AeroElectric-List Digest Archive

Sat 01/03/04


Total Messages Posted: 29



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:41 AM - Re: Visio Symbols (Werner Schneider)
     2. 06:26 AM - Slow starter redux (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
     3. 06:54 AM - New Battery (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
     4. 07:38 AM - Re: Visio Symbols (Jon Finley)
     5. 07:53 AM - Re: Visio Symbols (Larry Bowen)
     6. 08:15 AM - Re: King radio connectors (Hi There)
     7. 08:50 AM - Re: King radio connectors (Neal A. Dillman)
     8. 09:33 AM - Magnaflite Starter MZ-62 series (Jim Stone)
     9. 09:51 AM - Re: King radio connectors (HCRV6@aol.com)
    10. 10:13 AM - Re: King radio connectors (Hi There)
    11. 10:24 AM - Re: Visio Symbols (Richard E. Tasker)
    12. 10:41 AM - LR3C-14 low volts warning light (Matt Jurotich)
    13. 12:16 PM - Re: King radio connectors (James Redmon)
    14. 12:20 PM - Re: King radio connectors (Neal A. Dillman)
    15. 12:32 PM - Re: King radio connectors (James Redmon)
    16. 12:51 PM - Pondering changing from Z-13 to Z-12 (Scott Diffenbaugh)
    17. 03:49 PM - Re: Visio Symbols (Chad Robinson)
    18. 05:33 PM - Re: King radio connectors (HCRV6@aol.com)
    19. 05:39 PM - Muse and Gold Mine (Troy Scott)
    20. 06:08 PM - Avionics Master Switch (Dfsund@aol.com)
    21. 06:09 PM - Re: LR3C-14 low volts warning light (Phil Collins)
    22. 06:41 PM - Re: LR3C-14 low volts warning light - apology (Phil Collins)
    23. 07:58 PM - Re: Visio Symbols (Steve Richard)
    24. 09:11 PM - Sky-Tec starter (Troy Scott)
    25. 09:26 PM - Re: Visio Symbols (Steve Richard)
    26. 09:37 PM - Re: Visio Symbols (Robert Dufresne)
    27. 09:41 PM - Re: Visio Symbols (Robert McCallum)
    28. 09:49 PM - "mother of all electric systems" or just add SD-8 (Troy Scott)
    29. 10:11 PM - IBMM (Troy Scott)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:41:34 AM PST US
    From: "Werner Schneider" <wernerschneider@compuserve.com>
    Subject: Re: Visio Symbols
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider" <wernerschneider@compuserve.com> Hi Chad, I'm running Visio 2002 SR1 and the symbols do not work for me. How did you create them? Do you know, Visio 2002 at least has the explode function, with this I can convert the CAD drawing into a Visio drawing (hovever tripling the size). I think you could somehow import with this functionality however you need to create then the handles manualy. Let me know if you need more help. For all others, copy the vss file into Program Files\Microsoft Office\Visio 10\1033\solutions or wherever your visio is installed and then under file->stencils->open stencil you will find it. Kind regards Werner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Robinson" <crobinson@rfgonline.com> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Visio Symbols > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Chad Robinson <crobinson@rfgonline.com> > > Hello all, > > I have been working on a Visio symbol stencil set based on Bob's CAD symbols - > Bob, I hope you don't mind. I'm doing 5-10 a day as time permits, so this > first copy is just a test set to be sure it works, but I'd appreciate it if a > few people would download the file and check it out. Visio 2000 or higher is > required. > > If this works out I'll incorporate most of the major symbols this weekend, > then do the rest a few at a time as time permits. Check back periodically for > updates. > > http://www.lucubration.com/aero/ > > Regards, > Chad > >


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    Time: 06:26:45 AM PST US
    From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
    Subject: Slow starter redux
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Thanks to all for the input- Some more data: Battery is about 1.5 years old, most of time on a shelf, but used for system checkout and occasionally charged with smart charger. Contactors are on firewall with shortest possible (mere inches) of #4 welding cable connecting batt & contactors. Approx. 3' of #2 weld cable to direct-drive (no gearing) Delco-Remy boat anchor. Ground is #2 weld cable bolted to crankcase at base of dipstick tube, then to Bob's ground lug on firewall next to battery. All fat lugs are crimped and soldered. Most have mentioned high resistance connections but all check OK. Might just "borrow" the Biddle meter from work and ring it out anyway. (Biddle meter is an instrument used to accurately measure resistance in micro-ohms- we use it to measure resistance spotweld gun secondaries- neat tool!) Others cite that a healthy battery and motor work well, so plan is to purchase fresh battery from DigiKey and go from there. Bob has warned us to get a fresh one for flying anyway! Also talked to Dick Waters (Air-Tec) about his Lexus starter, but he is unsure if it will fit the cowling on a -6 (his earlier models would not he says). He is investigating and may send one anyway for a trial-fit. Thanks again to all and especially to Bob- many of you know what a thrill it is to start bringing your project to life and everything (mostly!) actually WORKS!! From The PossumWorks in TN Mark - getting close............


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    Time: 06:54:53 AM PST US
    From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
    Subject: New Battery
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com Howdy again- Battery shopping in new DigiKey catalog I just got and saw new 20 Ah Panasonic with exact same case dimensions as the 17Ah model. Pulled up the data sheets and it appears the only difference is case material (thinner) at a slightly higher weight. New batt: http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/images/pdf/Panasonic_VRLA_LC-X1220P_LC_X1220AP.pdf Old batt: http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/images/pdf/Panasonic_VRLA_LC-RD1217P.pdf Ordering the new one today- will let y'all know if it cures the problem- Mark


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    Time: 07:38:27 AM PST US
    From: "Jon Finley" <jon@finleyweb.net>
    Subject: Visio Symbols
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jon Finley" <jon@finleyweb.net> Hi Chad, Sorry to report that the symbols don't work too well for me. I've opened them as a stencil. When I pull them onto a page the left side is cut off (they are also VERY large). Keep trying, this is good stuff! Jon > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Chad Robinson > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:56 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Visio Symbols > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Chad Robinson > --> <crobinson@rfgonline.com> > > Hello all, > > I have been working on a Visio symbol stencil set based on > Bob's CAD symbols - > Bob, I hope you don't mind. I'm doing 5-10 a day as time > permits, so this > first copy is just a test set to be sure it works, but I'd > appreciate it if a > few people would download the file and check it out. Visio > 2000 or higher is > required. > > If this works out I'll incorporate most of the major symbols > this weekend, > then do the rest a few at a time as time permits. Check back > periodically for > updates. > > http://www.lucubration.com/aero/ > > Regards, > Chad


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    Time: 07:53:50 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
    Subject: Visio Symbols
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com> Very timely. Just last night, I LOST a lot of work I had done in visio. Apparently, if visio doesn't shut down gracefully it can corrupt it's data files, giving you the error "Visio cannot open the file because it's not a Visio file. " You can prevent this by downloading a visio patch here: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;278261. Your symbols worked great. They are different sizes, but otherwise great. Thanks. - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Chad Robinson [mailto:crobinson@rfgonline.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 1:56 AM > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Visio Symbols > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Chad Robinson > --> <crobinson@rfgonline.com> > > Hello all, > > I have been working on a Visio symbol stencil set based on > Bob's CAD symbols - > Bob, I hope you don't mind. I'm doing 5-10 a day as time > permits, so this > first copy is just a test set to be sure it works, but I'd > appreciate it if a > few people would download the file and check it out. Visio > 2000 or higher is > required. > > If this works out I'll incorporate most of the major symbols > this weekend, > then do the rest a few at a time as time permits. Check back > periodically for > updates. > http://www.lucubration.com/aero/ Regards, Chad


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    Time: 08:15:58 AM PST US
    From: Hi There <rv90619@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: King radio connectors
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There <rv90619@yahoo.com> KX-125, sorry, thought all Kings where the same. Cam "Neal A. Dillman" <neald@glyph.com> wrote: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neal A. Dillman" Cam, You will need to be more specific. Which King radio? -Neal- Hi There wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There > >Where can I find the connectors for the back of a King radio. I bought a used radio and want to rewire it. > >Thanks >Cam > > >--------------------------------- > > > > ---------------------------------


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    Time: 08:50:19 AM PST US
    From: "Neal A. Dillman" <neald@glyph.com>
    Subject: Re: King radio connectors
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neal A. Dillman" <neald@glyph.com> Nope, All Kings are different. Check out: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Installation_Data/KX125.pdf -Neal- Hi There wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There <rv90619@yahoo.com> > >KX-125, sorry, thought all Kings where the same. > >Cam > > >"Neal A. Dillman" <neald@glyph.com> wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neal A. Dillman" > >Cam, > >You will need to be more specific. Which King radio? > >-Neal- > >Hi There wrote: > > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There >> >>Where can I find the connectors for the back of a King radio. I bought a used radio and want to rewire it. >> >>Thanks >>Cam >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------- > > > > hn


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    Time: 09:33:45 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com>
    Subject: Magnaflite Starter MZ-62 series
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com> Builders, I've got my eye on the Magnaflite MZ-6222 starter and would like to hear of any experience in the field with this unit. It is probably the lightest on the market and priced very competitively. Thanks, Jim


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    Time: 09:51:59 AM PST US
    From: HCRV6@aol.com
    Subject: Re: King radio connectors
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com In a message dated 1/2/04 6:20:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, rv90619@yahoo.com writes: << Where can I find the connectors for the back of a King radio. I bought a used radio and want to rewire it. >> Try Allied Signal/Honeywell Product support at 1-800-257-0726 or 913-712-1400. Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, firewall forward


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    Time: 10:13:42 AM PST US
    From: Hi There <rv90619@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: King radio connectors
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There <rv90619@yahoo.com> I have the wiring diagram, it's the actual little connector that I need. The part that you crimp onto the end of each wire then put in the back of the rack. Thanks Cam "Neal A. Dillman" <neald@glyph.com> wrote: --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neal A. Dillman" Nope, All Kings are different. Check out: http://www.aeroelectric.com/Installation_Data/KX125.pdf -Neal- Hi There wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There > >KX-125, sorry, thought all Kings where the same. > >Cam > > >"Neal A. Dillman" wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neal A. Dillman" > >Cam, > >You will need to be more specific. Which King radio? > >-Neal- > >Hi There wrote: > > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There >> >>Where can I find the connectors for the back of a King radio. I bought a used radio and want to rewire it. >> >>Thanks >>Cam >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >--------------------------------- > > > > hn ---------------------------------


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    Time: 10:24:28 AM PST US
    From: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
    Subject: Re: Visio Symbols
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net> Is there any reason you could not post a version of this file saved in an earlier version of Visio? I have Visio Technical 4 and can save visio files in version 2, 3 and 4. Or did Microsoft, in its fine monopolistic way remove the capability to save in previous version's file formats? Dick Tasker, RV9A #90573 Chad Robinson wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Chad Robinson <crobinson@rfgonline.com> > >Hello all, > >I have been working on a Visio symbol stencil set based on Bob's CAD symbols - >Bob, I hope you don't mind. I'm doing 5-10 a day as time permits, so this >first copy is just a test set to be sure it works, but I'd appreciate it if a >few people would download the file and check it out. Visio 2000 or higher is >required. > >If this works out I'll incorporate most of the major symbols this weekend, >then do the rest a few at a time as time permits. Check back periodically for >updates. > >http://www.lucubration.com/aero/ > >Regards, >Chad >


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    Time: 10:41:43 AM PST US
    From: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov>
    Subject: LR3C-14 low volts warning light
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov> My LR3C-14 seems to working fine since it delivers 14.2 to 14.4 volts with the engine running and when I connect an external test light between 14 volt buss and terminal 5 I get a blinking light. I assume that little low voltage warning light bulb is burned out. How do I get the bulb out of the holder? Access form the back of the panel is impossible without removing the panel from the plane and that is not scheduled till mid Feb. Matthew M. Jurotich NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center JWST ISIM Systems Engineer m/c : 443 e-mail mailto: mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov phone : 301-286-5919 fax : 301-286-7021 JWST URL: <http://ngst1.gsfc.nasa.gov>


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    Time: 12:16:40 PM PST US
    From: "James Redmon" <james@berkut13.com>
    Subject: Re: King radio connectors
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James Redmon" <james@berkut13.com> No problem - don't mess with the manufacturers...they want $5 a pin, and $100 for a connector - total BS!!! Those avionics guys are smokin something and they ain't sharing! ;-) Checkout this page on my web site - it has the data you need. You can get the pin extractor, the pins, AND the connector for less than $5. You will still need to get a mounting tray if you don't already have one. Enjoy, James Redmon Berkut #013 N97TX www.berkut13.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hi There" <rv90619@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: King radio connectors > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There <rv90619@yahoo.com> > > I have the wiring diagram, it's the actual little connector that I need. The part that you crimp onto the end of each wire then put in the back of the rack. > > Thanks > Cam > > "Neal A. Dillman" <neald@glyph.com> wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neal A. Dillman" > > Nope, All Kings are different. Check out: > > http://www.aeroelectric.com/Installation_Data/KX125.pdf > > > -Neal- > > Hi There wrote: > > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There > > > >KX-125, sorry, thought all Kings where the same. > > > >Cam > > > > > >"Neal A. Dillman" wrote: > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neal A. Dillman" > > > >Cam, > > > >You will need to be more specific. Which King radio? > > > >-Neal- > > > >Hi There wrote: > > > > > > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There > >> > >>Where can I find the connectors for the back of a King radio. I bought a used radio and want to rewire it. > >> > >>Thanks > >>Cam > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > hn > > > --------------------------------- > >


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    Time: 12:20:29 PM PST US
    From: "Neal A. Dillman" <neald@glyph.com>
    Subject: Re: King radio connectors
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neal A. Dillman" <neald@glyph.com> Cam, OK. I think I understand what you want (let me make sure). You want the pins for the molex connectors on the back of the unit. (or do you want the connectors themselves??) Either way, I think the other gentleman was correct. You could either check with Honeywell or your local avionics shop. It is unlikely that any local electronics shop would have either the connectors or the pins. Best of luck. Regards, Neal Hi There wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There <rv90619@yahoo.com> > >I have the wiring diagram, it's the actual little connector that I need. The part that you crimp onto the end of each wire then put in the back of the rack. > >Thanks >Cam > >"Neal A. Dillman" <neald@glyph.com> wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neal A. Dillman" > >Nope, All Kings are different. Check out: > >http://www.aeroelectric.com/Installation_Data/KX125.pdf > > >-Neal- > >Hi There wrote: > > > >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There >> >>KX-125, sorry, thought all Kings where the same. >> >>Cam >> >> >>"Neal A. Dillman" wrote: >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Neal A. Dillman" >> >>Cam, >> >>You will need to be more specific. Which King radio? >> >>-Neal- >> >>Hi There wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There >>> >>>Where can I find the connectors for the back of a King radio. I bought a used radio and want to rewire it. >>> >>>Thanks >>>Cam >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>--------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >hn > > >--------------------------------- > > > >


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    Time: 12:32:57 PM PST US
    From: "James Redmon" <james@berkut13.com>
    Subject: Re: King radio connectors
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James Redmon" <james@berkut13.com> > Checkout this page on my web site - it has the data you need. I hate it when I forget to paste the URL....sorry. http://www.berkut13.com/extractor.htm James Redmon Berkut #013 N97TX www.berkut13.com


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    Time: 12:51:28 PM PST US
    From: "Scott Diffenbaugh" <diff@foothill.net>
    Subject: Pondering changing from Z-13 to Z-12
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Scott Diffenbaugh" <diff@foothill.net> Bob, >On Z-12, you responded to a previous post that if the bat contactor fails, >the E bus will be operating off of battery only. Can I hook the SD20's B >lead to the battery side of the contactor and it's field to the bat bus? That's a long, always hot feed wire. Not sanitary but then, it's YOUR OBAM airplane. For my continued education, can you elaborate on why it's not sanitary? The 10AWG B lead would be about 12" long with a 20A ANL current limiter at the contactor. If the B lead wire or SD-20 shorts, wouldn't the current limiter open, saving the battery, just like the fusible link between the contactor and SD-8 on Z-13 (while in backup mode)? Or might there be leakage through the backup devices, draining the battery after shutdown? >Would this give me the best of all worlds, ie with contactor closed, retain >autoswitching and all busses? With contactor open, keep the battery charged >while operating on the E bus, ie somewhat the same idea as Z-13? If this is >ok, what would be a reasonable design load for the E bus? Contactor failure is rare. Probability of contactor failure during instances where high endurance bus loads are necessary are even more rare. If that's a major concern for you, I'd consider Z-12, dual battery contactors, with SD-20+FAT altenrator and eliminate the e-bus entirely. With 20A of standby power, there's no probability of wanting to operate battery-only and the value of a dual-feed e-bus is diminished. This has a nice ring to it! Looks like it eliminates my contactor failure concerns, my always hot B lead issue above, provides dual feed to the bus, retains autoswitching, eliminates the extra complexity of the E bus, gives the pilot choices in what devices to unload during backup (until overload light stops flashing, right?). There has to be a catch????---besides $ & weight. If I go with dual contactors, & eliminate the E-bus, what failure modes (if any) might I encounter during flight which would require me to open both contactors? Would the contactors be wired in parallel, ie one simply backs up the other by jumping the fat wire terminals and replacing the existing 1-3 AUX alternator switch with another 2-3 master switch? This may sound like overkill, but any merit to using 3 position master switches like on Z-13 and reset only field breakers? Or stick with 2 position switches and pull breakers? (I guess I am asking if with dual contactors, there may be a need to open either field without opening its contactor?) PS: To help me with my decision whether to go with the SD20, do you estimate weeks of months before you have some test results & direction on the SD-8 voltage regulator concerns? Thank you! Scott RV7A Scott Diffenbaugh diff@foothill.net


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    Time: 03:49:01 PM PST US
    From: Chad Robinson <crobinson@rfgonline.com>
    Subject: Re: Visio Symbols
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Chad Robinson <crobinson@rfgonline.com> Dick Tasker wrote: > Is there any reason you could not post a version of this file saved in > an earlier version of Visio? I have Visio Technical 4 and can save > visio files in version 2, 3 and 4. Or did Microsoft, in its fine > monopolistic way remove the capability to save in previous version's > file formats? Sorry folks, I only have Visio 2000, and there does not appear to be any option to control the version of the files. I'll keep looking. Meanwhile, expect another release in a day or two that fixes the other comments you've all sent, and thanks for the feedback. I'll make announcements to this list as the file is updated. Bob, any chance you could drop me a line if you post any new ones? Regards, Chad


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    Time: 05:33:45 PM PST US
    From: HCRV6@aol.com
    Subject: Re: King radio connectors
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: HCRV6@aol.com In a message dated 1/3/04 10:14:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, rv90619@yahoo.com writes: << I have the wiring diagram, it's the actual little connector that I need. The part that you crimp onto the end of each wire then put in the back of the rack.>> Ok, it now sounds like what you are looking for are the pins, not the connector body. I have a few extra left over from my KX-125 install, how many do you need? Do not archive Harry Crosby Pleasanton, California RV-6, firewall forward


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    Time: 05:39:59 PM PST US
    From: "Troy Scott" <tscott1217@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Muse and Gold Mine
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Troy Scott" <tscott1217@bellsouth.net> Charles Brame, The PS Engineering MUSE will do exactly what you want. Regards, Troy Scott tscott1217@bellsouth.net All, Especially Bob Nuckells: I've spent most of the last several days finishing THE BOOK and printing nuggets from the AeroElectric discussion list archives. What a GOLD MINE!! Thanks, everybody! Troy


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    Time: 06:08:55 PM PST US
    From: Dfsund@aol.com
    Subject: Avionics Master Switch
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dfsund@aol.com Bob, I've been wiring my RV-7 per Z-11 and for convenience would like to add an Avionics Master Switch. I've read your article reguarding their necessity (or lack thereof) which included a schematic showing the switch wired between the Main Power Bus and the E-Buss (after the diode). I also read on page 11-3 of the Connection, "The avionics master switch controls e-bus connection to main bus, selects an emergency mode e-bus feed directly from battery and also disables the starter circuits if the switch is not positioned to shut off the avionics". This sounds like you're combining the functions of the avionics master, e-bus alternate feed and bat/alt master switch into one switch. Is this correct? Could you direct me to a schematic showing this switch set up or explain it with switch type, etc. so an electrically challenged person (like me) can understand? Thanks for the help............... Dave


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    Time: 06:09:05 PM PST US
    From: "Phil Collins" <philc1@ix.netcom.com>
    Subject: LR3C-14 low volts warning light
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Phil Collins" <philc1@ix.netcom.com> 1. Grasp yellow bulb between thumb and forefingers... 2. Rotate counter-clockwise until bulb is free of receptacle 3. Install new bulb with clockwise rotation How many NASA Scientists does it take to change a light bulb? :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jurotich Subject: AeroElectric-List: LR3C-14 low volts warning light --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov> My LR3C-14 seems to working fine since it delivers 14.2 to 14.4 volts with the engine running and when I connect an external test light between 14 volt buss and terminal 5 I get a blinking light. I assume that little low voltage warning light bulb is burned out. How do I get the bulb out of the holder? Access form the back of the panel is impossible without removing the panel from the plane and that is not scheduled till mid Feb. Matthew M. Jurotich NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center JWST ISIM Systems Engineer m/c : 443 e-mail mailto: mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov phone : 301-286-5919 fax : 301-286-7021 JWST URL: <http://ngst1.gsfc.nasa.gov> == == == ==


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    Time: 06:41:09 PM PST US
    From: "Phil Collins" <philc1@ix.netcom.com>
    Subject: LR3C-14 low volts warning light - apology
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Phil Collins" <philc1@ix.netcom.com> I need to apologize publicly for that last comment. It was out of line and I regretted it as soon as I clicked send. This board is about offering useful assistance. I have been helped many times by the wealth of knowledge offered by fellow listers. In that light that a couple of additional suggestions. Can you test the bulb without removing it by judicious application of power/ground at the regulator? It could be a broken connection at the holder. If you do remove the bulb use caution not to allow the holder to rotate in its hole. The connections to the holder are likely to be 22 gauge soldered connections not happy with a lot of strain. -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jurotich Subject: AeroElectric-List: LR3C-14 low volts warning light --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Matt Jurotich <mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov> My LR3C-14 seems to working fine since it delivers 14.2 to 14.4 volts with the engine running and when I connect an external test light between 14 volt buss and terminal 5 I get a blinking light. I assume that little low voltage warning light bulb is burned out. How do I get the bulb out of the holder? Access form the back of the panel is impossible without removing the panel from the plane and that is not scheduled till mid Feb. Matthew M. Jurotich NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center JWST ISIM Systems Engineer m/c : 443 e-mail mailto: mjurotich@hst.nasa.gov phone : 301-286-5919 fax : 301-286-7021 JWST URL: <http://ngst1.gsfc.nasa.gov> == == == ==


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    Time: 07:58:44 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Richard" <steve@oasissolutions.com>
    Subject: Visio Symbols
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Richard" <steve@oasissolutions.com> Does this file help anyone? Steve Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chad Robinson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Visio Symbols --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Chad Robinson <crobinson@rfgonline.com> Dick Tasker wrote: > Is there any reason you could not post a version of this file saved in > an earlier version of Visio? I have Visio Technical 4 and can save > visio files in version 2, 3 and 4. Or did Microsoft, in its fine > monopolistic way remove the capability to save in previous version's > file formats? Sorry folks, I only have Visio 2000, and there does not appear to be any option to control the version of the files. I'll keep looking. Meanwhile, expect another release in a day or two that fixes the other comments you've all sent, and thanks for the feedback. I'll make announcements to this list as the file is updated. Bob, any chance you could drop me a line if you post any new ones? Regards, Chad


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    Time: 09:11:21 PM PST US
    From: "Troy Scott" <tscott1217@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Sky-Tec starter
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Troy Scott" <tscott1217@bellsouth.net> Bob Nuckells, you wrote: "If getting the best starter wasn't an option for me, then adding the run-on eliminator would be a good idea." OK. When I bought the DemarsAero IO360B1E (several years ago), Demars suggested the Sky-Tec starter for it's lightness. At the time I knew NOTHING about starters except that they are expensive and they sometimes break. I've spent most of the last several days studying your book and the AeroElectric discussion group archives. I've read several of your posts in which you discuss the run-on problem of the PM starters and the high inrush current, which could even drop the system voltage to the point that the EI wouldn't fire. WOW! The Sky-Tec starter sounds awful! How do they stay in business? Anyway, you've offered fixes like the buffer relay to prevent run-on and a second battery so the engine can start on one while the EI is powered from the other. I could deal with the buffer relay, but having to add a second battery just to keep the EI firing seems ridiculous. What happens when the two batteries are connected to assist cold-weather starting? Bottom Line: Do I need to try to sell the Sky-Tec starter and buy a B&C starter? Regards, Troy Scott tscott1217@bellsouth.net Glasair Super IISRG, SOMEDAY!


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    Time: 09:26:01 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Richard" <steve@oasissolutions.com>
    Subject: Visio Symbols
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Richard" <steve@oasissolutions.com> Sorry, the first file must have been too big (over 1M) and did not show up with the e-mail. I have zipped it and attached it to this e-mail. If it doesn't come across this time, I'm not sure what the problem is. The file contains over 50 visio symbols converted from AeroElectric CAD drawings. Steve --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Richard" <steve@oasissolutions.com> Does this file help anyone? Steve Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chad Robinson Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Visio Symbols --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Chad Robinson <crobinson@rfgonline.com> Dick Tasker wrote: > Is there any reason you could not post a version of this file saved in > an earlier version of Visio? I have Visio Technical 4 and can save > visio files in version 2, 3 and 4. Or did Microsoft, in its fine > monopolistic way remove the capability to save in previous version's > file formats? Sorry folks, I only have Visio 2000, and there does not appear to be any option to control the version of the files. I'll keep looking. Meanwhile, expect another release in a day or two that fixes the other comments you've all sent, and thanks for the feedback. I'll make announcements to this list as the file is updated. Bob, any chance you could drop me a line if you post any new ones? Regards, Chad


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    Time: 09:37:17 PM PST US
    From: Robert Dufresne <robertdufresne@videotron.ca>
    Subject: Re: Visio Symbols
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Robert Dufresne <robertdufresne@videotron.ca> Chad, Same problem for me , i use Visio 2003 Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Finley" <jon@finleyweb.net> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Visio Symbols > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jon Finley" <jon@finleyweb.net> > > Hi Chad, > > Sorry to report that the symbols don't work too well for me. I've > opened them as a stencil. When I pull them onto a page the left side is > cut off (they are also VERY large). > > Keep trying, this is good stuff! > > Jon > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On > > Behalf Of Chad Robinson > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 12:56 AM > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > > Subject: AeroElectric-List: Visio Symbols > > > > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Chad Robinson > > --> <crobinson@rfgonline.com> > > > > Hello all, > > > > I have been working on a Visio symbol stencil set based on > > Bob's CAD symbols - > > Bob, I hope you don't mind. I'm doing 5-10 a day as time > > permits, so this > > first copy is just a test set to be sure it works, but I'd > > appreciate it if a > > few people would download the file and check it out. Visio > > 2000 or higher is > > required. > > > > If this works out I'll incorporate most of the major symbols > > this weekend, > > then do the rest a few at a time as time permits. Check back > > periodically for > > updates. > > > > http://www.lucubration.com/aero/ > > > > Regards, > > Chad > >


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    Time: 09:41:59 PM PST US
    From: Robert McCallum <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Re: Visio Symbols
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Robert McCallum <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca> Steve Richard wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Steve Richard" <steve@oasissolutions.com> > >Sorry, the first file must have been too big (over 1M) and did not show up >with the e-mail. I have zipped it and attached it to this e-mail. If it >doesn't come across this time, I'm not sure what the problem is. The file >contains over 50 visio symbols converted from AeroElectric CAD drawings. > >Steve > > The problem Steve is you can't send ANY attachments to the list. They are automatically stripped as insurance against viruses. You need to send a URL as you did earlier where people can pick up the file. Bob McC do not archive


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    Time: 09:49:43 PM PST US
    From: "Troy Scott" <tscott1217@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: "mother of all electric systems" or just add SD-8
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Troy Scott" <tscott1217@bellsouth.net> Bob Nuckolls, First, I apologize! I've just realized I've been mis-spelling your name. In reading your book, I discovered the Fig's 17-5 and Z-14 dual battery, dual alternator, split bus "mother of all electrical systems" design. The clever name you've given this plan sounds like high praise to me. I assumed that meant that's what I, as a serious pilot, should do. But I've since come across more of your writings, particularly messages 3573, 3865, 2539, 3160, 4090 (and probably several others I haven't found yet) which all sound like you really think the "all electric airplane on a budget" architecture shown in Z-13 is very adequate and possibly preferable. It's certainly lighter. As I've mentioned before I have the IO360 Lycoming with dual ElectroAir EI and normal compression, and an all-electric (but not too power-hungry) IFR panel. I thought I had decided to proceed with the "mother of all...." plan, but if you think the "all electric on a budget" plan is sufficient, that's what I'll do. Anxiously awaiting your reply to this and the PM starter question I am Troy Scott tscott1217@bellsouth.net


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    Time: 10:11:36 PM PST US
    From: "Troy Scott" <tscott1217@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: IBMM
    --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Troy Scott" <tscott1217@bellsouth.net> OK, guys, I'm sure I could find it, but it's late and I'm tired. What does IBMM mean? Troy tscott1217@bellsouth.net




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