Rocket-Archive.digest.vol-au
September 30, 2008 - June 15, 2009
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | RE Rocket "Accident" |
Ditto, Cal. So glad you are uninjured. Stay safe.
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Smith, Stuart
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: RE Rocket "Accident"
Cal:
I am so sorry to hear of your misfortune. We try to do everything right
and sometimes bad things still happen. Good luck with your repairs - Stu
Smith, HRII at Compton Airport, near LAX.
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of CalBru(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: RE Rocket "Accident"
Guys,
I thought that I had ground looped my F1 out at Truckee on 9/10/08. This
will probably come up on NTSB eventually.
I thought this through in my mind quite a bit wondering what I had done
wrong. We were slow, the TW had come down, when the plane just started
going right, no matter how much L rudder I put in.
The L MLG bent back and in about 15*, the L wing tagged the runway, and of
course, upon leaving the pavement and decelerating into the dirt the tail
came up for a quick prop strike, then back down. No injuries.
As I drove a borrowed large truck and 30' trailer out there last Friday
(from Salt Lake), I thought about the damage and realized that the TW has
collapsed and twisted clockwise, where all of the momentum during the
accident was turning everything counterclockwise. I had noticed that the TW
had sheared the 2 AN3 bolts and rotated at the scene, but it was later that
it dawned on me that it must have collapsed prior to the accident--in fact
the TW failure caused the accident.
The single arm Janzi TW steering arm obviously rotated during the failure
from horizontal to vertical, thus placing pressure on the bottom of the
rudder and forcing it to the right, thus causing the uncontrollable right
turn! There is a hole punctured in the glass rudder bottom, probably from
my Left foot jamming on the L rudder so hard.
I was upset that I had damaged the plane, but when I thought it was my fault
(even though I could not figure out why) I felt OK about the brain damage
and expense of the repair. Now, knowing that a few cents worth of bolts
failing caused the accident and aftermath, I'm kinda upset.
Bottom line, Check your bolts which go through the TW assembly into the tail
spring so you don't have a similar incident!!!
The F1 is back in the hangar now, and I'll slowly figure out how to get it
back in the air!
Cal Brubaker
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| From: | "John Bolding" <jnbolding1(at)teleshare.net> |
My RV3 tailwheel spring got a taper pin instead of a bolt 'cause my Dad
"said so". Lasted almost 30 yrs and 2000 hrs so far. Hope it'll make it
another 30, hell , I hope I make it another 30. John
> Cal,
>
> Sorry to read about your incident!
>
> The tailwheel assembly on my Wittman Tailwind spring-rod also sheared the
> bolt and rotated 90 degrees,but fortunately, without other damage.
>
> The fix that has worked perfectly throughout the subsequent 500 flight
> hours was to drill and ream both the spring-rod and tailwheel unit for a
> taper pin. > Taper pins and matching taper reamers are available in many
> diameters to fit a range of appropriate requirements.
>
>
>
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| From: | Smoky Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel bolt |
I used TWO AN bolts instead of one. My HR2 has an API tailwheel and after 300 hours
they still look fine. My driveway is "rougher than a stucco bathtub" and
my turf strip not much better. Redundancy my brother!
Smokey
HR2
--- On Tue, 9/30/08, John Bolding wrote:
From: John Bolding <jnbolding1(at)teleshare.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: Tailwheel bolt
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 7:55 PM
My RV3 tailwheel spring got a taper pin instead of a bolt 'cause my Dad
"said so". Lasted almost 30 yrs and 2000 hrs so far. Hope it'll
make it
another 30, hell , I hope I make it another 30. John
> Cal,
>
> Sorry to read about your incident!
>
> The tailwheel assembly on my Wittman Tailwind spring-rod also sheared the
> bolt and rotated 90 degrees,but fortunately, without other damage.
>
> The fix that has worked perfectly throughout the subsequent 500 flight
> hours was to drill and ream both the spring-rod and tailwheel unit for a
> taper pin. > Taper pins and matching taper reamers are available in
many
> diameters to fit a range of appropriate requirements.
>
>
>
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
OK, now I'm a bit confused as to which bolt sheared. Was it the one
inside the fuselage at the top of the spring rod or the ones nearest the
tailwheel. You should have 2 bolts down there.
I have a tapered pin inside the fuselage on mine. As far as I know,
it's in good shape... but it sure would be tough to inspect.
Vince
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From: Smoky Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Tailwheel bolt
I used TWO AN bolts instead of one. My HR2 has an API tailwheel and
after 300 hours they still look fine. My driveway is "rougher than a
stucco bathtub" and my turf strip not much better. Redundancy my
brother!
Smokey
HR2
--- On Tue, 9/30/08, John Bolding wrote:
From: John Bolding <jnbolding1(at)teleshare.net>
Subject: Rocket-List: Tailwheel bolt
My RV3 tailwheel spring got a taper pin instead of a bolt 'cause my Dad
"said so". Lasted almost 30 yrs and 2000 hrs so far. Hope it'll make it
another 30, hell , I hope I make it another 30. John
> Cal,
>
> Sorry to read about your incident!
>
> The tailwheel assembly on my Wittman Tailwind spring-rod also sheared
the
> bolt and rotated 90 degrees,but fortunately, without other damage.
>
> The fix that has worked perfectly throughout the subsequent 500 flight
> hours was to drill and ream both the spring-rod and tailwheel unit for
a
> taper pin. > Taper pins and matching taper reamers are available in
many
> diameters to fit a range of appropriate requirements.
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Airfilter problem |
HR guys,
As per John Harmon's recommendation, I have been using a UNI filter
UP-6300 ast motorcycle filter. Not only do I not like the looks of the
thing but it lays on the inside of the cowl and has to deform a bit to
do that, it also is wearing where the cuff slides over the Y-valve. I
am using John's intake Y valve and the angle of the filter side may not
be quite right. Has anyone had this problem and or have a solution?
Perhaps going to a K&N filter will do it, any model numbers would help
my search for a solution.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
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| From: | Tom Martin <fairlea(at)amtelecom.net> |
| Subject: | Airfilter problem |
Jim
I had a similar set up on my second Harmon. I used a conical
K&N filter that had a bit of an offset in the attach flange. Part # RB 091.
It did touch the starter and I put a big gob of RTV at the point of contact.
It also tended to touch the cowling but never seemed to cause and damage. I
do not see any reason why you could not squeeze a bit to get more clearance.
It is a nice simple system.
Tom Martin
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Sent: October 2, 2008 10:39 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
HR guys,
As per John Harmon's recommendation, I have been using a UNI filter UP-6300
ast motorcycle filter. Not only do I not like the looks of the thing but it
lays on the inside of the cowl and has to deform a bit to do that, it also
is wearing where the cuff slides over the Y-valve. I am using John's intake
Y valve and the angle of the filter side may not be quite right. Has anyone
had this problem and or have a solution? Perhaps going to a K&N filter will
do it, any model numbers would help my search for a solution.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfilter problem |
Thanks Tom,
I'm heading to the store now.
Jim Stone
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From: Tom Martin
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Jim
I had a similar set up on my second Harmon. I used a
conical K&N filter that had a bit of an offset in the attach flange.
Part # RB 091. It did touch the starter and I put a big gob of RTV at
the point of contact. It also tended to touch the cowling but never
seemed to cause and damage. I do not see any reason why you could not
squeeze a bit to get more clearance. It is a nice simple system.
Tom Martin
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Sent: October 2, 2008 10:39 AM
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
HR guys,
As per John Harmon's recommendation, I have been using a UNI filter
UP-6300 ast motorcycle filter. Not only do I not like the looks of the
thing but it lays on the inside of the cowl and has to deform a bit to
do that, it also is wearing where the cuff slides over the Y-valve. I
am using John's intake Y valve and the angle of the filter side may not
be quite right. Has anyone had this problem and or have a solution?
Perhaps going to a K&N filter will do it, any model numbers would help
my search for a solution.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
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| Subject: | Re: tailwheel bolt |
The bolts that sheared on my accident/incident were the two AN3 bolts that
thru bolt the TW assembly to the aft end of the tail spring. NOT the
tailspring to the fuse bolt!
Sorry for the miscommunication.
I have some pix on my cell phone, but need to get an 8th grader to show me
how to get them into my computor!!
Cal Brubaker
F1 116
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| From: | Smoky Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: tailwheel bolt |
Cal,
What type tailwheel?
Smokey
HR2
--- On Thu, 10/2/08, CalBru(at)aol.com wrote:
From: CalBru(at)aol.com <CalBru(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: tailwheel bolt
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 8:53 PM
The bolts that sheared on my accident/incident were the two AN3 bolts that
thru bolt the TW assembly to the aft end of the tail spring.- NOT the
tailspring to the fuse bolt!
-
Sorry for the miscommunication.
-
I have some pix on my cell phone, but need to get an 8th grader to show me
how to get them into my computor!!
-
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| Subject: | Re: tailwheel bolt |
It is the stock TW that came with the F1 kit.
The wheel, wheel forks, assembly, etc all seem OK, even after dragging along
the runway on it's side. Just those dang bolts, and what ever I did to
them, that were the culprit.
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| From: | Smoky Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: tailwheel bolt |
Bigger bolts! :)
--- On Fri, 10/3/08, CalBru(at)aol.com wrote:
From: CalBru(at)aol.com <CalBru(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: tailwheel bolt
Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 1:37 PM
It is the stock TW that came with the F1 kit.
-
The wheel, wheel forks, assembly, etc all seem OK, even after dragging
along the runway on it's side.- Just those dang bolts, and what ever I di
d
to them, that were the culprit.
-
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| From: | Tom Martin <fairlea(at)amtelecom.net> |
The AN bolts that we use on our aircraft are not really that strong and
you
could consider going with a good quality machine bolt. Grade five or
grade
eight bolts would be quite a bit stronger in shear. When you are
turning
the aircraft that tail wheel assembly is putting a lot of shear loads on
those small bolts. Remember that this is the same assembly that was
designed for a 1500 lb gross weight RV4.
On my EVO I tried something different. Rather then using bolts I used
what
is called a spilt pin. These are often used to hold gears on shafts and
they are very hard. They are slightly oversized and the split allows
them
to be driven in. I used locktite and currently have 275 hours on the
plane.
I can not see any evidence that there is any movement in the area. The
nice
thing about this method is that three is nothing sticking out as you can
grind the pin to size after it is installed. This is truly experimental
on
my part so use this method at your own risk.
Vince Frazier=92s tail assembly will reduce the twisting
loads and
I highly recommend making the change.
Tom Martin
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Sent: October 3, 2008 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: tailwheel bolt
It is the stock TW that came with the F1 kit.
The wheel, wheel forks, assembly, etc all seem OK, even after dragging
along
the runway on it's side. Just those dang bolts, and what ever I did to
them, that were the culprit.
Cal B.
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: tailwheel bolt |
Is it possible you over torqued the bolts and weakened them? Since this
is the first failure of it's kind, I have to suspect something damaged
your bolts.
Jim
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From: Smoky Ray
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: tailwheel bolt
Bigger bolts! :)
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Subject: Re: Rocket-List: tailwheel bolt
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 1:37 PM
It is the stock TW that came with the F1 kit.
The wheel, wheel forks, assembly, etc all seem OK, even after
dragging along the runway on it's side. Just those dang bolts, and what
ever I did to them, that were the culprit.
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| From: | Tom Martin <fairlea(at)amtelecom.net> |
Years ago a friend of mine with a RV6 only drilled one hole and installed
one bolt in this location. He did not feel that two bolts would be needed.
A year or so later he was taxiing on the ground and turned the airplane to
shut it down into the wind. The tail bounced into a slight depression and
the one bolt sheared like butter. Of course he installed two bolts after
that and had no problems. The RV 6 is much lighter than our aircraft and I
can see how these bolts could shear. This may be a one time occurrence,
however I see no downside to installing better quality bolts at that
location.
Tom Martin
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Sent: October 4, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: tailwheel bolt
Is it possible you over torqued the bolts and weakened them? Since this is
the first failure of it's kind, I have to suspect something damaged your
bolts.
Jim
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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:smokyray(at)rocketmail.com"Smoky Ray
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: tailwheel bolt
Bigger bolts! :)
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Subject: Re: Rocket-List: tailwheel bolt
Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 1:37 PM
It is the stock TW that came with the F1 kit.
The wheel, wheel forks, assembly, etc all seem OK, even after dragging along
the runway on it's side. Just those dang bolts, and what ever I did to
them, that were the culprit.
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| Subject: | Re: tailwheel bolt |
Jim,
It's possible, but I have a $250 Snap-On torque wrench that I just love to
use!!
Who knows,
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| From: | Im7shannon(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: tailwheel bolt |
What about the bolt that goes through the fuse weldment and holds the
tailwheel spring on? I dont know about the F-1 but my HR II just has one AN bolt.
This bolt gets the same twisting forces as the bolt(s) securing the tailwheel.
I think I will put a high strength bolt in there too.
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| From: | Tom Martin <fairlea(at)amtelecom.net> |
This is typically a =BC=94 bolt. Some use a tapered pin here or a
larger 5/16=94
bolt. The key here is to get the hole drilled properly the first time
and
to keep the bolt tight. If it gets loose the spring tends to work back
and
forth and oblongs the hole in the weldment. That is when you drill up
to a
larger size bolt.
Tom Martin
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Sent: October 4, 2008 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: tailwheel bolt
What about the bolt that goes through the fuse weldment and holds the
tailwheel spring on? I dont know about the F-1 but my HR II just has one
AN
bolt. This bolt gets the same twisting forces as the bolt(s) securing
the
tailwheel. I think I will put a high strength bolt in there too.
Kevin Shannon
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| Subject: | tailwheel spring |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
SNIP What about the bolt that goes through the fuse weldment and holds
the
tailwheel spring on? I dont know about the F-1 but my HR II just has one
AN bolt.
This bolt gets the same twisting forces as the bolt(s) securing the
tailwheel.
I think I will put a high strength bolt in there too.
Kevin Shannon SNIP
Kevin and others,
Here's a snippet from one of my webpages
http://www.vincesrocket.com/landing%20gear%20and%20related%20stuff.htm
that details the tapered pin approach to use to retain the spring in the
fuselage weldment. It's from Bob Japundza originally.
Vince
I want to pass on a little tidbit here about the bolt that holds the
tailwheel spring to the tailwheel weldment. I drilled mine per Mark's
instructions and found that the bolt went in too easily--this should be
an interference fit (once again, my savior the "big-ass" hammer should
be used to put the bolt in). I wrapped a piece of scrap aluminum around
the tailwheel spring and could twist it with a pair of vise-grips. Not
good! If there's any play here, the bolt can eventually fail or the hole
will become elongated. I have heard of failures in these bolts on RV's .
Rather than taking my chances with a larger bolt and it too not being
correct, I decided to fix it with a taper pin which worked out very
well. Here's the recipe:
AN386-2-9A taper pin (aircraft spruce)
AN975-3 taper pin washer (aircraft spruce)
B&S #2 taper pin reamer
(http://www.mscdirect.com/MSCCatLookup2.process?MSCProdID=02054021)
(1/2 the price of AC$)
12" long tap handle
(http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=45206
)
The taper pin has the advantage that if the pin ever loosens up, you can
just tighten up the nut and things should be snug again. The taper pin
is an odd-sized Browne & Sharpe #2 taper, so don't confuse it with other
-2 tapers.
I highly advise that the final hole size should be reamed with a
hand-reamer .001-.002 under-size even if you don't use a taper-pin.
There are too many variables with drilling to final size with a hand
drill. Bob Japundza
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfilter problem |
Hey Tom,
Been doing some research on filters. Your part number was close but I
came up with RB-0910 which is 5 inches high, and an RB-0900 which is 4
inches in height. Do you think the 4 inch high one would work better,
i.e., less contact with cowl and starter?
I also found some cone shapes which are about 5 inches high but have 3
1/2 inch diameter top, perhaps that would work, what do you think?
I wish my cowl was off so I could take some measurements. I just put it
back on Sunday after the annual inspection.
Jim Stone
Louisville KY
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From: Tom Martin
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Jim
I had a similar set up on my second Harmon. I used a
conical K&N filter that had a bit of an offset in the attach flange.
Part # RB 091. It did touch the starter and I put a big gob of RTV at
the point of contact. It also tended to touch the cowling but never
seemed to cause and damage. I do not see any reason why you could not
squeeze a bit to get more clearance. It is a nice simple system.
Tom Martin
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Sent: October 2, 2008 10:39 AM
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
HR guys,
As per John Harmon's recommendation, I have been using a UNI filter
UP-6300 ast motorcycle filter. Not only do I not like the looks of the
thing but it lays on the inside of the cowl and has to deform a bit to
do that, it also is wearing where the cuff slides over the Y-valve. I
am using John's intake Y valve and the angle of the filter side may not
be quite right. Has anyone had this problem and or have a solution?
Perhaps going to a K&N filter will do it, any model numbers would help
my search for a solution.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Checked by AVG.
Checked by AVG.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Smoky Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfilter problem |
Jim,=0A=0A- I'm using a K&N cone filter on my Harmon intake w/bypass, 3.5
inch top. Works great with my Skytech starter and clears the cowl with 2"
to spare. Suprisingly, K&N had compettive prices...=0A=0ASmokey=0AHR2=0A=0A
=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
=0ATo: rocket-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, October 6, 2008 6:42:56 PM
=0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem=0A=0A=0AHey Tom,=0ABeen doin
g some research on filters.- Your part number was close but I came up wit
h RB-0910 which is 5 inches high, and an RB-0900 which is 4 inches in heigh
t.- Do you think the 4 inch high one would work better, i.e., less contac
t with cowl and starter?=0AI also found some cone shapes which are about 5
inches high but have 3 1/2 inch diameter top, perhaps that would work, what
do you think?=0AI wish my cowl was off so I could take some measurements.
- I just put it back on Sunday after the annual inspection.=0AJim Stone
=0ALouisville KY=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Tom Martin =0ATo:
rocket-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:53 AM=0ASu
bject: RE: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem=0A=0AJim=0A-------
---- I had a similar set up on my second Harmon. -I used a conica
l K&N filter that had a bit of an offset in the attach flange. -Part # RB
091.-- It did touch the starter and I put a big gob of RTV at the poin
t of contact. -It also tended to touch the cowling but never seemed to ca
use and damage. -I do not see any reason why you could not squeeze a bit
to get more clearance.- It is a nice simple system.=0A-=0ATom Martin=0A
-=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom:owner-rocket-list-serve
r(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf O
f Jim Stone=0ASent: October 2, 2008 10:39 AM=0ATo: rocket-list(at)matronics.co
m=0ASubject: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem=0A-=0AHR guys,=0AAs per John
Harmon's recommendation, I have been using a UNI filter UP-6300 ast motorcy
cle filter.- Not only do I not like the looks of the thing but it lays on
the inside of the cowl and has to deform a bit to do that, it also is wear
ing where the cuff slides over the Y-valve.- I am using John's intake Y v
alve and the angle of the filter side may not be quite right.- Has anyone
had this problem and or have a solution?- Perhaps going to a K&N filter
will do it, any model numbers would help my search for a solution.=0AThanks
-========================
====================0A=0AChecked by A
VG. =0AChecked by AVG.=0A=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfilter problem |
Smokey,
If you happen to have that K&N model number, you might save me from
ordering the wrong one.
Thanks,
Jim
HR2
----- Original Message -----
From: Smoky Ray
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Jim,
I'm using a K&N cone filter on my Harmon intake w/bypass, 3.5 inch
top. Works great with my Skytech starter and clears the cowl with 2" to
spare. Suprisingly, K&N had compettive prices...
Smokey
HR2
----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 6:42:56 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Hey Tom,
Been doing some research on filters. Your part number was close but I
came up with RB-0910 which is 5 inches high, and an RB-0900 which is 4
inches in height. Do you think the 4 inch high one would work better,
i.e., less contact with cowl and starter?
I also found some cone shapes which are about 5 inches high but have 3
1/2 inch diameter top, perhaps that would work, what do you think?
I wish my cowl was off so I could take some measurements. I just put
it back on Sunday after the annual inspection.
Jim Stone
Louisville KY
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Martin
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Jim
I had a similar set up on my second Harmon. I used a
conical K&N filter that had a bit of an offset in the attach flange.
Part # RB 091. It did touch the starter and I put a big gob of RTV at
the point of contact. It also tended to touch the cowling but never
seemed to cause and damage. I do not see any reason why you could not
squeeze a bit to get more clearance. It is a nice simple system.
Tom Martin
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Sent: October 2, 2008 10:39 AM
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
HR guys,
As per John Harmon's recommendation, I have been using a UNI filter
UP-6300 ast motorcycle filter. Not only do I not like the looks of the
thing but it lays on the inside of the cowl and has to deform a bit to
do that, it also is wearing where the cuff slides over the Y-valve. I
am using John's intake Y valve and the angle of the filter side may not
be quite right. Has anyone had this problem and or have a solution?
Perhaps going to a K&N filter will do it, any model numbers would help
my search for a solution.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Checked by AVG.
Checked by AVG.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Smoky Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfilter problem |
Do my best sir...
Smokey
--- On Tue, 10/7/08, Jim Stone wrote:
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 1:12 AM
#yiv1338319602 DIV {
MARGIN:0px;}
Smokey,
If you happen to have that K&N model number,
you might save me from ordering the wrong one.
Thanks,
Jim
HR2
----- Original Message -----
From:
Smoky
Ray
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:42
PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter
problem
Jim,
-
- I'm using a K&N cone filter on my Harmon intake w/bypass, 3.5
inch top. Works great with my Skytech starter and clears the cowl with 2"
to
spare. Suprisingly, K&N had compettive prices...
-
Smokey
HR2
-----
Original Message ----
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Sent:
Monday, October 6, 2008 6:42:56 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter
problem
Hey Tom,
Been doing some research on filters.- Your
part number was close but I came up with RB-0910 which is 5 inches high,
and
an RB-0900 which is 4 inches in height.- Do you think the 4 inch high o
ne
would work better, i.e., less contact with cowl and starter?
I also found some cone shapes which are about 5
inches high but have 3 1/2 inch diameter top, perhaps that would work, wh
at do
you think?
I wish my cowl was off so I could take some
measurements.- I just put it back on Sunday after the annual
inspection.
Jim Stone
Louisville KY
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom
Martin
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:53
AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Airfilter
problem
Jim
-----------
I had a similar set up on my second Harmon. -I used a conical K&N
filter that had a bit of an offset in the attach flange. -Part # RB
091.-- It did touch the starter and I put a big gob of RTV at the
point of contact. -It also tended to touch the cowling but never seem
ed
to cause and damage. -I do not see any reason why you could not squee
ze
a bit to get more clearance.- It is a nice simple
system.
-
Tom
Martin
-
From:
owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Sent: October 2, 2008 10:39
AM
rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Airfilter
problem
-
HR guys,
As per John Harmon's
recommendation, I have been using a UNI filter UP-6300 ast motorcycle
filter.- Not only do I not like the looks of the thing but it lays on
the inside of the cowl and has to deform a bit to do that, it also is
wearing where the cuff slides over the Y-valve.- I am using John's
intake Y valve and the angle of the filter side may not be quite
right.- Has anyone had this problem and or have a solution?-
Perhaps going to a K&N filter will do it, any model numbers would help
my search for a solution.
Thanks,
Jim
Stone - - -Checked by AVG.
Checked by AVG.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Smoky Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfilter problem |
Jim,
- I am 99% sure this is the one. I will pull my cowling and confirm it ne
xt week, hope it helps.
Smokey
HR2
http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=RF-1039
--- On Tue, 10/7/08, Smoky Ray wrote:
From: Smoky Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 5:09 PM
Do my best sir...
Smokey
--- On Tue, 10/7/08, Jim Stone wrote:
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 1:12 AM
#yiv68663337 #yiv1338319602 DIV {
MARGIN:0px;}
Smokey,
If you happen to have that K&N model number,
you might save me from ordering the wrong one.
Thanks,
Jim
HR2
----- Original Message -----
From:
Smoky
Ray
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:42
PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter
problem
Jim,
-
- I'm using a K&N cone filter on my Harmon intake w/bypass, 3.5
inch top. Works great with my Skytech starter and clears the cowl with 2"
to
spare. Suprisingly, K&N had compettive prices...
-
Smokey
HR2
-----
Original Message ----
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Sent:
Monday, October 6, 2008 6:42:56 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter
problem
Hey Tom,
Been doing some research on filters.- Your
part number was close but I came up with RB-0910 which is 5 inches high,
and
an RB-0900 which is 4 inches in height.- Do you think the 4 inch high o
ne
would work better, i.e., less contact with cowl and starter?
I also found some cone shapes which are about 5
inches high but have 3 1/2 inch diameter top, perhaps that would work, wh
at do
you think?
I wish my cowl was off so I could take some
measurements.- I just put it back on Sunday after the annual
inspection.
Jim Stone
Louisville KY
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom
Martin
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:53
AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Airfilter
problem
Jim
-----------
I had a similar set up on my second Harmon. -I used a conical K&N
filter that had a bit of an offset in the attach flange. -Part # RB
091.-- It did touch the starter and I put a big gob of RTV at the
point of contact. -It also tended to touch the cowling but never seem
ed
to cause and damage. -I do not see any reason why you could not squee
ze
a bit to get more clearance.- It is a nice simple
system.
-
Tom
Martin
-
From:
owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Sent: October 2, 2008 10:39
AM
rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Airfilter
problem
-
HR guys,
As per John Harmon's
recommendation, I have been using a UNI filter UP-6300 ast motorcycle
filter.- Not only do I not like the looks of the thing but it lays on
the inside of the cowl and has to deform a bit to do that, it also is
wearing where the cuff slides over the Y-valve.- I am using John's
intake Y valve and the angle of the filter side may not be quite
right.- Has anyone had this problem and or have a solution?-
Perhaps going to a K&N filter will do it, any model numbers would help
my search for a solution.
Thanks,
Jim
Stone - - -Checked by AVG.
Checked by AVG.
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| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfilter problem |
Thanks Smokey,
Please don't pull that cowl for me. I await your confirmation. BTW,
send me a pic of yours so I can put a name to a Rocket.
Jim Stone
PS Attached is a pic of my ride
----- Original Message -----
From: Smoky Ray
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Jim,
I am 99% sure this is the one. I will pull my cowling and
confirm it next week, hope it helps.
Smokey
HR2
http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=RF-1039
--- On Tue, 10/7/08, Smoky Ray wrote:
From: Smoky Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 5:09 PM
Do my best sir...
Smokey
--- On Tue, 10/7/08, Jim Stone
wrote:
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 1:12 AM
Smokey,
If you happen to have that K&N model number, you might
save me from ordering the wrong one.
Thanks,
Jim
HR2
----- Original Message -----
From: Smoky Ray
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Jim,
I'm using a K&N cone filter on my Harmon intake
w/bypass, 3.5 inch top. Works great with my Skytech starter and clears
the cowl with 2" to spare. Suprisingly, K&N had compettive prices...
Smokey
HR2
----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 6:42:56 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Hey Tom,
Been doing some research on filters. Your part
number was close but I came up with RB-0910 which is 5 inches high, and
an RB-0900 which is 4 inches in height. Do you think the 4 inch high
one would work better, i.e., less contact with cowl and starter?
I also found some cone shapes which are about 5
inches high but have 3 1/2 inch diameter top, perhaps that would work,
what do you think?
I wish my cowl was off so I could take some
measurements. I just put it back on Sunday after the annual inspection.
Jim Stone
Louisville KY
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Martin
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Jim
I had a similar set up on my second
Harmon. I used a conical K&N filter that had a bit of an offset in the
attach flange. Part # RB 091. It did touch the starter and I put a
big gob of RTV at the point of contact. It also tended to touch the
cowling but never seemed to cause and damage. I do not see any reason
why you could not squeeze a bit to get more clearance. It is a nice
simple system.
Tom Martin
----------------------------------------------------------
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Sent: October 2, 2008 10:39 AM
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
HR guys,
As per John Harmon's recommendation, I have been
using a UNI filter UP-6300 ast motorcycle filter. Not only do I not
like the looks of the thing but it lays on the inside of the cowl and
has to deform a bit to do that, it also is wearing where the cuff slides
over the Y-valve. I am using John's intake Y valve and the angle of the
filter side may not be quite right. Has anyone had this problem and or
have a solution? Perhaps going to a K&N filter will do it, any model
numbers would help my search for a solution.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Checked by AVG.
Checked by AVG.
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| From: | "Lee Logan" <leeloganster(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfilter problem |
Jim: Your Rocket continues to amaze... It's really beautiful!
Regards,
Lee...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfilter problem |
Thanks Lee!
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Logan
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Jim: Your Rocket continues to amaze... It's really beautiful!
Regards,
Lee...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfilter problem |
Hey Smokey,
Did you happen to pull your cowl and check which filter you have?
Thanks,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Smoky Ray
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Jim,
I am 99% sure this is the one. I will pull my cowling and
confirm it next week, hope it helps.
Smokey
HR2
http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=RF-1039
--- On Tue, 10/7/08, Smoky Ray wrote:
From: Smoky Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 5:09 PM
Do my best sir...
Smokey
--- On Tue, 10/7/08, Jim Stone
wrote:
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 1:12 AM
Smokey,
If you happen to have that K&N model number, you might
save me from ordering the wrong one.
Thanks,
Jim
HR2
----- Original Message -----
From: Smoky Ray
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Jim,
I'm using a K&N cone filter on my Harmon intake
w/bypass, 3.5 inch top. Works great with my Skytech starter and clears
the cowl with 2" to spare. Suprisingly, K&N had compettive prices...
Smokey
HR2
----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 6:42:56 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Hey Tom,
Been doing some research on filters. Your part
number was close but I came up with RB-0910 which is 5 inches high, and
an RB-0900 which is 4 inches in height. Do you think the 4 inch high
one would work better, i.e., less contact with cowl and starter?
I also found some cone shapes which are about 5
inches high but have 3 1/2 inch diameter top, perhaps that would work,
what do you think?
I wish my cowl was off so I could take some
measurements. I just put it back on Sunday after the annual inspection.
Jim Stone
Louisville KY
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Martin
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Jim
I had a similar set up on my second
Harmon. I used a conical K&N filter that had a bit of an offset in the
attach flange. Part # RB 091. It did touch the starter and I put a
big gob of RTV at the point of contact. It also tended to touch the
cowling but never seemed to cause and damage. I do not see any reason
why you could not squeeze a bit to get more clearance. It is a nice
simple system.
Tom Martin
----------------------------------------------------------
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Sent: October 2, 2008 10:39 AM
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
HR guys,
As per John Harmon's recommendation, I have been
using a UNI filter UP-6300 ast motorcycle filter. Not only do I not
like the looks of the thing but it lays on the inside of the cowl and
has to deform a bit to do that, it also is wearing where the cuff slides
over the Y-valve. I am using John's intake Y valve and the angle of the
filter side may not be quite right. Has anyone had this problem and or
have a solution? Perhaps going to a K&N filter will do it, any model
numbers would help my search for a solution.
Thanks,
Jim Stone
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfilter problem |
Hi Jim,
Not yet, but I will next week. Are you using the Harmon air intake system?
Smokey
--- On Tue, 10/14/08, Jim Stone wrote:
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 7:11 PM
Hey Smokey,
Did you happen to pull your cowl and check which
filter you have?
Thanks,
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From:
Smoky
Ray
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:25
PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter
problem
Jim,
- I am 99% sure this is the one. I will
pull my cowling and confirm it next week, hope it
helps.
Smokey
HR2
http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=RF-1039
---
On Tue, 10/7/08, Smoky Ray
wrote:
From:
Smoky Ray
Subject:
Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Date:
Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 5:09 PM
Do my best sir...
Smokey
--- On Tue,
10/7/08, Jim Stone
wrote:
From:
Jim Stone
Subject: Re:
Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008,
1:12 AM
#yiv138147553 #yiv68663337 #yiv1338319602 DIV {
MARGIN:0px;}
Smokey,
If you happen to have that
K&N model number, you might save me from ordering the
wrong one.
Thanks,
Jim
HR2
-----
Original Message -----
From:
Smoky Ray
To:
rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent:
Monday, October 06, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject:
Re: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Jim,
-
- I'm using a K&N cone filter on my Harmon
intake w/bypass, 3.5 inch top. Works great with my Skyt
ech
starter and clears the cowl with 2" to spare. Suprising
ly,
K&N had compettive prices...
-
Smokey
HR2
-----
Original Message ----
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Sent: Monday,
October 6, 2008 6:42:56 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List:
Airfilter problem
Hey Tom,
Been doing some research on
filters.- Your part number was close but I came up wi
th
RB-0910 which is 5 inches high, and an RB-0900 which is
4
inches in height.- Do you think the 4 inch high one
would work better, i.e., less contact with cowl and
starter?
I also found some cone shapes
which are about 5 inches high but have 3 1/2 inch diame
ter
top, perhaps that would work, what do you
think?
I wish my cowl was off so I
could take some measurements.- I just put it back on
Sunday after the annual inspection.
Jim Stone
Louisville KY
-----
Original Message -----
From:
Tom Martin
To:
rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent:
Thursday, October 02, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject:
RE: Rocket-List: Airfilter problem
Jim
-----------
I had a similar set up on my second Harmon. -I used
a
conical K&N filter that had a bit of an offset in the
attach flange. -Part # RB 091.-- It did
touch the starter and I put a big gob of RTV at the p
oint
of contact. -It also tended to touch the cowling bu
t
never seemed to cause and damage. -I do not see any
reason why you could not squeeze a bit to get more
clearance.- It is a nice simple
system.
-
Tom
Martin
-
From:
owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Be
half Of Jim
Stone
Sent: October 2, 2008
10:39 AM
rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Rocket-List:
Airfilter problem
-
HR
guys,
As per John
Harmon's recommendation, I have been using a UNI filt
er
UP-6300 ast motorcycle filter.- Not only do I not
like the looks of the thing but it lays on the inside
of
the cowl and has to deform a bit to do that, it also
is
wearing where the cuff slides over the Y-valve.- I
am
using John's intake Y valve and the angle of the filt
er
side may not be quite right.- Has anyone had this
problem and or have a solution?- Perhaps going to a
K&N filter will do it, any model numbers would help m
y
search for a solution.
Thanks,
Jim
Stone - - -Checked by AVG.
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| From: | Wernerworld <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Airfilter problem |
If I start my annual this weekend, I'll have mine off also and can give
you a K&N part number.
Russ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rocketman <bluebird270(at)dslextreme.com> |
| Subject: | John & Harry BBQ F70 |
TRI Tip BBQ NOV 1st saturday 12:00 noon 8-)
hanger B16 & B17 french valley airport F70
More details to follow
let me know if you are interested in coming for a head (meat) count
I know it would be a long way for some of you but you could overnite
in the Paine Hostel if needed
Harry 760-310-3148
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Wernerworld <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John & Harry BBQ F70 |
Weather permitting, I'm going to try Harry.
Russ Werner
rocketman wrote:
>
>
> TRI Tip BBQ NOV 1st saturday 12:00 noon 8-)
> hanger B16 & B17 french valley airport F70
>
> More details to follow
>
> let me know if you are interested in coming for a head (meat) count
> I know it would be a long way for some of you but you could overnite
> in the Paine Hostel if needed
>
> Harry 760-310-3148
> *
>
>
> *
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John & Harry BBQ F70 |
Hey Harry,
That's 1548 miles from Louisville, could you pick an airport a bit closer?
Jim Stone
Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: John & Harry BBQ F70
>
> Weather permitting, I'm going to try Harry.
>
> Russ Werner
>
>
>
> rocketman wrote:
>>
>>
>> TRI Tip BBQ NOV 1st saturday 12:00 noon 8-)
>> hanger B16 & B17 french valley airport F70
>>
>> More details to follow
>>
>> let me know if you are interested in coming for a head (meat) count
>> I know it would be a long way for some of you but you could overnite
>> in the Paine Hostel if needed
>>
>> Harry 760-310-3148
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: John & Harry BBQ F70 |
When you fly a Rocket distance don't matter.
John Harmon
D &J Harmon Co., Inc
2201 Coy Avenue
Bakersfield, CA 93307
661-396-3570
661-396-3574 FAX
www.harmonso2generators.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | John & Harry BBQ F70 |
| From: | "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com> |
...and it's about 8000 miles from Queenstown, New Zealand. Guess I could
put in a WAY big ferry tank :) ....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stone
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: John & Harry BBQ F70
Hey Harry,
That's 1548 miles from Louisville, could you pick an airport a bit
closer?
Jim Stone
Louisville
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: John & Harry BBQ F70
>
> Weather permitting, I'm going to try Harry.
>
> Russ Werner
>
>
>
> rocketman wrote:
>>
>>
>> TRI Tip BBQ NOV 1st saturday 12:00 noon 8-)
>> hanger B16 & B17 french valley airport F70
>>
>> More details to follow
>>
>> let me know if you are interested in coming for a head (meat) count
>> I know it would be a long way for some of you but you could overnite
>> in the Paine Hostel if needed
>>
>> Harry 760-310-3148
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: John & Harry BBQ F70 |
Amen brother!
--- On Sun, 10/19/08, Hr2pilot(at)aol.com wrote:
From: Hr2pilot(at)aol.com <Hr2pilot(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: John & Harry BBQ F70
Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 10:29 AM
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| Subject: | Engine Mount and gear |
| From: | "Rainair" <RaReubelt(at)aol.com> |
Good day,
i started to build my fuselage and id like Pictures who i can see how to build
this parts.
Please tell me your links, or send this by email to : RaReubelt (at) aol.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9692#209692
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| From: | Scot Stambaugh <f1rocket(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Annual Inspection checklist |
Hey guys,
-
I am preparing to perform my fourth annual inspection and thought I would j
ust check with the list to see if anybody has an annual inspection list tha
t you feel is conplete and takes into account the noteworthy weak spots of
our fantastic aircraft.- I would like to update my inspection list and do
the best job I can on the upcoming annual.
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thanks,
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| Subject: | BrightLine Bags Pilot Flight Bag |
| From: | "BrightLine" <info(at)brightlinebags.com> |
Hello Everyone,
First of all, I love this airplane. I hope to own one some day. I saw a Rocket for sale in Oshkosh that took my breath away. My name is Bryan Smith and I am with a company called BrightLine Bags. I do not want to offend anybody by posting on this list, so I apologize in advance if I have. I am a student pilot as well. I posted on the Commander list with the help of a Commander owner and received wonderful response from quite a few Commander owners. We make a brand new type of Pilot Flight Bag. It is like nothing you have seen or used before. If you use a flight bag, I am quite certain that if you go to our website at www.brightlinebags.com and click on the demo video http://brightlinebags.ipower.com/videopage.html, you will be impressed. Thank you everyone for this forum. If you have any questions, you can contact me directly at bryan@brightlinebags.com. Thanks again and I hope to hear from you.
Bryan
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | BrightLine Bags Pilot Flight Bag |
Good to see you on the rocket list, Bryan. I saw your bags on the Commander
list as I am a Commander pilot and ex-owner but also fascinated by the
rockets. Yup, your bags are something really well thought out and an asset
to any cockpit. I didn't buy a bag but I'll certainly look at that when I
get back into the left seat.
Nico
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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:38 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: BrightLine Bags Pilot Flight Bag
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Hello Everyone,
First of all, I love this airplane. I hope to own one some day. I saw a
Rocket for sale in Oshkosh that took my breath away. My name is Bryan Smith
and I am with a company called BrightLine Bags. I do not want to offend
anybody by posting on this list, so I apologize in advance if I have. I am
a student pilot as well. I posted on the Commander list with the help of a
Commander owner and received wonderful response from quite a few Commander
owners. We make a brand new type of Pilot Flight Bag. It is like nothing
you have seen or used before. If you use a flight bag, I am quite certain
that if you go to our website at www.brightlinebags.com and click on the
demo video http://brightlinebags.ipower.com/videopage.html, you will be
impressed. Thank you everyone for this forum. If you have any questions,
you can contact me directly at bryan(at)brightlinebags.com. Thanks again and I
hope to hear from you.
Bryan
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210618#210618
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| From: | Im7shannon(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re-clocking the prop |
Back in April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about reclocking the
2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to reduce vibration. Now that my plane has 60
hours on it and I have fixed all the little first few flights squaks, I am now
focusing on the vibration issue. I did not notice it much in the first few
hours because I kept the RPMs up around 2350 but the more I play around with low
power/RPM settings the more I feel it.
So I am wondering if anyone else has tried this since Michael showed us it
worked, and Michael if you are reading this, I tried the link to your webpage
from the 4/07 posting and it did not work, do you have a new web address?
Kevin Shannon
HR !!
N450KS
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| From: | Wernerworld <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Dynon AOA Probe and Static Port Locations |
I'm toying with upgrading my pitot tube to a Dynon with AOA. Anyone
using one of these in their Rocket? How accurate is it and does it help
fly short field operations?
As my static port is currently in my probe, I need to find a new, easy
to install, location for my static ports. Anyone have a good forward
fuselage location that works accurately?
Russ Werner
www.wernerworld.com/rocket
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| From: | mike papenthien <capmrp(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/11/08 |
About a year ago, I read that article and then spoke with Les Doudt at
Hartzell, the same guy referenced in the article.
He advised me that as of this past Spring, Hartzell was to have a new
hub that would be modified to allow clocking the prop in the same
manner.
I was all set with a machinist to modify mine but decided to hold off
'til the new prop came out however, I haven't heard if that happened
yet or not. Anyone else?
R/
Mike
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> From: Im7shannon(at)aol.com
> Subject: Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
>
> Back in April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about
> reclocking the
> 2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to reduce vibration. Now that my plane
> has 60
> hours on it and I have fixed all the little first few flights
> squaks, I am now
>
> focusing on the vibration issue. I did not notice it much in the
> first few
> hours because I kept the RPMs up around 2350 but the more I play
> around with low
>
> power/RPM settings the more I feel it.
> So I am wondering if anyone else has tried this since Michael showed
> us it
> worked, and Michael if you are reading this, I tried the link to
> your webpage
>
> from the 4/07 posting and it did not work, do you have a new web
> address?
>
> Kevin Shannon
> HR !!
> N450KS
>
> **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and
> all other
> Holiday needs. Search Now.
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| Subject: | Re: Re-clocking the prop |
| From: | Michael W Stewart <mike.stewart(at)us.ibm.com> |
Hey Kevin,
Yes Im listening.
Been moving servers at the house to a new location today. It was down t
his
morning.
Its up but a bit slow this morning due to other issues Im working.
SHould be up mostly today, then back up to complete snufff tomorrow.
Prop clocking and all the vib data here.
http://mstewart.net/super8/index.htm
Hollor if you have any questions.
I have done more prop testing in the past 2 years than I care to admit:
)
Super 8 is going strong. Over 800 hours on her now. If I just had a few
more knots:)
See ya
Mike
Im7shannon(at)aol.co
m
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owner-rocket-list rocket-list(at)matronics.com
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Subj
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Rocket-List: Re-clocking the pro
p
11/11/2008 06:53
PM
Please respond to
rocket-list@matro
nics.com
Back in April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about reclocking
the
2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to reduce vibration. Now that my plane has
60
hours on it and I have fixed all the little first few flights squaks, I
am
now focusing on the vibration issue. I did not notice it much in the fi
rst
few hours because I kept the RPMs up around 2350 but the more I play ar
ound
with low power/RPM settings the more I feel it.
So I am wondering if anyone else has tried this since Michael showed us
it
worked, and Michael if you are reading this, I tried the link to your
webpage from the 4/07 posting and it did not work, do you have a new we
b
address?
Kevin Shannon
HR !!
N450KS
AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday
needs. Search Now.
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| From: | Tom Martin <fairlea(at)amtelecom.net> |
| Subject: | Re-clocking the prop |
I purchased the new Hartzell two blade BA. It does not need any special
clocking and it is as smooth as the three blade MT that it replaced. I had
it dynamically balanced at the Hartzell shop when I picked it up. It is an
80 inch prop, looks good and is quite a bit faster, at full power, than the
MT.
Tom Martin
_____
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael W
Stewart
Sent: November 12, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
Hey Kevin,
Yes Im listening.
Been moving servers at the house to a new location today. It was down this
morning.
Its up but a bit slow this morning due to other issues Im working.
SHould be up mostly today, then back up to complete snufff tomorrow.
Prop clocking and all the vib data here.
HYPERLINK
"http://mstewart.net/super8/index.htm"http://mstewart.net/super8/index.htm
Hollor if you have any questions.
I have done more prop testing in the past 2 years than I care to admit:)
Super 8 is going strong. Over 800 hours on her now. If I just had a few more
knots:)
See ya
Mike
Inactive hide details for Im7shannon---11/11/2008 07:03:20 PM---Back in
April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about
reIm7shannon---11/11/2008 07:03:20 PM---Back in April 07 Michael Stewart
posted some good info about reclocking the 2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to
reduce vibration. N
Im7shannon(at)aol.com
Sent by: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
11/11/2008 06:53 PM
Please respond to
rocket-list(at)matronics.com
To
rocket-list(at)matronics.com
cc
Subject
Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
Back in April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about reclocking the
2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to reduce vibration. Now that my plane has 60
hours on it and I have fixed all the little first few flights squaks, I am
now focusing on the vibration issue. I did not notice it much in the first
few hours because I kept the RPMs up around 2350 but the more I play around
with low power/RPM settings the more I feel it.
So I am wondering if anyone else has tried this since Michael showed us it
worked, and Michael if you are reading this, I tried the link to your
webpage from the 4/07 posting and it did not work, do you have a new web
address?
Kevin Shannon
HR !!
N450KS
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| From: | "James Baldwin" <jamesbaldwin(at)dc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re-clocking the prop |
Hi Tom,
What does the Hartzell two blade weigh? Thanks. JBB
_____
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martin
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
I purchased the new Hartzell two blade BA. It does not need any special
clocking and it is as smooth as the three blade MT that it replaced. I had
it dynamically balanced at the Hartzell shop when I picked it up. It is an
80 inch prop, looks good and is quite a bit faster, at full power, than the
MT.
Tom Martin
_____
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael W
Stewart
Sent: November 12, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
Hey Kevin,
Yes Im listening.
Been moving servers at the house to a new location today. It was down this
morning.
Its up but a bit slow this morning due to other issues Im working.
SHould be up mostly today, then back up to complete snufff tomorrow.
Prop clocking and all the vib data here.
http://mstewart.net/super8/index.htm
Hollor if you have any questions.
I have done more prop testing in the past 2 years than I care to admit:)
Super 8 is going strong. Over 800 hours on her now. If I just had a few more
knots:)
See ya
Mike
Inactive hide details for Im7shannon---11/11/2008 07:03:20 PM---Back in
April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about
reIm7shannon---11/11/2008 07:03:20 PM---Back in April 07 Michael Stewart
posted some good info about reclocking the 2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to
reduce vibration. N
Im7shannon(at)aol.com
Sent by: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
11/11/2008 06:53 PM
Please respond to
rocket-list(at)matronics.com
To
rocket-list(at)matronics.com
cc
Subject
Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
Back in April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about reclocking the
2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to reduce vibration. Now that my plane has 60
hours on it and I have fixed all the little first few flights squaks, I am
now focusing on the vibration issue. I did not notice it much in the first
few hours because I kept the RPMs up around 2350 but the more I play around
with low power/RPM settings the more I feel it.
So I am wondering if anyone else has tried this since Michael showed us it
worked, and Michael if you are reading this, I tried the link to your
webpage from the 4/07 posting and it did not work, do you have a new web
address?
Kevin Shannon
HR !!
N450KS
_____
AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday
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| From: | Tom Martin <fairlea(at)amtelecom.net> |
| Subject: | Re-clocking the prop |
68 pounds, three pounds heavier than the non counterweighted prop and 6
pounds lighter than the counterweighted version. I forget the weight of the
old paddle blade but this one should be similar.
Tom Martin.
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From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Baldwin
Sent: November 12, 2008 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
Hi Tom,
What does the Hartzell two blade weigh? Thanks. JBB
_____
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martin
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
I purchased the new Hartzell two blade BA. It does not need any special
clocking and it is as smooth as the three blade MT that it replaced. I had
it dynamically balanced at the Hartzell shop when I picked it up. It is an
80 inch prop, looks good and is quite a bit faster, at full power, than the
MT.
Tom Martin
_____
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael W
Stewart
Sent: November 12, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
Hey Kevin,
Yes Im listening.
Been moving servers at the house to a new location today. It was down this
morning.
Its up but a bit slow this morning due to other issues Im working.
SHould be up mostly today, then back up to complete snufff tomorrow.
Prop clocking and all the vib data here.
HYPERLINK
"http://mstewart.net/super8/index.htm"http://mstewart.net/super8/index.htm
Hollor if you have any questions.
I have done more prop testing in the past 2 years than I care to admit:)
Super 8 is going strong. Over 800 hours on her now. If I just had a few more
knots:)
See ya
Mike
Inactive hide details for Im7shannon---11/11/2008 07:03:20 PM---Back in
April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about
reIm7shannon---11/11/2008 07:03:20 PM---Back in April 07 Michael Stewart
posted some good info about reclocking the 2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to
reduce vibration. N
Im7shannon(at)aol.com
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Subject
Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
Back in April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about reclocking the
2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to reduce vibration. Now that my plane has 60
hours on it and I have fixed all the little first few flights squaks, I am
now focusing on the vibration issue. I did not notice it much in the first
few hours because I kept the RPMs up around 2350 but the more I play around
with low power/RPM settings the more I feel it.
So I am wondering if anyone else has tried this since Michael showed us it
worked, and Michael if you are reading this, I tried the link to your
webpage from the 4/07 posting and it did not work, do you have a new web
address?
Kevin Shannon
HR !!
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re-clocking the prop |
Tom,
- Here is the data Les Doud at Hartzell- ran on the 8068D BA blades on
my HR2. I plan on buying one someday soon. Could you send me your photos to
smokyray(at)rocketmail.com?
Thanks
Smokey
HR2
Rob,
-
I ran two conditions:
-
1.- 8500 ft, 192 KTAS (195 mph indicated), 200 Hp
@ 2400 RPM
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2.- S.L., 204 KTAS (235 mph), 285 Hp @ 2700
RPM
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-
The 8068:
-
1. 88.4%, 300 lbs.
2. 88.3%, 402 lbs
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The 8068D:
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1. 88.9%, 302 lbs.
2. 89.1%, 405 lbs.
-
-
Although the-efficiency/thrust numbers-are close, the blade
loading is more optimal on the "D" twist which should have favorable
installation effects (lower drag).- To my knowledge nobody has tested an
8475J-4 or an 8475D-4 two blade back-to-back with an 8068D.- The only
testing I'm aware of is what I did with Paul Seigel on his F-1 and what Tom
Martin did, both started with an MT prop.
-
The
other (hopeful) benefit of this blade is-I-married it with the DHC-
hub indexing to lower cabin vibration levels.- Based on Paul and Tom's
feedback it appears the new prop is on par with the MT for smoothness.-
Again, only someone testing back-to-back with an HC- prop will be able to
qualify the improvement relative to what we've been selling.
-
Respectfully,
-
Les Doud
Propeller Integration
Engineer
Hartzell Propeller Inc.
Phone: 937-778-4262
Fax:
937-778-4321
--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Tom Martin wrote:
From: Tom Martin <fairlea(at)amtelecom.net>
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Re-clocking the prop
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 12:17 PM
68 pounds, three pounds heavier than the
non counterweighted prop and 6 pounds lighter than the counterweighted vers
ion.-
I forget the weight of the old paddle blade but this one should be similar.
-
Tom Martin.
-
From:
owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Baldwin
Sent: November 12, 2008 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List:
Re-clocking the prop
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Hi Tom,
What does the Hartzell
two blade weigh?-- Thanks.- JBB
-
From:
owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martin
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008
8:16 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List:
Re-clocking the prop
-
I purchased the new Hartzell two blade BA.
-It does not need any special clocking and it is as smooth as the three
blade MT that it replaced. -I had it dynamically balanced at the Hartzell
shop when I picked it up. It is an 80 inch prop, looks good and is quite a
bit
faster, at full power, than the MT.
-
Tom Martin
-
From:
owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@mat
ronics.com]
On Behalf Of Michael W Stewart
Sent: November 12, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List:
Re-clocking the prop
-
Hey Kevin,
Yes Im listening.
Been moving servers at the house to a new location today. It was down this
morning.
Its up but a bit slow this morning due to other issues Im working.
SHould be up mostly today, then back up to complete snufff tomorrow.
Prop clocking and all the vib data here.
http://mstewart.net/super8/index.htm
Hollor if you have any questions.
I have done more prop testing in the past 2 years than I care to admit:)
Super 8 is going strong. Over 800 hours on her now. If I just had a few mor
e
knots:)
See ya
Mike
Im7shannon---11/11/2008 07:03:20
PM---Back in April 07 Michael Stewart posted some good info about reclockin
g
the 2-blade Hartzell on an IO540 to reduce vibration. N
Im7shannon(at)aol.com
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rocket-list(at)matronics.com
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Subject
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Re-clocking the prop
-
Back in April 07
Michael Stewart posted some good info about reclocking the 2-blade Hartzell
on
an IO540 to reduce vibration. Now that my plane has 60 hours on it and I ha
ve
fixed all the little first few flights squaks, I am now focusing on the
vibration issue. I did not notice it much in the first few hours because I
kept
the RPMs up around 2350 but the more I play around with low power/RPM setti
ngs
the more I feel it.
So I am wondering if anyone
else has tried this since Michael showed us it worked, and Michael if you a
re
reading this, I tried the link to your webpage from the 4/07 posting and it
did
not work, do you have a new web address?
Kevin Shannon
HR !!
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| Subject: | Harmon Rocket Gear Legs & Cowling for Sale |
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| Subject: | Mk2. Flap System |
| From: | "Rainair" <RaReubelt(at)aol.com> |
Hello,
I'm searching this flap system :
http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
can everybody help me ?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
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| From: | "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mk2. Flap System |
Looks like an RV8 electric flap system
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rainair" <RaReubelt(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:50 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap System
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm searching this flap system :
>
> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
>
> can everybody help me ?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Gray" <rickgray(at)roadrunner.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mk2. Flap System |
Hi,
Good Luck finding this set up as Mark isn't making this stuff for the time
being. I have this same set up (MKII) on my flying F1 Rocket. My current F1
Rocket project has the MKI set up and I'm converting it to the MKII.....only
because I want the flap bar at the aft end of the rear seat cushion. I
purchased the 6" throw flap motor from Team Rocket and the RV8 flap torque
tube from Vans (the RV8 runs a 5" throw motor). The RV8 torque tube is close
but no cigar and will have to be cut in half and shortened by about 1.5". In
addition the motor attach will have to be relocated. Then, I'll have to make
my own 'doghouse' to cover the torque tube under the seat cushion. Probably
NOT worth the effort and the money but I already have the parts so I figure
I'll use them. Plus it messes up the left side arm rest arrangement for the
passenger.
If you want the MKI parts let me know. I have all the hardware, motor that
attaches to the floor, and the torque tube.
Good Luck,
Rick Gray in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rainair" <RaReubelt(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap System
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm searching this flap system :
>
> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
>
> can everybody help me ?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mk2. Flap System |
| From: | "Rainair" <RaReubelt(at)aol.com> |
Good Morning,
of course, can you send me picture, drawings and your price what you want to my
email adress RaReubelt at aol.com ?
Thanks,
Rainer
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216779#216779
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| Subject: | Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser! |
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| From: | "David Miller" <David.Miller(at)cmworks.com> |
I'd heard rumors that Mark Frederick was not making the F1 anymore. Does
anyone know if this is true, if so what's the story.
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
Actually, HPA (Czech Republic makers of the kits) have become too expensive
and Mark was forced to suspend production.
Smokey
HR2
--- On Mon, 12/1/08, David Miller wrote:
From: David Miller <David.Miller(at)cmworks.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: F1 rocket
Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 11:38 AM
I'd heard rumors that Mark Frederick was not making the F1 anymore.- Does
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| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
I believe he has found a production facility here in the US and is currently re-designing
the Evo wing to make it from composites.
I suspect if you want a kit he can scrounge one together for you.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| From: | Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | ELECTRIC Elevator Servo Trim Motor - wire routing |
Greetings:
Does anybody have any pictures or drawings on how they ran the Electric wires from
the electric Elevator Trim Servo Motor to the fuselage ?? Looking for some
good ideas.
Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA
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| From: | "Dave Bockelman" <dvdbock(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ELECTRIC Elevator Servo Trim Motor - wire routing |
Garey
I ran them along the outside under the left canopy rail (some of my pwr
wires are on the right side)
My Rocket is at TOA if you wish to visit sometime -- am there 4-5 times a
week..
Dave Bockelman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garey Wittich" <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:51 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: ELECTRIC Elevator Servo Trim Motor - wire routing
>
>
> Greetings:
>
> Does anybody have any pictures or drawings on how they ran the Electric
> wires from the electric Elevator Trim Servo Motor to the fuselage ??
> Looking for some good ideas.
>
> Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA
>
>
>
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| From: | Joel Haynes <joelrhaynes(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Thinking about building a Rocket |
I completed an RV-7A in 2006 and am now starting to think about
building a rocket. I can't seem to find much information about F1
Rocket kit prices and availability. Anyone know what's up? I gather
that Harmon is still shipping parts for the HRII. Thanks for any
information.
Joel Haynes
RV-7A
N557XW
Bozeman, MT
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| Subject: | Re: Thinking about building a Rocket |
| From: | "swaneymj" <swaneymj(at)mac.com> |
See this link:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=39021
Also, I'm sure John Harmon has parts available. Just give him a call: (661) 836-1028
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Thanks,
Mark Swaney
F-1 Rocket #31, N76TR
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| Subject: | Re: Thinking about building a Rocket |
If you want an F1, contact me directly, I may have a situation of interest
to you.
Cal B.
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
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| Subject: | Re: Thinking about building a Rocket |
| From: | jim(at)cubcrafters.com |
I'm interested in a flying F1... EVO or Sport wing. Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: CalBru(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:11am
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: Thinking about building a Rocket
If you want an F1, contact me directly, I may have a situation of interest
to you.
Cal B.
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy
steps!
cemailfooterNO62)
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| From: | Im7shannon(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | 2 blade prop re-clocking report |
Had some recent breaks in the weather so I was able to do some flight tests.
I changed the clocking of my 2 blade Hartzell from the 1-7 position to 3-9
position using methods and materials outlined by Mike Stewart in prior
posts.My engine is a stock 250 HP IO540C4B5 with one EI and one mag.I did not
have
access to a vibration analyzer so I dont have any real scientific data to
report, but I am happy to announce that I am very pleased with the results, I
had
a very noticable harmonic that shook the whole airframe, and now most of it
is gone. It is a whole different airplane and a real joy to fly. I would say
that Mike's numbers are pretty much right on in relation to before and after
vibration amplitude.
It was not a difficult task in my opinion, I built a fixture out of 2 X 12's
to clamp the prop in the drill press, then took it to the prop shop and had
them re-install the studs with new locktite and roll pins while they checked
out the pitch angles and static balance. I would recommend
this mod to anybody having similar vibration problems.
Kevin Shannon
"Blue Rocket"
HR !! N450KS
76 hours TT
**************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay
up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)
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| Subject: | A cry for help from NZ! |
| From: | "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com> |
Guys, a wee problem - my damn tailwheel snapped off. The (I don't know
the word, but the long bar that goes back the tailwheel assmembly)
snapped clean off, flush with the tailwheel assembly. As I'm not the
builder (I know, I know) I don't know if that is a standard RV-4 item,
or one of the things switched out when the RV-4 is transmogrified into a
Rocket. Cos of what seems like a lot more weight than my RV-4 ever had.
Mine is a well built HRII, not an F1. Anyone know where I can get one of
those bars asap? I got a ROG situation, which is even worse than an AOG
situation :) Seriously, I'd like to find that item, and get one sent
down to NZ as soon as possible, cos the aircraft is stuck 400 miles from
my home field till I can sort it out.
Also, a heads-up - something to be aware of, and inspect more
thoroughly, I guess. To be fair, I hit a rabbit hole and the tail came
up very high before bashing down hard, stick back....but I wasn't much
more than walking pace, maybe running pace, so no other damage done. But
mebbe worth inspecting more thoroughly at annual time, if you fly off
short grass strips with occasional rabbit holes in em!
Cheers
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rainair
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap System
Hello,
I'm searching this flap system :
http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
can everybody help me ?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
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| Subject: | Re: A cry for help from NZ! |
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
Look Here
http://www.decisionlabs.com/QuickPlace/wayne/Main.nsf/h_Toc/3F6DF4BE0484540D85257291005B7BAE/?OpenDocument
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229318#229318
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| From: | Wernerworld <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
Andrew,
That is a standard Vans tailwheel spring. Fastest way to get one is to
find a builder who won't need his for a while. Snag that and get Van's
to send him a new one. Same one is on the RV3 thru RV7.
When you get the new one, you will have to drill it to the hole that
retains it in the sleeve which is up inside your tailcone. You must do
that without making the hole in either piece oversize. Best thing here
is to put in a taper pin, rather than the an3 bolt in the Vans
plans. That will require a taper reamer. That could also be done
later, after you get the bird home.
Good luck!
Russ Werner
Park City, Utah
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| From: | "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A cry for help from NZ! |
Andrew, Van makes 2 different tail springs that will fit your Rocket, a bent
one (standard) and one for an after market tail wheel (better).
----- Original Message -----
From: "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
> Guys, a wee problem - my damn tailwheel snapped off. The (I don't know
> the word, but the long bar that goes back the tailwheel assmembly)
> snapped clean off, flush with the tailwheel assembly. As I'm not the
> builder (I know, I know) I don't know if that is a standard RV-4 item,
> or one of the things switched out when the RV-4 is transmogrified into a
> Rocket. Cos of what seems like a lot more weight than my RV-4 ever had.
> Mine is a well built HRII, not an F1. Anyone know where I can get one of
> those bars asap? I got a ROG situation, which is even worse than an AOG
> situation :) Seriously, I'd like to find that item, and get one sent
> down to NZ as soon as possible, cos the aircraft is stuck 400 miles from
> my home field till I can sort it out.
>
> Also, a heads-up - something to be aware of, and inspect more
> thoroughly, I guess. To be fair, I hit a rabbit hole and the tail came
> up very high before bashing down hard, stick back....but I wasn't much
> more than walking pace, maybe running pace, so no other damage done. But
> mebbe worth inspecting more thoroughly at annual time, if you fly off
> short grass strips with occasional rabbit holes in em!
>
> Cheers
>
> Andrew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rainair
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:01 AM
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap System
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm searching this flap system :
>
> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
>
> can everybody help me ?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
>
>
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| From: | "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A cry for help from NZ! |
Hey Fred, Please elaborate on the bent tail wheel spring from Vans. I've
installed maybe a dozen springs and they were all straight. Where is the
bend and why? Thanks, Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
> Andrew, Van makes 2 different tail springs that will fit your Rocket, a
> bent one (standard) and one for an after market tail wheel (better).
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58 AM
> Subject: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
>>
>>
>> Guys, a wee problem - my damn tailwheel snapped off. The (I don't know
>> the word, but the long bar that goes back the tailwheel assmembly)
>> snapped clean off, flush with the tailwheel assembly. As I'm not the
>> builder (I know, I know) I don't know if that is a standard RV-4 item,
>> or one of the things switched out when the RV-4 is transmogrified into a
>> Rocket. Cos of what seems like a lot more weight than my RV-4 ever had.
>> Mine is a well built HRII, not an F1. Anyone know where I can get one of
>> those bars asap? I got a ROG situation, which is even worse than an AOG
>> situation :) Seriously, I'd like to find that item, and get one sent
>> down to NZ as soon as possible, cos the aircraft is stuck 400 miles from
>> my home field till I can sort it out.
>>
>> Also, a heads-up - something to be aware of, and inspect more
>> thoroughly, I guess. To be fair, I hit a rabbit hole and the tail came
>> up very high before bashing down hard, stick back....but I wasn't much
>> more than walking pace, maybe running pace, so no other damage done. But
>> mebbe worth inspecting more thoroughly at annual time, if you fly off
>> short grass strips with occasional rabbit holes in em!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rainair
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:01 AM
>> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap System
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm searching this flap system :
>>
>> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
>>
>> can everybody help me ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| From: | "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A cry for help from NZ! |
Its the one they normally supplied, the tail wheel fork pivots on the
section that is bent down. Maybe they dont use them any more.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
> Hey Fred, Please elaborate on the bent tail wheel spring from Vans. I've
> installed maybe a dozen springs and they were all straight. Where is the
> bend and why? Thanks, Larry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
>>
>>
>> Andrew, Van makes 2 different tail springs that will fit your Rocket, a
>> bent one (standard) and one for an after market tail wheel (better).
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58 AM
>> Subject: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Guys, a wee problem - my damn tailwheel snapped off. The (I don't know
>>> the word, but the long bar that goes back the tailwheel assmembly)
>>> snapped clean off, flush with the tailwheel assembly. As I'm not the
>>> builder (I know, I know) I don't know if that is a standard RV-4 item,
>>> or one of the things switched out when the RV-4 is transmogrified into a
>>> Rocket. Cos of what seems like a lot more weight than my RV-4 ever had.
>>> Mine is a well built HRII, not an F1. Anyone know where I can get one of
>>> those bars asap? I got a ROG situation, which is even worse than an AOG
>>> situation :) Seriously, I'd like to find that item, and get one sent
>>> down to NZ as soon as possible, cos the aircraft is stuck 400 miles from
>>> my home field till I can sort it out.
>>>
>>> Also, a heads-up - something to be aware of, and inspect more
>>> thoroughly, I guess. To be fair, I hit a rabbit hole and the tail came
>>> up very high before bashing down hard, stick back....but I wasn't much
>>> more than walking pace, maybe running pace, so no other damage done. But
>>> mebbe worth inspecting more thoroughly at annual time, if you fly off
>>> short grass strips with occasional rabbit holes in em!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rainair
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:01 AM
>>> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap System
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I'm searching this flap system :
>>>
>>> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
>>>
>>> can everybody help me ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A cry for help from NZ! |
The Stock RV4 (straight) tail spring works great when combined with the Aviation
Products Inc. dual fork tailwheel assembly. Mine works great. Vince Frazier
also has a nice tailwheel setup on his website. Check it out...
Smokey
HR2
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Larry Schneider wrote:
From: Larry Schneider <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 10:57 AM
Hey Fred, Please elaborate on the bent tail wheel spring from Vans. I've
installed maybe a dozen springs and they were all straight. Where is the
bend and why? Thanks, Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
> Andrew, Van makes 2 different tail springs that will fit your Rocket, a
> bent one (standard) and one for an after market tail wheel (better).
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58 AM
> Subject: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
>>
>>
>> Guys, a wee problem - my damn tailwheel snapped off. The (I don't
know
>> the word, but the long bar that goes back the tailwheel assmembly)
>> snapped clean off, flush with the tailwheel assembly. As I'm not
the
>> builder (I know, I know) I don't know if that is a standard RV-4
item,
>> or one of the things switched out when the RV-4 is transmogrified into
a
>> Rocket. Cos of what seems like a lot more weight than my RV-4 ever
had.
>> Mine is a well built HRII, not an F1. Anyone know where I can get one
of
>> those bars asap? I got a ROG situation, which is even worse than an
AOG
>> situation :) Seriously, I'd like to find that item, and get one
sent
>> down to NZ as soon as possible, cos the aircraft is stuck 400 miles
from
>> my home field till I can sort it out.
>>
>> Also, a heads-up - something to be aware of, and inspect more
>> thoroughly, I guess. To be fair, I hit a rabbit hole and the tail came
>> up very high before bashing down hard, stick back....but I wasn't
much
>> more than walking pace, maybe running pace, so no other damage done.
But
>> mebbe worth inspecting more thoroughly at annual time, if you fly off
>> short grass strips with occasional rabbit holes in em!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rainair
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:01 AM
>> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap System
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm searching this flap system :
>>
>> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
>>
>> can everybody help me ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A cry for help from NZ! |
Fred, You sure are dating yourself, I remember now, Thanks. :-)))
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
> Its the one they normally supplied, the tail wheel fork pivots on the
> section that is bent down. Maybe they dont use them any more.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
>>
>>
>> Hey Fred, Please elaborate on the bent tail wheel spring from Vans. I've
>> installed maybe a dozen springs and they were all straight. Where is the
>> bend and why? Thanks, Larry
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew, Van makes 2 different tail springs that will fit your Rocket, a
>>> bent one (standard) and one for an after market tail wheel (better).
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58 AM
>>> Subject: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guys, a wee problem - my damn tailwheel snapped off. The (I don't know
>>>> the word, but the long bar that goes back the tailwheel assmembly)
>>>> snapped clean off, flush with the tailwheel assembly. As I'm not the
>>>> builder (I know, I know) I don't know if that is a standard RV-4 item,
>>>> or one of the things switched out when the RV-4 is transmogrified into
>>>> a
>>>> Rocket. Cos of what seems like a lot more weight than my RV-4 ever had.
>>>> Mine is a well built HRII, not an F1. Anyone know where I can get one
>>>> of
>>>> those bars asap? I got a ROG situation, which is even worse than an AOG
>>>> situation :) Seriously, I'd like to find that item, and get one sent
>>>> down to NZ as soon as possible, cos the aircraft is stuck 400 miles
>>>> from
>>>> my home field till I can sort it out.
>>>>
>>>> Also, a heads-up - something to be aware of, and inspect more
>>>> thoroughly, I guess. To be fair, I hit a rabbit hole and the tail came
>>>> up very high before bashing down hard, stick back....but I wasn't much
>>>> more than walking pace, maybe running pace, so no other damage done.
>>>> But
>>>> mebbe worth inspecting more thoroughly at annual time, if you fly off
>>>> short grass strips with occasional rabbit holes in em!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rainair
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:01 AM
>>>> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap System
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I'm searching this flap system :
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
>>>>
>>>> can everybody help me ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
SNIP **********From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
The Stock RV4 (straight) tail spring works great when combined with the
Aviation
Products Inc. dual fork tailwheel assembly. Mine works great. Vince
Frazier
also has a nice tailwheel setup on his website. Check it out...
Smokey
HR2 SNIP***********************
Andrew,
If you have rabbit holes to watch out for, maybe you should have a look
at the monster fork that I made for Greg Illes. You can find it on the
vansairforce forums, just search on monster tailwheel. I can make one
for you if you like.
You can see all of the other tailwheel stuff that I offer at this URL
www.flyboyaccessories.com
If you've still got the stock Van's tailwheel on your plane (or on the
part that is broken off!), do yourself a huge favor and buy one of my
tailwheels. If not mine, buy one from Doug Bell. Either one will give
you much better obstacle clearance and improved handling.
I keep my stuff in stock and ready to ship. Lots of other RV stuff in
the store too.
Thx,
Vince Frazier
Flyboy Accessories
3965 Caborn Road
Mount Vernon, IN 47620
812-464-1839
www.flyboyaccessories.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry James" <larry(at)ncproto.com> |
| Subject: | A Cry For Help in NZ |
Andrew,
I have a stock, unused, undrilled RV-4 tailwheel spring that you can have.
There are two different configurations that Vans sells; both
interchangeable. This one I have is the spring steel tapered version. If
you send me where I should send it to I'll get it there ASAP. You can email
me directly at larry(at)ncproto.com or contact me at the below telephone
numbers.
Larry E. James
New Concepts, Inc.
Redmond, WA
+1-425-885-1200
+1-800-783-9782
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA
Super Decathlon
Rocket (under construction)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A cry for help from NZ! |
| From: | Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com> |
Andrew: We had the same thing happen to the tail spring on our RV-4. Flew
it home off the grass strip we were on at the time. The spring held up fine
by itself during takeoff and the subsequent landing at home field. If you
are going to be stuck for awhile, you might consider that. No harm, no
foul, when we did it. YMMV, of course!
Regards,
Lee...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A cry for help from NZ! |
Andrew,
- I too operate my Rocket off a short, rough turf strip with the occasion
al fire ant mound and gopher hole. A cub actually broke a tailspring here,
not an easy task. I too replaced my original tail spring installed by the b
uilder in 96', fortunately before it snapped off from an elongated hole and
crack.- I turned my new tail spring end on a lathe slightly prior to ins
talling the assembly to remove the taper where the assembly slides on. I al
so drilled two small holes rather than one large one through the spring to
hold the assembly on. If your prior owner drilled a large hole or "slammed"
the tailwheel down a few times, it might have stressed it. Either way, the
fix will exceed your expectations.
- On my strip, I rarely three point land my Rocket in lieu of wheels land
ings, although I fly a three point approach and ease it up on the mains at
touchdown. My 380X150X5 Desser tires have helped immensely along with my AP
I dual fork tailwheel. As mentioned before, Vince's heavy duty tailwheel as
sembly and the Bell work well too.
- Something else I really like for STOL operations is my Lift Reserve AOA
indicator. It lets you fly final at "max performance" safely. My normal ap
proach groundspeed is 57-59 knots, something I'm sure you can appreciate.
Fair Dinkum!
Smokey
HR2
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Larry Schneider wrote:
From: Larry Schneider <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 3:32 PM
Fred, You sure are dating yourself, I remember now, Thanks. :-)))
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
> Its the one they normally supplied, the tail wheel fork pivots on the
> section that is bent down. Maybe they dont use them any more.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
>>
>>
>> Hey Fred, Please elaborate on the bent tail wheel spring from Vans.
I've
>> installed maybe a dozen springs and they were all straight. Where is
the
>> bend and why? Thanks, Larry
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew, Van makes 2 different tail springs that will fit your
Rocket, a
>>> bent one (standard) and one for an after market tail wheel
(better).
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58 AM
>>> Subject: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>>>
>>>
Andrew"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guys, a wee problem - my damn tailwheel snapped off. The (I
don't know
>>>> the word, but the long bar that goes back the tailwheel
assmembly)
>>>> snapped clean off, flush with the tailwheel assembly. As
I'm not the
>>>> builder (I know, I know) I don't know if that is a
standard RV-4 item,
>>>> or one of the things switched out when the RV-4 is
transmogrified into
>>>> a
>>>> Rocket. Cos of what seems like a lot more weight than my RV-4
ever had.
>>>> Mine is a well built HRII, not an F1. Anyone know where I can
get one
>>>> of
>>>> those bars asap? I got a ROG situation, which is even worse
than an AOG
>>>> situation :) Seriously, I'd like to find that item, and
get one sent
>>>> down to NZ as soon as possible, cos the aircraft is stuck 400
miles
>>>> from
>>>> my home field till I can sort it out.
>>>>
>>>> Also, a heads-up - something to be aware of, and inspect more
>>>> thoroughly, I guess. To be fair, I hit a rabbit hole and the
tail came
>>>> up very high before bashing down hard, stick back....but I
wasn't much
>>>> more than walking pace, maybe running pace, so no other damage
done.
>>>> But
>>>> mebbe worth inspecting more thoroughly at annual time, if you
fly off
>>>> short grass strips with occasional rabbit holes in em!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Rainair
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:01 AM
>>>> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap System
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I'm searching this flap system :
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
>>>>
>>>> can everybody help me ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>> 17:57:00
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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-----
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 17:57:00
>
>
>
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Bolding" <jnbolding1(at)teleshare.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A cry for help from NZ! |
Rob ,and the Group.
Several months ago I had a couple hundred of the LRI probes molded up
out of black nylon, I sell these for $45, shipping included. Also have
the gauges for $25 but no faces yet, anyone interested can contact me
off list.
John Bolding jnbolding1(at)teleshare.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Ray
Something else I really like for STOL operations is my Lift
Reserve AOA indicator. It lets you fly final at "max performance"
safely. My normal approach groundspeed is 57-59 knots, something I'm
sure you can appreciate.
Fair Dinkum!
Smokey
HR2
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A cry for help from NZ! |
Could I trade my current probe?
--- On Mon, 2/16/09, John Bolding wrote:
> From: John Bolding <jnbolding1(at)teleshare.net>
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 10:12 AM
> Rob ,and the Group.
> Several months ago I had a couple hundred of the LRI probes
> molded up out of black nylon, I sell these for $45,
> shipping included. Also have the gauges for $25 but no
> faces yet, anyone interested can contact me off list.
> John Bolding jnbolding1(at)teleshare.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rob Ray
>
>
>
>
> Something else I really like for STOL operations
> is my Lift Reserve AOA indicator. It lets you fly final at
> "max performance" safely. My normal approach
> groundspeed is 57-59 knots, something I'm sure you can
> appreciate.
>
> Fair Dinkum!
> Smokey
> HR2
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | A cry for help from NZ! |
| From: | "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com> |
Hi Smokey! Thanks for the email, and sorry about the delay in
responding. I'm finally clearing the backlog of helpful emails I
received on the subject of my poor ole AOG Rocket, which is still AOG
due to a few logistical issues. I have been travelling out of the
country, but while I was away, a VERY kind reader on the list sent me
down a tailwheel spring that he had lying around, unused. All the way to
New Zealand - it was in NZ before I was! He wouldn't even take money.
Aren't some people nice? (I'm gonna insist on the money, of course.) So
I'll be trying to get my Rocket back in the air on Monday.
I'm going to fit a standard RV-4 setup to get me going, but I really
like the idea of the dual fork tailwheel, and any other ruggedizing
measures I can undertake. As for the AOA indicator, that sounds GREAT.
This is one of those, um, sense over ego issues, and I think, as ever,
sense should win here. The neighbours round here are insane, so I
sometimes have to land downwind for noise abatement. Needless to say I
fly slow, power-on approaches, and usually do a tail low wheeler, with
some pretty aggressive braking, cos I find the ole Rocket doesn't brake
nearly as well with the tailwheel down. Seems to work. But having a more
scientific sense of my AoA, in addition to the ususal cues, can only be
a good thing. I'll get one, for sure. Is it a biggie to fit?
And, last dumb question, I've broken my landing gear/engine mount three
times now, albeit in 600 hours. (Did I mention my strip exactly flat? It
makes judging the touchdown a little tricky, or maybe I just didn't pay
enough attention at pilot school :) We keep welding it up, and it keeps
breaking. I'm sure Mr RV wouldn't be too happy to see what has become of
his original creation, but the fact is, the HRII makes a damn fine bush
aircraft. So long as you don't mind welding! Have you ever heard of a
stronger engine mount available anywhere???
Andrew
________________________________
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ray
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
Andrew,
I too operate my Rocket off a short, rough turf strip with the
occasional fire ant mound and gopher hole. A cub actually broke a
tailspring here, not an easy task. I too replaced my original tail
spring installed by the builder in 96', fortunately before it snapped
off from an elongated hole and crack. I turned my new tail spring end
on a lathe slightly prior to installing the assembly to remove the taper
where the assembly slides on. I also drilled two small holes rather than
one large one through the spring to hold the assembly on. If your prior
owner drilled a large hole or "slammed" the tailwheel down a few times,
it might have stressed it. Either way, the fix will exceed your
expectations.
On my strip, I rarely three point land my Rocket in lieu of wheels
landings, although I fly a three point approach and ease it up on the
mains at touchdown. My 380X150X5 Desser tires have helped immensely
along with my API dual fork tailwheel. As mentioned before, Vince's
heavy duty tailwheel assembly and the Bell work well too.
Something else I really like for STOL operations is my Lift Reserve
AOA indicator. It lets you fly final at "max performance" safely. My
normal approach groundspeed is 57-59 knots, something I'm sure you can
appreciate.
Fair Dinkum!
Smokey
HR2
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Larry Schneider wrote:
From: Larry Schneider <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 3:32 PM
Fred,
You sure are dating yourself, I remember now, Thanks. :-)))
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
To:
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
> Its the one they normally supplied, the tail wheel fork pivots
on the
> section that is bent down. Maybe they dont use them any more.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
>>
>>
>> Hey Fred,
Please elaborate on the bent tail wheel spring from Vans.
I've
>> installed maybe a dozen springs and they were all straight.
Where is
the
>> bend and why? Thanks, Larry
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew, Van makes 2 different tail springs that will fit
your
Rocket, a
>>> bent one (standard) and one for an after market tail wheel
(better).
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58 AM
>>> Subject: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>>>
>>>
Andrew"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guys, a wee problem - my damn tailwheel snapped off. The (I
don't know
>>>> the word, but the long bar that goes back the tailwheel
assmembly)
>>>> snapped clean off, flush with the tailwheel assembly. As
I'm not the
>>>> builder (I know, I know) I don't know if that is a
standard RV-4 item,
>>>> or one of the things switched out when the RV-4 is
transmogrified into
>>>> a
>>>> Rocket. Cos of what seems like a lot more weight than my
RV-4
ever had.
>>>> Mine is a well built HRII, not
an F1. Anyone know where I can
get one
>>>> of
>>>> those bars asap? I got a ROG situation, which is even worse
than an AOG
>>>> situation :) Seriously, I'd like to find that item, and
get one sent
>>>> down to NZ as soon as possible, cos the aircraft is stuck
400
miles
>>>> from
>>>> my home field till I can sort it out.
>>>>
>>>> Also, a heads-up - something to be aware of, and inspect
more
>>>> thoroughly, I guess. To be fair, I hit a rabbit hole and
the
tail came
>>>> up very high before bashing down hard, stick back....but I
wasn't much
>>>> more than walking pace, maybe running pace, so no other
damage
done.
>>>> But
>>>> mebbe worth inspecting more thoroughly at annual time, if
you
fly off
>>>> short grass strips
with occasional rabbit holes in em!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
Of
Rainair
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:01 AM
>>>> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap System
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I'm searching this flap system :
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
>>>>
>>>> can everybody help me
?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>
17:57:00
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--------
>
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 17:57:00
>
=======
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A cry for help from NZ! |
You would be well advised to get a Tailwheel assembly from Vince
Frazier. Once that's in place, you might start thinking about some might
fine Gussets on your Engine Mount. Stop the cracks before they appear.
Weav
ACTIVE NZ - Andrew wrote:
> Hi Smokey! Thanks for the email, and sorry about the delay in
> responding. I'm finally clearing the backlog of helpful emails I
> received on the subject of my poor ole AOG Rocket, which is still AOG
> due to a few logistical issues. I have been travelling out of the
> country, but while I was away, a VERY kind reader on the list sent me
> down a tailwheel spring that he had lying around, unused. All the way
> to New Zealand - it was in NZ before I was! He wouldn't even take
> money. Aren't some people nice? (I'm gonna insist on the money, of
> course.) So I'll be trying to get my Rocket back in the air on Monday.
>
> I'm going to fit a standard RV-4 setup to get me going, but I really
> like the idea of the dual fork tailwheel, and any other ruggedizing
> measures I can undertake. As for the AOA indicator, that sounds GREAT.
> This is one of those, um, sense over ego issues, and I think, as ever,
> sense should win here. The neighbours round here are insane, so I
> sometimes have to land downwind for noise abatement. Needless to say I
> fly slow, power-on approaches, and usually do a tail low wheeler, with
> some pretty aggressive braking, cos I find the ole Rocket doesn't
> brake nearly as well with the tailwheel down. Seems to work. But
> having a more scientific sense of my AoA, in addition to the ususal
> cues, can only be a good thing. I'll get one, for sure. Is it a biggie
> to fit?
>
> And, last dumb question, I've broken my landing gear/engine mount
> three times now, albeit in 600 hours. (Did I mention my strip exactly
> flat? It makes judging the touchdown a little tricky, or maybe I just
> didn't pay enough attention at pilot school :) We keep welding it up,
> and it keeps breaking. I'm sure Mr RV wouldn't be too happy to see
> what has become of his original creation, but the fact is, the HRII
> makes a damn fine bush aircraft. So long as you don't mind welding!
> Have you ever heard of a stronger engine mount available anywhere???
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Ray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:46 AM
> *To:* rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
> Andrew,
>
> I too operate my Rocket off a short, rough turf strip with the
> occasional fire ant mound and gopher hole. A cub actually broke a
> tailspring here, not an easy task. I too replaced my original tail
> spring installed by the builder in 96', fortunately before it snapped
> off from an elongated hole and crack. I turned my new tail spring end
> on a lathe slightly prior to installing the assembly to remove the
> taper where the assembly slides on. I also drilled two small holes
> rather than one large one through the spring to hold the assembly on.
> If your prior owner drilled a large hole or "slammed" the tailwheel
> down a few times, it might have stressed it. Either way, the fix will
> exceed your expectations.
> On my strip, I rarely three point land my Rocket in lieu of wheels
> landings, although I fly a three point approach and ease it up on the
> mains at touchdown. My 380X150X5 Desser tires have helped immensely
> along with my API dual fork tailwheel. As mentioned before, Vince's
> heavy duty tailwheel assembly and the Bell work well too.
>
> Something else I really like for STOL operations is my Lift Reserve
> AOA indicator. It lets you fly final at "max performance" safely. My
> normal approach groundspeed is 57-59 knots, something I'm sure you can
> appreciate.
>
> Fair Dinkum!
> Smokey
> HR2
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 2/9/09, Larry Schneider //* wrote:
>
> From: Larry Schneider <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 3:32 PM
>
>
>
> Fred,
> You sure are dating yourself, I remember now, Thanks. :-)))
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
> >
> >
> > Its the one they normally supplied, the tail wheel fork pivots on the
> > section that is bent down. Maybe they dont use them any more.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey Fred,
> Please elaborate on the bent tail wheel spring from Vans.
> I've
> >> installed maybe a dozen springs and they were all straight. Where is
> the
> >> bend and why? Thanks, Larry
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:48 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Andrew, Van makes 2 different tail springs that will fit your
> Rocket, a
> >>> bent one (standard) and one for an after market tail wheel
> (better).
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
> >>> To:
>
> >>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58 AM
> >>> Subject: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
> >>>
> >>>
> Andrew"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Guys, a wee problem - my damn tailwheel snapped off. The (I
> don't know
> >>>> the word, but the long bar that goes back the tailwheel
> assmembly)
> >>>> snapped clean off, flush with the tailwheel assembly. As
> I'm not the
> >>>> builder (I know, I know) I don't know if that is a
> standard RV-4 item,
> >>>> or one of the things switched out when the RV-4 is
> transmogrified into
> >>>> a
> >>>> Rocket. Cos of what seems like a lot more weight than my RV-4
> ever had.
> >>>> Mine is a well built HRII, not
> an F1. Anyone know where I can
> get one
> >>>> of
> >>>> those bars asap? I got a ROG situation, which is even worse
> than an AOG
> >>>> situation :) Seriously, I'd like to find that item, and
> get one sent
> >>>> down to NZ as soon as possible, cos the aircraft is stuck 400
> miles
> >>>> from
> >>>> my home field till I can sort it out.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, a heads-up - something to be aware of, and inspect more
> >>>> thoroughly, I guess. To be fair, I hit a rabbit hole and the
> tail came
> >>>> up very high before bashing down hard, stick back....but I
> wasn't much
> >>>> more than walking pace, maybe running pace, so no other damage
> done.
> >>>> But
> >>>> mebbe worth inspecting more thoroughly at annual time, if you
> fly off
> >>>> short grass strips
> with occasional rabbit holes in em!
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>>
> >>>> Andrew
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >>>> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Rainair
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:01 AM
> >>>> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> >>>> Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap System
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm searching this flap system :
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>> can everybody help me
> ?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Read this topic online here:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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| From: | rgraham(at)ozemail.com.au |
Andrew,
I've sent you pics of the mod I did on my F1 engine mount - don't know how
to send pics to the List!!
The mod was designed by Mark Frederick, and there haven't been any cracks
reported since it was issued.
I agree with Fred - I have Vince Fraziers tailwheel fork on mine, and it's
a big improvement.
Ask him about his tail-wheels and bearings, too.
Cheers,
Ron Graham (F1 #105, Sydney, Oz)
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A cry for help from NZ! |
G'day Andrew!
Glad you are using your Rocket "off road" as I do. I am running a new stndard
Harmon mount with gussets. I use a landing technique I used in my RV4, threepoint
approach to a wheels landing stance, rolling on so to speak. Smooth touchdowns
result, even with an approach speed of 65 knots, touchdown 58.As I said,
I really like the API tw, clears the rocks better than any of them. My buddy
russ has a strip north of Auckland, stop by. Let me know if I can help! Fair dinkum,
bloody oath!
Smokey
HR2
--- On Fri, 2/27/09, Fred Weaver wrote:
> From: Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: Rocket-List: Re: A cry for help from NZ!
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 12:49 PM
> You would be well advised to get a Tailwheel assembly from
> Vince Frazier. Once that's in place, you might start
> thinking about some might fine Gussets on your Engine Mount.
> Stop the cracks before they appear.
> Weav
>
> ACTIVE NZ - Andrew wrote:
> > Hi Smokey! Thanks for the email, and sorry about the
> delay in responding. I'm finally clearing the backlog of
> helpful emails I received on the subject of my poor ole AOG
> Rocket, which is still AOG due to a few logistical issues. I
> have been travelling out of the country, but while I was
> away, a VERY kind reader on the list sent me down a
> tailwheel spring that he had lying around, unused. All the
> way to New Zealand - it was in NZ before I was! He
> wouldn't even take money. Aren't some people nice?
> (I'm gonna insist on the money, of course.) So I'll
> be trying to get my Rocket back in the air on Monday.
> > I'm going to fit a standard RV-4 setup to get me
> going, but I really like the idea of the dual fork
> tailwheel, and any other ruggedizing measures I can
> undertake. As for the AOA indicator, that sounds GREAT. This
> is one of those, um, sense over ego issues, and I think, as
> ever, sense should win here. The neighbours round here are
> insane, so I sometimes have to land downwind for noise
> abatement. Needless to say I fly slow, power-on approaches,
> and usually do a tail low wheeler, with some pretty
> aggressive braking, cos I find the ole Rocket doesn't
> brake nearly as well with the tailwheel down. Seems to work.
> But having a more scientific sense of my AoA, in addition to
> the ususal cues, can only be a good thing. I'll get one,
> for sure. Is it a biggie to fit?
> > And, last dumb question, I've broken my landing
> gear/engine mount three times now, albeit in 600 hours. (Did
> I mention my strip exactly flat? It makes judging the
> touchdown a little tricky, or maybe I just didn't pay
> enough attention at pilot school :) We keep welding it up,
> and it keeps breaking. I'm sure Mr RV wouldn't be
> too happy to see what has become of his original creation,
> but the fact is, the HRII makes a damn fine bush aircraft.
> So long as you don't mind welding! Have you ever heard
> of a stronger engine mount available anywhere???
> > Andrew
> >
> >
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> > *From:* owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Rob Ray
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:46 AM
> > *To:* rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> > *Subject:* Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
> >
> > Andrew,
> >
> > I too operate my Rocket off a short, rough turf
> strip with the occasional fire ant mound and gopher hole. A
> cub actually broke a tailspring here, not an easy task. I
> too replaced my original tail spring installed by the
> builder in 96', fortunately before it snapped off from
> an elongated hole and crack. I turned my new tail spring
> end on a lathe slightly prior to installing the assembly to
> remove the taper where the assembly slides on. I also
> drilled two small holes rather than one large one through
> the spring to hold the assembly on. If your prior owner
> drilled a large hole or "slammed" the tailwheel
> down a few times, it might have stressed it. Either way, the
> fix will exceed your expectations.
> > On my strip, I rarely three point land my Rocket in
> lieu of wheels landings, although I fly a three point
> approach and ease it up on the mains at touchdown. My
> 380X150X5 Desser tires have helped immensely along with my
> API dual fork tailwheel. As mentioned before, Vince's
> heavy duty tailwheel assembly and the Bell work well too.
> >
> > Something else I really like for STOL operations is
> my Lift Reserve AOA indicator. It lets you fly final at
> "max performance" safely. My normal approach
> groundspeed is 57-59 knots, something I'm sure you can
> appreciate.
> >
> > Fair Dinkum!
> > Smokey
> > HR2
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On *Mon, 2/9/09, Larry Schneider
> //* wrote:
> >
> > From: Larry Schneider <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
> > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> > Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 3:32 PM
> >
> Schneider"
> >
> >
> > Fred,
> > You sure are dating yourself, I remember now,
> Thanks. :-)))
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred
> LaForge"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
> >
> >
> "Fred LaForge" >
>
> > >
> > > Its the one they normally supplied, the tail
> wheel fork pivots on the > section that is bent down.
> Maybe they dont use them any more.
> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
> "Larry Schneider"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:57 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from
> NZ!
> > >
> > >
> "Larry Schneider" >>
>
> > >>
> > >> Hey Fred,
> > Please elaborate on the bent tail wheel spring
> from Vans.
> > I've
> > >> installed maybe a dozen springs and they
> were all straight. Where is
> > the
> > >> bend and why? Thanks, Larry
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>
> From: "Fred LaForge"
>
> > >> To:
> > >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:48 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help
> from NZ!
> > >>
> > >>
> "Fred LaForge"
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Andrew, Van makes 2 different tail
> springs that will fit your
> > Rocket, a
> > >>> bent one (standard) and one for an
> after market tail wheel
> > (better).
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew"
>
> > >>> To:
> >
> > >>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58
> AM
> > >>> Subject: Rocket-List: A cry for help
> from NZ!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> --> Rocket-List message posted
> by: "ACTIVE NZ -
> > Andrew"
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Guys, a wee problem - my damn
> tailwheel snapped off. The (I
> > don't know
> > >>>> the word, but the long bar that
> goes back the tailwheel
> > assmembly)
> > >>>> snapped clean off, flush with the
> tailwheel assembly. As
> > I'm not the
> > >>>> builder (I know, I know) I
> don't know if that is a
> > standard RV-4 item,
> > >>>> or one of the things switched out
> when the RV-4 is
> > transmogrified into >>>> a
> > >>>> Rocket. Cos of what seems like a
> lot more weight than my RV-4
> > ever had.
> > >>>> Mine is a well built HRII, not
> > an F1. Anyone know where I can
> > get one >>>> of
> > >>>> those bars asap? I got a ROG
> situation, which is even worse
> > than an AOG
> > >>>> situation :) Seriously, I'd
> like to find that item, and
> > get one sent
> > >>>> down to NZ as soon as possible,
> cos the aircraft is stuck 400
> > miles >>>> from
> > >>>> my home field till I can sort it
> out.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Also, a heads-up - something to
> be aware of, and inspect more
> > >>>> thoroughly, I guess. To be fair,
> I hit a rabbit hole and the
> > tail came
> > >>>> up very high before bashing down
> hard, stick back....but I
> > wasn't much
> > >>>> more than walking pace, maybe
> running pace, so no other damage
> > done. >>>> But
> > >>>> mebbe worth inspecting more
> thoroughly at annual time, if you
> > fly off
> > >>>> short grass strips
> > with occasional rabbit holes in em!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Andrew
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From:
> owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > >>>>
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Rainair
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008
> 9:01 AM
> > >>>> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> > >>>> Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap
> System
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --> Rocket-List message posted
> by: "Rainair"
> >
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hello,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm searching this flap
> system :
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
> > >>>>
> > >>>> can everybody help me
> > ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Read this topic online here:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
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| From: | "Generation 3 ignition" <mail(at)g3ignition.com> |
| Subject: | Generation 3 Ignition |
Hello Dave,
All mags should be inspected @ the recommended time interval. Example,
I have inspected Slick mags with 400hrs on them and they were excellent
for the G3i system modification. Depending on what fails in the mag, in
some scenarios, the electronic will back -up the mag and continue to
fire just fine. During run-up, a system off, normal (L-R) mag drop is
recommended to revel any potential ignition problems. We do the mag
modification here and inspections/ repairs. Since the spark plug gap is
slightly larger than the stock (.018") recommendation. New total air gap
being increased to .020" - .026" the secondary voltage range to ionize
the spark adds roughly .2 - .5kv to the overall window. It is the
synchronized multiple discharge that make the G3i systems performs so
well. Here is a link to Larry Vettermans/ Vettermans Exhaust website
scroll down to Hartzell Blended Airfoil vs Whirlwind 200RV Series props
on my RV-7A..Larry Vetterman for info. on his test findings or give him
a call.
Sincerely,
Thomas Shpakow
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:59 PM
Subject: FormContactus
Do the mags still need overhaul at 500 hours? What does the system
do in the case of a mag failure?
I plan to order a stock IO-540 from Van's Aircraft in a few weeks.
Can I send you the mags for conversion?
Is the spark voltage energy increased over standard mag voltage? So
far your system sounds very good however I have not been able to get
much feedback in the field about it. How many systems do you have
flying? Thanks for taking the barrage of questions!!
Dave
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: FormContactus
Hello Dave,
Well, there is really no comparison, Slick/Unison LASAR would be
the closest since it still has the mag redundancy. There are many
benefits to electronic ignitions systems out there, however our product
has the best fall back on redundancy available. You don't have to run
half a ignition system to still have mag redundancy. Its doesn't require
back-up batteries to still operate if you lose the aircraft electrical
system, and/or if a sensor or some other electronic ignition component
fails, the G3i system reverts back to the original magnetos to still
continue ignition firing. The G3i system fires both ignition systems
together in perfect sync. which produces engine smoothness and
performance/economy gains. Fuel economy gains are realistically are from
8% to 14%. On static dynamotor test pulls, 2% - 5% has been record in
pounds of thrust @ 100% power. On starting the G3i provides multiple
spark to both L&R ignitions instantly in sync. making starting much
easier. Does not need 3 crankshaft revolutions to see a signal on when
to fire. Installation is straight forward and easily done. Please ck out
our website on the install manual or give us a call about our product.
We will be in KOSH Airventure booth 1148 this year also.
Thank you for you inquiry.
Sincerely,
Thomas Shpakow
Interfacing Aircraft Magnetos
Electronic Multiple Spark Technology
GENERATION 3 IGNITION
2331 W. Hampden Ave. 130
Englewood, CO. 80110
T 303-781-9449
C 303-906-6846
F 303-806-5120
www.g3ignition.com
mail(at)g3ignition.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:56 PM
Subject: FormContactus
> hearabout: matronics RV-10 list
> question: How does your system compare to LASAR or Electroair
and others?
> I am building an RV-10. I was considering Electroair until I
saw your product.
> Ease of install? Any better performance than others? Thanks.
>
> Dave
> RV-10
> Submit32: Submit
>
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| Subject: | Builder needs prop |
| From: | "rtmarshall" <rtmarshall(at)gotsky.com> |
Group, Two blade HR II HMYR prop prefer J blades or same prop for a duchess (M2)
Maybe somebody went to a three blade and wants to sell their two blade? Hope
springs eternal! contact off line thanks , Bob rtmarshall(at)gotsky.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236534#236534
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| From: | Jack Tillery <riptillery(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Builder needs prop |
I have a HC-F2YR-1F/F7666A-4, Hub S/N CH1672E, Blade S/N D694-C & C87758.
Overhauled by Mena Aircraft Propellers, Inc. "0" time soh
-
If you can use it - let me know.- Jack"Rip"Tillery
-
Note: also have 0-360-A1A- --- "0" SMOH
-riptillery(at)sbcglobal.net
--- On Sat, 3/28/09, rtmarshall wrote:
From: rtmarshall <rtmarshall(at)gotsky.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: Builder needs prop
Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 11:32 AM
Group, Two blade HR II HMYR prop prefer J blades or same prop for a duches
s
(M2) Maybe somebody went to a three blade and wants to sell their two blad
e?
Hope springs eternal! contact off line thanks , Bob rtmarshall(at)gotsky.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=236534#236534
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| From: | "Generation 3 Ignition" <mail(at)g3ignition.com> |
Hello Dave,
Yes, with the G3i system, the Multiple Spark Discharge is energized
while starting, thus taking place of the Slick Start/ Bendix Shower of
Sparks. Also, both mags are energize while starting.
Yes, a single system runs both (L&R) magnetos.
Sincerely,
Thomas Shpakow
Interfacing Aircraft Magnetos
Electronic Multiple Spark Technology
GENERATION 3 IGNITION
2331 W. Hampden Ave. 130
Englewood, CO. 80110
T 303-781-9449
C 303-906-6846
F 303-806-5120
www.g3ignition.com
mail(at)g3ignition.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:04 AM
Subject: G3I for IO540
Does your system eliminate the Slickstart requirement? Does a single
system cover both mags?
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| From: | "Generation 3 Ignition" <mail(at)g3ignition.com> |
| Subject: | Generation 3 Ignition |
Hello John,
The total mag height should not be increased, the coil stud terminal is
.500". Usally the height of the ignition harness or p-leads looming
around is the problem.
Are your Bendix 20-series or 1200 's mags, if there 20-series do they
have the flat top steel cover? I've attached a pic of Larry Vetterman's
flat top mag installed with the coil terminal stud. If you go to the
www.g3ignition.com a look @ the G3i pdf install manual, there are more
examples and mods.
The G3i system will eliminate the shower of sparks. It will receive the
retard contacts signal while cranking and will retard/energize both mags
@ start-up. (Drawing # 2 in manual)
Sincerely,
Thomas Shpakow
Interfacing Aircraft Magnetos
Electronic Multiple Spark Technology
GENERATION 3 IGNITION
2331 W. Hampden Ave. 130
Englewood, CO. 80110
T 303-781-9449
C 303-906-6846
F 303-806-5120
www.g3ignition.com
mail(at)g3ignition.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Generation 3 Ignition
Dear Thomas,
I have been following the string of communication on Rocket List...
I'm interested in adding your system.
My Rocket is equipped with non-impulse type mags and Bendix "Shower of
Sparks" ignition. Also, does your mod increase mag depth in any way ?
I have minimum space between mag (head and wiring) and the firewall.
Thanks for any info you might give.
In a message dated 3/28/2009 6:06:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mail(at)g3ignition.com writes:
Hello Dave,
All mags should be inspected @ the recommended time interval.
Example, I have inspected Slick mags with 400hrs on them and they were
excellent for the G3i system modification. Depending on what fails in
the mag, in some scenarios, the electronic will back -up the mag and
continue to fire just fine. During run-up, a system off, normal (L-R)
mag drop is recommended to revel any potential ignition problems. We do
the mag modification here and inspections/ repairs. Since the spark plug
gap is slightly larger than the stock (.018") recommendation. New total
air gap being increased to .020" - .026" the secondary voltage range to
ionize the spark adds roughly .2 - .5kv to the overall window. It is the
synchronized multiple discharge that make the G3i systems performs so
well. Here is a link to Larry Vettermans/ Vettermans Exhaust website
scroll down to Hartzell Blended Airfoil vs Whirlwind 200RV Series props
on my RV-7A.Larry Vetterman for info. on his test findings or
give him a call.
Sincerely,
Thomas Shpakow
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| From: | "Generation 3 Ignition" <mail(at)g3ignition.com> |
| Subject: | Re: timing advance |
Hello Dave,
Well first off, we all know the aircraft engine is of large
displacement, which has a very small rpm window of operation, and to top
it off also, it has very poor air/fuel atomization with a huge
combustion chamber. So, how? Well the fuel economy and extra hp comes
from the Multiple Spark Discharge (MSD). When the first firing event of
the MSD takes place, a flame front is created. As this flame front is
burning in the combustion chamber, there is a swirling turbulence that
takes place. Drawing unburned air/fuel mixture passed the spark plugs.
This is where the MSD come into play. The second and third firing event
then ignites this air/fuel mixture, which creates a quicker complete
burn of the air/fuel mixture as the piston passes through TDC. The MSD
spark is not hotter and doesn't need to be, that is why we do not use
huge spark plug air gaps. As the saying goes, screwing a 75 watt light
bulb into a 300 watt socket the bulb is not going to burn any brighter.
The others all claim to get their advantage from timing advance along
with hotter spark. The key word in the sentence is "spark" that's
singular. With one spark you need more time to get that complete
combustion since it is so slow. The only way is to ramp up (advance)
the timing close to the verge of detonation, and also deliver a hotter
spark hoping that it will have a better chance (only chance) of
ignition. With these timing advances, the cylinder pressures go up
tremendously as the piston travels towards and over TDC. This creates
more ware on engine internals from these pressures. As for a =BD and =BD
mag/electronic advance ignition system.. For example, the electronics
are firing @, let's say 35 degrees and the mag is set at 25 degrees.
Since the combustion has already started, that mag is now confronted
with firing though an incredible amount of cylinder pressure, if it can
at all. I have seen mag failure on the =BD and =BD systems. I hope this
helps some, these will be some of the topics spoken in great detail @
our booth at AirVenture this year.
Sincerely,
Thomas S.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:43 PM
Subject: ***SPAM***Re: FormContactus timing advance
So you are saying there is negligible benefit to advancing timing
greater than 25 degrees BTDC below 12,500 pressure altitude and only a
1% advantage above? Where then does the fuel economy and extra hp you
see with your system come from? The hotter spark? I am really trying
to understand all the different systems out there and yours seems to be
the easiest to install, and I like the mag back-up. But the others all
claim to get their advantage from timing advance along with hotter
spark. I'll be frank, I am torn between your system and Electroair. I
would use a single mag and the Electroair system. Sell me on yours.
Thanks!!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: FormContactus timing advance
Hello Dave,
The G3i system dose not have a timing advance built in. A timing
control module can be added which will give you a adjustable timing
window of 15 degrees from base timing angle. We found in flight
testing/research working with different timing angles, the benefits of
economy and performance of running more than a couple of degrees higher
than the stock manufacture timing setting were not all that beneficial
below 12K. And less than 1% @ altitudes above 12,500ft and less than
60% power. All performance and economy specs.show are @ the stock engine
manufacturer timing angle.
Sincerely,
Thomas Shpakow
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:29 PM
Subject: ***SPAM***Re: FormContactus
Does your system advance timing?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: FormContactus
Hello Dave,
Well, there is really no comparison, Slick/Unison LASAR would be
the closest since it still has the mag redundancy. There are many
benefits to electronic ignitions systems out there, however our product
has the best fall back on redundancy available. You don't have to run
half a ignition system to still have mag redunecy. Its doesn't require
back-up batteries to still operate if you lose the aircraft electrical
system, and/or if a sensor or some other electronic ignition component
fails, the G3i system reverts back to the original magnetos to still
continue ignition firing. The G3i system fires both ignition systems
together in perfect sync. which produces engine smoothness and
performance/economy gains. Fuel economy gains are realistically are from
8% to 14%. On static dynamotor test pulls, 2% - 5% has been record in
pounds of thrust @ 100% power. On starting the G3i provides multiple
spark to both L&R ignitions instantly in sync. making starting much
easier. Does not need 3 crankshaft revolutions to see a signal on when
to fire. Installation is straight forward and easily done. Please ck out
our website on the insall manual or give us a call about our product.
We will be in KOSH Airventure booth 1148 this year also.
Thank you for you inquiry.
Sincerely,
Thomas Shpakow
Interfacing Aircraft Magnetos
Electronic Multiple Spark Technology
GENERATION 3 IGNITION
2331 W. Hampden Ave. 130
Englewood, CO. 80110
T 303-781-9449
C 303-906-6846
F 303-806-5120
www.g3ignition.com
mail(at)g3ignition.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:56 PM
Subject: FormContactus
> hearabout: matronics RV-10 list
> question: How does your system compare to LASAR or Electroair
and others?
> I am building an RV-10. I was considering Electroair until I
saw your product.
> Ease of install? Any better performance than others? Thanks.
>
> Dave Leikam
> RV-10
> Submit32: Submit
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| Subject: | Re: A cry for help from NZ! |
| From: | "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com> |
Yep. Proceeding as you suggest :)
Thx for the help. Sorry about usual delay. Emails come in and disappear
into the swampage, but it's kind of you to respond. Those gussets are
just what I need.
Andrew
________________________________
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Weaver
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Re: A cry for help from NZ!
You would be well advised to get a Tailwheel assembly from Vince
Frazier. Once that's in place, you might start thinking about some might
fine Gussets on your Engine Mount. Stop the cracks before they appear.
Weav
ACTIVE NZ - Andrew wrote:
Hi Smokey! Thanks for the email, and sorry about the delay in
responding. I'm finally clearing the backlog of helpful emails I
received on the subject of my poor ole AOG Rocket, which is still AOG
due to a few logistical issues. I have been travelling out of the
country, but while I was away, a VERY kind reader on the list sent me
down a tailwheel spring that he had lying around, unused. All the way to
New Zealand - it was in NZ before I was! He wouldn't even take money.
Aren't some people nice? (I'm gonna insist on the money, of course.) So
I'll be trying to get my Rocket back in the air on Monday.
I'm going to fit a standard RV-4 setup to get me going, but I
really like the idea of the dual fork tailwheel, and any other
ruggedizing measures I can undertake. As for the AOA indicator, that
sounds GREAT. This is one of those, um, sense over ego issues, and I
think, as ever, sense should win here. The neighbours round here are
insane, so I sometimes have to land downwind for noise abatement.
Needless to say I fly slow, power-on approaches, and usually do a tail
low wheeler, with some pretty aggressive braking, cos I find the ole
Rocket doesn't brake nearly as well with the tailwheel down. Seems to
work. But having a more scientific sense of my AoA, in addition to the
ususal cues, can only be a good thing. I'll get one, for sure. Is it a
biggie to fit?
And, last dumb question, I've broken my landing gear/engine
mount three times now, albeit in 600 hours. (Did I mention my strip
exactly flat? It makes judging the touchdown a little tricky, or maybe I
just didn't pay enough attention at pilot school :) We keep welding it
up, and it keeps breaking. I'm sure Mr RV wouldn't be too happy to see
what has become of his original creation, but the fact is, the HRII
makes a damn fine bush aircraft. So long as you don't mind welding! Have
you ever heard of a stronger engine mount available anywhere???
Andrew
________________________________
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ray
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:46 AM
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
Andrew,
I too operate my Rocket off a short, rough turf strip with the
occasional fire ant mound and gopher hole. A cub actually broke a
tailspring here, not an easy task. I too replaced my original tail
spring installed by the builder in 96', fortunately before it snapped
off from an elongated hole and crack. I turned my new tail spring end
on a lathe slightly prior to installing the assembly to remove the taper
where the assembly slides on. I also drilled two small holes rather than
one large one through the spring to hold the assembly on. If your prior
owner drilled a large hole or "slammed" the tailwheel down a few times,
it might have stressed it. Either way, the fix will exceed your
expectations.
On my strip, I rarely three point land my Rocket in lieu of wheels
landings, although I fly a three point approach and ease it up on the
mains at touchdown. My 380X150X5 Desser tires have helped immensely
along with my API dual fork tailwheel. As mentioned before, Vince's
heavy duty tailwheel assembly and the Bell work well too.
Something else I really like for STOL operations is my Lift Reserve
AOA indicator. It lets you fly final at "max performance" safely. My
normal approach groundspeed is 57-59 knots, something I'm sure you can
appreciate.
Fair Dinkum!
Smokey
HR2
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Larry Schneider
wrote:
From: Larry Schneider <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 3:32 PM
Fred,
You sure are dating yourself, I remember now, Thanks. :-)))
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
To:
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
> Its the one they normally supplied, the tail wheel fork pivots
on the
> section that is bent down. Maybe they dont use them any more.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
>>
>>
>> Hey Fred,
Please elaborate on the bent tail wheel spring from Vans.
I've
>> installed maybe a dozen springs and they were all straight.
Where is
the
>> bend and why? Thanks, Larry
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew, Van makes 2 different tail springs that will fit
your
Rocket, a
>>> bent one (standard) and one for an after market tail wheel
(better).
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58 AM
>>> Subject: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>>>
>>>
Andrew"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guys, a wee problem - my damn tailwheel snapped off. The (I
don't know
>>>> the word, but the long bar that goes back the tailwheel
assmembly)
>>>> snapped clean off, flush with the tailwheel assembly. As
I'm not the
>>>> builder (I know, I know) I don't know if that is a
standard RV-4 item,
>>>> or one of the things switched out when the RV-4 is
transmogrified into
>>>> a
>>>> Rocket. Cos of what seems like a lot more weight than my
RV-4
ever had.
>>>> Mine is a well built HRII, not
an F1. Anyone know where I can
get one
>>>> of
>>>> those bars asap? I got a ROG situation, which is even worse
than an AOG
>>>> situation :) Seriously, I'd like to find that item, and
get one sent
>>>> down to NZ as soon as possible, cos the aircraft is stuck
400
miles
>>>> from
>>>> my home field till I can sort it out.
>>>>
>>>> Also, a heads-up - something to be aware of, and inspect
more
>>>> thoroughly, I guess. To be fair, I hit a rabbit hole and
the
tail came
>>>> up very high before bashing down hard, stick back....but I
wasn't much
>>>> more than walking pace, maybe running pace, so no other
damage
done.
>>>> But
>>>> mebbe worth inspecting more thoroughly at annual time, if
you
fly off
>>>> short grass strips
with occasional rabbit holes in em!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
Of
Rainair
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:01 AM
>>>> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap System
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I'm searching this flap system :
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
>>>>
>>>> can everybody help me
?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Thanks for all your help on my tailwheel issue |
| From: | "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com> |
Guys, I got a lot of individual responses on tailwheels and engine
mounts. Some, I can't respond to individually, without clogging up the
list, cos individual email addresses seem to be hidden in some cases. So
to all who offered advice & encouragement - not to mention mailing a
tailwheel spring to New Zealand!!!! - it's a big thank you from me.
Andrew Fairfax | CEO | ACTIVE NEW ZEALAND AND ACTIVE SOUTH AMERICA
PO Box 972 | Queenstown, New Zealand 9300 | +64.3.441.2045
Free phone Numbers | 1.800.661.9073 (US & Canada) | 0808.234.7780 (UK)
Fax Numbers | +64-3-409-0119 (NZ) | 1-603-251-1051 (US & Canada)
www.activenewzealand.com |
www.activesouthamerica.com
Just so you know, to reduce email traffic and in the interests of peace,
love & harmony, if emails to me need no ACTION, just a "thanks", "got
it" etc, please presume I've been appropriately polite, even if I don't
reply directly :) Likewise, if my email doesn't require a substantive
response, it's fine with me if you don't respond. If you have sent me an
email, and it's important, and there's a long delay in my response, feel
free to resend, but do know that I do get all my emails. It's just that,
um, there's sometimes quite a line-up of the wee fellas :)
________________________________
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ACTIVE NZ -
Andrew
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Re: A cry for help from NZ!
Yep. Proceeding as you suggest :)
Thx for the help. Sorry about usual delay. Emails come in and disappear
into the swampage, but it's kind of you to respond. Those gussets are
just what I need.
Andrew
________________________________
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Weaver
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Re: A cry for help from NZ!
You would be well advised to get a Tailwheel assembly from Vince
Frazier. Once that's in place, you might start thinking about some might
fine Gussets on your Engine Mount. Stop the cracks before they appear.
Weav
ACTIVE NZ - Andrew wrote:
Hi Smokey! Thanks for the email, and sorry about the delay in
responding. I'm finally clearing the backlog of helpful emails I
received on the subject of my poor ole AOG Rocket, which is still AOG
due to a few logistical issues. I have been travelling out of the
country, but while I was away, a VERY kind reader on the list sent me
down a tailwheel spring that he had lying around, unused. All the way to
New Zealand - it was in NZ before I was! He wouldn't even take money.
Aren't some people nice? (I'm gonna insist on the money, of course.) So
I'll be trying to get my Rocket back in the air on Monday.
I'm going to fit a standard RV-4 setup to get me going, but I
really like the idea of the dual fork tailwheel, and any other
ruggedizing measures I can undertake. As for the AOA indicator, that
sounds GREAT. This is one of those, um, sense over ego issues, and I
think, as ever, sense should win here. The neighbours round here are
insane, so I sometimes have to land downwind for noise abatement.
Needless to say I fly slow, power-on approaches, and usually do a tail
low wheeler, with some pretty aggressive braking, cos I find the ole
Rocket doesn't brake nearly as well with the tailwheel down. Seems to
work. But having a more scientific sense of my AoA, in addition to the
ususal cues, can only be a good thing. I'll get one, for sure. Is it a
biggie to fit?
And, last dumb question, I've broken my landing gear/engine
mount three times now, albeit in 600 hours. (Did I mention my strip
exactly flat? It makes judging the touchdown a little tricky, or maybe I
just didn't pay enough attention at pilot school :) We keep welding it
up, and it keeps breaking. I'm sure Mr RV wouldn't be too happy to see
what has become of his original creation, but the fact is, the HRII
makes a damn fine bush aircraft. So long as you don't mind welding! Have
you ever heard of a stronger engine mount available anywhere???
Andrew
________________________________
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ray
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:46 AM
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
Andrew,
I too operate my Rocket off a short, rough turf strip with the
occasional fire ant mound and gopher hole. A cub actually broke a
tailspring here, not an easy task. I too replaced my original tail
spring installed by the builder in 96', fortunately before it snapped
off from an elongated hole and crack. I turned my new tail spring end
on a lathe slightly prior to installing the assembly to remove the taper
where the assembly slides on. I also drilled two small holes rather than
one large one through the spring to hold the assembly on. If your prior
owner drilled a large hole or "slammed" the tailwheel down a few times,
it might have stressed it. Either way, the fix will exceed your
expectations.
On my strip, I rarely three point land my Rocket in lieu of wheels
landings, although I fly a three point approach and ease it up on the
mains at touchdown. My 380X150X5 Desser tires have helped immensely
along with my API dual fork tailwheel. As mentioned before, Vince's
heavy duty tailwheel assembly and the Bell work well too.
Something else I really like for STOL operations is my Lift Reserve
AOA indicator. It lets you fly final at "max performance" safely. My
normal approach groundspeed is 57-59 knots, something I'm sure you can
appreciate.
Fair Dinkum!
Smokey
HR2
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Larry Schneider
wrote:
From: Larry Schneider <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 3:32 PM
Fred,
You sure are dating yourself, I remember now, Thanks. :-)))
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
To:
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
> Its the one they normally supplied, the tail wheel fork pivots
on the
> section that is bent down. Maybe they dont use them any more.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>
>
>>
>>
>> Hey Fred,
Please elaborate on the bent tail wheel spring from Vans.
I've
>> installed maybe a dozen springs and they were all straight.
Where is
the
>> bend and why? Thanks, Larry
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew, Van makes 2 different tail springs that will fit
your
Rocket, a
>>> bent one (standard) and one for an after market tail wheel
(better).
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "ACTIVE NZ - Andrew" <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58 AM
>>> Subject: Rocket-List: A cry for help from NZ!
>>>
>>>
Andrew"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guys, a wee problem - my damn tailwheel snapped off. The (I
don't know
>>>> the word, but the long bar that goes back the tailwheel
assmembly)
>>>> snapped clean off, flush with the tailwheel assembly. As
I'm not the
>>>> builder (I know, I know) I don't know if that is a
standard RV-4 item,
>>>> or one of the things switched out when the RV-4 is
transmogrified into
>>>> a
>>>> Rocket. Cos of what seems like a lot more weight than my
RV-4
ever had.
>>>> Mine is a well built HRII, not
an F1. Anyone know where I can
get one
>>>> of
>>>> those bars asap? I got a ROG situation, which is even worse
than an AOG
>>>> situation :) Seriously, I'd like to find that item, and
get one sent
>>>> down to NZ as soon as possible, cos the aircraft is stuck
400
miles
>>>> from
>>>> my home field till I can sort it out.
>>>>
>>>> Also, a heads-up - something to be aware of, and inspect
more
>>>> thoroughly, I guess. To be fair, I hit a rabbit hole and
the
tail came
>>>> up very high before bashing down hard, stick back....but I
wasn't much
>>>> more than walking pace, maybe running pace, so no other
damage
done.
>>>> But
>>>> mebbe worth inspecting more thoroughly at annual time, if
you
fly off
>>>> short grass strips
with occasional rabbit holes in em!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
Of
Rainair
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:01 AM
>>>> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Rocket-List: Mk2. Flap System
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I'm searching this flap system :
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pflanzer-aviation.com/fuselage78.jpg
>>>>
>>>> can everybody help me
?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216725#216725
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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--------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>
17:57:00
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| From: | Danny <vft(at)aol.com> |
Here are some pics of N14ZM.
http://img4.imageshack.us/slideshow/player.php?id=img4/2589/12408050311g8.smil
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
Looks awesome Danny.
I look forward to seeing it soon.
Jim Stone
HRII Louisville
Is that a production throttle handle with switch for VHF?
----- Original Message -----
From: Danny
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com ; rocket-list(at)matronics.com ;
kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:45 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: N14ZM pics
Here are some pics of N14ZM.
http://img4.imageshack.us/slideshow/player.php?id=img4/2589/12408050311
g8.smil
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
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Can't afford a new spring wardrobe? Go shopping in your closet
instead!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Danny <vft(at)aol.com> |
The throttle handle is my design and has a rocker switch for the flaps.
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:42 am
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: N14ZM pics
Looks awesome Danny.
I look forward to seeing it soon.
Jim Stone
HRII Louisville
Is that a production throttle handle with switch for VHF?
----- Original Message -----
From: Danny
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:45 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: N14ZM pics
Here are some pics of N14ZM.
http://img4.imageshack.us/slideshow/player.php?id=img4/2589/12408050311g8.smil
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
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| From: | Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com> |
Danny: I finally got tired of looking at your pictures the third or fourth
time I went through them... Okay... just kidding...I never did get tired of
them! The airplane looks wonderful!! You can bring it up to Ridgeland any
time---especially this Saturday since we are putting on our fourth annual
Race to Ridgeland!
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Danny wrote:
> The throttle handle is my design and has a rocker switch for the flaps.
>
> Danny Melnik
> F1 N14ZM
> Rocket Factory
> Melbourne, FL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:42 am
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: N14ZM pics
>
> Looks awesome Danny.
> I look forward to seeing it soon.
> Jim Stone
> HRII Louisville
> Is that a production throttle handle with switch for VHF?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Danny
> *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com ; rocket-list(at)matronics.com ;
> kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2009 10:45 AM
> *Subject:* Rocket-List: N14ZM pics
>
> Here are some pics of N14ZM.
>
>
> http://img4.imageshack.us/slideshow/player.php?id=img4/2589/12408050311g8.smil
>
> Danny Melnik
> F1 N14ZM
> Rocket Factory
> Melbourne, FL
>
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| From: | Danny <vft(at)aol.com> |
Hi Lee,
?Thanks for the comments on my plane. No time to come up this weekend but I'll
get there some day. You should be close to flying yours shouldn't you?
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: N14ZM pics
Danny:? I finally got tired of looking at your pictures the third or fourth time
I went through them... Okay... just kidding...I never did get tired of them!?
The airplane looks wonderful!!? You can bring it up to Ridgeland any time---especially
this Saturday since we are putting on our fourth annual Race to Ridgeland!
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Danny wrote:
The throttle handle is my design and has a rocker switch for the flaps.
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:42 am
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: N14ZM pics
Looks awesome Danny.
I look forward to seeing it soon.
Jim Stone
HRII Louisville
Is that a production throttle handle with switch for VHF?
----- Original Message -----
From: Danny
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:45 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: N14ZM pics
Here are some pics of N14ZM.
http://img4.imageshack.us/slideshow/player.php?id=img4/2589/12408050311g8.smil
Danny Melnik
F1 N14ZM
Rocket Factory
Melbourne, FL
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| From: | Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com> |
Getting pretty close, actually. I have some guys helping me with the
electricals but they only come for 2-3 days at a time. I think one more
visit will do it and then we'll get the engine started. Should be able to
fly fairly quickly, but I know everyone says that! We'll see, but I feel
sure it'll fly this summer some time!
Sorry you can't make it---I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the
finished product in the flesh!
Best wishes,
Lee...
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Danny wrote:
> Hi Lee,
>
> Thanks for the comments on my plane. No time to come up this weekend but
> I'll get there some day. You should be close to flying yours shouldn't you?
>
>
> Danny Melnik
> F1 N14ZM
> Rocket Factory
> Melbourne, FL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 7:19 pm
> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: N14ZM pics
>
> Danny: I finally got tired of looking at your pictures the third or
> fourth time I went through them... Okay... just kidding...I never did get
> tired of them! The airplane looks wonderful!! You can bring it up to
> Ridgeland any time---especially this Saturday since we are putting on our
> fourth annual Race to Ridgeland!
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Danny wrote:
>
>> The throttle handle is my design and has a rocker switch for the flaps.
>>
>> Danny Melnik
>> F1 N14ZM
>> Rocket Factory
>> Melbourne, FL
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
>> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:42 am
>> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: N14ZM pics
>>
>> Looks awesome Danny.
>> I look forward to seeing it soon.
>> Jim Stone
>> HRII Louisville
>> Is that a production throttle handle with switch for VHF?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Danny
>> *To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com ; rocket-list(at)matronics.com ;
>> kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2009 10:45 AM
>> *Subject:* Rocket-List: N14ZM pics
>>
>> Here are some pics of N14ZM.
>>
>>
>> http://img4.imageshack.us/slideshow/player.php?id=img4/2589/12408050311g8.smil
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>> Danny Melnik
>> F1 N14ZM
>> Rocket Factory
>> Melbourne, FL
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| From: | "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Jack's Final Flight |
My friend Jack Starn, many of you knew him as KABONG, has passed away.
He has been sick for a long time and his heart just gave up. He hasn't
added his witty comments to the lists for the last several years but the
old timers will remember his emails.
For the new guys/gals on the list, Jack moved next door to me right
after I got the tail kit for the RV-4. It quickly turned into a Harmon
Rocket II, and Jack held the bucking bar for all 16,000 rivets (plus or
minus a few). During the five years of building Jack got cancer and had
to have his vocal cords removed and talked with a buzzer held against
his neck.
We had a few good years but he got sick again. They couldn't find out
why he lost 85 pounds and just got weaker and weaker.
Anyway, the email I sent to my EAA chapter is below.
For you all who might remember Jack-KABONG, please sent a short note,
you know just a line or two with a personal comment, and I will copy
them to a letter I will give the family.
The memorial sevice will be May 30th at 10:00 AM. Some RV guys/gals are
attempting to set up a missing man fly-by to start the service. After
the service, we will take him for his last plane ride.
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Harmon Rocket II N-561FS 350 hours
Major USAF Retired, F-4G Instuctor Pilot
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
*************************************************************************
*****
Everybody,
Jack took his final flight this morning, May 19, 2009
Last night, my wife cooked and we took the food up to the Starn's and
had a nice evening with them. Jack was up walking around and we had a
long talk about the Chino Air Show. He looked a lot better than his
current normal.
This morning I got a call and was told I had to come right away. When I
arrived, he was with three football coaches from the school where he was
"The Voice of the Ravens." He was unable to talk or raise his head and
his breathing was labored. The hospice nurse said that he could hear
us. The coaches prayed with him, sang a couple of songs and ended with
a Raven cheer.
I walked outside to call my folks who knew Jack and to cancel my trip to
visit them this weekend. When his nephew came out and said it was all
over. He was surround by family and friends.
A couple hours later, the folks came to pick him up and we gathered on
the front lawn to say Good-bye as they loaded him into the truck.
The Air Force decided to say "Thank you for your service" and a plane
from Edwards AFB broke the sound barrier overhead. So Jack was loaded
with a sonic boom.
As I get the details for his memorial service, I will send them to you.
Please keep your thoughts and prayers for his family,
Tom,
Proud to say he was my friend.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Jack's Final Flight |
Hi Tom,
Our condolences to Jack's family. I remember KABONG. He will be missed.
THanks
Nico
_____
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[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: Jack's Final Flight
My friend Jack Starn, many of you knew him as KABONG, has passed away. He
has been sick for a long time and his heart just gave up. He hasn't added
his witty comments to the lists for the last several years but the old
timers will remember his emails.
For the new guys/gals on the list, Jack moved next door to me right after I
got the tail kit for the RV-4. It quickly turned into a Harmon Rocket II,
and Jack held the bucking bar for all 16,000 rivets (plus or minus a few).
During the five years of building Jack got cancer and had to have his vocal
cords removed and talked with a buzzer held against his neck.
We had a few good years but he got sick again. They couldn't find out why
he lost 85 pounds and just got weaker and weaker.
Anyway, the email I sent to my EAA chapter is below.
For you all who might remember Jack-KABONG, please sent a short note, you
know just a line or two with a personal comment, and I will copy them to a
letter I will give the family.
The memorial sevice will be May 30th at 10:00 AM. Some RV guys/gals are
attempting to set up a missing man fly-by to start the service. After the
service, we will take him for his last plane ride.
Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
Harmon Rocket II N-561FS 350 hours
Major USAF Retired, F-4G Instuctor Pilot
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
****************************************************************************
**
Everybody,
Jack took his final flight this morning, May 19, 2009
Last night, my wife cooked and we took the food up to the Starn's and had a
nice evening with them. Jack was up walking around and we had a long talk
about the Chino Air Show. He looked a lot better than his current normal.
This morning I got a call and was told I had to come right away. When I
arrived, he was with three football coaches from the school where he was
"The Voice of the Ravens." He was unable to talk or raise his head and his
breathing was labored. The hospice nurse said that he could hear us. The
coaches prayed with him, sang a couple of songs and ended with a Raven
cheer.
I walked outside to call my folks who knew Jack and to cancel my trip to
visit them this weekend. When his nephew came out and said it was all over.
He was surround by family and friends.
A couple hours later, the folks came to pick him up and we gathered on the
front lawn to say Good-bye as they loaded him into the truck.
The Air Force decided to say "Thank you for your service" and a plane from
Edwards AFB broke the sound barrier overhead. So Jack was loaded with a
sonic boom.
As I get the details for his memorial service, I will send them to you.
Please keep your thoughts and prayers for his family,
Tom,
Proud to say he was my friend.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jack Hodge <jacksie31(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/22/09 |
Hi Tom and fellow rocketeers=2C I too send my condolences to Jack's family
. Great guy..
Jack Hodge=2C HRII 584JH at RAL...retired AF B-58 "Hustler" IP
> Date: Fri=2C 22 May 2009 23:58:42 -0700
> From: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
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> 1. 05:23 AM - Re: Jack's Final Flight (nico css)
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> From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Jack's Final Flight
>
> Hi Tom=2C
> Our condolences to Jack's family. I remember KABONG. He will be missed.
> THanks
> Nico
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
> Sent: Thursday=2C May 21=2C 2009 4:31 PM
> Subject: Rocket-List: Jack's Final Flight
>
>
> My friend Jack Starn=2C many of you knew him as KABONG=2C has passed away
. He
> has been sick for a long time and his heart just gave up. He hasn't adde
d
> his witty comments to the lists for the last several years but the old
> timers will remember his emails.
>
> For the new guys/gals on the list=2C Jack moved next door to me right aft
er I
> got the tail kit for the RV-4. It quickly turned into a Harmon Rocket II
=2C
> and Jack held the bucking bar for all 16=2C000 rivets (plus or minus a fe
w).
> During the five years of building Jack got cancer and had to have his voc
al
> cords removed and talked with a buzzer held against his neck.
>
> We had a few good years but he got sick again. They couldn't find out wh
y
> he lost 85 pounds and just got weaker and weaker.
>
> Anyway=2C the email I sent to my EAA chapter is below.
>
> For you all who might remember Jack-KABONG=2C please sent a short note=2C
you
> know just a line or two with a personal comment=2C and I will copy them t
o a
> letter I will give the family.
>
> The memorial sevice will be May 30th at 10:00 AM. Some RV guys/gals are
> attempting to set up a missing man fly-by to start the service. After th
e
> service=2C we will take him for his last plane ride.
>
> Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
> Harmon Rocket II N-561FS 350 hours
> Major USAF Retired=2C F-4G Instuctor Pilot
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
> *************************************************************************
***
> **
> Everybody=2C
>
> Jack took his final flight this morning=2C May 19=2C 2009
>
> Last night=2C my wife cooked and we took the food up to the Starn's and h
ad a
> nice evening with them. Jack was up walking around and we had a long tal
k
> about the Chino Air Show. He looked a lot better than his current normal
.
>
> This morning I got a call and was told I had to come right away. When I
> arrived=2C he was with three football coaches from the school where he wa
s
> "The Voice of the Ravens." He was unable to talk or raise his head and h
is
> breathing was labored. The hospice nurse said that he could hear us. Th
e
> coaches prayed with him=2C sang a couple of songs and ended with a Raven
> cheer.
>
> I walked outside to call my folks who knew Jack and to cancel my trip to
> visit them this weekend. When his nephew came out and said it was all ov
er.
> He was surround by family and friends.
>
> A couple hours later=2C the folks came to pick him up and we gathered on
the
> front lawn to say Good-bye as they loaded him into the truck.
> The Air Force decided to say "Thank you for your service" and a plane fro
m
> Edwards AFB broke the sound barrier overhead. So Jack was loaded with a
> sonic boom.
>
> As I get the details for his memorial service=2C I will send them to you.
>
> Please keep your thoughts and prayers for his family=2C
>
> Tom=2C
> Proud to say he was my friend.
>
>
>
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| From: | "Dave Bockelman" <dvdbock(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Sky-Tec starter for Rocket? |
Want to replace my Rocket's B&C starter with a Sky-Tec starter. Can someone
tell me if their NL-149 would be a 'seamless' form, fit & function
replacement for the B&C starter installed ? Have 10-1 pistons in IO540-C4B5
& could use more 'kick'.
Dave Bockelman
F-Rocket 046
475hrs
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| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Sky-Tec starter for Rocket? |
that sounds more like a battery problem
John Harmon
D &J Harmon Co., Inc
2201 Coy Avenue
Bakersfield, CA 93307
661-396-3570
661-396-3574 FAX
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| From: | Hr2pilot(at)aol.com |
Mark your calendar June 6 Bakersfield EAA 71 fly-in Trytip BBQ
John Harmon
D &J Harmon Co., Inc
2201 Coy Avenue
Bakersfield, CA 93307
661-396-3570
661-396-3574 FAX
www.harmonso2generators.com
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| From: | "Dave Bockelman" <dvdbock(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky-Tec starter for Rocket? |
Thanks, John. Failed to mention have some ground-down teeth on my B&C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hr2pilot(at)aol.com
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Sky-Tec starter for Rocket?
that sounds more like a battery problem
John Harmon
D &J Harmon Co., Inc
2201 Coy Avenue
Bakersfield, CA 93307
661-396-3570
661-396-3574 FAX
www.harmonso2generators.com
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| From: | "Dave Bockelman" <dvdbock(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Thanks. Hope to make it this Year.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hr2pilot(at)aol.com
To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:32 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: (no subject)
Mark your calendar June 6 Bakersfield EAA 71 fly-in Trytip BBQ
John Harmon
D &J Harmon Co., Inc
2201 Coy Avenue
Bakersfield, CA 93307
661-396-3570
661-396-3574 FAX
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| From: | Im7shannon(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Sky-Tec starter for Rocket? |
I recommend the hi-torque version, I have one on my bird, works fantastic,
also does not have the solenoid sticking out the side which may cause
clearance problems.
Kevin Shannon
HRII
N450KS
107 hours flying
In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:39:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dvdbock(at)verizon.net writes:
Thanks, John. Failed to mention have some ground-down teeth on my B&C.
----- Original Message -----
From: _Hr2pilot(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Hr2pilot(at)aol.com)
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Sky-Tec starter for Rocket?
that sounds more like a battery problem
John Harmon
D &J Harmon Co., Inc
2201 Coy Avenue
Bakersfield, CA 93307
661-396-3570
661-396-3574 FAX
_www.harmonso2generators.com_ (http://www.harmonso2generators.com/)
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| From: | rocketman <bluebird270(at)dslextreme.com> |
| Subject: | Rocket & RV BBQ June 6th At L45 Bakersfield Muni |
Mark your calendar June 6 Bakersfield EAA 71 fly-in Tri tip BBQ
Great food & friends & fun
Fun starts around 8:00AM
Food whenever
Friends who know who may show up
Harry Paine
266HP 500HRS sadly For Sale
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sky-Tec starter for Rocket? |
Ditto!
SmokeyHR2 1000 hours
--- On Tue, 5/26/09, Im7shannon(at)aol.com wrote:
From: Im7shannon(at)aol.com <Im7shannon(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Sky-Tec starter for Rocket?
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 3:03 PM
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| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/22/09 |
Thanks Gummi, pass a "SH" for me as well.-
We will pray for his family...
Smokey
--- On Sat, 5/23/09, Jack Hodge wrote:
From: Jack Hodge <jacksie31(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Rocket-List: RE: Rocket-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/22/09
Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 8:52 AM
=0A=0A=0A=0A =0AHi Tom and fellow rocketeers,- I too send my condolences
to Jack's family. Great guy..
Jack Hodge,- HRII 584JH- at RAL...retired AF B-58 "Hustler" IP
> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 23:58:42 -0700
> From: rocket-list(at)matronics.com
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> From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Jack's Final Flight
>
> Hi Tom,
> Our condolences to Jack's family. I remember KABONG. He will be missed.
> THanks
> Nico
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:31 PM
> Subject: Rocket-List: Jack's Final Flight
>
>
> My friend Jack Starn, many of you knew him as KABONG, has passed away. H
e
> has been sick for a long time and his heart just gave up. He hasn't adde
d
> his witty comments to the lists for the last several years but the old
> timers will remember his emails.
>
> For the new guys/gals on the list, Jack moved next door to me right after
I
> got the tail kit for the RV-4. It quickly turned into a Harmon Rocket II
,
> and Jack held the bucking bar for all 16,000 rivets (plus or minus a few)
.
> During the five years of building Jack got cancer and had to have his voc
al
> cords removed and talked with a buzzer held against his neck.
>
> We had a few good years but he got sick again. They couldn't find out wh
y
> he lost 85 pounds and just got weaker and weaker.
>
> Anyway, the email I sent to my EAA chapter is below.
>
> For you all who might remember Jack-KABONG, please sent a short note, you
> know just a line or two with a personal comment, and I will copy them to
a
> letter I will give the family.
>
> The memorial sevice will be May 30th at 10:00 AM. Some RV guys/gals are
> attempting to set up a missing man fly-by to start the service. After th
e
> service, we will take him for his last plane ride.
>
> Tom "GummiBear" Gummo
> Harmon Rocket II N-561FS 350 hours
> Major USAF Retired, F-4G Instuctor Pilot
> http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
>
> *************************************************************************
***
> **
> Everybody,
>
> Jack took his final flight this morning, May 19, 2009
>
> Last night, my wife cooked and we took the food up to the Starn's and had
a
> nice evening with them. Jack was up walking around and we had a long tal
k
> about the Chino Air Show. He looked a lot better than his current normal
.
>
> This morning I got a call and was told I had to come right away. When I
> arrived, he was with three football coaches from the school where he was
> "The Voice of the Ravens." He was unable to talk or raise his head and h
is
> breathing was labored. The hospice nurse said that he could hear us. Th
e
> coaches prayed with him, sang a couple of songs and ended with a Raven
> cheer.
>
> I walked outside to call my folks who knew Jack and to cancel my trip to
> visit them this weekend. When his nephew came out and said it was all ov
er.
> He was surround by family and friends.
>
> A couple hours later, the folks came to pick him up and we gathered on th
e
> front lawn to say Good-bye as they loaded him into the truck.
> The Air Force decided to say "Thank you for your service" and a plane fro
m
> Edwards AFB broke the sound barrier overhead. So Jack was loaded with a
> sonic boom.
>
> As I get the details for his memorial service, I will send them to you.
>
> Please keep your thoughts and prayers for his family,
>
> Tom,
> Proud to say he was my f================
====
> _===
>
>
>
>
===============0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Neal George" <n8zg(at)mchsi.com> |
| Subject: | Sky-Tec starter for Rocket? |
Hey Smokey -
Do you plan to join us for the open house this weekend?
I'd like to sit down and talk about incorporating and brokering and buyer's
assisting.
neal
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ray
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Sky-Tec starter for Rocket?
Ditto!
Smokey
HR2 1000 hours
--- On Tue, 5/26/09, Im7shannon(at)aol.com wrote:
From: Im7shannon(at)aol.com <Im7shannon(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Sky-Tec starter for Rocket?
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 3:03 PM
I recommend the hi-torque version, I have one on my bird, works fantastic,
also does not have the solenoid sticking out the side which may cause
clearance problems.
Kevin Shannon
HRII
N450KS
107 hours flying
In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:39:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dvdbock(at)verizon.net writes:
Thanks, John. Failed to mention have some ground-down teeth on my B&C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hr2pilot(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Sky-Tec starter for Rocket?
that sounds more like a battery problem
John Harmon
D &J Harmon Co., Inc
2201 Coy Avenue
Bakersfield, CA 93307
661-396-3570
661-396-3574 FAX
www.harmonso2generators.com <http://www.harmonso2generators.com/>
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| From: | "Neal George" <n8zg(at)mchsi.com> |
| Subject: | Sky-Tec starter for Rocket? |
(Sorry folks - meant for that to go direct.)
Hey Smokey -
Do you plan to join us for the open house this weekend?
I'd like to sit down and talk about incorporating and brokering and buyer's
assisting.
neal
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket & RV BBQ June 6th At L45 Bakersfield Muni |
Harry,
I sure would love to come, it is 1600+ miles and 100 gals each way.
I don't think I can swing it.
Y'all have fun,
Jim Stone
Louisville KY
HRII
----- Original Message -----
From: rocketman
To: Boyd C. Braem
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:46 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Rocket & RV BBQ June 6th At L45 Bakersfield Muni
Mark your calendar June 6 Bakersfield EAA 71 fly-in Tri tip BBQ
Great food & friends & fun
Fun starts around 8:00AM
Food whenever
Friends who know who may show up
Harry Paine
266HP 500HRS sadly For Sale
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket & RV BBQ June 6th At L45 Bakersfield Muni |
Thanks Harry, me too. However comma, like Jim said it's a long haul (1900nm
) from The Swamp to L45, for one day of good BBQ! Not to say that wouldn't
bring me out...:)
Next year I'll bring some Gator to BBQ!SmokeyHR2
--
--- On Wed, 5/27/09, Jim Stone wrote:
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Rocket & RV BBQ June 6th At L45 Bakersfield Muni
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:58 PM
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6th At L45 Bakersfield Muni=0A
Mark your calendar June 6 Bakersfield EAA 71 =0A fly-in Tri tip BBQ
Great food & friends & fun
Fun starts =0A around 8:00AM
Food whenever
Friends who know who may show =0A up
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| From: | Wernerworld <russ(at)wernerworld.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket & RV BBQ June 6th At L45 Bakersfield Muni |
I can't make it either, as the airline stuffed a schedule down my throat
for June that didn't include that day off.
John, I'll be out your way sometime this summer and plan to call you
for a little golf.
Russ Werner
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Stone" <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | N141RH mishap (Harmon Rocket) |
I saw the damaged N141RH pictures in Barnstormers and was wondering what
caused this off field landing accident. Anyone know the story?
Thanks,
Jim Stone
Louisville KY
HRII
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: N141RH mishap (Harmon Rocket) |
| From: | "Wiley" <rdone(at)mac.com> |
News article...
http://www.katu.com/news/5429186.html
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246950#246950
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jack Hodge <jacksie31(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Llsters, Selling my HRII. I built it in 2001, 255... |
Llsters, Selling my HRII. I built it in 2001, 255hrs, beautiful, professional
paint, Performance Aero rebuilt eng, Dynon EFIS D10A, eng monitor and other
goodies. 100k, call for details. Jack Hodge, 951-662.9627
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall(at)gotsky.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Long post on the times/rockets |
Hey Rocketeers, It sure seems that a lot of rockets are up for sale these
days, is it just our age and we are slowing down, the wife looking at you
and saying its time for it to go ? Or is it because we all have flown a lot
at some of the very best times in aviation and we see a lot of BS coming
down the road and we are old enough to just say, I am sick and tired of
fighting with noise complainers, high gas prices, or Idiotic BS that is
starting to come out of TSA and other so called groups that think they have
a say into where and when we can traverse across an airport or where we can
fly. I checked (just) the experimental for sale ads on barnstormers and
there were 96 Pages of aircraft for sale. I just hope that there are lots of
people out there who might be interested in a good rocket otherwise a lot
are going to be sitting in hangars, which includes yours truly.
It probably doesn't help the sale of them when the owner of a ship puts the
remains up for sale amidst really nice for sale aircraft. Potential buyers
look at that and think these puppies are dangerous. Someone once said
aviation itself is not inherently dangerous, but fools need not apply. Blue
skies everyone. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Hodge" <jacksie31(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 10:04 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Llsters, Selling my HRII. I built it in 2001, 255...
>
>
> Llsters, Selling my HRII. I built it in 2001, 255hrs, beautiful,
> professional paint, Performance Aero rebuilt eng, Dynon EFIS D10A, eng
> monitor and other goodies. 100k, call for details. Jack Hodge,
> 951-662.9627
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows Live SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage.
> http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009
>
>
>
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| From: | rocketman <bluebird270(at)dslextreme.com> |
| Subject: | Back in the USSR! |
So tell me what does this mean for us peons?
As seen in AVweb
A total of 454 airports will be subject to the TSA's latest Security
Directive (SD-8G) restricting the movements of transient pilots,
<http://eaa.org/news/2009/2009-06-09_list.asp>EAA said this week. The
list includes airports in Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, American
Samoa, and Guam as well as in the U.S.
<http://eaa.org/news/2009/2009-06-09_tsa_airportlist.pdf>Click here
for the full list (PDF). The directive took effect June 1 and
requires pilots to "remain close to their aircraft," leaving it only
for trips to and from the FBO or airport exit,
<http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2009/090528tsa.html>according
to AOPA, although some airports may also offer escorts to transient pilots.
Since individual airports may develop a variety of programs that
would satisfy the TSA directive, pilots need to call ahead to their
destinations and ask the airport operator or an FBO on the field for
information about that airport's security requirements, EAA says. The
TSA is expected to provide future guidance regarding self-fueling and
emergencies. The full text of the security directive has not been
made public. The new listing of airports is not the same as a
<http://www.avweb.com/pdf/general_aviation_affected_airports_2009-01.pdf>list
of airports (PDF) released by the TSA in January for the Large
Aircraft Security Program.
<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1392-full.html#200528>CUSTOMS
AND BORDER PROTECTION JUSTIFIES RAMP CHECK
A spokeswoman for the Washington headquarters of U.S. Customs and
Border Protection (CBP) says the drawing of weapons in the ramp
inspection of an aircraft in Long Beach, Calif., last month was
justified but not "normal." Kelly Ivahnenko also told AVweb that
general aviation pilots can expect more ramp checks by CBP agents
thanks to the newly-instituted Electronic Advance Passenger
Information System (eAPIS). She stressed it's unlikely many of the
checks will have the level of intensity employed May 22 with Long
Beach, Calif., pilot David Perry and his three passengers. Ivahnenko
said in an interview on Tuesday that there was a "heightened alert"
involved in the Long Beach operation but she also said she could not
discuss the circumstances that led to a more aggressive posture than
normal by the CBP and local police. She also said that while eAPIS
had nothing to do with the Long Beach inspection, information
provided through eAPIS could result in more frequent GA inspections.
The system, which involves the online filing of flight and passenger
information for transborder flights, became mandatory on May 18. In
an
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/PilotProtestsCustomsCheck_200519-1.html>interview
and <http://www.avweb.com/alm?podcast20090608&kw=RelatedStory>podcast
with AVweb, Perry said he and his passengers were put in unnecessary
peril by gun-wielding enforcement officials. Ivahnenko stressed
Perry's experience is not what most pilots should expect if they're
checked by the CBP. "This I would not classify as common or routine,"
she said. She said the Long Beach action was justified, even though
the search turned up nothing illegal. "While the involvement of more
than one law enforcement agency and the heightened alert of the
situation were slightly unusual, it is within (CBP's) authority to
inspect inbound and outbound travelers, vehicles, planes, cargo,
etc.," she told AVweb. She also said that only the Long Beach police
officers assisting the operation actually drew weapons and CBP agents
kept theirs holstered, something Perry vehemently disputes. "Every
one of them had their weapons out," Perry said.
<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1392-full.html#200528>More...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rocketman <bluebird270(at)dslextreme.com> |
| Subject: | Back in the USSR! |
So tell me what does this mean for us peons?
As seen in AVweb
A total of 454 airports will be subject to the TSA's latest Security
Directive (SD-8G) restricting the movements of transient pilots,
<http://eaa.org/news/2009/2009-06-09_list.asp>EAA said this week. The
list includes airports in Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, American
Samoa, and Guam as well as in the U.S.
<http://eaa.org/news/2009/2009-06-09_tsa_airportlist.pdf>Click here
for the full list (PDF). The directive took effect June 1 and
requires pilots to "remain close to their aircraft," leaving it only
for trips to and from the FBO or airport exit,
<http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2009/090528tsa.html>according
to AOPA, although some airports may also offer escorts to transient pilots.
Since individual airports may develop a variety of programs that
would satisfy the TSA directive, pilots need to call ahead to their
destinations and ask the airport operator or an FBO on the field for
information about that airport's security requirements, EAA says. The
TSA is expected to provide future guidance regarding self-fueling and
emergencies. The full text of the security directive has not been
made public. The new listing of airports is not the same as a
<http://www.avweb.com/pdf/general_aviation_affected_airports_2009-01.pdf>list
of airports (PDF) released by the TSA in January for the Large
Aircraft Security Program.
<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1392-full.html#200528>CUSTOMS
AND BORDER PROTECTION JUSTIFIES RAMP CHECK
A spokeswoman for the Washington headquarters of U.S. Customs and
Border Protection (CBP) says the drawing of weapons in the ramp
inspection of an aircraft in Long Beach, Calif., last month was
justified but not "normal." Kelly Ivahnenko also told AVweb that
general aviation pilots can expect more ramp checks by CBP agents
thanks to the newly-instituted Electronic Advance Passenger
Information System (eAPIS). She stressed it's unlikely many of the
checks will have the level of intensity employed May 22 with Long
Beach, Calif., pilot David Perry and his three passengers. Ivahnenko
said in an interview on Tuesday that there was a "heightened alert"
involved in the Long Beach operation but she also said she could not
discuss the circumstances that led to a more aggressive posture than
normal by the CBP and local police. She also said that while eAPIS
had nothing to do with the Long Beach inspection, information
provided through eAPIS could result in more frequent GA inspections.
The system, which involves the online filing of flight and passenger
information for transborder flights, became mandatory on May 18. In
an
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/PilotProtestsCustomsCheck_200519-1.html>interview
and <http://www.avweb.com/alm?podcast20090608&kw=RelatedStory>podcast
with AVweb, Perry said he and his passengers were put in unnecessary
peril by gun-wielding enforcement officials. Ivahnenko stressed
Perry's experience is not what most pilots should expect if they're
checked by the CBP. "This I would not classify as common or routine,"
she said. She said the Long Beach action was justified, even though
the search turned up nothing illegal. "While the involvement of more
than one law enforcement agency and the heightened alert of the
situation were slightly unusual, it is within (CBP's) authority to
inspect inbound and outbound travelers, vehicles, planes, cargo,
etc.," she told AVweb. She also said that only the Long Beach police
officers assisting the operation actually drew weapons and CBP agents
kept theirs holstered, something Perry vehemently disputes. "Every
one of them had their weapons out," Perry said.
<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1392-full.html#200528>More...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Folks,
I am fuming mad.
The Long Beach action against private citizens is an atrocity. One can
understand if there were concerns for suspicious or dangerous persons on
that flight, but from all accounts this was a flight by all standards
similar to an outing with the family in one's automobile in the countryside.
Some brainless twit in Long Beach with a jackboot fetish decided to show his
or her prowess that day and ordered a full-scale scare initiative. I was
taught from childhood that you don't point a firearm at anybody unless you
are prepared to use it. There is no justification for assuming otherwise
with law enforcement.
Shame on Kelly Ivahnenko for defending this outrageous behavior of the rogue
priests of covert fascism. What would you have done, Kelly, if one of the
drawn weapons discharged accidentally? Or, suppose one of the passengers
lowered his hand to open the door or prevent from stumbling trying to get
out of the plane under extreme duress and one of the officers perceived that
as reaching for a weapon? I can already hear your sheepish and inadequate
response by extrapolating it from your answer here. What a shameful thing to
defend! Those who do not advocate for your dismissal and those at Long
Beach, for incompetence, is just as guilty.
Stressing that this experience is not what most pilots should expect when
they are checked by the CBP is a shameful and ignorant statement, insulting
everybody's intelligence including yours. Tell us, then, Kelly, what should
pilots expect when they are checked by the CBP? What percentage could expect
drawn weapons pointed at their parents or children that happen to be with
them that day? And don't say that it will happen only when there is
justified belief of a suspicious passenger or pilot involved because you
already defended an action where such prior knowledge was not present; on
the contrary, all indications were that there were no suspicious persons on
board that flight. If your agency embarked on a course to totally destroy
general aviation, you have certainly shown the methods by which you want to
accomplish that goal.
I would sue their friggin' pants off, Perry, not to inhibit legitimate
pursuit of security but to eradicate this and exactly this kind of tyranny.
Nico
_____
From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rocketman
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 7:22 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Back in the USSR!
So tell me what does this mean for us peons?
As seen in AVweb
A total of 454 airports will be subject to the TSA's latest Security
Directive (SD-8G) restricting the movements of transient pilots, EAA said
<http://eaa.org/news/2009/2009-06-09_list.asp> this week. The list includes
airports in Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and Guam as
well as in the U.S. Click here for
<http://eaa.org/news/2009/2009-06-09_tsa_airportlist.pdf> the full list
(PDF). The directive took effect June 1 and requires pilots to "remain close
to their aircraft," leaving it only for trips to and from the FBO or airport
exit, according to
<http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2009/090528tsa.html> AOPA, although
some airports may also offer escorts to transient pilots.
Since individual airports may develop a variety of programs that would
satisfy the TSA directive, pilots need to call ahead to their destinations
and ask the airport operator or an FBO on the field for information about
that airport's security requirements, EAA says. The TSA is expected to
provide future guidance regarding self-fueling and emergencies. The full
text of the security directive has not been made public. The new listing of
airports is not the same as a list
<http://www.avweb.com/pdf/general_aviation_affected_airports_2009-01.pdf> of
airports (PDF) released by the TSA in January for the Large Aircraft
Security Program.
CUSTOMS
<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1392-full.html#200528> AND
BORDER PROTECTION JUSTIFIES RAMP CHECK
A spokeswoman for the Washington headquarters of U.S. Customs and Border
Protection (CBP) says the drawing of weapons in the ramp inspection of an
aircraft in Long Beach, Calif., last month was justified but not "normal."
Kelly Ivahnenko also told AVweb that general aviation pilots can expect more
ramp checks by CBP agents thanks to the newly-instituted Electronic Advance
Passenger Information System (eAPIS). She stressed it's unlikely many of the
checks will have the level of intensity employed May 22 with Long Beach,
Calif., pilot David Perry and his three passengers. Ivahnenko said in an
interview on Tuesday that there was a "heightened alert" involved in the
Long Beach operation but she also said she could not discuss the
circumstances that led to a more aggressive posture than normal by the CBP
and local police. She also said that while eAPIS had nothing to do with the
Long Beach inspection, information provided through eAPIS could result in
more frequent GA inspections. The system, which involves the online filing
of flight and passenger information for transborder flights, became
mandatory on May 18. In an interview
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/PilotProtestsCustomsCheck_200519-1.htm
l> and podcast <http://www.avweb.com/alm?podcast20090608&kw=RelatedStory>
with AVweb, Perry said he and his passengers were put in unnecessary peril
by gun-wielding enforcement officials. Ivahnenko stressed Perry's experience
is not what most pilots should expect if they're checked by the CBP. "This I
would not classify as common or routine," she said. She said the Long Beach
action was justified, even though the search turned up nothing illegal.
"While the involvement of more than one law enforcement agency and the
heightened alert of the situation were slightly unusual, it is within
(CBP's) authority to inspect inbound and outbound travelers, vehicles,
planes, cargo, etc.," she told AVweb. She also said that only the Long Beach
police officers assisting the operation actually drew weapons and CBP agents
kept theirs holstered, something Perry vehemently disputes. "Every one of
them had their weapons out," Perry said. More...
<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1392-full.html#200528>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
> So tell me what does this mean for us peons?
>
>
It means elections have consequences.
Someone running for office recently said America is the greatest nation on earth.
Vote for me and I will give you change you can believe in.
Well change you got.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247933#247933
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | johntmey(at)aol.com |
General Aviation is in real trouble.
Issues are fuel, national insecurity, cost, public disinterest, public perception,
population pressure,
?demographic change, politics,?etc.
And there is no constitutional right to "bear transport"
(...as in 'right to bear arms")
I soloed in July 1961, age 16, and took this freedom (to fly) for granted during
most of my productive life.
Now, I'm too old to be an activist...
Just watching "it" slip away.
John Meyers HR II N5800
-----Original Message-----
From: N395V <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 13, 2009 6:29 am
Subject: Rocket-List: Re: Fuming Mad!
> So tell me what does this mean for us peons?
>
>
It means elections have consequences.
Someone running for office recently said America is the greatest nation on
earth. Vote for me and I will give you change you can believe in.
Well change you got.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247933#247933
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Speedy11(at)aol.com |
Nico is RIGHT.
We cannot stand for this.
The question is - what to do?
Stan Sutterfield
Folks,
I am fuming mad.
The Long Beach action against private citizens is an atrocity. One can
understand if there were concerns for suspicious or dangerous persons on
that flight, but from all accounts this was a flight by all standards
similar to an outing with the family in one's automobile in the
countryside.
Some brainless twit in Long Beach with a jackboot fetish decided to show
his
or her prowess that day and ordered a full-scale scare initiative. I was
taught from childhood that you don't point a firearm at anybody unless you
are prepared to use it. There is no justification for assuming otherwise
with law enforcement.
Shame on Kelly Ivahnenko for defending this outrageous behavior of the
rogue
priests of covert fascism. What would you have done, Kelly, if one of the
drawn weapons discharged accidentally? Or, suppose one of the passengers
lowered his hand to open the door or prevent from stumbling trying to get
out of the plane under extreme duress and one of the officers perceived
that
as reaching for a weapon? I can already hear your sheepish and inadequate
response by extrapolating it from your answer here. What a shameful thing
to
defend! Those who do not advocate for your dismissal and those at Long
Beach, for incompetence, is just as guilty.
Stressing that this experience is not what most pilots should expect when
they are checked by the CBP is a shameful and ignorant statement,
insulting
everybody's intelligence including yours. Tell us, then, Kelly, what should
pilots expect when they are checked by the CBP? What percentage could
expect
drawn weapons pointed at their parents or children that happen to be with
them that day? And don't say that it will happen only when there is
justified belief of a suspicious passenger or pilot involved because you
already defended an action where such prior knowledge was not present; on
the contrary, all indications were that there were no suspicious persons on
board that flight. If your agency embarked on a course to totally destroy
general aviation, you have certainly shown the methods by which you want to
accomplish that goal.
I would sue their friggin' pants off, Perry, not to inhibit legitimate
pursuit of security but to eradicate this and exactly this kind of
tyranny.
Nico
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| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/13/09 |
| From: | "rob mokry" <robmokry(at)covad.net> |
Nico - agreed!
Avweb has since it's inception been a brainless cheerleader for all things government
especially military and UAV's!
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| Subject: | RE: Rocket-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/13/09 |
| From: | "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> |
SNIP Now, I'm too old to be an activist...
Just watching "it" slip away.
SNIP
Dear Too Old (name withheld because this is aimed at everyone who hasn't
pissed off a congressman today),
As long as you have breath in your lungs, a keyboard in front of you,
and/or the ability to vote... you're NOT too old or too anything else to
be an activist!
Give 'em hell! Make noise, piss a few people off. Piss a lot of people
off! Do you think the other side is gonna quit until we're all too
tired, too old, too young, too busy to be an activist? NO! Those
bastards won't quit until we all walk around bleating like sheep.
No thanks.
Vince
I'm not ready to bleat yet
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| From: | "Bob & Toodie Marshall" <rtmarshall(at)gotsky.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Rocket-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/13/09 |
Way to go Vince! write, call, make a pest of yourself, Pelosi and Feinstein
catch my emails/phone calls monthly. never give up. they do not give a D ###
about anything other that their own power, It begins with We the People!!
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:32 PM
Subject: Rocket-List: RE: Rocket-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/13/09
SNIP Now, I'm too old to be an activist...
Just watching "it" slip away.
SNIP
Dear Too Old (name withheld because this is aimed at everyone who hasn't
pissed off a congressman today),
As long as you have breath in your lungs, a keyboard in front of you, and/or
the ability to vote... you're NOT too old or too anything else to be an
activist!
Give 'em hell! Make noise, piss a few people off. Piss a lot of people off!
Do you think the other side is gonna quit until we're all too tired, too
old, too young, too busy to be an activist? NO! Those bastards won't quit
until we all walk around bleating like sheep.
No thanks.
Vince
I'm not ready to bleat yet
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Commander-List: Fuming Mad! |
Hi Steve.
I am not complaining about the powers, I am complaining about the abuse of
those powers. Linking this abuse to the agencies, per se, just doesn't make
sense. The media ignoring the incident is the needle in the side and the
acceleration of the anger. Your local policeman has similar powers based
upon reasonable belief of a crime, which is a totally subjective call making
it nearly impossible to challenge. You can be locked up for several hours
without any cause whatsoever and you have no recourse at all. David Perry
and his passengers were detained for only about one hour, well within the
limit of ad hoc detention. I don't gripe about that. If you read my opinion
on the matter, you will see that I avoided the part where these officers
were within their rights; rights they did not acquire by any agency that was
created in '03 or any recent decade before that. Their abuse was with the
manner in which they executed their duties. Having firearms drawn on
civilians without cause is abuse of the highest order. This sets a decorum
of violence first, which is something that is totally foreign to the general
aviation community and in this country as a whole for that matter. Not even
police officers approaching suspicious vehicles during traffic stops draw
their guns. They are merely prepared to act quickly, which is reasonable.
Getting back to your local policeman. If he would arrest you at gunpoint
without any cause you would have a complaint of abuse, violating your civil
rights and unnecessarily endangering your life, which would be a legitimate
complaint and, in my (not always) humble opinion, something for which you
can sue.
The mere fact that they were released after only an hour's interrogation, is
clear proof that there was no cause and no prior information about the
pilot, the passengers or the plane or they would have been detained or at
least questioned for a longer period of time. Russ Niles' pathetic paint-job
of the incident in AvWeb is a disgrace.
Nico
The incident:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1392-full.html#200528
and Russ Niles' blog:
http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/GA_A_Soft_Target_For_Security_200535-1.ht
ml
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fuming Mad!
NIco,
What a mess.
Where on earth were the conservatives when these agencies were being formed?
This department was created back in '03 when all I ever heard out of
conservatives was whining about keeping us safe. That's all that was spoken
about. Creating these giant agencies, bypassing courts, bypassing
surveillance laws on citizens. All of this was done in the name of keeping
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