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1. 12:05 AM - Re: Downloadable CD . . . (richard@riley.net)
2. 04:41 AM - Re: Electroluminescent Lighting (Dave O'Donnell)
3. 04:47 AM - Re: Re: Downloadable CD . . . (LarryRobertHelming)
4. 05:57 AM - Re: Electroluminescent Lighting (Richard Dudley)
5. 06:21 AM - Re: Electroluminescent Lighting (Livingston John W Civ ASC/ENFD)
6. 07:23 AM - Electroluminescent Lighting (Eric M. Jones)
7. 08:05 AM - GPS (Fergus Kyle)
8. 08:38 AM - Re: Electroluminescent Lighting (John Slade)
9. 08:56 AM - Re: GPS (Matt Prather)
10. 09:06 AM - Re: Turn & Bank vs. Turn Coordinator (Kent/Jackie Ashton)
11. 09:25 AM - encoder compatibility (N2165v@aol.com)
12. 09:28 AM - Re: GPS (richard@riley.net)
13. 10:00 AM - Re: Wiring Question (HCRV6@aol.com)
14. 10:00 AM - Re: encoder compatibility (William Yamokoski)
15. 10:04 AM - Re: encoder compatibility (Randy Pflanzer)
16. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: Downloadable CD . . . (John Schroeder)
17. 11:45 AM - Off line for just a little bit more . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
18. 01:14 PM - Re: Off line for just a little bit more . . . (N823ms@aol.com)
19. 01:22 PM - Re: GPS (Dennis O'Connor)
20. 02:23 PM - RV-6A Wiring Diagram - Mac Friendly (Jack Haviland)
21. 02:26 PM - Re: Wing tip strobes. (Steve Sampson)
22. 03:09 PM - Re: Wing tip strobes. (John Loram)
23. 06:30 PM - Wing tip strobes (Rob W M Shipley)
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| Subject: | Re: Downloadable CD . . . |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net
Is the downloadable CD still available? The last address I have for it is
http://216.55.140.222/AEC70 but it says file not found.
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| Subject: | Electroluminescent Lighting |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave O'Donnell" <daveodonnell@direcway.com>
These folks use EL in their panels and sell glow strips, but they also
use LEDs and fiber optics:
http://www.sptpanel.com/default.htm
This is another source for general EL stuff:
http://elamusainc.com/
These folks use El bezels for instrument lighting:
http://www.umainstruments.com/body.htm
The thing that concerns me about El is the dimming with age. Just like
the "lime light" night lights (El using 120 vac) they start out good
then deteriorate with age (70% less after 3,000 hrs) & are damaged by
sunlight. This time deterioration may be insignificant because it
appears to be operating time. A pdf for the EL wire is below;
http://elamusainc.com/PDFS/5mmCommon.pdf
Best regards,
Dave O - do not archive -
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Phillips
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Electroluminescent Lighting
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Phillips
<ripsteel@edge.net>
About 2 or 3 months ago there was a brief discussion on EL lighting with
some links- I can not find the one I need in the archives, (I found the
"Being Seen" site). This was for the non-aviation sheet and strip
lighting. Would appreciate any links- Thanks!
Mark Phillips - do not archive -
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| Subject: | Re: Downloadable CD . . . |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Not sure what CD you are referring to but the whole list of what is
available is here:
http://216.55.140.222/articles.html
Indiana Larry ----- Original Message -----
From: <richard@riley.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Downloadable CD . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Electroluminescent Lighting |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Mark,
Here is another link of a company in Orlando where I purchased strips
and a power supply:
www.luxurylighting.net
Regards,
Richard Dudley
Mark Phillips wrote:
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
>
> About 2 or 3 months ago there was a brief discussion on EL lighting with
> some links- I can not find the one I need in the archives, (I found the
> "Being Seen" site). This was for the non-aviation sheet and strip
> lighting. Would appreciate any links- Thanks!
>
> Mark Phillips - do not archive -
>
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| Subject: | Electroluminescent Lighting |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Livingston John W Civ ASC/ENFD <John.Livingston@wpafb.af.mil>
Mark,
Try www.e-lite.com They have 3 light demo kit which includes an inverter for
about 40 bucks that I am mounting on my instrument glare shield, The 3x3 will
be my dome light.
John
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From: Mark Phillips [mailto:ripsteel@edge.net]
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Electroluminescent Lighting
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
About 2 or 3 months ago there was a brief discussion on EL lighting with
some links- I can not find the one I need in the archives, (I found the
"Being Seen" site). This was for the non-aviation sheet and strip
lighting. Would appreciate any links- Thanks!
Mark Phillips - do not archive -
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| Subject: | Electroluminescent Lighting |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
Along with fiberoptics, electroluminescent lighting has its uses. But---
I suggest for home-built aircraft, its very hard to beat LEDs. Chief advantage
is no inverter. Inverters are always noisy and it's one more thing to fail.
LEDs are dimmable just like incandescent lamps. They last virtually forever (100,000
and more).
Eric
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
"The TC in the Garmin 196 works by rapidly measuring the change in
heading......"
Perhaps I'm too old for this, but Heading seems to me to be the direction of
the aircraft's nose. As you say, GPS cannot detect this. Therefore , GPS
provides Track Made Good or Ground Track and its changes only.
Ferg
Europa A064
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| Subject: | Electroluminescent Lighting |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Slade" <sladerj@bellsouth.net>
> I suggest for home-built aircraft, its very hard to beat LEDs.
Agreed. I just got my goose neck dimmer back from Bob with the revised
resistors he recommended in an earlier post. Now the LED's, two for my sight
gauges and two on the panel, have a full range of brightness. The map light,
dome light and avionics lights also dim nicely. Excellent!
Bob. I know you're busy with more important stuff right now, but many thanks
for you're efforts fixing and modifying my unit.
Regards,
John Slade
Cozy IV
http://kgarden.com/cozy
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
Certainly, your point is well taken. There will be differences between
heading
and track. Except for a slow airplane in high winds, can you describe a
scenario
where the ground track and heading will differ enough to cause you loss of
control problems? The worst scenario I can think of is where you are
trying to
return to wings level after loss of control, and end up on a heading that
is nearly perpendicular to the wind. Even in this scenario, I think the
GPS will allow you to
stabilize your heading (reduce the rate of change) effectively.
The GPS should be able to make a pretty good guess at what your bank angle
is, with the assumption that you aren't significantly losing altitude, and
that you
have the ball centered. This is so because turn rate, airspeed (both closely
connected to track over the ground), and bank angle are very closely related,
regardless of aircraft type. If you have entered a spiral, I believe that
the GPS will overestimate your bank angle, and that's probably okay. The
overestimation will come
from the fact that your ground track is describing a sharper turn than the
same bank
angle would for level flight. Like Old Bob said, if you can stop the
turn, you can
survive.
So, based on the above arguments, with vigilance, you should be able to keep
the wings level with the GPS. If you need to maneuver in order to make an
approach
or let down, as long as you manage your turn rate to something which
equates to less
than 30deg of bank, you should be in good shape. Things may seem a bit
squirrely
if you try to fly a slow plane on a windy day, but not unmanageable.
Regards,
Matt Prather
N34RD
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> "The TC in the Garmin 196 works by rapidly measuring the change in
> heading......"
>
> Perhaps I'm too old for this, but Heading seems to me to be the
> direction of the aircraft's nose. As you say, GPS cannot detect this.
> Therefore , GPS provides Track Made Good or Ground Track and its changes
> only.
> Ferg
> Europa A064
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Turn & Bank vs. Turn Coordinator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kent/Jackie Ashton <kjashton@vnet.net>
me too. I used to be able to fly a pretty good needle-ball-airspeed GCA
in a T-37 on the Turn Needle. When I try to fly similar things in my
Cozy with Turn Coordinator, the turn coordinator seems much more
sensitive and jumpy, and there is also the illusion that since the
little airplane doesn't climb or descend, you're flying level pitch.
I prefer the turn needle.
--Kent
Hebeard2@aol.com wrote:
> Just one very real world testimonial for the T&B when seconds counted.
> Needless to say I prefer the T&B.
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| Subject: | encoder compatibility |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: N2165v@aol.com
New to the list. Wondering if the AmeriKing AK-350 encoder is fully compatible
with a King KT-76C transponder? Does anyone have this combination?
Thanks
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net
At 11:05 AM 1/24/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
>"The TC in the Garmin 196 works by rapidly measuring the change in
>heading......"
>
>Perhaps I'm too old for this, but Heading seems to me to be the direction of
>the aircraft's nose. As you say, GPS cannot detect this. Therefore , GPS
>provides Track Made Good or Ground Track and its changes only.
Of course you're correct, but since your aircraft IS moving, and GPS can
detect changes in track in as little as a few feet (tiny fractions of a
second) it might as well be detecting heading. Except for wind correction
crab.
And if your aircraft isn't moving, you either don't need heading
information because you're parked, or you have bigger problems because
you're caught in an alien tractor beam.
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| Subject: | Re: Wiring Question |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 1/23/03 10:36:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
F1Rocket@comcast.net writes:
<< -> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Randy Pflanzer
<F1Rocket@comcast.net>
Snip<< Why doesn't the power feed wire to the main bus have any protection?
It seems to me that if the main bus (Fuse block) were to become
grounded, this wire would fry big time. >>
I followed Bob's idea of using fuse links to protect fat wires. For example,
my main bus feed to the main fuse block is a 10 AWG with a 6 inch 14 AWG fuse
link at the battery (master relay) end. I bought several feet of some
fiberglass sleeving from B & C Aeroelectric like they supply with their stock
22 AWG fuse link kits and used that to make up my own size links four AWG
sizes smaller that the main feeder per Bob's instructions.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, starting firewall forward
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| Subject: | Re: encoder compatibility |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William Yamokoski" <yamokosk@lmc.cc.mi.us>
I have that combination. AmeriKing advised me that there is no problem
with the combination. Haven't gotten it to work yet. I suspect
installer (me) error although I have heard of some folks who had to send
their original 350 back for replacement. If it wasn't so dang-blasted
cold here I might be able to work out some of the bugs my Glastar that
currently has 59 hours.
Bill Yamokoski, N4970Y
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| Subject: | Re: encoder compatibility |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Randy Pflanzer <F1Rocket@comcast.net>
I had this exact combination in my RV-6. Works just fine.
Randy
F1 Rocket
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/f1rocket/
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From: N2165v@aol.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: encoder compatibility
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: N2165v@aol.com
>
> New to the list. Wondering if the AmeriKing AK-350 encoder is
> fully compatible with a King KT-76C transponder? Does anyone have
> this combination?
> Thanks
>
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| Subject: | Re: Downloadable CD . . . |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Richard -
I downloaded it a couple of months ago. Bob sent me the url. If nobody responds
with a new site, I can burn a CD for you. Let me know.
John Schroeder
do not archive
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| Subject: | Off line for just a little bit more . . . |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
First, Dee and I appreciate the outpouring of good wishes
for her well being. We've had a lot of messages both on and
off the list . . . unfortunately too many to acknowledge
individually right now. Just wanted everyone to know that
your friendship is a much valued feature in our lives.
Dee is over the hump. She's getting out of bed largely
unassisted and has been able to shed about half the
auxiliary plumbing (it takes a checklist to run the
mission from bed to bathroom to make sure everything
gets put back in the right places!).
Her tummy isn't ready to go back to work as the major
source of nutrition processing so her stay may run out
a day longer than originally anticipated but in any case,
she is feeling MUCH better.
I'm just about completely adjusted to being a "third shift"
person . . . just about the time I get that smoothed out
I get to shift back! I've been watching some of the threads
and gratified at the willingness of folks to work down
to the simple ideas that underlie EVERY solution. Be
back on line this weekend.
Again, thank you all . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Off line for just a little bit more . . . |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: N823ms@aol.com
In a message dated 01/24/2003 1:46:55 PM Central Standard Time,
bob.nuckolls@cox.net writes:
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>
Bob:
Glade to hear that Dee is on the road of recovery. My father-in-law is
still in the hospital recovering from a lung cancer operation. My prayers are
with you. I want you to know if you cannot make the Nashville seminar we can
all reschedule. Keep your priorities right.
God Bless,
Ed Silvanic
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis O'Connor" <doconnor@chartermi.net>
Slip of the fingers... But you got the idea...
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: GPS
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> "The TC in the Garmin 196 works by rapidly measuring the change in
> heading......"
>
> Perhaps I'm too old for this, but Heading seems to me to be the direction
of
> the aircraft's nose. As you say, GPS cannot detect this. Therefore , GPS
> provides Track Made Good or Ground Track and its changes only.
> Ferg
> Europa A064
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-6A Wiring Diagram - Mac Friendly |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jack Haviland <jgh@iavbbs.com>
A Mac friendly day/night VFR RV-6A wiring diagram (based on many of
Bob's concepts but using a key switch), is posted at <
http://iavbbs.com/jgh/jghplane.htm>. It was done using Appleworks and
the accompanying instrument panel layout was done in Photoshop but jpeg
files are also posted and you can view the diagram and panel without
using an Apple computer. Constructive criticism would be appreciated
before I order the remainder of the wiring materials and my wife would
like to know if the site does not work properly.
Jack
RV-6A
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| Subject: | Wing tip strobes. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Rob - the RV9 wing tip is wider at the back than the front. Therefore the
white light in the combined unit will not be seen from directly behind. I
have gone for lights in the tips like the blue and yellow RV9 demonstrator
and have finally decided to order the horribly expensive combined
strobe/tail from Wheeln.
Regards, Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob W M
Shipley
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Wing tip strobes.
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley"
<Rob@RobsGlass.com>
I'm still debating the best way of arranging my lighting. Has anyone tried
the combination postion/strobe/tail lights, (Whelen A600PG/PR)? This seems
the simplest way to provide the lighting but I'm not quite convinced as to
the ease of mounting these to an RV wing tip to give the necessary coverage
and also wonder about the vulnerability issues.
Your thoughts please gentlemen.
Fly safe
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
RV9A N919RV Fuselage.
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| Subject: | Wing tip strobes. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Loram <johnl@loram.org>
You might look at the Aeroflash ( http://www.aeroflash.com) units in the A/C
Spruce catalog. Aeroflash has units very similar to the Whelen units at 1/2
- 2/3s the price.
-john-
john@loram.org
www.loram.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sampson [mailto:SSampson.SLN21@london.edu]
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Wing tip strobes.
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson"
<SSampson.SLN21@london.edu>
Rob - the RV9 wing tip is wider at the back than the front. Therefore the
white light in the combined unit will not be seen from directly behind. I
have gone for lights in the tips like the blue and yellow RV9 demonstrator
and have finally decided to order the horribly expensive combined
strobe/tail from Wheeln.
Regards, Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob W M
Shipley
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Wing tip strobes.
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley"
<Rob@RobsGlass.com>
I'm still debating the best way of arranging my lighting. Has anyone tried
the combination postion/strobe/tail lights, (Whelen A600PG/PR)? This seems
the simplest way to provide the lighting but I'm not quite convinced as to
the ease of mounting these to an RV wing tip to give the necessary coverage
and also wonder about the vulnerability issues.
Your thoughts please gentlemen.
Fly safe
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
RV9A N919RV Fuselage.
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| Subject: | Wing tip strobes |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
I appreciate the reply Bill,
I was planning on making small fibreglass mounts to fit the strobes to the existing
wingtips. Any other thoughts on how to mount these that would eliminate
this would be HIGHLY appreciated.
Rob
Rob W M Shipley
RV9A N919RV Fuselage.
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Billie Lamb" <N254BL@cfl.rr.com>
Makes the most sense to me. That's what I'm going to use. Tail is mounted
but haven't built the wingtips yet. Still working on design but I see no
more problem with these than any other. Have you considered building your
own wingtips? Yes I know, there's that yucky fiberglass to work with.
Bill Lamb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob W M Shipley" <Rob@RobsGlass.com>
> I'm still debating the best way of arranging my lighting. Has anyone
tried the combination postion/strobe/tail lights, (Whelen A600PG/PR)? This
seems the simplest way to provide the lighting but I'm not quite convinced
as to the ease of mounting these to an RV wing tip to give the necessary
coverage and also wonder about the vulnerability issues.
> Your thoughts please gentlemen.
> Fly safe
> Rob
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