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Bill Mileski 701 912S 110hrs Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140246#140246 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rivet the 601xl plane Flys!
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 16, 2007
Congrats Juan! Tremendous accomplishment. Reading of your success inspires and motivates me! Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140251#140251 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2007
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re:
you are cutting a rectangle for the aileron, which wil not allign with the rivet lines of the aileron. what is important is that you cut the trim perfectly square to the trailing adge, the rest takes care of itself. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Brad Cohen <bradfnp(at)msn.com> >Sent: Oct 15, 2007 9:52 PM >To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: > > >I am installing the aileron trim tab and as I am getting ready to install >the aileron cutout channel I noticed that the holes I drilled in the bottom >of the aileron skin do not align with the 10mm edge distance line that I >have drawn on the bottom of the cutout channel. This dispite the fact the >the bend radius of the channel does line up with the cut edge of the aileron >skin. I assume that this is because of the twist built into the >aileron....any thoughts from all you out there much smarter than I? > >Brad Cohen >XL-TD > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Mikesell" <skyguynca(at)skyguynca.com>
Subject: CH-701 wing question
Date: Oct 16, 2007
What is the wing panel weight off a 701? David Mikesell 230 Theresa Drive, #6 Cloverdale, CA 95425 209-224-4485 skyguynca(at)skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2007
From: Ron Ellis <rge177(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Jab dual throttle
Lance, The push rod throttle's a good idea. That would take a little friction out of the system, and be smoother. I'm still waiting to hear from USJab, but I may use your idea anyway. That would solve my problem. Thanks, Ron Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jab dual throttle From: "lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com> I was unimpressed with the dual throttle that I received. I changed quite a few of the parts, and it works great now. See my log entry around 8/17/2005 at http://lancegingell.com/planebuild/constructionlog.asp to see what I did. Cheers, ..lance Zodiac XL/Jabiru3300 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2007
From: "Dave Thompson" <dave.thompson(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Connectors for small diameter wires
Also try Hi-Line Inc. www.hi-line.com <http://www.hi-line.com/> They have a wide variety of aircraft quality connectors, tools and wire. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jab dual throttle
From: "mosquito56" <mosquito-56(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Oct 16, 2007
When you buy you kit or order your plane, http://lancegingell.com/planebuild/ is the first site you should study. He has everything explained and pictures are excellent. His site is just as good as Zenith construction photo gallery. WELL DONE LANCE!!!!!!!!! Don Zodiac 601 xl firewall and instruments N601NV reserved South Texas -------- Don Merritt KLRD Rans S-12 Flying not built Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140379#140379 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: JohnDRead(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 17, 2007
Subject: Re: CH-701 wing question
Approx 60 lbs without fuel. John Read do not archive Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jab dual throttle
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona(at)suddenlink.net>
Date: Oct 17, 2007
I got a 403 message on the site. mosquito56 wrote: > When you buy you kit or order your plane, http://lancegingell.com/planebuild/ is the first site you should study. He has everything explained and pictures are excellent. His site is just as good as Zenith construction photo gallery. > > WELL DONE LANCE!!!!!!!!! > > Don > Zodiac 601 xl firewall and instruments > N601NV reserved > South Texas -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140409#140409 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Jab dual throttle
From: "lgingell" <lgingell@matrix-logic.com>
Date: Oct 17, 2007
Thanks Don, Here's a corrected URL: http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp Cheers, ..lance -------- Zodiac XL/Jab 3300 http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140423#140423 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
Date: Oct 17, 2007
From: n787xl(at)aol.com
List On Oct 13th at the Zenith fly in at Cloverdale, 3 of the? 601xl's /Jab3300 equiped planes had an exterior air scoop on the 2, 4, & 6 side! Comments?? JES 601XL/JAB3300 70% complete. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl(at)avci.net>
Date: Oct 17, 2007
Are you sure you weren't looking at the carb air scoop? If they have the new Jab cowling then the big scoop under the prop (where the carb air intake is on most planes) is for the oil cooler. If it is for cooling, then please post a picture if you have one. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140428#140428 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com>
Subject: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
Date: Oct 17, 2007
> On Oct 13th at the Zenith fly in at Cloverdale, 3 of the 601xl's /Jab3300 equiped planes had an exterior air scoop on the 2, 4, & 6 side! Two of the three were N601FW (Alan & Nathalie Smith) and N601WF (Stephen Smith). The reasoning is that the vents on the cowl (from Jabiru Pacific) slope back. On the side where the prop blade swings up the air bypasses the vent. So the eyebrow vent keeps the air from bypassing the vent. I don't remember what improvement was seen. You can read about building the twin planes in 4 months here: http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_072.htm -- Craig ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl(at)avci.net>
Date: Oct 17, 2007
I see what you mean...... seems like there are some serious design issues with that cowling. The pix of the latest from JabiruUSA is attached. I hope it works a little better. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140431#140431 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/601_cowling_514.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 17, 2007
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
Craig and fellow dudes, The eyebrow you see on those planes is typ;ically for only the break in period. The Tennessee Cowling which i have seen installed on one 601 has its own set of issues. the key is push as much air through the top of the cylinder cooling fins. the # 5 cylindar of the Jab 3300 has cooling issues on either one, the key is to tackle the cooling issues"within reason" what I mean is that so long as my CHT on the rear heads don't go above 345 and egt over 1340 at cruise , i can live with it. the key is to get over 70 hourds then reassess. One thing I did see is the tennesee fitting on the Kit was a little better however you have to do a lot more glassing work, and the air ducts are a work in proces. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Craig Payne <craig(at)craigandjean.com> >Sent: Oct 17, 2007 12:02 PM >To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601XL Jab3300 cooling > > > On Oct 13th at the Zenith fly in at Cloverdale, 3 of the 601xl's >/Jab3300 equiped planes had an exterior air scoop on the 2, 4, & 6 side! > >Two of the three were N601FW (Alan & Nathalie Smith) and N601WF (Stephen >Smith). The reasoning is that the vents on the cowl (from Jabiru Pacific) >slope back. On the side where the prop blade swings up the air bypasses the >vent. So the eyebrow vent keeps the air from bypassing the vent. I don't >remember what improvement was seen. > >You can read about building the twin planes in 4 months here: > >http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_072.htm > >-- Craig > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 17, 2007
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Jab dual throttle
Lance, good to hear from you. how is the plane flying? what are your chts and EGTs like at cruise? Juan -----Original Message----- >From: lgingell <lgingell@matrix-logic.com> >Sent: Oct 17, 2007 11:28 AM >To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jab dual throttle > > >Thanks Don, > >Here's a corrected URL: http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp > >Cheers, >..lance > >-------- >Zodiac XL/Jab 3300 >http://lancegingell.com/plane.asp > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140423#140423 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Matt & Jo" <archermj(at)swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Jab dual throttle
Date: Oct 17, 2007
I have had great service from Jabiru. I have called them on numerous occasions and they have been very helpful. I will say the firewall forward kit is OK but not the same level of quality that the Zodiac kit was. Hasn't been a problem since they have always been there to answer questions. Good Luck Matt www.zodiacxl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "mosquito56" <mosquito-56(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Jab dual throttle > > I am planning on ordering the jab3300 with dual throttles tomorrow. Please > let me know if Jab answers your problem. Vendors seem more than willing to > spend hours talking to you to sell you something but when you buy the item > and call for support, they say I will get back to you and never do. This > is one reason I decided not to order the new Rans S-19. I had alot of > trouble with Rans after I bought my S-12. > Let me know if you get an answer. > Don > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140015#140015 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Matt & Jo" <archermj(at)swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Instrument Panel Access
Date: Oct 17, 2007
I ended up riveting the extinguisher bracket to the spar. I had to drill some new holes in it but it worked fine. Good Luck Matt www.zodiacxl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instrument Panel Access > > > Very Nice! Going to use your idea , if you don't mind. Lot's of room to > work .Perfect place for fire ext.too, Did you use short self tappen > screws when you mounted the fire ext bracket to the spar? Joe N101 > HD 601XL/RAM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 17, 2007
From: <dredmoody(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Jab dual throttle
Matt, There has been a recent modification (hopefully an improvement) to the Jabiru USA supplied cowl for the CH601XL. They have made room to accomodate a change in the ram air cooling ducts, which in turn were changed to accomodate the new style heads with more and larger cooling fins. Another thing I was told is that the previous cheek scoops which fed the ram air ducts were not optimally lined up with the airflow from the prop. The new cowl has scoops better aligned and shaped to get more airflow into the cooling ducts. Also the chin scoop to the oil cooler has been redone to provide better airflow to the oil cooler for more effective oil temp control. All these changes became available early this year. Dred ---- Matt & Jo wrote: > > I have had great service from Jabiru. I have called them on numerous > occasions and they have been very helpful. I will say the firewall forward > kit is OK but not the same level of quality that the Zodiac kit was. Hasn't > been a problem since they have always been there to answer questions. > > Good Luck > > Matt > www.zodiacxl.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
From: "mosquito56" <mosquito-56(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Oct 17, 2007
I see alot of discussion concerning the cooling issues with the Jab3300. Is this a "Plane to hot to fly issue" or a "I want to cruise faster issue"? I am planning on ordering the Jab soon, however, I live in a very hot area and over 105 temps during the summer is normal. Will I be able to fly the jab here in my 601, or will I just have to slow down a little during hot periods? Don -------- Don Merritt KLRD Rans S-12 Flying not built Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140451#140451 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" <a.s.elliott(at)cox.net>
Subject: Control Locks?
Date: Oct 17, 2007
Looking for any good ideas, drawings or pix on making a control lock for the dual stick version of the 601XL. (No, I don't want to use the seat belts!) Thanks, Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (reserved) 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 17, 2007
From: Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
Hi Don, I'm not exactly sure what your question is. As I understand it, the Jabiru 3300 works fine on the 601XL. It is the highest power engine commonly used on this design. I don't have personal experience yet, but the cooling should be fine on the XL. There have been some posts about using this engine on the 701, but I think most people agree this is too much engine for that airframe. The performance difference you can expect from the Jabiru depends on what engine you compare it to. It has lots more horsepower than any of the other engines usually used on the XL. That could translate to higher cruise speed, but it is more likely to show up in climb rate. I will start installing my Jabiru in my XL pretty soon. Paul XL fuselage At 11:00 AM 10/17/2007, you wrote: > >I see alot of discussion concerning the cooling issues with the >Jab3300. Is this a "Plane to hot to fly issue" or a "I want to >cruise faster issue"? > I am planning on ordering the Jab soon, however, I live in a > very hot area and over 105 temps during the summer is normal. Will > I be able to fly the jab here in my 601, or will I just have to > slow down a little during hot periods? >Don > >-------- >Don Merritt ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 17, 2007
From: Jim <aspen1150(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
I'm in an area where the summer temps are over a hundred degrees also, the Jab 3300 cools just fine in my 601 XL during these hot times. I see alot of discussion concerning the cooling issues with the Jab3300. Is this a "Plane to hot to fly issue" or a "I want to cruise faster issue"? I am planning on ordering the Jab soon, however, I live in a very hot area and over 105 temps during the summer is normal. Will I be able to fly the jab here in my 601, or will I just have to slow down a little during hot periods? Don -------- Don Merritt KLRD Rans S-12 Flying not built Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140451#140451 __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
From: n282rs(at)satx.rr.com
Date: Oct 17, 2007
Don A Jabiru will work fine. Most peoples cooling issues occur during break in. Usually while you figure out where to put the deflectors in the baffles. It would be easier to do your break in during the cooler months. I don't know if I would want to do my first few test flights at Laredo International. I can see you getting extended downwind instructions while the CHT's go over the top. As far as 105 degree temps, you probably won't want to be inside a Zodiac then, no matter what engine you have. The sweat will be pouring down your face so fast, you won't be able to see where you are going. Randy Stout San Antonio TX www.geocities.com/n282rs n282rs @ satx.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: mosquito56 <mosquito-56(at)hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:00:34 To:zenith-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling I see alot of discussion concerning the cooling issues with the Jab3300. Is this a "Plane to hot to fly issue" or a "I want to cruise faster issue"? I am planning on ordering the Jab soon, however, I live in a very hot area and over 105 temps during the summer is normal. Will I be able to fly the jab here in my 601, or will I just have to slow down a little during hot periods? Don -------- Don Merritt KLRD Rans S-12 Flying not built Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140451#140451 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com>
Subject: Control Locks?
Date: Oct 17, 2007
> Looking for any good ideas, drawings or pix on making a control lock for the dual stick version of the 601XL. Not there yet but how about a flat, triangular plate which fastens to the bottom lip of the control panel with wing nut quarter-turn fasteners and extends horizontally to meet the stick at its "parked" position? A U-shaped flange at the stick would allow a Velcro strap to clamp the stick to the plate. A little padding would keep the flange from scratching the stick. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Control Locks?
From: "GLJSOJ1" <gljno10(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Oct 17, 2007
I WAS THINKING ABOUT A BAR THAT YOU ENGAGE THE CENTER SPAR AND ALSO ENGAGE THE BRAKES FOR A PARKING BRAKE, JUST NOT AT THAT STAGE YET. GLENN -------- 601XL BUILDER ALMOST DONE CHESAPEAKE VA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140505#140505 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 17, 2007
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
here in florida its hitting 95 when i fly. the faster the plane flys the better, you want to stuff as much air through the cowling, so i am flying at 2950 rpm at 120 to 130 mph. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Jim <aspen1150(at)yahoo.com> >Sent: Oct 17, 2007 3:00 PM >To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling > >I'm in an area where the summer temps are over a hundred degrees also, the Jab 3300 cools just fine in my 601 XL during these hot times. > > >I see alot of discussion concerning the cooling issues with the Jab3300. Is this a "Plane to hot to fly issue" or a "I want to cruise faster issue"? >I am planning on ordering the Jab soon, however, I live in a very hot area and over 105 temps during the summer is normal. Will I be able to fly the jab here in my 601, or will I just have to slow down a little during hot periods? >Don > >-------- >Don Merritt >KLRD >Rans S-12 Flying not built >Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140451#140451 > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
From: "mosquito56" <mosquito-56(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Oct 17, 2007
I guess most of the issues have been cleared up by the newer versions of the engine. I was reading about experimental experimental engines (Jabiru was not used much, I had only seen one in my life) when I first bought my Rans S-12. As I read the Rans Page, I would goto the Jab just to browse and I was always reading about overheating problems. Makes me feel a little better since I plan to order my Jab in the next few days. Don -------- Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx Apologies if I seem antagonistic. I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance in this thing we call life. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140516#140516 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: antenna stiffeners
From: "leinad" <leinad(at)hughes.net>
Date: Oct 17, 2007
I just installed the com antenna. I placed the antenna about 8 inches forward of the back of the luggage area on the top skin. This skin is very flimsy at this point. What have others done? My gut says it's too flimsy and should have a stiffener added. Dan Dempsey plans building 601XL -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140550#140550 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 17, 2007
From: Jaybannist(at)cs.com
Subject: antenna stiffeners
Dan, I added a 5" x 8" x .040 doubler under the skin. Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J "leinad" wrote: > >I just installed the com antenna. I placed the antenna about 8 inches forward of the back of the luggage area on the top skin. This skin is very flimsy at this point. What have others done? My gut says it's too flimsy and should have a stiffener added. > >Dan Dempsey >plans building 601XL > >-------- >Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140550#140550 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com>
Subject: antenna stiffeners
Date: Oct 17, 2007
Did you include the two crimped L angles that arch between the two upper front-to-rear L stiffeners? See pages 8-10 of this part of the photo assembly guide: www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-b-21c.pdf -- Craig ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Instrument Panel Access
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon(at)comcast.net>
Date: Oct 17, 2007
What kind of effect will those holes have on the integrity of the center spar? Has anyone given that consideration or better yet, structural analysis. Inquiring minds want to know. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140559#140559 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Matt & Jo" <archermj(at)swbell.net>
Subject: Re: antenna stiffeners
Date: Oct 17, 2007
I was not happy with my original location also. I ended up moving it and putting in a stiffener. You can check it out here. http://www.zodiacxl.com/Top%20Skin.htm Good luck Matt www.zodiacxl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "leinad" <leinad(at)hughes.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: Zenith-List: antenna stiffeners > > I just installed the com antenna. I placed the antenna about 8 inches > forward of the back of the luggage area on the top skin. This skin is > very flimsy at this point. What have others done? My gut says it's > too flimsy and should have a stiffener added. > > Dan Dempsey > plans building 601XL > > -------- > Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140550#140550 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: antenna stiffeners
From: "GLJSOJ1" <gljno10(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Oct 18, 2007
I MOUNTED MY AS FAR AFT IN THE BAGGAGE AREA AND ADDED A .040 PLATE TO IT AND CURVED IT TO MATCH. I ALSO ENDED UP PUTTING A ACCESS DOOR UNDER THE FUSELAGE, AND WITH THAT I WOULD HAVE PUT THE ANTENNAE OVER THAT AND NOT IN THE BAGGAGE AREA. STILL WORKS FINE GLENN -------- 601XL BUILDER ALMOST DONE CHESAPEAKE VA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140593#140593 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HermanMullis(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 18, 2007
Subject: BMW Motor Mounts?
My engine is arriving at the end of the month and i do not have a motor mount for it. Does anyone know where i can get the plans or buy a motor mount for the BMW on the Zodiac XL? i live in Germany and i tried CzAW, but they no longer make it. Many thx! HKM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "railridr dejazzd.com" <railridr(at)dejazzd.com>
Date: Oct 18, 2007
Subject: Flight Simulator files for CH701
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Date: Oct 18, 2007
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: steering thing a ma jiggy
Bryan and fellow Dudes; on locking the ailerons and elevator, take two tennis balls, preferably chewed and drooled on by the dog, drill hole through both balls. take cloths hangar trhough both balls. take a bungy cord from boat supply store, and string through each set of two balls. make knots on each end that are easily removable(half hitch or slip knot best) "refer to handy boyscout or girl scout handbook, depending on reader". walk to the back of the plane and in the gap between the falps and elevator slip the balls with cord through gap and slip the know tight. BAMMM! you have yourself a elevator/aileron stop. Whats nice you you move the steering structure, it flexes, preventing stress on wings and structure. The cost to you users is one cases of beer next time you see me at a fly in. Juan Vega ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling
Date: Oct 18, 2007
From: japhillipsga(at)aol.com
Ed, don't fly slower, just fly higher, Bill -----Original Message----- From: mosquito56 <mosquito-56(at)HOTMAIL.COM> Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 2:00 pm Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Jab3300 cooling I see alot of discussion concerning the cooling issues with the Jab3300. Is this a "Plane to hot to fly issue" or a "I want to cruise faster issue"? I am planning on ordering the Jab soon, however, I live in a very hot area and over 105 temps during the summer is normal. Will I be able to fly the jab here in my 601, or will I just have to slow down a little during hot periods? Don -------- Don Merritt KLRD Rans S-12 Flying not built Zodiac 601xl-Middle Fuse -Jab3300 on order Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140451#140451 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "robert stone" <rstone4(at)hot.rr.com>
Subject: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS
Date: Oct 18, 2007
Members, This message is to advise all of you who are using the Garmin Color 296 GPS and having trouble reading the screen because it is not light enough to compete with the sun. I have one of these units and trying to read it in bright sun light under a bubble or tear drop canopy is almost impossible. I just got off the phone with Garmin Electronics and there is a modification available for the 296 for a fee of $50.00. They will modify the unit to match the newer GPS units in light intensity so that they are more easily read. For those of you who are interested, here is the address to send your unit to for this modification. Garmin International 1200 East 151 Street Door 1, Olathe, Kansas, 66062 Bob Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: locking latch
From: "flyingmike9" <mlloyd9(at)csi.com>
Date: Oct 18, 2007
i have to apologize to CZAW as they had replied but there emails where forwarded to my spam folder without my knowledge i have had replies from them which includes pictures and help great stuff cheers Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140671#140671 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flight Simulator files for CH701
From: "kmccune" <kmccune(at)somtel.net>
Date: Oct 18, 2007
I have the 2004 701 files and I can't remember where I got them. But I know that I don't use them much because I have the X version and the plane won't land! The Savannah one works fine so I use that because its the same thing ;^). But I do hate the lack of a clear top on the Savannah....humph! Anyway I think I threw out the compressed files for the 701 ... I'll check and get back to you. Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140684#140684 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flight Simulator files for CH701
From: "kmccune" <kmccune(at)somtel.net>
Date: Oct 18, 2007
email me. -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140687#140687 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 18, 2007
Today I discovered that I need four AN316-5R nuts that are not included in the kit inventory. Aaargghhh. Fine. I'll buy them and keep moving forward... In order to save $$$ on "shipping & handling", I'd like to buy as much of the extra stuff as possible all at the same time. What do you know of that is needed to complete the 601XL airframe that is NOT included in the kit...? To start, 1) Four AN316-5R "jam nuts" as seen on 6-W-10 (yeah, I know that local hardware store nuts should be just fine for this specific application, but that's beside the point). 2) What else is missing that is needed to complete the airframe...? Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140697#140697 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 18, 2007
While in AZ, I had the opportunity to say "hi" to the nice people at http://www.silverskyaviation.com What a great group of people. I put in a couple hours of dual time with one of them in their Zodiac. I'd flown the red & white factory demo at the Zenith hanger in Mexico, Missouri during a Rudder Workshop - but just for a few minutes. Yesterday I was able to put some real world hands-on stick time on an XL. Impressions: On taxi'ing out to the run-up area, I noted the short coupled landing gear made for a tight turning radius. Acceleration upon takeoff with the 100hp Continental was brisk. Takeoff roll was short on the paved runway, and pattern altitude was attained about the time I was turning onto Downwind. Certainly could have done even better if I'd have been striving for Vy. Plane has a sensitive elevator. That's a wonderful thing when you're going slow, and is great for holding the nose up when you're gently dropping the mains upon landing. Requires a gentle touch at speed, but it's nothing that the average guy isn't going to get the hang of within a few minutes. It's not a big deal, and you shouldn't let that scare you one bit. Visibility out of the canopy is great. Really great. Nothing else I've ever flown even compares (except a Breezy). My first attempts at landing were way too fast. Slowing it way down to about 60 or so was much better. The XL is an easy airplane to land, and I got the feel for it quite quickly. We did some slow flight. With full flaps this plane will hover at about 38. Unreal, and I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it. That's Piper Cub range. Clean stalls were around 48. There was a stall warning buzzer that went off around 55 or so. Cruise speed was about 100. Also did some of the basic stuff - S turns, turns around a point, etc. It flew very well. Some guys a while back said "twitchy", but that's not exactly right. "Crisp" describes it better, if that makes any sense. Also, the aileron trim makes a huge difference. If it's out of trim, one wing will be very heavy. You'll notice it! The only time I was nervous was during some steep turns. Given that this was plane was "AMD serial number 1" and there were two pretty big guys in it, I didn't want to push it. It did have the wing replaced earlier due to previous damage, and during the preflight I checked that the rear attachment bolts looked tight. Obviously we were fine, so I'll leave it at that. Overall, I was very impressed with the aircraft. I'm 6'3" tall and had plenty of headroom. Never touched shoulders with the other guy, nor did I bump my headset on the canopy. I'll be doing a few things different in my own Zodiac that I'm building. The shoulder harness was too long, and I didn't like the flap switch. A couple inches of leg room would be nice. Otherwise, it was darn near a perfect setup for me. What a great way to get motivated for my own project :-) Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140702#140702 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: antenna stiffeners
From: "leinad" <leinad(at)hughes.net>
Date: Oct 18, 2007
Craig, Oops :( Thanks for reminding me. I knew about it at one point. Anyway I think I'll combine the crimped antenna support and a doubler under the skin like some others have done. Thanks for setting me straight. Luckily it wasn't riveted yet. Thank you to the others that replied too. Dan craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote: > Did you include the two crimped L angles that arch between the two upper > front-to-rear L stiffeners? See pages 8-10 of this part of the photo > assembly guide: > > www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6-b-21c.pdf > > -- Craig -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140707#140707 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 18, 2007
From: Ron Ellis <rge177(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Jab dual throttle
I talked to Pete today at USjabiru and he said that most folks with the upper angle on the firewall shelf, were running the throttle cable through the shelf like Jeff did. I asked how much I should worry about the cable entering the adjuster at an angle (happens at low throttle settings when cable is pulled) and he said not to worry about it. He said he isn't aware of any premature cable wear doing it like that. I'll probably install it that way, but add some fairlead to the shelf to keep the cable from rubbing on the side of the adjuster. If I end up with too much friction, then I may convert to a push rod system like Lance Gingell installed (by the way, excellent website Lance.) Thanks for all of the input, Ron 601XL-3300 >Ron, I installed my Jabiru 3300 about a year ago. >I bought it and the FWF about two years ago. So I >have parts of that vintage. The FWF came first by >several months. I have the dual throttle option. For >the center throttle cable I drilled a hole in >the "shelf" with no problems... Jeff >Davidson > I found a small issue with the Jab 601XL 3300 >firewall forward, dual throttle installation. It >looks like the dual throttle from USJabiru was >designed for the pre- 6B8-11 upper angle, and 6B8-10 >forward gusset on the 6B7-1 firewall top stiffener... __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 18, 2007
From: "Carlos Sa" <carlossa52(at)gmail.com>
Subject: nutplates spec
Hello, all I found this Alcoa site with detailed specs on fasteners - including nutplates: *http://tinyurl.com/2hn9zc * A useful tool for those like me that need to buy parts "in the dark" without ever having seen one "live". Cheers Carlos CH601-HD, plans ________________________________________________________________________________
From: mcr01steiner(at)mac.com
Subject: Re: BMW Motor Mounts?
Date: Oct 19, 2007
Hallo Herr Mullis, auf der website von takeoff ( http://www.takeoff-ul.de ) ist unter dem Menupunkt "Dreiachser" auf Seite 2 eine BMW Installation auf einer XL abgebildet. Haben Sie dort schon nachgefragt? Sonst k=F6nnte ich mit vorstellen das man bei Roland Aircraft Ihnen weiterhelfen k=F6nnte. ( http://www.roland-aircraft.de ). Freundliche Gr=FCsse Christoph Steiner Am 18.10.2007 um 10:37 schrieb HermanMullis(at)aol.com: > My engine is arriving at the end of the month and i do not have a > motor mount for it. > > Does anyone know where i can get the plans or buy a motor mount for > the BMW on the Zodiac XL? > > i live in Germany and i tried CzAW, but they no longer make it. > > Many thx! > HKM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Post language
From: "river1" <pedro(at)mycingular.blackberry.net>
Date: Oct 19, 2007
Engish is not my first language , I wouldn't post on any other , what good is that for the group in terms sharing info ? . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140725#140725 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve" <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Rudder Failure
Date: Oct 19, 2007
Has there ever been a rudder hinge failure on a Zenith ? I look at my 601 XL hinges and wonder. First airplane I ve seen with only two hinges..... If the lower fails you still have a chance, but, if the upper pulls off. so long......................... Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 19, 2007
From: LarryMcFarland <larry(at)macsmachine.com>
Subject: Re: Rudder Failure
Steve, The rather thick material isn't likely to wear or break over a very long period, but that's one item to look at during preflight inspection. A little spray lube wouldn't hurt either. I've never heard of a rudder being lost. A side-tilt canopy could possibly take one off if lost. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com steve wrote: > Has there ever been a rudder hinge failure on a Zenith ? > > I look at my 601 XL hinges and wonder. > > First airplane I ve seen with only two hinges..... > > If the lower fails you still have a chance, but, if the upper pulls > off. so long......................... > > Steve > * > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 19, 2007
From: The Keeners <kim.forest(at)surewest.net>
Subject: Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday
Reference to elevator - I like to call it "responsive". It just sounds better than "sensitive".... Can't wait to fly! FKeener, Rocklin, CA CH601XL - 2% done... ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl(at)avci.net>
Date: Oct 19, 2007
Thank you Bob! You folks on this forum are the greatest! How else could someone in a remote location benefit from the wisdom of so many other builders? Thanks! Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140778#140778 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com>
Subject: Re: Rudder Failure
Date: Oct 19, 2007
<<> That has happened. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: LarryMcFarland To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Rudder Failure Steve, The rather thick material isn't likely to wear or break over a very long period, but that's one item to look at during preflight inspection. A little spray lube wouldn't hurt either. I've never heard of a rudder being lost. A side-tilt canopy could possibly take one off if lost. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com steve wrote: > Has there ever been a rudder hinge failure on a Zenith ? > > I look at my 601 XL hinges and wonder. > > First airplane I ve seen with only two hinges..... > > If the lower fails you still have a chance, but, if the upper pulls > off. so long......................... > > Steve > * > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com>
Subject: Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday
Date: Oct 19, 2007
Was that cruise speed a typo. surely you did better than 100 mph. 100knts wouldn't even be to swift. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: PatrickW To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday While in AZ, I had the opportunity to say "hi" to the nice people at http://www.silverskyaviation.com What a great group of people. I put in a couple hours of dual time with one of them in their Zodiac. I'd flown the red & white factory demo at the Zenith hanger in Mexico, Missouri during a Rudder Workshop - but just for a few minutes. Yesterday I was able to put some real world hands-on stick time on an XL. Impressions: On taxi'ing out to the run-up area, I noted the short coupled landing gear made for a tight turning radius. Acceleration upon takeoff with the 100hp Continental was brisk. Takeoff roll was short on the paved runway, and pattern altitude was attained about the time I was turning onto Downwind. Certainly could have done even better if I'd have been striving for Vy. Plane has a sensitive elevator. That's a wonderful thing when you're going slow, and is great for holding the nose up when you're gently dropping the mains upon landing. Requires a gentle touch at speed, but it's nothing that the average guy isn't going to get the hang of within a few minutes. It's not a big deal, and you shouldn't let that scare you one bit. Visibility out of the canopy is great. Really great. Nothing else I've ever flown even compares (except a Breezy). My first attempts at landing were way too fast. Slowing it way down to about 60 or so was much better. The XL is an easy airplane to land, and I got the feel for it quite quickly. We did some slow flight. With full flaps this plane will hover at about 38. Unreal, and I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen it. That's Piper Cub range. Clean stalls were around 48. There was a stall warning buzzer that went off around 55 or so. Cruise speed was about 100. Also did some of the basic stuff - S turns, turns around a point, etc. It flew very well. Some guys a while back said "twitchy", but that's not exactly right. "Crisp" describes it better, if that makes any sense. Also, the aileron trim makes a huge difference. If it's out of trim, one wing will be very heavy. You'll notice it! The only time I was nervous was during some steep turns. Given that this was plane was "AMD serial number 1" and there were two pretty big guys in it, I didn't want to push it. It did have the wing replaced earlier due to previous damage, and during the preflight I checked that the rear attachment bolts looked tight. Obviously we were fine, so I'll leave it at that. Overall, I was very impressed with the aircraft. I'm 6'3" tall and had plenty of headroom. Never touched shoulders with the other guy, nor did I bump my headset on the canopy. I'll be doing a few things different in my own Zodiac that I'm building. The shoulder harness was too long, and I didn't like the flap switch. A couple inches of leg room would be nice. Otherwise, it was darn near a perfect setup for me. What a great way to get motivated for my own project :-) Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140702#140702 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rudder Failure
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona(at)suddenlink.net>
Date: Oct 19, 2007
That's more of a problem with the side-tilt canopy than the rudder. shilcom wrote: > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140795#140795 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona(at)suddenlink.net>
Date: Oct 19, 2007
That would be the slowest XL I've heard of. shilcom wrote: > Was that cruise speed a typo. surely you did better than 100 mph. 100knts wouldn't even be to swift. Bob U. > --- -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140796#140796 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flight Simulator files for CH701
From: "kmccune" <kmccune(at)somtel.net>
Date: Oct 19, 2007
Please re-email me, I got a new computer and the switch over didn't go as smooth as I thought. Yup I lost info and files :x Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140829#140829 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clive Richards" <s.c.richards(at)homecall.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 601 HD power VS speed
Date: Oct 20, 2007
Rolls Royce Contintal 0-200 80 Knots at 2300 RPM 20 litres per hour 2 POB Ray Lasniers 601HD G-CBDG 176 Hrs ----- Original Message ----- From: Woody sulloway To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:50 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601 HD power VS speed If you have a 601HD, what is it powered with and what is your cruise speed at 75% power? Any other factors that you believe might affect that speed? Thanks Woody ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: BMW Motor Mounts?
From: "SockPuppet61" <sockpuppet61(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 20, 2007
What BMW engines generate 100HP? It occurred to me that BMWs were so smooth in operation and durable that they would be the only motorcycle engine I'd think of for bolting on to a small airplane. Anyway, maybe the crankshaft isn't strong enough for air work, I'd like to hear from anybody flying one. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140883#140883 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jon Croke" <Jon(at)joncroke.com>
Subject: CH701 builders: another DVD volume is ready!
Date: Oct 20, 2007
HomebuiltHELP has just finished another video in the series for building your CH701. This newest release is titled: 912S Engine Installation and features the new dynafocal ring mount that is shipped with the latest Zenith firewall forward kit. It was filmed at the recent engine installation workshop conducted at Quality Sport Planes in Cloverdale Caifornia. It features a step by step demonstration of the firewall forward components and engine installation on the 701. Pictures and details can be found at http://homebuilthelp.com/CH701Rotax.htm An additional "bonus" DVD will be included with this release. We had the opportunity to interview Christopher Desmond, an experienced 701 bush pilot, as he discusses flying his 701. On the video, he performs a walk around on his plane, pointing out the features of the aircraft that allow him to perform the type of flying that has made the 701 famous. Also, because of the "extreme" nature of his off-airport back-country flying, his plane has some modifications which he discusses. Christopher has been filming his adventures and will be making a DVD of his own available soon. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve" <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Rudder failure
Date: Oct 20, 2007
I was asking about any rudder failures because there are only eight A 5 rivets that are in "tension" not shear holding the top hinges on..... I would think that an adhesive ( structural ) like J B Weld would be a good addition and for peace for my mind.... SW ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 20, 2007
From: GeorgeM <planelists(at)optonline.net>
Subject: Re: BMW Motor Mounts?
Hi SockPuppet61, Here are some interesting links for BMW engine: http://www.takeoff-ul.de/ - This is Wilfried Bleidiesel site. He sells BMW engines. And here is one of the guys who is flying it: http://www.spang-air.de/willkommen/BMW_Engine/bmw_engine.html Here is picture taken at Wilfried shop showing old and new prop shafts: http://www.propellers.us/misc/propshafts.JPG Hope all this info is what you looking for. George M. Westbury NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "SockPuppet61" <sockpuppet61(at)gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: BMW Motor Mounts? > > What BMW engines generate 100HP? > > It occurred to me that BMWs were so smooth in operation and durable that > they would be the only motorcycle engine I'd think of for bolting on to a > small airplane. > > Anyway, maybe the crankshaft isn't strong enough for air work, I'd like to > hear from anybody flying one. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140883#140883 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 20, 2007
From: David Downey <planecrazydld(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rudder failure
I would never even consider a rigid epoxy like that for that application, T he hinges are subject to peeling forces from the spar. If the basic design is not to your satisfaction, then maybe something like assembling with ProS eal 890 sealant would be an "improvement" as it is trememdously tough and l oves peel. In any case the proper cleaning amnd preparation of the aluminum is critical as the durability of the bond is pretty severely compromised d ue to corrosion issues - yes, even with 6061...=0A=0ADave Downey=0AHarleysv ille (SE) PA=0A100 HP Corvair=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom : steve =0ATo: zenith-list(at)matronics.com=0ASe nt: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:29:10 PM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Rudder fa ilure=0A=0A=0AI was asking about any rudder failures because there are only eight A 5 rivets that are in "tension" not shear holding the top hinges on .....=0AI would think that an adhesive ( structural ) like J B Weld would b =======================0A=0A___ o.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Eric Tiethoff" <j.e.tiethoff(at)hccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: BMW Motor Mounts?
Date: Oct 20, 2007
Did you ever wonder why there isn't any motorcycle with a Lycoming, Rotax or Jabiru- engine ? -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] Namens SockPuppet61 Verzonden: zaterdag 20 oktober 2007 18:58 Aan: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Onderwerp: Zenith-List: Re: BMW Motor Mounts? --> What BMW engines generate 100HP? It occurred to me that BMWs were so smooth in operation and durable that they would be the only motorcycle engine I'd think of for bolting on to a small airplane. Anyway, maybe the crankshaft isn't strong enough for air work, I'd like to hear from anybody flying one. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140883#140883 -- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. 1635 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rudder Failure
From: "Dave Nixon" <adnasap(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Oct 20, 2007
Is it possible to lose a rudder? I am sure that it is if a side canopy comes off and smashes thru it. But in flight, the rudder wants to stay in line with the fuselage and VERY little peddle is required to change the aircraft direction. Keeping these two hinge points as part of the pre-flight inspection is, in my mind, mandatory. However, dreading the rudder falling off is not even on my radar screen. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140903#140903 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com>
Subject: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS
Date: Oct 20, 2007
At that price I don't think they are replacing the LCD itself. I'm guessing they are replacing the LED backlight with brighter LEDs. Did they give any details? -- Craig ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 20, 2007
From: LarryMcFarland <larry(at)macsmachine.com>
Subject: Re: Rudder failure
Steve, Just because you can imagine the tension, you can also nearly feel the rivets letting go. That is a lot of wind, but seriously, you'd also be able to tell they were letting go by looking at the hinge fit. It would be very distorted and obviously impinging on rudder movement. If you drilled the right size holes for the right size rivet, I don't think you're going to live long enough to see them pull out. I wouldn't mess with the glue because you may have reason to salvage the rudder or the hinges one day. Of course, I didn't mean that you wouldn't live long for any reason, well, you know what I mean. Ha! Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com steve wrote: > I was asking about any rudder failures because there are only eight A > 5 rivets that are in "tension" not shear holding the top hinges on..... > I would think that an adhesive ( structural ) like J B Weld would be a > good addition and for peace for my mind.... > > SW > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flight Simulator files for CH701
From: "kmccune" <kmccune(at)somtel.net>
Date: Oct 20, 2007
I found the site for the Sim CH 701 file :D http://www.simviation.com/downloads.html Sorry for the wait. Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140919#140919 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Rudder Failure
Date: Oct 20, 2007
Hey Dave, I under stand what you are thinking about,you must remember the people that designed aircraft are engineers they don't Think what the strengh is ,they Know what it is !or at least I hope they do If you want to think about something.. take a look at that thin ass piece of break metal witl a couple of 1"flat bars at the top and bottom and it is called a Main Spar BUT it is enginnered for the 601 and there a lot of them flying.. Fly safe and dont worry It won' do any good any way.. Joe N101HD 601XL/RAM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Nixon" <adnasap(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rudder Failure > > Is it possible to lose a rudder? I am sure that it is if a side canopy > comes off and smashes thru it. But in flight, the rudder wants to stay in > line with the fuselage and VERY little peddle is required to change the > aircraft direction. Keeping these two hinge points as part of the > pre-flight inspection is, in my mind, mandatory. However, dreading the > rudder falling off is not even on my radar screen. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140903#140903 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LHusky(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 20, 2007
Subject: Dynon system with XL senders
I am wondering how the senders used in the XL fuel tanks work with the Dynon system? How accurate have you found them? I want to get the senders bent up, but if there is a different system for the Dynon's, I need to get them. Thanks for the info! Larry Husky 601XL / Corvair ________________________________________________________________________________
From: george may <gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Dynon system with XL senders
Date: Oct 20, 2007
Larry-- I'm using the senders supplied by Zenith and a Dynon 180 for the fuel inf o. I've had good luck with the combination. The readings appear to be reas onably accurate, especially at the low end. I also have the fuel flow opti on from Dynon. I would highly recommend it. I tend to use it more than the guages. If nothing else, it acts as a good cross check Good luck George May 601XL 912s 163 hours From: LHusky(at)aol.comDate: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:57:04 -0400Subject: Zenith-Li st: Dynon system with XL senders To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com I am wondering how the senders used in the XL fuel tanks work with the Dyno n system? How accurate have you found them? I want to get the senders be nt up, but if there is a different system for the Dynon's, I need to get th em. Thanks for the info! Larry Husky 601XL / Corvair See w _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LHusky(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 20, 2007
Subject: Re: Dynon system with XL senders
Great! I had forgot to ask about the fuel flow option. Thanks for the information. Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 20, 2007
naumuk(at)alltel.net wrote: > Did you buy a kit, or are you scratchbuilding? I'm building from component kits. Feel like I'm on the "home stretch" now with the Fuselage kit sitting in my garage... :D Zentith has been 100% accurate so far in packing what they say the pack, as there is a shipping list that is included with the individual parts checked off, which I double check. But in this case I don't think they intended to include the particular nuts, since they don't appear on the pick list. They're just simple "jam nuts", so I think I'll "home depot" them and press on. Thanks, Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140946#140946 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 20, 2007
shilcom wrote: > Was that cruise speed a typo. surely you did better than 100 mph. No, not a typo. I should have asked about the prop - I bet it was a "climb prop". Climb performance was pretty good, and I know that density altitude is an issue during the summer time in Arizona. I'll fly it again next time I'm in the area and find out some more. But it sure was a nice handling airplane, and I'd be happy with it. Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140947#140947 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Joemotis(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 20, 2007
Subject: OK 701 flyers, what does it really cruise at with your engine,weight
empty +mods ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 20, 2007
From: Jim and Lucy <jpollard(at)ciaccess.com>
Subject: Re: BMW Motor Mounts?
At 02:44 PM 10/20/2007, you wrote: > > >Did you ever wonder why there isn't any motorcycle with a Lycoming, Rotax or >Jabiru- engine ? > > I have not wondered this because it is untrue. Jim Pollard ch601 hds ea81 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 20, 2007
From: Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe
> > >I'm building from component kits. Feel like I'm on the "home >stretch" now with the Fuselage kit sitting in my garage... :D > >Zentith has been 100% accurate so far in packing what they say the >pack, as there is a shipping list that is included with the >individual parts checked off, which I double check. > >But in this case I don't think they intended to include the >particular nuts, since they don't appear on the pick list. They're >just simple "jam nuts", so I think I'll "home depot" them and press on. > >Thanks, > >Patrick >XL/Corvair Hi Patrick, I'm afraid I have some bad news for you. While ZAC does a fine job of producing its kits, they are not indeed complete enough to end up with a flying airplane when you finish using up the parts. One of the new skills I have learned building my XL is how to find and order proper aircraft grade materials and hardware. Perhaps this is a good time for you to start doing this as well. A good place to start looking is Aircraft Spruce which can be found on the web at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/ The jam nuts you want can be found under "hardware AN316". You will probably find they are less expensive for mil. spec. parts than your local hardware store is for junk steel parts. Alas, you will have to pay for shipping and the art of selecting a shipping method for any given order is part of the learning curve. I can't tell you exactly what needs you will have as you get closer to completion of your plane. I can tell you what sort of things I have run into as I finish the fuselage of mine. My most recent tasks have involved connecting the brake cylinders (from the kit) to the wheel calipers (also from the kit). To do this I designed a new fairing and nylon support to pass the brake line (which I also procured myself - I didn't like the quality of plastic used in the kit part supplied) through the cabin floor. This required finding bolts (AN3-4A) and nuts along with clamps (AN742-D4) to hold the line in place against the skin and grommets (AN931-4-7) to support the brake line as it passes through newly designed fairings for the rear of the main gear spring. I have also been working on a design for the place where the nose steering tie rods pass through the firewall. The drawings from ZAC leave this as an open wound in the firewall. I ordered some 4130 tubing from Aircraft Spruce (AKA "AS") that just fits over the threaded rod supplied in the kit and am working on welding a hook for a spring to hold my new flat 4130 piece in place on the front of the firewall. I am currently on a side track learning how to TIG weld the parts I want for the firewall. This is probably excessive since I already know how to weld with oxy/acetylene, but I wasn't happy with the work quality on such small parts. Again, this is all about learning new skills so I am happy with the diversion. The point I am trying to make is you will probably need to do many such things as you near completion of your plane. You certainly will need to deal with things like engine, instruments, and perhaps some arrangements to allow your annual inspections to go smoothly. If you follow the drawings you will need to stand on your head with your feet bumping into the canopy to look at the rudder pedals and brake cylinders on the cabin floor You may find all of this a fun challenge. If you feel stuck at any point you can always post a question on this list and you will surely get swift and useful answers. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage (Still nearing completion after 17 months on just the fuselage) . ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca>
Subject: Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe
Date: Oct 20, 2007
Gents, the home depot aviation dept is useful for such things as wood for forms and small non critical things, but when it comes to nuts and bolts PLEASE PLEASE only install AN hardware. The AN hardware is a superior manufacturing process with far stricter guide lines. Scrimp on lexan and paint but not on the things that hold your plane together, remember you would shutter at the thoughts of actually using POP rivets to hold your plane together opposed to Avex blind rivets. You should also feel the same shutter for using low grade nuts and bolts. Mark From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe But in this case I don't think they intended to include the particular nuts, since they don't appear on the pick list. They're just simple "jam nuts", so I think I'll "home depot" them and press on. Thanks, Patrick XL/Corvair 2:59 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca>
Subject: Hard Drive Failure
Date: Oct 21, 2007
Just to let a few of you know, recently I have suffered a hard drive failure in my server, this is causing me a lot of hardship in posting some replies and retrieving information. I hope to be fully recovered by next week. So if your waiting for a letter from me please be patient, if you do not hear from me by weeks end then please re-send your letter. Presently I am bound to my workshops laptop and blackberry for E-Mails. Mark Townsend Can-Zac Aviation 2:59 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: BMW Motor Mounts?
From: "secatur" <appraise1(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Oct 21, 2007
j.e.tiethoff(at)hccnet.nl wrote: > Did you ever wonder why there isn't any motorcycle with a Lycoming, Rotax or > Jabiru- engine ? > > > No. have you ever wondered why there were so many people in the world with an IQ in single figures? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. > 1635 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. > Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140971#140971 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: HermanMullis(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 21, 2007
Subject: Re: BMW Motor Mounts?
Dear SockPuppet61, The entire BMW R 1200 Boxer series, all produce over 100hp. That includes the GS, RT, and ST models. The R 1200 S model produces 122hp! These numbers are from the factory for the stock motorcycles. Of course, these engines are all fuel injected, dual ignition and the 1200 series motors have a second crank with counter weights to balance the drive shaft. The 1200 GS introduced in 2004, is the number one selling BMW bike and over 100,000 GS have been sold. BMW has made a name for itself in the famous Paris-Dakar motocycle race, which is one of the most gruelling and dangerous sporting events in the world, on both men and machines. i am not flying yet, but others have. Take Off BMW says they have produced 250 powerplants with the BMW, mostly on Trikes, but the biggest problem is the cost!!! Specially, with the dropping value of the dollar, all European exports to the USA are going to get very expensive for dollar holders. Which means the Rotax products are all going higher! Pardon the pun!! HKM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe
From: "haven" <haven(at)cfl.rr.com>
Date: Oct 21, 2007
Here is one source for parts. They have tabs for Tech Info, indicated with a little wrench, which gives you a lot of info about the items. I am not building yet, so I don't know about their service, but they are very active on VAF. J Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140976#140976 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Carl" <cgbrt(at)mondenet.com>
Subject: Re: Rudder failure
Date: Oct 21, 2007
SW, I added .040 doubler behind the spar and used eight 5/32 solid rivets. Overkill but peace of mind increased. 701/912 480 hours on floats. ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Rudder failure I was asking about any rudder failures because there are only eight A 5 rivets that are in "tension" not shear holding the top hinges on..... I would think that an adhesive ( structural ) like J B Weld would be a good addition and for peace for my mind.... SW ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: BMW Motor Mounts?
From: "SockPuppet61" <sockpuppet61(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 21, 2007
George M, HKM, Thanks for the links and other info. The BMW is particularly interesting for smaller aircraft in particular because of its weight / power. I believe it's likely that BMWs can handle more g-load (at least as much as some smaller aircraft airframes) than a auto motor. Events like Paris-Dakar jam substantial g-load on the motors. I suspected that the BMW might make a good conversion but hadn't heard of anyone doing it until now. Interesting that there are some 250 conversions, many of them flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140987#140987 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Adjusting landing lights (XL)
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl(at)avci.net>
Date: Oct 21, 2007
I'm wrapping up the install of the factory landing light kit just outboard of the last rib as shown in the drawings. I have had to mess around a lot with the lens to get it to slide in and out and am hoping to save myself some trouble in the future. Would those of you who installed the lights and are using them be kind enough to share in general terms how you ended up angling the lights so that I might pre-adjust them somewhat? I assume the inboard is for taxi and the outboard is aimed more for landing. Starting with the bulbs square with the backing plate, what did you have to do? Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140990#140990 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Extra stuff needed to complete the 601XL Airframe
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl(at)avci.net>
Date: Oct 21, 2007
The hardware kit that shipped with my kit included 7 jam nuts in total- I suspect you should have received them as Zenith is pretty good about sending everything you need for work called for in the drawings. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140991#140991 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 21, 2007
From: "Frank Derfler" <fderfler(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday
Actually.. I've been flying an AMD 601XL for exactly a year. On Tuesday I flew it back from its annual in Georgia to Marathon in the Florida Keys. It was about 5 hours in the air with one stop at Lakeland, FL for the old man. As far as the indicated airspeed, in general flying I often see indicated at 110-115 knots and I often see 100 knots. Tuesday was a 100 knot day... at 8500 feet with the ground temp at 92 and the density altitude in the stratosphere someplace. I had to be that high to scrape over the tops... and at one point Ft. Myers approach said "uh, three alpha mike .. barometer 2992." That was the controller's subtle way of asking me if I knew what altitude I was at. The Dynon reported about 9100'. Some cloud tops were higher. The little prop was turning and the fuel was burning, but the airspeed was quivering at 99 knots. I held the 0-200 to 2550 RPM, although I'm sure it would have been safe closer to the red line. The EGTs and CHTs were dandy. I just told him that I was clearing clouds and he said, "Maintain VFR". That's the right answer. My point is that discussion of indicated airspeed is silly without knowing every parameter of the flight. Density altitude is critical to the discussion. As one commentator indicated, as an old guy flyer it gives me great pleasure to be behind an 0-200. I can drop into any field in Florida and find somebody who knows the engine. I'm happy to report that the folks at AMD got me out of the annual in exactly 24 hours. I took off for the return flight exactly 24 hours from when I arrived. The LONGEST part of the exercise was backing up the Dynon prior to uploading the newest software rev. That took forever and we were pretty much afraid to touch anything while the Dynon was plugged into the laptop That's when we went to town and ate fried pork chops, okra, and black eyed peas. With cherry cobbler and banana pudding. Also, happy to report that the latest rev of the D-180 software completely cured the problem of the charging the internal backup battery. It works now. We replaced the non-skid strips and yes, the heat gun made it a piece of cake ... or pecan pie.. as the case may be. Oh, by the way, everyone seems to want to know about the AMD Patriot. Watch for it as a production airplane, with an option for floats, in early 2008. Pieces and parts from S. America.. customized and assembled for you by fine Georgia (USA) Craftsman. Engine by Lycoming... and proud of it. -- Frank Derfler -- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.com - Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM -Boaters get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at www.KEYSBOATER.com -For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday
Date: Oct 21, 2007
Frank- Do you have an early or current version of the Dynon? Software download problems aside, are you satisfied? Finally, are software upgrades free, as Dynon ads claim? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Derfler To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday Actually.. I've been flying an AMD 601XL for exactly a year. On Tuesday I flew it back from its annual in Georgia to Marathon in the Florida Keys. It was about 5 hours in the air with one stop at Lakeland, FL for the old man. As far as the indicated airspeed, in general flying I often see indicated at 110-115 knots and I often see 100 knots. Tuesday was a 100 knot day... at 8500 feet with the ground temp at 92 and the density altitude in the stratosphere someplace. I had to be that high to scrape over the tops... and at one point Ft. Myers approach said "uh, three alpha mike .. barometer 2992." That was the controller's subtle way of asking me if I knew what altitude I was at. The Dynon reported about 9100'. Some cloud tops were higher. The little prop was turning and the fuel was burning, but the airspeed was quivering at 99 knots. I held the 0-200 to 2550 RPM, although I'm sure it would have been safe closer to the red line. The EGTs and CHTs were dandy. I just told him that I was clearing clouds and he said, "Maintain VFR". That's the right answer. My point is that discussion of indicated airspeed is silly without knowing every parameter of the flight. Density altitude is critical to the discussion. As one commentator indicated, as an old guy flyer it gives me great pleasure to be behind an 0-200. I can drop into any field in Florida and find somebody who knows the engine. I'm happy to report that the folks at AMD got me out of the annual in exactly 24 hours. I took off for the return flight exactly 24 hours from when I arrived. The LONGEST part of the exercise was backing up the Dynon prior to uploading the newest software rev. That took forever and we were pretty much afraid to touch anything while the Dynon was plugged into the laptop That's when we went to town and ate fried pork chops, okra, and black eyed peas. With cherry cobbler and banana pudding. Also, happy to report that the latest rev of the D-180 software completely cured the problem of the charging the internal backup battery. It works now. We replaced the non-skid strips and yes, the heat gun made it a piece of cake ... or pecan pie.. as the case may be. Oh, by the way, everyone seems to want to know about the AMD Patriot. Watch for it as a production airplane, with an option for floats, in early 2008. Pieces and parts from S. America.. customized and assembled for you by fine Georgia (USA) Craftsman. Engine by Lycoming... and proud of it. -- Frank Derfler -- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.com - Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM -Boaters get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at www.KEYSBOATER.com -For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Eric Tiethoff" <j.e.tiethoff(at)hccnet.nl>
Subject: Re: BMW Motor Mounts?
Date: Oct 21, 2007
The airframe of the Zenairs can handle a g-load of +6. With a 100hp engine you can't sustain more than 3G. So what's the point of an engine that can handle more than this ? (Unless you taxiing the Paris-Dakar wth your aircraft). -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] Namens SockPuppet61 Verzonden: zondag 21 oktober 2007 16:46 Aan: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Onderwerp: Zenith-List: Re: BMW Motor Mounts? --> George M, HKM, Thanks for the links and other info. The BMW is particularly interesting for smaller aircraft in particular because of its weight / power. I believe it's likely that BMWs can handle more g-load (at least as much as some smaller aircraft airframes) than a auto motor. Events like Paris-Dakar jam substantial g-load on the motors. I suspected that the BMW might make a good conversion but hadn't heard of anyone doing it until now. Interesting that there are some 250 conversions, many of them flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=140987#140987 -- Mijn Postvak In wordt beschermd door SPAMfighter. 1635 spam-mails zijn er tot op heden geblokkeerd. Download de gratis SPAMfighter via deze link: http://www.spamfighter.com/lnl ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 21, 2007
From: LarryMcFarland <larry(at)macsmachine.com>
Subject: battery access
Hi guys, The construction journal put my batteries at 4 years, so this year one had to be replaced. Battery replacement and access seemed difficult as the 601s cabin width contradicts my 6-0 frame. A fetal position isnt good at my age, so perhaps a description is due for those who contemplate or are putting these batteries a foot or more behind the passenger seat for a balanced CG. The new battery was taken to the hangar. With the hangar door and canopy up, 3/8-inch wrenches were placed on the back shelf and a trouble light was set thru the pilot side. The seat backs were removed and a large foam-filled pillowcase was placed on each seat. Large foam-filled pillows make a full-width flat space thats near level with the console. Then, standing on the wing walk facing out, I carefully lowered my bottom over the side rail onto the foam pillow and pilots seat. I then laid back over the console onto the other side and twisted left to get both arms thru the seat bulkhead to the batteries. With tennis shoes and knees still hanging outside, it was tolerable! During construction, I placed my ground and contactor connections forward of the batteries to put the 4 cable connections in close proximity so without disconnecting, each battery can be lifted and rotated for removal. The battery hold-down bungee was removed and #1 battery was lifted from the box, rotated 180 degrees, and moved forward to a support tray between the battery box and the seat. There, the terminals were undone and the new battery was installed. Reconnect was easier and took half the time from this position. The reason I mention this, its easy to bust something trying to access to things forward and aft of the seats, but the pillows work really well and dampen the rib pain. So, if you do contemplate putting batteries back there consider little things that make them accessible and serviceable. Fly safe guys, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: george may <gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday
Date: Oct 21, 2007
Frank-- Don't know why it took so long for your upgrade on the Dynon. I just upg raded to the latest software on both my D100 and D180. The D180 took about 20 minutes to backup current software and about 1/2 to upload new software . The EFIS only too about 20 minutes to do the upload. George May 601XL 912s 164 hours Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:55:32 -0400From: fderfler(at)gmail.comTo: zenith-lis t(at)matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday Actually.. I've been flying an AMD 601XL for exactly a year. On Tuesday I flew it back from its annual in Georgia to Marathon in the Florida Keys. I t was about 5 hours in the air with one stop at Lakeland, FL for the old ma n. As far as the indicated airspeed, in general flying I often see indicated a t 110-115 knots and I often see 100 knots. Tuesday was a 100 knot day... a t 8500 feet with the ground temp at 92 and the density altitude in the stra tosphere someplace. I had to be that high to scrape over the tops... and at one point Ft. Myers approach said "uh, three alpha mike .. barometer 299 2." That was the controller's subtle way of asking me if I knew what altit ude I was at. The Dynon reported about 9100'. Some cloud tops were higher . The little prop was turning and the fuel was burning, but the airspeed w as quivering at 99 knots. I held the 0-200 to 2550 RPM, although I'm sure it would have been safe closer to the red line. The EGTs and CHTs were dan dy. I just told him that I was clearing clouds and he said, "Maintain VFR" . That's the right answer. My point is that discussion of indicated airspeed is silly without knowing every parameter of the flight. Density altitude is critical to the discuss ion. As one commentator indicated, as an old guy flyer it gives me great pleasur e to be behind an 0-200. I can drop into any field in Florida and find some body who knows the engine. I'm happy to report that the folks at AMD got me out of the annual in exact ly 24 hours. I took off for the return flight exactly 24 hours from when I arrived. The LONGEST part of the exercise was backing up the Dynon prior to uploading the newest software rev. That took forever and we were pretty much afraid to touch anything while the Dynon was plugged into the laptop That's when we went to town and ate fried pork chops, okra, and black eyed peas. With cherry cobbler and banana pudding. Also, happy to report that the latest rev of the D-180 software completely cured the problem of the charging the internal backup battery. It works n ow. We replaced the non-skid strips and yes, the heat gun made it a piece of ca ke ... or pecan pie.. as the case may be. Oh, by the way, everyone seems to want to know about the AMD Patriot. Watc h for it as a production airplane, with an option for floats, in early 2008 . Pieces and parts from S. America.. customized and assembled for you by f ine Georgia (USA) Craftsman. Engine by Lycoming... and proud of it. -- Frank Derfler -- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly ) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.co m - Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM-Boat ers get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at www.KEYSBOATER .com -For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve" <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: 601 XL
Date: Oct 21, 2007
I m installing the control cables in my 601 XL and have a problem with the trun buckles. Do the barrells have a right and left hand thread ? I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand threads. Am I wrong or did Zenith send me the wrong parts ?? Steve # 55 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: 601 XL
Date: Oct 21, 2007
They're right and left threads, but I couldn't tell you offhand which is which. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL I m installing the control cables in my 601 XL and have a problem with the trun buckles. Do the barrells have a right and left hand thread ? I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand threads. Am I wrong or did Zenith send me the wrong parts ?? Steve # 55 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5(at)comcast.net>
Subject: 601 XL
Date: Oct 21, 2007
They are designed so that you can turn the barrel one way to tighten, one way to loosen. They need both right and left. Gary Boothe Cool, CA 601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done, Tail done, wings done, working on c-section _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL They're right and left threads, but I couldn't tell you offhand which is which. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: steve <mailto:notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:16 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601 XL I m installing the control cables in my 601 XL and have a problem with the trun buckles. Do the barrells have a right and left hand thread ? I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand threads. Am I wrong or did Zenith send me the wrong parts ?? Steve # 55 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer1(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Jabiru Firewall Forward Installation Seminar
Date: Oct 21, 2007
Jabiru USA is hosting a Zenith Firewall Forward Installation Seminar 16-18 November 2007. Please visit http://www.usjabiru.com/zenithseminar.html for more information. Best regards, Mark ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Mikesell" <skyguynca(at)skyguynca.com>
Subject: Great software
Date: Oct 21, 2007
Ok, here is some pretty good software for the airplane mechanic or even the airplane hobbyist. It was $22 and I downloaded or you can get the cd. It is called the Mechanics toolbox @ http://www.mechanicsupport.com/TellMeMore1.html and after being a mechanic for my entire life, I find this a great single resource for anything. I have been playing with it for a week and still amazed at all the things I find in it. Example Fasternes listed by part number, type with their strengths broken down by shear, tension, wear, vibrations.......tons of info. I was looking for my Bendix mag book for our Cessna 206 with the big turbocharged Lycoming in it, out mag died and I could not find the parts list to order new points......guess what it was in the Mechanics Toolbox........guys check out the software. You can download it and check it out in Demo mode. I believe it is well worth the money. David Mikesell 230 Theresa Drive, #6 Cloverdale, CA 95425 209-224-4485 skyguynca(at)skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 22, 2007
From: David Downey <planecrazydld(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Great software
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Subject: Re: 601 XL
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com>
Date: Oct 22, 2007
The barrel end with the a notch going around it indicates the side with left hand threads. Good luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail and wings completed, fueslage almost done, engine next. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141070#141070 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 22, 2007
From: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft(at)itt.com>
Subject: 701 Rear Access Panel
CH701 builders, How have some of you added/modified the extra rear fuselage access panel? Where at? How big? etc... Pictures and links would be appreciated. Thanks, Keith CH701 -- 50% of rear fuselage N 38.9947 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' ***************************************************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporation. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. ******************************************************************* ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com>
Subject: Dynon system
Date: Oct 22, 2007
I've attached a picture showing the relative sizes of all the popular EFIS units: AFS, Dynon, GRT, MGL, BMA and Garmin. What is missing is the coming MGL Stratomaster Voyager which is about the size of the Garmin 600: about 10 by 7 inches. The image is from the "general" folder in the photos section of the Stratomaster's user group on Yahoo but the original was posted by Rick Mellor on the www.vansairforce. <http://www.vansairforce.net> net site. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stratomaster_users_group/ Here are links to each of the manufactures: AFS: http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/ Dynon: http://www.dynonavionics.com/ GRT: http://www.grtavionics.com/ MGL: http://stratomaster.com/ and http://www.mglavionics.co.za/ BMA: http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/ Garmin: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=153 -- Craig ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert(at)telkomsa.net>
Subject: Wing dent repair?
Date: Oct 22, 2007
'Mornin wing crafters! The spraypainter put a dent in my wing, outboard top skin, behind the spar, size of a dinner plate! Depth about 1 mm, metal streched I think. Does anyone know of a method to shrink it again?! to take the dent out? Many thanks, Dirk Piketberg SA ZU SUZ 701 (Wide body, dual stick) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 22, 2007
From: "Frank Derfler" <fderfler(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday
George asked if I'm happy with the Dynon, upgrades, and support. George, I'm very happy with the Dynon. Personally, I have a problem with the angle of attack indicator (see my Blog below for a movie) and can not recommend the AoA option, but otherwise it is superb. The online support is excellent. I have received responses to a question within an hour even on a weekend. They are open with their problems and solutions. Not only are the software upgrades free, they are easy. Bill asked why my software upgrade on the D-180 took so long. Bill, some of us are silly enough to want to backup the old software load just in case. That *Backup* takes forever, I have a feeling there is a mismatch between the block read and block transmission size going from the Dynon RAM thru the Dynon serial port and on through the laptop Serial-to-USB converter we were using. Blame it on the laptop converter. Yes, the upload of the new software is speedy and painless.. as long as you don't interrupt it in any way. (For Bill and others... the Dynon D-180 that I have (one year old) uses a serial RS-232 port. You can still find those serial ports on desktop computers, but they are rare on new laptops. So, you load a USB to serial converter (made in China by companies with wierd names that include Moon and Start or similar objects) into your laptop, cross your fingers, and hope you got all the cable connections right. Or, you just go out onto eBay and buy an old laptop with a serial port! (recommended!) ) Or, you bring a desktop PC to the plane or take the Dynon to the desktop. etc. etc. AMD went so far as to install a serial to USB converter into the airplane. I can get at the Dynon software port from the front panel USB plug (or is it a jack?.. who knows with USB!). I recommend bringing out either the serial connection or a USB connection to the panel! -- Frank Derfler -- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or (blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.com - Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM -Boaters get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at www.KEYSBOATER.com -For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 22, 2007
From: David Downey <planecrazydld(at)Yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Great software
I also immediately bought it and downloaded it (be warned, his end is slow - about 90 kb/sec). greta stuff.=0A=0AYou will have to install it to a sing le fixed PC with access to get the updates (software uses registry to allow updates) but then you can copy the folder onto a CD or thumb drive and car ry it with you with full functionality! Thanks for the tip Dave.=0A =0ADav e Downey=0AHarleysville (SE) PA=0A100 HP Corvair=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Debo Cox <sky_ranger161(at)yahoo.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@m atronics.com=0ASent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:26:02 PM=0ASubject: Re: Ze nith-List: Great software=0A=0A=0AHi David,=0A =0AThanks for the tip on the great software. I plopped down my $22 bucks really fast after checking out the demo. There's all kinds of great stuff in there - very useful. Thanks again for the referral.=0A =0ADebo Cox=0ANags Head, NC=0AScratchbuilt XL/Co =======================0A=0A___ o.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 601 XL
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com>
Date: Oct 22, 2007
Steve, Just curious, but all my turnbuckles came from ZAC put together, where each barrel had the required threaded forks or eyes already threaded in. This meant all the right threads were in the right holes. Did yours come as separate pieces? Just wondering. -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail and wings completed, fueslage almost done, engine next. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141148#141148 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve" <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: 601 XL
Date: Oct 22, 2007
All turn buckles were apart in the finish kit.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL > > Steve, > > Just curious, but all my turnbuckles came from ZAC put together, where > each barrel had the required threaded forks or eyes already threaded in. > This meant all the right threads were in the right holes. Did yours come > as separate pieces? Just wondering. > > -------- > David Gallagher > 601 XL, tail and wings completed, > fueslage almost done, engine next. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141148#141148 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve" <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Wing dent repair?
Date: Oct 22, 2007
I have used "dry ice" and shrunk the aluminum on my pontoon boat. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dirk Slabbert To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:30 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Wing dent repair? 'Mornin wing crafters! The spraypainter put a dent in my wing, outboard top skin, behind the spar, size of a dinner plate! Depth about 1 mm, metal streched I think. Does anyone know of a method to shrink it again?! to take the dent out? Many thanks, Dirk Piketberg SA ZU SUZ 701 (Wide body, dual stick) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Zenith-List : 0-235 fuel burn rate
Date: Oct 22, 2007
From: <Craig.Spainhower(at)exeloncorp.com>
Hopefully anyone building their own airplane is smart enough to do their own research rather than base their decisions on a lot of slanted opinions expressed on this list, but I have to call bullsh*t on this one. I have flown behind an 0-300 in my C-172 for several hundred hours and burn 7.5 gph in 75% power cruise. Flight training in a C-152 we planned for 6 gph but usually burned 5 - 5.5 gph, due to reduced power for maneuvering. At 75% cruise you can multiply the rated horsepower of your engine by .5 and be within +/- 5%. Unless you leave that red mixture knob mashed against the firewall all the time, you will burn the same amount of fuel for the HP developed regardless of what engine you use. Fuel injection and electronic ignitions can improve on that 10 - 15% at best. Unless of course you are using one of those special 100 mpg carburetors. Craig S. N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235, wiring in progress All- WW recommends the use of 100LL in his conversions. Therefore, the biggest savings isn't in the weight of the engine, but the weight of the fuel you have to drag around. I used to flight plan at 8gph when I was part owner of a C-152/O235. All (And recurring) burn data on a WW conversion is in the mid 5's. Figure 6 and you're still 25% less burn than an O-200/235. Stock tanks for an XL are 30 gal @ 6lbs per gal. Around 50lbs of built in dead weight for the O-235. Figure a fraction less for the O-200. ----------------------------------------- ************************************************** This e-mail and any of its attachments may contain Exelon Corporation proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to the Exelon Corporation family of Companies. This e-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout. Thank You. ************************************************** ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 601 HD power VS speed
From: "eedetail" <eedetail(at)qwest.net>
Date: Oct 22, 2007
80 HP Rotax 912UL. 105 mph TAS at about 4900 rpm, 4.7 gph (I figure 5gph) Note that factory says 75% power at 8000 feet is 5800 rpm, full throttle. Ivo inflight adjustable 3 blade prop, I will be adding a MAP gage, so more experimentation is in order. TimE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141189#141189 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 22, 2007
From: Jim Burt <jim.burt(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: CH 701 Cruise
Could the CH 701 drivers on this forum give me some idea of cruise speed. I'm thinking (dreaming) of an occasional cross country and would like to get some planning numbers. Also whether equipped with 912 / 912S, or 2200 / 3300 Jabiru. Thanks, Jim ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com>
Subject: RE: 701 Rear Access Panel
Date: Oct 22, 2007
Keith: Am building the 701 from kit. Today I cut the rear access panel into the bottom of the fuselage. Has been planned for some time, finally getting to it as I wanted to run my rudder light and trim tab wires down through a tube to the front of the fuselage. Before cutting the hole I did call Roger at Zenith this morning. Wanted to made absolutely sure that the removing of the bottom skin would not weaken the fuselage at that point. The only recommendation he made was to make sure and surround the opening with "L" or "Z" angle to put back some support for the area. I actually cut and fitted some "U" channel that was 3/4 X 3/4 and it worked out very nice. I am fitting the opening with a cover plate that will be attached by 10 screws and nut plates. For strength I am doing an inverted install of the cover plate, that is the "U" channel outlines the opening in the skin. The cover plate will actually be fastened beyond the "U" channel in all directions, and fit between the longerons that run down the corner of the fuselage. Hope that makes sense. Should make a very neat and finished looking job when it is done. Tomorrow I am going to drill and install the nut plates and hopefully then rivet all the pieces into place. Incidentally, I am going to use a "flat" surface for setting the rivets in the support brackets as they will be under the cover plate and I though the normal "dome would probably be just a bit to high. I will be doing pictures probably tomorrow and would be happy to send some along for you to see if you wish. Take care, George ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com>
Subject: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS
Date: Oct 22, 2007
Well I called Garmin about this and got a different story. About two and half years ago Garmin started using a new display. The upgrade to the new display is actually a swap of the whole product and the price is $250. I believe they can tell whether your unit has the old or new display based on the serial number. The support guy characterized the new display as "better" than the old. If anyone actually gets some type of upgrade for $50 I'd love to hear about it. -- Craig _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert stone Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS Members, This message is to advise all of you who are using the Garmin Color 296 GPS and having trouble reading the screen because it is not light enough to compete with the sun. I have one of these units and trying to read it in bright sun light under a bubble or tear drop canopy is almost impossible. I just got off the phone with Garmin Electronics and there is a modification available for the 296 for a fee of $50.00. They will modify the unit to match the newer GPS units in light intensity so that they are more easily read. For those of you who are interested, here is the address to send your unit to for this modification. Garmin International 1200 East 151 Street Door 1, Olathe, Kansas, 66062 Bob Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 601XL Fuel System Ponderings
From: "lwhitlow" <ldwhitlow(at)comcast.net>
Date: Oct 22, 2007
Ok , I've got the all of the tail, control surfaces, flap and wings built, and I'm currently working on the aft fuselage. I always like to think about things down the road and this one has me second guessing myself. I plan to install a Jabiru 3300 and when I built the wings I put a Facet fuel pump in each wing between NR 2 and 3. I can inspect the pump and the fuel lines via the access hole shown on the plans. R&R is possible without opening up the LE but it would not be a lot of fun. A few issues have popped to mind 1. By the time I get this 700+ pounds of aluminum in the air, the fuel lines (rubber from the kit) installed in the wings will be 4 years old. Should I consider something else??? Maybe Braided Steel like on a higher performance auto engine??? I should note I have not final riveted the LE skin yet, so access would be easy right now. I plan to fill the tanks with fuel and run the pumps before I rivet the LE to check for leaks and to verify good operation of the Facet pumps. 2. I plan to put a inline filter on each tank on the inside of the cabin just after the a fitting in the skin coming from the tank. Makes for easy inspection and replacement as necessary. Good Idea??? Bad Idea??? 3. What is the shelf life of the fuel line that comes with the kit??? How long does it last in service???? I an planning to use metal lines in the cabin, so the only rubber lines are in the wing right now. 4. I really don't like the gascolator poking through the floor of the cabin. I've seen pics of other's mounting it on the firewall with only the QD valve exposed. Thoughts???? Thats enough for now But my next question involves eliminating all steam gauges and only installing a Dynon EMS and EFIS but thats a whole 'nother bag of worms [Shocked] Thanks Larry Whitlow 601XL in Indiana Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141237#141237 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 701 propellers
From: "SockPuppet61" <sockpuppet61(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 22, 2007
There's a propeller manufacturer that does an in-flight adjustable propeller. I'm not sure if it's electric or what -- it's not the hydraulic kind requiring oil from the engine. Maybe more than one manufacturer has such propellers. Anyone have experience with them? Positive? Negative? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141246#141246 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 601XL Fuel System Ponderings
Date: Oct 23, 2007
1. The Facet pumps need to be connected with some kind of flexible line due to vibration issues. The same is true of the connection between the firewall and engine. The neoprene lines will eventually have to be replaced, so make sure they are accessible. Braided steel lines are probably overkill for use inside the wings. Braided steel may help protect the lines from the heat in the engine compartment, but so will putting fire-sleeve over the rubber lines for a lot less money. 2. I would put the filter downstream from the gascolator so any water in the lines will end up in the gascolator bowl instead of the filter. Putting the filters downstream from the pumps is a good idea, it will reduce the likelihood of vapor lock. 4. the fuel lines should slope downhill all the way to the gascolator and then uphill to the engine. That way any water in the lines will naturally tend to drain into the bowl and not get trapped in the lines. As long as the gascolator is at the lowest point in the fuel system, you should be OK. > > I plan to install a Jabiru 3300 and when I built the wings I put a > Facet fuel pump in each wing between NR 2 and 3. I can inspect the > pump and the fuel lines via the access hole shown on the plans. R&R > is possible without opening up the LE but it would not be a lot of > fun. A few issues have popped to mind > > 1. By the time I get this 700+ pounds of aluminum in the air, the > fuel lines (rubber from the kit) installed in the wings will be 4 > years old. Should I consider something else??? Maybe Braided Steel > like on a higher performance auto engine??? I should note I have > not final riveted the LE skin yet, so access would be easy right > now. I plan to fill the tanks with fuel and run the pumps before I > rivet the LE to check for leaks and to verify good operation of the > Facet pumps. > > 2. I plan to put a inline filter on each tank on the inside of the > cabin just after the a fitting in the skin coming from the tank. > Makes for easy inspection and replacement as necessary. Good > Idea??? Bad Idea??? > > 3. What is the shelf life of the fuel line that comes with the > kit??? How long does it last in service???? I an planning to use > metal lines in the cabin, so the only rubber lines are in the wing > right now. > > 4. I really don't like the gascolator poking through the floor of > the cabin. I've seen pics of other's mounting it on the firewall > with only the QD valve exposed. Thoughts???? > -- Bryan Martin N61BM, CH 601 XL, RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com>
Subject: Re: 701 propellers
Date: Oct 23, 2007
IVO and others do this. IVO had some "growing pains" at first with slip rings and others, but seem to be OK now. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: SockPuppet61 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:28 AM Subject: Zenith-List: 701 propellers There's a propeller manufacturer that does an in-flight adjustable propeller. I'm not sure if it's electric or what -- it's not the hydraulic kind requiring oil from the engine. Maybe more than one manufacturer has such propellers. Anyone have experience with them? Positive? Negative? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141246#141246 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: XL Wing Root/Tip Shaping
From: "dfmoeller" <dfmoeller(at)austin.rr.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2007
Here's a quick question for those that have BT/DT. Its been suggested to make a paper template of the contours of the wing skin root and end. Easy enough to do; but do the tabular values on 6W9 represent a plan view of the 3 dimensional wing or the curve, as laid out on a flat wing skin? If the latter, the template method is easy. If the former, this is kind of tricky. How have others accomplished this task? Thanks, Doug Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141281#141281 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pretty sure this is a 701. Great example of STOL
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona(at)suddenlink.net>
Date: Oct 23, 2007
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yn2jET1dcPY -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141282#141282 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" <a.s.elliott(at)cox.net>
Subject: Fuel Hose Options
Date: Oct 23, 2007
Folks: IMHO, it is possible to put together a reliable fuel system using rubber hose, but I would not do it using the SAE J30R7 type hose and worm type hose clamps that Zenith provides with the kit. I am replacing that hose with the modern J30R9 type Teflon-lined fuel injection hose, which is designed for the higher pressures and higher temperatures associated with modern automotive fuel systems. I am also replacing the clamps with screw clamp units sized specifically for that hose (web search for "fuel injection hose clamps"). These hoses easily go car lifetimes in the engine compartments there. As you might expect, this stuff costs quite a bit more (maybe 3X more?) than the lower-spec parts, but still less (maybe 1/4 as much?) than aircraft hoses. And it retains the relative ease of length-sizing, installation and maintenance of rubber hoses. If you fire-sleeve or otherwise protect the hoses in the engine compartment, IMHO you can get an equivalently safe system. As always, you have a choice as the builder. In my case, I have chosen to go for regular inspection and replacement (possible because of the lower cost and ease of maintenance) instead of total "invulnerability". FWIW, Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ N601GE (reserved) 601XL/TD/QB, Corvair, building... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GLENN JOHNSON <gljno10(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: XL Wing Root/Tip Shaping
Date: Oct 23, 2007
HI DOUG WHEN I DID MINE I MARKED THE SKIN WITH X, Y COORDINATES AND MARKED THEM, TH EN LAID A STIFF ROPE TO GET A GOOD GENTLY CURVE. THE WING TIP IS PERFECT , THE ROOT IS IN QUESTION. MY SUGGESTING IS TO LEAVE A LITTLE ON THE ROOT UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO SLIDE THE WINGS IN AND TRIM AS NEEDED TO GET A GOOD GAP ALL THE WAY AROUND > Subject: Zenith-List: XL Wing Root/Tip Shaping> From: dfmoeller(at)austin.rr .com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:47:35 -0700> To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com> > > Here's a quick question for those that have BT/DT.> > Its been suggeste d to make a paper template of the contours of the wing skin root and end. E asy enough to do; but do the tabular values on 6W9 represent a plan view of the 3 dimensional wing or the curve, as laid out on a flat wing skin? If t he latter, the template method is easy. If the former, this is kind of tric ky. > > How have others accomplished this task?> > Thanks,> > Doug> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php? ======================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 601XL Fuel System Ponderings
From: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2007
The 640 and the CH2000 spec the same type hose. For the CH2000, they give a 5 year life limit on the hoses. In my 640 I changed everything from the tanks to the firewall to aluminum lines. Fairly easy, cheap, and no life limit. I really didn't want to mess with having to change out the hoses every 5 years. I would be surprised if vibration from a well secured fuel pump is significant enough to require flexible hose, but I really don't know. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141325#141325 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phil Maxson <pmaxpmax(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Fuel Hose Options
Date: Oct 23, 2007
The pressurized side of my fuel system (past the fuel pumps) have all been done with Earl's Performance Plumbing Auto-Flex stainless steel braid reinf orced synthetic rubber hose, with AN6 Hardware. More info here: ( http://w ww.holley.com/division/Earls.asp#17 ). I purchased it all from Summit Raci ng ( http://summitracing.com/ ). For the last two years, I've been flying with the gravity side of the fuel system using the rubber hoses supplied by Zenith. I took the wings off to bring the plane home from the airport for other upgrades, and decided to upgrade the fuel lines in the wings, so the entire system will be the same, higher quality stuff. The rubber hose sup plied by Zenith still looks good, and there were no problems before.Phil Ma xson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey From: a.s.elliott(at)cox.netTo: zenith-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List: Fuel Hose OptionsDate: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:37:49 -0700 Folks: IMHO, it is possible to put together a reliable fuel system using rubber ho se, but I would not do it using the SAE J30R7 type hose and worm type hose clamps that Zenith provides with the kit. I am replacing that hose with the modern J30R9 type Teflon-lined fuel injec tion hose, <> _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 23, 2007
From: "Dave Nixon" <adnasap(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Right and Left Hand Turnbuckles
I saw on the CH601XL plans for the adjustable turnbuckles for the elevato r to mounted at the elevator horn on the dual stick configuration between t he seats. How gross is that? The bottom one would never be accessed without a 5 year old's size hands in a contortionist position. So I ordered from Aircraft Spruce the correct threaded turnbuckle eye (P/N AN 170-22RS Cabl e Eye) and installed my adjustable elevator turnbuckle just above and sligh tly aft of my rear bottom access hole. Not only is it easier to adjust and safety wire (Single Spiral with .041 wire) but I can check cable tension right there and make adjustments in the future as necessary. I am using Push/Pull control rods for the ailerons. Each rod has a right hand and left hand threaded fitting and jam nut for minute adjustment. T hat way, if one of my ailerons is out I can bring it back in with minimal eff ort Once locked, it will stay for ever. Hope this helps someone out. Dave Nixon CH 601XL N107R (90% Done / 90% To Go) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 23, 2007
From: John Davis <johnd@data-tech.com>
Subject: Jab Dual Throttle Setup issue
Hi All, I just got my dual throttle setup installed per the Jabiru USA instructions and have an issue with the roughness in throttle movement when the throttles are firewalled. The throttle cable has to bend when its firewalled as the arms on the bar mounted on the firewall shelf tilt down in this position and this causes alot of stiffness and roughness when pushing the throttles that far in. I havent hooked up the middle cable to the carby yet so this friction is just from the two throttle cables. Any suggestions for improving the movement here ? Can I just grease the cables ? Thanks, John Davis Burnsville, NC 601XL - Jab 3300 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 701 propellers
From: "Dave Nixon" <adnasap(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Oct 23, 2007
For those using the 3300A engine, IVOP is NOT recommended. IVOP is a electric, in-flight adjustable system. My buddy has one on his CH601HDS with a Subaru engine with a Propeller Gear Reduction Unit. His Subaru is water cooled with the radiator hanging out into the slip stream below his cowl. Does not rely on the prop for cooling air. The IVOP unit, upon closer examination, has no wind generation capability within 12 -14inches from the hub. The propeller base is round and not shaped for air generation. The 3300 A needs that forced air into the cowling for cylinder head cooling especially for ground taxiing. Don't know how it affects other engines needing similar cooling. But Pete from JabiruUSA was quite clear about that during recent engine install workshop. Dave Nixon CH601XL 90/90 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141350#141350 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 601XL Fuel System Ponderings
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2007
What's the lifetime of the braided steel hose..? Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141353#141353 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 23, 2007
From: Jim <aspen1150(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: XL Wing Root/Tip Shaping
I just made a heavy paper template from the plans, it worked fine. N105JT dfmoeller wrote: Here's a quick question for those that have BT/DT. Its been suggested to make a paper template of the contours of the wing skin root and end. Easy enough to do; but do the tabular values on 6W9 represent a plan view of the 3 dimensional wing or the curve, as laid out on a flat wing skin? If the latter, the template method is easy. If the former, this is kind of tricky. How have others accomplished this task? Thanks, Doug Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141281#141281 __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Right and Left Hand Turnbuckles
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona(at)suddenlink.net>
Date: Oct 23, 2007
Dave, do you have any photos or drawings of how you modified for push/pull rods. Dave Nixon wrote: > > I am using Push/Pull control rods for the ailerons. Each rod has a right hand and left hand threaded fitting and jam nut for minute adjustment. That way, if one of my ailerons is out I can bring it back in with minimal effort. Once locked, it will stay for ever. > > Hope this helps someone out. > > Dave Nixon > CH 601XL N107R > (90% Done / 90% To Go) > -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141357#141357 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 23, 2007
From: Leo Gates <leo(at)zuehlfield.com>
Subject: Re: 701 propellers
For the Rotax 912UL my 2 blade Magnum Ivoprop works GREAT. I have a Rotax radiator mounted inside the unmodified Zenith HDS cowling, behind the engine and just forward of the firewall. My Rotax oil cooler is mounted on the front of the engine per Zenith bracket and instructions. I have to taxi 1/2 mile to the end of the runway from my hangar. On a 100 degree Texas summer day the oil temp gets up to 200 and water temp to 210 . I am very pleased with the prop. Leo Gates N601Z Dave Nixon wrote: > > For those using the 3300A engine, IVOP is NOT recommended. IVOP is a electric, in-flight adjustable system. My buddy has one on his CH601HDS with a Subaru engine with a Propeller Gear Reduction Unit. His Subaru is water cooled with the radiator hanging out into the slip stream below his cowl. Does not rely on the prop for cooling air. > > The IVOP unit, upon closer examination, has no wind generation capability within 12 -14inches from the hub. The propeller base is round and not shaped for air generation. The 3300 A needs that forced air into the cowling for cylinder head cooling especially for ground taxiing. Don't know how it affects other engines needing similar cooling. But Pete from JabiruUSA was quite clear about that during recent engine install workshop. > Dave Nixon > CH601XL > 90/90 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 23, 2007
From: Tracy <pbuttles(at)charter.net>
Subject: 801 flaperon setting
does anyone know if the o\b flaperon is to be set even with a straight edge along the top of the wing as it says in the setup sheet or an 8 mm gap as it says in the assembly manual also looking for anyone who need builder assitance on there 801,701,601,or others ,i do sheet metal work ,tube and fabric,basic structure or complete,located in ne wi, 20.oo an hour shop rate,or we can talk total package price Tracy Buttles ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "wade jones" <wjones(at)brazoriainet.com>
Subject: Reklaw
Date: Oct 23, 2007
Hello group ,are any of the flyers in the Texas area planning to make the Reklaw fly-in this weekend . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LHusky(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 23, 2007
Subject: 601XL steps
Just wondered if there is anyone out there with a set of steps that came with your kit, that you did not use. I am going to order a set here in the next few weeks, but thought that I would try the list first. I bought a set awhile back, but the rivet holes are really big. I do not weld, so I am at the mercy of buying the welded parts. Let me know! Larry Husky 601XL / Corvair ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com>
Subject: 601XL steps
Date: Oct 23, 2007
You could bolt them. Or if Zenith made them wrong then ask for replacements. -- Craig _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LHusky(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL steps Just wondered if there is anyone out there with a set of steps that came with your kit, that you did not use. I am going to order a set here in the next few weeks, but thought that I would try the list first. I bought a set awhile back, but the rivet holes are really big. I do not weld, so I am at the mercy of buying the welded parts. Let me know! Larry Husky 601XL / Corvair _____ See w ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Corvair Crank tap
Date: Oct 23, 2007
All- I seem to be SOL. Two of the tapped holes of my crank won't accept the hybrid studs, and I have to chase them. Anyone know where to get an 11/32-24 tap? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 23, 2007
From: LarryMcFarland <larry(at)macsmachine.com>
Subject: Re: Jab Dual Throttle Setup issue
John, I had the same difficulty with the cable end moving around a radius and resolved most of it by adding a link that stays straight with the cable but allows the link full travel. You'll have to study the linkage shown in the image below. This will leave you with a much smaller amount of sweep thru the firewall and you'll be less likely to break the end fitting. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/controllinkages/full/throttlelink.gif Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com John Davis wrote: > > Hi All, > > I just got my dual throttle setup installed per the Jabiru USA > instructions and have an issue with the roughness in throttle movement > when the throttles are firewalled. The throttle cable has to bend when > its firewalled as the arms on the bar mounted on the firewall shelf > tilt down in this position and this causes alot of stiffness and > roughness when pushing the throttles that far in. I havent hooked up > the middle cable to the carby yet so this friction is just from the > two throttle cables. > > Any suggestions for improving the movement here ? Can I just grease > the cables ? > > Thanks, > John Davis > Burnsville, NC > 601XL - Jab 3300 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LHusky(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 23, 2007
Subject: Re: 601XL steps
I bought them from someone on the list. I have actually thought about buying some A6 rivets. I think that they would work. Bolts would work, but would not look the best. They do not cost that much, so I might go with new. Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 23, 2007
From: <dredmoody(at)cox.net>
Subject: 601XL steps
How big are the rivet holes? Blind rivets are available in lots of sizes. Dred ---- Craig Payne wrote: > You could bolt them. Or if Zenith made them wrong then ask for replacements. > > -- Craig > > _____ > > From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LHusky(at)aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:23 PM > To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL steps > > > Just wondered if there is anyone out there with a set of steps that came > with your kit, that you did not use. I am going to order a set here in the > next few weeks, but thought that I would try the list first. I bought a set > awhile back, but the rivet holes are really big. I do not weld, so I am at > the mercy of buying the welded parts. Let me know! > > Larry Husky > 601XL / Corvair > > > > _____ > > See w > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: XL Wing Root/Tip Shaping
From: "dfmoeller" <dfmoeller(at)austin.rr.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2007
So, from the above responses, it sounds (if I'm interpreting this correctly) that the first responder laid out his curve on the skin as installed on the wing. The second responder laid out his curve on the flattened skin (or the same thing since the paper method duplicates the results of trimming before installing the skin). Sounds like both produced acceptable results although I'm not clear why. These two interpretations would not yield equivalent curves. Maybe I should just ask Zenith what was intended. Doug Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141399#141399 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 23, 2007
From: Jaybannist(at)cs.com
Subject: Re: XL Wing Root/Tip Shaping
Doug, I laid out the curve on paper. I laid the paper on the in-place skin and traced the curve. Paper WILL bend to the bowed skin and the results are just as though the skin was flat. There is no difference here. Jay in Dallas "dfmoeller" wrote: > >So, from the above responses, it sounds (if I'm interpreting this correctly) that the first responder laid out his curve on the skin as installed on the wing. The second responder laid out his curve on the flattened skin (or the same thing since the paper method duplicates the results of trimming before installing the skin). > >Sounds like both produced acceptable results although I'm not clear why. These two interpretations would not yield equivalent curves. > >Maybe I should just ask Zenith what was intended. > >Doug > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141399#141399 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv(at)ritternet.com>
Subject: Re: XL Wing Root/Tip Shaping
Date: Oct 23, 2007
I would bet that no one at ZAC really knows except whoever originally did the measurements or calculations for the dimensions on the plans, and that the difference is probably negligible for practical purposes. I remember doing mine curved in place and don't recall checking what the difference would be if doing it flat. In fact, without looking again at the plans, as I recall, the way the dimensions are given it would not make any difference if flat or curved. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dfmoeller" <dfmoeller(at)austin.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: XL Wing Root/Tip Shaping > > So, from the above responses, it sounds (if I'm interpreting this > correctly) that the first responder laid out his curve on the skin as > installed on the wing. The second responder laid out his curve on the > flattened skin (or the same thing since the paper method duplicates the > results of trimming before installing the skin). > > Sounds like both produced acceptable results although I'm not clear why. > These two interpretations would not yield equivalent curves. > > Maybe I should just ask Zenith what was intended. > > Doug > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141399#141399 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair Crank tap
From: "leinad" <leinad(at)hughes.net>
Date: Oct 23, 2007
Bill, The way I did mine was to re-tap all the holes for standard 3/8 fine thread and then used standard AN hardware. I know this is contrary to William Wynne's recommendation as he says it's very difficult to get the holes straight when tapping but the way I solved that problem was to make a jig which is a round piece of aluminum with the same bolt pattern as the crank end, and a pilot that fit the crank end. The hole sizes in the jig were in pairs. Two were a snug fit on the 11/32 bolts. 2 were the size of the tap drill for the 3/8 fine thread. 2 were sized to guide the tap, a little smaller than 3/8. I bolted the jig on using 2 of the 11/32 bolts. And drilled out 2 holes the tap drill size for the 3/8 bolts. I unbolted the jig and turned it so that I could then tap the first 2 to 3/8 fine. After the first 2 holes I opened up the 11/32 holes in the jig to 3/8 and from there used 3/8 bolts to hold the jig. The jig has to be accurately drilled. I drilled mine on a milling machine and a rotary table. It might even work to make the jig with all the holes one size if you can find bushings to size it down for various sizes required. But that idea was hind sight. Dan plans building 601XL [quote="naumuk(at)alltel.net"]All- I seem to be SOL. Two of the tapped holes of my crank won't accept the hybrid studs, and I have to chase them. Anyone know where to get an 11/32-24 tap? Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa > [b] -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141413#141413 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JG" <vgstol(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: Pretty sure this is a 701. Great example of STOL
Date: Oct 24, 2007
Nope, that's a Savannah. JG ----- Original Message ----- From: Gig Giacona To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:06 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Pretty sure this is a 701. Great example of STOL http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yn2jET1dcPY -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141282#141282 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Horn Clearance?
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon(at)comcast.net>
Date: Oct 23, 2007
Mine touched the flange, so I moved the flange locally. Have about 3mm clearance now. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141429#141429 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Corvair Crank tap
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon(at)comcast.net>
Date: Oct 23, 2007
Bill, If you have the bolts, cut groove in one and use it as the chaser. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141436#141436 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Danny Offill" <doffill(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Reklaw
Date: Oct 23, 2007
I plan to attend Saturday and maybe camp out Saturday night. Danny -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of wade jones Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:14 PM To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: Reklaw Hello group ,are any of the flyers in the Texas area planning to make the Reklaw fly-in this weekend . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pretty sure this is a 701. Great example of STOL
From: "moorecomp" <moorecomp(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 23, 2007
Nope, 701 - Savannah does not have jury struts, the one in the vid does. Craig Moore Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141452#141452 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JG" <vgstol(at)bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: Pretty sure this is a 701. Great example of STOL
Date: Oct 24, 2007
Yes, Savannah VG does have jury struts, just like the airfoil one in the video. Just one on each forward strut. Here's a copy of the original post on the Savannah forum on Yahoo, Wed, Oct 10: URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn2jET1dcPY tom No tricks folks, that's what a Savannah can do. What a brilliant idea to mount a camera under there! JG ----- Original Message ----- From: moorecomp To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Pretty sure this is a 701. Great example of STOL Nope, 701 - Savannah does not have jury struts, the one in the vid does. Craig Moore Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141452#141452 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aileron Horn Clearance?
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2007
I hooked mine up for the first time a few weeks back and it also contacts the lower flange. I have not resolved it yet, but like Ron, I will do some local area modification to get it to fit. If I had to do it again, I would rotate the aileron arm up a bit. If I don't like what I will need to do to modify the local area, I might just put news arms on, but moved up a bit. Good luck, -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail and wings completed, fueslage almost done, engine next. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141467#141467 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2007
From: Tracy <pbuttles(at)charter.net>
Subject: 801 flaperons
I will set the o/b to even and set the i/b up with 20mm gap Thaks Tracy also looking for anyone who need builder assitance on there 801,701,601,or others ,i do sheet metal work ,tube and fabric,basic structure or complete,located in ne wi, 20.oo an hour shop rate,or we can talk total package price 920 982 2509 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Jab Dual Throttle Setup issue/oil lines
Date: Oct 24, 2007
From: "David Brown" <dbrown(at)avecc.com>
John, I had the same problem. I made a couple of sliders that fit on the firewall that allow the end of the cable to move up and down with throttle movement. It's now acceptable. Also on a different subject, which caused me a lot of lost time, when you get to the point of making up the oil cooler hoses. I followed the instructions on the Jabiru web site, except after cutting the hose with a Dremel cut off wheel I put a hose clamp around the line about 1/8" back. Then with the with Dremel tool very slightly radius the end so no burrs are sticking out. Put the threaded end in a vise so that it will not move when you push on it. Have a 1/4" nut driver handy so that you can work the hose clamp with one hand while you push with the other. Push the hose in the 1/8" and while holding, move the hose clamp back another 1/8" and retighten. A couple of repeats and it is in in a matter of minutes. David Future N601EX Subject: Zenith-List: Jab Dual Throttle Setup issue I just got my dual throttle setup installed per the Jabiru USA instructions and have an issue with the roughness in throttle movement when the throttles are firewalled. The throttle cable has to bend when its firewalled as the arms on the bar mounted on the firewall shelf tilt down in this position and this causes alot of stiffness and roughness when pushing the throttles that far in. I havent hooked up the middle cable to the carby yet so this friction is just from the two throttle cables. Any suggestions for improving the movement here ? Can I just grease the cables ? Thanks, John Davis Burnsville, NC 601XL - Jab 3300 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2007
From: Jaybannist(at)cs.com
Subject: Firewall Insulation
I have Wick's firewall insulation, the kind with quilted aluminum foil on one side and specular mylar on the other, with ~.5" fiberglass insulation between. I plan to put it on the engine side of the firewall. Of course, it will have to be cut and fitted around all that junk on the firewall. 1) What is the best way to stick it to the firewall? Hi-temp RTV silicone? Pliobond? Hi-temp two-sided tape? Wick's recommends weatherstrip adhesive. 2) What should be used to seal the seams? 3) What to do at the nose gear strut? Cover it with a barrel shaped piece? Ignore it? Advice appreciated. Flame - NOT. :>D Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GLENN JOHNSON <gljno10(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Right and Left Hand Turnbuckles
Date: Oct 24, 2007
THANKS FOR THAT HINT. I HAVE BEEN DREADING SAFETING THAT TURN BUCKLE. IF I HAVE A HARD TIME I'LL DO JUST THAT. THANKS GLENN Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:00:38 -0400From: adnasap(at)bellsouth.netTo: zenith- list(at)matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List: Right and Left Hand Turnbuckles I saw on the CH601XL plans for the adjustable turnbuckles for the elevator to mounted at the elevator horn on the dual stick configuration between the seats. How gross is that? The bottom one would never be accessed without a 5 year old's size hands in a contortionist position. So I ordered from A ircraft Spruce the correct threaded turnbuckle eye (P/N AN 170-22RS Cable E ye) and installed my adjustable elevator turnbuckle just above and slightly aft of my rear bottom access hole. Not only is it easier to adjust and saf ety wire (Single Spiral with .041 wire) but I can check cable tension right there and make adjustments in the future as necessary. I am using Push/Pull control rods for the ailerons. Each rod has a right h and and left hand threaded fitting and jam nut for minute adjustment. That way, if one of my ailerons is out I can bring it back in with minimal effo rt. Once locked, it will stay for ever. Hope this helps someone out. Dave Nixon CH 601XL N107R (90% Done / 90% To Go) _________________________________________________________________ ! ilnews ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2007
From: <dredmoody(at)cox.net>
Subject: Right and Left Hand Turnbuckles
The up elevator cable turnbuckle could also be located back at the elevator horn under the fiberglass fairing. Most of us have made that fairing removable and mine is easier to remove than opening up the belly hatch. I prefer to locate the turnbuckles near the end of cable rather than in the middle where the weight of the turnbuckle adds more energy to the oscillation of the cable inflight. It's not a big deal but the added mass of the turnbuckle isbetter supported near the end of the cable. Dred ---- GLENN JOHNSON wrote: > > THANKS FOR THAT HINT. I HAVE BEEN DREADING SAFETING THAT TURN BUCKLE. IF I HAVE A HARD TIME I'LL DO JUST THAT. THANKS > > GLENN > > > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:00:38 -0400From: adnasap(at)bellsouth.netTo: zenith-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Zenith-List: Right and Left Hand Turnbuckles > > > > > > > > > > I saw on the CH601XL plans for the adjustable turnbuckles for the elevator to mounted at the elevator horn on the dual stick configuration between the seats. How gross is that? The bottom one would never be accessed without a 5 year old's size hands in a contortionist position. So I ordered from Aircraft Spruce the correct threaded turnbuckle eye (P/N AN 170-22RS Cable Eye) and installed my adjustable elevator turnbuckle just above and slightly aft of my rear bottom access hole. Not only is it easier to adjust and safety wire (Single Spiral with .041 wire) but I can check cable tension right there and make adjustments in the future as necessary. > > I am using Push/Pull control rods for the ailerons. Each rod has a right hand and left hand threaded fitting and jam nut for minute adjustment. That way, if one of my ailerons is out I can bring it back in with minimal effort. Once locked, it will stay for ever. > > Hope this helps someone out. > > Dave Nixon > CH 601XL N107R > (90% Done / 90% To Go) > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > ! > ilnews ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: PROPELLER CLEARANCE
From: "GLJSOJ1" <gljno10(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Oct 24, 2007
HI ALL I AM STARTING TO WORK ON THE NOSE/COWLING. I DID NOT GET THE FIREWALL FORWARD KIT BUT AM SCRATCH BUILDING THIS PART OF MY 601XL I PLAN TO PUT A SPINNER ON IT, SO HOW MUCH SPACE DO I LEAVE FOR THE SPINNER BEHIND THE HUB OF THE PROPELLER. I AM USING A WARP DRIVE PROP WITH A 5 INCH EXTENSION. GLENN -------- 601XL BUILDER ALMOST DONE CHESAPEAKE VA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141527#141527 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Right and Left Hand Turnbuckles
From: "Dave Nixon" <adnasap(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Oct 24, 2007
Regarding the push/pull aileron control rods, and for those that are interested, I am about 3-4 weeks away from finalizing my wing installation. I am hanging the engine next week. When I do hang the wings, I will take good pictures of my push/pull rod for others. Dave Nixon 90/90 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141562#141562 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "T McCarthy" <mccarthy(at)jefnet.com>
Subject: 601HD new prop time
Date: Oct 24, 2007
I thought I would throw this out to the list to see what comes back. I have just over 100 hours on my 601 HD and I would like to upgrade my 66" GSC 3 blade on my 80 HP Rotax 912ULS, It has never tracked correctly since new and can not easily be readjusted (pitch wise) after the initial setting. My cruise is about 90MPH at 75%. My goal is to bring the cruise speed up. I have talked to Warp and Powerfin and only seem to be more confused. I'm sure others have done this, Thanks in advance....... Tom McCarthy N514TM 601 HD N414TM Kolb Firestar ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2007
From: LarryMcFarland <larry(at)macsmachine.com>
Subject: Re: 601HD new prop time
Hi Tom, Id recommend you look closely at the Warp Drive ground adjustable 3-blade prop. For your horsepower, theyll probably recommend a 68 or 70-inch prop. If in doubt, go to the larger. Adjusting this prop is excellent and precise. I like the bubble protractor that WD provides for adjustment. Its accurate and easy to get dead on. Very happy with my 70-inch WD on my HDS and cruise is very good at 17-degrees. You should consider the largest spinner available for that prop as well to reduce drag. I used a UHS fiberglass spinner from Ontario. Nice installation process too. Good luck, Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com T McCarthy wrote: > I thought I would throw this out to the list to see what comes back. I > have just over 100 hours on my 601 HD and I would like to upgrade my > 66" GSC 3 blade on my 80 HP Rotax 912ULS, It has never tracked > correctly since new and can not easily be readjusted (pitch wise) > after the initial setting. My cruise is about 90MPH at 75%. My goal is > to bring the cruise speed up. I have talked to Warp and Powerfin and > only seem to be more confused. I'm sure others have done this, Thanks > in advance....... > Tom McCarthy > N514TM 601 HD > N414TM Kolb Firestar > * > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2007
From: Bill Steer <steerr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Stratus tach hookup
Ok, I'm stuck. I started my Stratus EA-81 for the first time on Sunday. All the pressures, temperatures and voltages were as expected. There were a few glitches, though - the left fuel pump is inop, idle speed needed to be adjusted, and the tach was reading zero for both ignitions. I've traced through the wiring for the tach and it seems to be ok. That is, the signal is hooked to pin 4, ground to pin 3, and +12 v on pin 2. I thought the leads from the ignitions might be reversed, so I switched them, but still get zero. The tach moves off dead bottom (less than zero) and reads exactly zero when the engine is running, so I'm thinking I must have the sensor wires hooked to the wrong place. Those wires are attached to the black lead on each of the coils. Is that the correct place to hook them up? Is there a signal I can look for with a voltmeter on each of the signal wires? Thanks very much for any help or suggestions. Bill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: john H <professor71(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: 601HD new prop time
Date: Oct 24, 2007
Hi Tom I have a 601HD with about 270hrs on a 912ul. I have a 70" warp drive tapere d tip prop and see 100mph cruise (gps) at 5150-5200rpm. I like the warp pro p but an IVO prop is much easier to adjust and you could eventually change it to an inflight adjustable and have the best of both worlds, great climb and better cruise. John From: mccarthy(at)jefnet.com Subject: Zenith-List: 601HD new prop time Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:16:41 -0500 I thought I would throw this out to the list to see what comes back. I have just over 100 hours on my 601 HD and I would like to upgrade my 66" GSC 3 blade on my 80 HP Rotax 912ULS, It has never tracked correctly since new and can not easily be readjusted (pitch wise) after the initial setting. My cruise is about 90MPH at 75%. My goal is to bring the cruise speed up. I have talked to Warp and Powerfin and only seem to be more confused. I'm sure others have done this, Thanks in advance....... Tom McCarthy N514TM 601 HD N414TM Kolb Firestar _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Naumuk" <naumuk(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Re: Corvair Crank tap
Date: Oct 24, 2007
Ron- Been there, done that. The lead-ins have to be cleared, and the bolts aren't hard enough after the crank's been nitrided. Bill Naumuk HDS Fuse/Corvair Townville, Pa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon(at)comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 11:21 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Corvair Crank tap > > Bill, If you have the bolts, cut groove in one and use it as the chaser. > > -------- > Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI > Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) > http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141436#141436 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2007
From: LarryMcFarland <larry(at)macsmachine.com>
Subject: Re: Stratus tach hookup
Hi Bill, I've put both tach connections at the "B" ignition switch and ground back from the instruments. Using a VDO tach and EIS tach readout as well. I couldn't make the original UMA tach work and replaced it with a VDO. http://www.macsmachine.com/images/electrical/full/Ignition-Dual-Dizzy-and-TP4.gif Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Bill Steer wrote: > > Ok, I'm stuck. I started my Stratus EA-81 for the first time on > Sunday. All the pressures, temperatures and voltages were as > expected. There were a few glitches, though - the left fuel pump is > inop, idle speed needed to be adjusted, and the tach was reading zero > for both ignitions. > > I've traced through the wiring for the tach and it seems to be ok. > That is, the signal is hooked to pin 4, ground to pin 3, and +12 v on > pin 2. I thought the leads from the ignitions might be reversed, so I > switched them, but still get zero. The tach moves off dead bottom > (less than zero) and reads exactly zero when the engine is running, so > I'm thinking I must have the sensor wires hooked to the wrong place. > Those wires are attached to the black lead on each of the coils. Is > that the correct place to hook them up? Is there a signal I can look > for with a voltmeter on each of the signal wires? > > Thanks very much for any help or suggestions. > > Bill > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito" <lenabeto(at)uol.com.br>
Subject: Surprise visit !!!
Date: Oct 24, 2007
Hi Guys, I'd like to thank Sebastien Heintz's surprise visit here (Airfox Ultraleves) in Atibaia - S=E3o Paulo - Brazil. It has been a great pleasure to have had him here among us in our II Workshop and to fly my plane. See the pictures in check by yourself. http://www.airfox.com.br/br/ http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/update.html http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7updates.html Rgds, Roberto Brito. Zodiac XL 601-Jab 3300 Woodcomp 3300 - Enigma. Cruise speed / 3000rpm / 6000ft 140 mp/h Stall speed flap down 38/39 mp/h Rate of climb - 1 person - 24 gallons - 1200fpm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stratus tach hookup
Date: Oct 24, 2007
Apple-Mail-10-214999670-- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2007
From: Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: Instrument questions
Hi Doug, I wouldn't intentionally fly in a plane with no gyro instruments. This is because the risk of inadvertently getting into IMC or VMC that doesn't give any outside reference for flying the plane is great. I could easily do a 180 with just a turn coordinator and perhaps an airspeed indicator and altimeter. If you can't do that, then I suggest you hire an instructor to train you in that little trick. It could easily save your life. Of course it would be easier to use an EFIS than the minimal partial panel described above. Still, that calls for some dual instruction under the hood to get the basic procedures down. Good luck, Paul XL fuselage At 07:06 AM 10/24/2007, you wrote: > >Hey guys, I hope I don't start too many debates with this one but... > >I have a question about VFR instruments. Specifically about a turn >co-ordinator. I have in my collection of "Stuff" a functional, >electric gyro turn co-ordinator. I also have a simple slip/skid >bubble. I am building a CH-701 that will likely be mostly an around >the patch type of plane with the occasional cross country thown in. > >Is it worth the three point something pound weight penalty to >install the electric gyro turn co-ordinator in my panel? Is this >even a useful instrument to have in a strictly VFR plane? I am >planning on gong with a glass panel at some point but that won't be >until the plane is flying and the bills are paid down a bit. > >Doug MacDonald >CH-701 Scratch Builder >NW Ontario, Canada ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Surprise visit !!!
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 24, 2007
Beautiful job. Well done! Nice web site too. Video and music was also well done. Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141616#141616 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2007
From: Tracy <pbuttles(at)charter.net>
Subject: airfox 601
has anyone seen this aircraft? wanted to build one that has a better looking turtle deck like this,anyone want one let me know and we could talk about building one . sure look better than the bubble http://www.airfox.com.br/br/sobre.asp Tracy ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: airfox 601
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon(at)comcast.net>
Date: Oct 24, 2007
I told Roberto when I saw him at SnF this year that I was going to steal his design. I haven't given it much thought since but will consider making it out of metal to that design. You wanna draw it up? -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141627#141627 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2007
From: "Darrell Haas" <Darrellhaas(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: airfox 601
Tracy I also liked it and wrote to him. Real nice guy but said his shop was too small and too busy to make parts and sell them so a person would have to design and make it himself. I would love to make my plane the same. Darrell Haas 601 XL dreaming ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy" <pbuttles(at)charter.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Zenith-List: airfox 601 > > has anyone seen this aircraft? > wanted to build one that has a better looking turtle deck like this,anyone > want one let me know and we could talk about building one . > sure look better than the bubble > http://www.airfox.com.br/br/sobre.asp > > Tracy > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ron Lalonde <rlalonde(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Rib Form measurement
Date: Oct 25, 2007
Hi Gang The cutout detail (6W6)of the top and bottom cutout on the rib blanks (ex cept rib 9) is 10 mm wide. Should that not read 5 mm?? I have made the rib blanks and am just about to make the cutout for the spa r doublers on the top and bottom. . Since the spar doublers are only 5mm thick, why would the cutout be 10 mm ?? Is this a misprint?? Thanks for your help in advance. Ron 601XL . _________________________________________________________________ Are you ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5 ? Get the latest for free today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2007
From: Tracy <pbuttles(at)charter.net>
Subject: airfox 601
the problem with ding it all in meatl is all the compound curves ,its much easier to do in compocite. the only thing i dont like is the lack of a rollover protction like they have in rvs,iver the rv-10 is half composite. also have you seen the Sport Cruiser,it has a lot differnt fear fuse with differnet rudder and elvator,more rounded fuse and much better looking vert stab and rudder. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: NYTerminat(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 24, 2007
Subject: Re: Instrument questions
Doug I installed one in mine, found it quite useful especially if you have no other reference. In a pinch you could get out of some inadvertent IFR or even handy at night with no reference to horizon. I found it quite useful for those hazy days where the horizon blends in with the haze. I have since pulled it out and installed a Century 1 autopilot in its place. You could place it in the panel so that when go with a glass panel like Dynon, it will fit in the hole. Bob Spudis N701ZX ? CH701 / 912S In a message dated 10/24/2007 10:07:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dougsnash(at)yahoo.com writes: --> Zenith-List message posted by: MacDonald Doug Hey guys, I hope I don't start too many debates with this one but... I have a question about VFR instruments. Specifically about a turn co-ordinator. I have in my collection of "Stuff" a functional, electric gyro turn co-ordinator. I also have a simple slip/skid bubble. I am building a CH-701 that will likely be mostly an around the patch type of plane with the occasional cross country thown in. Is it worth the three point something pound weight penalty to install the electric gyro turn co-ordinator in my panel? Is this even a useful instrument to have in a strictly VFR plane? I am planning on gong with a glass panel at some point but that won't be until the plane is flying and the bills are paid down a bit. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada Do not archive __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2007
From: Tracy <pbuttles(at)charter.net>
Subject: airfox 601
the problem with doing it all in metal is all the compound curves ,its much easier to do in composite. the only thing I dont like is the lack of a rollover protection, like they have in rvs,even the rv-10 is half composite. also have you seen the Sport Cruiser,it has a lot different fear fuse with different rudder and elevator,more rounded fuse and much better looking vert stab and rudder. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rib Form measurement
From: "Jugle" <glenn(at)eastcoastit.net>
Date: Oct 25, 2007
Hi Ron, Have a look at 6-W-3. If you look at the spar details you will see that the spar cap is 1/4" material, approx 6-7mm. Then the doubler which is 0.032". The cutout needs to clear the doubler and the spar cap, hence the 10mm. So I have used the 10mm cutout in my cutting blocks. In fact what I have done is left that section in the cutting block and drilled the relief hole only, so I can use the cutting block to drill the hole through the metal blank in the correct position, then trim the cutouts later. Hope this is not too ambiguous. Regards, Glenn -------- Glenn Andressen 601XL- just started. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141655#141655 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Elevator bias spring
From: "countzero" <robyboy(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Oct 25, 2007
Dave, the mod drawing shows an extension spring labeled with a CZAW part number, does the CZAW plans include any details or spec for the spring? I'm working on the tail now and I will need to incorporate this mod but I can't find the parts, does Zenair Europe stock them. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141676#141676 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 25, 2007
From: "John M. Goodings" <goodings(at)yorku.ca>
Subject: Re: 601HD new prop time
To my mind, a major factor in choosing a new prop is ground clearance. We have a Rotax 912S with a 68" GSC prop which we like very much. This gives us at most 6" of clearance from prop to ground. I wouldn't want to go into a grass strip with less clearance than that. We cracked a blade tip taxiing in on grass from the paved runway 30/12 at Orillia/Lake St. John. Since it only cracked one tip, it was probably a stone sucked up. But it certainly focussed our attention on ground clearance! John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Ottawa/Toronto. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ron Lalonde <rlalonde(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Rib Form measurement
Date: Oct 25, 2007
Thanks for the reply Glenn. Was kind of thinking that the gap did not need to be a wide as it was. Mark Townsend (CanZac Aviation) also explained this to me. The idea you had for your cutting blocks is a good one! Thanks again for the reply Ron Ron,> > Have a look at 6-W-3. If you look at the spar details you will see that the spar cap is 1/4" material, approx 6-7mm. Then the doubler which is 0.032". The cutout needs to clear the doubler and the spar cap, hence the 10mm.> > So I have used the 10mm cutout in my cutting blocks. In fact what I have done is left that section in the cutting block and drilled the relie f hole only, so I can use the cutting block to drill the hole through the m etal blank in the correct position, then trim the cutouts later.> > Hope th is is not too ambiguous.> > Regards, Glenn> > --------> Glenn Andressen> 60 1XL- just started.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.m =======> > > _________________________________________________________________ Are you ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5 ? Get the latest for free today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clive Richards" <s.c.richards(at)homecall.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 601HD new prop time
Date: Oct 25, 2007
I agree you should not use longer than 68 inch we have lost 1/8 inch of Rays wooden prop while taxing & have a 66 inch 3 blade Warp drive on order Ray Lasniers G CBDG 601HD Continental 0-200 175 Hrs Clive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Goodings" <goodings(at)yorku.ca> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601HD new prop time > > To my mind, a major factor in choosing a new prop is ground clearance. We > have a Rotax 912S with a 68" GSC prop which we like very much. This gives > us at most 6" of clearance from prop to ground. I wouldn't want to go > into a grass strip with less clearance than that. We cracked a blade tip > taxiing in on grass from the paved runway 30/12 at Orillia/Lake St. John. > Since it only cracked one tip, it was probably a stone sucked up. But it > certainly focussed our attention on ground clearance! > > John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Ottawa/Toronto. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl(at)avci.net>
Date: Oct 25, 2007
OK, I did some checking around on this one too. I talked to Garmin and this is what I learned. When the 396 came out Garmin switched to a new screen which is now used in the 296, 396 and 496 models. The new screen is brighter and can be replaced for a flat rate of $250. You must contact Garmin (800-800-1020) and get a RMA# before returning the unit for service. Turnaround is typically 5-10 business days. How do you know if your 296 has the new or old screen? If you bought yours before the 396 came out you have the old screen. The 396 came out around summer 2005. Is the improvement that great? Read this excerpt from a review of the 396 in Plane and Pilot magazine..... "Like the earlier GPSMAP 296 (see Tech Talk: Garmin GPSmap 296, P&P, September 2004), the GPSMAP 396 offers a vivid, color, moving-map display, but unlike the earlier model, the new system is far more resistant to wash out in bright light. Its a full 70% brighter than the screen used on the previous model. Thats a major improvement as, despite the GPSMAP 296s other talents, the moving-map display can become difficult to read in bright-light situations. The GPSMAP 396s 480x320 display is clearly visible in virtually any light without losing map detail. Garmin says backlighting has been improved, and the new screen reduces reflectivity, but the bottom line is a more vivid, easier-reading display." $250 might be a good investment..... Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141794#141794 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Aaron Gustafson" <agustafson(at)chartermi.net>
Subject: Re: 601HD new prop time
Date: Oct 25, 2007
For anyone interested, I have a never flown IVO MEDIUM 3 blade 72" LEFTHAND prop for sale with spinner. Cleaning out basement, $500 takes the works.Contact me offline agustafson(at)chartermi.net Aaron Gustafson Flying 601HD 0-200 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 25, 2007
From: Ron Ellis <rge177(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Jab Dual Throttle Setup issue
John, I had the same problem. I did grease mine, and that helped a little. The heavy wire inside the dual throttle cable housings, tends to want to curl in one direction, and it helps to rotate the cable inside the housing so that it curls the way you need it to deflect. I ended up extending the center leg on the bellcrank about an inch, and mounted a bracket to hold the center cable adjuster on the front of the shelf. Now the dual throttle handles only have to travel about 2", and this gives me the needed 2 1/2" travel at the carby and eliminated the rough spot in my throttle. I still have just a little more friction than I would like (because of the drag of the co-pilot throttle cable), but I think it will be acceptable. Be sure and check out Lance Gingell's site to see how he mounted his. Ron >I just got my dual throttle setup installed per the >>instructions and have an issue with the roughness >in throttle movement >when the throttles are firewalled. The throttle >cable has to bend when >its firewalled as the arms on the bar mounted on the >firewall shelf > tilt >down in this position and this causes alot of >stiffness and roughness >when pushing the throttles that far in. I havent >hooked up the middle >cable to the carby yet so this friction is just from >the two throttle >cables. >Any suggestions for improving the movement here ? >Can I just grease the cables ? >Thanks, >John Davis >Burnsville, NC >601XL - Jab 3300 __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 25, 2007
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: 427JV Flying update
Allright People! here is the latest on 427JV"rivet". at 2950 rpm on my Jab 3300 we are getting at 2000 ft, 295 to 345 on CHTs, EGTs read 1290 to 1320 at 2950rpm. Speed at 2950 is 130 mph. at 3200 it picks up to 145 mph. and EGTs and CHTs go down further. May change the needles on the bings, but hard pressed to do it based on the EMS numbers. FUN plane to fly!! At take off you punch to full throttle and at 70mph pegged I 1400FPM climb! that is on 20 gallons and 220 lb pilot, 20lbs luggage. In decent you trim for 70 mph on final an shy squeeks in smooooooth! Juan Vega 427JV ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Where to buy A6 Rivets...?
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 25, 2007
I have some holes (intended for A5 rivets) that are larger than they should be. Usual practice is to "go up to the next sized rivet". I see A4 and A5 rivets available everywhere. But no A6's. Anybody know where I can get good quality A6 rivets...? Thanks, Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141863#141863 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 26, 2007
From: Bill Steer <steerr(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Where to buy A6 Rivets...?
How many do you need? I have some around here somewhere, I think. They're yours if I can find them. Bill PatrickW wrote: > > I have some holes (intended for A5 rivets) that are larger than they should be. > > Usual practice is to "go up to the next sized rivet". > > I see A4 and A5 rivets available everywhere. But no A6's. > > Anybody know where I can get good quality A6 rivets...? > > Thanks, > > Patrick > XL/Corvair > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141863#141863 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca>
Subject: Dynon POH
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Has anyone spent the time to do the POH list and checklists in their Dynon 100. IF so please E-Mail me off list at cdngoose(at)hsfx.ca Thanks cdngoose 2:31 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com>
Subject: Re: Where to buy A6 Rivets...?
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Can you get to the area to use "squeeze or Buck" rivets. They come in "oversize" (slightly) so you don't have to go to the next size. bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: PatrickW To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Where to buy A6 Rivets...? I have some holes (intended for A5 rivets) that are larger than they should be. Usual practice is to "go up to the next sized rivet". I see A4 and A5 rivets available everywhere. But no A6's. Anybody know where I can get good quality A6 rivets...? Thanks, Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141863#141863 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Where to buy A6 Rivets...?
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher(at)ge.com>
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Patrick, Aircraft Spruce sells them. -------- David Gallagher 601 XL, tail and wings completed, fueslage almost done, engine next. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141919#141919 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: steve(at)cccparis.com
Subject: Re: Where to buy A6 Rivets...?
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Aircraft Spruce AVEX Countersunk 1604-0515 Steve Russell > > > Patrick, > > Aircraft Spruce sells them. > > -------- > David Gallagher > 601 XL, tail and wings completed, > fueslage almost done, engine next. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141919#141919 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ Powered by Easy Address website manager (http://www.easyaddress.net) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday
From: "yak52" <n601ap(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 26, 2007
The decision to go with an 0-200 is based on more factors than cost although: 1.You can buy an 0-200 and rebuild it to specifications that have been proven by over 40 years of flying experience for less than the cost of a new Rotax or Jabiru. 2. Sensenich and other propellor manufacturers will be able to provide you with a propellor specifically for that engine. 3. An 0-200 does not require you to be the test pilot while Rotax and others go through their "teething" problems. 3. Almost any airport with a maintenance facility can and will repair your 0-200 should you need it during cross country flights. Additionally, there is nothing new to "learn" to operate either a Rotax or a Jabiru other than how to get the engine over to the repair facility during its "teething" problems. Cessna's decision to use the Continental came after the airplane was taken around the airshow circuit with a Rotax and seeking pilot input as to their preference for the engine. Cessna wanted the Rotax, but the people who were going to fly and maintain them wanted the Continental. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141938#141938 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito" <lenabeto(at)uol.com.br>
Subject: Zodiac XL 601 by Airfox
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Hi Tracy and Guys, If you want, I can send some pictures to you about this canopy. Send me a e-mail in private to lenabeto(at)uol.com.br and I send for you. Ron Lendon, you can "steal" my design, no problem, if you want I send some pictures for you too. See this Zodiac XL 601 TD that I bulit for my friend Ricardo Lopes, notice that the door is diferent, I changed because I think is easier to built and more safe. http://portal.ucpel.tche.br/py3vhq/home/Zodiac/ Rgds, Roberto Brito. Zodiac XL 601-Jab 3300 Woodcomp 3300 - Enigma. Cruise speed / 3000rpm / 6000ft 140 mp/h Stall speed flap down 38/39 mp/h Rate of climb - 1 person - 24 gallons - 1200fpm www.airfox.com.br Atibaia - S=E3o Paulo - Brazil. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Where to buy A6 Rivets...?
From: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Bingo! Thanks. Here's what I did: I went to www.aircraftspruce.com Did "search" on "AVEX". Looked at the list, and saw "1604-0615" which is Countersunk 3/16" Avex rivets. Ordered a couple hundred, along with some other stuff I needed. Thanks, Patrick XL/Corvair Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141957#141957 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Instrument Panel Access
From: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org>
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Tony, how much did you pay for that Garmin GPS-295? Funny thing is, it looks IDENTICAL to the Garmin Street Pilot I bought at a yardsale last month for $20 (yes, twenty dollars), and it works fine. Obviously they're using the same case and just uploading a different program and database to the two. I wonder if there's some way to get a new programmed chip for my unit, or install a new software package in my yardsale unit and use that when it comes time. I see the new Garmin 296 is going for $1,200. [quote="tonyplane(at)bellsouth.ne"]John, One of the BEST decisions I made was to make the fwd top skin removable. I used rivnuts and 6-32 SS screws. Others have used nutplates and J clips?? etc. With the skin removed, you have access not only to the instrument panel, but to the inside fwd firewall, rudder peddles and cables, steering rods, brakes, etc. Also, I have removal of the top skin part of my annual condition inspection to check wiring, and other areas under the instrument panel that would be a real problem to inspect with the skin in place. I also have a removable panel aft of the canopy "line" on the top skin. On it, I have provisions to mount 1 or 2 Garmin GPSs (One for the pilots side and one for my spouse's side) and have also mounted a vertical compass card.. Coming through this panel I have compass lighting wiring and hard wiring for the GPS's through grommeted holes that have a slots leading to the holes from the edge of the panel.. When I remove the top skin, I remove this panel first and can leave the wiring intact by passing it through the slot. You can see my instrument panel at http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo79.html (http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo79.html) (Zenith Photo Library #79) as originally finished, but since I have added some "Stuff" , such as a switch and a blinking light to show "Wig-wag" taxi/landing lights, another switch to use either Garmin GPS to drive my AP, a light to show when I have the aux fuel pump on, a Tru-Track T&B, and ... I really like what you can easily do with your airplane when it is "Experimental". If I had to drill out the top skin rivets to gain access to the instrument panel aft areas, it would not be as much fun and also I believe would result in a real mess to clean up. Tony Graziano XL/Jab3300; N493TG; 304 hrs --------------- Subject: Instrument Panel Access From: John Davis (johnd@data-tech.com (johnd@data-tech.com?subject=Re:%20Instrument%20Panel%20Access&replyto=470D085D.6000304@data-tech.com)) Date: [b]Wed Oct 10 - 10:30 AM[/b] > > > Hi All, > > > > I'm just wrapping up my electrical work and am getting close to putting > > on the front skin over the panel area. Riveting it per the factory seems > > to be a poor choice since I wont have any easy access to the rear of the > > panel. > > > > So it seems like the options are: > > > > A) Install nutplates or similar and make the entire skin removable. As I > > have a QB kit their are already 90+ rivet holes that would have to be > > fitted, so thats a lot of work. > > > > B) Install the skin permanently but add a couple of access panels on the > > top. Seems like several folks on the list are doing this. My only > > concern with this approach would be water leaking under the access > > panel. Any ideas as to how to prevent/avoid this issue ? > > > > Your thoughts/Ideas ? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > John Davis > > Burnsville, NC > > 601XL QB - Jab 3300 > > > > [b] -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141960#141960 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Instrument Panel Access
From: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org>
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Well, apparently there is no way to upgrade a Street Pilot to a 295 (http://www.cockpitgps.com/cpgpsweb/cockpitgps.htm). That would have been sweet. Oh well, I'm sure someone is capable of it, but not worth my researching it. Interesting website though. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141965#141965 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Dynon POH
From: "river1" <pedro(at)mycingular.blackberry.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Mark ; I was trying to contact you off list but couldn't , receive msg that says "unable to deliver" . I bought Jon's scratch build video and down loaded the brake plans . I am going to scratch build the 701 , the H-stab is over 7' and I thought about "stretching" the brake to have one for all the bends . It's that ok ? , or it will need too many changes to make it work ? Thx . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141970#141970 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dave VanLanen" <davevanlanen(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 601XL - Question Re. Mating Of Elevator To Stabilizer (Piano
Hinge)
Date: Oct 26, 2007
I'm almost ready to fit the elevator to the piano hinge, which is already drilled / clecoed to the stabilizer. Once positioned, has anyone found a good way of "stablizing" the assembly to prevent movement while drilling and clecoing? Thanks, Dave Van Lanen Madison, WI 601XL - Elevator ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 26, 2007
From: Dan <dwilde(at)clearwire.net>
Subject: Re: Where to buy A6 Rivets...?
Don't forget, you can order them from Zenith! Dan Wilde ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Zodiac XL 601 by Airfox
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Roberto, How can I get a set of those wing tips? Joe 101HD 601XL/RAM ----- Original Message ----- From: Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac XL 601 by Airfox Hi Tracy and Guys, If you want, I can send some pictures to you about this canopy. Send me a e-mail in private to lenabeto(at)uol.com.br and I send for you. Ron Lendon, you can "steal" my design, no problem, if you want I send some pictures for you too. See this Zodiac XL 601 TD that I bulit for my friend Ricardo Lopes, notice that the door is diferent, I changed because I think is easier to built and more safe. http://portal.ucpel.tche.br/py3vhq/home/Zodiac/ Rgds, Roberto Brito. Zodiac XL 601-Jab 3300 Woodcomp 3300 - Enigma. Cruise speed / 3000rpm / 6000ft 140 mp/h Stall speed flap down 38/39 mp/h Rate of climb - 1 person - 24 gallons - 1200fpm www.airfox.com.br Atibaia - S=E3o Paulo - Brazil. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com>
Subject: Tachometer for Jabiru 2200A
Date: Oct 26, 2007
I Need some advise from the group. I am going to have a Grand Rapids System EIS, which I know will show the engine RPM. I also want to have a "steam gauge" Tachometer as well in the panel in front of me. Can someone please give me the manufacturers name and part number of a suitable 3 1/8 inch Tach that will work with the 2200A. Would really like one that has a maximum range of 3500 RPM, but any up to 5000 RPM would probably work OK as well. Thanks, George Building CH701 (N73EX Reserved) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca>
Subject: Larger Brake
Date: Oct 26, 2007
My Brake design is made to handle material up to 52" after that the forces are too great and undesired deflection in the bends would appear. If you have a need for a larger brake then I would suggest Larry McFarlane's brake plans. For a cost of $35.00 he will send a very nice set of plans for construction of a 96" brake, I have this brake as well built from his plans and expanded to 10'. Best and most economical route is to build the 52" version and gather up all the material for longer bends and go visit the guy in the EAA chapter that has that Tool Heaven Garage/Hanger. One afternoon is all you should need of his 8' brake for your project. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of river1 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Dynon POH Mark ; I was trying to contact you off list but couldn't , receive msg that says "unable to deliver" . I bought Jon's scratch build video and down loaded the brake plans . I am going to scratch build the 701 , the H-stab is over 7' and I thought about "stretching" the brake to have one for all the bends . It's that ok ? , or it will need too many changes to make it work ? Thx . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141970#141970 10/26/2007 8:50 AM 10/26/2007 8:50 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jon Croke" <Jon(at)joncroke.com>
Subject: Zenith Hangar Day Video from HomebuiltHELP
Date: Oct 26, 2007
There were easily several hunderd people at last month's Zenith Open Hangar Day. I shot some video of the people, aircraft, and hangar activities that day and have a DVD video that I would be happy to send to anyone interested (free, no charge) on the Matronics Zenith list. A fun way to see what Zenith headquarters looks like, if you have never been there. See how many aircraft models you can recognize... and the pilots that flew in... ! Just email me your address (off list! jon(at)joncroke.com) where to ship it. (Just a small token to say thanks to those that have helped me and others in this hobby thru their sharing of time and knowledge to make building an aircraft possible - from www.HomebuiltHELP.com) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 26, 2007
From: Tracy <pbuttles(at)charter.net>
Subject: John Croke
any update on you 701? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Larger Brake
From: "river1" <pedro(at)mycingular.blackberry.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Thanks Mark ; I know that when Larry post he includes a link , anyone reading this want to throw the link please thx. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142039#142039 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 26, 2007
From: LarryMcFarland <larry(at)macsmachine.com>
Subject: Re: Tachometer for Jabiru 2200A
Hi George, I've a GRS EIS system and use a 3-1/8-inch VDO tachometer as well. I had a UMA that couldn't be made to work so I went with VDO. The instant read on the GRS is faster on the draw than the VDO tachometer, but they are about 50 rpm of agreement with each other almost all of the time. (It's in a Subaru, but the ignition read should be the same if wired correctly) http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/panelatcruise.gif Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com George Race wrote: > I Need some advise from the group. > > I am going to have a Grand Rapids System EIS, which I know will show > the engine RPM. > > I also want to have a "steam gauge" Tachometer as well in the panel in > front of me. > > Can someone please give me the manufacturers name and part number of a > suitable 3 1/8 inch Tach that will work with the 2200A. Would really > like one that has a maximum range of 3500 RPM, but any up to 5000 RPM > would probably work OK as well. > > Thanks, > George > Building CH701 (N73EX Reserved) > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Mikesell" <skyguynca(at)skyguynca.com>
Subject: Re: Larger Brake
Date: Oct 26, 2007
I built the plans from 601.com David's brake.......made mine 10ft and it works great. I bent up some spars for a biplane the other day from 2024t3 .040 10ft long and it did it no problem. I used the 10ft 4x4 angle 1/4in thick. David Mikesell 230 Theresa Drive, #6 Cloverdale, CA 95425 209-224-4485 skyguynca(at)skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Larger Brake > > My Brake design is made to handle material up to 52" after that the > forces are too great and undesired deflection in the bends would appear. > If you have a need for a larger brake then I would suggest Larry > McFarlane's brake plans. For a cost of $35.00 he will send a very nice > set of plans for construction of a 96" brake, I have this brake as well > built from his plans and expanded to 10'. > > Best and most economical route is to build the 52" version and gather up > all the material for longer bends and go visit the guy in the EAA > chapter that has that Tool Heaven Garage/Hanger. One afternoon is all > you should need of his 8' brake for your project. > > Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario > Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started > www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of river1 > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:12 PM > To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Dynon POH > > > > Mark ; I was trying to contact you off list but couldn't , receive msg > that says "unable to deliver" . I bought Jon's scratch build video and > down loaded the brake plans . I am going to scratch build the 701 , the > H-stab is over 7' and I thought about "stretching" the brake to have one > for all the bends . It's that ok ? , or it will need too many changes to > make it work ? Thx . > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141970#141970 > > > 10/26/2007 8:50 AM > > > 10/26/2007 8:50 AM > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "R.D.(Ron) Leclerc" <infow(at)mts.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Subject: Re: Zenith Hangar Day Video from HomebuiltHELP
Count me in Jon.... and thanks Ron Leclerc 1 Ballard Crescent Winnipeg, MB R2V 1K6 Canada 1-204-334-2482 infow(at)mts.net 10/26/2007 *************************************** This E-Mail scanned with AVG Anti-Virus Ver: 7.5! *************************************** > > There were easily several hunderd people at last month's Zenith > Open Hangar Day. > > I shot some video of the people, aircraft, and hangar activities > that day and have a DVD video that I would be happy to send to > anyone interested (free, no charge) on the Matronics Zenith list. > A fun way to see what Zenith headquarters looks like, if you have > never been there. See how many aircraft models you can > recognize... and the pilots that flew in... ! > > Just email me your address (off list! jon(at)joncroke.com) where to > ship it. > > (Just a small token to say thanks to those that have helped me and > others in this hobby thru their sharing of time and knowledge to > make building an aircraft possible - from www.HomebuiltHELP.com) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 601XL - Question Re. Mating Of Elevator To Stabilizer
(Piano
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl(at)avci.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2007
As I recall, I fit the two together on a table and after satisfying myself with the position of the hinge I used side clamps to attach the undrilled side in place and then pulled the pin out to separate the hinge halves. I then drilled the hinge starting in the middle and working towards the ends, clecoing as I went. When finished I chose to store the elevator and horiz. stab separately so I just slipped the pin back in one side of the hinge. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142054#142054 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 427JV Flying update
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl(at)avci.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Congrats Juan! You give us all hope that eventually we will be able to share in the fun. Just curious, are the speeds you're reporting taken from the airspeed indicator or are they true air speeds? Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142056#142056 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jon Croke" <Jon(at)joncroke.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith Hangar Day Video from HomebuiltHELP
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Going out to you this next week. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.D.(Ron) Leclerc" <infow(at)mts.net> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith Hangar Day Video from HomebuiltHELP > > > Count me in Jon.... and thanks > Ron Leclerc > 1 Ballard Crescent > Winnipeg, MB R2V 1K6 > Canada > 1-204-334-2482 > infow(at)mts.net > 10/26/2007 > *************************************** > This E-Mail scanned with AVG Anti-Virus Ver: 7.5! > *************************************** > >> >> There were easily several hunderd people at last month's Zenith >> Open Hangar Day. >> >> I shot some video of the people, aircraft, and hangar activities >> that day and have a DVD video that I would be happy to send to >> anyone interested (free, no charge) on the Matronics Zenith list. >> A fun way to see what Zenith headquarters looks like, if you have >> never been there. See how many aircraft models you can >> recognize... and the pilots that flew in... ! >> >> Just email me your address (off list! jon(at)joncroke.com) where to >> ship it. >> >> (Just a small token to say thanks to those that have helped me and >> others in this hobby thru their sharing of time and knowledge to >> make building an aircraft possible - from www.HomebuiltHELP.com) > > > -- > 10/26/2007 8:50 AM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Zodiac XL 601 by Airfox
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon(at)comcast.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Roberto, Thank you for the T-shirt at SnF, and yes please send pictures. I may only make one but I do like the design. -------- Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-) http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142069#142069 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 26, 2007
From: Tracy <pbuttles(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: John Croke
Hey John Had not seen an update on your site and wondering how it was coming, hope you get that flying again. yes wouldnt we all like to move done there,but I would be enjoying the weather and not getting any work done! Tracy ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 26, 2007
From: "Darrell Haas" <Darrellhaas(at)verizon.net>
Subject: 2000 hours
Many engines are rated 2000 hours before total rebuild. Does that apply just to the first time it is rebuilt. Can the rebuilt engine go another 2000 hours? How about the 4th or 5th time? Still 2000 hours? And people say you can buy a Continental 0-200 used. Is there a supplier that sells used other than Continental? Continental is not very good at using the internet to promote prices of anything. Thanks for your help. Darrell Haas 601 XL Dreaming ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 2000 hours
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl(at)avci.net>
Date: Oct 26, 2007
The number of hours that you can expect to get out of an engine is subject to a number of factors which is beyond the scope of this discussion. At my airport we recently had two engines sent in for overhaul, one after 400 hours, the other after 600. I had a Lycoming engine that I overhauled at 2100 hours (2nd overhaul) and I put another 1800 hours on it before I sold it. If a overhaul is done properly with everything returned to "new" limits you should be able to get as much time out of it the 2nd, 3rd or ..... time around. Your accessories will also require overhaul. If you are looking for used engines you should get your hands on Trade a Plane or try a site like Barnstormers. Forget about trying to deal directly with Continental. There are used engines available out there but they will always come with questions. Unless you have good logs with detailed information including a parts replaced list, you really can't judge the quality of the work that was done when an engine was overhauled. When I put a C85 in my Champ a few years ago, I bought a run-out engine with a good crankcase and went thru it completely with a mechanic friend of mine. As a result I know what I have and have faith in it. If you are looking for a certified engine for an XL you are probably going to want either a Continental 0-200 or Lycoming 0-235. One nice thing about experimental aircraft is that you have other engine options available to you. Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142091#142091 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com>
Subject: Re: Zodiac XL 601 by Airfox
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Is there a way to translate the web page to English. That's my kind of canopy. Looks great. Does the divider between the seats and baggage cover a rops (Roll over protection system)? I personally would like to have a "hidden hindge" system like the Columbia uses. They had a mock up showing it at OSH and it had hidden aluminium hindges behind the instrument panel and nothing outside to leak or look bad. bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roberto Ap. Rodrigues de Brito To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac XL 601 by Airfox Hi Tracy and Guys, If you want, I can send some pictures to you about this canopy. Send me a e-mail in private to lenabeto(at)uol.com.br and I send for you. Ron Lendon, you can "steal" my design, no problem, if you want I send some pictures for you too. See this Zodiac XL 601 TD that I bulit for my friend Ricardo Lopes, notice that the door is diferent, I changed because I think is easier to built and more safe. http://portal.ucpel.tche.br/py3vhq/home/Zodiac/ Rgds, Roberto Brito. Zodiac XL 601-Jab 3300 Woodcomp 3300 - Enigma. Cruise speed / 3000rpm / 6000ft 140 mp/h Stall speed flap down 38/39 mp/h Rate of climb - 1 person - 24 gallons - 1200fpm www.airfox.com.br Atibaia - S=E3o Paulo - Brazil. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Craig Payne" <craig(at)craigandjean.com>
Subject: Zodiac XL 601 by Airfox
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Well, you can try Google/translate: http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en http://tinyurl.com/2kh29n But I'm getting database errors on the translated and original web sites. -- Craig _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Unternaehrer Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac XL 601 by Airfox Is there a way to translate the web page to English. That's my kind of canopy. Looks great. Does the divider between the seats and baggage cover a rops (Roll over protection system)? I personally would like to have a "hidden hindge" system like the Columbia uses. They had a mock up showing it at OSH and it had hidden aluminium hindges behind the instrument panel and nothing outside to leak or look bad. bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roberto Ap. <mailto:lenabeto(at)uol.com.br> Rodrigues de Brito Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac XL 601 by Airfox Hi Tracy and Guys, If you want, I can send some pictures to you about this canopy. Send me a e-mail in private to lenabeto(at)uol.com.br and I send for you. Ron Lendon, you can "steal" my design, no problem, if you want I send some pictures for you too. See this Zodiac XL 601 TD that I bulit for my friend Ricardo Lopes, notice that the door is diferent, I changed because I think is easier to built and more safe. <http://portal.ucpel.tche.br/py3vhq/home/Zodiac/> http://portal.ucpel.tche.br/py3vhq/home/Zodiac/ Rgds, Roberto Brito. Zodiac XL 601-Jab 3300 Woodcomp 3300 - Enigma. Cruise speed / 3000rpm / 6000ft 140 mp/h Stall speed flap down 38/39 mp/h Rate of climb - 1 person - 24 gallons - 1200fpm www.airfox.com.br Atibaia - S=E3o Paulo - Brazil. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "sales@steelframe" <sales(at)steelframe.com.au>
Subject: Hangar clean out
Date: Oct 27, 2007
I am having a hangar clean out, & have a number of brand new instruments still in unopened boxes, all are Falcon gauges, Dual EGT with senders $55, Dual CHT with senders $55, Sensitive Altimeter 20000ft 2 windows $220 3 1/8 Electric turn coordinator with connector $300 Contact off line, or send me your landline & i shall phone you Rob Noras ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rib Form measurement
From: "rlalonde" <rlalonde(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Oct 26, 2007
Hi Gang On the rear ribs, the top, bottom and spar flanges are bent in the same direction (according to note on the bottom right of 6-W-6). of course they are installed either facing inboard or outboard as stipulated. Watching the Metal working DVD I noticed that Rib 3 has the spar flange bent 90 degrees opposite to the rest of the flanges. What other ribs have this?? Not clear, at least not to me in the plans. Anyone know where this info is?? Actually, I think I am staying up too late at night in the workshop. Sorry for asking so many questions. Just when I think things are as "clear as mud" I end up second guessing myself. Ron 601XL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142115#142115 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 27, 2007
Subject: Re: 2000 hours (Engine for sale)
Hey Guys: I have a Lycoming O-235 that I want to sell. It is complete, and when I find the log book I can give the exact times, but as I remember it has less than 2000 hrs, with less than 500 since major overhaul. This engine has no damage, came out of a PA-12 being upgraded to an O-320, and for an extra few hundred dollars I can include the propeller which has less than 10 hours SMOH. $3,450 and you pick it up here in Frostproof, FL. Lynn Nelsen 601 HD 145 hrs. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Clyde Barcus" <barcusc(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 2000 hours
Date: Oct 27, 2007
I bought a used O-200 complete from Wentworth Aircraft Salvage guaranteed to be rebuildable, sometimes they have used engines at reasonable prices and I think they are good to work with. I bought a high time engine that I intend to rebuild with the help of an A & P that belongs to the same EAA Chapter I do. There are others in the same business but I suggest you ask around to make sure they are not a fly-by-night operation. I also spoke to Continental about parts, they have complete cylinder kits (cylinders, gaskets, pistons, rings, etc.) priced at a total $4068.62 for all 4 cylinders and $932.18 for the bottom end kits. Wentworth also gave me a lead on a small company that rebuilds cylinders, their prices for rebuildable cylinders range from $325 per cylinder to $600 for one that needs chromed. Clyde Barcus 601 XL, Continental Powered Wings, Tail & Engine Complete Working on Fuselage ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrell Haas To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:35 PM Subject: Zenith-List: 2000 hours Many engines are rated 2000 hours before total rebuild. Does that apply just to the first time it is rebuilt. Can the rebuilt engine go another 2000 hours? How about the 4th or 5th time? Still 2000 hours? And people say you can buy a Continental 0-200 used. Is there a supplier that sells used other than Continental? Continental is not very good at using the internet to promote prices of anything. Thanks for your help. Darrell Haas 601 XL Dreaming ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Afterfxllc(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 27, 2007
Subject: Re: 601XL - Question Re. Mating Of Elevator To Stabilizer
(P... I would leave the hinge attached to the elevator and slide the hinge under the skin and place a strip of .025 between the hinge and the horizontal stabilizer then push the elevator tight and rivet from the center out. If you take the hinge apart you could inadvertently get the hinge slightly off and cause it to have a slight bind. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2007
From: "Dennis Shoup" <zenith601xl(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2000 hours (Engine for sale)
On 10/27/07, IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com wrote: > > Hey Guys: I have a Lycoming O-235 that I want to sell. It is complete, > and when I find the log book I can give the exact times, but as I remember > it has less than 2000 hrs, with less than 500 since major overhaul. > This engine has no damage, came out of a PA-12 being upgraded to an O-320, > and for an extra few hundred dollars I can include the propeller which has > less than 10 hours SMOH. $3,450 and you pick it up here in Frostproof, FL. > Lynn Nelsen > 601 HD 145 hrs. > > > ------------------------------ > See w > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2007
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 427JV Flying update
Taken from True airspeed as well as ground speed on GPS. it was a flat calm day in ambient temp a Juan -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Juhl <juhl(at)avci.net> >Sent: Oct 26, 2007 7:59 PM >To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 427JV Flying update > > >Congrats Juan! You give us all hope that eventually we will be able to share in the fun. > >Just curious, are the speeds you're reporting taken from the airspeed indicator or are they true air speeds? > >Tim > >-------- >______________ >CFII >Champ L16A flying >Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A >Working on wings > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142056#142056 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2007
From: Dan <dwilde(at)clearwire.net>
Subject: Proseal Use
I just received from Wicks the $15 sealant kit for a couple of small holes I needed filled. However, I do have some questions. Should there not be instructions included? I did a search of the matronics list and there are lots of info on the stuff but no information on mixing ratios or application. I ended up mixing it at a ratio of 10 to 1 based on technical data I found and just slathering the product into the hole. Is there more to it than this? Dan Wilde ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2007
From: Maarten Versteeg <maarten.versteeg(at)swri.org>
Subject: Re: Rib Form measurement
Hello Ron, I don't know which flanges you are referring to, I finished all ribs and am assembling the wing, but all flanges on each of the ribs are bend in the same direction. Rib 4 is different in the sense that the left and right rib are swapped so the wing locker has the smooth side. Also on the rib with the bell-crank the flanges for the two rear lightening holes are in the opposite direction. This is the way I did all, did I do it wrong or ....... Regards, Maarten 601XL - plans building wings > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rib Form measurement > From: "rlalonde" <rlalonde(at)HOTMAIL.COM> > > Hi Gang > On the rear ribs, the top, bottom and spar flanges are bent in the same direction > (according to note on the bottom right of 6-W-6). of course they are installed > either facing inboard or outboard as stipulated. > > Watching the Metal working DVD I noticed that Rib 3 has the spar flange bent > 90 degrees opposite to the rest of the flanges. What other ribs have this?? Not > clear, at least not to me in the plans. Anyone know where this info is?? > Actually, I think I am staying up too late at night in the workshop. Sorry for > asking so many questions. Just when I think things are as "clear as mud" I end > up second guessing myself. > Ron > 601XL ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2007
From: "Carlos Sa" <carlossa52(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Proseal Use
Dan, I uaed proseal many months ago, but there were instructions on the cans. If I remember well, the ratio was indeed 10 to 1, based o weight (not volume). I bought the product from AS&S. Carlos On 27/10/2007, Dan wrote: > > > I just received from Wicks the $15 sealant kit for a couple of small > holes I needed filled. However, I do have some questions. > > Should there not be instructions included? I did a search of the > matronics list and there are lots of info on the stuff but no > information on mixing ratios or application. > I ended up mixing it at a ratio of 10 to 1 based on technical data I > found and just slathering the product into the hole. Is there more to > it than this? > > Dan Wilde ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2007
From: SUE MICHAELS <michaega(at)verizon.net>
Subject: new 912uls for sale with prop
have an 912uls up for sale that has near everthing you need for the kitfox setup. Only a couple items keeping but you may find through this Kitfox list. I believe the Rotax 912uls was built in Mid 2005 (still checking exact date) new and has never been started. When I bought the complete Kitfox 7 kit there was with very little work completed. Two items not included with the sale are the oil tank and radiator. Included is a complete 912uls, carb heat air intake box, drip pans for carbs, rectifier, electrical component and high performance exhaust system, Rotax engine ring mount, throttle cable with split feeds to each carb, choke cable split feeds and other odd and ends that I may find. Also a new 70" carbon fiber 3 blade warp drive prop with optional 2" prop spacer, aluminum spinner and backing plate and the protractor to adjust blade angles. Sell all for13,500 George ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Larger Brake
From: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org>
Date: Oct 27, 2007
Dave's brake looks excellent for any length spar you want. The only problem with that brake is that it won't do a deep skin. Mine will, but it will only do a piece of .040 up to about 6' before it's pushing it. I should draw up and post some plans of my brake. Personally, I thought designing and building a suitable bending brake on the cheap was one of the hardest parts of building a plane. There's actually a lot involved in making what would seem to be a simple bend in aluminum. skyguynca wrote: > I built the plans from 601.com David's brake.......made mine 10ft and it > works great. I bent up some spars for a biplane the other day from 2024t3 > .040 10ft long and it did it no problem. I used the 10ft 4x4 angle 1/4in > thick. > > David Mikesell > 230 Theresa Drive, #6 > Cloverdale, CA 95425 > 209-224-4485 > skyguynca(at)skyguynca.com > www.skyguynca.com > --- -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142213#142213 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2007
From: "Dave Thompson" <dave.thompson(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Dynon POH
I downloaded Mark's brake plans and made a parts list. I am not building but have the list. It is at work right now but I'll be glad to send it to you if you want it. Later, Dave Thompson Dave.thompson(at)verizon.net Westminster, California ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 27, 2007
From: "Dave Thompson" <dave.thompson(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Tachometer for Jabiru 2200A
Try the following link, very well made instruments for the price. http://autometer.com/cat_gaugeop.aspx?sid=12 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Do You Have Plans for Sale
From: "Dave Williams" <dawadw(at)msn.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2007
Looking for a set of plans for the 601xl. I have been lurking for a while(2yrs) and am ready to take the plunge and buy a set of plans. If you are not going to build lets make a deal. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142230#142230 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Do You Have Plans for Sale
Date: Oct 27, 2007
Sorry they are gone,but thanks for the inquire. Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Williams" <dawadw(at)msn.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:43 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Do You Have Plans for Sale > > Looking for a set of plans for the 601xl. I have been lurking for a > while(2yrs) and am ready to take the plunge and buy a set of plans. If you > are not going to build lets make a deal. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142230#142230 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Do You Have Plans for Sale
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona(at)suddenlink.net>
Date: Oct 27, 2007
Here's a link to a set I saw for sale. http://tinyurl.com/lbd26 -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142253#142253 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Graeme Bell" <graeme(at)coletoolcentre.com.au>
Subject: Re: new 912uls for sale with prop
Date: Oct 28, 2007
George Where are you in Australia USA Some idea of location would be goog. Graemecns ----- Original Message ----- From: SUE MICHAELS To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:24 AM Subject: Zenith-List: new 912uls for sale with prop have an 912uls up for sale that has near everthing you need for the kitfox setup. Only a couple items keeping but you may find through this Kitfox list. I believe the Rotax 912uls was built in Mid 2005 (still checking exact date) new and has never been started. When I bought the complete Kitfox 7 kit there was with very little work completed. Two items not included with the sale are the oil tank and radiator. Included is a complete 912uls, carb heat air intake box, drip pans for carbs, rectifier, electrical component and high performance exhaust system, Rotax engine ring mount, throttle cable with split feeds to each carb, choke cable split feeds and other odd and ends that I may find. Also a new 70" carbon fiber 3 blade warp drive prop with optional 2" prop spacer, aluminum spinner and backing plate and the protractor to adjust blade angles. Sell all for13,500 George ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 21/10/2007 15:09 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 28, 2007
From: William Dominguez <bill_dom(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Larger Brake
I have an 8' wooden bending brake of my own design and like Dave's brake, I couldn't do deep skins. My solution was to add a reinforced steel clamp that I think can also work on Dave's brake. Here is a picture of my brake with the steel clamp: http://williamdominguez.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album10&id=115_1531_IMG_Large I use C clamps on each side (not shown on the picture) of the skin, this limits the length to 7', but enough for skins. Here is another picture of the brake but this time it is bending a skin flange without using the steel clamps, in this one I use C clamps all along the brake: http://williamdominguez.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album06&id=115_1511_IMG_Large I made the aileron and flap middle of the skin bends using the steel clamp and it worked well. For flanges I still use the method shown in the second picture. A clamp like this would not be difficult to adapt to a steel brake like Dave's William Dominguez Zodiac 601 XL Plans Miami Florida Dave's brake looks excellent for any length spar you want. The only problem with that brake is that it won't do a deep skin. Mine will, but it will only do a piece of .040 up to about 6' before it's pushing it. I should draw up and post some plans of my brake. Personally, I thought designing and building a suitable bending brake on the cheap was one of the hardest parts of building a plane. There's actually a lot involved in making what would seem to be a simple bend in aluminum. skyguynca wrote: > I built the plans from 601.com David's brake.......made mine 10ft and it > works great. I bent up some spars for a biplane the other day from 2024t3 > .040 10ft long and it did it no problem. I used the 10ft 4x4 angle 1/4in > thick. > > David Mikesell > 230 Theresa Drive, #6 > Cloverdale, CA 95425 > 209-224-4485 > skyguynca(at)skyguynca.com > www.skyguynca.com > --- -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142213#142213 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Larger Brake
From: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org>
Date: Oct 28, 2007
It's all about machanics. Even though it's a wooden bending brake, with that reinforcing bar, it actually looks like it would work well. [quote="bill_dom(at)yahoo.com"]I have an 8' wooden bending brake of my own design and like Dave's brake, I couldn't do deep skins. My solution was to add a reinforced steel clamp that I think can also work on Dave's brake. Here is a picture of my brake with the steel clamp: http://williamdominguez.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album10&id=115_1531_IMG_Large I use C clamps on each side (not shown on the picture) of the skin, this limits the length to 7', but enough for skins. Here is another picture of the brake but this time it is bending a skin flange without using the steel clamps, in this one I use C clamps all along the brake: http://williamdominguez.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album06&id=115_1511_IMG_Large I made the aileron and flap middle of the skin bends using the steel clamp and it worked well. For flanges I still use the method shown in the second picture. A clamp like this would not be difficult to adapt to a steel brake like Dave's William Dominguez Zodiac 601 XL Plans Miami Florida Dave's brake looks excellent for any length spar you want. The only problem with that brake is that it won't do a deep skin. Mine will, but it will only do a piece of .040 up to about 6' before it's pushing it. I should draw up and post some plans of my brake. Personally, I thought designing and building a suitable bending brake on the cheap was one of the hardest parts of building a plane. There's actually a lot involved in making what would seem to be a simple bend in aluminum. skyguynca wrote: [quote] I built the plans from 601.com David's brake.......made mine 10ft and it works great. I bent up some spars for a biplane > [b] -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142342#142342 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: John Croke
From: "Larry Portouw" <Larry(at)portouw.com>
Date: Oct 28, 2007
'ere's a METAR for you from last week. Runway is 12,001 feet long plus two shorter ones. KFHU 232255Z 07011KT 90SM SKC 24/M08 A3030 RMK SLP210 -------- Larry Portouw 601XL Kit (H. Stab) PA-22 N8141C Fort Huachuca, AZ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142369#142369 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 28, 2007
From: "Paul Riedlinger" <cndmovn(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: John Croke
How about 0NC2 or www.mountainaircc.com if you really want to live on the top! On 10/28/07, Larry Portouw wrote: > > > 'ere's a METAR for you from last week. Runway is 12,001 feet long plus two > shorter ones. > KFHU 232255Z 07011KT 90SM SKC 24/M08 A3030 RMK SLP210 > > -------- > Larry Portouw > 601XL Kit (H. Stab) > PA-22 N8141C > Fort Huachuca, AZ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142369#142369 > > -- Paul Riedlinger cndmovn(at)gmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: CH801
From: "kmccune" <kmccune(at)somtel.net>
Date: Oct 28, 2007
Very Cool! Congrats!!!! Kevin -------- Kevin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142399#142399 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: lighting minihelic
From: "leinad" <leinad(at)hughes.net>
Date: Oct 28, 2007
Has anyone got any good ideas for lighting a minihelic as used as an LRI? Dan Dempsey plans building 601XL -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142400#142400 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Matt & Jo" <archermj(at)swbell.net>
Subject: LLC
Date: Oct 28, 2007
Hello all, I am getting close to submitting my paper work to the FAA and thought I would throw this out. Has any one registered their home built as an LLC. I have some friends that have their aircraft registered to their LLC and they are hoping to avoid liability when or if they sell. I am not sure if it is worth the hassle or if it really will do much. I am not sure that there is really that much risk from layers on private individuals. There just isn't that much money to go after. It is not like going after a large company. There was a good article in Kitplanes or EAA a couple months back. Anyway. Would like to hear opinions on ways to reduce/manage liability. Getting close to moving to the hangar. Cheers Matt www.zodiacxl.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve" <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: LLC
Date: Oct 28, 2007
I wrote to the EAA attorney and the reply was that to date there has been only one law suit on an Experimental. It was on the John Denver EZE crash and the defect was the fuel valve. The EAA said that lawyers dont get enough money if the go after us "little" guys. Its not worth their time... SW ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt & Jo To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Zenith-List: LLC Hello all, I am getting close to submitting my paper work to the FAA and thought I would throw this out. Has any one registered their home built as an LLC. I have some friends that have their aircraft registered to their LLC and they are hoping to avoid liability when or if they sell. I am not sure if it is worth the hassle or if it really will do much. I am not sure that there is really that much risk from layers on private individuals. There just isn't that much money to go after. It is not like going after a large company. There was a good article in Kitplanes or EAA a couple months back. Anyway. Would like to hear opinions on ways to reduce/manage liability. Getting close to moving to the hangar. Cheers Matt www.zodiacxl.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jeff " <jeffrey_davidson(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: VDO sender installation instructions for the LE tanks on
an HD model
Date: Oct 28, 2007
It is time for me to install and hook up the senders in my Leading Edge tanks on my HD wings now that they are on the plane. Does anyone have a copy of the installation instructions for the VDO float senders from ZAC? I can't seem to find mine. I remember there were some instructions about how to bend the float arm. That is what I'm most interested in. Thanks . Jeff Davidson ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca>
Subject: ZenVair 601
Date: Oct 28, 2007
Just got a notice, for those of you who are interested in installing a William Wynne conversion in your Zodiac 601 Quality Sport Planes in California will be hosting Corvair College 11 on November 9-11 2007 for more information please check out this link HYPERLINK "http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_077.htm"http://www.qualitysp ortplanes.com/qsp-2006_077.htm Thanks Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK "http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK "http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com 10/27/2007 11:02 AM 10/27/2007 11:02 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LHusky(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 28, 2007
Subject: Looking for a few parts
Is there anyone out there that may have bought a tri-gear kit and decided to go with a tail dragger? I am looking for landing gear components. Main spring gear, front leg, forks, tires, wheels, brakes, or anything that your not using. I just thought I would throw this out to the list before I go and buy this stuff from another source. Thanks, Larry Husky 601XL / Corvair ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Larger Brake
From: "TxDave" <dclaytx2(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Oct 28, 2007
Excuse me. If you use a little of the gray matter God put between your ears, you can bend ANYTHING you'll need for the 601XL with my brake. "Deep skins"??? I'm guessing that means control surface skins like flaps and ailerons. They are not a problem (see attached photos). Folks...if you have any questions about the free brake plans I have been happily providing for over a year now, just ask me. Don't rely on someone else's assumptions. Dave Clay Temple, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142432#142432 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bend1_115.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/bend2_214.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/bend3_103.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/skin_161.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Larger Brake
From: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Hey, sorry, looks like it works well then. All I know is my brake. even made out of the same heavy steel, would not make a straight enough bend for my tastes until I put the tensioner bar on the top clamp piece. Obviously you can bend a deep wide skin and that's good. I'm just surprised it can do it without the tensioner. Without the tensioner on mine, I noticed a slight banana shape to the part. If you can get away without the tensioner for some reason that's great, I'm honestly surprised it doesn't need one considering the distance between the clamp bolts. TxDave wrote: > Excuse me. If you use a little of the gray matter God put between your ears, you can bend ANYTHING you'll need for the 601XL with my brake. > > "Deep skins"??? I'm guessing that means control surface skins like flaps and ailerons. They are not a problem (see attached photos). > > Folks...if you have any questions about the free brake plans I have been happily providing for over a year now, just ask me. Don't rely on someone else's assumptions. > > Dave Clay > Temple, TX -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142456#142456 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2007
From: Jaybannist(at)cs.com
Subject: VDO sender installation instructions for the LE tanks
on an HD model Jeff, I tried to send you the instructions from the Zenith CD, but it was too large to go. If you will send me (directly) your address and phone number, I'll FedEx it to you today. Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J "Jeff " wrote: >It is time for me to install and hook up the senders in my Leading Edge >tanks on my HD wings now that they are on the plane. Does anyone have a >copy of the installation instructions for the VDO float senders from ZAC? I >can't seem to find mine. I remember there were some instructions about how >to bend the float arm. That is what I'm most interested in. Thanks . > >Jeff Davidson > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2007
From: William Dominguez <bill_dom(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Larger Brake
Ok Dave relax, me and I think Andy got your point. Getting your blood boiling (seems like it based on how you answered) over this might be hazardous for your health . We all agree that your brake is the best and most practical for our purpose. The reason I didn't build your brake is because yours came out after I build mine. William Dominguez Zodiac 601XL Plans Miami Florida Excuse me. If you use a little of the gray matter God put between your ears, you can bend ANYTHING you'll need for the 601XL with my brake. "Deep skins"??? I'm guessing that means control surface skins like flaps and ailerons. They are not a problem (see attached photos). Folks...if you have any questions about the free brake plans I have been happily providing for over a year now, just ask me. Don't rely on someone else's assumptions. Dave Clay Temple, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142432#142432 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bend1_115.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/bend2_214.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/bend3_103.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/skin_161.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: LLC
From: "dfmoeller" <dfmoeller(at)austin.rr.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
While creating an LLC might shield you from liability arising from owning and operating the craft, the big issue is liability arising from building the craft. I'm not an attorney, but is seems clear that someone must be the builder. I don't think an LLC can build for educational reasons. So, I wouldn't think the LLC would do you any good as protection against build related issues. Doug Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142473#142473 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2007
From: Maarten Versteeg <maarten.versteeg(at)swri.org>
Subject: Re: Rib Form measurement
Hello Ron, I have seen Randy's pictures, I agree, these seem to be bend the other way, I don't know how this fits with my drawings. I think this is an issue with an older design, if you look on the Zenith web site with their free example drawings then 6W6 (from 2000)is different from my drawing and indeed states that the rib flanges for a number of the ribs are bend the other way. They may have changed this for fabrication convenience as it is easier when working with a single form block to bend all flanges the same way. Even the photo guide is confusing, one of the pictures shows the rib supports (the small vertical L-angles on the inboard side of rib #1-4), but all the drawings show these supports in between the rib flanges so on the outside of rib #1. Regards, Maarten Ron Lalonde wrote: > Hi Maarten > I agree with you. On the DVD metal scratchbuilding video and on Randy > Bryants homebuilding site there are pictures of the ribs with the spar > flange on the rib bent 90 degrees in the opposite direction (see > http://www.n344rb.com) and you will see what I mean. Until I can confirm > whether or not this is the correct way, I am holding off on my 1-4 ribs. > Cannot find any reference to this in the plans, but I am sure it is > there somewhere one way or the other.. > Will keep you posted on what I find out > Ron > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:15:21 -0500 > > From: maarten.versteeg(at)swri.org > > To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rib Form measurement > > > > > > > Hello Ron, > > > > I don't know which flanges you are referring to, I finished > > all ribs and am assembling the wing, but all flanges on each > > of the ribs are bend in the same direction. Rib 4 is different > > in the sense that the left and right rib are swapped so the > > wing locker has the smooth side. Also on the rib with the > > bell-crank the flanges for the two rear lightening holes are > > in the opposite direction. > > This is the way I did all, did I do it wrong or ....... > > > > Regards, > > Maarten > > 601XL - plans building wings > > > > > Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rib Form measurement > > > From: "rlalonde" <rlalonde(at)HOTMAIL.COM> > > > > > > Hi Gang > > > On the rear ribs, the top, bottom and spar flanges are bent in the > same direction > > > (according to note on the bottom right of 6-W-6). of course they > are installed > > > either facing inboard or outboard as stipulated. > > > > > > Watching the Metal working DVD I noticed that Rib 3 has the spar > flange bent > > > 90 degrees opposite to the rest of the flanges. What other ribs > have this?? Not > > > clear, at least not to me in the plans. Anyone know where this info > is?? > > > Actually, I think I am staying up too late at night in the > workshop. Sorry for > > > asking so many questions. Just when I think things are as "clear as > mud" I end > > > up second guessing myself. > > > Ron > > > 601XL > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now! > <http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122> -- Maarten Versteeg Southwest Research Institute Phone: (210)522-5029 P.O. Drawer 28510 Fax: (210)522-5499 San Antonio, TX 78228-0510 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pete Krotje" <pete(at)usjabiru.com>
Subject: Tachometer for Jabiru 2200A
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Try a UMA 19-819-105. They work very well. www.umainstruments.com <http://www.umainstruments.com/> Pete _____ From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Race Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Tachometer for Jabiru 2200A I Need some advise from the group. I am going to have a Grand Rapids System EIS, which I know will show the engine RPM. I also want to have a "steam gauge" Tachometer as well in the panel in front of me. Can someone please give me the manufacturers name and part number of a suitable 3 1/8 inch Tach that will work with the 2200A. Would really like one that has a maximum range of 3500 RPM, but any up to 5000 RPM would probably work OK as well. Thanks, George Building CH701 (N73EX Reserved) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Ron Lalonde <rlalonde(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Rib Form measurement
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Hi Maarten I phoned Roger at ZAC this morning. Just got off the phone. As per our dra wings, all the spar flanges on the ribs are indeed bent in the same directi on as the top, bottom and rear flanges of the rib. Apparently the older plans did this differently. Still, I am happy to put m y mind at ease that I am going down the right path. It is sure nice to have people to talk to and email to clarify any problem s that are encountered. Mark Townsend up at Can-Zac is also especially helpful....and I am sure tha t he must shake his head when he sees my name on his call display when the phone rings!!! LOL Ronxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Hello Ron,> > I have seen Randy's pictures, I agree, these seem to> be bend the other way, I don't know how this fits> with my drawings. I think this is an issue with an> older design, if you lo ok on the Zenith web site with> their free example drawings then 6W6 (from 2000)is> different from my drawing and indeed states that the> rib flanges for a number of the ribs are bend the> other way. They may have changed thi s for fabrication> convenience as it is easier when working with a single> form block to bend all flanges the same way.> Even the photo guide is confu sing, one of the pictures> shows the rib supports (the small vertical L-ang les on> the inboard side of rib #1-4), but all the drawings> show these sup ports in between the rib flanges so on> the outside of rib #1.> > Regards,> Maarten> > Ron Lalonde wrote:> > Hi Maarten> > I agree with you. On the DV D metal scratchbuilding video and on Randy > > Bryants homebuilding site th ere are pictures of the ribs with the spar > > flange on the rib bent 90 de grees in the opposite direction (see > > http://www.n344rb.com) and you wil l see what I mean. Until I can confirm > > whether or not this is the corre ct way, I am holding off on my 1-4 ribs.> > Cannot find any reference to th is in the plans, but I am sure it is > > there somewhere one way or the oth er..> > Will keep you posted on what I find out> > Ron> > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Are you ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5 ? Get the latest for free today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: LLC
From: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Not a lawyer, but here's my opinion. There are really 3 areas of liability of concern; building, owning, and flying an experimental. A builder must be an individual. You cannot apply for the AW certificate as an LLC, so whatever liability you have as the builder is not mitigated by the LLC. As a pilot, you are personally liable for whatever mistakes you may make that lead to an accident. An LLC has no effect here. As the owner, you may have some liability for an accident, however, in most cases this is overshadowed by pilot liability since both (pilot and owner) are usually the same, and most accidents are pilot error in some way or another. An LLC may possibly offer a little protection here. If you will have others flying your airplane often, it may be worth looking into. Most people trying to limit their personal liability go at it backwards as in this case. If really concerned, the best way to protect yourself is to legally separate yourself from everything of value that you currently own. That way, folks can sue you and win all day long, however you'll have nothing of value to give them. For instance, having your aircraft owned by an LLC will protect it from creditors should you be sued for something not related to the aircraft, but will do little to protect you from liability related to operating the aircraft. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142498#142498 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: VDO sender installation instructions for the LE tanks
on an
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona(at)suddenlink.net>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
I've got it but I won't be at the airport until next weekend. If you still need it then send me an e-mail off list and I'll scan it and e-mail it to you. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142504#142504 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George Race" <mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com>
Subject: RE: lighting minihelic
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Hi Dan: You can do a very nice job of lighting an instrument with a small red LED. The small "grain of wheat" size works well. Remove the instrument from its case. Remove the glass lens from the case. Drill a small hole the size of the small LED from the outside of the case to where the edge of the glass fits into the case. Install and epoxy the led into the hole so that it just barely touches the glass when installed. Hook the LED, with a proper series resistor to a 12 volt source. Do not hook it to the panel dimmer control. Although it cannot be successfully dimmed, it will cast a nice red glow on the face of the instrument. The glass acts as a conductor of the light and provides nice even illumination. George ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Larger Brake
From: "TxDave" <dclaytx2(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
OK, I'll chill out, Bill. Thanks for your concern about my health. I just wanted to make sure folks who might be considering building from plans are getting the straight poop on my brake. Andy's a good guy who frequently takes the time to be an active member of this group. Nothing wrong with stimulating a good discussion. For anyone interested in building my brake, please be sure to get the latest version of the plans from my website. I've included some bending tips. Also, I would recommend you use the $6.00 stainless steel hinges available from Air Parts, Inc. and steel cherry rivets (MSP-54) from Aircraft Spruce. Later, Dave Clay Temple, TX http://www.daves601xl.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142511#142511 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2007
From: <dredmoody(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: VDO sender installation instructions for the LE
tanks on an I don't know much about the HD and HDS but I believe their airfoil is very different from a 601XL. Given that difference, is the shape of the wing tank different as well? If the shape of the tank is different the bend pattern recommended for a 601XL tank sensor arm might be very different from the pattern recommended for an HD or an HDS. It might be a good idea to call the factory and get the pattern or the missing assembly guide page file sent out. It's just a thought, Dred ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: VDO sender installation instructions for the LE tanks
on an
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona(at)suddenlink.net>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
The VDO sender comes with a set of instructions that are not aircraft specific. The table takes in several dimensions of the tank. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142524#142524 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: a.f.rupp(at)ATT.NET
Subject: VDO sender installation instructions for the LE tanks
on an HD model
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Go to http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6k1b-fuel-sender.pdf and download from the Zenith site. Adjust the arm to get the travel you need, checking with an Ohm meter for indication. You should be able to work it out if nobody else has a better idea. Al Rupp 601XL -------------- Original message from Jaybannist(at)cs.com: -------------- > > Jeff, > > I tried to send you the instructions from the Zenith CD, but it was too large to > go. If you will send me (directly) your address and phone number, I'll FedEx it > to you today. > > Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J >

Go to http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/data/6k1b-fuel-sender.pdf and download from the Zenith site.

Adjust the arm to get the travel you need, checking with an Ohm meter for indication. You should be able to work it out if nobody else has a better idea.

Al Rupp 601XL

-------------- Original message from Jaybannist(at)cs.com: --------------

> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jaybannist(at)cs.com
>
> Jeff,
>
> I tried to send you the instructions from the Zenith CD, but it was too large to
> go. If you will send me (directly) your address and phone number, I'll FedEx it
> to you today.
>
> Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
>

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Date: Oct 29, 2007
From: Tracy <pbuttles(at)charter.net>
Subject: 801 flaperon defection
can anyone tell me if the total flaperon defection on an 801 is 30 degress with full flaperon defection or 30 degress plus the 13 degress of flaperon defaction,and has anyone had to adjust their electic flap motor stops or just used the factory settings? the flaperon bellcracks rubs the floor skin with that much movement Tracy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "robert stone" <rstone4(at)hot.rr.com>
Subject: Re: LLC
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Matt or other interested parties. Here is a legal document drawn up by a lawyer and recomended for use when selling an experemental aircraft. I am not a lawyer and I do not know how much value this document would have to a seller being sued by survivors of someone killed or injured in the aircraft that was sold. I offer it for information only. Bob Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt & Jo To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: Zenith-List: LLC Hello all, I am getting close to submitting my paper work to the FAA and thought I would throw this out. Has any one registered their home built as an LLC. I have some friends that have their aircraft registered to their LLC and they are hoping to avoid liability when or if they sell. I am not sure if it is worth the hassle or if it really will do much. I am not sure that there is really that much risk from layers on private individuals. There just isn't that much money to go after. It is not like going after a large company. There was a good article in Kitplanes or EAA a couple months back. Anyway. Would like to hear opinions on ways to reduce/manage liability. Getting close to moving to the hangar. Cheers Matt www.zodiacxl.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Larger Brake
From: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Dave, how do you keep the clamp from deflecting on a deep skin that's rather wide? I'm using the same type of angle iron (1/4" thick by 3.5" by 3.5") and without my tensioner in the middle, the clamp nose (is that what it's called) deflects a bit. Maybe the way you have it laying flat versus mine inverted with the two edges down like an upside down V tends to deflect more? I don't know? I'm just curious. As beefy as those angle irons are, over an 8' span between clamp points is still a lot of pressure pushing in. Granted, the largest full width skin is the elevator, and in general the skins are .025 and less. Even so, it only takes a millimeter difference in the middle vs the ends to eff up your day. :) For bending brakes that really only require hand tools to make though, I think they're both good. TxDave wrote: > OK, I'll chill out, Bill. Thanks for your concern about my health. I just wanted to make sure folks who might be considering building from plans are getting the straight poop on my brake. Andy's a good guy who frequently takes the time to be an active member of this group. Nothing wrong with stimulating a good discussion. > > For anyone interested in building my brake, please be sure to get the latest version of the plans from my website. I've included some bending tips. Also, I would recommend you use the $6.00 stainless steel hinges available from Air Parts, Inc. and steel cherry rivets (MSP-54) from Aircraft Spruce. > > Later, > Dave Clay > Temple, TX > http://www.daves601xl.com -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142556#142556 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Proseal Use
From: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Just out of curiosity, how does this ProSeal compare to say Permatex gasket sealer? Not that I'm thinking of using that stuff, just curious as to a comparison. From they way people describe it, it sounds like a similar filthy product that's seals well and is hard as hell to get off of anything. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142559#142559 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion.
From: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
I made the mistake once of mentioning what something was going to be used for when I went to Fazzio's in Glassboro, NJ looking for 6061-T6. The guy gave me a big lecture like he was a friggin' pro or something. He probably gave me an earful because he couldn't be sure that what he had labeled as 6061-T6 was actually that. LOL Considering the place is generally a junkhole, albeit they have some good stuff there, I'd never buy anything structural from them labeled 6061-T6. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142561#142561 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve" <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Painting
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Questions about painting.... My fuselage came with zinc chromate primer and thats not a problem. What I d like to know is this: The wings and tail are bare aluminum. What did you do to paint your aluminum ? In the past I ve use Alodine and then painted. That seemed to work good. However the Auto paint store suggested to continue with zinc chromate. I really would like to keep the weight down and the labor less...... I dont recall if aircraft paint shops "prime before paint ?? Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Forney" <dforney(at)bctonline.com>
Subject: Re: Do You Have Plans for Sale
Date: Oct 29, 2007
I am abandoning my 601XL project and would like to sell the fuselage kit (includes the dual-stick option), plans & drawings, etc. Project is located in the Portland Oregon area. I have about $6000.00 into plans & kit pieces. I am asking $4000.00 OBO. Thanks, Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Subject: Re: Painting
Steve, I can't advise you as to what's best. I can tell you that the Zinc C will bleed through paint. On my XL I used PPG two part epoxy primer (two light coats) and two coats of PPG single stage polyuithine. On the left wing bottom near the pitot tube bracket the ZC bled through all four coats. I cannot recommend you try to paint over the stuff, Course, if you do and it looks okay thats great, just what happened to me. Best regards, Bill of Georgia ************************************** ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve" <notsew_evets(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Painting
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Thanks Bill What I have done so far and that was recommended by the auto paint guy is this: I used a sealer/primer over the zinc chromate. The sealer is to stop bleeding thru of the ZC. I guess the auto paint guy is sharp on whats best. I did not want the expense of more ZC primer and want to not use it, period. I dont think aircraft paint shops use ZC always. They ( I think ) use Alodine as an etch and then paint. Thought I d ask here on the website. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Painting Steve, I can't advise you as to what's best. I can tell you that the Zinc C will bleed through paint. On my XL I used PPG two part epoxy primer (two light coats) and two coats of PPG single stage polyuithine. On the left wing bottom near the pitot tube bracket the ZC bled through all four coats. I cannot recommend you try to paint over the stuff, Course, if you do and it looks okay thats great, just what happened to me. Best regards, Bill of Georgia **************** ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <paulrod36(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: RE: lighting minihelic
Date: Oct 29, 2007
There's also another way: Some years ago a masked outlaw broke into my Skyhawk. He took a sheet of 1/8th inch plexiglas and duplicated the instrument panel cover, making cutouts for each instrument and the pegs on the back of the cover. This arch fiend then proceeded to run wires and wheat-grain bulbs, in parallel,two for each instrument (roughly 10 and 2 oclock) and poked the bulbs through appropriately-sized holes in the plastic. This evil monster then inserted the package under the stock panel cover, and ran the wires to the existing rheostat. After performing his hideous deed, he skulked away in the dark of the night and I never saw him again. I am still incensed that someone would to this to a perfectly good certified aircraft. I will never forgive him for bathing each instrument in a controllable glow. Now that I think about it, he may have done the same dastardly deed on other unsuspecting aircraft, but in red plastic. Someday I may report that vandal. Paul Rodriguez 601XL Corvair ----- Original Message ----- From: George Race<mailto:mykitairplane(at)mrrace.com> To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Zenith-List: RE: lighting minihelic Hi Dan: You can do a very nice job of lighting an instrument with a small red LED. The small "grain of wheat" size works well. Remove the instrument from its case. Remove the glass lens from the case. Drill a small hole the size of the small LED from the outside of the case to where the edge of the glass fits into the case. Install and epoxy the led into the hole so that it just barely touches the glass when installed. Hook the LED, with a proper series resistor to a 12 volt source. Do not hook it to the panel dimmer control. Although it cannot be successfully dimmed, it will cast a nice red glow on the face of the instrument. The glass acts as a conductor of the light and provides nice even illumination. George http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List avigator?Zenith-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <paulrod36(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: LLC
Date: Oct 29, 2007
That's a nice document, but I would add another paragraph: "Seller warrants and guarantees to buyer that operation of said aircraft, including its removal from ground level, will result in one of four occurances on each and every occasion: a: Personal enjoyment b: Minor injury c: Serious injury d: Death" Then, no matter what happens "Buyer knew or should have known,.....:" etc Paul Rodriguez ----- Original Message ----- From: robert stone<mailto:rstone4(at)hot.rr.com> To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: LLC Matt or other interested parties. Here is a legal document drawn up by a lawyer and recomended for use when selling an experemental aircraft. I am not a lawyer and I do not know how much value this document would have to a seller being sued by survivors of someone killed or injured in the aircraft that was sold. I offer it for information only. Bob Stone Harker Heights, Tx ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt & Jo<mailto:archermj(at)swbell.net> To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: Zenith-List: LLC Hello all, I am getting close to submitting my paper work to the FAA and thought I would throw this out. Has any one registered their home built as an LLC. I have some friends that have their aircraft registered to their LLC and they are hoping to avoid liability when or if they sell. I am not sure if it is worth the hassle or if it really will do much. I am not sure that there is really that much risk from layers on private individuals. There just isn't that much money to go after. It is not like going after a large company. There was a good article in Kitplanes or EAA a couple months back. Anyway. Would like to hear opinions on ways to reduce/manage liability. Getting close to moving to the hangar. Cheers Matt www.zodiacxl.com<http://www.zodiacxl.com/>. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <paulrod36(at)msn.com>
Subject: A new thread
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Does anybody know what the process is to anodyne sheet aluminum in colors? It strikes me that if your whole plane was skinned in, say, blue, or red, the only weight you'd have to carry would be the paint for some nice stripes and the N-number. Let the games begin! Paul Rodriguez ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: LLC
From: "Papa Foxtrot" <papa.foxtrot1955(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
rstone4(at)hot.rr.com wrote: > Here is a legal document drawn up by a lawyer and recomended for use when selling an experemental aircraft. Keep in mind that you can't waive someone else's rights, so those agreements would not be binding on the purchaser's survivors. While they're not necessarily a bad idea, "hold harmless" agreements are generally worthless once you get to court. Also, nothing can prevent you from being sued. Even if the suit is groundless, you still have to defend yourself. Not a lawyer's opinion, but an insurance underwriter's... PF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142602#142602 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Graeme" <graeme(at)coletoolcentre.com.au>
Subject: Re: Larger Brake
Date: Oct 30, 2007
The secret of the brake as I see it is there is a stainless steel hinge which runs the whole length of the brake. thus eliminating the flex we get in a standard brake. I also have a brake which is hinged at either end but if I was starting now I would build this brake. Graemecns ----- Original Message ----- From: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:44 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Larger Brake > > Hey, sorry, looks like it works well then. All I know is my brake. even > made out of the same heavy steel, would not make a straight enough bend > for my tastes until I put the tensioner bar on the top clamp piece. > Obviously you can bend a deep wide skin and that's good. I'm just > surprised it can do it without the tensioner. Without the tensioner on > mine, I noticed a slight banana shape to the part. If you can get away > without the tensioner for some reason that's great, I'm honestly surprised > it doesn't need one considering the distance between the clamp bolts. > > > TxDave wrote: >> Excuse me. If you use a little of the gray matter God put between your >> ears, you can bend ANYTHING you'll need for the 601XL with my brake. >> >> "Deep skins"??? I'm guessing that means control surface skins like flaps >> and ailerons. They are not a problem (see attached photos). >> >> Folks...if you have any questions about the free brake plans I have been >> happily providing for over a year now, just ask me. Don't rely on someone >> else's assumptions. >> >> Dave Clay >> Temple, TX > > > -------- > Andy Shontz > CH601XL - Corvair > www.mykitlog.com/ashontz > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142456#142456 > > > -- > 26/10/2007 8:50 AM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2007
From: "Rob St Denis" <rob(at)iahu.ca>
Subject: chat
http://chat.iahu.ca/ at 8pm est tonight ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "n801bh(at)netzero.com" <n801bh(at)netzero.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Subject: Re: 801 flaperon defection
My 801 did the same thing when adjusted to the full flap setting. I set mine so just as the bellcrank get close to the lower fuselage skin the m icroswitch stops the flap motor. Trust me, you won' want to get to full flaps. net> wrote: can anyone tell me if the total flaperon defection on an 801 is 30 degr ess with full flaperon defection or 30 degress plus the 13 degress of fl aperon defaction,and has anyone had to adjust their electic flap motor s tops or just used the factory settings? the flaperon bellcracks rubs the floor skin with that much movement Tracy ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: lighting minihelic
From: "leinad" <leinad(at)hughes.net>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
George, You're idea sounds good. In fact I thought of doing that but I'm afraid that the instrument case may be a pressure vessel of sorts, and was afraid to compromise the integrity of the case. I'd love to hear from someone that has actually used this method on a Dwyer Minihelic without ill effect. Dan [quote="georgerace"]Hi Dan: You can do a very nice job of lighting an instrument with a small red LED. The small "grain of wheat" size works well. Remove the instrument from its case. Remove the glass lens from the case. Drill a small hole the size of the small LED from the outside of the case to where the edge of the glass fits into the case. Install and epoxy the led into the hole so that it just barely touches the glass when installed. Hook the LED, with a proper series resistor to a 12 volt source. Do not hook it to the panel dimmer control. Although it cannot be successfully dimmed, it will cast a nice red glow on the face of the instrument. The glass acts as a conductor of the light and provides nice even illumination. George > [b] -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142625#142625 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: lighting minihelic
From: "leinad" <leinad(at)hughes.net>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Paul, Thanks for the reply, and normally that'd be the perfect method, but the minihelic installs like a lot of auto instrument gages. It is held on by having the lens larger than the case, and mounted through a hole the size of the case, then clamped from the back. To use the "vandals" method I'd have to find a way to mount the gage behind the panel, without the standard instrument mounting screws. I'm starting to sound like "there's hole in the bucket dear Ida".. Still worth some thought though. Thanks again. Dan Dempsey [quote="paulrod36(at)msn.com"] There's also another way: Some years ago a masked outlaw broke into my Skyhawk. He took a sheet of 1/8th inch plexiglas and duplicated the instrument panel cover, making cutouts for each instrument and the pegs on the back of the cover. This arch fiend then proceeded to run wires and wheat-grain bulbs, in parallel,two for each instrument (roughly 10 and 2 oclock) and poked the bulbs through appropriately-sized holes in the plastic. This evil monster then inserted the package under the stock panel cover, and ran the wires to the existing rheostat. After performing his hideous deed, he skulked away in the dark of the night and I never saw him again. I am still incensed that someone would to this to a perfectly good certified aircraft. I will never forgive him for bathing each instrument in a controllable glow. Now that I think about it, he may have done the same dastardly deed on other unsuspecting aircraft, but in red plastic. Someday I may report that vandal. Paul Rodriguez 601XL Corvair > --- -------- Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142627#142627 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2007
From: "Sean Moore" <moore.sean(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion.
On 10/29/07, Art Gibeaut wrote: > > > Bill is giving you good advice. I'm in the steel and aluminum business and > fully engrossed in the quality side of metals. I'm also a new builder of a > Zentih CH 701 and would never ever buy aluminum from anyone but reputable > aviation supply sources. > > This answers a question I've been afraid to ask as of yet. Thank you. Price is nice but if you can't trust it... Along that vein, does anyone know of a reputable supplier local to Denver, CO? -- Sean Moore moore.sean(at)gmail.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 29, 2007
From: Tracy <pbuttles(at)charter.net>
Subject: re:801 flaperon deflection
Thanks for the reply do you know how many degrees of flaps you have? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A new thread
From: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona(at)suddenlink.net>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote: > I don't think that bending an anodized aluminum sheet would be recommended. The surface is harder, but it is also more brittle, less ductile. Which is what I meant by weaker. I probably should have said brittle. -------- W.R. "Gig" Giacona 601XL Under Construction See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142672#142672 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Mack Kreizenbeck" <aprazer(at)cableone.net>
Subject: Stolen Aircraft
Date: Oct 29, 2007
I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but a 2003 Zenith CH2000D, N652AM, S/N 20-1022 was stolen from the American Falls Idaho Airport sometime between October 5th and 12th. This bird is white with blue and yellow stripes. If you see it, contact your local police or Seth Magid of AIG Aviation 800-969-5473. There is a $10,000 reward! Mack P. Kreizenbeck ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Larger Brake
From: "TxDave" <dclaytx2(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Oct 29, 2007
Hey Andy, The top piece of angle (I call it the top plate) is flat against the aluminum. I have pretty large bolts running through my table and a 1x4 board attached under my table for strength. I'm no engineer...so I don't have a technical explanation. It just works, that's all I know. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142685#142685 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob Unternaehrer" <shilocom(at)mcmsys.com>
Subject: Re: Painting
Date: Oct 30, 2007
I would continue to use a primer, but switch to self etching primers. Zinc Chromate can be effected by some modern epoxy and catalyzed eurathanes, so use caution. If you don't want to prime use the etches and alodines available. DuPont calls theirs Part A and Part B paint prep I believe, and just follow instructions. I've done Both. Bob U. ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Painting Questions about painting.... My fuselage came with zinc chromate primer and thats not a problem. What I d like to know is this: The wings and tail are bare aluminum. What did you do to paint your aluminum ? In the past I ve use Alodine and then painted. That seemed to work good. However the Auto paint store suggested to continue with zinc chromate. I really would like to keep the weight down and the labor less...... I dont recall if aircraft paint shops "prime before paint ?? Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Larger Brake
From: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org>
Date: Oct 30, 2007
TxDave wrote: > Hey Andy, > > The top piece of angle (I call it the top plate) is flat against the aluminum. I have pretty large bolts running through my table and a 1x4 board attached under my table for strength. I'm no engineer...so I don't have a technical explanation. It just works, that's all I know. > > Dave As I see it, your brake is excellent for spars for sure. The really difficult part is when you have to have clamp points for the bolts only at the ends of the top plate (like when doing a wide deep skin). No different than my brake when doing a piece like that. You really have to keep that top plate from flexing. As far as the bottom plate (the bender), your brake has an advanage there in that it's supported along the entire length where as mine is designed like Larry's brake, pivots on the ends. That being the case I need a tensioner on the bottom as well as the top, but it works well. I'm just wondering about the mechanics of the top plate on yours and why it manages to stay put even though for a wide deep skin it's only bolts at the ends with a good 7 foot stretch between clamp points. In addition to my tensioner bars I've considered going back and adding another welded plate inside of the upside down V as additional support, same with the bending tongue. It works for now, but as I use it I see better ways to design it. A welded plate would add a lot more reinforcing to keep the angles from warping as pressure is applied. A tube (triangular tube in this case) is a lot stronger than an angle. If you put a micrometer on mine when under force you'd probably see the dimension between the two angle legs decrease in the middle by a millimeter or two. Pretty amazing that even steel will flex that much when bending a piece of aluminum, but the process of making a proper bend in aluminum is deceptively more complicated. -------- Andy Shontz CH601XL - Corvair www.mykitlog.com/ashontz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142713#142713 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: "Dino Bortolin" <dbortol(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: lighting minihelic
Dan, The case does connect directly to one of the pressure ports. The black ring around the outer edge of the face is painted on. If you look at it from the side, you can see that clear plastic lies below the thin black layer. I was thinking to make a small hole in the flange of the case, radially outboard as far as possible, to mount a small LED which would shine into the back side of the clear layer. I need to take the face off my gauge again to make sure that it wouldn't affect the seal between the face and case. Dino Bortolin On 10/29/07, leinad wrote: > > > George, > You're idea sounds good. In fact I thought of doing that but I'm afraid > that the instrument case may be a pressure vessel of sorts, and was afraid > to compromise the integrity of the case. I'd love to hear from someone that > has actually used this method on a Dwyer Minihelic without ill effect. > Dan > > [quote="georgerace"]Hi Dan: > > You can do a very nice job of lighting an instrument with a small red > LED. The small "grain of wheat" size works well. > > Remove the instrument from its case. > Remove the glass lens from the case. > Drill a small hole the size of the small LED from the outside of the case > to where the edge of the glass fits into the case. > Install and epoxy the led into the hole so that it just barely touches > the glass when installed. > > Hook the LED, with a proper series resistor to a 12 volt source. Do not > hook it to the panel dimmer control. > > Although it cannot be successfully dimmed, it will cast a nice red glow > on the face of the instrument. The glass acts as a conductor of the light > and provides nice even illumination. > > George > > > [b] > > > -------- > Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142625#142625 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Herb Heaton" <Heatonhe36(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion.
Date: Oct 30, 2007
Sean, Try ALRECO ( Aluminum Recycling Co ) just north of Denver. The sheet aluminum and Spar Cap material I purchased was new and had the MFG lot numbers stamped on the material. He only takes cash or checks, no credit cards. ALRECO Aluminum Surplus 11299 Brighton Rd, Henderson, CO 303-287-7210 Herb Colorado Springs, CO ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean Moore<mailto:moore.sean(at)gmail.com> To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Auto Conversion Discussion. On 10/29/07, Art Gibeaut > wrote: > Bill is giving you good advice. I'm in the steel and aluminum business and fully engrossed in the quality side of metals. I'm also a new builder of a Zentih CH 701 and would never ever buy aluminum from anyone but reputable aviation supply sources. This answers a question I've been afraid to ask as of yet. Thank you. Price is nice but if you can't trust it... Along that vein, does anyone know of a reputable supplier local to Denver, CO? -- Sean Moore moore.sean(at)gmail.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List avigator?Zenith-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Piano hinge lube
From: "Tim Juhl" <juhl(at)avci.net>
Date: Oct 30, 2007
What is the consensus on the best lube for the piano hinges used on the various control surfaces of the XL. Cessna recommends graphite powder - Piper used some hinges where the pin was inside a teflon sleeve. Comments? Tim -------- ______________ CFII Champ L16A flying Zodiac XL - Jabiru 3300A Working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142751#142751 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Piano hinge lube
Date: Oct 30, 2007
Whatever is used should provide some corrosion inhibition because the pin and the inside of the barrels will corrode otherwise. I'm leaning toward an automotive grease once all the painting is done. That will require a small insertion hole accurately located in at least one of the stabilizer tips. The flap hinge is easier because the aileron design allows access to the barrels from the outboard end without any fancy footwork. Dred ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Juhl To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Zenith-List: Piano hinge lube What is the consensus on the best lube for the piano hinges used on the various control surfaces of the XL. Cessna recommends graphite powder - Piper used some hinges where the pin was inside a teflon sleeve. Comments? Tim ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: John Davis <johnd@data-tech.com>
Subject: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off
Just got a flyer from Wicks that they are offering 15% off on sheet metal orders over $200 in November. Use code 117 when ordering. John Davis Burnsville, NC 601XL - Jab 3300 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: Michael Hilderbrand <m_hilderbrand(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 601 Tail kit for sale
I now have my Tail Kit for sale. It would be "ideal" for someone to pick it up instead of spending A LOT of money on crating/packaging & shipping. I will have a professional packaging service pack and ship the tail, and thei r price is based on the buyers zip code. Anyone interestead let me know.. May the best man win! =0A=0A$900 OBO ( + packaging & shipping)=0APics at h ttp://www.kansasflying.com/601xl=0A=0A =0AMichael Hilderbrand=0ADerby, Kans as ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "wade jones" <wjones(at)brazoriainet.com>
Subject: Re: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off
Date: Oct 30, 2007
Hello group ,I have been reading posts on 6061-T6 sheet Aluminum .I have been paying $60.00 for .025 4' X 12' sheets .Each time they give a certified copy of the CCs .I pick it up myself and have never had any damage .The company is Trident in Houston TX and has several locations .The last time (one month ago) my sales person had quit and another sales person quoted me a price of $98.00 per sheet .When I told him that I had been paying much less he also sold it for $60.00 ,must be a good mark up. Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Davis" <johnd@data-tech.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off > > Just got a flyer from Wicks that they are offering 15% off on sheet metal > orders over $200 in November. Use code 117 when ordering. > > John Davis > Burnsville, NC > 601XL - Jab 3300 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Piano hinge lube
From: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 30, 2007
LPS #2 spray lubricant works well. I use it a few times a year on all the hinges, controls etc. It penetrates well and forms a film that is supposed to last 1 year outdoors. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142807#142807 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: Tracy <pbuttles(at)charter.net>
Subject: 801 with LOM
Would like to talk to anyone who has put the LOM engine in their 801,pros cons ,does,don`ts flying carcteristics,installation does and don`ts also looking for anyone who need builder assitance on there 801,701,601,or others ,i do sheet metal work ,tube and fabric,basic structure or complete,located in ne wi, 20.oo an hour shop rate,or we can talk total package 920 982 2509 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Phil Maxson <pmaxpmax(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Looking for a few parts
Date: Oct 30, 2007
Larry, After two years of flying, I'm missing building! I wish I had gone with a tail-dragger before. Anyway, live and learn. I'll respond to you off-list .Phil Maxson 601XL/Corvair Northwest New Jersey From: LHusky(at)aol.comDate: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:58:13 -0400Subject: Zenith-Li st: Looking for a few partsTo: zenith-list(at)matronics.com < I am looking for landing gear components. Main spring gear, front leg, forks, tires, wheels, brakes, or anything that your not using. < _________________________________________________________________ ! ilnews ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: Juan Vega <amyvega2005(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Piano hinge lube
ditto on the LPS 2. Juan -----Original Message----- >From: steveadams <dr_steve_adams(at)yahoo.com> >Sent: Oct 30, 2007 4:08 PM >To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Piano hinge lube > > >LPS #2 spray lubricant works well. I use it a few times a year on all the hinges, controls etc. It penetrates well and forms a film that is supposed to last 1 year outdoors. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142807#142807 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off
> How much is .016? --- wade jones wrote: > > > Hello group ,I have been reading posts on 6061-T6 > sheet Aluminum .I have > been paying $60.00 for .025 4' X 12' sheets .Each > time they give a > certified copy of the CCs .I pick it up myself and > have never had any > damage .The company is Trident in Houston TX and has > several locations .The > last time (one month ago) my sales person had quit > and another sales person > quoted me a price of $98.00 per sheet .When I told > him that I had been > paying much less he also sold it for $60.00 ,must be > a good mark up. > Wade Jones South Texas > 601XL plans building > Cont. 0200 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Davis" <johnd@data-tech.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:21 PM > Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - > 15% off > > > <johnd@data-tech.com> > > > > Just got a flyer from Wicks that they are offering > 15% off on sheet metal > > orders over $200 in November. Use code 117 when > ordering. > > > > John Davis > > Burnsville, NC > > 601XL - Jab 3300 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: Art Olechowski <ifly4fun2(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Piano hinge lube
I worked quick turnaround maintenance on heavies in Sanford, FL and we stored all the tug tow carts outside on the ramp. We used LPS 2 religiously on them with excellent results. Art --- Juan Vega wrote: > > > ditto on the LPS 2. > > Juan > > -----Original Message----- > >From: steveadams <dr_steve_adams(at)yahoo.com> > >Sent: Oct 30, 2007 4:08 PM > >To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com > >Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Piano hinge lube > > > > > > >LPS #2 spray lubricant works well. I use it a few > times a year on all the hinges, controls etc. It > penetrates well and forms a film that is supposed to > last 1 year outdoors. > > > > > > > > > >Read this topic online here: > > > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142807#142807 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "wade jones" <wjones(at)brazoriainet.com>
Subject: Re: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off
Date: Oct 30, 2007
They will not sell .016 ,too much trouble in the past . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT SCEPPA" <rjscep(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off > >> How much is .016? > --- wade jones wrote: > >> >> >> Hello group ,I have been reading posts on 6061-T6 >> sheet Aluminum .I have >> been paying $60.00 for .025 4' X 12' sheets .Each >> time they give a >> certified copy of the CCs .I pick it up myself and >> have never had any >> damage .The company is Trident in Houston TX and has >> several locations .The >> last time (one month ago) my sales person had quit >> and another sales person >> quoted me a price of $98.00 per sheet .When I told >> him that I had been >> paying much less he also sold it for $60.00 ,must be >> a good mark up. >> Wade Jones South Texas >> 601XL plans building >> Cont. 0200 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Davis" <johnd@data-tech.com> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:21 PM >> Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - >> 15% off >> >> >> <johnd@data-tech.com> >> > >> > Just got a flyer from Wicks that they are offering >> 15% off on sheet metal >> > orders over $200 in November. Use code 117 when >> ordering. >> > >> > John Davis >> > Burnsville, NC >> > 601XL - Jab 3300 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> browse >> Subscriptions page, >> FAQ, >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >> >> Web Forums! >> >> >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: Dan <dwilde(at)clearwire.net>
Subject: Tachometer Problems
I ran my new Rotax 912S today and it ran great. However, the tachometer went crazy above 3000 rpm so I could not throttle the engine all the way up to check the max rpm's. This was a tach supplied by Zenith. Has anyone else had this problem. All of the connections seem secure. Dan Wilde ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: GeorgeM <planelists(at)optonline.net>
Subject: Re: lighting minihelic
> Thanks. I've heard about post lights but never seen one. I'll look into > it. > It might be the perfect solution. I have one other gage (EGT/CHT) that > isn't presently lit, but the other ideas that have been talked about would > work good on that one. > Dan Here is one: http://www.engalt.com/aviation.htm George ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: <dredmoody(at)cox.net>
Subject: Serial to gray code converter
Hey guys, I've got an encoder that puts out serial altitude data and a Becker 4401-1 transponder that accepts only gray code altitude data. Anybody out there have any experience with the Dynon serial to gray code converter module? Any info or advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Dred ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GLENN JOHNSON <gljno10(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Serial to gray code converter
Date: Oct 30, 2007
HI DRED I USED THE GREY CODE WITH MY DYNON AND A KING TRANSPONDER. I GOT MY WIRING HOOKUP ON LINE FROM KING WEB SITE I THINK. I WENT TO A LOCAL AVIONICS SHO P AND THE GUY GAVE ME A BUNCH OF CONNECTERS FOR FREE. I BOUGHT MY ENCODERE R FROM AIRCRAFT SPRUCE. THE INSTRUCTION FOR THE ENCODER CAME WITH THE ENCO DER. IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION I'LL DIG OUT MY PAPER WORK. GLENN > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:32:30 -0400> From: dredmoody(at)cox.net> To: zenit h-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Zenith-List: Serial to gray code converter> got an encoder that puts out serial altitude data and a Becker 4401-1 trans ponder that accepts only gray code altitude data. > > Anybody out there hav e any experience with the Dynon serial to gray code converter module? Any i =======> > > _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!- Play Star Shuffle:- the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oc t ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off
Date: Oct 30, 2007
To much trouble? In what way. Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: "wade jones" <wjones(at)brazoriainet.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:31 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off > > They will not sell .016 ,too much trouble in the past . > Wade Jones South Texas > 601XL plans building > Cont. 0200 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ROBERT SCEPPA" <rjscep(at)yahoo.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off > > >> >>> How much is .016? >> --- wade jones wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Hello group ,I have been reading posts on 6061-T6 >>> sheet Aluminum .I have >>> been paying $60.00 for .025 4' X 12' sheets .Each >>> time they give a >>> certified copy of the CCs .I pick it up myself and >>> have never had any >>> damage .The company is Trident in Houston TX and has >>> several locations .The >>> last time (one month ago) my sales person had quit >>> and another sales person >>> quoted me a price of $98.00 per sheet .When I told >>> him that I had been >>> paying much less he also sold it for $60.00 ,must be >>> a good mark up. >>> Wade Jones South Texas >>> 601XL plans building >>> Cont. 0200 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Davis" <johnd@data-tech.com> >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:21 PM >>> Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - >>> 15% off >>> >>> >>> <johnd@data-tech.com> >>> > >>> > Just got a flyer from Wicks that they are offering >>> 15% off on sheet metal >>> > orders over $200 in November. Use code 117 when >>> ordering. >>> > >>> > John Davis >>> > Burnsville, NC >>> > 601XL - Jab 3300 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> browse >>> Subscriptions page, >>> FAQ, >>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >>> >>> Web Forums! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Burger and a chat
From: "Wingrider" <rwhitt3(at)HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Oct 30, 2007
Any updates? Is this still on? -------- Rich Whittington Tullahoma, TN Zenith 601HDS Under Construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142865#142865 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 30, 2007
Subject: Re:Jabiru Cooling
Hey guys: Anyone out there redone the cooling on a Jabiru 3300 and gotten rid of the cooling ducts? I have sent e-mails to Pete at USA Jabiru and Bob at RL aviation and can not get answers about helping me with new cooling ducts for my Jabiru. I am willing to try anything that works. My 3300 cooled fine in California, and on the way home to Florida. But once I got here, the temps went up. (Over 350 at economy cruise) Lynn Nelsen ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "sales@steelframe" <sales(at)steelframe.com.au>
Subject: Re:Jabiru Cooling
Date: Oct 31, 2007
What you gotta do is modify the lower cowl to suck more air out, I can send you a photo if you want to contact me, But Do not touch the cooling ducts, also what type of aircraft ? Regards Ron Saarinen ----- Original Message ----- From: IFLYSMODEL(at)aol.com To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re:Jabiru Cooling Hey guys: Anyone out there redone the cooling on a Jabiru 3300 and gotten rid of the cooling ducts? I have sent e-mails to Pete at USA Jabiru and Bob at RL aviation and can not get answers about helping me with new cooling ducts for my Jabiru. I am willing to try anything that works. My 3300 cooled fine in California, and on the way home to Florida. But once I got here, the temps went up. (Over 350 at economy cruise) Lynn Nelsen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what' ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "wade jones" <wjones(at)brazoriainet.com>
Subject: Re: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off
Date: Oct 30, 2007
They will not handle anyrthing under .025 .They said that the lighter thickness material was very hard for them to receive without shipping damage . Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building Cont. 0200 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off > > > To much trouble? In what way. Joe N101HD > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wade jones" <wjones(at)brazoriainet.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off > > >> >> They will not sell .016 ,too much trouble in the past . >> Wade Jones South Texas 601XL plans building >> Cont. 0200 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ROBERT SCEPPA" <rjscep(at)yahoo.com> >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:22 PM >> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - 15% off >> >> >>> >>>> How much is .016? >>> --- wade jones wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello group ,I have been reading posts on 6061-T6 >>>> sheet Aluminum .I have been paying $60.00 for .025 4' X 12' sheets >>>> .Each >>>> time they give a certified copy of the CCs .I pick it up myself and >>>> have never had any damage .The company is Trident in Houston TX and has >>>> several locations .The last time (one month ago) my sales person had >>>> quit >>>> and another sales person quoted me a price of $98.00 per sheet .When I >>>> told >>>> him that I had been paying much less he also sold it for $60.00 ,must >>>> be >>>> a good mark up. >>>> Wade Jones South Texas >>>> 601XL plans building >>>> Cont. 0200 >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "John Davis" <johnd@data-tech.com> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:21 PM >>>> Subject: Zenith-List: Sheet Metal sale at Wicks - >>>> 15% off >>>> >>>> >>>> <johnd@data-tech.com> >>>> > >>>> > Just got a flyer from Wicks that they are offering >>>> 15% off on sheet metal >>>> > orders over $200 in November. Use code 117 when >>>> ordering. >>>> > >>>> > John Davis >>>> > Burnsville, NC >>>> > 601XL - Jab 3300 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> browse >>>> Subscriptions page, >>>> FAQ, >>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List >>>> >>>> Web Forums! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Rotax 912 UL high oil pressure
From: "Edward Micallef" <edmica2(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 30, 2007
: : :( Hi you all, I have changed the Rotax oil filter with an other Rotax oil filter and drained the oil witch was all syentec and replaced with a 10w 40 oil recommend by Rotax. I also removed the sender and bench tested . Checked out good flew the plane for 3hrs , the oil pressure is mostly in the 80psi at 5k rpm ..at 2k rpm. it drops to around 65psi...at one time when I let the rpm go to 58k the oil psi went down to about 65psi.. The engine runs great . any comments?. Keep your air speed up and happy landings...Ed Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142898#142898 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2007
From: Rosestar <rosestar(at)sonic.net>
Subject: Jabiru Cooling
I just heard a suggestion last weekend that sounds like it might work. Add a one inch extension strip of aluminum to the "lip" on the aft bottom of the of the lower cowling. Just this much will help create a slip stream in climb and allow the air in the engine compartment to escape. As the cowling is now, there is too much pressure on the bottom cowling starting at a 4% climb to allow the air to escape. This was a simple fix by my new builder friend Ray on his old Luscombe, which the factory adopted to solve its cooling issue years ago. He suggested this to another 601 owner with a Jabiru 3300. At least in climb the cooling should improve. Any thoughts? Brad DeMeo N601BD still working and trying to finish soon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Jabiru Cooling
Date: Oct 31, 2007
This kind of extension worked great on my XL this past Summer with temps in the mid to hi 90ies. I believe the newer Jab FWF packages for the XL have improved cowling for more cooling, in addition to the newer engines having improved ram air ducts and more cooling fin area on the cylinders . Tony Graziano 601XL/Jab 3300; 314 hrs Jabiru Cooling From: Rosestar (rosestar(at)sonic.net) Date: Tue Oct 30 - 10:31 PM I just heard a suggestion last weekend that sounds like it might work. Add a one inch extension strip of aluminum to the "lip" on the aft bottom of the of the lower cowling. Just this much will help create a slip stream in climb and allow the air in the engine compartment to escape. As the cowling is now, there is too much pressure on the bottom cowling starting at a 4% climb to allow the air to escape. This was a simple fix by my new builder friend Ray on his old Luscombe, which the factory adopted to solve its cooling issue years ago. He suggested this to another 601 owner with a Jabiru 3300. At least in climb the cooling should improve. Any thoughts? Brad DeMeo N601BD still working and trying to finish soon ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 601XL form blocks joggle and crimp cutouts
From: "Jugle" <glenn(at)eastcoastit.net>
Date: Oct 30, 2007
Forgive me if I'm getting a bit pedantic here, but I just want to be sure. Where I've notched out the form blocks for the joggle for the spar and for the crimps along the rib edges, do I need to round those edges off like the rest of the block? I'm concerned that if I bash with a hammer and wooden block to follow those recesses I might get some cracking... or is the bend shallow enough to cope? What have you done? Glenn. -------- Glenn Andressen 601XL- just started. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142906#142906 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2007
From: "Larry Winger" <larrywinger(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 601XL form blocks joggle and crimp cutouts
I didn't round them, and didn't have any problem with cracking. The joggle just isn't that extreme, and you shouldn't need to beat them down with great force. You should be fine. Larry Winger 601XL/Corvair Scratch building Wings 80% done On 10/30/07, Jugle wrote: > > > Forgive me if I'm getting a bit pedantic here, but I just want to be sure. > Where I've notched out the form blocks for the joggle for the spar and for > the crimps along the rib edges, do I need to round those edges off like the > rest of the block? > > I'm concerned that if I bash with a hammer and wooden block to follow > those recesses I might get some cracking... or is the bend shallow enough to > cope? > > What have you done? > > Glenn. > > -------- > Glenn Andressen > 601XL- just started. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142906#142906 > >

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