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| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 0-235 IN A W-8 |
Bill: Aerodynamic balancing is somewhat of a misnomer, at best only partial
balancing is achieved, also, the balancing force on the tab will of course vary
greatly depending on how fast you're going.
Rick
N241SW
Bill newkirk wrote:
>
> If the elevators are not balanced statically, how does one proceed to
> balance them aerodynamically? Or, do I just leave well-enough alone?
>
> Bill Newkirk
> Fresno, CA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
>
>
> >
> > About the elevator balance....................... This is not a static
> > balance with weight installed , it is an aerodynamic balance which takes
> the
> > load off the stick forces and counters any modes of flutter. Wittman never
> > put any weight in it .
> > Earl Luce
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Dave.
> > >
> > > Bill Newkirk
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The portion of the elevator that is forward of the hinge (I don't know
> > > what
> > > > it is called specifically--it is the counter tab at the outer end) has
> > > lead
> > > > in it to balance the elevator with the balance point being the hinge
> > line
> > > > (the center of the front elevator tube that has the hinges on it).
> This
> > > is
> > > > done taking into account the weight of the fabric and paint, since
> that
> > > will
> > > > add more weight to the back portion of the elevator (ie behind the
> hinge
> > > > line). Since I put the lead in before covering, I had taken a swatch
> of
> > > > covering that I had from another plane, weighed it and calculated the
> > area
> > > > and thus the weight and moment for the covering of the elevator.
> Added
> > > lead
> > > > to the front of the tab to balance. It came out in the end perfectly,
> > > > although I could have drilled the lead for fine tuning.
> > > >
> > > > Does this help?
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > DAVE;
> > > > > I don't know what you mean when you say you "balanced the elevator
> at
> > > the
> > > > > hinge line(with covering)." Please enlighten me.
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Bill Newkirk
> > > > > Fresno CA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I only sized the tailfeathers to the W-10 size, but rounded the
> > > leading
> > > > > > outer corner to look more W-8 style rather than the sharp corner
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > W-10. I have the counter weight portion just like the W-10, and I
> > > > > balanced
> > > > > > the elevator at the hinge line (with covering). The leading edge
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > horizontal stab, because of the slightly increased size, is ahead
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > place where it normally bolts to the fuselage. I just used a
> > locking
> > > > > > nutplate in the stab and bolt through from inside the fuselage.
> The
> > > > > > vertical stab and rudder are sized to the same area as the W-10
> > > > (slightly
> > > > > > larger than W-8), but again had the rounded leading corner per W-8
> > > > style.
> > > > > > You can see pics of my plane on the Unofficial tailwind site under
> > > > N202Q.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > DAVE;
> > > > > > > Thanks for your reply.
> > > > > > > How much modification have you done to the tail feathers?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill Newkirk
> > > > > > > Fresno
> > > > > > > N13BN (Murphy Rebel)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net>
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill: I have a W-8 (but with W-10 tailfeathers and modified
> > W-10
> > > > > > > controls)
> > > > > > > > that I flew with an O-235 for a year (156 hours) both long
> cross
> > > > > country
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > local flights. It is a delightful plane to fly. Max speed
> was
> > > > about
> > > > > > 157
> > > > > > > > MPH, but I think I could have gained a few MPH with a prop
> with
> > a
> > > > > little
> > > > > > > > less pitch, and perhaps a little cleanup on the airframe here
> > and
> > > > > there.
> > > > > > > My
> > > > > > > > biggest complaint was that at gross (1300#, mty was 800#) and
> > > higher
> > > > > > > density
> > > > > > > > altitudes, the takeoff and climb performance was much like a
> > > Cessna
> > > > > 150.
> > > > > > > > Again, some prop mods could have improved that some. But I
> want
> > > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > > able
> > > > > > > > to fly out of Tahoe and places in New Mexico and Colorado on
> hot
> > > > days
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > two people and baggage and still have fuel to get somewhere.
> > The
> > > > > O-235
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > not give safe performance with those conditions, in my
> opinion.
> > > > > > > Therefore,
> > > > > > > > I am in the process of converting to a 150 HP O-320. It will
> > fit
> > > > > right
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > and the weight is not much more. I am going to add an
> auxiliary
> > > > fuel
> > > > > > tank
> > > > > > > > behind the seat, also will help with the W&B.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dave
> > > > > > > > N202Q
> > > > > > > > W-8+
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I appreciated Boud's response to the question of a 320 in a
> > W8.
> > > > How
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > an O-235. I have one and have dis-assembled it for
> > rebuilding.
> > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > W8/W9 to put it in.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bill Newkirk,
> > > > > > > > > Fresno, CA
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com>
> > > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-320 installed in W-8
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gary,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The W-8 airframe is about 7 inches shorter than a W-10 and
> > it
> > > > has
> > > > > > less
> > > > > > > > > > horizontal stabilizer area as well as different design
> > > > horizontal
> > > > > > > > > stabilizer
> > > > > > > > > > incidence. If you assume that your weight and balance
> will
> > be
> > > > OK
> > > > > > > (which
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > won't), the higher speed will cause a higher wing torsion
> > > moment
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > airframe which will require a greater balancing force from
> > the
> > > > > > > > horizontal
> > > > > > > > > > stabilizer. This means you will have to reset the leading
> > > edge
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > tail
> > > > > > > > > > down. This will cause greater trim drag, and reduce the
> > > amount
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > > nose-down
> > > > > > > > > > force available for such tings as high angle of attach
> > > recovery.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > net
> > > > > > > > > > increase in airspeed will not be what you might expect and
> > you
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > substantialy reduce the stability of the airplane. In
> > > certified
> > > > > > > > airplanes
> > > > > > > > > > that went to bigger engines over the years, (like cessna
> 210
> > > and
> > > > > > Piper
> > > > > > > > > > Comanche) the solution was/is a complicated system of
> > balance
> > > > > > springs
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > bob weights attached to the elevator system; certainly not
> > > what
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > put in a Tailwind. If you compute the numbers on
> horsepower
> > > > only,
> > > > > > > > (forget
> > > > > > > > > > increased weight, cooling drag, trim drag, propeller
> > > efficiency,
> > > > > > etc.)
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > expected speed increase from a 150 hp engine would be
> about
> > > 18%,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > > given
> > > > > > > > > > everything else thats involved, it probably wouldn't even
> be
> > > > 10%.
> > > > > > > Also
> > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > you would have an airplane that is less stable, feel
> > sluggish
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > controls (especially in pitch), have less useful load and
> > > range,
> > > > > > etc.,
> > > > > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > > > > See why Steve said, "keep it light"? In my opinion, a W-8
> > is
> > > > one
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > best airplanes ever designed for 85-100 hp, keep it that
> > way.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Boud Kuenen
> > > > > > > > > > NX888WT
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Gary Fincher" <backcountry(at)peedeeworld.net>
> > > > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: 0-320 installed in W-8
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have a W-8 with a C-90 and am interested in installing
> a
> > > > > 0-320.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > told that the W-8 wasn't designed for the 0-320 to be
> > > installed.
> > > > > Is
> > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > any out there flying? If so what needs to be done? Any
> > replies
> > > > > will
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > appreciated. Thanks, Gary Fincher
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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| From: | "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 0-235 IN A W-8 |
Bill,
Static balance and dynamic balance are 2 entirely different issues. Static
balance can help minimize control system resonance, or the potential for
flutter, and the build up of control forces beyond that caused by air loads.
Dynamic balance takes the load off the control system by putting a diverging
load ahead of the hinge line. Example, those spades you see hanging under
and forward of the alerons, on aerobatic airplanes. This also reduces the
potential for resonance (flutter), because opposing forces don't build up in
the control system, (torque tubes/cables). Dynamic balancing is achieved by
adding less weight. The best of airplanes have both; look at Sean Tucker's
control surfaces.
Regards,
Boud Kuenen
NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
>
> If the elevators are not balanced statically, how does one proceed to
> balance them aerodynamically? Or, do I just leave well-enough alone?
>
> Bill Newkirk
> Fresno, CA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
>
>
>
> >
> > About the elevator balance....................... This is not a static
> > balance with weight installed , it is an aerodynamic balance which takes
> the
> > load off the stick forces and counters any modes of flutter. Wittman
never
> > put any weight in it .
> > Earl Luce
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Dave.
> > >
> > > Bill Newkirk
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The portion of the elevator that is forward of the hinge (I don't
know
> > > what
> > > > it is called specifically--it is the counter tab at the outer end)
has
> > > lead
> > > > in it to balance the elevator with the balance point being the hinge
> > line
> > > > (the center of the front elevator tube that has the hinges on it).
> This
> > > is
> > > > done taking into account the weight of the fabric and paint, since
> that
> > > will
> > > > add more weight to the back portion of the elevator (ie behind the
> hinge
> > > > line). Since I put the lead in before covering, I had taken a
swatch
> of
> > > > covering that I had from another plane, weighed it and calculated
the
> > area
> > > > and thus the weight and moment for the covering of the elevator.
> Added
> > > lead
> > > > to the front of the tab to balance. It came out in the end
perfectly,
> > > > although I could have drilled the lead for fine tuning.
> > > >
> > > > Does this help?
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > DAVE;
> > > > > I don't know what you mean when you say you "balanced the elevator
> at
> > > the
> > > > > hinge line(with covering)." Please enlighten me.
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Bill Newkirk
> > > > > Fresno CA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I only sized the tailfeathers to the W-10 size, but rounded the
> > > leading
> > > > > > outer corner to look more W-8 style rather than the sharp corner
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > W-10. I have the counter weight portion just like the W-10, and
I
> > > > > balanced
> > > > > > the elevator at the hinge line (with covering). The leading
edge
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > horizontal stab, because of the slightly increased size, is
ahead
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > place where it normally bolts to the fuselage. I just used a
> > locking
> > > > > > nutplate in the stab and bolt through from inside the fuselage.
> The
> > > > > > vertical stab and rudder are sized to the same area as the W-10
> > > > (slightly
> > > > > > larger than W-8), but again had the rounded leading corner per
W-8
> > > > style.
> > > > > > You can see pics of my plane on the Unofficial tailwind site
under
> > > > N202Q.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > DAVE;
> > > > > > > Thanks for your reply.
> > > > > > > How much modification have you done to the tail feathers?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill Newkirk
> > > > > > > Fresno
> > > > > > > N13BN (Murphy Rebel)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net>
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-235 IN A W-8
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill: I have a W-8 (but with W-10 tailfeathers and modified
> > W-10
> > > > > > > controls)
> > > > > > > > that I flew with an O-235 for a year (156 hours) both long
> cross
> > > > > country
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > local flights. It is a delightful plane to fly. Max speed
> was
> > > > about
> > > > > > 157
> > > > > > > > MPH, but I think I could have gained a few MPH with a prop
> with
> > a
> > > > > little
> > > > > > > > less pitch, and perhaps a little cleanup on the airframe
here
> > and
> > > > > there.
> > > > > > > My
> > > > > > > > biggest complaint was that at gross (1300#, mty was 800#)
and
> > > higher
> > > > > > > density
> > > > > > > > altitudes, the takeoff and climb performance was much like a
> > > Cessna
> > > > > 150.
> > > > > > > > Again, some prop mods could have improved that some. But I
> want
> > > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > > able
> > > > > > > > to fly out of Tahoe and places in New Mexico and Colorado on
> hot
> > > > days
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > two people and baggage and still have fuel to get somewhere.
> > The
> > > > > O-235
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > not give safe performance with those conditions, in my
> opinion.
> > > > > > > Therefore,
> > > > > > > > I am in the process of converting to a 150 HP O-320. It
will
> > fit
> > > > > right
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > and the weight is not much more. I am going to add an
> auxiliary
> > > > fuel
> > > > > > tank
> > > > > > > > behind the seat, also will help with the W&B.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dave
> > > > > > > > N202Q
> > > > > > > > W-8+
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I appreciated Boud's response to the question of a 320 in
a
> > W8.
> > > > How
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > an O-235. I have one and have dis-assembled it for
> > rebuilding.
> > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > W8/W9 to put it in.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bill Newkirk,
> > > > > > > > > Fresno, CA
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com>
> > > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: 0-320 installed in W-8
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gary,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The W-8 airframe is about 7 inches shorter than a W-10
and
> > it
> > > > has
> > > > > > less
> > > > > > > > > > horizontal stabilizer area as well as different design
> > > > horizontal
> > > > > > > > > stabilizer
> > > > > > > > > > incidence. If you assume that your weight and balance
> will
> > be
> > > > OK
> > > > > > > (which
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > won't), the higher speed will cause a higher wing
torsion
> > > moment
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > airframe which will require a greater balancing force
from
> > the
> > > > > > > > horizontal
> > > > > > > > > > stabilizer. This means you will have to reset the
leading
> > > edge
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > tail
> > > > > > > > > > down. This will cause greater trim drag, and reduce the
> > > amount
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > > nose-down
> > > > > > > > > > force available for such tings as high angle of attach
> > > recovery.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > net
> > > > > > > > > > increase in airspeed will not be what you might expect
and
> > you
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > substantialy reduce the stability of the airplane. In
> > > certified
> > > > > > > > airplanes
> > > > > > > > > > that went to bigger engines over the years, (like cessna
> 210
> > > and
> > > > > > Piper
> > > > > > > > > > Comanche) the solution was/is a complicated system of
> > balance
> > > > > > springs
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > bob weights attached to the elevator system; certainly
not
> > > what
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > put in a Tailwind. If you compute the numbers on
> horsepower
> > > > only,
> > > > > > > > (forget
> > > > > > > > > > increased weight, cooling drag, trim drag, propeller
> > > efficiency,
> > > > > > etc.)
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > expected speed increase from a 150 hp engine would be
> about
> > > 18%,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > > given
> > > > > > > > > > everything else thats involved, it probably wouldn't
even
> be
> > > > 10%.
> > > > > > > Also
> > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > you would have an airplane that is less stable, feel
> > sluggish
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > controls (especially in pitch), have less useful load
and
> > > range,
> > > > > > etc.,
> > > > > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > > > > See why Steve said, "keep it light"? In my opinion, a
W-8
> > is
> > > > one
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > best airplanes ever designed for 85-100 hp, keep it that
> > way.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Boud Kuenen
> > > > > > > > > > NX888WT
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Gary Fincher" <backcountry(at)peedeeworld.net>
> > > > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: 0-320 installed in W-8
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have a W-8 with a C-90 and am interested in
installing
> a
> > > > > 0-320.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > told that the W-8 wasn't designed for the 0-320 to be
> > > installed.
> > > > > Is
> > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > any out there flying? If so what needs to be done? Any
> > replies
> > > > > will
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > appreciated. Thanks, Gary Fincher
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
Jerry; Another great Tailwind Times, it came today. I got Heathers car
untotaled last week and will start on the engine (Mazda 13-B) installation
this week. Finished forming the firewall today and hope to get the fuel
tank in tomorrow before I reinstall the firewall and engine mount. I will
send you some more pictures as I progress, also some info on the the
progress. JohnD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
| Subject: | brake master cyl. |
Rick or Jim: I noticed in the cabin pictures of your planes that you have
the tubing which goes to the wheel cylinders coming from the sides of the
master cylinders. Did you weld up the mounting holes in the bottom of the
cylinders, or did you just cross drill and install. The cylinders I have,
have the fitting holes on the rear side of the cylinders when mounted on the
bottom cross pin. Thankyou. JohnD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
Time is blasting by Farmer John.... We want to have you flying with us
this summer... Hope you make it.
Weav
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 04:55 PM, john wrote:
>
> Jerry; Another great Tailwind Times, it came today. I got Heathers
> car
> untotaled last week and will start on the engine (Mazda 13-B)
> installation
> this week. Finished forming the firewall today and hope to get the
> fuel
> tank in tomorrow before I reinstall the firewall and engine mount. I
> will
> send you some more pictures as I progress, also some info on the the
> progress. JohnD
>
>
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> _-
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> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
>
>
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: brake master cyl. |
John, I use Matco MT-MC5 The mounting holes are cross drilled so they can
face any direction. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: brake master cyl.
>
> Rick or Jim: I noticed in the cabin pictures of your planes that you have
> the tubing which goes to the wheel cylinders coming from the sides of the
> master cylinders. Did you weld up the mounting holes in the bottom of the
> cylinders, or did you just cross drill and install. The cylinders I have,
> have the fitting holes on the rear side of the cylinders when mounted on
the
> bottom cross pin. Thankyou. JohnD
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com> |
Situation: Getting ready to wire up the wood wings for wing tip lights. Bought
some 18 gauge electrical wire from Wicks. It is covered with white insulating
coating. I would like to run a black wire for the ground wire parallel to the
white power wire. Wicks doesn't sell black a/c wire.
Question: Does the ground wire have to be genuine a/c wire? Where do you buy it?
Can it be black hardware store or Radio Shack wire? Do you just use white and
lable each end? What to do? Eric - in Michigan
---------------------------------
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| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
I think radio shack has heat shrink tubing in colors available in a
multicolored variety pack. Just take a 1/4" piece and sleeve it over each
end of the wire so you can ID it. You can use a little longer length and
then write on it if you want. You can write on it before or after
shrinking.
My Cessna is all done in white. The wire number that coincides with the
wiring diagram is burned into the insulation every few feet. It is still
difficult to deal with. Your question is much valid.
Chris Bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Eric
Schlanser
Subject: Tailwind-List: Electrical Wire
Situation: Getting ready to wire up the wood wings for wing tip lights.
Bought some 18 gauge electrical wire from Wicks. It is covered with white
insulating coating. I would like to run a black wire for the ground wire
parallel to the white power wire. Wicks doesn't sell black a/c wire.
Question: Does the ground wire have to be genuine a/c wire? Where do you buy
it? Can it be black hardware store or Radio Shack wire? Do you just use
white and lable each end? What to do? Eric - in Michigan
---------------------------------
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electrical Wire |
Use the white and label it, the automotive wire insulation melts and burns.
You can buy stick on labels at Radio Shack and other electric places. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Electrical Wire
>
>
> Situation: Getting ready to wire up the wood wings for wing tip lights.
Bought some 18 gauge electrical wire from Wicks. It is covered with white
insulating coating. I would like to run a black wire for the ground wire
parallel to the white power wire. Wicks doesn't sell black a/c wire.
>
> Question: Does the ground wire have to be genuine a/c wire? Where do you
buy it? Can it be black hardware store or Radio Shack wire? Do you just use
white and lable each end? What to do? Eric - in Michigan
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| From: | "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electrical Wire |
Eric,
Don't use cheap wire! That stuff is typically vinyl insulated and does not
stand up long term to general atmospheric contaminants (especially ozone).
It will crack, let moisture in, and cause all kinds of problems. The
easiest thing to do is to mark the wire at both ends with pieces of
different color tapes. Even if you loose the tapes after the wings are
closed, it is an easy task to "ring" them with an ohm meter.
Boud Kuenen
NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Electrical Wire
>
>
> Situation: Getting ready to wire up the wood wings for wing tip lights.
Bought some 18 gauge electrical wire from Wicks. It is covered with white
insulating coating. I would like to run a black wire for the ground wire
parallel to the white power wire. Wicks doesn't sell black a/c wire.
>
> Question: Does the ground wire have to be genuine a/c wire? Where do you
buy it? Can it be black hardware store or Radio Shack wire? Do you just use
white and lable each end? What to do? Eric - in Michigan
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Electrical Wire |
Eric.... run the white wire everywhere. Just code the ends for polarity and
signals...
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Electrical Wire
>
>
> Situation: Getting ready to wire up the wood wings for wing tip lights.
Bought some 18 gauge electrical wire from Wicks. It is covered with white
insulating coating. I would like to run a black wire for the ground wire
parallel to the white power wire. Wicks doesn't sell black a/c wire.
>
> Question: Does the ground wire have to be genuine a/c wire? Where do you
buy it? Can it be black hardware store or Radio Shack wire? Do you just use
white and lable each end? What to do? Eric - in Michigan
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| From: | "Tom McGehee" <valor(at)gbronline.com> |
Hi Jerry,
We got our TW Times today! I usually skim through it before Tommy gets home and
thoroughly enjoyed the "Buttercup Page"..especially Laura Luce's viewpoint;
nice to hear from the wives :-)
Debbie McGehee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electrical Wire |
Please dont even consider any other type wire. I've
been in aircraft avionics all my life (USAF&ANG) and
have seen first hand what electrical fires can do. Mil
spec wire is as important as mil spec fabric, tubing
and spar stock. Any electrical supply store will have
labeling materials as well as colored heat shrink
tubing.
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (BKA)
Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
Jim; How many cable guides or fairleads do you use from behind the seat
area to the rudder? On cable the catalog states that 3/32" cable is good
for nearly 1000# ( lets see here, if each side is good for 1000#, I may not
survive the crash to see if my feet went through the firewall when the
cables broke) is the 3/32" a good choice for the rudder cables? An ounce
saved is performance gained, but not at the exchange of safety. JohnD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
What are you fellows using for hose to connect the fuel cap to the tank? I
don't see any 2" hose listed in the aircraft catalogs. JohnD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com> |
John,
Use the fuel hose that they make for trucks tanks, not radiator hose. It's
called EPDM (ethylene-propylene-diene-monomer). This stuff costs about
$15/foot. It is not effected by any of the additives they put in car gas,
(MTBE, ethynol, methynol, etc). In lieu of this, use something made of
Buna-N (nitrile rubber) or polysulfide rubber.
Boud Kuenen NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.netof
Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel hose
>
> What are you fellows using for hose to connect the fuel cap to the tank?
I
> don't see any 2" hose listed in the aircraft catalogs. JohnD
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
One guide in the corner of the truss behind the seat, another low and near
the front door post. In the rear, a piece of 3/8" tubing brazed to the lower
longeron with a slight bend to line up with the rudder horn. This tube is
about 6" long. My rudder horn is mounted at the very bottom of the rudder
and also steers the tailwheel. You can also use 3/8" tube for the other
guides. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Cable
>
> Jim; How many cable guides or fairleads do you use from behind the seat
> area to the rudder? On cable the catalog states that 3/32" cable is good
> for nearly 1000# ( lets see here, if each side is good for 1000#, I may
not
> survive the crash to see if my feet went through the firewall when the
> cables broke) is the 3/32" a good choice for the rudder cables? An ounce
> saved is performance gained, but not at the exchange of safety. JohnD
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
I get mine from the NAPA store. It is quite stiff and is any type fuel
proof. About $10.00 a foot.
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel hose
>
> What are you fellows using for hose to connect the fuel cap to the tank?
I
> don't see any 2" hose listed in the aircraft catalogs. JohnD
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
The absolute cheapest place to get mil spec wire and other stuff is the
following:
SEA Wire and Cable
1 800 633 7210
or
http://www.sea-wire.com/
Time and again they beat out everybody else and to my knowledge they have no
minimum. Jim Wier from RST Electronics and Kit Planes columnist uses this
source.
chris bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Boud
Kuenen
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel hose
John,
Use the fuel hose that they make for trucks tanks, not radiator hose. It's
called EPDM (ethylene-propylene-diene-monomer). This stuff costs about
$15/foot. It is not effected by any of the additives they put in car gas,
(MTBE, ethynol, methynol, etc). In lieu of this, use something made of
Buna-N (nitrile rubber) or polysulfide rubber.
Boud Kuenen NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.netof
Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel hose
>
> What are you fellows using for hose to connect the fuel cap to the tank?
I
> don't see any 2" hose listed in the aircraft catalogs. JohnD
>
>
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| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
You can put this in the "I've always wanted to do that" category!
The weather FINALLY improved and we were able to go flying today. I'm
based about 10 miles south of Ft. Knox, quite a bit of chopper traffic
between Knox and Ft. Cambell.
Took off and heard over the radio "Elizabethtown traffic, Army Apache
blah blah blah 5 miles north transitioning the area 2500 ft" or some
such. Racked her around and flew towards him, flew past him then hard
around to come up beside him. Keyed up and told him I'd pass him on his
right and he acknowledged.
He might have been doing 140mph, we were doing 200 and waved as we
passed him. About 20 seconds passed, he keyed his mic and said "Hey,
what do you guys have in that thing, anyway?!"
My buddy and I could barely fly for laughing our asses off!!
I've ALWAYS wanted to screw with those guys a little bit.
Rick N241SW
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| From: | Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
YAHOOOOO!!!!! That's just the GREATEST!!! And you weren't even a
securtiy threat...hahahhaha...
Weav
On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 07:05 PM, Rick and Cindy wrote:
>
>
> You can put this in the "I've always wanted to do that" category!
>
> The weather FINALLY improved and we were able to go flying today. I'm
> based about 10 miles south of Ft. Knox, quite a bit of chopper traffic
> between Knox and Ft. Cambell.
>
> Took off and heard over the radio "Elizabethtown traffic, Army Apache
> blah blah blah 5 miles north transitioning the area 2500 ft" or some
> such. Racked her around and flew towards him, flew past him then hard
> around to come up beside him. Keyed up and told him I'd pass him on his
> right and he acknowledged.
>
> He might have been doing 140mph, we were doing 200 and waved as we
> passed him. About 20 seconds passed, he keyed his mic and said "Hey,
> what do you guys have in that thing, anyway?!"
>
> My buddy and I could barely fly for laughing our asses off!!
>
> I've ALWAYS wanted to screw with those guys a little bit.
>
> Rick N241SW
>
>
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> _-
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>
>
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| From: | "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Rick
BRAVO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How COOL !!
I would settle for passing a snow plow about now. Severe case of cabin
fever .
Earl Luce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Fun flight
>
> You can put this in the "I've always wanted to do that" category!
>
> The weather FINALLY improved and we were able to go flying today. I'm
> based about 10 miles south of Ft. Knox, quite a bit of chopper traffic
> between Knox and Ft. Cambell.
>
> Took off and heard over the radio "Elizabethtown traffic, Army Apache
> blah blah blah 5 miles north transitioning the area 2500 ft" or some
> such. Racked her around and flew towards him, flew past him then hard
> around to come up beside him. Keyed up and told him I'd pass him on his
> right and he acknowledged.
>
> He might have been doing 140mph, we were doing 200 and waved as we
> passed him. About 20 seconds passed, he keyed his mic and said "Hey,
> what do you guys have in that thing, anyway?!"
>
> My buddy and I could barely fly for laughing our asses off!!
>
> I've ALWAYS wanted to screw with those guys a little bit.
>
> Rick N241SW
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
I understand, Earl, bet you guys have about had it with the extreme cold and
snow.
Rick
Earl Luce wrote:
>
> Rick
> BRAVO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How COOL !!
> I would settle for passing a snow plow about now. Severe case of cabin
> fever .
> Earl Luce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
> To: "Tailwind discussion group"
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Fun flight
>
> >
> > You can put this in the "I've always wanted to do that" category!
> >
> > The weather FINALLY improved and we were able to go flying today. I'm
> > based about 10 miles south of Ft. Knox, quite a bit of chopper traffic
> > between Knox and Ft. Cambell.
> >
> > Took off and heard over the radio "Elizabethtown traffic, Army Apache
> > blah blah blah 5 miles north transitioning the area 2500 ft" or some
> > such. Racked her around and flew towards him, flew past him then hard
> > around to come up beside him. Keyed up and told him I'd pass him on his
> > right and he acknowledged.
> >
> > He might have been doing 140mph, we were doing 200 and waved as we
> > passed him. About 20 seconds passed, he keyed his mic and said "Hey,
> > what do you guys have in that thing, anyway?!"
> >
> > My buddy and I could barely fly for laughing our asses off!!
> >
> > I've ALWAYS wanted to screw with those guys a little bit.
> >
> > Rick N241SW
> >
> >
>
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| From: | SnellSJ1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Electrical Wire |
Eric
One of the tricks I have used in the past on both security and Lan systems is to
get a tape label maker. (Brother makes one about the $30.00 mark) These are
very thin tape labels which are available in different colors of tape. They
do stick on wire quite well but I take a small piece of clear shrink tube and
slide it over the label. When you shrink it down, (with a heat gun) it seals
and stays for life. I say a heat gun not a match....a match will blacken the
clear shrink tube.
Stephen
Tailwind/Cougar project
Vancouver B.C.
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| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
For those of you fortunate enough to get Discovery Wings, a program
called "Golden Age Frontiers" has a short two part interview with Steve
Wittman, mentions his second place finish to Mr. Mulligan, and has a pic
of Steve and Bonzo.
Rick N241SW
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| From: | "Woods" <dew(at)powerweb.net> |
Rick: Also on Disc Wings is Centennial of Flight. Has a bit about Steve W.
the TW,and Bonzo.
Don Woods
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Wings
>
> For those of you fortunate enough to get Discovery Wings, a program
> called "Golden Age Frontiers" has a short two part interview with Steve
> Wittman, mentions his second place finish to Mr. Mulligan, and has a pic
> of Steve and Bonzo.
> Rick N241SW
>
>
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| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
Attn David Magaw: Couldn't reply to your message for some reason.
Anyway, O-O II gear will be bolted on in a similar fashion to the
original. A center attach point will be used which keeps down the
flexing and possibility of overstressing the lower longerons. Matter of
fact, Robbie Grove of Grove aircraft, who made the gear, just about
insisted that I use a center attach point.
Rick N241SW
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ross & Shirley Leach" <bacs(at)powerup.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Electrical Wire |
Eric
Stick with aircraft wire because it will not go up in flames if there is a
short. If the wing is wood it does not matter which wire is what. Think
about it. Yes the wing is above ground. Well that's what a electrician
would say.
Regards Ross. Caboolture Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Electrical Wire
Situation: Getting ready to wire up the wood wings for wing tip lights.
Bought some 18 gauge electrical wire from Wicks. It is covered with white
insulating coating. I would like to run a black wire for the ground wire
parallel to the white power wire. Wicks doesn't sell black a/c wire.
Question: Does the ground wire have to be genuine a/c wire? Where do you buy
it? Can it be black hardware store or Radio Shack wire? Do you just use
white and lable each end? What to do? Eric - in Michigan
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ross & Shirley Leach" <bacs(at)powerup.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Building of metal wings |
Bill, Thank you for writing. Without people like yourself it would be much
harder to scratch build aircraft because of all the unseen problems you run
into. I have no problems building with either wood or metal as I done both
in the past. I'm not one to redesign a good aircraft but sometimes you have
to make some changes to suit the conditions. One thing no one has mentioned
is that by carrying the fuel in the wings less is put on the fuselage and
struts. I think if I went the metal wing way, I would make fibreglass wing
tips similar to the W10 ones because I feel they are possible very important
in how it handles in flight.
The other option is to build a fibreglass wing with fuel cells. I have seen
the Jabiru wings made at their factory and they have been thoroughly tested
at far excessive loads than which is stated in their brochures. The purist
could then not complain about the smooth finish, of which I agree with.
Ross Leach Caboolture Qld Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Building of metal wings
Ross, I'm another one of the guys building metal wings. My tailwind will be
powered with an O-320 Lycoming and will not have fuel in the wings.
I built the wings from Calbie Woods' plans and did not have any trouble
buying materials. I got them from Wicks Aircraft Supply in Highland, IL, for
what it's worth.
I decided on metal since I had the tools to work it, and did not have the
tools to work with wood. I was also building the wings in a hangar without
heat in the winter, so temperatures became an issue.
I left the fuel out of the wings because it looked like it would be a big
job to seal the wings, and possibly a maintenance problem at some point in
the future if the wings began to leak. Also, there was no help from the
plans as to how to actually construct the tanks, just a note that said "the
tanks goe here".
It also appeard to me that fuel pumps would be necessary to get fuel out of
the tanks reliably. I understand that the prototype had them, but that
another tailwind, which put all the fuel in the wings, did not. (This one
was described in the Tailwind Times.) In order to keep things simple, I
elected to go with a single tank in the fuselage. I am in the process of
building that now. I hope for about 30 gallons which should be adequate for
my needs. I think the advice about this quantity of fuel and a small engine
is sound. Remember that any aircraft will only lift so much and it is
possible to put in so much fuel that there is no way to carry anything else.
I also agree that the metal wing will probably be slower than an equivalent
wooden wing. The surface will be rougher just due to the thin metal skins.
How much difference this makes will probably vary from aircraft to aircraft.
I would also point out that if you intend to incorporate some of Jim
Clement's modifications, there can be a conflict with the metal wing. As
designed, the flap/aileron torque tubes are two inches (approximately)
further forward than they are in the wooden wing. If the door is enlarged,
the pushrods go across the door opening, if other parts are built as
designed. Things also get tight if the off set rear spar carry-thru is used.
Things will fit, but it gets close.
The metal wing is an option, depending on one's skills and comfort with
various materials. I'll know more after my aircraft flys.
Good Luck
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Lamphere" <lamphere(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Electrical Wire |
Eric,
For a little (?) more I was able to order black striped and red-striped
aircraft wire from Aircraft Spruce.
Not sure it really matters in a wood wing - and you could definietly
identify what wire was what with a spare length of wire and a
volt-ohmmeter..
... but the striped wire IS kind-of neat :-)
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ross & Shirley Leach" <bacs(at)powerup.com.au>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Electrical Wire
>
> Eric
>
> Stick with aircraft wire because it will not go up in flames if there is a
> short. If the wing is wood it does not matter which wire is what. Think
> about it. Yes the wing is above ground. Well that's what a electrician
> would say.
>
> Regards Ross. Caboolture Australia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Electrical Wire
>
>
> Situation: Getting ready to wire up the wood wings for wing tip lights.
> Bought some 18 gauge electrical wire from Wicks. It is covered with white
> insulating coating. I would like to run a black wire for the ground wire
> parallel to the white power wire. Wicks doesn't sell black a/c wire.
>
> Question: Does the ground wire have to be genuine a/c wire? Where do you
buy
> it? Can it be black hardware store or Radio Shack wire? Do you just use
> white and lable each end? What to do? Eric - in Michigan
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwind-List Electrical wire |
Ross
Thanks for the tips and joke...it is a joke about the wing above ground isn't it?
Not sure about your humor down under. I don't know enough about circuits to
recognize an eletrician joke when I see it. Not worried about the wing. I need
be able to determine which wire to hook up to the power source wing tip lights.
Eric
Eric
Stick with aircraft wire because it will not go up in flames if there is a
short. If the wing is wood it does not matter which wire is what. Think
about it. Yes the wing is above ground. Well that's what a electrician
would say.
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwind-List Electrical wire |
Eric,
For a little (?) more I was able to order black striped and red-striped
aircraft wire from Aircraft Spruce.
Not sure it really matters in a wood wing - and you could definietly
identify what wire was what with a spare length of wire and a
volt-ohmmeter..
... but the striped wire IS kind-of neat :-)
Dave
I ordered black a/c wire from Aircraft Spruce. They do carry it, but at twice
the price of white. So, I only bought half as much, haha. They can't fool me!
Eric - in Michigan
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ross & Shirley Leach" <bacs(at)powerup.com.au> |
| Subject: | Electrical wiring of wing |
Eric, the wing is all wood so it does not really matter which wire feeds the
bulb holder (it is insulated from the frame by the fact that the materials
it is made from do not transmit electricity). If you want to be technically
correct you would supply (+) the bulb from the centre terminal if it was a
single contact type bulb and connect the earth return to the housing
terminal. If it is a double contact bulb and the housing has no earthing
terminal (above ground), it does not matter which way you feed the current
to it. Above ground really means it is not naturally earthed to any of the
surrounding structure (I listen to my brother's talk who is a electrician.
So some must rub off. I also have wired up six aircraft, Some for myself
and some for others). I'm afraid I did not see the double meaning when I
wrote that, but can sure see the funny side of it now.
Regards Ross Caboolture Qld. Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Tailwind-List Electrical wire
Ross
Thanks for the tips and joke...it is a joke about the wing above ground
isn't it? Not sure about your humor down under. I don't know enough about
circuits to recognize an eletrician joke when I see it. Not worried about
the wing. I need be able to determine which wire to hook up to the power
source wing tip lights.
Eric
Eric
Stick with aircraft wire because it will not go up in flames if there is a
short. If the wing is wood it does not matter which wire is what. Think
about it. Yes the wing is above ground. Well that's what a electrician
would say.
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
I finally got the fuel tank to the point that I could measure the capacity.
It holds 34 gallons!
I just had to tell somebody
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Lamb <lamb01(at)flash.net> |
Dimensions and Pix?
Hurry up, Bill!
William Bernard wrote:
>
>
> I finally got the fuel tank to the point that I could measure the capacity.
>
> It holds 34 gallons!
>
> I just had to tell somebody
>
> Bill
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
Bill; Great going. My tank mathmatically is in that size. I'm hoping I
don't need a lead tailwheel. Hope you filled it up before the price of gas
went up the last .22 cents a gallon. JohnD
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Fuel Tank
>
> I finally got the fuel tank to the point that I could measure the
capacity.
>
> It holds 34 gallons!
>
> I just had to tell somebody
>
> Bill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
I hear ya, JohnD!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fuel Tank
>
> Bill; Great going. My tank mathmatically is in that size. I'm hoping I
> don't need a lead tailwheel. Hope you filled it up before the price of
gas
> went up the last .22 cents a gallon. JohnD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To: ;
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Fuel Tank
>
>
>
> >
> > I finally got the fuel tank to the point that I could measure the
> capacity.
> >
> > It holds 34 gallons!
> >
> > I just had to tell somebody
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Richard, I'm sorry that I don't have any electronic pictures to post.
However the tank is 34.5 inches wide, 15 inches front to back and about 14
inches deep. It just barely fits, and now I have to figure out how to get
everything else into the fuselage. The fun is only beginning.
And yes, I know time is slipping by...
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Lamb" <lamb01(at)flash.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fuel Tank
>
> Dimensions and Pix?
>
> Hurry up, Bill!
>
>
> William Bernard wrote:
> >
> >
> > I finally got the fuel tank to the point that I could measure the
capacity.
> >
> > It holds 34 gallons!
> >
> > I just had to tell somebody
> >
> > Bill
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Stroud" <davestroud(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Tailwind nose dragger parts |
I visited a lady the other day who still has a few bits and pieces left from her
late husband's estate here in town.
He was collecting parts and things for a Tailwind. The wings got sold, but she
still has an RV 6 nose wheel, a full
castering item, with a new 5" wheel, tire and tube and she also has the RV6 landing
gear leg to match. Does anyone
know how much these things sell for new?
If this is of interest to anyone, pls. contact me offline. She also has a new MC-10
nose bowl which I think is the preferred
item for a Tailwind. She typically sells things for the ASS price but in Canadian
bucks which roughly translates into a 33%
saving but I think there's a bit more room to haggle. I think I saw a prop hub
extension too..maybe about 4-6" long
which may be required for that nose bowl.
Dave Stroud
L 16 B replica (Christavia)
C-FDWS Ottawa, Canada
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Lamb <lamb01(at)flash.net> |
Sounds like a really rectangular cross section.
I've been trying to round the bottom, but capacity suffers.
That extra two inches Jim puts up from makes a big difference..
--Richard
William Bernard wrote:
>
>
> Richard, I'm sorry that I don't have any electronic pictures to post.
> However the tank is 34.5 inches wide, 15 inches front to back and about 14
> inches deep. It just barely fits, and now I have to figure out how to get
> everything else into the fuselage. The fun is only beginning.
>
> And yes, I know time is slipping by...
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Lamb" <lamb01(at)flash.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fuel Tank
>
> >
> > Dimensions and Pix?
> >
> > Hurry up, Bill!
> >
> >
> > William Bernard wrote:
> > >
>
> > >
> > > I finally got the fuel tank to the point that I could measure the
> capacity.
> > >
> > > It holds 34 gallons!
> > >
> > > I just had to tell somebody
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
N393RC is getting her second annual, she has 193 tach hrs on her since
1-21-01. Hard to believe she's two years old and we've flown her that
much, and I've enjoyed every single minute of it. We've had very little
trouble with her, I guess the worst was a tiny leak in the fuel tank,
the Tailwind basically being a fuel tank with an airplane built around
it, it's a BITCH to get out. A minor crack in the landing gear mount is
about the only other trouble worth mentioning.
I hope your Tailwind is as good to you as 3RC has been to me, and I
firmly believe that the best airplane people I've ever met are Tailwind
people.
If O-O is again as much fun as the TW has been, I don't know if I'll be
able to stand it!
Rick
N393RC
N241SW
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Am I playing with a full deck? |
Guys,
I just picked up a set of plans from an old timer in the EAA chapter here
and I have listed below the sheets that were all together for the W-8. Does
this look like the full set? I feel it is missing something.
Wittman Tailwind Model W-8 Construction Notes Booklet
Wittman Model W-8 "Tailwind" Cutaway
Cover Sheet with 16 pictures
Cover sheet with 18 pictures
2-100 Specifications 2/28/54
2-102 Fuselage Framework 2/16/54
2-103 Full Size Rib - New Wing
2-104 Fuselage Cross Sections 2/23/54
2-105 Engine Mount 1/15/62
2-105-A Alternate Engine Mount 1/15/62
2-106 Tail Wheel Assemblies 4/4/67
2-106-R Rudder Control Revision 12/5/59
2-107 "Stick" Controls 3/14/54
2-108 Cabin Details 3/30/54
2-109 Wing Details 3/25/54
2-110 Right Door & Details 3/26/54
2-111 Flap Controls 3/31/54
2-112 Misc. Details 4/10/54
W-10 Supplement drawings. All these look like the W-8 drawings but say W-10
on them:
2-100A Specifications 2/28/54
2-101A Wing Details Sheet 1 of 2 12/2/76
2-102A Fuselage Frame Sheet 2 of 2 2/77
2-104A Fuselage Cross Sections 2/23/54
2-105-B Continental O-300 Engine Mount 1/2/76
2-106-A Tail Wheel Assemblies 4/4/67
2-107A "Stick" Controls 1/3/77
2-108A Cabin Details 3/30/54
2-109A Wing Details Sheet 2 of 2 12/21/76
2-111A Flap Controls 3/31/54
Chris Bobka
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry H" <laheze(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwind-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/07/03 |
Hey good for you, I guess that will get you somewhere!!
I am glad for you even if no one else is!
Larry Howell
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Subject: Tailwind-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 02/07/03
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> 1. 02:51 PM - Fuel Tank (William Bernard)
> 2. 04:08 PM - Re: Fuel Tank (Richard Lamb)
>
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> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Fuel Tank
>
>
> I finally got the fuel tank to the point that I could measure the
capacity.
>
> It holds 34 gallons!
>
> I just had to tell somebody
>
> Bill
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: Richard Lamb <lamb01(at)flash.net>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fuel Tank
>
>
> Dimensions and Pix?
>
> Hurry up, Bill!
>
>
> William Bernard wrote:
> >
> >
> > I finally got the fuel tank to the point that I could measure the
capacity.
> >
> > It holds 34 gallons!
> >
> > I just had to tell somebody
> >
> > Bill
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Fuel Tank Pictures |
I was able to get some electronic photos of the tank. See Attachments.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwind nose dragger parts |
David, when I bought my landing gear from Van's, the gear legs, nose wheel
fork, gear leg fairing, nosewheel pant and brackets, nose wheel, tire and
tube came to about $900.00
Hope this helps
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Stroud" <davestroud(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind nose dragger parts
>
> I visited a lady the other day who still has a few bits and pieces left
from her late husband's estate here in town.
> He was collecting parts and things for a Tailwind. The wings got sold, but
she still has an RV 6 nose wheel, a full
> castering item, with a new 5" wheel, tire and tube and she also has the
RV6 landing gear leg to match. Does anyone
> know how much these things sell for new?
> If this is of interest to anyone, pls. contact me offline. She also has a
new MC-10 nose bowl which I think is the preferred
> item for a Tailwind. She typically sells things for the ASS price but in
Canadian bucks which roughly translates into a 33%
> saving but I think there's a bit more room to haggle. I think I saw a prop
hub extension too..maybe about 4-6" long
> which may be required for that nose bowl.
>
> Dave Stroud
> L 16 B replica (Christavia)
> C-FDWS Ottawa, Canada
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com> |
TailwindForum
OK folks I need some help. It seems that since I
reworked my cowl and air box, my 0320-A2B doesn't want
to run right. everything is normal until I rotate. Max
rpm in climb at 100 mph is only 2150 instead of 2400.
I did a full power runup with the tail tied down and
got 2350 static at full throttle, same as it's always
been! I drained the auto fuel and filled it with 100LL
which seemed to help but it is still not running
right. Anyone have any info on the airscoop inlet size
for this engine, pictures of the airbox to match the
Madden cowl? And what about the Aerocarb the Sonex
people are selling http://www.aeroconversions.com
(Aerocarb)?
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (BKA)
Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Brian
Drain the fuel out of the lower back side of the carb. I know it sounds to
simple but I had this problem and found out this was it.
Earl Luce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Alley" <n320wt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Carberation
>
> OK folks I need some help. It seems that since I
> reworked my cowl and air box, my 0320-A2B doesn't want
> to run right. everything is normal until I rotate. Max
> rpm in climb at 100 mph is only 2150 instead of 2400.
> I did a full power runup with the tail tied down and
> got 2350 static at full throttle, same as it's always
> been! I drained the auto fuel and filled it with 100LL
> which seemed to help but it is still not running
> right. Anyone have any info on the airscoop inlet size
> for this engine, pictures of the airbox to match the
> Madden cowl? And what about the Aerocarb the Sonex
> people are selling http://www.aeroconversions.com
> (Aerocarb)?
>
> =====
> BRIAN ALLEY (BKA)
>
> Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit
there.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
Brian: Intake should flow air at least as well as 3" Sceet hose.
Rick
N241SW
Brian Alley wrote:
>
> OK folks I need some help. It seems that since I
> reworked my cowl and air box, my 0320-A2B doesn't want
> to run right. everything is normal until I rotate. Max
> rpm in climb at 100 mph is only 2150 instead of 2400.
> I did a full power runup with the tail tied down and
> got 2350 static at full throttle, same as it's always
> been! I drained the auto fuel and filled it with 100LL
> which seemed to help but it is still not running
> right. Anyone have any info on the airscoop inlet size
> for this engine, pictures of the airbox to match the
> Madden cowl? And what about the Aerocarb the Sonex
> people are selling http://www.aeroconversions.com
> (Aerocarb)?
>
> =====
> BRIAN ALLEY (BKA)
>
> Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans? |
Hello,
I posted a message last evening looking for help on inventorying a set of
original plans I bought used from a dying member of my EAA Chapter. He
needs the money. I need the plans but I don't want to pay if they are not a
full set. Can anyone help confirm that I have a full set? Does anyone
care?
Chris Bobka
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans? |
| From: | "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu> |
If you call AS&S and let them know your plans number they will send you
the newest drawings in cad for about $20. (I think that is what I paid
2-3 years ago)
Steve Eldredge
Old time piet lister, and bearhawker. Currently flying a piet and
rebuilding a Stinson 108-2
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Bobka [mailto:bobka(at)charter.net]
Subject: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
Hello,
I posted a message last evening looking for help on inventorying a set
of
original plans I bought used from a dying member of my EAA Chapter. He
needs the money. I need the plans but I don't want to pay if they are
not a
full set. Can anyone help confirm that I have a full set? Does anyone
care?
Chris Bobka
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans? |
Steve,
I remember you from Brodhead. Do they give the W-8 or W-10? I am looking
to build a W-8. I have the plan number written right on the plan and
probably by Steve Wittman himself. I also have a copy of Experimenter from
about 1956 or so that I picked up at Oshkosh for 5 bucks in the used and
unwanted rack at the EAA Library. It had a tailwind on the cover. After I
took it home, a buddy of mine was looking at it and pointed out that the
address on the other side of the cover was to Steve Wittman! I have
Wittman's copy of the Experimenter with his ship on it!
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Eldredge
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
If you call AS&S and let them know your plans number they will send you
the newest drawings in cad for about $20. (I think that is what I paid
2-3 years ago)
Steve Eldredge
Old time piet lister, and bearhawker. Currently flying a piet and
rebuilding a Stinson 108-2
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Bobka [mailto:bobka(at)charter.net]
Subject: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
Hello,
I posted a message last evening looking for help on inventorying a set
of
original plans I bought used from a dying member of my EAA Chapter. He
needs the money. I need the plans but I don't want to pay if they are
not a
full set. Can anyone help confirm that I have a full set? Does anyone
care?
Chris Bobka
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans? |
Steve: Are you no longer building a tailwind?
Dave
N202Q
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve(at)byu.edu>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
> If you call AS&S and let them know your plans number they will send you
> the newest drawings in cad for about $20. (I think that is what I paid
> 2-3 years ago)
>
> Steve Eldredge
> Old time piet lister, and bearhawker. Currently flying a piet and
> rebuilding a Stinson 108-2
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Bobka [mailto:bobka(at)charter.net]
> To: tailwind
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
> I posted a message last evening looking for help on inventorying a set
> of
> original plans I bought used from a dying member of my EAA Chapter. He
> needs the money. I need the plans but I don't want to pay if they are
> not a
> full set. Can anyone help confirm that I have a full set? Does anyone
> care?
>
> Chris Bobka
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans? |
Christain
There is a W-8 tailwind frame with O-320 engine mounted for sale in upper
northern CA. Don't know if wings are included or not. If you are
interested (or anyone else) I can get you a phone no.
Dave
N202Q
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
> Steve,
>
> I remember you from Brodhead. Do they give the W-8 or W-10? I am looking
> to build a W-8. I have the plan number written right on the plan and
> probably by Steve Wittman himself. I also have a copy of Experimenter
from
> about 1956 or so that I picked up at Oshkosh for 5 bucks in the used and
> unwanted rack at the EAA Library. It had a tailwind on the cover. After
I
> took it home, a buddy of mine was looking at it and pointed out that the
> address on the other side of the cover was to Steve Wittman! I have
> Wittman's copy of the Experimenter with his ship on it!
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
> Eldredge
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
>
> If you call AS&S and let them know your plans number they will send you
> the newest drawings in cad for about $20. (I think that is what I paid
> 2-3 years ago)
>
> Steve Eldredge
> Old time piet lister, and bearhawker. Currently flying a piet and
> rebuilding a Stinson 108-2
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Bobka [mailto:bobka(at)charter.net]
> To: tailwind
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
> I posted a message last evening looking for help on inventorying a set
> of
> original plans I bought used from a dying member of my EAA Chapter. He
> needs the money. I need the plans but I don't want to pay if they are
> not a
> full set. Can anyone help confirm that I have a full set? Does anyone
> care?
>
> Chris Bobka
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | USAviator1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwind nose dragger parts |
Dave, I have not purchased the nose gear for my W10 that I am building yet.
Is it the complete nose gear package that Van's offers?
Steve -in SE Michigan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Stroud" <davestroud(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwind nose dragger parts |
Giday Steve. It is the tire, tube, wheel, swiveling yoke and the nose gear leg
that she has. I tried to identify the parts
on Van's site but could not locate the exact items. She asking $450 U.S. for what
I have described. I don't know
how that price relates to the real world. Her pricing on other stuff she has is
very inconsistent....ie high and low.
Dave Stroud
L 16 B replica (Christavia)
C-FDWS Ottawa, Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: <USAviator1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Tailwind nose dragger parts
>
> Dave, I have not purchased the nose gear for my W10 that I am building yet.
> Is it the complete nose gear package that Van's offers?
>
> Steve -in SE Michigan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans? |
Chris
I'm curious , Why would you build a W-8 there is no advantage over the
W-10 ?
Earl Luce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
> Steve,
>
> I remember you from Brodhead. Do they give the W-8 or W-10? I am looking
> to build a W-8. I have the plan number written right on the plan and
> probably by Steve Wittman himself. I also have a copy of Experimenter
from
> about 1956 or so that I picked up at Oshkosh for 5 bucks in the used and
> unwanted rack at the EAA Library. It had a tailwind on the cover. After
I
> took it home, a buddy of mine was looking at it and pointed out that the
> address on the other side of the cover was to Steve Wittman! I have
> Wittman's copy of the Experimenter with his ship on it!
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
> Eldredge
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
>
> If you call AS&S and let them know your plans number they will send you
> the newest drawings in cad for about $20. (I think that is what I paid
> 2-3 years ago)
>
> Steve Eldredge
> Old time piet lister, and bearhawker. Currently flying a piet and
> rebuilding a Stinson 108-2
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Bobka [mailto:bobka(at)charter.net]
> To: tailwind
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
> I posted a message last evening looking for help on inventorying a set
> of
> original plans I bought used from a dying member of my EAA Chapter. He
> needs the money. I need the plans but I don't want to pay if they are
> not a
> full set. Can anyone help confirm that I have a full set? Does anyone
> care?
>
> Chris Bobka
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Neal Nicholson" <nicholson(at)joink.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel Tank Pictures |
Bill,
When I opened the message I didn't find any attachments.
Neal
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Bernard
Subject: Tailwind-List: Fuel Tank Pictures
I was able to get some electronic photos of the tank. See Attachments.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
"tailwind"
After extensive checking and cross checking, the list of plans you have is
identical to mine with the following exceptions.
2-105-0 1/15/62 (yours) ------- 2-105-0 1/15/79 "olds engine mount (mine)
Dallas, I found my 2-105-O 1/15/79. It was in with olds stuff. For the olds
stuff I have two other drawings: one is a drawing called the "olds adapter"
which is the crankshaft extension and the other I call the crankshaft
extension bearing support (the drawing has no name) . Is that all you have
for the olds installation?
W-10 Supplement drawings
You are missing 2-102A Sheet 1 of 2 W-10 fuselage Frame 2/77 which shows
top, bottom, and side views of the fuselage with the aft end on the left
side of the page and the firewall on the right side.
I take it there is a 2-102A sheet 1 of 2 (that I don't have) and a 2-102A
sheet 2 of 2 (that I do have) and both are dated 2/77. Correct?
Also missing 2-101-A 3/29/67 which is the plans for the "new" thicker W-8
wing and old style wing tip.
I do have a W-10 2-101A "wing details" 12/2/76. Is it different from a
2-101-A which you say is for the W-8? My W-10 2-101A is a sheet 1 of 2
dated 12/2/76. Is there a 2-101A sheet 2 of 2 that you are saying I am
missing? Do you have a sheet 2 of 2? I show a W-10 2-109A "wing Details"
sheet 2 of 2 12/21/76. Could this be the real second sheet for the "...of
2"?
Hope this helps.
David Magaw sent a list. I will forward is email with the Excel attachment.
Let me know if you can't open it. Then I will send it another way.
According to his list, I am missing:
2-101 W-8 Wing Drawing and Details no date
2-101A W-8 Wing Drawing and Details 3/29/67 (this must be the drawing you
talk of above)
2-102A W-10 Fuselage Frame Sheet 1 of 2 (as you discuss above)
2-106 W-8 Rudder Control 3/8/54
2-109-R W-8 Flap/Aileron Modification 1/4/60
Yes it did. Immensely. Serial number 481 here the best I can tell. Is
there anything I have that you don't?
Chris
My plans are number 928 written in ballpoint pen by Steve Wittman
personally.
Dallas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans? |
Earl,
As a newcomer, I am ready for a treatise on the differences. I am looking
to use minimal horsepower, most likely a C-85 up to an O-200. I thought
that the W-8 was more aligned to be used with the smaller powerplants. Why
these engines? Because I already have the engines.
Chris Bobka
Minneapolis - Carlberg Country
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Earl Luce
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
Chris
I'm curious , Why would you build a W-8 there is no advantage over the
W-10 ?
Earl Luce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
> Steve,
>
> I remember you from Brodhead. Do they give the W-8 or W-10? I am looking
> to build a W-8. I have the plan number written right on the plan and
> probably by Steve Wittman himself. I also have a copy of Experimenter
from
> about 1956 or so that I picked up at Oshkosh for 5 bucks in the used and
> unwanted rack at the EAA Library. It had a tailwind on the cover. After
I
> took it home, a buddy of mine was looking at it and pointed out that the
> address on the other side of the cover was to Steve Wittman! I have
> Wittman's copy of the Experimenter with his ship on it!
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
> Eldredge
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
>
> If you call AS&S and let them know your plans number they will send you
> the newest drawings in cad for about $20. (I think that is what I paid
> 2-3 years ago)
>
> Steve Eldredge
> Old time piet lister, and bearhawker. Currently flying a piet and
> rebuilding a Stinson 108-2
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Bobka [mailto:bobka(at)charter.net]
> To: tailwind
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
> I posted a message last evening looking for help on inventorying a set
> of
> original plans I bought used from a dying member of my EAA Chapter. He
> needs the money. I need the plans but I don't want to pay if they are
> not a
> full set. Can anyone help confirm that I have a full set? Does anyone
> care?
>
> Chris Bobka
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Pictures |
Unfortunately the Matronic list does not allow attachments. The photos can
be seen at the Tailwind Forum on Yahoo.com
Sorry,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal Nicholson" <nicholson(at)joink.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Fuel Tank Pictures
>
> Bill,
>
> When I opened the message I didn't find any attachments.
>
> Neal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
> Bernard
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com; TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Fuel Tank Pictures
>
>
>
> I was able to get some electronic photos of the tank. See Attachments.
>
> Bill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com> |
| Subject: | Baraboo, OSH meeting |
This is copied from the Yahoo group for those not on that list;
in my 40 year EAA experience keep it simple and flexible, i think we should just
go over to the casino and eat and gamble if you want, they picked us up with
a bus for free last time. We had a blast!!
Dennis Flamini---- Original Message -----
From: Rick and Cindy
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Arizona Tailwind News
George: Here's what we have so far for the Baraboo/OSH '03 50th anniversary of
the Tailwind:
Malcolm Lovelace, W10 tri-gear N81ML
Boud Kuenen, W10 NX888WT
Brian Alley, W10 N320WT
Dave Magaw, W8 N202Q
Dallas Benham, W10 N160TW
Don White will be coming, but his Tailwind N204DW probably won't be ready
Bill Bernard, N40WB
Eric Schlanser will be coming, but his Tailwind won't be ready
Dennis Flamini, W9+ N564DF
George Turner, W10 N1217W
Bob Matteson, W8/W10 wing N84CD
Tom McGehe, shopping for a Tailwind
Earl Luce, W10 NX264WM
Laura Luce, Buttercup N18263
Fred Weaver, W10 N168X
Jeff Bath, W10 N8175G
Skip Lovell
Wilson Werhan
Dave Stamsta
Joe Dixon
Bob Conner, W8 N4149
Gordon and Shelia Parker, W10 N9168Q
Rod Cody, N83CJ
Steve and Lori, driving
Jim Clement, W10
Rick Crosslin, W10 N393RC
Jeff Lange, coming to Baraboo to get a ride in a Tailwind
5(?) more Tailwinds from Baraboo
Dennis and Fran
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Stroud" <davestroud(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans? |
Chris..I recommend you use the 0-200 and then sell me your C-85 for my next project,
if it is electric start. While we're at it, is there any way you know the weights
of each of these
engines with what accessories may be attached at the minute? Thanks.
Dave Stroud
L 16 B replica (Christavia)
C-FDWS Ottawa, Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
> Earl,
>
> As a newcomer, I am ready for a treatise on the differences. I am looking
> to use minimal horsepower, most likely a C-85 up to an O-200. I thought
> that the W-8 was more aligned to be used with the smaller powerplants. Why
> these engines? Because I already have the engines.
>
> Chris Bobka
> Minneapolis - Carlberg Country
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Earl Luce
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
>
>
> Chris
> I'm curious , Why would you build a W-8 there is no advantage over the
> W-10 ?
> Earl Luce
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
>
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I remember you from Brodhead. Do they give the W-8 or W-10? I am looking
> > to build a W-8. I have the plan number written right on the plan and
> > probably by Steve Wittman himself. I also have a copy of Experimenter
> from
> > about 1956 or so that I picked up at Oshkosh for 5 bucks in the used and
> > unwanted rack at the EAA Library. It had a tailwind on the cover. After
> I
> > took it home, a buddy of mine was looking at it and pointed out that the
> > address on the other side of the cover was to Steve Wittman! I have
> > Wittman's copy of the Experimenter with his ship on it!
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve
> > Eldredge
> > To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
> >
> >
> >
> > If you call AS&S and let them know your plans number they will send you
> > the newest drawings in cad for about $20. (I think that is what I paid
> > 2-3 years ago)
> >
> > Steve Eldredge
> > Old time piet lister, and bearhawker. Currently flying a piet and
> > rebuilding a Stinson 108-2
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Christian Bobka [mailto:bobka(at)charter.net]
> > To: tailwind
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > I posted a message last evening looking for help on inventorying a set
> > of
> > original plans I bought used from a dying member of my EAA Chapter. He
> > needs the money. I need the plans but I don't want to pay if they are
> > not a
> > full set. Can anyone help confirm that I have a full set? Does anyone
> > care?
> >
> > Chris Bobka
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Baraboo, OSH meeting |
Dennis: That idea is nothing short of excellent! If nobody has any serious objections,
dinner at the casino is the plan. Do you mind checking into it for us,
Dennis?
Rick
N241SW
flamini2 wrote:
>
> This is copied from the Yahoo group for those not on that list;
>
> in my 40 year EAA experience keep it simple and flexible, i think we should just
go over to the casino and eat and gamble if you want, they picked us up with
a bus for free last time. We had a blast!!
> Dennis Flamini---- Original Message -----
> From: Rick and Cindy
> To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Arizona Tailwind News
>
> George: Here's what we have so far for the Baraboo/OSH '03 50th anniversary
of the Tailwind:
> Malcolm Lovelace, W10 tri-gear N81ML
> Boud Kuenen, W10 NX888WT
> Brian Alley, W10 N320WT
> Dave Magaw, W8 N202Q
> Dallas Benham, W10 N160TW
> Don White will be coming, but his Tailwind N204DW probably won't be ready
> Bill Bernard, N40WB
> Eric Schlanser will be coming, but his Tailwind won't be ready
> Dennis Flamini, W9+ N564DF
> George Turner, W10 N1217W
> Bob Matteson, W8/W10 wing N84CD
> Tom McGehe, shopping for a Tailwind
> Earl Luce, W10 NX264WM
> Laura Luce, Buttercup N18263
> Fred Weaver, W10 N168X
> Jeff Bath, W10 N8175G
> Skip Lovell
> Wilson Werhan
> Dave Stamsta
> Joe Dixon
> Bob Conner, W8 N4149
> Gordon and Shelia Parker, W10 N9168Q
> Rod Cody, N83CJ
> Steve and Lori, driving
> Jim Clement, W10
> Rick Crosslin, W10 N393RC
> Jeff Lange, coming to Baraboo to get a ride in a Tailwind
> 5(?) more Tailwinds from Baraboo
>
> Dennis and Fran
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com> |
i have to relate this story to you all, only an EAAer would let a complete stranger
fly his plane:
i finally got to see Dallas-Fort Worth airspace from 3200ft over NFW (Navy base)
from an
RV-6A. i had put a request to buy an RV from one of the Sunday breakfast
bunch and got a reply from Grand Prairie, TX. i drove out to the airport and
looked at the plane and took photos and the owner said "do you want to fly"?
so he got in the right seat and i took off to the North with 3 airliners
right overhead going into DFW and turned Southwest and then Northwest over
to NFW and Hicks and then back to Grand Prairie where i made the best
landing of my 41years of flying!!. The RV had an autopilot hooked to a 5" moving
map with digital engine controls.
A really good flying RV!!! Makes you want to put the nosewheel on the Tailwind!!!
We will be back in DFW area this week and on and off thru the winter.
Dennis and Fran, Chicago and Dallas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com> |
i found these 2 links; looks like they have lots of restaurants and a cheap place
to stay for those who don't like to camp.i will leave it up to each of you
to decide and make your own plans, we can decide on the meal when we get together.
This is all subject to JC's approval as i remember he is not too fond of
"engines".
http://hochunk.casinocity.com/
http://www.ho-chunk.com/index.htm
Dennis and Fran
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Caplinger" <n72922(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Baraboo, OSH meeting |
Hello Everyone
I am a newcomer to the list so I hope I do this right. I see that you
are compiling a list for the Baraboo-Oshkosh meeting. Please add me and
N830Z (a W8) to your list. Thanks
Mike Caplinger
Pt. Pleasant, WV
>From: Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
>Reply-To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
>To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo, OSH meeting
>Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:26:40 -0500
>
>
>Dennis: That idea is nothing short of excellent! If nobody has any serious
>objections, dinner at the casino is the plan. Do you mind checking into it
>for us, Dennis?
>Rick
>N241SW
>
>flamini2 wrote:
>
> >
> > This is copied from the Yahoo group for those not on that list;
> >
> > in my 40 year EAA experience keep it simple and flexible, i think we
>should just go over to the casino and eat and gamble if you want, they
>picked us up with a bus for free last time. We had a blast!!
> > Dennis Flamini---- Original Message -----
> > From: Rick and Cindy
> > To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Arizona Tailwind News
> >
> > George: Here's what we have so far for the Baraboo/OSH '03 50th
>anniversary of the Tailwind:
> > Malcolm Lovelace, W10 tri-gear N81ML
> > Boud Kuenen, W10 NX888WT
> > Brian Alley, W10 N320WT
> > Dave Magaw, W8 N202Q
> > Dallas Benham, W10 N160TW
> > Don White will be coming, but his Tailwind N204DW probably won't be
>ready
> > Bill Bernard, N40WB
> > Eric Schlanser will be coming, but his Tailwind won't be ready
> > Dennis Flamini, W9+ N564DF
> > George Turner, W10 N1217W
> > Bob Matteson, W8/W10 wing N84CD
> > Tom McGehe, shopping for a Tailwind
> > Earl Luce, W10 NX264WM
> > Laura Luce, Buttercup N18263
> > Fred Weaver, W10 N168X
> > Jeff Bath, W10 N8175G
> > Skip Lovell
> > Wilson Werhan
> > Dave Stamsta
> > Joe Dixon
> > Bob Conner, W8 N4149
> > Gordon and Shelia Parker, W10 N9168Q
> > Rod Cody, N83CJ
> > Steve and Lori, driving
> > Jim Clement, W10
> > Rick Crosslin, W10 N393RC
> > Jeff Lange, coming to Baraboo to get a ride in a Tailwind
> > 5(?) more Tailwinds from Baraboo
> >
> > Dennis and Fran
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Baraboo, OSH meeting |
Mike: Welcome! See you at Baraboo.
Rick
O-O II
N241SW
Mike Caplinger wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone
> I am a newcomer to the list so I hope I do this right. I see that you
> are compiling a list for the Baraboo-Oshkosh meeting. Please add me and
> N830Z (a W8) to your list. Thanks
>
> Mike Caplinger
> Pt. Pleasant, WV
>
> >From: Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
> >Reply-To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo, OSH meeting
> >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:26:40 -0500
> >
> >
> >Dennis: That idea is nothing short of excellent! If nobody has any serious
> >objections, dinner at the casino is the plan. Do you mind checking into it
> >for us, Dennis?
> >Rick
> >N241SW
> >
> >flamini2 wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > This is copied from the Yahoo group for those not on that list;
> > >
> > > in my 40 year EAA experience keep it simple and flexible, i think we
> >should just go over to the casino and eat and gamble if you want, they
> >picked us up with a bus for free last time. We had a blast!!
> > > Dennis Flamini---- Original Message -----
> > > From: Rick and Cindy
> > > To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:45 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Arizona Tailwind News
> > >
> > > George: Here's what we have so far for the Baraboo/OSH '03 50th
> >anniversary of the Tailwind:
> > > Malcolm Lovelace, W10 tri-gear N81ML
> > > Boud Kuenen, W10 NX888WT
> > > Brian Alley, W10 N320WT
> > > Dave Magaw, W8 N202Q
> > > Dallas Benham, W10 N160TW
> > > Don White will be coming, but his Tailwind N204DW probably won't be
> >ready
> > > Bill Bernard, N40WB
> > > Eric Schlanser will be coming, but his Tailwind won't be ready
> > > Dennis Flamini, W9+ N564DF
> > > George Turner, W10 N1217W
> > > Bob Matteson, W8/W10 wing N84CD
> > > Tom McGehe, shopping for a Tailwind
> > > Earl Luce, W10 NX264WM
> > > Laura Luce, Buttercup N18263
> > > Fred Weaver, W10 N168X
> > > Jeff Bath, W10 N8175G
> > > Skip Lovell
> > > Wilson Werhan
> > > Dave Stamsta
> > > Joe Dixon
> > > Bob Conner, W8 N4149
> > > Gordon and Shelia Parker, W10 N9168Q
> > > Rod Cody, N83CJ
> > > Steve and Lori, driving
> > > Jim Clement, W10
> > > Rick Crosslin, W10 N393RC
> > > Jeff Lange, coming to Baraboo to get a ride in a Tailwind
> > > 5(?) more Tailwinds from Baraboo
> > >
> > > Dennis and Fran
> > >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mike_tailwind(at)att.net |
| Subject: | Re: Is anyone building from Tailwind plans? |
Chris,
Here is the index that I created for my original W-10 plans. It includes the
W-8 and W-10 drawings necessary to build the airplane. The list does not
include the W-8 only drawings, the two pages of photos or the brief manual. I
also got the new CAD drawings from AS&S for $20. I don't know if they are
still making that deal, I'd check - the CAD drawings are nice.
Wittman Tailwind W-10 Working Plans Set Index
DWG # Title Size
2-100A Specifications B
2-101A Wing Details (1 of 2) C
2-102A Fuselage Frame (1 of 2) C
2-102A Fuselage Frame (2 of 2) C
2-103 Rib Outilne Actual
2-104A Fuselage Cross Section C
2-105 Engine Mount B
2-105A Alternate Engine Mount B
2-105B W-10 Engine Mount B
2-106A Tail Wheel Assy B
2-106R Rudder Control Revision B
2-107A Stick Controls C
2-108A Cabin Details C
2-109A Wing Details (2 of 2) C
2-110 Right Door and Details B
2-111A Flap Controls B
2-112 Misc. Details B
> From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Is anyone building a Tailwind from plans?
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I posted a message last evening looking for help on inventorying a set of
> original plans I bought used from a dying member of my EAA Chapter. He
> needs the money. I need the plans but I don't want to pay if they are not a
> full set. Can anyone help confirm that I have a full set? Does anyone
> care?
>
> Chris Bobka
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nicholson" <nicholson(at)joink.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Pictures |
Bill
Not a problem.
Thanks for posting them and thanks for the quick response.
Neal
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:27:16 -0600
>
>Unfortunately the Matronic list does not allow attachments. The
photos can
>be seen at the Tailwind Forum on Yahoo.com
>
>Sorry,
>
>Bill
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Neal Nicholson" <nicholson(at)joink.com>
>To:
>Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Fuel Tank Pictures
>
>
>
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> When I opened the message I didn't find any attachments.
>>
>> Neal
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
William
>> Bernard
>> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com; TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Tailwind-List: Fuel Tank Pictures
>>
>>
>>
>> I was able to get some electronic photos of the tank. See
Attachments.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baraboo, OSH meeting |
| From: | "Bill O'Brien" <billwing(at)together.net> |
on 2/10/03 9:30 PM, Rick and Cindy at rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net wrote:
>
> Mike: Welcome! See you at Baraboo.
> Rick
> O-O II
> N241SW
>
> Mike Caplinger wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Everyone
>> I am a newcomer to the list so I hope I do this right. I see that you
>> are compiling a list for the Baraboo-Oshkosh meeting. Please add me and
>> N830Z (a W8) to your list. Thanks
>>
>> Mike Caplinger
>> Pt. Pleasant, WV
>>
>>> From: Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
>>> Reply-To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
>>> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo, OSH meeting
>>> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:26:40 -0500
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis: That idea is nothing short of excellent! If nobody has any serious
>>> objections, dinner at the casino is the plan. Do you mind checking into it
>>> for us, Dennis?
>>> Rick
>>> N241SW
>>>
>>> flamini2 wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is copied from the Yahoo group for those not on that list;
>>>>
>>>> in my 40 year EAA experience keep it simple and flexible, i think we
>>> should just go over to the casino and eat and gamble if you want, they
>>> picked us up with a bus for free last time. We had a blast!!
>>>> Dennis Flamini---- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Rick and Cindy
>>>> To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:45 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Arizona Tailwind News
>>>>
>>>> George: Here's what we have so far for the Baraboo/OSH '03 50th
>>> anniversary of the Tailwind:
>>>> Malcolm Lovelace, W10 tri-gear N81ML
>>>> Boud Kuenen, W10 NX888WT
>>>> Brian Alley, W10 N320WT
>>>> Dave Magaw, W8 N202Q
>>>> Dallas Benham, W10 N160TW
>>>> Don White will be coming, but his Tailwind N204DW probably won't be
>>> ready
>>>> Bill Bernard, N40WB
>>>> Eric Schlanser will be coming, but his Tailwind won't be ready
>>>> Dennis Flamini, W9+ N564DF
>>>> George Turner, W10 N1217W
>>>> Bob Matteson, W8/W10 wing N84CD
>>>> Tom McGehe, shopping for a Tailwind
>>>> Earl Luce, W10 NX264WM
>>>> Laura Luce, Buttercup N18263
>>>> Fred Weaver, W10 N168X
>>>> Jeff Bath, W10 N8175G
>>>> Skip Lovell
>>>> Wilson Werhan
>>>> Dave Stamsta
>>>> Joe Dixon
>>>> Bob Conner, W8 N4149
>>>> Gordon and Shelia Parker, W10 N9168Q
>>>> Rod Cody, N83CJ
>>>> Steve and Lori, driving
>>>> Jim Clement, W10
>>>> Rick Crosslin, W10 N393RC
>>>> Jeff Lange, coming to Baraboo to get a ride in a Tailwind
>>>> 5(?) more Tailwinds from Baraboo
>>>>
>>>> Dennis and Fran
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Me, too. Plan to arrive Saturday via Grumman (alas, no Tailwind yet).
Bill O'Brien in Vermont
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | USAviator1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Baraboo, OSH meeting |
I wonder what the availability of rooms will be at the casino?
Steve -in Michigan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | USAviator1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Baraboo flyin |
Thanks Dennis!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net> |
Oh-oh, Dennis is moving to the dark side.
Dave
N202Q
----- Original Message -----
From: "flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: DFW
>
> i have to relate this story to you all, only an EAAer would let a complete
stranger fly his plane:
> i finally got to see Dallas-Fort Worth airspace from 3200ft over NFW (Navy
base) from an
> RV-6A. i had put a request to buy an RV from one of the Sunday breakfast
> bunch and got a reply from Grand Prairie, TX. i drove out to the airport
and
> looked at the plane and took photos and the owner said "do you want to
fly"?
> so he got in the right seat and i took off to the North with 3 airliners
> right overhead going into DFW and turned Southwest and then Northwest over
> to NFW and Hicks and then back to Grand Prairie where i made the best
> landing of my 41years of flying!!. The RV had an autopilot hooked to a 5"
moving map with digital engine controls.
> A really good flying RV!!! Makes you want to put the nosewheel on the
Tailwind!!!
> We will be back in DFW area this week and on and off thru the winter.
>
> Dennis and Fran, Chicago and Dallas
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lovelace, Malcolm" <Malcolm.Lovelace(at)coopertools.com> |
Has anyone made reservations for lodging at the casino yet. I was planning
on staying there Saturday and Sunday night and was wondering if we needed to
make reservation now?
Malcolm Lovelace
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flamini2 [SMTP:flamini2(at)attbi.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:06 PM
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com; TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
>
>
> i found these 2 links; looks like they have lots of restaurants and a
> cheap place to stay for those who don't like to camp.i will leave it up to
> each of you to decide and make your own plans, we can decide on the meal
> when we get together. This is all subject to JC's approval as i remember
> he is not too fond of "engines".
>
>
> http://hochunk.casinocity.com/
> http://www.ho-chunk.com/index.htm
>
>
> Dennis and Fran
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | USAviator1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Baraboo flyin |
I called, they are booked up.
Steve -in Michigan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lovelace, Malcolm" <Malcolm.Lovelace(at)coopertools.com> |
Does anyone have a suggestion on where we can stay?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: USAviator1(at)aol.com [SMTP:USAviator1(at)aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:54 PM
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo flyin
>
>
> I called, they are booked up.
>
> Steve -in Michigan
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | USAviator1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Baraboo flyin |
As I remember, when I went out there to visit Jim in 2001, there was a number
of motels/hotels near the interstate.
This will be quite an experience for us as we plan on doing the "C" word for
a few days there and at Osh. Camping is not something we have any experience
with!
Steve -in Michigan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com> |
Malcolm: Go to the following forum to see suggestions as where to stay from us.
TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
"Lovelace, Malcolm" wrote:--> Tailwind-List
message posted by: "Lovelace, Malcolm"
Does anyone have a suggestion on where we can stay?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: USAviator1(at)aol.com [SMTP:USAviator1(at)aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:54 PM
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo flyin
>
>
> I called, they are booked up.
>
> Steve -in Michigan
>
>
>
>
>
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com> |
Malcolm: I sent you to the wrong address for the Tailwindforum. Try this and
join it and you will see lots of info.......if you haven't joined it yet. George
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum/?yguid=90451865
"Lovelace, Malcolm" wrote:--> Tailwind-List
message posted by: "Lovelace, Malcolm"
Does anyone have a suggestion on where we can stay?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: USAviator1(at)aol.com [SMTP:USAviator1(at)aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:54 PM
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo flyin
>
>
> I called, they are booked up.
>
> Steve -in Michigan
>
>
>
>
>
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | IslPilot(at)aol.com |
Working away on #557 for to get airworthy for this summer's activities. What
is the preferred exhaust system for the Tailwind with a Lyc. 0-320? I see
Vetterman advertises in the Tailwind Times. Are guys using a crossover or
4-pipe setup?
Tnx in Advance,
Paul Baron
Charlevoix, MI
#557
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Systems |
Paul,
I have a Vetterman on my O-320, and it is a beautiful system. Larry is a
great guy to work with but he is "very proud of his work". I met John
Forsling at his OSH booth last year who also does beautiful work for about
$200 less. His address is 127887 N. Fifth Street, Parker, CO 80134:
303-841-6054.
I personally think it is worth the money for a stainless system, even though
it'll cost you well over $500.
Boud Kuenen
NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: <IslPilot(at)aol.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Systems
>
> Working away on #557 for to get airworthy for this summer's activities.
What
> is the preferred exhaust system for the Tailwind with a Lyc. 0-320? I see
> Vetterman advertises in the Tailwind Times. Are guys using a crossover or
> 4-pipe setup?
>
> Tnx in Advance,
>
> Paul Baron
> Charlevoix, MI
> #557
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Davstamsta(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Systems |
Paul,
I just received my exhaust from John Forsling. It is a work of art! He was great
to work with and his price is quite fair.
I ordered his 3-d kit where you get a bunch of pvc pipe and some superglue to make
up the tail pipe for a custom fit.
His turnaround time was great. Also does nice heat exchangers and an air-oil seperater.
David Stamsta
Michigan - W10 N917WT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
Jim; What size holes are you putting in the bottom of the wings to install
the nuts that hold the flap and aileron attach bolts in place? It looks
like I should locate these before I attach the upper wing plywood. I have
epoxyed the washers in place as you suggested. Thankyou JohnD.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com> |
John: Jim C. is at His Airpark home, Indian Hills, Salome, Az until the fist
of March, without email access. George....Phoenix
Jim; What size holes are you putting in the bottom of the wings to install
the nuts that hold the flap and aileron attach bolts in place? It looks
like I should locate these before I attach the upper wing plywood. I have
epoxyed the washers in place as you suggested. Thankyou JohnD.
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
Drafted a preliminary weight and balance for O-O II tonight. LOOKS LIKE
IT'S GONNA WORK!!
Rick
O-O II
N241SW
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | USAviator1(at)aol.com |
Hey Farmer John, how ya doing? I am putting 1" holes in the bottom of the
wing. It gives me just enough room to get a wrench in and tighten the hinges
nuts. I know Jim C. made up his own removable covers for the holes, but I
found nice plastic white plugs that snap into place and make an almost
invisible cover.
We hope to be making a trip near you in the next few weeks. Would it be all
right to stop in and see your project again?
Steve -in Michigan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com> |
You can get those white plugs in many sizes at Ace Hardware. Ace is the place.
George
Hey Farmer John, how ya doing? I am putting 1" holes in the bottom of the
wing. It gives me just enough room to get a wrench in and tighten the hinges
nuts. I know Jim C. made up his own removable covers for the holes, but I
found nice plastic white plugs that snap into place and make an almost
invisible cover.
We hope to be making a trip near you in the next few weeks. Would it be all
right to stop in and see your project again?
Steve -in Michigan
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | USAviator1(at)aol.com |
Yes, sorry, I got mine at Home Depot.
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Triplett <tailwind(at)chibardun.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwind-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/12/03 |
Rick are you planning to draw up and sell a set on plans for the O & O
as you go or are you planning to build just the one plane. Bob Rice Lake WI
Tailwind-List Digest Server wrote:
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>
> 1. 07:33 AM - Exhaust Systems (IslPilot(at)aol.com)
> 2. 08:19 AM - Re: Exhaust Systems (Boud Kuenen)
> 3. 12:15 PM - Re: Exhaust Systems (Davstamsta(at)aol.com)
> 4. 07:58 PM - wings (john)
> 5. 08:15 PM - Re: wings (George Turner)
> 6. 08:17 PM - O-O W&B (Rick and Cindy)
>
>
>
>________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
>From: IslPilot(at)aol.com
>Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Systems
>
>
>Working away on #557 for to get airworthy for this summer's activities. What
>is the preferred exhaust system for the Tailwind with a Lyc. 0-320? I see
>Vetterman advertises in the Tailwind Times. Are guys using a crossover or
>4-pipe setup?
>
>Tnx in Advance,
>
>Paul Baron
>Charlevoix, MI
>#557
>
>
>________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
>From: "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com>
>Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Systems
>
>
>Paul,
>
>I have a Vetterman on my O-320, and it is a beautiful system. Larry is a
>great guy to work with but he is "very proud of his work". I met John
>Forsling at his OSH booth last year who also does beautiful work for about
>$200 less. His address is 127887 N. Fifth Street, Parker, CO 80134:
>303-841-6054.
>I personally think it is worth the money for a stainless system, even though
>it'll cost you well over $500.
>
>Boud Kuenen
>NX888WT
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <IslPilot(at)aol.com>
>Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Systems
>
>
>
>
>>
>>Working away on #557 for to get airworthy for this summer's activities.
>>
>>
>What
>
>
>>is the preferred exhaust system for the Tailwind with a Lyc. 0-320? I see
>>Vetterman advertises in the Tailwind Times. Are guys using a crossover or
>>4-pipe setup?
>>
>>Tnx in Advance,
>>
>>Paul Baron
>>Charlevoix, MI
>>#557
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
>From: Davstamsta(at)aol.com
>Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Systems
>
>
>Paul,
>I just received my exhaust from John Forsling. It is a work of art! He was great
>to work with and his price is quite fair.
>I ordered his 3-d kit where you get a bunch of pvc pipe and some superglue to
make
>up the tail pipe for a custom fit.
>His turnaround time was great. Also does nice heat exchangers and an air-oil seperater.
>
>David Stamsta
>Michigan - W10 N917WT
>
>
>________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
>From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
>Subject: Tailwind-List: wings
>
>
>Jim; What size holes are you putting in the bottom of the wings to install
>the nuts that hold the flap and aileron attach bolts in place? It looks
>like I should locate these before I attach the upper wing plywood. I have
>epoxyed the washers in place as you suggested. Thankyou JohnD.
>
>
>________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
>From: George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: wings
>
>
>John: Jim C. is at His Airpark home, Indian Hills, Salome, Az until the fist
>of March, without email access. George....Phoenix
>
>
>Jim; What size holes are you putting in the bottom of the wings to install
>the nuts that hold the flap and aileron attach bolts in place? It looks
>like I should locate these before I attach the upper wing plywood. I have
>epoxyed the washers in place as you suggested. Thankyou JohnD.
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
>________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
>From: Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
>Subject: Tailwind-List: O-O W&B
>
>
>Drafted a preliminary weight and balance for O-O II tonight. LOOKS LIKE
>IT'S GONNA WORK!!
>Rick
>O-O II
>N241SW
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
Thanks for the input guys on the nut covers. Been putting the west system
on the interior of the wings. Hope to have them inclosed by next weekend.
I have rooms for the guys here, at SAA, Urbana, hope you guys let me fly
the Colt if I don't get the W-10 together. Harold Chaney, another W-10
builder and I plan on attending, as well as two Mustang II builders, who are
in the EAA Chapter here. JohnD
Don't Archive.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
Earl Luce has been trying to post a message with no luck, asked me to
post for him. He's building up two Tailwind fuselages. If anyone is
interested, give him a shout. Says they have something like 112" of snow
up there. Brrrr.
Rick
N241SW
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwind-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/12/03 |
Bob: I'm probably going to sell plans for the O-O II. There seems to be several
people who
want them.
Rick
N241SW
Bob Triplett wrote:
>
> Rick are you planning to draw up and sell a set on plans for the O & O
> as you go or are you planning to build just the one plane. Bob Rice Lake WI
>
> Tailwind-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> >*
> >
> > ==================================================
> > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> > ==================================================
> >
> >Today's complete Tailwind-List Digest can be also be found in either
> >of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
> >formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
> >Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
> >version of the Tailwind-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic
> >text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
> >
> >HTML Version:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/digest/tailwind-list/Digest.Tailwind-List.2003-02-12.html
> >
> >Text Version:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/digest/tailwind-list/Digest.Tailwind-List.2003-02-12.txt
> >
> >
> > ================================================
> > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> > ================================================
> >
> >
> > Tailwind-List Digest Archive
> > ---
> > Total Messages Posted Wed 02/12/03: 6
> >
> >
> >Today's Message Index:
> >----------------------
> >
> > 1. 07:33 AM - Exhaust Systems (IslPilot(at)aol.com)
> > 2. 08:19 AM - Re: Exhaust Systems (Boud Kuenen)
> > 3. 12:15 PM - Re: Exhaust Systems (Davstamsta(at)aol.com)
> > 4. 07:58 PM - wings (john)
> > 5. 08:15 PM - Re: wings (George Turner)
> > 6. 08:17 PM - O-O W&B (Rick and Cindy)
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> >From: IslPilot(at)aol.com
> >Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Systems
> >
> >
> >Working away on #557 for to get airworthy for this summer's activities. What
> >is the preferred exhaust system for the Tailwind with a Lyc. 0-320? I see
> >Vetterman advertises in the Tailwind Times. Are guys using a crossover or
> >4-pipe setup?
> >
> >Tnx in Advance,
> >
> >Paul Baron
> >Charlevoix, MI
> >#557
> >
> >
> >________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> >From: "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com>
> >Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Systems
> >
> >
> >Paul,
> >
> >I have a Vetterman on my O-320, and it is a beautiful system. Larry is a
> >great guy to work with but he is "very proud of his work". I met John
> >Forsling at his OSH booth last year who also does beautiful work for about
> >$200 less. His address is 127887 N. Fifth Street, Parker, CO 80134:
> >303-841-6054.
> >I personally think it is worth the money for a stainless system, even though
> >it'll cost you well over $500.
> >
> >Boud Kuenen
> >NX888WT
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <IslPilot(at)aol.com>
> >Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Systems
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Working away on #557 for to get airworthy for this summer's activities.
> >>
> >>
> >What
> >
> >
> >>is the preferred exhaust system for the Tailwind with a Lyc. 0-320? I see
> >>Vetterman advertises in the Tailwind Times. Are guys using a crossover or
> >>4-pipe setup?
> >>
> >>Tnx in Advance,
> >>
> >>Paul Baron
> >>Charlevoix, MI
> >>#557
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> >From: Davstamsta(at)aol.com
> >Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Systems
> >
> >
> >Paul,
> >I just received my exhaust from John Forsling. It is a work of art! He was great
> >to work with and his price is quite fair.
> >I ordered his 3-d kit where you get a bunch of pvc pipe and some superglue to
make
> >up the tail pipe for a custom fit.
> >His turnaround time was great. Also does nice heat exchangers and an air-oil
seperater.
> >
> >David Stamsta
> >Michigan - W10 N917WT
> >
> >
> >________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> >From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
> >Subject: Tailwind-List: wings
> >
> >
> >Jim; What size holes are you putting in the bottom of the wings to install
> >the nuts that hold the flap and aileron attach bolts in place? It looks
> >like I should locate these before I attach the upper wing plywood. I have
> >epoxyed the washers in place as you suggested. Thankyou JohnD.
> >
> >
> >________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> >From: George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: wings
> >
> >
> >
> >John: Jim C. is at His Airpark home, Indian Hills, Salome, Az until the fist
> >of March, without email access. George....Phoenix
> >
> >
> >Jim; What size holes are you putting in the bottom of the wings to install
> >the nuts that hold the flap and aileron attach bolts in place? It looks
> >like I should locate these before I attach the upper wing plywood. I have
> >epoxyed the washers in place as you suggested. Thankyou JohnD.
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >
> >
> >________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
> >
> >
> >From: Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
> >Subject: Tailwind-List: O-O W&B
> >
> >
> >Drafted a preliminary weight and balance for O-O II tonight. LOOKS LIKE
> >IT'S GONNA WORK!!
> >Rick
> >O-O II
> >N241SW
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Earl's message |
Thanks Rick!!!!!!!!
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Earl's message
>
> Earl Luce has been trying to post a message with no luck, asked me to
> post for him. He's building up two Tailwind fuselages. If anyone is
> interested, give him a shout. Says they have something like 112" of snow
> up there. Brrrr.
> Rick
> N241SW
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mcculleyja(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Exhaust Tailpipe Question |
Does any measured temperature data or other information exist to identify how
far below the ship's belly the end of the tailpipe must be and how far ahead
of the start of the fabric it must terminate to avoid overheating the fabric?
Has anyone successfully (i.e. safely) run their tailpipe(s) essentially
parallel to the airflow below the belly to create less turbulence and to take
advantage of the available jet thrust from the exhaust gases exiting parallel
to the flight path? What are some typical measurements and angles at the
exit end of the pipes that existing installations use?
Jim McCulley
(Seeing light ahead in the tunnel)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Tailpipe Question |
Jim, A Mustang II builder named Kent Paser has done a lot of experimentation
on going fast and has also written a book about it, "Speed With Ecomony"
In his chapter on exhaust systems, he says the the exhaust pipes pointing
parallel to the bottom of the fuselage give some 'jet thrust'. He also
relates a story in which, during an experiment, the exhaust tips turned
upward and melted the aluminum belly.
Exhaust gasses are in the range of 1400-1600 degrees F and so you don't want
them pointed at the airplane, unless perhaps it's made of titanium or
inconel X. Maybe a good compromise might be to have the pipes exit at a
slight angle away from the belly.
BTW Kent's book offers a lot of tips applicable to any aircraft, to increase
performance. I got my copy at buildersbookstore.com, if I remember
correctly.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <Mcculleyja(at)aol.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
>
> Does any measured temperature data or other information exist to identify
how
> far below the ship's belly the end of the tailpipe must be and how far
ahead
> of the start of the fabric it must terminate to avoid overheating the
fabric?
> Has anyone successfully (i.e. safely) run their tailpipe(s) essentially
> parallel to the airflow below the belly to create less turbulence and to
take
> advantage of the available jet thrust from the exhaust gases exiting
parallel
> to the flight path? What are some typical measurements and angles at the
> exit end of the pipes that existing installations use?
>
> Jim McCulley
> (Seeing light ahead in the tunnel)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Tailpipe Question |
I believe Jim Clement's pipes exit where the engine air exits so they are not in
the slip stream and they point mostly back and down a little. George....Phoenix
William Bernard wrote:--> Tailwind-List message
posted by: "William Bernard"
Jim, A Mustang II builder named Kent Paser has done a lot of experimentation
on going fast and has also written a book about it, "Speed With Ecomony"
In his chapter on exhaust systems, he says the the exhaust pipes pointing
parallel to the bottom of the fuselage give some 'jet thrust'. He also
relates a story in which, during an experiment, the exhaust tips turned
upward and melted the aluminum belly.
Exhaust gasses are in the range of 1400-1600 degrees F and so you don't want
them pointed at the airplane, unless perhaps it's made of titanium or
inconel X. Maybe a good compromise might be to have the pipes exit at a
slight angle away from the belly.
BTW Kent's book offers a lot of tips applicable to any aircraft, to increase
performance. I got my copy at buildersbookstore.com, if I remember
correctly.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
>
> Does any measured temperature data or other information exist to identify
how
> far below the ship's belly the end of the tailpipe must be and how far
ahead
> of the start of the fabric it must terminate to avoid overheating the
fabric?
> Has anyone successfully (i.e. safely) run their tailpipe(s) essentially
> parallel to the airflow below the belly to create less turbulence and to
take
> advantage of the available jet thrust from the exhaust gases exiting
parallel
> to the flight path? What are some typical measurements and angles at the
> exit end of the pipes that existing installations use?
>
> Jim McCulley
> (Seeing light ahead in the tunnel)
>
>
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Tailpipe Question |
I believe Jim Clement's pipes exit where the engine air exits so they are not in
the slip stream and they point mostly back and down a little. George....Phoenix
William Bernard wrote: --> Tailwind-List message
posted by: "William Bernard"
Jim, A Mustang II builder named Kent Paser has done a lot of experimentation
on going fast and has also written a book about it, "Speed With Ecomony"
In his chapter on exhaust systems, he says the the exhaust pipes pointing
parallel to the bottom of the fuselage give some 'jet thrust'. He also
relates a story in which, during an experiment, the exhaust tips turned
upward and melted the aluminum belly.
Exhaust gasses are in the range of 1400-1600 degrees F and so you don't want
them pointed at the airplane, unless perhaps it's made of titanium or
inconel X. Maybe a good compromise might be to have the pipes exit at a
slight angle away from the belly.
BTW Kent's book offers a lot of tips applicable to any aircraft, to increase
performance. I got my copy at buildersbookstore.com, if I remember
correctly.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
>
> Does any measured temperature data or other information exist to identify
how
> far below the ship's belly the end of the tailpipe must be and how far
ahead
> of the start of the fabric it must terminate to avoid overheating the
fabric?
> Has anyone successfully (i.e. safely) run their tailpipe(s) essentially
> parallel to the airflow below the belly to create less turbulence and to
take
> advantage of the available jet thrust from the exhaust gases exiting
parallel
> to the flight path? What are some typical measurements and angles at the
> exit end of the pipes that existing installations use?
>
> Jim McCulley
> (Seeing light ahead in the tunnel)
>
>
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mcculleyja(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question |
Thanks, Bill and George for your responses. I have read Paser's book and it
is indeed very good. My plan is to angle the pipes ten degrees downward with
respect to the metal belly surface aft of the firewall and terminate the
pipes about 4 inches aft of the firewall, and with the exit about 2 inches
below the metal surface, but my concern is with what may be the temperature
seen by the fabric that begins approximately 15 inches beyond that point. I
suspect the aircraft angle of attack during climb will impose more hot flow
against the fabric than at any other flight condition.
Has anyone already acquired some measured data relative to this on a Tailwind?
Unfortunately, I don't have the lower cowl configuration that Jim Clement
uses.
Jim McCulley
>Jim Clement's pipes exit where the engine air exits so they are not in
>the slip stream and they point mostly back and down a little.
George....Phoenix
> William Bernard wrote: --> Tailwind-List
message
>posted by: "William Bernard"
>Jim, A Mustang II builder named Kent Paser has done a lot of experimentation
>on going fast and has also written a book about it, "Speed With Ecomony"
>In his chapter on exhaust systems, he says the the exhaust pipes pointing
>parallel to the bottom of the fuselage give some 'jet thrust'. He also
>relates a story in which, during an experiment, the exhaust tips turned
>upward and melted the aluminum belly.
>Exhaust gasses are in the range of 1400-1600 degrees F and so you don't want
>them pointed at the airplane, unless perhaps it's made of titanium or
>inconel X. Maybe a good compromise might be to have the pipes exit at a
>slight angle away from the belly.
>BTW Kent's book offers a lot of tips applicable to any aircraft, to increase
>performance. I got my copy at buildersbookstore.com, if I remember
>correctly.
>Bill
----- Original Message -----
>From:
>Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
> Does any measured temperature data or other information exist to identify
>how
> far below the ship's belly the end of the tailpipe must be and how far
>ahead
> of the start of the fabric it must terminate to avoid overheating the
>fabric?
> Has anyone successfully (i.e. safely) run their tailpipe(s) essentially
> parallel to the airflow below the belly to create less turbulence and to
>take
> advantage of the available jet thrust from the exhaust gases exiting
>parallel
> to the flight path? What are some typical measurements and angles at the
> exit end of the pipes that existing installations use?
>
> Jim McCulley
> (Seeing light ahead in the tunnel)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question |
Jim, If my trigonometry is correct, the 'pulse' of exhaust gas should be
just over 4.5 inches below the belly when it gets to the fabric, using the
dimmensions you described. (10 degree angle, 15 inches back, two inches
below the belly)
This strikes me as a bit close and assumes that the gasses don't dispurse at
all in that distance. Maybe a bit more down angle 20 degrees??? might be
better.
Just a guess.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <Mcculleyja(at)aol.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
>
> Thanks, Bill and George for your responses. I have read Paser's book and
it
> is indeed very good. My plan is to angle the pipes ten degrees downward
with
> respect to the metal belly surface aft of the firewall and terminate the
> pipes about 4 inches aft of the firewall, and with the exit about 2 inches
> below the metal surface, but my concern is with what may be the
temperature
> seen by the fabric that begins approximately 15 inches beyond that point.
I
> suspect the aircraft angle of attack during climb will impose more hot
flow
> against the fabric than at any other flight condition.
>
> Has anyone already acquired some measured data relative to this on a
Tailwind?
> Unfortunately, I don't have the lower cowl configuration that Jim Clement
> uses.
>
> Jim McCulley
>
>
> >Jim Clement's pipes exit where the engine air exits so they are not in
> >the slip stream and they point mostly back and down a little.
> George....Phoenix
>
> > William Bernard wrote: --> Tailwind-List
> message
> >posted by: "William Bernard"
>
> >Jim, A Mustang II builder named Kent Paser has done a lot of
experimentation
> >on going fast and has also written a book about it, "Speed With Ecomony"
>
> >In his chapter on exhaust systems, he says the the exhaust pipes pointing
> >parallel to the bottom of the fuselage give some 'jet thrust'. He also
> >relates a story in which, during an experiment, the exhaust tips turned
> >upward and melted the aluminum belly.
>
> >Exhaust gasses are in the range of 1400-1600 degrees F and so you don't
want
> >them pointed at the airplane, unless perhaps it's made of titanium or
> >inconel X. Maybe a good compromise might be to have the pipes exit at a
> >slight angle away from the belly.
>
> >BTW Kent's book offers a lot of tips applicable to any aircraft, to
increase
> >performance. I got my copy at buildersbookstore.com, if I remember
> >correctly.
>
> >Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> >From:
> >Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
> > Does any measured temperature data or other information exist to
identify
> >how
> > far below the ship's belly the end of the tailpipe must be and how far
> >ahead
> > of the start of the fabric it must terminate to avoid overheating the
> >fabric?
> > Has anyone successfully (i.e. safely) run their tailpipe(s) essentially
> > parallel to the airflow below the belly to create less turbulence and to
> >take
> > advantage of the available jet thrust from the exhaust gases exiting
> >parallel
> > to the flight path? What are some typical measurements and angles at the
> > exit end of the pipes that existing installations use?
> >
> > Jim McCulley
> > (Seeing light ahead in the tunnel)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question |
If you tape a thermometer on your belly and ran the engine static at a high rpm
on the ground, I wonder if that would tell you much. George
William Bernard wrote:--> Tailwind-List message
posted by: "William Bernard"
Jim, If my trigonometry is correct, the 'pulse' of exhaust gas should be
just over 4.5 inches below the belly when it gets to the fabric, using the
dimmensions you described. (10 degree angle, 15 inches back, two inches
below the belly)
This strikes me as a bit close and assumes that the gasses don't dispurse at
all in that distance. Maybe a bit more down angle 20 degrees??? might be
better.
Just a guess.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Tailwind-List: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
>
> Thanks, Bill and George for your responses. I have read Paser's book and
it
> is indeed very good. My plan is to angle the pipes ten degrees downward
with
> respect to the metal belly surface aft of the firewall and terminate the
> pipes about 4 inches aft of the firewall, and with the exit about 2 inches
> below the metal surface, but my concern is with what may be the
temperature
> seen by the fabric that begins approximately 15 inches beyond that point.
I
> suspect the aircraft angle of attack during climb will impose more hot
flow
> against the fabric than at any other flight condition.
>
> Has anyone already acquired some measured data relative to this on a
Tailwind?
> Unfortunately, I don't have the lower cowl configuration that Jim Clement
> uses.
>
> Jim McCulley
>
>
> >Jim Clement's pipes exit where the engine air exits so they are not in
> >the slip stream and they point mostly back and down a little.
> George....Phoenix
>
> > William Bernard wrote: --> Tailwind-List
> message
> >posted by: "William Bernard"
>
> >Jim, A Mustang II builder named Kent Paser has done a lot of
experimentation
> >on going fast and has also written a book about it, "Speed With Ecomony"
>
> >In his chapter on exhaust systems, he says the the exhaust pipes pointing
> >parallel to the bottom of the fuselage give some 'jet thrust'. He also
> >relates a story in which, during an experiment, the exhaust tips turned
> >upward and melted the aluminum belly.
>
> >Exhaust gasses are in the range of 1400-1600 degrees F and so you don't
want
> >them pointed at the airplane, unless perhaps it's made of titanium or
> >inconel X. Maybe a good compromise might be to have the pipes exit at a
> >slight angle away from the belly.
>
> >BTW Kent's book offers a lot of tips applicable to any aircraft, to
increase
> >performance. I got my copy at buildersbookstore.com, if I remember
> >correctly.
>
> >Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> >From:
> >Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
> > Does any measured temperature data or other information exist to
identify
> >how
> > far below the ship's belly the end of the tailpipe must be and how far
> >ahead
> > of the start of the fabric it must terminate to avoid overheating the
> >fabric?
> > Has anyone successfully (i.e. safely) run their tailpipe(s) essentially
> > parallel to the airflow below the belly to create less turbulence and to
> >take
> > advantage of the available jet thrust from the exhaust gases exiting
> >parallel
> > to the flight path? What are some typical measurements and angles at the
> > exit end of the pipes that existing installations use?
> >
> > Jim McCulley
> > (Seeing light ahead in the tunnel)
>
>
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question |
Hey guys;
I think your thinking tooooooooooooo much !!!! The object is to keep it
simple and safe , go with what works and get it in the air sometime in your
lifetime.
Earl Luce
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
>
> Jim, If my trigonometry is correct, the 'pulse' of exhaust gas should be
> just over 4.5 inches below the belly when it gets to the fabric, using the
> dimmensions you described. (10 degree angle, 15 inches back, two inches
> below the belly)
>
> This strikes me as a bit close and assumes that the gasses don't dispurse
at
> all in that distance. Maybe a bit more down angle 20 degrees??? might be
> better.
>
> Just a guess.
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Mcculleyja(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
>
>
> >
> > Thanks, Bill and George for your responses. I have read Paser's book and
> it
> > is indeed very good. My plan is to angle the pipes ten degrees downward
> with
> > respect to the metal belly surface aft of the firewall and terminate the
> > pipes about 4 inches aft of the firewall, and with the exit about 2
inches
> > below the metal surface, but my concern is with what may be the
> temperature
> > seen by the fabric that begins approximately 15 inches beyond that
point.
> I
> > suspect the aircraft angle of attack during climb will impose more hot
> flow
> > against the fabric than at any other flight condition.
> >
> > Has anyone already acquired some measured data relative to this on a
> Tailwind?
> > Unfortunately, I don't have the lower cowl configuration that Jim
Clement
> > uses.
> >
> > Jim McCulley
> >
> >
> > >Jim Clement's pipes exit where the engine air exits so they are not in
> > >the slip stream and they point mostly back and down a little.
> > George....Phoenix
> >
> > > William Bernard wrote: -->
Tailwind-List
> > message
> > >posted by: "William Bernard"
> >
> > >Jim, A Mustang II builder named Kent Paser has done a lot of
> experimentation
> > >on going fast and has also written a book about it, "Speed With
Ecomony"
> >
> > >In his chapter on exhaust systems, he says the the exhaust pipes
pointing
> > >parallel to the bottom of the fuselage give some 'jet thrust'. He also
> > >relates a story in which, during an experiment, the exhaust tips turned
> > >upward and melted the aluminum belly.
> >
> > >Exhaust gasses are in the range of 1400-1600 degrees F and so you don't
> want
> > >them pointed at the airplane, unless perhaps it's made of titanium or
> > >inconel X. Maybe a good compromise might be to have the pipes exit at a
> > >slight angle away from the belly.
> >
> > >BTW Kent's book offers a lot of tips applicable to any aircraft, to
> increase
> > >performance. I got my copy at buildersbookstore.com, if I remember
> > >correctly.
> >
> > >Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >From:
> > >Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
> > > Does any measured temperature data or other information exist to
> identify
> > >how
> > > far below the ship's belly the end of the tailpipe must be and how far
> > >ahead
> > > of the start of the fabric it must terminate to avoid overheating the
> > >fabric?
> > > Has anyone successfully (i.e. safely) run their tailpipe(s)
essentially
> > > parallel to the airflow below the belly to create less turbulence and
to
> > >take
> > > advantage of the available jet thrust from the exhaust gases exiting
> > >parallel
> > > to the flight path? What are some typical measurements and angles at
the
> > > exit end of the pipes that existing installations use?
> > >
> > > Jim McCulley
> > > (Seeing light ahead in the tunnel)
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question |
Earl, you probably don't want to hear about the computer controled variable
geometry outlet nozzles for the exhaust pipes, do you?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
>
> Hey guys;
> I think your thinking tooooooooooooo much !!!! The object is to keep it
> simple and safe , go with what works and get it in the air sometime in
your
> lifetime.
> Earl Luce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
>
>
>
> >
> > Jim, If my trigonometry is correct, the 'pulse' of exhaust gas should be
> > just over 4.5 inches below the belly when it gets to the fabric, using
the
> > dimmensions you described. (10 degree angle, 15 inches back, two inches
> > below the belly)
> >
> > This strikes me as a bit close and assumes that the gasses don't
dispurse
> at
> > all in that distance. Maybe a bit more down angle 20 degrees??? might be
> > better.
> >
> > Just a guess.
> >
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Mcculleyja(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Bill and George for your responses. I have read Paser's book
and
> > it
> > > is indeed very good. My plan is to angle the pipes ten degrees
downward
> > with
> > > respect to the metal belly surface aft of the firewall and terminate
the
> > > pipes about 4 inches aft of the firewall, and with the exit about 2
> inches
> > > below the metal surface, but my concern is with what may be the
> > temperature
> > > seen by the fabric that begins approximately 15 inches beyond that
> point.
> > I
> > > suspect the aircraft angle of attack during climb will impose more hot
> > flow
> > > against the fabric than at any other flight condition.
> > >
> > > Has anyone already acquired some measured data relative to this on a
> > Tailwind?
> > > Unfortunately, I don't have the lower cowl configuration that Jim
> Clement
> > > uses.
> > >
> > > Jim McCulley
> > >
> > >
> > > >Jim Clement's pipes exit where the engine air exits so they are not
in
> > > >the slip stream and they point mostly back and down a little.
> > > George....Phoenix
> > >
> > > > William Bernard wrote: -->
> Tailwind-List
> > > message
> > > >posted by: "William Bernard"
> > >
> > > >Jim, A Mustang II builder named Kent Paser has done a lot of
> > experimentation
> > > >on going fast and has also written a book about it, "Speed With
> Ecomony"
> > >
> > > >In his chapter on exhaust systems, he says the the exhaust pipes
> pointing
> > > >parallel to the bottom of the fuselage give some 'jet thrust'. He
also
> > > >relates a story in which, during an experiment, the exhaust tips
turned
> > > >upward and melted the aluminum belly.
> > >
> > > >Exhaust gasses are in the range of 1400-1600 degrees F and so you
don't
> > want
> > > >them pointed at the airplane, unless perhaps it's made of titanium or
> > > >inconel X. Maybe a good compromise might be to have the pipes exit at
a
> > > >slight angle away from the belly.
> > >
> > > >BTW Kent's book offers a lot of tips applicable to any aircraft, to
> > increase
> > > >performance. I got my copy at buildersbookstore.com, if I remember
> > > >correctly.
> > >
> > > >Bill
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >From:
> > > >Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
> > > > Does any measured temperature data or other information exist to
> > identify
> > > >how
> > > > far below the ship's belly the end of the tailpipe must be and how
far
> > > >ahead
> > > > of the start of the fabric it must terminate to avoid overheating
the
> > > >fabric?
> > > > Has anyone successfully (i.e. safely) run their tailpipe(s)
> essentially
> > > > parallel to the airflow below the belly to create less turbulence
and
> to
> > > >take
> > > > advantage of the available jet thrust from the exhaust gases exiting
> > > >parallel
> > > > to the flight path? What are some typical measurements and angles at
> the
> > > > exit end of the pipes that existing installations use?
> > > >
> > > > Jim McCulley
> > > > (Seeing light ahead in the tunnel)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | IslPilot(at)aol.com |
Tnx for all the responses and getting the list going on the same project that
I am dealing with. I have enjoyed Paser's book quite a bit, and anything
that pushes the Tailwind performance further is a plus.
Is John Forslings exhaust systems a "crossover system" or he just replicates
whatever you send him? Does he have a website?
My understanding is that the Vetterman is a true "tuned Exhaust"
Paul
Charlevoix, MI
#557
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question |
Hey Guys,
Earl is right! Aim it in what looks like a safe direction and get going. I
have a Vetterman exhaust and the pipes end about an inch inside the air
outlet (Clement cowl), they are aimed pretty much straight back with a touch
of down. I double skinned the middle third of the belly with .016 aluminum
(unpainted) and 4 layers of dry 4.5 oz fiber glass in between. When I
first started up the engine, it blew out a bunch of preservative oil out the
back and some of it stuck to the bare aluminum but it was very spread out,
from this I decided that the exhaust was disipating quite well. I have a
plastic anti-collision light about 3 feet behind the air outlet and this too
got covered with the preservative oil, but none of it has ever shown any
sign of heat. If I feel the inside of the belly skin after running it a
while, it feels no different than the firewall.
Boud Kuenen
NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
>
> Earl, you probably don't want to hear about the computer controled
variable
> geometry outlet nozzles for the exhaust pipes, do you?
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
>
>
>
> >
> > Hey guys;
> > I think your thinking tooooooooooooo much !!!! The object is to keep it
> > simple and safe , go with what works and get it in the air sometime in
> your
> > lifetime.
> > Earl Luce
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Jim, If my trigonometry is correct, the 'pulse' of exhaust gas should
be
> > > just over 4.5 inches below the belly when it gets to the fabric, using
> the
> > > dimmensions you described. (10 degree angle, 15 inches back, two
inches
> > > below the belly)
> > >
> > > This strikes me as a bit close and assumes that the gasses don't
> dispurse
> > at
> > > all in that distance. Maybe a bit more down angle 20 degrees??? might
be
> > > better.
> > >
> > > Just a guess.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <Mcculleyja(at)aol.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Tailwind-List: RE: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Bill and George for your responses. I have read Paser's book
> and
> > > it
> > > > is indeed very good. My plan is to angle the pipes ten degrees
> downward
> > > with
> > > > respect to the metal belly surface aft of the firewall and terminate
> the
> > > > pipes about 4 inches aft of the firewall, and with the exit about 2
> > inches
> > > > below the metal surface, but my concern is with what may be the
> > > temperature
> > > > seen by the fabric that begins approximately 15 inches beyond that
> > point.
> > > I
> > > > suspect the aircraft angle of attack during climb will impose more
hot
> > > flow
> > > > against the fabric than at any other flight condition.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone already acquired some measured data relative to this on a
> > > Tailwind?
> > > > Unfortunately, I don't have the lower cowl configuration that Jim
> > Clement
> > > > uses.
> > > >
> > > > Jim McCulley
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Jim Clement's pipes exit where the engine air exits so they are not
> in
> > > > >the slip stream and they point mostly back and down a little.
> > > > George....Phoenix
> > > >
> > > > > William Bernard wrote: -->
> > Tailwind-List
> > > > message
> > > > >posted by: "William Bernard"
> > > >
> > > > >Jim, A Mustang II builder named Kent Paser has done a lot of
> > > experimentation
> > > > >on going fast and has also written a book about it, "Speed With
> > Ecomony"
> > > >
> > > > >In his chapter on exhaust systems, he says the the exhaust pipes
> > pointing
> > > > >parallel to the bottom of the fuselage give some 'jet thrust'. He
> also
> > > > >relates a story in which, during an experiment, the exhaust tips
> turned
> > > > >upward and melted the aluminum belly.
> > > >
> > > > >Exhaust gasses are in the range of 1400-1600 degrees F and so you
> don't
> > > want
> > > > >them pointed at the airplane, unless perhaps it's made of titanium
or
> > > > >inconel X. Maybe a good compromise might be to have the pipes exit
at
> a
> > > > >slight angle away from the belly.
> > > >
> > > > >BTW Kent's book offers a lot of tips applicable to any aircraft, to
> > > increase
> > > > >performance. I got my copy at buildersbookstore.com, if I remember
> > > > >correctly.
> > > >
> > > > >Bill
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From:
> > > > >Subject: Tailwind-List: Exhaust Tailpipe Question
> > > > > Does any measured temperature data or other information exist to
> > > identify
> > > > >how
> > > > > far below the ship's belly the end of the tailpipe must be and how
> far
> > > > >ahead
> > > > > of the start of the fabric it must terminate to avoid overheating
> the
> > > > >fabric?
> > > > > Has anyone successfully (i.e. safely) run their tailpipe(s)
> > essentially
> > > > > parallel to the airflow below the belly to create less turbulence
> and
> > to
> > > > >take
> > > > > advantage of the available jet thrust from the exhaust gases
exiting
> > > > >parallel
> > > > > to the flight path? What are some typical measurements and angles
at
> > the
> > > > > exit end of the pipes that existing installations use?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim McCulley
> > > > > (Seeing light ahead in the tunnel)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com> |
While we are on the subject, when do you put these holes in the wing? Before or
after applying the deck cloth wingskin covering? Eric - in Michigan
From: "john"
Subject: Tailwind-List: wings
Jim; What size holes are you putting in the bottom of the wings to install
the nuts that hold the flap and aileron attach bolts in place? It looks
like I should locate these before I attach the upper wing plywood. I have
epoxyed the washers in place as you suggested. Thankyou JohnD.
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
Eric; I'm going to put the location holes in before I install the top
skin, it will be alot easier to locate them.. It appears it will take a
minimum of a 3/4" hole, so I am thinking to go 7/16th ahead of the rearmost
spar and drill a 1/8 location hole from the inside out, than drill the final
hole from the outside. On fabric you can always use a hot tubing the size
of the hole needed in the fabric, after the fabric is on, this keeps the
fabric from fraying. JohnD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re:wings
>
>
> While we are on the subject, when do you put these holes in the wing?
Before or after applying the deck cloth wingskin covering? Eric - in
Michigan
>
> From: "john"
> Subject: Tailwind-List: wings
>
>
> Jim; What size holes are you putting in the bottom of the wings to install
> the nuts that hold the flap and aileron attach bolts in place? It looks
> like I should locate these before I attach the upper wing plywood. I have
> epoxyed the washers in place as you suggested. Thankyou JohnD.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RJ <gatsby8898(at)yahoo.com> |
John & Eric, I did mine after bottom skin was glued
on. Made a pilot hole from the top as John suggested,
used a 1 1/4 inch spade drill from the outside and
drilled just 1/16 in deep. Then used a 1 inch spade
drill to drill through. The result is a 1 inch hole
with a 1/8 inch shoulder to support the disc. (I'm
going to use polished aluminum). I also glued a 3/32
patch over the inside before using the spade drills.
RJ
--- john wrote:
>
>
> Eric; I'm going to put the location holes in
> before I install the top
> skin, it will be alot easier to locate them.. It
> appears it will take a
> minimum of a 3/4" hole, so I am thinking to go
> 7/16th ahead of the rearmost
> spar and drill a 1/8 location hole from the inside
> out, than drill the final
> hole from the outside. On fabric you can always
> use a hot tubing the size
> of the hole needed in the fabric, after the fabric
> is on, this keeps the
> fabric from fraying. JohnD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re:wings
>
>
> Schlanser
> >
> >
> > While we are on the subject, when do you put these
> holes in the wing?
> Before or after applying the deck cloth wingskin
> covering? Eric - in
> Michigan
> >
> > From: "john"
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: wings
> >
> >
> > Jim; What size holes are you putting in the bottom
> of the wings to install
> > the nuts that hold the flap and aileron attach
> bolts in place? It looks
> > like I should locate these before I attach the
> upper wing plywood. I have
> > epoxyed the washers in place as you suggested.
> Thankyou JohnD.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
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| From: | "Walter Critchlow" <wjc1(at)sprint.ca> |
Subject: ma3 carb
looking for carb parts o-300 top half of case any leads?
> thanks Ray Taylor 519-421-6757
E/mail tv.man(at)angelfire.com
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| From: | "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: ma3 carb |
Ray, Go to www.wingsonlin.com/engprt.html
Boud Kuenen
NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Critchlow" <wjc1(at)sprint.ca>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Fw: ma3 carb
>
>
> Subject: ma3 carb
>
>
> looking for carb parts o-300 top half of case any leads?
> > thanks Ray Taylor 519-421-6757
> E/mail tv.man(at)angelfire.com
> >
> >
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| From: | "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: ma3 carb |
correction: that's www.wingsonline.com/engprt.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fw: ma3 carb
>
> Ray, Go to www.wingsonlin.com/engprt.html
>
> Boud Kuenen
> NX888WT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter Critchlow" <wjc1(at)sprint.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Fw: ma3 carb
>
>
> >
> >
> > Subject: ma3 carb
> >
> >
> > looking for carb parts o-300 top half of case any leads?
> > > thanks Ray Taylor 519-421-6757
> > E/mail tv.man(at)angelfire.com
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net> |
"Tailwind list"
| Subject: | West Coast Tailwind Flyin |
To all Western area Tailwinders, and those who want to fly here:
I have been thinking about a date for the 2nd Annual West Coast Tailwind Flyin.
I am leaning towards June 8, which should correspond to the EAA Chapter 52s
monthly breakfast at Yolo County Airport (2Q3). That would also be two weeks
before the Golden West Flying at Yuba Co. Airport. Alternative date would be
May 11, same place, time and food.
This year again I will sponsor breakfast for everyone who flies in to Yolo Co in
a Tailwind or Cougar (or anyone else who can talk me into it). I am also looking
to get Jerry Hey and Fred Weaver to give talks on aspects of tailwind building/flying.
If anyone else would like to contribute to a little talk or seminar
please let me know. Starting time would be around 9:00 AM with breakfast
available till about 11:00 AM Activities starting about 10:30 AM-11:00 AM,
with talks, flyby's, a little joking around, and etc. Jim Lewis said he would
work on getting T-shirts with Tailwind pics on them for a real reasonable price.
Hopefully no mini hurricane this year.
What do you all think???
Dave
N202Q (at 2Q3)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Tailwind Flyin |
| From: | Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
Sounds great to me......
Weav
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:03 AM, David Magaw wrote:
>
> To all Western area Tailwinders, and those who want to fly here:
>
> I have been thinking about a date for the 2nd Annual West Coast
> Tailwind Flyin. I am leaning towards June 8, which should correspond
> to the EAA Chapter 52s monthly breakfast at Yolo County Airport (2Q3).
> That would also be two weeks before the Golden West Flying at Yuba
> Co. Airport. Alternative date would be May 11, same place, time and
> food.
>
> This year again I will sponsor breakfast for everyone who flies in to
> Yolo Co in a Tailwind or Cougar (or anyone else who can talk me into
> it). I am also looking to get Jerry Hey and Fred Weaver to give talks
> on aspects of tailwind building/flying. If anyone else would like to
> contribute to a little talk or seminar please let me know. Starting
> time would be around 9:00 AM with breakfast available till about 11:00
> AM Activities starting about 10:30 AM-11:00 AM, with talks, flyby's,
> a little joking around, and etc. Jim Lewis said he would work on
> getting T-shirts with Tailwind pics on them for a real reasonable
> price. Hopefully no mini hurricane this year.
>
> What do you all think???
>
> Dave
> N202Q (at 2Q3)
>
>
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Luc Hermange" <lucskywalker(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Tailwind Flyin |
Merced's fly-in is on Friday and Saturday June 6 & 7, so Sunday June 8 will
be good.
Luc
Sounds great to me......
Weav
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:03 AM, David Magaw wrote:
>
> To all Western area Tailwinders, and those who want to fly here:
>
> I have been thinking about a date for the 2nd Annual West Coast
> Tailwind Flyin. I am leaning towards June 8, which should correspond
> to the EAA Chapter 52s monthly breakfast at Yolo County Airport (2Q3).
> That would also be two weeks before the Golden West Flying at Yuba
> Co. Airport. Alternative date would be May 11, same place, time and
> food.
>
> This year again I will sponsor breakfast for everyone who flies in to
> Yolo Co in a Tailwind or Cougar (or anyone else who can talk me into
> it). I am also looking to get Jerry Hey and Fred Weaver to give talks
> on aspects of tailwind building/flying. If anyone else would like to
> contribute to a little talk or seminar please let me know. Starting
> time would be around 9:00 AM with breakfast available till about 11:00
> AM Activities starting about 10:30 AM-11:00 AM, with talks, flyby's,
> a little joking around, and etc. Jim Lewis said he would work on
> getting T-shirts with Tailwind pics on them for a real reasonable
> price. Hopefully no mini hurricane this year.
>
> What do you all think???
>
> Dave
> N202Q (at 2Q3)
>
>
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: West Coast Tailwind Flyin |
I would like to attend , it would be a great x-country from N.Y.
Earl Luce
Buttercup # N18263
---- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)flash.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: West Coast Tailwind Flyin
>
> Sounds great to me......
> Weav
> On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:03 AM, David Magaw wrote:
>
> >
> > To all Western area Tailwinders, and those who want to fly here:
> >
> > I have been thinking about a date for the 2nd Annual West Coast
> > Tailwind Flyin. I am leaning towards June 8, which should correspond
> > to the EAA Chapter 52s monthly breakfast at Yolo County Airport (2Q3).
> > That would also be two weeks before the Golden West Flying at Yuba
> > Co. Airport. Alternative date would be May 11, same place, time and
> > food.
> >
> > This year again I will sponsor breakfast for everyone who flies in to
> > Yolo Co in a Tailwind or Cougar (or anyone else who can talk me into
> > it). I am also looking to get Jerry Hey and Fred Weaver to give talks
> > on aspects of tailwind building/flying. If anyone else would like to
> > contribute to a little talk or seminar please let me know. Starting
> > time would be around 9:00 AM with breakfast available till about 11:00
> > AM Activities starting about 10:30 AM-11:00 AM, with talks, flyby's,
> > a little joking around, and etc. Jim Lewis said he would work on
> > getting T-shirts with Tailwind pics on them for a real reasonable
> > price. Hopefully no mini hurricane this year.
> >
> > What do you all think???
> >
> > Dave
> > N202Q (at 2Q3)
> >
> >
> > _-
> > ======================================================================
> > _-
> > ======================================================================
> > _-
> > ======================================================================
> > _-
> > ======================================================================
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Passenger Warning |
I was just reading the FAA Advisory Circular 20-27-E about required placards and
markings. The part that jumped out was the required passenger warning label.
This version of the AC says that the letters must be 3/8" high!
This works out to a placard approximately 4" x 6", or 35" long if you want it all
on one line.
Has anyone who got their aircraft certified recently had this item enforced? The
warning has always had to be there, but in the past a placard about 1.5" x 3"
was OK.
Laying out the instrument panel just got tougher.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Passenger Warning |
That part of the Advisory was re-written at the request of the EAA and a new
revision is out. Check with randy(at)eaa.org if you can find the new version.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Passenger Warning
>
> I was just reading the FAA Advisory Circular 20-27-E about required
placards and markings. The part that jumped out was the required passenger
warning label. This version of the AC says that the letters must be 3/8"
high!
>
> This works out to a placard approximately 4" x 6", or 35" long if you want
it all on one line.
>
> Has anyone who got their aircraft certified recently had this item
enforced? The warning has always had to be there, but in the past a placard
about 1.5" x 3" was OK.
>
> Laying out the instrument panel just got tougher.
>
> Bill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Passenger Warning correction |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Passenger Warning
>
> That part of the Advisory was re-written at the request of the EAA and a
new
> revision is out. Check with randy(at)eaa.org if you can NOT find the new
version.
>
> Cy Galley
> Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To: ;
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Passenger Warning
>
>
>
> >
> > I was just reading the FAA Advisory Circular 20-27-E about required
> placards and markings. The part that jumped out was the required passenger
> warning label. This version of the AC says that the letters must be 3/8"
> high!
> >
> > This works out to a placard approximately 4" x 6", or 35" long if you
want
> it all on one line.
> >
> > Has anyone who got their aircraft certified recently had this item
> enforced? The warning has always had to be there, but in the past a
placard
> about 1.5" x 3" was OK.
> >
> > Laying out the instrument panel just got tougher.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Get Your VCR Ready |
TailwindForum
You'll want to record this!!!
'GLACIER GIRL' SPECIAL ON HISTORY CHANNEL MONDAY --
Tune in to The History Channel this Monday, March 3,
for the premier of
"The Hunt for the Lost Squadron," the amazing story of
the P-38 Glacier
Girl. The World War II fighter was recovered from deep
beneath the ice
of Greenland in 1992 and painstakingly restored to
original condition-a
10-year project. The first showing of the 90-minute
documentary begins
http://www.HistoryChannel.com
.................................................................
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (BKA)
Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RJ <gatsby8898(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Get Your VCR Ready |
Thank you, Bryan. I first saw this plane when they
brought the parts from out of the ice to Oshkosh, and
had them scattered on the ground inside a tent.
Perhaps it will fly to OSH this year.
--- Brian Alley wrote:
>
>
> You'll want to record this!!!
> 'GLACIER GIRL' SPECIAL ON HISTORY CHANNEL MONDAY --
> Tune in to The History Channel this Monday, March 3,
> for the premier of
> "The Hunt for the Lost Squadron," the amazing story
> of
> the P-38 Glacier
> Girl. The World War II fighter was recovered from
> deep
> beneath the ice
> of Greenland in 1992 and painstakingly restored to
> original condition-a
> 10-year project. The first showing of the 90-minute
> documentary begins
> http://www.HistoryChannel.com
>
.................................................................
>
>
> =====
> BRIAN ALLEY (BKA)
>
> Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run
> over if you just sit there.
>
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| From: | RJ <gatsby8898(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Get Your VCR Ready |
Thank you, Bryan. I first saw this plane when they
brought the parts from out of the ice to Oshkosh, and
had them scattered on the ground inside a tent.
Perhaps it will fly to OSH this year.
--- Brian Alley wrote:
>
>
> You'll want to record this!!!
> 'GLACIER GIRL' SPECIAL ON HISTORY CHANNEL MONDAY --
> Tune in to The History Channel this Monday, March 3,
> for the premier of
> "The Hunt for the Lost Squadron," the amazing story
> of
> the P-38 Glacier
> Girl. The World War II fighter was recovered from
> deep
> beneath the ice
> of Greenland in 1992 and painstakingly restored to
> original condition-a
> 10-year project. The first showing of the 90-minute
> documentary begins
> http://www.HistoryChannel.com
>
.................................................................
>
>
> =====
> BRIAN ALLEY (BKA)
>
> Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run
> over if you just sit there.
>
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| From: | "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net> |
"Tailwind list"
| Subject: | 2nd Annual W. Coast Tailwind Flyin--June 8 |
2nd Annual West Coast Tailwind Fly-in
June 8, 2003
Where: Yolo County Airport 2Q3 (Davis, Woodland, Winters in your directory).
Meet at the EAA Hangar, which is on the east side, mid-field. Look for large
"EAA" sign. Plenty of aircraft parking space by hangars. 100LL and Mogas available
at Field.
When: Sunday, June 8, from 9:00 AM till ?? Breakfast from 9AM to 11 AM.
Activities: Look at all the Tailwinds and Cougars. Fly-bys. Great discussion
and good people. Seminar on Tailwinds. Good Breakfast.
Free Breakfast for anyone who flies in via Tailwind or Cougar
Tailwind T-shirts available for a reasonable price
Contact: Dave Magaw 916-806-6360 for any other questions or details.
Brought to you by: EAA Chapt. 52 and Jerry Hey's "Tailwind Times" (Jerry Hey e-mail:
j-winddesigns(at)thegrid.net)
Let's see how many tailwinds we can get there!!
Seminars/Activities:
What engine for your tailwind:
Jerry Hey (re alternative rotary engines)
Fred Weaver (no alternative engines)
Dave Magaw (re upgrading)
Others experience with corvairs, subarus, jabirus, Buicks and Olds engines
Construction Tips:
Jerry Hey (re Clements mods, new drawings from AS&S, gear mounts, other parts availability-where
to buy)
Raffle (all proceeds go to pay for T-shirts and breakfast) Good Grand prize and
runner up prize.
Flybys (weather permitting)
Good conversation and tailwind discussion/viewing
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| From: | "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwind-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/06/03 |
Hey Earl,
I got a call from the game warden. He wants to know if you know anything
about those 3 deer hanging in the tree behind my house.
Boud
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| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
Does anyone recall the name of the distribitor of the plywood in Detroit?
I need a sheet of 1/16" for the wingtips and hate to pay Wicks $50.00 for
shipping and handling. JohnD
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
John, try this.
www.hardwoodint.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: plywood
>
> Does anyone recall the name of the distribitor of the plywood in Detroit?
> I need a sheet of 1/16" for the wingtips and hate to pay Wicks $50.00 for
> shipping and handling. JohnD
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "David Lamphere" <lamphere(at)earthlink.net> |
John,
Suppliers can roll up sheets of 1/16 mahogany ply..
I don't think that will cost $50 shipping will it?? or did prices go up
drastically?
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: plywood
>
> Does anyone recall the name of the distribitor of the plywood in Detroit?
> I need a sheet of 1/16" for the wingtips and hate to pay Wicks $50.00 for
> shipping and handling. JohnD
>
>
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| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
Dave; according to Wicks catalog, full sheets have a $25.00 crating charge
on top of the freight cost. I had a sheet of 1/16 delivered by freight once
(rolled)and someone put a fork on a forktruck through the sheet, don't care
to go that route again if I can help it. JohnD Don't Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lamphere" <lamphere(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: plywood
>
> John,
>
> Suppliers can roll up sheets of 1/16 mahogany ply..
>
> I don't think that will cost $50 shipping will it?? or did prices go up
> drastically?
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
> To: "tailwind"
> Subject: Tailwind-List: plywood
>
>
> >
> > Does anyone recall the name of the distribitor of the plywood in
Detroit?
> > I need a sheet of 1/16" for the wingtips and hate to pay Wicks $50.00
for
> > shipping and handling. JohnD
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
Thanks Jim, i'll give them a call monday. I should be able to pick up the
epoxy for the cowling on the same trip and save the freight on that also.
Too bad you had to come back to the midwest before the weather warmed up.
JohnD Don;t archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: plywood
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> John, try this.
> www.hardwoodint.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
> To: "tailwind"
> Subject: Tailwind-List: plywood
>
>
> >
> > Does anyone recall the name of the distribitor of the plywood in
Detroit?
> > I need a sheet of 1/16" for the wingtips and hate to pay Wicks $50.00
for
> > shipping and handling. JohnD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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hi folks,
this is a test we seem to get eveything bounced back.
ray , buttercup
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| From: | "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net> |
----- Original Message -----
From: Earl Luce
Subject: welding rod
> > I was doing a repair on a gull wing Stinson today ,when the owner gave me his
new rod to use. It was horrible ! Be careful selecting rod , the only place
I use is Vogelsongs in Dillsburg PA . 717-432-4589. The difference is night and
day . I've never found any better for 4130.
> > Earl Luce
> > Buttercup N18263
> > TW NX264WM
> > Snowy and cold NY
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | "David Stroud" <davestroud(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: welding rod |
Good point, Earl..but could you please say what rod it is that Vogelsong sold to
you? Thanks.
Dave Stroud
L 16 B replica (Christavia)
C-FDWS Ottawa, Canada
> Subject: welding rod
>
>
> > > I was doing a repair on a gull wing Stinson today ,when the owner gave me
his new rod to use. It was horrible ! Be
careful selecting rod , the only place I use is Vogelsongs in Dillsburg PA . 717-432-4589.
The difference is night and day .
I've never found any better for 4130.
> > > Earl Luce
> > > Buttercup N18263
> > > TW NX264WM
> > > Snowy and cold NY
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: welding rod |
My welding experts say that many welding stores will try to sell you
heli-arc rod... "it has "better" metallurgy! It is better refined!" It might
be for the high temps of arc welding but it just doesn't work for gas. So
make sure that your get the gas rod version of any welding wire. It melts
and flows much better.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Stroud" <davestroud(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fw: welding rod
>
> Good point, Earl..but could you please say what rod it is that Vogelsong
sold to you? Thanks.
>
> Dave Stroud
> L 16 B replica (Christavia)
> C-FDWS Ottawa, Canada
>
> > Subject: welding rod
> >
> >
> > > > I was doing a repair on a gull wing Stinson today ,when the owner
gave me his new rod to use. It was horrible ! Be
> careful selecting rod , the only place I use is Vogelsongs in Dillsburg PA
. 717-432-4589. The difference is night and day .
> I've never found any better for 4130.
> > > > Earl Luce
> > > > Buttercup N18263
> > > > TW NX264WM
> > > > Snowy and cold NY
>
>
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| From: | "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: welding rod |
Dave
The welding rod is Linde # 7 mild steel .
Earl Luce
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Stroud" <davestroud(at)rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fw: welding rod
>
> Good point, Earl..but could you please say what rod it is that Vogelsong
sold to you? Thanks.
>
> Dave Stroud
> L 16 B replica (Christavia)
> C-FDWS Ottawa, Canada
>
> > Subject: welding rod
> >
> >
> > > > I was doing a repair on a gull wing Stinson today ,when the owner
gave me his new rod to use. It was horrible ! Be
> careful selecting rod , the only place I use is Vogelsongs in Dillsburg PA
. 717-432-4589. The difference is night and day .
> I've never found any better for 4130.
> > > > Earl Luce
> > > > Buttercup N18263
> > > > TW NX264WM
> > > > Snowy and cold NY
>
>
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| From: | "Luc Hermange" <lucskywalker(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: welding rod |
Earl, what type of rod do you use?
Charlie Vogelsong / Dillsburg Aero is the largest supplier of 4130 in the
world. If you want to read a really good article on Charlie and Dillsburg
Aero go to http://airbum.com/articles/ArticleDillsburgAero.html
When you order tubing from Charlie you'd better know EXACTLY what you want
(gauge numbers are not understood there, so convert to decimal before
ordering) he is a no nonsense type of guy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Earl Luce
Subject: welding rod
> > I was doing a repair on a gull wing Stinson today ,when the owner gave
me his new rod to use. It was horrible ! Be careful selecting rod , the only
place I use is Vogelsongs in Dillsburg PA . 717-432-4589. The difference is
night and day . I've never found any better for 4130.
> > Earl Luce
> > Buttercup N18263
> > TW NX264WM
> > Snowy and cold NY
> >
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| From: | "David Stroud" <davestroud(at)rogers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: welding rod |
If you go to this site and slide down to about the 12th file, you'll find a complete
price list from Dillsburg Aero in PDF format.
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=5
Nicely enough, they are right on our way to Sun n Fun.
Dave Stroud
L 16 B replica (Christavia)
C-FDWS Ottawa, Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luc Hermange" <lucskywalker(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Fw: welding rod
>
> Earl, what type of rod do you use?
>
> Charlie Vogelsong / Dillsburg Aero is the largest supplier of 4130 in the
> world. If you want to read a really good article on Charlie and Dillsburg
> Aero go to http://airbum.com/articles/ArticleDillsburgAero.html
>
> When you order tubing from Charlie you'd better know EXACTLY what you want
> (gauge numbers are not understood there, so convert to decimal before
> ordering) he is a no nonsense type of guy.
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| From: | "David Lamphere" <lamphere(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Fuse Front Dimensions |
Would someone tell me what the dimensions are for the fuselage at the
firewall?
I want to be able to install one of Jerry's motor mounts if need be.
The "stock" plans show 37in ctr to ctr between the top longerons, 34in ctr
to ctr between the bottom longerons, and 25in ctr to ctr between the btm
longerons and the top longerons.
Thanks,
Dave Lamphere
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| Subject: | Re: Fuse Front Dimensions |
| From: | Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns(at)thegrid.net> |
That is correct. The engine mount attaches to gussets at each corner.
Jerry
On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 05:45 PM, David Lamphere wrote:
>
>
> Would someone tell me what the dimensions are for the fuselage at the
> firewall?
> I want to be able to install one of Jerry's motor mounts if need be.
>
> The "stock" plans show 37in ctr to ctr between the top longerons, 34in
> ctr
> to ctr between the bottom longerons, and 25in ctr to ctr between the
> btm
> longerons and the top longerons.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Lamphere
>
>
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| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
Spring issue of "To Fly" is out, hope everyone has joined (membership is
donation only, ya know) and has received their copy.
A flyer in the mag has info on the SAA fly in at Frasca Field June
13-15. The Tailwind group forum "Old Eagles, 50th Anniversary of the
Tailwind" is scheduled for the 14th with Dennis Flamini and Jim Clement
stepping up to conduct a question and answer session.
Also, Dennis will be lining up Tailwinds to give rides to SAA members, a
special treat in this anniversary year.
See you there.
Rick
N393RC
N241SW
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| From: | "James Connell" <conneljr(at)bigpond.net.au> |
Rick ! It would be very useful for us TW builders in other countries if the
Q & A sessions at Frasca could be recorded & posted on this forum. Do you
think someone would undertake this task? Regards Jim Connell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: SAA
>
> Spring issue of "To Fly" is out, hope everyone has joined (membership is
> donation only, ya know) and has received their copy.
> A flyer in the mag has info on the SAA fly in at Frasca Field June
> 13-15. The Tailwind group forum "Old Eagles, 50th Anniversary of the
> Tailwind" is scheduled for the 14th with Dennis Flamini and Jim Clement
> stepping up to conduct a question and answer session.
> Also, Dennis will be lining up Tailwinds to give rides to SAA members, a
> special treat in this anniversary year.
> See you there.
> Rick
> N393RC
> N241SW
>
>
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| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
Jim: Haven't thought of that one, and it's a real good idea. Maybe we can come
up
with a way to accomplish it.
Rick
James Connell wrote:
>
> Rick ! It would be very useful for us TW builders in other countries if the
> Q & A sessions at Frasca could be recorded & posted on this forum. Do you
> think someone would undertake this task? Regards Jim Connell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
> To: "Tailwind discussion group"
> Subject: Tailwind-List: SAA
>
> >
> > Spring issue of "To Fly" is out, hope everyone has joined (membership is
> > donation only, ya know) and has received their copy.
> > A flyer in the mag has info on the SAA fly in at Frasca Field June
> > 13-15. The Tailwind group forum "Old Eagles, 50th Anniversary of the
> > Tailwind" is scheduled for the 14th with Dennis Flamini and Jim Clement
> > stepping up to conduct a question and answer session.
> > Also, Dennis will be lining up Tailwinds to give rides to SAA members, a
> > special treat in this anniversary year.
> > See you there.
> > Rick
> > N393RC
> > N241SW
> >
> >
>
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| From: | "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net> |
I have been saving most of Clements responses to a lot of questions asked in
these groups. I have a vague idea of putting them together one day, maybe
with Jerry Hey's help, and make a tailwind construction assistance manual or
something. Recording Jim and Dennis could add to this.
Dave
N202Q
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Connell" <conneljr(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: SAA
>
> Rick ! It would be very useful for us TW builders in other countries if
the
> Q & A sessions at Frasca could be recorded & posted on this forum. Do you
> think someone would undertake this task? Regards Jim Connell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
> To: "Tailwind discussion group"
> Subject: Tailwind-List: SAA
>
>
> >
> > Spring issue of "To Fly" is out, hope everyone has joined (membership is
> > donation only, ya know) and has received their copy.
> > A flyer in the mag has info on the SAA fly in at Frasca Field June
> > 13-15. The Tailwind group forum "Old Eagles, 50th Anniversary of the
> > Tailwind" is scheduled for the 14th with Dennis Flamini and Jim Clement
> > stepping up to conduct a question and answer session.
> > Also, Dennis will be lining up Tailwinds to give rides to SAA members, a
> > special treat in this anniversary year.
> > See you there.
> > Rick
> > N393RC
> > N241SW
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Jim C re: wing plywood |
| From: | "Bill O'Brien" <billwing(at)together.net> |
Jim,
I live not far from Boulter and will pick up my Okoeme (sp?). Do I need any
further specs than 3mm?Thanks,
Bill O'Brien
(W10 wing ribs almost done)
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jim C re: wing plywood |
Bill, I think that's all you need. I talked to Chris, I think he is the
owner. They have spruce also. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill O'Brien" <billwing(at)together.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Jim C re: wing plywood
>
> Jim,
> I live not far from Boulter and will pick up my Okoeme (sp?). Do I need
any
> further specs than 3mm?Thanks,
> Bill O'Brien
> (W10 wing ribs almost done)
>
>
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| From: | "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com> |
| Subject: | Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
Jim Clement,
I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you remember how high and
how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" top tube at the fire
wall?
Thanks, Ben
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| From: | "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Is anyone use a metal prop on there Tailwind ? And if so which one ?
Earl Luce ,N.Y.
NX264WM
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| From: | George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com> |
I used a metal prop on a W-8 with an Lyc 0 235. I gained maybe 3% on speed over
the wood one I had. I had Anderson prop co. chicago modify a prop from
a piper PA 140 150 hp.
I would never use a modified metal prop again.......as there has been several cases
of prop failure on homebuilts using them.
George.......Phoenix
"Earl Luce"
Is anyone use a metal prop on there Tailwind ? And if so which one ?
Earl Luce ,N.Y.
NX264WM
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| From: | Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
Earl.... The sensenich prop that the RV guys use is probably the best
choice. The drag generated by the Tailwind is less than that of an RV
anything and as such, the prop they use will really work great. You
might want to take a look at them. The one they use for the RV6 at
cruise is the one to have.
Weav
On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 03:56 PM, Earl Luce wrote:
>
>
> Is anyone use a metal prop on there Tailwind ? And if so which one ?
> Earl Luce ,N.Y.
> NX264WM
>
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| From: | "flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: [TailwindForum] builders in Texas or Louisiana? |
----- Original Message -----
From: flamini2
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] builders in Texas or Louisiana?
Jimmy,
i will be back in Ft worth in a few weeks and could look at it.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: tallow_98
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:14 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] builders in Texas or Louisiana?
Hey Guys:
Are any of you guys in Texas or Louisiana and do you live near fort
Worth?
Being in Fort Worth is not a necessity, as I would like to look at
your plane whether in finished or unfinished. If in Ft Worth, I was
hoping you could look at the wings of this project and give me an
idea of their "tailwind" authenticity and so forth. If not, I can
come over and lopok at yours and draw my own conclusions.
Jimmy
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| From: | Richard Lamb <lamb01(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: [TailwindForum] builders in Texas or Louisiana? |
I live on Zuehl Field, a small airport near San Antonio.
(1TE4, I think?)
My Tailwind project is about on the gear.
Be glad to show it off.
Our Spring Flock in will be held May 3 here at Zuehl.
Would sure like to see a few Tailwinds there.
Ralph? Can you and JD make it again this year?
Richard
flamini2 wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: flamini2
> To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] builders in Texas or Louisiana?
>
> Jimmy,
> i will be back in Ft worth in a few weeks and could look at it.
> Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tallow_98
> To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:14 PM
> Subject: [TailwindForum] builders in Texas or Louisiana?
>
> Hey Guys:
>
> Are any of you guys in Texas or Louisiana and do you live near fort
> Worth?
> Being in Fort Worth is not a necessity, as I would like to look at
> your plane whether in finished or unfinished. If in Ft Worth, I was
> hoping you could look at the wings of this project and give me an
> idea of their "tailwind" authenticity and so forth. If not, I can
> come over and lopok at yours and draw my own conclusions.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> TailwindForum-unsubscribe(at)yahoogroups.com
>
> The Tailwind Forum group site is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum
>
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did you understand what I
explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube should be 3 1/2"
including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
> Jim Clement,
>
> I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you remember how high
and
> how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" top tube at the fire
> wall?
>
> Thanks, Ben
>
>
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| From: | "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
Jim;
Do you mean 3 1/2" where the perpendicular support is in your photos - the
one that is midway between the firewall and the front carrythru?
Thanks,
Bill Newkirk
Fresno, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did you understand what I
> explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube should be 3 1/2"
> including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
>
>
> >
> > Jim Clement,
> >
> > I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you remember how high
> and
> > how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" top tube at the fire
> > wall?
> >
> > Thanks, Ben
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
Bill, If the firewall is like the plans, it is a 2 1/2" raise from the 5/8"
cross tube. If you raise the firewall 1" on each side it is 3 1/2" raise
from the cross tube. Measured at the center. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
> Jim;
> Do you mean 3 1/2" where the perpendicular support is in your photos - the
> one that is midway between the firewall and the front carrythru?
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Newkirk
> Fresno, CA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
>
> <168x(at)merr.com>
> >
> > Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did you understand what
I
> > explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube should be 3 1/2"
> > including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Jim Clement,
> > >
> > > I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you remember how
high
> > and
> > > how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" top tube at the
fire
> > > wall?
> > >
> > > Thanks, Ben
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com> |
| Subject: | Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
Jim, Yes I do, I think......
I appreciate the follow-up.
Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim and Donna Clement [SMTP:168x(at)merr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:02 PM
To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
intersection
<168x(at)merr.com>
Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did you understand
what I
explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube should be 3
1/2"
including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
To:
Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
intersection
>
> Jim Clement,
>
> I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you remember how
high
and
> how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" top tube at
the fire
> wall?
>
> Thanks, Ben
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kenneth Graves <kbgraves(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwind-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 03/25/03 |
Watch out for radically repitched props. In the Early
days of Tailwinds there were a number of failures.
Ken
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> 1. 03:54 PM - Metal Prop (Earl Luce)
> 2. 04:44 PM - Re: Metal Prop (George Turner)
> 3. 09:35 PM - Re: Metal Prop (Fred Weaver)
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>
> From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Metal Prop
>
>
>
> Is anyone use a metal prop on there Tailwind ? And
> if so which one ?
> Earl Luce ,N.Y.
> NX264WM
>
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> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Metal Prop
>
>
>
>
> I used a metal prop on a W-8 with an Lyc 0 235. I
> gained maybe 3% on speed over
> the wood one I had. I had Anderson prop co.
> chicago modify a prop from
> a piper PA 140 150 hp.
> I would never use a modified metal prop
> again.......as there has been several cases
> of prop failure on homebuilts using them.
> George.......Phoenix
> Earl Luce wrote:-->
> "Earl Luce"
>
> Is anyone use a metal prop on there Tailwind ? And
> if so which one ?
> Earl Luce ,N.Y.
> NX264WM
>
>
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>
>
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> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Metal Prop
> From: Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net>
>
>
>
> Earl.... The sensenich prop that the RV guys use is
> probably the best
> choice. The drag generated by the Tailwind is less
> than that of an RV
> anything and as such, the prop they use will really
> work great. You
> might want to take a look at them. The one they use
> for the RV6 at
> cruise is the one to have.
> Weav
> On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 03:56 PM, Earl Luce
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Is anyone use a metal prop on there Tailwind ?
> And if so which one ?
> > Earl Luce ,N.Y.
> > NX264WM
> >
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| From: | "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
Jim,
I did not explain myself well. I meant to refer to the tube at the edge of
the windshield that goes up toward the roof.
Thanks,
Bill Newkirk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Bill, If the firewall is like the plans, it is a 2 1/2" raise from the
5/8"
> cross tube. If you raise the firewall 1" on each side it is 3 1/2" raise
> from the cross tube. Measured at the center. Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
>
> >
> > Jim;
> > Do you mean 3 1/2" where the perpendicular support is in your photos -
the
> > one that is midway between the firewall and the front carrythru?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill Newkirk
> > Fresno, CA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
intersection
> >
> >
> > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > >
> > > Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did you understand
what
> I
> > > explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube should be 3 1/2"
> > > including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Jim Clement,
> > > >
> > > > I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you remember how
> high
> > > and
> > > > how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" top tube at the
> fire
> > > > wall?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Ben
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
Bill, Are you talking the center windshield bow, the side bows or the bow
that crosses over the firewall side to side?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
> Jim,
> I did not explain myself well. I meant to refer to the tube at the edge
of
> the windshield that goes up toward the roof.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Newkirk
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
>
> <168x(at)merr.com>
> >
> > Bill, If the firewall is like the plans, it is a 2 1/2" raise from the
> 5/8"
> > cross tube. If you raise the firewall 1" on each side it is 3 1/2" raise
> > from the cross tube. Measured at the center. Jim
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
intersection
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Jim;
> > > Do you mean 3 1/2" where the perpendicular support is in your photos -
> the
> > > one that is midway between the firewall and the front carrythru?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bill Newkirk
> > > Fresno, CA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> intersection
> > >
> > >
> > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > >
> > > > Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did you understand
> what
> > I
> > > > explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube should be 3
1/2"
> > > > including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
intersection
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim Clement,
> > > > >
> > > > > I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you remember how
> > high
> > > > and
> > > > > how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" top tube at
the
> > fire
> > > > > wall?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Ben
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
Jim;
I am refering to the side bows.
Bill Newkirk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Bill, Are you talking the center windshield bow, the side bows or the bow
> that crosses over the firewall side to side?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
>
> >
> > Jim,
> > I did not explain myself well. I meant to refer to the tube at the edge
> of
> > the windshield that goes up toward the roof.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill Newkirk
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
intersection
> >
> >
> > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > >
> > > Bill, If the firewall is like the plans, it is a 2 1/2" raise from the
> > 5/8"
> > > cross tube. If you raise the firewall 1" on each side it is 3 1/2"
raise
> > > from the cross tube. Measured at the center. Jim
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> intersection
> > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > > Jim;
> > > > Do you mean 3 1/2" where the perpendicular support is in your
photos -
> > the
> > > > one that is midway between the firewall and the front carrythru?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bill Newkirk
> > > > Fresno, CA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> > intersection
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did you understand
> > what
> > > I
> > > > > explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube should be 3
> 1/2"
> > > > > including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> intersection
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim Clement,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you remember
how
> > > high
> > > > > and
> > > > > > how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" top tube at
> the
> > > fire
> > > > > > wall?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks, Ben
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
The side bows are flush with the cross 5/8" tube. The center bow is 2 1/2"
higher in the center at the firewall. Ben raised his side bows up one inch
at the front therefore making the center bow 3 1/2" above the 5/8" cross
tube. This makes for a better slope of the windshield.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
> Jim;
> I am refering to the side bows.
>
> Bill Newkirk
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
>
> <168x(at)merr.com>
> >
> > Bill, Are you talking the center windshield bow, the side bows or the
bow
> > that crosses over the firewall side to side?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
intersection
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > > I did not explain myself well. I meant to refer to the tube at the
edge
> > of
> > > the windshield that goes up toward the roof.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bill Newkirk
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> intersection
> > >
> > >
> > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > >
> > > > Bill, If the firewall is like the plans, it is a 2 1/2" raise from
the
> > > 5/8"
> > > > cross tube. If you raise the firewall 1" on each side it is 3 1/2"
> raise
> > > > from the cross tube. Measured at the center. Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> > intersection
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim;
> > > > > Do you mean 3 1/2" where the perpendicular support is in your
> photos -
> > > the
> > > > > one that is midway between the firewall and the front carrythru?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Bill Newkirk
> > > > > Fresno, CA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> > > intersection
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did you
understand
> > > what
> > > > I
> > > > > > explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube should be
3
> > 1/2"
> > > > > > including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> > intersection
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jim Clement,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you remember
> how
> > > > high
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" top tube
at
> > the
> > > > fire
> > > > > > > wall?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks, Ben
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
Jim;
Thanks
Bill N
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> The side bows are flush with the cross 5/8" tube. The center bow is 2 1/2"
> higher in the center at the firewall. Ben raised his side bows up one inch
> at the front therefore making the center bow 3 1/2" above the 5/8" cross
> tube. This makes for a better slope of the windshield.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
>
> >
> > Jim;
> > I am refering to the side bows.
> >
> > Bill Newkirk
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
intersection
> >
> >
> > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > >
> > > Bill, Are you talking the center windshield bow, the side bows or the
> bow
> > > that crosses over the firewall side to side?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> intersection
> > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > > Jim,
> > > > I did not explain myself well. I meant to refer to the tube at the
> edge
> > > of
> > > > the windshield that goes up toward the roof.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bill Newkirk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> > intersection
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill, If the firewall is like the plans, it is a 2 1/2" raise from
> the
> > > > 5/8"
> > > > > cross tube. If you raise the firewall 1" on each side it is 3 1/2"
> > raise
> > > > > from the cross tube. Measured at the center. Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> > > intersection
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim;
> > > > > > Do you mean 3 1/2" where the perpendicular support is in your
> > photos -
> > > > the
> > > > > > one that is midway between the firewall and the front carrythru?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Bill Newkirk
> > > > > > Fresno, CA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> > > > intersection
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did you
> understand
> > > > what
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube should
be
> 3
> > > 1/2"
> > > > > > > including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> > > intersection
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jim Clement,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you
remember
> > how
> > > > > high
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" top tube
> at
> > > the
> > > > > fire
> > > > > > > > wall?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks, Ben
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com> |
| Subject: | Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
I raised the 5/8" vertical tubes at the fire wall 1" (station 0) to
alleviate the need for the 1" long little stubs at each corner were the 3/8"
bow connects. (The bow that spans the width of the firewall)
I plan to take a picture this weekend and post on Yahoo on Monday.
Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim and Donna Clement [SMTP:168x(at)merr.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:55 PM
To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
intersection
<168x(at)merr.com>
The side bows are flush with the cross 5/8" tube. The center bow is
2 1/2"
higher in the center at the firewall. Ben raised his side bows up
one inch
at the front therefore making the center bow 3 1/2" above the 5/8"
cross
tube. This makes for a better slope of the windshield.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
To:
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
intersection
>
> Jim;
> I am refering to the side bows.
>
> Bill Newkirk
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
intersection
>
>
> <168x(at)merr.com>
> >
> > Bill, Are you talking the center windshield bow, the side bows
or the
bow
> > that crosses over the firewall side to side?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
intersection
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > > I did not explain myself well. I meant to refer to the tube
at the
edge
> > of
> > > the windshield that goes up toward the roof.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bill Newkirk
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> intersection
> > >
> > >
> > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > >
> > > > Bill, If the firewall is like the plans, it is a 2 1/2"
raise from
the
> > > 5/8"
> > > > cross tube. If you raise the firewall 1" on each side it is
3 1/2"
> raise
> > > > from the cross tube. Measured at the center. Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> > intersection
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim;
> > > > > Do you mean 3 1/2" where the perpendicular support is in
your
> photos -
> > > the
> > > > > one that is midway between the firewall and the front
carrythru?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Bill Newkirk
> > > > > Fresno, CA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield &
cowling
> > > intersection
> > > > >
> > > > >
Clement"
> > > > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did you
understand
> > > what
> > > > I
> > > > > > explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube
should be
3
> > 1/2"
> > > > > > including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> > intersection
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jim Clement,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you
remember
> how
> > > > high
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8"
top tube
at
> > the
> > > > fire
> > > > > > > wall?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks, Ben
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
That is the best way to get the 1" raise if you haven't already built the
fuselage. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
> I raised the 5/8" vertical tubes at the fire wall 1" (station 0) to
> alleviate the need for the 1" long little stubs at each corner were the
3/8"
> bow connects. (The bow that spans the width of the firewall)
> I plan to take a picture this weekend and post on Yahoo on Monday.
>
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim and Donna Clement [SMTP:168x(at)merr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:55 PM
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield &
cowling
> intersection
>
> <168x(at)merr.com>
>
> The side bows are flush with the cross 5/8" tube. The center bow
is
> 2 1/2"
> higher in the center at the firewall. Ben raised his side bows up
> one inch
> at the front therefore making the center bow 3 1/2" above the 5/8"
> cross
> tube. This makes for a better slope of the windshield.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> intersection
>
>
>
> >
> > Jim;
> > I am refering to the side bows.
> >
> > Bill Newkirk
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> intersection
> >
> >
> > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > >
> > > Bill, Are you talking the center windshield bow, the side bows
> or the
> bow
> > > that crosses over the firewall side to side?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> intersection
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Jim,
> > > > I did not explain myself well. I meant to refer to the tube
> at the
> edge
> > > of
> > > > the windshield that goes up toward the roof.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bill Newkirk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> > intersection
> > > >
> > > >
Clement"
> > > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill, If the firewall is like the plans, it is a 2 1/2"
> raise from
> the
> > > > 5/8"
> > > > > cross tube. If you raise the firewall 1" on each side it
is
> 3 1/2"
> > raise
> > > > > from the cross tube. Measured at the center. Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield &
cowling
> > > intersection
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim;
> > > > > > Do you mean 3 1/2" where the perpendicular support is in
> your
> > photos -
> > > > the
> > > > > > one that is midway between the firewall and the front
> carrythru?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Bill Newkirk
> > > > > > Fresno, CA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield &
> cowling
> > > > intersection
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> Clement"
> > > > > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did
you
> understand
> > > > what
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube
> should be
> 3
> > > 1/2"
> > > > > > > including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield &
cowling
> > > intersection
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
Ben"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jim Clement,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do
you
> remember
> > how
> > > > > high
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8"
> top tube
> at
> > > the
> > > > > fire
> > > > > > > > wall?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks, Ben
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Connell" <conneljr(at)bigpond.net.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
Ben! Please do post those details ASAP. This is one of the many fuzzy but
also more important TW.details that encourage potential builders to look
elsewhere. Regards , Jim Connell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
> I raised the 5/8" vertical tubes at the fire wall 1" (station 0) to
> alleviate the need for the 1" long little stubs at each corner were the
3/8"
> bow connects. (The bow that spans the width of the firewall)
> I plan to take a picture this weekend and post on Yahoo on Monday.
>
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim and Donna Clement [SMTP:168x(at)merr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:55 PM
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield &
cowling
> intersection
>
> <168x(at)merr.com>
>
> The side bows are flush with the cross 5/8" tube. The center bow
is
> 2 1/2"
> higher in the center at the firewall. Ben raised his side bows up
> one inch
> at the front therefore making the center bow 3 1/2" above the 5/8"
> cross
> tube. This makes for a better slope of the windshield.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> intersection
>
>
>
> >
> > Jim;
> > I am refering to the side bows.
> >
> > Bill Newkirk
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> intersection
> >
> >
> > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > >
> > > Bill, Are you talking the center windshield bow, the side bows
> or the
> bow
> > > that crosses over the firewall side to side?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> intersection
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Jim,
> > > > I did not explain myself well. I meant to refer to the tube
> at the
> edge
> > > of
> > > > the windshield that goes up toward the roof.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bill Newkirk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling
> > intersection
> > > >
> > > >
Clement"
> > > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill, If the firewall is like the plans, it is a 2 1/2"
> raise from
> the
> > > > 5/8"
> > > > > cross tube. If you raise the firewall 1" on each side it
is
> 3 1/2"
> > raise
> > > > > from the cross tube. Measured at the center. Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield &
cowling
> > > intersection
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim;
> > > > > > Do you mean 3 1/2" where the perpendicular support is in
> your
> > photos -
> > > > the
> > > > > > one that is midway between the firewall and the front
> carrythru?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Bill Newkirk
> > > > > > Fresno, CA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield &
> cowling
> > > > intersection
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> Clement"
> > > > > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did
you
> understand
> > > > what
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube
> should be
> 3
> > > 1/2"
> > > > > > > including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield &
cowling
> > > intersection
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
Ben"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jim Clement,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do
you
> remember
> > how
> > > > > high
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8"
> top tube
> at
> > > the
> > > > > fire
> > > > > > > > wall?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks, Ben
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com> |
| Subject: | Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
Tank.jpg>>
Jim Clement,
I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you remember how
high and
how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" top tube at the
fire
wall?
Thanks, Ben
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection |
Ben, i looked thru my old photos and came across this one of JC's as he was
building.
Dennis and Fran Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
Sorry, wrong photo in previous but shows what TW can do against RV's
----- Original Message -----
From: "Austerman, Ben" <Ben.Austerman(at)coopertools.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection
>
>
> Tank.jpg>>
>
>
>
> Jim Clement,
>
> I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you remember how
> high and
> how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" top tube at
the
> fire
> wall?
>
> Thanks, Ben
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... |
Dear Listers,
The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL
connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't
support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I
just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1
connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority,
1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance
enhancement for all of the List services!
Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past
weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This
afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new
router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything
checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them
swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory,
the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the
case... ;-)
Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we
work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when
everything is up and running on the new T1 line.
Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these
kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka,
flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these
bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the
yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to
support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement,
please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your
Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even
get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL
is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and
enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Some of you may not have heard, mayor Richard "Saddam-Hitler" Daley,
dictator of Chicago, plowed up Meigs Field in the middle of the night
last. Apparently, there's little that can be done.
G'bye, old friend.
Rick
N393RC
N241SW
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net> |
A terrorist he is and hsould be locked up for it.
chris bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick and
Cindy
Subject: Tailwind-List: Meigs
Some of you may not have heard, mayor Richard "Saddam-Hitler" Daley,
dictator of Chicago, plowed up Meigs Field in the middle of the night
last. Apparently, there's little that can be done.
G'bye, old friend.
Rick
N393RC
N241SW
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED! |
Dear Listers,
I just wanted to send out a quick note to let everyone know that the 1.5Mb
T1 connection upgrade went smoothly today. They brought up the new line
and router yesterday on a test subnet and today the ISP switched over
connectivity about 12 noon with little to no incident. I just finished
some performance testing, and it appears that actual throughput and
interactive response is noticeably improved as advertised!
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Lamb <lamb01(at)flash.net> |
extract from AOPA news fed this morning....
THE MEIGS BATTLE CONTINUES
George Bullwinkel has been the AOPA Airport Support Network volunteer
for
Merrill C. Meigs Field (CGX) in Chicago since April 1999--in fact, he
was
one of the first ASN volunteers. Monday was a dark day for Bullwinkel as
his beloved airport was destroyed. His most recent report on Meigs
covers
the reaction of the press and local citizens. "Both major papers are
critical. All the columnists that I have seen so far are critical. The
radio
stations are running interviews with pro-Meigs people. The afternoon
drive-
time talk show that I heard today on WLS [ABC's AM radio outlet] was
more
than critical. Gary Meier and his sidekick absolutely excoriated the
mayor,
calling him a 'paranoid dictator' and a 'jerk.' Most of the callers were
even
more critical, with one calling the closing a 'straight-up gangster
move.'"
The fight for Meigs Field is just beginning and it drives home the point
that
the Airport Support Network is ever more vital to our efforts to sustain
and
grow general aviation in America. Without airports there can be no
airplanes.
Learn more about ASN and how you can help preserve your airport on the
Web
site ( http://www.aopa.org/asn ).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
I've talked with Tom Poberezny and Ric Reynolds, EAA News Editor. It
looks like our 50th anniversary Tailwind gathering will finally be
mentioned in Sport Aviation. It would be kind of nice if we're going to
have this that EAA members know about it before it's over.
Rick
N241SW
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| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Tailwind @ S-N-F |
I was talking with one of the airport bums who just got back from Lakeland. He
told me that there was a Tailwind there with composite wings and an O-360 with
a constant speed prop. Apparently this was a new airplane.
Does anyone know about this?
Bill
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwind @ S-N-F |
Bill, It might be Ben Morphew from TX. He bought a 180hp Tailwind from Bud
Judy recently. It has swept back style wingtips. The wing I believe is wood
with a nice finish, not composite. If you want to get in touch with him I
can send you his email address. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind @ S-N-F
>
> I was talking with one of the airport bums who just got back from
Lakeland. He told me that there was a Tailwind there with composite wings
and an O-360 with a constant speed prop. Apparently this was a new airplane.
>
> Does anyone know about this?
>
> Bill
>
>
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| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwind @ S-N-F |
I was just curious because I was under the impression that there were no
tailwinds at SNF. Thanks for the info.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Tailwind @ S-N-F
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Bill, It might be Ben Morphew from TX. He bought a 180hp Tailwind from Bud
> Judy recently. It has swept back style wingtips. The wing I believe is
wood
> with a nice finish, not composite. If you want to get in touch with him I
> can send you his email address. Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To: ;
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind @ S-N-F
>
>
>
> >
> > I was talking with one of the airport bums who just got back from
> Lakeland. He told me that there was a Tailwind there with composite wings
> and an O-360 with a constant speed prop. Apparently this was a new
airplane.
> >
> > Does anyone know about this?
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | mike_tailwind(at)att.net |
I just got a load of spruce from Wicks, got the spars cut and am getting ready
start gluing wings together.
I understand that many Tailwinders are using West System epoxy to sheet their
wings. I am also planning to do the same. Are you also using West system for
general gluing? Do you use the two step method of applying raw epoxy to both
pieces and then appllying thickened epoxy to one piece before joining? What
thickening agent(filler) do you use?
I have used T-88 to make the ribs. I am debating whether to stick with (no
pun intended) T-88 for the gneral wing build up, or West. I've never used
West but it sounds like it might soak into the wood more?
Thanks in advance for your experiences.
Mike Wilson
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| From: | "Ted Leon" <leondo(at)bigfoot.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Epoxy opinions |
What's wrong with using T-88. It seems like great stuff
and time tested.
Wrong?
Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: <mike_tailwind(at)att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Epoxy opinions
>
> I just got a load of spruce from Wicks, got the spars cut and am getting
ready
> start gluing wings together.
>
> I understand that many Tailwinders are using West System epoxy to sheet
their
> wings. I am also planning to do the same. Are you also using West system
for
> general gluing? Do you use the two step method of applying raw epoxy to
both
> pieces and then appllying thickened epoxy to one piece before joining?
What
> thickening agent(filler) do you use?
>
> I have used T-88 to make the ribs. I am debating whether to stick with
(no
> pun intended) T-88 for the gneral wing build up, or West. I've never used
> West but it sounds like it might soak into the wood more?
>
> Thanks in advance for your experiences.
>
> Mike Wilson
>
>
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Epoxy opinions |
Ted.... West Systems is time proven also and a very user friendly
adhesive...........
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Leon" <leondo(at)bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Epoxy opinions
>
> What's wrong with using T-88. It seems like great stuff
> and time tested.
> Wrong?
> Ted
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mike_tailwind(at)att.net>
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Epoxy opinions
>
>
> >
> > I just got a load of spruce from Wicks, got the spars cut and am getting
> ready
> > start gluing wings together.
> >
> > I understand that many Tailwinders are using West System epoxy to sheet
> their
> > wings. I am also planning to do the same. Are you also using West
system
> for
> > general gluing? Do you use the two step method of applying raw epoxy to
> both
> > pieces and then appllying thickened epoxy to one piece before joining?
> What
> > thickening agent(filler) do you use?
> >
> > I have used T-88 to make the ribs. I am debating whether to stick with
> (no
> > pun intended) T-88 for the gneral wing build up, or West. I've never
used
> > West but it sounds like it might soak into the wood more?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your experiences.
> >
> > Mike Wilson
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Epoxy opinions |
Mike: T88 is my personal choice, it's very easy to use with 1:1 noncritical mixing
ratio, ease of mixing very small batches, etc. There is one place in the
construction of the Tailwind where West system has a GREAT advantage, the sheeting
of the top of the wings. No masking and varnishing as in the old days, just paint
the whole inside of the sheet and the tops of the ribs with West and "slap it on
there" as Clement says. I prefer that the West be thickened for the glue that is
applied to the tops of the ribs.
Rick
mike_tailwind(at)att.net wrote:
>
> I just got a load of spruce from Wicks, got the spars cut and am getting ready
> start gluing wings together.
>
> I understand that many Tailwinders are using West System epoxy to sheet their
> wings. I am also planning to do the same. Are you also using West system for
> general gluing? Do you use the two step method of applying raw epoxy to both
> pieces and then appllying thickened epoxy to one piece before joining? What
> thickening agent(filler) do you use?
>
> I have used T-88 to make the ribs. I am debating whether to stick with (no
> pun intended) T-88 for the gneral wing build up, or West. I've never used
> West but it sounds like it might soak into the wood more?
>
> Thanks in advance for your experiences.
>
> Mike Wilson
>
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Epoxy opinions |
Mike I like the West system. Get the gallon kit and also the calibrated
pumps, it makes mixing simple with no screw ups. It can also be used to coat
the inside of the wing, much better than varnish. Works good for putting on
the 1.4 oz. fiberglass over the plywood. T88 has been around for a long time
and has built a lot of airplanes, other than that I don't know much about
it.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: <mike_tailwind(at)att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Epoxy opinions
>
> I just got a load of spruce from Wicks, got the spars cut and am getting
ready
> start gluing wings together.
>
> I understand that many Tailwinders are using West System epoxy to sheet
their
> wings. I am also planning to do the same. Are you also using West system
for
> general gluing? Do you use the two step method of applying raw epoxy to
both
> pieces and then appllying thickened epoxy to one piece before joining?
What
> thickening agent(filler) do you use?
>
> I have used T-88 to make the ribs. I am debating whether to stick with
(no
> pun intended) T-88 for the gneral wing build up, or West. I've never used
> West but it sounds like it might soak into the wood more?
>
> Thanks in advance for your experiences.
>
> Mike Wilson
>
>
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| From: | "Chili" <RBArdis(at)chilitech.com> |
, "Patty Chiles" ,
"Mary McMillan" , ,
"Laura Ardis" , ,
, "fayeann ardis" ,
,
A virus has been passed to me by a contact. My address book was infected. Since
you are in my address book, there is a good chance that you will find it in
your computer too. The virus ( called jdbgmr.exe) is not detected by Norton
nor Mc-afree anti virus systems. The virus sits quiet for 14 days before damageing
your system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address book,
whether or onto you sent Emails to your contacts. Here is how to check for
the virus and how to get rid of it. PLEASE DO THIS!
1. Go to start, then click your "find or search" option
2. In the file folder option type the name...jdbgmgr.exe
3. Be sure you search your C drive and all sub-folders and any other drives that
you may have.
4. Click "find now"
5. The virus has a teddy bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT!!!!!!!!
6. Go to edit (on your tool bar) and choose "select all" to highlight the file
without opening it.
7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select DELETE. It will then go to the
recycle bin. Then empty your recycle bin! If you find that you have the virus
you must contact all of the people in your address book!! To do this:
1. Open a new email message
2. Click the icon of the address book next to the "To"
3. Highlight every name and add to BCC
4. Copy this message paste to email and send
Sorry for the inconvenience,
Robert Ardis
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| From: | "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net> |
Before you do this, look up hoaxes. You will probably find this and find
that you made a big mistake following these instructions.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chili" <RBArdis(at)chilitech.com>
; "Patty Chiles" ; "Mary
McMillan" ; ; "Laura Ardis"
; ; ;
"fayeann ardis" ; ;
Subject: Tailwind-List: VIRUS
>
> A virus has been passed to me by a contact. My address book was infected.
Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance that you will find
it in your computer too. The virus ( called jdbgmr.exe) is not detected by
Norton nor Mc-afree anti virus systems. The virus sits quiet for 14 days
before damageing your system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by
the address book, whether or onto you sent Emails to your contacts. Here is
how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it. PLEASE DO THIS!
> 1. Go to start, then click your "find or search" option
> 2. In the file folder option type the name...jdbgmgr.exe
> 3. Be sure you search your C drive and all sub-folders and any other
drives that you may have.
> 4. Click "find now"
> 5. The virus has a teddy bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN
IT!!!!!!!!
> 6. Go to edit (on your tool bar) and choose "select all" to highlight the
file without opening it.
> 7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select DELETE. It will then go to
the recycle bin. Then empty your recycle bin! If you find that you have
the virus you must contact all of the people in your address book!! To do
this:
> 1. Open a new email message
> 2. Click the icon of the address book next to the "To"
> 3. Highlight every name and add to BCC
> 4. Copy this message paste to email and send
> Sorry for the inconvenience,
>
> Robert Ardis
>
>
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| From: | "David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net> |
, "Patty Chiles" ,
"Mary McMillan" , ,
"Laura Ardis" , ,
, "fayeann ardis" ,
,
See http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chili" <RBArdis(at)chilitech.com>
; "Patty Chiles" ; "Mary
McMillan" ; ; "Laura Ardis"
; ; ;
"fayeann ardis" ; ;
Subject: Tailwind-List: VIRUS
>
> A virus has been passed to me by a contact. My address book was infected.
Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance that you will find
it in your computer too. The virus ( called jdbgmr.exe) is not detected by
Norton nor Mc-afree anti virus systems. The virus sits quiet for 14 days
before damageing your system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by
the address book, whether or onto you sent Emails to your contacts. Here is
how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it. PLEASE DO THIS!
> 1. Go to start, then click your "find or search" option
> 2. In the file folder option type the name...jdbgmgr.exe
> 3. Be sure you search your C drive and all sub-folders and any other
drives that you may have.
> 4. Click "find now"
> 5. The virus has a teddy bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN
IT!!!!!!!!
> 6. Go to edit (on your tool bar) and choose "select all" to highlight the
file without opening it.
> 7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select DELETE. It will then go to
the recycle bin. Then empty your recycle bin! If you find that you have
the virus you must contact all of the people in your address book!! To do
this:
> 1. Open a new email message
> 2. Click the icon of the address book next to the "To"
> 3. Highlight every name and add to BCC
> 4. Copy this message paste to email and send
> Sorry for the inconvenience,
>
> Robert Ardis
>
>
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