Tailwind-Archive.digest.vol-ba
September 25, 2003 - December 30, 2003
> I've already bought my Tailwind plans over a year ago. I've been picking
up "building Tips" from you guys...but I noticed every one has been at the
yahoo forum. They make you jump through "HOOPS" to get anywhere....Wish I
could have seen the collection of Tailwinds at the 50th aniversary....
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN
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> and build your wings on the way down...
> Gotta Fly...
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| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net> |
Paul Poberezny called yesterday. Said I should call Clay Smith about a
prop for O-O II. Clay is a long time friend of the Pobe's and
Wittman's, matter of fact he assisted in the search for and retrieval of
O-O.
Clay has come to possess a prop off a Mooney 231 w/same engine as O-O
II. It's now in the overhaul shop..........he will sell it to me for the
overhaul charge........wants to see O-O fly again.....ask and ye shall
receive.
My Tailwind is still for sale, you guys help me out with spreading the
word, if you will....I'm gonna need the money to finish up O-O II.
Rick
N241SW
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| From: | Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop for O-O |
Rick, What does your schedule look like? I still want
to come visit and mold your nose bowl.
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How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop for O-O |
Brian: I've been taking somewhat of a breather while the engine is being
done. I spoke with our AP and IA yesterday, and it looks like they can
finish up the cylinders in a few weeks. After that, a friend and I are
going to start assembling the engine. Sometime in the next few weeks I
anticipate getting with Clay Smith to work out something on the prop. We
will need the engine, prop and spinner mounted to work the lines of the
nosebowl. Realistically, it looks like spring before we can get serious
about building it.
BUT, you are welcome to visit anytime!
Also, I want to get a friend to help me figure out how to work my
scanner so I can send you some pics of O-O and get you an idea of the
lines of the cowl.
Rick
Brian Alley wrote:
>
>Rick, What does your schedule look like? I still want
>to come visit and mold your nose bowl.
>
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>BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
>
>How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
What thickness of aluminum do I need to use for the backing plate for the
spinner? Tony says in his books to use .080" , this seems hard to find. Is
.060" thick enough? JohnD
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: backing plate |
Farmer, Are you going to spin your own? If you do, make at least a 3/8"
radius on the flange. I had some spun and the radius was to tight and they
would crack, some in as little as 10 hours and others 200 hours. I now make
them using carbon fiber and they are bullet proof. .080 might be better
than .060 if aluminum. We used generic 1/2 hard when we made ours. Jim C
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From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: backing plate
>
> What thickness of aluminum do I need to use for the backing plate for the
> spinner? Tony says in his books to use .080" , this seems hard to find.
Is
> .060" thick enough? JohnD
>
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| From: | Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: backing plate |
John, I have back plates of carbon fiber ready to ship
in sizes 11 1/2 inches & 12 inches. These plates are
$35 each
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BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| From: | "flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Frasca taildragger flyin |
Just got the flyer on the flyin at C16 on Sat the 11th of Oct, see you there?
i may have an extra seat, Nick in Kalamazoo?
Dennis Flamini N564DF race # 53 Chicago
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| From: | "flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net> |
i was looking at a list of EAA Rockford Tailwinds and came across N1111N built
by the second owner of my TW and the second one Wittman built, N9052C.
i looked them up on Google and both were destroyed in crashes!!
N1111N in 1971 and N9052C in 1993 in San Jose (Weave, do you know more about it?)
NTSB Identification: LAX94LA025. The docket is stored in the (offline) NTSB Imaging
System.
Accident occurred OCT-27-93 at SAN JOSE, CA
Aircraft: WITTMAN TAILWIND W8L, registration: N9052C
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
THE AIRPLANE HAD BEEN IN STORAGE FOR 10 YRS. IN MAY 1993, IT WAS REMOVED FROM STORAGE
AND A CONDITION INSPECTION PERFORMED. THE ACCIDENT FLIGHT WAS THE SECOND
SINCE REMOVAL FROM STORAGE. AFTER THE AIRPLANE WAS SEQUENCED FOR LANDING, THE
LOCAL CONTROLLER HEARD A GARBLED TRANSMISSION FROM THE AIRPLANE CONCERNING THE
ENGINE. NO FURTHER TRANSMISSIONS WERE HEARD. GROUND WITNESSES REPORTED THAT
THE AIRPLANE APPEARED TO BE ATTEMPTING TO LAND ON A RESIDENTIAL CITY STREET WITH
THE PROPELLER STOPPED. IT THEN COLLIDED WITH 3 TREES, A PARKED PICKUP TRUCK,
AND THE STREET. FIRE CONSUMED THE AIRPLANE. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DRAINED ABOUT
10 GALS OF FUEL FROM THE FUSELAGE TANK AFTER THE FIRE WAS EXTINGUISHED. THE
DRAINED FUEL HAD AN ODOR AND COLOR SIMILAR TO AUTOMOTIVE GASOLINE. THE ENGINE
WAS SUBSEQUENTLY INSTALLED ON A TEST STAND AND RUN FOR 4 MIN 40 SECS. MAGNETO
CHECKS WERE SATISFACTORY, AND THE ENGINE RESPONDED WELL TO RAPID THROTTLE MOVEMENTS.
Probable Cause
THE LOSS OF ENGINE POWER FOR AN UNDETERMINED REASON(S). A FACTOR IN THE ACCIDENT
WAS THE UNSUITABLE NATURE OF THE TERRAIN ENCOUNTERED DURING THE FORCED LANDING.
Index for Oct 1993 | Index of Months =1A=1A=1A=1A=1A=1A
Dennis in Chicago
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| From: | "Robert Cutter" <rcutter(at)cupower.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Old Tailwinds |
N1111N (picket fence) is in North Carolina. I have seen it in an ALMOST flying
mode a couple of years ago.
Robert Cutter
----- Original Message -----
From: flamini2
To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com ; TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 10:11 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Old Tailwinds
i was looking at a list of EAA Rockford Tailwinds and came across N1111N built
by the second owner of my TW and the second one Wittman built, N9052C.
i looked them up on Google and both were destroyed in crashes!!
N1111N in 1971 and N9052C in 1993 in San Jose (Weave, do you know more about
it?)
NTSB Identification: LAX94LA025. The docket is stored in the (offline) NTSB Imaging
System.
Accident occurred OCT-27-93 at SAN JOSE, CA
Aircraft: WITTMAN TAILWIND W8L, registration: N9052C
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
THE AIRPLANE HAD BEEN IN STORAGE FOR 10 YRS. IN MAY 1993, IT WAS REMOVED FROM
STORAGE AND A CONDITION INSPECTION PERFORMED. THE ACCIDENT FLIGHT WAS THE SECOND
SINCE REMOVAL FROM STORAGE. AFTER THE AIRPLANE WAS SEQUENCED FOR LANDING,
THE LOCAL CONTROLLER HEARD A GARBLED TRANSMISSION FROM THE AIRPLANE CONCERNING
THE ENGINE. NO FURTHER TRANSMISSIONS WERE HEARD. GROUND WITNESSES REPORTED THAT
THE AIRPLANE APPEARED TO BE ATTEMPTING TO LAND ON A RESIDENTIAL CITY STREET
WITH THE PROPELLER STOPPED. IT THEN COLLIDED WITH 3 TREES, A PARKED PICKUP TRUCK,
AND THE STREET. FIRE CONSUMED THE AIRPLANE. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DRAINED ABOUT
10 GALS OF FUEL FROM THE FUSELAGE TANK AFTER THE FIRE WAS EXTINGUISHED. THE
DRAINED FUEL HAD AN ODOR AND COLOR SIMILAR TO AUTOMOTIVE GASOLINE. THE ENGINE
WAS SUBSEQUENTLY INSTALLED ON A TEST STAND AND RUN FOR 4 MIN 40 SECS. MAGNETO
CHECKS WERE SATISFACTORY, AND THE ENGINE RESPONDED WELL TO RAPID THROTTLE MOVEMENTS.
Probable Cause
THE LOSS OF ENGINE POWER FOR AN UNDETERMINED REASON(S). A FACTOR IN THE ACCIDENT
WAS THE UNSUITABLE NATURE OF THE TERRAIN ENCOUNTERED DURING THE FORCED LANDING.
Index for Oct 1993 | Index of Months 1A1A1A1A1A1A
Dennis in Chicago
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Old Tailwinds |
NTSB Identification: NYC72FGT04
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Sunday, August 01, 1971 in HALIFAX, PA
Aircraft: WHITTMAN W-8, registration: N1111N
------------------------------------------------ FILE DATE
LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT
PILOT DATA F
S M/N
-------------------------------------------------------3-4378 71/8/1
HALIFAX,PA WHITTMAN W-8 CR- 0 0 1 NONCOMMERCIAL
PRIVATE, AGE 28, 250 TIME - 2000 N1111N
PX- 0 0 1 PLEASURE/PERSONAL TRANSP TOTAL HOURS, 15 IN TYPE,
DAMAGE-SUBSTANTIAL OT- 0 0 0 NOT INSTRUMENT
RATED. DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION
FREDERICKSBURG,PA FT.WAYNE,IND TYPE OF ACCIDENT
PHASE OF OPERATION COLLIDED WITH: OBJECT
LANDING: ROLL NOSE OVER/DOWN
LANDING: ROLL PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND -
CONTINUED VFR FLIGHT INTO ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS PILOT IN
COMMAND - SELECTED UNSUITABLE TERRAIN FACTOR(S) WEATHER -
LOW CEILING WEATHER - RAIN WEATHER - THUNDERSTORM
ACTIVITY TERRAIN - OTHER WEATHER BRIEFING - BRIEFED BY
FLIGHT SERVICE PERSONNEL, BY PHONE WEATHER FORECAST - FORECAST
SUBSTANTIALLY CORRECT EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCES - PRECAUTIONARY LANDING
OFF AIRPORT ADVERSE/UNFAVORABLE WEATHER
SKY CONDITION CEILING AT ACCIDENT
SITE UNKNOWN/NOT REPORTED 1700
VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE PRECIPITATION AT
ACCIDENT SITE 3 MILES OR LESS
RAIN SHOWERS, THUNDERSTORM OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE
TYPE OF WEATHER CONDITIONS NONE
VFR TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN NONE REMARKS- CONT INTO KNOWN
MARGINAL WEA. MADE PRECAUTIONARY LDG ON SLOPING PASTURE STRIP. GR HIT
FURROW.
----- Original Message -----
From: "flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Old Tailwinds
>
> i was looking at a list of EAA Rockford Tailwinds and came across N1111N
built by the second owner of my TW and the second one Wittman built, N9052C.
> i looked them up on Google and both were destroyed in crashes!!
> N1111N in 1971 and N9052C in 1993 in San Jose (Weave, do you know more
about it?)
> NTSB Identification: LAX94LA025. The docket is stored in the (offline)
NTSB Imaging System.
>
> Accident occurred OCT-27-93 at SAN JOSE, CA
> Aircraft: WITTMAN TAILWIND W8L, registration: N9052C
> Injuries: 2 Fatal.
> THE AIRPLANE HAD BEEN IN STORAGE FOR 10 YRS. IN MAY 1993, IT WAS REMOVED
FROM STORAGE AND A CONDITION INSPECTION PERFORMED. THE ACCIDENT FLIGHT WAS
THE SECOND SINCE REMOVAL FROM STORAGE. AFTER THE AIRPLANE WAS SEQUENCED FOR
LANDING, THE LOCAL CONTROLLER HEARD A GARBLED TRANSMISSION FROM THE AIRPLANE
CONCERNING THE ENGINE. NO FURTHER TRANSMISSIONS WERE HEARD. GROUND WITNESSES
REPORTED THAT THE AIRPLANE APPEARED TO BE ATTEMPTING TO LAND ON A
RESIDENTIAL CITY STREET WITH THE PROPELLER STOPPED. IT THEN COLLIDED WITH 3
TREES, A PARKED PICKUP TRUCK, AND THE STREET. FIRE CONSUMED THE AIRPLANE.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DRAINED ABOUT 10 GALS OF FUEL FROM THE FUSELAGE TANK
AFTER THE FIRE WAS EXTINGUISHED. THE DRAINED FUEL HAD AN ODOR AND COLOR
SIMILAR TO AUTOMOTIVE GASOLINE. THE ENGINE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY INSTALLED ON A
TEST STAND AND RUN FOR 4 MIN 40 SECS. MAGNETO CHECKS WERE SATISFACTORY, AND
THE ENGINE RESPONDED WELL TO RAPID THROTTLE MOVEMENTS.
> Probable Cause
> THE LOSS OF ENGINE POWER FOR AN UNDETERMINED REASON(S). A FACTOR IN THE
ACCIDENT WAS THE UNSUITABLE NATURE OF THE TERRAIN ENCOUNTERED DURING THE
FORCED LANDING.
>
> Index for Oct 1993 | Index of Months =1A=1A=1A=1A=1A=1A
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> Dennis in Chicago
>
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| Subject: | Re: Old N9052C Tailwind Crash |
| From: | Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
Yeah Dennis..... I remember this one fairly well. The old guy that
owned the airplane had it stored over in Watsonville. He had John
Behreis (not sure how to spell John's last name) helping him get it
back into the air. For some reason, they took off from Watsonville to
fly over to San Jose, where John had his hangar. It's not clear what
they needed but it was obvious John was flying and heading to his
hangar. As they were lining up for about a 6 mile final (straight in)
they lost power. Several witnesses watched as John was going to land it
on a really big street, Santa Teresa Blvd in south San Jose. However,
at the last moment, some kids appeared in a cross walk or something to
that effect and witnesses say he turned immediately and headed for a
different residential street. They almost made it but one wing hit a
tree and knocked them to the ground right in someones front yard. Fire
happened immediately on impact. The old guy that owned the airplane was
dead on impact as I recall. However, John lived for a few hours if
memory serves me correctly. He was burned very very bad. Seems to me,
the FAA took the engine and ran it somewhere and it ran fine. I always
suspected a plugged fuel line, after all, the plane had been in storage
for years. You just don't know what could be lurking in there....
John's fine little Tailwind sat in a hangar in Watsonville for a few
months before I ferried it to a museum in Pawnee City, Nebraska where
it sits today. It was a fine airplane with an 0-200. Can't remember the
n number off the top of my head tonight. Anyway, that airplane was
built by Ed Todd ( I think I have the name right) back in 1956 and it
had about 2200 hours on it. It was one of the first Tailwinds I ever
flew beside back in 1974. I was amazed at how fast that little boxy
airplane was with only a Cont 0-200. The other Tailwind that was with
us that day belonged to Ralph Korngold. Both of those airplanes were
really nice and they were the inspiration for me to get a Tailwind to
fly while I was building my Long Ez. Man, am I glad I bought my first
Tailwind.... It taught me right away what a great little design it
really is... Although I finished my Long Ez airframe, when I had to
sell one or the other, I kept my Tailwind and the rest is history...
Fred
On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 07:11 PM, flamini2 wrote:
>
> i was looking at a list of EAA Rockford Tailwinds and came across
> N1111N built by the second owner of my TW and the second one Wittman
> built, N9052C.
> i looked them up on Google and both were destroyed in crashes!!
> N1111N in 1971 and N9052C in 1993 in San Jose (Weave, do you know more
> about it?)
> NTSB Identification: LAX94LA025. The docket is stored in the (offline)
> NTSB Imaging System.
>
> Accident occurred OCT-27-93 at SAN JOSE, CA
> Aircraft: WITTMAN TAILWIND W8L, registration: N9052C
> Injuries: 2 Fatal.
> THE AIRPLANE HAD BEEN IN STORAGE FOR 10 YRS. IN MAY 1993, IT WAS
> REMOVED FROM STORAGE AND A CONDITION INSPECTION PERFORMED. THE
> ACCIDENT FLIGHT WAS THE SECOND SINCE REMOVAL FROM STORAGE. AFTER THE
> AIRPLANE WAS SEQUENCED FOR LANDING, THE LOCAL CONTROLLER HEARD A
> GARBLED TRANSMISSION FROM THE AIRPLANE CONCERNING THE ENGINE. NO
> FURTHER TRANSMISSIONS WERE HEARD. GROUND WITNESSES REPORTED THAT THE
> AIRPLANE APPEARED TO BE ATTEMPTING TO LAND ON A RESIDENTIAL CITY
> STREET WITH THE PROPELLER STOPPED. IT THEN COLLIDED WITH 3 TREES, A
> PARKED PICKUP TRUCK, AND THE STREET. FIRE CONSUMED THE AIRPLANE. THE
> FIRE DEPARTMENT DRAINED ABOUT 10 GALS OF FUEL FROM THE FUSELAGE TANK
> AFTER THE FIRE WAS EXTINGUISHED. THE DRAINED FUEL HAD AN ODOR AND
> COLOR SIMILAR TO AUTOMOTIVE GASOLINE. THE ENGINE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY
> INSTALLED ON A TEST STAND AND RUN FOR 4 MIN 40 SECS. MAGNETO CHECKS
> WERE SATISFACTORY, AND THE ENGINE RESPONDED WELL TO RAPID THROTTLE
> MOVEMENTS.
> Probable Cause
> THE LOSS OF ENGINE POWER FOR AN UNDETERMINED REASON(S). A FACTOR IN
> THE ACCIDENT WAS THE UNSUITABLE NATURE OF THE TERRAIN ENCOUNTERED
> DURING THE FORCED LANDING.
>
> Index for Oct 1993 | Index of Months =1A=1A=1A=1A=1A=1A
>
> Dennis in Chicago
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| From: | "flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] old tailwinds |
Jim and Weav;
Thanks for the posts. I did not know that John was that industrious. I got even
with John by putting 1000 hrs on his plane too just hope i don't die and leave
it to one of you guys.
Please promise me you won't let my wife sell it to Weav as he would then sell all
his others and terrorize the skies.
N9052C was registered to Charles Wilford nearby in Naperville, IL in 1969, my
TW was there with 180 hp and the next highest was 135hp, must have made quite
a stir in Rockford. Funny thing is that i flew there in a Cougar (N6484D) and
don't remember seeing my TW!!! The other interesting fact is that there were 26
TW's at Rockford in 1969 same as last year at Oshkosh.
Dennis in Chicago N374G changed to N4JB changed to N564DF, The first 2 N #'s are
now on jets but i feel just as fast coming into the Chicago class B from 14,000'
chasing 737's.
----- Original Message -----
From: jrs14855
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:36 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] old tailwinds
Dennis- I missed your comment about who built 11N. John Benjamin, who
was the second owner of your Tailwind was also the second owner of
11N. I had several rides in 11N and one in yours when John owned it.
11N had a hot rodded C90 and was a real performer. It would indicate
165 at low alt with two on board at high cruise power and would top
185-190. John Benjamin sold 11N to the guy who flipped it over. John
put 1000 hours on 11N in five years. He then built a vari eze and a
long eze both of which were trophy winners. He was building a
Glassair III when he passed away. I used to go to Lancaster a lot and
usually found John in the coffee shop where we talked about Tailwinds
etc.
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| From: | "flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Late Wednesday Edition |
Earl;
that was pretty funny, esp Bill Gates in the lower left corner. Sure would
not have put my flying money with them.
Dennis in Chicago
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| From: | "flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: Fw: Late Wednesday Edition |
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| From: | "flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Microsoft guys 1978 |
Sorry it's off topic but funny.
Dennis and Fran
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| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
| Subject: | Re: backing plate |
Brian: The spinner I have is 11-1/4" I.D., Wish you plates was that size.
How much is your spinner? JohnD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Alley" <n320wt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: backing plate
>
> John, I have back plates of carbon fiber ready to ship
> in sizes 11 1/2 inches & 12 inches. These plates are
> $35 each
>
> =====
> BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
>
> How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
>
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| From: | "Tom Cummings" <tomlc(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Front Spinner Plate |
Hello Bryan.
Have you considered making a front mounting plate for use with your spinner
and rear backing plate? I have been looking in some catalogs for something
to use as a front plate for my Madden spinner. But I can't decide on what
appropriate diameter to select. After getting a front plate, I planned to
fashion a spacer to secure it to my hub approximately six inches ahead of
the rear plate.
Thanks
Tom Cummings
tomlc(at)earthlink.net
Sulphur, La.
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| From: | Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Front Spinner Plate |
Tom, It would be diffucult to produce a front bulkhead
to match my spinner for every size prop. With so many
different engines/prop combo's the diameter changes
with the thickness of the hub of each one!
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BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| From: | Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: backing plate |
Sorry what I have doesn't fit your spinner. My spinner
and back plate are $185 + 15 Shipping. I've attached
my price list and a photo.
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BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| From: | USAviator1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: backing plate |
Hey Brian, put me down for a spinner and back plate. Can you send me the
pics you mentioned? Any thought about a cowling?
Thanks,
Steve -in Michigan
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| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
I finally worked up the nerve to add up all the reciepts for the
Tailwind.
Over the past 5 years, I've spent right at $13,000 for the airframe,
including cover and paint. This does not include the engine/prop,
instruments or radios.
Bill
I finally worked up the nerve to add up
all the
reciepts for the Tailwind.
Over the past 5 years, I've spent right
at $13,000
for the airframe, including cover and paint. This does not include the
engine/prop, instruments or radios.
Bill
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| From: | Tom McGehee <valor(at)gbronline.com> |
| Subject: | Nice "Aero" book on e-bay |
Saw this 1919 aviation book on e-bay (first addition). Looks like some really neat pictures and history. Thought I'd pass it on. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41513&item=3558229123
Tom McGehee
Saw this 1919 aviation book on e-bay (first addition).
Looks like some really neat pictures and history. Thought I'd pass it
on. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=41513item=3558229123
Tom McGehee
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| Subject: | Re: Nice "Aero" book on e-bay |
| From: | Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net> |
Invalid item number Tom.......
On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 09:44 AM, Tom McGehee wrote:
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> Saw this 1919 aviation book on e-bay (first addition). Looks like
> some really neat pictures and history. Thought I'd pass it on.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/
> eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41513&item=3558229123
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> Tom McGehee
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> Saw this 1919 aviation book on e-bay (first
> addition).
> Looks like some really neat pictures and history. Thought I'd
> pass it
> on. href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/
> eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=41513item=3558229123">http://
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| From: | Tom McGehee <valor(at)gbronline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nice "Aero" book on e-bay |
I tried the link I gave and was able to access it. This is what I have...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41513&item=3558229123
I guess you could go to books and type in AERO BLUE book 1919. That should
get it.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)flash.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Nice "Aero" book on e-bay
>
> Invalid item number Tom.......
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> > some really neat pictures and history. Thought I'd pass it on.
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| From: | Kenneth Graves <kbgraves(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Fall Flyin at Hickory N.C. |
Going to be South for a while and noticed a Fall Flyin
at Hickory N.C. Oct 18. This coming weekend. Anyone
going?
I assume it's at the Regional Airport.
Ken Graves
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| From: | Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net> |
If any of you guys need to get in touch with me and I don't answer by
e-mail, please call me at 270/369-9179 or 270/723-2753. I'm having
trouble with my computer, even more so than normal.
BUT...I got to go flying today and my Tailwind is working fine!
Rick
N393RC
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| From: | "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net> |
This damn thing should be working now.
Rick
N393RC
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| From: | Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello Rick, Hows the OO II coming. Did you get that
prop yet? Your mail is work it appears!! For now anyway.
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| From: | "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net> |
Brian: Most of what we're doing to O-O right now is in the engine dept.
Hoping to hear from Clay Smith soon on more info about the prop.
Rick
N393RC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Alley" <n320wt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Test
>
> Hello Rick, Hows the OO II coming. Did you get that
> prop yet? Your mail is work it appears!! For now anyway.
>
> =====
> BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
>
> How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
>
>
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| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
| Subject: | fuse holders and switchs |
Jim; Were do you purchase your fuse holders and switches for your
accessories. The Radio Shack cataloge that I have has the holders and the
switchs, but the switchs are rated light for the applications, (dc voltage)
I think. JohnD
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fuse holders and switchs |
Usually get the fuse holders from Wicks. The switches from Farm and Fleet,
almost any good metal body toggle switch will work. Best to use a relay for
the landing light if you have one.
If you connect all the fuses together with a buss bar, don't use a solid
buss as it won't let the springs compress when putting in a fuse.Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: fuse holders and switchs
>
> Jim; Were do you purchase your fuse holders and switches for your
> accessories. The Radio Shack cataloge that I have has the holders and the
> switchs, but the switchs are rated light for the applications, (dc
voltage)
> I think. JohnD
>
>
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| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
Jim; Thanks for the info on the switchs. JohnD
Don't archive.
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| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
| Subject: | airspeed indicator markings |
What are you fellows using for markings on your airspeed indicators.
Looking at Wittmans liturature, he doesn't list the max. flap speed. Steve
lists landing with flaps at 55 and without at 68. Would this be the speeds
to start the white and greens lines? Also where is the proper place for the
green line to end and the yellow line to begin. Steve has the Vne at 195,
but I've seen some W-10's redlined at 200, whats your thoughts on this.
Thankyou for any and all input. JohnD
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: airspeed indicator markings |
John, This is a ballpark figure, others might have some other figures on
this.
White 60-110
Green 65-165
Yellow 165-200
Red 200
These are MPH
The first W10 plans were 200 redline. When Steve had new ones printed they
came up with the 195 redline. Fred likes 240 redline. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: airspeed indicator markings
>
> What are you fellows using for markings on your airspeed indicators.
> Looking at Wittmans liturature, he doesn't list the max. flap speed.
Steve
> lists landing with flaps at 55 and without at 68. Would this be the
speeds
> to start the white and greens lines? Also where is the proper place for
the
> green line to end and the yellow line to begin. Steve has the Vne at
195,
> but I've seen some W-10's redlined at 200, whats your thoughts on this.
> Thankyou for any and all input. JohnD
>
>
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| From: | George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Jabiru in Tailwind |
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: ebay engine
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2439353286&cat
> egory=26437
>
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| From: | "Paul Holmes" <pholmes(at)wmis.net> |
| Subject: | Clements style light |
What postion light do you use and how big is the notch in the tip for the light?
How about the plastic cover?
Paul Holmes pholmes(at)wmis.net
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Clements style light |
Paul' The notch is 4" in length and from the leading edge to the front face
of the spar. You can use about any automotive bulb that will fit in the
space. One that works well is a tubular bulb with a loop sticking out each
end. I forget the number but it is used in some dome lights. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Holmes" <pholmes(at)wmis.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Clements style light
>
> What postion light do you use and how big is the notch in the tip for the
light? How about the plastic cover?
> Paul Holmes pholmes(at)wmis.net
>
>
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Clements style light |
Forgot the plastic lens question, you have to make it from a piece of
colored Plexiglas. Heat it to 315-320 and wrap it around a form, then glue a
end cap on. Nothing to it, in about three days you will have two lens.
Practice on some scrap clear plex first. It's a lot easier to screw some
factory lights on the end. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Holmes" <pholmes(at)wmis.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Clements style light
>
> What postion light do you use and how big is the notch in the tip for the
light? How about the plastic cover?
> Paul Holmes pholmes(at)wmis.net
>
>
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| From: | "David Lamphere" <lamphere(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: ebay engine |
If it matters (which I am not sure it will after any rebuild) this is a
150hp engine.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Fw: ebay engine
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> To: "Jim Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> Subject: ebay engine
>
>
> >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2439353286&cat
> > egory=26437
> >
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!! |
Hi Listers!
A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online
chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty
web-based Chat site here on the Matronics systems. No special programs to
download; all you need is a late model web browser like Internet Explorer
or Netscape with a java plugin. I would recommend downloading the latest
Java plugin if you experience any problems getting the page to come
up. Here's a link to the Sun Java download
website. http://java.com/en/index.jsp Look for the green box with the
yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just
try you browser because it'll probably just work.
Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily be
accessed from the same client. In the Email List URL Trailer at the bottom
of each List message, you'll find the Link to this List's specific Chat
Room. Just click on the Link, and then type in your name or email address
in the User Name box. Try to use a name or email address that the other
Listers know you by. You'll find me lurking around the various List chat
rooms as "MattDralle".
There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main
Chat Window page after you login, you'll see a little icon with a Hammer
and a Screwdriver. This is the Control Panel window. Once the Control
Panel comes up, click on the "Settings" tab. Here you'll find, among other
things, three check boxes to enable sound. Click all three and you'll be
treated to a sound whenever someone enters or leaves the Room, or when
someone sends a message.
The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to
each of the four corners of the button. This will rip the main Chat window
from the web page and allow you to resize and move it anyway you'd like.
Let's have some fun and get to know one another better using this awesome
new Chat Room! To get started, just click the URL Link below for this
List's specific Chat Room!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
PS - I'm working on a web link interface to the chat logfiles. Coming soon...
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show how much traffic
the Lists generated this year alone:
* 11/01/2002 - 10/31/2003
o Web server hits: 10,446,780 (870,565/mo)
o Incoming Email Posts: 58,918 (4,909/mo)
List-related upgrades this year have been plentiful, and List performance
has substantially improved as a result. Upgrades and enhancements this
year have included:
* Internet Connection upgrade to a full, commercial-grade T1 Line!
* New Web Server platform - Dual 3Ghz Xeon with 2Gb Ram and U320 SCSI!
* Upgrade of Email Server platform - Dual 1.7 Ghz Xeon with 1Gb Ram!
* All new SPAM Filtering Appliance - filters about 98% of the unwanted SPAM!
* All new, web-base List Chat Room society!
As you can well imagine, this year's upgrades translate into a fair amount
of cash outlay on my part and this annual List Fund Raiser is the sole
means by which I fund these upgrades. Unlike most of the other "list
servers" on the Web these days, I have a strict
*no-commercial-advertisement policy* on the Matronics Lists and associated
List web sites. I was again approached by a number of vendors recently
with advertising deals that have been very tempting. My commitment to
providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment prevailed,
however! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year, with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks.
My goal with the Matronics List Service is to provide all members
with a commercial-free, virus-free, and high-performance system
with which the may share information, ideas, and camaraderie.
The best news this year is that, with the gracious help of Andy Gold and
The Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I have been able
to significantly expand the lineup of fantastic Gift offers to support the
List Fund Raiser! In all, there are eight awesome free gifts this year
ranging from List Archive CD's to Flight Computers with qualifying
Contribution levels. Those great Jeppesen Flight Bags that were so popular
last year are even back! A special thanks goes out to Andy Gold again this
year for his very kind and generous support of the Lists. Thanks Andy, for
these great incentives!!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR thoughtful and generous support!
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with
a personal check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as information
on the various methods of payment. Contributions in the $20, $30, $50,
$75, and $100 range are common. The Contribution web page is kind of long
this year with the details of each of the gifts, so please scroll all the
way down!
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
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I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this year! Your
Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!!
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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | "flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net> |
Check this out, retractable gear but how does he see?
http://www.speed101.com/gallery/cuttingedgeII_june22.htm
Dennis in Chicago
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts? |
Dear Listers,
The List Fund Raiser is going well so far this year and I wanted to say
"Thank You" to everyone that has made a Contribution already this year!
Though the generous support of Andy Gold and the Builders Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I'm able to offer some truly awesome gifts
with qualifying Contributions this year. There's quite a line up and a
rather diverse set of options - certainly something for every taste and
personality. Here's a list of this year's fine options:
* List Archive CD
* Aircraft Builder's Log
* Pilot Flashlight System
* Pro Pilot Logbook
* FAR/AIM on CD
* Jeppesen Flight Bag
* Aviation History Book
* Techstar Flight Computer
Please support your Email List Community AND pick up a really slick Gift at
the same time! The SSL Secure Contribution web site can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Once again, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously supported
the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists Services here on the
Matronics servers!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Fred Weaver <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
Richard, where are you? I sent you some email and it bounced. Do you
have a new address?
Thanks,
Weav
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Below are some of the nice things people have been saying about the Lists
in that little message box on the Contribution form! Thank you to everyone
that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great
feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!!
If you haven't yet shown your support for these Lists, won't you take a
moment and make your Contribution today? The Matronics Lists are always
Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, and High-performance and its your
direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that enables all of these
valuable services you've come to expect.
Thank you for your Contribution!!
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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
Jim; In Tony Bengelis book he says to test the fuel tank with 2 lbs. of
air pressure and soap suds. Is this about right? seems like it could be a
lot strain on the tank. JohnD
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel tank test |
Two pounds will stretch it out pretty good. I turn the air regulater down
all the way, then with a open hose, turn the regulater in so a small amount
of air is coming out. Then hold your finger over the end of the hose so you
can feel the pressure. Some regulaters will not show pressure untill you
have more than 2 pounds. To much to fast could split the seams. Steve said
he would put enough in to round out all the ripples and buckles. Two pounds
might be about right. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel tank test
>
> Jim; In Tony Bengelis book he says to test the fuel tank with 2 lbs. of
> air pressure and soap suds. Is this about right? seems like it could be a
> lot strain on the tank. JohnD
>
>
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| From: | "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fuel tank test |
Jim; Thanks for the info,run the test today and had one small leak to fix.
Had to weld in two anchors for eyebolts in cargo area, didn't want to wear
the two foldup bikes we carry in the Colt. Things are going together now.
JohnD Don't archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel tank test
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Two pounds will stretch it out pretty good. I turn the air regulater down
> all the way, then with a open hose, turn the regulater in so a small
amount
> of air is coming out. Then hold your finger over the end of the hose so
you
> can feel the pressure. Some regulaters will not show pressure untill you
> have more than 2 pounds. To much to fast could split the seams. Steve said
> he would put enough in to round out all the ripples and buckles. Two
pounds
> might be about right. Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
> To: "tailwind"
> Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel tank test
>
>
> >
> > Jim; In Tony Bengelis book he says to test the fuel tank with 2 lbs.
of
> > air pressure and soap suds. Is this about right? seems like it could be
a
> > lot strain on the tank. JohnD
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
Dear Listers,
I was thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and
also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here
provide a far better experience than the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use is
outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of
messages on line for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who where
also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related
Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 10,000,000 hits
each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over
90,000,000 (yes, that 90 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each
year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be
here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free,
that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and
receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
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The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com> |
What are Tailwinders doing for safety belts? The Hooker harness has a majority
of the market. Their 2 inch Commercial set is over $100.
Is anyone using other sets such as a 3 inch 5 point racing harness at Summit Racing
for $59?
Eric - in Kalamazoo
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| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Safety belts |
Eric, it probably depends on what they can get past the FAA. I believe that
seat belts are supposed to show a TSO tag for aircraft use, even in
homebuilts. (This should start a discussion!) The automotive harness is
likely to be stronger than one for an aircraft, since the car's structure is
typically stronger.
If you think you can get it approved, I say go for it.
Bill
N40WB
Working on my [engine] baffleing problem
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Safety belts
>
>
> What are Tailwinders doing for safety belts? The Hooker harness has a
majority of the market. Their 2 inch Commercial set is over $100.
>
> Is anyone using other sets such as a 3 inch 5 point racing harness at
Summit Racing for $59?
>
> Eric - in Kalamazoo
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Safety belts |
Eric, One crown and you can pay for nice belts from Hooker or Wick's and
have enough left over for Comanche Belts. Don't use the race car belts,
they are to big, bulky and the metal hardware is heavy. They also are hard
to adjust. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Safety belts
>
>
> What are Tailwinders doing for safety belts? The Hooker harness has a
majority of the market. Their 2 inch Commercial set is over $100.
>
> Is anyone using other sets such as a 3 inch 5 point racing harness at
Summit Racing for $59?
>
> Eric - in Kalamazoo
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| From: | Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com> |
Q: When viewed from the rear, is the rear vertical edge of the door straight or
is it convex?
Note: I attached an aft door jamb of .025 steel sheet to the fuselage like RJ explains
in the Tailwind Times. It extends out from the fuselage 3/4 inch at the
center of the aft edge of the Clement door opening and tapers in at the top
and bottom to meet the fuselage. Now I want to make the door to match the jamb
of course. But in looking at pictures the aft edge of the doors looks straight
up-and-down when viewed from the rear. This must be clear as mud.
Eric - making doors in Kalamazoo
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
Make the outside of the door to match the outside of the jam, the door is
convex as is the rear door post if faired out. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Doors
>
>
> Q: When viewed from the rear, is the rear vertical edge of the door
straight or is it convex?
>
> Note: I attached an aft door jamb of .025 steel sheet to the fuselage like
RJ explains in the Tailwind Times. It extends out from the fuselage 3/4 inch
at the center of the aft edge of the Clement door opening and tapers in at
the top and bottom to meet the fuselage. Now I want to make the door to
match the jamb of course. But in looking at pictures the aft edge of the
doors looks straight up-and-down when viewed from the rear. This must be
clear as mud.
>
> Eric - making doors in Kalamazoo
>
>
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| From: | Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Safety belts |
Was looking for some cheap belts as I had to pay off some body shop guy. Thanks
for the tip.
It will be the Hookers anyway. Not the place to save money. Eric S
Jim and Donna Clement <168x(at)merr.com> wrote:
Eric, One crown and you can pay for nice belts from Hooker or Wick's and
have enough left over for Comanche Belts. Don't use the race car belts,
they are to big, bulky and the metal hardware is heavy. They also are hard
to adjust. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser"
Subject: Tailwind-List: Safety belts
>
>
> What are Tailwinders doing for safety belts? The Hooker harness has a
majority of the market. Their 2 inch Commercial set is over $100.
>
> Is anyone using other sets such as a 3 inch 5 point racing harness at
Summit Racing for $59?
>
> Eric - in Kalamazoo
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Safety belts |
Hooker makes a good belt, at one time he gave us TW guys a discount, ask
him. If you didn't drive those big buck yuppy imports it wouldn't cost so
much to fix. A overworked body man has to work 37 hours to pay for one
crown that takes the dentist less than one hour to grind and bondo in. True,
I read it in a auto body trade magazine. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Safety belts
>
> Was looking for some cheap belts as I had to pay off some body shop guy.
Thanks for the tip.
> It will be the Hookers anyway. Not the place to save money. Eric S
>
> Jim and Donna Clement <168x(at)merr.com> wrote:
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Eric, One crown and you can pay for nice belts from Hooker or Wick's and
> have enough left over for Comanche Belts. Don't use the race car belts,
> they are to big, bulky and the metal hardware is heavy. They also are hard
> to adjust. Jim C
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Schlanser"
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Safety belts
>
>
> >
> >
> > What are Tailwinders doing for safety belts? The Hooker harness has a
> majority of the market. Their 2 inch Commercial set is over $100.
> >
> > Is anyone using other sets such as a 3 inch 5 point racing harness at
> Summit Racing for $59?
> >
> > Eric - in Kalamazoo
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Safety belts |
When I complained to the body man that I am a dentist and can't charge like that
he said neither could he when he was a dentist.
I'll ask Hooker for the TW discount. Thanks.
Eric
Jim and Donna Clement <168x(at)merr.com> wrote:
Hooker makes a good belt, at one time he gave us TW guys a discount, ask
him. If you didn't drive those big buck yuppy imports it wouldn't cost so
much to fix. A overworked body man has to work 37 hours to pay for one
crown that takes the dentist less than one hour to grind and bondo in. True,
I read it in a auto body trade magazine. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser"
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Safety belts
>
> Was looking for some cheap belts as I had to pay off some body shop guy.
Thanks for the tip.
> It will be the Hookers anyway. Not the place to save money. Eric S
>
> Jim and Donna Clement <168x(at)merr.com> wrote:
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Eric, One crown and you can pay for nice belts from Hooker or Wick's and
> have enough left over for Comanche Belts. Don't use the race car belts,
> they are to big, bulky and the metal hardware is heavy. They also are hard
> to adjust. Jim C
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Schlanser"
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Safety belts
>
>
> >
> >
> > What are Tailwinders doing for safety belts? The Hooker harness has a
> majority of the market. Their 2 inch Commercial set is over $100.
> >
> > Is anyone using other sets such as a 3 inch 5 point racing harness at
> Summit Racing for $59?
> >
> > Eric - in Kalamazoo
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net> |
"Tailwind Discussion"
My Tailwind's new owner is Mr. Jim Irby of Killeen Texas, he bought 3RC sight unseen,
except for pictures. He arrived today, we got the paperwork done and the
check handed over and took a couple of orientation rides. Jim has an RV-6 which
he flies, and which is for sale, incidentally.
Jim is a WWII veteran. He flew P-38s in combat. Another P-38 pancaked on top of
him during combat, knocking out one engine. He flew it back. The other guy was
killed.
Jim is a hero, period.
I felt like I should have given him the damn airplane.
Rick
N241SW
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| From: | "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net> |
Fred: The last batch of pics were those for the SAA magazine "To Fly". They were
35mm rather than digital, 'cause that's what they needed, and the day we took
those was one of those well known clusters, and I forgot to get digital pics
too. Soon we should have some jpegs of the firewall and aux tank mount to send
to the group.
Thanks:
Rick
N241SW
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Red wrote:
So far all of the mufflers I'm making have square or rectangular outlets.
They range from 1.7 to 2.6lbs with attaching hardware. I do not think that any
add back pressure--none has changed the staic rpm. Red
Red,
If square, or rectangular, is quieter than round, them maybe a flaired out
star shape outlet, the shape of a torx head, might be quieter than square or
rectangular.
Chuck G.
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| From: | "Paul Holmes" <pholmes(at)wmis.net> |
Has anyone tried the Swiss muffler from Tony Bingelis' Firewall Forward?
Paul pholmes(at)wmis.net
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: noise reduction |
Putting mufflers on TWs is a waste of time. It will create more problems
than it is worth. The added weight on the rest of the system will most
likely cause cracks plus add to the overall weight of the airplane. You will
get the same results by exiting the exhaust from the cowl at 30-45 degrees
and putting insulation in the floor. Also using 1/4" luan plywood for the
floor helps. Most of the noise in a TW is wind noise from the root rib area
and windshield. I have been using 3/16" plex for windshields lately and it
might help some but am during it mostly for bird strikes. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Holmes" <pholmes(at)wmis.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: noise reduction
>
> Has anyone tried the Swiss muffler from Tony Bingelis' Firewall Forward?
> Paul pholmes(at)wmis.net
>
>
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| From: | George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: noise reduction |
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| From: | "Paul Holmes" <pholmes(at)wmis.net> |
Jim & Donna Clement and Wally Critchlow,
Thanks for the voices of experience. NO MUFFLERS!
Paul Holmes, Horton, Michigan
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| From: | CarRxW10(at)aol.com |
OK Guys, You have a "Hot Rod" airplane. Dragsters don't have mufflers. Go
with Jims Idea, a real good head set. Less Drag on the plane and virtually no
added weight. Above all......NO HARD LABOROUS WORK. Don't know anyone down here
that flies without a headset anyway.
Alex
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| From: | "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net> |
I flew my W10 with David Clark 13.4s with gel ear cups and found this to be
totally satisfactory. Mr. Irby, who bought my Tailwind, brought ANR headsets
with him, and we found it difficult to adjust the squelch on the Sigtronics
intercom to keep engine noise from blaring in the side tone.
Simple is better, AGAIN.
Rick
N241SW
----- Original Message -----
From: <CarRxW10(at)aol.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Noise
>
> OK Guys, You have a "Hot Rod" airplane. Dragsters don't have mufflers. Go
> with Jims Idea, a real good head set. Less Drag on the plane and virtually
no
> added weight. Above all......NO HARD LABOROUS WORK. Don't know anyone down
here
> that flies without a headset anyway.
> Alex
>
>
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| From: | "Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com> |
hi Rick i had the same trouble with my headset too. the new david clark
took care of the noise from the intercom breaking in all of the time. Bob
Danner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Noise
>
> I flew my W10 with David Clark 13.4s with gel ear cups and found this to
be
> totally satisfactory. Mr. Irby, who bought my Tailwind, brought ANR
headsets
> with him, and we found it difficult to adjust the squelch on the
Sigtronics
> intercom to keep engine noise from blaring in the side tone.
> Simple is better, AGAIN.
> Rick
> N241SW
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CarRxW10(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Noise
>
>
> >
> > OK Guys, You have a "Hot Rod" airplane. Dragsters don't have mufflers.
Go
> > with Jims Idea, a real good head set. Less Drag on the plane and
virtually
> no
> > added weight. Above all......NO HARD LABOROUS WORK. Don't know anyone
down
> here
> > that flies without a headset anyway.
> > Alex
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
How is a good way to go about getting a reasonable amount of heat into the cabin,
short of moving to Arizona for the winter?
Thanks
Bill
N40WB
Still workin' on the baffle-in'
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
Bill, this is a real simple heater and it works at 25 below zero. Wrap a
piece of aluminum or light SS around your exhaust pipe or pipes so the down
wind end is somewhat tight and the front is open about 1" around the pipes.
This will look like a funnel, A hose clamp riveted to the small end will
seal up that end. Put a 2" outlet near the rear and feed it into the
firewall heater box. I run both left and right pipes on the passenger side
and can put the heater over both and this will melt the soles off your
tennis shoes. If you make a fully enclosed heat muff like most airplanes,the
pipes get so hot inside they crack and get very brittle. Some will argue
about using cowl air instead of fresh air but in my opinion this is safer
than using a heat muff that is enclosed with a undetected crack.
This idea came from Steve Wittman and like the rest of the TW, it works. It
is also easily removed for the summer. Don't try to seal the small end
tight, let some air leak thru. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
>
> How is a good way to go about getting a reasonable amount of heat into the
cabin, short of moving to Arizona for the winter?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
> N40WB
> Still workin' on the baffle-in'
>
>
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| From: | Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com> |
Jim, Would love to see a picture of your cabin heat system!!
=====
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How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
Bill.... All it takes is a small heat muff and a cabin heat valve. Use two
inch hose(the black stuff that looks like SCAT) and you will have plenty of
warm air to deal with.
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
>
> How is a good way to go about getting a reasonable amount of heat into the
cabin, short of moving to Arizona for the winter?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
> N40WB
> Still workin' on the baffle-in'
>
>
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cowl Air for heat |
I can testify to Jim's comment about NOT using "cowl air" for heat. I
haven't experienced any carbon monoxide/dioxide(yet) BUT I don't get any
fricken heat either. My cylinder temps are above 375 but below 400 degrees
and you would think there would be plenty of warm air to steal but NO. Ted
and I took the muff off when we arrived at Baraboo this summer as we really
didn't need any heat but now it's a neccesity. I will put the muff back on
later this week. BTW, the Tailwind will stay very comfortable even in very
very cold air. It can be zero degrees outside and using Jims muff gizmo will
keep you nice and toasty. Also on this subject of heat, Jerome made some
cool little defroster slots in 49T and they only used come cowl air. They
worked real good and you might want to consider that also.
HEY RICK!! What did you use? You never complained about being cold.... You
must have had a nice setup to go with that rudder trim...
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Bill, this is a real simple heater and it works at 25 below zero. Wrap a
> piece of aluminum or light SS around your exhaust pipe or pipes so the
down
> wind end is somewhat tight and the front is open about 1" around the
pipes.
> This will look like a funnel, A hose clamp riveted to the small end will
> seal up that end. Put a 2" outlet near the rear and feed it into the
> firewall heater box. I run both left and right pipes on the passenger side
> and can put the heater over both and this will melt the soles off your
> tennis shoes. If you make a fully enclosed heat muff like most
airplanes,the
> pipes get so hot inside they crack and get very brittle. Some will argue
> about using cowl air instead of fresh air but in my opinion this is safer
> than using a heat muff that is enclosed with a undetected crack.
> This idea came from Steve Wittman and like the rest of the TW, it works.
It
> is also easily removed for the summer. Don't try to seal the small end
> tight, let some air leak thru. Jim C
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To: ;
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
>
>
>
> >
> > How is a good way to go about getting a reasonable amount of heat into
the
> cabin, short of moving to Arizona for the winter?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bill
> > N40WB
> > Still workin' on the baffle-in'
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cowl Air for heat |
Fred: 393RC had a large conventional heat muff made sort of like the
Taylorcraft. Flanged rings were welded to the LH exhaust, the muff was a
flat wrap, and long as I could make it, with inlet and outlet welded on,
easily removed for inspection. Light jacket and gloves were comfortable even
in the coldest weather, and sometimes the piddies got a little too warm.
Would have been more effective if I had sealed the cockpit up a little
better, around door handles and flap torque tubes, for instance.
Rick
N241SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Cowl Air for heat
>
> I can testify to Jim's comment about NOT using "cowl air" for heat. I
> haven't experienced any carbon monoxide/dioxide(yet) BUT I don't get any
> fricken heat either. My cylinder temps are above 375 but below 400 degrees
> and you would think there would be plenty of warm air to steal but NO. Ted
> and I took the muff off when we arrived at Baraboo this summer as we
really
> didn't need any heat but now it's a neccesity. I will put the muff back on
> later this week. BTW, the Tailwind will stay very comfortable even in very
> very cold air. It can be zero degrees outside and using Jims muff gizmo
will
> keep you nice and toasty. Also on this subject of heat, Jerome made some
> cool little defroster slots in 49T and they only used come cowl air. They
> worked real good and you might want to consider that also.
>
> HEY RICK!! What did you use? You never complained about being cold....
You
> must have had a nice setup to go with that rudder trim...
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
>
>
> <168x(at)merr.com>
> >
> > Bill, this is a real simple heater and it works at 25 below zero. Wrap a
> > piece of aluminum or light SS around your exhaust pipe or pipes so the
> down
> > wind end is somewhat tight and the front is open about 1" around the
> pipes.
> > This will look like a funnel, A hose clamp riveted to the small end will
> > seal up that end. Put a 2" outlet near the rear and feed it into the
> > firewall heater box. I run both left and right pipes on the passenger
side
> > and can put the heater over both and this will melt the soles off your
> > tennis shoes. If you make a fully enclosed heat muff like most
> airplanes,the
> > pipes get so hot inside they crack and get very brittle. Some will argue
> > about using cowl air instead of fresh air but in my opinion this is
safer
> > than using a heat muff that is enclosed with a undetected crack.
> > This idea came from Steve Wittman and like the rest of the TW, it works.
> It
> > is also easily removed for the summer. Don't try to seal the small end
> > tight, let some air leak thru. Jim C
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> > To: ;
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > How is a good way to go about getting a reasonable amount of heat into
> the
> > cabin, short of moving to Arizona for the winter?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > N40WB
> > > Still workin' on the baffle-in'
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
Brian, I will have to figure out how to post a picture first, maybe Fred
could. He has the same muff and firewall heat valve. The heat valve is a
good one also. It is a slider instead of a flapper and doesn't leak. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Alley" <n320wt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
>
> Jim, Would love to see a picture of your cabin heat system!!
>
> =====
> BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
>
> How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
>
>
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| From: | Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com> |
OK Jim, thanks. Fred, when you reinstall the cabin
heat in your W-10, please take a couple of digital
photos and post them. Thanks
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| From: | "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Thanks Jim! What holds the muff in place around the exhaust pipe? The clamp?
I'm also intrigued by your comment about the cabin heat box. Can you provide
a description of it as well? I'd also like to see some photos if and when
they happen.
The winters in Illinois are not as severe as Wisconsin, but it still gets a
bit on the cool side.
Thanks to all for the ideas.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Bill, this is a real simple heater and it works at 25 below zero. Wrap a
> piece of aluminum or light SS around your exhaust pipe or pipes so the
down
> wind end is somewhat tight and the front is open about 1" around the
pipes.
> This will look like a funnel, A hose clamp riveted to the small end will
> seal up that end. Put a 2" outlet near the rear and feed it into the
> firewall heater box. I run both left and right pipes on the passenger side
> and can put the heater over both and this will melt the soles off your
> tennis shoes. If you make a fully enclosed heat muff like most
airplanes,the
> pipes get so hot inside they crack and get very brittle. Some will argue
> about using cowl air instead of fresh air but in my opinion this is safer
> than using a heat muff that is enclosed with a undetected crack.
> This idea came from Steve Wittman and like the rest of the TW, it works.
It
> is also easily removed for the summer. Don't try to seal the small end
> tight, let some air leak thru. Jim C
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To: ;
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
>
>
>
> >
> > How is a good way to go about getting a reasonable amount of heat into
the
> cabin, short of moving to Arizona for the winter?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bill
> > N40WB
> > Still workin' on the baffle-in'
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
The hose clamp that is riveted to the small end. The funnel opens up to put
over the exhaust pipe and a few screws to close up. Mine takes in two pipes
as they both exit the same side and this fastens on as near the firewall as
you can.
The heat bos is 3" wide, 6" long and 1" deep. and closed at one end. It has
a 3/4" flange bent out on each side of the 6" base. 2" inlet on the front
and back, straight thru when the slider is pulled open. The slider has the
the end bent up to close the box when it is pulled past the 2" inlet.
I will have to read the instructions on my camera so I can post pictures, it
is hard to describe how this thing works. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
>
> Thanks Jim! What holds the muff in place around the exhaust pipe? The
clamp?
> I'm also intrigued by your comment about the cabin heat box. Can you
provide
> a description of it as well? I'd also like to see some photos if and when
> they happen.
>
> The winters in Illinois are not as severe as Wisconsin, but it still gets
a
> bit on the cool side.
>
> Thanks to all for the ideas.
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
>
>
> <168x(at)merr.com>
> >
> > Bill, this is a real simple heater and it works at 25 below zero. Wrap a
> > piece of aluminum or light SS around your exhaust pipe or pipes so the
> down
> > wind end is somewhat tight and the front is open about 1" around the
> pipes.
> > This will look like a funnel, A hose clamp riveted to the small end will
> > seal up that end. Put a 2" outlet near the rear and feed it into the
> > firewall heater box. I run both left and right pipes on the passenger
side
> > and can put the heater over both and this will melt the soles off your
> > tennis shoes. If you make a fully enclosed heat muff like most
> airplanes,the
> > pipes get so hot inside they crack and get very brittle. Some will argue
> > about using cowl air instead of fresh air but in my opinion this is
safer
> > than using a heat muff that is enclosed with a undetected crack.
> > This idea came from Steve Wittman and like the rest of the TW, it works.
> It
> > is also easily removed for the summer. Don't try to seal the small end
> > tight, let some air leak thru. Jim C
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> > To: ;
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > How is a good way to go about getting a reasonable amount of heat into
> the
> > cabin, short of moving to Arizona for the winter?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > N40WB
> > > Still workin' on the baffle-in'
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Fred Weaver <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
good idea Jim... I just happen to have it on the shelf today and can
easily take some pictures. I'll try to have em on the list by tomorrow.
The valve itself won't have a picture until I take the cowl off on
Sunday..
I will try to locate some other pics in the meantime in my system.
Maybe I already have the details...
Weav
On Thursday, November 27, 2003, at 03:19 PM, Jim and Donna Clement
wrote:
> <168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Brian, I will have to figure out how to post a picture first, maybe
> Fred
> could. He has the same muff and firewall heat valve. The heat valve is
> a
> good one also. It is a slider instead of a flapper and doesn't leak.
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Alley" <n320wt(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
>
>
>>
>> Jim, Would love to see a picture of your cabin heat system!!
>>
>> =====
>> BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
>>
>> How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
>>
>>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Are Saying III |
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| From: | "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net> |
"Tailwind Discussion"
Forwarded here is Mr. Jim Irby's e-mail telling me he is going to sell 3RC.
I personally will neither second guess him nor further question his reasons.
As far as I'm concerned, he has earned the right to buy and sell airplanes
as often as he wants.
Rick
N241SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim & Louise Irby" <jlirby(at)webtv.net>
Subject: W-10
> dear rick & cindy
> time to bite the bullet and admit that i
> made a mistake. after long and serious
> consideration, i have decided i must sell
> your sweetheart. many factors are involved. it is hard but i have to get
> on with it.
> if you can help find a good home it, i would certainly appreciate
> it.
> so sorry to disappoint you both.
> thanks,
> jim
> ps: what is the switch on right end of
> panel labled INT?
>
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Rick's W10 for sale |
FWIW, when Jim bought Rick's airplane, he had intended to replace his RV6 with
the Tailwind. The only problem Jim had with Rick's airplane was finding hangar
space for it when he got back to Killeen. Jim still has his RV6 and afterall,
wants to keep it. The Tailwind is a little noisier than the 6 and he didn't want
to load it down with sound dampening materials. Bottom Line? The plane is
fine and is a real nice Tailwind AND it's up for sale. It's currently tied down
outside BUT in a covered space. That space is borrowed and soon the owner will
be putting his airplane back onto that space and the the Tailwind will have
to share space in a huge FBO hangar. Time for someone that would like a nice
Tailwind to "GIT on down to Texas" and buy it. Price appears to be $38K and it's
got a great GPS/COM along with the other nice things Rick built into it.
The ad is in Barnstormers.com
Weav
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Hi, does anyone have plans for a primary glider from the 50's or 60's ?
Thanks,
Howdy
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| From: | Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: primary glider |
Check with the EAA. Paul Poberezny had one.
Hi, does anyone have plans for a primary glider from the 50's or 60's ?
Thanks,
Howdy
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| From: | Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re:Contributors to the list?? |
Fred, Thanks for the reminder, my computor had been in
the shop for a power supply. I lost some data, but
nothing business related thanks to CDRW backup disc. I
just made my contribution and got the CDrom archive as
a free gift. The CD is worth what I contributed.
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re:Contributors to the list?? |
Thanx Brian..... I'm sure Matt will appreciate it... Remember, his thing
with this list stuff is a LABOR OF LOVE... It's not a huge financial
windfall so he can cruise around in all of his 'vettes'.... hahahhaha....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Alley" <n320wt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re:Contributors to the list??
>
> Fred, Thanks for the reminder, my computor had been in
> the shop for a power supply. I lost some data, but
> nothing business related thanks to CDRW backup disc. I
> just made my contribution and got the CDrom archive as
> a free gift. The CD is worth what I contributed.
>
> =====
> BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
>
> How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
>
>
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: SUPER POST JIM |
Jim!!!
This is just good...... Like SLAMMING the nails into the coffin. Our engines
(when they are "Screaming") are still only turning 2800 or so...ok, maybe 3,000
rpm and I doubt the exhaust note could tell the difference between one
style or the other.
Thanks for bringing it all together in one nice paragraph....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim and Donna Clement
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] rectangular exhaust tubing
Guy, all this exhaust talk is nothing but BS. Take the time, about a month or
more to build such a thing, and use it to do something constructive. I've made
round, oval, tapered and some with holes in the outlet. They all worked the
same as far as I could tell. All of these were on the outlet end, the idea of
using square for the complete system is out of the question as far as the availability
of the mandrel bends and cost. Have you ever seen a nice bend in a piece
of square the wasn't choked down on the inside and outside radius? We aren't
running race engines at 9000 rpm where the exhaust exit gets critical, just
a small CI engine at 2800 RPM. If using a Lycoming, use a crossover system or
4 separate pipes, on a 4 cylinder Cont you can run each side out the same pipe.
Read Kent Poser's book on how to go fast, note his part on exhaust. There is
all kinds of things to do with the outlets, but it also is a big tradeoff. Some
work at altitude, others at sea level. He did pick up a lot of speed from
where he started but remember one thing, a clean TW out of the box is 25 MPH faster
than his Mustang II when he started. You can get more performance gain with
a good set of engine baffles and a little effort than screwing with a almost
impossible exhaust system. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: IslPilot(at)aol.com
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] rectangular exhaust tubing
Dave, I was thinking about incorporating the "step header" concept on my exhaust,
worth a try in mild steel, worked on cars.
Paul
N557CL
Charlevoix, MI
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
Worked Great George....
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Subject: Tailwind-List: Test
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| From: | George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com> |
Fred, thanks, my Yahoo email is taking up to a day to travel. I have a good one
on the way. Look for it. George....Phoenix......78 degrees..no snow, earthquakes,
mudslides, fires, rain....just super flying weather all the time, until
summer.
"Fred Weaver"
Worked Great George....
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey George! All your stuff sounds just like Caleeforneeia......except our
temps are a little lower. Haven't felt an earthquake in years. Always
thought they were a good time. Wishin' it would rain some more, no mudslides
and I guess since the fires in SOUTHERN California went away, we haven't
even had a good weenie roast.
BTW, I have noticed the same delay in getting mail to the forum... Frankly,
it's pissing me off...........
Yeeeeehaaaaaa,
Weav
Flying lots too..... I expect to see lots of hours on your tach when I
visit.....
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Turner" <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Test
>
> Fred, thanks, my Yahoo email is taking up to a day to travel. I have a
good one on the way. Look for it. George....Phoenix......78 degrees..no
snow, earthquakes, mudslides, fires, rain....just super flying weather all
the time, until summer.
>
> Fred Weaver wrote:--> Tailwind-List message
posted by: "Fred Weaver"
>
> Worked Great George....
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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| From: | "Hjelle" <hjelle(at)dotnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: SUPER POST JIM |
Back in the 30's, Wittman switched engines on the "Chief". The
original engine was an American Cirrus of about 100HP. He replaced it
with a Cirrus Hermes of 115HP. The Hermes engine ended up in my dad's
barn for years and before it was put on display at EAA I had the task of
cleaning it up. The engine has a long RECTANGULAR intake manifold and I
asked Steve why. He told me that he originally had built a round
manifold but when he ran the engine it wouldn't it wouldn't pull as much
rpm as with the smaller engine. He hastily built the rectangular one
you can see today and it worked. My opinion is that the round intake
made the air flow too straight causing the fuel to drop out of
atomization. Note the shape of virtually any automotive intake port, it
is rectangular. Using the same logic on exhaust manifold, leads me to
believe round pipes will exit the gases the easiest. Changing the shape
of the outlet will change the back pressure and the tone. The trick is
to reduce the db without reducing the hp.
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Larry!!! This truly is Good News! Where in the hell is Rockwall? Somewhere
between Arizona and DFW?
God, this is great, we don't have to go all the way to Baraboo to enjoy some of
their great food....but it's a great excuse to go to Baraboo for sure!
Humble Weav....
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 5:56 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] Culvers
Hi Jim,
You would be proud, we now have a Culvers in my town, Rockwall Tx. My wife insisted
that I go and try a cone of custard tonight. At least if you ever take
the long way across Texas you can be at home in Culvers here in the good ole lone
star state !
Oh yea the rest of you keep working on the Tailwinds.
Larry H.
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I guess I shoulda read this one first... Have a better idea of where Rockwall
is now...
Nav Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: flamini2
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Culvers
Larry,
i flew over your house 23 times so far this year on my way from Chicago to DFW!!!
Maybe we can meet?
Dennis in Chicago, Dallas next week.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 7:56 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] Culvers
Hi Jim,
You would be proud, we now have a Culvers in my town, Rockwall Tx. My wife
insisted that I go and try a cone of custard tonight. At least if you ever take
the long way across Texas you can be at home in Culvers here in the good ole
lone star state !
Oh yea the rest of you keep working on the Tailwinds.
Larry H.
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
hahahahaha...... Atta way Bob! Geez, I really had to struggle to get to see/view
those pictures so I know what you went thru. hey Rich, can you hear us??
It would have been way too fricken easy to put/post them to an email..
I have gotta figure out a cool way to say "Crazy Connor" as "Crazier Connor" just
doesn't work. hahahhaha...
Bob, you are way up there in my book. Love the Karts and I'm especially respectfull
of the way you attacked the cowl project. We need to hook up and blast around.
I may just have to fly down to Texas so we can go to Culvers too...
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Conner
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Jim C seat photos
Fred I thought I was the only one having trouble veiwing the pics. I sign in
and it still won't let me see the photos. It drives me crazy. Wait I'm already
crazy. It drives me crazier...........Bob
>From: "Fred Weaver"
>Reply-To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Jim C seat photos
>Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:16:17 -0800
>
>Rich.... Sure was a pain in the ass to get to the pics but I made it.. As
>usual, Yahoo revised something and it would not acknowledge that I was part
>of the "group"... So, it would not let me access the photo portion of the
>site. Ok....I had to go clicking around to find out which "groups" I was
>subscribed to.. Wouldn't you know it, I wasn't in the Tailwind group(again).
>So a few clicks later it says I actually am a part of the Tailwind forum and
>then it allowed me to open the fricken pictures. I'm seriously getting fed
>up with the Yahooo way of doing things.
>The seats?? They look typical Jim... Nice and light as well as comfortable.
>They also appear to be the slider type for adjustment. Is that right Jim?
>With the long tails out the back, it appears you are going back to the
>slider style.. And that nice wide back will be great to ride in for those
>long hauls down to AZ....
>Weav
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "rjrellis"
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 1:02 PM
>Subject: [TailwindForum] Jim C seat photos
>
>
> > Given the response for the Jim C seat photos, I uploaded the pictures
> > to the 'Photos' (see sidebar on the left while on the TailwindForum
> > website) section under Jim C photo album. Rich
> >
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
You know...... It's really one of those special things we get to do when we visit
Wisconsin... What do I like about Culvers? Those folks just have the nicest
people working for them, and they have a spotless facility and finally, I don't
think there is anything you could order that you wouldn't really enjoy. Those
fricken Baraboo pilots have it made. They are down there almost every day
at lunch hour..... We only get to partake a few days out of each year. I guess
that way, we don't get so jaded...hahhhahhaha.. Jim C is right though...and
Rick C confirmed it this year, that damned Double butter whatever it is cheeseburger
is just the most awesome thing you could get on a plate.........and of
course, there are the french fries there to surround it...
Life is good,
Weav
Hey Jerry Hey!.... Are you listening?? You are only a couple hours away now........
Damn!!!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Re: Culvers
Actually we are about 20 miles east of Dallas off of I-30.
I guess I should be like Jim and go down and try and collect some coupons for
the flood of Tailwind guys that will be coming here now ! I just need to convince
them of all the customers I will be bringing in the near future. I think
I will just go and tell them I know Jim C, then I will have a chance !
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Cc: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:23 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] Re: Culvers
Hey Larry!!! This truly is Good News! Where in the hell is Rockwall? Somewhere
between Arizona and DFW?
God, this is great, we don't have to go all the way to Baraboo to enjoy some
of their great food....but it's a great excuse to go to Baraboo for sure!
Humble Weav....
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 5:56 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] Culvers
Hi Jim,
You would be proud, we now have a Culvers in my town, Rockwall Tx. My wife
insisted that I go and try a cone of custard tonight. At least if you ever take
the long way across Texas you can be at home in Culvers here in the good ole
lone star state !
Oh yea the rest of you keep working on the Tailwinds.
Larry H.
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] More Culvers |
I think this is a great idea Dave. It will help support the Baraboo Gang and also
let corporate/Culvers know what is going on nationwide with these flying guys
to support their franchise. I can hardly wait to read what Rick C has to say....or
Luc if he wakes up long enough to respond..
Jerry doesn't count.... he lives out there now. :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Conrad
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] More Culvers
I'll print all this Culver's stuff and send it to them, Next year at Baraboo
we'll be able to reserve the place for a day. (after a proper shit shoot at Jim"s
hangar of course.) By the way we have 2 excellent Culver's in Wausau, One
not to far from the airport. a car is usually available. Dave Conrad
On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 10:13 PM, Larry H wrote:
I guess it is awesome that those Baraboo guys get to fly tailwinds, build tailwinds,
sit around in Jim's hangar and tell lies, fly tailwinds and go to Culvers,
but us guys here in Texas get to talk about building tailwinds, watch tailwinds
fly over, sit around my hangar and tell lies, now go to Culvers, and
the winner is WE GET FRESH, FRIED, BAKED, BOILED, GRILLED GIANT GULF SHRIMP "FRESH".
We swim out and and catch them ourselves inbetween all that other stuff
we do ! !
Larry H.
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From: Fred Weaver
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Cc: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 10:00 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] More Culvers
You know...... It's really one of those special things we get to do when we
visit Wisconsin... What do I like about Culvers? Those folks just have the
nicest people working for them, and they have a spotless facility and finally,
I don't think there is anything you could order that you wouldn't really enjoy.
Those fricken Baraboo pilots have it made. They are down there almost every
day at lunch hour..... We only get to partake a few days out of each year.
I guess that way, we don't get so jaded...hahhhahhaha.. Jim C is right though...and
Rick C confirmed it this year, that damned Double butter whatever it is
cheeseburger is just the most awesome thing you could get on a plate.........and
of course, there are the french fries there to surround it...
Life is good,
Weav
Hey Jerry Hey!.... Are you listening?? You are only a couple hours away now........
Damn!!!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Re: Culvers
Actually we are about 20 miles east of Dallas off of I-30.
I guess I should be like Jim and go down and try and collect some coupons for
the flood of Tailwind guys that will be coming here now ! I just need to convince
them of all the customers I will be bringing in the near future. I think
I will just go and tell them I know Jim C, then I will have a chance !
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Cc: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:23 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] Re: Culvers
Hey Larry!!! This truly is Good News! Where in the hell is Rockwall? Somewhere
between Arizona and DFW?
God, this is great, we don't have to go all the way to Baraboo to enjoy some
of their great food....but it's a great excuse to go to Baraboo for sure!
Humble Weav....
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 5:56 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] Culvers
Hi Jim,
You would be proud, we now have a Culvers in my town, Rockwall Tx. My wife
insisted that I go and try a cone of custard tonight. At least if you ever take
the long way across Texas you can be at home in Culvers here in the good ole
lone star state !
Oh yea the rest of you keep working on the Tailwinds.
Larry H.
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
Even a W8 can limp into DLL with low fuel...........and the pilot will still get
a ride to Culvers for some chow. That guy could even have a subaru and get a
ride. Or, big ass square tubing or worse yet, a reduction drive working with
a Corvair.... And they would still get a ride into town for lunch. I remember
when an acquaintance of mine (scared to say a friend, hahhahhaha) flew into
Baraboo with a big Yellow High wing shitbox and the guys took him into town(Culvers)
for a burger... Seems like he said he was from the "Bay Area" and Jim
started probing...... Sure enough, he figured out who Barry was... hahahhahhaha....
The rest of the story is out there for Jim.
I think Culvers holds some real interesting history somewhere within it's walls......
Wishin' I had a cheeseburger.........
Weav
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| Subject: | Where is Richard Lamb?????? |
| From: | Fred Weaver <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
Email bounces.......... Are you out there Richard.???
Personally, I'm worried. Where are you?
Weav
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| From: | "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Culver's stuff |
Weave is RIGHT ! Culver's is the best.... I can almost taste the burgers now
!
Earl Luce
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From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Culver's stuff
>
> Even a W8 can limp into DLL with low fuel...........and the pilot will
still get a ride to Culvers for some chow. That guy could even have a subaru
and get a ride. Or, big ass square tubing or worse yet, a reduction drive
working with a Corvair.... And they would still get a ride into town for
lunch. I remember when an acquaintance of mine (scared to say a friend,
hahhahhaha) flew into Baraboo with a big Yellow High wing shitbox and the
guys took him into town(Culvers) for a burger... Seems like he said he was
from the "Bay Area" and Jim started probing...... Sure enough, he figured
out who Barry was... hahahhahhaha.... The rest of the story is out
there for Jim.
> I think Culvers holds some real interesting history somewhere within it's
walls......
> Wishin' I had a cheeseburger.........
> Weav
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Just another day |
| From: | Fred Weaver <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
Flying Under the "Gate"?.... But of course.. I have some nice
pictures.. I'll see if I can find em...Several taken from 49T and 75G.
It used to be when someone came out to visit, the first thing I would
do is take them flying down to Monterey and Pebble Beach. Very gorgeous
area of the coast and then we would fly in the salt spray all the way
up the coast to Santa Cruz, Half Moon bay and then of course, San
Francisco.. Fabulous view as you 'round the corner and the bridge
comes into view. Always a nice view from underneath, watching the
sailboats, windsurfers and the Red &White fleet... I've sorta curbed
my style after 9/11 as I just don't think they(the law) has the same
sense of humor. For some reason, they would take it too seriously and
then I'd have to take a fricken Greyhound to Baraboo each year.
Anything for some of "Uncle Bob's" fine cuisine....roadside venison
ribs in BBQ sauce... ah yes....
Weav
PS. Always had to bathe the airplane after these rides... The film of
salt from the waves left a white film on everything.
On Sunday, December 7, 2003, at 11:35 AM, jrs14855 wrote:
> Weav- I enjoyed your picture of the Golden Gate. Do you know the
> history of the Presidio and Crissy AAF? Crissy was an airport where
> the patch of green is on the far side of the bridge approach.
> Aviation author Richard Drury wrote about flying a Beech 18 out of
> there years ago. When I first went to SFO it was still open. Ever fly
> under the Golden Gate or any other bridge? Jim
>
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| From: | RiteAngle3(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Crissy Field |
In a message dated 12/7/03 11:59:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tailwind-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
Weav- I enjoyed your picture of the Golden Gate. Do you know the
> history of the Presidio and Crissy AAF? Crissy was an airport where
> the patch of green is on the far side of the bridge approach.
> Aviation author Richard Drury wrote about flying a Beech 18 out of
> there years ago. When I first went to SFO it was still open. Ever fly
> under the Golden Gate or any other bridge? Jim
>
Back in the mid '60's I was in the reserves at the Presidio, aviation
section. Crissy Field had Beech D-50's (civilian designation) there at the time,
We
used to go to Napa think it was Joneses for lunch in the "T-Bones". A year
later I was flying them for a living out of ABQ for the Atomic Energy Commission
~~Brought back some memories!~~But not as good as talking to Steve W. a few
times!
Elbie ~ just a lurker on the sites
Outstanding Customer Service is our Motto
If you like it let others know
If not let me know!
EM aviation, LLC
Elbie Mendenhall President
www.RiteAngle.com
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| From: | Davstamsta(at)aol.com |
Hi guys,
I've been enjoying the list lately. Culvers is why we moved back to Wisconsin!
Can you banner tow with a Tailwind?!?
I've been flying so much I have not had much time to write.
To the guys not finished: keep at it. I plan to start another one after the new
year. I'll use the wing kit again, as I think the way I did the tip gives me
a little slower stall speed than most and I still seem to have a pretty good top
end speed. Stall with flaps is at 49mph indicated, and I'm getting about 175mph
at 2550 with a lycoming E2D 150hp with no wheel pants or gear fairings.
I've had to put an new battery in it. The wheelchair battery I had gave out; maybe
too many bounced landings shook lose the plates? Went with an Oddessy this
time.
Friday morning I leave for Kitty Hawk. I plan to fly the tailwind to Michigan and
meet up with a friend there. The rest of the trip will be on commercial airlines
since I don't want to get stuck in any weather.
I feel very connected to the Wrights and what they did. I've spent quite a few
years working in bike shops. My wife and I rode a tandem bike across the country,
and when I was a little younger, I did some bike racing. Never did I every
think I would build an airplane, or have such an interest in flying. About 4
years ago I took a flight with my brother in his Cessna 120. It was the closest
thing ever to what I feel when I bike. Now I've built a plane designed by a
man who had his ticket signed by a Wright. This coming week I have the privilage
to experience a recreation of the first flight on the spot where it happened.
For me its like going to see the Tour de France (never been to France).
Now I live on a runway, and the midwest is small. My bike fits in my airplane.
I am a lucky man.
Here is a web site that we will be maintaining about the first flight celebration. My friend John Chapman is who I am traveling with. This site is his project: http://www.geocities.com/airknocker46/index.html
Look for updates daily.
David
at 6P3
917WT
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| From: | "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com> |
| Subject: | Canadian hot dog |
Bob, is this what they fed you in Canada? Jim
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| From: | "Gordon Parker" <glptailwind(at)olypen.com> |
| Subject: | Re: primary glider |
Erik-- The Wag aero catalog has plans for one in there lists of kits.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: primary glider
>
> Check with the EAA. Paul Poberezny had one.
>
VAHOWDY(at)aol.com
>
> Hi, does anyone have plans for a primary glider from the 50's or 60's ?
> Thanks,
> Howdy
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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| Subject: | Insurance Question.. |
| From: | Fred Weaver <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
I've used Forest Agency in Chicago for years. Two nice ladies to talk
to that KNOW airplanes. Gail and Becky... I have been with them for so
long, I honestly can't remember.. They also know what a Tailwind is..
I've always found their rates to be very affordable too.
You want their number?
Let me know and I will go look it up..
Thanks,
Weav
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| From: | Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com> |
TailwindForum
I'm selling my Garmin 92 GPS handheld.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2448791563
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "DENNIS VEST" <shorbird(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Insurance Question.. |
Here ya go,
15377 County Rd. 97A
Woodland 95695
Talk to ya latter Fred.....Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver
To: tailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:41 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Insurance Question..
I've used Forest Agency in Chicago for years. Two nice ladies to talk
to that KNOW airplanes. Gail and Becky... I have been with them for so
long, I honestly can't remember.. They also know what a Tailwind is..
I've always found their rates to be very affordable too.
You want their number?
Let me know and I will go look it up..
Thanks,
Weav
________________________________________________________________________________
Hello Tailwinders,
I'm back to building my wings, and in going over all the info I have, I saw a
suggestion to install the Landing Lights between the 13th and 14th ribs.
This would put the light outboard of the last full rib. Is this the best place
for a Landing Light ?
Chuck Gantzer
Wichita KS
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight |
| From: | Fred Weaver <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled out 68X, put in ten
gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around the countryside and chased
a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved it.. Airspeed? Over
245 indicated in very smooth air and close to the ground. A myty fine
ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put it back in the hangar and
went back to work...
Weav
On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM, George Turner wrote:
>
> Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no clouds, no wind, 74
> degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W in memory of the Wright
> Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out and do a high speed pass to
> celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare the locals.=A0 George
>
>
>=A0
> Brian Alley wrote:
>
> Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its snowing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
> The Tailwind Forum group site is:
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight |
Fred,
Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4' of snow in front of your hangar
?
Earl Luce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
> Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled out 68X, put in ten
> gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around the countryside and chased
> a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved it.. Airspeed? Over
> 245 indicated in very smooth air and close to the ground. A myty fine
> ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put it back in the hangar and
> went back to work...
> Weav
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM, George Turner wrote:
>
> >
> > Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no clouds, no wind, 74
> > degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W in memory of the Wright
> > Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out and do a high speed pass to
> > celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare the locals.=A0 George
> >
> >
> >=A0
> > Brian Alley wrote:
> >
> > Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its snowing.
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > TailwindForum-unsubscribe(at)yahoogroups.com
> >
> > The Tailwind Forum group site is:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum/
> >
> > =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > TailwindForum-unsubscribe(at)yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Wright flight day |
| From: | Fred Weaver <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
Sorry Earl...It was 67 degrees yesterday at the high.. The sky was blue
with some wispy clouds way up high. The air was whip cream smooth and
cool.. No high temps, good oil pressure and lots of vertical too....
:)
Four feet of snow???? Why does anyone live there? I don't get
it.......
Weav
On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 11:19 AM, Earl Luce wrote:
>
>
> Fred,
> Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4' of snow in front of your
> hangar
> ?
> Earl Luce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
>
>>
>>
>> Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled out 68X, put in ten
>> gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around the countryside and chased
>> a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved it.. Airspeed? Over
>> 245 indicated in very smooth air and close to the ground. A myty fine
>> ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put it back in the hangar and
>> went back to work...
>> Weav
>> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM, George Turner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no clouds, no wind, 74
>>> degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W in memory of the Wright
>>> Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out and do a high speed pass
>>> to
>>> celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare the locals.=A0 George
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian Alley wrote:
>>>
>>> Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its snowing.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>>> TailwindForum-unsubscribe(at)yahoogroups.com
>>>
>>> The Tailwind Forum group site is:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> =95 To visit your group on the web, go to:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum/
>>>
>>> =95 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>>> TailwindForum-unsubscribe(at)yahoogroups.com
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| From: | "Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight |
Earl dont ya just hate winter . went to the baraboo airport yesterday
theres a inch of ice on all the taxi ways in front of all the hangers . what
a mess ! if it wasnt for 4/wd we wouldnt of made it in on the back road to
culvers!Jim and i didnt go flying but we had a couple of great big
greaseeeeeeee cheese burgers mmmmmm mm Happy Holidays Bob And Estelle
ps Jer to the champ out on skis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
> Fred,
> Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4' of snow in front of your
hangar
> ?
> Earl Luce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
>
> >
> > Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled out 68X, put in ten
> > gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around the countryside and chased
> > a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved it.. Airspeed? Over
> > 245 indicated in very smooth air and close to the ground. A myty fine
> > ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put it back in the hangar and
> > went back to work...
> > Weav
> > On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM, George Turner wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no clouds, no wind, 74
> > > degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W in memory of the Wright
> > > Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out and do a high speed pass to
> > > celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare the locals.=A0 George
> > >
> > >
> > >=A0
> > > Brian Alley wrote:
> > >
> > > Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its snowing.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > TailwindForum-unsubscribe(at)yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > The Tailwind Forum group site is:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > =95 To visit your group on the web, go to:
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight |
Hey Bob... Was that last line something like.....Jerome is flying his Champ
on skiis??
Then, Greasey Cheeseburgers? You're gonna rip old RJ's day apart... He'd
rather have some broccolli... hahahahaha....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
> Earl dont ya just hate winter . went to the baraboo airport yesterday
> theres a inch of ice on all the taxi ways in front of all the hangers .
what
> a mess ! if it wasnt for 4/wd we wouldnt of made it in on the back road
to
> culvers!Jim and i didnt go flying but we had a couple of great big
> greaseeeeeeee cheese burgers mmmmmm mm Happy Holidays Bob And Estelle
> ps Jer to the champ out on skis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)frontiernet.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
>
> >
> > Fred,
> > Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4' of snow in front of your
> hangar
> > ?
> > Earl Luce
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled out 68X, put in ten
> > > gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around the countryside and chased
> > > a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved it.. Airspeed? Over
> > > 245 indicated in very smooth air and close to the ground. A myty fine
> > > ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put it back in the hangar and
> > > went back to work...
> > > Weav
> > > On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM, George Turner wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no clouds, no wind, 74
> > > > degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W in memory of the Wright
> > > > Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out and do a high speed pass
to
> > > > celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare the locals.=A0 George
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >=A0
> > > > Brian Alley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its snowing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> > > >
> > > > The Tailwind Forum group site is:
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
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| From: | RJ <gatsby8898(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight |
Much, Much, rather have broccolli. RJ :-)
--- Fred Weaver wrote:
>
>
> Hey Bob... Was that last line something
> like.....Jerome is flying his Champ
> on skiis??
>
> Then, Greasey Cheeseburgers? You're gonna rip old
> RJ's day apart... He'd
> rather have some broccolli... hahahahaha....
> Weav
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> Wright flight
>
>
> Danner"
>
> >
> > Earl dont ya just hate winter . went to the
> baraboo airport yesterday
> > theres a inch of ice on all the taxi ways in front
> of all the hangers .
> what
> > a mess ! if it wasnt for 4/wd we wouldnt of made
> it in on the back road
> to
> > culvers!Jim and i didnt go flying but we had a
> couple of great big
> > greaseeeeeeee cheese burgers mmmmmm mm Happy
> Holidays Bob And Estelle
> > ps Jer to the champ out on skis
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)frontiernet.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> Wright flight
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > Fred,
> > > Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4' of
> snow in front of your
> > hangar
> > > ?
> > > Earl Luce
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> Wright flight
> > >
> > >
> Weaver
> >
> > > >
> > > > Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled
> out 68X, put in ten
> > > > gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around
> the countryside and chased
> > > > a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved
> it.. Airspeed? Over
> > > > 245 indicated in very smooth air and close to
> the ground. A myty fine
> > > > ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put
> it back in the hangar and
> > > > went back to work...
> > > > Weav
> > > > On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM,
> George Turner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no
> clouds, no wind, 74
> > > > > degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W
> in memory of the Wright
> > > > > Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out
> and do a high speed pass
> to
> > > > > celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare
> the locals.=A0 George
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >=A0
> > > > > Brian Alley wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its
> snowing.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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| From: | "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight |
Hahahaha..... I knew we could get you away from the work bench for a few
seconds........
Cold in Colorado?
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ" <gatsby8898(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
> Much, Much, rather have broccolli. RJ :-)
>
> --- Fred Weaver wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey Bob... Was that last line something
> > like.....Jerome is flying his Champ
> > on skiis??
> >
> > Then, Greasey Cheeseburgers? You're gonna rip old
> > RJ's day apart... He'd
> > rather have some broccolli... hahahahaha....
> > Weav
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > Wright flight
> >
> >
> > Danner"
> >
> > >
> > > Earl dont ya just hate winter . went to the
> > baraboo airport yesterday
> > > theres a inch of ice on all the taxi ways in front
> > of all the hangers .
> > what
> > > a mess ! if it wasnt for 4/wd we wouldnt of made
> > it in on the back road
> > to
> > > culvers!Jim and i didnt go flying but we had a
> > couple of great big
> > > greaseeeeeeee cheese burgers mmmmmm mm Happy
> > Holidays Bob And Estelle
> > > ps Jer to the champ out on skis
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)frontiernet.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > Wright flight
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Fred,
> > > > Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4' of
> > snow in front of your
> > > hangar
> > > > ?
> > > > Earl Luce
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > Wright flight
> > > >
> > > >
> > Weaver
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled
> > out 68X, put in ten
> > > > > gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around
> > the countryside and chased
> > > > > a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved
> > it.. Airspeed? Over
> > > > > 245 indicated in very smooth air and close to
> > the ground. A myty fine
> > > > > ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put
> > it back in the hangar and
> > > > > went back to work...
> > > > > Weav
> > > > > On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM,
> > George Turner wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no
> > clouds, no wind, 74
> > > > > > degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W
> > in memory of the Wright
> > > > > > Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out
> > and do a high speed pass
> > to
> > > > > > celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare
> > the locals.=A0 George
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >=A0
> > > > > > Brian Alley wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its
> > snowing.
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| From: | RJ <gatsby8898(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight |
No, not cold. Maybe to 10 degrees at night but 60
during the day. Beautiful clear weather to fly, if
only I had something to fly. :-(
--- Fred Weaver wrote:
>
>
> Hahahaha..... I knew we could get you away from the
> work bench for a few
> seconds........
> Cold in Colorado?
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RJ" <gatsby8898(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> Wright flight
>
>
>
> >
> > Much, Much, rather have broccolli. RJ :-)
> >
> > --- Fred Weaver wrote:
> Weaver"
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Bob... Was that last line something
> > > like.....Jerome is flying his Champ
> > > on skiis??
> > >
> > > Then, Greasey Cheeseburgers? You're gonna rip
> old
> > > RJ's day apart... He'd
> > > rather have some broccolli... hahahahaha....
> > > Weav
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > > Wright flight
> > >
> > >
> Estelle
> > > Danner"
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Earl dont ya just hate winter . went to the
> > > baraboo airport yesterday
> > > > theres a inch of ice on all the taxi ways in
> front
> > > of all the hangers .
> > > what
> > > > a mess ! if it wasnt for 4/wd we wouldnt of
> made
> > > it in on the back road
> > > to
> > > > culvers!Jim and i didnt go flying but we had a
> > > couple of great big
> > > > greaseeeeeeee cheese burgers mmmmmm mm Happy
> > > Holidays Bob And Estelle
> > > > ps Jer to the champ out on skis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)frontiernet.net>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re:
> [TailwindForum]
> > > Wright flight
> > > >
> > > >
> Luce"
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Fred,
> > > > > Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4'
> of
> > > snow in front of your
> > > > hangar
> > > > > ?
> > > > > Earl Luce
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > > Wright flight
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > Weaver
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Twas a gorgeous day in California... I
> pulled
> > > out 68X, put in ten
> > > > > > gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed
> around
> > > the countryside and chased
> > > > > > a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They
> loved
> > > it.. Airspeed? Over
> > > > > > 245 indicated in very smooth air and close
> to
> > > the ground. A myty fine
> > > > > > ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach....
> put
> > > it back in the hangar and
> > > > > > went back to work...
> > > > > > Weav
> > > > > > On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46
> PM,
> > > George Turner wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect,
> no
> > > clouds, no wind, 74
> > > > > > > degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0
> 1217W
> > > in memory of the Wright
> > > > > > > Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go
> out
> > > and do a high speed pass
> > > to
> > > > > > > celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to
> scare
> > > the locals.=A0 George
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >=A0
> > > > > > > Brian Alley wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and
> its
> > > snowing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight |
| From: | Fred Weaver <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net> |
Swear to God...... This is why you are building....... It is just a
great airplane to fly and at some point, you will probably do the same
kinds of things. WHY??? Because you can.................... :)
On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 04:49 PM, carrxw10(at)aol.com wrote:
> cool story Fred, got all fired up and did a little work on my wings,
> but first I had to go and change my pants and wipe the drool off my
> keyboard. can't wait to get mine going. Thanks for the rush. Alex
>
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| From: | "Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tailwind-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 12/18/03 |
Fred pay no attention to dave i dont know any thing about a cowl or any fast
wings or anything else Bob Danner
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> 1. 09:33 AM - Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight (Fred Weaver)
> 2. 11:15 AM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight (Earl Luce)
> 3. 11:24 AM - Wright flight day (Fred Weaver)
> 4. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight (Bob Estelle
Danner)
> 5. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight (Fred Weaver)
> 6. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight (RJ)
> 7. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight (Fred Weaver)
> 8. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight (RJ)
> 9. 07:56 PM - Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight (Fred Weaver)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
> From: Fred Weaver <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
>
>
> Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled out 68X, put in ten
> gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around the countryside and chased
> a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved it.. Airspeed? Over
> 245 indicated in very smooth air and close to the ground. A myty fine
> ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put it back in the hangar and
> went back to work...
> Weav
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM, George Turner wrote:
>
> >
> > Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no clouds, no wind, 74
> > degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W in memory of the Wright
> > Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out and do a high speed pass to
> > celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare the locals.=A0 George
> >
> >
> >=A0
> > Brian Alley wrote:
> >
> > Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its snowing.
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
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>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
>
> Fred,
> Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4' of snow in front of your
hangar
> ?
> Earl Luce
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
>
> >
> > Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled out 68X, put in ten
> > gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around the countryside and chased
> > a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved it.. Airspeed? Over
> > 245 indicated in very smooth air and close to the ground. A myty fine
> > ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put it back in the hangar and
> > went back to work...
> > Weav
> > On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM, George Turner wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no clouds, no wind, 74
> > > degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W in memory of the Wright
> > > Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out and do a high speed pass to
> > > celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare the locals.=A0 George
> > >
> > >
> > >=A0
> > > Brian Alley wrote:
> > >
> > > Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its snowing.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
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> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Wright flight day
> From: Fred Weaver <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
>
>
> Sorry Earl...It was 67 degrees yesterday at the high.. The sky was blue
> with some wispy clouds way up high. The air was whip cream smooth and
> cool.. No high temps, good oil pressure and lots of vertical too....
> :)
> Four feet of snow???? Why does anyone live there? I don't get
> it.......
> Weav
>
>
> On Thursday, December 18, 2003, at 11:19 AM, Earl Luce wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Fred,
> > Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4' of snow in front of your
> > hangar
> > ?
> > Earl Luce
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled out 68X, put in ten
> >> gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around the countryside and chased
> >> a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved it.. Airspeed? Over
> >> 245 indicated in very smooth air and close to the ground. A myty fine
> >> ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put it back in the hangar and
> >> went back to work...
> >> Weav
> >> On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM, George Turner wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no clouds, no wind, 74
> >>> degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W in memory of the Wright
> >>> Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out and do a high speed pass
> >>> to
> >>> celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare the locals.=A0 George
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Brian Alley wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its snowing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>
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>
> From: "Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
>
> Earl dont ya just hate winter . went to the baraboo airport yesterday
> theres a inch of ice on all the taxi ways in front of all the hangers .
what
> a mess ! if it wasnt for 4/wd we wouldnt of made it in on the back road
to
> culvers!Jim and i didnt go flying but we had a couple of great big
> greaseeeeeeee cheese burgers mmmmmm mm Happy Holidays Bob And Estelle
> ps Jer to the champ out on skis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
>
> >
> > Fred,
> > Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4' of snow in front of your
> hangar
> > ?
> > Earl Luce
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled out 68X, put in ten
> > > gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around the countryside and chased
> > > a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved it.. Airspeed? Over
> > > 245 indicated in very smooth air and close to the ground. A myty fine
> > > ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put it back in the hangar and
> > > went back to work...
> > > Weav
> > > On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM, George Turner wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no clouds, no wind, 74
> > > > degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W in memory of the Wright
> > > > Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out and do a high speed pass
to
> > > > celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare the locals.=A0 George
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >=A0
> > > > Brian Alley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its snowing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
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> ________________________________ Message 5
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>
>
> From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
>
> Hey Bob... Was that last line something like.....Jerome is flying his
Champ
> on skiis??
>
> Then, Greasey Cheeseburgers? You're gonna rip old RJ's day apart... He'd
> rather have some broccolli... hahahahaha....
> Weav
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
>
>
> >
> > Earl dont ya just hate winter . went to the baraboo airport yesterday
> > theres a inch of ice on all the taxi ways in front of all the hangers .
> what
> > a mess ! if it wasnt for 4/wd we wouldnt of made it in on the back road
> to
> > culvers!Jim and i didnt go flying but we had a couple of great big
> > greaseeeeeeee cheese burgers mmmmmm mm Happy Holidays Bob And Estelle
> > ps Jer to the champ out on skis
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)frontiernet.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > Fred,
> > > Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4' of snow in front of your
> > hangar
> > > ?
> > > Earl Luce
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled out 68X, put in ten
> > > > gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around the countryside and
chased
> > > > a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved it.. Airspeed? Over
> > > > 245 indicated in very smooth air and close to the ground. A myty
fine
> > > > ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put it back in the hangar
and
> > > > went back to work...
> > > > Weav
> > > > On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM, George Turner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no clouds, no wind, 74
> > > > > degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W in memory of the Wright
> > > > > Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out and do a high speed
pass
> to
> > > > > celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare the locals.=A0 George
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >=A0
> > > > > Brian Alley wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its snowing.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> ________________________________ Message 6
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>
>
> From: RJ <gatsby8898(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
>
> Much, Much, rather have broccolli. RJ :-)
>
> --- Fred Weaver wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey Bob... Was that last line something
> > like.....Jerome is flying his Champ
> > on skiis??
> >
> > Then, Greasey Cheeseburgers? You're gonna rip old
> > RJ's day apart... He'd
> > rather have some broccolli... hahahahaha....
> > Weav
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > Wright flight
> >
> >
> > Danner"
> >
> > >
> > > Earl dont ya just hate winter . went to the
> > baraboo airport yesterday
> > > theres a inch of ice on all the taxi ways in front
> > of all the hangers .
> > what
> > > a mess ! if it wasnt for 4/wd we wouldnt of made
> > it in on the back road
> > to
> > > culvers!Jim and i didnt go flying but we had a
> > couple of great big
> > > greaseeeeeeee cheese burgers mmmmmm mm Happy
> > Holidays Bob And Estelle
> > > ps Jer to the champ out on skis
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)frontiernet.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > Wright flight
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Fred,
> > > > Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4' of
> > snow in front of your
> > > hangar
> > > > ?
> > > > Earl Luce
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > Wright flight
> > > >
> > > >
> > Weaver
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled
> > out 68X, put in ten
> > > > > gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around
> > the countryside and chased
> > > > > a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved
> > it.. Airspeed? Over
> > > > > 245 indicated in very smooth air and close to
> > the ground. A myty fine
> > > > > ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put
> > it back in the hangar and
> > > > > went back to work...
> > > > > Weav
> > > > > On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM,
> > George Turner wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no
> > clouds, no wind, 74
> > > > > > degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W
> > in memory of the Wright
> > > > > > Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out
> > and do a high speed pass
> > to
> > > > > > celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare
> > the locals.=A0 George
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >=A0
> > > > > > Brian Alley wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its
> > snowing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> ________________________________ Message 7
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>
>
> From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
>
> Hahahaha..... I knew we could get you away from the work bench for a few
> seconds........
> Cold in Colorado?
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RJ" <gatsby8898(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
>
> >
> > Much, Much, rather have broccolli. RJ :-)
> >
> > --- Fred Weaver wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Bob... Was that last line something
> > > like.....Jerome is flying his Champ
> > > on skiis??
> > >
> > > Then, Greasey Cheeseburgers? You're gonna rip old
> > > RJ's day apart... He'd
> > > rather have some broccolli... hahahahaha....
> > > Weav
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > > Wright flight
> > >
> > >
> > > Danner"
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Earl dont ya just hate winter . went to the
> > > baraboo airport yesterday
> > > > theres a inch of ice on all the taxi ways in front
> > > of all the hangers .
> > > what
> > > > a mess ! if it wasnt for 4/wd we wouldnt of made
> > > it in on the back road
> > > to
> > > > culvers!Jim and i didnt go flying but we had a
> > > couple of great big
> > > > greaseeeeeeee cheese burgers mmmmmm mm Happy
> > > Holidays Bob And Estelle
> > > > ps Jer to the champ out on skis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)frontiernet.net>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > > Wright flight
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Fred,
> > > > > Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4' of
> > > snow in front of your
> > > > hangar
> > > > > ?
> > > > > Earl Luce
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > > Wright flight
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > Weaver
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Twas a gorgeous day in California... I pulled
> > > out 68X, put in ten
> > > > > > gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed around
> > > the countryside and chased
> > > > > > a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They loved
> > > it.. Airspeed? Over
> > > > > > 245 indicated in very smooth air and close to
> > > the ground. A myty fine
> > > > > > ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach.... put
> > > it back in the hangar and
> > > > > > went back to work...
> > > > > > Weav
> > > > > > On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46 PM,
> > > George Turner wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect, no
> > > clouds, no wind, 74
> > > > > > > degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0 1217W
> > > in memory of the Wright
> > > > > > > Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go out
> > > and do a high speed pass
> > > to
> > > > > > > celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to scare
> > > the locals.=A0 George
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >=A0
> > > > > > > Brian Alley wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and its
> > > snowing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > email to:
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
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>
>
> From: RJ <gatsby8898(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Wright flight
>
>
> No, not cold. Maybe to 10 degrees at night but 60
> during the day. Beautiful clear weather to fly, if
> only I had something to fly. :-(
>
> --- Fred Weaver wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hahahaha..... I knew we could get you away from the
> > work bench for a few
> > seconds........
> > Cold in Colorado?
> > Weav
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "RJ" <gatsby8898(at)yahoo.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > Wright flight
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Much, Much, rather have broccolli. RJ :-)
> > >
> > > --- Fred Weaver wrote:
> > Weaver"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey Bob... Was that last line something
> > > > like.....Jerome is flying his Champ
> > > > on skiis??
> > > >
> > > > Then, Greasey Cheeseburgers? You're gonna rip
> > old
> > > > RJ's day apart... He'd
> > > > rather have some broccolli... hahahahaha....
> > > > Weav
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > > > Wright flight
> > > >
> > > >
> > Estelle
> > > > Danner"
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Earl dont ya just hate winter . went to the
> > > > baraboo airport yesterday
> > > > > theres a inch of ice on all the taxi ways in
> > front
> > > > of all the hangers .
> > > > what
> > > > > a mess ! if it wasnt for 4/wd we wouldnt of
> > made
> > > > it in on the back road
> > > > to
> > > > > culvers!Jim and i didnt go flying but we had a
> > > > couple of great big
> > > > > greaseeeeeeee cheese burgers mmmmmm mm Happy
> > > > Holidays Bob And Estelle
> > > > > ps Jer to the champ out on skis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair(at)frontiernet.net>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re:
> > [TailwindForum]
> > > > Wright flight
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > Luce"
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fred,
> > > > > > Your killing me !!!! How would you like 4'
> > of
> > > > snow in front of your
> > > > > hangar
> > > > > > ?
> > > > > > Earl Luce
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Fred Weaver" <mytyweav(at)earthlink.net>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum]
> > > > Wright flight
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > Weaver
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Twas a gorgeous day in California... I
> > pulled
> > > > out 68X, put in ten
> > > > > > > gallons and took off.. Sorta zoomed
> > around
> > > > the countryside and chased
> > > > > > > a couple guys in an Aeronca Champ. They
> > loved
> > > > it.. Airspeed? Over
> > > > > > > 245 indicated in very smooth air and close
> > to
> > > > the ground. A myty fine
> > > > > > > ride for sure.. 0.4 on the tach....
> > put
> > > > it back in the hangar and
> > > > > > > went back to work...
> > > > > > > Weav
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 17, 2003, at 02:46
> > PM,
> > > > George Turner wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here in Phoenix the weather is perfect,
> > no
> > > > clouds, no wind, 74
> > > > > > > > degrees, and my Tailwind N# is=A0=A0
> > 1217W
> > > > in memory of the Wright
> > > > > > > > Brothers 12/17 1st flight.=A0 Did I go
> > out
> > > > and do a high speed pass
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > celebrate?=A0=A0 Nope, didn't want to
> > scare
> > > > the locals.=A0 George
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=A0
> > > > > > > > Brian Alley wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Broken hearted in WV! 200' ceilings and
> > its
> > > > snowing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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