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1. 05:32 AM - Re: Wire Splicing (Jon Finley)
2. 06:45 AM - Re: Wire Splicing (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 07:54 AM - Antenna Proximity limits Larry Bowen (Fergus Kyle)
4. 07:56 AM - Antenna prximity Larry Bowen et al (Fergus Kyle)
5. 09:52 AM - Re: Antenna Proximity limits Larry Bowen (Larry Bowen)
6. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: Secure site? (Shannon Knoepflein)
7. 12:50 PM - Re: (Shannon Knoepflein)
8. 01:56 PM - Unswitched Audio Inputs (MikeEasley@aol.com)
9. 01:57 PM - Re: (Richard Tasker)
10. 02:06 PM - Re: Unswitched Audio Inputs (Stanley Blanton)
11. 02:27 PM - Eric Jones (David Swartzendruber)
12. 03:31 PM - Re: Re: Secure site? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
13. 04:55 PM - Re: : amp/volt gauge/ shunts and wiring (emrath)
14. 05:11 PM - Re: : amp/volt gauge/ shunts and wiring (BobsV35B@aol.com)
15. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: Secure site? (Shannon Knoepflein)
16. 05:43 PM - Re: Unswitched Audio Inputs (Larry Bowen)
17. 06:10 PM - Re: Wire Splicing (William Bernard)
18. 06:41 PM - Re: Unswitched Audio Inputs (Bruce Gray)
19. 06:56 PM - Re: Re: Secure site? (Bill Hibbing)
20. 07:32 PM - Re: Re: Secure site? (William Slaughter)
21. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: Wire Splicing (Charlie & Tupper England)
22. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: Secure site? (Shannon Knoepflein)
23. 07:55 PM - Re: Re: Wire Splicing (DHPHKH@aol.com)
24. 08:18 PM - Off Topic - Lightning & dogs (Larry Bowen)
25. 08:30 PM - Re: Eric Jones (Richard E. Tasker)
26. 08:52 PM - Re: Eric Jones (Larry Bowen)
27. 09:06 PM - Re: Eric Jones (Robert McCallum)
28. 09:30 PM - Re: Re: Secure site? (Tony Babb)
29. 09:34 PM - Re: : amp/volt gauge/ shunts and wiring (N823ms@aol.com)
30. 10:35 PM - Re: Re: Wire Splicing (Mark Phillips)
31. 11:34 PM - Re: Re: Secure site? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jon Finley" <jon@finleyweb.net>
Hi Paul,
Supurb work on your Long-EZ, I've appreciated your involvement (with
CSA) over the years!!
I have elected to use connectors in all (most) locations simply for the
purpose of maintenance. The mentioned devices inevitably have to come
out (or at least be moved out of the way) for some reason. I've enjoyed
being able to simply unplug the device and then just plug it back in
when finished (as opposed to have re-splicing all the wires).
Jon Finley
N90MG Q2 - Subaru EJ-22 DD - 440 Hrs. TT - 0 Hrs Engine
Apple Valley, Minnesota
http://www.FinleyWeb.net/default.asp?id=96
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of PTACKABURY@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 7:44 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wire Splicing
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PTACKABURY@aol.com
>
> Bob: Thanks for your thoughts. My remaining question
> centers on those
> components that are wired in "permanently"--that is
> replacement is planned
> only in case of failure. Boost pumps, air blower, MAC motors
> all come with
> wires hanging out rather than receptacles (screws) to atch
> wires--and those
> devices would be replaced only if they fail. So why use a
> neat little
> connector ala your referenced web page--MAC motors don't fail
> so why not make
> an equally "permanent" splice? And should that splice be
> soldered twisted
> wires covered with heat shrink, or a crimped butt splice, or
> do I really need
> to fab a connector? Craftsmanship might be defined as
> lightness rather than
> superbly flexible--maybe? paul
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| Subject: | Re: Wire Splicing |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 08:44 PM 2/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PTACKABURY@aol.com
>
>Bob: Thanks for your thoughts. My remaining question centers on those
>components that are wired in "permanently"--that is replacement is planned
>only in case of failure. Boost pumps, air blower, MAC motors all come with
>wires hanging out rather than receptacles (screws) to atch wires--and those
>devices would be replaced only if they fail. So why use a neat little
>connector ala your referenced web page--MAC motors don't fail
Really? Perhaps I should see if they'd be interested in a
trim system contract for the Beechjet. We see replacements
of perhaps 30 actuators a year in a fleet of 700 aircraft.
If they build actuators that never fail, Raytheon is missing
out on a really good deal . . .
> . . . . . so why not make
>an equally "permanent" splice? And should that splice be soldered twisted
>wires covered with heat shrink, or a crimped butt splice, or do I really need
>to fab a connector? Craftsmanship might be defined as lightness rather than
>superbly flexible--maybe? paul
The devices you've mentioned are called "LRU" (line replaceable
units) in the parlance of certified aircraft. Purely as a matter
of deference to the mechanic who will have to work with the
airplane in the future, LRU's are installed using
some form of connector. Devices with few, heavier gage wires
can use a knife splice, very nearly as reliable as a butt
splice and a whole lot easier to work with from a maintenance
perspective. Smaller, more numerous wires for a device
a brought through some kind of connector such as I have
illustrated for the MAC trim actuator. No LRU is wired
in "permanently" . . . Were I to suggest such a device
require strip, twist and solder to remove/replace, my
professionalism would be unanimously questioned by
by contemporaries . . .
On an OBAM airplane, the only mechanic you have to satisfy
is yourself. Choice of assembly methods for wires beyond
concerns for mechanical integrity are completely optional.
You don't "need" to do anything you don't want to.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Antenna Proximity limits Larry Bowen |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Larry,
IMHO too close. These are both 1/4wavelength antennas and are
both in the VHF COMM band. Theory says they should be separated by 1/2wave
at least = 300/130m = 44 inches or so. This can be relieved somewhat by
substituting and antenna in another band, such as GPS or transponder. If
another type of antenna is used, this restriction might be modified,
depending on type. There's lots of room in most 2seaters to put antennas
where least interference may be encountered.
Good luck,
Ferg
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| Subject: | Antenna prximity Larry Bowen et al |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Oh, oh.......
I misspoke by thinking the transponder was ELT. Please ignore
all foregoing................ Getting senile..........
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Antenna Proximity limits Larry Bowen |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Ferg,
The plan is comm on one side of the belly and xpdr on the other. Sounds
like you read something else. There is also a discussion going on about
ELT antennas, but that is a different thread....right?
Thanks,
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003: The Year of Flight!
Fergus Kyle said:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Larry,
> IMHO too close. These are both 1/4wavelength antennas and
> are
> both in the VHF COMM band. Theory says they should be separated by
> 1/2wave at least = 300/130m = 44 inches or so. This can be relieved
> somewhat by substituting and antenna in another band, such as GPS or
> transponder. If another type of antenna is used, this restriction might
> be modified, depending on type. There's lots of room in most 2seaters to
> put antennas where least interference may be encountered.
> Good luck,
> Ferg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Secure site? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
Bob,
Not to discourage you or your site, but, my credit card number was
stolen while ordering from your site. I know it was your site because
it is the only thing I had ordered within a several week period around
the associated date.
No big deal, my CC company caught it, canceled it, and had me a new one
in a couple days. Now I just leave instructions for B&C to call me and
I'll give them the number. Words great. I would suggest other do this
too, just to be safe.
However, just so you know, somebody is watching the site and grabbing
numbers somehow. I'll be the first to admit I have no idea how they do
it, but I also know I didn't order anything else around that time, so it
was pretty much the only data point that it being stolen could be
attributed to.
---
Shannon Knoepflein <---> kycshann@kyol.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Secure site?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 12:03 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton"
><skyrider2@earthlink.net>
>
>Bob,
>
>Just curious, is your website's order taking capability a secure
>transaction? It doesn't look to be so.
No. The costs of secure website software adds only a
modicum of safety to an issue that is hundreds of
times wider than encrypted transfers from your browser
to my server . . . I've determined that the whole
"secure server" thing is bogus and I elected not
to load my customers with essentially
worthless overhead.
>I'd like to order a copy of the book, but I'm not in favor of insecure
>transactions over the internet. I tried calling your phone number to
relay
>credit card information and got the fax.
If I'm in the office, I pick up in 4 rings or less. Otherwise
you get the fax. You could fax your order in.
>Just starting on the planning stages of my electrical system and need
all
>the help I can get......
B&C stocks the book too . . . you can call them during
CST business hours and talk to a person who will write down
your order. Call 316.283.8000
Thanks!
Bob . . .
|---------------------------------------------------|
| A lie can travel half way around the world while |
| the truth is till putting on its shoes . . . |
| -Mark Twain- |
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
I agree with Bob that they shouldn't be needed. However, I had a piece
of equipment (read SFS EFIS, basically a PC) that could not tolerate the
low voltage condition during starting, and if it happened at the wrong
point during the SFS bootup, it could chunk memory and files and not
recover. Therefore, I had to do something to protect this "pampered"
piece.
I feel an AV MASTER that just controls a solid state relay (eric jones
powerlink JR) is a good choice when this HAS to be this way. I went one
step further and put my ESS avionics behind this AV MASTER, and added a
diode (superDiode from Eric Jones) and an ESS (AV) alternate feed
directly from the battery. I feel this is the most robust design when
confronted with a piece that actually DOES (most don't as Bob points
out) have to be protected, and doesn't have its own ON/OFF switch.
---
Shannon Knoepflein <---> kycshann@kyol.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Casey
Subject: AeroElectric-List:
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gary Casey"
<glcasey@adelphia.net>
<<
I've seen this article and several others in the
same vein. As you have observed, they are
remarkable for their lack of data. These writers
are propagandists, no more than living echoes of
ancient dogma.
As a PhD, Mr Rogers is OBLIGATED to expand
on understanding based on data . . . this guy
might just as well be writing ad copy for
breakfast cereal.>>
I dealt with Tom Rogers a number of times when he was doing an
installation
in my Cessna (I'll admit it, we installed an avionics master at the
time).
While he is very knowledgeable, I would have bet a weeks pay he didn't
have
a PhD, at least not in a technical field. His understanding of the
engineering basics was more of an experience-based one than one founded
on
the physics and theoretical. He does make a point that some of the
electronic gizmos don't have power switches, so a "master" is the only
way
to turn them off. In my uninformed state (read ignorant) state, the
reason
for the master was simple - it's easier to remember to turn one thing on
and
off than several. Having said all that, the only reason I can think of
to
turn off the radios at all is to eliminate the few amps of draw during
cranking to save every bit of energy for the starter. I once owned a
no-master airplane with several others; there were always radios that
were
left on and I often tried to transmit through a radio which I hadn't yet
turned on. It would seem to me two masters in parallel would be a
reasonable approach.
Gary Casey
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| Subject: | Unswitched Audio Inputs |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeEasley@aol.com
I am wiring my own panel with a UPSAT SL15M audio panel with 2 unswitched
audio inputs. I have an AOA, EDM900, TruTrak Autopilot, and a Davtron that
all need to be connected to an unswitched audio input. PS Engineering said,
"Use a dropping resistor from 100 to 460 ohms on each feed and hook two up to
each input". UPSAT said, "It can't be done, pick two". TruTrak said, "Just
hook all 4 up, it won't hurt a thing". Anyone else care to cast a vote!!!
Thanks,
Mike Easley
Colorado Springs
Lancair ES
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| Subject: | Re: ectric-List: |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
I have seen Eric Jones and his products mentioned several times, but
cannot find him on the web. Do you have a URL for him?
DIck Tasker, RV9A - 90573
Shannon Knoepflein wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
>
>I agree with Bob that they shouldn't be needed. However, I had a piece
>of equipment (read SFS EFIS, basically a PC) that could not tolerate the
>low voltage condition during starting, and if it happened at the wrong
>point during the SFS bootup, it could chunk memory and files and not
>recover. Therefore, I had to do something to protect this "pampered"
>piece.
>
>I feel an AV MASTER that just controls a solid state relay (eric jones
>powerlink JR) is a good choice when this HAS to be this way. I went one
>step further and put my ESS avionics behind this AV MASTER, and added a
>diode (superDiode from Eric Jones) and an ESS (AV) alternate feed
>directly from the battery. I feel this is the most robust design when
>confronted with a piece that actually DOES (most don't as Bob points
>out) have to be protected, and doesn't have its own ON/OFF switch.
>
>---
>Shannon Knoepflein <---> kycshann@kyol.net
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
>Casey
>To: Aeroelectric-List
>Subject: AeroElectric-List:
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gary Casey"
><glcasey@adelphia.net>
>
><<
> I've seen this article and several others in the
> same vein. As you have observed, they are
> remarkable for their lack of data. These writers
> are propagandists, no more than living echoes of
> ancient dogma.
>
> As a PhD, Mr Rogers is OBLIGATED to expand
> on understanding based on data . . . this guy
> might just as well be writing ad copy for
> breakfast cereal.>>
>
>I dealt with Tom Rogers a number of times when he was doing an
>installation
>in my Cessna (I'll admit it, we installed an avionics master at the
>time).
>While he is very knowledgeable, I would have bet a weeks pay he didn't
>have
>a PhD, at least not in a technical field. His understanding of the
>engineering basics was more of an experience-based one than one founded
>on
>the physics and theoretical. He does make a point that some of the
>electronic gizmos don't have power switches, so a "master" is the only
>way
>to turn them off. In my uninformed state (read ignorant) state, the
>reason
>for the master was simple - it's easier to remember to turn one thing on
>and
>off than several. Having said all that, the only reason I can think of
>to
>turn off the radios at all is to eliminate the few amps of draw during
>cranking to save every bit of energy for the starter. I once owned a
>no-master airplane with several others; there were always radios that
>were
>left on and I often tried to transmit through a radio which I hadn't yet
>turned on. It would seem to me two masters in parallel would be a
>reasonable approach.
>
>Gary Casey
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Unswitched Audio Inputs |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Stanley Blanton" <stanb@door.net>
snip
I am wiring my own panel with a UPSAT SL15M audio panel with 2 unswitched
audio inputs. I have an AOA, EDM900, TruTrak Autopilot, and a Davtron that
all need to be connected to an unswitched audio input. PS Engineering said,
"Use a dropping resistor from 100 to 460 ohms on each feed and hook two up
to
each input". UPSAT said, "It can't be done, pick two". TruTrak said, "Just
hook all 4 up, it won't hurt a thing". Anyone else care to cast a vote!!!
Thanks,
Mike Easley
Colorado Springs
Lancair ES
Mike,
Here's a past exchnge on this topic from the AeroElectric list:
(Basically a poor man's audio panel)
Stan Blanton
>> See some new drawings I just posted at:
>>
>> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/audio/760v1.pdf
>> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/audio/760v2.pdf
>> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/audio/760v3.pdf
>> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/audio/760v4.pdf
>>
>> These four drawings show how to do stereo with the
>> Microair (or any other transceiver).
>Is this amplifier (p. 2.4) expandable in parallel using the same value
>components for other inputs such as engine monitors, fuel monitors, MB
>lights etc. or would all of the component values have to be adjusted?
You can add additional inputs to as many as you need.
The component values assume that all audio sources are
in the same ballpark for output voltage. If you have
a lot of different sources, you might want to put
a screwdriver adjustment gain control in the input circuit
of each source.
>Does each warning tone source need its own set of resitor/capacitors?
Yes . . .
>Could this be used (with some of the sources switched) as a poor man's
audio
>panel driving an intercom other than that included in a Microair?
You can use this basic amplifier configuration with any combination
of radios/music sources/intercom systems.
Bob . . .
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( "Teaching should be such that what is offered )
( is perceived as a valuable gift and not as a )
( hard duty ." Albert Einstein )
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Swartzendruber" <dswartzendruber@earthlink.net>
Try http://www.periheliondesign.com
Dave in Wichita
>
> I have seen Eric Jones and his products mentioned several times, but
> cannot find him on the web. Do you have a URL for him?
>
> DIck Tasker, RV9A - 90573
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| Subject: | Re: Secure site? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 03:09 PM 2/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
><kycshann@kyol.net>
>
>Bob,
>
>Not to discourage you or your site, but, my credit card number was
>stolen while ordering from your site. I know it was your site because
>it is the only thing I had ordered within a several week period around
>the associated date.
>No big deal, my CC company caught it, canceled it, and had me a new one
>in a couple days. Now I just leave instructions for B&C to call me and
>I'll give them the number. Words great. I would suggest other do this
>too, just to be safe.
A single event? A stolen number generally gets a flood
of activity. Do you recall the name of the company that
posted the bogus charge?
>However, just so you know, somebody is watching the site and grabbing
>numbers somehow. I'll be the first to admit I have no idea how they do
>it, but I also know I didn't order anything else around that time, so it
>was pretty much the only data point that it being stolen could be
>attributed to.
What makes you think the # wasn't acquired weeks or even
months before/after your order? The card is used for nothing
else other than ordering from AEC/B&C? You didn't go out
to dinner and hand it to a waiter?
I can understand how, based on what information you have,
you might arrive at the conclusion you've cited . . .
but without forensic data or confessions by perps, your
conclusion is poorly founded.
We are looking into adding encryption to the browser
uplink . . . the prices have come down considerably
since the last time I checked.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: : amp/volt gauge/ shunts and wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: emrath <emrath@comcast.net>
What is so special about that Switch RSVA-3 that it costs $98.00?
Marty in Brentwood TN
Time: 10:42:08 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Fwd:
amp/volt gauge/ shunts and wiring
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 2/23/03 11:30:34 AM Central Standard Time,
jschroeder@perigee.net writes:
> What are the amp ratings on your alternators and the sizes/ratings
of the 3
> shunts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Schroeder
>
>
Good Afternoon John,
The primary alternator is a 60 amp Teledyne 24 volt model 646849.
The backup is a B&C model BC410-1, 20 amp, 24 volt.
The shunts are all Electronics International model S-50.
The S-50 is listed by EI as follows:
> S-50: 50 amp, 50mV (100 amp capability) External Shunt. To be used
with a
> VA-1A-50. Size 2" x 1.2" x 1.7" height. 3.5 Oz. Unit.Price: $35.00
>
I also used an EI switch:
> RSVA-3: Remote Switch used to monitor the Left and Right Alternator
and
> Battery Current for Twins. To be used with any external shunt unit.
Body 1"
> x 1" x 1.5" depth. Front Panel 2" x 1.15." 3 Oz. Unit. STC'd,
PMA'd.Price:
> $98.00
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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| Subject: | Re: : amp/volt gauge/ shunts and wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 2/24/03 6:55:49 PM Central Standard Time,
emrath@comcast.net writes:
> What is so special about that Switch RSVA-3 that it costs $98.00?
> Marty in Brentwood TN
>
Good Evening Marty,
I don't know, but I would imagine it is because it is FAA approved!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
Bob, no need to get in a hissy, it's really no big deal. All I'm saying
is I hadn't used the card for several weeks, then I used it on a
purchase from your non-secure site, and 3-4 days later I was getting a
call from my CC company asking me about purchases. The perps had made 5
or 6 purchases from strange places that didn't fit my pattern (I don't
use the card much, so a lot of use quickly, from strange places prompted
them). So, my only conclusion was it happened from your site. I only
use this card for airplane parts purchases (B&C and Aircraft Spruce
basically is it), so I don't know how else it could have happened. I
have another card I use for all my other personal stuff. The card I
used was my AOPA card, and I only use it for airplane stuff.
Anyway, I told the lady at B&C about it (very nice and helpful BTW), and
she said I was the first (and only as far as she knew) to have a
problem. I'm sure I was the first, and probably will be the last, but
who knows. I've ordered 2-3 times from B&C since and I just leave a
note to call me for the card in the special instructions section.
Again, no big deal. I just would suggest you fix it (like I suggested
to her) or that you tell people to do the same as I do with a note to
call.
Now, it is certainly possible it was stolen another way several weeks
before, but highly unlikely considering the circumstances. Like I've
said before, its really not a big deal though.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Secure site?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 03:09 PM 2/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
><kycshann@kyol.net>
>
>Bob,
>
>Not to discourage you or your site, but, my credit card number was
>stolen while ordering from your site. I know it was your site because
>it is the only thing I had ordered within a several week period around
>the associated date.
>No big deal, my CC company caught it, canceled it, and had me a new one
>in a couple days. Now I just leave instructions for B&C to call me and
>I'll give them the number. Words great. I would suggest other do this
>too, just to be safe.
A single event? A stolen number generally gets a flood
of activity. Do you recall the name of the company that
posted the bogus charge?
>However, just so you know, somebody is watching the site and grabbing
>numbers somehow. I'll be the first to admit I have no idea how they do
>it, but I also know I didn't order anything else around that time, so
it
>was pretty much the only data point that it being stolen could be
>attributed to.
What makes you think the # wasn't acquired weeks or even
months before/after your order? The card is used for nothing
else other than ordering from AEC/B&C? You didn't go out
to dinner and hand it to a waiter?
I can understand how, based on what information you have,
you might arrive at the conclusion you've cited . . .
but without forensic data or confessions by perps, your
conclusion is poorly founded.
We are looking into adding encryption to the browser
uplink . . . the prices have come down considerably
since the last time I checked.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I have a TruTrak (DF200VS) also. I didn't realize it made noise. When?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003 - The year of flight!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of MikeEasley@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 4:55 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Unswitched Audio Inputs
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeEasley@aol.com
>
> I am wiring my own panel with a UPSAT SL15M audio panel with
> 2 unswitched
> audio inputs. I have an AOA, EDM900, TruTrak Autopilot, and
> a Davtron that
> all need to be connected to an unswitched audio input. PS
> Engineering said,
> "Use a dropping resistor from 100 to 460 ohms on each feed
> and hook two up to
> each input". UPSAT said, "It can't be done, pick two".
> TruTrak said, "Just
> hook all 4 up, it won't hurt a thing". Anyone else care to
> cast a vote!!!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Easley
> Colorado Springs
> Lancair ES
>
>
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"AeroElectric-List Digest List" <aeroelectric-list-digest@matronics.com>
| Subject: | Re: Wire Splicing |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
I'd like to pass on a suggestion one of my friends made about wire splices,
useful on small wires. Attach the pins for a d-sub connector onto each wire
(obviously male on one and female on the wire to be joined.) Then, instead
of inserting the pin into a connector, simply slide a piece of heat shrink
over the pins and the splice is made. If the part needs to be changed out,
just cut off the heat shrink.
Sounded good to this neophyte!
Bill
>
>
> Time: 01:06:27 PM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wire Splicing
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
> At 03:24 PM 2/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PTACKABURY@aol.com
> >
> >Bob: After six months of daily lurking with few questions, I am ready to
> >seek the least esoteric advise given on this site to date: To wit--how
do
> >you recommend I splice wires in my Lancair? Now before the rest of you
> >lurkers hurt yourselves giggling, I have already built a successful
airplane,
> >a LongEZ in which I used crimped butt joints--hundreds of 'em with more
added
> >every time I change avionics or think of a better way of doing something.
My
> >wire bundles look like snakes after swallowing a litter of pigs. So I am
> >considering terminal blocks (heavy, complex, bulky and a source of future
> >electrical surprises) and soldered joints (twist, solder, and then heat
> >shrink--if only I had 4 hands this would be the obvious solution and I
> >wouldn't be typing this question). Oh--I read your book, mostly, but
> >nada--you must have assumed a lever of expertise beyond mine. So whats
the
> >secret to neat wire runs connecting devices that come with several wires
> >hanging out like MAC motors, blowers, and other mostly automotive eqpt?
> >Thank you for considering this rather pedestrian problem. paul
>
> Hmmmm . . . do you plan to revise/replace/modify system components
> like blowers, trim actuators, etc. very often? I can sorta see where
> avionics items or other whippy panel mounted gizmos can be in a
> constant if slow state of flux . . . but their wires tend to be
> short segments that are relatively easy to replace in their entirety.
> If I understand the words with which you described your Ez project
> conjures up some rather bizarre images.
>
> I think terminal blocks with lots of screw fasteners are
> rarely the solution to anything. When equipment items
> such as trim actuators, blowers, fuel pumps, do not
> come with service disconnects you can certainly add them
> in the form of a connector. For multiple, low current wires
> (less than 5a) you can do things like this:
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/macservo/macservo.html
>
> For heavier current, two or three-wire devices, knife
> splices work pretty nice . . . For more wires in the
> greater than 5A category, the AMP CPC Series I connectors
> are reasonable in price and low cost tooling is available.
>
> If you find yourself playing musical radios (or any
> other panel mounted accessory), then you MIGHT benefit
> from a set of cable connectors behind the radio that
> simply provide a convenient place to open the wire
> bundle and fabricate a new, short jumper cable to
> accommodate the new radio . . . However, odds are that
> a new radio will have some feature not supported in the
> old bundle and you'll be doing some major rework
> anyhow.
>
> To reduce bulk in spiced wires, there is absolutely
> nothing wrong with lap soldering 1/2" segments of
> bare wires and covering with heatshrink. This IS
> the essence of Raychem's popular solder sleeves for
> joining conductors and insulating the joint with
> a single, relatively easy to use but expensive
> component. If you're doing just a few splices
> then ordinary butt spices are no big deal. If
> your doing a LOT of splices, then one would be
> wise to consider cleaner ways to avoid splices
> entirely.
>
> The few times I've swapped out a radio in an airplane,
> I pulled in all new wires for the installation.
> Every splice, whether accomplished in a connector
> or any other form adds joints and volume to the bundle
> that degrades (as you have already observed) appearance,
> and reliability. A strong sense of craftsmanship
> will dictate that spontaneous eruptions of wire
> splicing be kept to the most practical minimum.
>
> If I were building an airplane I think I try
> to practice high levels of craftsmanship for
> airframe, systems AND wiring.
>
> Bob . . .
> Time: 05:45:26 PM PST US
> From: PTACKABURY@aol.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wire Splicing
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PTACKABURY@aol.com
>
> Bob: Thanks for your thoughts. My remaining question centers on those
> components that are wired in "permanently"--that is replacement is planned
> only in case of failure. Boost pumps, air blower, MAC motors all come
with
> wires hanging out rather than receptacles (screws) to atch wires--and
those
> devices would be replaced only if they fail. So why use a neat little
> connector ala your referenced web page--MAC motors don't fail so why not
make
> an equally "permanent" splice? And should that splice be soldered twisted
> wires covered with heat shrink, or a crimped butt splice, or do I really
need
> to fab a connector? Craftsmanship might be defined as lightness rather
than
> superbly flexible--maybe? paul
>
>
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| Subject: | Unswitched Audio Inputs |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
It should put out a chime when it's disengaged.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Bowen
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Unswitched Audio Inputs
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
<Larry@BowenAero.com>
I have a TruTrak (DF200VS) also. I didn't realize it made noise. When?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003 - The year of flight!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of MikeEasley@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 4:55 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Unswitched Audio Inputs
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeEasley@aol.com
>
> I am wiring my own panel with a UPSAT SL15M audio panel with
> 2 unswitched
> audio inputs. I have an AOA, EDM900, TruTrak Autopilot, and
> a Davtron that
> all need to be connected to an unswitched audio input. PS
> Engineering said,
> "Use a dropping resistor from 100 to 460 ohms on each feed
> and hook two up to
> each input". UPSAT said, "It can't be done, pick two".
> TruTrak said, "Just
> hook all 4 up, it won't hurt a thing". Anyone else care to
> cast a vote!!!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Easley
> Colorado Springs
> Lancair ES
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Hibbing" <n744bh@bellsouth.net>
I find this very interesting. My AOPA card was also compromised and the
only place that I use it is for self service avgas and then I make sure that
I have the receipt. I had a couple of charges from places that were widely
separated. The bank took care of the charges and sent me a new card also.
Kind of makes a person wonder.
Bill
Glasair
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Secure site?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
<kycshann@kyol.net>
>
The card I
> used was my AOPA card, and I only use it for airplane stuff.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Secure site? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William Slaughter" <willslau@alumni.rice.edu>
Very recently there was a computer security breach at a third party card
processor (un-named in the article I read) which compromised millions of
credit card numbers.
William
RV-8
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill
Hibbing
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Secure site?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Hibbing"
<n744bh@bellsouth.net>
I find this very interesting. My AOPA card was also compromised and the
only place that I use it is for self service avgas and then I make sure that
I have the receipt. I had a couple of charges from places that were widely
separated. The bank took care of the charges and sent me a new card also.
Kind of makes a person wonder.
Bill
Glasair
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Secure site?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
<kycshann@kyol.net>
>
The card I
> used was my AOPA card, and I only use it for airplane stuff.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wire Splicing |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie & Tupper England <cengland@netdoor.com>
William Bernard wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
>
>I'd like to pass on a suggestion one of my friends made about wire splices,
>useful on small wires. Attach the pins for a d-sub connector onto each wire
>(obviously male on one and female on the wire to be joined.) Then, instead
>of inserting the pin into a connector, simply slide a piece of heat shrink
>over the pins and the splice is made. If the part needs to be changed out,
>just cut off the heat shrink.
>
>Sounded good to this neophyte!
>
>Bill
>
The only significant downside is that the heat shrink isn't a reliable
locking device & could allow the connection to be opened by unintended
tension on the wires.
Charlie
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
There you go. See, I could be totally off base. Just seemed like it
made sense. Its possible it happened another way when mine got stolen.
Either way, its no big deal and there are ways to protect yourself. I
know I'm more careful now.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hibbing
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Secure site?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Hibbing"
<n744bh@bellsouth.net>
I find this very interesting. My AOPA card was also compromised and the
only place that I use it is for self service avgas and then I make sure
that
I have the receipt. I had a couple of charges from places that were
widely
separated. The bank took care of the charges and sent me a new card
also.
Kind of makes a person wonder.
Bill
Glasair
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Secure site?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
<kycshann@kyol.net>
>
The card I
> used was my AOPA card, and I only use it for airplane stuff.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wire Splicing |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: DHPHKH@aol.com
Gang,
Nice idea about using d-sub pins and heat shrink for an inline splice in
small wires. I wouldn't be concerned about heat shrink being an insecure
locking device if you're using the good stuff with the hot melt adhesive
coating on the inside.
Dan
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| Subject: | Off Topic - Lightning & dogs |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
OFF TOPIC. DO NOT ARCHIVE
DELETE NOW, UNLESS YOU ARE CURIOUS.
Not really RV related, but someone here may have the answer, so I
thought I'd try.
My canine underground fence (Contain-A-Pet brand) is continuously being
zapped by lightning. There is a 2A fuse inside, but it's not blown. If
I can wire an airplane, I should be able to service this! Anyone know
where to begin? Warranty service is a pain.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003 - The year of flight!
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
Does this URL actually do anything for you? I have both IE5.5 and
Netscape 7 and the web site does nothing except display a rather
rudimentary home page - no links do anything...
Dick
David Swartzendruber wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Swartzendruber" <dswartzendruber@earthlink.net>
>
>Try http://www.periheliondesign.com
>
>
>Dave in Wichita
>
>
>
>>I have seen Eric Jones and his products mentioned several times, but
>>cannot find him on the web. Do you have a URL for him?
>>
>>DIck Tasker, RV9A - 90573
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Works for me.
XP SP1, IE6SP1.
Some neat stuff. I like the little wig-wag(d)
Do not archive.
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
2003 - The year of flight!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Richard E. Tasker
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:29 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Eric Jones
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker"
> --> <retasker@optonline.net>
>
> Does this URL actually do anything for you? I have both IE5.5 and
> Netscape 7 and the web site does nothing except display a rather
> rudimentary home page - no links do anything...
>
> Dick
>
> David Swartzendruber wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Swartzendruber"
> >--> <dswartzendruber@earthlink.net>
> >
> >Try http://www.periheliondesign.com
> >
> >
> >Dave in Wichita
> >
> >
> >
> >>I have seen Eric Jones and his products mentioned several
> times, but
> >>cannot find him on the web. Do you have a URL for him?
> >>
> >>DIck Tasker, RV9A - 90573
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Robert McCallum <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
"Richard E. Tasker" wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
>
> Does this URL actually do anything for you? I have both IE5.5 and
> Netscape 7 and the web site does nothing except display a rather
> rudimentary home page - no links do anything...
>
> Dick
>
This page does not work in Netscape 7, or 4.79 but does work fine in Internet Explorer
6.0
on my computer.
--
Bob McC
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tony Babb" <tonybabb@alejandra.net>
Wasn't there a news item recently (in the past few days maybe a week or so
back) about several million cc numbers being stolen from a cc servicing
company. Could be yours was one of them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Secure site?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
<kycshann@kyol.net>
>
> Bob, no need to get in a hissy, it's really no big deal. All I'm saying
> is I hadn't used the card for several weeks, then I used it on a
> purchase from your non-secure site, and 3-4 days later I was getting a
> call from my CC company asking me about purchases. The perps had made 5
> or 6 purchases from strange places that didn't fit my pattern (I don't
> use the card much, so a lot of use quickly, from strange places prompted
> them). So, my only conclusion was it happened from your site. I only
> use this card for airplane parts purchases (B&C and Aircraft Spruce
> basically is it), so I don't know how else it could have happened. I
> have another card I use for all my other personal stuff. The card I
> used was my AOPA card, and I only use it for airplane stuff.
>
> Anyway, I told the lady at B&C about it (very nice and helpful BTW), and
> she said I was the first (and only as far as she knew) to have a
> problem. I'm sure I was the first, and probably will be the last, but
> who knows. I've ordered 2-3 times from B&C since and I just leave a
> note to call me for the card in the special instructions section.
>
> Again, no big deal. I just would suggest you fix it (like I suggested
> to her) or that you tell people to do the same as I do with a note to
> call.
>
> Now, it is certainly possible it was stolen another way several weeks
> before, but highly unlikely considering the circumstances. Like I've
> said before, its really not a big deal though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robert L. Nuckolls, III
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Secure site?
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
> At 03:09 PM 2/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
> ><kycshann@kyol.net>
> >
> >Bob,
> >
> >Not to discourage you or your site, but, my credit card number was
> >stolen while ordering from your site. I know it was your site because
> >it is the only thing I had ordered within a several week period around
> >the associated date.
>
>
> >No big deal, my CC company caught it, canceled it, and had me a new one
> >in a couple days. Now I just leave instructions for B&C to call me and
> >I'll give them the number. Words great. I would suggest other do this
> >too, just to be safe.
>
> A single event? A stolen number generally gets a flood
> of activity. Do you recall the name of the company that
> posted the bogus charge?
>
> >However, just so you know, somebody is watching the site and grabbing
> >numbers somehow. I'll be the first to admit I have no idea how they do
> >it, but I also know I didn't order anything else around that time, so
> it
> >was pretty much the only data point that it being stolen could be
> >attributed to.
>
> What makes you think the # wasn't acquired weeks or even
> months before/after your order? The card is used for nothing
> else other than ordering from AEC/B&C? You didn't go out
> to dinner and hand it to a waiter?
>
> I can understand how, based on what information you have,
> you might arrive at the conclusion you've cited . . .
> but without forensic data or confessions by perps, your
> conclusion is poorly founded.
>
> We are looking into adding encryption to the browser
> uplink . . . the prices have come down considerably
> since the last time I checked.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : amp/volt gauge/ shunts and wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: N823ms@aol.com
Old , John
I may be wrong but I will check it. I have a S-50, and the shunt is
stamped 100mv'100amp.
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Wire Splicing |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
I'd like to think a butt splice would be perfectly suitable- what is the
advantage gained by the pins? A properly applied "butt" is virtually
unconpromisable- you crimp the majority of other terminations in your
system, so why is a butt splice unacceptable?
From The PossumWorks in TN
Mark
DHPHKH@aol.com wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: DHPHKH@aol.com
>
> Gang,
> Nice idea about using d-sub pins and heat shrink for an inline splice in
> small wires. I wouldn't be concerned about heat shrink being an insecure
> locking device if you're using the good stuff with the hot melt adhesive
> coating on the inside.
>
> Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Secure site? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 09:28 PM 2/24/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tony Babb" <tonybabb@alejandra.net>
>
>Wasn't there a news item recently (in the past few days maybe a week or so
>back) about several million cc numbers being stolen from a cc servicing
>company. Could be yours was one of them.
Nope. Card numbers are stored here behind two firewalls.
One which is hardware that filters off all protocols
for data transfer coming in from the 'net. Nobody taps
that machine from outside . . . not even me. The
book keeping machine is never used to download applications
that might contain trojans and the software firewall would
trap and flag those if they existed. Drives with
sensitive data are not shared on the local network nor
mapped to other computers.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Secure site?
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
><kycshann@kyol.net>
> >
> > Bob, no need to get in a hissy, it's really no big deal.
It's something of a "deal" when my system is tagged as "probable cause"
with nothing other than commonality of numerous transactions
over a range of dates. Its like suggesting that I
was responsible for vandalizing my neighbor's garden
because I happen to own a shovel.
If my system had been breached, there should have been
hundreds of incidents with strong correlation to transactions
with B&C and/or AEC. Vulnerability of the computers
on which thousands of card numbers are stored
has no relationship to or benefit from having an
encrypted transaction between your browser and the
computer that hosts the website . . . and we're
looking at closing that very tiny porthole
soon.
Bob . . .
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