---------------------------------------------------------- Aerobatic-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/15/05: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:50 AM - Canards and aerobatics (Terrence Miles) 2. 09:10 AM - Re: Canards and aerobatics (John Smutny) 3. 09:13 AM - Re: Canards and aerobatics (Scott Bilinski) 4. 09:56 AM - Re: Canards and aerobatics (Eric Ruttan) 5. 10:45 AM - Re: Canards and aerobatics (Richard Basiliere) 6. 12:30 PM - Re: Canards and aerobatics (Patrick) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:38 AM PST US From: Terrence Miles Subject: Aerobatic-List: Canards and aerobatics --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Terrence Miles Hi, I'm working on a Velocity XL which is a 4 place cannard pusher with a 300hp Lycoming 540. It will be used for XC reasons primarily, but some 35 years ago the government spent a lot of money teaching me cuban eights etc and I'd hate to see it go to waste. Here's my question. If I was lead in a loose trail formation and I did an aileron roll, what would the guys behind me see?? It takes a little more rudder to get a swept wing cannard to roll, but the rudder is not center line. There are two rudders actually. They are mounted on the two winglets, but they only move outboard. Example: Stomp left rudder and to get the left winglet rudder to displace and the right winglet rudder stays faired. Anybody have experience with this? Will I look like a sand crab trying to right itself?? Thanks, Terry ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:26 AM PST US From: John Smutny Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: Canards and aerobatics --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: John Smutny One of the staff members at the Aviation Training Center in Seattle on Boeing Field used to do an airshow routine in a VariEze or LongEze. I was chatting with him during the recent Pacific Northwest Aviation Conference. Sorry, don't remember his name. He'd be a good resource for you about aerobatics in those flying pickle forks... ;-) John Christen Eagle N16EE --- Terrence Miles wrote: > --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Terrence Miles > > > Hi, > I'm working on a Velocity XL which is a 4 place > cannard pusher with a 300hp Lycoming 540. It will > be used for XC reasons primarily, but some 35 years > ago the government spent a lot of money teaching me > cuban eights etc and I'd hate to see it go to waste. > Here's my question. If I was lead in a loose trail > formation and I did an aileron roll, what would the > guys behind me see?? > > It takes a little more rudder to get a swept wing > cannard to roll, but the rudder is not center line. > There are two rudders actually. They are mounted on > the two winglets, but they only move outboard. > Example: Stomp left rudder and to get the left > winglet rudder to displace and the right winglet > rudder stays faired. > > Anybody have experience with this? Will I look like > a sand crab trying to right itself?? > > Thanks, > Terry __________________________________ http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:26 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: Canards and aerobatics --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski There is a guy out of .....Utah I think, who flies a long-Eze in an aerobatic routine. Might want to talk with him. For more information on Lon Arnold: www.longezairshows.com At 08:50 AM 3/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: >--> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Terrence Miles > > >Hi, >I'm working on a Velocity XL which is a 4 place cannard pusher with a >300hp Lycoming 540. It will be used for XC reasons primarily, but some 35 >years ago the government spent a lot of money teaching me cuban eights etc >and I'd hate to see it go to waste.. Here's my question. If I was lead >in a loose trail formation and I did an aileron roll, what would the guys >behind me see?? > >It takes a little more rudder to get a swept wing cannard to roll, but the >rudder is not center line. There are two rudders actually. They are >mounted on the two winglets, but they only move outboard. Example: Stomp >left rudder and to get the left winglet rudder to displace and the right >winglet rudder stays faired. > >Anybody have experience with this? Will I look like a sand crab trying to >right itself?? > >Thanks, >Terry > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:06 AM PST US From: "Eric Ruttan" Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: Canards and aerobatics --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Eric Ruttan" On topic lists i recomend http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/cozy_builders need to register i think canard-aviators@yahoogroups.com need to join the yahoo group first I belive the acrobatics long guy posts to all or most of these. If i was you i would want to know that some canard builders are very vocal about not doing acrobatics. I recomend Searching the archives for info, and contacting directly thoes who know. A very friendly place you can ask any question you like at is canardaviationforum.dmt.net which i help administer. Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terrence Miles" Subject: Aerobatic-List: Canards and aerobatics > --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Terrence Miles > > Hi, > I'm working on a Velocity XL which is a 4 place cannard pusher with a 300hp Lycoming 540. It will be used for XC reasons primarily, but some 35 years ago the government spent a lot of money teaching me cuban eights etc and I'd hate to see it go to waste. Here's my question. If I was lead in a loose trail formation and I did an aileron roll, what would the guys behind me see?? > > It takes a little more rudder to get a swept wing cannard to roll, but the rudder is not center line. There are two rudders actually. They are mounted on the two winglets, but they only move outboard. Example: Stomp left rudder and to get the left winglet rudder to displace and the right winglet rudder stays faired. > > Anybody have experience with this? Will I look like a sand crab trying to right itself?? > > Thanks, > Terry > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:19 AM PST US From: "Richard Basiliere" Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: Canards and aerobatics --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" Does it have ailerons? Just kidding. The rudder is used on conventional aerobatic a/c to maintain level flight progressing from upright/inverted through knife edge back to wings level. On lower powered stuff the nose is elevated 10-20 degrees to start - ailerons placed to the stop (L or R) and top rudder added to keep the nose up as you go around - to maintain altitude. You can - if you don't care about Competition akro - lift the nose up move ailerons in the direction and accept the barrel. I have no idea how canards effect a roll... Respectfully, Rick B Sukhoi 29 & Yak-55 >>> knightflyr@sbcglobal.net 3/15/2005 9:50:06 AM >>> --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Terrence Miles Hi, I'm working on a Velocity XL which is a 4 place cannard pusher with a 300hp Lycoming 540. It will be used for XC reasons primarily, but some 35 years ago the government spent a lot of money teaching me cuban eights etc and I'd hate to see it go to waste. Here's my question. If I was lead in a loose trail formation and I did an aileron roll, what would the guys behind me see?? It takes a little more rudder to get a swept wing cannard to roll, but the rudder is not center line. There are two rudders actually. They are mounted on the two winglets, but they only move outboard. Example: Stomp left rudder and to get the left winglet rudder to displace and the right winglet rudder stays faired. Anybody have experience with this? Will I look like a sand crab trying to right itself?? Thanks, Terry ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:16 PM PST US From: Patrick Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: Canards and aerobatics --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Patrick Terry, You may want to contact Lon Arnold at http://www.longezairshows.com/air_shows.htm. He performs airshows in his LongEZ. Pat Terrence Miles wrote: --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: Terrence Miles Hi, I'm working on a Velocity XL which is a 4 place cannard pusher with a 300hp Lycoming 540. It will be used for XC reasons primarily, but some 35 years ago the government spent a lot of money teaching me cuban eights etc and I'd hate to see it go to waste. Here's my question. If I was lead in a loose trail formation and I did an aileron roll, what would the guys behind me see?? It takes a little more rudder to get a swept wing cannard to roll, but the rudder is not center line. There are two rudders actually. They are mounted on the two winglets, but they only move outboard. Example: Stomp left rudder and to get the left winglet rudder to displace and the right winglet rudder stays faired. Anybody have experience with this? Will I look like a sand crab trying to right itself?? Thanks, Terry ---------------------------------