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1. 02:24 AM - Re: Call the ball ?? (Neville Kilford)
2. 04:37 AM - Re: Infinity Stick Grip - Flap Switch. (Kevin Horton)
3. 04:59 AM - Re: Infinity Stick Grip - Flap Switch. (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
4. 05:11 AM - Re: Infinity Stick Grip - Flap Switch. (BobsV35B@aol.com)
5. 05:36 AM - Re: Infinity Stick Grip - Flap Switch (czechsix@juno.com)
6. 06:07 AM - Re: Infinity Stick Grip - Flap Switch. (Kevin Horton)
7. 08:08 AM - Re: Call the ball ?? (nhulin)
8. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Call the ball ?? (Benford2@aol.com)
9. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Call the ball ?? (nhulin)
10. 09:00 AM - It mustn't continue.............. (Fergus Kyle)
11. 09:58 AM - Re: It mustn't continue.............. (James Freeman)
12. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Re: Call the ball ?? (Ed Tate)
13. 10:03 AM - Re: It mustn't continue.............. (Jim Jewell)
14. 10:13 AM - Re: It mustn't continue.............. (Canyon)
15. 11:35 AM - Re: It mustn't continue.............. (HCRV6@aol.com)
16. 02:10 PM - Re: It mustn't continue.............. (rv6tc)
17. 02:55 PM - Re: It mustn't continue....drawing the line.......... (LarryRobertHelming)
18. 03:42 PM - Re: It mustn't continue....drawing the (RSwanson)
19. 04:45 PM - Re: It mustn't continue.............. (Harold Kovac)
20. 05:25 PM - Re: It mustn't continue.............. (nhulin)
21. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Call the ball ?? (Tony Babb)
22. 06:53 PM - Re: It mustn't continue.............. (John Slade)
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25. 07:44 PM - Insurance rates (Fergus Kyle)
26. 09:13 PM - Dimmer Control (Julia)
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| Subject: | Re: Call the ball ?? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neville Kilford" <nkilford@etravel.org>
Your local chandler may be able to provide something suitable -- a navigation
light for a yacht may suffice. I'm thinking of the kind that goes on a mast
and looks red or green depending on the angle from which it is viewed. Like
a PAPI, they swap from one state to another in a very small angular
difference. Of course, which way up you would need to mount it would depend
on which side the plane is.
An alternative approach would be to have a number of LEDs mounted around the
inside a can, with a series of slots cut around the can, opposite the LEDs.
This would be an inexpensive version of the same thing, whereby the LED for a
particular slot would only be viewable from a particular angle.
Less expensive yet, how about *two* tennis balls, one hung down for each side
of the car? Your good lady wife would simply have to drive between them.
You could augment it with a third, directly ahead of the windscreen for the
fore and aft positioning.
Hope this helps.
Nev
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Babb" <tonybabb@alejandra.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Call the ball ??
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tony Babb"
<tonybabb@alejandra.net>
>
> I have a small problem with my wife.
>
> I'm building a Velocity in the garage at home and she who must be obeyed
> parks her car alongside my Velocity. Recently she's taken to parking very
> close to the Velocity (her Ford Explorer wheels pass within three inches of
> the Velocity main gear) even though there is plenty of space on the other
> side of her car. I've mentioned this a couple of times - big mistake. Sooo
> I'm thinking I need to do something to provide her with lateral guidance. I
> should mention there's a wooden frame I built to store the wings along the
> back wall of the garage so she has to stop before she gets to the storage
> rack also.
>
> Options seem to be:
>
> 1) I act as a flagman every time she parks in the garage - not very
> realistic and probably irritating to her so a non-starter
> 2) Nail some wood to the floor along the side of the plane and in front of
> the storage rack so she'll know if she's too close to the plane or the
> storage rack - a bit crude and I'll probably trip over it when I'm working
> on the plane - so not a very attractive solution
> 3) Provide something a bit more sophisticated to provide lateral guidance
> and tell her when to stop - much more fun !!
>
> Seems to me what I need is something like a VASI turned sideways that'll
> show red if she's too close to the plane and white is she's OK, also a
> second light - or flash the VASI -when she should stop.
>
> I've seen the tennis ball on a string hanging from the roof approach and
> also seen these laser devices that point down to a spot on the dashboard.
> neither seems very attractive so I was wondering if anyone has suggestions
> for either the lateral VASI or stop light approach? I would power it from
> the garage door opener
>
> I'm electronically challenged so the simpler the better,
>
> Thanks all
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Stick Grip - Flap Switch. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Julia <wings97302@yahoo.com>
>
>
>Im trying to get my Infinity stick grip order ready since they take
>6 weeks or more to get. They also indicate they are busy and dont
>want to be pestered with questions hence my questions here:
>
>On the Flap switch (button #3 in my case), they mention using a
>"Vertically mounted Toggle Switch [(ON)/OFF/(ON) or ON/OFF/(ON)
>SDPT] for flaps.
>
>Then they mention "Also, we have ON/OFF/ON, ON/ON and ON/OFF Toggle
>Switches. Note: brackets around the word "ON" [(ON)] in the Toggle
>Switch descriptions above means that the toggle is momentary in that
>direction."
>
>Later in a description of a standard set up for an aircraft WITH
>electric Flaps - on switch #3, they say the following: "Flaps
>ON/OFF/(ON) toggle switch using a limit switch on the UP side, or
>use a spring loaded-to-center (ON)/OFF/(ON) toggle switch which
>means youll have to hold the Flap switch UP during a touch-and-go or
>go-around - - not a good idea. Most dont use this switch (99+%)."
>
>
>Im assuming the one I want is the (ON)/OFF/(ON) one. I dont
>understand their concern in the paragraph above. I would think with
>the spring loaded-to-center switch as long as I held it in the ON
>position, the flaps would move in that direction once I let up on
>the switch it would return to center and the flaps would stop where
>they happen to be. Isnt that what I want? Isnt that the way the
>switch which came with my flap motor is set up? - The one I already
>have mounted on my instrument panel?
>
>I dont want a complicated flap system I just want a motor and an up
>and down switch can it work that way?
>
>Would adding a limit switch be a simple matter of a switch to break
>the line feeding power to the motor when it runs in the up
>direction when the flaps get to a certain point? or does it get
>more complicated than that?
>
>Any guidance here would be appreciated. Also what might be the
>benefits of the ON/OFF/(ON) toggle?
>
>Thanks
My RV is not flying yet, so I don't know if this is relevant or not,
but here goes: I'm assuming you have electric pitch trim, using the
coolie hat on the stick grip. If so, will you want to be using the
pitch trim as the flaps come up during a go-around? Will you have
enough fingers to hold a momentary flap switch to the up position and
also use the trim? I'm not sure how much the stick forces will
change during a go-around, so I'm not sure if you will want to be
trimming or not.
I pondered putting flap switches on the stick, but eventually decided
I didn't want any switches on the stick that could cause a problem if
they got inadvertently selected. I'm not sure the flaps are stressed
to take an extension at high speed. I put the flap switch on the
instrument panel just above the throttle. It is spring loaded in
both directions. In a go around, I'll apply the power, then reach up
with my index finger and hold the flap switch until they are up.
Just my two cents worth,
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Stick Grip - Flap Switch. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
In a message dated 3/22/2003 7:38:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
khorto1537@rogers.com writes:
> I pondered putting flap switches on the stick, but eventually decided
> I didn't want any switches on the stick that could cause a problem if
> they got inadvertently selected. I'm not sure the flaps are stressed
> to take an extension at high speed. I put the flap switch on the
> instrument panel just above the throttle. It is spring loaded in
> both directions. In a go around, I'll apply the power, then reach up
> with my index finger and hold the flap switch until they are up.
>
> Just my two cents worth,
> --
> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
>
>
Kevin,
My flaps are manual only on my Kitfox but I wanted to say that I like your
safety logic in keeping flap control off the stick. However, why not have
your "flaps up" switch position non-spring loaded? You could get too busy in
a go around to hold that flaps up switch for the entire travel time needed.
The addition of an end switch for the flap motor would be required.
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Kitfox Outback (out back in the garage)
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Stick Grip - Flap Switch. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 3/21/03 11:02:25 PM Central Standard Time,
wings97302@yahoo.com writes:
> Im assuming the one I want is the (ON)/OFF/(ON) one. I dont understand their
> concern in the paragraph above. I would think with the spring
> loaded-to-center switch as long as I held it in the ON position, the flaps
> would move in that direction once I let up on the switch it would return
> to center and the flaps would stop where they happen to be. Isnt that what
> I want? Isnt that the way the switch which came with my flap motor is set
> up? - The one I already have mounted on my instrument panel?
>
> I dont want a complicated flap system I just want a motor and an up and
> down switch can it work that way?
>
Good Morning wings97302,
For what it is worth, my spam can has an ON/OFF/ON switch for the flaps.
There are limit switches at both the Up and the Down positions. It was wired
that way at the factory as was true for the first 10,178 Bonanzas that were
built.
I personally find it very useful that way, I can start the flaps down and use
that hand for something else while the flaps are in transit. When they get
to where I want them, it is easy to flip the switch back to neutral to get
them stopped.
Back in another life, I flew the Douglas DC-3 and DC-4. Both of those
aircraft had their hydraulically actuated flaps set up the same way. We
would move the flap lever to the up or down position. Use our hand for doing
whatever else needed to be done, then stop the flaps where we wanted them by
setting the lever to neutral. Worked fine. By the time the DC-6 and DC-7
came on the scene, the ergonomics guys had decided that we needed something
that would keep us stupid pilots from setting the wrong flap by forgetting to
neutralize the flap lever. The biggest concern came from the CAA
(predecessor to the FAA). Since we had to retract the flaps from the
approach or landing flap to a lesser setting for the go around, they wanted a
preset position to which the lever could be set. They had no confidence that
we aviators could handle it the way it had been done since the DC-3 was first
built.
Personally, I prefer the way it was originally. That allows an infinite
range of positions for the flap, however, the pre-positioning does have an
advantage for those aircraft which do have critical flap settings on a go
around.
For most GA aircraft, the flap desired on a go around is full up.
Intermediate settings are generally not required. If the approach is flown
at a speed at, or above, the flaps up best rate of climb speed, the flaps can
be retracted instantly without any detrimental effect provided the aircraft
is rotated as fast as the flaps are retracted. If the aircraft has barn door
flaps like the Cessna 180/185 series, a flap motor that runs at a speed that
will take five to ten seconds for the flaps to retract will allow adequate
time for the aircraft to be accelerated to flaps up best angle of climb speed
while the flaps are coming up.
I think a momentary flap position switch would be the least desirable of the
options available.
The ON/OFF/ON is my favorite, though the extra complexity of pre positioned
settings may be useful for aircraft with very powerful lift providing flap
systems.
However, the beauty of a home made aircraft is that you can do it any way YOU
like.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Stick Grip - Flap Switch |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com
Amen...I'm another one percenter. I originally wanted on the (On)Off(On)
flap switch, but let JD talk me out of it when ordering and went with the
(On)Off-On instead. He makes a great product but is very opinionated and
thinks that what works for him is best for everyone else. Anyway, I
regretted it later and ended up ordering replacement switches for two
positions, the flaps being one of them....cost me another $25 and the
time to replace/resolder the connections.
I say get what makes YOU happy. For the RV-8A, I see no problem with the
(On)Off(On) switch....I have it mounted on the top left position of the
stick grip, operated by my thumb....very easy to hold when pushing the
flaps up, and still fly at the same time. I can still hit the PTT with
my index finger, and my cockpit is set up for all other functions to be
done with my left hand so I don't need to do a bunch of hand-swapping
while trying to fly the plane. One other note....the RV climbs so well
that you don't even have to get the flaps up to go around under the vast
majority of conditions (unless perhaps you're at 10k' density altitude at
max gross weight with FP prop perhaps?). I just don't think it's a big
deal, and prefer holding the switch until flaps are up to having a limit
switch or having to remember half way into the flight that I left the
flap motor running.
Do what you like and hold your ground when you call JD cuz he'll try to
tell you how do do it "right" and it may not be the best for you....
--Mark Navratil
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
RV-8A N2D wiring and fwf....
Time: 10:23:03 PM PST US
From: N67BT@aol.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Infinity Stick Grip - Flap Switch.
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com
I guess I'm a one percenter. My grip has the momentary up mode. I
tested my
RV flap, full travel time, on the bench - about 5 seconds. I'm not
flying
yet so I don't know if that will hold up under load, but it could be even
less. Has anyone timed this in flight with a RV? Other aircraft are
probably different.
I can't imagine a problem moving my thumb 1/2" to hold the flap switch
for 5
seconds while manipulating the controls. If I want to bleed off flaps,
thumb
movement to stop up flaps takes a much larger digital displacement. I
also
didn't think it was worth the extra complexity of the limit switch.
> Most dont use this switch (99+%)
>
Bob Trumpfheller
Building a RV7A in western Colorado
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| Subject: | Re: Infinity Stick Grip - Flap Switch. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 3/22/2003 7:38:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>khorto1537@rogers.com writes:
>
>> I pondered putting flap switches on the stick, but eventually decided
>> I didn't want any switches on the stick that could cause a problem if
>> they got inadvertently selected. I'm not sure the flaps are stressed
>> to take an extension at high speed. I put the flap switch on the
>> instrument panel just above the throttle. It is spring loaded in
>> both directions. In a go around, I'll apply the power, then reach up
>> with my index finger and hold the flap switch until they are up.
>>
>> Just my two cents worth,
>> --
>> Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
>> Ottawa, Canada
>> http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
>>
>>
>
>Kevin,
>
>My flaps are manual only on my Kitfox but I wanted to say that I like your
>safety logic in keeping flap control off the stick. However, why not have
>your "flaps up" switch position non-spring loaded? You could get too busy in
>a go around to hold that flaps up switch for the entire travel time needed.
>The addition of an end switch for the flap motor would be required.
>
>John P. Marzluf
>Columbus, Ohio
>Kitfox Outback (out back in the garage)
>
I thought about a non-spring loaded flaps up position, but I knew
that I would forget to put the switch back to the centre position
every once in a while. The motor runs free once it reaches full
travel in either direction, so it isn't putting any load on the
structure, but I was afraid that it could eventually overheat, as I
don't believe it is designed to run continuously. I didn't want the
added complexity of limit switches to turn the flap motor off, as
parts that aren't installed are cheaper, lighter, more reliable and
require less maintenance than parts that are installed.
I don't believe that go-arounds in my RV will be so busy that I'll
need to let go of the flap switch. The mixture and prop levers will
be full forward before landing, I don't have carb heat, and the PTT
switch is on the stick, so I don't think my left hand will have much
to do during a go-around except push the throttle and take care of
the flaps.
We each need to do whatever will work for us, and our aircraft.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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| Subject: | Re: Call the ball ?? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
Share? Share the garage? Dodge Caravan, pregnant, heavy snow all winter.
Share they say, Hah.
From: Janelle, wife of Neil.
> Time: 05:34:45 PM PST US
> From: "Tony Babb" <tonybabb@alejandra.net>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Call the ball ??
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tony Babb"
<tonybabb@alejandra.net>
>
> I have a small problem with my wife.
>
> Recently she's taken to parking very close to the Velocity...
> Options seem to be:
> 1) I act as a flagman...
> 2) Nail some wood to the floor...
> 3) Provide something ... to provide lateral guidance..
> Thanks all
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Call the ball ?? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
In a message dated 3/22/2003 9:09:19 AM Mountain Standard Time,
nhulin@hotmail.com writes:
>
> Share? Share the garage? Dodge Caravan, pregnant, heavy snow all winter.
> Share they say, Hah.
>
> From: Janelle, wife of Neil.
>
>
Now thats what I call a GREAT CO-PILOT !!!!!!!! Wait, hold the presses....
Is her Caravan outside or in???????? I can't tell if she is happy or been
sweepin snow off the car all winter.
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Call the ball ?? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
Actually, the car has been outside since the box with the wing kit arrived
last summer and took over the "other half" of the garage. There could be
some psychological leverage here. If she wants the car back in the garage
she is best to encourage me to get out there and build the airplane. The
sooner the airplane is finished, the sooner the car gets back in the garage.
...neil (husband of Janelle)
> From: Benford2@aol.com
> Date: Sat Mar 22 - 8:22 AM
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
>> In a message dated 3/22/2003 9:09:19 AM Mountain Standard Time,
>> nhulin@hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> Share? Share the garage? Dodge Caravan, pregnant, heavy snow all winter.
>> Share they say, Hah.
>>
>> From: Janelle, wife of Neil.
> Now thats what I call a GREAT CO-PILOT !!!!!!!! Wait, hold the
presses....
> Is her Caravan outside or in???????? I can't tell if she is happy or been
> sweepin snow off the car all winter.
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| Subject: | It mustn't continue.............. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Sorry, but............. it's time to draw its line.
"Its" is posessive.
"It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
"It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
"It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
"It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
"It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
Ferg
A064
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@bellsouth.net>
On Saturday, March 22, 2003, at 11:04 AM, Fergus Kyle wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Sorry, but............. it's time to draw its line.
> "Its" is posessive.
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
>
> Ferg
> A064
>
>
I've noticed it two.
Its about time somebody put those dolt's in there place. Like the
folks who use caster oil to lubricate their castoring nosewheels.
:-)
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Call the ball ?? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ed Tate" <tate@onlinemac.com>
This sounds very familiar to the energy around my project two years ago. I
am now building wings in the living room with the stereo tuned to my station
as loud and late as I desire. Grocery shopping is a bit of a drag. Like
aviation, life is full of trade offs.
Ed Tate
RV3
Looking for a cook
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of nhulin
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Re: Call the ball ??
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
Actually, the car has been outside since the box with the wing kit arrived
last summer and took over the "other half" of the garage. There could be
some psychological leverage here. If she wants the car back in the garage
she is best to encourage me to get out there and build the airplane. The
sooner the airplane is finished, the sooner the car gets back in the garage.
...neil (husband of Janelle)
> From: Benford2@aol.com
> Date: Sat Mar 22 - 8:22 AM
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com
>> In a message dated 3/22/2003 9:09:19 AM Mountain Standard Time,
>> nhulin@hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> Share? Share the garage? Dodge Caravan, pregnant, heavy snow all winter.
>> Share they say, Hah.
>>
>> From: Janelle, wife of Neil.
> Now thats what I call a GREAT CO-PILOT !!!!!!!! Wait, hold the
presses....
> Is her Caravan outside or in???????? I can't tell if she is happy or been
> sweepin snow off the car all winter.
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
It's OK Ferg....
it's ok (:-)!
do not archive ..Jim in Kelowna..just yet
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: It mustn't continue..............
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Sorry, but............. it's time to draw its line.
> "Its" is posessive.
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
>
> Ferg
> A064
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Fergus Kyle wrote:
>Sorry, but............. it's time to draw its line.
>"Its" is posessive.
>"It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
>"It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
>"It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
>"It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
>"It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
---
By Presidential decree, it depends on what the definition of 'it' is...
Steve
do not archive
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com
In a message dated 3/22/03 9:01:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, VE3LVO@rac.ca
writes:
<< Sorry, but............. it's time to draw its line. "Its" is posessive. >>
OK, if you say so, but what's posessive?
Pleeeease do not archive.
Harry Crosby
Pleasanton, California
RV-6, firewall forward
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rv6tc" <rv6tc@earthlink.net>
OK. But can you help me with that whole "your"/"you're" quagmire?!?
Cheers.
Keith
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: It mustn't continue..............
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Sorry, but............. it's time to draw its line.
> "Its" is posessive.
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
>
> Ferg
> A064
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: It mustn't continue....drawing the line.......... |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
I love this gang of...... Do Not Archive.
This message is presented for no real purpose by : Larry in Southern
Indiana, where the women don't snore but the hound dogs do and all the
pilots and RV builders are above average.
NOW --- How many ways can we all spell posessive Ferg? Some of us might
prefer to usually spell it possessive but just the same I understood the
meaning of what you were saying. (Maybe your finger didn't hit that little
s just like someone else's didn't hit the little '. Maybe??
May I also strongly, without reservations, recommend we start watching hour
spelling and use of your when we mean to say you're. I know it's easier to
not use the punckuation and the little e at the end; or just leave it "its"
rather than "it's" as long as 99% of the assumed readers get the meaning.
(Did I say -- I love this group after having my scotch and water for the
day.) I guess ATC wouldn't even catch: your vs you're. Some times we must
assume the writer/speaker knows what was meant to be said. Some folks just
talk better'n than they write, I guess.
Fort the next lesson class, review the correct use of there/their. One of
them, hint - hint, is possessive requiring the use of the extra s. I have
noticed this error in usage/spelling several times over the last year or so
but ATC don't kare about which their we use either.
Don't/didn't mean to offend. It's ( it has ) been a long day after I got
the canopy frame all bend out of shape and had to start all over again for
the ump'teenth time. For the record (so you will know for sure in case
your/you're wondering): I ain't purfect neither some of the time. So
there/their, please don't think for one millisecond that I am picking on any
body. But then again I airn't so hot on wrighting words correctly requir'n
punkcuation. I sound like I's from southern Indiana but I's talk bett'r I
right.
Larry in Southern Indiana, where the women don't snore but the hound dogs do
and all the pilots and RV builders are above average.
Working on Canopy of Finish Kit
Do Not Archive -- PLEASE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: It mustn't continue..............
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
> It's OK Ferg....
> it's ok (:-)!
>
> do not archive ..Jim in Kelowna..just yet
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: It mustn't continue..............
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> >
> > Sorry, but............. it's time to draw its line.
> > "Its" is posessive.
> > "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> > "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> > "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> > "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> > "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> >
> > Ferg
> > A064
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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line..........
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RSwanson <rswan19@comcast.net>
AND THE WINNER IS:
For best response to a post.
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: It mustn't continue....drawing the
line..........
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming"
<lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
> I love this gang of...... Do Not Archive.
>
> This message is presented for no real purpose by : Larry in Southern
> Indiana, where the women don't snore but the hound dogs do and all the
> pilots and RV builders are above average.
>
> NOW --- How many ways can we all spell posessive Ferg? Some of us might
> prefer to usually spell it possessive but just the same I understood the
> meaning of what you were saying. (Maybe your finger didn't hit that
little
> s just like someone else's didn't hit the little '. Maybe??
>
> May I also strongly, without reservations, recommend we start watching
hour
> spelling and use of your when we mean to say you're. I know it's easier
to
> not use the punckuation and the little e at the end; or just leave it
"its"
> rather than "it's" as long as 99% of the assumed readers get the meaning.
> (Did I say -- I love this group after having my scotch and water for the
> day.) I guess ATC wouldn't even catch: your vs you're. Some times we
must
> assume the writer/speaker knows what was meant to be said. Some folks
just
> talk better'n than they write, I guess.
>
> Fort the next lesson class, review the correct use of there/their. One
of
> them, hint - hint, is possessive requiring the use of the extra s. I
have
> noticed this error in usage/spelling several times over the last year or
so
> but ATC don't kare about which their we use either.
>
> Don't/didn't mean to offend. It's ( it has ) been a long day after I got
> the canopy frame all bend out of shape and had to start all over again
for
> the ump'teenth time. For the record (so you will know for sure in case
> your/you're wondering): I ain't purfect neither some of the time. So
> there/their, please don't think for one millisecond that I am picking on
any
> body. But then again I airn't so hot on wrighting words correctly
requir'n
> punkcuation. I sound like I's from southern Indiana but I's talk bett'r
I
> right.
>
> Larry in Southern Indiana, where the women don't snore but the hound dogs
do
> and all the pilots and RV builders are above average.
>
> Working on Canopy of Finish Kit
>
> Do Not Archive -- PLEASE
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: It mustn't continue..............
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell"
<jjewell@telus.net>
> >
> > It's OK Ferg....
> > it's ok (:-)!
> >
> > do not archive ..Jim in Kelowna..just yet
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> > To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: AeroElectric-List: It mustn't continue..............
> >
> >
> > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle"
<VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> > >
> > > Sorry, but............. it's time to draw its line.
> > > "Its" is posessive.
> > > "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> > > "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> > > "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> > > "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> > > "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> > >
> > > Ferg
> > > A064
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harold Kovac" <kayce@sysmatrix.net>
Amen, I've often wondered what has happened to our educational system. I see
non native users with better english skills than some of our native born
writers
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: It mustn't continue..............
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
>
> Sorry, but............. it's time to draw its line.
> "Its" is posessive.
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
> "It's" is short for "it is" or "it has".
>
> Ferg
> A064
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
All that you Americans need now is a proper dictionary so that you can learn
to spell.
Please, just kidding... ;-)
...neil
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harold Kovac"
<kayce@sysmatrix.net>
Amen, I've often wondered what has happened to our educational system. I see
non native users with better english skills than some of our native born
writers
Do Not Archive
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tony Babb" <tonybabb@alejandra.net>
Janelle,
You're a saint and wonderful role model for the spouses of all homebuilders.
Does your husband realize he's the envy of most of the rest of us?
----- Original Message -----
From: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Call the ball ??
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
>
> Share? Share the garage? Dodge Caravan, pregnant, heavy snow all winter.
> Share they say, Hah.
>
>From: Janelle, wife of Neil.
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Slade" <sladerj@bellsouth.net>
> I see non native users with better english skills than some of our native
born
> writers
And where, exactly, does a "native born" ENGLISH writer come from?
John Slade
English, and proud of it, but proud also to live in the 'other' land of the
free.
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Neil Hulin of the Zenith-List at Matronics wrote to me suggesting I add a
"total of available messages" column to the 7-Day List Browse Main page,
and it seemed like a great idea! I've made the modifications and I think
many will find it extremely helpful as well. Have a look at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin...
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave" <dave@bestnetpc.com>
This is just Terriffic! "Posts at a glance"
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Dralle
To: dralle@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:57 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: 7-Day Matronics List Browse Enhancement...
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Neil Hulin of the Zenith-List at Matronics wrote to me suggesting I add a
"total of available messages" column to the 7-Day List Browse Main page,
and it seemed like a great idea! I've made the modifications and I think
many will find it extremely helpful as well. Have a look at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin...
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
"Full coverage $2.498 per year while I am building the kit $400. per year
and it would go up when I get the engine."
Is there a comma in there?
Ferg
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Julia <wings97302@yahoo.com>
I've got B&C's 1.5 AMP dimmer using a heat sink and LM317K
they show pins #4,8,7,9 & 5 all go to instrument lights - can I just tie my green
instrument light wires all together and then run one wire to just one of these
pins on this dimmer control system?
thanks
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