---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/28/03: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:31 AM - Re: Pitch Trim Help (kempthornes) 2. 10:47 AM - Re: Bob, need info on microair com/xpdr (Rick Fogerson) 3. 11:22 AM - What Listers Are Saying III (Matt Dralle) 4. 11:35 AM - What Listers Are Saying III (Matt Dralle) 5. 12:22 PM - Best CAD for printing (Matt Jurotich) 6. 02:55 PM - Re: Removing Molex KK Pins (James Redmon) 7. 03:31 PM - S-Tec 30 testing woes.... (Ralph E. Capen) 8. 03:50 PM - Re: Removing Molex KK Pins (Gilles.Thesee) 9. 05:59 PM - Re: Removing Molex KK Pins (KITFOXZ@aol.com) 10. 06:04 PM - Re: Removing Molex KK Pins (KITFOXZ@aol.com) 11. 07:14 PM - Re: Removing Molex KK Pins (kayce) 12. 07:28 PM - Re: S-Tec 30 testing woes.... (Bill Hibbing) 13. 08:15 PM - headsets (Mark Delano) 14. 08:30 PM - Re: Removing Molex KK Pins (James Redmon) 15. 08:45 PM - Re: Best CAD for printing (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 16. 09:07 PM - Re: Removing Molex KK Pins (James Redmon) 17. 09:40 PM - Re: Bob, need info on microair com/xpdr (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:41 AM PST US From: kempthornes Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Pitch Trim Help --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: kempthornes At 08:46 PM 11/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim V. Wickert" > > >The units at Harbor frt are not 12volt. Lots of 12V motors at Pick n Pull and other auto wrecking yards. hal ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:54 AM PST US From: "Rick Fogerson" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bob, need info on microair com/xpdr --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" Hi Bob, I downloaded the operation maual. Thanks. I still have a question though. On your wiring diagram, REV A 11-5-2 page 0.0, you have the audio beep (assume is same as alert tone described on page 17 of operations manual) wired from pin #1 to the auxilary audio in on iso amp. It appears that the audio in on iso amp is this an optional piece of equipment that doesn't come with the xpdr and I don't have to wire this. True? thanks, Rick Fogerson. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bob, need info on microair com/xpdr > > > >Do Not Archive > >Thanks, Rick Fogerson > >RV3 wiring > >Boise, ID > > Did you get this radio from me? There's supposed to be a copy > of installation and operating instructions in each shipment. > You can download the POH at: > http://www.microair.com.au//admin/uploads/T2000_user_manual_V27.pdf > or if you have trouble with that link try my server at: > http://www.aeroelectric.com/Installation_Data/T2000_user_manual_V27.pdf > > Bob . . . > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:43 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: AeroElectric-List: What Listers Are Saying III --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Listers, Wow, Wednesday was a great day with lots of Listers getting online and making their contributions!! Thanks to a number of you that jumped up to carry the flag and rally support for the cause! 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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:32 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: AeroElectric-List: What Listers Are Saying III --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Dralle ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:13 PM PST US From: Matt Jurotich Subject: AeroElectric-List: Best CAD for printing --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich Bob and All Of the 3 CAD programs on the CD, which is best for printing and which is best if you want to modify? Thanks Matthew M. Jurotich NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Swales contractor to the JWST ISIM Systems Engineer m/c : 443 e-mail mail to: phone : 301-286-5919 fax : 301-286-1736 JWST URL: Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Molex KK Pins --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James Redmon" Bob, Thanks again for great advice, but I wanted to pass something along to the others as well. While looking at a local electronics store, I happened across a Molex .156" extractor tool...and it was only $2.50. So, I threw it in the bag with the other connectors I was actually after. Got home and tried it on a couple of pins - it worked on a few just fine, then it happened....on a particularly difficult pin, I slipped and it broke the tiny tip off. (Grrrrr!) My wife heard the explicative coming from garage and came out to see what was wrong. After showing her the broken toll, she said "Wait just a sec" and went back into the house. A few seconds later, she came back with a "bobby-pin" and said, "Will this work?" Ha!!! Not only did it work, it worked BETTER than the actual tool!!! Perfect width, and slightly thinner, so it was easier to get under the pins. ...and yes, I will be posting this on my website under the "innovations" section for those wanting pictures. Just goes to show...some of the simplest solutions often go overlooked. ..keep your eyes open out there! James Redmon Berkut #013 N97TX www.berkut13.com > I've made dozens of extraction tools for various > tab-retained connector pins by cutting down a > pocket screwdriver as shown here: > > http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/extraction_tool.jpg > > You need to grind gently so that the shank doesn't get so > hot that it melts the plastic handle. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:00 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: AeroElectric-List: S-Tec 30 testing woes.... --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" Folks, I have been testing my panel components as I go along and have run into a particularly ornery piece of equipment to troubleshoot. I don't want to 'blame the box' immediately so I thought that I would ask around first. Here's what I have: S-Tec 30 dual axis autopilot coupled to, NSD1000 HSI and UPSAT GX60/SL30/ACU via S-Tec GPSS (steering) switch. Here's the itch: With the autopilot gyro all spooled up, I first get the ready light and the four inner lights lit as it goes through its self test...then the four inner lights go out and the ready light only stays on. This is without the pitch computer's cable attached (seems normal to me). When I attach the pitch computer's cable attached, the unit never comes up as ready. I've run all of the wiring to make sure that there are no opens or shorts....good to go. I have power on the power pin at the pitch computer's connector but I don't have the 10VDC at the alt hold disconnect switch wire (its wires are good too). Anyone else out there had this problem? I'm beginning to suspect the pitch computer unit...! Any help would be greatly appreciated, Ralph Capen RV6A Richardson, TX ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:58 PM PST US From: "Gilles.Thesee" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Molex KK Pins --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gilles.Thesee" A few seconds later, she came back with a > "bobby-pin" and said, "Will this work?" Ha!!! Not only did it work, it James, What is a bobby pin ? Thanks, Gilles ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:16 PM PST US From: KITFOXZ@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Molex KK Pins --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com In a message dated 11/28/2003 5:56:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, james@berkut13.com writes: A few seconds later, she came back with a "bobby-pin" and said, "Will this work?" Ha!!! Not only did it work, it worked BETTER than the actual tool!!! Perfect width, and slightly thinner, so it was easier to get under the pins. ...and yes, I will be posting this on my website under the "innovations" section for those wanting pictures. Just goes to show...some of the simplest solutions often go overlooked. ..keep your eyes open out there! James Redmon Berkut #013 N97TX www.berkut13.com James, I have used pieces of hacksaw blades reshaped on the bench grinder to make various extractor tools over the years. Brass tubing can be fashioned into extractors for round pins too. John P. Marzluf Columbus, Ohio Kitfox Outback (out back in the garage) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:56 PM PST US From: KITFOXZ@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Molex KK Pins --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com In a message dated 11/28/2003 6:51:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr writes: What is a bobby pin ? Thanks, Gilles They were pieces of jewelry worn with bobby socks! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:40 PM PST US From: "kayce" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Molex KK Pins --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "kayce" Sorry to correct you, but bobby pins are used by women in doing their hair, thin flat metal a very tight ubend, about a 2-3 mm loop at one, end & parallel about 5-6mm from the loop & touching,total about 1.5- 2" long.A hair pin is another type pin, Picture a paper clip with only one bend. Harold.. RV-9 --------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: KITFOXZ@aol.com >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com > >In a message dated 11/28/2003 6:51:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, >Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr writes: >What is a bobby pin ? >Thanks, >Gilles >They were pieces of jewelry worn with bobby socks! > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:08 PM PST US From: "Bill Hibbing" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: S-Tec 30 testing woes.... --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Hibbing" Ralph, Watch the NFL tomorrow and then Monday morning give S-Tec tech support a call. I've found them to be very helpful. Bill Glasair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: AeroElectric-List: S-Tec 30 testing woes.... > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" > > Folks, > > I have been testing my panel components as I go along and have run into a particularly ornery piece of equipment to troubleshoot. I don't want to 'blame the box' immediately so I thought that I would ask around first. > > Here's what I have: > > S-Tec 30 dual axis autopilot coupled to, > NSD1000 HSI and > UPSAT GX60/SL30/ACU via > S-Tec GPSS (steering) switch. > > Here's the itch: > > With the autopilot gyro all spooled up, I first get the ready light and the four inner lights lit as it goes through its self test...then the four inner lights go out and the ready light only stays on. This is without the pitch computer's cable attached (seems normal to me). > > When I attach the pitch computer's cable attached, the unit never comes up as ready. I've run all of the wiring to make sure that there are no opens or shorts....good to go. I have power on the power pin at the pitch computer's connector but I don't have the 10VDC at the alt hold disconnect switch wire (its wires are good too). > > Anyone else out there had this problem? I'm beginning to suspect the pitch computer unit...! > > Any help would be greatly appreciated, > Ralph Capen > RV6A Richardson, TX > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:14 PM PST US From: "Mark Delano" Subject: AeroElectric-List: headsets --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark Delano" I am experiencing an interesting problem with 4 David Clark Headsets two DC10-30 and two DC10-13.4 . As the 40 hr has been completed it was time to check out the intercom again in preparation for having a passenger. I set up the intercom originally using 2 DC 10-30 headsets with an Icom A200 transceivers internal intercom. The 10-30s work fine together, however the mics are not as noise canceling as a DC 10-13.4 that I have been using for the test flights. When I plug both DC10-13.4 sets in only one mic will work, no sidetone or intercom on the older of the headsets. When I substitute the non working DC10-13.4 with the DC10-30s one mic works and the other 10-30 will not. Note all 4 headsets work when they are the only set plugged in, and the mic jacks are a simple daisey chain. What gives? Mark Delano RV6A 40.4 hr. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:12 PM PST US From: "James Redmon" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Molex KK Pins --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James Redmon" OK...I promise I will post pictures and data on the web site tonight for those still wondering what a bobby-pin is....sorry to invoke a cultural accessory debate. ;-) The "pin" in question is actually and commonly called a "bobby pin" (as also defined by Webster), used on women's hair but not to be confused with a 'U' shaped hairpin, a barrette, hair clip, or even a scrunchi. ...I hope this makes sense, as my wife is feeding me this information...I'm just typing. I don't know about any usage with socks, but the pin is about 2" in length, has only one rounded bend at one end, clamps together in the center and has a slightly upturned end on one prong. I think one of the posts also had an accurate description. Again, pics will be on the site later tonight - that should remove all doubts. James Redmon Berkut #013 N97TX www.berkut13.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "kayce" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Molex KK Pins > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "kayce" > > Sorry to correct you, but bobby pins are used by women in doing their hair, thin flat metal a very tight ubend, about a 2-3 mm loop at one, end & parallel about 5-6mm from the loop & touching,total about 1.5- 2" long.A hair pin is another type pin, Picture a paper clip with only one bend. > Harold.. RV-9 > --------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: KITFOXZ@aol.com > Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 21:04:42 EST > > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: KITFOXZ@aol.com > > > >In a message dated 11/28/2003 6:51:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr writes: > >What is a bobby pin ? > >Thanks, > >Gilles > >They were pieces of jewelry worn with bobby socks! ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:35 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Best CAD for printing --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 03:21 PM 11/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich > > >Bob and All > >Of the 3 CAD programs on the CD, which is best for printing and which is >best if you want to modify? > >Thanks > > >Matthew M. Jurotich > >NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center >Swales contractor to the >JWST ISIM Systems Engineer > >m/c : 443 >e-mail mail to: >phone : 301-286-5919 >fax : 301-286-1736 > > >JWST URL: Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Molex KK Pins --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James Redmon" OK...now posted on my website with pictures as promised. www.berkut13.com -James do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Redmon" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Removing Molex KK Pins > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James Redmon" > > > OK...I promise I will post pictures and data on the web site tonight for > those still wondering what a bobby-pin is....sorry to invoke a cultural > accessory debate. ;-) > > The "pin" in question is actually and commonly called a "bobby pin" (as also > defined by Webster), used on women's hair but not to be confused with a 'U' > shaped hairpin, a barrette, hair clip, or even a scrunchi. ...I hope this > makes sense, as my wife is feeding me this information...I'm just typing. I > don't know about any usage with socks, but the pin is about 2" in length, > has only one rounded bend at one end, clamps together in the center and has > a slightly upturned end on one prong. I think one of the posts also had an > accurate description. > > Again, pics will be on the site later tonight - that should remove all > doubts. > > James Redmon > Berkut #013 N97TX > www.berkut13.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:58 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Bob, need info on microair com/xpdr --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 11:50 AM 11/28/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" > >Hi Bob, >I downloaded the operation maual. Thanks. >I still have a question though. On your wiring diagram, REV A 11-5-2 page >0.0, you have the audio beep (assume is same as alert tone described on page >17 of operations manual) wired from pin #1 to the auxilary audio in on iso >amp. It appears that the audio in on iso amp is this an optional piece of >equipment that doesn't come with the xpdr and I don't have to wire this. >True? true. Bob . . .