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| Subject:  | Re: Official Aerobatic-List Usage Guidelines | 
      
      
      Please Unsubscribe me from this list.
      
      Bill
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      William & Sandra Paulin
      1575 South Forest Drive
      Prescott, AZ 86303
      
      Bill
        Cell         +1 858 722 2905
        Office      +1 760 720 2905
        Europe  +358 40 720 4047
      
        wpaulin@usa.net
      
      Sandy
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      On Feb 2, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
      
      
      Dear Listers,
      
      Please read over the Aerobatic-List Usage Guidelines below.  The complete
      Aerobatic-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
      following URL:
      
        http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Aerobatic-List.FAQ.html
      
      Thank you,
      
      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator
      
      
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                          Aerobatic-List Usage Guidelines
      ******************************************************************************
      
      The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Aerobatic-List.
      You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
      Failure to use the Aerobatic-List in the manner described below may result 
      in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
      
      
      Aerobatic-List Policy Statement
      
      The purpose of the Aerobatic-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
      things related to this particular discussion group.  The List's goals
      are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
      high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
      among its members; and to support safe operation.  Reaching these goals 
      requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of 
      the List.  To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
      
      
      - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level.  Do not submit
        posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
        lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
      
      - THINK carefully before you write.  Ask yourself if your post will be
        relevant to everyone.  If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
      
      - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
        that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate.  Try to be concise and
        terse in your posts.  Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
        responses.
      
      - Keep your signature brief.  Please include your name, email address,
        aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location.  A short line
        about where you are in the building process is also nice.  Avoid
        bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
        space in the archive.
      
      - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
        easily obtainable from other widely available sources.  Consult the
        web page or FAQ first.
      
      - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
        your response the same as that of the original post.  This makes it
        easy to find threads in the archive.
      
      - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
        response.  DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
        reader to the topic at hand, but be selective.  The impact that
        quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive 
        can not be overstated!
      
      - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
        then go ahead and reply to the List.  Be aware that clicking the
        "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
        response to the original poster.  You might have to actively address
        your response with the original poster's email address.
      
      - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
        to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal.  "Way to go!", "I
        agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
        to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
      
      - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
        comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
        contribute something valuable.
      
      - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
        polite and respectful.  Don't make snide comments, personally attack
        other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
        controversial issue.  This will only cause a pointless debate that
        will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
      
      - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly 
        subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable.  Posts by 
        List members promoting their respective products or items for sale 
        should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble 
        a typical SPAM message.  The List isn't about commercialism, but 
        is about sharing information and knowledge.  This applies to 
        everyone, including those who provide products to the entire 
        community.  Informal presentation and moderation should be the 
        operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
      
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      [This is an automated posting.]
      
      do not archive
      
      
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      Please Unsubscribe me from this list.
      
      Bill
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      William L. Paulin, Ph.D.
      PaulinNeal Associates
      1575 South Forest Drive
      Prescott, AZ 86303
      
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      wpaulin@paulinneal.com
      
      On Feb 2, 2012, at 12:00 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
      
      
      Dear Listers,
      
      Please read over the Aerobatic-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below.  The
      complete Aerobatic-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
      following URL:
      
        http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Aerobatic-List.FAQ.html
      
      Thank you,
      
      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator
      
      
      [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
              Courier.  Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
      
      
        This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
      
                      http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Aerobatic-List.htm
      
      
             ************************************************************
             ******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
             ************************************************************
      
      
      PLEASE READ.  This document contains Aerobatic-List policies and information
      for new and old subscribers.  Understanding the Aerobatic-List policies will
      minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Aerobatic-List
      running smoothly for all of us.
      
      
      ******************************************
      *** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
      ******************************************
      
        There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
        one is described in detailed below.  However, using the List Navigator
        you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
        List.  The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
      
                      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Aerobatic-List
      
      
      ****************************************
      *** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
      ****************************************
      
        Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
        select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from.  You
        may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of 
        your email address as it is subscribed to the List.  Please see the 
        complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
        The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
      
                      http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
      
        Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
        process.  The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
        was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
      
        You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.  
        The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours.  You cannot post 
        until you receive the second conformation email message.
      
      
      *****************************
      *** How to Post a Message ***
      *****************************
      
        Send an email message to:
      
                       aerobatic-list@matronics.com
      
        Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
        to the List.
      
      
      *****************************************************
      *** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
      *****************************************************
      
        When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
        is checked and compared against the current subscription list.  If the
        email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
        If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
        is dumped.  This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
        gets posted to the Lists.
      
        Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
        with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
        or Eudora.  For example, the following two email addresses may be
        functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
        test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
      
                       smith@machine.domain.com
      
                       smith@domain.com
      
       Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
       your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to 
       the List.
      
      
      **************************************
      *** Enclosure Support on the Lists *** 
      **************************************
      
        Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
        is supported on the Lists.  There are a number of restrictions, and these
        are detailed below.  Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
        content of enclosures.
      
        These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics 
        Lists:
      
        1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
      
        2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
      
        3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
      
        4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
      
        5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
      
        6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
      
                      bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
      
           All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
           sender.  The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
           a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
      
        7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
           to the List.  This is done in real time and will not slow down
           the process of posting the message !!
      
      
        Here are some rules for posting enclosures.  Failure to abide by these rules
      
        could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
      
        1) Pay attention to what you are posting!!  Make sure that the files
           you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB).  Remember that there
           are still people checking they're email via dial up modem.  If you post
           30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
           folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
      
        2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!!  I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
           pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each.  This is just 
           unacceptable.  Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
           down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
           file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
      
           Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
           you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically 
           scale it down and resave it.  This is a great utility - get it, use it!
           http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
           Look for the link "Image Resizer"
      
        3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway.  Do not
           post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
           And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even 
           questionable. !!
      
        4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
           subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
           to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!!  BE CAREFUL and 
           BE COURTEOUS!
      
        Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
        you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
        for long time viewing and availability.
      
      
      *******************
      *** Digest Mode ***
      *******************
      
        Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
        This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended 
        to the archive file.  It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
        and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting 
        of a line of underscores.
      
        Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
        combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
      
        To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form 
        described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
      
                      http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
      
        Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
        of the List at the same time.  This is perfectly acceptable.
      
       Now some caveats:
      
        * Messages sent to "aerobatic-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
          email list.  In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
          digest List.
      
        * If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
          will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
          the day.
      
        * If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
          normal list associated with the digest.  Important Note:  Please change
          the subject line to reflect the topic of your response!  Also, please 
          *do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
      
      
      ****************************
      *** List Digest Browser ***
      ****************************
      
        An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
        or HTML format.  These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
        the Digest email list on the given day.  The Digest Archives can be found
        at the following location: 
      
                      http://www.matronics.com/digest
      
      
      *****************************************
      *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
      *****************************************
      
        At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
      
        small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
      
        it.  In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the 
        message:
      
                      do not archive
      
        Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List 
        email distribution as normal.
      
      
      **********************************************
      ***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
      **********************************************
      
        Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
        email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
        removed from the List.  If you discover that you are no longer receiving
        messages from the Aerobatic-List, go to the following Web page, and look
        for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
      
        The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that 
        automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that 
        caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox 
        full", etc.  If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the 
        Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
      
                      http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
      
        If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel 
        free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
      
      
      *******************************
      *** List Member Information ***
      *******************************
      
        If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and 
        paper mail address in the following format:
      
                      smith@somehost.com
                      Joe Smith
                      123 Airport Lane
                      Tower, CA 91234-1234
                      098-765-1234 w
                      123-456-7890 h
      
        Please forward this information to the following email address:
      
                      requests@matronics.com
      
        I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when 
        there are problems with your email address.  The information will NOT 
        be used for any other commercial purpose.
      
      
      ****************************************
      *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
      ****************************************
      
        Recent messages posted to the Aerobatic-List are also made available on
        the Web for realtime browsing.  Seven days worth of back postings are
        available with this feature.  The messages can be sorted by Subject, 
        Author, Date, or Message Thread.  The Realtime List Browser indexes are 
        updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45.  You can also reply to a message 
        or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
        You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
        Browser Interface in view-mode.
      
                      http://www.matronics.com/browselist/aerobatic-list
      
      
      *******************************************
      *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
      *******************************************
      
        A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Aerobatic-List content.
        content.  The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
      
        distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the 
        List Browse, etc.  Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the 
        respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to 
        the web Forums.
      
        You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
        If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
        will need to Register.  This is a simple process that takes only a few
        minutes.  A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
        main web Forums page.  Note that registering on the Forum web site also
        enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well.  You will also need to
      
        Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
        Email Distribution of the List, however.
      
        The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
      
                      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      
      *********************************
      *** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
      *********************************
      
      In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed 
      information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
      
                      http://wiki.matronics.com
      
      The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information 
      for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
      
      where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki 
      permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
      
      While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be 
      comfortable building pages.  In that case, simply prepare the text and any 
      images and email it to:
      
                     wiki-support@matronics.com
      
      One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct 
      a Wiki page for you.
      
      Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the 
      Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that 
      post and convert it into a Wiki page.
      
      
      *********************
      *** List Archives ***
      *********************
      
        A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Aerobatic-List is
        available on line.  The archive file information is available via the 
        Web and FTP in a number of forms.  Each are briefly described below:
      
      
        * Aerobatic-List.FAQ 
      
                 - Latest version of the Aerobatic-List Frequently Asked Question 
                   page (this document).
      
        * Aerobatic-Archive.digest.complete 
      
                 - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and 
                   page breaks inserted between messages.
      
        * Aerobatic-Archive.digest.vol-??  
      
                 - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that 
                   can more easily handled.
      
        * Aerobatic-Archive.digest.complete.zip 
      
                 - Same as the Aerobatic-Archive.digest.complete file above, but 
                   in PKZIP format.  Use "binary" data transfer methods.
      
        * Aerobatic-Archive.digest.complete.Z 
      
                 - Same as the Aerobatic-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in 
                   UNIX compress format.  Use "binary" data transfer methods.
      
      
       Download Via FTP
       ----------------
      
        The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
        in the "/pub/Archives" directory.  It is updated daily and can be found in
        a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
      
                       ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
      
      
       Download Via Web
       ----------------
      
        The archives are also available via a web listing.  These can be found
        toward the bottom of the following web page:
      
                       http://www.matronics.com/archives
      
      
      ******************************************
      *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
      ******************************************
      
        All messages posted to the Aerobatic-List are also available using the
        Email List Archive Browsing feature.  With this utility, all messages
        in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
      
                       http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Aerobatic
      
      
      *****************************************
      **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
      *****************************************
      
        You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
        to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
        List.  The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
        available List archives.
      
                       http://www.matronics.com/search
      
      
      ****************************
      *** File and Photo Share ***
      ****************************
      
        With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
        and other data with members of the List without having to forward a 
        copy of it to everyone.  To share your Files and Photos, simply email 
        them to:
      
                       pictures@matronics.com
      
        !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
      
                       1) Email Lists that they are related to.
                       2) Your Full Name.
                       3) Your Email Address.
                       4) One line Subject description.
                       5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
                       6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
      
        Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
        for viruses.  Please also note that the process of making the files and
        photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
        process them every few days.
      
        Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
        sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
        Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
      
        For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
        Index Page:
      
                       http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
      
      
      **************************
      *** List Archive CDROM ***
      **************************
      
        A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
        all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists.  The archives
        for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
        engine written by a list member.  The CD is burned the day you order it
        and will contain archive received  up to the last minute.  They make 
        great gifts!
      
                       http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
      
      
      **********************************
      *** List Support Contributions ***
      **********************************
      
        The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
        You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
        annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
        associated with the Matronics Email Lists.  Every year during November
        I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
        I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they 
        are comfortable.
      
        I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
        Fund Raiser to increase the participation.  The gifts are usually donated
        by companies that are themselves List members.
      
        Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
        including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
        system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
        many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
        variety of services found here.
      
        Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
        and non-compulsory.  I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
        value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
      
        Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just 
        subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
      
        The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below.  There are
        a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
        sending a personal check.
      
        If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
        support its continued operation?
      
                       http://www.matronics.com/contributions
      
        Thank you!
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        Email List Administrator
      
      
      ******************************************************************************
                          Aerobatic-List Usage Guidelines
      ******************************************************************************
      
      The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Aerobatic-List.
      You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
      Failure to use the Aerobatic-List in the manner described below may result 
      in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
      
      
      Aerobatic-List Policy Statement
      
      The purpose of the Aerobatic-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
      things related to this particular discussion group.  The List's goals
      are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
      high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
      among its members; and to support safe operation.  Reaching these goals 
      requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of 
      the List.  To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
      
      
      - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level.  Do not submit
        posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
        lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
      
      - THINK carefully before you write.  Ask yourself if your post will be
        relevant to everyone.  If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
      
      - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
        that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate.  Try to be concise and
        terse in your posts.  Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
        responses.
      
      - Keep your signature brief.  Please include your name, email address,
        aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location.  A short line
        about where you are in the building process is also nice.  Avoid
        bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
        space in the archive.
      
      - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
        easily obtainable from other widely available sources.  Consult the
        web page or FAQ first.
      
      - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
        your response the same as that of the original post.  This makes it
        easy to find threads in the archive.
      
      - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
        response.  DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
        reader to the topic at hand, but be selective.  The impact that
        quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive 
        can not be overstated!
      
      - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
        then go ahead and reply to the List.  Be aware that clicking the
        "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
        response to the original poster.  You might have to actively address
        your response with the original poster's email address.
      
      - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
        to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal.  "Way to go!", "I
        agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
        to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
      
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