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1. 06:29 AM - Re: alternator field cut-off (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 08:52 AM - TRAFFIC ALERT ATD-200 (Ian Scott)
3. 11:08 AM - Re: TRAFFIC ALERT ATD-200 (Dj Merrill)
4. 01:21 PM - EDM-900 (Art/Sue Bertolina)
5. 01:57 PM - Re: EDM-900 (BobsV35B@aol.com)
6. 02:35 PM - Re: [Fw: Re: alternator field cut-off] (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 04:11 PM - Re: Alternator Wiring (jerb)
8. 06:27 PM - Re: Alternator Wiring (Jim Jewell)
9. 08:24 PM - Use of individual wires from a Mil-Spec C-27500 cable (Charlie Kuss)
10. 08:38 PM - Re: TRAFFIC ALERT ATD-200 (George Bass)
11. 08:51 PM - List wierdness. (Dean Psiropoulos)
12. 09:16 PM - Fast-ons (John F. Herminghaus)
13. 09:35 PM - Re: List weirdness. (Matt Dralle)
14. 10:44 PM - List weirdness. [Update...] (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
15. 11:34 PM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle))
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| Subject: | Re: alternator field cut-off |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 11:51 PM 9/30/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Carter"
><dcarter@datarecall.net>
>
>Bob,
>
>What does "progressive transfer" mean in ref to the S-700-2-10?
>
>David Carter
Study the schematic symbols for the S700-2-10 and S700-2-50
switches in http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Rev10/z10.pdf
figure Z11 or figure Z-11 in the Rev 10 book.
These are 3 position switches . . . the schematic depicts
how one side of the two-pole switch transfers at a time as
you move from one position to another instead of moving
exactly together as one might usually expect from a multi-pole
device.
Also see
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Carling_Micro/Carling_Micro.pdf
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | TRAFFIC ALERT ATD-200 |
DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 (2.8 points) Date: is 12 to 24 hours after Received: date
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ian Scott" <jabiru22@yahoo.com.au>
HI all,
I have asked this before, however what are people paying for the above
traffic detection device?
Thanks
Ian
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: TRAFFIC ALERT ATD-200 |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 23:45, Ian Scott wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ian Scott" <jabiru22@yahoo.com.au>
>
> HI all,
>
> I have asked this before, however what are people paying for the above
> traffic detection device?
I paid $200 on Ebay about a month ago for a refurbished unit.
It works in the sense that it will tell you there is
traffic nearby, but don't trust the numeric readout
for distance. Mine has been as much as 2 miles off.
However, it does at least warn you that something is
within 5 miles, which is all I really care about.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill Thayer School of Engineering
ThUG Sr. Unix Systems Administrator 8000 Cummings Hall
deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu - N1JOV Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH 03755
"On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section,
it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux."
-Anonymous
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Art/Sue Bertolina" <artbertolina@earthlink.net>
I'm trying to determine the difference between the EDM-800 and the 900. Does
the 900 add enough to your panel
to justify the added cost ?. It will be monitoring a TSIO 520BE that has
been built to TSIO 550 with hi-compression pistons and reworked turbo's. I
intend to
run the engine Lean of Peak at cruise. If anyone out there
knows these instruments I would appreciate your input
Art Bertolina
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com
In a message dated 10/1/03 3:22:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
artbertolina@earthlink.net writes:
> I'm trying to determine the difference between the EDM-800 and the 900.
> Does
> the 900 add enough to your panel
> to justify the added cost ?. It will be monitoring a TSIO 520BE that has
> been built to TSIO 550 with hi-compression pistons and reworked turbo's. I
> intend to
> run the engine Lean of Peak at cruise. If anyone out there
> knows these instruments I would appreciate your input
> Art Bertolina
>
Good Afternoon Art,
May I suggest that you contact George Braly or Tim Roehl at Tornado Alley
Turbos concerning the desired instrumentation? I think you will find the at
George and Tim have the greatest amount of knowledge currently available concerning
the operation, care and feeding of those engines.
George occasionally makes comments on this forum.
Try: <A HREF="http://www.taturbo.com/frames.html">http://www.taturbo.com/frames.html
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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| Subject: | Re: alternator field cut-off] |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 04:43 PM 10/1/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>Dear Bob,
>
>first let me express my thanks to your ever perpetual and never resting
>dealing with
>all the different questions posed to you - and this is good for the flyer
>community!!!
>
>For some days now I follow your advice from the distance here in Germany
>and also - so
>I believe, I have read all your articles contained in Aeroelectrics.....
Thank you for the kind words. I'm pleased that the
effort is useful and makes sense too . . .
>However, this subject of alternator field cut-off makes me wonder, whether
>this
>also applies not only to alternators, but also to GENERATORS as well.
>
>In our aero club we have a C172B with a Delco-Remy P/N 1101898 and
>regulator P/N 1118704 ( 14V 35A).
>
>Since the double pole single throw master switch is very iffy ( ammeter
>jerking...)
>I intend to exchange it with a new one.
>
>Shouldn't I follow your rational and also install a sort of "progressive
>transfer switch"
>instead of the DPST?
EXCELLENT question. In fact, some of the certified kits for
generator replacement with an alternator left the original
separate and independent control of battery and engine
driven power sources in place. Fact is, a GENERATOR will
excite and run well without a battery on line . . . independent
operation and control of the two sources wasn't a problem.
It wasn't until alternators came along that the classic
two-switch control system became problematical.
As far as I know, the split-rocker master was birthed
at Cessna . . . designed so that the alternator can be
turned off leaving battery on, but turning the battery
off takes the alternator off too. In spite of its
very simple concept and operation (you can duplicate it
with the -10 progressive switch) the split rocker fit
Cessna Marketing's notion of how the panel should look
and operate. The spit rocker has taken on a aura of
holiness over the years. I've seen many airplanes with
the red, split-rocker master switch that didn't match
any other switch in the airplane!
So, replacement of the generator control switch with
a single switch as supplied by the factory is a perfectly
reasonable thing to do . . . if you ever replace the
generator with an alternator, combining alternator and
battery master switches into a single -10 switch (or if the
split rocker gives you a whizz . . . why not?).
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
No, it's actually over speeding the alternator causing wear of the
bearings. Lyc's have a very large dia. pulley on the starter ring - if you
figure the ratio if it going 2500 RPM, you would be spinning the alternator
8000 RPM or more.
At 10:07 AM 9/28/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
>
>Hello Neil,
>
>Keep in mind that the clearance between the cowling and the larger diameter
>pulleys can be a nuisance factor.
>Four inch would be a bit too large on my setup for an O360. On your O320
>your distance might vary.
>There is a lot of info in the archives re-larger pulleys and alternator
>speed. I think the main concern would be too low voltage output at idle.
>
>Jim in Kelowna
>
> .----- Original Message -----
>From: "Neil Clayton" <harvey4@earthlink.net>
>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alternator Wiring
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Neil Clayton
><harvey4@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Spruce sells a 4", "V" pulley. Page 245, $48.95.
> > Check the ID
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > At 03:47 AM 9/27/03, you wrote:
> > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
> > ><neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
> > >
> > >Listers
> > >
> > >I have obtained an almost new Nipon Denzo alternator off a Toyota which I
> > >intend fitting to a Lyco320 In my RV9.
> > >I have a couple of questions. Firstly I assume it's internally regulated
> > >although it has a 3 wire socket, what are the 3 connections for and is a
> > >mating plug readily available. Van's sell one that looks as if fits.
> > >Secondly it is currently fitted with a flat belt pulley which I need to
> > >change this to a V belt. I seem to recall Bob Avery used to sell a larger
> > >dia pulley, is this worth considering and if not could anyone direct me
>to
> > >source of standard sized pulleys.
> > >
> > >Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > >Neil Henderson RV9-A n/r Aylesbury UK
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alternator Wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
Hi "jerb",
The last I heard spinning an alternator at 8000 rpm. is well within any
usefull limitations on it's bearing life.
As far as belt friction and adverse heat generation are conserned the older
style V-belts are happier on larger pulleys. I expect this is a big part of
why the auto industry went over to the Micro-V type belts.
Depending on the size of the larger alternator pulley you choose you might
find that the alternator output at idle is adversely effected.
In the past more than one builder has encountered the need to add a blister
to the cowl to clear the alternator pulley. The likelihood of this occurring
is increased when a larger diameter pulley is installed.
I in fact have a 3.5" pulley on my O360. this pulley clears the cowling by
about 1/4" and I might have to consider reducing it's size for cowling
clearance reasons.
The engine came with accessories and the "starter ring" had been modified to
utilize a Gates Micro-V belt that drives the alternator.
He also made the 3.5" pulley It looks to me the fellow that made the pulley
modifications did a great job and I will go with his idea until testing and
actual use cause a change of course.
I will certainly be happy to hear from a qualified person if what I have had
quoted to me as safe alternator RPM. limitations needs to be brought up to
speed (;}.
I think a look in the archives will show that this has been hashed out some
before.
Try searching the archives wit (alternator rpm) or (alternator speed).
Jim in Kelowna
----- Original Message -----
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alternator Wiring
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> No, it's actually over speeding the alternator causing wear of the
> bearings. Lyc's have a very large dia. pulley on the starter ring - if
you
> figure the ratio if it going 2500 RPM, you would be spinning the
alternator
> 8000 RPM or more.
>
>
> At 10:07 AM 9/28/03 -0700, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
> >
> >Hello Neil,
> >
> >Keep in mind that the clearance between the cowling and the larger
diameter
> >pulleys can be a nuisance factor.
> >Four inch would be a bit too large on my setup for an O360. On your O320
> >your distance might vary.
> >There is a lot of info in the archives re-larger pulleys and alternator
> >speed. I think the main concern would be too low voltage output at idle.
> >
> >Jim in Kelowna
> >
> > .----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Neil Clayton" <harvey4@earthlink.net>
> >To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alternator Wiring
> >
> >
> > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Neil Clayton
> ><harvey4@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Spruce sells a 4", "V" pulley. Page 245, $48.95.
> > > Check the ID
> > > Neil
> > >
> > >
> > > At 03:47 AM 9/27/03, you wrote:
> > > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neil Henderson"
> > > ><neil.mo51@btopenworld.com>
> > > >
> > > >Listers
> > > >
> > > >I have obtained an almost new Nipon Denzo alternator off a Toyota
which I
> > > >intend fitting to a Lyco320 In my RV9.
> > > >I have a couple of questions. Firstly I assume it's internally
regulated
> > > >although it has a 3 wire socket, what are the 3 connections for and
is a
> > > >mating plug readily available. Van's sell one that looks as if fits.
> > > >Secondly it is currently fitted with a flat belt pulley which I need
to
> > > >change this to a V belt. I seem to recall Bob Avery used to sell a
larger
> > > >dia pulley, is this worth considering and if not could anyone direct
me
> >to
> > > >source of standard sized pulleys.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks for your help.
> > > >
> > > >Neil Henderson RV9-A n/r Aylesbury UK
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Use of individual wires from a Mil-Spec C-27500 cable |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
Bob & Listers,
I was given a large quantity of Mil Spec Aviation wiring from a friend. Some of
this wire was 22 & 20 gauge C-27500 shielded 2 & 3 wire cable. Some of this
cable had been stripped of it's outer sheath and shielding. This cable has color
coded wires inside (red, blue & yellow). Are these individual wires OK to use
on my RV-8A project? It appears that the insulation is slightly thinner on
these wires as compared to individual Mil 22759/16 wires. I'd like to use this
wire, but I want to make sure that I am not "cutting corners" in doing so. Opinions
please.
Charlie Kuss
RV-8A going cross eyed looking at wiring schematics
SE Florida
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| Subject: | Re: TRAFFIC ALERT ATD-200 |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "George Bass" <george_bass_0@hotmail.com>
>From: "Ian Scott" <jabiru22@yahoo.com.au>
>Reply-To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: AeroElectric-List: TRAFFIC ALERT ATD-200
>Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:45:44 -0700 DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 (2.8 points)
>Date: is 12 to 24 hours after Received: date
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ian Scott"
><jabiru22@yahoo.com.au>
>
>HI all,
>
>I have asked this before, however what are people paying for the above
>traffic detection device?
>
>Thanks
>
>Ian
>
I have no experience with the item you asked about, but, I bought
one of the TPAS devices from "SureChek". It is surface-mount using
velcro, or some other method, and is commonly placed on top of the
panel. I like the unit a great deal, and would certainly purchase again
if I was in the market.
HOWEVER, the unit you mentioned may be a panel-mount-type, and
the reason I'm writing this, is that the company has indicated that
they will have a panel-mount unit available late this year. You might
want to look them up and see if it is ready, or what it will cost.
Their address an the web is:
http://www.surecheckaviation.com/index.php
Hope this helps,
George
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dean Psiropoulos" <deanpsir@easystreet.com>
Anyone know whats going on with the list, the last three days I have
received what appears to be the prior day's list concatenated with the
present day's list. Today the subject line said 17 messages but it looks
like I've only received the first new message posted today followed by the
last three days lists tacked on afterwords. Since the whole thing is
getting to be many many pages long with this craziness and I don't appear to
be receiving the days new postings, I'll have to unsubscribe from the list
if this doesn't get corrected soon. Is anyone else having this problem?
I'm not getting the messages as they come through so maybe if I switch to
that mode (from the once daily concatenated list) things will work better
(except I'll have tons more email messages every night and I don't cherish
weeding through all that).
Dean Psiropoulos
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John F. Herminghaus" <catignano@tele2.it>
Bob,
Just out of curiosity, why doesn't B&C use fast-ons on their voltage
regulators?
John Herminghaus
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| Subject: | Re: List weirdness. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
I think the List operation and digest are fine. The problem with
yesterday's digest is that someone - well, okay Ronnie Brown :-) - replied
to the previous day's *digest* message and included all of the digest in
his post. If you look at the Digest carefully, you'll see that Message 2
from yesterday is REALLY long, then comes Message 3 and the rest of the
day's messages which are all normal sized.
http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list/Digest.AeroElectric-List.2003-09-30.txt
The bottom line I guess, is PLEASE when you reply to a message - ESPECIALLY
a DIGEST message - edit out all of the stuff that doesn't directly apply to
your post!!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin...
At 08:51 PM 10/1/2003 Wednesday, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dean Psiropoulos"
><deanpsir@easystreet.com>
>
>Anyone know whats going on with the list, the last three days I have
>received what appears to be the prior day's list concatenated with the
>present day's list. Today the subject line said 17 messages but it looks
>like I've only received the first new message posted today followed by the
>last three days lists tacked on afterwords. Since the whole thing is
>getting to be many many pages long with this craziness and I don't appear to
>be receiving the days new postings, I'll have to unsubscribe from the list
>if this doesn't get corrected soon. Is anyone else having this problem?
>I'm not getting the messages as they come through so maybe if I switch to
>that mode (from the once daily concatenated list) things will work better
>(except I'll have tons more email messages every night and I don't cherish
>weeding through all that).
>
>
>Dean Psiropoulos
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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"Re: AeroElectric-List: List weirdness." (Oct 1, 9:57pm)
| Subject: | List weirdness. [Update...] |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Update on this issue...
Looking at my filters in some detail tonight, I discovered that my
"The poster has included all or most of the Digest in their reply"
Detector was broken and not bouncing messages that included all of
the previous day's digest text.
I've fixed the problem and the detector is once again functioning as
designed!
The real bottom line...? Posters still should trim that quoted reply
text WAY down when replying to a message, especially a Digest message,
but at least now the worst offenders will be intercepted! :-)
Basically how it works is that if a poster does included all or most of
the previous day's Digest in a reply, they will receive a polite
email message back indicating what they've done asking that they trim the
quoted text down and try reposting.
Best regards,
Matt
>--------------
>I think the List operation and digest are fine. The problem with
>yesterday's digest is that someone - well, okay Ronnie Brown :-) - replied
>to the previous day's *digest* message and included all of the digest in
>his post. If you look at the Digest carefully, you'll see that Message 2
>from yesterday is REALLY long, then comes Message 3 and the rest of the
>day's messages which are all normal sized.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list/Digest.AeroElectric-List.2003-09-30.txt
>
>The bottom line I guess, is PLEASE when you reply to a message - ESPECIALLY
>a DIGEST message - edit out all of the stuff that doesn't directly apply to
>your post!!!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Email List Admin...
>
>
>At 08:51 PM 10/1/2003 Wednesday, you wrote:
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dean Psiropoulos"
>><deanpsir@easystreet.com>
>>
>>Anyone know whats going on with the list, the last three days I have
>>received what appears to be the prior day's list concatenated with the
>>present day's list. Today the subject line said 17 messages but it looks
>>like I've only received the first new message posted today followed by the
>>last three days lists tacked on afterwords. Since the whole thing is
>>getting to be many many pages long with this craziness and I don't appear to
>>be receiving the days new postings, I'll have to unsubscribe from the list
>>if this doesn't get corrected soon. Is anyone else having this problem?
>>I'm not getting the messages as they come through so maybe if I switch to
>>that mode (from the once daily concatenated list) things will work better
>>(except I'll have tons more email messages every night and I don't cherish
>>weeding through all that).
>>
>>
>>Dean Psiropoulos
>
>
>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
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