Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:27 AM - Narco VOA-5 indicator (John Slade)
2. 07:54 AM - Re: IBMM (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 10:49 AM - Sky-Tec starter (Troy Scott)
4. 11:03 AM - Replacement GNS-430 dsub pins (Jeff Hildebrand)
5. 11:20 AM - Re: Sky-Tec starter (Dan Branstrom)
6. 11:53 AM - radio station license (Troy Scott)
7. 12:23 PM - Re: radio station license (Dan Branstrom)
8. 02:59 PM - Re: Over-voltage, etc (klehman@albedo.net)
9. 03:42 PM - Re: radio station license (Dave Morris)
10. 08:47 PM - Visio Symbols - v1 released (Chad Robinson)
11. 08:48 PM - Re: Over-voltage, etc (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
12. 11:24 PM - Re: Visio Symbols (Mickey Coggins)
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| Subject: | Narco VOA-5 indicator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Slade" <sladerj@bellsouth.net>
Hi Bob,
I've aquired a Narco VOA-5 LOC/Glide Slope indicator and I'd like to wire it
up for to a panel mount GPS such as the Garmin 430. The pinouts arn't in
you're list on the aeroelectric website or the Narco site. Where can I get
the pinouts and a connector?
Regards,
John Slade
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 12:11 AM 1/4/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Troy Scott"
><tscott1217@bellsouth.net>
>
>OK, guys, I'm sure I could find it, but it's late and I'm tired. What does
>IBMM mean?
>Troy
>tscott1217@bellsouth.net
Ignition battery management module - sometimes called
Aux Battery Management Module
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Troy Scott" <tscott1217@bellsouth.net>
Troy,
Last week I had the problem you describe on the Nuckolls site. I just
installed Dual Lightspeed Ignitions on my Q200 and the New Skytec Starter
failed (It worked for many hours on mags just fine). Its repaired now and on
the way back. Rich at Skytec said the drive gear got bent on a kick back.
BTW the kick back wasn't bad and I wouldn't have expected to replace a
starter drive for it! Of course both Klaus and Rich are pointing fingers at
each other.
I think the problem that failed the final drive on my Skytec was a kickback
caused by low voltage. I have new Panasonic 17AH and 6.2AH batteries wired
directly to ignitions thru breakers as per Lightspeeds instructions. The
starter still cranks through a solenoid master to buss.
Lightspeed ignitions and ANY OTHER ELECTRONIC IGNITION screws up when they
get low voltage (5.5V in this case) or confused signals. I was starting on
the 17AH battery with both ignitions on and I think the cranking noise at
the battery sent bogus signals to the ignitions because the volts never
dropped below 7.9V even with the bent drive.
I have a friend who has a Glasair III (same battery setup cranking an IO540)
with duals and said his fix was to either start on the 17AH and use the 7.2
AH for ignition startup or start cranking on the 17AH with both ignitions
off, then turn on the "A" Ignition first (7.2 AH) then the "B" Ignition
(17AH). In his opinion this will happen to any electronic ignition that sees
strange noises at the buss or battery.
BTW the problem occurs with a B&C or Skytec. I'm using an ocilliscope this
time to see exactly where the problem was occurring. Skytec stated to the
FAA for STC approval of this 0200 starter that the in rush Amps is 180.
Good thing you are reviewing the problem before it becomes one for you. This
scenario has happened many times to these companies. You would think they
would warn the "NEW CUSTOMER" of the potential problems before they sell
their stuff with a smile.
Hope this helps. You can pass this along to the Nuckolls site if you wish.
Regards Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 Quickie
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| Subject: | Replacement GNS-430 dsub pins |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeff Hildebrand" <jhildebrand@crownequip.com>
We have a bent male dsub pin on our GNS-430 tray. I would like to
replace the pin, but don't know what part number the pin is and where to
get it.
Does anyone know what the part number is and where to get these pins?
Thanks,
Jeff Hildebrand
Lancair ES
http://lancair.northstartraffic.ca <http://lancair.northstartraffic.ca/>
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| Subject: | Re: Sky-Tec starter |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Branstrom" <danbranstrom@verizon.net>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Troy Scott"
<tscott1217@bellsouth.net>
> Lightspeed ignitions and ANY OTHER ELECTRONIC IGNITION screws up when they
> get low voltage (5.5V in this case) or confused signals. I was starting on
> the 17AH battery with both ignitions on and I think the cranking noise at
> the battery sent bogus signals to the ignitions because the volts never
> dropped below 7.9V even with the bent drive.
>
> I have a friend who has a Glasair III (same battery setup cranking an
IO540)
> with duals and said his fix was to either start on the 17AH and use the
7.2
> AH for ignition startup or start cranking on the 17AH with both ignitions
> off, then turn on the "A" Ignition first (7.2 AH) then the "B" Ignition
> (17AH). In his opinion this will happen to any electronic ignition that
sees
> strange noises at the buss or battery.
I fly with someone who has dual electronic ignitions on their Lancair 360.
They were experiencing kickback on starting, requiring the replacement of
the starter gear. (Easily done at a local automobile electrical repair
business.)
When I volunteered to change the starter for them, it turned out that the
starter was loose. Putting the starter under the load of starting caused
the circuit ground to be interrupted just enough to cause a non-ignition
kickback.
After reinstalling the rebuilt starter, making sure that no ignition was on
the main battery solved all kickback problems.
Dan Branstrom
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| Subject: | radio station license |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Troy Scott" <tscott1217@bellsouth.net>
Gentlemen,
Slightly off topic, maybe, but I know this vast repository of brainpower
will provide the answer: My SL30 installation instructions say I may need a
radio station license. I thought this requirement was eliminated in the mid
90s. Facts?
Regards,
Troy
tscott1217@bellsouth.net
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| Subject: | Re: radio station license |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Branstrom" <danbranstrom@verizon.net>
From the May 10, 2002 EAA e-Hotline:
Q & A: Question of the Week
Question For Aviation Information Services:
I understand that it is a legal requirement to carry documents in a
U.S.-registered certified aircraft. The mnemonic I recall is "ARROW":
Airworthiness Certificate
Registration Certificate
Radio Certificate
Owners Handbook (POH)
Weight & Balance
Is the same list also legally required for a homebuilt experimental?
Answer: Yes, the basic requirement for on-board aircraft paperwork is the
same for all U.S. registered aircraft, regardless of certification category.
The basic list is as follows:
A - Airworthiness Certificate. In the case of an experimental aircraft, this
requirement includes not only the certificate itself, but also the operating
limitations document that was issued along with (and as a part of) the
airworthiness certificate.
R - Registration. This refers to the FAA registration card (FAA Form
8050-3).
R - Radio Station License. This is no longer required for domestic U.S.
operations. However, if you plan to fly across international borders, you
must have one.
O - Operating Limitations. This includes not only an FAA approved Pilot
Operating Handbook (if there is one for your aircraft) but also any other
required documents, markings, and/or placards specified in the aircraft's
type certificate. In the case of an experimental aircraft, this is another
reference to the operating limitations document that was issued along with
the airworthiness certificate, along with any placards or markings required
by the FARs.
W - Weight and Balance. A copy of the most current weight and balance info,
including empty weight center of gravity (CG), fore and aft CG limits, and
arms for all loading points (seats, fuel, baggage, etc.).
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| Subject: | Re: Over-voltage, etc |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: klehman@albedo.net
Bob
Well knock me over with a feather! I separated the connections on my
automotive starter, and the arc from the solenoid is indeed much larger
than the arc from the motor when I make and break the connections.
Thank you very much for spending the time to answer this and my previous
questions. Together with rereading your book and web page about spikes,
and other peoples contributions here, my concerns have all been
addressed (well - for now anyway ;) ) When the answers are not what one
is expecting, it makes all learning much more fun!
Ken
> Motors are not as inductive as you might think. Recall the
> discussions on motor performance a few weeks ago. 12v motors
> don't run on 12v, they run on the DIFFERENCE between applied
> voltage (12v) and counter emf (several volts below applied).
> When you unhook a running motor, the only "kick" you get
> is from a very small amount of leakage inductance . . . the
> energies are small and no-lethal to other components in your
> system.
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| Subject: | Re: radio station license |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave Morris <dave@davemorris.com>
According to the latest BFR review manual from the FAA, the acronym is now
AROW and eliminates the radio station license requirement.
Dave Morris
At 02:25 PM 1/4/2004, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Branstrom"
><danbranstrom@verizon.net>
>
> >From the May 10, 2002 EAA e-Hotline:
>
>Q & A: Question of the Week
>Question For Aviation Information Services:
>I understand that it is a legal requirement to carry documents in a
>U.S.-registered certified aircraft. The mnemonic I recall is "ARROW":
>Airworthiness Certificate
>Registration Certificate
>Radio Certificate
>Owners Handbook (POH)
>Weight & Balance
>Is the same list also legally required for a homebuilt experimental?
>
>Answer: Yes, the basic requirement for on-board aircraft paperwork is the
>same for all U.S. registered aircraft, regardless of certification category.
>The basic list is as follows:
>
>A - Airworthiness Certificate. In the case of an experimental aircraft, this
>requirement includes not only the certificate itself, but also the operating
>limitations document that was issued along with (and as a part of) the
>airworthiness certificate.
>
>R - Registration. This refers to the FAA registration card (FAA Form
>8050-3).
>
>R - Radio Station License. This is no longer required for domestic U.S.
>operations. However, if you plan to fly across international borders, you
>must have one.
>
>O - Operating Limitations. This includes not only an FAA approved Pilot
>Operating Handbook (if there is one for your aircraft) but also any other
>required documents, markings, and/or placards specified in the aircraft's
>type certificate. In the case of an experimental aircraft, this is another
>reference to the operating limitations document that was issued along with
>the airworthiness certificate, along with any placards or markings required
>by the FARs.
>
>W - Weight and Balance. A copy of the most current weight and balance info,
>including empty weight center of gravity (CG), fore and aft CG limits, and
>arms for all loading points (seats, fuel, baggage, etc.).
>
>
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| Subject: | Visio Symbols - v1 released |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Chad Robinson <crobinson@rfgonline.com>
As before, this can be downloaded from http://www.lucubration.com/aero
Regards,
Chad
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| Subject: | Re: Over-voltage, etc |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 05:15 PM 1/4/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: klehman@albedo.net
>
>Bob
>
>Well knock me over with a feather! I separated the connections on my
>automotive starter, and the arc from the solenoid is indeed much larger
>than the arc from the motor when I make and break the connections.
>
>Thank you very much for spending the time to answer this and my previous
>questions. Together with rereading your book and web page about spikes,
>and other peoples contributions here, my concerns have all been
>addressed (well - for now anyway ;) ) When the answers are not what one
>is expecting, it makes all learning much more fun!
I'll try to get some data from a B&C (series-wound field) starter.
I KNOW that leakage inductance in a PM starter is VERY small . . .
if there are any residual energies capable of being a nuisance,
it will come from a all wired magnet motor.
I'm planning on expanding the spikes article presently published
on the website to include this new data.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>Sorry, the first file must have been too big (over 1M) and did not show up
>with the e-mail. I have zipped it and attached it to this e-mail. If it
>doesn't come across this time, I'm not sure what the problem is. The file
>contains over 50 visio symbols converted from AeroElectric CAD drawings.
I've put this set on my web site. http://rv8.ch/files/
There are both visio 5 and visio 2003 versions. Those with
4.5 might try the visio 5 set.
These were sent to me by Steve - thanks!
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
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