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1. 01:44 PM - aerobatics in cessna 172 (Tony Manapat)
2. 02:43 PM - Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 (Kyle Boatright)
3. 02:57 PM - Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 (matsuhisa bigdong)
4. 03:31 PM - Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 (Jack)
5. 03:48 PM - Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 (Larry Neal)
6. 04:03 PM - Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 (Justin)
7. 04:19 PM - Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 (David Aronson)
8. 04:19 PM - Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 (Kyle Boatright)
9. 04:38 PM - Roll in a 150 (Justin)
10. 05:16 PM - Re: Roll in a 150 (Tedd McHenry)
11. 05:17 PM - Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 (Jerry Guy)
12. 06:08 PM - Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 (Cy Galley)
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| Subject: | aerobatics in cessna 172 |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Tony Manapat" <yakdriver@columnist.com>
i was watching espn2 and they had aerobatic performers flying planes. i just got
my pvt in january this year and would like to know a few things.
how hard do you pull on the controls to perform a loop? I have been renting a
172 and with a firm pull i was able to get the plane to go 90 upward, but it shook
a bit and i was afraid to try to get it to finish the loop because it slowed
down so much.
Also, how much altitude do you lose in one complete roll of the the plane.
I started at 4.5 AGL and finished at about 2.0 AGL and the plane picked up
a lot of speed (175 kts). i don't remember seeing the planes on espn2 lose that
much altitude.
Thanks for any help,
TONY
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| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Are you trying for suicide by airplane, or maybe you'd like to win a Darwin
award? Looping or rolling a C-172 is possible, but NOT RECOMMENDED. If you
saw 175 knots or lost 2500 ft trying a roll, you were damned close to
killing yourself.
If you want to do aerobatics, get training and only do acro in the
appropriate equipment.
Not only are you risking your life, but imagine the lawsuit when the C-172
comes apart. Every relative or dependant you've ever had will come out of
the woodwork and sue the FBO or whoever owned the C-172, regardless of what
the accident report shows. Does the airplane owner deserve this?
Also, if you did hit 175 knots in the C-172, it needs to be inspected for
structural damage. You may have already damaged it sufficiently that it
shouldn't fly again. Tell the FBO. Do you want to be responsible for
someone else getting killed in it?
I hope this is a troll.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Manapat" <yakdriver@columnist.com>
Subject: Aerobatic-List: aerobatics in cessna 172
> --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Tony Manapat"
<yakdriver@columnist.com>
>
> i was watching espn2 and they had aerobatic performers flying planes. i
just got my pvt in january this year and would like to know a few things.
>
> how hard do you pull on the controls to perform a loop? I have been
renting a 172 and with a firm pull i was able to get the plane to go 90
upward, but it shook a bit and i was afraid to try to get it to finish the
loop because it slowed down so much.
>
> Also, how much altitude do you lose in one complete roll of the the plane.
I started at 4.5 AGL and finished at about 2.0 AGL and the plane picked up a
lot of speed (175 kts). i don't remember seeing the planes on espn2 lose
that much altitude.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> TONY
>
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| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "matsuhisa bigdong" <matsuhisa@japan.com>
Kyle:
Look, I am NOT STUPID. I LOOKED at the plane after I tied it down and returned
it to the fbo. It is a pretty new plane (4-5 years old) and I am smart enough
to look for cracks or things that aren't right!
What score did you get on your written? Are you an aerobatic pilot, too?
-Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: aerobatics in cessna 172
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Are you trying for suicide by airplane, or maybe you'd like to win a Darwin
award? Looping or rolling a C-172 is possible, but NOT RECOMMENDED. If you
saw 175 knots or lost 2500 ft trying a roll, you were damned close to
killing yourself.
If you want to do aerobatics, get training and only do acro in the
appropriate equipment.
Not only are you risking your life, but imagine the lawsuit when the C-172
comes apart. Every relative or dependant you've ever had will come out of
the woodwork and sue the FBO or whoever owned the C-172, regardless of what
the accident report shows. Does the airplane owner deserve this?
Also, if you did hit 175 knots in the C-172, it needs to be inspected for
structural damage. You may have already damaged it sufficiently that it
shouldn't fly again. Tell the FBO. Do you want to be responsible for
someone else getting killed in it?
I hope this is a troll.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Manapat" <yakdriver@columnist.com>
Subject: Aerobatic-List: aerobatics in cessna 172
> --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Tony Manapat"
<yakdriver@columnist.com>
>
> i was watching espn2 and they had aerobatic performers flying planes. i
just got my pvt in january this year and would like to know a few things.
>
> how hard do you pull on the controls to perform a loop? I have been
renting a 172 and with a firm pull i was able to get the plane to go 90
upward, but it shook a bit and i was afraid to try to get it to finish the
loop because it slowed down so much.
>
> Also, how much altitude do you lose in one complete roll of the the plane.
I started at 4.5 AGL and finished at about 2.0 AGL and the plane picked up a
lot of speed (175 kts). i don't remember seeing the planes on espn2 lose
that much altitude.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> TONY
>
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| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Jack <baron58@earthlink.net>
on 2003/02/15 17:56, matsuhisa bigdong at matsuhisa@japan.com wrote:
> Look, I am NOT STUPID.
Yes you are, and a troll to boot.
> I LOOKED at the plane after I tied it down and returned
> it to the fbo. It is a pretty new plane (4-5 years old) and I am smart enough
> to look for cracks or things that aren't right!
No, you are not. You might look, but you will not find.
> What score did you get on your written?
I passed them all. When will you take your first?
> Are you an aerobatic pilot, too?
Yes.
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Larry Neal <lneal@ev1.net>
I count two different addresses so far.
Definite TROLL as well as an email hack, watch out....
Jack wrote:
>--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Jack <baron58@earthlink.net>
>
>on 2003/02/15 17:56, matsuhisa bigdong at matsuhisa@japan.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>Look, I am NOT STUPID.
>>
>>
>
>Yes you are, and a troll to boot.
>
>
>
>
>>I LOOKED at the plane after I tied it down and returned
>>it to the fbo. It is a pretty new plane (4-5 years old) and I am smart enough
>>to look for cracks or things that aren't right!
>>
>>
>
>No, you are not. You might look, but you will not find.
>
>
>
>
>>What score did you get on your written?
>>
>>
>
>I passed them all. When will you take your first?
>
>
>
>
>>Are you an aerobatic pilot, too?
>>
>>
>
>Yes.
>
>
>Jack
>
>
>.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Justin" <jmw116@socal.rr.com>
A 172 can do a loop with little problems just be sure to be really easy on
it when you come out and give yoruself plenty of altitude. Would I ever try
it NO. I would spin a 172 because it is indeed rated to do spins with 1/2
fuel and 2 people or less aboard. A roll loosing that mcuh altitude,
something isnt right with your flying skills. Why do you want to do a loop
in a 172, just do some steep wingovers or something. A hammerhead is still
getting on the pushy side for a 172 but im sure it would do those, I still
wouldnt try it.
Justin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Neal" <lneal@ev1.net>
Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: aerobatics in cessna 172
> --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Larry Neal <lneal@ev1.net>
>
> I count two different addresses so far.
> Definite TROLL as well as an email hack, watch out....
>
> Jack wrote:
>
> >--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Jack <baron58@earthlink.net>
> >
> >on 2003/02/15 17:56, matsuhisa bigdong at matsuhisa@japan.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Look, I am NOT STUPID.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Yes you are, and a troll to boot.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I LOOKED at the plane after I tied it down and returned
> >>it to the fbo. It is a pretty new plane (4-5 years old) and I am smart
enough
> >>to look for cracks or things that aren't right!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >No, you are not. You might look, but you will not find.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>What score did you get on your written?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I passed them all. When will you take your first?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Are you an aerobatic pilot, too?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Yes.
> >
> >
> >Jack
> >
> >
> >.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | aerobatics in cessna 172 |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: David Aronson <aronsond@pacbell.net>
Tony:
Are you NUTS!\
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aerobatic-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aerobatic-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Manapat
Subject: Aerobatic-List: aerobatics in cessna 172
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Tony Manapat"
<yakdriver@columnist.com>
i was watching espn2 and they had aerobatic performers flying planes. i
just got my pvt in january this year and would like to know a few
things.
how hard do you pull on the controls to perform a loop? I have been
renting a 172 and with a firm pull i was able to get the plane to go 90
upward, but it shook a bit and i was afraid to try to get it to finish
the loop because it slowed down so much.
Also, how much altitude do you lose in one complete roll of the the
plane. I started at 4.5 AGL and finished at about 2.0 AGL and the
plane picked up a lot of speed (175 kts). i don't remember seeing the
planes on espn2 lose that much altitude.
Thanks for any help,
TONY
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| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatright@adelphia.net>
Don't feed the troll, and for heavens sake, don't do aerobatics in airplanes
that are not designed for them. Especially airplanes that someone else will
eventually fly. It is bad enough if you kill yourself. Worse if you damage
an aircraft and someone else dies at a later date because of the damage.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin" <jmw116@socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: aerobatics in cessna 172
> --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Justin" <jmw116@socal.rr.com>
>
> A 172 can do a loop with little problems just be sure to be really easy on
> it when you come out and give yoruself plenty of altitude. Would I ever
try
> it NO. I would spin a 172 because it is indeed rated to do spins with 1/2
> fuel and 2 people or less aboard. A roll loosing that mcuh altitude,
> something isnt right with your flying skills. Why do you want to do a loop
> in a 172, just do some steep wingovers or something. A hammerhead is still
> getting on the pushy side for a 172 but im sure it would do those, I still
> wouldnt try it.
>
> Justin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Neal" <lneal@ev1.net>
> To: <aerobatic-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: aerobatics in cessna 172
>
>
> > --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Larry Neal <lneal@ev1.net>
> >
> > I count two different addresses so far.
> > Definite TROLL as well as an email hack, watch out....
> >
> > Jack wrote:
> >
> > >--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Jack <baron58@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > >on 2003/02/15 17:56, matsuhisa bigdong at matsuhisa@japan.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Look, I am NOT STUPID.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Yes you are, and a troll to boot.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>I LOOKED at the plane after I tied it down and returned
> > >>it to the fbo. It is a pretty new plane (4-5 years old) and I am smart
> enough
> > >>to look for cracks or things that aren't right!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >No, you are not. You might look, but you will not find.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>What score did you get on your written?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >I passed them all. When will you take your first?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Are you an aerobatic pilot, too?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Yes.
> > >
> > >
> > >Jack
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Justin" <jmw116@socal.rr.com>
How do you people feel about an alieron roll in a Cessna 150? I know it is fully
able to do a roll. I dont know what the utilty catagory allows but if im not
mistaking it allows spins in it. I know for a fact 150's dont have a problem
spinning but not with flaps, why you woudl spin an airplane with the flaps down
I dont know.
Justin
JUST A THOUGHT GUYS!
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| Subject: | Re: Roll in a 150 |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Justin" <jmw116@socal.rr.com>
>
> How do you people feel about an alieron roll in a Cessna 150?
So long as it's an Aerobat, and the POH doesn't prohibit it, I can't see any
reason why not. Given the roll rate, though, it may not be all that much fun.
That you are asking the question suggests that you're somewhat of an aerobatic
neophyte. That would mean that doing a roll in any airplane not certified for
aerobatics is a bad idea for you, despite the success of more experienced
aerobatic pilots such as Bob Hoover.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Jerry Guy <jguysr@bellsouth.net>
Here's the clue. yakdriver@columnist.com. Obvious troll.
Tony Manapat wrote:
>--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Tony Manapat" <yakdriver@columnist.com>
>
>i was watching espn2 and they had aerobatic performers flying planes. i just got
my pvt in january this year and would like to know a few things.
>
>how hard do you pull on the controls to perform a loop? I have been renting a
172 and with a firm pull i was able to get the plane to go 90 upward, but it
shook a bit and i was afraid to try to get it to finish the loop because it slowed
down so much.
>
>Also, how much altitude do you lose in one complete roll of the the plane.
I started at 4.5 AGL and finished at about 2.0 AGL and the plane picked up
a lot of speed (175 kts). i don't remember seeing the planes on espn2 lose that
much altitude.
>
>Thanks for any help,
>TONY
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: aerobatics in cessna 172 |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Since you already know so much why are you asking?
Look at the FARs, they require several things for an acrobatic airplane
beyond just being able to do the maneuver. Take a look at a Cessna 150
aerobat. It has 180 sized struts. It has a removable door in case you need
to use the required parachute.
Incidentally, There are entry speed published to loop an approved airplane
and if you fly a roll correctly, there is NO altitude loss. My
recommendation if you want to do acrobatics, get some instruction in an
approved airplane other wise you are liable to wind up as a young bold
pilot.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Manapat" <yakdriver@columnist.com>
Subject: Aerobatic-List: aerobatics in cessna 172
> --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Tony Manapat"
<yakdriver@columnist.com>
>
> i was watching espn2 and they had aerobatic performers flying planes. i
just got my pvt in january this year and would like to know a few things.
>
> how hard do you pull on the controls to perform a loop? I have been
renting a 172 and with a firm pull i was able to get the plane to go 90
upward, but it shook a bit and i was afraid to try to get it to finish the
loop because it slowed down so much.
>
> Also, how much altitude do you lose in one complete roll of the the plane.
I started at 4.5 AGL and finished at about 2.0 AGL and the plane picked up a
lot of speed (175 kts). i don't remember seeing the planes on espn2 lose
that much altitude.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> TONY
>
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