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1. 01:14 AM - Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem (Gilles.Thesee)
2. 02:40 AM - Re: Instrument cutouts (Neville Kilford)
3. 03:35 AM - Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem (Werner Schneider)
4. 04:17 AM - Re: Oil alarm design (Trampas)
5. 05:03 AM - connectors (Jones, Michael)
6. 05:08 AM - Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem (ivorphillips)
7. 06:19 AM - Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem (DWENSING@aol.com)
8. 06:38 AM - Re: "Plenum" rated CAT5 cable (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 06:42 AM - Re: Z-13 All Electric Airplane on a Budget (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 06:49 AM - Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 06:51 AM - Re: connectors (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: amphenol connectors for gyro (Gkb5577@aol.com)
13. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: B&C 20 amp vac pad failure, Pictures L (George Braly)
14. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: amphenol connectors for gyro (Philip Hildebrand)
15. 09:07 AM - alternator field cut-off (Dj Merrill)
16. 10:15 AM - Re: Ford Regulato (MikeM)
17. 10:30 AM - Fuel Gauge senders (MikeM)
18. 12:04 PM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 09/28/03 (Nick Gaglia)
19. 12:09 PM - Re: Oil alarm design (Gilles.Thesee)
20. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: B&C 20 amp vac pad failure, (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
21. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: amphenol connectors for gyro (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
22. 12:28 PM - Re: RC Allen Gyro electrical connector (Rino)
23. 12:43 PM - Re: LED Position Lights (Shaun Simpkins)
24. 01:04 PM - Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem (Joel Harding)
25. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: amphenol connectors for gyro (Gkb5577@aol.com)
26. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: amphenol (Gkb5577@aol.com)
27. 03:08 PM - Re: RC Allen Gyro electrical connector (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
28. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: amphenol connectors for gyro (Gkb5577@aol.com)
29. 03:24 PM - Re: Oil alarm design (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
30. 03:25 PM - Re: RC Allen Gyro electrical connector (Gkb5577@aol.com)
31. 04:28 PM - Re: alternator field cut-off (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
32. 04:50 PM - Re: COZY: Somebody is Infected!!! (Neil Clayton)
33. 06:18 PM - Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
34. 06:59 PM - Re: RC Allen Gyro electrical connector - Photo Correction (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
35. 07:36 PM - Re: Z-14 with SD-8???? (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
36. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: RC Allen Gyro electrical connector (Rino)
37. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: COZY: Somebody is Infected!!! (Rob Housman)
38. 08:35 PM - Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem (John F. Herminghaus)
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
> shuckypoo . . . I did a 430 installation in the AGATE Bonanza
> a a couple of years ago and had a copy of the complete installation
> manual from Garmin. Dug around in the archives and couldn't put
> my hands on it. I probably gave it back to the folks at RAC.
> Sorry.
Hi Bob and Mike
Some months ago I succeeded in donwnloading the complete installation and
user manuals from the Garmin website. They seem to have changed their links
and the manuals seem no longer available.
At the moment my connection time is limited so I'm not able to forward it
right now, buy if you ask questions maybe I can be of some help.
What is a Navaid, and what kind of signal does it need ?
Regards
Gilles
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument cutouts |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neville Kilford" <nkilford@etravel.org>
>
> Can anyone recommend a spacing for instruments, or make any other
suggestions
> for this?
>
Thanks for all the opinions on this -- I shouldn't be so impatient I suppose.
I'll hang fire for the moment. Difficult to do though, since I have a radio
harness that's itching to be installed...
Nev
--
Jodel D150 in progress
UK
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider" <wernerschneider@compuserve.com>
Hello Gilles,
Navaid is a Autopilot and most probably needs GPS serial out data.
Werner (now flying my Star)
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From: "Gilles.Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430 wiring problem
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee"
<Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> > shuckypoo . . . I did a 430 installation in the AGATE Bonanza
> > a a couple of years ago and had a copy of the complete installation
> > manual from Garmin. Dug around in the archives and couldn't put
> > my hands on it. I probably gave it back to the folks at RAC.
> > Sorry.
>
> Hi Bob and Mike
>
> Some months ago I succeeded in donwnloading the complete installation and
> user manuals from the Garmin website. They seem to have changed their
links
> and the manuals seem no longer available.
>
> At the moment my connection time is limited so I'm not able to forward it
> right now, buy if you ask questions maybe I can be of some help.
> What is a Navaid, and what kind of signal does it need ?
>
> Regards
>
> Gilles
>
>
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| Subject: | Oil alarm design |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
The easier solution is to get an oil pressure switch and tee it in with your
oil pressure sender. This way you have a true back up system.
Trampas
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Gilles.Thesee
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Oil alarm design
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee"
<Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Hi Bob and all,
Could anyone help me to design a simple circuit ? The idea is to turn on an
idiot light every time the voltage from an oil pressure sensor is below a
certain (ajustable) threshold.
The sender output is 0.5 to 4.5 volts.
Digging around I scribbled something with an op amp and a 2N4400 transistor,
but I'm not sure about which wire goes to which pin.
Any advice or schematics appreciated.
Thank you
Gilles
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jones, Michael" <MJones@hatch.ca>
hi bob
got your post today, as only have email at work, cant due pics but will get
numbers tonight and send to you, i took the 3 apart on weekend however and
the terminals look like they take solder, but as i have nevr seen before
will see what you say
thanx
mike
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "ivorphillips" <ivor@ivorphillips.flyer.co.uk>
Hi Mike
i have sent you the garmin 400 installation manual, this should answer all
your questions,
regards
Ivor Phillips
europa xs
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From: <mstewart@qa.butler.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430 wiring problem
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
>
> I am installing my Garmin 430. It was pre-wired, meaning connectors are
> wired with wires hanging out and labeled. I can not find any wires labled
> gps data out. I have d/l the pinouts from AE's site and none of the
> connectors seems to have this designation. I am trying to drive my Navaid
> with the 430 gps. I surely hope that this thing has a gps data out. Do
they
> call it something different?
> Thanks
> Mike Stewart
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
In a message dated 9/28/03 8:22:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mstewart@qa.butler.com writes:
> I am installing my Garmin 430. It was prewired, meaning connectors are
> wired with wires hanging out and labeled. I cannot find any wires labeled
> GPS data out. I have d/l the pinouts from AE's site and none of the
> connectors seems to have this designation. I am trying to drive my Navaid
> with the 430 GPS. I surely hope that this thing has a GPS data out. Do they
> call it something different?
> Thanks
> Mike Stewart
>
Mike,
You may want to also check on the compatibility of the two units. A friend
has a 430 and Navaid in his Velocity and found the Porcine Smart Coupler for the
Navaid wing leveler uses a data steam from hand held GPS units which is
different from that from the panel mount 430. Apparently that can be overcome but
does require modification.
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | "Plenum" rated CAT5 cable |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 02:57 AM 9/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robinson, Chad"
><crobinson@rfgonline.com>
>
> > Not too worried about insulation . . . that's just really
> > small, single strand wire. I think I'd vote for 19-strand,
> > 22AWG, over 26AWG cat-5 cable strands any day.
>
>I'm specifically referring to solid-core conductors here, as that's what I
>exclusively ran for customers and thus it's what I happen to have to
>spare. This particular cable is marked 24AWG, and I have no reason to
>believe it's mislabeled despite having no micrometer to measure it with.
>
>I neglected to mention that it's actually shielded (STP) as well. As I
>noted before, shielded multi-conductor cabling is very difficult to find
>in Tefzel with more than 3 conductors. This has 8, which lets me greatly
>simplify a particular portion of my harness without sacrifice, as long as
>there isn't a safety sacrifice involved.
Well, it IS an OBAM aircraft and you can use anything
you like to wire it up. I've seen airplanes at OSH
that used much worse. What systems are you wiring that
need so many shielded conductors wherein bundling them
all together in Cat-5 cable is useful to you?
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Z-13 All Electric Airplane on a Budget |
m>
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 02:45 PM 9/29/2003 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Bob,
>
>I have one specific question to the Z-13 setup with the SD-8 perm. magnet
>dynamo. I look at the section with the relay (?) that connects/disconnects
>the dynamo feed to the battery/battery bus. So far I believe to have
>learned that in order to close this contact/relay we need to apply power
>to the relay to generate the magnetic field that will close the main
>contactor. So far I have failed to understand how this contacter get's
>powered if no juice is left in the battery for whatever reason...
It doesn't. Even the SD-8 alternator needs some battery
on line to get it started.
It's a feature of the regulator design. A properly
maintained RG battery is the most reliable source of power
in your airplane. There is little value in planning
a system to accommodate the extremely rare occurrence
of an internal battery failure.
Bob . . .
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( Knowing about a thing is different than )
( understanding it. One can know a lot )
( and still understand nothing. )
( C.F. Kettering )
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 09:52 AM 9/29/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee"
><Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> > shuckypoo . . . I did a 430 installation in the AGATE Bonanza
> > a a couple of years ago and had a copy of the complete installation
> > manual from Garmin. Dug around in the archives and couldn't put
> > my hands on it. I probably gave it back to the folks at RAC.
> > Sorry.
>
>Hi Bob and Mike
>
>Some months ago I succeeded in donwnloading the complete installation and
>user manuals from the Garmin website. They seem to have changed their links
>and the manuals seem no longer available.
>
>At the moment my connection time is limited so I'm not able to forward it
>right now, buy if you ask questions maybe I can be of some help.
>What is a Navaid, and what kind of signal does it need ?
The last time I saw a Navaid wiring diagram, it used analog
CDI steering signals for radio aided navigation. I find the
following information on this topic on Nav-Aid's website:
http://navaid-devices.com/coupler2.htm
They're still an analog input autopilot. They've joined
forces with Porcine Associates who developed a coupler
that converts the digital output from hand held (and
most panel mounted) gps receivers to mimic a VOR receiver.
Bob . . .
--------------------------------------------
( Knowing about a thing is different than )
( understanding it. One can know a lot )
( and still understand nothing. )
( C.F. Kettering )
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 08:02 AM 9/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jones, Michael" <MJones@hatch.ca>
>
>hi bob
>
>got your post today, as only have email at work, cant due pics but will get
>numbers tonight and send to you, i took the 3 apart on weekend however and
>the terminals look like they take solder, but as i have nevr seen before
>will see what you say
>
>thanx
If the pins are already installed, then they do attach
to wires with solder. Crimp pins are loose and installed
on wires with proper tool before inserting them into
the connector. Are your connectors new or used?
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: amphenol connectors for gyro |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gkb5577@aol.com
I got a RC Allen -25 electric gyro but it needs n Amphenol 123-223 five pin
plug: Does AO know where I can get one of these critters? I'm to the point of
thinking about setting up the pins in a pattern to match and the pot it with
structural epoxy. Geoff.
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| Subject: | Re: B&C 20 amp vac pad failure, Pictures L |
ink has Changed
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: George Braly <gwbraly@gami.com>
Bob,
We have a very robust shake table suitable for piston engine vibration
frequency test work.
If you want to try to try to deliberately re-create the over torque problem
we could probably run some vibration testing on it.
Regards, George
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III [mailto:bob.nuckolls@cox.net]
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: B&C 20 amp vac pad failure, Pictures
L ink has Changed
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 11:19 PM 9/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: George Braly <gwbraly@gami.com>
>
>
>Bob,
>
>Can you tell us what the working hypothesis is as to the root cause?
>
>Regards, George
sure . . . this wasn't a single crack event . . . each of
the four mounting ears was independently overstressed. Each
parted the rest of the alternator individually. The
initial examination of the fractures shows no casting flaws.
The remaining ear was close to failure. It broke off with
a pair of pliers and hand-generated bending stresses.
We think the bolts were tightened down too tight and gasket
thickness was reduced enough to bow the flange and put an
abnormal bending load on the ears.
If it were my airplane, I'd pitch the paper gasket and
use a suitable brush-on gasket replacement material that
would extrude out and avoid bending loads by getting the
two machined flats to lay right against each other.
This is only failure of the type for this product for
several thousand installations. Although this event
transpired on an experimental airplane, it's the same
alternator as the STC/PMA installations . . . they're
going to do a full investigation and report for the FAA.
We'll post the final analysis results here on the AEList.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: amphenol connectors for gyro |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Philip Hildebrand <phildebrand@pritchardindustrial.com>
Aircraft Spruce MS3116E8-4S $18.95.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Gkb5577@aol.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: amphenol connectors for gyro
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gkb5577@aol.com
I got a RC Allen -25 electric gyro but it needs n Amphenol 123-223 five
pin
plug: Does AO know where I can get one of these critters? I'm to the
point of
thinking about setting up the pins in a pattern to match and the pot it
with
structural epoxy. Geoff.
==
==
http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report
==
==
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| Subject: | alternator field cut-off |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Hi all,
I'm rebuilding/rewiring some of the electrics on a
used Glasair that I bought, and in particular know that the
alternator field cut-off switch is not "right" at present.
It is currently sourced from the instrument panel
power switch (which is in turn sourced from the master
power switch), and is simply a cheap switch that looks like
it came from Radio Shack.
I'm thinking of rewiring this to use a 5A circuit breaker
in place of the cheap switch, and source it directly
from the master power switch, and mount it above the
low voltage warning light. My thoughts are that I can
pull the circuit breaker, and that effectively acts as a "switch".
Is this sound reasoning, or am I missing something critical
and there is a better way to do this?
Thanks,
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill Thayer School of Engineering
ThUG Sr. Unix Systems Administrator 8000 Cummings Hall
deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu - N1JOV Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH 03755
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section,
it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
-Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: Ford Regulato |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeM <mladejov@ced.utah.edu>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ken Harrill <KHarrill@osa.state.sc.us>
>
> I am using a generic Ford regulator and I am having problems with voltage
> instability.
Much has been written about unstable voltage regulators in
Cessnas and Pipers on "rec.aviation.owning". Go to Google
Groups and do a keyword search for "pulsing ammeter".
Here is one post that I wrote:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N3E825B06
>If I connect the field terminal on the regulator (A and S)
> directly to the buss terminal of the master contactor, the voltage becomes
> stable. I tried connecting the field terminal to several points in the
> circuit between the master contactor and the regulator. It seems that the
> further downstream from the master contactor that I make the connection the
> higher the resulting system voltage. The instability seems to be associated
> with the circuit breaker ( I am using OV circuitry per the Aeroelectric
> Connection). I have installed a new voltage regulator and tried two
> different circuit breakers without improvement. My questions are:
>
> 1. Is the "S" terminal of the regulator the "sense" input? If so could I
> connect this terminal permanently, thru a fuselink, to the buss terminal of
> the master contactor?
Yes and no. The VR does "sense" the bus voltage thru this
terminal, but since the field current to the alternator (about
3A peak) also flows along this wire, then if there is any
resistance in this wire between the bus and the S terminal, then
the voltage the VR senses is reduced by the drop across the
upstream resistance. If the drop is more than a couple of tenths
of volts, then this will cause the instablility (positve
feedback). Even if it doesn't oscillate, then the drop will
confuse the VR causing it to overcharge the battery.
> 2. Why would the circuit breaker cause instability? The two that I tried
> are Klixon 5 AMP breakers. Both show .6 OHM resistance. I plan to buy
> another breaker in case I have two bad ones.
See above. 0.6 Ohms sounds high. My Piper has a 5A breaker in
this path without instability. The Cessna just has a series
switch with no breaker.
> 3. What is a acceptable system voltage? When the field wire is connected
> directly to the buss terminal of the master contactor, the system voltage is
> 14.4 and stable. When connected to the buss side of the breaker, the system
> voltage is 14.7. When connected to the regulator side of the breaker, the
> system voltage is 14.9 to 15.3 and is unstable.
If the battery is aft of the firewall, then the VR should be
mounted near the battery so that it can sense the ambient
temperature that the battery is subject to. The bus voltage
should be 14.4 in cold weather and 14.25 in hot weather. If both
battery and VR are mounted on the engine side of the firewall,
then the bus voltage should be 14.2V once everything has warmed
up.
Mike Mladejovsky, PhD EE
Pacer '00Z (Prestolite alternator)
Skylane '1MM (ditto)
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| Subject: | Fuel Gauge senders |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: MikeM <mladejov@ced.utah.edu>
Last week, the tank-mounted electric fuel pump went out in my
'98 K1500 Chev pick-up. Several $hundred later, I have a new
pump assembly. I retrived the failed assembly from my mechanic.
I was surprised that the assembly contains the fuel level sender
in addition to the pump, a pressure switch and miscellaneous
spigots. I took the sender off the pump, and checked it with an
Ohmmeter. Shows 45 Ohms empty (float at bottom) and 250 Ohms
full. The resistance element is a screened thin-film resistor
on a ceramic substrate. The float arm contacts appear to be made
out of phosphor-bronze.
The unit seems to be well made. Much better than the senders
used in Cessnas and Pipers.
Homebuilders looking for a cheap source of a float/sender
assembly could go to any auto maintenance garage and have the
mechanic there save the "dead" pumps from GM vehicles. My
mechanic says that he replaces a couple of these each week. Most
customers dont want them, so he throws them in the trash.
Mike Mladejovsky
Pacer '00Z
Skylane '1MM
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| Subject: | RE: AeroElectric-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 09/28/03 |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Nick Gaglia <ngaglia@calpine.com>
Bob
Do you have a version of Z-14 with an SD-8 alternator using the voltage
regulator that comes with it.
Regards
Nick Gaglia
Livermore RV-8
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1. 12:19 AM - Fw: Vacuum regulator (j1j2h3@juno.com)
2. 06:46 AM - Re: Alternator Wiring (Neil Clayton)
3. 09:05 AM - Dielectric grease recommendations (David A. Leonard)
4. 10:07 AM - Re: Dielectric grease recommendations (Robert L.
Nuckolls, III)
5. 10:08 AM - Re: Alternator Wiring (Jim Jewell)
6. 10:35 AM - Re: less expensive power supply with (william mills)
7. 10:48 AM - Re: Alternator Wiring (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 12:11 PM - Oil alarm design (Gilles.Thesee)
9. 01:21 PM - Re: Dielectric grease recommendations (Gkb5577@aol.com)
10. 02:12 PM - Re: rg 142 or 400, which is best (CardinalNSB@aol.com)
11. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: rg 142 or 400, which is best (Robert L.
Nuckolls, III)
12. 04:20 PM - Re: Alternator Wiring (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
13. 04:21 PM - Re: Dielectric grease recommendations (Eric M. Jones)
14. 04:25 PM - Re: B&C 20 amp vac pad failure, Pictures Link has Changed
(Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
15. 04:38 PM - Link changes (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
16. 05:06 PM - Re: Dielectric grease recommendations (DWENSING@aol.com)
17. 05:21 PM - Garmin 430 wiring problem (mstewart@qa.butler.com)
18. 07:22 PM - Re: Alternator Wiring (Jim Sower)
19. 07:42 PM - Re: Dielectric grease recommendations (Jim Jewell)
20. 08:08 PM - Re: Alternator Pulley Size (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
21. 08:12 PM - "Plenum" rated CAT5 cable (Robinson, Chad)
22. 08:59 PM - Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
23. 09:01 PM - Re: amphenol connectors (Hey Mike!!!) (Robert L.
Nuckolls, III)
24. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: B&C 20 amp vac pad failure, Pictures L (George
Braly)
25. 10:52 PM - Re: Re: B&C 20 amp vac pad failure, (Robert L. Nuckolls,
III)
26. 10:53 PM - Re: "Plenum" rated CAT5 cable (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 12:19:10 AM PST US
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Fw: Vacuum regulator
From: j1j2h3@juno.com
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: j1j2h3@juno.com
Does anyone who is converting their system to all-electric have a vacuum
regulator for sale (cheap)?
Jim Hasper - RV-7 just starting empennage (setting up shop in Franklin,
TN)
Do not archive
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 06:46:20 AM PST US
From: Neil Clayton <harvey4@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alternator Wiring
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Neil Clayton
<harvey4@earthlink.net>
Spruce sells a 4", "V" pulley. Page 245, $48.95.
Check the ID
Neil
At 03:47 AM 9/27/03, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
><neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
>Listers
>
>I have obtained an almost new Nipon Denzo alternator off a Toyota which I
>intend fitting to a Lyco320 In my RV9.
>I have a couple of questions. Firstly I assume it's internally regulated
>although it has a 3 wire socket, what are the 3 connections for and is a
>mating plug readily available. Van's sell one that looks as if fits.
>Secondly it is currently fitted with a flat belt pulley which I need to
>change this to a V belt. I seem to recall Bob Avery used to sell a larger
>dia pulley, is this worth considering and if not could anyone direct me to
>source of standard sized pulleys.
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>Neil Henderson RV9-A n/r Aylesbury UK
>
>
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 09:05:42 AM PST US
From: "David A. Leonard" <dleonar1@maine.rr.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Dielectric grease recommendations
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David A. Leonard"
<dleonar1@maine.rr.com>
Group, could someone shed a little light on what kind of grease to use for
connections..This from my Bellanca Viking group, discussing the use of
grease on the starter supply wiring connections from the group:
--- In VikingChat@yahoogroups.com, "David A. Leonard"
<dleonar1@m...> wrote:
> ....Now you are halfway there. Find the ground wire from the
engine back to the mount, remove and clean both ends of the ground
wire or strap, grease and securely re-connect.
ir
>Dave -- I assume you mean generic grease, like wheel bearing
>grease. I remember learning somewhere that silicone grease is
>better for this purpose. Can you or someone else confirm or dispute
>this call?
I wrote:
You are correct sir!
The grease I use comes from NAPA, it is produced(or labeled) by Echlin, who
is an aftermarket supplier of electrical components. The label suggests
using it on Ford high tension ignition harness components.. in the
distributor cap, under the plug wire boots.
You can also find it called "di-electric" grease.
I am not sure if it is exactly the right stuff to use..I think that the
function is to exclude air and moisture to stop corrosion from occurring.
I have honestly used all kinds of different greases on battery terminals
and ligh bulb bases over the years, with good results.
I'll ask the
http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list/Digest.AeroElectric-List.2
003-09-27.html
guys, no doubt these gurus will have an informed opinion. They refer to
connections properly made as being "gas-tight".
David Leonard N77FE
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Time: 10:07:41 AM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dielectric grease recommendations
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 12:01 PM 9/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David A. Leonard"
><dleonar1@maine.rr.com>
>
>
>Group, could someone shed a little light on what kind of grease to use for
>connections..This from my Bellanca Viking group, discussing the use of
>grease on the starter supply wiring connections from the group:
>
>--- In VikingChat@yahoogroups.com, "David A. Leonard"
><dleonar1@m...> wrote:
<snip>
My personal favorite for such applications is
Dow Corning DC-4 . . . a silicon based grease
with the consistency of peanut butter.
See:
http://www.skygeek.com/dowcordc4eli.html
http://www.seabird.com/pdf_documents/msds_sheets/dc4.pdf
Prices for this stuff can be all over the map. Shop
around . . . A tube will last you a lifetime. My
6 oz. tube is 40 years old and only half gone.
Bob . . .
--------------------------------------------
( Knowing about a thing is different than )
( understanding it. One can know a lot )
( and still understand nothing. )
( C.F. Kettering )
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________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 10:08:47 AM PST US
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alternator Wiring
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hello Neil,
Keep in mind that the clearance between the cowling and the larger diameter
pulleys can be a nuisance factor.
Four inch would be a bit too large on my setup for an O360. On your O320
your distance might vary.
There is a lot of info in the archives re-larger pulleys and alternator
speed. I think the main concern would be too low voltage output at idle.
Jim in Kelowna
.----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Clayton" <harvey4@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alternator Wiring
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Neil Clayton
<harvey4@earthlink.net>
>
> Spruce sells a 4", "V" pulley. Page 245, $48.95.
> Check the ID
> Neil
>
>
> At 03:47 AM 9/27/03, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
> ><neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
> >
> >Listers
> >
> >I have obtained an almost new Nipon Denzo alternator off a Toyota which I
> >intend fitting to a Lyco320 In my RV9.
> >I have a couple of questions. Firstly I assume it's internally regulated
> >although it has a 3 wire socket, what are the 3 connections for and is a
> >mating plug readily available. Van's sell one that looks as if fits.
> >Secondly it is currently fitted with a flat belt pulley which I need to
> >change this to a V belt. I seem to recall Bob Avery used to sell a larger
> >dia pulley, is this worth considering and if not could anyone direct me
to
> >source of standard sized pulleys.
> >
> >Thanks for your help.
> >
> >Neil Henderson RV9-A n/r Aylesbury UK
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 6
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Time: 10:35:54 AM PST US
From: william mills <courierboy@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: less expensive power supply with
Aeroflash heads
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: william mills
<courierboy@earthlink.net>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Neil Clayton
<harvey4@earthlink.net>
>
>Mark....thanks for your interesting post. I saved your mail with the intent
>of researching the references you cite at the RV archives. But I can't find
>anything. I expect it's not the RV-8 list that I know about, but some
>other. I need this info since I'm doing my strobe research now. Could you
>point me where I can read everything you refer to?
>
>Thanks
>Neil
Neil -
Try this:
Go to: http://www.matronics.com/archives/
Click on RV8
Select "A" (from ABCDEF)
Click on "Open Search Engine"
Type "beer budget" (without quotes) in "Search String" box and click
on "Begin Search" box
You will see Mark's posts
Good luck -
Bill
do not archive
________________________________ Message 7
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Time: 10:48:36 AM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alternator Wiring
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 09:44 AM 9/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Neil Clayton
<harvey4@earthlink.net>
>
>Spruce sells a 4", "V" pulley. Page 245, $48.95.
>Check the ID
>Neil
I'd look for a relatively small pulley. Have
your alternator's rotor balanced and spin it fast.
One of the big advantages of an alternator is
an ability to get useful output power at ramp and
taxi engine speeds.
A number of builders have been advised to increase
pulley size to slow it down thus improving on bearing
life . . . indeed this will probably make a poorly
balanced rotor, or marginal bearings last longer
but . . .
B&C has been selling the ND alternators for
about 20 years. They get balanced and they leave
the factory with a small pulley. Wearout rates
on these machines are phenomenally low while
performance on the ground is as good as it gets.
There are some OBAM aircraft that get into
cowl clearance issues with larger pulleys . . .
watch out for this too.
Bob . . .
________________________________ Message 8
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Time: 12:11:58 PM PST US
From: "Gilles.Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Oil alarm design
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee"
<Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Hi Bob and all,
Could anyone help me to design a simple circuit ? The idea is to turn on an
idiot light every time the voltage from an oil pressure sensor is below a
certain (ajustable) threshold.
The sender output is 0.5 to 4.5 volts.
Digging around I scribbled something with an op amp and a 2N4400 transistor,
but I'm not sure about which wire goes to which pin.
Any advice or schematics appreciated.
Thank you
Gilles
________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
Time: 01:21:26 PM PST US
From: Gkb5577@aol.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dielectric grease recommendations
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gkb5577@aol.com
I'm new to the forum. I just got some dielectric grease off Ebay--3 tubes (
big ones) for about $20. I'm curious too can bearing grease work? The
idea
must have started some time ago with an old-timer and I JUST BET that the
type
actually isn't all that important. (?????) Geoff
________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
Time: 02:12:31 PM PST US
From: CardinalNSB@aol.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: rg 142 or 400, which is best
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: CardinalNSB@aol.com
I understand FAA requires 142 or 400 coax now, whichis "best", thanks, Skip
Simpson
________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________
Time: 03:59:56 PM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: rg 142 or 400, which is best
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 05:12 PM 9/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: CardinalNSB@aol.com
>
>I understand FAA requires 142 or 400 coax now, whichis "best", thanks, Skip
>Simpson
The FAA doesn't require any particular coaxial cable, there
are only general requirements as to what materials are
allowed on board in the tireless quest for ever improved
safety. There are lots of coaxes that would meet these
requirements. Having said that, RG400 and RG142 are both
members of a family of modern coaxial cables and either
is fine. RG400 has a stranded center conductor, RG142 has
a solid center conductor. The choice is yours.
Bob . . .
________________________________ Message 12
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Time: 04:20:53 PM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alternator Wiring
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 08:47 AM 9/27/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
><neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
>
>Listers
>
>I have obtained an almost new Nipon Denzo alternator off a Toyota which I
>intend fitting to a Lyco320 In my RV9.
>I have a couple of questions. Firstly I assume it's internally regulated
>although it has a 3 wire socket, what are the 3 connections for and is a
>mating plug readily available. Van's sell one that looks as if fits.
You only need to attach to one of the three terminals
and a 1/4" faston terminal works good. Are there any
labels adjacent to the terminals?
Bob . . .
________________________________ Message 13
____________________________________
Time: 04:21:59 PM PST US
From: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Dielectric grease recommendations
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones"
<emjones@charter.net>
Years ago my dad and I used to fix Stryker bone tools that would gum up in
sterilization. Stryker sold fancy grease but it would rapidly get gummy.
While searching for the right grease, a Mobil lubrication engineer said,
"Did you ever consider what a miracle wheel-bearing grease is? Mobil put
almost as much money into wheel-bearing grease research as the Manhattan
Project put into the A-bomb. Now you can buy a can for a couple of bucks.
Now THAT'S a miracle."
We bought the grease. Problem solved and a valuable lesson learned.
For the grease-before-crimp: Almost ANYTHING will do. Linseed oil...pine
tar...molasses...loctite.
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
Phone (508) 764-2072
Email: emjones@charter.net
________________________________ Message 14
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Time: 04:25:45 PM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: B&C 20 amp vac pad failure, Pictures Link
has Changed
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 09:42 AM 9/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
><bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>At 09:14 AM 9/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net
> >
> >I'm looking for someplace on the web to stash them - if anyone has a
> >suggestion, let me know. Preferably someplace that you don't have to
join
> >to access
>
>
> The pictures can be viewed at:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/SD-20A.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/SD-20B.jpg
> PRELIMINARY investigation suggests that (1) there are
> no casting flaws and (2) that in this particular case,
> there was not a single crack but a series of three
> independent failures for each of the three corners
> that broke off . . . the 4th had been overstressed and
> broke off with relatively low force bending applied with
> pliers.
>
> Let's be cautious with loose speculation . . . keep
> in mind that thousands of these alternators are in
> service over a service history of 9 years or better.
> There have been only three casting failures reported
> to B&C over this period of time.
>
> There is a working hypothesis as to root cause
> which will be developed and either confirmed or rejected.
> This is a high priority investigation and the results
> will be posted here and reported to the FAA as soon
> as credible data are available.
>
> Bob . . .
________________________________ Message 15
____________________________________
Time: 04:38:13 PM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Link changes
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
I'm not sure why it happens but on some links to my website,
Netscape captures the location as an IP based address
as opposed to a domain name based address. Hence, may
of the links I've published over the last two years have
the IP address 216.55.140.222 and a link might look like:
http://216.55.140.222/temp/Switches.pdf
When you encounter such a reference in the archives,
you can simply substitute the characters "aeroelectric.com"
for the string "216.55.140.222" and it should take you
to the new server.
Bob . . .
--------------------------------------------
( Knowing about a thing is different than )
( understanding it. One can know a lot )
( and still understand nothing. )
( C.F. Kettering )
--------------------------------------------
________________________________ Message 16
____________________________________
Time: 05:06:35 PM PST US
From: DWENSING@aol.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dielectric grease recommendations
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: DWENSING@aol.com
In a message dated 9/28/03 1:08:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bob.nuckolls@cox.net writes:
> My personal favorite for such applications is
> Dow Corning DC-4 . . . a silicon based grease
> with the consistency of peanut butter.
>
> Prices for this stuff can be all over the map. Shop
> around . . . A tube will last you a lifetime. My
> 6 oz. tube is 40 years old and only half gone.
>
Try a bearing supply house. Their price will probably be better than
the electrical supply places or aviation. Use to sell the stuff before I
retired.
Dale Ensing
________________________________ Message 17
____________________________________
Time: 05:21:40 PM PST US
From: mstewart@qa.butler.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430 wiring problem
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
I am installing my Garmin 430. It was pre-wired, meaning connectors are
wired with wires hanging out and labeled. I can not find any wires labled
gps data out. I have d/l the pinouts from AE's site and none of the
connectors seems to have this designation. I am trying to drive my Navaid
with the 430 gps. I surely hope that this thing has a gps data out. Do they
call it something different?
Thanks
Mike Stewart
________________________________ Message 18
____________________________________
Time: 07:22:55 PM PST US
From: Jim Sower <canarder@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alternator Wiring
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jim Sower
<canarder@frontiernet.net>
I had the same problem - serpentine pulley on the alternator, V-belt in the
airplane. I walked into the nearest alternator rebuild shop and walked out
with
a pulley for $15. Could have gotten a bigger one if I'd waited for them to
order
it.
Works for me .... Jim S.
Neil Clayton wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Neil Clayton
<harvey4@earthlink.net>
>
> Spruce sells a 4", "V" pulley. Page 245, $48.95.
> Check the ID
> Neil
>
> At 03:47 AM 9/27/03, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
> ><neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
> >
> >Listers
> >
> >I have obtained an almost new Nipon Denzo alternator off a Toyota which I
> >intend fitting to a Lyco320 In my RV9.
> >I have a couple of questions. Firstly I assume it's internally regulated
> >although it has a 3 wire socket, what are the 3 connections for and is a
> >mating plug readily available. Van's sell one that looks as if fits.
> >Secondly it is currently fitted with a flat belt pulley which I need to
> >change this to a V belt. I seem to recall Bob Avery used to sell a larger
> >dia pulley, is this worth considering and if not could anyone direct me
to
> >source of standard sized pulleys.
> >
> >Thanks for your help.
> >
> >Neil Henderson RV9-A n/r Aylesbury UK
> >
> >
>
--
Jim Sower
Crossville, TN; Chapter 5
Long-EZ N83RT, Velocity N4095T
________________________________ Message 19
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Time: 07:42:07 PM PST US
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Dielectric grease recommendations
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi David,
Various companies package a dielectric Grease. the tube I have in front of
me is a 'Pematex' product that I bought at a local auto supply outlet.It is
labeled "Dielectric Tune-up Grease". The No. 22064 is at the bottom of the
tube
It is commonly used on spark plug ceramics and wire boots to stop them from
bonding in place as well as water proofing them.
This grease has a high content of silicone that will keep water and
contaminants away very effectively. It will not easily melt and run off or
evaporate.
Although is referred to as grease, it is not intended as a mechanical
assembly lubricant or bearing grease.
I used it at all the ground wire junctions etc.
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "David A. Leonard" <dleonar1@maine.rr.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Dielectric grease recommendations
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David A. Leonard"
<dleonar1@maine.rr.com>
>
>
> Group, could someone shed a little light on what kind of grease to use for
> connections..This from my Bellanca Viking group, discussing the use of
> grease on the starter supply wiring connections from the group:
>
> --- In VikingChat@yahoogroups.com, "David A. Leonard"
> <dleonar1@m...> wrote:
>
> > ....Now you are halfway there. Find the ground wire from the
> engine back to the mount, remove and clean both ends of the ground
> wire or strap, grease and securely re-connect.
> ir
>
> >Dave -- I assume you mean generic grease, like wheel bearing
> >grease. I remember learning somewhere that silicone grease is
> >better for this purpose. Can you or someone else confirm or dispute
> >this call?
>
> I wrote:
>
> You are correct sir!
>
> The grease I use comes from NAPA, it is produced(or labeled) by Echlin,
who
> is an aftermarket supplier of electrical components. The label suggests
> using it on Ford high tension ignition harness components.. in the
> distributor cap, under the plug wire boots.
>
> You can also find it called "di-electric" grease.
>
> I am not sure if it is exactly the right stuff to use..I think that the
> function is to exclude air and moisture to stop corrosion from occurring.
>
> I have honestly used all kinds of different greases on battery terminals
> and ligh bulb bases over the years, with good results.
>
> I'll ask the
>
http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list/Digest.AeroElectric-List.2
003-09-27.html
> guys, no doubt these gurus will have an informed opinion. They refer to
> connections properly made as being "gas-tight".
>
>
> David Leonard N77FE
>
>
________________________________ Message 20
____________________________________
Time: 08:08:56 PM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Alternator Pulley Size
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>Hi Bob....something you wrote regarding alternator pulley sizes caused me
>the stop and think;
>
>My ND alternator puts out something like 70A at 10,000 revs. There's no
>way I'd ever need that output for my Cozy, so I thought I'd reduce the RPM
>by sizing up the pulley and maybe save the bearing life a little into the
>bargain. And philosophically, I had an aversion to anything rotating at
>10k rev under my hood.
The B&C ND alternators have always run well with a rather
small pulley . . . I think it's about 2.5" diam. Belt
driven from the starter ring gear on a Lyc, they cruise
routinely at over 10K . . . given the way rotors are
constructed (forged) combined with their small diameter
makes 10K a no-big-deal.
>But your post made me wonder if there's some low RMP cut off, and that I
>might not get power from the alternator during taxi. I had stupidly
>assumed the output is linear all the way down.
Alternators have two critical speed characteristics.
Minimum speed for regulation: The RPM at which the
alternator just puts out 14 volts but at zero current.
Minimum speed for full output: The RPM at which the
alternator will deliver rated output current at max
operating temperature. Check out the drawing at
http://aeroelectric.com/temp/80A_OutCurve.gif
Here we see that minimum speed for regulation is
about 1000 rpm for this exemplar 80A machine.
Minimum speed for full output is about 6000
rpm. This would be typical of most automotive
machines.
Bottom line is that if you have low voltage
warning light and the light never comes on, your
alternator is carrying system loads of the moment
irrespective of its ratings or pulley size.
Bob . . .
________________________________ Message 21
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Time: 08:12:12 PM PST US
Subject: AeroElectric-List: "Plenum" rated CAT5 cable
From: "Robinson, Chad" <crobinson@rfgonline.com>
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robinson, Chad"
<crobinson@rfgonline.com>
Bob, I'd be interested in your impression of "plenum" rated CATn cables (5
and
6). I used to install miles of this stuff at a previous job, and it seems it
had
similar properties to what people look for in Tefzel. Obviously, I'm talking
about signal wires here, not power carriers, mainly for things like carrying
trim signals, indicator light runs, etc.
Upon some reinvestigation I've found that the better quality stuff has
teflon for
its core insulation and some unspecified, but not PVC outer jacket. (It's
usually
listed as a flame-retardant polymer designed to char, rather than melting,
not carry a flame from one space to another (hence its use in plenums) and
also not produce toxic fumes (likewise)).
I have a few areas where it would be nice to be able to install more than
the 2-3
conductor multi-conductor stuff usually available, such as through B&C or
ACSpruce.
Moreover, I also happen to have a few hundred feet left over, so if it's
at all suitable / acceptable, I'd like to use it up where I can.
Regards,
Chad
________________________________ Message 22
____________________________________
Time: 08:59:07 PM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430 wiring problem
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 08:21 PM 9/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
>
>I am installing my Garmin 430. It was pre-wired, meaning connectors are
>wired with wires hanging out and labeled. I can not find any wires labled
>gps data out. I have d/l the pinouts from AE's site and none of the
>connectors seems to have this designation. I am trying to drive my Navaid
>with the 430 gps. I surely hope that this thing has a gps data out. Do they
>call it something different?
>Thanks
>Mike Stewart
shuckypoo . . . I did a 430 installation in the AGATE Bonanza
a a couple of years ago and had a copy of the complete installation
manual from Garmin. Dug around in the archives and couldn't put
my hands on it. I probably gave it back to the folks at RAC.
Sorry.
Bob . . .
________________________________ Message 23
____________________________________
Time: 09:01:57 PM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: amphenol connectors (Hey Mike!!!)
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 09:25 AM 9/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
><bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>At 07:06 AM 9/26/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jones, Michael"
<MJones@hatch.ca>
> >
> >hi all
> >
> >I have the amphenol connectors for my electric gyros but don't know how
to
> >attach wires to the amphenol connectors. Are the wires soldered or do I
need
> >some kind of female pin to attach to the wire then insert this female pin
> >into the back of the connector.
> >thanx for the help guys
Mike, did you see my post on this topic. Can you give me some
numbers off your connector(s) and/or photos?
Bob . . .
________________________________ Message 24
____________________________________
Time: 09:19:56 PM PST US
From: George Braly <gwbraly@gami.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: B&C 20 amp vac pad failure, Pictures L
ink has Changed
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: George Braly <gwbraly@gami.com>
Bob,
Can you tell us what the working hypothesis is as to the root cause?
Regards, George
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III [mailto:bob.nuckolls@cox.net]
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: B&C 20 amp vac pad failure, Pictures
Link has Changed
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 09:42 AM 9/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
><bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>At 09:14 AM 9/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net
> >
> >I'm looking for someplace on the web to stash them - if anyone has a
> >suggestion, let me know. Preferably someplace that you don't have to
join
> >to access
>
>
> The pictures can be viewed at:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/SD-20A.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/SD-20B.jpg
> PRELIMINARY investigation suggests that (1) there are
> no casting flaws and (2) that in this particular case,
> there was not a single crack but a series of three
> independent failures for each of the three corners
> that broke off . . . the 4th had been overstressed and
> broke off with relatively low force bending applied with
> pliers.
>
> Let's be cautious with loose speculation . . . keep
> in mind that thousands of these alternators are in
> service over a service history of 9 years or better.
> There have been only three casting failures reported
> to B&C over this period of time.
>
> There is a working hypothesis as to root cause
> which will be developed and either confirmed or rejected.
> This is a high priority investigation and the results
> will be posted here and reported to the FAA as soon
> as credible data are available.
>
> Bob . . .
________________________________ Message 25
____________________________________
Time: 10:52:42 PM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: B&C 20 amp vac pad failure,
Pictures L ink has Changed
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 11:19 PM 9/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: George Braly <gwbraly@gami.com>
>
>
>Bob,
>
>Can you tell us what the working hypothesis is as to the root cause?
>
>Regards, George
sure . . . this wasn't a single crack event . . . each of
the four mounting ears was independently overstressed. Each
parted the rest of the alternator individually. The
initial examination of the fractures shows no casting flaws.
The remaining ear was close to failure. It broke off with
a pair of pliers and hand-generated bending stresses.
We think the bolts were tightened down too tight and gasket
thickness was reduced enough to bow the flange and put an
abnormal bending load on the ears.
If it were my airplane, I'd pitch the paper gasket and
use a suitable brush-on gasket replacement material that
would extrude out and avoid bending loads by getting the
two machined flats to lay right against each other.
This is only failure of the type for this product for
several thousand installations. Although this event
transpired on an experimental airplane, it's the same
alternator as the STC/PMA installations . . . they're
going to do a full investigation and report for the FAA.
We'll post the final analysis results here on the AEList.
Bob . . .
________________________________ Message 26
____________________________________
Time: 10:53:33 PM PST US
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: "Plenum" rated CAT5 cable
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 11:12 PM 9/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robinson, Chad"
><crobinson@rfgonline.com>
>
>Bob, I'd be interested in your impression of "plenum" rated CATn cables (5
>and 6). I used to install miles of this stuff at a previous job, and it
>seems it had similar properties to what people look for in Tefzel.
>Obviously, I'm talking about signal wires here, not power carriers, mainly
>for things like carrying trim signals, indicator light runs, etc.
>
>Upon some reinvestigation I've found that the better quality stuff has
>teflon for its core insulation and some unspecified, but not PVC outer
>jacket. (It's usually listed as a flame-retardant polymer designed to
>char, rather than melting, not carry a flame from one space to another
>(hence its use in plenums) and also not produce toxic fumes (likewise)).
>
>I have a few areas where it would be nice to be able to install more than
>the 2-3 conductor multi-conductor stuff usually available, such as through
>B&C or ACSpruce. Moreover, I also happen to have a few hundred feet left
>over, so if it's at all suitable / acceptable, I'd like to use it up where
>I can.
Not too worried about insulation . . . that's just really
small, single strand wire. I think I'd vote for 19-strand,
22AWG, over 26AWG cat-5 cable strands any day.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Oil alarm design |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
----- Message d'origine -----
De : "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
Envoy : lundi 29 septembre 2003 13:16
Objet : RE: AeroElectric-List: Oil alarm design
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
>
> The easier solution is to get an oil pressure switch and tee it in with
your
> oil pressure sender. This way you have a true back up system.
>
> Trampas
>
You're right. I was hoping to avoid teeing and getting in one of those heavy
and bulky switches.
Now does anyone around know of a SMALL and yet reliable pressure switch ?
Thanks
Gilles
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| Subject: | Re: B&C 20 amp vac pad failure, |
Pictures L ink has Changed
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 09:59 AM 9/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: George Braly <gwbraly@gami.com>
>
>
>Bob,
>
>We have a very robust shake table suitable for piston engine vibration
>frequency test work.
>
>If you want to try to try to deliberately re-create the over torque problem
>we could probably run some vibration testing on it.
>
>Regards, George
Okay . . . I'll keep that in mind. At the moment, I'm not
directly involved in the investigation. I've asked to be
apprised of progress and findings. It's better that folks
who are understandably concerned about such things get good
data and advise on their concerns.
Given that it's such an extremely rare event and so late
in a long, successful field history . . . installation
problems and/or isolated event casting problems seem likely
suspects. Nothing has been ruled out yet. I'll make them
aware of your offer.
Thanks!
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: amphenol connectors for gyro |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 10:57 AM 9/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Philip Hildebrand
><phildebrand@pritchardindustrial.com>
>
>Aircraft Spruce MS3116E8-4S $18.95.
Allied Electronics also stocks this connector
Their catalog number is 714-6108. They list for $16.09 ea.
See http://www.alliedelec.com
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: ectric-List:RC Allen Gyro electrical connector |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rino <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca>
I just got an RC Allen electric Gyro and need information on the
connector.
The connector is an Amphenol MS3116E8-4P and -4S.
I am told to connect Pin A to Ground and Pin B to +14 volts.
I cannot identify pins A and pin B on the connector, the markings makes
no sense to me.
I do not want to risk connecting it reverse polarity.
Rino
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| Subject: | Re: LED Position Lights |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Shaun Simpkins" <shauns@hevanet.com>
>You're close. The emitters appear to be the 1W Luxeon Star-O in a custom
heat sink/circuit board.
>These units run at 350mA and 4.0V worst case ( about 3.3V for red ), so 7
of them in series just
> fit in a 28V system. No 28-to-56V step-up unit required. The Star-O,
because of its optics,
>can put out a really bright beam - over 180 candela.
Whelen confirms that the 70875 position lights mentioned in this thread over
the last few weeks are
using the Luxeon Star-O emitters. The housing contains only a heat sink,
and the emitters are derated
20% for maximum reliability. The list price of these items is about $460 -
expect the street price to be
around $250. Whelen will be changing over its entire aviation filament-based
illuminators
to LED-based over the next two years or so. The economies of scale of its
emergency vehicle and
industrial divisions are allowing its aviation division to modernize its
products. A/C mfgs are chomping
at the bit, but more for the install-and-forget reliability rather than the
power savings.
Shaun
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Joel Harding <cajole76@ispwest.com>
Mike,
On connector P4001, pins 46 and 47 output GPS ARINC 429 signals. Pins
41,54, 56,and 58 output RS232 GPS signals.
Joel Harding
On Sunday, Sep 28, 2003, at 18:21 America/Denver,
mstewart@qa.butler.com wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
>
> I am installing my Garmin 430. It was pre-wired, meaning connectors are
> wired with wires hanging out and labeled. I can not find any wires
> labled
> gps data out. I have d/l the pinouts from AE's site and none of the
> connectors seems to have this designation. I am trying to drive my
> Navaid
> with the 430 gps. I surely hope that this thing has a gps data out. Do
> they
> call it something different?
> Thanks
> Mike Stewart
>
>
> _-
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| Subject: | Re: amphenol connectors for gyro |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gkb5577@aol.com
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Thanks, Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: RC Allen Gyro electrical connector |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 04:29 PM 9/29/2003 -0300, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rino <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca>
>
>I just got an RC Allen electric Gyro and need information on the
>connector.
>The connector is an Amphenol MS3116E8-4P and -4S.
>I am told to connect Pin A to Ground and Pin B to +14 volts.
>I cannot identify pins A and pin B on the connector, the markings makes
>no sense to me.
>I do not want to risk connecting it reverse polarity.
See http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/MS3116E8-4S.jpg
Bob . . .
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thanks Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: Oil alarm design |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 08:50 PM 9/29/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee"
><Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
>
>----- Message d'origine -----
>De : "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
> : <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>Envoy : lundi 29 septembre 2003 13:16
>Objet : RE: AeroElectric-List: Oil alarm design
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Trampas" <tstern@nc.rr.com>
> >
> > The easier solution is to get an oil pressure switch and tee it in with
>your
> > oil pressure sender. This way you have a true back up system.
> >
> > Trampas
> >
>
>You're right. I was hoping to avoid teeing and getting in one of those heavy
>and bulky switches.
>Now does anyone around know of a SMALL and yet reliable pressure switch ?
http://www.gemssensors.com/SpecTemplatePNB.asp?nProductGroupID=146
http://www.gemssensors.com/pdf%5CIOM_Bulletins%5C174180.pdf
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: ectric-List:RC Allen Gyro electrical connector |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gkb5577@aol.com
Do you mean that the pins are marked but because they read Rt to Lt it
doesn't seem to make sense, or the pins on the gyro just aren't marked?
Mine shows: the following: B . . A
and
.H
a D. .E
Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: alternator field cut-off |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 12:07 PM 9/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill
><deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
>
>Hi all,
> I'm rebuilding/rewiring some of the electrics on a
>used Glasair that I bought, and in particular know that the
>alternator field cut-off switch is not "right" at present.
>
> It is currently sourced from the instrument panel
>power switch (which is in turn sourced from the master
>power switch), and is simply a cheap switch that looks like
>it came from Radio Shack.
>I'm thinking of rewiring this to use a 5A circuit breaker
>in place of the cheap switch, and source it directly
>from the master power switch, and mount it above the
>low voltage warning light. My thoughts are that I can
>pull the circuit breaker, and that effectively acts as a "switch".
>
> Is this sound reasoning, or am I missing something critical
>and there is a better way to do this?
The master switch is generally not a source of power
but a closure to ground for the battery contactor.
If it's a single pole switch now, it needs to be
a two pole switch and wired like shown in
various architectures depicted at:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev10/z10.pdf
Check these out and see if they offer useable
suggestions.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: COZY: Somebody is Infected!!! |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Neil Clayton <harvey4@earthlink.net>
These worms have been flooding into my machine for days now, all from the
cozy builders group, the canard aviators group, or the Aeroelectric list..
My virus scanner always catches them but it's darned annoying since each
one needs handling. I get ~15 a day on average.
To Marc + canard/ Matronics moderators; is there anything we can do to trap
them at the mail servers?
To Jay....don't assume you're safe because "we don't download files from
each other". Damaging code can be embedded or attached to a mail and hurt
you just as badly. Make sure your virus definitions are always up-to-date.
Neil
At 06:03 PM 9/29/03, CozyCrafter@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 9/29/2003 3:01:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>CozyBuilders@DrewChaplinPhoto.Com writes:
>Hello all,
>
>I have received several messages from somebody on this list with the
>"W32.Swen.A@mm" virus. I only use this particular email account for
>this group, so I know it has originated here. I do not know who is
>sending it out because it's hidden the user. The message appears to
>come from the Network Security Department at Microsoft and has the
>subject of "Current Microsoft Upgrade". The attached file name is
>Pack3221. My Antivirus program is catching and I hope yours has done
>the same. It's a fairly new virus and your Antivirus software has to
>have been updated since 9/18/2003 to find it. As I said before, I use
>the CozyBuilders@DrewChaplinPhoto.com email address only for this group
>and nothing else. The message came in on it.
>
>By the way,
>ROUGH RIVER WAS A BLAST!!!!
>Thank you Dan & Lori Cruger for the ride!
>
>Well worth the Drive
>Drew Chaplin
>----
>Cozy Mark IV
>SN# 1200 Prebuild & Planning
>
>
>I dont know much about computers (relative) but I dont see how this is a
>problem since we dont download files from each other. Please explain. Jay
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| Subject: | Garmin 430 wiring problem |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
As is par for the lists, not only did I get my pin # (56), I was sent THE
ENTIRE INSTALLATION MANUAL! 126 pages. You guys rock!.
And Thanks Ivor for sending it to me.
Mike Stewart
And how come I never see a do not archive? Aero list different?
Got wires hanging out of my panel, just like the old building days!
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III [mailto:bob.nuckolls@cox.net]
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Garmin 430 wiring problem
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 09:52 AM 9/29/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee"
><Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> > shuckypoo . . . I did a 430 installation in the AGATE Bonanza
> > a a couple of years ago and had a copy of the complete installation
> > manual from Garmin. Dug around in the archives and couldn't put
> > my hands on it. I probably gave it back to the folks at RAC.
> > Sorry.
>
>Hi Bob and Mike
>
>Some months ago I succeeded in donwnloading the complete installation and
>user manuals from the Garmin website. They seem to have changed their links
>and the manuals seem no longer available.
>
>At the moment my connection time is limited so I'm not able to forward it
>right now, buy if you ask questions maybe I can be of some help.
>What is a Navaid, and what kind of signal does it need ?
The last time I saw a Navaid wiring diagram, it used analog
CDI steering signals for radio aided navigation. I find the
following information on this topic on Nav-Aid's website:
http://navaid-devices.com/coupler2.htm
They're still an analog input autopilot. They've joined
forces with Porcine Associates who developed a coupler
that converts the digital output from hand held (and
most panel mounted) gps receivers to mimic a VOR receiver.
Bob . . .
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( Knowing about a thing is different than )
( understanding it. One can know a lot )
( and still understand nothing. )
( C.F. Kettering )
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| Subject: | Re: RC Allen Gyro electrical connector - Photo Correction |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 05:08 PM 9/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
><bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>At 04:29 PM 9/29/2003 -0300, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rino <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca>
> >
> >I just got an RC Allen electric Gyro and need information on the
> >connector.
> >The connector is an Amphenol MS3116E8-4P and -4S.
> >I am told to connect Pin A to Ground and Pin B to +14 volts.
> >I cannot identify pins A and pin B on the connector, the markings makes
> >no sense to me.
> >I do not want to risk connecting it reverse polarity.
>
> See http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/MS3116E8-4S.jpg
>
> Bob . . .
Ughh!! did something silly in Photoshop with the first image
and didn't check it after I uploaded it. I've corrected the
poor craftsmanship and re-posted the picture.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Z-14 with SD-8???? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 02:03 PM 9/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Nick Gaglia <ngaglia@calpine.com>
>
>Bob
>
>Do you have a version of Z-14 with an SD-8 alternator using the voltage
>regulator that comes with it.
>
>Regards
>
>Nick Gaglia
>Livermore RV-8
Nick,
When you reply to an AEList post, trim away the original
document as much as you can and still provide continuity
to the conversation thread. In this case, you opened a new
thread where none of what you echoed back to the list was
relevant to the topic yet it was a huge document . . .
If the aux alternator has only 8A rated output, I think
it would be much better to configure the system using Z-13.
If you want dual batteries, fine. Simply add second battery
per Z-30. Which ever battery is tasked with e-bus support
also gets the aux alternator connection.
During main alternator out operations, you don't use
any of the SD-8's limited output to keep a contactor
closed. You have essentially all SD-8 output available
for unlimited endurance bus ops. When airport is in
sight, you can close both battery contactors and
have energy to burn. See
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Appendix_Z_Drawings/z13wDualBattery.pdf
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: RC Allen Gyro electrical connector |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Rino <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca>
> >I just got an RC Allen electric Gyro and need information on the
> >connector.
> >The connector is an Amphenol MS3116E8-4P and -4S.
> >I am told to connect Pin A to Ground and Pin B to +14 volts.
> >I cannot identify pins A and pin B on the connector, the markings makes
> >no sense to me.
> >I do not want to risk connecting it reverse polarity.
>
> See http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/MS3116E8-4S.jpg
>
> Bob . . .
Thanks Bob --- solved my problem.
Rino
>
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| Subject: | Re: COZY: Somebody is Infected!!! |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rob Housman" <robh@hyperion-ef.com>
My list of suspected routes is the AeroElectric-List and the Europa-List, so
it looks like your suspicions intersect mine at the AeroElectric List.
If you check the header (In Outlook right click on the listing of the
message and select Options at the bottom of the menu to see the header) of
an infected message you can find the source - unfortunately this is not the
REAL source, but the innocent victim of the worm who is now passing this
junk to others. The last three infected messages I received came from
gewiz@stevecarver.force9.co.uk to whom I have sent a message advising him
that he has a problem that is annoying the rest of us. No response so far.
Example header (from the most recent message purportedly from Microsoft -
yeah, right):
Envelope-to: robh@hyperion-ef.com
Delivery-date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:38:41 -0700
(Exim 4.20)
FROM: "Microsoft Corporation Customer Support" <vnspjfrvwmhrl@qelqkh.ms.com>
SUBJECT: Last Pack
***************
The first two lines in the header indicate that the Norton AntiVirus is
doing its job, and the third line tells where the message came from.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS Tri-Gear A70
Airframe complete
Irvine, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Clayton
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: COZY: Somebody is Infected!!!
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Neil Clayton
<harvey4@earthlink.net>
These worms have been flooding into my machine for days now, all from the
cozy builders group, the canard aviators group, or the Aeroelectric list..
My virus scanner always catches them but it's darned annoying since each
one needs handling. I get ~15 a day on average.
To Marc + canard/ Matronics moderators; is there anything we can do to trap
them at the mail servers?
To Jay....don't assume you're safe because "we don't download files from
each other". Damaging code can be embedded or attached to a mail and hurt
you just as badly. Make sure your virus definitions are always up-to-date.
Neil
At 06:03 PM 9/29/03, CozyCrafter@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 9/29/2003 3:01:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>CozyBuilders@DrewChaplinPhoto.Com writes:
>Hello all,
>
>I have received several messages from somebody on this list with the
>"W32.Swen.A@mm" virus. I only use this particular email account for
>this group, so I know it has originated here. I do not know who is
>sending it out because it's hidden the user. The message appears to
>come from the Network Security Department at Microsoft and has the
>subject of "Current Microsoft Upgrade". The attached file name is
>Pack3221. My Antivirus program is catching and I hope yours has done
>the same. It's a fairly new virus and your Antivirus software has to
>have been updated since 9/18/2003 to find it. As I said before, I use
>the CozyBuilders@DrewChaplinPhoto.com email address only for this group
>and nothing else. The message came in on it.
>
>By the way,
>ROUGH RIVER WAS A BLAST!!!!
>Thank you Dan & Lori Cruger for the ride!
>
>Well worth the Drive
>Drew Chaplin
>----
>Cozy Mark IV
>SN# 1200 Prebuild & Planning
>
>
>I dont know much about computers (relative) but I dont see how this is a
>problem since we dont download files from each other. Please explain. Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 430 wiring problem |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John F. Herminghaus" <catignano@tele2.it>
You can download the installation manual from Garmin's website.
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>At 08:21 PM 9/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: mstewart@qa.butler.com
>>
>>I am installing my Garmin 430. It was pre-wired, meaning connectors are
>>wired with wires hanging out and labeled. I can not find any wires labled
>>gps data out. I have d/l the pinouts from AE's site and none of the
>>connectors seems to have this designation. I am trying to drive my Navaid
>>with the 430 gps. I surely hope that this thing has a gps data out. Do they
>>call it something different?
>>Thanks
>>Mike Stewart
>>
>>
>
> shuckypoo . . . I did a 430 installation in the AGATE Bonanza
> a a couple of years ago and had a copy of the complete installation
> manual from Garmin. Dug around in the archives and couldn't put
> my hands on it. I probably gave it back to the folks at RAC.
> Sorry.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
>
>
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