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1. 05:02 AM - Wiring Question (Randy Pflanzer)
2. 07:05 AM - Re: Wiring Question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 07:10 AM - Re: OVM Installation (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
4. 07:21 AM - Re: My other life . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 07:41 AM - Fire detection circuit (Peter Laurence)
6. 07:49 AM - Re: My other life . . . (mprather@spro.net)
7. 08:26 AM - Re: OVM Installation (Robert Dickson)
8. 09:06 AM - Re: My other life . . . (Dennis O'Connor)
9. 11:44 AM - Re: Wiring Question (barry pote)
10. 11:52 AM - Re: OVM Installation (Wallace Enga)
11. 12:48 PM - Alternator question (Sanders, Andrew P)
12. 03:45 PM - Fuel Gauges (Eric M. Jones)
13. 06:29 PM - Re: Fuel Gauges (David Swartzendruber)
14. 07:27 PM - Re: OVM Installation (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
15. 08:44 PM - List of Contributors #1 - A Special Thank You... (Matt Dralle)
16. 10:21 PM - Re: Wiring Question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
17. 10:25 PM - Re: My other life . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
18. 11:37 PM - Re: Wiring Question (Jim Jewell)
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Randy Pflanzer <F1Rocket@comcast.net>
Bob,
On the F1 Rocket, the battery, ELT, and battery solenoid are installed
in the baggage area under a panel. My TruTrak autopilot servo for the
elevator is also installed here. I would also like to install my
strobe power unit and the relays/speed controller for my MAC servos in
the same area for access reasons. Do you see any problem with having
this mix of electrical components within close proximity of one
another? Should I separate the wiring runs in any way? I have the
following wire bundles into and out of this location:
1) Battery cables (positive and negative)
2) Strobe power and two strobe output bundles
3) Autopilot servo bundle
4) Trim motor bundle into and out of the controller and relay
As always, your advice is greatly appreciated.
Randy Pflanzer
F1 Rocket #95
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/f1rocket/
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring Question |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 07:59 AM 12/3/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Randy Pflanzer <F1Rocket@comcast.net>
>
>Bob,
>
>On the F1 Rocket, the battery, ELT, and battery solenoid are installed
>in the baggage area under a panel. My TruTrak autopilot servo for the
>elevator is also installed here. I would also like to install my
>strobe power unit and the relays/speed controller for my MAC servos in
>the same area for access reasons. Do you see any problem with having
>this mix of electrical components within close proximity of one
>another? Should I separate the wiring runs in any way? I have the
>following wire bundles into and out of this location:
>1) Battery cables (positive and negative)
>2) Strobe power and two strobe output bundles
>3) Autopilot servo bundle
>4) Trim motor bundle into and out of the controller and relay
>
>As always, your advice is greatly appreciated.
No special problems to be anticipated here. All these
things should live happily together.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: OVM Installation |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 03:15 PM 12/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert Dickson"
><robert@thenews-journal.com>
>
>Bob and others:
>
>
> >> > My understanding is that the circuit breaker is what kills power to
> >> > the alternator field on an over voltage condition
> >>Hmmm. My understanding is different. As wired in my plane, the OV module
> >>shorts the breaker as you say. However, when the circuit breaker pops it
> >>kills the voltage to the field of the contactor which is connecting the
> >>alternator output (B lead) to the battery, thus removing the offending
> >>voltage from the system whether or not the alternator field is receiving
> >>power internally to the alternator itself.
> >
> > Internally and externally regulated alternators ARE slightly
> > different in the way that the OVM tames a runaway alternator.
> > For internally regulated machines, the external B-lead
> > contactor is not necessary.
>
>I don't understand the statement that "For internally regulated machines,
>the external B-lead contactor is not necessary." I'm looking at the diagram
>that comes with the OVM and it clearly shows an "alternator disconnect
>contactor" in the "typical wiring for internal regulator" section. I've just
>installed said regulator (S701-1). Is it really not necessary, or what is it
>I'm not understanding here?
There are two wiring diagrams for the OVM . . . page 2 of the instructions
shows a typical installation for externally regulated alternators, page
3 is for internally regulated alternators.
Bob .. .
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| Subject: | Re: My other life . . . |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 02:56 PM 12/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis O'Connor"
><doconnor@chartermi.net>
>
>I know that you are simply supplying the customer with what he wants... But,
>there are way too many failure points in a last chance device that
>complicated...
That's why the total of 16 initiators are split into two
sets of 8, each system is capable of launching the chute.
Each system has its own ship's power source backed up by
its own battery internally. Each system has its own set
of wire bundles. Both systems get full up continuity
testing of each initiator circuit, output from the constant
current generators is checked and each battery is load
tested with a preflight test fixture that takes a line technician
about 30 seconds to conduct before the door is closed on
the airplane.
So it's two, independent systems running side by side
that get preflight checked. The system Dean and I put
together has about 10% of the parts count of the system
we replaced. I don't recall the exact numbers (the study
was done a couple of years ago on an earlier installation
of this same system) but the reliability guys blessed
it as adequate to the task.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Fire detection circuit |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Peter Laurence <dr.laurence@mbdi.org>
Bob,
I'm attempting to design a fire detection sensor/circuit.
My design consists of a closed loop LED with a 500 or so ohm current
limiting resistor. I would short the resistor between the led and the
resistor through the thermal fuse to ground. I believe this would reduce the
amps suffiently to the led to keep it turned off. When the fuse melts the
led would turn on.
Would this shorting scheme work ?
Peter Laurence
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| Subject: | Re: My other life . . . |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: mprather@spro.net
Is the chute for spin testing or something??? Or brake failure?
MAP
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: My other life . . .
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
> At 02:56 PM 12/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis O'Connor"
> ><doconnor@chartermi.net>
> >
> >I know that you are simply supplying the customer with what he
> wants... But,
> >there are way too many failure points in a last chance device that
> >complicated...
>
> That's why the total of 16 initiators are split into two
> sets of 8, each system is capable of launching the chute.
> Each system has its own ship's power source backed up by
> its own battery internally. Each system has its own set
> of wire bundles. Both systems get full up continuity
> testing of each initiator circuit, output from the constant
> current generators is checked and each battery is load
> tested with a preflight test fixture that takes a line technician
> about 30 seconds to conduct before the door is closed on
> the airplane.
>
> So it's two, independent systems running side by side
> that get preflight checked. The system Dean and I put
> together has about 10% of the parts count of the system
> we replaced. I don't recall the exact numbers (the study
> was done a couple of years ago on an earlier installation
> of this same system) but the reliability guys blessed
> it as adequate to the task.
>
> Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: OVM Installation |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert Dickson" <robert@thenews-journal.com>
Hi Bob
where do I find these "switch panel layouts?" Are they in the 'Connection?
thanks,
Robert Dickson
RV-6A electrical
do not archive
>in all of the switch panel layouts
> we've published.
>
> Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: My other life . . . |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis O'Connor" <doconnor@chartermi.net>
OK Bob, I feel better about it now... And I know you have enough scars on
your hide to make sure that there is no single failure that can shut down
both redundant systems..
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: My other life . . .
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
> At 02:56 PM 12/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis O'Connor"
> ><doconnor@chartermi.net>
> >
> >I know that you are simply supplying the customer with what he wants...
But,
> >there are way too many failure points in a last chance device that
> >complicated...
>
> That's why the total of 16 initiators are split into two
> sets of 8, each system is capable of launching the chute.
> Each system has its own ship's power source backed up by
> its own battery internally. Each system has its own set
> of wire bundles. Both systems get full up continuity
> testing of each initiator circuit, output from the constant
> current generators is checked and each battery is load
> tested with a preflight test fixture that takes a line technician
> about 30 seconds to conduct before the door is closed on
> the airplane.
>
> So it's two, independent systems running side by side
> that get preflight checked. The system Dean and I put
> together has about 10% of the parts count of the system
> we replaced. I don't recall the exact numbers (the study
> was done a couple of years ago on an earlier installation
> of this same system) but the reliability guys blessed
> it as adequate to the task.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring Question |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: barry pote <barrypote@comcast.net>
Bob, to expand this question a step further, if say for weight and
balance purposes, could all the things listed below be moved to the
firewall, without causing problems with radios and instruments?
Barry Pote RV9a
> >
> >Bob,
> >
> >On the F1 Rocket, the battery, ELT, and battery solenoid are installed
> >in the baggage area under a panel. My TruTrak autopilot servo for the
> >elevator is also installed here. I would also like to install my
> >strobe power unit and the relays/speed controller for my MAC servos in
> >the same area for access reasons. Do you see any problem with having
> >this mix of electrical components within close proximity of one
> >another? Should I separate the wiring runs in any way? I have the
> >following wire bundles into and out of this location:
>
> >1) Battery cables (positive and negative)
> >2) Strobe power and two strobe output bundles
> >3) Autopilot servo bundle
> >4) Trim motor bundle into and out of the controller and relay
> >
>
> No special problems to be anticipated here. All these
> things should live happily together.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OVM Installation |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Wallace Enga <wenga@svtv.com>
> I don't understand the statement that "For internally regulated
machines, the external B-lead contactor is not necessary."
> I'm looking at the diagram that comes with the OVM and it clearly shows
an "alternator disconnect contactor"
> in the "typical wiring for internal regulator" section. I've just
installed said regulator (S701-1).
> Is it really not necessary, or what is it I'm not understanding here?
> TIA for explaining
> Robert Dickson
> RV-6A electrical
I think the way Bob has explained it here before, that it is just the
opposite ---
"For internally regulated machines, the external B-lead contactor is
necessary."
The way I understand it is that modern alternators with a control lead
going to the internal regulator,
have possible failure modes resulting in a runaway over voltage condition
even with the
control lead (field) disconnected. A sort of self induced excitation
condition (Sounds kind of obscene).
The over voltage condition results in the OVM shorting the control lead
(field) to ground which trips
it's 5 amp supply breaker. This also removes power to the alternator
disconnect contactor, isolating
the alternator output from the electrical system.
As a side note, all the Boeing series I have flown B707, B727, B757 and
B747 had a procedure
that after a generator fault and the Generator Breaker and Field had been
opened --- then the
Constant Speed Drive (CSD) was also disconnected from the engine to prevent
the generator from even turning.
Might be hard to duplicate that feature here though. Maybe an auto
alternator belt cutter :)
Wally Enga
RV7 wings
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| Subject: | Alternator question |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sanders, Andrew P" <andrew.p.sanders@boeing.com>
The Ford alternator in our Cardinal has three terminals surrounded by a
plastic insulator and two studs attached directly to the case. One of the
insulated terminals is the field, the second is the output (bat). The
airframe ground and the shields from the other wires are connected to one of
the studs on the case.
The question is what is the third insulated terminal for?
Thanks,
Andrew
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
I am contemplating the design of a non-microprocessor fuel-quantity linearizer
and need to know what volt/current the gauges (of various manufacturers) require
for a reading of Full, 3/4, 1/2, 1/1, and empty. Does anyone use a 4-20 mA
system?
In my proposed system, you'd fill the fuel tank to a certain capacity and set the
meter to read right, etc.
Thanks,
Eric M. Jones
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Swartzendruber" <dswartzendruber@earthlink.net>
Eric,
If you would like to do a microprocessor version, please feel free. Even
though I volunteered to do it, I can find plenty of other things to keep
myself busy.
David Swartzendruber
Wichita
>
> I am contemplating the design of a non-microprocessor fuel-quantity
linearizer and need to know what volt/current the gauges (of various
manufacturers) require for a reading of Full, 3/4, 1/2, 1/1, and empty.
Does anyone use a 4-20 mA system?
>
> In my proposed system, you'd fill the fuel tank to a certain capacity and
set the meter to read right, etc.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric M. Jones
>
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| Subject: | Re: OVM Installation |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 03:25 PM 12/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert Dickson"
><robert@thenews-journal.com>
>
>
> >>1) As I read the instructions for an external regulator it looks like I
> >>can wire this to the regulator "in" line that is controlled by the
> >>alternator switch and then ground it locally at by the voltage regulator.
> >>Is this correct?
> >
> > Essentially. You can wire the OVM into the system at any convenient
> > place DOWNSTREAM of the circuit breaker that supplies either field
> > excitation power (external regulator) or alternator control power
> > (internally regulated).
> >
> >>2) Why is it necessary to wire the alternator to a resettable circuit
> >>breaker? Is it only to reset for nuisance tripping? or is there another
> >>reason why I would want to have the over voltage turned back on?
> >
> > Yes, to allow resetting for nuisance trips. OBAM aircraft
> > are famous for situations that might trigger the OV module.
> > Eventually, we track them down and fix them. If it were
> > my airplane, the 5A breaker for OVM system would be on
> > the panel as shown in all of the switch panel layouts
> > we've published.
>
>
>Well, this is something else I'm not understanding completely. I'm using an
>internally regulated alternator in a Z-11 system with over voltage
>protection. The 5A fuse shown should be a switch/breaker mounted on the
>panel? Does it still come off the fuseblock main bus? Is it fused at the
>bus?
>I'm sure these are basic questions, but I'll appreciate any help I can get.
Figure Z-24 describes the difference wiring for internally regulated
alternators. I recommend a 22AWG fusible link at the bus to bring power
up to the DC PWR MASTER switch and then on to a 5A breaker. The ov
module is shown connected to the downstream side of the breaker.
The fusible link is just to protect the "extended bus" up to the
5A breaker . . . and do it in a way that will not nuisance trip
when the ov module trips the breaker. It's difficult to do this
with a straight fuse because fuses are so much faster than breakers.
Our early suggestions used one of the fuse slots on the block to
provide an alternator field feed. Had several builders take the
fuse up to 20A to find one that would stay closed long enough
to open a 5A breaker in series with it. This was the situation that
prompted us to look at the fusible link alternative.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | List of Contributors #1 - A Special Thank You... |
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 02:42 PM 12/3/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: barry pote <barrypote@comcast.net>
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>Bob, to expand this question a step further, if say for weight and
>balance purposes, could all the things listed below be moved to the
>firewall, without causing problems with radios and instruments?
Sure.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 08:49 AM 12/3/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: mprather@spro.net
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>Is the chute for spin testing or something??? Or brake failure?
These are for use in flight. The first systems I put
in Premier and Horizon had two different chutes. One
was about 4-5 feet in diameter and intended for use
to recover from mach-tuck events. The larger one
was about 8' in diameter and used for deep stall and
spin recovery.
The system I'm finishing up in Premier tomorrow is
a single, large canopy for slow speed work only.
I'll try to track down the video of the in-flight
deployments on Horizon and see if I can get a
copy of it.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi Bob,
I have found a web site that offers the Odyssy PC-680 battery for $74.69.
They sell many of the other Odyssey line part numbers as well at simular
pricing.
Their site is;
http://www.sunnbattery.com/category.html?UCIDs=1209500
The van's catalog lists the PC-680 @ $160.00
I am considering the PC-680, or the PC-625 over the PC-545 because of the
summer winter weather and temperature range in this area just North of the
Canadian USA. border and near the West coast. Nearly semi arid dessert with
long hot summers and short but moderately cold winters.
I am thinking that the extra weight of one of these two units is a small
penalty ( about two to three pounds) to pay for what seems to be a bit of
extra punch and or or endurance. That is of course if I am interpreting the
spec sheet for the PC-545, PC-625 and PC-680 correctly. Is there reason to
choose one over the others for My O-360-A1A C/S with a Toyota starter
conversion.
After a number of hours on the net I have not found any lower pricing
anywhere else and thought I would pass it along and also ask the above
question at one and the same time.
And a question for others on the list; Does anyone else have info (pro or
con) about this particular company?
Thanks,
Jim in Kelowna - The only thing that arrives on the scene faster that a good
idea is an opinion as to how wrong it is. :)!
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