---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/14/03: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:59 AM - Re: Lighted, engraved rocker switches (Brett Ferrell) 2. 03:44 AM - The more obvious it is, the less one sees it! (Michel RIAZUELO) 3. 06:12 AM - Re: Crowbar OV protection (Scott Bilinski) 4. 08:21 AM - ServiceLoops (DAVID REEL) 5. 08:51 AM - alternator breaker tripping (Greg's Mail) 6. 09:59 AM - [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? (Matt Dralle) 7. 10:18 AM - Re: Lasar Ignition Draw (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 8. 10:22 AM - Grand Rapids EIS 4000 Tach compatibility with Lightspeed Plasma II (czechsix@juno.com) 9. 10:28 AM - Re: alternator breaker tripping (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 10. 10:34 AM - Re: ServiceLoops (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 11. 11:06 AM - Re: Fire hazard (Terry Watson) 12. 11:21 AM - Re: Watsonville (Dan Branstrom) 13. 11:29 AM - Re: alternator breaker tripping (Greg's Mail) 14. 11:53 AM - Re: Fire hazard (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 15. 02:52 PM - Re: Lasar Ignition Draw (Werner Schneider) 16. 06:26 PM - Z-13 questions (Scott Diffenbaugh) 17. 06:30 PM - Multi-pin plug for Infinity Aerospace stick grip (Neil Clayton) 18. 06:51 PM - Re: Multi-pin plug for Infinity Aerospace stick grip (Richard M. Martin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:23 AM PST US From: Brett Ferrell Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Lighted, engraved rocker switches --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brett Ferrell Charlie, My impression was that that they could engrave anything, though my panel doesn't have lighted switches - only a fiber-optically lit legend. I just bought standard switches, so you could use any kind of switch you wanted. I just spt the model of switches I was going to use and the laser cut the panel to fit, and did an excellent job. Brett Quoting Charlie Kuss : > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > > > Brett, > Are these available in double pole and double throw > models? What is the pricing on these units? > Charlie Kuss > > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brett > Ferrell > > > >They can also do very nice custom lighted legend > sheets. They did mine for my Veloctiy XL's overhead > switch panel: > >http://www.velocityxl.com/Electrical.htm#Chapter > 13.3.4 - Switches and Circuit Protection > > > >Brett > > > >Quoting Scot Stambaugh : > > > >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scot > >> Stambaugh > >> > >> If you go with the toggles you might consider this > >> stuff: > >> http://sptpanel.com/glow_strips.htm > >> I installed it in my Rocket and like it a lot > because > >> it is > >> dimmable. Attached is a picture of my cockpit with > >> the lights out and the > >> panels lit using the glow strips. > >> > >> scot > >> > >> > >> At 09:29 AM 11/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Scott > >> Diffenbaugh" > >> > > >> > > >> >Can anyone point me to a good source for high > quality > >> engraved lighted > >> >rocker switches? > >> >If I change my mind and end up going with toggle > >> switches, what is the best > >> >way to light them. (All of my instruments & > avionics > >> will be internally > >> >lighted) > >> > > >> >Scott Diffenbaugh > >> >diff@foothill.net > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> on the > >> this > >> generous > >> Contributions > >> any other > >> Forums. > >> http://www.matronics.com/subscription > >> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm > >> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > >> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Visit us at www.velocityxl.com > >44VF Velocity XL/FG > >I68 Cincinnati, OH > > > > > > > on the > this > generous > Contributions > any other > Forums. > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/AeroElectric-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > -- Visit us at www.velocityxl.com 44VF Velocity XL/FG I68 Cincinnati, OH ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:41 AM PST US From: "Michel RIAZUELO" Subject: AeroElectric-List: The more obvious it is, the less one sees it! --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Michel RIAZUELO" Bob, I had doubts about the interest of the Essential Bus in the case of my very simple installation. You answered me : >....... and MINIMIZED CONSUMPTION >because it can bypass the battery contactor thereby eliminating >a parasitic load on the battery (battery contactor draws 0.8 to >1.0 amps). Contactor draw contributes nothing the operation of equipment >while tossing off 4x the energy it takes to operate a capable nav radio. Few time later ... >The MAJOR advantage of the e-bus with alternate feed is to ELIMINATE even a perfectly >good contactor from battery loads during alternator out operations. ... you wrote to Scott (and all !)? My battery contactor drains as mutch current as all my essentials instruments !!!!!!! Regards, Michel Wiring his MCR SPORTSTER vith an Essential Bus .... Cholet FRANCE ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:31 AM PST US From: Scott Bilinski Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Crowbar OV protection --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski I cringe as I say this, but it was a breaker switch. So maybe the OVM was tripping the breaker/switch? At 07:14 PM 11/13/03 -0600, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > > >At 02:56 PM 11/13/2003 -0800, you wrote: >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski >> >> >>Just throwing out some info here for a heads up. I have the overvoltage >>module wired in and everything working great. One day I had trouble >>starting the engine....my fault. Once the engine was started the battery >>was very low, I tried to turn on the alt and it would not turn on???? > > > Was the breaker tripped? > >> I >>then killed the engine turned on the alt and restarted and the alt was >>working hard to charge the battery. So at least in my application a very >>low battery will trip the over voltage module when switching on the alt. At >>least thats what appeared to happen. Now that I know this, I consider it a >>non issue. > > If the OV module takes an alternator off line, it MUST open > the breaker to do it. > > Bob . . . > > Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:46 AM PST US From: "DAVID REEL" Subject: AeroElectric-List: ServiceLoops --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" I'd like to put service loops in all the lines running to my panel so I could detach it and lower it to the floor for service in my RV8A. However, I don't know how to design these so the conflicting goals - prevent abrasion & flexing of the wire & tubing - permit free movement when the panel is detached can be met. Can anyone provide practical advice on how these loops are placed/secured so they work? My panel is 21 inches above the floor so a 7 inch diameter loop would be required. It's a VFR panel with airspeed, altimeter, Dynon D-10, Grand Rapids engine monitor, and Garmin transponder. Handheld Icom nav/com and Garmin GPS 90 attach to the panel front. Dave Reel - RV8A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:15 AM PST US From: "Greg's Mail" <50coperhed@jbntelco.com> Subject: AeroElectric-List: alternator breaker tripping --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Greg's Mail" <50coperhed@jbntelco.com> Hi, everyone, I just got my RV4 in the air and have used the ovm wired in as shown in the AEC book with an internally regulated alternator. All is well about 13.8 volts on the voltmeter, until I turn on the strobes or a landing light and then the 5a pullable breaker on the alt field trips.Then the voltage goes down to about 13.2 or 13.3. Where would you recomend to start looking? Thanks Greg Davis ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:47 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: AeroElectric-List: [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, I was thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide a far better experience than the commercial equivalents. I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. 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Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Lasar Ignition Draw --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 07:11 AM 11/14/2003 +0100, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider" > > >Hi Bruce, > >I have a 10A fuse, idle current (engine nor running) measured 0.2A plus >20ma for my LED warning light, running current is in my case 2A. > >Glastar #5794 Great data. Thank you. Are the figures for each magneto or the pair together? Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:07 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Grand Rapids EIS 4000 Tach compatibility with Lightspeed Plasma II From: czechsix@juno.com --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com Guys, a few weeks ago Ross Mickey posted some stuff to the List that he couldn't get the Grand Rapids EIS 4000 engine monitor to read the tach signal from the Lightspeed Plasma II ignition system. I have this combo so I asked Greg Toman about it and here is his response. If you have this combo give him a call and he can talk you through this quick and easy mod to get it to work (or if you're ordering it new, and are using LSE PLasma II's, he can ship it this way from day one). --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finishing with EIS 4000 and dual LSE Plasma II's.... Msg from Greg Toman 11/14/03: This isn't a problem. There is a resistor and capacitor in the tach circuit that you can remove youself with our help over the phone. When this is done, you will be able to use the tach output from the Plasma II. Don't worry...by now it seems like I have encountered every problem you can imagine! That is an easy one, but it is one of the very rare cases where our(unmodified) tachometer input circuit is not compatible with someones tach output. Thanks Greg Toman Grand Rapids Technologies, Inc 616 583-8000 fax 616 583-8001 www.grtavionics.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:04 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: alternator breaker tripping --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 10:50 AM 11/14/2003 -0600, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Greg's Mail" ><50coperhed@jbntelco.com> > >Hi, everyone, I just got my RV4 in the air and have used the ovm >wired in as shown in the AEC book with an internally regulated >alternator. All is well about 13.8 volts on the voltmeter, until I >turn on the strobes or a landing light and then the 5a pullable >breaker on the alt field trips.Then the voltage goes down to >about 13.2 or 13.3. Where would you recomend to start looking? >Thanks Greg Davis If I understand you, the crowbar trips if you turn ON EITHER strobes or landing light. How long have you had your ov module? A couple of years ago, we made a design change to preclude nuisance tripping that showed up in a small percentage of airplanes. What color are the leadwires on your ov module and when did you buy it? It may need a modification that I can accomplish in a few minutes on the bench if you'll mail it to me. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:55 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: ServiceLoops --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 11:21 AM 11/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DAVID REEL" > >I'd like to put service loops in all the lines running to my panel so I >could detach it and lower it to the floor for service in my >RV8A. However, I don't know how to design these so the conflicting goals > - prevent abrasion & flexing of the wire & tubing > - permit free movement when the panel is detached >can be met. Can anyone provide practical advice on how these loops are >placed/secured so they work? My panel is 21 inches above the floor so a 7 >inch diameter loop would be required. It's a VFR panel with airspeed, >altimeter, Dynon D-10, Grand Rapids engine monitor, and Garmin >transponder. Handheld Icom nav/com and Garmin GPS 90 attach to the panel >front. The task of securing a loop is no different than to secure a straight run . . . two or three support points around the loop by which tye-wraps can keep the loop from flopping around should do it. I'd route the cable to come onto the removable panel at the lower, outboard corner of the panel. Install enough support points on interior sidewall to support the coil when installed for flight. Digikey stocks Panuit self sticking tie supports (Item 3 on http://dkc3.digikey.com/pdf/T033/1004-1005.pdf ) I have no first hand experience with the adhesive supplied with these supports . . . you can always peel off the supplied stickum and install the support with E6000. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:23 AM PST US From: "Terry Watson" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Fire hazard --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" Thanks for the reply, Bob, but let me restate my concerns. They are not about a wire coming loose and burning through the fuel lines, but a potential fuel leak in that area of many fuel line connections being ignited by the a loose electrical connection or by something in the meter's mechanism. It would seem to me that the probability is very low, but I'm not sure what safe practice is. I know we have electrical power and connections at boost pumps, but maybe they are designed to operate in an explosive environment and my hour meter isn't. Thanks, Terry --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 02:08 PM 11/13/2003 -0800, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" > >One of the best locations for my engine hour gauge in my RV-8A would appear >to be in a sloped section of what is called the left mid-cabin cover. The >problem is that this is right over the fuel valve and the largest >concentration of fuel lines and fuel line fittings in the airplane, and >therefore an area that would seem to me most susceptible to a fuel leak. I >have been trying to keep the wiring out of that area. Is this a reasonable >concern or just a superstition? Let's consider your concerns a bit. Most items on the panel are fed with 5A circuit protection or smaller. 5A protection will prevent damage to a 22AWG wire (equal to solid copper .025" diameter). What is the wall thickness and volume of the metal line? A cursory thermal study would suggest that the wire is 100X more vulnerable than a fuel line. The same fuses that protect wires also protect anything the wire might come into contact with. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:55 AM PST US From: "Dan Branstrom" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Watsonville --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Branstrom" Hi Mickey, I agree that you can get everything you need from the book and CD. On the other hand, Watsonville was definitely worth it for me. No disrespect to Bob, but unless you can get to the U.S. from Switzerland free, It is not that valuable. I drove 650 Km to get there, but I also visited with my son that weekend. There are a few tricks that you'll learn at a seminar because they need to be seen, but they aren't that important or necessary. The most important thing for me was the reinforcement of the written material that handling and seeing the examples Bob passed around provided as well as hearing him in person. Some of them are mistakes that need to be avoided, and some are examples of techniques. I have been dabbling with electronics and electricity from a young age, but that level of knowledge isn't necessary for the class. As I tell people, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and I'm real dangerous when it comes to electronics. Asking questions on the list will probably help you get what you need after reading the material. BTW, the one place where a breaker is used is on the crowbar OV protection. Dan Branstrom Time: 02:33:47 PM PST US From: Ron Patterson Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Watsonville --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ron Patterson Hi Mickey, I think if you can learn from a book, (I don't do that so well...more of a visual learner) then I think you will be fine. The bottom line is...no circuit breakers, no avionics master switch necessary, use fuse blocks (2 or 3) for main bus, essential buss and possibly battery buss. Use a central grounding block under the panel with push on connectors. He talks about not preventing failure but being "failure tolerant", ie: if the main bus goes down, you have the essential bus to fly on to destination (or until you can safely land). repairs are done on the ground, not toubleshot in the air. I'm sure if Bob were to summarize his ideas for you he could do much better than me. Indeed, get the book! many of his ideas are there. Mickey Coggins wrote: Hi Ron, Did you learn things that are not in the book? I'm wondering if it is worth flying to the session in Ft. Worth from Switzerland. If it is just a matter of me buckling down and really carefully reading the book, that would be a better use of my time, I believe. Thanks, Mickey -- Mickey Coggins GSM: +41-79-210-3762 FAX: +41-86-079-210-3762 http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 Empennage complete, waiting for wings to arrive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:12 AM PST US From: "Greg's Mail" <50coperhed@jbntelco.com> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: alternator breaker tripping --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Greg's Mail" <50coperhed@jbntelco.com> My OVM was purchased in july of this year and has black and orange wires. And yes it trips if I switch on either the strobes or a landing or taxi light. Thanks Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: alternator breaker tripping > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > > At 10:50 AM 11/14/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Greg's Mail" > ><50coperhed@jbntelco.com> > > > >Hi, everyone, I just got my RV4 in the air and have used the ovm > >wired in as shown in the AEC book with an internally regulated > >alternator. All is well about 13.8 volts on the voltmeter, until I > >turn on the strobes or a landing light and then the 5a pullable > >breaker on the alt field trips.Then the voltage goes down to > >about 13.2 or 13.3. Where would you recomend to start looking? > >Thanks Greg Davis > > If I understand you, the crowbar trips if you turn ON EITHER > strobes or landing light. How long have you had your ov > module? A couple of years ago, we made a design change to > preclude nuisance tripping that showed up in a small percentage > of airplanes. What color are the leadwires on your ov module > and when did you buy it? > > It may need a modification that I can accomplish in a few minutes > on the bench if you'll mail it to me. > > Bob . . . > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:38 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Fire hazard --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 11:05 AM 11/14/2003 -0800, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" > >Thanks for the reply, Bob, but let me restate my concerns. They are not >about a wire coming loose and burning through the fuel lines, but a >potential fuel leak in that area of many fuel line connections being ignited >by the a loose electrical connection or by something in the meter's >mechanism. It would seem to me that the probability is very low, but I'm >not sure what safe practice is. I know we have electrical power and >connections at boost pumps, but maybe they are designed to operate in an >explosive environment and my hour meter isn't. Understand. Now your talking about multiple failures stack on top of variable conditions. Leaking line + electrical arc that MIGHT ignite fumes IF they reach stoichiometric proportions. Except for a gross failure that dumps quantities of fuel into the cockpit, your nose will raise warning flags on drips long before the mixture approaches hazardous levels. Heard of a Glasair battery box exploding when the battery contactor (mounted inside box with battery) was operated after un-controlled alternator runaway was permitted to proceed so far that products of an out-gassing battery confined in stoichiometric proportions. Just mounting the battery out in the open where products of overcharging simply wafted away would have broken the chain that supported the catastrophic event. It's a good question to ask . . . I perceive that risks due to proximity of fuel lines and panel mounted hardware are extremely low. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:13 PM PST US From: "Werner Schneider" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Lasar Ignition Draw --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider" Its for both together, when I have some time I might do it left and right. Werner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Lasar Ignition Draw > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > > At 07:11 AM 11/14/2003 +0100, you wrote: > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider" > > > > > >Hi Bruce, > > > >I have a 10A fuse, idle current (engine nor running) measured 0.2A plus > >20ma for my LED warning light, running current is in my case 2A. > > > >Glastar #5794 > > Great data. Thank you. Are the figures for each magneto > or the pair together? > > Bob . . . > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:53 PM PST US From: "Scott Diffenbaugh" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Z-13 questions --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Scott Diffenbaugh" Bob, Just finished reviewing the Z-13 archives again and found answers to a bunch of my questions. A great resource--Thank you! A couple questions outstanding: 1) Found this question but couldn't find your response: How about hooking the main alt field switch to the battery bus in case the battery contactor fails? The alternator would then remain on line and continue to power the main bus. Assuming the alternator would be unstable without a battery, could you close the E bus aux feed switch and backfeed the battery through the diode? I believe I read in one of the archives that the fuselink is located at the E bus in case of backfeed. 2) To help me better understand the E bus operation, I would like to pose a hypothetical situation. If I have an SD-8 back up alternator, and my E bus load is set up for a hypothetical 20A (it will actually be about 6A typical to 12A max), and I have my ACS 2002 voltmeter hooked to the E bus, and my ACS hall amp sensor around the SD-8 "B" lead, and I have a low voltage warning light installed on the backup circuit, would you mind outlining what I will see and/or read from the point when I close the aux feed switch until my E bus devices fail? Thank you again! Scott Diffenbaugh diff@foothill.net ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:28 PM PST US aeroelectric-list@matronics.com From: Neil Clayton Subject: AeroElectric-List: Multi-pin plug for Infinity Aerospace stick grip --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Neil Clayton I just received my Infinity Aerospace stick grip and I'd like it to be readily removable for maintenance and for modification of the switch configuration. The wire is a 19 strand bundle, although not all of them may be used. Is there a multi-pin plug connector that I could use to plug the stick into the aeroplane? Thanks, Neil ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:46 PM PST US From: "Richard M. Martin" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Multi-pin plug for Infinity Aerospace stick grip --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard M. Martin" 25 pin sub D Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Neil Clayton aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Multi-pin plug for Infinity Aerospace stick grip --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Neil Clayton I just received my Infinity Aerospace stick grip and I'd like it to be readily removable for maintenance and for modification of the switch configuration. The wire is a 19 strand bundle, although not all of them may be used. Is there a multi-pin plug connector that I could use to plug the stick into the aeroplane? Thanks, Neil