---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/19/04: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:24 AM - Understanding the E-Buss (Julia) 2. 07:29 AM - Re: Radio Antenna for CD player (flyv35b) 3. 07:44 AM - Re: Essential Bus, Aux Battery, with Z-30 (Mickey Coggins) 4. 07:53 AM - Re: Good Stuff from other Sources.... () 5. 08:37 AM - Experience with TruTrack and Navaid Devices Auto Pilots (royt.or@netzero.com) 6. 10:44 AM - Re: Radio Antenna for CD player (Denny) 7. 10:56 AM - Re: Panel Lighting Options (jim jewell) 8. 11:15 AM - Diode polarity? (Rick Fogerson) 9. 11:17 AM - Re: Good Stuff from other Sources.... (Eric M. Jones) 10. 11:23 AM - Re: Panel Lighting Options (Dj Merrill) 11. 11:23 AM - Re: Panel Lighting Options (Dj Merrill) 12. 11:59 AM - Re: Diode polarity? (Vincent Welch) 13. 12:14 PM - Re: Panel Lighting Options (Dj Merrill) 14. 01:18 PM - FW: Battery maintainers () 15. 01:43 PM - Re: FW: Battery maintainers (ALWAYSPDG@aol.com) 16. 01:46 PM - Re: FW: Battery maintainers (David E. Nelson) 17. 01:58 PM - Re: FW: Battery maintainers (Matt Prather) 18. 05:00 PM - Re: Panel Lighting Options (Neil Clayton) 19. 05:41 PM - aeroelectric seminar at Jefferson City (Dean) 20. 05:49 PM - Part number transposition in LVWABMM schematic (Dave Morris) 21. 07:38 PM - Re: Radio Antenna for CD player (Tammy and Mike Salzman) 22. 07:38 PM - FAA AC 20-27F.pdf (BAKEROCB@aol.com) 23. 07:38 PM - Panel Lighting Options (BAKEROCB@aol.com) 24. 09:47 PM - Re: RV-List: Dynon (David Carter) 25. 09:48 PM - Re: FAA AC 20-27F.pdf (TSaccio@aol.com) 26. 10:35 PM - Re: FAA AC 20-27F.pdf (Dj Merrill) 27. 10:52 PM - Re: FAA AC 20-27F.pdf (Bruce Gray) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:50 AM PST US From: Julia Subject: AeroElectric-List: Understanding the E-Buss --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Julia Hello Im wiring my RV following Bobs diagram Z-xx (Generic light aircraft electrical system (alternator w/built-in regulator). Question: The E-Buss is fed from the Battery buss with 16 gage wire & a switch. It is also fed via the diode with 16 gage wire. If all of the components listed on the E-Buss are on, isnt that going to draw quite a bit of power more than the 16 gage wire can handle?? In my case I have a booster pump for a fuel injected engine it looks like it might draw quite a bit of juice what should I do here this booster fuel pump is certainly an essential item and so should go on the E-buss. If you are going down you turn off the Master switch and then have NO power behind the firewall a good thing. With this Battery buss you end up with a small 16 gage hot wire coming back behind the firewall is this not a big deal since its a small wire and would short and fry quickly in a crash as opposed to a scenario where one had a 6 gage wire, which might cause quite an electical mess before it fried? Could someone please help me understand this. Thanks. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:54 AM PST US From: "flyv35b" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Radio Antenna for CD player --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "flyv35b" I have a short piece (about 15") of RG-58AU co-ax connected to the FM antenna in my Bonanza and it seems to work fine. Cliff Hanson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Hildebrand" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Radio Antenna for CD player > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeff Hildebrand" > > I have installed a automotive CD player in our Lancair ES. I would like > to put in an AM/FM antenna, but do not want to compromise any other part > of electrical system or antennas. > > > What do I use for an antenna? Can I keep this antenna inside? The > plane is all fiberglass and I don't want any antennas outside. > > > Jeff Hildebrand > > Lancair ES C-GSPH > > http://lancair.northstartraffic.ca > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:35 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Essential Bus, Aux Battery, with Z-30 --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins Hi Bob, Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I'm building a day/night VFR RV8 that will be running a car engine, so I will have electronic ignition and fuel pumps. I have not yet chosen the final engine package I will use, so I don't know if it will have two ignitions or not. No vacuum pump. The only items I have on my endurance bus are the ECM, fuel pumps, Navcom, and the transponder. I have not yet decided how essential a Dynon would be. I'm not planning on any Atlantic crossings, but I do fly over the Alps, and hope to visit my buddies up in the UK. Depending on the situation, I'll be happy if the ECM(s) and fuel pumps keep working. I will have a courtesy light hooked directly to the main and/or aux battery bus. I'm deducing as fast as I can, but I still don't see the best way to get juice from the aux battery to the endurance bus. Thanks, Mickey > First, what kind of airplane are you building? Does it > have an electrically dependent engine? If so, does the engine > have DUAL systems such that either system will run > the engine? Do you plan a vacuum system? Do you plan > to fly at night . . . or long periods of IMC? > What equipment would you put on the ENDURANCE bus > (we need to quit calling it an essential bus)? > > After you post answers to the above, lets see > if we can provide some information that allows > you to deduce the answers to questions you cited > above. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 Wings ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:35 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Good Stuff from other Sources.... --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi Eric Can you give some internet links for some of these sites? Tom, beecho@beecho.org Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric M. Jones Subject: AeroElectric-List: Good Stuff from other Sources.... --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" There's lots of good stuff for airplanes in magazines and catalogs aimed at a completely different crowd. Half of everything you ever wanted can be found in yachting magazines. But my stepson will be 16 next month so hot cars and hot babes percolate through his brain. I am thus heir to a growing catalog library of Tune-O-Rama souped-up imports a la "The Fast and Furious" . I learn a lot by looking over his shoulder-new designs in vehicles, winged or not, is booming in the Oriental-Mexican-Laid-Off-High-Tech land of El Monte, Pomona, and Santa Fe Springs. And some of these designs are positively brilliant! Prices are not bad either. Entertainment systems have gone over to huge shock mounted remotely located hard-drives, with displays and controls on flat screen videos on the panel. Available touch-screen selections include, Audio, Video, DVD, Cameras(!). NAV (GPS), Games, etc. See www.TRC12Volt.com. Cool Instruments-Analog gauges were never completely taken over by digits. Now the analog gauges are better than ever and many meters are little flat-screens that do tricks. Round analog gauges have found a new home on "pods" located on what they used to call the A-pillar. A great place for high-visual value gauges. Superb lighting too, lots of Indiglo. I'd look at these before buying from the aircraft folks. More neat tricks-Beltronics has a neat little Performance Timer Accelerometer. Since the thing is a timer and accelerometer coupled to a microprocessor, they do amazing things with it. Among other things it measures horsepower. How neat would it be to build a device that tells you if you're going to be able to take off in the available runway using such a device as a start? Heads-up displays-see www.holosport.com. Titanium mufflers, HID lights, LEDs, racing seats, mixture gauges (I never suspected that anyone made these!), control stick booties-you WISH your engine compartment and interior could look this good! Now where do they get those young babes in the carbon-fiber bikinis? Regards, Eric M. Jones www.PerihelionDesign.com 113 Brentwood Drive Southbridge MA 01550-2705 Phone (508) 764-2072 Email: emjones@charter.net ps: Bob---That's a battery am you best filter ... == == == == ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:10 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Experience with TruTrack and Navaid Devices Auto Pilots From: royt.or@netzero.com --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: royt.or@netzero.com (Cross post on Zenith List and Aeroelectric list) I purchased a ($1300) Navaid Devices single axis autopilot in early 02 (http://navaid-devices.com/index.htm). When the Digitrak was introduced at Oshkosk in 02 with an introductory price of ~$1600 (now $1795), I decided I would return the Navaid Device AP and get the Digitrak (http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/). My Digitrak performs great. I did break the servo shear screws after I had flow my plane for about 60 hours. Trutrak had GREAT customer service. Before I understood why the AP no longer worked correctly, Trutrak said to ship the controller and the servo to them, AT THEIR COST, and they would repair and return the unit. When I realized the shear screws broke, I returned the servo, AT TRUTRAKS COST, and they exchanged the servo for a more powerful unit. The new servo was shipped the same day Trutrak received my original servo. The Navaid Device guarantee states The customer has 60 days in which to return the equipment for a full refund. In the case of an aircraft under construction, the clock starts whenever you start flying; we take your word on that date. So, when I started flying my plane, I contacted Navaid Devices to find out what needed to be done to return the unit per the guarantee. I shipped the unit back (at my cost) per directions, with instructions to apply the refund to my credit card. After calling to get confirmation that the unit was delivered, I was told all the returned AP was complete and my refund would appear shortly. Shortly took about 4 months, multiple phone calls, emails and faxes. Each time I talked to Richard, he told me something like he had not gotten around to processing the refund and would do it that day. Im very glad I have the Digitrak. The total cost of the Digitrak is higher than the cost of a Navaid Devices. In addition to the higher cost of the AP, you need to supply a GPS data stream to the Digitrak and the Digitrak does not include a turn coordinator. Trutrak is a company who continues to develop innovative auto pilots. In my experience, they have great customer support. Navaid Devices is a company who produces an existing product, but does not have designers on staff and may not understand all the intricacies of the design. My experience was poor response/suppport from Navaid Devices. Regards, Roy N601RT: CH601HDS, nose gear, Rotax 912ULS, All electric, IFR equipped, 160 hrs. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:27 AM PST US From: "Denny" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Radio Antenna for CD player --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Denny" Hi Jeff you need to make a dipole with each side being 26.2 inches long. I highly recommend the book by Jim Weir from RST Engineering http://www.rst-engr.com It will explain the how's and whys of all of this and the proper placement. You can bye the book alone or the book and the kit of parts all extremely reasonable. Good luck Denny -----Original Message----- Subject: AeroElectric-List: Radio Antenna for CD player I have installed a automotive CD player in our Lancair ES. I would like to put in an AM/FM antenna, but do not want to compromise any other part of electrical system or antennas. What do I use for an antenna? Can I keep this antenna inside? The plane is all fiberglass and I don't want any antennas outside. Jeff Hildebrand Lancair ES C-GSPH http://lancair.northstartraffic.ca _ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:53 AM PST US From: "jim jewell" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Panel Lighting Options --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "jim jewell" Ben, Thanks for the info. I have at least 3" of of glare sheild to work with if I decide to go with the light strips. Jim in Kelowna do not archive - message re-sent due to delivery failure notice. ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Panel Lighting Options > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Benford2@aol.com > > In a message dated 1/18/2004 6:20:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, > jjewell@telus.net writes: > > > Hello Ben, > > > > How far from the control panel are your strip lights? > > A measurement from the center of the strip light to the panel surface To the > > nearest 1/4" will do. > > Thanks, > > Jim in Kelowna > > Strips are about an inch wide. The inner part is 3/8" away and the outside > is 1 3/8". If I had one more inch or so to move it out I bet it would be much > better. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:19 AM PST US From: "Rick Fogerson" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Diode polarity? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" Hi Bob, I bought two Radio Shack diodes (V7D N5400) to jumper the coil on the two relays you recommended for the dual E.I.'s that are located in the back of the RV3 with the dual batteries. Your book designates the polarity of a diode with a black stripe at one end. However, the diodes I bought are 3/4 black with one end (about 1/4 of the diode length) silver? Thanks for your assistance, Rick Fogerson Boise, ID ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:31 AM PST US From: "Eric M. Jones" Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Good Stuff from other Sources.... --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" >From: beecho@beecho.org > AeroElectric-List message posted by: >Can you give some internet links for some of these sites? >Tom, beecho@beecho.org Do not archive Tom and others, I would suggest swinging by your local magazine rack and grabbing a couple of the magazines devoted to hot cars. The one I perused was "Import Tuner"l. They do have a website at www.importtuner.com but you'll have to plow thorough the pretty models to find the car parts. There are lots more of these site online. Google! Eric ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:15 AM PST US From: Dj Merrill (by way of Matt Dralle ) Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Panel Lighting Options --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill (by way of Matt Dralle ) John Wiegenstein wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Wiegenstein" > >I've got 3 of the Van's eyeball lights but am waffling over whether to go >with those (either on the cockpit sides, or more likely recessed at >intervals in a foam mounting block run along the underside of the glare >shield skin) or something like the strip lighting kit from Aero Enhancements >(www.aeroenhancements.com), which looks neat and provides an easy mounting >setup on the underside of the glare shield skin, but kind of spendy. Any >recent experience by any listers with either option? I've got a tip-up 6 >with a few internally lit instruments, but the flight instruments are >unlighted. Any other options that people are using with good results? >John Wiegenstein >Hansville, WA >RV-6 N727JW (reserved) I just retrofited all of my flight instruments with the Nulite units (available from Aircraft Spruce for about $38 each). End result is that the instruments appear as if they have internal lighting built in. I coupled it to a dimmer system from B&C http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?10X358218#dim50-14 I like the end result a lot. http://www.directron.com/bluelightstrip.html I bought some, but have not installed it yet due to the frigid cold weather up here in the NE. -Dj ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:21 AM PST US From: Dj Merrill (by way of Matt Dralle ) Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Panel Lighting Options --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill (by way of Matt Dralle ) John Wiegenstein wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Wiegenstein" > >I've got 3 of the Van's eyeball lights but am waffling over whether to go >with those (either on the cockpit sides, or more likely recessed at >intervals in a foam mounting block run along the underside of the glare >shield skin) or something like the strip lighting kit from Aero Enhancements >(www.aeroenhancements.com), which looks neat and provides an easy mounting >setup on the underside of the glare shield skin, but kind of spendy. Any >recent experience by any listers with either option? I've got a tip-up 6 >with a few internally lit instruments, but the flight instruments are >unlighted. Any other options that people are using with good results? >John Wiegenstein >Hansville, WA >RV-6 N727JW (reserved) I just retrofited all of my flight instruments with the Nulite units (available from Aircraft Spruce for about $38 each). End result is that the instruments appear as if they have internal lighting built in. I coupled it to a dimmer system from B&C http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?10X358218#dim50-14 I like the end result a lot. For glareshield strip lighting, try these at $10: http://www.directron.com/bluelightstrip.html I bought some, but have not installed yet due to the frigid cold weather up here in the NE. -Dj ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:54 AM PST US From: "Vincent Welch" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Diode polarity? --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" It doesn't matter the stripe, be it white or black denotes the cathode end. Wire according to Bob's drawing regardless of the color of the stripe on your particular diode. Vince >From: "Rick Fogerson" >Reply-To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: AeroElectric-List: Diode polarity? >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:17:33 -0700 > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rick Fogerson" > > >Hi Bob, >I bought two Radio Shack diodes (V7D N5400) to jumper the coil on the two >relays you recommended for the dual E.I.'s that are located in the back of >the RV3 with the dual batteries. Your book designates the polarity of a >diode with a black stripe at one end. However, the diodes I bought are 3/4 >black with one end (about 1/4 of the diode length) silver? > >Thanks for your assistance, >Rick Fogerson >Boise, ID > > Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Panel Lighting Options From: Dj Merrill --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill This is weird. I sent this out on Sunday (yesterday) early afternoon, and it is just showing up now... -Dj On Mon, 2004-01-19 at 14:23, Dj Merrill wrote: > I just retrofited all of my flight instruments with the > Nulite units (available from Aircraft Spruce for about $38 each). > End result is that the instruments appear as if they have > internal lighting built in. I coupled it to a > dimmer system from B&C > http://www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?10X358218#dim50-14 > I like the end result a lot. > > For glareshield strip lighting, try these at $10: > http://www.directron.com/bluelightstrip.html > I bought some, but have not installed yet due to the > frigid cold weather up here in the NE. > > -Dj > -- Dj Merrill Thayer School of Engineering ThUG Sr. Unix Systems Administrator 8000 Cummings Hall deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu - N1JOV Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH 03755 "On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section, it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux." -Anonymous ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:16 PM PST US From: Subject: AeroElectric-List: FW: Battery maintainers --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: -----Original Message----- From: beecho@beecho.org [mailto:beecho@beecho.org] Subject: Battery maintainers Does anyone have experience with battery maintainers that one can leave installed on a sealed battery without risk of damaging it? Aircraft Spruce shows three different ones. Batteryminder, Battery Tender, and Electronic power Systems. Thanks Tom Friedland ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:09 PM PST US From: ALWAYSPDG@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Battery maintainers --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: ALWAYSPDG@aol.com Tom, I have used the Battery Tender for many years and it has worked very well for me. I have used them on motorcycles, airplanes, and cars. I highly recommend this charger. It is completely automatic. You just plug it in and you are done. It does all the work for you. I don't have any experience with the others therefore I just thought I would give my opinion on the one I do. Michael Valentine ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:42 PM PST US From: "David E. Nelson" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Battery maintainers --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" Hi Tom, I've been using a Battery Tender Plus on my motorcycle batfteries. Both traditional water/acid based and the Panasonic "Sealed Lead-Acid" w/o any problems. Been using for the Battery Tender for several years and have left it on for months at a time with great success. Regards, /\/elson RV-7A - Emp Austin, TX On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 beecho@beecho.org wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: beecho@beecho.org [mailto:beecho@beecho.org] > To: AeroElectric Forum > Subject: Battery maintainers > > > Does anyone have experience with battery maintainers that one can leave > installed on a sealed battery without risk of damaging it? Aircraft > Spruce shows three different ones. Batteryminder, Battery Tender, and > Electronic power Systems. > > Thanks > > Tom Friedland ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FW: Battery maintainers From: "Matt Prather" --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Matt Prather" Covered at some length in the archive. Search for 'battery tender'. Regards, Matt N34RD do not archive > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: beecho@beecho.org [mailto:beecho@beecho.org] > To: AeroElectric Forum > Subject: Battery maintainers > > > Does anyone have experience with battery maintainers that one can leave > installed on a sealed battery without risk of damaging it? Aircraft > Spruce shows three different ones. Batteryminder, Battery Tender, and > Electronic power Systems. > > Thanks > > Tom Friedland > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:56 PM PST US From: Neil Clayton Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Panel Lighting Options --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Neil Clayton At 10:41 AM 1/18/2004, you wrote: >.....My only regret is I should have left a longer >overhang to my top skin over the panel. Ben....how much "overhang" did you leave? I'm thinking of using the same strip lighting feature. Thanks Neil ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:52 PM PST US From: "Dean" Subject: AeroElectric-List: aeroelectric seminar at Jefferson City --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dean" Bob Belated thank you for the excellent seminar last weekend. You provided the extra knowledge and instilled the confidence I needed to start wiring my RV-9A. With my electrically dependent engine, I am sure that I will have more questions as time goes on. We discussed use of bonding brushes at the seminar and just this week, The Yard Catalog # 61 arrived in the mail and confirmed my recollection that they were my source. They have the brushes with 3/32, 1/8, 5/32, and 3/16 pilots at $1.50 each or a set of four for $3.95. They are new stock, not used , see page 35. Best Regards Alden Van Winkle ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:22 PM PST US From: Dave Morris Subject: AeroElectric-List: Part number transposition in LVWABMM schematic --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave Morris Bob, While keying in a Digikey order for parts for the Low Voltage Warning and Aux Battery Management Module, I discovered that the 1.0uF 16V tantalum cap was mislabeled on the schematic diagram (page 2 of http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/lvwarn/9021-620.pdf) as Digikey Part Number P2015, but should actually be P2105. The part number as currently listed is the wrong value and the wrong voltage. Regards, Dave Morris ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:30 PM PST US From: Tammy and Mike Salzman Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Radio Antenna for CD player --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Tammy and Mike Salzman Bob and all, Sorry for not including it. Thought you could read my mind, ..er something. I feel like a dutz. Here it is: http://www.julianos.com/in-car_antenna.html Mike Salzman Fairfield, CA LNCE --- BobsV35B@aol.com wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BobsV35B@aol.com >..... > Good Evening Mike, > > Is there a link here that I missed? ....... ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:34 PM PST US From: BAKEROCB@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: FAA AC 20-27F.pdf pulsar-builders@caseyk.org --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BAKEROCB@aol.com 1/19/2004 Hello Fellow Builders, Advisory Circular 20-27F, CERTIFICATION AND OPERATION OF AMATEUR-BUILT AIRCRAFT is the latest version of this AC. Anyone thinking of building an aircraft, building an aircraft, registering an aircraft, or having an aircraft inspected should have this AC. I have downloaded this AC from the FAA web site and have it in my computer in pdf format. Anyone desiring a copy may email me direct and I will respond with an email with the pdf file attached. You can then down load the file and, with Adobe reader software, read or print the file or selected portions of it. The Adobe reader software may be downloaded free from the Adobe web site if you don't already have a copy in your computer. 'OC' Baker, Builder of KIS TR-1 #116 4/14/97 - 11/17/03 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:41 PM PST US From: BAKEROCB@aol.com Subject: AeroElectric-List: Panel Lighting Options --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: BAKEROCB@aol.com AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: "John Wiegenstein" <<.......skip.......... Any other options that people are using with good results? John Wiegenstein >> 1/19/2004 Hello John, I went with internally lighted instruments. Very nice lighting, very expensive, and not easy to change bulbs. If I had it to do over again I'd take a very close look at Nulites. See <> 'OC' Baker, Builder of KIS TR-1 #116 4/14/97 - 11/17/03 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:36 PM PST US From: "David Carter" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: RV-List: Dynon --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Carter" Maybe you could post this noise problem on Bob Nuckoll's Aeroelectric e-mail list - he could suggest an approach to finding and eliminating the noise. He just needs as much info as you have to know what to advise. The address is in the "To" field above. David Carter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" Subject: RE: RV-List: Dynon > --> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)" > > It was a problem with white noise, sometime called broad band noise by > engineers), also called EMI, breaking squelch on the com. Many many > days spent trying different things to make it go away. Dynon is aware of > the problem and offers only the standard solutions. You know, shield, > protect, rewire, etc. Ultimately I was unable to find a satisfactory > solution and pulled the unit(external mag compass) out. It does provide > an accurate heading, but the EMI is unacceptable. > > See archived message number 116261 for details on my EMI problem. I know > of 6 others personally, that is people I know and fly with, who also > experienced this problem, and about 10 more through emails around the > country, that also experienced this problem and hoped I could find a > solution. Some have been able to get the problem under control, although > I know of none personally have have been able to make it go away > completelynot. Others, as in my case, have only been able to make it go > from really really bad, to bad. > > Anyway, that's why I say the external mag "sucks" > Mike > Do not archive. > > Oh and PS, Doug at Dynon did call me this morning after reading my post > to ask that I do some data logging as they have seen this problem, the > tilting problem that is, before. I will be happy to do this as long as I > can reproduce the problem reliably. So far I have only the first > repeated occurrence in light to moderate chop with the occasional head > canopy smashing. Ill have to keep flying to find out how to reproduce > the problem. Poor me. > > Also Doug said, to his credit, that one occurrence (which I already knew > cause I fly with this guy every week), showed upwards of a 45 degree > roll on level wings. These are isolated incidences for sure. But I know > of several myself, and I am just one guy. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wheeler North > To: 'rv-list@matronics.com' > Subject: RV-List: Dynon > > --> RV-List message posted by: Wheeler North > > Mike, why do you say the external mag on the dynon sucks? > > It took a little fiddling to get it installed accurately, but mine is > now as > accurate as my SIRS compass. > > W > > do not archive > > > == > == > == > == > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:36 PM PST US From: TSaccio@aol.com Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA AC 20-27F.pdf --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: TSaccio@aol.com Please send me a copy of the Advisory Circular. Thanks, Tom Saccio ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:52 PM PST US From: Dj Merrill Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA AC 20-27F.pdf --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 BAKEROCB@aol.com wrote: > I have downloaded this AC from the FAA web site and have it in my computer in > pdf format. Anyone desiring a copy may email me direct and I will respond Hi, Any chance you might be able to post the FAA web site link where you downloaded this? Thanks! -Dj -- Dj Merrill Thayer School of Engineering ThUG Sr. Unix Systems Administrator 8000 Cummings Hall deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu - N1JOV Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH 03755 "On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section, it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux." -Anonymous ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:08 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: FAA AC 20-27F.pdf --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" Every AC you ever wanted. http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCirc ular.nsf Bruce www.glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FAA AC 20-27F.pdf --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 BAKEROCB@aol.com wrote: > I have downloaded this AC from the FAA web site and have it in my computer in > pdf format. Anyone desiring a copy may email me direct and I will respond Hi, Any chance you might be able to post the FAA web site link where you downloaded this? Thanks! -Dj -- Dj Merrill Thayer School of Engineering ThUG Sr. Unix Systems Administrator 8000 Cummings Hall deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu - N1JOV Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH 03755 "On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section, it said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux." -Anonymous == == == ==