---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/18/03: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:33 AM - Please do not archive (Sam Hoskins) 2. 04:31 AM - Re: Please do not archive (Jon Finley) 3. 05:00 AM - Radio Noise (RVEIGHTA@aol.com) 4. 05:01 AM - Re: Please do not archive / do not crash (Carlos Sa) 5. 05:46 AM - Re: GPS antenna in wingtip? (Robert Miller) 6. 05:47 AM - Switches () 7. 05:51 AM - Re: Radio Noise (Benford2@aol.com) 8. 06:07 AM - Automobile lights (BAKEROCB@aol.com) 9. 06:17 AM - Re: Windows crashes (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 10. 06:31 AM - Re: Automobile lights (Mark Steitle) 11. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: Windows crashes (Rob Housman) 12. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Windows crashes () 13. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Windows crashes (Carlos Sa) 14. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: Windows crashes (klwerner@comcast.net) 15. 09:18 AM - Re: Pilot Automotive landing lights (rwilliams) 16. 10:07 AM - Re: Switches (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 17. 10:11 AM - Re: Radio Noise (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 18. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: Windows crashes (Bert Penney) 19. 10:48 AM - Re: Pilot Automotive landing lights (Rob Housman) 20. 11:43 AM - Re: Pilot Automotive landing lights (Mark Steitle) 21. 12:30 PM - Re: Re: Windows crashes (Cy Galley) 22. 12:57 PM - Re: Pilot Automotive landing lights (Scot Stambaugh) 23. 02:00 PM - Re: Pilot Automotive landing lights (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 24. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: Windows crashes (klwerner@comcast.net) 25. 03:11 PM - Re[2]: Re: Windows crashes (Freddie Freeloader) 26. 03:13 PM - Thanks... (David J. Spencer) 27. 04:00 PM - Re: Push-to-test, indicator lamps, etc. (Neville Kilford) 28. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: Windows crashes (fellowsw) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:59 AM PST US From: "Sam Hoskins" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Please do not archive --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins" Aero list guys, Just out of curiosity, is the archiving done automatically, or does a person do it? If you say "Please do not archive" does that really keep the post out of the record? Just curious. Sam Hoskins Quickie Q-200, ready to get back in the air. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:49 AM PST US From: "Jon Finley" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Please do not archive --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jon Finley" Hi Sam, Automatically. Basically, this string of text (DO NOT ARCHIVE) tells the message processing engine to NOT add the message to the archive. It is very similar to the DO NOT CRASH switch on our planes. Check out the AeroElectric list FAQ (http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm) and search for "DO NOT ARCHIVE". Jon DO NOT ARCHIVE > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Sam Hoskins > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:34 AM > To: Aerolectric List > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Please do not archive > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Hoskins" > --> > > Aero list guys, > > Just out of curiosity, is the archiving done automatically, > or does a person do it? > > If you say "Please do not archive" does that really keep the > post out of the record? > > Just curious. > > Sam Hoskins > Quickie Q-200, ready to get back in the air. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:41 AM PST US From: RVEIGHTA@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Radio Noise --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RVEIGHTA@aol.com Bob, I have a Microair radio which has worked perfectly during taxi tests of my RV-8A, but recently on my first flight, although my ground crew had heard me perfectly when I taxiied out to the runway, once I was in the air, they heard nothing but static when I transmitted. I have since tracked the noise down to my turn coordinator. When the turn coordinator is not running, transmissions are clear. When it is, i'm unreadable. Does the turn coordinator require a shielded power supply wire? Walt Shipley ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:18 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Please do not archive / do not crash --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Carlos Sa Where can I get a "do not crash" switch? I'd like to install one on Windows. Carlos (just to be sure, do not archive) --- Jon Finley wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jon Finley" > > Hi Sam, > > Automatically. Basically, this string of text (DO NOT ARCHIVE) tells > the message processing engine to NOT add the message to the archive. It > is very similar to the DO NOT CRASH switch on our planes. > > Check out the AeroElectric list FAQ > (http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm) and search for "DO > NOT ARCHIVE". > > Jon > DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:12 AM PST US From: Robert Miller Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: GPS antenna in wingtip? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Robert Miller Any photos of this available? Thanks. Robert Mark Phillips wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Phillips > > Another option for GPS antenna location for tip-ups is on top of the support > channel for the cabin frame. Lower the front edge to be flush with the bottom of > the rollbar and mount the rear a half inch or so lower than shown in the plans. > (this was blessed by a call to Vans support) My Garmin 35 sits nicely on top of > the channel. I originally did this to make the glass easier to clean, and saw it > would be a good spot for the reciever... > > >From The PossumWorks in TN > Mark -6A FWF "almost" done, staring at emp fairing... ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:26 AM PST US From: <315@cox.net> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Switches --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <315@cox.net> Hi Bob, I ordered the S700-2-3 2 position switch based on page 11-18 of the "Connection" where you mention that it is recommended for combination battery-master/alternator-field switching. I installed it not utilizing the upper poles. In the down position all is off. In the up postion both the battery and the alternator contactors are energized. Now looking at: http://216.55.140.222/temp/Switches.pdf I see the labeling of the switch for "DC Power master, Battery" appears to show an Off-On-On 3 position switch where the battery can be turned on by itself and then the alternator can be engaged. I would like to be able to turn on the battery without the alternator for power supply without the alternator energized. I don't see an Off-On-On switch listed on page 11-16. What am I missing about the Swich indicated in the PDF file above? Is there a Off-On-On 3 position switch? Or can another be wired in this way? Also, I need a 2-1 3 position switch to switch from one ignition coil to the other ignition coil so that only one is on at a time. This switch is not listed on the Aeroelectric parts list on the B&C web site. Where is a good place to find it? Thanks, Ned Thomas ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:35 AM PST US From: Benford2@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Radio Noise --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com In a message dated 6/18/2003 6:01:20 AM Mountain Daylight Time, RVEIGHTA@aol.com writes: > > Bob, I have a Microair radio which has worked perfectly during taxi tests of > > my RV-8A, but recently on my first flight, although my ground crew had heard > > me perfectly when I taxiied out to the runway, once I was in the air, they > heard nothing but static when I transmitted. > > I have since tracked the noise down to my turn coordinator. When the turn > coordinator is not running, transmissions are clear. When it is, i'm > unreadable. > Does the turn coordinator require a shielded power supply wire? > > Walt Shipley > Is it the Waltrud / Falcon TC ????? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:23 AM PST US From: BAKEROCB@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Automobile lights --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BAKEROCB@aol.com AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <<....skip.....Bob mentions in his book the sensible system of using automotive hi-low beam lamps. This makes great sense especially in single light aircraft; in fact I can't imagine a reason not to do it....skip.... >> 6/18/2003 Hello Eric, I researched and even bought some automobile OEM version lights before I finally settled on the Pilot after market driving lights. The problem that I encountered with all of the OEM type equipment is that they were just too large to put into the leading edge of my wings and creating a mounting system for what amounted to a glass blob was a significant burden / challenge. Also no space available in the engine cowling area. This left some sort of bracket arrangement fastened to my fixed landing gear -- that didn't appeal to me at all. 'OC' Baker, Builder of KIS TR-1 #116 4/14/97 - ?/?/? ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:33 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 08:00 AM 6/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Carlos Sa > >Where can I get a "do not crash" switch? > > >I'd like to install one on Windows. > > >Carlos > >(just to be sure, do not archive) If you're not already using it, try WinXp. Of all the versions I've used (3.11, 95, 98, ME, XP) it has proven the most stable . . . (I believe ME and XP have WinNT heritages. NT was more graceful than the DOS versions of Windows from square-one). You might still have PROGRAMS that crash but the NT descendants of Windows have better behavior for closing and cleaning up after an application crash without causing you to reboot the whole computer. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:19 AM PST US From: Mark Steitle Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Automobile lights --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Steitle At 09:06 AM 6/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BAKEROCB@aol.com > > AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: "Eric M. Jones" > > ><<....skip.....Bob mentions in his book the sensible system of using >automotive hi-low beam lamps. This makes great sense especially in single >light >aircraft; in fact I can't imagine a reason not to do it....skip.... >> >The problem that I encountered with all of the OEM type equipment is that >they were just too large to put into the leading edge of my wings and >creating a >mounting system for what amounted to a glass blob was a significant burden / >challenge. OC, Bob has referenced a small, compact automotive headlight, #4352 that is only about 1-3/4 tall and about 5-1/2" wide. I have been going through the same dilemma as you and I went and bought a #4352 type recently and it is a very small, rectangular shaped sealed halogen unit. With that said, you got my interest with the dual beamed Pilot unit. Price is quite a bit more than the 4352 ($24.99 @ Auto Zone), but it seems worth it. Can you buy those locally, or do you have to order them from Pilot? Mark S. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:22 AM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" Win xp is as close to crash proof as any MS OS has ever been, and it tolerates old programs very well. Windows ME is Win98 with a Win2000 "front end" so while it may look like Win2000 it is not. Win 2000 and Win xp are built on Win NT. Best regards, Rob Housman Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airfarame complete Irvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 08:00 AM 6/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Carlos Sa > >Where can I get a "do not crash" switch? > > >I'd like to install one on Windows. > > >Carlos > >(just to be sure, do not archive) If you're not already using it, try WinXp. Of all the versions I've used (3.11, 95, 98, ME, XP) it has proven the most stable . . . (I believe ME and XP have WinNT heritages. NT was more graceful than the DOS versions of Windows from square-one). You might still have PROGRAMS that crash but the NT descendants of Windows have better behavior for closing and cleaning up after an application crash without causing you to reboot the whole computer. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:10 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > > From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > Date: 2003/06/18 Wed AM 09:16:40 EDT > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes > > Bob, ME was the last version of Windows based on DOS. Windows 2000 Pro could be considered NT 5, as it is based on NTFS, as is Windows XP. Charlie Kuss ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:32 AM PST US From: Carlos Sa Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Carlos Sa My joke with the "no crash button" relates to the frequent crashes I have with Windows. (In my case, Win 2000 Pro) Each release of Windows is, indeed, less crash-prone than the previous. However, it still is a unreliable OS, at least for my requirements. nything that goes belly up on my every other day doesn't qualify as reliable. Now I have to end this note, as I just got a msg from WIndows saying I'm low on memory, what means that Windows (or Windows applications) did not clean up memory properly. Shall we get back to airplanes and electric stuff, please ? do not archive Carlos ... CRASH ... ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:48 AM PST US From: klwerner@comcast.net Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: klwerner@comcast.net Does everyone think that the because of the "FLYING Windows" Screensaver, it automatically qualifies to be on the "AERO Electric" List ??? I am sure there is a more appropriate MS-Windows List somewhere else on the Net. DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: chaskuss@bellsouth.net To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:53 AM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > > From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > Date: 2003/06/18 Wed AM 09:16:40 EDT > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes > > Bob, ME was the last version of Windows based on DOS. Windows 2000 Pro could be considered NT 5, as it is based on NTFS, as is Windows XP. Charlie Kuss ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:17 AM PST US From: "rwilliams" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Pilot Automotive landing lights --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rwilliams" I'm a total electrical ignoramus, so please be patient with my questions about landing/taxi lights! I know how normal tungsten lights work and how halogen lights operate. What are the advantages and disadvantages of Xenon and HID lights? What are the FAA requirements (if any) for landing lights? Thanks! Bob Williams ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:48 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Switches --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 07:47 AM 6/18/2003 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <315@cox.net> > >Hi Bob, > >I ordered the S700-2-3 2 position switch based on page 11-18 of the >"Connection" where you mention that it is recommended for combination >battery-master/alternator-field switching. I installed it not utilizing >the upper poles. In the down position all is off. In the up postion both >the battery and the alternator contactors are energized. Earliest versions of power distribution diagrams suggested the 2-3 on-on switch for both battery and alternator because (1) there is no operational imperative or advantage in NOT having an alternator ON during cranking, (2) it reduces the number of checklist items by one step because you don't have to set DC PWR MASTER switch to ALT position after engine start and (3) if you have a breaker supplied crowbar OVM and use a PULLABLE breaker, then there is still a handy way to turn off a misbehaving alternator in flight and disable the alternator for battery-only, ground-ops. If I were building an airplane today, I'd probably go the 2-3 switch and crowbar-breaker route as the simplest, lowest cost approach to DC power system management. >Now looking at: > >http://216.55.140.222/temp/Switches.pdf > >I see the labeling of the switch for "DC Power master, Battery" appears to >show an Off-On-On 3 position switch where the battery can be turned on by >itself and then the alternator can be engaged. I would like to be able to >turn on the battery without the alternator for power supply without the >alternator energized. I don't see an Off-On-On switch listed on page >11-16. What am I missing about the Swich indicated in the PDF file above? >Is there a Off-On-On 3 position switch? Or can another be wired in this way? . . . 2-10 switch is an ON-ON-ON . . . you make it an OFF-ON-ON by not connecting a wire to one of the ON positions. Later revisions to Z-figures show how the 2-10 switch can be wired to provide the OFF-ON-ON feature you've noted. >Also, I need a 2-1 3 position switch to switch from one ignition coil to >the other ignition coil so that only one is on at a time. This switch is >not listed on the Aeroelectric parts list on the B&C web site. Where is a >good place to find it? Carling 2GM51-73 on http://www.mouser.com/catalog/613/645.pdf Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:28 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Radio Noise --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 07:59 AM 6/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RVEIGHTA@aol.com > >Bob, I have a Microair radio which has worked perfectly during taxi tests of >my RV-8A, but recently on my first flight, although my ground crew had heard >me perfectly when I taxiied out to the runway, once I was in the air, they >heard nothing but static when I transmitted. > >I have since tracked the noise down to my turn coordinator. When the turn >coordinator is not running, transmissions are clear. When it is, i'm >unreadable. >Does the turn coordinator require a shielded power supply wire? > >Walt Shipley Sounds like you may have one of those famously noisy turn coordinators that pop up with problems here on the list. You can try a DC power filter http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/filter/filter.html If your noise turns out to be magnetically coupled (also common with this instrument) you can try cutting a piece of flashing steel to a width equal to case length behind panel and long enough to wrap around the instrument about three times. Hold strip of metal on instrument with tye-wrap or glass fiber strapping tape. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes From: "Bert Penney" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bert Penney" Carlos, If your W2K machine is crashing every other day, I suggest that you run "winnt32 /checkupgradeonly" to verify that all your hardware is W2K compliant. I have a number of W2K machines here and I rarely reboot any of them. Bert -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Sa [mailto:carlosfsa@yahoo.com] Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Carlos Sa My joke with the "no crash button" relates to the frequent crashes I have with Windows. (In my case, Win 2000 Pro) Each release of Windows is, indeed, less crash-prone than the previous. However, it still is a unreliable OS, at least for my requirements. nything that goes belly up on my every other day doesn't qualify as reliable. Now I have to end this note, as I just got a msg from WIndows saying I'm low on memory, what means that Windows (or Windows applications) did not clean up memory properly. Shall we get back to airplanes and electric stuff, please ? do not archive Carlos ... CRASH ... ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:43 AM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Pilot Automotive landing lights --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" Both Xe and HID lamps are gas discharge lamps, with the primary advantage of being resistant to damage from vibration (no filament to break), and since there is no free lunch the disadvantage of both is initial cost especially for Xe lamps which require an expensive high voltage power supply. Both types provide illumination that is closer to daylight than tungsten or halogen lamps - Xe is essentially the same color temperature as sunlight which is why Xe lamps are used for studio lighting and cinema projection. For a landing light on an aircraft with a limited power budget the HID lamp would be a good choice because a 10 watt HID lamp will give approximately as much light as a conventional 55 watt halogen headlight. Lamp life would be on the order of the typical aircraft engine's TBO. A quick search turned up this link for a small HID lamp suitable for either a landing or taxi light (the beam is adjustable): http://www.sarind.com/acatalog/hid.html Cheap it is not at US$380 but it is mounted in a housing suitable for underwater use so rain would not affect it. For about $100 more check out an automotive lighting HID conversion kit with two "low beam" lamps at http://www.eautoworks.com/html/ORD-1-1-1-5667.cfm (but these are rather large lamps). The FAR 91.205 (c) (4) requires "If the aircraft is operated for hire, one electric landing light. " That's all. Best regards, Rob Housman Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airfarame complete Irvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of rwilliams Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Pilot Automotive landing lights --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rwilliams" I'm a total electrical ignoramus, so please be patient with my questions about landing/taxi lights! I know how normal tungsten lights work and how halogen lights operate. What are the advantages and disadvantages of Xenon and HID lights? What are the FAA requirements (if any) for landing lights? Thanks! Bob Williams ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:34 AM PST US From: Mark Steitle Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Pilot Automotive landing lights --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Steitle FWIW, Pilot Automotive has a 4" round HID. No price quoted. Supposedly available at Pep Boys, Auto Zone, and others. See http://www.pilotautomotive.com/pilot2ad1.htm At 10:48 AM 6/18/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" > >Both Xe and HID lamps are gas discharge lamps, with the primary advantage of >being resistant to damage from vibration (no filament to break), and since >there is no free lunch the disadvantage of both is initial cost especially >for Xe lamps which require an expensive high voltage power supply. Both >types provide illumination that is closer to daylight than tungsten or >halogen lamps - Xe is essentially the same color temperature as sunlight >which is why Xe lamps are used for studio lighting and cinema projection. > >For a landing light on an aircraft with a limited power budget the HID lamp >would be a good choice because a 10 watt HID lamp will give approximately as >much light as a conventional 55 watt halogen headlight. Lamp life would be >on the order of the typical aircraft engine's TBO. > >A quick search turned up this link for a small HID lamp suitable for either >a landing or taxi light (the beam is adjustable): >http://www.sarind.com/acatalog/hid.html Cheap it is not at US$380 but it >is mounted in a housing suitable for underwater use so rain would not affect >it. For about $100 more check out an automotive lighting HID conversion kit >with two "low beam" lamps at >http://www.eautoworks.com/html/ORD-1-1-1-5667.cfm (but these are rather >large lamps). > >The FAR 91.205 (c) (4) requires "If the aircraft is operated for hire, one >electric landing light. " That's all. > > >Best regards, > >Rob Housman >Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 >Airfarame complete >Irvine, CA > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of rwilliams >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Pilot Automotive landing lights > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rwilliams" > >I'm a total electrical ignoramus, so please be patient with my questions >about landing/taxi lights! > >I know how normal tungsten lights work and how halogen lights operate. What >are the advantages and disadvantages of Xenon and HID lights? > >What are the FAA requirements (if any) for landing lights? > >Thanks! > >Bob Williams > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:31 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" I use Windows 2000 Pro, seldom shut it off, seldom crashes. My biggest problem is that it will slow down after I open several internet explorer windows (16 or more). I like the ability to do the 3 finger salute and shut down links that are left after using such programs as acrobat and a couple others. I check these when I remember. But I just don't shut my computer off. I use a fire wall. It generally runs from install of some software or update to the next before I even re-boot. This was not the case with windows 95 or 98. Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.bellanca-championclub.com Actively supporting Aeroncas every day Quarterly newsletters on time Reasonable document reprints 1-518-731-6800 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Sa" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Carlos Sa > > My joke with the "no crash button" relates to the frequent crashes I have with > Windows. > (In my case, Win 2000 Pro) > > Each release of Windows is, indeed, less crash-prone than the previous. > However, it still is a unreliable OS, at least for my requirements. > nything that goes belly up on my every other day doesn't qualify as reliable. > > Now I have to end this note, as I just got a msg from WIndows saying I'm low on > memory, what means that Windows (or Windows applications) did not clean up memory > properly. > > Shall we get back to airplanes and electric stuff, please ? > > > do not archive > > Carlos > > ... CRASH ... > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:56 PM PST US From: Scot Stambaugh Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Pilot Automotive landing lights --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scot Stambaugh If you are looking for a turnkey solution for the RV family of aircraft take a look at the link below and click on "New Products" under the picture of the 2 RV's. I just got two kits (landing and taxi) for my Rocket and the package is very nice. it could be modified to fit a lot of different installation applications. http://www.duckworksaviation.com/ scot At 01:42 PM 6/18/2003 -0500, Mark Steitle wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Steitle > > >FWIW, Pilot Automotive has a 4" round HID. No price quoted. Supposedly >available at Pep Boys, Auto Zone, and others. > See http://www.pilotautomotive.com/pilot2ad1.htm > > >At 10:48 AM 6/18/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" > > > > >Both Xe and HID lamps are gas discharge lamps, with the primary advantage of > >being resistant to damage from vibration (no filament to break), and since > >there is no free lunch the disadvantage of both is initial cost especially > >for Xe lamps which require an expensive high voltage power supply. Both > >types provide illumination that is closer to daylight than tungsten or > >halogen lamps - Xe is essentially the same color temperature as sunlight > >which is why Xe lamps are used for studio lighting and cinema projection. > > > >For a landing light on an aircraft with a limited power budget the HID lamp > >would be a good choice because a 10 watt HID lamp will give approximately as > >much light as a conventional 55 watt halogen headlight. Lamp life would be > >on the order of the typical aircraft engine's TBO. > > > >A quick search turned up this link for a small HID lamp suitable for either > >a landing or taxi light (the beam is adjustable): > >http://www.sarind.com/acatalog/hid.html Cheap it is not at US$380 but it > >is mounted in a housing suitable for underwater use so rain would not affect > >it. For about $100 more check out an automotive lighting HID conversion kit > >with two "low beam" lamps at > >http://www.eautoworks.com/html/ORD-1-1-1-5667.cfm (but these are rather > >large lamps). > > > >The FAR 91.205 (c) (4) requires "If the aircraft is operated for hire, one > >electric landing light. " That's all. > > > > > >Best regards, > > > >Rob Housman > >Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 > >Airfarame complete > >Irvine, CA > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of rwilliams > >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Pilot Automotive landing lights > > > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "rwilliams" > > > >I'm a total electrical ignoramus, so please be patient with my questions > >about landing/taxi lights! > > > >I know how normal tungsten lights work and how halogen lights operate. What > >are the advantages and disadvantages of Xenon and HID lights? > > > >What are the FAA requirements (if any) for landing lights? > > > >Thanks! > > > >Bob Williams > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:19 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Pilot Automotive landing lights --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 10:48 AM 6/18/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" > >Both Xe and HID lamps are gas discharge lamps, with the primary advantage of >being resistant to damage from vibration (no filament to break), and since >there is no free lunch the disadvantage of both is initial cost especially >for Xe lamps which require an expensive high voltage power supply. Both >types provide illumination that is closer to daylight than tungsten or >halogen lamps - Xe is essentially the same color temperature as sunlight >which is why Xe lamps are used for studio lighting and cinema projection. > >For a landing light on an aircraft with a limited power budget the HID lamp >would be a good choice because a 10 watt HID lamp will give approximately as >much light as a conventional 55 watt halogen headlight. Lamp life would be >on the order of the typical aircraft engine's TBO. > >A quick search turned up this link for a small HID lamp suitable for either >a landing or taxi light (the beam is adjustable): >http://www.sarind.com/acatalog/hid.html Cheap it is not at US$380 but it >is mounted in a housing suitable for underwater use so rain would not affect >it. For about $100 more check out an automotive lighting HID conversion kit >with two "low beam" lamps at >http://www.eautoworks.com/html/ORD-1-1-1-5667.cfm (but these are rather >large lamps). > >The FAR 91.205 (c) (4) requires "If the aircraft is operated for hire, one >electric landing light. " That's all. A caveat on HID lamps . . . we installed on the AGATE Bonanza at RAC a couple of years ago. It was the Lopresti kit I believe. Really nice for night ops . . . however . . . because its color temperature is so much higher that incandescent lamps, it's practically invisible against daylight blue sky. Not nearly so practical for daytime collision avoidance as lamps with filaments in them. For those wanting to know a bit more about these products, here are some general informational links http://www.plasmacoalition.org/plasma_writeups/lighting-plasmas.pdf http://www.solarc.net/docs/divefaqs.html http://www.livermoreperformance.com/Xenarc.html http://www.autoresearchanalysts.com/feat06.html http://www.xenon-hid.com/HID_HEADLIGHTS.htm . . . and some technical ones . . . http://www.ec-central.org/magazine/PDF/art_9_may_jun_00.pdf http://www.ee.bgu.ac.il/~pel/pdf-files/conf56.pdf Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:42 PM PST US From: klwerner@comcast.net Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: klwerner@comcast.net Cy, That's Beautiful, just plain Beautiful, for whatever reason. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Cy Galley To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" I use Windows 2000 Pro, seldom shut it off, seldom crashes. My biggest problem is that it will slow down after I open several internet explorer windows (16 or more). I like the ability to do the 3 finger salute and shut down links that are left after using such programs as acrobat and a couple others. I check these when I remember. But I just don't shut my computer off. I use a fire wall. It generally runs from install of some software or update to the next before I even re-boot. This was not the case with windows 95 or 98. Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.bellanca-championclub.com Actively supporting Aeroncas every day Quarterly newsletters on time Reasonable document reprints 1-518-731-6800 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Sa" To: Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Carlos Sa > > My joke with the "no crash button" relates to the frequent crashes I have with > Windows. > (In my case, Win 2000 Pro) > > Each release of Windows is, indeed, less crash-prone than the previous. > However, it still is a unreliable OS, at least for my requirements. > nything that goes belly up on my every other day doesn't qualify as reliable. > > Now I have to end this note, as I just got a msg from WIndows saying I'm low on > memory, what means that Windows (or Windows applications) did not clean up memory > properly. > > Shall we get back to airplanes and electric stuff, please ? > > > do not archive > > Carlos > > ... CRASH ... > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:19 PM PST US From: Freddie Freeloader Subject: Re[2]: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Freddie Freeloader Hello Cy, Wednesday, June 18, 2003, 12:31:22 PM, you wrote: -->> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" CG> I use Windows 2000 Pro, seldom shut it off, seldom crashes. My biggest CG> problem is that it will slow down after I open several internet explorer CG> windows (16 or more). I like the ability to do the 3 finger salute and shut CG> down links that are left after using such programs as acrobat and a couple CG> others. I check these when I remember. But I just don't shut my computer CG> off. I use a fire wall. It generally runs from install of some software or CG> update to the next before I even re-boot. This was not the case with CG> windows 95 or 98. Try using Mozilla (www.mozilla.org) as you web browser, instead. It has built-in pop-up blocking, and you can open either multiple windows, or multiple tabs in a single window. I often have many tabs and windows open on Win2K with no slowness noted at all. -- Best regards, Freddie mailto:lists@stevet.net ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:01 PM PST US From: "David J. Spencer" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Thanks... --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David J. Spencer" I just want to thank everybody who gave advice, tips and pointers about my radio noise and static in our Beech A23-24 (Super3). After installing a centre-point ground system along with new positive battery cable, ammeter cable and circuit breakers for the alternator... THERE IS NO NOISE OF ANY KIND... except the people I'm communicating with. This is the best communication I've ever had in any of our planes and especially the old renters we used to use... Again... THANKS David J. Spencer Super3 djs@54Transmission.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:04 PM PST US From: "Neville Kilford" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Push-to-test, indicator lamps, etc. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neville Kilford" Mark, Thanks for that info. There are so many good bright LEDs that you're right -- they probably are the way to go. A schematic would be very useful; I'm rather hazy on the whole diode / ptt thing. Shall I download it from somewhere or will you send? Many thanks. Nev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Phillips" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Push-to-test, indicator lamps, etc. > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Phillips > > Hi Neville- > > I was originally going to build an annunciator panel with some neat incandescent > blocks that locked together, but after wrestling with the required diodes and > additional connections required for PTT, I took Bob Nuckolls' suggestion and used > LEDs instead. They are virtually permanent and are tested on every preflight (well, > most of them anyway) I just finished putting together a panel on the cheap with 10 > main LED lamp units and four spares- the display is 140mm wide and 15mm high (two > rows of seven lamps). They are pretty much for the same functions you mention, plus > low fuel R/L, EIS main warning light, canopy latched, low oil pressure etc. Here's a > link to DigiKey's catalog page: > > http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T032/1150.pdf > > The ones I used were Fig. 3 at the bottom of the page, MU04-X101, available in red > yellow and green, three LEDs in each unit for $1.32 ea. After some testing, I opted > to run them at 30ma to increase brightness (240 ohm resistors) which should be okay > as their duty cycle should be quite low. (I ran one for 4 weeks solid at about 45ma > without appreciable dimming) They are soldered direct to a phenolic project board > (fiberglass would probably be better) and wired to a 15 pin d-sub connector on a 5" > long pigtail. I've probably got about $40 in the whole thing. I'm also planning to > add a couple of zeners and a DPDT switch for a dimmer, just not sure what value to > use yet. The lettering overlay is simply part of an AutoCAD drawing printed on clear > plastic with a laser printer. Neat little roll yer own project. > > I've got the schematic in AutoCAD if you'd like a copy. > > >From The PossumWorks in TN > Mark > > Neville Kilford wrote: > > > I'd like a handful of indicators on the panel -- fuel pump on, starter > > engaged, flaps extended, lo-v, etc. Can I simply wire them in parallel with > > their related equipment, e.g. wire a "starter engaged" light in parallel with > > the starter motor? And do you have any suggestions about good places to buy > > annunciator lamps and whatnot? I guess there must be some nice looking kit > > around. > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:42 PM PST US From: "fellowsw" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "fellowsw" I have had more problems with windows xp pro than with 98. I know this is contrary to conventional wisdom but true. The hanging up seems related to network/internet settings and it has gotten much better after installing the 50 or more patches available since I got it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Nuckolls, III Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Windows crashes --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 08:00 AM 6/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Carlos Sa > >Where can I get a "do not crash" switch? > > >I'd like to install one on Windows. > > >Carlos > >(just to be sure, do not archive) If you're not already using it, try WinXp. Of all the versions I've used (3.11, 95, 98, ME, XP) it has proven the most stable . . . (I believe ME and XP have WinNT heritages. NT was more graceful than the DOS versions of Windows from square-one). You might still have PROGRAMS that crash but the NT descendants of Windows have better behavior for closing and cleaning up after an application crash without causing you to reboot the whole computer. Bob . . .