RE: Re: Rotax spark plugs


Subject:    RE: Re: Rotax spark plugs
From:    Noelloveys (noelloveys@yahoo.ca)
Date:    Tue Nov 17 - 4:30 PM
Lowell:
For what it's worth about a year ago I took a trip to Halifax, NS.  On my
way down through Cape Breton Island ( northern Nova Scotia) I bought gas,
very cheap gas, at an Indian reserve.  I don't know where they got their gas
or what they had added to it but I do know my Subaru popped, pinged and
farted until the tank was mostly empty and I could get some brand name go
juice into it.  That's the last time I'll buy gas in Baddeck.  BTW Baddeck
is the community where Alexander Graham Bell the inventor of the telephone
lived.  It was on the ice of Brador Lake that the first flight in Canada
took place 101 yr ago.

In this area of Newfoundland most of the gas arrives by tanker from Irving
Oil Co and is sold by all the gas companies.  The exception to the rule is
North Atlantic Petroleum which has a refinery about a hundred miles away
from here.  95% of North Atlantic's production is sold in the U.S. as far as
I know.

Noel

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Fitt
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:27 PM
To: kitfox-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Rotax spark plugs


Roger,

I can agree with a lot of what you said.  Then you finish with a comment on 
proven practices.  My suggestion here is that the vast majority of Rotax 
users have transferred their hot rod or home maintenance procedures to their

Rotax engines and have simply used  anti sieze lube on thier plugs for at 
least 75% of probably millions of flight hours.

Then there is the apples and oranges thing.  Evans coolant has  become one 
of the latest Rotax recommendations (read rages).  Evans is a high temp 
coolant with a lower heat carrying capacity than the 50% blend traditionally

used.  Why was it introduced?   Because in some installations, the Rotax 
engines have been found to run hotter than in other installations causing 
vapor pockets and damaged engines.  Rans, for example in some models, have 
cooling issues especially in climb.  I have followed some that used a 
protracted step climb to get over high mountains where the Kitfoxes in the 
flight simply climb to altitude.  Do I feel a need for Evans Coolant, of 
course not.  My problem always was to get the oil temps to the recommended 
212 to remove the moisture from the oil. I simply don't need a high temp 
coolant.

I think this argument can also be made for the heat sink compound.  Our 
engines, at least in the Model IV (I have no personal experience with the 
internal radiator found in the later models)  Our engines run on the cool 
side of the heat range.   I don't watch my sodium intake because my Blood 
Pressure runs on the low side.  What I mean by that last comment, is that 
there are very few pieces of advice where one size fits all.  Take the 912UL

vs. the 912ULS, for example.  I suspect with the higher compression, the ULS

will run a bit hotter.  It might be appropriate to consider a heat 
transferring lube on the plug threads, then again if my engine runs on the 
cool side, what's the point.  I had 900 hours on my old engine.  I changed 
the plugs at the recommended intervals and had the same boring insulator 
colors that everyone else had.  Did I damage my engine?  I seriously doubt 
it. But, then again, would I damage the water cooled head, or the $3.00 
spark plug if it wasn't cooled adequately.  And I repeat, Honda recommends 
name brand gas in my wife's Civic Hybrid.  The latest issue if AAA magazine 
quotes a petrolium engineer to the effect that with the EPA mandates on 
detergents etc. in all fuels, there is very little difference in brands and 
likely no difference at all because even the independents purchase their 
fuels on the open marked and might sell Chevron one day and Texaco the next.

I don't feel comfortable making decisions for others, but for me and my new 
project - 912UL - I see no need to worry about one more thing.

Lowell

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
To: <kitfox-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: Rotax spark plugs


>
> First Rotax is the expert and Mfg. They have hundreds of thousands of 
> hours of actual flight data and testing, not to mention millions of $$$ in

> testing and the Mfg of the 912 engine since late 1989.
> How much of this do any of us have? Who has the facilities here to run an 
> engine day in and out and the instruments to collect the data?
> Second maybe the rest of the old timers haven't caught up to newer ideas 
> and technology, which is definitely the case in a lot of GA stuff. If you 
> make a change you are liable and you have to invest tons of money for 
> testing and STC's. That's one big reason you don't see big progressive 
> changes in the GA engine stuff.
> If anyone chooses to experiment with their $18.5K engine then it's ok. 
> This is also where they get good data on things not to do, from the guys 
> that like to experiment. I think spending $3 on a little tube of heat 
> conducting paste makes good sense and a good investment.
> The plugs don't get hotter. All we are trying to do is make the heads and 
> plugs heat and transfer of the heat the same. By doing so you get a better

> marriage between heads and plugs.
>
> I don't quite understand why people are so reluctant to follow proven 
> practices from an MFG that cost so little and is so easy. We have all 
> invested so much time, money and education in our hobby, why stop on our 
> on going educational process.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson, Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Service Center
> 520-574-1080
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=273255#273255
>
>
> 




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