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1. 08:50 AM - Canards and aerobatics (Terrence Miles)
2. 09:10 AM - Re: Canards and aerobatics (John Smutny)
3. 09:13 AM - Re: Canards and aerobatics (Scott Bilinski)
4. 09:56 AM - Re: Canards and aerobatics (Eric Ruttan)
5. 10:45 AM - Re: Canards and aerobatics (Richard Basiliere)
6. 12:30 PM - Re: Canards and aerobatics (Patrick)
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| Subject: | Canards and aerobatics |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Terrence Miles <knightflyr@sbcglobal.net>
Hi,
I'm working on a Velocity XL which is a 4 place cannard pusher with a 300hp Lycoming
540. It will be used for XC reasons primarily, but some 35 years ago the
government spent a lot of money teaching me cuban eights etc and I'd hate to
see it go to waste. Here's my question. If I was lead in a loose trail formation
and I did an aileron roll, what would the guys behind me see??
It takes a little more rudder to get a swept wing cannard to roll, but the rudder
is not center line. There are two rudders actually. They are mounted on the
two winglets, but they only move outboard. Example: Stomp left rudder and
to get the left winglet rudder to displace and the right winglet rudder stays
faired.
Anybody have experience with this? Will I look like a sand crab trying to right
itself??
Thanks,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Canards and aerobatics |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: John Smutny <johnsmutny@yahoo.com>
One of the staff members at the Aviation Training
Center in Seattle on Boeing Field used to do an
airshow routine in a VariEze or LongEze. I was
chatting with him during the recent Pacific Northwest
Aviation Conference. Sorry, don't remember his name.
He'd be a good resource for you about aerobatics in
those flying pickle forks... ;-)
John
Christen Eagle N16EE
--- Terrence Miles <knightflyr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Terrence Miles
> <knightflyr@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hi,
> I'm working on a Velocity XL which is a 4 place
> cannard pusher with a 300hp Lycoming 540. It will
> be used for XC reasons primarily, but some 35 years
> ago the government spent a lot of money teaching me
> cuban eights etc and I'd hate to see it go to waste.
> Here's my question. If I was lead in a loose trail
> formation and I did an aileron roll, what would the
> guys behind me see??
>
> It takes a little more rudder to get a swept wing
> cannard to roll, but the rudder is not center line.
> There are two rudders actually. They are mounted on
> the two winglets, but they only move outboard.
> Example: Stomp left rudder and to get the left
> winglet rudder to displace and the right winglet
> rudder stays faired.
>
> Anybody have experience with this? Will I look like
> a sand crab trying to right itself??
>
> Thanks,
> Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Canards and aerobatics |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
There is a guy out of .....Utah I think, who flies a long-Eze in an
aerobatic routine. Might want to talk with him.
For more information on Lon Arnold: www.longezairshows.com
At 08:50 AM 3/15/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Terrence Miles
><knightflyr@sbcglobal.net>
>
>Hi,
>I'm working on a Velocity XL which is a 4 place cannard pusher with a
>300hp Lycoming 540. It will be used for XC reasons primarily, but some 35
>years ago the government spent a lot of money teaching me cuban eights etc
>and I'd hate to see it go to waste.. Here's my question. If I was lead
>in a loose trail formation and I did an aileron roll, what would the guys
>behind me see??
>
>It takes a little more rudder to get a swept wing cannard to roll, but the
>rudder is not center line. There are two rudders actually. They are
>mounted on the two winglets, but they only move outboard. Example: Stomp
>left rudder and to get the left winglet rudder to displace and the right
>winglet rudder stays faired.
>
>Anybody have experience with this? Will I look like a sand crab trying to
>right itself??
>
>Thanks,
>Terry
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Canards and aerobatics |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Eric Ruttan" <ericruttan@chartermi.net>
On topic lists i recomend
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/cozy_builders need to register i
think
canard-aviators@yahoogroups.com need to join the yahoo group first
I belive the acrobatics long guy posts to all or most of these.
If i was you i would want to know that some canard builders are very vocal
about not doing acrobatics. I recomend Searching the archives for info, and
contacting directly thoes who know.
A very friendly place you can ask any question you like at is
canardaviationforum.dmt.net which i help administer.
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terrence Miles" <knightflyr@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Aerobatic-List: Canards and aerobatics
> --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Terrence Miles
<knightflyr@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Hi,
> I'm working on a Velocity XL which is a 4 place cannard pusher with a
300hp Lycoming 540. It will be used for XC reasons primarily, but some 35
years ago the government spent a lot of money teaching me cuban eights etc
and I'd hate to see it go to waste. Here's my question. If I was lead in a
loose trail formation and I did an aileron roll, what would the guys behind
me see??
>
> It takes a little more rudder to get a swept wing cannard to roll, but the
rudder is not center line. There are two rudders actually. They are
mounted on the two winglets, but they only move outboard. Example: Stomp
left rudder and to get the left winglet rudder to displace and the right
winglet rudder stays faired.
>
> Anybody have experience with this? Will I look like a sand crab trying to
right itself??
>
> Thanks,
> Terry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canards and aerobatics |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Does it have ailerons? Just kidding.
The rudder is used on conventional aerobatic a/c to maintain level
flight progressing from upright/inverted through knife edge back to
wings level.
On lower powered stuff the nose is elevated 10-20 degrees to start -
ailerons placed to the stop (L or R) and top rudder added to keep the
nose up as you go around - to maintain altitude.
You can - if you don't care about Competition akro - lift the nose up
move ailerons in the direction and accept the barrel.
I have no idea how canards effect a roll...
Respectfully, Rick B Sukhoi 29 & Yak-55
>>> knightflyr@sbcglobal.net 3/15/2005 9:50:06 AM >>>
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Terrence Miles
<knightflyr@sbcglobal.net>
Hi,
I'm working on a Velocity XL which is a 4 place cannard pusher with a
300hp Lycoming 540. It will be used for XC reasons primarily, but some
35 years ago the government spent a lot of money teaching me cuban
eights etc and I'd hate to see it go to waste. Here's my question. If
I was lead in a loose trail formation and I did an aileron roll, what
would the guys behind me see??
It takes a little more rudder to get a swept wing cannard to roll, but
the rudder is not center line. There are two rudders actually. They
are mounted on the two winglets, but they only move outboard. Example:
Stomp left rudder and to get the left winglet rudder to displace and the
right winglet rudder stays faired.
Anybody have experience with this? Will I look like a sand crab trying
to right itself??
Thanks,
Terry
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| Subject: | Re: Canards and aerobatics |
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Patrick <bittybipe@yahoo.com>
Terry,
You may want to contact Lon Arnold at http://www.longezairshows.com/air_shows.htm. He performs airshows in his LongEZ.
Pat
Terrence Miles <knightflyr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Terrence Miles
Hi,
I'm working on a Velocity XL which is a 4 place cannard pusher with a 300hp Lycoming
540. It will be used for XC reasons primarily, but some 35 years ago the
government spent a lot of money teaching me cuban eights etc and I'd hate to
see it go to waste. Here's my question. If I was lead in a loose trail formation
and I did an aileron roll, what would the guys behind me see??
It takes a little more rudder to get a swept wing cannard to roll, but the rudder
is not center line. There are two rudders actually. They are mounted on the
two winglets, but they only move outboard. Example: Stomp left rudder and to
get the left winglet rudder to displace and the right winglet rudder stays faired.
Anybody have experience with this? Will I look like a sand crab trying to right
itself??
Thanks,
Terry
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