Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:52 AM - MCR 4S fwing and flap system (Gilles.Thesee)
2. 07:31 AM - Stick It-Your-Ear Headsets (Richard V. Reynolds)
3. 07:45 AM - Re: Stick It-Your-Ear Headsets (BobsV35B@aol.com)
4. 08:22 AM - Re: Stick It-Your-Ear Headsets (Carlos Sa)
5. 08:28 AM - Re: Stick It-Your-Ear Headsets (Carlos Sa)
6. 08:56 AM - 90 degree BNC Connectors (Charles Brame)
7. 09:01 AM - Re: Stick It-Your-Ear Headsets (Melvinke@aol.com)
8. 09:20 AM - Re: 90 degree BNC Connectors (DHPHKH@aol.com)
9. 10:14 AM - Re: 90 degree BNC Connectors (Chris Stone)
10. 10:21 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 05/22/03 (MikeM)
11. 10:40 AM - Alternator Repair (Tom Nalevanko)
12. 10:59 AM - Re: Any standard for keyswitch orientation ? (Gilles.Thesee)
13. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 15 Msgs - (Scott Bilinski)
14. 01:56 PM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 05/22/03 (Don Honabach)
15. 02:40 PM - Re: Alternator Repair (RSwanson)
16. 03:48 PM - RFI and Grounds... (Canyon)
17. 04:32 PM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 05/22/03 (Duncan McBride)
18. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 05/22/03 (Duncan McBride)
19. 04:51 PM - Re: RFI and Grounds... (Richard Tasker)
20. 08:28 PM - Re: RFI and Grounds... (Tom...)
21. 09:39 PM - Electric Bob - Microair Radio-Xpdr Wire Harness (Rick Fogerson)
22. 10:10 PM - Electric Bob-Battery Contacter and Relay Questions (Rick Fogerson)
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| Subject: | MCR 4S fwing and flap system |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Hi all,
For those interested in learning more about our project, I posted an article
from Pilot magazine at the following URL :
http://gilles.thesee.free.fr/temp/Pilot100Yrs-06-164.pdf
It describes the design of the wing and flaps of the MCR 4S.
We're building the rotax 914 version.
Regards,
Gilles
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| Subject: | Stick It-Your-Ear Headsets |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds@macs.net>
Does anyone have experience with either the
Panther CAT in-the-ear headset
Quiet Technology AuriComm in-the-ear headset
Richard Reynolds
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| Subject: | Re: Stick It-Your-Ear Headsets |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 5/23/03 9:32:36 AM Central Daylight Time,
rvreynolds@macs.net writes:
> Does anyone have experience with either the
>
> Panther CAT in-the-ear headset
>
> Quiet Technology AuriComm in-the-ear headset
>
> Richard Reynolds
>
Good Morning Richard,
Can you supply a site at which they might be viewed?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Stick It-Your-Ear Headsets |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
http://www.quiettechnologies.com/index_004.htm
> > Does anyone have experience with either the
> >
> > Panther CAT in-the-ear headset
> >
> > Quiet Technology AuriComm in-the-ear headset
> >
> > Richard Reynolds
> >
> Good Morning Richard,
>
> Can you supply a site at which they might be viewed?
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Stick It-Your-Ear Headsets |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
This is the main URL (the previous one was for just one frame)
http://www.quiettechnologies.com/
> > Does anyone have experience with either the
> >
> > Panther CAT in-the-ear headset
> >
> > Quiet Technology AuriComm in-the-ear headset
> >
> > Richard Reynolds
> >
> Good Morning Richard,
>
> Can you supply a site at which they might be viewed?
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
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| Subject: | 90 degree BNC Connectors |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charles Brame <charleyb@earthlink.net>
90 degree BNC Connectors would make my antenna connections easier and
more hidden.
Do such critters exist?
Is there a reasonable source for 90 connectors?
Any pros or cons to their use?
Charlie
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
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| Subject: | Re: Stick It-Your-Ear Headsets |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Melvinke@aol.com
Having both Bose and Lightspeed noisecancelling headsets, and doubting that
anything could be better, I was surprised and delighted to find the Panther
unit even better, and certainly more comfortable. No more losing the headset with
aerobatics and other higher G maneuvers. I personally prefer the Panther to
anything else I have tried.
Kenneth Melvin
RV4
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| Subject: | Re: 90 degree BNC Connectors |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: DHPHKH@aol.com
Charlie,
I asked the same question a few months back. There are a few expensive
ones. None seem to be crimp-on. The easy way is a 90 degree male-female BNC
adapter from Radio Shack.
Dan
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| Subject: | 90 degree BNC Connectors |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Chris Stone" <Chris.Stone@a-dec.com>
Try:
www.pasternack.com/pdf/parts/pe9085.pdf
Or
www.pasternack.com
Products
Adapters
BNC male
BNC female
You should see a list of various BNC adapters including 90
Chris Stone
RV-8 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Brame [mailto:charleyb@earthlink.net]
Subject: AeroElectric-List: 90 degree BNC Connectors
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charles Brame
--> <charleyb@earthlink.net>
90 degree BNC Connectors would make my antenna connections easier and more hidden.
Do such critters exist?
Is there a reasonable source for 90 connectors?
Any pros or cons to their use?
Charlie
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 05/22/03 |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeM <mladejov@ced.utah.edu>
> From: Duncan McBride <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Headphone noise on transmit
> .....
> but if anything
> occurs to you that would help me zero in on the cause of the noise, I'd be
> grateful.
>
> Duncan
Duncan,
When you wired you PTT switch, where did you ground it? It
should be grounded at the same place your COM is grounded,
not to some other place in the airframe...
MikeM
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| Subject: | Alternator Repair |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tom Nalevanko <tom@websiteasp.com>
Our EAA Chapter 723 in Camarillo, CA has been donated an older Sears
Model No. 580.326010, 4500 Watt Heavy Duty Portable Alternator. When
started, the gas engine runs great but the voltage from the 120VAC
outlet is only 12 VAC (low by a factor of 10). My suspicion is that the
Voltage Regulator (a solid state "voltage over frequency" regulator)
which is inline with the Rotor Field Winding is defective. A new one
costs about $200 with tax and shipping. As you may know, EAAsters avoid
spending $$$ on non-flying stuff unless absolutely necessary<g>.
Does anyone have any ideas on this? Does my suspected cause sound
reasonable? Any ideas whether the voltage regulator might be available
other than thru Sears? The voltage regulator has a 6 conductor plug.
Any help would be appreciated.
Blue skies,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Any standard for keyswitch orientation ? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
----- Message d'origine -----
De : "David Swartzendruber" <dswartzendruber@earthlink.net>
: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Envoy : jeudi 22 mai 2003 20:54
Objet : RE: AeroElectric-List: Any standard for keyswitch orientation ?
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Swartzendruber"
<dswartzendruber@earthlink.net>
>
> I don't know if it's a standard, but the current production Cessna
> Singles have the off position at 10 o'clock, R at 11 o'clock, L at 12
> o'clock, BOTH at 1 o'clock and START at 2 o'clock.
>
> Dave in Wichita
Dave,
Thanks for the info.
Gilles
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 15 Msgs - |
05/22/03
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
This brings up a question I have been thinking about for a while now and
that is, Isnt ground, ground? In the case of a metal airplane the whole
thing is a ground. How does it matter where things are grounded? Isnt it
all the same?
At 11:19 AM 5/23/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeM <mladejov@ced.utah.edu>
>
>> From: Duncan McBride <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Headphone noise on transmit
>> .....
>> but if anything
>> occurs to you that would help me zero in on the cause of the noise, I'd be
>> grateful.
>>
>> Duncan
>
>Duncan,
>
>When you wired you PTT switch, where did you ground it? It
>should be grounded at the same place your COM is grounded,
>not to some other place in the airframe...
>
>MikeM
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 05/22/03 |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Don Honabach" <don@pcperfect.com>
Scott,
>> Isnt ground, ground?
I'm sure Bob has a better answer to this, but if I understand things
properly having a common ground point for all devices can help minimize
problems with more sensitive devices that tend to be affected by noise
and/or by ground loop issues.
For a poor analogy, aren't all women the same? The answer to many is
yes, but experience has taught us that being 'connected' to many women
can lead to problems (smile).
Regards,
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Bilinski [mailto:bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com]
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 15 Msgs -
05/22/03
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
--> <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
This brings up a question I have been thinking about for a while now and
that is, Isnt ground, ground? In the case of a metal airplane the whole
thing is a ground. How does it matter where things are grounded? Isnt it
all the same?
At 11:19 AM 5/23/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeM <mladejov@ced.utah.edu>
>
>> From: Duncan McBride <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Headphone noise on transmit .....
>> but if anything
>> occurs to you that would help me zero in on the cause of the noise,
I'd be
>> grateful.
>>
>> Duncan
>
>Duncan,
>
>When you wired you PTT switch, where did you ground it? It should be
>grounded at the same place your COM is grounded, not to some other
>place in the airframe...
>
>MikeM
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Repair |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RSwanson <rswan19@comcast.net>
I had a very similar situation with a generator that had not been used in a
while. I talked to a man at an electric shop and he said to wire a light
bulb in series with two male plugs, start the generator, plug one end in
the generator and the other to an AC plug. He said it would blow the
bulb, but fix the problem. Believe it not it worked, until it was started
again and it was like it was before the bulb treatment. I did some trouble
shooting with the generator running. This particular generator also puts
out 14 v. dc. While I was checking I accidentally shorted the 14 v.
positive to the ac terminal. The engine speed went down from the load, and
I figured 'great, probably smoked the whole thing', but no, it works
perfectly. My son has it now and if it's not used often, you have to short
the 14 v positive to the ac terminal and it works great. Don't ask me what
it 's doing, I just telling you the results.
R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Nalevanko" <tom@websiteasp.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Alternator Repair
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tom Nalevanko
<tom@websiteasp.com>
>
> Our EAA Chapter 723 in Camarillo, CA has been donated an older Sears
> Model No. 580.326010, 4500 Watt Heavy Duty Portable Alternator. When
> started, the gas engine runs great but the voltage from the 120VAC
> outlet is only 12 VAC (low by a factor of 10). My suspicion is that the
> Voltage Regulator (a solid state "voltage over frequency" regulator)
> which is inline with the Rotor Field Winding is defective. A new one
> costs about $200 with tax and shipping. As you may know, EAAsters avoid
> spending $$$ on non-flying stuff unless absolutely necessary<g>.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on this? Does my suspected cause sound
> reasonable? Any ideas whether the voltage regulator might be available
> other than thru Sears? The voltage regulator has a 6 conductor plug.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Blue skies,
>
> Tom
>
>
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| Subject: | RFI and Grounds... |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Scott Bilinski wrote:
>This brings up a question I have been thinking about for a while now and
>that is, Isnt ground, ground? In the case of a metal airplane the whole
>thing is a ground. How does it matter where things are grounded? Isnt it
>all the same?
---
Not trying to play games here -- simply proposing a couple things to
ponder. I have trained many ETs through the years and their training
all started with a couple simple ideas to ponder.
1. Is there any such thing as a short circuit?
2. Can two wires occupying the same physical space and carrying equal
currents of opposite polarity radiate energy externally?
Think about it and when you answer, I'll gauge your expertise from your
answer and elaborate appropriately when I can get a little more time to
be complete. Real short of time for the next few hours. :-)
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 05/22/03 |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Duncan McBride <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
It is grounded at the same panel ground as the 760 COM - an AN3 bolt that
connects all the ground lines to an AWG 16 wire directly to the battery -
the battery is in the nose for balance so it's a short line.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MikeM" <mladejov@ced.utah.edu>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 05/22/03
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeM <mladejov@ced.utah.edu>
>
> > From: Duncan McBride <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Headphone noise on transmit
> > .....
> > but if anything
> > occurs to you that would help me zero in on the cause of the noise, I'd
be
> > grateful.
> >
> > Duncan
>
> Duncan,
>
> When you wired you PTT switch, where did you ground it? It
> should be grounded at the same place your COM is grounded,
> not to some other place in the airframe...
>
> MikeM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 15 Msgs - 05/22/03 |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Duncan McBride <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
You are a perfect candidate for the Book. See http://www.aeroelectric.com/
and buy Bob Nuckoll's book. It has answered a hundred questions such as
yours, and knowing it's on the shelf makes me feel a little less guilty for
the help I get on this list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Bilinski" <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 15 Msgs -
05/22/03
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski
<bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
>
> This brings up a question I have been thinking about for a while now and
> that is, Isnt ground, ground? In the case of a metal airplane the whole
> thing is a ground. How does it matter where things are grounded? Isnt it
> all the same?
>
>
> At 11:19 AM 5/23/03 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeM <mladejov@ced.utah.edu>
> >
> >> From: Duncan McBride <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
> >> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Headphone noise on transmit
> >> .....
> >> but if anything
> >> occurs to you that would help me zero in on the cause of the noise, I'd
be
> >> grateful.
> >>
> >> Duncan
> >
> >Duncan,
> >
> >When you wired you PTT switch, where did you ground it? It
> >should be grounded at the same place your COM is grounded,
> >not to some other place in the airframe...
> >
> >MikeM
> >
> >
>
>
> Scott Bilinski
> Eng dept 305
> Phone (858) 657-2536
> Pager (858) 502-5190
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RFI and Grounds... |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
What is your definition of a "short circuit"?
Two wires cannot occupy the same physical space in our universe, so what
do you really mean?
Canyon wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
>
>Scott Bilinski wrote:
>
>
>>This brings up a question I have been thinking about for a while now and
>>that is, Isnt ground, ground? In the case of a metal airplane the whole
>>thing is a ground. How does it matter where things are grounded? Isnt it
>>all the same?
>>
>>
>---
>Not trying to play games here -- simply proposing a couple things to
>ponder. I have trained many ETs through the years and their training
>all started with a couple simple ideas to ponder.
>
>1. Is there any such thing as a short circuit?
>
>2. Can two wires occupying the same physical space and carrying equal
>currents of opposite polarity radiate energy externally?
>
>Think about it and when you answer, I'll gauge your expertise from your
>answer and elaborate appropriately when I can get a little more time to
>be complete. Real short of time for the next few hours. :-)
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RFI and Grounds... |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tom..." <tsled@pacbell.net>
Heya Steve,
Oh yes! Set a pair of your old pliers across the terminals of your car
battery and you will have a full understanding of what a short is and what
one can do.
Tom...
>1. Is there any such thing as a short circuit?
>Steve
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| Subject: | Electric Bob - Microair Radio-Xpdr Wire Harness |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Fw: Electric Bob - Microair Radio-Xpdr Wire
Harness
> Do not archive
> I would like the harness for the Microair radio and transponder. Let me
> know what and how you want me to pay.
> Thanks, Rick Fogerson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Fw: Electric Bob - Microair Radio-Xpdr
Wire
> Harness
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
> >
> > At 10:23 PM 5/13/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson"
> <rickf@cableone.net>
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Rick Fogerson
> > >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: Microair Radio-Xpdr Wire Harness
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi Bob,
> > >Are you going to be selling wiring harness's for the Microair radio or
> > >xpdr anytime soon?
> > >Rick Fogerson
> >
> > Yes, I need to make some up tomorrow morning. Which ones do you
> > want?
> >
> >
> > Bob . . .
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> > ( Knowing about a thing is different than )
> > ( understanding it. One can know a lot )
> > ( and still understand nothing. )
> > ( C.F. Kettering )
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Electric Bob-Battery Contacter and Relay Questions |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
Hi Bob,
Re the B&C battery contactor: Your wiring diagrams seem to indicate that a diode
goes between the Battery post and the smaller terminal closest to it. My contactors
actually have a plain wire jumper between the Battery post and the smaller
terminal closest to it and the diode wired between the two small terminals.
Is is this correct?
Re the S704-1 relay (used to switch power for >7A power when batterys are located
in the rear): Does it matter which one of the two solenoid terminals that
power is hooked to? The one closest to the com terminal or the one below it?
Also, your wiring diagram for the relays shows the NO terminal jumpered to a solenoid
terminal and the two solenoid terminals connected with a 1N4005 diode.
Are these external jumpers and diodes that I have to add or are these internal
to the relay?
Thanks,
Rick Fogerson
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