special rate
$39 Sun - Wed - $59 Thurs - $109 Fri- Sat
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| From: | "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV10-List: Tubing Bender And Flare Tools |
The "normal/standard" flare of a plumbing tool is 45 degrees. AN fittings
are "aviation/racing" flare and are 37 degrees. They are NOT
interchangeable. Have never seen a 37 degree flaring tool or fittings at
Lowes, Home Deport, Ace, etc. I was only a plumbing/air conditioning
contractor for 25 years & have not been in every hardware store in the
country. HOWEVER if the flaring tool does not specifically state it's
aviation, AN, 37 degree it probably is not. Also have not seen 37 degree
"cheapo" flaring tools. Lots of low costs 45 degree units. In this case
"Ya'll get what you pay for". Remember when you bend tubing you harden it.
The outside of the bend will create a "hard" spot. Since most tubing is
shipped in a coil, plan ahead and do not straighten out tubing before
bending. We have & used tubing benders but most of the tubing on N561FS was
bent bare handed by me, hey with 25+ years experience ya do get pretty good
with your hands. This is another place where you DO NOT assemble
fittings/tubing under any stress. Bend it to perfectly fit. KABONG 8*)
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Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tubing Bender And Flare Tools
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Randy DeBauw"
>
> Check the flare. I think it will be the wrong deg. Flare. I can't
> remember the flare deg but 1 is 37 deg and one is 45 deg and they are
> not interchangeable. For instance I have a flare tool for automotive
> flares for brake lines and it will not work for aviation. Randy
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| From: | Tony <afmeroth(at)yahoo.com> |
Anyone building an RV or rocket in the cheyenne area ?
I would love to come check one out up close, I can
also be bribed to offer free labor and parts runs.
-Tony 307-631-9097
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| From: | "Brian Dal Porto" <bdalporto(at)sbcglobal.net> |
"Ed Owens" , "Joe Norris" ,
"Leslie Kochie" , ,
"Harold Gallagher" , ,
"Patricia Buck" ,
"Duane Allen"
| Subject: | Fw: Hangar One Meetings |
MessageFYI
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From: GaryAir
Subject: FW: Hangar One Meetings
FYI.
Trish
***************************************************
Trish Guerrieri
CEO, GaryAir
Flight Instruction, Air Taxi and Aviation Techology
P.O. Box 116
Moffett Field, CA 94035
(408)729-IFLY(4359)
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From: Carl Honaker [mailto:Carl.Honaker(at)rda.sccgov.org]
Subject: Hangar One Meetings
Friends, Shipmates and Fellow Moffetteers,
As promised here is an update on the continuing saga of Hangar One and how we need
to make our voices heard so that the hangar may be saved. Thanks to all who
have shown their support and attended the last Restoration Advisory Board (RAB)
meeting at Mountain View City Hall...your presence truly made a difference!
We've also heard that there have been some interesting "out of the box" ideas
on how the Navy's goal of environmental cleanup can be accomplished without
tearing down the hangar. Lets hope one of these solutions is the answer.
Based on the information we received at the last RAB meeting, its evident that
the Navy is not willing to exclude the "demolition" option from its list of possible
mitigations. Although they label it as a worst case and highest cost alternative,
they don't want to take any options off the table at this time. That
still makes me nervous especially when you look at their very agressive timeline
to find a solution.
So lets continue to keep the pressure on by attending the public meetings and writing
to our elected officials. I'm still working on a 'boiler plate' letter
that you can use or modify as you see fit to send to your City/County/State and
Federal politicians and officials. I'll send it separately in another email.
A good source of info on what's happening at Moffett Field is a great website/blog operated by Steve Williams at: http://www.nuqu.org where you can find links to Hangar 1 and other Moffett/NASA current events.
Future Meetings....
There are three upcoming meetings that are significant for Hangar One:
One is a Hangar One Stakeholder Meeting that is apparently for a select group of
NASA invitees (guess I'm included as I was invited). That meeting is set for
this Wednesday evening from 4-6 p.m. at the NASA Ames Conference Center (former
Officers Club) at Moffett Field. I definitely plan to be there.
The next public meeting regarding the Navy's environmental plans for the hangar
is an Open House at the former Chief's Club/Space Camp building just outside
the gate on Monday June 13th. Here is a copy of the flyer that went out toward
the end of April to those on their mailing list.
Date /Time: Monday, June 13, 2005, 5 to 8 p.m.
Location: Former NAS Moffett Field
Building 943
Mountain View, CA
Come learn about the environmental activities taking place at Hangar 1,
located at
the former Naval Air Station Moffett Field, and take the opportunity to
provide your
input to the Navy as they examine several options for addressing cleanup
there.
The Navy will study these options in an Engineering Evaluation/Cost Analysis
(EEICA), and the open house will present information about the EEICA, its
purpose
and content.
Discuss the issues directly with representatives from the Navy, NASA and
regulatory
agencies at various stations throughout the room. We recommend following
the
sequence below
STATION OVERVIEW
STATION NO. 1 WELCOME - Sign in, pick up informational materials and
sign
up on the project mailing list.
STATION NO. 2 ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS - Get an overview of the
environmental restoration process at Hangar 1, as well
as the
process for evaluating feasible and cost-effective alternatives
for
proposed removal actions.
STATION NO. 3 REGULATORS - Meet the regulators and learn about their
agencies' involvement in the environmental restoration
program
at Hangar 1.
STATION NO. 4 HANGAR I - Learn about Hangar I, its background and
history.
STATION NO. 5 REMOVAL ACTION - Learn about alternatives that will be
considered to address environmental issues at Hangar 1.
STATION NO. 6 COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT - Learn about more ways to
get involved in the Navy's environmental program; fill
out a
comment form to provide input on proposed alternatives
for
Hangar 1.
THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING!
And the next RAB meeting is set for Thursday July 14th from 7-9 p.m. at Mountain
View City Hall. In addition to the other environmental topics at Moffett Field,
Hangar One should still be a big part of the meeting's discussions.
Thanks and hope to see you there!
Carl
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| From: | pfsiegel <psiegel(at)fuse.net> |
It sure is fun to see the Rockets, EZs, Glasair IIs etc. going around
the pylons at the Reno Air Races.
With all the new composite racers coming on line, we might not see the
"conventional" sport planes much longer.
Is there any chnace a Fixed Gear category would be added to the Sport
Class at Reno?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Static System Connections] |
The ports look like the ones we installed. The thing I question is the 5
tee's and the 5 bolt/nut combo's. It looks like the tee has a tab or "ear"
that I would assume is for mounting. This is better than what we used to
attach to the ribs. The 90 degree elbows was the one thing I liked about our
methods and the kit has them. If I had to do again (and I will) I'd buy the
kit. I'm going to save your post and add it to the RV lists. KABONG
Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry" <LarryRosen(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Connections]
> I was sorting through my RV emails and I re-read this on. I am about to
> order a static port system. I am considering the system from safe air
> here <http://www.safeair1.com/index.htm>. They are similar to the ACS
> ports, they are threaded for a hard elbow. I can purchase the two ports
> for $23.95 or an entire kit including fitting and tubing for $79.95. Any
> opinion on these ports. Also, the kit will make things simpler, do you
> think there is value in it?
>
> Larry Rosen
> Emp almost complet
> Waiting on QB wings.
> Long & detailed on an old subject. Worth the read if your working on the
> static system.
> We used the ACS part# 15160 static port (page# 337) and Nylo-seal
> fittings ACS part# 269-N 04X02 male elbow (page 110) and the 264-N 04
> union tee for the totally enclosed part of the static system on HRII
> N561FS. These ports have a raised center that fits thru a 1/4" hole in the
> side. It sticks thru far enough to still be raised off the surface after
> painting. Why did we spend the extra $38.00 bucks for these parts ?.
> First, the machined port looks like a machined part rather than the
> head of a "pop" rivet.
> Second, (and the most important) was it allows the use of the 90 degree
> elbow fitting that's takes ALL the stress off the port (pop
> rivet end) and the required bend in the tubing. We could have used
> the "regular" hose & tube fitting (page 111) but since we only open this
> area for annual "conditional inspections" we felt better about
> the mechanical joint/ no stress connections.
> Third, the tubing is not stretched over a barb which can cause the tube
> to split at some later date.
> Fourth, we were building Rocket and wanted it to look like a Rocket.
> Did we use "pop" rivets on the Rocket ?. Of course BUT not where
> is shows. 8*)
> If you have read any of my other posts you know that I believe in KISS
> (Keep It Simple Stupid) method BUT in my not so humble opinion, the use of
> the above fittings both here & in the rest of the Rocket make service
> and/or replacement Simple only because you can easily take the system
> apart and then put it back together. I wouldn't do that with the barb ends
> IF you can get them apart in the first place.
> This is only my opinion. Your circumstances/mileage may vary. No
> offence Jerry, we used lots of your suggestions while building N561FS. You
> taught this Old Dog some new tricks.
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| From: | "blairclan" <blairclan(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Turbulence speed? |
I've got about 50 hours on my rocket - it's fantastic!
I have been slowing to 160 kias unless it's smooth. That has me slowing
down more often than I'd like.
(I recall that was recommended by someone on the list a while
back...some concern over fuse flexing etc)
What's everyone else doing?
(I've also scrubbed out my first set of tires - looks like I'll have to
shim the axles!)
Cheers
Tony Blair
Australia
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | elevator belcrank |
I recently read a comment about modifying the elevator belcrank in order to reduce
the load on the stick to match that of the ailerons. In seven years of building
this Rocket, I have not heard of this mod.
Can anyone enlighten me on this subject?
Thanks,
Jim Stone
90% or so
HRII
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| From: | "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net> |
sorry for the late reply, you should be able to see plenty of Rockets this
year, as we are going to have 3 classes, Gold, Silver amd Bronze.
See ya at the races
Greg Nelson
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of pfsiegel
Subject: Rocket-List: Reno
It sure is fun to see the Rockets, EZs, Glasair IIs etc. going around
the pylons at the Reno Air Races.
With all the new composite racers coming on line, we might not see the
"conventional" sport planes much longer.
Is there any chnace a Fixed Gear category would be added to the Sport
Class at Reno?
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| From: | Kevin Morisette <morisette(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: F1 Quickbuild |
Hi everyone, I've just signed up on this list. I'm researching more
information on the F1 quickbuild kits. Are the std/evo quickbuild
kits comparable to Van's quickbuild difficulty? Would the new style
wing (evo) be the way to go?
Sorry if these are basic questions...
Kevin
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| From: | Tony <afmeroth(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: F1 Quickbuild |
Here is a website of a guy building an EVO quickbuild,
he has alot of good info/pics. Hope it helps.
http://www.docthrock.com/
--- Kevin Morisette wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone, I've just signed up on this list. I'm
> researching more
> information on the F1 quickbuild kits. Are the
> std/evo quickbuild
> kits comparable to Van's quickbuild difficulty?
> Would the new style
> wing (evo) be the way to go?
>
> Sorry if these are basic questions...
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Bob J <rocketbob(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: elevator belcrank |
On 6/14/05, Jim Stone wrote:
>
> I recently read a comment about modifying the elevator belcrank in order to reduce
the load on the stick to match that of the ailerons. In seven years of
building this Rocket, I have not heard of this mod.
> Can anyone enlighten me on this subject?
> Thanks,
> Jim Stone
> 90% or so
> HRII
Sure. A friend of mine and I came up with this mod for his flying F1.
Make a new elevator bellcrank 1" shorter above the pivot to increase
leverage, and increase stick travel. Because the stick weldments,
bellcranks, etc. are a series of levers, you are in effect trading for
less stick pressure at the expense of more stick travel. Works great.
Makes the elevators feel more harmonious with the ailerons, and at
the same time making the elevators less pitch sensitive to small stick
movements.
Regards,
Bob Japundza
RV-6 flying, F1 under const.
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| From: | Richard Riley <richard(at)riley.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Humor? You make the call. :-) |
At 06:32 PM 6/15/05, you wrote:
>
>So in the middle of a criminal trial, the transcript will show that juror
>#4, has the last name of a Marx brother, built and flies a Harmon Rocket,
>was called "GummiBear", and flew in the Gulf War.
But then, Gummo's name was Milton. And people who saw him perform, said HE
was the funniest of the brothers.
I hope you get a trial that's not too bad. A few years ago my wife was on
a double murder - 15 year old beat a 14 and 13 year old to death on a
school playground in the middle of the night. Gave her nightmares for years.
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| Subject: | Re: Humor? You make the call. :-) |
Gummi-
Why are you worried about Jury Duty ?? It appears to be a "no brainer" for
people from California.
BC %-)
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| From: | "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Humor? You make the call. :-) |
Yes, BUT I don't want to be painted with that same brush. :-)
GummiBear
----- Original Message -----
From: <UFOBUCK(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Humor? You make the call. :-)
>
> Gummi-
>
> Why are you worried about Jury Duty ?? It appears to be a "no brainer"
> for
> people from California.
>
> BC %-)
>
>
>
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| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Humor? You make the call. |
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In a message dated 6/17/2005 2:58:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rocket-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
> With so many illegal aliens here in California, (they can't serve on jury
duty, but they take up space and time, don't get me started) I get a jury
summons at least once a year. If I get selected, I am normally excused by
the defense lawyer for one reason or the other. However yesterday, no such
luck.
Gummi,
I have jury duty selection date on the 29th in Tampa. I'll try some of your
techniques. I usually just say, "Bring the guilty SOB in!"
Stan Sutterfield
www.rv-8a.net
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Envelope-to: andrew(at)nzactive.com
| From: | <Speedy11(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Humor? You make the call. |
"IMB Recipient 1"
In a message dated 6/17/2005 2:58:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rocket-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
> With so many illegal aliens here in California, (they can't serve on jury
duty, but they take up space and time, don't get me started) I get a jury
summons at least once a year. If I get selected, I am normally excused by
the defense lawyer for one reason or the other. However yesterday, no such
luck.
Gummi,
I have jury duty selection date on the 29th in Tampa. I'll try some of your
techniques. I usually just say, "Bring the guilty SOB in!"
Stan Sutterfield
www.rv-8a.net
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| From: | "Bill and Janet Asbell" <cottonwood(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Humor? You make the call. |
How about this it always works fer me---"-Let`s have a fair trial and hang
the guilty SOB !!!"
Lizard
----- Original Message -----
From: <Speedy11(at)aol.com>
1"
Subject: Rocket-List: Re: Humor? You make the call.
>
>
> In a message dated 6/17/2005 2:58:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> rocket-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
> > With so many illegal aliens here in California, (they can't serve on
jury
> duty, but they take up space and time, don't get me started) I get a jury
> summons at least once a year. If I get selected, I am normally excused
by
> the defense lawyer for one reason or the other. However yesterday, no
such
> luck.
> Gummi,
> I have jury duty selection date on the 29th in Tampa. I'll try some of
your
> techniques. I usually just say, "Bring the guilty SOB in!"
> Stan Sutterfield
> www.rv-8a.net
>
>
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| From: | "John Furey" <john(at)fureychrysler.com> |
| Subject: | In Flight Weather |
For any of you thinking of buying a weather system for your plane I highly
recommend the AWWX package by Control Vision. There are several providers
out there and they all may be great but I have never seen a company work so
hard to satisfy their customers as Control Vision did for me. I won't waste
your time with the details but Tom Reed (VP of Operations) went so far as to
give me his personal phone number and had me call him at home and on
vacation, enough said. There are several display options with any of the
providers, PDA, Tablet, etc. Although some say they need the bigger screen I
found the PDA to be just fine. This is one of those products that once you
use it you will never want to be without it. This post is not meant to put
down any other providers, it is just to highlight a company that really made
customer satisfaction a priority.
John Furey
2nd RV6A, F1 Rocket "in the oven"
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| From: | "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | IO540 mounting ears |
Any rocketeers have a 540 with the small ears and need the big ears to mount
that puppy on your rocket-in-progress? If so, I have a friend building an
RV10 looking for the small ears and he has the big ones to trade!
Contact him at:
Mike Kraus mike(at)wolflakeairport.net
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| From: | "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Tom Martin Fly-in |
Rocketeers,
Once again Tom Martin had a group of Rocket and RV flyers up to his place in
Ontario to fly, chat, drink and party. What a great display of Canadian
hospitality! Tom's strip is the birthplace of a bundle of fine flying
machines and also an RV or two! His latest project is well underway and I'm
sure will top his previous efforts.
Hopefully he'll don this again someday. If so, don't miss it!
As an aside, landing is fun when challenged to keep it inside the fences
2000 feet away! I spent some time working my on getting my approach speeds
in order and was rewarded with not wrecking my plane at Tom's! I had spent
a couple of days at a friends airpark strip in the days prior so I had 2200
to train on! What a difference getting the approach speeds down will make.
Don't forget that your elevators work much better at slow speed with a bit
of power on in the flare. Just don't keep it on. My new approach speed (on
MY airspeed indicator) is now 68-70 mph. Manage the sink rate with power
application.
Russ Werner
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| From: | H PAINE <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com> |
| Subject: | Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh |
South West Rocketmen:
If you are planning on going to OSHKOSH this year. Make email post when
leaving & from where and Lets make a rendezvous somewhere along the way and
hook up maybe in small groups??
Harry Paine 266HP
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| From: | "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh |
I'll be there Thursday thru Sunday. Probably stopping in MSP for a couple
of days on the way and flying on to Prince Edward Island after the show.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "H PAINE" <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
>
> South West Rocketmen:
>
> If you are planning on going to OSHKOSH this year. Make email post when
> leaving & from where and Lets make a rendezvous somewhere along the way
> and
> hook up maybe in small groups??
>
> Harry Paine 266HP
>
>
>
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| From: | Morocketman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rocketmen Flying to Oshkosh! |
Hey folks, Rebel's Bluff Airstrip will be open for overnighter's on the way
to or from OSH. My plans are such that I cannot leave for the "big one"
until about Thursday or Friday. I would welcome anyone, Rocket's or otherwise,
to stop by for AvGas ($2.75) or MoGas and accomodations. I can hangar the
first 4 or 5 of you, and have an A & P mechanic who makes house calls. Don't
know what the chow hall will offer, but you can bet it will beat the grease
pit near your motel. And best of all, FREE BEER!
Rebel's Bluff is 2,200' x 75' of very nice sod, located 2 miles
NNE of Mt. Vernon International Airport (2MO), Mt Vernon, MISSOURI. N37 06.1
W93 52.2. It's about 150 SSE of Kansas City, and 140 E of Tulsa. We'll
leave the light on for ya, Les Featherston
417-466-4663 (GO 'N HOME) or 417-425-3595c Advance notice get's you better
food,
but is not necessary.
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| From: | "Ron Carter" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh |
Two Rockets will be departing Bountiful Skypark,Ut at sunrise Sunday July
24. Probably two stops enroute to OSH.
Ron Carter
N230RC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
>
> I'll be there Thursday thru Sunday. Probably stopping in MSP for a couple
> of days on the way and flying on to Prince Edward Island after the show.
>
> Russ
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "H PAINE" <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com>
> To: "Boyd C. Braem"
> Subject: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
>
>
> >
> > South West Rocketmen:
> >
> > If you are planning on going to OSHKOSH this year. Make email post when
> > leaving & from where and Lets make a rendezvous somewhere along the way
> > and
> > hook up maybe in small groups??
> >
> > Harry Paine 266HP
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Gidday from downunder |
| From: | "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com> |
Hey you guys, sorry I can't make it to Oshkosh. I figure it's about 8000 nm from
here!! (One hard-working Rocket II is still flying out of a strip in Queenstown,
New Zealand, amidst some pretty amazing scenery.) Why don't you just fill
up the drop tanks and make a slight detour to New Zealand, on your way to Oshkosh?
I'm mainly interested in the Rockets anyway :)
Have fun!!
Andrew Fairfax
PS Seriously - standing invitation for all Rocketeers to come and visit. If you've
got time on your hands, and wanna do some cool flying, I've got plenty of
room at my place. I'm in the travel business anyway, so it'd be easy to work it
all out. You might have to take a 747 to get here, but once you're in NZ it's
aviation paradise!
________________________________
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Ron Carter
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
Two Rockets will be departing Bountiful Skypark,Ut at sunrise Sunday July
24. Probably two stops enroute to OSH.
Ron Carter
N230RC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
>
> I'll be there Thursday thru Sunday. Probably stopping in MSP for a couple
> of days on the way and flying on to Prince Edward Island after the show.
>
> Russ
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "H PAINE" <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com>
> To: "Boyd C. Braem"
> Subject: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
>
>
> >
> > South West Rocketmen:
> >
> > If you are planning on going to OSHKOSH this year. Make email post when
> > leaving & from where and Lets make a rendezvous somewhere along the way
> > and
> > hook up maybe in small groups??
> >
> > Harry Paine 266HP
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | H PAINE <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh |
At 06:49 AM 7/7/05, you wrote:
>When what time will you be leaving Heber City??
What is your plan?? do you have a plan?
Harry
>I'll be there Thursday thru Sunday. Probably stopping in MSP for a couple
>of days on the way and flying on to Prince Edward Island after the show.
>
>Russ
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "H PAINE" <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com>
>To: "Boyd C. Braem"
>Subject: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
>
>
> >
> > South West Rocketmen:
> >
> > If you are planning on going to OSHKOSH this year. Make email post when
> > leaving & from where and Lets make a rendezvous somewhere along the way
> > and
> > hook up maybe in small groups??
> >
> > Harry Paine 266HP
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Rocket Shop" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh |
Plan. Now that is an interesting concept.......nope, don't have one
yet!
Russ
>
> At 06:49 AM 7/7/05, you wrote:
> >When what time will you be leaving Heber City??
>
> What is your plan?? do you have a plan?
>
> Harry
>
>
> >I'll be there Thursday thru Sunday. Probably stopping in MSP for a
couple
> >of days on the way and flying on to Prince Edward Island after the
show.
> >
> >Russ
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "H PAINE" <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com>
> >To: "Boyd C. Braem"
> >Subject: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
> >
> >
> > >
> > > South West Rocketmen:
> > >
> > > If you are planning on going to OSHKOSH this year. Make email
post when
> > > leaving & from where and Lets make a rendezvous somewhere along
the way
> > > and
> > > hook up maybe in small groups??
> > >
> > > Harry Paine 266HP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
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| From: | H PAINE <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh |
At 10:00 PM 7/10/05, you wrote:
Whats possibility of hooking up with you & flying out there?? at least part
of the way?
or maybe back ? I don't have a plan either because I like to keep my
options open to be able to fly VFR
which can vary the route consiberably.
Harry
>Plan. Now that is an interesting concept.......nope, don't have one
>yet!
>
>Russ
>
>
> >
> > At 06:49 AM 7/7/05, you wrote:
>
> > >When what time will you be leaving Heber City??
> >
> > What is your plan?? do you have a plan?
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
> > >I'll be there Thursday thru Sunday. Probably stopping in MSP for a
>couple
> > >of days on the way and flying on to Prince Edward Island after the
>show.
> > >
> > >Russ
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "H PAINE" <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com>
> > >To: "Boyd C. Braem"
> > >Subject: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
> > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > > South West Rocketmen:
> > > >
> > > > If you are planning on going to OSHKOSH this year. Make email
>post when
> > > > leaving & from where and Lets make a rendezvous somewhere along
>the way
> > > > and
> > > > hook up maybe in small groups??
> > > >
> > > > Harry Paine 266HP
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>--
>
>
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| From: | H PAINE <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh |
At 09:07 AM 7/7/05, you wrote:
Ron
Leaving won't work I plan on departing 7/27/2005. What is your planned
return date??
mine is either 7/31 or 8/1
Harry
>Two Rockets will be departing Bountiful Skypark,Ut at sunrise Sunday July
>24. Probably two stops enroute to OSH.
>
>Ron Carter
>N230RC
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
>
>
> >
> > I'll be there Thursday thru Sunday. Probably stopping in MSP for a couple
> > of days on the way and flying on to Prince Edward Island after the show.
> >
> > Russ
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "H PAINE" <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com>
> > To: "Boyd C. Braem"
> > Subject: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
> >
> >
> > >
> > > South West Rocketmen:
> > >
> > > If you are planning on going to OSHKOSH this year. Make email post when
> > > leaving & from where and Lets make a rendezvous somewhere along the way
> > > and
> > > hook up maybe in small groups??
> > >
> > > Harry Paine 266HP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russ <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh |
I plan to arrive OSH on the 28 and head further East on Sunday night the
31st. I intend to stop in MSP on the evening of the 26th to check the
in-law box. The rest is up in the air.
Call me after wednesday.
Russ
___
Sent with my cel phone!
...... Original Message .......
wrote:
>
>At 10:00 PM 7/10/05, you wrote:
>
>Whats possibility of hooking up with you & flying out there?? at least
part
>of the way?
>or maybe back ? I don't have a plan either because I like to keep my
>options open to be able to fly VFR
>which can vary the route consiberably.
>
>Harry
>
>
>>Plan. Now that is an interesting concept.......nope, don't have one
>>yet!
>>
>>Russ
>>
>>
>> >
>> > At 06:49 AM 7/7/05, you wrote:
>>
>> > >When what time will you be leaving Heber City??
>> >
>> > What is your plan?? do you have a plan?
>> >
>> > Harry
>> >
>> >
>> > >I'll be there Thursday thru Sunday. Probably stopping in MSP for a
>>couple
>> > >of days on the way and flying on to Prince Edward Island after the
>>show.
>> > >
>> > >Russ
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: "H PAINE" <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com>
>> > >To: "Boyd C. Braem"
>> > >Subject: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>> > > >
>> > > > South West Rocketmen:
>> > > >
>> > > > If you are planning on going to OSHKOSH this year. Make email
>>post when
>> > > > leaving & from where and Lets make a rendezvous somewhere along
>>the way
>> > > > and
>> > > > hook up maybe in small groups??
>> > > >
>> > > > Harry Paine 266HP
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Ron Carter" <ronc(at)metropolisdesign.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh |
We are heading back wed or thurs 27-28
Sorry.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "H PAINE" <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
>
> At 09:07 AM 7/7/05, you wrote:
>
>
> Ron
>
> Leaving won't work I plan on departing 7/27/2005. What is your planned
> return date??
> mine is either 7/31 or 8/1
>
> Harry
>
>
> >Two Rockets will be departing Bountiful Skypark,Ut at sunrise Sunday July
> >24. Probably two stops enroute to OSH.
> >
> >Ron Carter
> >N230RC
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I'll be there Thursday thru Sunday. Probably stopping in MSP for a
couple
> > > of days on the way and flying on to Prince Edward Island after the
show.
> > >
> > > Russ
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "H PAINE" <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com>
> > > To: "Boyd C. Braem"
> > > Subject: Rocket-List: Calif NV UT AZ Rocketmen flying to Oskosh
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > South West Rocketmen:
> > > >
> > > > If you are planning on going to OSHKOSH this year. Make email post
when
> > > > leaving & from where and Lets make a rendezvous somewhere along the
way
> > > > and
> > > > hook up maybe in small groups??
> > > >
> > > > Harry Paine 266HP
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FW: Rocketmen Flying to Oshkosh! |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
________________________________
From: Morocketman(at)aol.com [mailto:Morocketman(at)aol.com]
Subject: Re: Rocketmen Flying to Oshkosh!
Hey folks, Rebel's Bluff Airstrip will be open for overnighter's on the
way to or from OSH. My plans are such that I cannot leave for the "big
one" until about Thursday or Friday. I would welcome anyone, Rocket's
or otherwise, to stop by for AvGas ($2.75) or MoGas and accomodations.
I can hangar the first 4 or 5 of you, and have an A & P mechanic who
makes house calls. Don't know what the chow hall will offer, but you
can bet it will beat the grease pit near your motel. And best of all,
FREE BEER! Rebel's Bluff is
2,200' x 75' of very nice sod, located 2 miles NNE of Mt. Vernon
International Airport (2MO), Mt Vernon, MISSOURI. N37 06.1 W93 52.2.
It's about 150 SSE of Kansas City, and 140 E of Tulsa. We'll leave the
light on for ya, Les Featherston
417-466-4663 (GO 'N HOME) or 417-425-3595c Advance notice get's you
better food, but is not necessary.
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| From: | "Dorothy Ruschke" <gdrus(at)indianvalley.com> |
| Subject: | Harmon Rocket for sale |
Illness forces sale. Harmon Rocket II, built by A&P, 260HP IO-540 Lycoming, 55
hrs. TTAF, 58 hrs. SMOH, Apollo SL65 GPS/Com, King transponder, autopilot Navaid
wing leveler, electric trims, elevator, aileron & flaps, 5-pt Hooker harness,
inverted fuel, 2-blade Hartzell, custom paint & interior, sliding canopy,
F-1 cowl, Electronics International instruments, $125,000/OBO. Days 815-355-5813,
eves 815-786-1740 Located in IL
Reply off page
Gerry Ruschke
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Digest Truncation Fixed!! |
Dear Listers,
I finally figured out today what was causing the occasional
truncation of the daily List Digest emails. Seems that every once in
a while a message would contain a single "." (period) on line all by
itself. The mailers would see this and assume that this was the
universal emailer signal for "end of message", and consequently
wouldn't process any of the rest of the Digest message.
I've put in a filter today to remove any of these sequences so we
should be back in business on the Digests.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RV10-List: no match drill |
Read plans, measure, cut, smooth edges, measure..re-read plans (both sets),
re-measure, mark, punch, drill....OH sorry.... I was thinking of the first
10 or 12 steps of the HRII program before the first debar. 8*) KABONG Do
Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Daves" <dav1111(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: no match drill
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Russell Daves"
>
> Ream, deburr, dimple, cleco, rivet.
>
> Russ Daves
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| From: | N395V <N395V(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Check your canopy rails (Sliders) |
Blank
During run up today with the canopy full open the rear most rivet on the slider
rail broke and the canopy separated from the plane. According to by standers
the canopy shot straight up in the air suggesting front and back separated simultaneously
or very close to simultaneously. I have not found the rivet head yet
but it appears the rivet sheared as the hole is not enlarged. The rail is bent
almost straight up at the next to last rivet. Anyone else suffered a canopy
separation?
will these things fly without a canopy?
Milt
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| From: | "u2nelson" <u2nelson(at)prodigy.net> |
| Subject: | Check your canopy rails (Sliders) |
I know this does not help you now, but it might help you in the future and
others who have not yet had a problem. I suggest standard operating
procedure is to close the canopy before run up, that is my standard and has
been since nearly day one when I noticed the canopy really gets to jinking
and jiving pretty hard during the run up when open. I was afraid of long
term fatigue on the parts from the run ups, and based on your experience,
sounds like this is a potential issue when run ups are conducted canopy
open. That 0-540 is pushing allot of air, even at 1500 RPM.
Greg Nelson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of N395V
Subject: Rocket-List: Check your canopy rails (Sliders)
Blank
During run up today with the canopy full open the rear most rivet on the
slider rail broke and the canopy separated from the plane. According to by
standers the canopy shot straight up in the air suggesting front and back
separated simultaneously or very close to simultaneously. I have not found
the rivet head yet but it appears the rivet sheared as the hole is not
enlarged. The rail is bent almost straight up at the next to last rivet.
Anyone else suffered a canopy separation?
will these things fly without a canopy?
Milt
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| From: | N395V <N395V(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | re: re: Check your canopy (sliders) |
Got a note from Mark this AM. The aft fastener in the rail was clearly the wrong
fastener. I too have noted the canopies agitation during runup and had always
been confident it would not give way. The heat here in Mississippi is brutal
even during the brief runup period but I guess a little sweat beats the bucks
it is going to take to replace the canopy and it's components.
Glad I was at home whebn it happened had just completed a 12 day 21 hr trip through
the Southwest the day before. Would hate to have been on the road and lost
it.
Let me be clear there was no risk of this happening in flight it was, I am sure,
a matter of an incorrect fastener and induced fatigue as noted above.
Check and make sure you have the correct fasteners in the slide rail.
Milt
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
SNIPDon't know if you have ordered one yet, but Vince Frazier has some
sort of super good deal on new canopies. SNIP
Whoa...... I don't have any canopies, but I am a happy Todd's Canopies
customer. He custom made mine and it is just what I wanted. He can
make anything you want and the price is very good. Give him a few weeks
or more for the lead time. IIRC, he's a one man shop. FWIW, I have no
business interests in his stuff other than being a happy customer.
http://www.toddscanopies.com/ BTW, that's my baby on the bottom of his
homepage.
Vince
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| From: | arvil(at)bellsouth.net |
| Subject: | Re: canopy source |
Thanks for the information on the canopy's
Arvil
Frazier, Vincent A wrote:
>
> SNIPDon't know if you have ordered one yet, but Vince Frazier has some
> sort of super good deal on new canopies. SNIP
>
> Whoa...... I don't have any canopies, but I am a happy Todd's Canopies
> customer. He custom made mine and it is just what I wanted. He can
> make anything you want and the price is very good. Give him a few weeks
> or more for the lead time. IIRC, he's a one man shop. FWIW, I have no
> business interests in his stuff other than being a happy customer.
>
> http://www.toddscanopies.com/ BTW, that's my baby on the bottom of his
> homepage.
>
> Vince
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Folks,
Here is the promised competition number 2. Once again, you cannot win a prize,
but I will announce the winners.
Thanks for your participation.
Nico
On January 25, 2005, the pilot of this Cessna parked his plane ... where?
See how accurately you can pinpoint its location. You must also be able to explain
your answer. Send your response to me privately, so that everyone has a fair
shot at it. nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
There will be two parts to this competition. The first part consists of answering
the question above. The second part will consist of an additional clue and
then another answer will be required.
Do not underestimate the clues given here.
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/%232/c172.jpg
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Competition #2 (Link corrected) |
Sorry about the link, folks. This is the correct link or you could click on competition2
and then c172.jpg off the previous link if you wish:
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/competition2/c172.jpg
Subject: Competition #2
Folks,
Here is the promised competition number 2. Once again, you cannot win a prize,
but I will announce the winners.
Thanks for your participation.
Nico
On January 25, 2005, the pilot of this Cessna parked his plane ... where?
See how accurately you can pinpoint its location. You must also be able to explain
your answer. Send your response to me privately, so that everyone has a
fair shot at it. nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
There will be two parts to this competition. The first part consists of answering
the question above. The second part will consist of an additional clue and
then another answer will be required.
Do not underestimate the clues given here.
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/%232/c172.jpg
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Oshkosh - from Avflash |
Now that Oshkosh is underway...
I found this in Avflash.
Nico
Another day, another air show...
I was #3 "in the queue" for landing at Oshkosh a couple of years back. As everyone
knows, landing aircraft are spoken to but don't verbally reply to the FAA
controllers.
ATC to #1 on final: Brown Cessna, land on the Orange Spot. Rock your wings if you
copy.
(The Cessna rocked his wings.)
ATC to #2 on final: Red Biplane, land on the Blue Spot. Rock your wings.
(The Pitts Special executed two snap rolls to the left.)
ATC: And save that for the show, will you?
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| From: | "Kevin Shannon" <kshannon(at)seanet.com> |
I am building from an old set of plans (HRII set#24) and they call for
the rear wing spar doubler webs (inboard end of rear spars) to be made
from 1/8" 4130. I don't have this material in my parts pile, what did
every body else do? I would rather make them out of Aluminum like the
RV-4 plans call out.
Kevin Shannon
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| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: aft wing spar |
that was corrected on later plans
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| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: aft wing spar |
use the RV 4 parts
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | At the office... |
Oh, just another night in the office.
I cannot say 'been there done that." Wish I could, though.
Nico
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/CarrierLanding/NightTrap.wmv
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
SNIP
> Everyone make note, Scott Seabourn won a workmanship award for his
> red rocket with the flag design! Well done Scott, nice machine.
>
> A few folks at the local airport told me "Enter yours!" I told them
> they were nuts. Reason being airplanes like Scott's, Vince's are just
> extraordinary. What a good looking group of airplanes this year.
>
> Vince's had cool touches, map holders, DRINK HOLDERS (I'm getting a
> set), and over the top craftsmanship.
>
Howard SNIP
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> Hi all,
>
> Howard is too kind, but thanks nonetheless. Howard is being too modest
> about his fine looking machine. It is just as nice as any out there.
> And a sweet paint scheme too.
>
> Oshkosh was a hoot. I was there from Saturday through Friday.
>
> Now a little about the show, I had a few people poke fingers at my
> plane (I buried their bodies behind the fly market), but it was more
> than made up for by the droves of people taking pictures of it. Of
> course, they were also snapping pics of all the other awesome Rockets
> in row 327. You just can't beat Oshkosh for showing off your new
> baby.
>
> Saturday was particularly interesting. The forecast was for a 30%
> chance of T-storms that p.m. I flew in with 3 RV's. We were all tied
> down in various rows in the showplane area. However, we were camped
> with our "ground crews" next to the UL runway... about 2 miles from
> row 327. No sooner had we set up our tents than a guy on a scooter
> came through the UL campground and said loudly "A line of T-storms
> packing 90mph winds will be here in an hour. Get ready." We turned
> on the wx radio and just about crapped our pants when we heard that
> dire forecast confirmed.
>
> The 4 of us really didn't know whether to leave immediately, or ride
> it out. We decided that the storms would likely diminish before
> arriving so we double knotted the tent ropes and checked the planes.
> We could see the storm approaching as we discussed what each of us
> would do with the insurance money if the storm really did pack 90 mph
> winds.
>
> As it turned out, the storm was only packing 30-40 mph winds... just
> enough to dump over a few Port-O-Lets (man, how gross is that?) and
> blow down a few tents. After the storm, it got blazing hot and stayed
> that way until Monday. Fortunately, the heat wave was replaced on
> Monday night by about 4" of rain. Stuff got wet inside my plane that I
> didn't think could possibly get wet. Grrrrrrr.
>
> The rest of the week was beautiful wx.
>
> Some of you might know Doug Rosedaal (I think that's who it was).
> Doug stopped by my plane and inquired about the fancy LCD screens in
> my panel, particularly the bottom one. He asked if it was some fancy
> instrument that I'd never heard of. When I told him it was just a
> video monitor for the taxi camera I got a huge eye-roll as he spun on
> a heel and sped off to the next stop. I just had to chuckle, I assume
> that he thought that real macho pilots don't need such frills. True.
> We don't "need" them, but you also don't "need" brakes, electrical
> systems, or tailwheels. But they are awfully nice once you've used
> them.
>
> I found that at a strange airport (like OSH) that the camera is a very
> nice addition to what you can see with your eyeballs since a quick
> glance confirms that there is nothing hiding under that big nose.
> Turning the screen on is now part of my startup and downwind
> checklists. Since I am paranoid about hitting that big, expensive fan
> I find it very useful on the ground, though it is useless in the air.
>
> I wasn't really shopping for anything at Osh, but I was intrigued by
> the Lowrance 2000c GPS. I have a Lowrance 1000 that I like very much.
> I was somewhat skeptical that the color screen would be bright enough
> to see in sunlight. I tried a unit outside of one of the buildings
> for about 10 minutes and it seemed OK, so I bought one. After I
> installed it in the panel where my 1000 used to be I completely fell
> in love with it. The 2000c screen is 10x more readable than the 1000.
> It was CAVU all the way home and the 2000c screen was fully visible
> even with Polaroid sunglasses on. Sadly, I didn't have a GPS to
> trade-in or I could have saved $225 with their rebate. Doh! The old
> 1000 is going to be mounted in the backseat so the GIB can see where
> we're going.
>
> I also ordered an A-2 jacket from RT Foster. He's the guy in the fly
> market who sells the painted jackets. You should've seen my wife's
> face when I told her that I'd just plopped $500 down on a new coat. I
> think she was overjoyed. Then I told her that she was going to be
> part of the artwork on the back. Wow, I think she had a tear in her
> eye upon hearing that news. It's a good thing that she loves me so
> much. ;-)
>
> I have been trying to find my next project. Spaceship One would be
> pretty cool, but it needs that whole mothership thing. A full scale 3
> engine Dornier flying boat would also be neat, but my shop isn't quite
> big enough. So, I'm planning on flying over to Carbondale, IL to
> visit a Storch builder. It would be a gas to have one that I can fly
> out of my backyard. I'd use it to commute to the airport where I keep
> the Rocket. Yes, really.
>
> Can't wait until next year. Oshkosh rules in spite of the high cost,
> inconvenience, etc...
>
BTW, A big THANK YOU to all who helped me get this machine in the air...
you know who you are. What you don't know is how glad I am to have such
a great group of friends!
> Vince
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | A1AVIATON(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: canopy SpamAssassin (score=-2.579, required 3.7, autolearn=n... |
HI LARRY. VINCES CANOPY SELL' S THE LATEST CANOPY FOR $340.00 + SHIPPING
PLUS WILL REPLACE IF DAMAGED IN SHIPPING, WERE DID YOU BUY YOURS, I MAY BE
INTERESTED IF YOU SELL LESS THAN VINCES, MIKE
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| Subject: | Todd's Canopies is the vendor you want |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
SNIP********** HI LARRY. VINCES CANOPY SELL' S THE LATEST CANOPY FOR
$340.00 + SHIPPING PLUS WILL REPLACE IF DAMAGED IN SHIPPING, WERE DID
YOU BUY YOURS, I MAY BE INTERESTED IF YOU SELL LESS THAN VINCES,
MIKE************SNIP
Guys,
Vince here. I don't sell canopies. Todd Silver of Todd's canopies sold
me mine. I am quite happy with it.
However, I DON'T SELL CANOPIES.
How did this thread get so whacked?
Vince
http://vincesrocket.com/
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| From: | "Rick Bowen" <rollnloop(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Todd's Canopies is the vendor you want |
Hey Vince,
I would like some info on getting one of those canopies you make.
I hear they are REALLY nice.
How much?
How long for delivery?
Hehehehe.
Just kiddin'!!!
Couldn' resist!!! 8-)
Rick
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| From: | "Aaron Villery" <Scudrunr(at)mho.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Todd's Canopies is the vendor you want |
You're sitting on a gold mine Vincent!
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
I know I missed at least a few Rockets that were there, including mine,
Mark Frederick's, Tom Utterbach's, and one that was somewhere out in the
campground, but here are most of them....
http://www.vincesrocket.com/Oshkosh%202005.html
Vince Frazier
3965 Caborn Road
Mount Vernon, IN 47620
812-464-1839 work
812-985-7309 home
F-1H Rocket, N540VF
http://vincesrocket.com/
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
http://www.airventure.org/2005/gallery/images/sun24/detailing.jpg Do
you think that the photographer even noticed the Bonanza?
Vince Frazier
F-1H Rocket, N540VF
http://vincesrocket.com/
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| From: | "Rick Bowen" <rollnloop(at)hotmail.com> |
What Bonanza??????????
Rick
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| From: | "Archie" <archie97(at)earthlink.net> |
I like this one better. Those that saw it behind the F1 display might agree.
This one appeared flawless.
(no, I am not gay!)
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| From: | "Archie" <archie97(at)earthlink.net> |
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| From: | "Archie" <archie97(at)earthlink.net> |
Would not accept photo.
Reduced size, and re sending.
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| From: | A1AVIATON(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 08/04/05 |
$750.00 how many canopys do you get for that,
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Competition #2 Solution |
Folks,
Here is the solution to competition #2, "Where is this Cessna Parked?"
Enjoy and thank you to those who participated.
Nico
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/competition2/Competition2_solution.html
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Bird strike! Fighter down! |
0.00 MANY_EXCLAMATIONS Subject has many exclamations
I just had to share this with you all.
Nico
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Movies/birdsuck.wmv
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| From: | H PAINE <bluebird266(at)dslextreme.com> |
| Subject: | Lean side of peak running |
After about two months of intermittent test I finally archived the desired
results. Working with Don Rivera at Airflow Performance and changing the
injector nozzles to the size that evened out the cylinders Egt peak within
.2 GPH. He would make recommendations based upon fuel flow and EGT data
that I gave to him about five different times.
Here are the results
at 21.5"MP and 22OO RPM at 8500 to 10500 between 8.5 GPH and 10 GPH that
good but for you rocket drivers with High CHT on these summer days listen
to this!!
Took off form Lamar Col on the hottest day in recorded history for that
area AWOS said 104F at 3700 ft
OAT digital thermometer said 117 degrees or 45C for you metric folks was
surprised to get bluebird started after heat soaking for 1/2 hour but to
date I have not failed to hot start on first try for two years now and that
my friends was the ultimate test! Took off fully loaded and did slow 1000
fpm climb to 7500 ft before CHT hit 430 oil 220 leveled off and stablelized
settings to 21.5 "MP and 2200 RPM then proceeded to Go to lean of peak
about 50 F and watched the CHT's drop to 370 F and oil down to 180
as Vince would say Wahoo!!! First time bluebird has run so cool or yeah it
was still indicating 99F oat
at 7500. After that I just maintained that MP pressure as long as possible
slowly step climbing to
15500 and sucking on the nose tube. Yes TAS is slower but not by much about
170Kts.
More on my Hot start procedure later
Harry Paine
266HP 360 hrs
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| From: | Lee Armstrong <kevin(at)bondedcomponents.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | UK Rocket Website |
Hi guys,
I've posted a couple of times on here for the odd bit of info and help,
and as part of a thanks and 'cos it might be of interest, i've knocked
up a site for my fathers Rocket. Its gots some nice pics of it more or
less finished and a few pics in build, the odd link and a few other
snippets of info.
http://www.bondedcomponents.co.uk/rocket/
Enjoy,
Lee
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| From: | "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: UK Rocket Website |
Thank for the photo's and "knocking up" the site 8*). If it flys half as
good as it looks it must be great. But then aren't all Rockets. My wife just
returned from London Wednesday and now says I have to go as she has seen the
museums and needs someone to tote the luggage. KABONG HRII N561FS Do Not
Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Armstrong" <kevin(at)bondedcomponents.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Rocket-List: UK Rocket Website
>
>
> Hi guys,
January 16, 2005 - August 12, 2005
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