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Fri 05/16/03


Total Messages Posted: 14



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     1. 04:18 AM - Source of Acme drives (Ida Covey)
     2. 05:17 AM - redundant electrical systems (Gary Casey)
     3. 05:32 AM - Re: redundant electrical systems (BobsV35B@aol.com)
     4. 06:25 AM - Re: Source of Acme drives (Phil Birkelbach)
     5. 07:46 AM - Re: Feedback on the active noise headset (Denis Walsh)
     6. 08:00 AM - Voyager electrics (William Mills)
     7. 08:00 AM - Re: Source of Acme drives (David Burton)
     8. 09:58 AM - Re: Voyager electrics (David Swartzendruber)
     9. 11:27 AM - Avogadro's Number (Dan Morrow)
    10. 01:34 PM - Re: Voyager electrics (Gilles.Thesee)
    11. 06:08 PM - Re: OV circuit breaker tripping (RVEIGHTA@aol.com)
    12. 08:18 PM - Re: Fw: Electric Bob - Microair Radio-Xpdr Wire Harness (Rick Fogerson)
    13. 09:39 PM - Re: Cheap blind encoder.  (royt.or)
    14. 09:52 PM - Re: Fw: Electric Bob - Microair Radio-Xpdr  (richard@riley.net)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:18:26 AM PST US
    From: "Ida Covey" <ICOVEY@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Source of Acme drives
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ida Covey" <ICOVEY@nc.rr.com> Does anyone know of a source of small Acme drives? I'm looking for something to be manually operated with an operating range of 1.5 to 2 inches, about 3/16 or 1/4 inch diameter. I plan to use it to load a spring for a manual rudder trim in a Glasair. Thanks, BJC


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    Time: 05:17:09 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>
    Subject: redundant electrical systems
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net> Anyone know what type of electrical system was on the Voyager? Just curious how they handled the redundancy question.


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    Time: 05:32:03 AM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: redundant electrical systems
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com In a message dated 5/16/03 7:17:36 AM Central Daylight Time, glcasey@adelphia.net writes: > Anyone know what type of electrical system was on the Voyager? Just curious > how they handled the redundancy question. > Good Morning Gary, I don't know anything about the Voyager, but it has been said that the very first Twin Beeches (Model 18) had two entirely separate electrical systems. One for each engine. I have never seen one in that configuration. Most were converted to a balanced system along the way. I was told that each side had it's own twelve volt battery in the wing near the nacelle. Some of the electrical components had single pole, double throw, center off switches. The pilot could select which system would supply the equipment. Others were only connected to one side or the other. For a twin, that has possibilities! Happy Skies, Old Bob


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    Time: 06:25:26 AM PST US
    From: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
    Subject: Re: Source of Acme drives
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net> Don't know of an 'Acme drive' that small, but the Ray Allen servos would probalby fit the bill and they are designed specifically to be trim servos. They may not have quite the travel that you are looking for but the are torquey little beasts and you could rig a small lever mechanism. This is the way the aileron trim is done on the RV's. Here is a picture of the aileron trim servo installation in my RV-7. I don't know if you can tell exactly how it works from the photo but it may help... http://www.myrv7.com/viewimage.php?pictureid=247 Here is a link to Ray Allen Company... http://www.rayallencompany.com/ Godspeed, Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage http://www.myrv7.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ida Covey" <ICOVEY@nc.rr.com> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Source of Acme drives > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ida Covey" <ICOVEY@nc.rr.com> > > Does anyone know of a source of small Acme drives? I'm looking for > something to be manually operated with an operating range of 1.5 to 2 > inches, about 3/16 or 1/4 inch diameter. I plan to use it to load a spring > for a manual rudder trim in a Glasair. > > Thanks, > > BJC > >


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    Time: 07:46:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Feedback on the active noise headset
    conversion
    From: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@attbi.com>
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh@attbi.com> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tom..." <tsled@pacbell.net> > > Hiya Gents, > > about two years ago I was flying a gyro with a Subaru engine just a few feet > behind my head. I was using my old Army helicopter helmet and the engine > was way too loud. I sent it in to this same place (it was much smaller > then, the owner was/is a Brazilia pilot) they did a fantastic job! I could > star the engine, taxi out, go to full revs, click on the AN and just hear a > small hum of the engine in the background. Sweet....! > > Tom... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > William Slaughter > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Feedback on the active noise headset > conversion > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "William Slaughter" > <willslau@alumni.rice.edu> > > I recently had a pair of David Clarks converted by Headsets, Inc. and am > very pleased with the result. I shipped mine in for conversion at their > facility, but they have a kit for do-it-yourself. You can check all of the > options and prices on their website at www.headsetsinc.com > Highly recommended. > > William Slaughter > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ian > Scott > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Feedback on the active noise headset > conversion > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ian Scott" <jabiru22@yahoo.com.au> > > I was wondering if anyone had upgraded their normal headsets to active > noise reduction and what the results where like? I.e. the kit that > replaces the innards for your old headset. > > Prices a paid & results and so on? > > Thanks > > Ian > Done it twice. Peltors. Works good last long. The second one showed some improvements. Good company. Need a soldering iron, and bout $200. A little less for other brands. The ANR performance is at least as good as the others. If you have a headset you really like, it is the way to go. If you are starting from scratch it is a tougher choice to make. Denis


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    Time: 08:00:02 AM PST US
    From: William Mills <courierboy@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Voyager electrics
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: William Mills <courierboy@earthlink.net> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net> > >Anyone know what type of electrical system was on the Voyager? Just curious >how they handled the redundancy question. Don't know if Bob designed the system/s but I think it had B and C alternators/PMGs, and regulators. He has mentioned it here, but only briefly if I recall. Bet he could tell us lots about that plane. Bill


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    Time: 08:00:43 AM PST US
    From: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com>
    Subject: Re: Source of Acme drives
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Burton" <dburton@nwlink.com> Take a look at "Small Parts". It is a great resource. We purchase a lot of items from them. Prices are not great, but if you only need a few of something they sell in small quantities. I purchase stuff from them often for a project because I can find everything I need at one place. http://www.smallparts.com/


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    Time: 09:58:30 AM PST US
    From: "David Swartzendruber" <dswartzendruber@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Voyager electrics
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Swartzendruber" <dswartzendruber@earthlink.net> Bob designed the regulators that were used on the Voyager, the LR-1's. This was the predecessor to the LR-3 that B&C now sells. The alternators were not original B&C designs. I believe that B&C procured some OEM type alternators from AeroElectric in Wichita, (now a Kelly Aerospace division called Turbine Rotables, no connection with Bob's AeroElectric name), and performed some type of modification to them. I have no idea how the power distribution system was configured on the Voyager, Bob probably does. Dave in Wichita > > > >Anyone know what type of electrical system was on the Voyager? Just > curious > >how they handled the redundancy question. > > > Don't know if Bob designed the system/s but I think it had B and C > alternators/PMGs, and regulators. > > He has mentioned it here, but only briefly if I recall. Bet he could > tell us lots about that plane. > > Bill >


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    Time: 11:27:49 AM PST US
    From: "Dan Morrow" <DanFM01@butter.toast.net>
    Subject: Avogadro's Number
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Morrow" <DanFM01@butter.toast.net> The National Institute of Technology and Standards (formerly known as the Bureau of Standards) gives this value for Avogadro's number: Avogadro constant 6.022 141 99 x 10E23 Standard uncertainty 0.000 000 47 x 10E23 See http://www.physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Results?search_for=avogadro%27s+numb er Since this is the government speaking, that must be right, huh? Actually, the NIST site, http://www.nist.gov/ is a good source for conversions factors and constants of all sorts. Dan Morrow RV8A Building Empennage slowly


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    Time: 01:34:08 PM PST US
    From: "Gilles.Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Subject: Re: Voyager electrics
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr> > > > > > >Anyone know what type of electrical system was on the Voyager? Just > > curious > > >how they handled the redundancy question. > > > > > > Don't know if Bob designed the system/s but I think it had B and C > > alternators/PMGs, and regulators. > > > > He has mentioned it here, but only briefly if I recall. Bet he could > > tell us lots about that plane. > > > > Bill > > > Hi all, I believe Jim Weir also esigned some antennas and maybe some parts of the electrical system too. Gilles


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    Time: 06:08:58 PM PST US
    From: RVEIGHTA@aol.com
    Subject: Re: OV circuit breaker tripping
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RVEIGHTA@aol.com Bob, yep, I get the "clunk" when I turn on the master. I also checked my installation and the ground wire to the firewall is there, so that's not the problem. Walt


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    Time: 08:18:09 PM PST US
    From: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
    Subject: Re: Fw: Electric Bob - Microair Radio-Xpdr Wire Harness
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net> Do not archive I would like the harness for the Microair radio and transponder. Let me know what and how you want me to pay. Thanks, Rick Fogerson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Fw: Electric Bob - Microair Radio-Xpdr Wire Harness > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net> > > At 10:23 PM 5/13/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net> > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Rick Fogerson > >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Microair Radio-Xpdr Wire Harness > > > > > >Hi Bob, > >Are you going to be selling wiring harness's for the Microair radio or > >xpdr anytime soon? > >Rick Fogerson > > Yes, I need to make some up tomorrow morning. Which ones do you > want? > > > Bob . . . > > -------------------------------------------- > ( Knowing about a thing is different than ) > ( understanding it. One can know a lot ) > ( and still understand nothing. ) > ( C.F. Kettering ) > -------------------------------------------- > >


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    Time: 09:39:57 PM PST US
    From: "royt.or" <royt.or@netzero.net>
    Subject: Re: Cheap blind encoder.
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "royt.or" <royt.or@netzero.net> Another encoder option to consider, especially with GNS430 is the microEncoder from Rocky Mountain Instruments. http://www.rkymtn.com/. At $879 for the kit version, it is not cheap as encoders go, but it is inexpensive for the added capabilities it enables in the GNS430. In addition to being an encoder, the microEncoder displays and can supply the GPS with altimeter setting, airspeed, vertical speed, OAT, and with the optional $250 compass module, the magnetic heading. Not having to enter this information manually into the GPS sure seems like it will reduce pilot workload. I just completed my 3rd flight on my (over equipped?) plane and it was cool to have the wind vector arrow in the GNS430. The Air Data computers reviewed in May '03 The Aviation Consumer cost ~$3000 to provide this information. Granted the $3K air data computers supply fuel flow/capacity information also. Too bad the fuel totalizer in my EIS does not output information for the GPS also. My panel was built by Pacific Coast avionics. I'm using a Garmin GTX327 transponder. I'm not certain which communication interface goes between the units, but I don't believe there were any diodes included. I can get more details if needed. One other Garmin feature: I have my GNS430 linked to my portable GPSMAP 295, so that the flight plan in the GNS430 is automatically loaded into the GPSMAP 295. That way if I lose my GNS430 for some reason, my GPSMAP 295 has my flight plan. If the GPSMAP 295 loses ships power, it switches to it's internal batteries AND has my flight plan loaded. Regards, Roy (Zenith CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912S, all electric IFR "on a budget". First flight 5/12/03) (For quicker email response from me use royDOTthomaATintel.com)


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    Time: 09:52:27 PM PST US
    From: richard@riley.net
    Subject: Re: Fw: Electric Bob - Microair Radio-Xpdr
    Wire Harness --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net I need a transponder harness too. Let me know the payment specs, it's on it's way At 09:19 PM 5/16/03 -0600, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net> > >Do not archive >I would like the harness for the Microair radio and transponder. Let me >know what and how you want me to pay. >Thanks, Rick Fogerson >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net> >To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Fw: Electric Bob - Microair Radio-Xpdr Wire >Harness > > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" ><bob.nuckolls@cox.net> > > > > At 10:23 PM 5/13/2003 -0600, you wrote: > > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" ><rickf@cableone.net> > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Rick Fogerson > > >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > >Subject: Microair Radio-Xpdr Wire Harness > > > > > > > > >Hi Bob, > > >Are you going to be selling wiring harness's for the Microair radio or > > >xpdr anytime soon? > > >Rick Fogerson > > > > Yes, I need to make some up tomorrow morning. Which ones do you > > want? > > > > > > Bob . . . > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > ( Knowing about a thing is different than ) > > ( understanding it. One can know a lot ) > > ( and still understand nothing. ) > > ( C.F. Kettering ) > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > >




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