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1. 07:04 AM - Re: Xpdr wiring harness question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 07:14 AM - Re: OVM (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
3. 07:35 AM - External regulator on a Van's Alternator (RSamuelson@aol.com)
4. 07:45 AM - Re: OVM (Larry Bowen)
5. 07:54 AM - Re: External regulator on a Van's Alternator (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 08:18 AM - Re: MP3 input to panel mounted intercom (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
7. 08:18 AM - Re: Replacement GNS-430 dsub pins (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
8. 08:19 AM - Re: Testing a strobe (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
9. 08:20 AM - Re: External regulator on a Van's Alternator (Mark Steitle)
10. 08:40 AM - Re: External regulator on a Van's Alternator (Eric Ruttan)
11. 09:08 AM - Z-12 dual contactor questions (Scott Diffenbaugh)
12. 10:07 AM - Modifying Internally Regulated Geo Alternator (Mark Steitle)
13. 02:16 PM - single connector for instrument panel? Jabiru J400 (Scott, Ian)
14. 03:02 PM - Stein Bruch alive? (Hebeard2@aol.com)
15. 03:10 PM - Re: Stein Bruch alive? (ScramIt@aol.com)
16. 03:43 PM - Re: Stein Bruch alive? (Richard Tasker)
17. 04:16 PM - Re: Stein Bruch alive? (James E. Clark)
18. 05:40 PM - Re: SD-8 cap (Glen Matejcek)
19. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: SD-8 cap (Dave Morris)
20. 09:51 PM - Re: Stein Bruch alive? (Hi There)
21. 11:18 PM - RV-8 (Werner Schneider)
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| Subject: | Re: Xpdr wiring harness question |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 08:29 PM 1/5/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" <rickf@cableone.net>
>
>Do not Archive
>
>Hi Bob,
>Received wiring harness fine. One question! The diagram shows the power
>wire from pin 24 of the xpdr going to the Essential Bus with a 5A CB for
>protection. Is this a special case requiring a CB or can I just use the
>normal 5A fuse?
5A fuse is fine too. Didn't have any
shielded pair handy but I threw in a chunk
of shielded trio. You can use this by ignoring
one conductor in the cable.
Bob . . .
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 11:53 PM 1/5/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
>What if the OVM fails to do it's thing during the in-plane test? I'll
>subject everything on the master buss to abnormally high voltage.
>Right?
you betch . . .
> Is this a concern?
yes . . .
> Should I pull all the fuses from the master
>fuse block first?
yes . . .
I prefer to do a bench test on the OVM but it can
be done in the airplane after addressing the concerns
you've identified.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | External regulator on a Van's Alternator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RSamuelson@aol.com
What is involved in modifying a Van's internally regulated 60A alternator to
accept field supply from a LR3C?
Tnaks for the help.
Roy Samuelson
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Alright. Thanks. Maybe that would be a good footnote to have on the
testing schematic....Or is it already there and I missed it?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
Robert L. Nuckolls, III said:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
> At 11:53 PM 1/5/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
>> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
>>
>>What if the OVM fails to do it's thing during the in-plane test? I'll
>>subject everything on the master buss to abnormally high voltage.
>>Right?
>
> you betch . . .
>
>> Is this a concern?
>
> yes . . .
>
>> Should I pull all the fuses from the master
>>fuse block first?
>
> yes . . .
>
> I prefer to do a bench test on the OVM but it can
> be done in the airplane after addressing the concerns
> you've identified.
>
> Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: External regulator on a Van's Alternator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 10:35 AM 1/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RSamuelson@aol.com
>
>What is involved in modifying a Van's internally regulated 60A alternator to
>accept field supply from a LR3C?
>
>Tnaks for the help.
Unless you've successfully made this conversion on
several machines, I recommend you run it internally
regulated as shown in Z-24.
It takes some experience and tools to make the mod
and put it all back together with the same
degree serviceability as a factory assembled alternator.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: MP3 input to panel mounted intercom |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 03:22 PM 1/5/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charles Brame
><charleyb@earthlink.net>
>
>Bob,
>
>My SL-10 does have the "music input." My question is: Can I wire MP3 or
>CD player headphone output directly to the "music input?"
>
>Charlie Brame
>RV-6A N11CB
>San Antonio
probably
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Replacement GNS-430 dsub pins |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 07:08 PM 1/5/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming"
><lhelming@sigecom.net>
>
>Try this:
>http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?24X358218#s604p
>
>You will need the male pin. If it happens again, you probably have a bad
>female pin in that slot. You will need extract tool to get old bent one
>out. And you will need the little $40 crimper that they sell for crimping
>the new pin before inserting in the d-sub.
Measure the diameter of the male pin in question. If it's
0.040" or thereabouts, the pins stocked by B&C are what you
need. I memory serves me, the GNS radios use hi-density
d-sub pins which are smaller. They can be installed with
same crimper but use a different extraction tool.
I spent about 30 minutes trying to find some net-based
suppliers for the machined high-density pins but everyone
seems to be in love with the formed sheet metal pins.
You can get pins and extraction tools from Digikey.
I THINK the B&C BCT-1 tool will install these pins
but I've not tried it.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Testing a strobe |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 02:12 PM 1/5/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
>
>Can I check the power supply with a voltage-OHM METER?
>
>John L. Danielson
>307-266-2524
>johnd@wlcwyo.com
>WLC, Inc.
Only for the relatively steady state high votlage supply
that illuminates the gas in the tube. You'll need a 'scope
to check the trigger pulse.
Bob . . .
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>Robert L. Nuckolls, III
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Testing a strobe
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
><bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
>
>At 08:51 AM 1/5/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Danielson"
><johnd@wlcwyo.com>
> >
> >I think I have a bad strobe. How do you test a strobe bub.
> >I checked the power supply, I have 230+ volts at the red wire and neg 0
> >on the white. I am assuming the black is ground.
> >Appreciate any help.
>
> Wwap the non-working tube with one that is. See if the problem
> stays with the bulb assembly or with the location on the airplane.
> If you have a 'scope . . . check to see if you have a healthy
> trigger pulse appearing on the white wire . . . it will be very
> short but should be on the order of several hundred volts.
>
> Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: External regulator on a Van's Alternator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Steitle <msteitle@mail.utexas.edu>
At 10:35 AM 1/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RSamuelson@aol.com
>
>What is involved in modifying a Van's internally regulated 60A alternator to
>accept field supply from a LR3C?
>
>Tnaks for the help.
>
>Roy Samuelson
Roy,
I went down this road a while back and managed to successfully convert both
of my alternators. I believe that I figured out an easy way to do the mod
necessary for external regualtion. E-mail me off-list if you want and I
will send you a step-by-step guide for doing this.
Mark S.
msteitle@mail.utexas.edu
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| Subject: | Re: External regulator on a Van's Alternator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric Ruttan" <ericruttan@chartermi.net>
Why don't you post it on the list so we all know and it is archived for
future reference?
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: External regulator on a Van's Alternator
>
> At 10:35 AM 1/6/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >What is involved in modifying a Van's internally regulated 60A alternator
to
> >accept field supply from a LR3C?
> >
> >Tnaks for the help.
> >
> >Roy Samuelson
> Roy,
> I went down this road a while back and managed to successfully convert
both
> of my alternators. I believe that I figured out an easy way to do the mod
> necessary for external regualtion. E-mail me off-list if you want and I
> will send you a step-by-step guide for doing this.
>
> Mark S.
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| Subject: | Z-12 dual contactor questions |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Scott Diffenbaugh" <diff@foothill.net>
Bob,
In my previous Z-12 question of hooking the SD-20 B lead to the battery
side of the contactor in case the contactor fails, you responded:
"That's a long, always hot feed wire. Not sanitary but then, it's
YOUR OBAM airplane."
For my continued education, can you elaborate on why it's not sanitary?
In my case, the 10AWG B lead would be about 12" long with a 20A ANL current
limiter at
the contactor. If the B lead wire or SD-20 shorts, wouldn't the current
limiter open, saving the battery? (Just like the fusible link between the
contactor and SD-8 on Z-13 while in backup mode)? Or is the problem that
there might be
leakage through the backup devices, draining the battery after shutdown?
You suggested as an alternative to consider dual contactors.
This has a nice ring to it! Looks like it eliminates my contactor failure
concerns, my always hot B lead issue above, provides dual feed to the bus,
retains autoswitching, eliminates the extra complexity of the E bus, gives
the pilot choices in what devices to unload during backup (until overload
light stops flashing, right?). There has to be a catch????---besides $ &
weight.
If I go with dual contactors, & eliminate the E-bus, what failure modes (if
any) might I encounter during flight which would require me to open both
contactors?
Would the contactors be wired in parallel, ie one simply backs up the other
by jumping the fat wire terminals and replacing the existing 1-3 AUX
alternator switch with another 2-3 master switch?
Thanks! Scott, RV7A
Scott Diffenbaugh
diff@foothill.net
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| Subject: | Modifying Internally Regulated Geo Alternator |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mark Steitle <msteitle@mail.utexas.edu>
Since there seems to be a number of people that would like to read this,
I'm posting it to the list.
This is how I went about converting my Geo alternators. My a/c is being
wired per Z-14.
Mark S.
************************************
First remove the back cover, exposing the diode bridge, regulator assy. and
brush holder.
Second, remove the regulator and brush holder and throw the regulator assy
in the spare parts bin because it won't be needed.
Next remove the brush holder and fabricate a little brace/spacer from 1/8"
phenolic that will support the right side of the brush holder off the diode
bridge. This piece will be about 7/8" x 1/4" with a #8 hole in each end. Do
not make this piece out of metal or it will short out the diode bridge.
Also make up a jumper wire about three inches long with a ring terminal on
each end. One end will attach to the right terminal on the brush holder and
the other will attach to the alternator case (gnd.).
The other terminal on the brush holder will need a spacer under it to keep
the brushes aligned properly. The left brush will need to have the lead
wire un-soldered from the brush holder. The wire comes through the back of
the brush holder. Unsolder it, remove the brush and spring, and drill out
the hole just a bit to allow for a 4-6" long #20 wire with shrink tube to
fit snugly through the hole. Solder the #20 wire to the end of the braided
wire on the left brush. Now we're ready to reassemble the whole thing.
Pass the #20 wire through the hole drilled in the brush holder (from the
inside) and reinsert the spring and brush. Screw the brush holder back into
place, with a spacer washer under the left terminal.
The ground wire goes on the right terminal and attaches to a nearby screw
on the alternator case.
Feed the wire soldered to the left brush through a hole in the alternator
cover, with a grommet to prevent chaffing. Reinstall rear cover. This wire
will go to the "F" terminal of the external voltage regulator. I used a
generic Ford unit from a mid-seventies model. The S & A terminals of the
regulator tie together and get fed from the battery contactor/alternator
switch & 5 amp breaker on the panel. The "B" terminal on the alternator
goes to the battery contactor. The other terminal on the regulator isn't used.
I modified two alternators and they both work great. It takes about 30
minutes to do the modifications. All I need to do now is add a crowbar
over-voltage protector to each regulator and I'm set to go.
Hope this helps someone.
Mark S.
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| Subject: | single connector for instrument panel? Jabiru J400 |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Scott, Ian" <ian_scott@rslcom.com.au>
I think that I already know the answer to this question, however I am considering
installing a single connector between the firewall and the instrument panel
in my Jabiru, so that I can easily remove the panel from the plane, without disconnecting
all the switches on the panel, and the radios etc.
I know that it could be a point of failure, however I wonder how big this is, What
connector should I use?
(simple day VFR aircraft, that runs haply with master switch off, (self exciting
ignition).
Thanks
Ian Scott
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| Subject: | Stein Bruch alive? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hebeard2@aol.com
Guys,
In November of last year Stein Bruch of Stein Air advertised on this list
some AK-450 ELTs for sale. I ordered one of these and sent Stein a check in early
December. Since then I have heard nothing. An e-mail sent December 30, 2003
remains unanswered.
The check I wrote has not yet cleared my bank. Now it appears his website is
down. Does anyone have any information regarding Stein?
Harley E. Beard
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| Subject: | Re: Stein Bruch alive? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
Website:
http://www.steinair.com/
It has been up all this week, emailed and order and got a response in ten
minutes.
stein@steinair.com
Mailed the check today.... Hope I have better luck! : )
SteveD.
Europa A217
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| Subject: | Re: Stein Bruch alive? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
The web site is definitely up and I ordered and received parts
(including my AK-450 ELT) a couple weeks ago.
I paid using Paypal, so maybe that speeded up things.
Dick Tasker, RV9A 90573
ScramIt@aol.com wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ScramIt@aol.com
>
>Website:
>http://www.steinair.com/
>It has been up all this week, emailed and order and got a response in ten
>minutes.
>stein@steinair.com
>Mailed the check today.... Hope I have better luck! : )
>
>SteveD.
>Europa A217
>
>
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| Subject: | Stein Bruch alive? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
I recently (yesterday) received email about a shipment of backordered items.
So I would say that all is alive and well.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Hebeard2@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 6:02 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Stein Bruch alive?
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hebeard2@aol.com
>
> Guys,
>
> In November of last year Stein Bruch of Stein Air advertised on this list
> some AK-450 ELTs for sale. I ordered one of these and sent Stein
> a check in early
> December. Since then I have heard nothing. An e-mail sent
> December 30, 2003
> remains unanswered.
>
> The check I wrote has not yet cleared my bank. Now it appears his
> website is
> down. Does anyone have any information regarding Stein?
>
> Harley E. Beard
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi Bob-
Got a quick one for you. I'm getting deeper and deeper into the finer
details of my electrical sys, and just noted that you recommend a 20 to 50k
uFd cap to filter the SD-8, yet B&C only supplies a 10k uFd cap. Should I
be concerned? Comments / observations?
As ever, thanks for your time and expertise.
Glen Matejcek
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| Subject: | Re: RE: SD-8 cap |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave Morris <dave@davemorris.com>
The value isn't critical. The larger the value, the larger the charge it
can store and the more the cap will look like a "battery" in case the
battery isn't there.
Dave Morris
At 07:40 PM 1/6/2004, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Glen Matejcek"
><aerobubba@earthlink.net>
>
>Hi Bob-
>
>Got a quick one for you. I'm getting deeper and deeper into the finer
>details of my electrical sys, and just noted that you recommend a 20 to 50k
>uFd cap to filter the SD-8, yet B&C only supplies a 10k uFd cap. Should I
>be concerned? Comments / observations?
>
>As ever, thanks for your time and expertise.
>
>Glen Matejcek
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stein Bruch alive? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There <rv90619@yahoo.com>
Just last night I sent him an email about an order that he make a mistake on. About 15 minutes later he sent me an email back and the problem was resolved. I have dealt with the guy a couple of times and he's about the best I've dealt with over the internet, I'm sure it was something that just slipped through. His website was up just a few seconds ago when I checked: http://www.steinair.com/ email: stein@steinair.com
Good luck
Hebeard2@aol.com wrote:
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hebeard2@aol.com
Guys,
In November of last year Stein Bruch of Stein Air advertised on this list
some AK-450 ELTs for sale. I ordered one of these and sent Stein a check in early
December. Since then I have heard nothing. An e-mail sent December 30, 2003
remains unanswered.
The check I wrote has not yet cleared my bank. Now it appears his website is
down. Does anyone have any information regarding Stein?
Harley E. Beard
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider" <wernerschneider@compuserve.com>
Hello Mickey,
still counting parts or trying to get the kit out of custom?
Werner
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