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2. 03:51 PM - Re: RV Acro Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:31:31 +0200 (\214rodkowoeuropejs... (Ron C)
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--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Ron C" <ronc@metropolisdesign.com>
Thanks for the report. I'll save it for when I get ready to purchase all
the fun stuff- engine prop etc.
Ron
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aerobatic-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aerobatic-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Caldwell
Subject: RE: Aerobatic-List: RV Acro
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Rick Caldwell"
--> <racaldwell@hotmail.com>
Ron,
My One Design has the 200 hp angle valve engine that was built up by
Monty
Barrett in Tulsa. I have a three blade wood Performance prop. The empty
wt
is 1,000#. The extra weight is from carbon/epoxy over the plywood wing.
I
didn't build this part and I would have used a lightwieght FG/epoxy
layup.
But still, the perfomance of the 1D is phenominal. I share a hangar with
Steen Aerolab's yellow Skybolt with a Barrett six cyl engine & CS
Hoffman
and we climb about the same. The roll rate of the 1D makes the RV seem
slow
as Christnas. The control forces (I have spades) are very light and very
little stick force change with Gz. The only bad manner the 1D has is
that it
requires airspeed to pull. I do not loop below 160 mph. The wing buffets
if
you pull too much going too slow. But then, it is a fast plane so it is
easy
to get speed.
The RV-6 I have is a 160 hp/CS Hartzell (no prop extension). It is also
fun
to fly and about opposite to the 1D. Its wing just keeps holding on. I
can
pull up to loop from 120 kts. OK, it is not a round one but I can still
keep
the juice flowing thru the carb. The stick is heavier than the 1D and it
does built up resistance with airspeed. The flying in the RV is more
flowing
and smooth compared to the competion aerobatics I practice in the 1D.
The RV
really does put a grin on your face as you fly thru Cuban 8's,
cloverleafs,
immelmans, barrelrolls, loops, reverse Cubans and then all the formation
flying I do with other RVs. Not to mention it goes X-C just fine and
comfortable. That can't be beat. I couldn't imagine spending a whole day
in
the 1D going straight & level. I would have to put pillows over the
spar.
Rick
>From: "Ron C" <ronc@metropolisdesign.com>
>Reply-To: aerobatic-list@matronics.com
>To: <aerobatic-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Aerobatic-List: RV Acro
>Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:39:43 -0600
>
>--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Ron C"
>--> <ronc@metropolisdesign.com>
>
>Rick-
>
>Thanks for the post.
>
>I have a HR2 and am building a one design. I am very interested in your
>thoughts about the OD and its performance/flying qualities. A few
>questions:
>
>1. What power plant/ prop combo do you have?
>
>2. Who built your engine?
>
>3. How did your overall weight come out?
>
>4. How are stick forces and overall coordination of the Od versus your
>-6?
>
>
>Thanks.
>
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| Subject: | RV Acro Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:31:31 +0200 |
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--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Ron C" <ronc@metropolisdesign.com>
The One Design is an aerobatic, plans built, mono wing aircraft. Single
seat, small and relatively high performance for a minimum investment.
Plans and parts/ kits etc are available through Aircraft spruce and
several other suppliers. Search online for more info.
I know of one partial kit available with plans and most welding complete
for $2,500 or so.
Ron Carter
801-699-2609 cell
SLC, UT
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[mailto:owner-aerobatic-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tedi
Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: RV Acro Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:31:31
+0200 (\214rodkowoeuropejs...
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Tedi" <f.t@wp.pl>
ho ho what a discussion I started ;))
so, simply, RV can do aerobatics, but shouldn't be used for teaching.
I can be flown just for fun, not for judges.
right?
It was really interesting discussion about prop extension.
I am newbe in RVs - please explain "One Design" - thanks
Tadeusz Forgacz, PL
info@bianco.pl
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From: aerobatic-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: RV Acro
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Ken Balch <kbalch@cfl.rr.com>
Lee Taylor wrote:
>GUYS: Those of you who have RV's, and want to do acro.
> From a long-time acro instructor.
>
> ALL of the RV's are designed with prop shaft extensions
>
Not true. While certainly the case with the earlier birds, the 'modern'
RVs (the -7 & -8, anyway) do not require the prop extensions. My RV-8
(Lyc. IO-360-A1B6 & Hartzell c/s) doesn't have one. This was one of my
deciding issues when I built the plane: I didn't want a bird with a prop
extension.
> Van says that it is not an acro bird. He's right. It is a wonderful
> plane,
but it isn't designed for this kind of flight.
>
>
True to a point. So long as one differentiates between 'sport
aerobatics' & competition aerobatics, the RV can be safely flown
throughout a wide range of maneuvers.
Regards,
Ken Balch
RV-8 N118KB
Pitts Model 12 N612KB (under construction)
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