---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/18/03: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:36 AM - Electrical courses on aerolearn.com (Mike Rice) 2. 05:38 AM - master solenoid (cary rhodes) 3. 06:11 AM - Re: master solenoid (Jim Streit) 4. 06:21 AM - Re: master solenoid (Neville Kilford) 5. 06:40 AM - Panel markings (Neville Kilford) 6. 06:42 AM - Re: Electrics/electronics education question (John Slade) 7. 07:20 AM - alternator wires (cary rhodes) 8. 07:30 AM - Re: Panel markings () 9. 07:41 AM - Re: old link (Jeff Point) 10. 07:46 AM - Re: Panel markings (Bruce Gray) 11. 08:05 AM - Re: Dynon/SL70 Encoding (Pat Hatch) 12. 08:07 AM - Re: Panel markings (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 13. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: Panel markings (Randy Pflanzer) 14. 09:24 AM - Re: old link (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 15. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: terminal strips (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 16. 11:37 AM - DON'T E-MAIL ME (Lane, Stacey) 17. 12:03 PM - BatteryTerminalBoltCorrosion (DAVID REEL) 18. 01:15 PM - Re: BatteryTerminalBoltCorrosion (Cy Galley) 19. 01:16 PM - Re: DON'T E-MAIL ME (Cy Galley) 20. 01:31 PM - 4-conductor shielded wire source (Dan Checkoway) 21. 02:52 PM - Re: 4-conductor shielded wire source (TSaccio@aol.com) 22. 03:19 PM - wire current & Resistance for 26ga wire. (WHigg1170@aol.com) 23. 05:39 PM - Re: Electrical courses on aerolearn.com (drew.schumann@us.army.mil) 24. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Electrics/electronics education question (drew.schumann@us.army.mil) 25. 06:43 PM - Professsional Panel Construction (BAKEROCB@aol.com) 26. 06:49 PM - Re: Panel markings (J. Oberst) 27. 07:43 PM - Re: Electrics/electronics education question (drew.schumann@us.army.mil) 28. 09:54 PM - Re: Re: Electrics/electronics education question (Tony Babb) 29. 10:04 PM - Re: 4-conductor shielded wire source (Larry Bowen) 30. 10:24 PM - Re: Re: Electrics/electronics education (richard@riley.net) 31. 10:47 PM - Re: Re: Electrics/electronics education question (drew.schumann@us.army.mil) 32. 11:11 PM - Re: Re: Electrics/electronics education question (drew.schumann@us.army.mil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:57 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Electrical courses on aerolearn.com From: Mike Rice --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mike Rice > Drew- > Some of Bob's Aeroconnection courses are available on Aerolearn.com, > along with a variety of other electrical and electronic subjects. All > courses on Aerolearn are free, and are primarily of interest to > Aircraft Maintenance Technicians. You have to register to access the > site. > > Hope this helps, > Mike Rice > Aerolearn.com > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:38 AM PST US From: cary rhodes Subject: AeroElectric-List: master solenoid --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: cary rhodes Gentlemen I was checking out the function of the switches on the firewall last nite. The starter sol snapped closed when applying 12V to the coil as it should. The master didn't It has one small electrical connection and two big ones. If I understand the machine, applying 12v to the small pin would energize the coil and close the big switch. The other side of the coil would be the firewall ground. it is bolted to the firewall. I guess I could have a faulty solenoid Any suggestions? its a rv-7 and I'm working on misc wiring and panel. thanks cary rhodes __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:43 AM PST US From: Jim Streit Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: master solenoid --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jim Streit Cary, You need to ground the small connection to activate the coil / (sol.) Jim Streit 90073 cary rhodes wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: cary rhodes > >Gentlemen > >I was checking out the function of the switches on the >firewall last nite. > >The starter sol snapped closed when applying 12V to >the coil as it should. > >The master didn't > >It has one small electrical connection and two big >ones. > >If I understand the machine, applying 12v to the small >pin would energize the coil and close the big switch. > >The other side of the coil would be the firewall >ground. > >it is bolted to the firewall. > >I guess I could have a faulty solenoid > >Any suggestions? > >its a rv-7 and I'm working on misc wiring and panel. > >thanks > >cary rhodes > > >__________________________________ > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:12 AM PST US From: "Neville Kilford" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: master solenoid --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neville Kilford" Hi Cary, It's the other way round for a battery contactor -- the coil is connected to the fat input terminal internally (i.e. it's at 12V), so you must put negative on to the small terminal. The master switch should route this small terminal to the ground. Cheers. Nev ----- Original Message ----- From: "cary rhodes" Subject: AeroElectric-List: master solenoid > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: cary rhodes > > Gentlemen > > I was checking out the function of the switches on the > firewall last nite. > > The starter sol snapped closed when applying 12V to > the coil as it should. > > The master didn't > > It has one small electrical connection and two big > ones. > > If I understand the machine, applying 12v to the small > pin would energize the coil and close the big switch. > > The other side of the coil would be the firewall > ground. > > it is bolted to the firewall. > > I guess I could have a faulty solenoid > > Any suggestions? > > its a rv-7 and I'm working on misc wiring and panel. > > thanks > > cary rhodes > > > __________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:22 AM PST US From: "Neville Kilford" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Panel markings --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neville Kilford" Hi guys, I've noted on Bob's toggle switch layouts that they look fantastic with all the text and boxes marked on the panel. How does one get a neat job of this, and other placarding, on a real panel? I can only think of screen printing, but it would be pretty expensive for a one-off. Any suggestions or experiences gratefully appreciated. Cheers. Nev -- Jodel D150 in progress UK ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:27 AM PST US From: "John Slade" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Slade" > So. My question to the list, is, "What would be a good way to > gain experience with electronic stuff, having rather limited > access to equipment I can actually touch a mess with?" You could build one of the marker beacon / audio panel kits at http://rst-engr.com/ John Slade Cozy IV ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:01 AM PST US From: cary rhodes Subject: AeroElectric-List: alternator wires --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: cary rhodes You guys did such a good job w/ the first question, I will see it I can solve another. My nippon Denso alternator has a plug w/ three wires. There are marked IG, DL and L. Big white, black w/ yellow stripe, and yellow respectively. I got it on the big white wire, its the current out wire. One of the others is the field or excitation and the other may be a indicator light or something. Which which is which. thanks cary __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Panel markings From: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Nev, I used Chris Good's labeling method. Looks good, durable in actual use, and not permanent in case you need to switch things around (as I have): http://www.rv.supermatrix.com/ , click on Photo Log and then Panel. Rob Acker (RV-6 flying) do not archive > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neville Kilford" > > > Hi guys, > > I've noted on Bob's toggle switch layouts that they look fantastic with > all the text and boxes marked on the panel. How does one get a neat job > of this, and other placarding, on a real panel? I can only think of > screen printing, but it would be pretty expensive for a one-off. > > Any suggestions or experiences gratefully appreciated. > > Cheers. > > Nev ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:45 AM PST US From: Jeff Point Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: old link --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jeff Point That's just the one. I was looking for the picture of the E-bus diode showing the proper way to wire it. Like others, I am finding B & C's website less useful and more difficult to navigate after the recent "upgrade" and I will make my feelings known to them. Perhaps a link on the Aeroelectric home page to your picture page would be a useful and easy upgrade. Jeff Point Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > >At 07:38 AM 7/17/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jeff Point >> >>Bob, >> >>Found this old link in the archives, which is no longer active. Is this >>file available elsewhere on your site? >>http://aeroelectric.com/Catalog/wiring/s401-25.jpg >> >> > > That photo was part of the website catalog for parts > and materials that are no longer offered for sale > from my website. Many of the pictures associated with > the catalog are still useful for illustrative purposes > so I've created a directory on the server as a repository > for photos. You can find the one you're looking for > at: > http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures > > Bob. . . > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:29 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Panel markings --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" Check out www.engravers.net Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neville Kilford Subject: AeroElectric-List: Panel markings --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neville Kilford" Hi guys, I've noted on Bob's toggle switch layouts that they look fantastic with all the text and boxes marked on the panel. How does one get a neat job of this, and other placarding, on a real panel? I can only think of screen printing, but it would be pretty expensive for a one-off. Any suggestions or experiences gratefully appreciated. Cheers. Nev -- Jodel D150 in progress UK ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:28 AM PST US From: "Pat Hatch" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon/SL70 Encoding --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Pat Hatch" Larry, Pin 35 is not required, D4 is a gray-code input from the encoder that is only required above 30,750 feet or something like that. Not a problem. Pat Hatch RV-4 RV-6 RV-7 QB (Building) Vero Beach, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Dynon/SL70 Encoding > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" > > I'm confused then. Looking at their documentation, D4 is pin 35. Or am > I looking at it wrong? > > http://www.upsat.com/dwnlds/stackdoc/fullstackwiring.pdf <--bottom, > right corner. > > Thanks, > > - > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > 2003 - The year of flight! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: N67BT@aol.com [mailto:N67BT@aol.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:54 PM > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dynon/SL70 Encoding > > > > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: N67BT@aol.com > > > > Larry, > > > > According to UPSAT tech support the D4 is left unconnected. > > > > Bob Trumpfheller > > > > > The SL70 diagram from their web site illustrates everything nicely. > > > Everything matches my pre-wire job. Except pin 35 (AKA > > input "D4") is > > > not wired. Hmm. Why not? > > > > > > ========== > > Matronics Forums. > > ========== > > List members. > > ========== > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm > > Search Engine: http://www.matronics.com/search > > ========== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:15 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Panel markings --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 02:40 PM 7/18/2003 +0100, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neville Kilford" > > >Hi guys, > >I've noted on Bob's toggle switch layouts that they look fantastic with all >the text and boxes marked on the panel. How does one get a neat job of this, >and other placarding, on a real panel? I can only think of screen printing, >but it would be pretty expensive for a one-off. > >Any suggestions or experiences gratefully appreciated. I make panels like that for a dollar or two every so often by printing the artwork onto a piece of paper, laminate it in my office laminator (Sam's Club $70), center-punch hole centers on panel through placard, cut holes with punches, spot facers and/or step-drill, stick placard down over holes with photographic dry-mount (large sheets of double sided sticky tape), cut holes in placards with Xacto knife and mount parts. Here are a few examples: http://216.55.140.222/temp/panela.jpg http://216.55.140.222/temp/panelb.jpg http://216.55.140.222/temp/panelc.jpg Some of these panels are several years old and have stood up against quite a bit of handling stresses. You can lay out such panel placards using any of the CAD programs on the CD offered from my website for either $10 for hard CD or free if you download http://216.55.140.222/CD/AEC8_0.zip FUTURA, TECHNIC, and VELVET-L (on the CD) are good panel labeling fonts. One builder resized the published layout at http://216.55.140.222/temp/Switches.pdf in a copy machine, cut out the one he liked, had it laminated and stuck it onto his panel. This is a labor intensive but very low material cost approach to panel placard building. It's so easy that if you don't like the way it came out first time, or it gets damaged, it's easy to revise and/or replace. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:23 AM PST US From: Randy Pflanzer Subject: Re: RE: AeroElectric-List: Panel markings --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Randy Pflanzer Better yet, check out www.frontpanelexpress.com Randy F1 Rocket http://mywebpages.comcast.net/F1Rocket/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Gray Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Panel markings > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" > > Check out www.engravers.net > > Bruce > www.glasair.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Neville Kilford > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Panel markings > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neville Kilford" > > > Hi guys, > > I've noted on Bob's toggle switch layouts that they look fantastic > withall > the text and boxes marked on the panel. How does one get a neat > job of > this, > and other placarding, on a real panel? I can only think of screen > printing, > but it would be pretty expensive for a one-off. > > Any suggestions or experiences gratefully appreciated. > > Cheers. > > Nev > > -- > Jodel D150 in progress > UK > > > _- > ======================================================================_- = - The AeroElectric-List Email Forum - > _- > ======================================================================_- = !! NEWish !! > _- > ======================================================================_- = List Related Information > _- > ====================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:03 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: old link --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 09:49 AM 7/18/2003 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jeff Point > >That's just the one. I was looking for the picture of the E-bus diode >showing the proper way to wire it. > >Like others, I am finding B & C's website less useful and more difficult >to navigate after the recent "upgrade" and I will make my feelings known >to them. Perhaps a link on the Aeroelectric home page to your picture >page would be a useful and easy upgrade. Keep in mind that as "owner" of the webite's format I could easily integrate the "how to" information with "what to" information. Our primary mission is "how to" . . . B&C's mission is "what to" and further, they don't own the format and they're not in the business of writing "how to" articles. Todd spent a LOT of time poking our catalog into their existing format. He's still trimming for errors. As you run across disconnects between what we used to do and B&C is doing, let me or Todd know and we'll see if we can pick up the loose ends. When you make suggestions to B&C, make them constructive and remember that Todd and the folks that you get to talk to with regularity are NOT the folks who make major marketing decisions. So don't hammer on 'em, just provide useful input. If you think a product could use some "how to" information, let 'em know . . . if practical, I'll do a Shop Notes or other article to support that activity. They'll forward your comments to powers that be and MAYBE it will have an effect that pleases you, maybe it won't . . . but it is certain that without feedback from the customer, what you see is what you get. This shouldn't become a contest or turf war . . . but it can be a useful activity that ultimately benefits us all. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:02 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: terminal strips --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 10:05 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > > oooohhhh . . . how did you decide to insert so many threaded > > fasteners into your system? I really do my best to inject no > > threaded fastener where it can be avoided. > >Good question. I do have a 10-circuit AMP Commercial MATE-N-LOK connector >and pins...I suppose that's just as good as a terminal strip for being able >to reassign functions by simply moving pins, huh (this is for stick switch >wiring assignments). Hm...maybe I'll switch to the connector. How about a d-sub? Smaller, has strain-relief hoods. Can use machined pins . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:14 AM PST US From: "Lane, Stacey" Subject: AeroElectric-List: DON'T E-MAIL ME --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lane, Stacey" DO NOT SEND ME ANY MORE OF THESE E-MAILS.... I HAVE NOT REQUESTED NOR DO I WANT THEM -----Original Message----- From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III [mailto:bob.nuckolls@cox.net] Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: terminal strips --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 10:05 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > > oooohhhh . . . how did you decide to insert so many threaded > > fasteners into your system? I really do my best to inject no > > threaded fastener where it can be avoided. > >Good question. I do have a 10-circuit AMP Commercial MATE-N-LOK connector >and pins...I suppose that's just as good as a terminal strip for being able >to reassign functions by simply moving pins, huh (this is for stick switch >wiring assignments). Hm...maybe I'll switch to the connector. How about a d-sub? Smaller, has strain-relief hoods. Can use machined pins . . . Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:10 PM PST US From: "DAVID REEL" Subject: AeroElectric-List: BatteryTerminalBoltCorrosion --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" I'm thinking of replacing the 3/16 coarse thread bolts that came with my Panasonic LC-RD1217P battery with cadmium plated fine thread AN bolts. Do the Panasonic bolts have any special corrosion prevention properties that would be lost by going to cadmium plate? Dave Reel - RV8A ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:09 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: BatteryTerminalBoltCorrosion --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" What would you gain by using fine threads? I just put a new battery in my Bellanca today and they were coarse thread. Cad plate doesn't last long in battery acid. Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org Always looking for articles for the Experimenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID REEL" Subject: AeroElectric-List: BatteryTerminalBoltCorrosion > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" > > I'm thinking of replacing the 3/16 coarse thread bolts that came with my Panasonic LC-RD1217P battery with cadmium plated fine thread AN bolts. Do the Panasonic bolts have any special corrosion prevention properties that would be lost by going to cadmium plate? > > Dave Reel - RV8A > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:44 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: DON'T E-MAIL ME --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Why don't you just scroll down and use the link for subscriptions and unsubscribe? No one else can do this simple job but you! Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club Newsletter Editor & EAA TC www.bellanca-championclub.com Actively supporting Aeroncas every day Quarterly newsletters on time Reasonable document reprints 1-518-731-6800 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lane, Stacey" Subject: AeroElectric-List: DON'T E-MAIL ME > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lane, Stacey" > > DO NOT SEND ME ANY MORE OF THESE E-MAILS.... I HAVE NOT REQUESTED NOR DO I > WANT THEM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III [mailto:bob.nuckolls@cox.net] > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: terminal strips > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > > > At 10:05 PM 7/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > > > > > > oooohhhh . . . how did you decide to insert so many threaded > > > fasteners into your system? I really do my best to inject no > > > threaded fastener where it can be avoided. > > > >Good question. I do have a 10-circuit AMP Commercial MATE-N-LOK connector > >and pins...I suppose that's just as good as a terminal strip for being able > >to reassign functions by simply moving pins, huh (this is for stick switch > >wiring assignments). Hm...maybe I'll switch to the connector. > > How about a d-sub? Smaller, has strain-relief hoods. > Can use machined pins . . . > > Bob . . . > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:26 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: AeroElectric-List: 4-conductor shielded wire source --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" Can anybody recommend a source for 4-conductor shielded wire? This is for the remote compass harness on the Dynon EFIS-D10. Power, ground, tx, rx. Thanks, )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:47 PM PST US From: TSaccio@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: 4-conductor shielded wire source --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: TSaccio@aol.com Try wire master @ 800 635-5342 or www.wiremasters.net ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:48 PM PST US From: WHigg1170@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: wire current & Resistance for 26ga wire. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: WHigg1170@aol.com Hello need some help on wire sizing, all my wire size charts only go up to 24 GA wire The vans instruments have 26 GA wire for the instrument lighting and the charts don't give me the maximum current (amps) and resistance (ohms/ft) IM looking for. What I want to do is connect one light to the next for six lights but the wire coming from the lights is only 26 gage and I don't know if at the end when I have one 26 GA wire powering 6 instrument lights is big enough. maybe this is not the way to wire them but how do I get 6 wires onto the one screw on the circuit breaker. Thanks for any input. Bill ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:20 PM PST US From: drew.schumann@us.army.mil Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Electrical courses on aerolearn.com --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: drew.schumann@us.army.mil Cool! Thanks a bunch. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Rice Subject: AeroElectric-List: Electrical courses on aerolearn.com > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mike Rice > > > Drew- > > Some of Bob's Aeroconnection courses are available on > Aerolearn.com, > > along with a variety of other electrical and electronic > subjects. All > > courses on Aerolearn are free, and are primarily of interest to > > Aircraft Maintenance Technicians. You have to register to access > the > > site. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Mike Rice > > Aerolearn.com > > > > > _- > _- > _- > _- > ====================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:24 PM PST US From: drew.schumann@us.army.mil Subject: Re: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: drew.schumann@us.army.mil Thanks for the suggestion, John. Unfortunately, the army (who so kindly allows me access to this computer) has capriciously decided to filter out that site, as an evil "hobbies" site. I'll try to find a workaround to hack through the filter, (a guy has to have interests) but for now, that site is on the face of the moon, for me. Thanks for the interest. I really appreciate it. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: John Slade Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Slade" > > > So. My question to the list, is, "What would be a good way to > > gain experience with electronic stuff, having rather limited > > access to equipment I can actually touch a mess with?" > You could build one of the marker beacon / audio panel kits at > http://rst-engr.com/ > John Slade > Cozy IV > > > _- > _- > _- > _- > ====================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:57 PM PST US From: BAKEROCB@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Professsional Panel Construction --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BAKEROCB@aol.com AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: Ron Patterson <> 7/18/2003 Hello Ron, It is a fur piece (as we say down home) from California to Virginia, but I can highly recommend David Buckwalter (Avionics Systems Inc) right here in Leesburg VA. See his ad on page 25 of the July 2003 issue of Sport Aviation. His web site is <>. 'OC' Baker, Builder of KIS TR-1 #116 4/14/97 - ?/?/? PS: If you want to see a picture of the panel that he built for my plane send me a mailing address by direct email and I'll send one or two to you. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:51 PM PST US From: "J. Oberst" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Panel markings --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "J. Oberst" I had vinyl lettering made by the local sign-maker. He had to try a couple of times to get the vinyl cut just right so the small letters separated well. I think we used 12-point. I had to separate the letters from the background and pick out the centers... I couldn't pay that guy enough to do it. But it wasn't very difficult, and it looks real good. Jim Oberst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neville Kilford" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Panel markings > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neville Kilford" > > Hi guys, > > I've noted on Bob's toggle switch layouts that they look fantastic with all > the text and boxes marked on the panel. How does one get a neat job of this, > and other placarding, on a real panel? I can only think of screen printing, > but it would be pretty expensive for a one-off. > > Any suggestions or experiences gratefully appreciated. > > Cheers. > > Nev > > -- > Jodel D150 in progress > UK > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:56 PM PST US From: drew.schumann@us.army.mil Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: drew.schumann@us.army.mil Sorry, donations are not necessary. I just need to know where to order it from. I'll be surfing as I'm able to find something appropriate. Thanks for the thought, though. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: richard@riley.net Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net > > I don't have the expertise to put together a kit that would be > useful, but > I'll contribute $20 toward it if anyone will put it together and > send it out. > > You may be beyond it, but Bob has a Navy electronics course on his > server, > zipped PDF files. You can download it at > http://216.55.140.222/CD/Text.zip > > At 09:36 AM 7/18/03 +0400, you wrote: > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: drew.schumann@us.army.mil > > > >I am a new listmember and a new A&P. I was hired by a local > airport, in > >the hopes that I could "grow into" the job, and become an > avionics > >technician as well. After four weeks on the job, I was called to > active > >duty and am currently in Iraq. As a result of my MOS not being > in very > >big demand, I have a lot of spare time, and I'd like to make the > maximum > >use of that time. I am currently studying for my FCC General > license > >using a pre-programmed curriculum and have a good theoretical > knowledge of > >electricity/electronics, but what I lack is actual experience. > > > _- > _- > _- > _- > ====================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:57 PM PST US From: "Tony Babb" Subject: Re: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tony Babb" Drew, Ok, so we need to find a site that the army hasn't filtered, right. Once that's found all we need to do is put "stuff" there temporarily that you can download right? Can you access www.alejandra.net/velocity ? If so perhaps Bob can suggest some suitable articles/ materials that can be downloaded from his site or elsewhere and uploaded to www.alejandra.net/velocity. We can leave them there until you're done downloading then I'll delete them. Cheers, ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: drew.schumann@us.army.mil > > Thanks for the suggestion, John. Unfortunately, the army (who so kindly allows me access to this computer) has capriciously decided to filter out that site, as an evil "hobbies" site. > > I'll try to find a workaround to hack through the filter, (a guy has to have interests) but for now, that site is on the face of the moon, for me. > > Thanks for the interest. I really appreciate it. > > Drew > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Slade > Date: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:41 pm > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Slade" > > > > > So. My question to the list, is, "What would be a good way to > > > gain experience with electronic stuff, having rather limited > > > access to equipment I can actually touch a mess with?" > > You could build one of the marker beacon / audio panel kits at > > http://rst-engr.com/ > > John Slade > > Cozy IV > > > > > > _- > > _- > > _- > > _- > > ====================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:36 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: 4-conductor shielded wire source --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" Doh!! I just made that harness using unshielded wire. Where is shielded specified? - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com 2003 - The year of flight! > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Checkoway [mailto:dan@rvproject.com] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:30 PM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: 4-conductor shielded wire source > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > --> > > Can anybody recommend a source for 4-conductor shielded wire? > > This is for the remote compass harness on the Dynon EFIS-D10. > Power, ground, tx, rx. > > Thanks, > )_( Dan > RV-7 N714D > http://www.rvproject.com > > > ========== > Matronics Forums. > ========== > List members. > ========== > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm > Search Engine: http://www.matronics.com/search > ========== > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:43 PM PST US From: richard@riley.net Subject: Re: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net Drew, try it this way, this gets past the filters in China and Iran right now... http://web.archive.org/web/20020122175550/http://rst-engr.com/ At 05:16 AM 7/19/03 +0400, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: drew.schumann@us.army.mil > >Thanks for the suggestion, John. Unfortunately, the army (who so kindly >allows me access to this computer) has capriciously decided to filter out >that site, as an evil "hobbies" site. > >I'll try to find a workaround to hack through the filter, (a guy has to >have interests) but for now, that site is on the face of the moon, for me. > >Thanks for the interest. I really appreciate it. > >Drew > >----- Original Message ----- >From: John Slade >Date: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:41 pm >Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Slade" > > > > > So. My question to the list, is, "What would be a good way to > > > gain experience with electronic stuff, having rather limited > > > access to equipment I can actually touch a mess with?" > > You could build one of the marker beacon / audio panel kits at > > http://rst-engr.com/ > > John Slade > > Cozy IV > > > > > > _- > > _- > > _- > > _- > > ====================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:12 PM PST US From: drew.schumann@us.army.mil Subject: Re: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: drew.schumann@us.army.mil Tony, I can get to that site, and to Bob's. Not necessary to bring stuff from Bob's to yours. Thank you very much for your efforts. As far as reading material is concerned, I have plenty. I don't know how long it will take, but the aeroelectric manual, I ordered yesterday and can keep quite busy through downloaded stuff I can actually get to. I enrolled in the elearn site and that is also very well. If you find anything in the form of projects, please feel free to let me know, and if you'd like, we could execute it much like you've described, if I cannot access it through the army's filter. Thank you for your help and concern. My compliments to your generous spouse, as well. My wife, Ellen, who is the family pilot, is the wind under my wings as well. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Babb Subject: Re: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Tony Babb" > > Drew, > > Ok, so we need to find a site that the army hasn't filtered, > right. Once > that's found all we need to do is put "stuff" there temporarily > that you can > download right? Can you access www.alejandra.net/velocity ? If so > perhapsBob can suggest some suitable articles/ materials that can > be downloaded > from his site or elsewhere and uploaded to > www.alejandra.net/velocity. We > can leave them there until you're done downloading then I'll > delete them. > > Cheers, > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics > education question > > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: drew.schumann@us.army.mil > > > > Thanks for the suggestion, John. Unfortunately, the army (who > so kindly > allows me access to this computer) has capriciously decided to > filter out > that site, as an evil "hobbies" site. > > > > I'll try to find a workaround to hack through the filter, (a guy > has to > have interests) but for now, that site is on the face of the moon, > for me. > > > > Thanks for the interest. I really appreciate it. > > > > Drew > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Slade > > Date: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:41 pm > > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education > question> > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Slade" > > > > > > > So. My question to the list, is, "What would be a good way to > > > > gain experience with electronic stuff, having rather limited > > > > access to equipment I can actually touch a mess with?" > > > You could build one of the marker beacon / audio panel kits at > > > http://rst-engr.com/ > > > John Slade > > > Cozy IV > > > > > > > > > _- > > > _- > > > _- > > > _- > > > > ======================================================================> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _- > _- > _- > _- > ====================================================================== > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:34 PM PST US From: drew.schumann@us.army.mil Subject: Re: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: drew.schumann@us.army.mil Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: richard@riley.net Subject: Re: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education question > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net > > Drew, try it this way, this gets past the filters in China and > Iran right > now... > > http://web.archive.org/web/20020122175550/http://rst-engr.com/ > > > At 05:16 AM 7/19/03 +0400, you wrote: > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: drew.schumann@us.army.mil > > > >Thanks for the suggestion, John. Unfortunately, the army (who so > kindly > >allows me access to this computer) has capriciously decided to > filter out > >that site, as an evil "hobbies" site. > > > >I'll try to find a workaround to hack through the filter, (a guy > has to > >have interests) but for now, that site is on the face of the > moon, for me. > > > >Thanks for the interest. I really appreciate it. > > > >Drew > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: John Slade > >Date: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:41 pm > >Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Electrics/electronics education > question> > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Slade" > > > > > > > So. My question to the list, is, "What would be a good way to > > > > gain experience with electronic stuff, having rather limited > > > > access to equipment I can actually touch a mess with?" > > > You could build one of the marker beacon / audio panel kits at > > > http://rst-engr.com/ > > > John Slade > > > Cozy IV > > > > > > > > > _- > > > _- > > > _- > > > _- > > > > ======================================================================> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _- > _- > _- > _- > ====================================================================== > > > >