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1. 04:53 AM - PS Engineering Reply (PSENGINE@aol.com)
2. 05:00 AM - Re: Mic wiring (PSENGINE@aol.com)
3. 05:05 AM - Re: Mic Wiring (PSENGINE@aol.com)
4. 05:10 AM - Re: Mic Wiring (PSENGINE@aol.com)
5. 06:24 AM - BundleDeratingFactor (DAVID REEL)
6. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: Mic wiring (Benford2@aol.com)
7. 06:59 AM - Re: Z-14 Revision - Crossfeed Switch (John Schroeder)
8. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Mic wiring (QuickShot) (Dawson, Bill)
9. 08:33 AM - Marking wires made easier (Sam Hoskins)
10. 08:53 AM - Quick Shot #2 (Dawson, Bill)
11. 08:59 AM - Re: Marking wires made easier (John Rourke)
12. 10:02 AM - Re: Marking wires made easier (Billie Lamb)
13. 10:05 AM - There it is (BAKEROCB@aol.com)
14. 11:09 AM - Re: Marking wires made easier (John Rourke)
15. 11:18 AM - Re: Marking wires made easier ()
16. 11:39 AM - Re: Mic wiring (David Aronson)
17. 12:13 PM - Re: Marking wires made easier (Shannon Knoepflein)
18. 12:45 PM - RG400 (Shannon Knoepflein)
19. 12:51 PM - What I did for lables (Ron)
20. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: Marking wires made easier (John Schroeder)
21. 01:06 PM - Re: RG400 (Dean Wiegand)
22. 01:11 PM - Re: Marking wires made easier (kc)
23. 01:36 PM - Re: Marking wires made easier (Sam Hoskins)
24. 01:36 PM - Mounting Hardware for Panel Units (BobsV35B@aol.com)
25. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: Marking wires made easier (Shannon Knoepflein)
26. 01:47 PM - Re: RG400 (Shannon Knoepflein)
27. 01:55 PM - Re: Marking wires made easier (John Rourke)
28. 02:03 PM - udated version of Z-14 . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
29. 02:11 PM - Re: RG400 (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
30. 02:11 PM - Re: Mounting Hardware for Panel Units (Dean Wiegand)
31. 02:15 PM - Re: Marking wires made easier (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
32. 02:38 PM - Re: Mounting Hardware for Panel Units (BobsV35B@aol.com)
33. 02:38 PM - Re: Marking wires made easier (Sam Hoskins)
34. 02:58 PM - Van's ammeter & E-Bus (Richard Dudley)
35. 03:07 PM - Re: Marking wires made easier (LRE2@aol.com)
36. 03:09 PM - Re: Marking wires made easier (Bruce Gray)
37. 03:54 PM - Stereo Headsets (Jim Bean)
38. 04:41 PM - Re: PTT Wiring (Don Boardman)
39. 04:50 PM - Re: Marking wires made easier (Ron Triano)
40. 05:04 PM - Re: Marking wires made easier (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
41. 05:35 PM - Re: Marking wires made easier (Sam Hoskins)
42. 07:30 PM - Electric DG with heading bug (PeterHunt1@aol.com)
43. 07:41 PM - Re: parallel resistor for LED used with LR-3? (czechsix@juno.com)
44. 08:37 PM - Re: Mic Wiring [PS Eng is ok] (Rob Logan)
45. 08:44 PM - Re: Marking wires made easier (TSaccio@aol.com)
46. 09:09 PM - Re: Marking wires made easier (Rob Logan)
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| Subject: | PS Engineering Reply |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PSENGINE@aol.com
Dear Bob:
First, I want to thank you very much for you alerting to me to this bulletin
board. As I mentioned earlier, if I don't know about an issue (or issues in
this case) I can't do anything about it, and sometimes, I can't.
By reading over this bulletin board, I can see Bob that you do a wonderful
service for the pilots who are building their own aircraft, you should be,
and probably are often, commended for that.
Anyway, I had sent this to you earlier, but I thought I would post this on
the aeroelectric-list myself, so I don't have to bother you any more about
this.
So, this is in reply to your last email:
You wrote:
If one interprets these words literally, then are there warranty issues that
are affected by improper wiring? What kinds of errors in wiring would produce
a situation in your product that falls under misuse, abuse or neglect? How
does selling a black box sans harness open you up to any more risk than if
you sold it without a harness?
Response:
It's pretty hard to break our intercoms, but it can be done. One way is by
powering the wrong pins.
Here at PS Engineering, warranty is not only hardware, but it's the support
of the product once it's installed.
When we do get calls indicating the intercom isn't working correctly, you can
imagine the time spent in helping our customers. When we do get these calls,
after asking ask a few questions about the harness they have made, the vast
majority of problems are solved through manipulation of the harness.
Another very important point about our warranty, our Pro-Support program
really doesn't have any peers, in my opinion, in the industry. It is
described in detail in our warranty statement. For an example, if our
customer has a problem with our unit, (of course, using a PSE or PSE dealer's
harness), we would send out that same day, overnight with morning delivery
(at our cost) a replacement unit. This has been our policy for the last 8+
years. But if we had to do this for installations that we had no control over
the harness, well you can see how our Pro-Support program would quickly
become overwhelming in expense. And I am proud to say our Pro-Support program
is alive and well!
So, it's not just boxes we warrant, we support the system and the customer to
extremes.
You wrote:
If it is your corporate position that the intercom is sold to the OBAM
industry only as a complete kit with harness,
then it should be advertised as such with the total price of the product and
a list of customers to whom special
pricing applies clearly stated in the catalog.
Response:
The reason we don't sell our intercoms with harnesses is because as you know,
no two aircraft or pilots are the same. That's the beauty of our panel
mounted systems, they can install the headset jacks, music jacks, telephone
jacks where it is best for them. This is why you will find that there is a
wire harness worksheet button on each of product's web page. They are called
"Custom Wire Harness Worksheets."
The bait and switch comment, I take exception this statement. Please visit
our web site at <A HREF"www.ps-engineering.com">www.ps-engineering.com. I ask you
to please download any item
you'd like. You will see in all of our literature, installation manuals, data
sheets, and warranty statements that we make a disclaimer to the effect "NO
WARRANTY UNLESS INSTALLED BY AN AUTHORIZED PS ENGINEERING DEALER." While
admittedly that doesn't specifically call out the details for homebuilders,
it should clearly get the message out that special consideration should be
made when it comes to the subject of warranty.
To accommodate the homebuilders, we started offering the harnesses as a
service in 1998. Now they can have access to our Pro-Support program too.
By the way Bob, since 1990, our fixed repair fee for our panel mount
intercoms is $29.95.
You wrote:
That every owner built and maintained aircraft customer who approaches PS
Engineering for information and possible purchase of products is
automatically considered substandard in terms of fabrication and installation
skills.
Response:
Gosh Bob, I don't know why you have taken our warranty policy and assumed we
would treat our customers with disrespect. :(=A0
If you were ever to give us a call and tell us you are thinking about
building your harness, we would not "automatically consider it
sub-standard...., " and treat you with disrespect. However, we would inform
you of our warranty policy. If at that time you elect not to purchase our
intercom, we would certainly respect your decision, there are a lot of other
alternatives. But in the long run, what ever that decision would be, it would
probably be the right one for both parties.
But to assume we treat our customers with disrespect is wrong. We know who
pays the bills at PS Engineering, and besides, we are very nice people!=A0 :)=A0
Further proof of this is that it is widely known that we are a great company
to do business with.
My closing statement is this, the vast majority of our business is with
certified aircraft, but we also want to provide our products to the
homebuilder. It has been my mission for the last 18+ years, to build the best
audio control systems possible and sell them at a reasonable price yet still
make enough profit to grow the business, thus giving us the opportunity to
develop new and innovative products. I take great pride that our audio
control products available to all types of aircraft owners, from homebuilt to
warbirds and everything in between.
I thought our warranty policy was clear and is well publicized. We offer our
harness building service to allow homebuilders the opportunity to purchase
our products through Trade A Plane and get our Pro-Support warranty.
Something that the big three BIG avionics manufacturers don't do.
I also will tell you that I certainly don't have all of the answers! I as
well as my team are always listening. In fact, that is how we have gotten
most of our ideas from, our customers! And I have taken your comments to
heart.
Thanks once again for the opportunity to respond.
Mark Scheuer
PS Engineering, Inc.
<A HREF"www.ps-engineering.com">www.ps-engineering.com
mscheuer@ps-engineering.com
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PSENGINE@aol.com
Dear Ben:
You wrote:
=A0 No where in any of their literature does it say their stuff HAS to be
>installed by a approved shop to mantain warranty. Only after the sale does
>this come up. Here in Wyoming bait and switch is illegal, We don't call the
>BBB just the BB. BB bear bait.<g>.=A0=A0 I can assure ya, if mine is defective
>or does not work as advertised PS Engineering will wish they they never
heard
>of me. If word of mouth can sink a ship these guys better put on theit
>lifejackets. Ben Haas
Your state that "No where in any of their literature does it say their stuff
HAS to be installed by a approved shop to maintain warranty" is wrong.
ALL of our sales literature and installation manuals clearly states this.
Can you please supply me with any PS Engineering Sales Literature or
Installation Manual that does NOT state something to the effect "One year
Pro-Support warranty program when installed by authorized PS Engineering
dealer"?
You view all of our data sheets and manuals by visiting <A HREF"www.ps-engineering.com">
www.ps-engineering.com
I am far from perfect, and if you have a piece of PS Engineering sales
literature that does not state this, well then I am in big big trouble, and
will make amends. But if you can't supply this document, I would appreciate
knowing that too.
Also, you mentioned that you paid $235 for the four place PM1000II harness,
our published price on that is part number 14103 and lists at $189. Let me
know if there was an error on your invoice, I can certainly look that up and
report back to you.
I look forward to hearing from you. Please believe me when I say that my
number one goal is to do everything in my power to have you as a satisfied
customer, not because of your threats, but because that's what we do.
Mark Scheuer
PS Engineering, Inc.
<A HREF"www.ps-engineering.com">www.ps-engineering.com
mscheuer@ps-engineering.com
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PSENGINE@aol.com
Ben Hass indicated that I am a LIAR.
Fact is, I'm not.
The issue was whether I told Ben that he had to use shielded wire for the PTT
circuit. As per our drawing, and the answer is yes. I did not tell him he
needed to use shielded cable for the wire going to the PTT switch on the
yoke.
That would be impractical because the wire going to the yoke must be
flexible. Zeflel isn't. There is special curly cord that should be used
there.
I apologize for this confusion, it certainly wasn't my intent.
Mark Scheuer
PS Engineering, Inc.
<A HREF="www.ps-engineering.com">www.ps-engineering.com
mscheuer@ps-engineering.com
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PSENGINE@aol.com
Dear Mike:
You wrote:
>When I got the harness, I was disgusted with the workmanship...
I am very sorry that you had a harness that was made poorly. I am glad to
hear that we offered to replace it, though, and wish you would have taken us
up on that, then you would have seen how we would have taken responsibility
for it. And there wouldn't have been any costs associated with the
replacement at all.
I am glad to hear that it was an easy task to fix the problems.
Even though we an outside shop build the harness, PS Engineering is
completely responsible for it's quality. No excuses here.
I will be performing a QIP on Monday to make sure that if we get an
opportunity to build another harness, that it will meet the quality that we
expect from our own employees.
Sincerely,
Mark Scheuer
PS Engineering, Inc.
<A HREF="www.ps-engineering.com">www.ps-engineering.com
mscheuer@ps-engineering.com
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| Subject: | BundleDeratingFactor |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" <dreel@cox.net>
I'm having fun calculating the wire temperture rise using the methods of AC43-13
but don't know how to employ Figure 11-5 on page 11-31. For the right wing,
I'm planning one 14awg landing light, one 18awg position light, and one 3 conductor
18awg shielded strobe wire, all three to be laid loosely inside the 3/4"
plastic conduit Van sells. But I know a bundle derating factor of three can't
be right because the wires aren't bundled closely together, the shielded wire
actually bundles three wires, and the conduit restricts air circulation pretty
severely because it's about 10' long. Is there a way to estimate the effects
of these different factors, obtain an 'effective' number of wires in the bundle,
and use the published derating curves which I assume apply to individual
wires tie wrapped closely together in free air?
Dave Reel, dreel@cox.net, RV8A
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 2/16/2003 6:01:51 AM Mountain Standard Time,
PSENGINE@aol.com writes:
>
>
> Also, you mentioned that you paid $235 for the four place PM1000II harness,
> our published price on that is part number 14103 and lists at $189. Let me
> know if there was an error on your invoice, I can certainly look that up
> and
> report back to you.
>
HI Mark, It is nice you have found this list that pertains to the people whom
you are selling products to. I would figure that after being in business as
long as you have you would monitor lists like this for product quality
control and user feedback. As for my situation. I did call ya and ask for a
wiring diagram. I would like you to tell us all why your product was the only
one of all my electronics I bought for my homebuilt that did NOT come with a
wiring diagram with the unit? As for your harness price here is what
transpired. I called and you told me to go to your web site, find the section
" harness worksheet". You were correct in that every plane is different and
this worksheet is generic. I am picky in how I do things and all my wires are
in rigid plastic tubing. There are two reasons for this. One , its for
chafing protection and the other is if I ever want to add to my plane
additional stuff all I need to do is pull more conductor through the chase.
Since I do this I have longer runs to areas in my fuselage then normal. I
needed 5 more feet on the L1 run, 6 more feet on the L2 run,2 more feet on
both the LP and LC run.
Your price for these additions were $3.00 a foot for wire that costs .30-.38
cents a foot wholesale. That adds up to way more then 189.00 for your BASIC
harness. You stated in an earlier post that that building harnesses was not
a money maker for ya. At 800% markup on wires I would love to hear your idea
of what a money maker is?
You are pretty good at spin control judging by your answers to my comments
but the question still remains.. If I wire the PS 1000 ll according to your
wiring drawings which were NOT included in the box your product came in do I
have a warranty of your intercom????? That all said I do have to admit if
the PS 1000 ll works as advertised I will be VERY pleased and you do have a
great website. Here is the link for all the readers of this post to see the
harness worksheet.
http://www.ps-engineering.com/psengine/pdf/Harness/11922har.pdf.
Ben Haas. N801BH.
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"Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls@aeroelectric.com>
| Subject: | Re: Z-14 Revision - Crossfeed Switch |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Bob:
Other folks may be interested in this, so I'm passing it to the AeroElectric
forum.
> (Re the crossfeed warning light): You are pulling the lower coil terminal
> of the crossfeed contactor to ground to energize the coil. You want a light
> to come on at the same time but don't want to run a wire
> all the way in from the upper (+) side of the contactor
> coil . . . you'd have to put a fuse in the line at the
> upper coil terminal.
>
> So, we use a handy source of (+) voltage right on the switch
> where it comes off the main bus for starter circuit.
>
On the new diagram of the switch, where would I install a resistor or resistors
to use a LED for the crossfeed warning?
I can add the LED option for the light as a callout on the corrected Z-14 (S700-
2-50) and send it back to you if you wish. Save some time!
Thanks,
John
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| Subject: | Re: Mic wiring (QuickShot) |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dawson, Bill" <Bill.Dawson@pepperdine.edu>
Well, here I go helping people to vois their warranty. There is a book
called Quick Shot. It is a avionics installation reference manual for most
intercoms, audiopanels, navcom, cam, ADF, GPS, HSI, Loran, Glideslope,
transponder, etc.
These are pinouts of connectors, not circuit drawings. Cost for binder and
pages is $60.
Quick Shot
Edmo Distributors Inc.
800 235-3300
OR
QS products
Lakeland Fl 33811
941 616-6187
http://home1.gte.net/qsprod
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| Subject: | Marking wires made easier |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins" <shoskins@globaleyes.net>
Hello all, I just wanted to pass along a nifty tool I found for marking wires.
It's called the DYMO LETRA. You can pick them up at Wal-Mart for 20 bucks.
(They make their money back on the refills).
In the AEC book, Bob suggests using a laser printer for markings. This is easier
yet. It prints a pretty small font and the tapes are adhesive backed. Print
your label, trim it to fit the wire, stick it on, slip on the clear heat shrink
and you're done. Very cool!
Read about it here: http://www.aarp.org/computers-gadgets/Articles/a2002-06-20-dymo
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dawson, Bill" <Bill.Dawson@pepperdine.edu>
Oops, had an outdated link. Here are some good ones.
http://www.qsproducts.com/
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/Aircraft/Books/QuickShot.html
http://qsproducts.com/how2get1.html
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Marking wires made easier |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
You're right, I'll bet they lose money on the unit, but make it up on
the cartridges... but after I bought one of those Dymos at Target, I
looked more closely, and returned it and got the Brother instead (model
PT65) - the Brother has 5 type sizes and 8 fonts (instead of the Dymo's
4 and 2), but the main thing is, for the same price ($8) the tapes are
twice as long (26') as the Dymo (13') (casio too I think). The PT65
costs $10 more, but you make that up on the next two rolls... and once
you get one, you start finding all kinds of uses for it!
I forget who mentioned this first, but it was one of these lists that
suggested these things for labeling wires a few months ago - great idea!
-John R.
Sam Hoskins wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins" <shoskins@globaleyes.net>
>
> Hello all, I just wanted to pass along a nifty tool I found for marking wires.
It's called the DYMO LETRA. You can pick them up at Wal-Mart for 20 bucks.
(They make their money back on the refills).
>
> In the AEC book, Bob suggests using a laser printer for markings. This is easier
yet. It prints a pretty small font and the tapes are adhesive backed. Print
your label, trim it to fit the wire, stick it on, slip on the clear heat
shrink and you're done. Very cool!
>
> Read about it here: http://www.aarp.org/computers-gadgets/Articles/a2002-06-20-dymo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Marking wires made easier |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Billie Lamb" <N254BL@cfl.rr.com>
The Brother PT65 is on sale for 19.95 for this week (Staples ad in Ocala,
Fl) but a two pack of their tape is 31.95. Sounds a bit expensive compared
to the file labels I have for my printer which I can use to taylor the fonts
any way I please.
I'm sure the labelmaker has other advantages though. Does anyone, who owns
one, know if any of the tapes look nice enough to label my switches,
breakers, and lights on my sub-panel. I really don't like the thought of
paying mega bucks for professional labeling of everything on the panel.
Those ready made peel off sheets don't always have just what you need and
once stuck down are pretty much there to stay. If the whole labeling job
could be done in one strip it would all line up much nicer.
Bill Lamb
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Rourke" <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke
<jrourke@allied-computer.com>
>
> You're right, I'll bet they lose money on the unit, but make it up on
> the cartridges... but after I bought one of those Dymos at Target, I
> looked more closely, and returned it and got the Brother instead (model
> PT65) - the Brother has 5 type sizes and 8 fonts (instead of the Dymo's
> 4 and 2), but the main thing is, for the same price ($8) the tapes are
> twice as long (26') as the Dymo (13') (casio too I think). The PT65
> costs $10 more, but you make that up on the next two rolls... and once
> you get one, you start finding all kinds of uses for it!
>
> I forget who mentioned this first, but it was one of these lists that
> suggested these things for labeling wires a few months ago - great idea!
>
> -John R.
>
>
> Sam Hoskins wrote:
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins"
<shoskins@globaleyes.net>
> >
> > Hello all, I just wanted to pass along a nifty tool I found for marking
wires. It's called the DYMO LETRA. You can pick them up at Wal-Mart for 20
bucks. (They make their money back on the refills).
> >
> > In the AEC book, Bob suggests using a laser printer for markings. This
is easier yet. It prints a pretty small font and the tapes are adhesive
backed. Print your label, trim it to fit the wire, stick it on, slip on the
clear heat shrink and you're done. Very cool!
> >
> > Read about it here:
http://www.aarp.org/computers-gadgets/Articles/a2002-06-20-dymo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BAKEROCB@aol.com
In a message dated 02/16/2003 2:56:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
aeroelectric-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
<< I will suggest that our businesses will benefit
far more from concise but helpful explanation to
customers followed up with products of good
performance and value than from the exercise
of arbitrary and capricious "policy". Bob Nuckolls >>
And I will suggest that every company in our country (particularly the ones
serving the amateur built experimental aircraft community) ought to adopt
that as their mission statement, vision, SOP, or anything else that they want
to call it. It should be posted where the CEO can read it every day without
fail.
'OC' Baker, Builder of KIS TR-1 #116 4/14/97 - ?/?/?
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| Subject: | Re: Marking wires made easier |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
Hmm... I don't know what that's a two-pack of, but I just checked
Staples on-line, and tapes are $7.55
<http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=462478&bcFlag=True&bcSCatId=3&bcSCatName=Technology&bcCatId=17&bcCatName=Office+Machines+Supplies&bcDeptId=1449&bcDeptName=Label+Maker+Tapes+and+Labels&bcClassId=140557&bcClassName=+Electronic+Label+Maker+Tapes>
Incidentally, I couldn't find it online for $19.99, maybe that's an
in-store deal only.
As for labeling your panel, that's an interesting idea... I'd go with
black on clear tape, laminated... and checking on the Brother line-up,
it appears you'd have to use either TZ, TX or TC tape - so the PT65
couldn't use it (the 65 only does M Metallic tape - see
<http://www.brother.com/usa/label/whattape/pt_whattape1.html#>)
I think the most economical way of getting the black (or white) on
clear, would be the PT1200, at $49 or so... Hm... I need to check out
those laminated tapes, that might be just the ticket... (but I'd have to
get another labeler apparently) But, that might be better for wiring
too, wouldn't need to put the clear heat-shrink on top... and if you
want to change a label, you could cut off the old label, and make new
ones if necessary (hopefully not)
-John R.
Billie Lamb wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Billie Lamb" <N254BL@cfl.rr.com>
>
> The Brother PT65 is on sale for 19.95 for this week (Staples ad in Ocala,
> Fl) but a two pack of their tape is 31.95. Sounds a bit expensive compared
> to the file labels I have for my printer which I can use to taylor the fonts
> any way I please.
> I'm sure the labelmaker has other advantages though. Does anyone, who owns
> one, know if any of the tapes look nice enough to label my switches,
> breakers, and lights on my sub-panel. I really don't like the thought of
> paying mega bucks for professional labeling of everything on the panel.
> Those ready made peel off sheets don't always have just what you need and
> once stuck down are pretty much there to stay. If the whole labeling job
> could be done in one strip it would all line up much nicer.
>
> Bill Lamb
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Rourke" <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
>
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke
>
> <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
>
>>You're right, I'll bet they lose money on the unit, but make it up on
>>the cartridges... but after I bought one of those Dymos at Target, I
>>looked more closely, and returned it and got the Brother instead (model
>>PT65) - the Brother has 5 type sizes and 8 fonts (instead of the Dymo's
>>4 and 2), but the main thing is, for the same price ($8) the tapes are
>>twice as long (26') as the Dymo (13') (casio too I think). The PT65
>>costs $10 more, but you make that up on the next two rolls... and once
>>you get one, you start finding all kinds of uses for it!
>>
>>I forget who mentioned this first, but it was one of these lists that
>>suggested these things for labeling wires a few months ago - great idea!
>>
>>-John R.
>>
>>
>>Sam Hoskins wrote:
>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins"
>>
> <shoskins@globaleyes.net>
>
>>>Hello all, I just wanted to pass along a nifty tool I found for marking
>>
> wires. It's called the DYMO LETRA. You can pick them up at Wal-Mart for 20
> bucks. (They make their money back on the refills).
>
>>>In the AEC book, Bob suggests using a laser printer for markings. This
>>
> is easier yet. It prints a pretty small font and the tapes are adhesive
> backed. Print your label, trim it to fit the wire, stick it on, slip on the
> clear heat shrink and you're done. Very cool!
>
>>>Read about it here:
>>
> http://www.aarp.org/computers-gadgets/Articles/a2002-06-20-dymo
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Marking wires made easier |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <315@cox.net>
Try this:
http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/PromotionalBundle.asp?Bundle_Id=436156
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Rourke" <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke
<jrourke@allied-computer.com>
>
> Hmm... I don't know what that's a two-pack of, but I just checked
> Staples on-line, and tapes are $7.55
>
<http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=462478&bcFlagTrue&bcSCatId=3&bcSCatName=Technology&bcCatId=17&bcCatName=Office+Machines+S
upplies&bcDeptId=1449&bcDeptName=Label+Maker+Tapes+and+Labels&bcClassId=1405
57&bcClassName=+Electronic+Label+Maker+Tapes>
>
> Incidentally, I couldn't find it online for $19.99, maybe that's an
> in-store deal only.
>
> As for labeling your panel, that's an interesting idea... I'd go with
> black on clear tape, laminated... and checking on the Brother line-up,
> it appears you'd have to use either TZ, TX or TC tape - so the PT65
> couldn't use it (the 65 only does M Metallic tape - see
> <http://www.brother.com/usa/label/whattape/pt_whattape1.html#>)
>
> I think the most economical way of getting the black (or white) on
> clear, would be the PT1200, at $49 or so... Hm... I need to check out
> those laminated tapes, that might be just the ticket... (but I'd have to
> get another labeler apparently) But, that might be better for wiring
> too, wouldn't need to put the clear heat-shrink on top... and if you
> want to change a label, you could cut off the old label, and make new
> ones if necessary (hopefully not)
>
> -John R.
>
>
> Billie Lamb wrote:
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Billie Lamb"
<N254BL@cfl.rr.com>
> >
> > The Brother PT65 is on sale for 19.95 for this week (Staples ad in
Ocala,
> > Fl) but a two pack of their tape is 31.95. Sounds a bit expensive
compared
> > to the file labels I have for my printer which I can use to taylor the
fonts
> > any way I please.
> > I'm sure the labelmaker has other advantages though. Does anyone, who
owns
> > one, know if any of the tapes look nice enough to label my switches,
> > breakers, and lights on my sub-panel. I really don't like the thought of
> > paying mega bucks for professional labeling of everything on the panel.
> > Those ready made peel off sheets don't always have just what you need
and
> > once stuck down are pretty much there to stay. If the whole labeling job
> > could be done in one strip it would all line up much nicer.
> >
> > Bill Lamb
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Rourke" <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
> > To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke
> >
> > <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
> >
> >>You're right, I'll bet they lose money on the unit, but make it up on
> >>the cartridges... but after I bought one of those Dymos at Target, I
> >>looked more closely, and returned it and got the Brother instead (model
> >>PT65) - the Brother has 5 type sizes and 8 fonts (instead of the Dymo's
> >>4 and 2), but the main thing is, for the same price ($8) the tapes are
> >>twice as long (26') as the Dymo (13') (casio too I think). The PT65
> >>costs $10 more, but you make that up on the next two rolls... and once
> >>you get one, you start finding all kinds of uses for it!
> >>
> >>I forget who mentioned this first, but it was one of these lists that
> >>suggested these things for labeling wires a few months ago - great idea!
> >>
> >>-John R.
> >>
> >>
> >>Sam Hoskins wrote:
> >>
> >>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins"
> >>
> > <shoskins@globaleyes.net>
> >
> >>>Hello all, I just wanted to pass along a nifty tool I found for
marking
> >>
> > wires. It's called the DYMO LETRA. You can pick them up at Wal-Mart
for 20
> > bucks. (They make their money back on the refills).
> >
> >>>In the AEC book, Bob suggests using a laser printer for markings. This
> >>
> > is easier yet. It prints a pretty small font and the tapes are adhesive
> > backed. Print your label, trim it to fit the wire, stick it on, slip on
the
> > clear heat shrink and you're done. Very cool!
> >
> >>>Read about it here:
> >>
> > http://www.aarp.org/computers-gadgets/Articles/a2002-06-20-dymo
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: David Aronson <aronsond@pacbell.net>
Listers:
I purchased, harnesses and installed a PMA4000. It is a great device.
I will talk with them, in the event that it breaks, and see about
repairs, probably long after the warrantee anyway.
Dave Aronson
Thanks Bob for all your kind help!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dawson, Bill
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Mic wiring
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dawson, Bill"
<Bill.Dawson@pepperdine.edu>
I won't be buying one from them again.
>
>Bill
> Sorry to hear that. I've forwarded a copy of your
> note to PS Engineering.
>Bob . . .
Don't be sorry. I don't support companies that don't support me. Too
bad
too, because I like their equipment.
Bill
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| Subject: | Marking wires made easier |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
If the PT1200 is the bigger unit from Dyna with the bigger keyboard, I
highly recommend it. I bought one of these unit last weekend when I was
pulling the 3000+ feet of wire in my "cabin class" (LOL) Lancair Legacy,
and I found it incredible useful. Stupid me left the 500+ dollar
borrowed KROY labeler at home in Kentucky while I went to Vegas to work
on wiring, so the big 40 dollar Dyna from Wal-mart was a lifesaver. It
took me 2 tapes (13' each) to wire up almost everything and label it on
both ends. The 2 line type worked out well. I initially tried wrapping
the wires length-ways with the labels, but settled on crossways sticking
the label back upon it self. This worked well. I'll post a link when I
get the pictures up.
My plane honestly does have over 3000' of wire in it, and with a little
pre-planning, conduits in place for most of the wires, and the labeler,
I was able to do about 75% of the wiring in 3 days. My panel has 5
37-pin AMP black plugs that I had to wire, 2 28 pin plugs to the
firewall for engine sensors, 2 4 pin plugs to the voltage regulators,
and 1 16 pin to the power grid on the firewall. Advance planning and
the labeler to keep my sanity helped a lot.
Also, the tools that Bob sells through B&C work great also. I used them
all to do things from the AMP male and female pins (both blue and yellow
size), MOLEX style pins, D-sub pins for the DB9's and high density AMPS,
to RG400 coax. Worked great. With the 4 or 5 sets of tools on his
site, there was nothing I couldn't terminate.
Bob, any hints on extracting those AMP pins? What about a good tool for
doing it? Lancair sent me the wrong tool, and the one I scrounged up,
although it looked great and was the right tool, still left me wondering
how I got each and every one out when it actually came out. I never
developed a method to getting them out, which was very frustrating.
Luckily, I only made the mistake of forgetting the plug cover and
heatshrink on the first 16 pin plug I did at the wing roots, so I only
had 16 to remove. Boy, I had a lot of trouble though, and never figured
out how I got any of them out. Any hints? Tool?
Thanks,
Shannon Knoepflein
Lancair Legacy
kycshann@kyol.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Rourke
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke
<jrourke@allied-computer.com>
Hmm... I don't know what that's a two-pack of, but I just checked
Staples on-line, and tapes are $7.55
<http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=462478&bcF
lag=True&bcSCatId=3&bcSCatName=Technology&bcCatId=17&bcCatName=Office+Ma
chines+Supplies&bcDeptId=1449&bcDeptName=Label+Maker+Tapes+and+Labels&bc
ClassId=140557&bcClassName=+Electronic+Label+Maker+Tapes>
Incidentally, I couldn't find it online for $19.99, maybe that's an
in-store deal only.
As for labeling your panel, that's an interesting idea... I'd go with
black on clear tape, laminated... and checking on the Brother line-up,
it appears you'd have to use either TZ, TX or TC tape - so the PT65
couldn't use it (the 65 only does M Metallic tape - see
<http://www.brother.com/usa/label/whattape/pt_whattape1.html#>)
I think the most economical way of getting the black (or white) on
clear, would be the PT1200, at $49 or so... Hm... I need to check out
those laminated tapes, that might be just the ticket... (but I'd have to
get another labeler apparently) But, that might be better for wiring
too, wouldn't need to put the clear heat-shrink on top... and if you
want to change a label, you could cut off the old label, and make new
ones if necessary (hopefully not)
-John R.
Billie Lamb wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Billie Lamb"
<N254BL@cfl.rr.com>
>
> The Brother PT65 is on sale for 19.95 for this week (Staples ad in
Ocala,
> Fl) but a two pack of their tape is 31.95. Sounds a bit expensive
compared
> to the file labels I have for my printer which I can use to taylor the
fonts
> any way I please.
> I'm sure the labelmaker has other advantages though. Does anyone, who
owns
> one, know if any of the tapes look nice enough to label my switches,
> breakers, and lights on my sub-panel. I really don't like the thought
of
> paying mega bucks for professional labeling of everything on the
panel.
> Those ready made peel off sheets don't always have just what you need
and
> once stuck down are pretty much there to stay. If the whole labeling
job
> could be done in one strip it would all line up much nicer.
>
> Bill Lamb
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Rourke" <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
>
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke
>
> <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
>
>>You're right, I'll bet they lose money on the unit, but make it up on
>>the cartridges... but after I bought one of those Dymos at Target, I
>>looked more closely, and returned it and got the Brother instead
(model
>>PT65) - the Brother has 5 type sizes and 8 fonts (instead of the
Dymo's
>>4 and 2), but the main thing is, for the same price ($8) the tapes are
>>twice as long (26') as the Dymo (13') (casio too I think). The PT65
>>costs $10 more, but you make that up on the next two rolls... and once
>>you get one, you start finding all kinds of uses for it!
>>
>>I forget who mentioned this first, but it was one of these lists that
>>suggested these things for labeling wires a few months ago - great
idea!
>>
>>-John R.
>>
>>
>>Sam Hoskins wrote:
>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins"
>>
> <shoskins@globaleyes.net>
>
>>>Hello all, I just wanted to pass along a nifty tool I found for
marking
>>
> wires. It's called the DYMO LETRA. You can pick them up at Wal-Mart
for 20
> bucks. (They make their money back on the refills).
>
>>>In the AEC book, Bob suggests using a laser printer for markings.
This
>>
> is easier yet. It prints a pretty small font and the tapes are
adhesive
> backed. Print your label, trim it to fit the wire, stick it on, slip
on the
> clear heat shrink and you're done. Very cool!
>
>>>Read about it here:
>>
> http://www.aarp.org/computers-gadgets/Articles/a2002-06-20-dymo
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
Bob, others,
Does anyone know the spec of attenuation in dB per foot for RG400 coax?
My Ryan TCAD systems wants to have 3dB of attenuation +/-0.5dB, so I
have to cut the coax to length accordingly. Currently, my coaxes are
about 12' long, but I cut them before I knew this. Anyone?
Shannon Knoepflein
Lancair Legacy
kycshann@kyol.net www.lancaironline.net/pix/shannon/
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| Subject: | What I did for lables |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ron <rondefly@pacbell.net>
I just printed out a whole page of lables, even some with a 2nd line. Then
put the cutout in a piece of shrink wrap tube.
Solves two problems: holds the wire rigid and you can describe even where
the wire will go.
Ron Triano
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Shannon Knoepflein
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
<kycshann@kyol.net>
If the PT1200 is the bigger unit from Dyna with the bigger keyboard, I
highly recommend it. I bought one of these unit last weekend when I was
pulling the 3000+ feet of wire in my "cabin class" (LOL) Lancair Legacy,
and I found it incredible useful. Stupid me left the 500+ dollar
borrowed KROY labeler at home in Kentucky while I went to Vegas to work
on wiring, so the big 40 dollar Dyna from Wal-mart was a lifesaver. It
took me 2 tapes (13' each) to wire up almost everything and label it on
both ends. The 2 line type worked out well. I initially tried wrapping
the wires length-ways with the labels, but settled on crossways sticking
the label back upon it self. This worked well. I'll post a link when I
get the pictures up.
My plane honestly does have over 3000' of wire in it, and with a little
pre-planning, conduits in place for most of the wires, and the labeler,
I was able to do about 75% of the wiring in 3 days. My panel has 5
37-pin AMP black plugs that I had to wire, 2 28 pin plugs to the
firewall for engine sensors, 2 4 pin plugs to the voltage regulators,
and 1 16 pin to the power grid on the firewall. Advance planning and
the labeler to keep my sanity helped a lot.
Also, the tools that Bob sells through B&C work great also. I used them
all to do things from the AMP male and female pins (both blue and yellow
size), MOLEX style pins, D-sub pins for the DB9's and high density AMPS,
to RG400 coax. Worked great. With the 4 or 5 sets of tools on his
site, there was nothing I couldn't terminate.
Bob, any hints on extracting those AMP pins? What about a good tool for
doing it? Lancair sent me the wrong tool, and the one I scrounged up,
although it looked great and was the right tool, still left me wondering
how I got each and every one out when it actually came out. I never
developed a method to getting them out, which was very frustrating.
Luckily, I only made the mistake of forgetting the plug cover and
heatshrink on the first 16 pin plug I did at the wing roots, so I only
had 16 to remove. Boy, I had a lot of trouble though, and never figured
out how I got any of them out. Any hints? Tool?
Thanks,
Shannon Knoepflein
Lancair Legacy
kycshann@kyol.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Rourke
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke
<jrourke@allied-computer.com>
Hmm... I don't know what that's a two-pack of, but I just checked
Staples on-line, and tapes are $7.55
<http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=462478&bcF
lag=True&bcSCatId=3&bcSCatName=Technology&bcCatId=17&bcCatName=Office+Ma
chines+Supplies&bcDeptId=1449&bcDeptName=Label+Maker+Tapes+and+Labels&bc
ClassId=140557&bcClassName=+Electronic+Label+Maker+Tapes>
Incidentally, I couldn't find it online for $19.99, maybe that's an
in-store deal only.
As for labeling your panel, that's an interesting idea... I'd go with
black on clear tape, laminated... and checking on the Brother line-up,
it appears you'd have to use either TZ, TX or TC tape - so the PT65
couldn't use it (the 65 only does M Metallic tape - see
<http://www.brother.com/usa/label/whattape/pt_whattape1.html#>)
I think the most economical way of getting the black (or white) on
clear, would be the PT1200, at $49 or so... Hm... I need to check out
those laminated tapes, that might be just the ticket... (but I'd have to
get another labeler apparently) But, that might be better for wiring
too, wouldn't need to put the clear heat-shrink on top... and if you
want to change a label, you could cut off the old label, and make new
ones if necessary (hopefully not)
-John R.
Billie Lamb wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Billie Lamb"
<N254BL@cfl.rr.com>
>
> The Brother PT65 is on sale for 19.95 for this week (Staples ad in
Ocala,
> Fl) but a two pack of their tape is 31.95. Sounds a bit expensive
compared
> to the file labels I have for my printer which I can use to taylor the
fonts
> any way I please.
> I'm sure the labelmaker has other advantages though. Does anyone, who
owns
> one, know if any of the tapes look nice enough to label my switches,
> breakers, and lights on my sub-panel. I really don't like the thought
of
> paying mega bucks for professional labeling of everything on the
panel.
> Those ready made peel off sheets don't always have just what you need
and
> once stuck down are pretty much there to stay. If the whole labeling
job
> could be done in one strip it would all line up much nicer.
>
> Bill Lamb
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Rourke" <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke
>
> <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
>
>>You're right, I'll bet they lose money on the unit, but make it up on
>>the cartridges... but after I bought one of those Dymos at Target, I
>>looked more closely, and returned it and got the Brother instead
(model
>>PT65) - the Brother has 5 type sizes and 8 fonts (instead of the
Dymo's
>>4 and 2), but the main thing is, for the same price ($8) the tapes are
>>twice as long (26') as the Dymo (13') (casio too I think). The PT65
>>costs $10 more, but you make that up on the next two rolls... and once
>>you get one, you start finding all kinds of uses for it!
>>
>>I forget who mentioned this first, but it was one of these lists that
>>suggested these things for labeling wires a few months ago - great
idea!
>>
>>-John R.
>>
>>
>>Sam Hoskins wrote:
>>
>>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins"
>>
> <shoskins@globaleyes.net>
>
>>>Hello all, I just wanted to pass along a nifty tool I found for
marking
>>
> wires. It's called the DYMO LETRA. You can pick them up at Wal-Mart
for 20
> bucks. (They make their money back on the refills).
>
>>>In the AEC book, Bob suggests using a laser printer for markings.
This
>>
> is easier yet. It prints a pretty small font and the tapes are
adhesive
> backed. Print your label, trim it to fit the wire, stick it on, slip
on the
> clear heat shrink and you're done. Very cool!
>
>>>Read about it here:
>>
> http://www.aarp.org/computers-gadgets/Articles/a2002-06-20-dymo
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder <jschroeder@perigee.net>
>If the PT1200 is the bigger unit from Dyna with the bigger keyboard, I
>highly recommend it.
Shannon -
The PT1200 is made by Brother. Is that the one you bought or did you buy a DYMO
model labeler?
John
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
Shannon,
here is a link to a chart that I found while searching
on "rg400 line loss"
http://home-2.worldonline.nl/~samsvl/cabloss.htm
hope it helps
Dean Wiegand
Sacramento CA USA
dwiegand@surewest.net
kit A259
www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of
Shannon Knoepflein
Subject: AeroElectric-List: RG400
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon
Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
Bob, others,
Does anyone know the spec of attenuation in dB per foot
for RG400 coax?
My Ryan TCAD systems wants to have 3dB of attenuation
+/-0.5dB, so I
have to cut the coax to length accordingly. Currently,
my coaxes are
about 12' long, but I cut them before I knew this.
Anyone?
Shannon Knoepflein
Lancair Legacy
kycshann@kyol.net www.lancaironline.net/pix/shannon/
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "kc" <samdacat@elp.rr.com>
Web sites shows a $10.00 instant rebate which gets you to the $19.99
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Rourke" <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke
<jrourke@allied-computer.com>
>
> Hmm... I don't know what that's a two-pack of, but I just checked
> Staples on-line, and tapes are $7.55
>
<http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=462478&bcFlagTrue&bcSCatId=3&bcSCatName=Technology&bcCatId=17&bcCatName=Office+Machines+S
upplies&bcDeptId=1449&bcDeptName=Label+Maker+Tapes+and+Labels&bcClassId=1405
57&bcClassName=+Electronic+Label+Maker+Tapes>
>
> Incidentally, I couldn't find it online for $19.99, maybe that's an
> in-store deal only.
>
> As for labeling your panel, that's an interesting idea... I'd go with
> black on clear tape, laminated... and checking on the Brother line-up,
> it appears you'd have to use either TZ, TX or TC tape - so the PT65
> couldn't use it (the 65 only does M Metallic tape - see
> <http://www.brother.com/usa/label/whattape/pt_whattape1.html#>)
>
> I think the most economical way of getting the black (or white) on
> clear, would be the PT1200, at $49 or so... Hm... I need to check out
> those laminated tapes, that might be just the ticket... (but I'd have to
> get another labeler apparently) But, that might be better for wiring
> too, wouldn't need to put the clear heat-shrink on top... and if you
> want to change a label, you could cut off the old label, and make new
> ones if necessary (hopefully not)
>
> -John R.
>
>
> Billie Lamb wrote:
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Billie Lamb"
<N254BL@cfl.rr.com>
> >
> > The Brother PT65 is on sale for 19.95 for this week (Staples ad in
Ocala,
> > Fl) but a two pack of their tape is 31.95. Sounds a bit expensive
compared
> > to the file labels I have for my printer which I can use to taylor the
fonts
> > any way I please.
> > I'm sure the labelmaker has other advantages though. Does anyone, who
owns
> > one, know if any of the tapes look nice enough to label my switches,
> > breakers, and lights on my sub-panel. I really don't like the thought of
> > paying mega bucks for professional labeling of everything on the panel.
> > Those ready made peel off sheets don't always have just what you need
and
> > once stuck down are pretty much there to stay. If the whole labeling job
> > could be done in one strip it would all line up much nicer.
> >
> > Bill Lamb
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Rourke" <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
> > To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke
> >
> > <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
> >
> >>You're right, I'll bet they lose money on the unit, but make it up on
> >>the cartridges... but after I bought one of those Dymos at Target, I
> >>looked more closely, and returned it and got the Brother instead (model
> >>PT65) - the Brother has 5 type sizes and 8 fonts (instead of the Dymo's
> >>4 and 2), but the main thing is, for the same price ($8) the tapes are
> >>twice as long (26') as the Dymo (13') (casio too I think). The PT65
> >>costs $10 more, but you make that up on the next two rolls... and once
> >>you get one, you start finding all kinds of uses for it!
> >>
> >>I forget who mentioned this first, but it was one of these lists that
> >>suggested these things for labeling wires a few months ago - great idea!
> >>
> >>-John R.
> >>
> >>
> >>Sam Hoskins wrote:
> >>
> >>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins"
> >>
> > <shoskins@globaleyes.net>
> >
> >>>Hello all, I just wanted to pass along a nifty tool I found for
marking
> >>
> > wires. It's called the DYMO LETRA. You can pick them up at Wal-Mart
for 20
> > bucks. (They make their money back on the refills).
> >
> >>>In the AEC book, Bob suggests using a laser printer for markings. This
> >>
> > is easier yet. It prints a pretty small font and the tapes are adhesive
> > backed. Print your label, trim it to fit the wire, stick it on, slip on
the
> > clear heat shrink and you're done. Very cool!
> >
> >>>Read about it here:
> >>
> > http://www.aarp.org/computers-gadgets/Articles/a2002-06-20-dymo
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins" <shoskins@globaleyes.net>
FWIW, I saw the DYMO LETRA at Wal-Mart this afternoon for $19.99. It comes
with one tape cartridge. Don't forget eBay when buying replacements.
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: "kc" <samdacat@elp.rr.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "kc" <samdacat@elp.rr.com>
>
> Web sites shows a $10.00 instant rebate which gets you to the $19.99
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Rourke" <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke
> <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
> >
> > Hmm... I don't know what that's a two-pack of, but I just checked
> > Staples on-line, and tapes are $7.55
> >
>
<http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=462478&bcFlagT
rue&bcSCatId=3&bcSCatName=Technology&bcCatId=17&bcCatName=Office+Machines+S
>
upplies&bcDeptId=1449&bcDeptName=Label+Maker+Tapes+and+Labels&bcClassId=1405
> 57&bcClassName=+Electronic+Label+Maker+Tapes>
> >
> > Incidentally, I couldn't find it online for $19.99, maybe that's an
> > in-store deal only.
> >
> > As for labeling your panel, that's an interesting idea... I'd go with
> > black on clear tape, laminated... and checking on the Brother line-up,
> > it appears you'd have to use either TZ, TX or TC tape - so the PT65
> > couldn't use it (the 65 only does M Metallic tape - see
> > <http://www.brother.com/usa/label/whattape/pt_whattape1.html#>)
> >
> > I think the most economical way of getting the black (or white) on
> > clear, would be the PT1200, at $49 or so... Hm... I need to check out
> > those laminated tapes, that might be just the ticket... (but I'd have to
> > get another labeler apparently) But, that might be better for wiring
> > too, wouldn't need to put the clear heat-shrink on top... and if you
> > want to change a label, you could cut off the old label, and make new
> > ones if necessary (hopefully not)
> >
> > -John R.
> >
> >
> > Billie Lamb wrote:
> > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Billie Lamb"
> <N254BL@cfl.rr.com>
> > >
> > > The Brother PT65 is on sale for 19.95 for this week (Staples ad in
> Ocala,
> > > Fl) but a two pack of their tape is 31.95. Sounds a bit expensive
> compared
> > > to the file labels I have for my printer which I can use to taylor the
> fonts
> > > any way I please.
> > > I'm sure the labelmaker has other advantages though. Does anyone, who
> owns
> > > one, know if any of the tapes look nice enough to label my switches,
> > > breakers, and lights on my sub-panel. I really don't like the thought
of
> > > paying mega bucks for professional labeling of everything on the
panel.
> > > Those ready made peel off sheets don't always have just what you need
> and
> > > once stuck down are pretty much there to stay. If the whole labeling
job
> > > could be done in one strip it would all line up much nicer.
> > >
> > > Bill Lamb
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Rourke" <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
> > > To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke
> > >
> > > <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
> > >
> > >>You're right, I'll bet they lose money on the unit, but make it up on
> > >>the cartridges... but after I bought one of those Dymos at Target, I
> > >>looked more closely, and returned it and got the Brother instead
(model
> > >>PT65) - the Brother has 5 type sizes and 8 fonts (instead of the
Dymo's
> > >>4 and 2), but the main thing is, for the same price ($8) the tapes are
> > >>twice as long (26') as the Dymo (13') (casio too I think). The PT65
> > >>costs $10 more, but you make that up on the next two rolls... and once
> > >>you get one, you start finding all kinds of uses for it!
> > >>
> > >>I forget who mentioned this first, but it was one of these lists that
> > >>suggested these things for labeling wires a few months ago - great
idea!
> > >>
> > >>-John R.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Sam Hoskins wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins"
> > >>
> > > <shoskins@globaleyes.net>
> > >
> > >>>Hello all, I just wanted to pass along a nifty tool I found for
> marking
> > >>
> > > wires. It's called the DYMO LETRA. You can pick them up at Wal-Mart
> for 20
> > > bucks. (They make their money back on the refills).
> > >
> > >>>In the AEC book, Bob suggests using a laser printer for markings.
This
> > >>
> > > is easier yet. It prints a pretty small font and the tapes are
adhesive
> > > backed. Print your label, trim it to fit the wire, stick it on, slip
on
> the
> > > clear heat shrink and you're done. Very cool!
> > >
> > >>>Read about it here:
> > >>
> > > http://www.aarp.org/computers-gadgets/Articles/a2002-06-20-dymo
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
Good Afternoon All,
Somewhere I saw an ad for a fastening system to be used to mount the radio
sleeves in a radio stack.=A0 It replaces the angles on the side that are
commonly used and provides for unlimited adjustments of the individual
boxes.=A0 It consists of a more or less box shaped aluminum U channel with
sliding nuts.
I can't find the reference anywhere.=A0 Do any of you remember seeing it?
I sure would like to locate it again!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
I bought the big Dymo or Dyna or whatever. It was 39.99, and has a big
keyboard, and will take the clear tapes if you desire. I used white
tape with black letters, which is what is included with it. The heat
shrink idea will work fine, but this is faster IMHO.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Schroeder
Subject: Re: RE: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder
<jschroeder@perigee.net>
>If the PT1200 is the bigger unit from Dyna with the bigger keyboard, I
>highly recommend it.
Shannon -
The PT1200 is made by Brother. Is that the one you bought or did you buy
a DYMO
model labeler?
John
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
Oh, to add to that, I need the loss at 1.0 GHz, as that is the frequency
the TCAD operates on.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean
Wiegand
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: RG400
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand"
<dwiegand@surewest.net>
Shannon,
here is a link to a chart that I found while searching
on "rg400 line loss"
http://home-2.worldonline.nl/~samsvl/cabloss.htm
hope it helps
Dean Wiegand
Sacramento CA USA
dwiegand@surewest.net
kit A259
www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of
Shannon Knoepflein
Subject: AeroElectric-List: RG400
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon
Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
Bob, others,
Does anyone know the spec of attenuation in dB per foot
for RG400 coax?
My Ryan TCAD systems wants to have 3dB of attenuation
+/-0.5dB, so I
have to cut the coax to length accordingly. Currently,
my coaxes are
about 12' long, but I cut them before I knew this.
Anyone?
Shannon Knoepflein
Lancair Legacy
kycshann@kyol.net www.lancaironline.net/pix/shannon/
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Rourke <jrourke@allied-computer.com>
Yeah... on third look, I see that the PT65 I mentioned (which is also
19.99, at Staples - thanks to all who pointed that out - I can get a
price match of $10 for the one I got recently!), can't do the laminated
tape, only paper - so the Dymo may be the better deal, except for the
cost of tape... I guess I'll probably get another Brother (PT1200) that
can do laminated labels (or even the PT2300, for $30 more can do 6 lines
and hook up to the PC), if I use it for panel labels...
Thanks,
-John
Sam Hoskins wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins" <shoskins@globaleyes.net>
>
> FWIW, I saw the DYMO LETRA at Wal-Mart this afternoon for $19.99. It comes
> with one tape cartridge. Don't forget eBay when buying replacements.
>
> Sam
>
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| Subject: | udated version of Z-14 . . . |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
If you're a CAD user and want a Revision J drawing file,
hit here:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Appendix_Z_Drawings/z14j.dwg
If you'd like a .pdf copy of the drawing, hit here:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Appendix_Z_Drawings/z14j.pdf
Thanks to John Schroeder for prompting this effort.
Bob . . .
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| over the man who cannot read them. |
| - Mark Twain |
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 03:44 PM 2/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
><kycshann@kyol.net>
>
>Bob, others,
>
>Does anyone know the spec of attenuation in dB per foot for RG400 coax?
>My Ryan TCAD systems wants to have 3dB of attenuation +/-0.5dB, so I
>have to cut the coax to length accordingly. Currently, my coaxes are
>about 12' long, but I cut them before I knew this. Anyone?
RG-400 and RG-142 are same attenuation which runs 20db/100ft
at transponder frequencies. See
http://216.55.140.222/temp/coaxloss.pdf
This says that you need 15 ft pieces.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dean Wiegand" <dwiegand@surewest.net>
If radiorax is the system you are thinking of, Aircraft
Spruce carries it:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/radiorax.
php
Dean Wiegand
Sacramento CA USA
dwiegand@surewest.net
kit A259
www.dwiegand.dnsalias.com/europa/
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From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf Of
BobsV35B@aol.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Mounting Hardware for Panel
Units
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by:
BobsV35B@aol.com
Good Afternoon All,
Somewhere I saw an ad for a fastening system to be used
to mount the radio
sleeves in a radio stack.=A0 It replaces the angles on
the side that are
commonly used and provides for unlimited adjustments of
the individual
boxes.=A0 It consists of a more or less box shaped
aluminum U channel with
sliding nuts.
I can't find the reference anywhere.=A0 Do any of you
remember seeing it?
I sure would like to locate it again!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 10:32 AM 2/16/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins"
><shoskins@globaleyes.net>
>
>Hello all, I just wanted to pass along a nifty tool I found for marking
>wires. It's called the DYMO LETRA. You can pick them up at Wal-Mart for
>20 bucks. (They make their money back on the refills).
. . . got one of these. Use a lot around the shop. Really
nice . . . but know that the label tape is THERMALLY activated.
You can't put these labels under clear heatshrink 'cause it turns
the totally black . . . and they're insufficiently rugged to
stand alone for labeling wires in the airplane.
>In the AEC book, Bob suggests using a laser printer for markings. This is
>easier yet. It prints a pretty small font and the tapes are adhesive
>backed. Print your label, trim it to fit the wire, stick it on, slip on
>the clear heat shrink and you're done. Very cool!
>
>Read about it here:
>http://www.aarp.org/computers-gadgets/Articles/a2002-06-20-dymo
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 2/16/03 4:12:41 PM Central Standard Time,
dwiegand@surewest.net writes:
> If radiorax is the system you are thinking of, Aircraft
> Spruce carries it:
>
That's it!
Thanks a bunch.
Old Bob
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins" <shoskins@globaleyes.net>
Yikes! I hit some of the DYMO tape with my heat gun and sure enough - it
turned black!
However, I successfully shrank some clear tube on a label wrapped around a
piece of 14AWG and it didn't change a bit. Apparently, I heated it enough
to shrink the tube, but not change the tape. Looks definitely to be
unsuitable for the engine compartment.
So, I wonder how much heat can the stuff take? Will it turn black on a hot
day on the ramp? Durn it all!
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
> At 10:32 AM 2/16/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins"
> ><shoskins@globaleyes.net>
> >
> >Hello all, I just wanted to pass along a nifty tool I found for marking
> >wires. It's called the DYMO LETRA. You can pick them up at Wal-Mart for
> >20 bucks. (They make their money back on the refills).
>
> . . . got one of these. Use a lot around the shop. Really
> nice . . . but know that the label tape is THERMALLY activated.
> You can't put these labels under clear heatshrink 'cause it turns
> the totally black . . . and they're insufficiently rugged to
> stand alone for labeling wires in the airplane.
>
>
> >In the AEC book, Bob suggests using a laser printer for markings. This
is
> >easier yet. It prints a pretty small font and the tapes are adhesive
> >backed. Print your label, trim it to fit the wire, stick it on, slip on
> >the clear heat shrink and you're done. Very cool!
> >
> >Read about it here:
> >http://www.aarp.org/computers-gadgets/Articles/a2002-06-20-dymo
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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| Subject: | Van's ammeter & E-Bus |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Dudley <rhdudley@att.net>
Listers,
For those using Van's -0+ ammeter AND Bob's e-bus my recent experience
may be of interest.
I designed my architecture around the Z-11 schematic with a few minor
changes. One change was to insert an ammeter shunt between the battery
contactor and the main bus. To include the current charging the battery,
it was necessary to route the alternator output to the main bus side of
the ammeter shunt.
Van's ammeter (as well as Van's other engine instruments) contains some
unknown internal circuitry that require power. Because I would like to
have the benefit of the engine instruments in the event of alternator
loss, I powered all the engine instruments from the e-buss. The only
instrument that seemed to misbehave was the ammeter. It registered
absurdly high discharge currents that were not confirmed by an external
ammeter. It also fluctuated wildly especially when turning on the boost
pump.
I rationallized that the voltage drop across the diode that isolates the
e-bus from the main bus might be the cause; the voltage powering the
ammeter and the voltage on the shunt (since they differed by diode drop)
could be interacting.
I did the experiment: power the ammeter from the main bus. Problem
solved. The only downside is that when operating on the e-bus with the
master switch off, the ammeter is disabled.
Regards,
Richard Dudley
-6A FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Marking wires made easier |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: LRE2@aol.com
I have used a Casio K7000 with black tape and silver lettering. I find it
easy to use with the clear shrink tubing and easy to read. My problem with
the laser printer idea is that I don't have a laser printer in my hanger,
and it is MUCH easier to produce labels on site, rather than trying to scope
it all out in advance, and then make the wires fit the labels, rather than
making the labels fit the wires.
LRE FEW P51 Mustang
Firewall Forward
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| Subject: | Marking wires made easier |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
I bought a Kroy TM600 shrink tube label machine on ebay for $80. It
prints directly on heat shrink tube. The tube comes in cartridges of
100" and costs 30 bucks or so.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam
Hoskins
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins"
<shoskins@globaleyes.net>
Yikes! I hit some of the DYMO tape with my heat gun and sure enough -
it
turned black!
However, I successfully shrank some clear tube on a label wrapped around
a
piece of 14AWG and it didn't change a bit. Apparently, I heated it
enough
to shrink the tube, but not change the tape. Looks definitely to be
unsuitable for the engine compartment.
So, I wonder how much heat can the stuff take? Will it turn black on a
hot
day on the ramp? Durn it all!
Sam
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jim Bean <jim-bean@att.net>
I would like to wire my plane so that either mono or stereo headsets can
be used. What plug/jack is used for stereo? I'me gessing its a
tip-ring-sleeve version of the same diameter jack as the mono. Do you
have to put in both jacks or what?
Jim Bean
building RV-8
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Don Boardman <dboardm3@twcny.rr.com>
Hi Bob,
I found out today that connecting the PTT wires at the AP/intercom is not
practical. Physically it has been a challenge to solder the 25 conductors
and their associated shields to the units connector. Holding the three
conductors and the shield, with minimal protrusion from the cable end, in
position to the pins is tough enough without trying to add the PTT
conductors. I will make the connections at the jacks.
Don
> From: Don Boardman <dboardm3@twcny.rr.com>
> Reply-To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:05:45 -0500
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: PTT Wiring
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Don Boardman <dboardm3@twcny.rr.com>
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> 1. My analysis concludes that the PTT switch takes the mic plug tip to
> ground. In the wiring diagram for my PMA 4000 Audio Panel/Intercom (great
> response to Mark Scheuer PS Engineering) it shows the PTT switch wire
> connections at the mic jacks. Is there any reason the connections can't be
> made at the other end of the shielded conductors .. at the intercom end? It
> seems to me this would be a more convenient place to connect the PTT switch
> leads.
>
>
> 2. My NavAid auto pilot recommends using a diode in series with the PTT
> line from the com radio together with a wire connected from the PTT switch
> to a pin on the unit. The connection grounds the pin when the PTT switch is
> closed. This kills the signal to the servo while the PTT switch is
> depressed. This prevents the servo from jumping around due to the presence
> of high level RFI on the power lines. The servo stays engaged during the
> voice transmission, but does not move until normal operation is restored by
> releasing the mike button.
>
> My question is basically a repeat of #1: Can this connection be made at the
> intercom end of the wire on the hi side of the PTT.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Regards,
> Don Boardman
> & Partner, Randy Bowers
> AeroElectric wired.
> Super Moose #130 M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Marking wires made easier |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ron Triano <rondefly@pacbell.net>
I do use a lazer printer for my lables but when I think about it why not
also a bubble jet, after you shrink the clear tubing to it I can't see
how any moisture would get to it to ruin the lable. I have had no
problem with the 20# media turing black from the heat.
Ron Triano
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
LRE2@aol.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marking wires made easier
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: LRE2@aol.com
I have used a Casio K7000 with black tape and silver lettering. I find
it
easy to use with the clear shrink tubing and easy to read. My problem
with
the laser printer idea is that I don't have a laser printer in my
hanger,
and it is MUCH easier to produce labels on site, rather than trying to
scope
it all out in advance, and then make the wires fit the labels, rather
than
making the labels fit the wires.
LRE FEW P51 Mustang
Firewall Forward
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Marking wires made easier |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
Another problem with the plastic sticky tape marking systems is that the
sticky side is not adequate to stay put over the long term-even to stick to
itself. Clear heat shrink is needed over it. I have used the Brother brand
tapes on wire marking and have found this to be the case.
What we really need is to only have just four wires to worry about. All
black boxes, panel items of any kind, servos, remote enunciators, etc., etc.,
all need to just have a power in feed, a ground wire and a pair of data bus
wires. The data "LAN' connection would be a universal format that all items
could talk on together. OK, OK, we could go for two more pairs for back up
buses, common to all on the LAN for redundancy in case of bus communication
failures. Is there a "plug and play" cockpit in our near future? I think
so!
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Kitfox Outback, (out back in the garage)
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| Subject: | Re: Marking wires made easier |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins" <shoskins@globaleyes.net>
This calls for an experiment! I took my DYMO tape sample, with the heat
shrink over it, and put it in the oven, with an accurate lab thermometer.
Up to 175 degrees nothing at all seemed to happen. Then I cranked it up to
200 degrees and left it for an hour. The white tape turned a shade gray,
but is totally readable. Based on this I guess I'm going to go ahead and
use it.
Sam
> >Hello all, I just wanted to pass along a nifty tool I found for marking
> >wires. It's called the DYMO LETRA. You can pick them up at Wal-Mart for
> >20 bucks. (They make their money back on the refills).
>
> . . . got one of these. Use a lot around the shop. Really
> nice . . . but know that the label tape is THERMALLY activated.
> You can't put these labels under clear heatshrink 'cause it turns
> the totally black . . . and they're insufficiently rugged to
> stand alone for labeling wires in the airplane.
>
>
> >In the AEC book, Bob suggests using a laser printer for markings. This
is
> >easier yet. It prints a pretty small font and the tapes are adhesive
> >backed. Print your label, trim it to fit the wire, stick it on, slip on
> >the clear heat shrink and you're done. Very cool!
> >
> >Read about it here:
> >http://www.aarp.org/computers-gadgets/Articles/a2002-06-20-dymo
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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| Subject: | Electric DG with heading bug |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PeterHunt1@aol.com
Can anyone direct me to an ELECTRIC (not vacuum) DG with a "Heading Bug" to
interface with my System 30 autopilot?
Thanks in advance.
Pete Hunt
Clearwater, FL
RV-6, Instrument panel
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| Subject: | Re: parallel resistor for LED used with LR-3? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Bob, ok just let me make sure I'm understanding you correctly....a few
months back you posted a sketch on your website showing the use of an LED
with the LR-3. It was located at:
http://216.55.140.222/temp/LED_Dimming2.gif
I think it's been removed because the link doesn't work now. Anyway, in
that sketch you show a 470 ohm resistor in series with the LED, and then
another 470 ohm resistor connected across BOTH the the series
resistor/LED combo. In your previous response to my question (see below
from last week) you specify that the parallel resistor be only across the
LED, not across both the LED and series resistor. Is that your preferred
way of doing it now instead of using the Dimming2.gif schematic you
posted a while back?
Thanks for the clarification,
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D firewall forward...trying to squash this gnat so I can finish
up my panel lighting/dimming schematic....
Time: 04:51:48 PM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: parallel resistor for LED used with
LR-3?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 07:15 PM 2/10/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
>
>Bob,
>
>I found in the archives a reference where you recommended a 220 ohm
>resistor to be used in parallel with an LED when used to replace the
>incandescent bulb in the LR-3 Low voltage warning circuit. Then I also
>have a sketch you posted for someone not too long ago showing the same
>thing only in this case you recommend a 470 ohm resistor for the
parallel
>resistor.
470 ohm series resistance will give you about 21
mA of lamp current. 220 raises it to 45 mA. The
high intensity red lamps I use really get your attention
at 45 mA!
>Is it 220, 470, or does it matter? I don't know how much current the
LR-3
>sinks in the OFF state so I'm not sure how to calculate what it should
be.
The LR-3 pulls down at about 2 mA in the off state.
Putting a 220 ohm resistor across the LED and then
a 220-470 ohm resistor in series with the lamp/led
combo will get it lit up in good shape. You need the
220 across the lamp to keep it dark while off-state
leakage is present.
>For what it's worth, Greg Toman suggests a 1K resistor to be used with
his
>engine monitor warning light if replaced with an LED, but his circuit
may
>not sink the same amount of current as the LR-3....so maybe that's a
moot
>point.
This would give you about 10 mA on most lamps. This
will get you quite a bit of light too . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Mic Wiring [PS Eng is ok] |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Logan" <Rob@Logan.com>
I liked the http://www.ps-engineering.com/pma4000.shtml in my Tiger
http://rob.com/rob/530/mypanel2.jpg
http://www.rob.com/rob/530/
so much, I put one in the Legacy too
http://rob.com/lancair/2003.02/10maps.jpg
A trick I learned in the Tiger, and is more important
in the MUCH louder Legacy is to unplug the unused
head sets.. The mic bouncing on seat is enough to
open the IntelliVox squelch. Also, in the Legacy once
you plug the headset back in, it will take 1 min for the
squelch to find home...
I don't know of higher quality, simple AP on the market
than the pma4000.
---
Utopian Maturity: Eternity, Liberty, Equality and now Fraternity & Altruism.
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| Subject: | Re: Marking wires made easier |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: TSaccio@aol.com
If your looking for a really great way to mark your wires, try <A HREF="www.grafoplast.com">
www.grafoplast.com . It's a little expensive but it's very professional
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| Subject: | Re: Marking wires made easier |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Logan" <Rob@Logan.com>
While its cool to be able write on shrink wrap tube, I can never
remember to put the tube on before the connector.
http://www.labelpal.com/k2500.html a Cleveland, Ohio company, has
http://www.labelpal.com/duraLabel_wirewraps.htm that work
well for me.
http://www.action-electronics.com/ampcpc.htm is the tool
for extracting pins from Lancair supplied AMP connectors.
---
Utopian Maturity: Eternity, Liberty, Equality and now Fraternity & Altruism.
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