Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:22 AM - NiCad Trickle Charging Adapter (KITFOXZ@aol.com)
2. 05:05 AM - Blown master fuse (RVEIGHTA@aol.com)
3. 05:47 AM - Re: Port to Com Radio (William Bernard)
4. 05:51 AM - Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot (Mark Phillips)
5. 06:21 AM - Firewall connector (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
6. 06:38 AM - Hand held to COM antenna? (Scott Bilinski)
7. 06:41 AM - Yaesu Radio (Terry Lamp)
8. 06:57 AM - Re: Firewall connector (Jim Pack)
9. 07:36 AM - Re: Yaesu Radio Alternatives (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 07:38 AM - Re: Firewall connector (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 07:40 AM - Re: Port to Com Radio (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 08:42 AM - Re: Hand held to COM antenna? (rondefly)
13. 08:52 AM - Re: Firewall connector (richard@riley.net)
14. 09:14 AM - Re: Blown master fuse (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
15. 09:20 AM - Junmp start procedure mystics. (David A. Leonard)
16. 09:28 AM - Re: Hand held to COM antenna? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
17. 09:30 AM - Re: Firewall connector (rondefly)
18. 10:00 AM - (Terry Lamp)
19. 10:03 AM - Re: Junmp start procedure mystics. (Matt Prather)
20. 12:06 PM - Belt tension (Shannon Knoepflein)
21. 01:22 PM - Aircraft antenna VS Hand held antenna (Scott Bilinski)
22. 01:49 PM - Re: Belt tension (DHPHKH@aol.com)
23. 03:32 PM - Re: Belt tension (Rob Housman)
24. 04:33 PM - Re: Aircraft antenna VS Hand held antenna (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
25. 04:44 PM - Re: Belt tension (Dave O'Donnell)
26. 05:41 PM - Re: Belt tension (Shannon Knoepflein)
27. 07:53 PM - Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot (Shaun Simpkins)
28. 08:06 PM - 'Way off topic (Fergus Kyle)
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| Subject: | NiCad Trickle Charging Adapter |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com
Hello All,
The thread about NiCad use in hand helds has caused me to shamelessly
announce that there is a trickle charging adapter available that will adapt
your standard rate wall charger to be used as a trickle charger. If you are
currently charging your NiCads with an "overnight" standard rate (C/10) wall
charger, this adapter will work for you to trickle charge your NiCad pack for
days, weeks or months and ensure that close to 100% battery capacity is
available.
No modifications are needed to be made to your original standard rate wall
charger. You just charge your batteries with your existing overnight wall
charger and then insert the adapter to convert to trickle charging. Cost?
You will get change back from a $20.
For more information please contact me off list as I am the manufacturer and
desire to respect this forum's "no Spam" integrity.
John P. Marzluf
Columbus, Ohio
Kitfox Outback (out back in the garage)
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| Subject: | Blown master fuse |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RVEIGHTA@aol.com
I have a Nippo alternator in my RV8A and used Lectric Bob's "OV protection
for built-in regulators" wiring scheme, but I must have hooked up something
wrong because each time I turn on the master, the 5a fuse between the master
switch and the bus blows.
Maybe I wired up the 4-terminal OV contactor incorrectly? I have two wires
crimped at the master switch which feed the ov contactor and the alternator
IGN pin. The wire going to the OV contactor is wired to the small post at the
left side of the contactor, while ground goes from the right post to firewall
grd. A diode is connected between the posts. Which way does the diode go?
Also, could the OV contactor be bad? Help please! This and an electronic
ignition problem are the only things barring the way to my DAR inspection.
Walt Shipley
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| Subject: | Re: Port to Com Radio |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
This looks like about the same thing that Bob designed, but more expensive and
also more portable, with the BNC connectors. I suspect that Bob's design could
be enlarged to include the BNCs if desired, but this would, at a minimum, raise
the parts count and cost.
Thanks for the idea though.
Bill
Time: 08:46:18 PM PST US
From: "Mauri Morin" <maurv8@bigsky.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Port to Com Radio
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mauri Morin" <maurv8@bigsky.net>
Bill
Check out www.rv-8.com/IdeasProducts.htm and look at
King Antenna Adapter
This might be a solution
Mauri Morin
RV-8 Wings/Tanks (still)
Polson, Mt
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| Subject: | Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Phillips <ripsteel@edge.net>
I carried my Pilot on a number of commmercial flights when I first received it
(pre-9/11- try doing THAT these days!) and was pretty impressed with it's
ability to pull in VORs, even from the opposite side from where I was sitting.
From FL30 it would pick em up from as far as 60-70 miles away just sitting in
the ashtray with the duckie leaned against the window- max range from the other
side was about 30 mi. Seemed to be pretty accurate checked against the
sectional I carried. It would even flip when crossing a station as we flew over
it, only losing the signal for maybe 10 seconds. The radial # would
occasionally jump backward or forward by one as we flew across them- any idea if
this is the "erratic and unuseable" reported by the original writer or does
operation mainly degrade only at "normal" GA altitudes? (haven't used it in my
rental yet)
Mark Phillips
Pebvjs@aol.com wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Pebvjs@aol.com
>
> The following post on the Canard Aviators list addresses the issue.
> Ed Sadler
>
> Subj: [c-a] Yaesu Handheld -- Caveat emptor.
> Date: 12/5/01 11:52:35 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From: brucem@theworks.com (Bruce McElhoe)
> To: canard-aviators@yahoogroups.com (Canard Aviator's Mailing List)
>
> Hello,
>
> I thought you might be interested and amazed at the exchange of letters I
> had recently with Vertex Standard, the manufacturers of Yaesu handheld
> transceivers. I wrote the following to their U.S. office in Cerritos,
> California. [condensed version].
>
> I bought a "VXA-100 Aviator Pilot" transceiver [with a VOR receiver]....I
> recently had the opportunity to try the navigation receiver during a flight
> in my own fiberglass airplane with direct line-of-sight to several VOR
> transmitters in Nevada. I am distressed to find that, even in these ideal
> conditions, the heading information (including the CDI indicator) is erratic
> and unuseable.
>
(remainder snipped)
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| Subject: | Firewall connector |
04/24/2003 09:14:57 AM
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Greetings All,
Rather than making a firestopped tunnel through my firewall for the various
and sundry
electrical signal wires, I was hoping to use a mile spec C5015 subtype K
circular
bulkhead and mating plug connector for 18 16ga wires. I finally found a
local stocking distributor here in the former home of several major
military aircraft manufacturers (Long Island).
But wait: over $300 for a single mating pair, not including any
accessories.
Wow...
Does anyone have any idea about more reasonable sources for firewall
connectors
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Hand held to COM antenna? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Can a hand held com radio antenna be spliced into the aircraft com antenna
cable?
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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04/24/2003 09:43:10 AM
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Lamp" <tlamp@genesishcs.org>
Bob, et al,
I'm in need of a backup nav com and after hearing about the Yaesu,
(which I almost ordered yesterday) as I see it it leaves the Sporty's,
ICOM, and your Jap, as you call it.
What is the advantage of the one you offer?
What is the price?
How soon can I get one? (impulse buyer)
I've been very satisfied with every thing I've bought that you make
available, and that has been quite a few things.
Thanks,
Terry Lamp
Long EZ
Ohio
<<<<<<<<<< snip from Bob N.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I'll be putting the Japan Radio VOR/COMM hand-held
back up on the web site in a few weeks . . I've had one
for a couple of years. Never tried to use it for VOR
back up but the view times I tuned VOR stations in
while airborne, it gave me stable readings about 10
miles out. Would probably work well with external
antenna. I have an experiment I'm going to try for
a temporary external antenna. I'll try to get it
run and report the results before I put the radio
back on the website . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall connector |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Pack" <jpack@igs3.com>
It appears to me that you are trading one point of failure (hole in the
firewall), for a different point of failure (electrical connection). The
question becomes, which point of failure is more likely to fail & which
potential failure can be compensated for? I think that I would choose to
fabricate the tried and tested fire protection methods and not worry about a
newly introduced connection to all of my firewall forward wiring.
- Jim
>
> Rather than making a firestopped tunnel through my firewall for the
various
> and sundry
> electrical signal wires, I was hoping to use a mile spec C5015 subtype K
> circular
> bulkhead and mating plug connector for 18 16ga wires. I finally found a
> local stocking distributor here in the former home of several major
> military aircraft manufacturers (Long Island).
> But wait: over $300 for a single mating pair, not including any
> accessories.
> Wow...
>
> Does anyone have any idea about more reasonable sources for firewall
> connectors
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yaesu Radio Alternatives |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 09:49 AM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Lamp" <tlamp@genesishcs.org>
>
>Bob, et al,
>
> I'm in need of a backup nav com and after hearing about the Yaesu,
> (which I almost ordered yesterday) as I see it it leaves the Sporty's,
> ICOM, and your Jap, as you call it.
>
> What is the advantage of the one you offer?
>
> What is the price?
>
> How soon can I get one? (impulse buyer)
>
> I've been very satisfied with every thing I've bought that you make
> available, and that has been quite a few things.
They're in stock at my distributor. Here's a couple of links
to descriptive pages for other folks who sell them:
http://www.avionicswest.com/articles/jhp520.html
http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/Products/description.asp?sku=734
Here's the link to the descriptive page on my server:
http://216.55.140.222/Catalog/avionics/xceiver.html
and a copy of the owner's manual
http://216.55.140.222/Catalog/avionics/xceiver.html
My price on this radio is $270 in either the ni-cad or
alkaline battery pack version. My personal favorite is
the alkaline battery pack . . . I pitched the rechargeable
pack for mine a year ago.
Can have one shipped direct to you from the distributor
yet this week.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall connector |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 09:14 AM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>
>
> Greetings All,
>
>Rather than making a firestopped tunnel through my firewall for the various
>and sundry
>electrical signal wires, I was hoping to use a mile spec C5015 subtype K
>circular
>bulkhead and mating plug connector for 18 16ga wires. I finally found a
>local stocking distributor here in the former home of several major
>military aircraft manufacturers (Long Island).
>But wait: over $300 for a single mating pair, not including any
>accessories.
>Wow...
>
>Does anyone have any idea about more reasonable sources for firewall
>connectors
>
>Ira N224XS
I hallucinated about adding these to our website catalog
once . . . after talking to my favorite suppliers it
didn't take long to recover my senses.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Port to Com Radio |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 07:48 AM 4/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
><billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
>
>This looks like about the same thing that Bob designed, but more expensive
>and also more portable, with the BNC connectors. I suspect that Bob's
>design could be enlarged to include the BNCs if desired, but this would,
>at a minimum, raise the parts count and cost.
>
>Thanks for the idea though.
>
>Bill
Somebody posted a note about the King antenna adapter
on the list . . . that's when I went to the workbench
and did the po' man's version . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Hand held to COM antenna? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rondefly" <rondefly@pacbell.net>
Scott, look to this site for a connection.
http://www.rst-engr.com/kitplanes/KP0203/KP0203.htm
Ron Triano Quicker one Q-200, 90% Done with 90% to go
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Bilinski
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Hand held to COM antenna?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Can a hand held com radio antenna be spliced into the aircraft com antenna
cable?
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall connector |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net
Call
Apex Electronics
8909 San Fernando Rd
Sun Valley, CA 91352-1410
Phone:316b3c.jpg(323)875-1308
Talk to the Russian guy that works the counter - I don't know his
name. Describe exactly what you want, and what is important - how many
pins, that it's a bulkhead fitting, what size of wire, how many connectors
total. Ask how close he can get. Since it's all surplus, he probably
won't have precisely what you want but he won't be far off, and it will run
under $20.
At 09:37 AM 4/24/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
><bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>At 09:14 AM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
> >
> >
> > Greetings All,
> >
> >Rather than making a firestopped tunnel through my firewall for the various
> >and sundry
> >electrical signal wires, I was hoping to use a mile spec C5015 subtype K
> >circular
> >bulkhead and mating plug connector for 18 16ga wires. I finally found a
> >local stocking distributor here in the former home of several major
> >military aircraft manufacturers (Long Island).
> >But wait: over $300 for a single mating pair, not including any
> >accessories.
> >Wow...
> >
> >Does anyone have any idea about more reasonable sources for firewall
> >connectors
> >
> >Ira N224XS
>
> I hallucinated about adding these to our website catalog
> once . . . after talking to my favorite suppliers it
> didn't take long to recover my senses.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Blown master fuse |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 08:04 AM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RVEIGHTA@aol.com
>
>I have a Nippo alternator in my RV8A and used Lectric Bob's "OV protection
>for built-in regulators" wiring scheme, but I must have hooked up something
>wrong because each time I turn on the master, the 5a fuse between the master
>switch and the bus blows.
fuse? Why don't you have a breaker in this location?
>Maybe I wired up the 4-terminal OV contactor incorrectly? I have two wires
>crimped at the master switch which feed the ov contactor and the alternator
>IGN pin. The wire going to the OV contactor is wired to the small post at the
>left side of the contactor, while ground goes from the right post to firewall
>grd. A diode is connected between the posts. Which way does the diode go?
See http://www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/switch/s701-1l.jpg
This picture shows battery contactor configuration. For use
as an alternator disconnect contactor, remove jumper wire
between left fat terminal and left small terminal. Ground
right small terminal. Left small terminal connects to your
alternator "IGN" terminal, (+) lead to the crowbar ov module
and gets power through the DC Power Master switch through
a 1 to 5A circuit breaker. The fat terminals are interchangeable
in this application. The banded end of the diode goes to
to the left small terminal as viewed in picture and as wired
above.
>
>Also, could the OV contactor be bad?
Probably not . . .
> Help please! This and an electronic
>ignition problem are the only things barring the way to my DAR inspection.
>
>Walt Shipley
Bob . . .
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( Knowing about a thing is different than )
( understanding it. One can know a lot )
( and still understand nothing. )
( C.F. Kettering )
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| Subject: | Junmp start procedure mystics. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David A. Leonard" <dleonar1@maine.rr.com>
Hey Gang, this from Blaupunkt..I am installing a CD in my car, and I
wonder if these guys are referring to the mystery 'voltage spikes" the
avionics master believers seem to keep referring to..or alternatively, are
they trying to protect us from our stupidity when we hook the jumper
battery in series? Dave Leonard
Jump Starting Vehicle:
Before any jump start of a vehicle we recommend you disconnect the wiring
from the receiver to the vehicle at all power locations. This can be done
by simply removing the fuses. Jump starts can supply over 24 volts across
the radio inputs which can sometimes not be tollerated by the power input
stage of the radio. This concern applies for ALL electronics installed in a
car - not just Blaupunkt.
');
David A. Leonard
Northern Manufacturing Sales, LLC
8 Misty Way
Falmouth, ME 04105
207-797-2880 Phone and Fax
207-650-5098 Mobile
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| Subject: | Re: Hand held to COM antenna? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 06:37 AM 4/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>Can a hand held com radio antenna be spliced into the aircraft com antenna
>cable?
Sure. My personal favorite is to bring the comm antenna
coax into reach of the pilot. Put a connector splice in
the coax using connectors like . . .
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/antenna/antenna.html#s605cm
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Catalog/antenna/antenna.html#s605cf
If you make the comm antenna coax feeder about 3' too long
and coil the excess under the seat, then you can simply
open this junction and run the antenna coax up to your hand
held. Perhaps the ideal alternative is a second comm antenna
dedicated to the hand held.
Or . . . you can build an adapter like that shown in
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/commtap/commtap.html
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Firewall connector |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rondefly" <rondefly@pacbell.net>
I called Apex Electronics and the salesman's name is Mike, In talking to him
what he has is an aluminum part that you would solder the wire to one side
and has pin connectors on the other side. for about 15 assorted wires the
part is approx. 2.5" round. Think I will stay with my stainless tube with a
stainless flange filled with the wire and fire caulking.
Ron Triano Quicker one Q-200, 90% Done with 90% to go
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
richard@riley.net
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Firewall connector
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net
Call
Apex Electronics
8909 San Fernando Rd
Sun Valley, CA 91352-1410
Phone:316b3c.jpg(323)875-1308
Talk to the Russian guy that works the counter - I don't know his
name. Describe exactly what you want, and what is important - how many
pins, that it's a bulkhead fitting, what size of wire, how many connectors
total. Ask how close he can get. Since it's all surplus, he probably
won't have precisely what you want but he won't be far off, and it will run
under $20.
At 09:37 AM 4/24/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
><bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>At 09:14 AM 4/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
> >
> >
> > Greetings All,
> >
> >Rather than making a firestopped tunnel through my firewall for the
various
> >and sundry
> >electrical signal wires, I was hoping to use a mile spec C5015 subtype K
> >circular
> >bulkhead and mating plug connector for 18 16ga wires. I finally found a
> >local stocking distributor here in the former home of several major
> >military aircraft manufacturers (Long Island).
> >But wait: over $300 for a single mating pair, not including any
> >accessories.
> >Wow...
> >
> >Does anyone have any idea about more reasonable sources for firewall
> >connectors
> >
> >Ira N224XS
>
> I hallucinated about adding these to our website catalog
> once . . . after talking to my favorite suppliers it
> didn't take long to recover my senses.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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04/24/2003 01:02:13 PM
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Lamp" <tlamp@genesishcs.org>
Thanks bob, I've sent you an order via your online ordering page.
Terry
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,, snip >>>>>>>>>>>
My price on this radio is $270 in either the ni-cad or
alkaline battery pack version. My personal favorite is
the alkaline battery pack . . . I pitched the rechargeable
pack for mine a year ago.
Can have one shipped direct to you from the distributor
yet this week.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Junmp start procedure mystics. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" <mprather@spro.net>
Sounds like CYA from warantee work....
MAP
do not archive
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David A. Leonard"
> <dleonar1@maine.rr.com>
>
>
> Hey Gang, this from Blaupunkt..I am installing a CD in my car, and I
> wonder if these guys are referring to the mystery 'voltage spikes" the
> avionics master believers seem to keep referring to..or alternatively,
> are they trying to protect us from our stupidity when we hook the
> jumper battery in series? Dave Leonard
> Jump Starting Vehicle:
> Before any jump start of a vehicle we recommend you disconnect the
> wiring from the receiver to the vehicle at all power locations. This
> can be done by simply removing the fuses. Jump starts can supply over
> 24 volts across the radio inputs which can sometimes not be tollerated
> by the power input stage of the radio. This concern applies for ALL
> electronics installed in a car - not just Blaupunkt.
> ');
>
> David A. Leonard
> Northern Manufacturing Sales, LLC
> 8 Misty Way
> Falmouth, ME 04105
> 207-797-2880 Phone and Fax
> 207-650-5098 Mobile
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
I talked to Bill, but didn't really find out a lot. He readily admits
he's no expert when it comes to belt tension. What he did know was that
he has yet to see one of the front bearings fail in the ND alternator,
so that is at least encouraging.
He went on to say that he had a consultant from Gates do the
calculations when he had it done, and didn't recall much about it. He
did recall the bearing was a NSK sealed ball bearing, 46mm OD, 15mm ID,
14mm thick.
Any other insight from anyone? Any automotive engineers our there?
---
Shannon Knoepflein <---> kycshann@kyol.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: ALT questions
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 04:55 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
><kycshann@kyol.net>
>
>Bob, in your alternator design, what belt tension do you recommend?
>What belt tension will the bearings tolerate in your alternator?
>
>I ask because my alternator is belt driven along with my supercharger
>from a large pulley behind the spinner on the front of the engine. The
>supercharger sits on one side (copilot) and the alternator on the other
>(pilot). The pulley is 12", and the belt is 10 rib. See attached pic.
>There is an idler/tensioner pulley on each side (see pic).
>
>What is a good way to calculate the belt tension of this setup and to
>figure out if I will alternator bearing problems? The tensioner/idler
>pulley is "pulled up tight" by use of a 10-32 screw that screws into a
>tapped hole in the very top of the bracket that holds the
>tensioner/idler pulley. This screw pushes against the top (of the 2)
>bolt that secures the tensioner/idler assembly. This bolt is torqued
to
>45in-pounds. The belt feels sorta loose, looks like normal automotive
>belt tension. Does the force on this bolt/screw directly correspond to
>the tension on the belt, so 45in-pounds? Or is it 90 in-pounds as
there
>are 2 tensioners?
>
>This late in the day my force diagrams from physics are escaping my
>grasp.
>
>Thanks for the help.
Bill Bainbridge would be better for this question. Give
him a call at 316.283.8000 and let us know what he
says . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Aircraft antenna VS Hand held antenna |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
If a hand held will pick up the VOR 50 miles out with its own antenna,will
there be a improvement inistance if the hand held is hooked up to the
aircraft antenna?
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Belt tension |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: DHPHKH@aol.com
Shannon,
I've done some work with other kinds of Gates belts (not v-belts). Gates puts
excellent information in the technical pages of their belt catalogs, best
in the business. Might check their website for pdf versions.
Dan
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
I'm not an automotive engineer but I know how to find things. Try
http://www.cptbelts.com/pdf/catalogs/vbelt_all.pdf and go to page 290 to the
section titled "V-BELT TENSIONING" to find how to determine the correct
tension for your application. See especially Figure 26 on p. 292 for an
easy method.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airfarame complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Shannon
Knoepflein
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Belt tension
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
<kycshann@kyol.net>
I talked to Bill, but didn't really find out a lot. He readily admits
he's no expert when it comes to belt tension. What he did know was that
he has yet to see one of the front bearings fail in the ND alternator,
so that is at least encouraging.
He went on to say that he had a consultant from Gates do the
calculations when he had it done, and didn't recall much about it. He
did recall the bearing was a NSK sealed ball bearing, 46mm OD, 15mm ID,
14mm thick.
Any other insight from anyone? Any automotive engineers our there?
---
Shannon Knoepflein <---> kycshann@kyol.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: ALT questions
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 04:55 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
><kycshann@kyol.net>
>
>Bob, in your alternator design, what belt tension do you recommend?
>What belt tension will the bearings tolerate in your alternator?
>
>I ask because my alternator is belt driven along with my supercharger
>from a large pulley behind the spinner on the front of the engine. The
>supercharger sits on one side (copilot) and the alternator on the other
>(pilot). The pulley is 12", and the belt is 10 rib. See attached pic.
>There is an idler/tensioner pulley on each side (see pic).
>
>What is a good way to calculate the belt tension of this setup and to
>figure out if I will alternator bearing problems? The tensioner/idler
>pulley is "pulled up tight" by use of a 10-32 screw that screws into a
>tapped hole in the very top of the bracket that holds the
>tensioner/idler pulley. This screw pushes against the top (of the 2)
>bolt that secures the tensioner/idler assembly. This bolt is torqued
to
>45in-pounds. The belt feels sorta loose, looks like normal automotive
>belt tension. Does the force on this bolt/screw directly correspond to
>the tension on the belt, so 45in-pounds? Or is it 90 in-pounds as
there
>are 2 tensioners?
>
>This late in the day my force diagrams from physics are escaping my
>grasp.
>
>Thanks for the help.
Bill Bainbridge would be better for this question. Give
him a call at 316.283.8000 and let us know what he
says . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft antenna VS Hand held antenna |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 01:21 PM 4/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
><bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
>If a hand held will pick up the VOR 50 miles out with its own antenna,will
>there be a improvement inistance if the hand held is hooked up to the
>aircraft antenna?
>
>
>Scott Bilinski
>Eng dept 305
>Phone (858) 657-2536
>Pager (858) 502-5190
>
Any antenna will pick up or talk to a facility that it can "see" . . .
I've used hand helds in passenger aircraft and experienced amazing
performance . . . elevating your antenna to 30K feet can overcome
some pretty huge deficiencies in antenna location and capabilities.
A rubber duck inside a fuselage is at a disadvantage, especially
in high wing all metal light planes. Bubble canopy aircraft are
friendlier and especially the glass and plastic variety. But a
rubber-duck is a POOR antenna compared with any full sized
antenna, especially one mounted on outside of the airframe.
If you plan to use a hand held as a "backup" and you want
more that to call the tower 5 miles out, then make provisions
for hooking it to an external antenna.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave O'Donnell" <daveodonnell@direcway.com>
Some empirical comments regarding belt tension.
My Archer II came with the air conditioner initially. This means that
the alternator used the small v-belts (NOT GOOD). I learned the hard
way that high tension on the ground would result in a broken belt as the
LARGE aluminum pulley on the prop got hot and expanded. Sometimes I
would find broken belt strands before failure. Aluminum has a high
thermal expansion coefficient. Modern belts do not, do not stretch like
the ones of old. If over tightened they tend to break. Non-believers
should check tension in the summer after some ramp time, let that big
pulley get hot! We all check cold before starting.
Tension too loose and the belt would twist in a higher speed descent
(short length exposed to intake cooling air) become damaged and break.
This got real old fast. Tried everything, what worked was removing the
air-con, replacing the alternator pulleys, & belt with the standard
size. The std (large) size belt is stiffer, will tolerate the high
speed air and it can be run loose enough that expansion of the large
pulley on the prop will not result in a broken belt. Truth is, this
larger belt would likely bend brackets before breaking.
If the belt contact arc (in terms of angle) on the alternator is large
the need for tension to achieve drive is greatly diminished. Never have
I had a problem with inadequate drive on the alternator. I run the std
belt rather loose given my experience. This will directly result in
lower bearing loads. Hope some of this helps.
Regards
Dave O
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Shannon Knoepflein
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Belt tension
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
<kycshann@kyol.net>
I talked to Bill, but didn't really find out a lot. He readily admits
he's no expert when it comes to belt tension. What he did know was that
he has yet to see one of the front bearings fail in the ND alternator,
so that is at least encouraging.
He went on to say that he had a consultant from Gates do the
calculations when he had it done, and didn't recall much about it. He
did recall the bearing was a NSK sealed ball bearing, 46mm OD, 15mm ID,
14mm thick.
Any other insight from anyone? Any automotive engineers our there?
---
Shannon Knoepflein <---> kycshann@kyol.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: ALT questions
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 04:55 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
><kycshann@kyol.net>
>
>Bob, in your alternator design, what belt tension do you recommend?
>What belt tension will the bearings tolerate in your alternator?
>
>I ask because my alternator is belt driven along with my supercharger
>from a large pulley behind the spinner on the front of the engine. The
>supercharger sits on one side (copilot) and the alternator on the other
>(pilot). The pulley is 12", and the belt is 10 rib. See attached pic.
>There is an idler/tensioner pulley on each side (see pic).
>
>What is a good way to calculate the belt tension of this setup and to
>figure out if I will alternator bearing problems? The tensioner/idler
>pulley is "pulled up tight" by use of a 10-32 screw that screws into a
>tapped hole in the very top of the bracket that holds the
>tensioner/idler pulley. This screw pushes against the top (of the 2)
>bolt that secures the tensioner/idler assembly. This bolt is torqued
to
>45in-pounds. The belt feels sorta loose, looks like normal automotive
>belt tension. Does the force on this bolt/screw directly correspond to
>the tension on the belt, so 45in-pounds? Or is it 90 in-pounds as
there
>are 2 tensioners?
>
>This late in the day my force diagrams from physics are escaping my
>grasp.
>
>Thanks for the help.
Bill Bainbridge would be better for this question. Give
him a call at 316.283.8000 and let us know what he
says . . .
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein" <kycshann@kyol.net>
Problem is if I let it run too loose, the belt will slip and the
supercharger (and alternator) won't turn, which means no power :(
(well, less power anyway)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
O'Donnell
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Belt tension
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave O'Donnell"
<daveodonnell@direcway.com>
Some empirical comments regarding belt tension.
My Archer II came with the air conditioner initially. This means that
the alternator used the small v-belts (NOT GOOD). I learned the hard
way that high tension on the ground would result in a broken belt as the
LARGE aluminum pulley on the prop got hot and expanded. Sometimes I
would find broken belt strands before failure. Aluminum has a high
thermal expansion coefficient. Modern belts do not, do not stretch like
the ones of old. If over tightened they tend to break. Non-believers
should check tension in the summer after some ramp time, let that big
pulley get hot! We all check cold before starting.
Tension too loose and the belt would twist in a higher speed descent
(short length exposed to intake cooling air) become damaged and break.
This got real old fast. Tried everything, what worked was removing the
air-con, replacing the alternator pulleys, & belt with the standard
size. The std (large) size belt is stiffer, will tolerate the high
speed air and it can be run loose enough that expansion of the large
pulley on the prop will not result in a broken belt. Truth is, this
larger belt would likely bend brackets before breaking.
If the belt contact arc (in terms of angle) on the alternator is large
the need for tension to achieve drive is greatly diminished. Never have
I had a problem with inadequate drive on the alternator. I run the std
belt rather loose given my experience. This will directly result in
lower bearing loads. Hope some of this helps.
Regards
Dave O
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Shannon Knoepflein
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Belt tension
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
<kycshann@kyol.net>
I talked to Bill, but didn't really find out a lot. He readily admits
he's no expert when it comes to belt tension. What he did know was that
he has yet to see one of the front bearings fail in the ND alternator,
so that is at least encouraging.
He went on to say that he had a consultant from Gates do the
calculations when he had it done, and didn't recall much about it. He
did recall the bearing was a NSK sealed ball bearing, 46mm OD, 15mm ID,
14mm thick.
Any other insight from anyone? Any automotive engineers our there?
---
Shannon Knoepflein <---> kycshann@kyol.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: ALT questions
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 04:55 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shannon Knoepflein"
><kycshann@kyol.net>
>
>Bob, in your alternator design, what belt tension do you recommend?
>What belt tension will the bearings tolerate in your alternator?
>
>I ask because my alternator is belt driven along with my supercharger
>from a large pulley behind the spinner on the front of the engine. The
>supercharger sits on one side (copilot) and the alternator on the other
>(pilot). The pulley is 12", and the belt is 10 rib. See attached pic.
>There is an idler/tensioner pulley on each side (see pic).
>
>What is a good way to calculate the belt tension of this setup and to
>figure out if I will alternator bearing problems? The tensioner/idler
>pulley is "pulled up tight" by use of a 10-32 screw that screws into a
>tapped hole in the very top of the bracket that holds the
>tensioner/idler pulley. This screw pushes against the top (of the 2)
>bolt that secures the tensioner/idler assembly. This bolt is torqued
to
>45in-pounds. The belt feels sorta loose, looks like normal automotive
>belt tension. Does the force on this bolt/screw directly correspond to
>the tension on the belt, so 45in-pounds? Or is it 90 in-pounds as
there
>are 2 tensioners?
>
>This late in the day my force diagrams from physics are escaping my
>grasp.
>
>Thanks for the help.
Bill Bainbridge would be better for this question. Give
him a call at 316.283.8000 and let us know what he
says . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
At the risk of being confirmed a know-it-not,
I seem to recall that the VOR CDI works by detecting the
phase between two signals broadcast from the VOR station;
10 degrees phase difference 10 degrees off track. Being
able to detect 1 degree of phase error reliably in a quiet
environment is a pretty impressive thing ( particularly back
in the mid-20th century when this system was invented )
and requires that both the transmitter and receiver conditions
be stable for it to work.
I wonder if the reason that you can't get a stable signal is
because the antenna isn't locked down. Moving the antenna
around might change the received phase relationships radically
and unpredictably. Have you tried the CDI with the radio hooked
in to the plane's VOR antenna, or with the radio duct-taped to
the canopy?
If it still doesn't work after that, well...have any ICOM portable
owners out there had similar problems?
Shaun Simpkins
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
Excuse this one off-topic message, but the frustration over SARS
here is monstrous.
First of all, SARS was imported to Toronto by two travellers
from Hong Kong - it did not originate here, nor is there any
"outbreak"...... EVERY person connected with these two has been traced and
either quarantined as 'suspect' for the requisite 10 days, or hospitalised
and treated or released as clear. Of the 7000 people thus affected, 15 or so
have died - none under 60 years old or suffering immunity deficiency. All
the rest are either absolved of any infection or never were touched by it.
All other transmission is by unsuspecting health workers on the job, traced
and treated. The incubation period for SARS is 10 days for aperson, 24 hours
for an infected surface. ALL this has been pioneered here. There has not
been a new infectee for over a week. In Australia, the claim that a Canadian
infected a family there has been proven false. The other claim of infection
overseas was not a Canadian.
Singapore has done a super job in containing its infestation but
only by some Draconian measures (by our standards). The abject harm that The
WHO has done by including the pioneer city in the contamination of whole
provinces of China is proving to be about 12 million dollars a day damage to
the city. that will be billions by the time it retracts its asinine warning.
The only people seen wearing masks here are either precious
dilletantes (those who were too cowardly to fly on 12SEP01) or health
workers enroute.
If you are looking for terror, watch one billion people over the
Pacific. This event is like watching idiots panic when someone shouts "Fire
Extinguisher!"
There, I can sleep now.
ferg
Europa A064
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