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April 27, 2010 - December 06, 2010



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From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 2010 Rocket Fly-in
Hi Guys-Any chance for a east coast Rocket gathering ...Maybe in Florida? --I'm finally-slowly getting my project moving .... I love building , but a ride in a HrII would probably shift it into high gear... Let see- FL-to CA in my sonex at 160 mph... and 300 mile range , not this year. =0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thb earing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "hr2pilo t(at)aol.com" =0ATo: rocket-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, April 26, 2010 3:00:20 PM=0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in=0A =0AThe Bakersfield EAA 71 fly-in well be on June 5 ( first sat in june)=0AJ ohn=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Rob Ray <smokyray@rock etmail.com>=0ATo: Rocket List =0ASent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 9:55 am=0ASubject: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in=0A=0A=0AHi Guys ,=0A=0A- Pretty quiet on the list these days! I was wondering if any of y ou knew the date for this years Rocket Gathering at John's? BTW, my trusty HR2 will click over 1000 hours this month, gotta like em!=0A=0ARob "Smokey" Ray=0AHR2=0A =0A=0A ================= =================== target=_blank >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List========= == tp://forums.matronics.com ============= ======================= _bla nk>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=========== ============ =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in Maybe I should take the hint and organize one eh? I'll need to find a bigge r place than my home drome, "The Swamp"- :) Hmmmmm... Smokey --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Daniel Weseman wrote: From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in =0AHi Guys-Any chance for a east coast Rocket gathering ...Maybe in Flori da?--I'm finally-slowly getting my project moving .... I love buildin g , but a ride in a HrII would probably shift it into high gear... Let see - FL-to CA in my sonex at 160 mph... and 300 mile range , not this year . -Dan Weseman danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com =0A =0A =0A=0A=0AFrom: "hr2pilot(at)aol.com" <hr2pilot(at)aol.com> Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 3:00:20 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in =0AThe Bakersfield EAA 71 fly-in well be on June 5 ( first sat in june)=0AJ ohn =0A =0A-----Original Message----- From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 9:55 am Subject: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Guys, - Pretty quiet on the list these days! I was wondering if any of you knew the date for this years Rocket Gathering at John's? BTW, my trusty HR2 wil l click over 1000 hours this month, gotta like em! Rob "Smokey" Ray HR2 =========== target=_blank>http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Rocket-List=========== tp://forums.m atronics.com =========== _blank>http://www.matronic s.com/contribution=========== t utilities such as List = =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ From: John Harmon <hr2pilot(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in I thank he was looking for a ride, Rob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Rob Ray wrote: > Maybe I should take the hint and organize one eh? I'll need to find > a bigger place than my home drome, "The Swamp" :) > > Hmmmmm... > Smokey > > > --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Daniel Weseman wrote: > > From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 6:12 PM > > Hi Guys Any chance for a east coast Rocket gathering ...Maybe in > Florida? I'm finally slowly getting my project moving .... I love > building , but a ride in a HrII would probably shift it into high > gear... Let see FL to CA in my sonex at 160 mph... and 300 mile > range , not this year. > > Dan Weseman > danweseman(at)yahoo.com > www.flycleanex.com > www.fly5thbearing.com > > > From: "hr2pilot(at)aol.com" <hr2pilot(at)aol.com> > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 3:00:20 PM > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in > > The Bakersfield EAA 71 fly-in well be on June 5 ( first sat in june) > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> > To: Rocket List > Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 9:55 am > Subject: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in > > Hi Guys, > > Pretty quiet on the list these days! I was wondering if any of you > knew the date for this years Rocket Gathering at John's? BTW, my > trusty HR2 will click over 1000 hours this month, gotta like em! > > Rob "Smokey" Ray > HR2 > > =========== target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List=========== > tp://forums.matronics.com =========== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution========== > t utilities such as List > > > htt--> > > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 27, 2010
From: careytn(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Rocket-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/26/10
Rocketeers -- apologies for error below: the Culpeper Airport Air Fest is Saturday, October 9 this year, not 19. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: careytn(at)comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:15:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Rocket-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/26/10 Hello Rocketeers, from Manassas VA / KHEF -- Been admiring Rockets for several years now, have had three great back-seat rides courtesy Jim Stone, Phil Matthews, George Fisher, hope to join your ranks soon! Jim Winings and Tom Powers now providing priceless background information to a guy who's never owned a plane, much less an Experimental, much less a Rocket. As to an East Coast Rocket get-together, hoping to own my own in time to fly into the annual Become a Pilot Family Day and Aviation Display June 19, at the Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Museum, KIAD (google: become a pilot family day udvar-hazy) . However, realize flying into the DC Special Flight Rules Area / SFRA is not that much fun for most folks. So, another Virginia alternative would be the annual Culpeper Airport Air Fest, Oct 19 (google: C ulpeper Airport Air Fest ). It's a great little airport, with CAF squadron on the field, and usually features Harrier and multiple other warbird demos. I know bunch of folks there -- they'd be totally pumped to see Rockets on the ramp. Hope to join your illustrious group soon -- Tim Carey Dulles Aviation, Inc., KHEF VA Wing Civil Air Patrol, KHEF USAF, Retired ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocket-List Digest Server" <rocket-list(at)matronics.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:47:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Rocket-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/26/10 * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete Rocket-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Rocket-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-04-26&Archive=Rocket Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-04-26&Archive=Rocket ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ ---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/26/10: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:04 AM - 2010 Rocket Fly-in (Rob Ray) 2. 12:02 PM - Re: 2010 Rocket Fly-in (hr2pilot(at)aol.com) 3. 12:54 PM - Re: 2010 Rocket Fly-in (Rob Ray) 4. 06:13 PM - Re: 2010 Rocket Fly-in (Daniel Weseman) 5. 08:04 PM - Re: 2010 Rocket Fly-in (Rob Ray) 6. 08:25 PM - Re: 2010 Rocket Fly-in (John Harmon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> Subject: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in Hi Guys, - Pretty quiet on the list these days! I was wondering if any of you knew the date for this years Rocket Gathering at John's? BTW, my trusty HR2 wil l click over 1000 hours this month, gotta like em! Rob "Smokey" Ray HR2 =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in From: hr2pilot(at)aol.com The Bakersfield EAA 71 fly-in well be on June 5 ( first sat in june) John -----Original Message----- From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 9:55 am Subject: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in Hi Guys, Pretty quiet on the list these days! I was wondering if any of you knew the date for this years Rocket Gathering at John's? BTW, my trusty HR2 wi ll click over 1000 hours this month, gotta like em! Rob "Smokey" Ray HR2 ======================== =========== -= - The Rocket-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in Thanks sir! --- On Mon, 4/26/10, hr2pilot(at)aol.com wrote: From: hr2pilot(at)aol.com <hr2pilot(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in =0AThe Bakersfield EAA 71 fly-in well be on June 5 ( first sat in june)=0A =0A=0AJohn =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0AFrom: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> =0ATo: Rocket List =0ASent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 9:55 am =0ASubject: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Guys, =0A =0A- Pretty quiet on the list these days! I was wondering if any of you k new the date for this years Rocket Gathering at John's? BTW, my trusty HR2 will click over 1000 hours this month, gotta like em! =0A =0ARob "Smokey" Ray =0AHR2 =0A =0A target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in Hi Guys-Any chance for a east coast Rocket gathering ...Maybe in Florida? --I'm finally-slowly getting my project moving .... I love building , but a ride in a HrII would probably shift it into high gear... Let see- FL-to CA in my sonex at 160 mph... and 300 mile range , not this year. =0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thb earing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "hr2pilo t(at)aol.com" =0ATo: rocket-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, April 26, 2010 3:00:20 PM=0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in=0A =0AThe Bakersfield EAA 71 fly-in well be on June 5 ( first sat in june)=0AJ ohn=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Rob Ray <smokyray@rock etmail.com>=0ATo: Rocket List =0ASent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 9:55 am=0ASubject: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in=0A=0A=0AHi Guys ,=0A=0A- Pretty quiet on the list these days! I was wondering if any of y ou knew the date for this years Rocket Gathering at John's? BTW, my trusty HR2 will click over 1000 hours this month, gotta like em!=0A=0ARob "Smokey" Ray=0AHR2=0A =0A=0A ================= =================== target=_blank >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List========= == tp://forums.matronics.com ============= ======================= _bla nk>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=========== ============ =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in Maybe I should take the hint and organize one eh? I'll need to find a bigge r place than my home drome, "The Swamp"- :) Hmmmmm... Smokey --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Daniel Weseman wrote: From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in =0AHi Guys-Any chance for a east coast Rocket gathering ...Maybe in Flori da?--I'm finally-slowly getting my project moving .... I love buildin g , but a ride in a HrII would probably shift it into high gear... Let see - FL-to CA in my sonex at 160 mph... and 300 mile range , not this year . -Dan Weseman danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com =0A =0A =0A=0A=0AFrom: "hr2pilot(at)aol.com" <hr2pilot(at)aol.com> Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 3:00:20 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in =0AThe Bakersfield EAA 71 fly-in well be on June 5 ( first sat in june)=0AJ ohn =0A =0A-----Original Message----- From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 9:55 am Subject: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi Guys, - Pretty quiet on the list these days! I was wondering if any of you knew the date for this years Rocket Gathering at John's? BTW, my trusty HR2 wil l click over 1000 hours this month, gotta like em! Rob "Smokey" Ray HR2 =========== target=_blank>http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Rocket-List=========== tp://forums.m atronics.com =========== _blank>http://www.matronic s.com/contribution=========== t utilities such as List = =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ From: John Harmon <hr2pilot(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in I thank he was looking for a ride, Rob Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Rob Ray wrote: > Maybe I should take the hint and organize one eh? I'll need to find > a bigger place than my home drome, "The Swamp" :) > > Hmmmmm... > Smokey > > > --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Daniel Weseman wrote: > > From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 6:12 PM > > Hi Guys Any chance for a east coast Rocket gathering ...Maybe in > Florida? I'm finally slowly getting my project moving .... I love > building , but a ride in a HrII would probably shift it into high > gear... Let see FL to CA in my sonex at 160 mph... and 300 mile > range , not this year. > > Dan Weseman > danweseman(at)yahoo.com > www.flycleanex.com > www.fly5thbearing.com > > > From: "hr2pilot(at)aol.com" <hr2pilot(at)aol.com> > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 3:00:20 PM > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in > > The Bakersfield EAA 71 fly-in well be on June 5 ( first sat in june) > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> > To: Rocket List > Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 9:55 am > Subject: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in > > Hi Guys, > > Pretty quiet on the list these days! I was wondering if any of you > knew the date for this years Rocket Gathering at John's? BTW, my > trusty HR2 will click over 1000 hours this month, gotta like em! > > Rob "Smokey" Ray > HR2 > > =========== target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List=========== > tp://forums.matronics.com =========== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution========== > t utilities such as List > > > htt--> > > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution _- > =========================================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 27, 2010
Subject: Re: 2010 Rocket Fly-in
From: Ernest Hale <ernest(at)flmitigation.com>
I am in Jacksonville, if you get a rocket FL fly in let me know. Ernest On 4/27/10 3:58 PM, "Rob Ray" wrote: > John, looks like he will get a ride and a fly-in too! Hey, if I sent you a > pass on Southwest to come to a FL Rocket fly-in, would you be interested? > Smokey > > --- On Mon, 4/26/10, John Harmon wrote: >> >> From: John Harmon <hr2pilot(at)aol.com> >> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in >> To: "rocket-list(at)matronics.com" >> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 8:24 PM >> >> I thank he was looking for a ride, Rob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Rob Ray > > wrote: >> >>> Maybe I should take the hint and organize one eh? I'll need to find a bigger >>> place than my home drome, "The Swamp" :) >>> >>> Hmmmmm... >>> Smokey >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Daniel Weseman >> > wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com >>>> > >>>> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in >>>> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com >>>> >>>> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 6:12 PM >>>> >>>> Hi Guys Any chance for a east coast Rocket gathering ...Maybe in Florida? >>>> I'm finally slowly getting my project moving .... I love building , but a >>>> ride in a HrII would probably shift it into high gear... Let see FL to CA >>>> in my sonex at 160 mph... and 300 mile range , not this year. >>>> >>>> Dan Weseman >>>> danweseman(at)yahoo.com >>>> www.flycleanex.com >>>> www.fly5thbearing.com >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "hr2pilot(at)aol.com" <hr2pilot(at)aol.com> >>>> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com >>>> Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 3:00:20 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in >>>> >>>> The Bakersfield EAA 71 fly-in well be on June 5 ( first sat in june) >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> >>>> To: Rocket List >>>> Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 9:55 am >>>> Subject: Rocket-List: 2010 Rocket Fly-in >>>> >>>> Hi Guys, >>>> >>>> Pretty quiet on the list these days! I was wondering if any of you knew >>>> the date for this years Rocket Gathering at John's? BTW, my trusty HR2 will >>>> click over 1000 hours this month, gotta like em! >>>> >>>> Rob "Smokey" Ray >>>> HR2 >>>> >>>> ========== >>>> target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List========== >>>> tp://forums.matronics.com ========== >>>> _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution========== >>>> t utilities such as List >>>> = >>>> >>>> htt--> <http://forums.matronic --> >>>> >>>> <http://forums.matronic --> >>>> <http://forums.matronic --> >>> <http://forums.matronic --> >>> >>> >>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronihref >>> ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List> --> >>> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution> >>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== >>> http://www.matro=================== >>> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Electronic Circuit Breakers on your EFIS
From: "marcausman" <marc(at)verticalpower.com>
Date: May 11, 2010
Vertical Power, along with its EFIS partners, recently announced the VP-X Electronic Circuit Breaker System. The VP-X uses proven electronic circuit breakers to simplify wiring and provide advanced electrical system capabilities. Monitor the status of individual devices and the entire electrical system right from your EFIS. Avionics, lights, trim, and flaps can all be controlled using standard switches or the EFIS. The VP-X works with Advanced Flight Systems, Grand Rapids Technologies HX and HX Sport, and MGL Voyager/Odyssey Gen 2 EFIS products. Click to learn more. http://www.verticalpower.com/VPX.html -------- Marc Ausman http://www.verticalpower.com "Move up to a modern electrical system" RV-7 IO-390 Flying Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297361#297361 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net>
Subject: AEIO-540 Parallel Valve Engine For Sale
Date: May 19, 2010
Anybody follow the Red Bull Air Races the last couple of years, Mike Mangold has his spare engine from his race days for sale. 5 hours since Performance Engines rebuild. 320 HP, 10:1 machined ECI pistons and cylinders Narrow deck. Lots of extras. I am not on the RV-10 list, so would someone please let them know that this engine is available. He was asking 38,000 but has dropped to 36,000 USD. (Claims to have over 45,000 in the engine) If there is any interest, I can copy and sent a PDF of the description of all the engine components and the contact info for Mike. The engine is "preserved" and has a large wooden crate for shipping and is located at Apple Valley (APV), CA. Tom "GummiBear" Gummo Harmon Rocket II N561FS 375 hours and still smiling Air Boss for the Sept 25, 2010 Apple Valley Air Show ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: WTT: Engine mounting ears
From: "Space Cadet" <Dwight(at)Drefs.net>
Date: May 20, 2010
I've got an RV-10 and have an IO540-C4B5 from a working Aztec with the larger mounting ears I understand Rocket's need. I'll trade for the smaller ears I need. Call me if interested, I need to decide quickly. Thanks, Dwight (714) 658-9163 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298327#298327 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: May 23, 2010
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Dan and Danny, I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is not too far a drive for you. If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I can put you in touch with the guys. Stan Sutterfield RV-8A finished in Jun 09 www.rv-8a.net Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traffic her e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www .flycleanex.com Im sure i will have many questions =0A-Dan Weseman ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Hi Stan ,-By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a-25 minute flight in my current-homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL builders , feel free to foward my info or-put me in touch . Thanks =0A-=0ADan Weseman=0A904 529 9562=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex .com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________ _=0AFrom: "Speedy11(at)aol.com" <Speedy11(at)aol.com>=0ATo: rocket-list@matronics .com; danweseman(at)yahoo.com=0ASent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM=0ASubject: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder=0A=0A=0A=0ADan and Danny,=0AI saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rock et builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is not too f ar a drive for you.=0AIf you're interested in driving over to see the proje cts, let me know and I can put you in touch with the guys.=0AStan Sutterfie ld=0ARV-8A finished in Jun 09=0Awww.rv-8a.net=0AHi all Im new to the list ( about a week) and have not seen much traffic her=0A>e? Im building a HRII#4 85 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha=0A>ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www=0A>.flycleanex.com -======================== ============0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Dan, Youre always welcome to look over my "classic" HR2 for building tips, maybe a Jax area Rocket fly-in is in order:) to quote John "everywhere is close when you have a Harmon Rocket"! Smokey Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Daniel Weseman wrote: Hi Stan , By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a 25 minute flight in my current homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL builders , feel free to foward my info or put me in touch . Thanks Dan Weseman 904 529 9562 danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com From: "Speedy11(at)aol.com" <Speedy11(at)aol.com> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM Subject: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Dan and Danny, I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is not too far a drive for you. If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I can put you in touch with the guys. Stan Sutterfield RV-8A finished in Jun 09 www.rv-8a.net Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traffic her e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www .flycleanex.com Im sure i will have many questions =0A-Dan Weseman ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Ok A North FL-Rocket flyin is on ! I dont think i will-have time to do it pre Oshkosh though-So how about early fall? That brings up ...what dos e the Rocket group do at Oshkosh ? I will see what works and get it going. Roby I would love to fly down in the next few weeks and take a bunch of pho tos of various details? Thanks=0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Aww w.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________ _____________=0AFrom: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>=0ATo: "rocket-list@ matronics.com" =0ASent: Sun, May 23, 2010 7:37:2 6 PM=0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder=0A=0A=0ADan,=0A- -Youre always welcome to look over my "classic" HR2 for building tips, ma ybe a Jax area Rocket fly-in is in order:) to quote John "everywhere is clo se when you have a Harmon Rocket"!=0ASmokey=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AO n May 23, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Daniel Weseman wrote:=0A =0A=0AHi Stan ,-By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a -25 minute flight in my current-homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL builders , feel free to foward my info or-put me in touch . Thanks=0A>-=0A>Dan Weseman=0A>904 529 9562=0A>danweseman(at)yahoo.com=0A>www .flycleanex.com=0A>www.fly5thbearing.com =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A___________ _____________________=0AFrom: "Speedy11(at)aol.com" <Speedy11(at)aol.com>=0A>To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com; danweseman(at)yahoo.com=0A>Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM=0A>Subject: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Dan and Danny,=0A>I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is not too far a drive for you.=0A>If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I can put you in touch wi th the guys.=0A>Stan Sutterfield=0A>RV-8A finished in Jun 09=0A>www.rv-8a.n et=0A>Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traff ic her=0A>>e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of J ax FL At ha=0A>>ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www=0A>>.flycleanex.com Im sure i will have many questions = ======0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2010
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
From: Ernest Hale <ernest(at)flmitigation.com>
I am in Jax, let me know if you plan a get together. Ernest Hale N540HB On 5/23/10 7:37 PM, "Rob Ray" wrote: > Dan, > Youre always welcome to look over my "classic" HR2 for building tips, maybe > a Jax area Rocket fly-in is in order:) to quote John "everywhere is close when > you have a Harmon Rocket"! > Smokey > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 23, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Daniel Weseman wrote: > >> Hi Stan , By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a 25 minute >> flight in my current homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL >> builders , feel free to foward my info or put me in touch . Thanks >> >> Dan Weseman >> >> 904 529 9562 >> danweseman(at)yahoo.com >> www.flycleanex.com >> www.fly5thbearing.com >> >> >> >> >> From: "Speedy11(at)aol.com" <Speedy11(at)aol.com> >> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com; danweseman(at)yahoo.com >> >> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM >> Subject: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder >> >> >> Dan and Danny, >> I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are >> several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is >> not too far a drive for you. >> If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I >> can put you in touch with the guys. >> Stan Sutterfield >> RV-8A finished in Jun 09 >> www.rv-8a.net <http://www.rv-8a.net> >>> Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traffic her >>> e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha >>> ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www >>> .flycleanex.com <http://flycleanex.com> Im sure i >>> will have many questions =0A-Dan Weseman >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Date: May 23, 2010
From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com>
I'm hoping to have N14ZM back together and flying in the next 2 weeks or so. A short trip North would be a good shake down. Danny Melnik F1 N14ZM Rocket Factory Melbourne, FL -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Hale <ernest(at)flmitigation.com> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 8:49 pm Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder I am in Jax, let me know if you plan a get together. Ernest Hale N540HB On 5/23/10 7:37 PM, "Rob Ray" wrote: Dan, Youre always welcome to look over my "classic" HR2 for building tips, ma ybe a Jax area Rocket fly-in is in order:) to quote John "everywhere is cl ose when you have a Harmon Rocket"! Smokey Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Daniel Weseman wrote: Hi Stan , By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a 25 min ute flight in my current homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL builders , feel free to foward my info or put me in touch . Thanks Dan Weseman 904 529 9562 danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com From: "Speedy11(at)aol.com" <Speedy11(at)aol.com> oo.com> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM Subject: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Dan and Danny, I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - whic h is not too far a drive for you. If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I can put you in touch with the guys. Stan Sutterfield RV-8A finished in Jun 09 www.rv-8a.net <http://www.rv-8a.net> Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traffic he r e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at ww w .flycleanex.com <http://flycleanex.com> Im sure i will have many questions =0A-Dan Weseman Email Forum - ist">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List ; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com ;- List Contribution Web Site - ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== =========== -= - The Rocket-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 23, 2010
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>
Danny: Hadn't heard that you had your airplane "down". What did you do to it? Lee... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Date: May 24, 2010
From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com>
I pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffener s and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moment s with the tail shake. With the recent incident in CA I decided it was tim e to try and fix things. While I had it apart I've up dated the GPS, autop ilot and changed the stick to 4130. Danny Melnik F1 N14ZM Rocket Factory Melbourne, FL -----Original Message----- From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:57 pm Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Danny: Hadn't heard that you had your airplane "down". What did you do to it? Lee... ======================== =========== -= - The Rocket-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Hi-Danny can you describe the "tail shake" and how when it occurred? Also -could you detail your "upgrades" to the tail components ? I have a nice -4 empenage-with .020 control surface skins. I was considering several- reinforcements to the the horizontal and vertical spars / skins , so any in fo would be great. I have heard the term "tail shake" but couldnt find any info on how it happens-etc and how to fix it other than use .020 control surface skins ? Thanks for any-advice / pictures =0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanw eseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: Danny <vft(at)aol.com>=0ATo: rocke t-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:27:15 AM=0ASubject: Re: R ocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder=0A=0AI pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffeners and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moments with the tail shake. With the recen t incident in CA I decided it was time to try and fix things. While I had i t apart I've up dated the GPS, autopilot and changed the stick to 4130.=0A =0A=0ADanny Melnik =0AF1 N14ZM =0ARocket Factory =0AMelbourne, FL=0A=0A=0A- ----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: rocket-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:57 pm=0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder=0A=0A=0ADanny: -Hadn't heard that yo u had your airplane "down". -What did you do to it?=0A=0ALee...-=0A =========== target=_blank>http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Rocket-List================= =================== tp://forums.matr onics.com ===================== =============== _blank>http://www.matronics. com/contribution=================== ======================== _ ===== =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: May 24, 2010
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Yes - Spruce Creek. I didn't know you already had a flying plane. Hop down sometime. There are several HRs here and at least two Rockets under construction. There's a nice restaurant on the airport that serves a great meal - breakfast, lunch or dinner. So, the trip is worthwhile even if you don't see any Rockets (but you will). I'm on vacation this week and could show you around Tues or Wed afternoon. Regards, Stan Sutterfield 813-732-7369 Hi Stan ,-By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a-25 minute flight in my current-homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL builders , feel free to foward my info or-put me in touch . Thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rocket-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 05/23/10
From: robmokry(at)covad.net
Date: May 24, 2010
Young Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Rocket-List Digest Server <rocket-list(at)matronics.com> Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 23:59:13 Subject: Rocket-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 05/23/10 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Rocket-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Rocket-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-05-23&Archive=Rocket Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-05-23&Archive=Rocket =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Rocket-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/23/10: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:57 AM - Re: New Rocket Builder (Speedy11(at)aol.com) 2. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: New Rocket Builder (Daniel Weseman) 3. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: New Rocket Builder (Rob Ray) 4. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: New Rocket Builder (Daniel Weseman) 5. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: New Rocket Builder (Ernest Hale) 6. 07:32 PM - Re: Re: New Rocket Builder (Danny) 7. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: New Rocket Builder (Lee Logan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: Speedy11(at)aol.com Subject: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Dan and Danny, I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is not too far a drive for you. If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I can put you in touch with the guys. Stan Sutterfield RV-8A finished in Jun 09 www.rv-8a.net Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traffic her e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www .flycleanex.com Im sure i will have many questions =0A-Dan Weseman ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Hi Stan ,-By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a-25 minute flight in my current-homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL builders , feel free to foward my info or-put me in touch . Thanks =0A-=0ADan Weseman=0A904 529 9562=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex .com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________ _=0AFrom: "Speedy11(at)aol.com" <Speedy11(at)aol.com>=0ATo: rocket-list@matronics .com; danweseman(at)yahoo.com=0ASent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM=0ASubject: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder=0A=0A=0A=0ADan and Danny,=0AI saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rock et builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is not too f ar a drive for you.=0AIf you're interested in driving over to see the proje cts, let me know and I can put you in touch with the guys.=0AStan Sutterfie ld=0ARV-8A finished in Jun 09=0Awww.rv-8a.net=0AHi all Im new to the list ( about a week) and have not seen much traffic her=0A>e? Im building a HRII#4 85 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha=0A>ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www=0A>.flycleanex.com -======================= ============0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Dan, Youre always welcome to look over my "classic" HR2 for building tips, maybe a Jax area Rocket fly-in is in order:) to quote John "everywhere is close when you have a Harmon Rocket"! Smokey Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Daniel Weseman wrote: Hi Stan , By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a 25 minute flight in my current homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL builders , feel free to foward my info or put me in touch . Thanks Dan Weseman 904 529 9562 danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com From: "Speedy11(at)aol.com" <Speedy11(at)aol.com> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM Subject: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Dan and Danny, I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is not too far a drive for you. If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I can put you in touch with the guys. Stan Sutterfield RV-8A finished in Jun 09 www.rv-8a.net Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traffic her e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www .flycleanex.com Im sure i will have many questions =0A-Dan Weseman ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Ok A North FL-Rocket flyin is on ! I dont think i will-have time to do it pre Oshkosh though-So how about early fall? That brings up ...what dos e the Rocket group do at Oshkosh ? I will see what works and get it going. Roby I would love to fly down in the next few weeks and take a bunch of pho tos of various details? Thanks=0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Aww w.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________ _____________=0AFrom: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>=0ATo: "rocket-list@ matronics.com" =0ASent: Sun, May 23, 2010 7:37:2 6 PM=0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder=0A=0A=0ADan,=0A- -Youre always welcome to look over my "classic" HR2 for building tips, ma ybe a Jax area Rocket fly-in is in order:) to quote John "everywhere is clo se when you have a Harmon Rocket"!=0ASmokey=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AO n May 23, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Daniel Weseman wrote:=0A =0A=0AHi Stan ,-By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a -25 minute flight in my current-homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL builders , feel free to foward my info or-put me in touch . Thanks=0A>-=0A>Dan Weseman=0A>904 529 9562=0A>danweseman(at)yahoo.com=0A>www .flycleanex.com=0A>www.fly5thbearing.com =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A___________ _____________________=0AFrom: "Speedy11(at)aol.com" <Speedy11(at)aol.com>=0A>To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com; danweseman(at)yahoo.com=0A>Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM=0A>Subject: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Dan and Danny,=0A>I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is not too far a drive for you.=0A>If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I can put you in touch wi th the guys.=0A>Stan Sutterfield=0A>RV-8A finished in Jun 09=0A>www.rv-8a.n et=0A>Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traff ic her=0A>>e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of J ax FL At ha=0A>>ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www=0A>>.flycleanex.com Im sure i will have many questions ======0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder From: Ernest Hale <ernest(at)flmitigation.com> I am in Jax, let me know if you plan a get together. Ernest Hale N540HB On 5/23/10 7:37 PM, "Rob Ray" wrote: > Dan, > Youre always welcome to look over my "classic" HR2 for building tips, maybe > a Jax area Rocket fly-in is in order:) to quote John "everywhere is close when > you have a Harmon Rocket"! > Smokey > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 23, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Daniel Weseman wrote: > >> Hi Stan , By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a 25 minute >> flight in my current homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL >> builders , feel free to foward my info or put me in touch . Thanks >> >> Dan Weseman >> >> 904 529 9562 >> danweseman(at)yahoo.com >> www.flycleanex.com >> www.fly5thbearing.com >> >> >> >> >> From: "Speedy11(at)aol.com" <Speedy11(at)aol.com> >> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com; danweseman(at)yahoo.com >> >> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM >> Subject: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder >> >> >> Dan and Danny, >> I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are >> several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - which is >> not too far a drive for you. >> If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I >> can put you in touch with the guys. >> Stan Sutterfield >> RV-8A finished in Jun 09 >> www.rv-8a.net <http://www.rv-8a.net> >>> Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traffic her >>> e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha >>> ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at www >>> .flycleanex.com <http://flycleanex.com> Im sure i >>> will have many questions =0A-Dan Weseman >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com> I'm hoping to have N14ZM back together and flying in the next 2 weeks or so. A short trip North would be a good shake down. Danny Melnik F1 N14ZM Rocket Factory Melbourne, FL -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Hale <ernest(at)flmitigation.com> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 8:49 pm Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder I am in Jax, let me know if you plan a get together. Ernest Hale N540HB On 5/23/10 7:37 PM, "Rob Ray" wrote: Dan, Youre always welcome to look over my "classic" HR2 for building tips, ma ybe a Jax area Rocket fly-in is in order:) to quote John "everywhere is cl ose when you have a Harmon Rocket"! Smokey Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Daniel Weseman wrote: Hi Stan , By port Orange i guess you mean spruce creek? its about a 25 min ute flight in my current homebuilt. I would love to get in touch with any FL builders , feel free to foward my info or put me in touch . Thanks Dan Weseman 904 529 9562 danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com From: "Speedy11(at)aol.com" <Speedy11(at)aol.com> oo.com> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:56:27 AM Subject: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Dan and Danny, I saw your post in Feb and just sending a note to let you know there are several Rocket builders and several flying versions at Port Orange - whic h is not too far a drive for you. If you're interested in driving over to see the projects, let me know and I can put you in touch with the guys. Stan Sutterfield RV-8A finished in Jun 09 www.rv-8a.net <http://www.rv-8a.net> Hi all Im new to the list (about a week) and have not seen much traffic he r e? Im building a HRII#485 from RV -4 kit #771. I live south of Jax FL At ha ller Airpark (7FL4) This is my second project . You can see my first at ww w .flycleanex.com <http://flycleanex.com> Im sure i will have many questions =0A-Dan Weseman Email Forum - ist">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List ; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com ;- List Contribution Web Site - ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================= ========== -= - The Rocket-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List - -======================= ======================= ========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================= ======================= ========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================= ======================= ========== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com> Danny: Hadn't heard that you had your airplane "down". What did you do to it? Lee... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com>
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Date: May 24, 2010
I'm still building my first HR-II, so I don't have any real-life experience with tail shake. However, based on information from the F1 blog, I have added HS skin stiffeners and a HS spar reinforcement to the thick-skinned -4 tail. Here are the details: http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/empennage.htm Vern Little RV-9A (flying 4+ years) HR-II (getting ready to close wings and fuselage) From: Daniel Weseman Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Hi Danny can you describe the "tail shake" and how when it occurred? Also could you detail your "upgrades" to the tail components ? I have a nice -4 empenage with .020 control surface skins. I was considering several reinforcements to the the horizontal and vertical spars / skins , so any info would be great. I have heard the term "tail shake" but couldnt find any info on how it happens etc and how to fix it other than use .020 control surface skins ? Thanks for any advice / pictures Dan Weseman danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com> Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:27:15 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder I pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffeners and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moments with the tail shake. With the recent incident in CA I decided it was time to try and fix things. While I had it apart I've up dated the GPS, autopilot and changed the stick to 4130. Danny Melnik F1 N14ZM Rocket Factory Melbourne, FL -----Original Message----- From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:57 pm Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Danny: Hadn't heard that you had your airplane "down". What did you do to it? Lee... =========== target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List==== ======= tp://forums.matronics.com =========== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution========== = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:26:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: rocket tails
Hi Vern , I looked over your page a few months ago when this topic came up ! I plan to do the mods-basicly as you did , plus a few others ive seen . When you say thick skinned tail which skins are thicker ? my control surfac es are .020 and my VS-and HS skins are .032 ? -How do you get on the F- 1 list ?-Thanks =0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex .com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________ _=0AFrom: Vern Little <sprocket@vx-aviation.com>=0ATo: rocket-list@matronic s.com=0ASent: Mon, May 24, 2010 2:32:06 PM=0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder=0A=0A=0AI'm still building my first HR-II, so I don't ha ve any real-life experience with tail shake.- However, based on informati on from the F1 blog, I have added HS skin stiffeners and a HS spar reinforc ement to the thick-skinned -4 tail.=0AHere are the details: http://www.vx-a viation.com/sprocket/empennage.htm=0A-=0AVern Little=0ARV-9A (flying 4+ y ears)=0AHR-II (getting ready to close wings and fuselage)=0A=0A=0AFrom: Dan iel Weseman =0ASent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:15 AM=0ATo: rocket-list@matron ics.com =0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder=0A=0AHi-Danny can you describe the "tail shake" and how when it occurred? Also-could y ou detail your "upgrades" to the tail components ? I have a nice -4 empenag e-with .020 control surface skins. I was considering several-reinforcem ents to the the horizontal and vertical spars / skins , so any info would b e great. I have heard the term "tail shake" but couldnt find any info on ho w it happens-etc and how to fix it other than use .020 control surface sk ins ? Thanks for any-advice / pictures =0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman@yah oo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________ ________________________=0AFrom: Danny <vft(at)aol.com>=0ATo: rocket-list@matr onics.com=0ASent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:27:15 AM=0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder=0A=0AI pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffeners and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moments with the tail shake. With the recent incident in CA I decided it was time to try and fix things. While I had it apart I'v e up dated the GPS, autopilot and changed the stick to 4130.=0A=0A=0ADanny Melnik =0AF1 N14ZM =0ARocket Factory =0AMelbourne, FL=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: rocket-list@ matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:57 pm=0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List : Re: New Rocket Builder=0A=0A=0ADanny: -Hadn't heard that you had your a irplane "down". -What did you do to it?=0A=0ALee...-=0A ==== ======= target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? Rocket-List=========== tp://forums.matronics.com =========== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribu =========================0A ========0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" >http://www.matronics.com/c=0A=0A________________________________=0ARelease Date: 05/24/10 06:26:00=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Dan, I have never had tail shake on my HR2 nor have I ever heard of it on an HR2 with RV4 empennage. Mine is an early one (95") It has an RV4 tail with .020 tail feathers. Two-twenty on the knots indicated, no worries. I fly final into my 1400" strip at 65 indicated, no shake there either:) Smokey Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Daniel Weseman wrote: Hi Danny can you describe the "tail shake" and how when it occurred? Also could you detail your "upgrades" to the tail components ? I have a nice -4 empenage with .020 control surface skins. I was considering several reinforcements to the the horizontal and vertical spars / skins , so any info would be great. I have heard the term "tail shake" but couldnt find any info on how it happens etc and how to fix it other than use .020 control surface skins ? Thanks for any advice / pictures Dan Weseman danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com> Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:27:15 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder I pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffeners and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moments with the tail shake. With the recent incident in CA I decided it was time to try and fix things. While I had it apart I've up dated the GPS, autopilot and changed the stick to 4130. Danny Melnik F1 N14ZM Rocket Factory Melbourne, FL -----Original Message----- From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:57 pm Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Danny: Hadn't heard that you had your airplane "down". What did you do to it? Lee... =========== target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List==================================== tp://forums.matronics.com ==================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution==================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 24, 2010
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>
You're always on top of things, Danny! I look forward to hearing you're back in the air! I'll be changing my stick to 4130, soon... Lee... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com>
Subject: Re: rocket tails
Date: May 24, 2010
Yup, same thicknesses as you as I recall. I got on the F-1 List by buying lot$ of $tuff from Mark Frederick (slider canopy, fairings, quadrant etc.) Money talks, I guess! I will be buying a bunch of stuff from John Harmon soon, so I don't play favorites. A friend has built an HR-II with a slider (photo on home page), so I know it can be done. http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/ Vern From: Daniel Weseman Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:10 PM Subject: Rocket-List: rocket tails Hi Vern , I looked over your page a few months ago when this topic came up ! I plan to do the mods basicly as you did , plus a few others ive seen .When you say thick skinned tail which skins are thicker ? my control surfaces are .020 and my VS and HS skins are .032 ? How do you get on the F-1 list ? Thanks Dan Weseman danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: Vern Little <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 2:32:06 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder I'm still building my first HR-II, so I don't have any real-life experience with tail shake. However, based on information from the F1 blog, I have added HS skin stiffeners and a HS spar reinforcement to the thick-skinned -4 tail. Here are the details: http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/empennage.htm Vern Little RV-9A (flying 4+ years) HR-II (getting ready to close wings and fuselage) From: Daniel Weseman Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Hi Danny can you describe the "tail shake" and how when it occurred? Also could you detail your "upgrades" to the tail components ? I have a nice -4 empenage with .020 control surface skins. I was considering several reinforcements to the the horizontal and vertical spars / skins , so any info would be great. I have heard the term "tail shake" but couldnt find any info on how it happens etc and how to fix it other than use .020 control surface skins ? Thanks for any advice / pictures Dan Weseman danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com> Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:27:15 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder I pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffeners and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moments with the tail shake. With the recent incident in CA I decided it was time to try and fix things. While I had it apart I've up dated the GPS, autopilot and changed the stick to 4130. Danny Melnik F1 N14ZM Rocket Factory Melbourne, FL -----Original Message----- From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:57 pm Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Danny: Hadn't heard that you had your airplane "down". What did you do to it? Lee... =========== target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List==== ======= tp://forums.matronics.com =========== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution========== = href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Release Date: 05/24/10 06:26:00 http://www.matronics.com/contributi============= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:26:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: rocket tails
Date: May 24, 2010
From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com>
I have not heard of any issues with the modified RV-4 tails. Only the F1. On my airplane the tail would shake as low as 195 KIAS. Others I have spo ken to have had the issue at higher speeds or not at all. I believe the ju ry is still out as to what is the root cause. The general consensus of th e aero eng types I have spoken to say that something, maybe turbulence com ing off the airframe ahead of the stab or something in the elevator is set ting up a vibe that when it hits the right frequency is causing the horiz stab to shake. Stiffening the horiz stab has helped in a couple of the ai rplanes with this issue. At least one airplane was fixed by changing the shape of the elevator trailing edge. I tried the elevator trailing mod but it did not improve things. I then no ticed my elevator skins were a bit concave just before the tailing edge jo ggle. I had access to a set of factory built F1 elavators so I bought thes e and installed them. This seemed to fix the issue until the plane was pai nted last year. The tail shook on the return flight home. I tried rebalanc ing things and tried the trailing edge mod again. This time it improved th ings a bit but the issue was still there. According to Mark, early F1 tail kits had .032" front spars and .040" rear spars. Later kits had .040" front and rear spars. Mine is an early one so I added an .040" doubler to the front and rear of the front spar. These go out to the mid rib position. I also added an .040" doubler to the fron t of the rear spar that extends to and picks up the mid hinge brackets. Sk in stiffeners are .040" and I reassembled the whole thing with Pro Seal on the faying surfaces. The horz stab is much stiffer now and hopfully this will work. I'll know in a couple of weeks. Danny Melnik F1 N14ZM Rocket Factory Melbourne, FL -----Original Message----- From: Vern Little <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 7:14 pm Subject: Re: Rocket-List: rocket tails Yup, same thicknesses as you as I recall. I got on the F-1 List by buying lot$ of $tuff from Mark Frederick (slider canopy, fairings, quadrant etc.) Money talks, I guess! I will be buying a bunch of stuff from John Harmon soon, so I don't play favorites. A friend has built an HR-II with a slider (photo on home page), so I know it can be done. http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/ Vern From: Daniel Weseman Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:10 PM Subject: Rocket-List: rocket tails Hi Vern , I looked over your page a few months ago when this topic came up ! I plan to do the mods basicly as you did , plus a few others ive seen .When you say thick skinned tail which skins are thicker ? my control sur faces are .020 and my VS and HS skins are .032 ? How do you get on the F- 1 list ? Thanks Dan Weseman danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com From: Vern Little <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 2:32:06 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder I'm still building my first HR-II, so I don't have any real-life experienc e with tail shake. However, based on information from the F1 blog, I have added HS skin stiffeners and a HS spar reinforcement to the thick-skinned -4 tail. Here are the details: http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/empennage.htm Vern Little RV-9A (flying 4+ years) HR-II (getting ready to close wings and fuselage) From: Daniel Weseman Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Hi Danny can you describe the "tail shake" and how when it occurred? Also could you detail your "upgrades" to the tail components ? I have a nice -4 empenage with .020 control surface skins. I was considering several re inforcements to the the horizontal and vertical spars / skins , so any inf o would be great. I have heard the term "tail shake" but couldnt find any info on how it happens etc and how to fix it other than use .020 control surface skins ? Thanks for any advice / pictures Dan Weseman danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com> Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:27:15 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder I pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffener s and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moment s with the tail shake. With the recent incident in CA I decided it was tim e to try and fix things. While I had it apart I've up dated the GPS, autop ilot and changed the stick to 4130. 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From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Date: May 24, 2010
He Lee, I missed the 4130 stick story, why you changing it. Did you bend yours in an 8 G Hornet pull? Jim Stone Louisville PS Ben Cunningham is getting close to first flight with new engine (Lyc). On May 24, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Lee Logan wrote: You're always on top of things, Danny! I look forward to hearing you're back in the air! I'll be changing my stick to 4130, soon... Lee... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Fred LaForge" <fred.laforge(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
Date: May 24, 2010
How fast do you fellows have to fly to get the tail to shake? I'm still building my first HR-II, so I don't have any real-life experience with tail shake. However, based on information from the F1 blog, I have added HS skin stiffeners and a HS spar reinforcement to the thick-skinned -4 tail. Here are the details: http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/empennage.htm Vern Little RV-9A (flying 4+ years) HR-II (getting ready to close wings and fuselage) From: Daniel Weseman Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:15 AM To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Hi Danny can you describe the "tail shake" and how when it occurred? Also could you detail your "upgrades" to the tail components ? I have a nice -4 empenage with .020 control surface skins. I was considering several reinforcements to the the horizontal and vertical spars / skins , so any info would be great. I have heard the term "tail shake" but couldnt find any info on how it happens etc and how to fix it other than use .020 control surface skins ? Thanks for any advice / pictures Dan Weseman danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:27:15 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder I pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffeners and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moments with the tail shake. With the recent incident in CA I decided it was time to try and fix things. While I had it apart I've up dated the GPS, autopilot and changed the stick to 4130. Danny Melnik F1 N14ZM Rocket Factory Melbourne, FL -----Original Message----- From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:57 pm Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder Danny: Hadn't heard that you had your airplane "down". What did you do to it? Lee... =========== target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List==== ======= tp://forums.matronics.com =========== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution========== = href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Release Date: 05/24/10 06:26:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
Date: May 25, 2010
Subject: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figures, I mean
- yours Guys, a quick question? I know the official answers are on FAQs all over t he place, but would like no-BS from the horse's (pilot's) mouth answers. My HRII seems to give me about 198 knots TRUE airspeed, at, say 6000 feet, WO T, 2500 rpm. I would be interested to know in your figures - TRUE airspeed @ power settings, sea level and at altitude, plus whether you're flying an HRII, an F1 (Hershey Bar) or F1/Evo/tapered wing. Also, what airspeed does your aircraft stall at? 'Ppreciate it. I'm toying with upgrading, although my trusty steed has give n me 700 happy and troublefree hours, and I wouldn't switch her out lightly .... Andrew New Zealand ________________________________ From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-serv er(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Stone Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder He Lee, I missed the 4130 stick story, why you changing it. Did you bend yours in an 8 G Hornet pull? Jim Stone Louisville PS Ben Cunningham is getting close to first flight with new engine (Lyc). On May 24, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Lee Logan wrote: You're always on top of things, Danny! I look forward to hearing you're ba ck in the air! I'll be changing my stick to 4130, soon... Lee... 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List"> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D .com/contribution"> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2010
Subject: Re: rocket tails
From: Ernest Hale <ernest(at)flmitigation.com>
I had my HR2 retro fitted with the slider and it works great. E On 5/24/10 7:14 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wrote: > Yup, same thicknesses as you as I recall. > I got on the F-1 List by buying lot$ of $tuff from Mark Frederick (slider > canopy, fairings, quadrant etc.) Money talks, I guess! > > I will be buying a bunch of stuff from John Harmon soon, so I don't play > favorites. > > A friend has built an HR-II with a slider (photo on home page), so I know it > can be done. http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/ > > Vern > > From: Daniel Weseman <mailto:danweseman(at)yahoo.com> > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:10 PM > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Rocket-List: rocket tails > > Hi Vern , I looked over your page a few months ago when this topic came up ! I > plan to do the mods basicly as you did , plus a few others ive seen .When you > say thick skinned tail which skins are thicker ? my control surfaces are .020 > and my VS and HS skins are .032 ? How do you get on the F-1 list ? Thanks > > Dan Weseman > danweseman(at)yahoo.com > www.flycleanex.com <http://www.flycleanex.com> > www.fly5thbearing.com <http://www.fly5thbearing.com> > > > > From: Vern Little <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 2:32:06 PM > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder > > I'm still building my first HR-II, so I don't have any real-life experience > with tail shake. However, based on information from the F1 blog, I have added > HS skin stiffeners and a HS spar reinforcement to the thick-skinned -4 tail. > Here are the details: http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/empennage.htm > > Vern Little > RV-9A (flying 4+ years) > HR-II (getting ready to close wings and fuselage) > > From: Daniel Weseman <mailto:danweseman(at)yahoo.com> > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:15 AM > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder > > Hi Danny can you describe the "tail shake" and how when it occurred? Also > could you detail your "upgrades" to the tail components ? I have a nice -4 > empenage with .020 control surface skins. I was considering several > reinforcements to the the horizontal and vertical spars / skins , so any info > would be great. I have heard the term "tail shake" but couldnt find any info > on how it happens etc and how to fix it other than use .020 control surface > skins ? Thanks for any advice / pictures > > Dan Weseman > danweseman(at)yahoo.com > www.flycleanex.com <http://www.flycleanex.com/> > www.fly5thbearing.com <http://www.fly5thbearing.com/> > > > > From: Danny <vft(at)aol.com> > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:27:15 AM > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder > > I pulled the horizontal stab off it to beef it up with some skin stiffeners > and spar doublers. I had too many "OH SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT" moments with > the tail shake. With the recent incident in CA I decided it was time to try > and fix things. While I had it apart I've up dated the GPS, autopilot and > changed the stick to 4130. > > Danny Melnik > F1 N14ZM > Rocket Factory > Melbourne, FL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com> > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 11:57 pm > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: New Rocket Builder > > Danny: Hadn't heard that you had your airplane "down". What did you do to > it? > > Lee... > =========== > target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List========== > tp://forums.matronics.com ========== > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution========== > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronhref="h > ttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > Release Date: 05/24/10 06:26:00 > http://www.matronics.com/contributi============= > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronhref="h > ttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > <http://forums.matronics.com/> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > Release Date: 05/24/10 06:26:00 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figures,
I mean - yours
Date: May 25, 2010
From: lessdragprod(at)aol.com
Hi Andrew, You need to ask this directly of Tom Gummo. Tom loves his HR2. But his claim is that he has the "world's slowest" Rocket. I thought I found one slower than his, but it wasn't slow enough. 192 kno ts at 8,000' DENSITY ALTITUDE, full throttle and best RPM. BTW, 2500 RPM may not provide the fastest speed. A RV-10 with the IO-540 engine and a 3 blade MT propeller was 1 knot faste r at 2300 RPM (15 gph) than at 2500 RPM (20 gph). The Hartzell "D" blade propeller will probably have peak airspeed RPM, and I have seen this RPM decrease with increased altitude. (Perhaps this is too much information?) Regards, Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com> Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:40 pm Subject: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figures , I mean - yours Guys, a quick question? I know the official answers are on FAQs all over the place, but would like no-BS from the horse's (pilot's) mouth answers. My HRII seems to give me about 198 knots TRUE airspeed, at, say 6000 feet , WOT, 2500 rpm. I would be interested to know in your figures - TRUE airs peed @ power settings, sea level and at altitude, plus whether you're flyi ng an HRII, an F1 (Hershey Bar) or F1/Evo/tapered wing. Also, what airspee d does your aircraft stall at? 'Ppreciate it. I'm toying with upgrading, although my trusty steed has giv en me 700 happy and troublefree hours, and I wouldn't switch her out light ly.... Andrew New Zealand ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figures,
I mean - yours 192-KTS-true dosnt seem to bad to me? Thats 222 mph ,-at 15 gph that is-14.8 MPG- Sound great to me..... What is typical GPH at 200 mph ?=0A =0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thb earing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "lessdra gprod(at)aol.com" =0ATo: rocket-list(at)matronics.com=0ASen t: Tue, May 25, 2010 10:02:39 AM=0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figures, I mean - yours=0A=0AHi Andrew,=0A =0AYou need to ask this directly of Tom Gummo.- Tom loves his HR2.- But his claim-is that he-has the "world's slowest" Rocket.=0A=0AI thought I found one slower than his, but it wasn't slow enough.- 192 knots at 8,0 00' DENSITY ALTITUDE, full throttle and best RPM.=0A=0ABTW, 2500 RPM may no t provide the fastest speed.=0AA RV-10 with the IO-540 engine and a 3 blade MT propeller was 1 knot faster at 2300 RPM (15 gph)-than at 2500 RPM (20 gph).=0AThe Hartzell "D" blade propeller will probably have peak airspeed RPM, and I have seen this RPM-decrease with increased-altitude.=0A(Perh aps this is too much information?)=0A=0ARegards,=0AJim Ayers=0A=0A=0A-----O riginal Message-----=0AFrom: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com>=0ATo: rocket-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:40 pm=0ASubject: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figures, I mean - yours=0A=0A=0AGuys,- a quick question? I know -the official answers are-on FAQs all over the place, but would like no -BS from the horse's (pilot's) mouth answers. My HRII seems to give me abou t 198 knots TRUE airspeed, at, say 6000 feet, WOT, 2500 rpm. I would be int erested to know in your figures - TRUE airspeed @ power settings,-sea lev el and at altitude, plus whether you're flying an HRII, an F1 (Hershey Bar) or F1/Evo/tapered wing. Also, what airspeed does your aircraft stall at? =0A-=0A'Ppreciate it. I'm toying with upgrading, although my trusty steed has given me 700 happy and troublefree-hours, and I wouldn't switch her ===============0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2010
Subject: Re: New Rocket Builder
From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>
With respect to the stick issue, there was a recent fatal Rocket accident in which it is alleged that the stick broke. The sticks in F1 Rockets are aluminum and in most installations require a hole to be drilled toward the bottom for the stick grip wiring to exit. It has been suggested that the orientation of that hole and the aluminum material can combine to weaken the stick the point that it is unsafe. Most RV's have 4130 steel sticks. Soooo...a number of guys have been talking about replacing their sticks with 4130. I'm not in a hurry, but will surely do it at annual time in August this year. The stick loads on my Rocket do seem a bit high to me (compared to my old RV-4), but that is probably a good thing... considering....!!! That is great news about Bosco! I'm really happy for him... please let ask him to be sure to let me know when he flies it for the first time, although I will probably see it on the Doug Reeves site. I'm sure he'll be a happy camper!! Regards, Lee... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
Date: May 26, 2010
Subject: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figures,
I mean - yours Thx Jim. I've experimented w different rpms, and slower rpms seem to yield slower airspeeds. Will experiment more. I do have a Hartzell. And will ask Tom. Any more takers? I'd appreciate it. Feel free to contract offlist. Andrew ________________________________ From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-serv er(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Weseman Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figu res, I mean - yours 192 KTS true dosnt seem to bad to me? Thats 222 mph , at 15 gph that is 14. 8 MPG Sound great to me..... What is typical GPH at 200 mph ? Dan Weseman danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com ________________________________ From: "lessdragprod(at)aol.com" <lessdragprod(at)aol.com> Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 10:02:39 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figu res, I mean - yours Hi Andrew, You need to ask this directly of Tom Gummo. Tom loves his HR2. But his cl aim is that he has the "world's slowest" Rocket. I thought I found one slower than his, but it wasn't slow enough. 192 knot s at 8,000' DENSITY ALTITUDE, full throttle and best RPM. BTW, 2500 RPM may not provide the fastest speed. A RV-10 with the IO-540 engine and a 3 blade MT propeller was 1 knot faster at 2300 RPM (15 gph) than at 2500 RPM (20 gph). The Hartzell "D" blade propeller will probably have peak airspeed RPM, and I have seen this RPM decrease with increased altitude. (Perhaps this is too much information?) Regards, Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com> Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:40 pm Subject: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figures, I mean - yours Guys, a quick question? I know the official answers are on FAQs all over t he place, but would like no-BS from the horse's (pilot's) mouth answers. My HRII seems to give me about 198 knots TRUE airspeed, at, say 6000 feet, WO T, 2500 rpm. I would be interested to know in your figures - TRUE airspeed @ power settings, sea level and at altitude, plus whether you're flying an HRII, an F1 (Hershey Bar) or F1/Evo/tapered wing. Also, what airspeed does your aircraft stall at? 'Ppreciate it. I'm toying with upgrading, although my trusty steed has give n me 700 happy and troublefree hours, and I wouldn't switch her out lightly .... Andrew New Zealand ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 25, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figures,
I mean - yours Hi Andy, --My HR2 is an oldie but a a goodie, 15 years old this year, 5th one to fly. LyCon C4B5 approximately 285 ponies, electronic ignition on one side, GAMI injectors, D Hartzell, big tires and pants. I max out at 210 Knots in dicated at SL and 2700/28" 204 GS.---My favorite sweet spot though is 21/2300 below 5,000 feet just slightly LOP at 10 GPH 30 degrees advance tr uing at 180 knots all day long. -That's better efficiency than my 160HP R V4! -She stalls at 58 knots indicated with flaps full. The best part is coming over the mailboxes at my 500 meter strip at 65 indi cated!-What a machine, fair dinkum eh? SmokeyHR2 --- On Tue, 5/25/10, ACTIVE NZ - Andrew wrote: From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com> Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book fig ures, I mean - yours Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 3:03 PM =0A=0A =0A#yiv1982414788 DIV {=0AMARGIN:0px;}=0A=0A=0A =0A =0AThx Jim. I've experimented w different rpms, and slower rpms =0Aseem to yield slower air speeds. Will experiment more. I do have a Hartzell. And =0Awill ask Tom.=0A -=0AAny more takers? I'd appreciate it. Feel free to contract =0Aofflist. =0A-=0AAndrew=0A-=0A=0A-=0A-=0A -=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-r ocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel =0AWeseman Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS =0Aand stall speeds? Not book f igures, I mean - yours =0A=0A=0A=0A192-KTS-true dosnt seem to bad to me? Thats 222 mph ,-at 15 =0Agph that is-14.8 MPG- Sound great to me..... What is typical GPH at =0A200 mph ?=0A -Dan =0AWeseman danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com =0A =0A =0A=0A=0AFrom: "lessdragprod(at)aol.com" =0A<lessdragprod(at)aol.com> Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 10:02:39 =0AAM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: =0ARocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book f igures, I mean - =0Ayours =0AHi Andrew,=0A-=0AYou need to ask this directly of Tom Gummo.- Tom lo ves his HR2.- =0ABut his claim-is that he-has the "world's slowest" R ocket.=0A-=0AI thought I found one slower than his, but it wasn't slow en ough.- 192 =0Aknots at 8,000' DENSITY ALTITUDE, full throttle and best RP M.=0A-=0ABTW, 2500 RPM may not provide the fastest speed.=0AA RV-10 with the IO-540 engine and a 3 blade MT propeller was 1 knot faster =0Aat 2300 R PM (15 gph)-than at 2500 RPM (20 gph).=0AThe Hartzell "D" blade propeller will probably have peak airspeed RPM, and =0AI have seen this RPM-decrea se with increased-altitude.=0A(Perhaps this is too much information?)=0A -=0ARegards,=0AJim Ayers =0A-----Original =0AMessage----- From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com> Sent: Mon, May =0A24, 2010 11:40 pm Subject: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? =0ANot book figur es, I mean - yours =0A=0AGuys,- a quick question? I know-the official answers =0Aare-on FAQs all over the place, but would like no-BS from the horse's =0A(pilot's) mouth answers. My HRII seems to give me about 198 knots TRUE airspeed, =0A at, say 6000 feet, WOT, 2500 rpm. I would be interested to know in your fig ures =0A- TRUE airspeed @ power settings,-sea level and at altitude, plus whether =0Ayou're flying an HRII, an F1 (Hershey Bar) or F1/Evo/tapered wi ng. Also, what =0Aairspeed does your aircraft stall at?=0A-=0A'Ppreciate it. I'm toying with upgrading, although my trusty =0Asteed has given me 700 happy and troublefree-hours, and I wouldn't switch =0Aher out lightly... .=0A-=0AAndrew=0A-=0ANew Zealand =0A- =0A=0Attp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List=0Aics.com=0A.matronics. ==0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
Date: May 26, 2010
Subject: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figures, I
mean - yours. Any more takers? Thanks Smokey. Yeah, she's a great machine all right. Interesting you get t hat SL speed at 2700/28". I don't normally run such a high power/rpm settin g - I'll give it a whirl tomorrow though. We have the same engine, with abo ut the same power. (Mine C4B5, 280 hp) And, yep, as I think you know I use my Rocket for a lot of short strip stuf f too. Surprisingly effective short strip machine. Andrew PS Would welcome any more data from Rocket drivers, whether HR, F1 or whate ver ________________________________ From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-serv er(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ray Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:51 PM Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figu res, I mean - yours Hi Andy, My HR2 is an oldie but a a goodie, 15 years old this year, 5th one to fly . LyCon C4B5 approximately 285 ponies, electronic ignition on one side, GAM I injectors, D Hartzell, big tires and pants. I max out at 210 Knots indica ted at SL and 2700/28" 204 GS. My favorite sweet spot though is 21/2300 below 5,000 feet just slightly L OP at 10 GPH 30 degrees advance truing at 180 knots all day long. That's b etter efficiency than my 160HP RV4! She stalls at 58 knots indicated with flaps full. The best part is coming over the mailboxes at my 500 meter strip at 65 indi cated! What a machine, fair dinkum eh? Smokey HR2 --- On Tue, 5/25/10, ACTIVE NZ - Andrew wrote: From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com> Subject: RE: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figu res, I mean - yours Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 3:03 PM Thx Jim. I've experimented w different rpms, and slower rpms seem to yield slower airspeeds. Will experiment more. I do have a Hartzell. And will ask Tom. Any more takers? I'd appreciate it. Feel free to contract offlist. Andrew ________________________________ From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-serv er(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Weseman Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figu res, I mean - yours 192 KTS true dosnt seem to bad to me? Thats 222 mph , at 15 gph that is 14. 8 MPG Sound great to me..... What is typical GPH at 200 mph ? Dan Weseman danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com ________________________________ From: "lessdragprod(at)aol.com" <lessdragprod(at)aol.com> Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 10:02:39 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figu res, I mean - yours Hi Andrew, You need to ask this directly of Tom Gummo. Tom loves his HR2. But his cl aim is that he has the "world's slowest" Rocket. I thought I found one slower than his, but it wasn't slow enough. 192 knot s at 8,000' DENSITY ALTITUDE, full throttle and best RPM. BTW, 2500 RPM may not provide the fastest speed. A RV-10 with the IO-540 engine and a 3 blade MT propeller was 1 knot faster at 2300 RPM (15 gph) than at 2500 RPM (20 gph). The Hartzell "D" blade propeller will probably have peak airspeed RPM, and I have seen this RPM decrease with increased altitude. (Perhaps this is too much information?) Regards, Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com> Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:40 pm Subject: Rocket-List: Rocket - your TAS and stall speeds? Not book figures, I mean - yours Guys, a quick question? I know the official answers are on FAQs all over t he place, but would like no-BS from the horse's (pilot's) mouth answers. My HRII seems to give me about 198 knots TRUE airspeed, at, say 6000 feet, WO T, 2500 rpm. I would be interested to know in your figures - TRUE airspeed @ power settings, sea level and at altitude, plus whether you're flying an HRII, an F1 (Hershey Bar) or F1/Evo/tapered wing. Also, what airspeed does your aircraft stall at? 'Ppreciate it. I'm toying with upgrading, although my trusty steed has give n me 700 happy and troublefree hours, and I wouldn't switch her out lightly .... Andrew New Zealand ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution http:/rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.co m">htt======================= ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 27, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: hrf 417 ?
Can someone-tell me where-HRF 417 goes ? I-cant find it on the plans, I thought it was a lower firewall gusset but cant seem to figure which way it would fit?-Thanks=0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycl eanex.com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Hr2pilot(at)aol.com
Date: May 27, 2010
Subject: Re: hrf 417 ?
It is on the cockpit rails at the top of # 5&6 bulkhead John Harmon D &J Harmon Co., Inc 2201 Coy Avenue Bakersfield, CA 93307 661-396-3570 661-396-3574 FAX www.harmonso2generators.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 27, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: hrf 417 ?
That makes total sense....--Thanks =0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman@yahoo .com=0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0AFrom: "Hr2pilot(at)aol.com" <Hr2pilot(at)aol.com>=0ATo: rocket-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, May 27, 2010 5:07:06 PM=0ASubject: R e: Rocket-List: hrf 417 ?=0A=0AIt is on the cockpit rails at the top of # 5 &6 bulkhead=0A=0AJohn Harmon=0AD &J Harmon Co., Inc=0A2201 Coy Avenue=0ABak ersfield, CA 93307=0A661-396-3570=0A661-396-3574 FAX=0Awww.harmonso2generat =====================0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: jeff vest <beanscout(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: F1 Rocket production
Date: May 28, 2010
Does anybody know if F1s are back in production? I'm looking to start a ro cket and wanted to know what my options are. Thanks=2C Jeff _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with H otmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid= PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 29, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: F1 Rocket production
Jeff, Go to Team Rocket's website to check on the status of kits but I highly dou bt much has changed. You can still buy RV4 kits from Van's and John Harmon still sells his kits to-build the HR2. - In the current-market you can buy a nice Rocket for what it costs to buil d one...Good Luck! www.teamrocket.com www.harmonrocket.com - Rob "Smokey" Ray HR2 --- On Fri, 5/28/10, jeff vest wrote: From: jeff vest <beanscout(at)hotmail.com> Subject: Rocket-List: F1 Rocket production Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 10:25 AM Does anybody know if F1s are back in production?- I'm looking to start a rocket and wanted to know what my options are. Thanks, Jeff The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with H otmail. Get busy. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FS: Tennessee Farm with Airstrip, and large attached hangar!
From: "Ratherfly" <longmeadowfarm(at)aol.com>
Date: May 29, 2010
Imagine working on your airplane. That's not hard to do, we spend a lot of time doing that. But imagine you didn't have to leave home to do it! Tennessee Home with a 90/60 attached hangar is for sale by owner. 3000 sf contemporary home, with 3 bedrooms, 3 baths, and a hangar. How great is that? Hangar even has a full bath so that you can wash away all the grit and grime before stepping inside your home. Pristine property located in the heart of horse country. Up to 40 acres available. Main home with hangar and airstrip carries 21.15 acres. Two approved building lots and an additional ranch home by the same seller. Low taxes and low cost of living make this an ideal place to live far from the hustle and bustle of city living. Spend quiet evenings sitting on the veranda and see stars you didn't know the heavens held. Peace and quiet, that's Longmeadow Farm! http://tinyurl.com/ownyourdream For now, for sale by owner. Call soon! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299292#299292 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/18_968.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FS: Tennessee Farm with Airstrip, and large attached
hangar!
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Date: May 29, 2010
Did you list a price? I recommend you show it early on so we don't all spend 10min looking at your great property only to find we can't afford it. Jim On May 29, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Ratherfly wrote: Imagine working on your airplane. That's not hard to do, we spend a lot of time doing that. But imagine you didn't have to leave home to do it! Tennessee Home with a 90/60 attached hangar is for sale by owner. 3000 sf contemporary home, with 3 bedrooms, 3 baths, and a hangar. How great is that? Hangar even has a full bath so that you can wash away all the grit and grime before stepping inside your home. Pristine property located in the heart of horse country. Up to 40 acres available. Main home with hangar and airstrip carries 21.15 acres. Two approved building lots and an additional ranch home by the same seller. Low taxes and low cost of living make this an ideal place to live far from the hustle and bustle of city living. Spend quiet evenings sitting on the veranda and see stars you didn't know the heavens held. Peace and quiet, that's Longmeadow Farm! http://tinyurl.com/ownyourdream For now, for sale by owner. Call soon! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299292#299292 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/18_968.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FS: Tennessee Farm with Airstrip, and large attached
hangar!
From: "Ratherfly" <longmeadowfarm(at)aol.com>
Date: May 30, 2010
I'm sorry, I thought I'd included it. $539,000 is the asking price for the home/hangar/airstrip. There are 3 other parcels available, two approved building lots, and another sprawling ranch home. Of course all is negotiable should someone be interested in more than one piece. Thanks for the reminder. Best Regards, Tina Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299338#299338 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2010
From: Fred Weaver <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FS: Tennessee Farm with Airstrip, and large attached
hangar! Jim.. Looks like the price is $539,000 Weav -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> >Sent: May 29, 2010 10:10 PM >To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Rocket-List: FS: Tennessee Farm with Airstrip, and large attached hangar! > > >Did you list a price? I recommend you show it early on so we don't all spend 10min looking at your great property only to find we can't afford it. >Jim >On May 29, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Ratherfly wrote: > > >Imagine working on your airplane. That's not hard to do, we spend a lot of >time doing that. But imagine you didn't have to leave home to do it! > >Tennessee Home with a 90/60 attached hangar is for sale by owner. 3000 sf contemporary home, with 3 bedrooms, 3 baths, and a hangar. How great is that? Hangar even has a full bath so that you can wash away all the grit and grime before stepping inside your home. > >Pristine property located in the heart of horse country. Up to 40 acres >available. Main home with hangar and airstrip carries 21.15 acres. Two >approved building lots and an additional ranch home by the same seller. > >Low taxes and low cost of living make this an ideal place to live far from the hustle and bustle of city living. Spend quiet evenings sitting on the veranda and see stars you didn't know the heavens held. > >Peace and quiet, that's Longmeadow Farm! > >http://tinyurl.com/ownyourdream > >For now, for sale by owner. Call soon! > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299292#299292 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/18_968.jpg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FS: Tennessee Farm with Airstrip, and large attached
hangar!
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Date: Jun 01, 2010
Seems like a bargain, Jim On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Fred Weaver wrote: Jim.. Looks like the price is $539,000 Weav -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> > Sent: May 29, 2010 10:10 PM > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: FS: Tennessee Farm with Airstrip, and large attached hangar! > > > Did you list a price? I recommend you show it early on so we don't all spend 10min looking at your great property only to find we can't afford it. > Jim > On May 29, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Ratherfly wrote: > > > Imagine working on your airplane. That's not hard to do, we spend a lot of > time doing that. But imagine you didn't have to leave home to do it! > > Tennessee Home with a 90/60 attached hangar is for sale by owner. 3000 sf contemporary home, with 3 bedrooms, 3 baths, and a hangar. How great is that? Hangar even has a full bath so that you can wash away all the grit and grime before stepping inside your home. > > Pristine property located in the heart of horse country. Up to 40 acres > available. Main home with hangar and airstrip carries 21.15 acres. Two > approved building lots and an additional ranch home by the same seller. > > Low taxes and low cost of living make this an ideal place to live far from the hustle and bustle of city living. Spend quiet evenings sitting on the veranda and see stars you didn't know the heavens held. > > Peace and quiet, that's Longmeadow Farm! > > http://tinyurl.com/ownyourdream > > For now, for sale by owner. Call soon! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299292#299292 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/18_968.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Date: Jun 02, 2010
Subject: New safety tool - canopy breaker
We just received a shipment of a brand new safety item. The Sabre Aviation canopy breaker is something that many of us would want to consider placing right next to our fire extinguisher. Check it out. http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/sto...roducts_id=377 cessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=76&products_ id=377> http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&c Path=76&products_id=377 Thanks, __________________ Vince Frazier www.flyboyaccessories.com<http://www.flyboyaccessories.com> RV and Rocket Accessories, Tailwheels, Tools, & More 1-888-8FLYBOY (1-888-835-9269) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com>
Subject: Re: New safety tool - canopy breaker
Date: Jun 02, 2010
From: Frazier, Vincent A Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:30 PM Subject: Rocket-List: New safety tool - canopy breaker We just received a shipment of a brand new safety item. The Sabre Aviation canopy breaker is something that many of us would want to consider placing right next to our fire extinguisher. Check it out. http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/sto...roducts_id=377 http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info &cPath=76&products_id=377 Thanks, __________________ Vince Frazier www.flyboyaccessories.com RV and Rocket Accessories, Tailwheels, Tools, & More 1-888-8FLYBOY (1-888-835-9269) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:25:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com>
Subject: Re: New safety tool - canopy breaker
Date: Jun 02, 2010
I have a friend who's daughter was caught upside-down in an RV-6 with an instructor. They used a canopy breaker tool similar to this one to bust out. They were in the mud flats with the tide coming in. Highly recommended! Vern Little From: Frazier, Vincent A Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:30 PM Subject: Rocket-List: New safety tool - canopy breaker We just received a shipment of a brand new safety item. The Sabre Aviation canopy breaker is something that many of us would want to consider placing right next to our fire extinguisher. Check it out. http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/sto...roducts_id=377 http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info &cPath=76&products_id=377 Thanks, __________________ Vince Frazier www.flyboyaccessories.com RV and Rocket Accessories, Tailwheels, Tools, & More 1-888-8FLYBOY (1-888-835-9269) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:25:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mark Swaney <swaneymj(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: New safety tool - canopy breaker
Date: Jun 02, 2010
Vince, are you going to have a booth at AirVenture this year? Mark On Jun 2, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Frazier, Vincent A wrote: We just received a shipment of a brand new safety item. The Sabre Aviation canopy breaker is something that many of us would want to consider placing right next to our fire extinguisher. Check it out. http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/sto...roducts_id=377 http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=76&products_id=377 Thanks, __________________ Vince Frazier www.flyboyaccessories.com RV and Rocket Accessories, Tailwheels, Tools, & More 1-888-8FLYBOY (1-888-835-9269) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 03, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: New safety tool - canopy breaker
The Sabre tool is excellent. However comma, another option is the Smith and Wesson SW 911. I've carried one in my HR2 for 5 years. It's standard firefighter issue and readily available from many sources. Smokey HR2 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Mark Swaney wrote: Vince, are you going to have a booth at AirVenture this year? Mark On Jun 2, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Frazier, Vincent A wrote: We just received a shipment of a brand new safety item. The Sabre Aviation canopy breaker is something that many of us would want to consider placing right next to our fire extinguisher. Check it out. http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/sto...roducts_id=377 http://www.flyboyaccessories.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=76&products_id=377 Thanks, __________________ Vince Frazier www.flyboyaccessories.com RV and Rocket Accessories, Tailwheels, Tools, & More 1-888-8FLYBOY (1-888-835-9269) href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Date: Jun 03, 2010
Subject: Oshkosh vending
>>>>SNIP From: Mark Swaney <swaneymj(at)mac.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: New safety tool - canopy breaker Vince, are you going to have a booth at AirVenture this year? Mark <<<< SNIP Mark (and others), We had a love/hate experience last year at Airventure. We loved being able to meet the customers in person, and did quite well for our first time out at a trade show. We were quite pleased actually. Sadly, we hated: 1) the new fly market location. 2 ) the dirt. It was absolutely hell on merchandise 3) the cost paid to the EAA for a 20'x20' TINY spot. Ridiculous. I can't imagine how many of the vendors even pay their bill, let alone make money. 4) the EAA vendor space does not include a phone line in the cost. That required an extra $400 if you wanted to reliably process credit cards. Cell phones and internet were available... but not always! This was a huge problem. My hat is off to all our customers who worked with us on some of the issues related to this, which is a LONG story. 5) the new location apparently also seemed to have prompted the EAA to eliminate nearly all aviation only sellers from the fly market. Ugh. It was a great place to buy popcorn blouses and yard decorations though. It truly has become a flea market. I love the EAA. Really. They have provided us with many years of great shows, etc. However, if I don't tell why we're not at Airventure this year many of our customers will make the wrong assumption about our business health. Happily, we're doing great in spite of a crappy economy. We simply can't afford the huge investment of time and effort to do a show that offers some benefits, but far more headaches. Thanks for asking. It needs to be known why the fly market simply ain't what it used to be. FWIW, the other vendor spaces at Oshkosh are priced out of reach of all but the most ferocious competitors. They are simply out of reach to most small vendors. We simply didn't get into this business to be sharks. We're much happier being casually successful and not trying to beat our brains out while doing it! Vince Frazier Flyboy Accessories 3963 Caborn Road Mount Vernon, IN 47620 812-464-1839 1-888-8FLYBOY 1-888-835-9269 www.flyboyaccessories.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 04, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: SW 911
Guys, --After several requests for information, here is a link to a site sell ing the Smith and Wesson 911 canopy breaker tool Fireman and Police officer s are issued in many places.I carry mine every time I fly anything now. I t ested it recently on a damaged RV4 canopy. The punch-end easily pierced the plexiglass and the saw-end had no problems cutting a large swath out (wear gloves!).The serrated blade also cuts heavy straps (shoulder harness) well , very sharp. Don't leave home without one... FYI!http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum979.php SmokeyHR2=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
Date: Jun 05, 2010
Subject: Emergency equipment in general
Smokey, I was relieved to see the "Smith & Wesson" you referred to was, well, not quite what I thought you were referring to. I initially thought you were saying, forget the canopy breaker, just carry a big gun and SHOOT your way out! My first flight instructor would never fly without his piece, actually - we were flying out of Reid Hillview, CA, and he always took a 9mm something-or-other with him "in case we had to force land in hostile territory". Hmmm. San Jose? San Francisco? :) For what it's worth, in NZ we are *required* to have certain items of emergency equipment in all aircraft, inc experimentals - eg ELT, fire extinguisher, usually a light axe, etc. I carry a lot more than the legal minimum, and over the years have gone full circle from "it's never going to happen to me" to "if it DOES happen to me, I'll be ready." I think an axe or canopy breaker is an absolute no-brainer in an RV4/Rocket type aircraft. Yes, the canopy will probably break if you go over, but if it doesn't, or if you DON'T go over, but it's jammed for some reason...I would feel a teeny bit silly being stuck inside. Again. Having once been in that situation in an RV4 a long time ago, may I recommend some sort of digging implement - if you're upside down in a field, there's not necessarily room to get out without doing some digging. Or, as we had to, wait around for the grownups, stuck inside upside down, wondering if the thing will burn. Not nice. In my opinion, RVs to some degree and Rockets for sure have a very good chance of ending upside down in forced landing & crash situations. Even a nice flat field could tip you up if it's soft earth... Hence my personal obsession - a solid, braced, rollbar. Not trying to get all lectur-y here, just saying that a few additions to the basic kick-ass Rocket, some cheap, some less so, might seem real cheap if they're ever actually required. eg rollbar, canopy breaker, fire extinguisher, comprehensive first aid kit + a basic idea of what to do with it, flare pack, life jacket (if ever over H2O! disregard if you live in Kansas!) , ELT, basic survival kit, and the use of some sort of flight plan, whether formal or informal... ...and the next level, which I use for XC flights, as opposed to local/aerobatic sorties: a ditching bottle (tiny scuba tank), Spot beacon (uploads GPS position to a website that anyone can access, every 5 mins), augmented survival pack, liferaft, satphone, food & water... Admittedly *some* NZ flying has, perhaps, more in common w Alaska flying than *some* of the lower 48 flying, so my approach to safety equipment might seem a little OTT, but I'd probably do most of this, now, if I was still flying out of good ole WVI, CA. This is no lecture - respectfully submitted in case it's helpful to anyone Andrew (HR2, NZ) ________________________________________ From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ray [smokyray(at)rocketmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:25 AM Subject: Rocket-List: SW 911 Guys, After several requests for information, here is a link to a site selling the Smith and Wesson 911 canopy breaker tool Fireman and Police officers are issued in many places.I carry mine every time I fly anything now. I tested it recently on a damaged RV4 canopy. The punch-end easily pierced the plexiglass and the saw-end had no problems cutting a large swath out (wear gloves!).The serrated blade also cuts heavy straps (shoulder harness) well, very sharp. Don't leave home without one... FYI! http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum979.php Smokey HR2 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: SW 911
Date: Jun 04, 2010
Whoops, item has been discontinued. Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Rob Ray wrote: > > Guys, > > After several requests for information, here is a link to a site selling the Smith and Wesson 911 canopy breaker tool Fireman and Police officers are issued in many places.I carry mine every time I fly anything now. I tested it recently on a damaged RV4 canopy. The punch-end easily pierced the plexiglass and the saw-end had no problems cutting a large swath out (wear gloves!).The serrated blade also cuts heavy straps (shoulder harness) well, very sharp. > > Don't leave home without one... > > FYI! > http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum979.php > > Smokey > HR2 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Emergency equipment in general
Date: Jun 04, 2010
Andy, great post! I have been wanting to improve my roll. bar, could you send me a pic of yours. Thanks for the advice. Jim Stone HR 2 Louisville KY Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2010, at 4:11 PM, ACTIVE NZ - Andrew wrote: > > Smokey, I was relieved to see the "Smith & Wesson" you referred to was, well, not quite what I thought you were referring to. I initially thought you were saying, forget the canopy breaker, just carry a big gun and SHOOT your way out! My first flight instructor would never fly without his piece, actually - we were flying out of Reid Hillview, CA, and he always took a 9mm something-or-other with him "in case we had to force land in hostile territory". Hmmm. San Jose? San Francisco? :) > > For what it's worth, in NZ we are *required* to have certain items of emergency equipment in all aircraft, inc experimentals - eg ELT, fire extinguisher, usually a light axe, etc. I carry a lot more than the legal minimum, and over the years have gone full circle from "it's never going to happen to me" to "if it DOES happen to me, I'll be ready." I think an axe or canopy breaker is an absolute no-brainer in an RV4/Rocket type aircraft. Yes, the canopy will probably break if you go over, but if it doesn't, or if you DON'T go over, but it's jammed for some reason...I would feel a teeny bit silly being stuck inside. Again. Having once been in that situation in an RV4 a long time ago, may I recommend some sort of digging implement - if you're upside down in a field, there's not necessarily room to get out without doing some digging. Or, as we had to, wait around for the grownups, stuck inside upside down, wondering if the thing will burn. Not nice. > > In my opinion, RVs to some degree and Rockets for sure have a very good chance of ending upside down in forced landing & crash situations. Even a nice flat field could tip you up if it's soft earth... > > Hence my personal obsession - a solid, braced, rollbar. Not trying to get all lectur-y here, just saying that a few additions to the basic kick-ass Rocket, some cheap, some less so, might seem real cheap if they're ever actually required. eg rollbar, canopy breaker, fire extinguisher, comprehensive first aid kit + a basic idea of what to do with it, flare pack, life jacket (if ever over H2O! disregard if you live in Kansas!) , ELT, basic survival kit, and the use of some sort of flight plan, whether formal or informal... > > ...and the next level, which I use for XC flights, as opposed to local/aerobatic sorties: a ditching bottle (tiny scuba tank), Spot beacon (uploads GPS position to a website that anyone can access, every 5 mins), augmented survival pack, liferaft, satphone, food & water... > > Admittedly *some* NZ flying has, perhaps, more in common w Alaska flying than *some* of the lower 48 flying, so my approach to safety equipment might seem a little OTT, but I'd probably do most of this, now, if I was still flying out of good ole WVI, CA. > > This is no lecture - respectfully submitted in case it's helpful to anyone > > Andrew > (HR2, NZ) > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ray [smokyray(at)rocketmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:25 AM > To: Rocket List > Subject: Rocket-List: SW 911 > > Guys, > > After several requests for information, here is a link to a site selling the Smith and Wesson 911 canopy breaker tool Fireman and Police officers are issued in many places.I carry mine every time I fly anything now. I tested it recently on a damaged RV4 canopy. The punch-end easily pierced the plexiglass and the saw-end had no problems cutting a large swath out (wear gloves!).The serrated blade also cuts heavy straps (shoulder harness) well, very sharp. > > Don't leave home without one... > > FYI! > http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum979.php > > Smokey > HR2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf(at)gerf.com>
Subject: Bakersfield FlyIn tomorrow Sat ?
Date: Jun 04, 2010
Just checking ... Gerry N696WG ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 04, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: landing gear.
Hi All I was looking at my HRII mount last night and was wondering about ge ar legs. Can someone fill me in on the history of gear legs.-My gear sock ets are 1.375ID- ive heard new ones are 1.5 ID ?-Are the 1.375 legs OK to use? Can i still get them?-any info would help Thanks=0A-Dan Weseman =0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Stuff For Sale
Date: Jun 04, 2010
From: johntmey(at)aol.com
Rocketeers, I'm going to shift gears... need fat tires and fat wings, STOL. 1) Rocket is FS on Barnstormers, search Harmon Rocket ($91.5k) 2) Rocket spares and surplus, make offer a) Unadulterated composite cowling b) Uninstalled engine mount (with 1.375 sockets) c) Uninstalled firewall d) Composite spinner and backplate e) RV-4 horiz stab and vert fin, never installed, Elevators and rud der were scavenged Items "a" thru "c" were from Vince Frazier, not installed by him nor by me . I replaced item "d" with polished metal Hartzell spinner. I built item "e" before switch ing to RV-8 tail for my finished Rocket. John Meyers N5800 360-477-1354 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 04, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Emergency equipment in general
Awesome Andy, you can never have too many goodies! Having flown a single se at, single engine jet for many hours over bad-guy land, it's nice to know y ou have options (and cool toys) if you end up on foot, or fin!---The one thing you can't stress enough is good old H20, water. I carry fold up s urvival water packs, sea dye, mirror, strobe, mini leather-man, compass, fi re-starter and spot tracker in a small waterproof belt pack and stow it in my center console. My back seat cushion has a cut-out underneath it for a s tandard airline type life vest.---I too have retrieved several flippe d-over RV's and all three couldn't dig out once the glass was broken. I tho ught at the time a hydraulic roll bar you could "jack up" if needed would b e cool, hmm.---This changed my forced landing choices (if given one) to use county and access roads, large paved areas, lakes, pastures, fields in that order. Like the Boy Scouts motto says, "Be Prepared" is good advice . Fair Dinkum eh? Smokey --- On Fri, 6/4/10, Jim Stone wrote: From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Emergency equipment in general Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 2:34 PM Andy, great post! I have been wanting to improve my roll. bar, could you send me a pic of you rs. Thanks for the advice. Jim Stone HR 2 Louisville KY Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2010, at 4:11 PM, ACTIVE NZ - Andrew wrote: m> > > Smokey, I was relieved to see the "Smith & Wesson" you referred to was, w ell, not quite what I thought you were referring to. I initially thought yo u were saying, forget the canopy breaker, just carry a big gun and SHOOT yo ur way out! My first flight instructor would never fly without his piece, a ctually - we were flying out of Reid Hillview, CA, and he always took a 9mm something-or-other with him "in case we had to force land in hostile terri tory". Hmmm. San Jose?- San Francisco? :) > > For what it's worth, in NZ we are *required* to have certain items of eme rgency equipment in all aircraft, inc experimentals - eg ELT, fire extingui sher, usually a light axe, etc. I carry a lot more than the legal minimum, and over the years have gone full circle from "it's never going to happen t o me" to "if it DOES happen to me, I'll be ready." I think an axe or canopy breaker is an absolute no-brainer in an RV4/Rocket type aircraft. Yes, the canopy will probably break if you go over, but if it doesn't, or if you DO N'T go over, but it's jammed for some reason...I would feel a teeny bit sil ly being stuck inside. Again. Having once been in that situation in an RV4 a long time ago, may I recommend some sort of digging implement - if you're upside down in a field, there's not necessarily room to get out without do ing some digging. Or, as we had to, wait around for the grownups, stuck ins ide upside down, wondering if the thing will burn. Not nice. > > In my opinion, RVs to some degree and Rockets for sure have a very good c hance of ending upside down in forced landing & crash situations. Even a ni ce flat field could tip you up if it's soft earth... > > Hence my personal obsession - a solid, braced, rollbar. Not trying to get all lectur-y here, just saying that a few additions to the basic kick-ass Rocket, some cheap, some less so, might seem real cheap if they're ever act ually required. eg rollbar, canopy breaker, fire extinguisher, comprehensiv e first aid kit + a basic idea of what to do with it, flare pack, life jack et (if ever over H2O! disregard if you live in Kansas!) , ELT, basic surviv al kit, and the use of some sort of flight plan, whether formal or informal ... > > ...and the next level, which I use for XC flights, as opposed to local/ae robatic sorties: a ditching bottle (tiny scuba tank), Spot beacon (uploads GPS position to a website that anyone can access, every 5 mins), augmented survival pack, liferaft, satphone, food & water... > > Admittedly *some* NZ flying has, perhaps, more in common w Alaska flying than *some* of the lower 48 flying, so my approach to safety equipment migh t seem a little OTT, but I'd probably do most of this, now, if I was still flying out of good ole WVI, CA. > > This is no lecture - respectfully submitted in case it's helpful to anyon e > > Andrew > (HR2, NZ) > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [owner-rocket-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ray [smokyray(at)rocketmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:25 AM > To: Rocket List > Subject: Rocket-List: SW 911 > > Guys, > >- After several requests for information, here is a link to a site selli ng the Smith and Wesson 911 canopy breaker tool Fireman and Police officers are issued in many places.I carry mine every time I fly anything now. I te sted it recently on a damaged RV4 canopy. The punch-end easily pierced the plexiglass and the saw-end had no problems cutting a large swath out (wear gloves!).The serrated blade also cuts heavy straps (shoulder harness) well, very sharp. > > Don't leave home without one... > > FYI! > http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum979.php > > Smokey > HR2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 04, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: SW 911
OK, OK...:) http://www.bladehq.com/item--Smith-Wesson-First--4301 Smokey --- On Fri, 6/4/10, Jim Stone wrote: From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: SW 911 Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 2:17 PM Whoops, item has been discontinued. Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Rob Ray wrote: Guys, --After several requests for information, here is a link to a site sell ing the Smith and Wesson 911 canopy breaker tool Fireman and Police officer s are issued in many places.I carry mine every time I fly anything now. I t ested it recently on a damaged RV4 canopy. The punch-end easily pierced the plexiglass and the saw-end had no problems cutting a large swath out (wear gloves!).The serrated blade also cuts heavy straps (shoulder harness) well , very sharp. Don't leave home without one... FYI!http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum979.php SmokeyHR2 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Rocket-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 05, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: SW-911 in action
After many inquiries about the SW 911, I found a great comparison site that really identifies and shows video of them in action. - Don't leave home without one :) - Smokey HR2 - - http://www.squidoo.com/smithandwessonrescueknives=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: SW-911 in action
Date: Jun 06, 2010
Hey Smokey, I did a bit of research on the subject and found this knife/tool. I like it because it is one piece, has a full length serrated edge, prying bevels and a notch for gripping the plexiglass on edge and breaking it. It will also look damn macho in the cockpit. Jim Stone Louisville On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Rob Ray wrote: After many inquiries about the SW 911, I found a great comparison site that really identifies and shows video of them in action. Don't leave home without one :) Smokey HR2 http://www.squidoo.com/smithandwessonrescueknives ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: SW-911 in action
Date: Jun 06, 2010
Here is the link to this cool tool. BTW, if a bit of digging is required to extract yourself from an inverted position, this tool might be better than a knife blade. Jim Stone http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=CR2050 On Jun 6, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Jim Stone wrote: Hey Smokey, I did a bit of research on the subject and found this knife/tool. I like it because it is one piece, has a full length serrated edge, prying bevels and a notch for gripping the plexiglass on edge and breaking it. It will also look damn macho in the cockpit. Jim Stone Louisville On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Rob Ray wrote: After many inquiries about the SW 911, I found a great comparison site that really identifies and shows video of them in action. Don't leave home without one :) Smokey HR2 http://www.squidoo.com/smithandwessonrescueknives 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 06, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: SW-911 in action
Cool! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2010, at 8:33 AM, Jim Stone wrote: Hey Smokey, I did a bit of research on the subject and found this knife/tool. I like it because it is one piece, has a full length serrated edge, prying bevels and a notch for gripping the plexiglass on edge and breaking it. It will also look damn macho in the cockpit. Jim Stone Louisville On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Rob Ray wrote: After many inquiries about the SW 911, I found a great comparison site that really identifies and shows video of them in action. Don't leave home without one :) Smokey HR2 http://www.squidoo.com/smithandwessonrescueknives ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 06, 2010
From: Jerry Wymer <jerryw(at)higherspeed.net>
Subject: Re: SW-911 in action
The MAK-1 is available from Amazon for $45 Jerry Wymer Jim Stone wrote: > Here is the link to this cool tool. > BTW, if a bit of digging is required to extract yourself from an > inverted position, this tool might be better than a knife blade. > Jim Stone > > http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=CR2050 > > > On Jun 6, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Jim Stone wrote: > > Hey Smokey, > I did a bit of research on the subject and found this knife/tool. I > like it because it is one piece, has a full length serrated edge, > prying bevels and a notch for gripping the plexiglass on edge and > breaking it. It will also look damn macho in the cockpit. > Jim Stone > Louisville > > On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Rob Ray wrote: > > After many inquiries about the SW 911, I found a great comparison site > that really identifies and shows video of them in action. > > Don't leave home without one :) > > Smokey > HR2 > > > http://www.squidoo.com/smithandwessonrescueknives > > > * > > > * > > * > > 3D============================================ > href="x-msg://73/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List%22">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List > 3D============================================ > href="x-msg://73/3D%22http://forums.matronics.com%22">http://forums.matronics.com > 3D============================================ > href="x-msg://73/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > 3D============================================ > > * > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: SW-911 in action
From: "n395v" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com>
Date: Jun 07, 2010
Keep in mind when buying a tool to GET OUT of an aircraft after an accident (crash) you are in a confined space, an unusual attitude (possibly upside down). An entry tool that is large and requires you to swing it probably ain't gonna do much good. That is why the spring loaded punches are preferable. Entry tools are designed with the presumption that you are not space confined. -------- Milt Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300318#300318 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: SW-911 in action
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Date: Jun 07, 2010
Milt, Do you think a small axe would work or a tomahawk? jim On Jun 7, 2010, at 8:50 AM, n395v wrote: Keep in mind when buying a tool to GET OUT of an aircraft after an accident (crash) you are in a confined space, an unusual attitude (possibly upside down). An entry tool that is large and requires you to swing it probably ain't gonna do much good. That is why the spring loaded punches are preferable. Entry tools are designed with the presumption that you are not space confined. -------- Milt Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300318#300318 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: davidbf(at)centurytel.net
Subject: lycoming engine ears 70456
Date: Jun 08, 2010
I recently purchased an engine for my rv10 that has the larger engine mounting ears 70456, wondered if anyone is interested in trading for the smaller 72306 ears? Please reply off list, rvdave(at)centurytel.net Dave Ford Cadillac, MI ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: SW-911 in action
From: "n395v" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com>
Date: Jun 08, 2010
The totally honest answer is I do not know since I haven't had to bust out of one. I carry a pair of fencing pliers http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-11353365108554_2110_177265569.jpg for this purpose but really do not know if they will work as you need to swing them with a pretty hefty force( I assume) to break the canopy. They also double as a multipurpose tool for driving in tiedown stakes etc. After looking at what iis available I think I am going to add one of these S&Ws to my cockpit. -------- Milt Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300505#300505 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 08, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: SW-911 in action
Milt/Jim,-I tested my SW911 on an old RV4 canopy and it ripped it open li ke a tin can. The retractable punch end was the surprise, went clean throug h on the first try. The side benefit is the serrated edge not only cut the plexiglass, it will cut harness straps quickly as well.- Smokey --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Jim Stone wrote: From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: SW-911 in action Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 8:09 PM Milt, Do you think a small axe would work or a tomahawk? jim On Jun 7, 2010, at 8:50 AM, n395v wrote: Keep in mind when buying a tool to GET OUT of an aircraft after an accident (crash) you are in a confined space, an unusual attitude (possibly upside down). An entry tool that is large and requires you to swing it probably ain't gon na do much good. That is why the spring loaded punches are preferable. Entry tools are designed with the presumption that you are not space confin ed. -------- Milt Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300318#300318 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: SW-911 in action
Date: Jun 08, 2010
How big a hole,1/4"? Jim Sent from my iPad On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:01 AM, n395v wrote: > > The totally honest answer is I do not know since I haven't had to bust out of one. I carry a pair of fencing pliers http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-11353365108554_2110_177265569.jpg for this purpose but really do not know if they will work as you need to swing them with a pretty hefty force( I assume) to break the canopy. They also double as a multipurpose tool for driving in tiedown stakes etc. > > After looking at what iis available I think I am going to add one of these S&Ws to my cockpit. > > -------- > Milt > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300505#300505 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Date: Jun 09, 2010
Subject: engine mounting ears
>>>>SNIP Subject: Rocket-List: lycoming engine ears 70456 I recently purchased an engine for my rv10 that has the larger engine mounting ears 70456, wondered if anyone is interested in trading for the smaller 72306 ears? <<<<Subject: Re: FS: Tennessee Farm with Airstrip, and large attached hangar!
From: "Ratherfly" <longmeadowfarm(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 14, 2010
http://longmeadow.vflyer.com/home/flyer/home/3291623 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301135#301135 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 06, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Prop me Up!
Guys, --I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of my HR2 and go to a co mposite propeller. I have seen several MT props for sale in BS and wonder h ow you MT flyers like your prop? I also like the Whirlwind but $$$ is a fac tor. -Jim A and Gummy are running 4 blades, how do you guys like them?- - Since most of my flying includes over the top aerobatics, a lighter nos e would be nice although my Hartzell 2 blade "paddle" has served me well. - --Any comments prop or con would be appreciated. Smokey=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Gummo" <t.gummo(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Prop me Up!
Date: Jul 06, 2010
Smokey, I very much like the look of my MT prop. As I don't fly in the weather and live in the desert, I have not seen the effects of rain on the paint. I think I remember hearing about the paint taking a beating when flying in heavy rain. I have two issues with the four blade MT prop I have. First, I lost about 10 knots TAS at cruise altitude with the four blade. When I had the Hartzell two blade, at 10.5 or 11.5 my normal cruise altitude, full throttle, prop back to 2100 or so, leaned out to 10.5 gallons per hour, I trued at 180 knots. Now, I true at 170 knots under that same conditions. Again, it sure looks good. Jim Ayers tells me that I don't have enough power to use the prop properly (my IO-540 J4A5, is only 250 hp). I did get a great deal from John when I got it. (See, I told you all that I have the slowest rocket.) Jim Ayers allowed me to use a three blade MT prop for a couple weeks and it very hard to tell it there was any speed lost at all. I keep trying to get him find someone that wants the four blade and will trade me for the three blade. Second, I use the full throttle hot start technique. As all the weight is in the hub, it spins up quickly. (It was only two pounds lighter than the Hartzell.) So when the engine starts, it CAN very quickly gets to 1200 to 1500 prm while I am reducing the throttle, adding mixture, etc. etc (normally, I don't see that high of rpm on start but it has happened). I have had the tail come off the ground and don't want ANOTHER Prop strike (reason for getting another prop in the first place). Which, it why I clear in front of me and if the plane wants to roll a couple feet while I am starting, I let it. So, while I call this an issue, it is not problem at all. Like most things, just learn to deal with it. So fly out to SoCal and I will let you see the prop from the rear seat. :-) GummiBear ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Ray To: Rocket List Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:48 AM Subject: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! Guys, I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of my HR2 and go to a composite propeller. I have seen several MT props for sale in BS and wonder how you MT flyers like your prop? I also like the Whirlwind but $$$ is a factor. Jim A and Gummy are running 4 blades, how do you guys like them? Since most of my flying includes over the top aerobatics, a lighter nose would be nice although my Hartzell 2 blade "paddle" has served me well. Any comments prop or con would be appreciated. Smokey __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5256 (20100706) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 06, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Prop me Up!
wanna sell-the 2 blade hartzell?=0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com =0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________ __________________=0AFrom: Tom Gummo <t.gummo(at)verizon.net>=0ATo: rocket-lis t(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, July 6, 2010 4:18:50 PM=0ASubject: Re: Rocket- List: Prop me Up!=0A=0A=0ASmokey,=0A-=0AI very much like the look of my M T prop.- As I don't fly in the weather and live =0Ain the desert, I have not seen the effects of rain on the paint.- I think I =0Aremember hearing about the paint taking a beating when flying in heavy rain.=0A-=0AI have two issues with the four blade MT prop I have.- First, I lost about 10 =0Aknots TAS at cruise altitude with the four blade.- When I had the Hart zell two =0Ablade,-at 10.5 or 11.5 my normal cruise altitude, full thrott le, prop back to =0A2100 or so, leaned out to 10.5 gallons per hour, I true d at 180 knots.- Now, I =0Atrue at 170 knots under that same conditions. - Again, it sure looks good.- Jim =0AAyers tells me that I don't have e nough power to use the prop properly (my =0AIO-540 J4A5, is only 250 hp). - I did get a great deal from John when I got it.- =0A(See, I told you all that I have the slowest rocket.)=0A-=0AJim Ayers allowed me to use a three blade MT prop for a couple weeks and it very =0Ahard to tell it there was any speed lost at all.- I keep trying to get him find =0Asomeone tha t wants the four blade and will trade me for the three blade. =0A=0A-=0AS econd, I use the full throttle hot start technique.- As all the weight is in =0Athe hub, it spins up quickly.- (It was only two pounds lighter tha n the =0AHartzell.)- So when the engine starts, it CAN very quickly gets to 1200 to 1500 =0Aprm while I am reducing the throttle, adding mixture, et c. etc (normally, I =0Adon't see that high of rpm on start but it has happe ned).=0AI have had the tail come off the ground and don't want ANOTHER-Pr op strike =0A(reason for getting another prop in the first place).- Which , it why I clear in =0Afront of me and if the plane wants to roll a couple feet while I am starting, I =0Alet it.- So, while I call this an issue, i t is not problem at all.- Like most =0Athings, just learn to deal with it .=0A-=0ASo fly out to SoCal and-I will let-you see the prop from the -rear seat.- =0A:-)-----=0A-=0AGummiBear=0A----- Original M essage ----- =0A>From: Rob Ray =0A>To: Rocket List =0A>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:48 AM=0A>Subject: Rocket-List: Prop me Up!=0A>=0A>=0A>Guys, =0A> =0A>=0A>--I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of my HR2 and go to a composite =0A>propeller. I have seen several MT props for sale in BS and wonder how you MT =0A>flyers like your prop? I also like the Whirlwind but $$$ is a factor. -Jim A and =0A>Gummy are running 4 blades, how do yo u guys like them?=0A>-- Since most of my flying includes over the top a erobatics, a lighter nose =0A>would be nice although my Hartzell 2 blade "p addle" has served me well.-=0A>=0A>=0A>--Any comments prop or con wou ld be appreciated.=0A>=0A>=0A>Smokey =0A>=0A> =0A>href="http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.mat ronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A> href="http://www.matronics.co m/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A>=0A>=0A>__________ Informati on from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature =0A>database 5256 (20100706) __________=0A>=0A>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antiviru ===================== =0A>=0A=0A =0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop me Up!
Date: Jul 06, 2010
From: lessdragprod(at)aol.com
Hi Smokey, Tom Gummo has the 4 blade propeller designed for the HR3 with a 380 hp eng ine. Tom Gummo's HR2 doesn't have a 380 hp engine. Therefore, the speed loss. The 4 blade propeller designed for the HR2 with 260 hp is set for cruise at 15k. It is about 2 knots slower than the 3 blade MT propeller at 4k. And slightly faster tah the 3 blade by around 9k. If you are flying around 5k, then you'll want a 3 blade propeller. The st andard 3 blade MT Propeller assembly weighs around 56 pounds, conpared to 66 pounds for a Hartzell 2 blade propeller assembly on the same scales. The 3 blade MT propeller is about 2 knots faster than the "D" blade Hartze ll, and the same speed as the "J" blade Hartzell, at Reno race altitudes. With both the "D" blade Hartzell and the 3 blade MT Propeller strsight and level at full throttle, above 2600 RPM the aircraft losses about 3 mph. The "J" blade Hartzell keeps pulling to 2800 RPM. However, Wolfgang Meng says with 330 hp, the "J" stops at 2600 RPM, also. Regards, Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 6:48 am Subject: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! Guys, I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of my HR2 and go to a compo site propeller. I have seen several MT props for sale in BS and wonder how you MT flyers like your prop? I also like the Whirlwind but $$$ is a fact or. Jim A and Gummy are running 4 blades, how do you guys like them? Since most of my flying includes over the top aerobatics, a lighter nos e would be nice although my Hartzell 2 blade "paddle" has served me well. Any comments prop or con would be appreciated. Smokey ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Prop me Up!
Which prop offers most low speed thrust and climbs the best ? =0A-Dan Wes eman=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "lessdragprod(at)aol.c om" =0ATo: rocket-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, Jul y 6, 2010 11:46:10 PM=0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up!=0A=0AHi Smoke y,=0A=0ATom Gummo has the 4 blade propeller designed for the HR3 with a 380 hp engine.- =0ATom Gummo's HR2-doesn't have a 380 hp engine.- Theref ore, the speed loss.=0A=0AThe 4 blade-propeller designed for the HR2 with 260 hp is-set for cruise at =0A15k.- It is about 2 knots slower than t he 3 blade MT propeller at 4k.- And =0Aslightly faster tah the 3 blade by around 9k.=0A=0AIf you are flying around 5k, then you'll want a 3 blade pr opeller.- The standard =0A3 blade MT Propeller assembly-weighs around 5 6 pounds, conpared to 66 pounds for =0Aa Hartzell 2 blade propeller assembl y on the same scales.=0A=0AThe 3 blade MT propeller is about 2 knots faster than the "D" blade Hartzell, =0Aand the same speed as the "J" blade Hartze ll, at Reno race altitudes.=0AWith both the "D" blade Hartzell and the 3 bl ade MT Propeller strsight and =0Alevel-at full throttle, above 2600 RPM t he aircraft losses about 3 mph.=0AThe "J" blade Hartzell keeps pulling to 2 800 RPM.- However, Wolfgang Meng says =0Awith 330 hp, the "J" stops at 26 00 RPM, also.=0A=0ARegards,=0AJim Ayers=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0AFrom: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>=0ATo: Rocket List <rocket-list@m atronics.com>=0ASent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 6:48 am=0ASubject: Rocket-List: Prop me Up!=0A=0A=0AGuys, =0A=0A--I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of my HR2 and go to a composite =0Apropeller. I have seen several MT pr ops for sale in BS and wonder how you MT =0Aflyers like your prop? I also l ike the Whirlwind but $$$ is a factor. -Jim A and =0AGummy are running 4 blades, how do you guys like them?=0A-- Since most of my flying include s over the top aerobatics, a lighter nose =0Awould be nice although my Hart zell 2 blade "paddle" has served me well.-=0A=0A--Any comments prop o ==== =0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 07, 2010
Subject: Re: Prop me Up!
Smokey, I'm flying a lowly RV-8A with 210 HP (and thus don't need 3 blades), but I have the MT 3 blade and I'm mostly happy with it. In drag races with 2 blade Hartzells, I stay right with them. The spinner is chrome-look, made of Kevlar, and is very light. You can see the prop at _http://www.rv-8a.net/2007.htm_ (http://www.rv-8a.net/2007.htm) and scroll down to 2 Apr 07. I have flown in light to moderate rain and the leading edge of paint is shredded. Climb performance and acro performance with the 3 blade is excellent. Corrosion on the leading edge metal is a constant problem. Regards, Stan Sutterfield --I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of my HR2 and go to a co mposite propeller. I have seen several MT props for sale in BS and wonder h ow you MT flyers like your prop? I also like the Whirlwind but $$$ is a fac tor. -Jim A and Gummy are running 4 blades, how do you guys like them?- - Since most of my flying includes over the top aerobatics, a lighter nos e would be nice although my Hartzell 2 blade "paddle" has served me well ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Prop me Up!
Date: Jul 07, 2010
From: lessdragprod(at)aol.com
That would be the 80" diameter 3 blade MT Propeller that Sean Tucker and Kirby Chamblis use. We haven't talked about that one yet. Of course, cruise speed suffers sli ghtly. Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 5:54 am Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! Which prop offers most low speed thrust and climbs the best ? Dan Weseman danweseman(at)yahoo.com www.flycleanex.com www.fly5thbearing.com From: "lessdragprod(at)aol.com" <lessdragprod(at)aol.com> Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 11:46:10 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! Hi Smokey, Tom Gummo has the 4 blade propeller designed for the HR3 with a 380 hp eng ine. Tom Gummo's HR2 doesn't have a 380 hp engine. Therefore, the speed loss. The 4 blade propeller designed for the HR2 with 260 hp is set for cruise at 15k. It is about 2 knots slower than the 3 blade MT propeller at 4k. And slightly faster tah the 3 blade by around 9k. If you are flying around 5k, then you'll want a 3 blade propeller. The st andard 3 blade MT Propeller assembly weighs around 56 pounds, conpared to 66 pounds for a Hartzell 2 blade propeller assembly on the same scales. The 3 blade MT propeller is about 2 knots faster than the "D" blade Hartze ll, and the same speed as the "J" blade Hartzell, at Reno race altitudes. With both the "D" blade Hartzell and the 3 blade MT Propeller strsight and level at full throttle, above 2600 RPM the aircraft losses about 3 mph. The "J" blade Hartzell keeps pulling to 2800 RPM. However, Wolfgang Meng says with 330 hp, the "J" stops at 2600 RPM, also. Regards, Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 6, 2010 6:48 am Subject: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! Guys, I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of my HR2 and go to a compo site propeller. I have seen several MT props for sale in BS and wonder how you MT flyers like your prop? I also like the Whirlwind but $$$ is a fact or. Jim A and Gummy are running 4 blades, how do you guys like them? Since most of my flying includes over the top aerobatics, a lighter nos e would be nice although my Hartzell 2 blade "paddle" has served me well. Any comments prop or con would be appreciated. Smokey ======================== =========== -= - The Rocket-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Prop me Up!
Hi Gummy, greatly appreciate it! -My "classic" HR2 performs exactly like yours did with the 2 blade D twist. I operate off a short grass strip and m ost every flight involves aerobatics, so a light nose would be very nice. - -Jim Ayers is working some numbers up for a three blade MT, looking forwa rd to seeing it. Thanks again!Smokey- --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Tom Gummo wrote: From: Tom Gummo <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 1:18 PM =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A =0ASmokey,=0A-=0AI very much like the look of my MT prop.- As I =0Adon't fly in the weather and live in the desert, I have no t seen the effects of =0Arain on the paint.- I think I remember hearing a bout the paint taking a =0Abeating when flying in heavy rain.=0A-=0AI hav e two issues with the four blade MT prop I =0Ahave.- First, I lost about 10 knots TAS at cruise altitude with the four =0Ablade.- When I had the H artzell two blade,-at 10.5 or 11.5 my normal =0Acruise altitude, full thr ottle, prop back to 2100 or so, leaned out to 10.5 =0Agallons per hour, I t rued at 180 knots.- Now, I true at 170 knots under that same conditions. - Again, it =0Asure looks good.- Jim Ayers tells me that I don't have e nough power to use =0Athe prop properly (my IO-540 J4A5, is only 250 hp). - I did get a great deal =0Afrom John when I got it.- (See, I told you all that I have the slowest =0Arocket.)=0A-=0AJim Ayers allowed me to use a three blade MT prop =0Afor a couple weeks and it very hard to tell it th ere was any speed lost at =0Aall.- I keep trying to get him find someone that wants the four blade and =0Awill trade me for the three blade. =0A- =0ASecond, I use the full throttle hot start =0Atechnique.- As all the we ight is in the hub, it spins up quickly.- (It =0Awas only two pounds ligh ter than the Hartzell.)- So when the engine starts, =0Ait CAN very quickl y gets to 1200 to 1500 prm while I am reducing the throttle, =0Aadding mixt ure, etc. etc (normally, I don't see that high of rpm on start but it =0Aha s happened).=0AI have had the tail come off the ground and don't =0Awant AN OTHER-Prop strike (reason for getting another prop in the first =0Aplace) .- Which, it why I clear in front of me and if the plane wants to =0Aroll a couple feet while I am starting, I let it.- So, while I call this an =0Aissue, it is not problem at all.- Like most things, just learn to deal with =0Ait.=0A-=0ASo fly out to SoCal and-I will let-you =0Asee the prop from the-rear seat.- =0A:-)-----=0A-=0AGummiBear=0A=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: =0A Rob =0A Ray =0A To: Rocket List =0A Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:48 =0AAM=0A Subject: Rocket-List : Prop me Up!=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Guys,=0A =0A --I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of =0A my HR2 and go to a composite propeller. I have seen several MT =0A props for sale in BS and wonder how you MT flyers like yo ur prop? =0A I also like the Whirlwind but $$$ is a factor. -Jim A and =0A Gummy are running 4 blades, how do you guys l ike them?=0A -- Since most of my flying includes over the top =0A aerobatics, a lighter nose would be nice although my H artzell 2 =0A blade "paddle" has served me well.-=0A =0A --Any comments prop or con would be =0A a ppreciated.=0A =0A Smokey =0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.ma tronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref ="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, =0A version of virus sig nature database 5256 (20100706) __________ The =0A message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. =====================0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Re: Prop me Up!
Date: Jul 07, 2010
Rob, just to chime in, I love my MT 3 blade 205 kts TAS at max map, 2300 rpm and 11 gal/hr up to 9k then less above. I get about 500 miles with a 10 gal reserve, no wind. I normally cruise at 9 or above with max map and 2200 rpm yielding 198-200 kts TAS. I got my MT from Jim A. he is a great source of accurate info. Jim Stone Louisville Ky PS When we gonna have that east coast Rocket fly-in? On Jul 7, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Rob Ray wrote: Hi Gummy, greatly appreciate it! My "classic" HR2 performs exactly like yours did with the 2 blade D twist. I operate off a short grass strip and most every flight involves aerobatics, so a light nose would be very nice. Jim Ayers is working some numbers up for a three blade MT, looking forward to seeing it. Thanks again! Smokey --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Tom Gummo wrote: From: Tom Gummo <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 1:18 PM Smokey, I very much like the look of my MT prop. As I don't fly in the weather and live in the desert, I have not seen the effects of rain on the paint. I think I remember hearing about the paint taking a beating when flying in heavy rain. I have two issues with the four blade MT prop I have. First, I lost about 10 knots TAS at cruise altitude with the four blade. When I had the Hartzell two blade, at 10.5 or 11.5 my normal cruise altitude, full throttle, prop back to 2100 or so, leaned out to 10.5 gallons per hour, I trued at 180 knots. Now, I true at 170 knots under that same conditions. Again, it sure looks good. Jim Ayers tells me that I don't have enough power to use the prop properly (my IO-540 J4A5, is only 250 hp). I did get a great deal from John when I got it. (See, I told you all that I have the slowest rocket.) Jim Ayers allowed me to use a three blade MT prop for a couple weeks and it very hard to tell it there was any speed lost at all. I keep trying to get him find someone that wants the four blade and will trade me for the three blade. Second, I use the full throttle hot start technique. As all the weight is in the hub, it spins up quickly. (It was only two pounds lighter than the Hartzell.) So when the engine starts, it CAN very quickly gets to 1200 to 1500 prm while I am reducing the throttle, adding mixture, etc. etc (normally, I don't see that high of rpm on start but it has happened). I have had the tail come off the ground and don't want ANOTHER Prop strike (reason for getting another prop in the first place). Which, it why I clear in front of me and if the plane wants to roll a couple feet while I am starting, I let it. So, while I call this an issue, it is not problem at all. Like most things, just learn to deal with it. So fly out to SoCal and I will let you see the prop from the rear seat. :-) GummiBear ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Ray Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:48 AM Subject: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! Guys, I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of my HR2 and go to a composite propeller. I have seen several MT props for sale in BS and wonder how you MT flyers like your prop? I also like the Whirlwind but $$$ is a factor. Jim A and Gummy are running 4 blades, how do you guys like them? Since most of my flying includes over the top aerobatics, a lighter nose would be nice although my Hartzell 2 blade "paddle" has served me well. Any comments prop or con would be appreciated. Smokey href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronh ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5256 (20100706) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.matronics.com/Naet="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.-> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 07, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Prop me Up!
Hi Guys Im still up for a fall east coast rocket flyin. I talked to-my rv =0Afreinds and they are up for one here at-7FL (haller airpark) i-was wanting to =0Aget past Oshkosh-then start making plans,any suggestions fo r a date-etc- would =0Abe great. =0A=0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman@yaho o.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0AFrom: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>=0ATo: roc ket-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, July 7, 2010 7:34:50 PM=0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up!=0A=0ARob, just to chime in, I love my MT 3 blade 2 05 kts TAS at max map, 2300 rpm and =0A11 gal/hr up to 9k then less above. I get about 500 miles with a 10 gal reserve, =0Ano wind. -I normally crui se at 9 or above with max map and 2200 rpm yielding =0A198-200 kts TAS. - I got my MT from Jim A. he is a great source of accurate info. =0A=0AJim St one =0ALouisville Ky=0APS -When we gonna have that east coast Rocket fly- in?=0A=0A=0AOn Jul 7, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Rob Ray wrote:=0A=0AHi Gummy, great ly appreciate it! -My "classic" HR2 performs exactly like yours =0Adid wi th the 2 blade D twist. I operate off a short grass strip and most every =0Aflight involves aerobatics, so a light nose would be very nice.- =0A =0A=0A-Jim Ayers is working some numbers up for a three blade MT, looking forward to =0Aseeing it.=0A=0AThanks again!=0ASmokey-=0A=0A--- On Tue, 7 /6/10, Tom Gummo <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: Tom Gummo <t.g ummo(at)verizon.net>=0A>Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up!=0A>To: rocket-li st(at)matronics.com=0A>Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 1:18 PM=0A>=0A>=0A>Smokey, =0A>-=0A>I very much like the look of my MT prop.- As I don't fly in th e weather and live =0A>in the desert, I have not seen the effects of rain o n the paint.- I think I =0A>remember hearing about the paint taking a bea ting when flying in heavy rain.=0A>-=0A>I have two issues with the four b lade MT prop I have.- First, I lost about 10 =0A>knots TAS at cruise alti tude with the four blade.- When I had the Hartzell two =0A>blade,-at 10 .5 or 11.5 my normal cruise altitude, full throttle, prop back to =0A>2100 or so, leaned out to 10.5 gallons per hour, I trued at 180 knots.- Now, I =0A>true at 170 knots under that same conditions.- Again, it sure looks good.- Jim =0A>Ayers tells me that I don't have enough power to use the p rop properly (my =0A>IO-540 J4A5, is only 250 hp).- I did get a great dea l from John when I got it.- =0A>(See, I told you all that I have the slow est rocket.)=0A>-=0A>Jim Ayers allowed me to use a three blade MT prop fo r a couple weeks and it very =0A>hard to tell it there was any speed lost a t all.- I keep trying to get him find =0A>someone that wants the four bla de and will trade me for the three blade. =0A>=0A>-=0A>Second, I use the full throttle hot start technique.- As all the weight is in =0A>the hub, it spins up quickly.- (It was only two pounds lighter than the =0A>Hartze ll.)- So when the engine starts, it CAN very quickly gets to 1200 to 1500 =0A>prm while I am reducing the throttle, adding mixture, etc. etc (normal ly, I =0A>don't see that high of rpm on start but it has happened).=0A>I ha ve had the tail come off the ground and don't want ANOTHER-Prop strike =0A>(reason for getting another prop in the first place).- Which, it why I clear in =0A>front of me and if the plane wants to roll a couple feet whi le I am starting, I =0A>let it.- So, while I call this an issue, it is no t problem at all.- Like most =0A>things, just learn to deal with it.=0A> -=0A>So fly out to SoCal and-I will let-you see the prop from the-r ear seat.- =0A>:-)-----=0A>-=0A>GummiBear=0A>----- Original M essage ----- =0A>>From: Rob Ray =0A>>To: Rocket List =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, Ju ly 06, 2010 6:48 AM=0A>>Subject: Rocket-List: Prop me Up!=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Guy s, =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>--I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of my HR2 and go to a composite =0A>>propeller. I have seen several MT props for sale in BS and wonder how you MT =0A>>flyers like your prop? I also like th e Whirlwind but $$$ is a factor. -Jim A and =0A>>Gummy are running 4 blad es, how do you guys like them?=0A>>-- Since most of my flying includes over the top aerobatics, a lighter nose =0A>>would be nice although my Hart zell 2 blade "paddle" has served me well.-=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>--Any commen ts prop or con would be appreciated.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Smokey =0A>>=0A>> =0A> >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronh ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A>> href ="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A>> =0A>>=0A>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of viru s signature =0A>>database 5256 (20100706) __________=0A>>=0A>>The message w as checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Rocket-List =0A=0A =0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator ?Rocket-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List=0A href="htt p://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =0Ahref="http://ww w.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0A =============== =0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robmokry(at)covad.net
Subject: East Coast Rocket Flyin
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Re Right Coast Fly In Fly out to ACK with me this weekend! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Prop me Up!
Date: Jul 08, 2010
Thanks Jim! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > Rob, just to chime in, I love my MT 3 blade 205 kts TAS at max map, 2300 r pm and 11 gal/hr up to 9k then less above. I get about 500 miles with a 10 g al reserve, no wind. I normally cruise at 9 or above with max map and 2200 r pm yielding 198-200 kts TAS. I got my MT from Jim A. he is a great source o f accurate info. > Jim Stone > Louisville Ky > PS When we gonna have that east coast Rocket fly-in? > > > On Jul 7, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Rob Ray wrote: > > Hi Gummy, greatly appreciate it! My "classic" HR2 performs exactly like y ours did with the 2 blade D twist. I operate off a short grass strip and mos t every flight involves aerobatics, so a light nose would be very nice. > > Jim Ayers is working some numbers up for a three blade MT, looking forwar d to seeing it. > > Thanks again! > Smokey > > --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Tom Gummo wrote: > > From: Tom Gummo <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 1:18 PM > > Smokey, > > I very much like the look of my MT prop. As I don't fly in the weather an d live in the desert, I have not seen the effects of rain on the paint. I t hink I remember hearing about the paint taking a beating when flying in heav y rain. > > I have two issues with the four blade MT prop I have. First, I lost about 10 knots TAS at cruise altitude with the four blade. When I had the Hartze ll two blade, at 10.5 or 11.5 my normal cruise altitude, full throttle, prop back to 2100 or so, leaned out to 10.5 gallons per hour, I trued at 180 kno ts. Now, I true at 170 knots under that same conditions. Again, it sure lo oks good. Jim Ayers tells me that I don't have enough power to use the prop properly (my IO-540 J4A5, is only 250 hp). I did get a great deal from Joh n when I got it. (See, I told you all that I have the slowest rocket.) > > Jim Ayers allowed me to use a three blade MT prop for a couple weeks and i t very hard to tell it there was any speed lost at all. I keep trying to ge t him find someone that wants the four blade and will trade me for the three blade. > > Second, I use the full throttle hot start technique. As all the weight is in the hub, it spins up quickly. (It was only two pounds lighter than the H artzell.) So when the engine starts, it CAN very quickly gets to 1200 to 15 00 prm while I am reducing the throttle, adding mixture, etc. etc (normally, I don't see that high of rpm on start but it has happened). > I have had the tail come off the ground and don't want ANOTHER Prop strike (reason for getting another prop in the first place). Which, it why I clea r in front of me and if the plane wants to roll a couple feet while I am sta rting, I let it. So, while I call this an issue, it is not problem at all. Like most things, just learn to deal with it. > > So fly out to SoCal and I will let you see the prop from the rear seat. : -) > > GummiBear > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Ray > To: Rocket List > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:48 AM > Subject: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! > > Guys, > > I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of my HR2 and go to a compo site propeller. I have seen several MT props for sale in BS and wonder how y ou MT flyers like your prop? I also like the Whirlwind but $$$ is a factor. Jim A and Gummy are running 4 blades, how do you guys like them? > Since most of my flying includes over the top aerobatics, a lighter nos e would be nice although my Hartzell 2 blade "paddle" has served me well. > > Any comments prop or con would be appreciated. > > Smokey > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronh ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatu re database 5256 (20100706) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.matronics.com/Naet="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics. com">http://forums.matronics.-> > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Rocket-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Prop me Up!
Date: Jul 08, 2010
How about 1 Oct( my birthday:) Smokey Sent from my iPhone On Jul 7, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Daniel Weseman wrote: > Hi Guys Im still up for a fall east coast rocket flyin. I talked to my rv f reinds and they are up for one here at 7FL (haller airpark) i was wanting to get past Oshkosh then start making plans,any suggestions for a date etc wo uld be great. > > Dan Weseman > danweseman(at)yahoo.com > www.flycleanex.com > www.fly5thbearing.com > > > From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com> > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 7:34:50 PM > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! > > Rob, just to chime in, I love my MT 3 blade 205 kts TAS at max map, 2300 r pm and 11 gal/hr up to 9k then less above. I get about 500 miles with a 10 g al reserve, no wind. I normally cruise at 9 or above with max map and 2200 r pm yielding 198-200 kts TAS. I got my MT from Jim A. he is a great source o f accurate info. > Jim Stone > Louisville Ky > PS When we gonna have that east coast Rocket fly-in? > > > On Jul 7, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Rob Ray wrote: > > Hi Gummy, greatly appreciate it! My "classic" HR2 performs exactly like y ours did with the 2 blade D twist. I operate off a short grass strip and mos t every flight involves aerobatics, so a light nose would be very nice. > > Jim Ayers is working some numbers up for a three blade MT, looking forwar d to seeing it. > > Thanks again! > Smokey > > --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Tom Gummo wrote: > > From: Tom Gummo <t.gummo(at)verizon.net> > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 1:18 PM > > Smokey, > > I very much like the look of my MT prop. As I don't fly in the weather an d live in the desert, I have not seen the effects of rain on the paint. I t hink I remember hearing about the paint taking a beating when flying in heav y rain. > > I have two issues with the four blade MT prop I have. First, I lost about 10 knots TAS at cruise altitude with the four blade. When I had the Hartze ll two blade, at 10.5 or 11.5 my normal cruise altitude, full throttle, prop back to 2100 or so, leaned out to 10.5 gallons per hour, I trued at 180 kno ts. Now, I true at 170 knots under that same conditions. Again, it sure lo oks good. Jim Ayers tells me that I don't have enough power to use the prop properly (my IO-540 J4A5, is only 250 hp). I did get a great deal from Joh n when I got it. (See, I told you all that I have the slowest rocket.) > > Jim Ayers allowed me to use a three blade MT prop for a couple weeks and i t very hard to tell it there was any speed lost at all. I keep trying to ge t him find someone that wants the four blade and will trade me for the three blade. > > Second, I use the full throttle hot start technique. As all the weight is in the hub, it spins up quickly. (It was only two pounds lighter than the H artzell.) So when the engine starts, it CAN very quickly gets to 1200 to 15 00 prm while I am reducing the throttle, adding mixture, etc. etc (normally, I don't see that high of rpm on start but it has happened). > I have had the tail come off the ground and don't want ANOTHER Prop strike (reason for getting another prop in the first place). Which, it why I clea r in front of me and if the plane wants to roll a couple feet while I am sta rting, I let it. So, while I call this an issue, it is not problem at all. Like most things, just learn to deal with it. > > So fly out to SoCal and I will let you see the prop from the rear seat. : -) > > GummiBear > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Ray > To: Rocket List > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 6:48 AM > Subject: Rocket-List: Prop me Up! > > Guys, > > I have decided to "lighten up" the front end of my HR2 and go to a compo site propeller. I have seen several MT props for sale in BS and wonder how y ou MT flyers like your prop? I also like the Whirlwind but $$$ is a factor. Jim A and Gummy are running 4 blades, how do you guys like them? > Since most of my flying includes over the top aerobatics, a lighter nos e would be nice although my Hartzell 2 blade "paddle" has served me well. > > Any comments prop or con would be appreciated. > > Smokey > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronh ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatu re database 5256 (20100706) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Rocket-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution > > > http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 08, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: East Coast Rocket Flyin
what is ack?=0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com =0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "robmokry(at)covad.net" <robmokry(at)covad.net>=0ATo: rocket-list@matronics .com=0ASent: Thu, July 8, 2010 6:26:59 AM=0ASubject: Rocket-List: East Coas =0A=0ARe Right Coast Fly In=0A=0AFly out to ACK with me this weekend!=0A=0A ===============0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robmokry(at)covad.net
Subject: Re: East Coast Fly-In - 07/08/10
Date: Jul 09, 2010
ACK is Nantucket. Or could do Block Island or Martha's Vineyard. But weather may not cooperate this Sunday. Don't you need an over priced basket handbag to bring back the girls? I've got my Rocket out on the Poconos this summer- from Half Moon Bay (San Francisco) . I'm up for any east coast fly-ins through the end of Aug. From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: East Coast Rocket Flyin what is ack?=0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com =0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "robmokry(at)covad.net" <robmokry(at)covad.net>=0ATo: rocket-list@matronics .com=0ASent: Thu, July 8, 2010 6:26:59 AM=0ASubject: Rocket-List: East Coas =0A=0ARe Right Coast Fly In=0A=0AFly out to ACK with me this weekend!=0A=0A ===============0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: East Coast Fly-In - 07/08/10
Lets re-phrase that, SOUTH East regional fly-ins! :) Smokey --- On Fri, 7/9/10, robmokry(at)covad.net wrote: From: robmokry(at)covad.net <robmokry(at)covad.net> Subject: Rocket-List: Re: East Coast Fly-In - 07/08/10 Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 2:33 AM ACK is Nantucket. Or could do Block Island or Martha's Vineyard. But weathe r may not cooperate this Sunday. Don't you need an over priced basket handb ag to bring back the girls? I've got my Rocket out on the Poconos this summer- from Half Moon Bay (San Francisco) . I'm up for any east coast fly-ins through the end of Aug. From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: East Coast Rocket Flyin what is ack?=0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.c om =0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________ _________=0A From: "robmokry(at)covad.net" <robmokry(at)covad.net>=0ATo: rocket-list@matroni cs .com=0ASent: Thu, July 8, 2010 6:26:59 AM=0ASubject: Rocket-List: East Coas =0A=0ARe Right Coast Fly In=0A=0AFly out to ACK with me this weeken d!=0A=0A ===============0A=0A=0A le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Rocketeer housing at OSH
Date: Jul 12, 2010
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>
I am again offering b&B style beds in the classic brick Oshkosh house that I rent each year for RV rocket drivers. The housecomes with central air for those hot or humid nights, newly remodeled kitchen, big screen HDTV (with video input fo ryour dail shots), fresh towels, cold beer and toiletry service. I will transport campers each day To/From Airventure 2010. Available from Saturday, July 24th through Sunday, August for $250 per occupant = nine nights and days. Send me an eamil with your phone number and I will promptly call back to secure your First class accomodations. It is way beyond camping on the field in a tent or staying in a Dorm at the UW-OSH. John Cox johnwcox at pacificnw.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: robmokry(at)covad.net
Subject: Re: East Coast Rocket Flyin
Date: Jul 13, 2010
Didnt make Nantucket as it was IFR 800 in mist and haze and didn't want a repeat of the Kennedy thing - but then again I didn't have two gorgeous blondes arguing in the back seat. , but Block Island was reporting VFR and Marthas Vineyard was MVFR at departure and opened up. So we landed at Marthas Vineyard and took the bus into town. And of course by then New York and Western Pennsylvania were reporting isolated thunderstorms for our return home. A great destination and well worth the flight time. But can anyone really understand a controller from Boston Center? So the Rocket has flown from Coast to Coast Will upload a photo. From: robmokry(at)covad.net Subject: Rocket-List: Re: East Coast Fly-In - 07/08/10 ACK is Nantucket. Or could do Block Island or Martha's Vineyard. But weather may not cooperate this Sunday. Don't you need an over priced basket handbag to bring back the girls? I've got my Rocket out on the Poconos this summer- from Half Moon Bay (San Francisco) . I'm up for any east coast fly-ins through the end of Aug. From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: East Coast Rocket Flyin what is ack? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FS: Tennessee Farm with Airstrip, and large attached
hangar!
From: "Ratherfly" <longmeadowfarm(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 04, 2010
Price is now reduced to $499,000. Motivated Seller. http://tinyurl.com/ownyourdream Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307515#307515 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/26_865.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: [TruthByRushDelivery] Power Freak
Date: Aug 06, 2010
A bit of sentimental aviation recollection. By Nico to TruthByRushDelivery <http://truth.byrushdelivery.com/2010/08/power-freak.html> at 8/06/2010 03:08:00 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Grass Field HR Operations
Date: Aug 14, 2010
From: johntmey(at)aol.com
Rocketeers, I have my HR for sale.... and I have a serious buyer who wants to operate on grass. My operations are always on pavement. I've ventured onto grass recently.. . tried removing pants 1st just to see what the performance issues were. Rocket is a lot slower and uglier in that config. I searched back into rocketlist archive regarding grass field operations. Rob Ray's comments (Desser tires) are good... Andrew in New Zealand, gra ss operator. Anyone else ? What are issues ? If you are caretaker of your grass strip, how close do you crop the grass. .. roll the surface... keep it smooth ?? Thanks in advance for your comments. John Meyers N5800 Sequim WA ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Date: Aug 14, 2010
Subject: Rocket grass ops
SNIP I have my HR for sale.... and I have a serious buyer who wants to operate on grass. My operations are always on pavement. I've ventured onto grass recently.. . tried removing pants 1st just to see what the performance issues were. Rocket is a lot slower and uglier in that config. I searched back into rocketlist archive regarding grass field operations. Rob Ray's comments (Desser tires) are good... Andrew in New Zealand, gra ss operator. Anyone else ? What are issues ? If you are caretaker of your grass strip, how close do you crop the grass. .. roll the surface... keep it smooth ?? Thanks in advance for your comments. John Meyers N5800 Sequim WA SNIP *************************************************************************************** Rockets love grass. What's the problem? I'd rather land on a grass strip than paved under normal conditions. We roll our strip once a year, mow to normal height, and keep an eye out for mole or other damage. No different than keeping an eye out for chuckholes in pavement. Vince in SW Indiana ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 14, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket grass ops
John, --I have operated my Rocket off of my very soft 1800' strip for nearly five years with no issues. I operated my RV4 from the same strip and many l ess improved before that, no worries. The airplanes were designed for off f ield operations until more speed became the ultimate goal from the "group" and fairings and wheel-pants became closer faired and nearer to terra firma .-- I modified my HR2 by removing the Sam James pants and fairings and purchasing a set of Team Rocket leg fairings and Vans Pressure Recovery pan ts. Using Steve Sampson's RV4 blog as a guide, I installed a set of Aero Cl assic 380X150X5 main tires and one of Vince's lightweight tall tailwheels o n my API tailwheel assembly. My friend Ronnie helped me trim the pants at a height to be 4" above ground at the rear of=0A the tire in level flight at titude. We cut the hole so the pant blends down around the center of the wh eel but is higher at the front and back. The first test flight was on a mud dy day and I immediately noticed the difference in ground handling and the first landing on soft ground was noticeably less "digging in". The side ben efit was pavement handling improved as well. Other that that I have gotten very adept at 69 knot approach speeds and landing on the first blade of gra ss on short strips. I recommend nothing shorter than 1000' feet unless you have a mission requirement for such. :) -I have also experimented with pa rtial flap takeoffs. Ten degrees does help get off quicker into ground effe ct. That's all I have to say about that! Good Luck!SmokeyHR2 http://gikonfinsh.blogspot.com/ Steve Sampson's excellent Blog --- On Sat, 8/14/10, Frazier, Vincent A wrote: From: Frazier, Vincent A <VFrazier(at)usi.edu> Subject: Rocket-List: Rocket grass ops Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 7:56 AM SNIP I have my HR for sale.... and I have a serious buyer who wants to oper ate on grass. My operations are always on pavement.- I've ventured onto grass recently. . . tried removing pants 1st just to see what the performance issues were. Rocket is a lot slower and uglier in that config. I searched back into rocketlist archive regarding grass field operations. - Rob Ray's comments (Desser tires) are good... Andrew in New Zealand, gr a ss operator. Anyone else=0A ?- What are issues ? If you are caretaker of your grass strip, how close do you crop the grass. .. roll the surface... keep it smooth ?? Thanks in advance for your comments. John Meyers N5800- Sequim WA SNIP *************************************************************************** ************ Rockets love grass.- What's the problem?- I'd rather land on a grass st rip than paved under normal conditions. We roll our strip once a year, mow to normal height, and keep an eye out fo r mole or other damage.- No different than keeping an eye out for chuckho les in pavement. Vince in SW Indiana le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
Date: Aug 16, 2010
Subject: Grass Field HR Operations - my 2c
Andrew is actually in Hastings Nebraska, cycling towards California. Slowly . And, um, hotly. You Americans live in a hot country! But here's my nickel on grass field ops in the Rocket, specifically HR2 in my case. Which is that: Smokey and Vince are right - no probs. In my case, I just have the standard setup re tyres etc, and I operate in and out of grass all the time. No wor ries. Grass length? Truth be told, I prefer it very long, as in 18 inches o r so. Doesn't make much difference getting airborne, but slows you down nic ely landing. In any case, it probably demonstrates the point that the lengt h doesn't really matter, at least in my experience. Not to a Rocket, althou gh grass length certainly matters to some other machines. Strip length and softness, however, are important. I won't rave about lengt h - it's obvious. More important to landing than takeoff, in a Rocket. Rock ets don't like soft field very much though - they're a little nose heavy. I t can be done though. Grass, per se, no problem. Grass on top of muddy or v ery soft surface, not so good. Feel free to put your prospective buyer in touch with me if they'd like a m ore considered report on grass-field ops in a Rocket. Hope that helps. a __________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________ Andrew Fairfax | CEO | ACTIVE NEW ZEALAND AND ACTIVE SOUTH AMERICA PO Box 972 | Queenstown, New Zealand 9300 | +64.3.441.2045 Free phone Numbers | 1.800.661.9073 (US & Canada) | 0808.234.7780 (UK) Fax Numbers | +64-3-409-0119 (NZ) | 1-603-251-1051 (US & Canada) www.activenewzealand.com | www.activesouthamerica.com Avoid infinite email loops! Unless I've asked for a reply, you're welcome to not reply. Really :) If you email me, you can rely on me having got it. I don't always reply to everything, but feel free to resend if you feel I o ught to have replied. ________________________________ From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-serv er(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of johntmey(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 5:22 PM Subject: Rocket-List: Grass Field HR Operations Rocketeers, I have my HR for sale.... and I have a serious buyer who wants to operate o n grass. My operations are always on pavement. I've ventured onto grass recently... tried removing pants 1st just to see what the performance issues were. Rocket is a lot slower and uglier in that config. I searched back into rocketlist archive regarding grass field operations. Rob Ray's comments (Desser tires) are good... Andrew in New Zealand, grass operator. Anyone else ? What are issues ? If you are caretaker of your grass strip, how close do you crop the grass.. . roll the surface... keep it smooth ?? Thanks in advance for your comments. John Meyers N5800 Sequim WA ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 15, 2010
Subject: Re: Grass Field HR Operations - my 2c
From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>
Way cool, Andrew! That's an adventurous life you lead!! Lee... On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 6:39 PM, ACTIVE NZ - Andrew wrote: > Andrew is actually in Hastings Nebraska, cycling towards California. > Slowly. And, um, hotly. You Americans live in a hot country! > > But here's my nickel on grass field ops in the Rocket, specifically HR2 in > my case. Which is that: > > Smokey and Vince are right - no probs. In my case, I just have the standard > setup re tyres etc, and I operate in and out of grass all the time. No > worries. Grass length? Truth be told, I prefer it very long, as in 18 inches > or so. Doesn't make much difference getting airborne, but slows you down > nicely landing. In any case, it probably demonstrates the point that the > length doesn't really matter, at least in my experience. Not to a Rocket, > although grass length certainly matters to some other machines. > > Strip length and softness, however, are important. I won't rave about > length - it's obvious. More important to landing than takeoff, in a Rocket. > Rockets don't like soft field very much though - they're a little nose > heavy. It can be done though. Grass, per se, no problem. Grass on top of > muddy or very soft surface, not so good. > > Feel free to put your prospective buyer in touch with me if they'd like a > more considered report on grass-field ops in a Rocket. > > Hope that helps. > > a > > > ** > > > *Andrew Fairfax** **| CEO |** ACTIVE NEW ZEALAND AND ACTIVE SOUTH AMERICA > *PO Box 972 | Queenstown, New Zealand 9300 | +64.3.441.2045 > Free phone Numbers | 1.800.661.9073 (US & Canada) | 0808.234.7780 (UK) > Fax Numbers | +64-3-409-0119 (NZ) | 1-603-251-1051 (US & Canada) > www.activenewzealand.com | www.activesouthamerica.com > > * Avoid infinite email loops! Unless I've asked for a reply, you're > welcome to not reply. Really :) If you email me, you can rely on me having > got it. I don't always reply to everything, but feel free to resend if you > feel I ought to have replied. * > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *johntmey(at)aol.com > *Sent:* Saturday, August 14, 2010 5:22 PM > *To:* rocket-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Rocket-List: Grass Field HR Operations > > **Rocketeers, > > I have my HR for sale.... and I have a serious buyer who wants to operate > on grass. > > My operations are always on pavement. I've ventured onto grass recently... > tried removing pants 1st just to see what the performance issues were. > Rocket is a lot slower and uglier in that config. > > I searched back into rocketlist archive regarding grass field operations. > Rob Ray's comments (Desser tires) are good... Andrew in New Zealand, grass > operator. > Anyone else ? What are issues ? > > If you are caretaker of your grass strip, how close do you crop the > grass... roll the surface... keep it smooth ?? > > Thanks in advance for your comments. > > John Meyers N5800 Sequim WA > > * > > ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-Listics.com > .matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 16, 2010
From: <f1rocket(at)unusualattitude.ca>
Subject: Re: Grass Field HR Operations - my 2c
I operate mine off of two different strips and the only mod I made was to install one of Vince's tail wheels. I was digging trenches when the field was soft as there was not much clearance below the tail wheel, but overall no problems. I try to keep the grass below 6 inches, but that is only because I end up with grass hanging from the pants and tail wheel if it is any longer. One strip is 2000 ft and the other is 3200, so no worries about length. Jeff wrote: > Way cool, Andrew! That's an adventurous life you lead!! > > > Lee... > > On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 6:39 PM, ACTIVE NZ - Andrew > wrote: > >> Andrew is actually in Hastings Nebraska, cycling towards California. >> Slowly. And, um, hotly. You Americans live in a hot country! >> >> But here's my nickel on grass field ops in the Rocket, specifically HR2 >> in >> my case. Which is that: >> >> Smokey and Vince are right - no probs. In my case, I just have the >> standard >> setup re tyres etc, and I operate in and out of grass all the time. No >> worries. Grass length? Truth be told, I prefer it very long, as in 18 >> inches >> or so. Doesn't make much difference getting airborne, but slows you down >> nicely landing. In any case, it probably demonstrates the point that the >> length doesn't really matter, at least in my experience. Not to a Rocket, >> although grass length certainly matters to some other machines. >> >> Strip length and softness, however, are important. I won't rave about >> length - it's obvious. More important to landing than takeoff, in a >> Rocket. >> Rockets don't like soft field very much though - they're a little nose >> heavy. It can be done though. Grass, per se, no problem. Grass on top of >> muddy or very soft surface, not so good. >> >> Feel free to put your prospective buyer in touch with me if they'd like a >> more considered report on grass-field ops in a Rocket. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> ** >> >> >> >> *Andrew Fairfax** **| CEO |** ACTIVE NEW ZEALAND AND ACTIVE SOUTH AMERICA >> *PO Box 972 | Queenstown, New Zealand 9300 | +64.3.441.2045 >> Free phone Numbers | 1.800.661.9073 (US & Canada) | 0808.234.7780 (UK) >> Fax Numbers | +64-3-409-0119 (NZ) | 1-603-251-1051 (US & Canada) >> www.activenewzealand.com | www.activesouthamerica.com >> >> * Avoid infinite email loops! Unless I've asked for a reply, you're >> welcome to not reply. Really :) If you email me, you can rely on me >> having >> got it. I don't always reply to everything, but feel free to resend if >> you >> feel I ought to have replied. * >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *johntmey(at)aol.com >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 14, 2010 5:22 PM >> *To:* rocket-list(at)matronics.com >> *Subject:* Rocket-List: Grass Field HR Operations >> >> **Rocketeers, >> >> I have my HR for sale.... and I have a serious buyer who wants to operate >> on grass. >> >> My operations are always on pavement. I've ventured onto grass >> recently... >> tried removing pants 1st just to see what the performance issues were. >> Rocket is a lot slower and uglier in that config. >> >> I searched back into rocketlist archive regarding grass field operations. >> Rob Ray's comments (Desser tires) are good... Andrew in New Zealand, >> grass >> operator. >> Anyone else ? What are issues ? >> >> If you are caretaker of your grass strip, how close do you crop the >> grass... roll the surface... keep it smooth ?? >> >> Thanks in advance for your comments. >> >> John Meyers N5800 Sequim WA >> >> * >> >> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-Listics.com >> .matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> * >> >> * >> >> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2010
Subject: Grass Field HR Operations - my 2c
Ha! Thank you Lee. Not sure, just now, if it's "adventurous", or "dumb". Fe els a bit of the latter - it's really hot here. To put it mildly. Still. Go od to be getting the exercise. How's your Rocketeering coming along? Andrew __________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________ Andrew Fairfax | CEO | ACTIVE NEW ZEALAND AND ACTIVE SOUTH AMERICA PO Box 972 | Queenstown, New Zealand 9300 | +64.3.441.2045 Free phone Numbers | 1.800.661.9073 (US & Canada) | 0808.234.7780 (UK) Fax Numbers | +64-3-409-0119 (NZ) | 1-603-251-1051 (US & Canada) www.activenewzealand.com | www.activesouthamerica.com Avoid infinite email loops! Unless I've asked for a reply, you're welcome to not reply. Really :) If you email me, you can rely on me having got it. I don't always reply to everything, but feel free to resend if you feel I o ught to have replied. ________________________________ From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-serv er(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lee Logan Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Grass Field HR Operations - my 2c Way cool, Andrew! That's an adventurous life you lead!! Lee... On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 6:39 PM, ACTIVE NZ - Andrew > wrote: Andrew is actually in Hastings Nebraska, cycling towards California. Slowly . And, um, hotly. You Americans live in a hot country! But here's my nickel on grass field ops in the Rocket, specifically HR2 in my case. Which is that: Smokey and Vince are right - no probs. In my case, I just have the standard setup re tyres etc, and I operate in and out of grass all the time. No wor ries. Grass length? Truth be told, I prefer it very long, as in 18 inches o r so. Doesn't make much difference getting airborne, but slows you down nic ely landing. In any case, it probably demonstrates the point that the lengt h doesn't really matter, at least in my experience. Not to a Rocket, althou gh grass length certainly matters to some other machines. Strip length and softness, however, are important. I won't rave about lengt h - it's obvious. More important to landing than takeoff, in a Rocket. Rock ets don't like soft field very much though - they're a little nose heavy. I t can be done though. Grass, per se, no problem. Grass on top of muddy or v ery soft surface, not so good. Feel free to put your prospective buyer in touch with me if they'd like a m ore considered report on grass-field ops in a Rocket. Hope that helps. a __________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________ Andrew Fairfax | CEO | ACTIVE NEW ZEALAND AND ACTIVE SOUTH AMERICA PO Box 972 | Queenstown, New Zealand 9300 | +64.3.441.2045 Free phone Numbers | 1.800.661.9073 (US & Canada) | 0808.234.7780 (UK) Fax Numbers | +64-3-409-0119 (NZ) | 1-603-251-1051 (US & Canada) www.activenewzealand.com | www.activesouthamerica.com Avoid infinite email loops! Unless I've asked for a reply, you're welcome to not reply. Really :) If you email me, you can rely on me having got it. I don't always reply to everything, but feel free to resend if you feel I o ught to have replied. ________________________________ From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-rocket-list-serve r(at)matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of johntmey(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 5:22 PM Subject: Rocket-List: Grass Field HR Operations Rocketeers, I have my HR for sale.... and I have a serious buyer who wants to operate o n grass. My operations are always on pavement. I've ventured onto grass recently... tried removing pants 1st just to see what the performance issues were. Rocket is a lot slower and uglier in that config. I searched back into rocketlist archive regarding grass field operations. Rob Ray's comments (Desser tires) are good... Andrew in New Zealand, grass operator. Anyone else ? What are issues ? If you are caretaker of your grass strip, how close do you crop the grass.. . roll the surface... keep it smooth ?? Thanks in advance for your comments. John Meyers N5800 Sequim WA ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List<http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Rocket-List> ics.com<http://ics.com> .matronics.com/contribution<http://matronics.com/contribution> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: ACTIVE NZ - Andrew <andrew(at)nzactive.com>
Date: Aug 20, 2010
Subject: Apologies to y'all for posting previous emails publically
- thought I was offlist. Andrew. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2010
Subject: Re: Grass Field HR Operations - my 2c
From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>
Hi Andrew! Mine is down right now for its annual inspection (called a "conditional" inspection for experimentals in the U.S.). I'm dropping a Garmin 530W in it and selling my GNC 300XL and SL-30. A new instrument panel and a few other changes, full paint job and we're off! I still can't believe I first flew it over a year ago. 135 flights in a year...not too bad. Have sure had a lot of fun with it. I'm still trying to retire but can't in this economy (gotta sell my house first), but as soon as I do, I'll be on the road on my KLR-650. I plan to ride the TAT and probably the Continental Divide trail as well. After that, we'll see, but for now at least, I'm up for Alaska and South America as well. I loved riding New Zealand years ago and I've hit Chile and Taz (twice) as well. Great fun. Enjoy your ride---I'm jealous!! Lee... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Subject: Recomendation on wheel pants, gear leg fairings and intersection
fairings
Date: Aug 30, 2010
I would like any opinions on the best way to go on the wheel pant and fairing decision. I'm interested in speed, good looks and ease of installation. Also, is there any reason to put wood on the aft side of the gear legs? TIA, Jim Stone ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recomendation on wheel pants, gear leg fairings and intersection
fairings
Date: Aug 30, 2010
Jim, I challenge my pants and fairings with off road use! I use team rocket leg fairings over the legs. I wrapped the legs with electricians bundling tape, no wood. Pants are Vans pressure recovery over 380x150x5 tires. 4 inch height at rear of tire in level flight attitude . Works well for me, good luck! Smokey Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Jim Stone wrote: > > I would like any opinions on the best way to go on the wheel pant and fairing decision. > I'm interested in speed, good looks and ease of installation. > Also, is there any reason to put wood on the aft side of the gear legs? > > TIA, > Jim Stone > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Recomendation on wheel pants, gear leg fairings and intersection
fairings
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Date: Aug 30, 2010
Great choice, I am familiar with that set up and was wondering if there is anything else out there worth considering. Jim On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Rob Ray wrote: Jim, I challenge my pants and fairings with off road use! I use team rocket leg fairings over the legs. I wrapped the legs with electricians bundling tape, no wood. Pants are Vans pressure recovery over 380x150x5 tires. 4 inch height at rear of tire in level flight attitude . Works well for me, good luck! Smokey Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Jim Stone wrote: > > I would like any opinions on the best way to go on the wheel pant and fairing decision. > I'm interested in speed, good looks and ease of installation. > Also, is there any reason to put wood on the aft side of the gear legs? > > TIA, > Jim Stone > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 30, 2010
Subject: Re: Recomendation on wheel pants, gear leg fairings and
intersection fairings
From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>
Just did mine the standard way with wooden slats on the aft side and fiberglass wrapping. Sure seems less flexible than the bare gear legs, but I'm told my gear "walk" a little at taxing speeds some times. I've never seen it or felt it though... "Balanced" my wheel pants with steel shot in the nose of the front half (glassed it in, balancing the front and back wheel pants around the bolt axis. Don't think that's much different from anyone else, though... Lee... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recomendation on wheel pants, gear leg fairings and intersection
fairings
Date: Aug 31, 2010
Jim, I am investigating the use of Kevlar leg fairings and making a new set of "quick removal" pants. I'll post the results when I install them. Smokey Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Jim Stone wrote: > > Great choice, I am familiar with that set up and was wondering if there is anything else out there worth considering. > Jim > On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Rob Ray wrote: > > > Jim, I challenge my pants and fairings with off road use! I use team rocket leg fairings over the legs. I wrapped the legs with electricians bundling tape, no wood. Pants are Vans pressure recovery over 380x150x5 tires. 4 inch height at rear of tire in level flight attitude . Works well for me, good luck! > Smokey > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 30, 2010, at 6:44 AM, Jim Stone wrote: > >> >> I would like any opinions on the best way to go on the wheel pant and fairing decision. >> I'm interested in speed, good looks and ease of installation. >> Also, is there any reason to put wood on the aft side of the gear legs? >> >> TIA, >> Jim Stone >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rocket grass ops
From: "qaz11" <sinkar88(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sep 01, 2010
Here are some facts culled from several sources about the bombing.... (1.) Out of 28,410 houses in the inner city of Dresden, 24,866 were destroyed. An area of 15 square kilometres was totally destroyed, among that: 14,000 homes, 72 schools, 22 hospitals, 18 churches, 5 theatres, 50 banks and insurance companies, 31 department stores, 31 large hotels, 62 administration buildings as well as factories such as the Ihagee camera works. In total there were 222,000 apartments in the city. 75,000 of them were totally destroyed, 11,000 severely damaged, 7,000 damaged, 81,000 slightly damaged. The city was around 300 square kilometres in area in those days. Although the main railway station was destroyed completely, the railway was working again within a few days. (2.) The Nazis made use of Dresden in their propaganda efforts and promised swift retaliation. The Soviets also made propaganda use of the Dresden bombing in the early years of the Cold War to alienate the East Germans from the Americans and British. (3.) Development of a German political response to the raid took several turns. Initially some of the leadership, especially Robert Ley and Joseph Goebbels, wanted to use it as a pretext for abandonment of the Geneva Conventions on the Western Front. In the end, the only political action the German government took was to exploit it for propaganda purposes. ("Dresden: Tuesday, February 13, 1945". By Frederick Taylor, page 420-426) (4.) The destruction of the city provoked unease in intellectual circles in Britain. According to Max Hastings (a renowned British historian), by February 1945, attacks upon German cities had become largely irrelevant to the outcome of the war and the name of Dresden possessed a resonance for cultured people all over Europe "the home of so much charm and beauty, a refuge for Trollope's heroines, a landmark of the Grand Tour." He argues that the bombing of Dresden was the first time Allied populations questioned the military actions used to defeat the Nazis. ================================== Life Insurance Calculator (http://www.aussie.com.au/insurance/life-insurance.htm)| Life Insurance Comparison (http://www.aussie.com.au/insurance/life-insurance.htm) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=310902#310902 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket grass ops
Date: Sep 01, 2010
The destruction of the city provoked unease in intellectual circles in Britain. According to Max Hastings (a renowned British historian), by February 1945, attacks upon German cities had become largely irrelevant to the outcome of the war and the name of Dresden possessed a resonance for cultured people all over Europe ?" "the home of so much charm and beauty, a refuge for Trollope's heroines, a landmark of the Grand Tour." He argues that the bombing of Dresden was the first time Allied populations questioned the military actions used to defeat the Nazis... Hi, as a lurker on the Rocket list ( just interest as I fly a microlight) I am loth to post this but I just cannot let a discussion of Dresden pass by without comment. Being 81 I lived through the war ( and got bombed out) and perhaps have a different viewpoint than those `second guessers` born later who have had the luxury of hindsight when evaluating what should and should not have been done. Max Hastings is of course right when he says that there was `unease` in intellectual circles. There was unease after we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki but this was a problem which had to be solved IMMEDIATELY. The decision would not wait for the luxury of intellectual discussion. There was a war on, decisions had to be made NOW. The Germans and the Japs were still fighting, they were not giving up. We had them on the back foot certainly but that is the time to attack, not ease off. There was no `unease` among the men who had to go in and die on the ground in Germany or storming the beaches of the Japanese homeland. They all said `Serve the bastards right, they started it` There seems to be the idea that Dresden was sitting there making Dresden porcelain figures. Were they hell. Any more than Bath or Coventry were.Bath was stuffed to the gills with Admiralty Planning Departments and you couldn`t throw a stone in Coventry without hitting an engineering works. They were all `legitimate` targets. Remember too that this was the end of the war and we had brought bombing to a pretty fine art. We had a lot of practice and lost a lot of Bomber Command and the American Airforce refining the problem. If Germany had been as expert in bombing in the early part of the war as we were then do you think that she would have worried about Bath, Bristol, Coventry, Plymouth, London having `cultural resonance`. Of course not. They did their best to wipe out those cities, it is just that ,like us at that time, they were not very good at it. Poor old `Bomber` Harris got a lot of stick just for carrying out his orders. He was denied the rewards which were handed out to the commanders of every other arm of the Services. His men ,who died in their thousands, were denied a Campaign Medal even. Suddenly, when the need for them had passed everyone became holier than thou` and began to voice doubts about the bombing campaign, and decrying the efficacy of the results. Sorry to but in Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Jim Stone <jrstone(at)insightbb.com>
Date: Sep 10, 2010
Does anyone know the contact info for Full throttle concepts,inc? They sell the silver bullet. Thanks, Jim Stone ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 11, 2010
Subject: Re: Dresden
Pat, You were quite right to butt in. Your first hand experience adds insight. It's terrible that we upset the "cultured people" all over Europe. Those Europeans should have raises their concerns about "wartime culture" with the Nazis. I love Germany, but personally, I'm glad we have to option to speak, or not speak, German. We owe the allies who fought and won that war an enormous debt. Stan Sutterfield The destruction of the city provoked unease in intellectual circles in Britain. According to Max Hastings (a renowned British historian), by February 1945, attacks upon German cities had become largely irrelevant to the outcome of the war and the name of Dresden possessed a resonance for cultured people all over Europe ?" "the home of so much charm and beauty, a refuge for Trollope's heroines, a landmark of the Grand Tour." He argues that the bombing of Dresden was the first time Allied populations questioned the military actions used to defeat the Nazis... Hi, as a lurker on the Rocket list ( just interest as I fly a microlight) I am loth to post this but I just cannot let a discussion of Dresden pass by without comment. Being 81 I lived through the war ( and got bombed out) and perhaps have a different viewpoint than those `second guessers` born later who have had the luxury of hindsight when evaluating what should and should not have been done. Max Hastings is of course right when he says that there was `unease` in intellectual circles. There was unease after we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki but this was a problem which had to be solved IMMEDIATELY. The decision would not wait for the luxury of intellectual discussion. There was a war on, decisions had to be made NOW. The Germans and the Japs were still fighting, they were not giving up. We had them on the back foot certainly but that is the time to attack, not ease off. There was no `unease` among the men who had to go in and die on the ground in Germany or storming the beaches of the Japanese homeland. They all said `Serve the bastards right, they started it` There seems to be the idea that Dresden was sitting there making Dresden porcelain figures. Were they hell. Any more than Bath or Coventry were.Bath was stuffed to the gills with Admiralty Planning Departments and you couldn`t throw a stone in Coventry without hitting an engineering works. They were all `legitimate` targets. Remember too that this was the end of the war and we had brought bombing to a pretty fine art. We had a lot of practice and lost a lot of Bomber Command and the American Airforce refining the problem. If Germany had been as expert in bombing in the early part of the war as we were then do you think that she would have worried about Bath, Bristol, Coventry, Plymouth, London having `cultural resonance`. Of course not. They did their best to wipe out those cities, it is just that ,like us at that time, they were not very good at it. Poor old `Bomber` Harris got a lot of stick just for carrying out his orders. He was denied the rewards which were handed out to the commanders of every other arm of the Services. His men ,who died in their thousands, were denied a Campaign Medal even. Suddenly, when the need for them had passed everyone became holier than thou` and began to voice doubts about the bombing campaign, and decrying the efficacy of the results. Sorry to but in Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Dresden
Date: Sep 11, 2010
You were quite right to butt in.>> Thanks Stan. Nice to have someone agree with me . I seem to find myself more and more in disagreement with those around me (not my contemporaries) these days. Just to up my flying credentials a bit. Although I do fly a microlight, I have a Jabi. 2200 in the power department. Cheers Good flying Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 11, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: south taxi way
=0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thb earing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Forwarded Message ----=0AFrom: Sabina Pryce-Jo nes =0ATo: Daniel Weseman =0ASent : Sat, September 11, 2010 10:25:57 AM=0ASubject: Re: south taxi way=0A=0A =0ADan=0AI agree with your approach. Let's wait to see what the engineer sa ys. Then we =0Ashould probably move forward as lot owners with the DEP on p ermitting driveway =0Aand utility easement through the wetlands. -I also have a friend who use to work =0Aat DEP who I will consult with.-=0AThank s=0ASabina=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn Sep 11, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Danie l Weseman wrote:=0A=0A=0APat ,To secure the easment for T&G I need to know where our taxiway will =0Aconnect. The two factors t hat determine this are=0A>-1. The decision on the "wetland area"=0A>Per y our email we will know more about this Monday. =0A>-2.-The power pole a t the corner of Airpark east and south.=0A>-- Ed Witt is handeling this and will let us know what Clay electric says. Per =0A>the current "aggreme nt "with Bob Weseman and Buzz Glade we need to stick to our =0A>origanal pl an. the power pole can be moved 10ft south or-removed and run =0A>undergr ound from the next pole north (best option in my opinin)=0A>---Also i think it may be best if-The lot owners with the wetlands (Rachel and I =0A>and Sabina) file fill permits for 30ft wide access and utilites. This w as the =0A>easy part of my last dealing with DEP. The area is tiny and unle ss alot has =0A>changed will not need to be mitigated. If we do it as a gro up .... they will see =0A>this as a development!!! =0A>=0A>=0A>-So I thin k to get the easment correct we need to--wait for information from =0A> Clay Electric and the Enviormental Enginer this week. I will then work with Bob =0A>and Buzz and we will move foward.=0A>=0A>Thanks =0A>Dan Weseman=0A >danweseman(at)yahoo.com=0A>www.flycleanex.com=0A>www.fly5thbearing.com =0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "pdleeinfla@aol .com" =0A>To: 1captdon1(at)att.net; jaxvanderbilt(at)comcast. net; weseman(at)cproducts.net; =0A>Sabinapj(at)gmail.com; danweseman(at)yahoo.com; d avedollarhide(at)msn.com; =0A>ewittsr(at)mecojax.com=0A>Sent: Wed, September 8, 2 010 9:24:33 PM=0A>Subject: Updates=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Ladies and gents,- Thanks for the input.- I will tell Sarah to make changes to =0A>match byl aws and to clarify-common areas to be taxiway easements where =0A>necessa ry.- We have been talking to SJRWMD about our wetland issue.- We all kn ew =0A>it was an issue, but the question was basically: how do we address i t?- I talked =0A>to a wetland consultant tonight that is going to give us advice as to how to =0A>proceed and what our options really are.- Steve Hakala is a friend of Dave =0A>Vanderbilt and was very helpful over the pho ne. His cost is $150.- He will look =0A>at the area next Monday and tell us the best way to proceed.-=0A>--- -Over the phone he said there are several options.- The first is to avoid =0A>the wetland.- We can d o that by doing an S around the marked wet area.- I went =0A>down today a nd marked off a taxiway that goes north around the wetland (in the =0A>Wese man's property) and joins the road about 60 feet north of where we would =0A>like to join.-I marked the entrance with PVC pipes with blue tops.- Take a look =0A>and let me know what you think.-If we do this option, th e power pole will not =0A>have to be moved but we will need a few feet from Buzz Glade to make the turn. =0A>We would also have to get an OK from Dan and Rachel.- (Maybe trade some clearing =0A>for more easement).- The se cond option is to go the permitting route.- That =0A>would involve some c ost and probably some mitigation (more cost).- DEP and the =0A>Corp of En gineers will -get involved.- Neither are good as far as I can =0A>tell. --The last option is to have a wetlands guy say that where we want to t axi =0A>is not a wetland. If he can convince the state, then we can do what we want.- =0A>All of these options need to start with someone that knows what they are talking =0A>about. So I recommend we wait and listen to a pr o tell us what we should do.- =0A>That will happen Monday=0A>--- In the mean time the loggers are clearing and raking.-The look from the air =0A>is really great.=0A>=0A>Pat=0A>=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Dresden
Date: Sep 11, 2010
Thank you for that reality-check, Pat, perhaps more relevant with the anniversary of 9/11 than at any other time. As it goes with generations, the pain and immediate horror of war fade over time and the intellectual discourse starts glossing over the realities of the time, which spawned those horrible, not-always-appreciated decisions. Only when another war looms on the horizon and some folks are brought before choices that spawn tough decision all over again, do we get to reflect with some semblance of realization on what folks got done back then. If we look at new military technology, it is very clear that the U.S. has become the leader in developing warring systems that minimize collateral losses -- both human and property -- in a conflict, which is what we will have in the future as opposed to full blown wars. You already saw that happen in the span of those six terrible years ending in 1945. The Iraq war has shown to what extent military targets can be selected and destroyed with the precision only dreamt of in '45. But even back then the U.S. has already demonstrated that just going out to break more things and kill more people than one's enemy is not the way to go. It is much more productive to break only the enemy's war machines and kill its combatants. Razing museums and killing civilians hoping that the enemy will feel the pain and stop fighting only works if the enemy fears losing its civilians and its cities. The A-bombs on Japan were, hopefully, the last demonstration of that military strategy, necessary as it was to end the war. With today's technology such a scenario is unlikely to occur again since arm-chair pilots sitting in lounge-like settings flying pilotless drones can go in and stop any scenario that might develop into a kill-civilians initiative. Without the hindsight of history, as you pointed out, Pat, some might fuzzy-over the reasons for spending the money to develop smart weapons preventing a world conflict rather than winning one. That is, provided the enemy's psyche remains in the four corners of what we understand enemies to be. With the resurrection of 6th century thinking, cultures and warfare, our neighbor and fellow American has become our enemy and our neighborhoods have become our battlefields. These are people who swore allegiance to a mythical figure represented by remotely located clerics who have indoctrinated their people to consider the pain of civilian-killings and museum-razing as passports to pie-in-the-sky rewards for being killed. So, the more bombs thrown on civilians the greater their victory becomes. The more of their buildings razed the greater are our losses. The paradigm of killing and destroying military targets on enemy territory still holds true, but the location of those enemy-assets has shifted from their turf to ours. If we hit an enemy combatant, we have killed a fellow American. If we destroy a military target, we have hit a place of worship that is under the protection of the U.S. Constitution. Just as age brings new ailments to the fore for you and me, so it has done to our country. We contract diseases as we get older that were latent in our DNA and dormant during our youth just as America now suffers from diseases to which the Constitution offers no cure. Mostly because the Founding Fathers could never have imagined the challenges that we face today, such as snake-oil salesmen who can dematerialize and transmit themselves in real time into millions of people's homes at the same instant, assemble themselves again and speak to the nation eye-to-eye in their living rooms. Television, for example. We allowed the enemy into our country when their only distinction was that they were foreigners. And now those powers that keep us safe also prevent us from solving the problem. It won't be resolved with drones hitting military targets elsewhere. If we don't find a solution soon, it will be our blood that will flow on our beaches because we will be forced to shoot at our people to protect our liberties. How's that for bad options on the horizon of choices that will require a decision sooner rather than later. Our very own Hiroshima moment. _____ From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Speedy11(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:11 PM Subject: Rocket-List: Re: Dresden Pat, You were quite right to butt in. Your first hand experience adds insight. It's terrible that we upset the "cultured people" all over Europe. Those Europeans should have raises their concerns about "wartime culture" with the Nazis. I love Germany, but personally, I'm glad we have to option to speak, or not speak, German. We owe the allies who fought and won that war an enormous debt. Stan Sutterfield The destruction of the city provoked unease in intellectual circles in Britain. According to Max Hastings (a renowned British historian), by February 1945, attacks upon German cities had become largely irrelevant to the outcome of the war and the name of Dresden possessed a resonance for cultured people all over Europe ?" "the home of so much charm and beauty, a refuge for Trollope's heroines, a landmark of the Grand Tour." He argues that the bombing of Dresden was the first time Allied populations questioned the military actions used to defeat the Nazis... Hi, as a lurker on the Rocket list ( just interest as I fly a microlight) I am loth to post this but I just cannot let a discussion of Dresden pass by without comment. Being 81 I lived through the war ( and got bombed out) and perhaps have a different viewpoint than those `second guessers` born later who have had the luxury of hindsight when evaluating what should and should not have been done. Max Hastings is of course right when he says that there was `unease` in intellectual circles. There was unease after we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki but this was a problem which had to be solved IMMEDIATELY. The decision would not wait for the luxury of intellectual discussion. There was a war on, decisions had to be made NOW. The Germans and the Japs were still fighting, they were not giving up. We had them on the back foot certainly but that is the time to attack, not ease off. There was no `unease` among the men who had to go in and die on the ground in Germany or storming the beaches of the Japanese homeland. They all said `Serve the bastards right, they started it` There seems to be the idea that Dresden was sitting there making Dresden porcelain figures. Were they hell. Any more than Bath or Coventry were.Bath was stuffed to the gills with Admiralty Planning Departments and you couldn`t throw a stone in Coventry without hitting an engineering works. They were all `legitimate` targets. Remember too that this was the end of the war and we had brought bombing to a pretty fine art. We had a lot of practice and lost a lot of Bomber Command and the American Airforce refining the problem. If Germany had been as expert in bombing in the early part of the war as we were then do you think that she would have worried about Bath, Bristol, Coventry, Plymouth, London having `cultural resonance`. Of course not. They did their best to wipe out those cities, it is just that ,like us at that time, they were not very good at it. Poor old `Bomber` Harris got a lot of stick just for carrying out his orders. He was denied the rewards which were handed out to the commanders of every other arm of the Services. His men ,who died in their thousands, were denied a Campaign Medal even. Suddenly, when the need for them had passed everyone became holier than thou` and began to voice doubts about the bombing campaign, and decrying the efficacy of the results. Sorry to but in Pat ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 11, 2010
From: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: south taxi way
Sorry this was sent to the wrong address=0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanweseman@yaho o.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0AFrom: Daniel Weseman <danweseman(at)yahoo.com>=0ATo: rocket-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, September 11, 2010 10:38:03 AM=0ASu bject: Rocket-List: Fw: south taxi way=0A=0A=0A=0A-Dan Weseman=0Adanwesem an(at)yahoo.com=0Awww.flycleanex.com=0Awww.fly5thbearing.com =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Forwarded Message ----=0AFrom: Sabina Pryce-Jones <sabinapj(at)gmail.com>=0AT o: Daniel Weseman =0ASent: Sat, September 11, 2010 10 :25:57 AM=0ASubject: Re: south taxi way=0A=0A=0ADan=0AI agree with your app roach. Let's wait to see what the engineer says. Then we =0Ashould probably move forward as lot owners with the DEP on permitting driveway =0Aand util ity easement through the wetlands. -I also have a friend who use to work =0Aat DEP who I will consult with.-=0AThanks=0ASabina=0A=0ASent from my i Phone=0A=0AOn Sep 11, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Daniel Weseman wrote:=0A=0A=0APat ,To secure the easment for T&G I need to know where o ur taxiway will =0Aconnect. The two factors that determine this are=0A>-1 . The decision on the "wetland area"=0A>Per your email we will know more ab out this Monday. =0A>-2.-The power pole at the corner of Airpark east a nd south.=0A>-- Ed Witt is handeling this and will let us know what Cla y electric says. Per =0A>the current "aggrement "with Bob Weseman and Buzz Glade we need to stick to our =0A>origanal plan. the power pole can be move d 10ft south or-removed and run =0A>underground from the next pole north (best option in my opinin)=0A>---Also i think it may be best if-The lot owners with the wetlands (Rachel and I =0A>and Sabina) file fill permi ts for 30ft wide access and utilites. This was the =0A>easy part of my last dealing with DEP. The area is tiny and unless alot has =0A>changed will no t need to be mitigated. If we do it as a group .... they will see =0A>this as a development!!! =0A>=0A>=0A>-So I think to get the easment correct we need to--wait for information from =0A>Clay Electric and the Enviormen tal Enginer this week. I will then work with Bob =0A>and Buzz and we will m ove foward.=0A>=0A>Thanks =0A>Dan Weseman=0A>danweseman(at)yahoo.com=0A>www.fl ycleanex.com=0A>www.fly5thbearing.com =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A______________ __________________=0AFrom: "pdleeinfla(at)aol.com" <pdleeinfla(at)aol.com>=0A>To: 1captdon1(at)att.net; jaxvanderbilt(at)comcast.net; weseman(at)cproducts.net; =0A>S abinapj(at)gmail.com; danweseman(at)yahoo.com; davedollarhide(at)msn.com; =0A>ewitts r(at)mecojax.com=0A>Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 9:24:33 PM=0A>Subject: Update s=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Ladies and gents,- Thanks for the input.- I will t ell Sarah to make changes to =0A>match bylaws and to clarify-common areas to be taxiway easements where =0A>necessary.- We have been talking to SJ RWMD about our wetland issue.- We all knew =0A>it was an issue, but the q uestion was basically: how do we address it?- I talked =0A>to a wetland c onsultant tonight that is going to give us advice as to how to =0A>proceed and what our options really are.- Steve Hakala is a friend of Dave =0A>Va nderbilt and was very helpful over the phone. His cost is $150.- He will look =0A>at the area next Monday and tell us the best way to proceed.-=0A >--- -Over the phone he said there are several options.- The firs t is to avoid =0A>the wetland.- We can do that by doing an S around the m arked wet area.- I went =0A>down today and marked off a taxiway that goes north around the wetland (in the =0A>Weseman's property) and joins the roa d about 60 feet north of where we would =0A>like to join.-I marked the en trance with PVC pipes with blue tops.- Take a look =0A>and let me know wh at you think.-If we do this option, the power pole will not =0A>have to b e moved but we will need a few feet from Buzz Glade to make the turn. =0A>W e would also have to get an OK from Dan and Rachel.- (Maybe trade some cl earing =0A>for more easement).- The second option is to go the permitting route.- That =0A>would involve some cost and probably some mitigation (m ore cost).- DEP and the =0A>Corp of Engineers will -get involved.- Ne ither are good as far as I can =0A>tell.--The last option is to have a wetlands guy say that where we want to taxi =0A>is not a wetland. If he can convince the state, then we can do what we want.- =0A>All of these optio ns need to start with someone that knows what they are talking =0A>about. S o I recommend we wait and listen to a pro tell us what we should do.- =0A >That will happen Monday=0A>--- In the mean time the loggers are clea ring and raking.-The look from the air =0A>is really great.=0A>=0A>Pat=0A =============== =0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 11, 2010
Subject: Re: Rocket-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/10/10
Must have gone belly up. Used to be _www.rivethead-aero.com_ (http://www.rivethead-aero.com) . That produces nothing now. Google search for Full Throttle Concepts produced nothing of value. Ask the question on VAF Forum. Stan Sutterfield _www.rv-8a.net_ (http://www.rv-8a.net) Does anyone know the contact info for Full throttle concepts,inc? They sell the silver bullet. Thanks, Jim Stone ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Dresden
Date: Sep 12, 2010
<> Thanks for the replies that my intervention has provoked. I would rather have kept this off list but there was no private return address. Delighted to continue anydiscussion that you like off list Cheers Pat <> I don`t think that anyone, even in 1940, wanted to waste bombs on `museums and civilians`. They got hit because the average bomb aimer couldn`t put a bomb within 5 miles of his target. <> Thats what they said in 1940. " the B-17 box formation was impregnable". Until the Me 109`s drove head on straight through the formation, broke it up and then picked off the individuals. "The Norden bombsight will enable us to put a bomb in a barrel from 20,000 ft" This was a bit later on when the Norden sight was introduced but it couldn`t do anything like that in combat conditions. In any case the lead bomb aimer ran the sight and everyone else, spread over 10 miles of sky pickled their bombs when they saw his drop and spread their bombs over ten miles of territory.. <> You mean like being taught that there is a God by your local pastor and hoping to go to Heaven when you die? Maybe your local cleric wasn`t so specific about the availability of virgins but the message is pretty much the same. All armies fight in the belief that God is on their side. You have `In God we Trust` The Germans have `Gott mit Uns` on their belt buckles. The `Christian` Crusaders from Britain, France, Germany who, after the seige stood the entire population of Acre, men women and children, in line and killed them all by mace or sword or axe or dagger. It took two days. They all had The Holy Cross emblazoned on their surcoats and banners to `legalise` their actions. << such as snake-oil salesmen who can dematerialize and transmit themselves in real time into millions of people's homes at the same instant, assemble themselves again and speak to the nation eye-to-eye in their living rooms. Television, for example>> Like that Koran burning pastor down in Gainesville for instance. <> Dont forget the very extensive pro nazi faction alread in many countries (including the UK) in the 1930.`s. There were many solid citizens, not of foreign antecedents, in both our countries who thought Hitler was the best thing since sliced bread. Many of them changed their minds when the bombs began to fall and yours changed after Ed Murrow. We still interned, in terrible conditions, many loyal people with blameless records just because they had German names or Austrian grandparents. Once that paranoia gets loose where does it stop? Remember the Macarthy witch hunts. Lives ruined for the slimmest, or no reason. <> Pretty miserable outlook isn`t it? In the meantime, the sun is shining, there is a blue sky with scattered Cu. at 4000ft. I think I will get the plane out. Cheers Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Speedy11(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:11 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 12, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: 9/11
Guys, - -Though not HR2 related, -I appreciate the history lesson. Having serve d much more recently in our current contingencies, -9/11 is a glowing dat tel room by the 737 Captain (a Viet Nam veteran)- I flew in the night bef ore. I turned on my TV to witness what would be the second aircraft strikin g the World Trade center. Three hours later my ANG unit would call to infor m me I was activated and needed to get home ASAP. Six days later I was patr olling the east coast in a combat loaded F-16C, defending my own homeland. I would later escort Air Force One to my hometown airport and CAP (combat a ir patrol) right over the street where I grew up. - Over the next four years our unit would serve three rotations to Iraq s upporting special forces and searching for terrorists in the far reaches of the world. The deployments would stretch our abilities, hone our skills an d make us closer than any group on the planet. The missions were long and c hallenging. I have heard young voices over the radio screaming for help at 0300 AM and dropped bombs closer than I could imagine to kids barely old er nough to drive, let alone vote. What's the longest minute you can imagine? The 60 second bomb fall time from when you release to impact with friendlie s in contact. I have heard the sad news over the radio when we didn't quite get to the scene fast enough and there were "KIA's" to recover. I have see n the sun go down and come back up on the same long patrol and marveled at how beautiful the sunrise was, even after people we supported didn't live t hrough the night to see it.- ---When queried about my service and to what end our involvement over seas entails I tell people this. The attack on 9/11 was a premeditated act of terrorism and murder of innocent civilians. It took place in a US city o n US soil by a group of twisted individuals who believed it was their right to do so. Therefore I believe in our right to hunt them down and bring the m justice, in whatever form that may be. I would return tomorrow if they wo uld let me. Through it all I was thankful to be a US citizen enjoying the f reedoms we all share including owning a cool airplane. I am also-very pro ud of our kids serving in very tough-circumstances across the globe.- - I was even more proud that I could be there for them. - Smokey HR2 - --- On Sun, 9/12/10, Pat Ladd wrote: From: Pat Ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Re: Dresden Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 4:53 AM <> Thanks for the replies that my intervention has provoked.- I would rather have kept this off list but there was no private return address. Delighted to continue anydiscussion- that- you like off list Cheers Pat <> I don`t think that anyone, even in 1940, wanted to waste bombs on `museums and civilians`. They got hit because the average bomb aimer couldn`t put a bomb within 5 miles of his target. <> Thats what they said in 1940. " the B-17 box formation was impregnable". Un til the Me 109`s- drove head on straight through the formation, broke it up and then picked off the individuals. "The Norden bombsight will enable us to put a bomb in a barrel from 20,000 ft"- This was a bit later on when the Norden sight was introduced but it couldn`t do anything like that in combat conditions. In any case the lead b omb aimer ran the sight and everyone else, spread over 10 miles of sky pick led their bombs when they saw his drop and spread their bombs over ten mile s of territory.. <> -You mean like being taught that there is a God by your local pastor and hoping to go to Heaven when you die?- Maybe your local cleric wasn`t so s pecific about the availability of virgins but the message is pretty much th e same. All armies fight in the belief that God is on their side. You have `In God we Trust` The Germans have `Gott mit Uns` on their belt buckles. Th e `Christian` Crusaders from Britain, France, Germany-who, after the seig e- stood the entire population of Acre, men women and children, in line a nd killed them all by mace or sword or axe or dagger. It took two days. The y all had The Holy Cross emblazoned on their surcoats and banners to `legal ise` their actions. <<-such as snake-oil salesmen who can dematerialize and transmit themselv es in real time into millions of people's homes at the same instant, assemb le themselves again and speak to the nation eye-to-eye in their living room s. Television, for example>> Like that Koran burning pastor down in Gainesville for instance. <> Dont forget the very extensive pro nazi faction alread in- many countries (including the UK) in the 1930.`s.- There were many solid citizens, not of foreign antecedents,-in both our countries who thought Hitler was the best thing since sliced bread. Many of them changed their minds when the bo mbs began to fall and yours changed- after Ed Murrow. We still interned, in terrible conditions, -many loyal people with blameless records just be cause they- had German names or Austrian grandparents. Once that paranoia gets loose where does it stop? Remember the Macarthy witch hunts. Lives ru ined for the slimmest, or no reason. <> Pretty miserable outlook isn`t it?- In the meantime, the sun is shining, there is a blue sky with- scattered Cu. at 4000ft. I think I will get the plane out. Cheers Pat From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-serv er(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Speedy11(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:11 PM =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: 9/11
Date: Sep 12, 2010
It took place in a US city on US soil by a group of twisted individuals >> Hi Rob, I think that is the bit to bear in mind, `a group of twisted individuals` NOT Islam in general. Although I agree that it is hard to take when the TV screens show dancing in the streets after 9/11..There is no doubt that many people the world over, although they would not have dreamed of mounting an attack on America or even on an American citizen, secretly felt a a little surge of glee that America was being taken down a peg. I know that it is unfair, that America has been unstinting in aid in men,money and materials in every emergency and to many people the world over. What America has contributed to the world is incalculable but everyone likes to see the top dog thumped. It was the same when the world was mainly the British Empire. Everyone wanted us out, gone, defeated, no matter what good we had done in stopping local wars, treating disease, introducing law and order, building up a infrastructure to run a country. OUT. OUT. OUT. We were what you are now. Rich, powerful, arrogant, convinced that that there is only one world, our world because that is the BEST. One way, OUR way. Nobody loves conquerors, no matter how benign or well intentioned they may be. In spite of all the benefits we hated the Romans, the Normans. The Indians hated us. The French hated us because we occupied their country, Americans are disliked, hated, pick your word, because you have conquered the world economically and culturally. I dislike you because the kids wear Nikes and there is no shoe industry here now. Because there is Cocacola everywhere, Starbucks on every corner. Why does eveyone say `9/11 intead of the 9th of September.Its inexplicable. It just IS. It is not the way I am used to.Its human nature. If you also represented the values that my religion teaches me (Imagine that I am a Fundamentalist) are evil, allowing women to expose their faces, expect to be treated equally by men, and generally treat my deeply held beliefs with scorn then I could imagine getting pretty riled up.It is change and I do not like change and I will fight to uphold the old ways. Stupid isn`t it, but it is a fact. Enough with the lecture. You have had some great experiences thank you for sharing them with us. You are a lucky man Cheers Pat ( I had much rather all this was taking place off list) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Speedy11(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 13, 2010
Subject: Re: Rocket-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 09/12/10
Pat, Your comments make no sense. You sound somewhat irrational. Why do people say 9/11? Because that was the date that modern day evil exposed itself on American soil. What does the 9th of September have to do with anything? What do you say we take the discussion off the forum. Stan Sutterfield Why does eveyone say `9/11 intead of the 9th of September.Its inexplicable. It just IS. It is not the way I am used to.Its human nature. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com>
Subject: Gear legs into engine mount
Date: Sep 14, 2010
I am attempting to insert my gear legs into the engine mount sockets. I've cleaned out any primer in the socket and polished the socket with fine sandpaper to ease the fit, but I cannot get the gear leg all the way through the bottom of the socket. Visual inspection shows the inside of the socket somewhat rough (not polished). What is the best technique here to make the legs fit? Both are the same-- they slide in for a couple of inches and then get jammed. Ideas? Thanks, Vern Little ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Gear legs into engine mount
Date: Sep 14, 2010
When ever I've had problem with the HR or RV fit I used a brake cylinder hone to polish the sockets some. It doesn't take much, be careful. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Vern Little To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 7:15 AM Subject: Rocket-List: Gear legs into engine mount I am attempting to insert my gear legs into the engine mount sockets. I've cleaned out any primer in the socket and polished the socket with fine sandpaper to ease the fit, but I cannot get the gear leg all the way through the bottom of the socket. Visual inspection shows the inside of the socket somewhat rough (not polished). What is the best technique here to make the legs fit? Both are the same-- they slide in for a couple of inches and then get jammed. Ideas? Thanks, Vern Little ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com>
Subject: toe-in/toe-out
Date: Sep 15, 2010
What's the group feeling for the amount of toe-in/toe-out required for an HR-II? I have specs for the F1, but nothing for the HR-II. I've lurked on the F1 forum and there's some debate on this. Thanks, Vern ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: toe-in/toe-out
From: John Harmon <hr2pilot(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2010
Set it at 0 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:49 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wrote: > What's the group feeling for the amount of toe-in/toe-out required for an H R-II? I have specs for the F1, but nothing for the HR-II. I've lurked on t he F1 forum and there's some debate on this. > > Thanks, Vern > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Schneider" <lschneider39(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: toe-in/toe-out
Date: Sep 15, 2010
And would that be set in a level flying attitude John? like I would do. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Harmon To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Set it at 0 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:49 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wrote: What's the group feeling for the amount of toe-in/toe-out required for an HR-II? I have specs for the F1, but nothing for the HR-II. I've lurked on the F1 forum and there's some debate on this. Thanks, Vern 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: toe-in/toe-out
From: John Harmon <hr2pilot(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2010
Yep Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:07 PM, "Larry Schneider" wrote: > And would that be set in a level flying attitude John? like I would do. :- ) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Harmon > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:06 PM > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out > > Set it at 0 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:49 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wrot e: > >> What's the group feeling for the amount of toe-in/toe-out required for an HR-II? I have specs for the F1, but nothing for the HR-II. I've lurked on the F1 forum and there's some debate on this. >> >> Thanks, Vern >> >> >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List"'>http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.co m/contribution > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com>
Subject: Re: toe-in/toe-out
Date: Sep 15, 2010
Thanks for the quick reply. I will set it to zero in the unloaded condition. I also presume that the flats on the gear legs should be set at 90 degrees to the firewall. Vern From: John Harmon Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Yep Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:07 PM, "Larry Schneider" wrote: And would that be set in a level flying attitude John? like I would do. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Harmon To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Set it at 0 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:49 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wrote: What's the group feeling for the amount of toe-in/toe-out required for an HR-II? I have specs for the F1, but nothing for the HR-II. I've lurked on the F1 forum and there's some debate on this. Thanks, Vern 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List"'>http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 18:34:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: toe-in/toe-out
From: John Harmon <hr2pilot(at)aol.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2010
Yep Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:54 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wrote: > Thanks for the quick reply. I will set it to zero in the unloaded conditi on. I also presume that the flats on the gear legs should be set at 90 degr ees to the firewall. > Vern > > From: John Harmon > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:21 PM > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out > > Yep > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:07 PM, "Larry Schneider" wrot e: > >> And would that be set in a level flying attitude John? like I would do. : -) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Harmon >> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:06 PM >> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out >> >> Set it at 0 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:49 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wro te: >> >>> What's the group feeling for the amount of toe-in/toe-out required for a n HR-II? I have specs for the F1, but nothing for the HR-II. I've lurked o n the F1 forum and there's some debate on this. >>> >>> Thanks, Vern >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List"'>http://www.ma tron3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D >> href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/c3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D >> >> >> >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List"'>http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.co m/contribution > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Release Date: 09/15/10 18:34:00 > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frazier, Vincent A" <VFrazier(at)usi.edu>
Date: Sep 16, 2010
Subject: toe in / toe out
SNIP I will set it to zero in the unloaded condition. SNIP Be careful. I initially set the alignment w/ no weight on the tires on my Rocket and wore out a set of tires in <100 hours. (I've got F1 gear but the concept is the same). After wearing out the 1st set of tires, I went back and completely reset the alignments on the finished plane, loaded with fuel and pilot weight, and with the tail on the ground. I'd argue that the plane will spend very little time with the tail off the ground and you want the best alignment at slow, tail down speeds. http://www.vincesrocket.com/Additions%20after%2010-27-04.htm for more, mind-numbing details. To be clear here, I'm not saying John is wrong. No, not in the least. It's his baby. I'm saying that for me, the align then fly process proved unacceptable. For those who care and haven't quit reading yet, consider that the camber and toe on this type of gear varies considerably with tail up/tail down and with varying aircraft weights, and with braking action. Here's a test for those already flying, park your Rocket on a shiny smooth (painted is good) concrete hangar floor. If your tires squeak when you roll the plane forward, then your alignment is not optimal. The squeaking is caused by the toe. As you move the plane, the tires must compensate for the misaligned track... and they squeak. The good news is that these planes are pussycats even with dreadful alignment like I had. So, follow John's advice, but also consider what you are doing and why. YMMV Vince ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: toe-in/toe-out
From: Steve <vwbugin(at)sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sep 16, 2010
Hey John, I thought you wanted to set it to zero with the plane in a level flying atti tude and weight on the gear. Not in an un-loaded condition as in the previou s post. I got 4 steel plates approximately 12" square 2 for the left an two for the r ight. Put grease between them, rolled the mains up on them, leveled the airp lane then set the toe in. We have done this on several airplanes and none of them have tire where issu es. Steve On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:54 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wrote: > Thanks for the quick reply. I will set it to zero in the unloaded conditi on. I also presume that the flats on the gear legs should be set at 90 degr ees to the firewall. > Vern > > From: John Harmon > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:21 PM > To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out > > Yep > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:07 PM, "Larry Schneider" wrot e: > >> And would that be set in a level flying attitude John? like I would do. : -) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Harmon >> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:06 PM >> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out >> >> Set it at 0 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:49 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wro te: >> >>> What's the group feeling for the amount of toe-in/toe-out required for a n HR-II? I have specs for the F1, but nothing for the HR-II. I've lurked o n the F1 forum and there's some debate on this. >>> >>> Thanks, Vern >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List"'>http://www.ma tron3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D >> href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/c3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D >> >> >> >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List"'>http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.co m/contribution > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Release Date: 09/15/10 18:34:00 > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com>
Subject: Re: toe-in/toe-out
Date: Sep 16, 2010
Hmmm. John is the design authority, but I've read Vince's posts on the F1 Forum that uses the greasy-plate technique. However, it's my recollection that the geometry of the gear is different on the HR-II and the F1, so I'm reluctant to blindly follow along the F1 recommendations. Until this is resolved, I'm not drilling the feet! Vern From: Steve Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:36 AM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Hey John, I thought you wanted to set it to zero with the plane in a level flying attitude and weight on the gear. Not in an un-loaded condition as in the previous post. I got 4 steel plates approximately 12" square 2 for the left an two for the right. Put grease between them, rolled the mains up on them, leveled the airplane then set the toe in. We have done this on several airplanes and none of them have tire where issues. Steve On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:54 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wrote: Thanks for the quick reply. I will set it to zero in the unloaded condition. I also presume that the flats on the gear legs should be set at 90 degrees to the firewall. Vern From: John Harmon Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:21 PM To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Yep Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:07 PM, "Larry Schneider" wrote: And would that be set in a level flying attitude John? like I would do. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Harmon To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Set it at 0 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:49 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wrote: What's the group feeling for the amount of toe-in/toe-out required for an HR-II? I have specs for the F1, but nothing for the HR-II. I've lurked on the F1 forum and there's some debate on this. Thanks, Vern 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List"'>http://www.ma tron3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/c3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List"'>http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Release Date: 09/15/10 18:34:00 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:34:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 16, 2010
From: Steve Irving <vwbugin(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: toe-in/toe-out
Vern, I guess I miss understood. I thought you had already drilled the feet and w ere doing a final alignment. The un-loaded condition is correct for the mou nting of the feet, that will get you close. Usually the gear will require a n adjustment once the plane is complete. That's where the greased plates co me in. That process will help you take final measurements and shim the axle s to achieve the zero toe in. Steve --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Vern Little <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wrote: From: Vern Little <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 6:33 PM =0A=0A =0AHmmm.  John is the design authority, but I've =0Aread Vince' s posts on the F1 Forum that uses the greasy-plate technique.- =0AHowever , it's my recollection that the geometry of the gear is different on the =0AHR-II and the F1, so I'm reluctant to blindly follow along the F1 =0Arec ommendations.- Until this is resolved, I'm not drilling the =0Afeet!=0A -=0AVern=0A=0A =0A=0AFrom: Steve =0ASent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:36 AM=0ATo: rocke t-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out=0A =0AHey John,-=0AI thought you wanted to set it to zero with the plane in a level flying =0Aattitude and weight on the gear. Not in an un-loaded cond ition as in the =0Aprevious post.=0AI got 4 steel plates approximately 12" square 2 for the left an two for the =0Aright. Put grease between them, rol led the mains up on them, leveled the =0Aairplane then set the toe in.=0AWe have done this on several airplanes and none of them have tire where =0Ais sues.=0ASteve=0A On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:54 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> =0Awr ote: =0A=0A=0A =0A Thanks for the quick reply.- I will set it =0A to zero i n the unloaded condition.- I also presume that the flats on the =0A gear legs should be set at 90 degrees to the firewall.=0A Vern=0A =0A =0A =0A From: John Harmon =0A Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:21 P M=0A To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com =0A =0A Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe -in/toe-out=0A =0A Yep Sent from my iPhone=0A On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:07 PM, "Larry Schneider" =0A wrote: =0A =0A =0A =0A And would that be set in a level flying =0A atti tude John? like I would do. :-)=0A -=0A ----- Original Message ---- - =0A =0A From: =0A John Harmon =0A =0A To: rocket-l ist(at)matronics.com =0A =0A Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 =0A 5:06 PM=0A Subject: Re: Rocket-List: =0A toe-in/toe-out=0A =0A Set it at 0 Sent from my iPhone=0A On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:49 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> =0A wrote: =0A =0A =0A =0A What's the group feeling for the am ount of =0A toe-in/toe-out required for an HR-II?- I have specs fo r the F1, but =0A nothing for the HR-II.- I've lurked on the F1 fo rum and there's =0A some debate on this.=0A -=0A Tha nks, Vern=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0Ahref='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? 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From: "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com>
Subject: Re: toe-in/toe-out
Date: Sep 16, 2010
OK, I get it. zero toe-in when drilling the feet (I'm leveling the engine mount on the bench and will mount the feet at 90 degrees to this). Adjusting loaded toe-in comes later. Thanks guys! From: Steve Irving Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Vern, I guess I miss understood. I thought you had already drilled the feet and were doing a final alignment. The un-loaded condition is correct for the mounting of the feet, that will get you close. Usually the gear will require an adjustment once the plane is complete. That's where the greased plates come in. That process will help you take final measurements and shim the axles to achieve the zero toe in. Steve --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Vern Little <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wrote: From: Vern Little <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 6:33 PM Hmmm.  John is the design authority, but I've read Vince's posts on the F1 Forum that uses the greasy-plate technique. However, it's my recollection that the geometry of the gear is different on the HR-II and the F1, so I'm reluctant to blindly follow along the F1 recommendations. Until this is resolved, I'm not drilling the feet! Vern From: Steve Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:36 AM To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Hey John, I thought you wanted to set it to zero with the plane in a level flying attitude and weight on the gear. Not in an un-loaded condition as in the previous post. I got 4 steel plates approximately 12" square 2 for the left an two for the right. Put grease between them, rolled the mains up on them, leveled the airplane then set the toe in. We have done this on several airplanes and none of them have tire where issues. Steve On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:54 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wrote: Thanks for the quick reply. I will set it to zero in the unloaded condition. I also presume that the flats on the gear legs should be set at 90 degrees to the firewall. Vern From: John Harmon Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:21 PM To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Yep Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:07 PM, "Larry Schneider" wrote: And would that be set in a level flying attitude John? like I would do. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Harmon To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: toe-in/toe-out Set it at 0 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2010, at 4:49 PM, "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com> wrote: What's the group feeling for the amount of toe-in/toe-out required for an HR-II? I have specs for the F1, but nothing for the HR-II. I've lurked on the F1 forum and there's some debate on this. 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Date: Sep 17, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: My HR2 4-Sale
Guys, - -Due to some pressing needs elsewhere, -I have reluctantly decided to s ell my prized- 97' HR2. It was built right by Bob Shell assisted by Jim C oelho in CA using one-piece wing skins, nice custom fairings and flies stra ight and true.-Also it has a set of their aux fuel tanks, very similar to the Safe Air One tanks my friends "Cheese and Hollywood"-build in TX. To tal fuel is 54 gallons. Extended baggage, Odessey PC925 battery. - It has 969TT with 725 SMOH by Massey aircraft using LyCon Cyllinders, N ew Bendix Mag, Electroair EI, GAMI injectors. Hartzell 2 blade D twist, pol ished. Panel includes a TuTrak ADI, Navaid AP, dual GPS (Apollo/Garmin 396 with XM) Infinity stick grips, EI gauges. New 380X150X5 tires with Michelin no-leak tubes, new Fly-boy products TW. Economy performance is 180 Knots True at 8500' at 10.5 GPH LOP. 24 squared at 5000' yields 195 Knots at 12.5 GPH. Simply a great airplane. - - Just completed a fresh Conditional and had my good and IA friend Randy R. in TX look it over with me to get a second opinion on everything. Paint is 14 years old, but still looks good. Email me for pictures. - $85K- OBO This won't be my last Rocket...:) - Thanks! Rob "Smokey" Ray 863-397-1657 smokyray(at)rocketmail.com=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Richard Talbot <richard(at)talbots.net.au>
Date: Sep 23, 2010
Subject: Beginner's Questions
G'day Everyone, I am looking at building a Harmon Rocket II. From reading the archive and various websites, there seems to be a number of people who prefer the F-1 t ail on the Harmon rocket. The Rocket I had the pleasure to ride in here in Australia has an F-1 tail fitted and I liked the idea of the riveted trail ing edge despite the possible aerodynamic differences. I found the tail fo rces to be significantly lighter than my RV7 and I believe the bellcrank mo dification had been done. From the very limited flying I did I could not d iscern any issues. I understand that the F-1 is out of production, but is it still possible to purchase a F-1 tail kit? I assume Mark is no longer selling parts as emai ls to Team Rocket have gone unanswered. Alternately, does someone have a kit they wish to sell? Also, what do people recommend for wheel pants, leg and intersection fairi ngs? Lastly, has anyone used an Aztec Prop on a Rocket? I found a reference to the Super8's using one over here -> http://www.mstewart.net/super8/faq.htm. However I spoke to John and he said he didn't think one would fit as he i s supplying an "M" hub. I assume that is one of the two units listed on th e Hartzell website: 2-Bladed Propeller HC-M2YR-1BF/F8475D-4 2-Bladed Propeller HC-M2YR-1BF/F8475J-4 The Super8 website refers to an HC-C2YR-1B / F-8465-7R. As best as I can t ell those blades are definitely off an Aztec but the normal hub used is an HC-E2YR-2RBSF, so I am wondering if the hub needed to be changed out in ord er to fit? The reason I ask is that I have access to a very cheap Aztec prop and spinn er with time to run and would love to use it if it works and is suitable. I can't find and specs on the differences between the hubs so I guess the n ext step might be to visit my friendly prop shop. Cheers Richard ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2010
From: Rob Ray <smokyray(at)rocketmail.com>
Subject: Rocket prop requirement
Hi Harry, I believe Tom Gummo has a two blade Hartzell he might sell, and Jim Ayers s et up a smoking deal on a three blade MT for me as well.- I will CC them, thanks! Smokey --- On Wed, 9/22/10, rocketman wrote: From: rocketman <bluebird270(at)dslextreme.com> Subject: Re: rocket prop Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 8:56 PM =0A =0ARob: =0AIf you know of a Rocket prop for sale let me know. I have a friend looki ng for one as=0Awell =0Athanks =0AHarry =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: anatomy of stupidity
Date: Sep 25, 2010
Running out of fuel is seldom an accident. This reconstruction gives a rare insight into the bizarre things that some pilots do. One cannot over emphasize the importance of a humility check before takeoff. http://flash.aopa.org/asf/acs_crosscountry/?WT.mc_id=100924epilot <http://flash.aopa.org/asf/acs_crosscountry/?WT.mc_id=100924epilot&WT.mc_sec t=tts> &WT.mc_sect=tts ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf(at)gerf.com>
Subject: Filling in end ribs ...
Date: Sep 27, 2010
I see a lot of folks fill in the exposed parts of end ribs, e.g. at the end of the horiz stab or the counterbalance rib for the elevators. Since the only examples I've seen have been painted, I can't figure out what was used to fill in the space and seal it. Foam, epoxy and glass ? What kind of foam ? g ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com>
Subject: Re: Filling in end ribs ...
Date: Sep 27, 2010
What I did was quite different. I fabricated aluminum plates on stand-offs. It was a lot of work, but they are removable and I plan to do an A/B test for drag reduction and control feel. Yes, I have pics! see half way down here: http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/empennage.htm Vern From: Gerry Filby Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Rocket-List: Filling in end ribs ... I see a lot of folks fill in the exposed parts of end ribs, e.g. at the end of the horiz stab or the counterbalance rib for the elevators. Since the only examples I've seen have been painted, I can't figure out what was used to fill in the space and seal it. Foam, epoxy and glass ? What kind of foam ? g ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:34:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 28, 2010
Subject: Re: Filling in end ribs ...
From: Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>
Vern: That is some beautiful work! Nice... Lee... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gerry Filby" <gerf(at)gerf.com>
Subject: Filling in end ribs ...
Date: Sep 28, 2010
Wow that's some impressive work ... g _____ From: owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vern Little Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:45 PM Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Filling in end ribs ... What I did was quite different. I fabricated aluminum plates on stand-offs. It was a lot of work, but they are removable and I plan to do an A/B test for drag reduction and control feel. Yes, I have pics! see half way down here: http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/empennage.htm Vern From: Gerry Filby <mailto:gerf(at)gerf.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Rocket-List: Filling in end ribs ... I see a lot of folks fill in the exposed parts of end ribs, e.g. at the end of the horiz stab or the counterbalance rib for the elevators. Since the only examples I've seen have been painted, I can't figure out what was used to fill in the space and seal it. Foam, epoxy and glass ? What kind of foam ? g title="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List">http://www.matronto follow link" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _____ Release Date: 09/27/10 06:34:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2010
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Subject: PLEASE READ - List Fund Raiser Kickoff!
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Subject: November List Fund Raiser
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Subject: Re: November List Fund Raiser
Date: Nov 03, 2010
Please remove me from the list, I had to sell my kit plane, Thank you for the use of your site, it has been a great tool. Thanks, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 1:18 AM Subject: Rocket-List: November List Fund Raiser > > There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser > messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a > Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, they will > instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the > month! Its just that simple. > > I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions > to support the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the > hardware and software that are required to run a List Site such as this > one. It also goes to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and > to pay the huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running and the > air conditioner powered on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and > Forums sites here locally which allows me to control and monitor every > aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance. > > Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other > Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and > running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics > Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that > are so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want > to have it on my Email List sites. > > If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the > Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Thank you! > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > [Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a > Contribution related message. For example, if someone replies to one of > the messages, when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List > message via the Forum. The system keys on the given email address and > since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no > simple way to filter them.] > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Reminder
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
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Subject: Please Make A Contribution...
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Subject: List Fund Raiser & Some Very Nice Comments...
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Date: Nov 17, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What's My Contribution Used For?
Dear Listers, Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki. But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the best investments you can make in your Sport... List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few Days Left; Well Behind Last Year...
Dear Listers, There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser. Response has been good so far, but we're well behind last year at this point. If you've been waiting until the last minute to make your Contribution, now might be good time to show your support and maybe pick up a nice gift as well! Please remember that there is no commercial advertising on these Lists and the *only* means of keeping them running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. If it weren't for your individual Contributions, these Lists could easily become economically infeasible and simply cease to exist. You probably can't even take the family out to dinner for $20 these days, but your individual Contribution of the same amount makes a huge difference in keeping the List services alive. Please make a Contribution today with a Credit Card or Paypal: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published
in December! Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Contributions Down By 17%...
Dear Listers, As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind last year at this time by roughly 17%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to keep the expenses paid. I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter of hours. All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services. If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite, you can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the continuation of these services: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution...
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums. The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit card, Paypal, or a personal check: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support the Lists! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2010
From: <t6pilot(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Contributions Down By 17%...
Please remove me from your e-mail list. ---- Matt Dralle wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind last year at this time by roughly 17%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to keep the expenses paid. > > I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter of hours. > > All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services. > > If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Wite, you can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the continuation of these services: > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: > > Matt Dralle / Matronics > 581 Jeannie Way > Livermore CA 94550 > USA > > Thank you for your support! > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Are You Thankful For...?
Dear Listers, Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been bestowed upon us. Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like, "Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!". That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning to check my List email!! Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for their continued operation and upgrade? The List Contribution Site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you in advance for your kind consideration, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser...
Dear Listers, Curiously, even though the number of List subscriptions are significantly up this year, support during this year's Fund Raiser is still substantially behind last year. There are only a couple more days left in November and the end of the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching. I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund raiser cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid, other sources of income might be required including some sort of advertising. Please don't let that happen! Your personal Contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping the operation a float. Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors published in December. The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you in advance for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Three Days Left & Some Very Nice Comments...
Dear Listers, There are just three days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. Won't you take a monment and make a quick Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation of these Forum services. I've received some more really nice comments from Listers along with their List Support Contributions, and I've share a few below. There are some sweet gifts available this year, so browse the selections and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution. Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 USA Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ------------------------------------------------------- Great resource, keep it coming... Marten V. Thanks for maintaining these essential lists! Rumen D. Great Service! Douglas D. Thanks for this great service! Peter T. Thanks for your enduring support of homebuilding communications! Daniel M. You do a great job and provide a valuable service. Mark B. It's really a great source I have used a lot. Robert K. Reading the RV-10 list is part of my morning routine... Perry C. Great job running these lists. Edward T. Thanks for doing a tough job. Mic T. Your List was such a great resource for me when I built in "98". Ron V. Its a very useful forum. Dave F. Really enjoy your list... William D. Great service, Gerald T. The list still is a valuable source of information and there are many worthwhile postings. Graham H. The list has seen me through an RV-9A, RV-10, and now an RV-12. Albert G. Thanks for a great resource! Barry H. Thank you for maintaining this excellent site. Bill W. The Matronics Email list are an invaluable service. William C. I appreciate the RV-10 list. Vijay P. Thanks for a great list and all of the work you do. Ian W. Thanks for keeping up this very useful list. George R. The list is excellent and I find it very handy for any problems I come up against during construction. Greg W. The lists are an important part of my day. I've met lots of people and made lots of friends. Dave S. It's really a great source I haved used a lot. Robert K. I read the Pietenpol List everyday. PF B. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed!
Dear Listers, The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner with just two more days in this year's Fund Raiser! Later in December I will post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists this year. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps these Lists running and improving! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FS Fine Wire Spark Plugs
From: "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2010
I have six Auburn HSR-83P fine wire spark plugs for sale. All are new, never installed or used. One tube has been opened to inspect the plug and the other five tubes are still sealed from the factory. $40 each plus shipping. If you want all six, I will pay shipping anywhere in the US. -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321575#321575 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or worse, its my 47th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been drooling over one of the really nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting it off for some reason, NOW is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same. The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making your Contribution right now: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you to all in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: FS: Tennessee Farm with Airstrip, and large attached
hangar!
From: "Ratherfly" <longmeadowfarm(at)aol.com>
Date: Nov 30, 2010
I know some guy, I think his name is Jerry, is going to send me a scathing email about posting this here, but I really don't bother you kind folk all that much, just every now and again to see if perhaps someone is interested. We really cannot afford to lose another airport to development, let's keep it in the aviation family. This lovely property is still for sale by owner. I guess the owners thing that I am doing more for than than a real estate agent could. Price is $499,000 for the home/hangar and over 21 acres in a pastoral setting. http://sites.google.com/site/longmeadowfarmairport/ New runway cones enhance the very NON-standard lighting. (Don't ask, visit!) Please call the owner at 615-233-5301 or 615-691-2746 to schedule a visit. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321840#321840 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0411_591.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Best Prop for HR 2
From: "Rainair" <RaReubelt(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2010
Hello, what the best prop for HR2 ? [F3YR-1ARF7693DF*1] Hartzell 3-Blade Propeller (D Twist) [M2YR-1BF/8475D4] Hartzell 2-blade Propeller [MTV-9-B/198-52] MT 3-bladed propeller [MTV-9-B-C/C-198-52] MT 3-Bladed Propeller Maybe important is the noise. Which db are the propellers ? At germany i need 75 decibel Which Prob to quiet down ? Thanks, Rainer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322285#322285 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_11_19_2040_klein_205.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Best Prop for HR 2
From: Jim Ayers <lessdragprod(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2010
Hello Rainer, The quietest propeller is probably the 4 blade propeller, MTV-14-B/190-59b with a 76" diameter (190cm diameter). Regards, Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: Rainair <RaReubelt(at)aol.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 11:41 am Subject: Rocket-List: Best Prop for HR 2 Hello, what the best prop for HR2 ? [F3YR-1ARF7693DF*1] Hartzell 3-Blade Propeller (D Twist) [M2YR-1BF/8475D4] Hartzell 2-blade Propeller [MTV-9-B/198-52] MT 3-bladed propeller [MTV-9-B-C/C-198-52] MT 3-Bladed Propeller Maybe important is the noise. Which db are the propellers ? At germany i need 75 decibel Which Prob to quiet down ? Thanks, ainer ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322285#322285 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_11_19_2040_klein_205.jpg -======================== - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on -= the Contribution link below to find out more about -= this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided -= by: -= -= * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com -= * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com -= * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com - -= List Contribution Web Site: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution - -= Thank you for your generous support! - -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - -======================== -= - The Rocket-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Best Prop for HR 2
From: John Harmon <hr2pilot(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2010
But it sucks for performans Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Jim Ayers wrote: > Hello Rainer, > > The quietest propeller is probably the 4 blade propeller, > MTV-14-B/190-59b > with a 76" diameter (190cm diameter). > > Regards, > Jim Ayers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rainair <RaReubelt(at)aol.com> > To: rocket-list > Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 11:41 am > Subject: Rocket-List: Best Prop for HR 2 > > > Hello, > > what the best prop for HR2 ? > > [F3YR-1ARF7693DF*1] Hartzell 3-Blade Propeller (D Twist) > > [M2YR-1BF/8475D4] Hartzell 2-blade Propeller > > [MTV-9-B/198-52] MT 3-bladed propeller > > [MTV-9-B-C/C-198-52] MT 3-Bladed Propeller > > Maybe important is the noise. Which db are the propellers ? > > At germany i need 75 decibel > > Which Prob to quiet down ? > > Thanks, > Rainer > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322285#322285 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_11_19_2040_klein_205.jpg > > > > > _blank>www.aeroelectric.com > /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List > p://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Vern Little" <sprocket@vx-aviation.com>
Subject: Re: Best Prop for HR 2
Date: Dec 04, 2010
I am looking for a 'firewall forward' equipment list for finishing my HR-II. It would be handy to purchase all of the stuff at once rather than discovering all the bits and pieces I need as I go and waiting for parts orders. Anyone have a definitive list? John, what do you sell that I need? Vern ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Best Prop for HR 2
From: Jim Ayers <lessdragprod(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 05, 2010
Hi John, I didn't know that you've flown one of these Rocket 4 blade MT Propellers. :-) Rainer, in Germany, is likely going to be limited to 2500 RPM maximum. An F-1 customer with the 3 blade Rocket propeller says the 4 blade MT Rocke t propeller is 2 knots sower at 4,000'. But faster at 9,500' and 10,500'. John. I know this doesn't work for your typical flight. The highest altit ude you reach being when you climb to pattern altitude. :-) Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: John Harmon <hr2pilot(at)aol.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 9:32 pm Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Best Prop for HR 2 But it sucks for performans Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Jim Ayers wrote: Hello Rainer, The quietest propeller is probably the 4 blade propeller, MTV-14-B/190-59b with a 76" diameter (190cm diameter). Regards, Jim Ayers -----Original Message----- From: Rainair <RaReubelt(at)aol.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 11:41 am Subject: Rocket-List: Best Prop for HR 2 Hello, what the best prop for HR2 ? [F3YR-1ARF7693DF*1] Hartzell 3-Blade Propeller (D Twist) [M2YR-1BF/8475D4] Hartzell 2-blade Propeller [MTV-9-B/198-52] MT 3-bladed propeller [MTV-9-B-C/C-198-52] MT 3-Bladed Propeller Maybe important is the noise. Which db are the propellers ? At germany i need 75 decibel Which Prob to quiet down ? Thanks, ainer ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322285#322285 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_11_19_2040_klein_205.jpg blank>www.aeroelectric.com " target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com _blank>www.homebuilthelp.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List ://forums.matronics.com - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on -= the Contribution link below to find out more about -= this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided -= by: -= -= * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com -= * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com -= * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com - -= List Contribution Web Site: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution - -= Thank you for your generous support! - -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - -======================== -= - The Rocket-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rocket-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 06, 2010
Subject: Cowling intake and exit
From: Ernest Hale <ernest(at)flmitigation.com>
Is there a certain ratio that is optimum for cooling and reduction of drag between the intake and outlet for airflow over the engine? Also, any certain dimensions to the inlets and outlet? Thanks, Ernest Hale N540HB On 12/5/10 6:46 PM, "Jim Ayers" wrote: > Hi John, > > I didn't know that you've flown one of these Rocket 4 blade MT Propellers. > :-) > > Rainer, in Germany, is likely going to be limited to 2500 RPM maximum. > > An F-1 customer with the 3 blade Rocket propeller says the 4 blade MT Rocket > propeller is 2 knots sower at 4,000'. > But faster at 9,500' and 10,500'. > > John. I know this doesn't work for your typical flight. The highest altitude > you reach being when you climb to pattern altitude. :-) > > Jim Ayers > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Harmon <hr2pilot(at)aol.com> > To: rocket-list > Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 9:32 pm > Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Best Prop for HR 2 > > But it sucks for performans > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 4, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Jim Ayers wrote: > >> Hello Rainer, >> >> The quietest propeller is probably the 4 blade propeller, >> MTV-14-B/190-59b >> with a 76" diameter (190cm diameter). >> >> Regards, >> Jim Ayers >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rainair <RaReubelt(at)aol.com> >> To: rocket-list >> Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 11:41 am >> Subject: Rocket-List: Best Prop for HR 2 >> >> > >> >> Hello, >> >> what the best prop for HR2 ? >> >> [F3YR-1ARF7693DF*1] Hartzell 3-Blade Propeller (D Twist) >> >> [M2YR-1BF/8475D4] Hartzell 2-blade Propeller >> >> [MTV-9-B/198-52] MT 3-bladed propeller >> >> [MTV-9-B-C/C-198-52] MT 3-Bladed Propeller >> >> Maybe important is the noise. Which db are the propellers ? >> >> At germany i need 75 decibel >> >> Which Prob to quiet down ? >> >> Thanks, >> Rainer >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322285#322285 >> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322285#322285> >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_11_19_2040_klein_205.jpg >> <http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010_11_19_2040_klein_205.jpg> >> >> >> >> >> _blank>www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com/> >> /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com/> >> =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com <http://www.homebuilthelp.com/>


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