Failure Detection and Annunciation


Subject:    Failure Detection and Annunciation
From:    Robert L. Nuckolls, III (nuckolls.bob@aeroelectric.com)
Date:    Sat Nov 14 - 7:00 AM
Bob,

Was reviewing your article: 
<http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Failure_Detection_and_Annunciation.pdf>http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Failure_Detection_and_Annunciation.pdf 


     Alan, sorry for the delay on this. I'm fielding input from
     the List on three different computers which scatters
     my to-answer list over three in-boxes. I have to scan
     the forum archives from time to time to make sure I
     don't have any dangling conversations!

I want to annunciate the failure of a 12v scavenge pump to draw 
current. You mention such a circuit being used on a heated pitot but 
I was wondering if it mattered if the load was a pump motor? Full 
load would be approximately 5 amps and it needs to be running 
whenever the engine is running. I figured the LED would come on 
whenever I put power to the ECU and Ignition and would quickly go out 
if the scavenge pump was pulling power as it should. Thus, even if I 
"forgot" to flip the switch for the scavenge pump, the LED would 
illuminate until I did AND the pump was pulling power.

     Sounds like a plan

Any problem with a motor as opposed to a resistance load? Any other 
things I should consider?

     There are many ways to deduce whether or not an accessory
     is drawing the expected current (and therefore assumed
     functional).  Since your pump has a 100% duty cycle,
     perhaps it would be better to rig the annunciation such
     that you have a warning light which speaks to the pump
     NOT running. It's a human factors thing that an undesirable
     condition be annunciated by turning a light ON as opposed
     to watching to make sure a light doesn't turn OFF.

     The reed-switch current relay I illustrated in that
     article has been incorporated by the thousands in all
     manner of monitored systems for many years. A friend of
     mine has been manufacturing those sensors in a wide
     variety of current detection levels for decades.

     I would not discourage you from crafting a similar
     device . . . but they DO require a bit of tinkering
     on the bench to make sure that the reed is going to
     be closed when it's supposed to . . .

     Further, keep in mind that the warning light side
     of the sensor system needs to be powered from some
     source OTHER than power that runs the motor. You don't
     want a failure warning light to be dark just because
     the supply fuse/breaker is open.

     Further, you'll want to have a pre-flight test item
     that checks the light for operation by turning the
     pump switch OFF.

Emacs!

     Power to the light doesn't need "protection"
     with fuse or breaker if you mount the resistor
     close to the bus-tap . . . the resistor's
     current limiting qualities protects the wiring.
     A 1K resistor can be installed in the source
     wire like . . .

http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Homeless/Homeless_Components.htm

     Build your relay so that it pulls in with
     anything over 2A or so.

     http://jameco.com  sells reed capsules.


        Bob . . .

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