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1. 12:12 AM - Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot (ivorphillips)
2. 04:12 AM - Re: Re: Firewall connector (Gary K)
3. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Firewall connector (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
4. 07:02 AM - Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 08:04 AM - Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot (SportAV8R@aol.com)
6. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: Firewall connector (rondefly)
7. 08:41 AM - [Fw: credit reporting info] (Dan&Patty Krueger)
8. 09:31 AM - Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot (SportAV8R@aol.com)
9. 09:48 AM - Re: [Fw: credit reporting info] HOAX (Ageless Wings)
10. 09:54 AM - Re: [Fw: credit reporting info] HOAX ALERT!!! (Rob Housman)
11. 10:24 AM - Re: [Fw: credit reporting info] (Harold Kovac)
12. 10:57 AM - Re: [Fw: credit reporting info] HOAX ALERT!!! (Dennis O'Connor)
13. 11:03 AM - Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot (Jeffrey)
14. 11:15 AM - Bob Archers Wingtip VOR antenna (Carlos Sa)
15. 11:25 AM - Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot (Randy Pflanzer)
16. 12:07 PM - Re: [Fw: credit reporting info] HOAX ALERT!!! (Bill Steer)
17. 12:36 PM - Shunt-parallelled alternators? (Shaun Simpkins)
18. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Firewall connector (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
19. 01:46 PM - Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
20. 01:46 PM - Re: Shunt-parallelled alternators? (Phil Birkelbach)
21. 01:55 PM - Comm VS VOR antenna (Scott Bilinski)
22. 02:05 PM - Re: Shunt-parallelled alternators? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
23. 02:05 PM - Re: [Fw: credit reporting info] HOAX ALERT!!! (Dennis O'Connor)
24. 02:10 PM - Re: autopilot (David.vonLinsowe)
25. 02:18 PM - Re: Comm VS VOR antenna (Dennis O'Connor)
26. 02:38 PM - Re: Comm VS VOR antenna (BobsV35B@aol.com)
27. 03:24 PM - Re: Comm VS VOR antenna (Cy Galley)
28. 09:57 PM - Re: [Fw: credit reporting info] HOAX ALERT!!! (James E. Clark)
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| Subject: | Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "ivorphillips" <ivor@ivorphillips.flyer.co.uk>
I brought the Icon A23 from OSH last year expressly for the VOR backup
facility, it worked fine on the ground around oskosh but on my first flight
in a europa tracking towards Dover VOR I was unable to get a stable signal
until about 10 miles out at 3000 ft,
On my own Europa I am at present fitting Bob archers wingtip VOR antenna
which I am hoping will resolve the problem,
Until my plane is flying I cant give a definite answer on the Icom except
as a transceiver it is excellent.
Ivor phillips
europa XS and still building
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Yaesu Aviator Pilot
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins"
<shauns@hevanet.com>
>
> At the risk of being confirmed a know-it-not,
> I seem to recall that the VOR CDI works by detecting the
> phase between two signals broadcast from the VOR station;
> 10 degrees phase difference 10 degrees off track. Being
> able to detect 1 degree of phase error reliably in a quiet
> environment is a pretty impressive thing ( particularly back
> in the mid-20th century when this system was invented )
> and requires that both the transmitter and receiver conditions
> be stable for it to work.
>
> I wonder if the reason that you can't get a stable signal is
> because the antenna isn't locked down. Moving the antenna
> around might change the received phase relationships radically
> and unpredictably. Have you tried the CDI with the radio hooked
> in to the plane's VOR antenna, or with the radio duct-taped to
> the canopy?
>
> If it still doesn't work after that, well...have any ICOM portable
> owners out there had similar problems?
>
> Shaun Simpkins
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall connector |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gary K" <flyink@efortress.com>
> > electrical signal wires, I was hoping to use a mile spec C5015 subtype K
> > circular
> > bulkhead and mating plug connector for 18 16ga wires. I finally found a
> > local stocking distributor here in the former home of several major
> > military aircraft manufacturers (Long Island).
> > But wait: over $300 for a single mating pair, not including any
> > accessories.
> > Wow...
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea about more reasonable sources for firewall
> > connectors
the AMP CPC (circular plastic connector?) is a plastic copy of the mil spec
bendix-type connector and uses the same mil pins. I believe the plastic has
a pretty high temp rating. cost is $2-3 and they come in a large variety of
sizes. Don't let the price fool you, they work very well and you can get
o-rings and strain relief accessories. I think they also accept regular
D-sub pins but the mil pins are worth the extra money. They're available
from most electrical catalogs (allied, digikey, newark). They're so cheap I
got extra ones for test connectors and temporary wire harnesses. A nice way
to make a modular system. Of course, the fewer connectors the better for
reliability, but in the right places they help in regards to maintainability
and upgrades.
gary k
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall connector |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 07:11 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gary K" <flyink@efortress.com>
>
> > > electrical signal wires, I was hoping to use a mile spec C5015 subtype K
> > > circular
> > > bulkhead and mating plug connector for 18 16ga wires. I finally found a
> > > local stocking distributor here in the former home of several major
> > > military aircraft manufacturers (Long Island).
> > > But wait: over $300 for a single mating pair, not including any
> > > accessories.
> > > Wow...
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any idea about more reasonable sources for firewall
> > > connectors
>
>the AMP CPC (circular plastic connector?) is a plastic copy of the mil spec
>bendix-type connector and uses the same mil pins. I believe the plastic has
>a pretty high temp rating. cost is $2-3 and they come in a large variety of
>sizes. Don't let the price fool you, they work very well and you can get
>o-rings and strain relief accessories. I think they also accept regular
>D-sub pins but the mil pins are worth the extra money. They're available
>from most electrical catalogs (allied, digikey, newark). They're so cheap I
>got extra ones for test connectors and temporary wire harnesses. A nice way
>to make a modular system. Of course, the fewer connectors the better for
>reliability, but in the right places they help in regards to maintainability
>and upgrades.
. . . and should NEVER be used to take wires through a firewall.
Bob . . .
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( Knowing about a thing is different than )
( understanding it. One can know a lot )
( and still understand nothing. )
( C.F. Kettering )
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| Subject: | Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 08:12 AM 4/25/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "ivorphillips"
><ivor@ivorphillips.flyer.co.uk>
>
>I brought the Icon A23 from OSH last year expressly for the VOR backup
>facility, it worked fine on the ground around oskosh but on my first flight
>in a europa tracking towards Dover VOR I was unable to get a stable signal
>until about 10 miles out at 3000 ft,
typical performance for the rubber duck antenna . . .
>On my own Europa I am at present fitting Bob archers wingtip VOR antenna
>which I am hoping will resolve the problem,
>Until my plane is flying I cant give a definite answer on the Icom except
>as a transceiver it is excellent.
you will see a marked improvement in performance on a
full size, external antenna.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 04/24/2003 10:55:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
shauns@hevanet.com writes:
> I wonder if the reason that you can't get a stable signal is
> because the antenna isn't locked down. Moving the antenna
> around might change the received phase relationships radically
> and unpredictably. Have you tried the CDI with the radio hooked
> in to the plane's VOR
My experience with the King KX-99 years ago sugests that the problem lies
with Yaesu/Vertex engineering and not with the concept of a portable receiver
in a noisy environment. This is both surprising and disappointing, since in
my ham experience, the Yaesu FT-23R is one of the best handheld FM HT designs
ever produced, and is my personal favorite over anything that Kenwood or Icom
were offering in its day...
Bill B
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall connector |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rondefly" <rondefly@pacbell.net>
Ron Triano Quicker one Q-200, 90% Done with 90% to go
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert
L. Nuckolls, III
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Firewall connector
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 07:11 AM 4/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gary K" <flyink@efortress.com>
>
> > > electrical signal wires, I was hoping to use a mile spec C5015 subtype
K
> > > circular
> > > bulkhead and mating plug connector for 18 16ga wires. I finally found
a
> > > local stocking distributor here in the former home of several major
> > > military aircraft manufacturers (Long Island).
> > > But wait: over $300 for a single mating pair, not including any
> > > accessories.
> > > Wow...
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any idea about more reasonable sources for firewall
> > > connectors
>
>the AMP CPC (circular plastic connector?) is a plastic copy of the mil spec
>bendix-type connector and uses the same mil pins. I believe the plastic
has
>a pretty high temp rating. cost is $2-3 and they come in a large variety
of
>sizes. Don't let the price fool you, they work very well and you can get
>o-rings and strain relief accessories. I think they also accept regular
>D-sub pins but the mil pins are worth the extra money. They're available
>from most electrical catalogs (allied, digikey, newark). They're so cheap
I
>got extra ones for test connectors and temporary wire harnesses. A nice
way
>to make a modular system. Of course, the fewer connectors the better for
>reliability, but in the right places they help in regards to
maintainability
>and upgrades.
. . . and should NEVER be used to take wires through a firewall.
Bob . . .
Before I would say NEVER, I would like to see some spec on this
connector, Don't just not use it because it is plastic, or
fibreglass as some have a much better fire ratings than most other
materials. Just look at what happened to the space shuttle when
a
piece broke off. Maybe Bob's never is some electrical reason? Still
using my stainless tube with a welded flange and fire caulking.
Ron Triano
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( Knowing about a thing is different than )
( understanding it. One can know a lot )
( and still understand nothing. )
( C.F. Kettering )
--------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | [Fwd: credit reporting info] |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan&Patty Krueger <pndkrueg@infionline.net>
From: "Betty Enfinger" <bettyenfinger@cox.net>
"Larry Spikes" <l.spikes@att.net>,
"Francis Enfinger" <fenfinger@alaweb.com>,
"Mark at Home" < enfinger@tampabay.rr.com>,
"Lisa Jones" <lisajones@antelecom.net>,
"Vivian Faircloth" <vfaircloth@iname.com>,
"Susan Madden" <susanm@sscal.com>,
"Rosie Taylor" <jsamtaylor@insightbb.com>,
"Prentiss Frazier" <prentissntenny@aol.com>,
"Patty Krueger" <pndkrueg@infionline.net>,
"Pat Ready" <paradigm21@sprynet.com>,
"Nancy Gressler" <nag@mymailstation.com>,
"Marilyn at Work" <mmyers@banking.state.ar.us>,
"Linda Tillery" <ltillery@cox.net>,
"Jody Webb" <bowmantj@juno.com>,
"Joan Highsmith" <whighsmith1@earthlink.net>,
"Jill McMahon" <jmcmahon@adcodrywall.com>,
"Helen Gibson" <helenkagib@arc.net>,
"Gloria Dawson" <glodaw@juno.com>,
"Gary Wilson" <ggdwilson@aol.com>,
"Fred Schwenk" <fkschwenk@aol.com>,
"Carmen Jones" < carmen.jones@amsouth.com>,
"Barbara Paulin" <innerreach@juno.com>,
"Barbara Allison Hurlbutt" <bah5292642@aol.com>
Subject: credit reporting info
To All,
Very important...Please read...
Your Credit: Personal Information goes public Starting July 1st, 2003,
the four major credit bureaus in the US (Equifax, Experian, Trans Union,
etc.) will be allowed to release credit info, mailing addresses, phone
numbers, etc., to ANYONE who requests it. If you do not want to be included
in this release of your personal information, you can call 1-888-567-8688.
Once the message starts you will want option #2 (even though option #1
refers to this email, push #2) and then option #3.
Be sure to listen closely, the first option is only for a two-year period.
Make sure you! wait until they prompt for the third option, which opts
you out FOREVER. You should receive their paperwork in the mail confirming
the "opting out" in less than one week after making the call.
PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
Here is the web site: http://www.pirg.org/consumer/credit/bureaus.htm
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To All,
Very important...Please read...
Your Credit: Personal
Information goes public Starting July 1st, 2003,
the four major credit
bureaus in the US (Equifax, Experian, Trans Union,etc.) will be allowed to
release credit info, mailing addresses, phone numbers, etc., to ANYONE who
requests it. If you do not want to be included in this release of your
personal information, you can call 1-888-567-8688. Once the message starts
you will want option #2 (even though option #1 refers to this email, push #2)
and then option #3.
Be sure to listen closely, the first option is only for a two-year
period.
Make sure you! wait until they prompt for the third option, which
opts
you out FOREVER. You should receive their paperwork in the mail
confirmingthe "opting out" in less than one week after making the
call.
PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, FRIENDS AND
FAMILY.
Here is the web site: <A
href"http://www.pirg.org/consumer/credit/bureaus.htm">http://www.pirg.org/consumer/credit/bureaus.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: SportAV8R@aol.com
In a message dated 04/25/2003 11:05:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
SportAV8R@aol.com writes:
> My experience with the King KX-99 years ago sugests that the problem lies
> with Yaesu/Vertex engineering
Let me add to my own post by saying that the King handheld would read the
exact reciprocal of the VOR heading if the bus voltage in my RANS was not
reduced to about 12.6 volts by the addition of some series dropping diodes of
the 1N4004 variety. I discovered this quirk by accident comparing readings
on a familiar VOR using battery vs. ship's mains power, before I ever tried
to navigate far from home with it - fortunately! Drop the voltage down to
what the KX-99 wanted to see, and SHAZAAM!, the radial display changed 180
degrees to the correct one.
-Bill
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| Subject: | [Fwd: credit reporting info] HOAX |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ageless Wings" <harley@agelesswings.com>
THIS IS A HOAX...DO NOT CALL...HERE'S SOME MORE INFO ON IT..
While the phone number and it's purpose are legitimate, the rest of the
message is not. The message was started early in 2001 and was the result of
someone mixing up two different situations.
In 2001, because of implementation of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act (also known
as the Financial Services Modernization Act) the banking, insurance, and
securities industries are now allowed to sell customer information just as
the credit bureaus ALREADY did. Congress added a provision to the act
requiring that all financial service companies send privacy notices
providing a "reasonable opportunity" to opt out of this information-sharing
to all their customers by July 1, 2001.
The credit bureaus have been able to sell this information, however, they do
not and cannot sell any of your information, including your social security
number, to "anyone who requests it" as the message says. Under the Fair
Credit Reporting Act of 1997, businesses seeking to obtain personal
information from credit bureaus must have a "permissible purpose" in order
to access credit reports. (Permissible purposes include checking the
backgrounds of persons to determine their creditworthiness before selling or
renting property to them, extending them loans or credit, or considering
them for employment.) This restriction remains in force, it did not change
on July 1, and it still applies whether or not you call the number listed.
Like I said, someone just managed to mix the two issues up last year, and
the information is old anyway.
Harley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>> Dan&Patty Krueger
>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:38 AM
>> To: Martha Beck; Adolf Wenning; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com; Al
>> Marretta; Ann & Grey Jewett
>> Subject: AeroElectric-List: [Fwd: credit reporting info]
>>
>>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan&Patty Krueger
>> <pndkrueg@infionline.net>
>>
>>
>> From: "Betty Enfinger" <bettyenfinger@cox.net>
>> To: "Mark Snyder" <marksnyder61@cox.net>,
>> "Larry Spikes" <l.spikes@att.net>,
>> "Francis Enfinger" <fenfinger@alaweb.com>,
>> "Mark at Home" < enfinger@tampabay.rr.com>,
>> "Lisa Jones" <lisajones@antelecom.net>,
>> "Vivian Faircloth" <vfaircloth@iname.com>,
>> "Susan Madden" <susanm@sscal.com>,
>> "Rosie Taylor" <jsamtaylor@insightbb.com>,
>> "Prentiss Frazier" <prentissntenny@aol.com>,
>> "Patty Krueger" <pndkrueg@infionline.net>,
>> "Pat Ready" <paradigm21@sprynet.com>,
>> "Nancy Gressler" <nag@mymailstation.com>,
>> "Marilyn at Work" <mmyers@banking.state.ar.us>,
>> "Linda Tillery" <ltillery@cox.net>,
>> "Jody Webb" <bowmantj@juno.com>,
>> "Joan Highsmith" <whighsmith1@earthlink.net>,
>> "Jill McMahon" <jmcmahon@adcodrywall.com>,
>> "Helen Gibson" <helenkagib@arc.net>,
>> "Gloria Dawson" <glodaw@juno.com>,
>> "Gary Wilson" <ggdwilson@aol.com>,
>> "Fred Schwenk" <fkschwenk@aol.com>,
>> "Carmen Jones" < carmen.jones@amsouth.com>,
>> "Barbara Paulin" <innerreach@juno.com>,
>> "Barbara Allison Hurlbutt" <bah5292642@aol.com>
>> Subject: credit reporting info
>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:26:21 -0500
>>
>>
>> To All,
>> Very important...Please read...
>>
>> Your Credit: Personal Information goes public Starting July 1st, 2003,
>> the four major credit bureaus in the US (Equifax, Experian, Trans Union,
>> etc.) will be allowed to release credit info, mailing addresses, phone
>> numbers, etc., to ANYONE who requests it. If you do not want to
>> be included
>> in this release of your personal information, you can call
>> 1-888-567-8688.
>> Once the message starts you will want option #2 (even though option #1
>> refers to this email, push #2) and then option #3.
>>
>> Be sure to listen closely, the first option is only for a
>> two-year period.
>> Make sure you! wait until they prompt for the third option, which opts
>> you out FOREVER. You should receive their paperwork in the mail
>> confirming
>> the "opting out" in less than one week after making the call.
>>
>> PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
>>
>> Here is the web site: http://www.pirg.org/consumer/credit/bureaus.htm
>>
>>
>> <META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" nameGENERATOR>
>>
>> To All,
>> Very important...Please read...
>>
>> Your Credit: Personal
>> Information goes public Starting July 1st, 2003,
>> the four major credit
>> bureaus in the US (Equifax, Experian, Trans Union,etc.) will be
>> allowed to
>> release credit info, mailing addresses, phone numbers, etc., to
>> ANYONE who
>> requests it. If you do not want to be included in this release of your
>> personal information, you can call 1-888-567-8688. Once the
>> message starts
>> you will want option #2 (even though option #1 refers to this
>> email, push #2)
>> and then option #3.
>>
>> Be sure to listen closely, the first option is only for a two-year
>> period.
>> Make sure you! wait until they prompt for the third option, which
>> opts
>> you out FOREVER. You should receive their paperwork in the mail
>> confirmingthe "opting out" in less than one week after making the
>> call.
>>
>> PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, FRIENDS AND
>> FAMILY.
>>
>> Here is the web site: <A
>> href"http://www.pirg.org/consumer/credit/bureaus.htm">http://www.
>> pirg.org/consumer/credit/bureaus.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | [Fwd: credit reporting info] HOAX ALERT!!! |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
This is a HOAX.. For details go to http://police2.ucr.edu/hoax.html
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
Airfarame complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan&Patty
Krueger
Marretta; Ann & Grey Jewett
Subject: AeroElectric-List: [Fwd: credit reporting info]
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan&Patty Krueger
<pndkrueg@infionline.net>
From: "Betty Enfinger" <bettyenfinger@cox.net>
"Larry Spikes" <l.spikes@att.net>,
"Francis Enfinger" <fenfinger@alaweb.com>,
"Mark at Home" < enfinger@tampabay.rr.com>,
"Lisa Jones" <lisajones@antelecom.net>,
"Vivian Faircloth" <vfaircloth@iname.com>,
"Susan Madden" <susanm@sscal.com>,
"Rosie Taylor" <jsamtaylor@insightbb.com>,
"Prentiss Frazier" <prentissntenny@aol.com>,
"Patty Krueger" <pndkrueg@infionline.net>,
"Pat Ready" <paradigm21@sprynet.com>,
"Nancy Gressler" <nag@mymailstation.com>,
"Marilyn at Work" <mmyers@banking.state.ar.us>,
"Linda Tillery" <ltillery@cox.net>,
"Jody Webb" <bowmantj@juno.com>,
"Joan Highsmith" <whighsmith1@earthlink.net>,
"Jill McMahon" <jmcmahon@adcodrywall.com>,
"Helen Gibson" <helenkagib@arc.net>,
"Gloria Dawson" <glodaw@juno.com>,
"Gary Wilson" <ggdwilson@aol.com>,
"Fred Schwenk" <fkschwenk@aol.com>,
"Carmen Jones" < carmen.jones@amsouth.com>,
"Barbara Paulin" <innerreach@juno.com>,
"Barbara Allison Hurlbutt" <bah5292642@aol.com>
Subject: credit reporting info
To All,
Very important...Please read...
Your Credit: Personal Information goes public Starting July 1st, 2003,
the four major credit bureaus in the US (Equifax, Experian, Trans Union,
etc.) will be allowed to release credit info, mailing addresses, phone
numbers, etc., to ANYONE who requests it. If you do not want to be included
in this release of your personal information, you can call 1-888-567-8688.
Once the message starts you will want option #2 (even though option #1
refers to this email, push #2) and then option #3.
Be sure to listen closely, the first option is only for a two-year period.
Make sure you! wait until they prompt for the third option, which opts
you out FOREVER. You should receive their paperwork in the mail confirming
the "opting out" in less than one week after making the call.
PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
Here is the web site: http://www.pirg.org/consumer/credit/bureaus.htm
<META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" nameGENERATOR>
To All,
Very important...Please read...
Your Credit: Personal
Information goes public Starting July 1st, 2003,
the four major credit
bureaus in the US (Equifax, Experian, Trans Union,etc.) will be allowed to
release credit info, mailing addresses, phone numbers, etc., to ANYONE who
requests it. If you do not want to be included in this release of your
personal information, you can call 1-888-567-8688. Once the message starts
you will want option #2 (even though option #1 refers to this email, push
#2)
and then option #3.
Be sure to listen closely, the first option is only for a two-year
period.
Make sure you! wait until they prompt for the third option, which
opts
you out FOREVER. You should receive their paperwork in the mail
confirmingthe "opting out" in less than one week after making the
call.
PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, FRIENDS AND
FAMILY.
Here is the web site: <A
href"http://www.pirg.org/consumer/credit/bureaus.htm">http://www.pirg.org/co
nsumer/credit/bureaus.htm
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"Adolf Wenning" <floridabreezetwo@aol.com>,
"Al Marretta" <amarretta@aol.com>, "Ann & Grey Jewett" <Greyjay65@aol.com>
| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: credit reporting info] |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harold Kovac" <kayce@sysmatrix.net>
This be a hoax
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan&Patty Krueger" <pndkrueg@infionline.net>
<floridabreezetwo@aol.com>; <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>; "Al Marretta"
<amarretta@aol.com>; "Ann & Grey Jewett" <Greyjay65@aol.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: [Fwd: credit reporting info]
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan&Patty Krueger
<pndkrueg@infionline.net>
>
>
> From: "Betty Enfinger" <bettyenfinger@cox.net>
> To: "Mark Snyder" <marksnyder61@cox.net>,
> "Larry Spikes" <l.spikes@att.net>,
> "Francis Enfinger" <fenfinger@alaweb.com>,
> "Mark at Home" < enfinger@tampabay.rr.com>,
> "Lisa Jones" <lisajones@antelecom.net>,
> "Vivian Faircloth" <vfaircloth@iname.com>,
> "Susan Madden" <susanm@sscal.com>,
> "Rosie Taylor" <jsamtaylor@insightbb.com>,
> "Prentiss Frazier" <prentissntenny@aol.com>,
> "Patty Krueger" <pndkrueg@infionline.net>,
> "Pat Ready" <paradigm21@sprynet.com>,
> "Nancy Gressler" <nag@mymailstation.com>,
> "Marilyn at Work" <mmyers@banking.state.ar.us>,
> "Linda Tillery" <ltillery@cox.net>,
> "Jody Webb" <bowmantj@juno.com>,
> "Joan Highsmith" <whighsmith1@earthlink.net>,
> "Jill McMahon" <jmcmahon@adcodrywall.com>,
> "Helen Gibson" <helenkagib@arc.net>,
> "Gloria Dawson" <glodaw@juno.com>,
> "Gary Wilson" <ggdwilson@aol.com>,
> "Fred Schwenk" <fkschwenk@aol.com>,
> "Carmen Jones" < carmen.jones@amsouth.com>,
> "Barbara Paulin" <innerreach@juno.com>,
> "Barbara Allison Hurlbutt" <bah5292642@aol.com>
> Subject: credit reporting info
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:26:21 -0500
>
>
> To All,
> Very important...Please read...
>
> Your Credit: Personal Information goes public Starting July 1st, 2003,
> the four major credit bureaus in the US (Equifax, Experian, Trans Union,
> etc.) will be allowed to release credit info, mailing addresses, phone
> numbers, etc., to ANYONE who requests it. If you do not want to be
included
> in this release of your personal information, you can call 1-888-567-8688.
> Once the message starts you will want option #2 (even though option #1
> refers to this email, push #2) and then option #3.
>
> Be sure to listen closely, the first option is only for a two-year period.
> Make sure you! wait until they prompt for the third option, which opts
> you out FOREVER. You should receive their paperwork in the mail
confirming
> the "opting out" in less than one week after making the call.
>
> PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
>
> Here is the web site: http://www.pirg.org/consumer/credit/bureaus.htm
>
>
> <META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" nameGENERATOR>
>
> To All,
> Very important...Please read...
>
> Your Credit: Personal
> Information goes public Starting July 1st, 2003,
> the four major credit
> bureaus in the US (Equifax, Experian, Trans Union,etc.) will be allowed to
> release credit info, mailing addresses, phone numbers, etc., to ANYONE who
> requests it. If you do not want to be included in this release of your
> personal information, you can call 1-888-567-8688. Once the message starts
> you will want option #2 (even though option #1 refers to this email, push
#2)
> and then option #3.
>
> Be sure to listen closely, the first option is only for a two-year
> period.
> Make sure you! wait until they prompt for the third option, which
> opts
> you out FOREVER. You should receive their paperwork in the mail
> confirmingthe "opting out" in less than one week after making the
> call.
>
> PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, FRIENDS AND
> FAMILY.
>
> Here is the web site: <A
>
href"http://www.pirg.org/consumer/credit/bureaus.htm">http://www.pirg.org/co
nsumer/credit/bureaus.htm
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: credit reporting info] HOAX ALERT!!! |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis O'Connor" <doconnor@chartermi.net>
Those who are so stupid gullible that they believe a breathless announcement
that comes as an email that you MUST do this or that to avoid some
catastrophe, deserve exactly what they get...
Why are we wasting our time on OT crap trying to protect the stupid from
themselves?
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Housman" <RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: [Fwd: credit reporting info] HOAX ALERT!!!
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman"
<RobH@hyperion-ef.com>
>
> This is a HOAX.. For details go to http://police2.ucr.edu/hoax.html
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Europa XS Tri-Gear A070
> Airfarame complete
> Irvine, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Dan&Patty
> Krueger
> To: Martha Beck; Adolf Wenning; aeroelectric-list@matronics.com; Al
> Marretta; Ann & Grey Jewett
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: [Fwd: credit reporting info]
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dan&Patty Krueger
> <pndkrueg@infionline.net>
>
>
> From: "Betty Enfinger" <bettyenfinger@cox.net>
> To: "Mark Snyder" <marksnyder61@cox.net>,
> "Larry Spikes" <l.spikes@att.net>,
> "Francis Enfinger" <fenfinger@alaweb.com>,
> "Mark at Home" < enfinger@tampabay.rr.com>,
> "Lisa Jones" <lisajones@antelecom.net>,
> "Vivian Faircloth" <vfaircloth@iname.com>,
> "Susan Madden" <susanm@sscal.com>,
> "Rosie Taylor" <jsamtaylor@insightbb.com>,
> "Prentiss Frazier" <prentissntenny@aol.com>,
> "Patty Krueger" <pndkrueg@infionline.net>,
> "Pat Ready" <paradigm21@sprynet.com>,
> "Nancy Gressler" <nag@mymailstation.com>,
> "Marilyn at Work" <mmyers@banking.state.ar.us>,
> "Linda Tillery" <ltillery@cox.net>,
> "Jody Webb" <bowmantj@juno.com>,
> "Joan Highsmith" <whighsmith1@earthlink.net>,
> "Jill McMahon" <jmcmahon@adcodrywall.com>,
> "Helen Gibson" <helenkagib@arc.net>,
> "Gloria Dawson" <glodaw@juno.com>,
> "Gary Wilson" <ggdwilson@aol.com>,
> "Fred Schwenk" <fkschwenk@aol.com>,
> "Carmen Jones" < carmen.jones@amsouth.com>,
> "Barbara Paulin" <innerreach@juno.com>,
> "Barbara Allison Hurlbutt" <bah5292642@aol.com>
> Subject: credit reporting info
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 18:26:21 -0500
>
>
> To All,
> Very important...Please read...
>
> Your Credit: Personal Information goes public Starting July 1st, 2003,
> the four major credit bureaus in the US (Equifax, Experian, Trans Union,
> etc.) will be allowed to release credit info, mailing addresses, phone
> numbers, etc., to ANYONE who requests it. If you do not want to be
included
> in this release of your personal information, you can call 1-888-567-8688.
> Once the message starts you will want option #2 (even though option #1
> refers to this email, push #2) and then option #3.
>
> Be sure to listen closely, the first option is only for a two-year period.
> Make sure you! wait until they prompt for the third option, which opts
> you out FOREVER. You should receive their paperwork in the mail
confirming
> the "opting out" in less than one week after making the call.
>
> PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
>
> Here is the web site: http://www.pirg.org/consumer/credit/bureaus.htm
>
>
> <META content"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" nameGENERATOR>
>
> To All,
> Very important...Please read...
>
> Your Credit: Personal
> Information goes public Starting July 1st, 2003,
> the four major credit
> bureaus in the US (Equifax, Experian, Trans Union,etc.) will be allowed to
> release credit info, mailing addresses, phone numbers, etc., to ANYONE who
> requests it. If you do not want to be included in this release of your
> personal information, you can call 1-888-567-8688. Once the message starts
> you will want option #2 (even though option #1 refers to this email, push
> #2)
> and then option #3.
>
> Be sure to listen closely, the first option is only for a two-year
> period.
> Make sure you! wait until they prompt for the third option, which
> opts
> you out FOREVER. You should receive their paperwork in the mail
> confirmingthe "opting out" in less than one week after making the
> call.
>
> PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, FRIENDS AND
> FAMILY.
>
> Here is the web site: <A
>
href"http://www.pirg.org/consumer/credit/bureaus.htm">http://www.pirg.org/co
> nsumer/credit/bureaus.htm
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeffrey" <dump@relaypoint.net>
Where is a picture of Bob Archers Wingtip VOR antenna... I can't see to find
it searching the internet.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "ivorphillips" <ivor@ivorphillips.flyer.co.uk>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Yaesu Aviator Pilot
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "ivorphillips"
<ivor@ivorphillips.flyer.co.uk>
>
> I brought the Icon A23 from OSH last year expressly for the VOR backup
> facility, it worked fine on the ground around oskosh but on my first
flight
> in a europa tracking towards Dover VOR I was unable to get a stable signal
> until about 10 miles out at 3000 ft,
> On my own Europa I am at present fitting Bob archers wingtip VOR antenna
> which I am hoping will resolve the problem,
> Until my plane is flying I cant give a definite answer on the Icom except
> as a transceiver it is excellent.
>
> Ivor phillips
> europa XS and still building
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Yaesu Aviator Pilot
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins"
> <shauns@hevanet.com>
> >
> > At the risk of being confirmed a know-it-not,
> > I seem to recall that the VOR CDI works by detecting the
> > phase between two signals broadcast from the VOR station;
> > 10 degrees phase difference 10 degrees off track. Being
> > able to detect 1 degree of phase error reliably in a quiet
> > environment is a pretty impressive thing ( particularly back
> > in the mid-20th century when this system was invented )
> > and requires that both the transmitter and receiver conditions
> > be stable for it to work.
> >
> > I wonder if the reason that you can't get a stable signal is
> > because the antenna isn't locked down. Moving the antenna
> > around might change the received phase relationships radically
> > and unpredictably. Have you tried the CDI with the radio hooked
> > in to the plane's VOR antenna, or with the radio duct-taped to
> > the canopy?
> >
> > If it still doesn't work after that, well...have any ICOM portable
> > owners out there had similar problems?
> >
> > Shaun Simpkins
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Bob Archers Wingtip VOR antenna |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Is this what you are looking for?
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/sportcraft.htm
--- Jeffrey <dump@relaypoint.net> wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted
by:
"Jeffrey" <dump@relaypoint.net>
>
> Where is a picture of Bob Archers Wingtip VOR antenna... I can't see to find
> it searching the internet.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Randy Pflanzer <F1Rocket@comcast.net>
I have a picture of it in my construction photos. Go the the F1
Project page, and then go to the final bullet under "wings". It may or
may not be what you are looking for, but it shows how I installed the
antenna in my wingtip.
Randy
F1 Rocket
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/f1rocket/
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeffrey <dump@relaypoint.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Yaesu Aviator Pilot
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeffrey"
> <dump@relaypoint.net>
> Where is a picture of Bob Archers Wingtip VOR antenna... I can't
> see to find
> it searching the internet.
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ivorphillips" <ivor@ivorphillips.flyer.co.uk>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Yaesu Aviator Pilot
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "ivorphillips"
> <ivor@ivorphillips.flyer.co.uk>
> >
> > I brought the Icon A23 from OSH last year expressly for the VOR
> backup> facility, it worked fine on the ground around oskosh but
> on my first
> flight
> > in a europa tracking towards Dover VOR I was unable to get a
> stable signal
> > until about 10 miles out at 3000 ft,
> > On my own Europa I am at present fitting Bob archers wingtip VOR
> antenna> which I am hoping will resolve the problem,
> > Until my plane is flying I cant give a definite answer on the
> Icom except
> > as a transceiver it is excellent.
> >
> > Ivor phillips
> > europa XS and still building
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
> > To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Yaesu Aviator Pilot
> >
> >
> > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins"
> > <shauns@hevanet.com>
> > >
> > > At the risk of being confirmed a know-it-not,
> > > I seem to recall that the VOR CDI works by detecting the
> > > phase between two signals broadcast from the VOR station;
> > > 10 degrees phase difference 10 degrees off track. Being
> > > able to detect 1 degree of phase error reliably in a quiet
> > > environment is a pretty impressive thing ( particularly back
> > > in the mid-20th century when this system was invented )
> > > and requires that both the transmitter and receiver conditions
> > > be stable for it to work.
> > >
> > > I wonder if the reason that you can't get a stable signal is
> > > because the antenna isn't locked down. Moving the antenna
> > > around might change the received phase relationships radically
> > > and unpredictably. Have you tried the CDI with the radio hooked
> > > in to the plane's VOR antenna, or with the radio duct-taped to
> > > the canopy?
> > >
> > > If it still doesn't work after that, well...have any ICOM portable
> > > owners out there had similar problems?
> > >
> > > Shaun Simpkins
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: credit reporting info] HOAX ALERT!!! |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
Thanks for your helpful note, Denny. It certainly emphasizes the need for the
Delete button. I'm sure we'll all carefully consider your advice the next time
you post a note to this list.
Bill
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis O'Connor"
<doconnor@chartermi.net>
>
> Those who are so stupid gullible that they believe a breathless announcement
> that comes as an email that you MUST do this or that to avoid some
> catastrophe, deserve exactly what they get...
> Why are we wasting our time on OT crap trying to protect the stupid from
> themselves?
>
> Denny
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| Subject: | Shunt-parallelled alternators? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
I came across an interesting article the other day:
http://www.kellyaerospace.com/articles/VoltageReg.pdf
This article shows an aircraft electrical system that's quite
different than Bob's diagrams, and I wonder if Bob or others
would care to comment. Specifically:
1. The article shows a single electrical bus fed by two alternators.
(no essential bus)
2. The article promotes a type of regulator which permits load
balancing through a current-sensing circuit in each alternator
output and a feedback mechanism that allows the regulators
to balance their current outputs. They call this shunt-parallelling
and contrast it to field-parallelling, in which no current-sensing
is done.
3. Why is this type of regulator and electrical system design
desirable? It appears to be most relevant to twin engine aircraft...
4. This seems like an another way of providing automatic system
redundancy, with multiple power sources feeding the same bus.
If one alternator goes, it can be taken off line, but a reconfiguration of
the
system isn't necessary to keep operating. An essential bus
could be provided, but the Z-14 style electrical system with
manual crossfeeds and separated load/power groups would
appear to be unnecessary.
Just another rumination on trying to achieve a near-zero pilot intervention
redundant electrical system, like Cirrus'...
Shaun
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall connector |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
<Snip>
> >to make a modular system. Of course, the fewer connectors the better for
> >reliability, but in the right places they help in regards to
>maintainability
> >and upgrades.
>
> . . . and should NEVER be used to take wires through a firewall.
>
> Bob . . .
>
> Before I would say NEVER, I would like to see some spec
> on this
> connector, Don't just not use it because it is plastic, or
> fibreglass as some have a much better fire ratings than
> most other
> materials. Just look at what happened to the space
> shuttle when a
> piece broke off. Maybe Bob's never is some electrical
> reason? Still
> using my stainless tube with a welded flange and fire
> caulking.
>
> Ron Triano
The CPC connector housings are UL 94V-0 stabilized, heat resistant
thermoplastic.
This is the fire safety specification for most of the insulating
materials used
in commercial electronics. Do a websearch on "UL 94V-0" and you'll get
tens of thousands of hits. It's been awhile since I looked up the spec
but as I recall, the test says it won't sustain combustion on its own
and when it melts out of a fueled flame, the dripping matter is not
also flaming.
The specification says only that this material will not exacerbate
a fire, it says nothing about maintaining shape or strength while
subjected
to fire.
Operating temperature ratings of thermoplastics top out about 150
degrees C.
They wouldn't last but a minute or two in the fuel-fed flame tests
required of
all fire wall penetration techniques qualified for use on certified
aircraft.
Therefore I would say NEVER use these or any other plastic material in
a way
that might compromise firewall performance unless the manufacturer
specifically
states that his product has been tested for firewall service. To date, I
am aware of no plastic that would qualify and UL 94V-0 is certainly not
one of them.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Yaesu Aviator Pilot |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 11:02 AM 4/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeffrey" <dump@relaypoint.net>
>
>Where is a picture of Bob Archers Wingtip VOR antenna... I can't see to find
>it searching the internet.
>
>Jeff
http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/sportcraft.htm
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Shunt-parallelled alternators? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
This is fine if either alternator in the system is capable of handling full
system loads. The beauty of Bob's Endurance buss architecture is that with
the flip of a couple of switches you shed all the non-essential electrical
loads, without having to think about it. This simplifies a situation that
could tend to be stressful. If you lose the primary alternator flip these
two switches on and that one off. The load shedding procedure does not have
to be written on a checklist because it was designed into the system.
The alternative would be that if you lose the primary alternator you would
have to turn off all the circuits that you don't need until you get the
system to a point where the secondary alternator could keep up. Obviously
if either alternator could handle the load then this is a non-issue.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
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From: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Shunt-parallelled alternators?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins"
<shauns@hevanet.com>
>
> I came across an interesting article the other day:
> http://www.kellyaerospace.com/articles/VoltageReg.pdf
>
> This article shows an aircraft electrical system that's quite
> different than Bob's diagrams, and I wonder if Bob or others
> would care to comment. Specifically:
>
> 1. The article shows a single electrical bus fed by two alternators.
> (no essential bus)
>
> 2. The article promotes a type of regulator which permits load
> balancing through a current-sensing circuit in each alternator
> output and a feedback mechanism that allows the regulators
> to balance their current outputs. They call this shunt-parallelling
> and contrast it to field-parallelling, in which no current-sensing
> is done.
>
> 3. Why is this type of regulator and electrical system design
> desirable? It appears to be most relevant to twin engine aircraft...
>
> 4. This seems like an another way of providing automatic system
> redundancy, with multiple power sources feeding the same bus.
> If one alternator goes, it can be taken off line, but a
reconfiguration of the
> system isn't necessary to keep operating. An essential bus
> could be provided, but the Z-14 style electrical system with
> manual crossfeeds and separated load/power groups would
> appear to be unnecessary.
>
> Just another rumination on trying to achieve a near-zero pilot
intervention
> redundant electrical system, like Cirrus'...
>
> Shaun
>
>
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| Subject: | Comm VS VOR antenna |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Comm and VOR antennas are the same right?
If the above is correct, would a internal wing tip VOR antenna work better
than a VOR/COMM antenna on the belly?
Will the VOR internal wing tip antenna work as a COM antenna also?
The reason I am asking is that I want to add another antenna for my hand
held which will be used mainly for VOR's and secondary as a back up radio.
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: Shunt-parallelled alternators? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 12:36 PM 4/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
>
>I came across an interesting article the other day:
> http://www.kellyaerospace.com/articles/VoltageReg.pdf
>
>This article shows an aircraft electrical system that's quite
>different than Bob's diagrams, and I wonder if Bob or others
>would care to comment. Specifically:
>
>1. The article shows a single electrical bus fed by two alternators.
> (no essential bus)
>
>2. The article promotes a type of regulator which permits load
> balancing through a current-sensing circuit in each alternator
> output and a feedback mechanism that allows the regulators
> to balance their current outputs. They call this shunt-parallelling
> and contrast it to field-parallelling, in which no current-sensing
> is done.
>3. Why is this type of regulator and electrical system design
> desirable? It appears to be most relevant to twin engine aircraft...
Yup, it's a Band-Aid on a sorry design that has been
flying around in most light twins for 50+ years, first
with generators and more recently with alternators using
regulators specifically designed for paralleling.
I did a design for a regulator paralleling accessory
while employed at Electro-Mech more years ago than I
care to figure out right now. It too monitored the
shunt voltage of each alternator load-meter and
tweaked the input to one regulator (slave) to
make it track the other (master). This sytem was
proposed for the light twins and C-337 at Cessna.
We even fiddled with a brass-board of the same
system at B&C about ten years ago (remember that
one Dave?).
Turns out that if you're going to have two alternators,
there are far better architectures that allow each
to operate independently at what it does best and not
irritate a pilot because, "the right alternator is
carrying more load than the left one."
>4. This seems like an another way of providing automatic system
> redundancy, with multiple power sources feeding the same bus.
> If one alternator goes, it can be taken off line, but a
> reconfiguration of the
> system isn't necessary to keep operating. An essential bus
> could be provided, but the Z-14 style electrical system with
> manual crossfeeds and separated load/power groups would
> appear to be unnecessary.
But you still have one battery and one battery contactor. Loss
of the contactor puts the whole system at risk unless the
alternators have been specifically characterized for no-battery
operation.
>Just another rumination on trying to achieve a near-zero pilot intervention
>redundant electrical system, like Cirrus'...
I belive Cirrus uses the SD-20 and the standby version of
the regulator that goes with it. That system is described
in page 17-12 of the 'Connection and illustrated Figure 17-8.
I didn't include this option in the Z-drawings because
I consider this system to be a Band-Aid that could
be pasted into an existing system essentially
carved in stone. B&C has a fist full of STC'd kits to
put just such a patch on perhaps a dozen airplanes.
The Kelly ad promotes a reasonable thing to do to
an old airplane that doesn't cost a bizillion dollars.
We can do better with our OBAM ships.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: [Fwd: credit reporting info] HOAX ALERT!!! |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis O'Connor" <doconnor@chartermi.net>
Go for it, Bill...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: [Fwd: credit reporting info] HOAX ALERT!!!
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Steer" <bsteer@gwi.net>
>
> Thanks for your helpful note, Denny. It certainly emphasizes the need for
the
> Delete button. I'm sure we'll all carefully consider your advice the next
time
> you post a note to this list.
>
> Bill
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis O'Connor"
> <doconnor@chartermi.net>
> >
> > Those who are so stupid gullible that they believe a breathless
announcement
> > that comes as an email that you MUST do this or that to avoid some
> > catastrophe, deserve exactly what they get...
> > Why are we wasting our time on OT crap trying to protect the stupid from
> > themselves?
> >
> > Denny
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe" <David.vonLinsowe@delphi.com>
At 06:16 PM 4/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David.vonLinsowe"
><David.vonLinsowe@delphi.com>
>
>Bob,
>
>I went down to Sun-n-Fun to autopilot shop for my RV-6. I've been
doing
>research for some time and just needed a little more info before making
>the plunge.
>
>The problem with the Navaid
>is the way it will sometimes veer right or left when it's first engaged
>then realize it's off course and then correct. The manufacturer knows
>of the situation, but doesn't know why it behaves that way.
>
>I was wondering if you or anyone else out there has come up with a
>solution to the problem?
the Navaid hasn't been updated in a very long time. As I recall,
it's a pure analog servo system. He should be able to fix this
problem but for the price, perhaps the idiosyncrasies are
forgivable?
Bob . . .
Thanks Bob,
That's the direction I was leaning after SnF.
I just wanted to check before I dove into this and reinvented the
wheel...
Dave
RV-6
The need for (more) speed ---->
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| Subject: | Re: Comm VS VOR antenna |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dennis O'Connor" <doconnor@chartermi.net>
No.... The VOR antenna is resonated at a lower frequency than the COM...
However, it will work as an emergency antenna for the handheld with some
signal loss....
>
> Comm and VOR antennas are the same right?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Comm VS VOR antenna |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 4/25/03 4:18:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
doconnor@chartermi.net writes:
> No.... The VOR antenna is resonated at a lower frequency than the COM...
> However, it will work as an emergency antenna for the handheld with some
> signal loss....
>
> >
> >Comm and VOR antennas are the same right?
>
Good Afternoon,
In addition, the comm signal is transmitted in a vertical mode. The
receiving antenna will work best when it is vertical as well. The VOR works
in a horizontal plane, Therefore the VOR signal will be best received by an
antenna oriented in the horizontal plane.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Comm VS VOR antenna |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
No VOR is a NAV antenna, Comm is the transmit and receive antenna. Generally
a single vertical whip is the comm, two whips horizontal that create a V are
the VOR which receives only.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Actively supporting Aeroncas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Comm VS VOR antenna
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> Comm and VOR antennas are the same right?
>
> If the above is correct, would a internal wing tip VOR antenna work better
> than a VOR/COMM antenna on the belly?
>
> Will the VOR internal wing tip antenna work as a COM antenna also?
>
> The reason I am asking is that I want to add another antenna for my hand
> held which will be used mainly for VOR's and secondary as a back up radio.
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | [Fwd: credit reporting info] HOAX ALERT!!! |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Because we are human an care maybe just a little about our RV brothers and
sisters who may not be as smart or as informed as some seem to be.
James
> Why are we wasting our time on OT crap trying to protect the stupid from
> themselves?
>
>
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