NICO,
NO, SS is twice the weight per foot as Aluminum. .080 VS .0453
Typo error.
Tylor Hall
On Nov 15, 2009, at 4:07 PM, nico css wrote:
> Tylor,
> Aluminum is 5 times heavier than SS? I guess wall-thickness will have
something to do with it, right?
> Nico
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor
Hall
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AC-680FLP Hydraulic line problems
>
> SS 1/4" tubing is 0.08 lbs per foot, and Alum 1/4" tubing is 0.453 lb.
per foot.
> 300 feet of tubing exchanged out would be 13.50 lb. added to the empty
weight.
> :)
> Tylor Hall
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Donald Falik wrote:
>
>> Thank goodness it wasn't Skydrol. The failure of the line in the
baggage compartment was difficult to find because it was just a pin hole
at the point that it was chafing against an adjacent line. The second
failure shortly thereafter was out side of the compartment in the wing
root and just dumped the fluid outside along the fuselage. That was the
one due to an improper flare. The mechanic showed it to me.
>>
>> From: Tom Fisher <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 10:00:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: AC-680FLP Hydraulic line problems
>>
>> In addition to the last failure two years before that the line
entering the baggage compartment from the right wing root ruptured at a
chaff point and pissed Skydrol all over the main wiring bundle which
dissolved all the insulation on most of the wires. I had to replace
almost all the wires in the bundle. Once that was done and paid for I
wrapped the entire bundle in a Skydrol proof sheath so they would be
protected from any other leaks that may occur in the future.
>>
>> Tom
>> Formally C-GISS
>> 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Donald Falik
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: AC-680FLP Hydraulic line problems
>>
>> I can relate a similar issue with my 500S. I had one line fail due
to chafing in the baggage area. Boy was that a mess when the fluid
erupted in the baggage compartment. Shortly thereafter another line
failed just beyond the repaired one and it was due to an improper flare
from a previous repair.
>> Don
>>
>> From: Chris <cschuerm@cox.net>
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 9:15:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: AC-680FLP Hydraulic line problems
>>
>>
>> Ray Mansfield wrote:
>> > In other words, is this going to be a problem in the next hours of
flight or next years of flight. Does anyone have experience here?
>>
>> Ray,
>> If the line failed right at the flare, it was probably due to
improper fabrication. I've seen many cases where someone has made a
line and didn't know that aircraft aluminum lines use a different flare
angle than copper lines. The tool you'll find at your local hardware
store to flare line ends is for copper only and makes too sharp an angle
for aluminum. This causes cracks to form.
>> You also mentioned that you've been repairing corrosion in other
areas. The aluminum used for aircraft lines is fairly prone to
corrosion. It also "work hardens" from vibration and becomes more
brittle with age. You may simply be dealing with aging aircraft issues.
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the ones exposed in the nacelles. Make sure they are well supported and
that the adel clamps are not loose or missing. If the lines are allowed
to vibrate due to old, worn-out supports, that can lead to rapid fatigue
cracking. Clean the lines carefully with scotch bright and look for
corrosion pitting. Even small pits lead to failure. Look for any areas
where the lines are chaffing (usually due to something coming loose) and
address those areas immediately. It's all just part of being the
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