---------------------------------------------------------- Aerobatic-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/08/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:48 AM - extra (raddatz) 2. 07:37 AM - Re: extra (Robert Taylor) 3. 07:51 AM - Re: extra (raddatz) 4. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: extra (Robert Taylor) 5. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: extra (Peter Pengilly) 6. 12:56 PM - Re: extra (raddatz) 7. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: extra (Monty Barrett Sr) 8. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: Aerobatic-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 11/28/07 (Gilles Thesee) 9. 04:34 PM - Re: extra (raddatz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:44 AM PST US Subject: Aerobatic-List: extra From: "raddatz" Just bought an Extra, Most fun I ever had flying but it takes a little getting use to the landings. Steve Raddatz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162994#162994 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:38 AM PST US From: "Robert Taylor" Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: extra Steve, Can you elaborate? What is it about the landings that takes getting used to? What did you fly before? Just curious. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "raddatz" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: Aerobatic-List: extra > > Just bought an Extra, Most fun I ever had flying but it takes a little > getting use to the landings. > Steve Raddatz > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=162994#162994 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:44 AM PST US Subject: Aerobatic-List: Re: extra From: "raddatz" I have got over 600 hours in RV's with 500 plus hours in taildraggers. My plane is a Extra 260 with the mid wing design. so when I'm on final I lose site of the runway at any speed under 80kts due to the angle of attack so what I have learned is to slip my landing from downwind right to the numbers and that seems to work well. But its still work in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163004#163004 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:00 AM PST US From: "Robert Taylor" Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: Re: extra Excellent! That's exactly the information I was looking for. Thank you! Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "raddatz" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Aerobatic-List: Re: extra > > I have got over 600 hours in RV's with 500 plus hours in taildraggers. My > plane is a Extra 260 with the mid wing design. so when I'm on final I lose > site of the runway at any speed under 80kts due to the angle of attack so > what I have learned is to slip my landing from downwind right to the > numbers and that seems to work well. But its still work in progress. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163004#163004 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:18 AM PST US From: "Peter Pengilly" Subject: RE: Aerobatic-List: Re: extra Steve, I had a mid wing 300 for a while. The best technique I found was to fly a curving approach if at all possible, and convert that to a large slip as I lined up on final, with plenty of power. I held the slip to the absolute last minute (probably 20' or below), straightened up, cut the power and landed. On take off I would leave the ground at 80kt in the 3 point attitude, so I approached at 80kt. Any more and I would float down the runway completely blind. I want to know that the airplane would land as soon as I shut the throttle. Kicking off the slip was enough to give a little 'flare' to stop the rate of descent. Speed control +2kt -0 on final was key to a good landing, at light weights I could get it down to 75kt without arriving too much tailwheel first. Using this technique I did land on a 900ft runway one day with plenty to spare (but there was a 25kt wind blowing) - the alternative was 25kt across 1800' or land 25 miles away! Once on the ground I would pick the tail up so I could see where I was going and could brake quite heavily controlling the attitude with the elevator down to about 20 kt. Hope this helps, Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-aerobatic-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aerobatic-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of raddatz Sent: 08 February 2008 15:49 Subject: Aerobatic-List: Re: extra I have got over 600 hours in RV's with 500 plus hours in taildraggers. My plane is a Extra 260 with the mid wing design. so when I'm on final I lose site of the runway at any speed under 80kts due to the angle of attack so what I have learned is to slip my landing from downwind right to the numbers and that seems to work well. But its still work in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163004#163004 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:37 PM PST US Subject: Aerobatic-List: Re: extra From: "raddatz" Peter that is beautiful, I also stand the tail during rollout. Thanks for the info I'm also landing at my airpark which is narrow for a blind landing, but its progressing nicely. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163050#163050 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:11 PM PST US Subject: RE: Aerobatic-List: Re: extra From: "Monty Barrett Sr" You guys all need some Cessna 195 time. Talk about BLIND-------- Monty Barrett C-195 Pitts 12 Former Skybolt -----Original Message----- From: owner-aerobatic-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aerobatic-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Pengilly Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: RE: Aerobatic-List: Re: extra Steve, I had a mid wing 300 for a while. The best technique I found was to fly a curving approach if at all possible, and convert that to a large slip as I lined up on final, with plenty of power. I held the slip to the absolute last minute (probably 20' or below), straightened up, cut the power and landed. On take off I would leave the ground at 80kt in the 3 point attitude, so I approached at 80kt. Any more and I would float down the runway completely blind. I want to know that the airplane would land as soon as I shut the throttle. Kicking off the slip was enough to give a little 'flare' to stop the rate of descent. Speed control +2kt -0 on final was key to a good landing, at light weights I could get it down to 75kt without arriving too much tailwheel first. Using this technique I did land on a 900ft runway one day with plenty to spare (but there was a 25kt wind blowing) - the alternative was 25kt across 1800' or land 25 miles away! Once on the ground I would pick the tail up so I could see where I was going and could brake quite heavily controlling the attitude with the elevator down to about 20 kt. Hope this helps, Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-aerobatic-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aerobatic-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of raddatz Sent: 08 February 2008 15:49 Subject: Aerobatic-List: Re: extra I have got over 600 hours in RV's with 500 plus hours in taildraggers. My plane is a Extra 260 with the mid wing design. so when I'm on final I lose site of the runway at any speed under 80kts due to the angle of attack so what I have learned is to slip my landing from downwind right to the numbers and that seems to work well. But its still work in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=163004#163004 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:34 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Aerobatic-List: Re: Aerobatic-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 11/28/07 Dan Farmer a crit : > I am new to this site. Can anyone tell me anything about a CAP10 B? > > *//* What do you want to know about the CAP 10 B ? Nice airplane with beautifully harmonized controls. Logged about 500-600 hrs in it, almost 98 % aerobatics. Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:20 PM PST US Subject: Aerobatic-List: Re: extra From: "raddatz" Monty you could mount a video camera under the wing and a tv screen in the panel and still not affect useful load. Monty, I'm going to put a full Slick ignition system on my extra 260 which has a 315hp IO-540 that you built, What model slick mag would you use because it has 23* degree bendix on it now and would you install duel impulse mags. 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