---------------------------------------------------------- AeroElectric-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/28/04: 41 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:11 AM - Fw: RV-7 wing tip COM antenna installation (Dan Checkoway) 2. 02:03 AM - Rochester cht sender. (jakent@unison.ie) 3. 04:21 AM - Re: Re: Shielded sensor wires (Trampas) 4. 05:54 AM - Re: Lighted Toggle Switches (Charlie Kuss) 5. 06:06 AM - Re: Rochester cht sender. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 6. 06:09 AM - Re: Fw: RV-7 wing tip COM antenna (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 7. 06:47 AM - Re: Shielded sensor wires (George Braly) 8. 07:29 AM - Re: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks (Jerzy Krasinski) 9. 07:30 AM - Re: Alternator - Thermocouples (Wallace Enga) 10. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK LED toggle switches (John Schroeder) 11. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: NKK LED toggle switches (Lyle Peterson) 12. 08:00 AM - Re: Rochester cht sender. (Lyle Peterson) 13. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches (John Schroeder) 14. 08:22 AM - Re: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks (Letempt, Jeffrey CW4) 15. 08:34 AM - Re: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks (Bob Bittner) 16. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: NKK LED toggle switches (Charlie Kuss) 17. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK LED toggle (flmike) 18. 08:51 AM - Re: Shielded sensor wires (John Schroeder) 19. 09:08 AM - Re: Wiring PTT button (Kent Ashton) 20. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK LED (Charlie Kuss) 21. 09:15 AM - Re: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks (Richard Tasker) 22. 09:16 AM - Re: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks (John Schroeder) 23. 09:16 AM - Re: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks (Richard Tasker) 24. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK (Charlie Kuss) 25. 09:24 AM - GNC-300XL (Vincent Welch) 26. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches (Dave Morris) 27. 09:58 AM - Re: GNC-300XL (Ageless Wings) 28. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK LED toggle (flmike) 29. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK LED toggle switches (John Schroeder) 30. 10:41 AM - Starter Engaged Light (John Schroeder) 31. 11:28 AM - Re: GNC-300XL (Vincent Welch) 32. 12:15 PM - Fw: RV-7 wing tip COM antenna installation (Dan Checkoway) 33. 12:41 PM - Re: GNC-300XL ('Scott Richardson') 34. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches (John Schroeder) 35. 01:11 PM - Co ax antenna snap rings (kempthornes) 36. 04:45 PM - Guarded Switches (David Schaefer) 37. 05:29 PM - Re: Re: NKK LED toggle switches (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 38. 05:32 PM - Re: Rochester cht sender. (Robert L. Nuckolls, III) 39. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches now Panels (Dave Morris) 40. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK (Charlie Kuss) 41. 08:35 PM - Fast on's to make Terminal Blocks (Don Boardman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:46 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Fw: RV-7 wing tip COM antenna installation --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" I just sent this message to Bob Archer, but I figure I should fwd it to the aeroelectric-list to see what the community feedback is... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: RV-7 wing tip COM antenna installation Bob, I purchased wing tip VOR & COM antennas from you last year, and I'm finally getting around to installing them. The VOR antenna installation is a no-brainer thanks to your instructions. The COM antenna, however, is a little trickier due to the shape of the RV-7 wing tips (sheared, with built-in lighting provision). Here is a web page with photos to illustrate my issues: http://www.rvproject.com/archer.html 1) Can the antenna be somewhat tightly arched and still perform well? Bending it in an arch would improve its vertical profile, if that's acceptable. 2) Can the antenna be grounded with a wire instead of directly contacting the airframe? I'd like to mount it a few inches outboard from the wing tip opening, and I assume I would need to use a ground jumper wire? 3) Do the strobe/position wires absolutely need to route along the antenna's leading edge even if they otherwise would not CROSS the antenna? Mine can run several inches ahead of the antenna, not crossing it. Please let me know if you need more photos or explanation of my issues. Thanks very much! )_( Dan RV-7 N714D http://www.rvproject.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:00 AM PST US From: jakent@unison.ie Subject: AeroElectric-List: Rochester cht sender. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jakent@unison.ie Bob & all, I have a Rochester gauge cluster out of a Robinson R-22 that is going in my RV-4. I have no matching cht sender. I will be using an engine monitor with bayonet senders, but want the Rochester as a back-up with a spark plug ring type sender. Does any-one know whether I will need a J-type or K-type, or other kind of thermocouple sender ? Thanks ... John Kent. (RV-4#3254, Ireland). ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:18 AM PST US From: "Trampas" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Shielded sensor wires --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Trampas" Terry, The thermocouple wire can be connected with crimped butt splices. However note that in my opinion, which should be taken with a grain of salt, soldering and heat shrink makes better connections. Regards, Trampas Stern -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Watson Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Shielded sensor wires --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" Bob, Trampas, Clay Thanks for your responses to my questions about thermocouple and other sensor wiring. I ordered 25' of 20 ga stranded thermocouple wire from Omega.com this morning and this is what I will use to extend the wires from the EGT thermocouples on to the EFIS 37 pin connector. Just one last (I hope!) question: As I mentioned before, red and yellow marked solid wires off the sensor are terminated with male and female spade connectors, as are the solid extension wires that I have and have decided not to use. What is an acceptable splice between the solid wires off the sensor and the new multi-strand wire that I have on order? The spade connectors add a lot of bulk to the whole bunch of wires. They are crimped, not soldered. Can I replace them with crimped butt splices? Or do I need to go the silver solder route as you describe in your book, Bob? Also, Greg told me that the technician who told me that the thermocouple wire only has to go through the firewall doesn't work for Blue Mountain anymore. Thanks, Terry RV-8a BMA EFIS/one ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:55 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches Fernandez , "Fabian Lefler": ; <6.0.1.1.2.20040128070257.0277e008@127.0.0.1> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Mickey, I've been pondering that question myself. Perhaps those interested could discuss this. With night flying in mind, would you prefer to have the tip of the bat handle lighted or dark when the switch is off? These switches can display 2 or even 3 (for double throw models) different colors to show the position of the switch in a darkened cockpit. You could have the switches illuminate only when the circuit is energized OR you could use some sort of color standard to identify when the switch is off or on. As an example a simple 1-2 (on/off) switch could be lit as follows: OFF red ON green For a 3 position switch (say a taxi/landing light switch) you could do the following: OFF red TAXI green LANDING/TAXI blue This would allow you to know the condition of any switched circuit merely by the identifying color. You could leave the switches illuminated at all times (these are LEDs, so should last a LONG time). You could also control them through a lighting circuit, so that they would illuminate only during night flight. Any alternate ideas will be appreciated. One thing I should point out to anyone interested. The base of these switches is wider than a standard toggle switch. If your panel or console real estate for switches is severely limited, these may not be the best choice, as they can not be spaced as closely together. Personally, I prefer to space switches a bit farther apart than the absolute minimum. I have big hands and prefer a wider spacing to prevent possible activation of 2 switches when I only intend to hit one. This is even more important if you are trying to activate a switch in turbulence. For those interested, I can email a list of switches I'm considering using for my 8A project. This might give you an starting point for the items you would want for your project. Charlie >Charlie, > >These look totally cool. I have not given this a lot of >thought, but how would you used the colors in your airplane? >I can see a lot of possibilities that could reduce workload >and increase safety. > >Thanks, >Mickey > > >>http://www.carlingtech.com/pdf/s_lt.pdf >> >>Carling is the manufacturer of the switches sold by B&C Specialties. The LT series comes available with 5 different lighting colors and comes in a wide variety of switch styles. They have switches rated up to 15 amps as well. They are also available with 1/4" fast on terminals (as recommended by -- > >Mickey Coggins >http://www.rv8.ch/ >#82007 Wings ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:47 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Rochester cht sender. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 09:56 AM 1/28/2004 +0000, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jakent@unison.ie > >Bob & all, I have a Rochester gauge cluster out of a Robinson R-22 that is >going in my RV-4. I have no matching cht sender. I will be using an engine >monitor with bayonet senders, but want the Rochester as a back-up with a >spark plug ring type sender. Does any-one know whether I will need a >J-type or K-type, or other kind of thermocouple sender ? >Thanks ... John Kent. (RV-4#3254, Ireland). I've never seen a Rochester CHT that used thermocouples. They MAY exist but the only one's I've seen were resistive sensor elements that operate quite differently than the thermocouple you propose to use. Have you mounted this cluster yet? Compared to today's technology, adding that instrument to your airplane is like hanging a carbine lamp on the fender of your car. I'm wondering about your concerns for "backup" on engine gages. Likelihood of really NEEDING any information that cluster presents is predicated on failure of your electronic monitor. The only time you would need backup is if there has been a SECOND failure in the time frame of when the electronic system craps until you can make comfortable arrival. Probability of this is VERY low . . . like on the order of one occurrence per 100,000 flight hours. I'll suggest trashing that gage cluster. If you really, Really, REALLY gotta have it. Then the 100% successful way to incorporate it is to find out what Rochester part goes in the cylinder head and acquiring it. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:49 AM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" installation Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Fw: RV-7 wing tip COM antenna installation --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" installation At 12:10 AM 1/28/2004 -0800, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" > >I just sent this message to Bob Archer, but I figure I should fwd it to the >aeroelectric-list to see what the community feedback is... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Checkoway" >To: "Bob Archer" >Subject: RV-7 wing tip COM antenna installation > >Bob, > >I purchased wing tip VOR & COM antennas from you last year, and I'm finally >getting around to installing them. The VOR antenna installation is a >no-brainer thanks to your instructions. The COM antenna, however, is a >little trickier due to the shape of the RV-7 wing tips (sheared, with >built-in lighting provision). > >Here is a web page with photos to illustrate my issues: > >http://www.rvproject.com/archer.html > >1) Can the antenna be somewhat tightly arched and still perform well? >Bending it in an arch would improve its vertical profile, if that's >acceptable. yes >2) Can the antenna be grounded with a wire instead of directly contacting >the airframe? I'd like to mount it a few inches outboard from the wing tip >opening, and I assume I would need to use a ground jumper wire? This has the risk of greatly altering performance. Attach as recommended by manufacturer. That "ground" is part of the antenna's tuning. Any changes, PARTICULARLY in grounding will upset the matching section that most strongly affects SWR. >3) Do the strobe/position wires absolutely need to route along the antenna's >leading edge even if they otherwise would not CROSS the antenna? Mine can >run several inches ahead of the antenna, not crossing it. fine >Please let me know if you need more photos or explanation of my issues. >Thanks very much! It will be interesting to see what Mr. Archer has to say. 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They have 45 deg and 90 deg single, ~$7 per 100, cat # 839-3297, and # 839-3300. Also, they have 45 and 90 deg dual terminals $8-$10 per 100,. cat # 839-3306, and many others. Jerzy >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Don Boardman >> >>Hi All............. >> >> >>1. A short strip of male quick connect fast on's to go on the engine side of >>the firewall to complement the 24 terminal ground block from B & C. >>Another 24 block is $26 a little steep for just a few engine side grounds. >>I have done a bunch of Google searches and found a manufacturer but no >>retail. >>Any Leads? >> >> > > Those are hard to come by in small quantities. We've > spent a lot of time getting those strips in 10,000 > part reels. This was one of the big drivers for bringing > that product to the marketplace. Occasionally, I've > run across dual fast-on males that attach with a screw. > These could be pop-riveted to a piece of brass and then > soldered. > > I suspect the total $time$ spent may exceed the cost > of another block from B&C . . . > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:31 AM PST US From: Wallace Enga Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alternator - Thermocouples --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Wallace Enga > > >By the 3rd start, I noticed that when I turned the alt >field on, the voltage no longer went up to 13.5, but >stayed right at 12v. However, the EGTs did continue >to jump when the alt switch was on, but were steady >with it off. (what is the significance of this?) > >Does anyone know where this is going yet? > >I took the alternator off the plane, and took it to an >auto parts store to be checked. They said it failed >the tests. > >(I wish I would have run the tests mentioned in the >connection first, but didn't have it with me at the >time) > >After talking to Vans, they said I probably blew the >voltage regulator by switching off the field that >disconnected the B-lead at the contactor. Switching >off field after it has started doesn't stop the >alternator because it gets field power from the >B-lead. They said they've been seeing this a lot >lately on alternators wired per z-24. > >Would it be an accurate statement to say that: >"Turning off the alt field after it has been turned on >for an internally regulated alternator wired as >depicted in Z-24 is a death sentence for the >alternator. An overvolt condition will also open the >contactor and finish off the alternator for good." > >If so, this might be a handy piece of information to >add to that diagram because it would have saved me >some trouble. > > >Thanks, >Clay > > >__________________________________ I haven't seen any reply or further info on Clay's Alternator problem. I am very interested, as I am using the same overvoltage protection method on a Nippondenso Alternator with a built in internal voltage regulator. Why would "opening up the alternators output" with it running, blow the voltage regulator? Bob, anyone? Thanks, Wally ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK LED toggle switches From: John Schroeder --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder Charlie - We would be interested in a half dozen of the 2-10's and another half dozen 1-3's. Any idea as to the cost? I assume that each color combination would be a separate order for the minimum of 10; as would be a ring vs. push-on terminal and toggle styles. Might get kinda messy to accomodate too many choices. BTW, which "circuit" as listed in the catalog PDF file is the 2-10? As a preference we would like: 6x 2-10's, .25 tab (QC), clear paddle, red-clear-green, 12 volt. The hardest to reconcile may be the toggle style and the lighting sequence. Another downside may be the current draw of the light. If it is an LED, no problem. Cheers, John Schroeder > http://www.carlingtech.com/pdf/s_lt.pdf > I've checked with my local distributor. He can get any of these > switches, but there is a 10 unit minimum for EACH part number ordered. I > believe there is also a quantity price break available. I was wondering > if anyone would be interested in getting together a group purchase of > these? I could co-ordinate the purchase. We would probably need at least > 8 builders to be able to meet the minimum for the 2-10 style > (master/alternator) switches. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:21 AM PST US From: "Lyle Peterson" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: NKK LED toggle switches --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" Kevin, I am puzzled. What kind of switch are you referring to as 'progressive on toggle'? I have never heard that used with regard to switches. Lyle -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kkinney@fuse.net Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: NKK LED toggle switches --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: I've got a few of the NKK LED toggle switches. I specifically asked for a progressive on toggle and they simply don't make them. Darn. I don't have the switches with me at the moment, but I believe you have to power them with 5v. Not a problem if you're running PLC's on your ship, but who wants to set up a separate power bus just for switches? (OK, maybe *me* since they look so cool...) If you want photos of these switches, let me know. Regards, Kevin Kinney == == == == ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:21 AM PST US From: "Lyle Peterson" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Rochester cht sender. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" Bob, I haven't posted anything here. Just been lurking and learning. I had to comment on the "carbine" lamp. I think those were "carbide" lamps. They generated acetylene to burn for light. Is my foggy recollection right? Lyle Peterson Have you mounted this cluster yet? Compared to today's technology, adding that instrument to your airplane is like hanging a carbine lamp on the fender of your car. I'm wondering about your concerns for "backup" on engine gages. Likelihood of really NEEDING any ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches From: John Schroeder --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder Mickey - I don't believe any workload is reduced by using lighted switches.:-)) IMHO, they are just plain sexy. Do not archive Cheers, John On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 07:10:13 +0100, Mickey Coggins wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > > > Charlie, > > These look totally cool. I have not given this a lot of > thought, but how would you used the colors in your airplane? > I can see a lot of possibilities that could reduce workload > and increase safety. > > Thanks, > Mickey > > >> http://www.carlingtech.com/pdf/s_lt.pdf >> >> Carling is the manufacturer of the switches sold by B&C Specialties. >> The LT series comes available with 5 different lighting colors and >> comes in a wide variety of switch styles. They have switches rated up >> to 15 amps as well. They are also available with 1/4" fast on terminals >> (as recommended by -- > > Mickey Coggins > http://www.rv8.ch/ > #82007 Wings > > -- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:02 AM PST US From: "Letempt, Jeffrey CW4" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Letempt, Jeffrey CW4" Jerry, Thanks for the information. I really like the multiple unit that has 10 fast on tabs Allied Stock #: 839-3310. Unfortunately I do not need 100 of these babies, maybe 4 or 5 of them would do the trick. Anyone interested in a group purchase? Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Jerzy Krasinski [mailto:krasinski@direcway.com] To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20030624.Netscape/7.1.HTML_TITLE_E MPTY Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jerzy Krasinski Allied Electronics (800) 433 5700, www.alliedelec.com has these terminals and they sell them in quantities of 100. They have 45 deg and 90 deg single, ~$7 per 100, cat # 839-3297, and # 839-3300. Also, they have 45 and 90 deg dual terminals $8-$10 per 100,. cat # 839-3306, and many others. Jerzy >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Don Boardman >> >>Hi All............. >> >> >>1. A short strip of male quick connect fast on's to go on the engine side of >>the firewall to complement the 24 terminal ground block from B & C. >>Another 24 block is $26 a little steep for just a few engine side grounds. >>I have done a bunch of Google searches and found a manufacturer but no >>retail. >>Any Leads? >> >> > > Those are hard to come by in small quantities. We've > spent a lot of time getting those strips in 10,000 > part reels. This was one of the big drivers for bringing > that product to the marketplace. Occasionally, I've > run across dual fast-on males that attach with a screw. > These could be pop-riveted to a piece of brass and then > soldered. > > I suspect the total $time$ spent may exceed the cost > of another block from B&C . . . > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks From: Bob Bittner 01/28/2004 10:33:19 AM, Serialize complete at 01/28/2004 10:33:19 AM --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bob Bittner I bought a bag of 100 dual-tab fast-ons for something like $6 from mouser. I bought some brass from the HW store for $2 and solder paste for another few $, Assemble with solder paste, hit the bottom with a torch, and it's done. Worked pretty well for me, I got just the sizes I wanted (a few extra, of course!) and I used half of the above costs. Good Luck Bob B ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:10 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: NKK LED toggle switches --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss Lyle, I believe that Kevin was referring to a double throw switch. Charlie Kuss >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" > >Kevin, > >I am puzzled. What kind of switch are you referring to as 'progressive >on toggle'? I have never heard that used with regard to switches. > >Lyle > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >kkinney@fuse.net >To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: NKK LED toggle switches > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > > >I've got a few of the NKK LED toggle switches. I specifically asked for >a progressive on toggle and they simply don't make them. Darn. > >I don't have the switches with me at the moment, but I believe you have >to power them with 5v. Not a problem if you're running PLC's on your >ship, but who wants to set up a separate power bus just for switches? >(OK, maybe *me* since they look so cool...) > >If you want photos of these switches, let me know. > >Regards, >Kevin Kinney > > >== >== >== >== > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:43 AM PST US From: flmike Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK LED toggle --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: flmike I'd get a sample of the Carlingswitch LT switch before commiting to using them. Although in general I like Carlingswitch stuff, I wouldn't use this switch in my plane. It has a plastic body, plastic bushing, and plastic handle. Some guys in our lab have used them for power switches on test boxes, etc. and the handle has broken off of a few. In my opinion that would be a real bad thing to have happen in a plane. Bent I can live with, but not broken off at the base. Mike __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Shielded sensor wires From: John Schroeder --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder George - Your last two postings to this site have been one long strin of characters and numbers. Your's are the only ones that have ever come in like that to my computer. Do not archive Cheers, ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Wiring PTT button From: Kent Ashton --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kent Ashton Bob, these are great explanations and very helpful. You should get some kind of special acknowledgement for your work supporting homebuilders. --Kent A. > From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" > center conductor to one terminal, shield to other > terminal. See > http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/pigtail/pigtail.html ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:37 AM PST US James Streit From: Charlie Kuss toggle switches Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK LED toggle switches --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss toggle switches Hi John, You are correct. According to the chart, the 2-10 (On-On-On) is not shown. The folks at Carling are willing to tool up for requests however. I'll have to check on minimum quantities for something of that nature. The price I was quoted for the 10 unit minimum of either 1-2 or 1-3 switches was about $9 (I checked several months ago) I'll contact the distributor again once I have a better feel for what folks are interested in. I realized at the beginning that there are so many variables it could get "sticky" as you say. That's why I asked for a discussion; to try to form a consensus. I am leaning more toward the bat (aka Snapkap in the Carling Catalog) style handles as I feel that they would be more durable. Past experience with plastic paddles has not been that they can be somewhat fragile. The clear paddle handles will glow more brightly, as the entire paddle will light up. The bat handles only glow on the tip, as the LED (yes, they are LEDs) is mounted there. The paddles are perhaps nicer cosmetically. I think the bat handles (available in satin chrome, bright chrome & black) would be sturdier. I also feel that the paddle levers may emit to much light and be a distraction at night. This isn't a deal breaker issue for me. I could live with paddle levers if that is what most people want. I think all of us will want 12 volt models. Your choice of colors seems to be the most logical of the choices available for a master/alternator switch. The part number should look like this then: LT-25(digit to be determined for 2-10)1-13-12 This breaks down as a double pole (2) 15 amp (5) 2-10 style switch (TBD) clear paddle (1) red-clear-green (13) 12 volt (12) See below for explanation of the part numbering system http://www.carlingtech.com/pdf/s_lt.pdf I'll email Carling regarding making the 2-10 stye switches. Charlie >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder > >Charlie - > >We would be interested in a half dozen of the 2-10's and another half >dozen 1-3's. Any idea as to the cost? > >I assume that each color combination would be a separate order for the >minimum of 10; as would be a ring vs. push-on terminal and toggle styles. >Might get kinda messy to accomodate too many choices. > >BTW, which "circuit" as listed in the catalog PDF file is the 2-10? > >As a preference we would like: 6x 2-10's, .25 tab (QC), clear paddle, >red-clear-green, 12 volt. > >The hardest to reconcile may be the toggle style and the lighting >sequence. Another downside may be the current draw of the light. If it is >an LED, no problem. > >Cheers, > >John Schroeder > >> http://www.carlingtech.com/pdf/s_lt.pdf > >> I've checked with my local distributor. He can get any of these >> switches, but there is a 10 unit minimum for EACH part number ordered. I >> believe there is also a quantity price break available. I was wondering >> if anyone would be interested in getting together a group purchase of >> these? I could co-ordinate the purchase. We would probably need at least >> 8 builders to be able to meet the minimum for the 2-10 style >> (master/alternator) switches. > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:25 AM PST US From: Richard Tasker Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Tasker These parts are made by Keystone Electronics (http://www.keyelco.com/) and are sold by both Digikey (http://www.digikey.com) and Mouser Electronics (http://www.mouser.com) both of whose prices are lower than Allied. Mouser has no minimum order. Digikey has a $25 minimum order. Dick Tasker, RV9A #90573 Jerzy Krasinski wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jerzy Krasinski > > >Allied Electronics (800) 433 5700, www.alliedelec.com has these >terminals and they sell them in quantities of 100. >They have 45 deg and 90 deg single, ~$7 per 100, cat # 839-3297, and # >839-3300. >Also, they have 45 and 90 deg dual terminals $8-$10 per 100,. cat # >839-3306, and many others. >Jerzy > > > >>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Don Boardman >>> >>>Hi All............. >>> >>> >>>1. A short strip of male quick connect fast on's to go on the engine side of >>>the firewall to complement the 24 terminal ground block from B & C. >>>Another 24 block is $26 a little steep for just a few engine side grounds. >>>I have done a bunch of Google searches and found a manufacturer but no >>>retail. >>>Any Leads? >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Those are hard to come by in small quantities. We've >> spent a lot of time getting those strips in 10,000 >> part reels. This was one of the big drivers for bringing >> that product to the marketplace. Occasionally, I've >> run across dual fast-on males that attach with a screw. >> These could be pop-riveted to a piece of brass and then >> soldered. >> >> I suspect the total $time$ spent may exceed the cost >> of another block from B&C . . . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks From: John Schroeder --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder Jerry - No, but I can trade you some 5/16" brass nuts and copper lock washers. We had to buy a box of each. You can buy single studs from McMaster-Carr, but not the nuts and washers!!! Cheers, John On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:21:45 -0600, Letempt, Jeffrey CW4 wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Letempt, Jeffrey CW4" > > > Jerry, > > Thanks for the information. I really like the multiple unit that has 10 > fast on tabs Allied Stock #: 839-3310. Unfortunately I do not need 100 > of > these babies, maybe 4 or 5 of them would do the trick. Anyone > interested in > a group purchase? > > Jeff > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerzy Krasinski [mailto:krasinski@direcway.com] > To: > aeroelectric-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20030624.Netscape/7.1.HTML_TITLE_E > MPTY > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jerzy Krasinski > > > > Allied Electronics (800) 433 5700, www.alliedelec.com has these > terminals and they sell them in quantities of 100. > They have 45 deg and 90 deg single, ~$7 per 100, cat # 839-3297, and # > 839-3300. > Also, they have 45 and 90 deg dual terminals $8-$10 per 100,. cat # > 839-3306, and many others. > Jerzy > >>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Don Boardman > >>> >>> Hi All............. >>> >>> >>> 1. A short strip of male quick connect fast on's to go on the engine >>> side > of >>> the firewall to complement the 24 terminal ground block from B & C. >>> Another 24 block is $26 a little steep for just a few engine side >>> grounds. >>> I have done a bunch of Google searches and found a manufacturer but no >>> retail. >>> Any Leads? >>> >>> >> >> Those are hard to come by in small quantities. We've >> spent a lot of time getting those strips in 10,000 >> part reels. This was one of the big drivers for bringing >> that product to the marketplace. Occasionally, I've >> run across dual fast-on males that attach with a screw. >> These could be pop-riveted to a piece of brass and then >> soldered. >> >> I suspect the total $time$ spent may exceed the cost >> of another block from B&C . . . >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:42 AM PST US From: Richard Tasker Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Tasker I would be interested in some of them. But see my other email regarding other sources. Dick Tasker Letempt, Jeffrey CW4 wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Letempt, Jeffrey CW4" > >Jerry, > >Thanks for the information. I really like the multiple unit that has 10 >fast on tabs Allied Stock #: 839-3310. Unfortunately I do not need 100 of >these babies, maybe 4 or 5 of them would do the trick. Anyone interested in >a group purchase? > >Jeff > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jerzy Krasinski [mailto:krasinski@direcway.com] >To: >aeroelectric-list@matronics.com.Gecko/20030624.Netscape/7.1.HTML_TITLE_E >MPTY >Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Searching-Fast on's / Terminal Blocks > > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jerzy Krasinski > > > >Allied Electronics (800) 433 5700, www.alliedelec.com has these >terminals and they sell them in quantities of 100. >They have 45 deg and 90 deg single, ~$7 per 100, cat # 839-3297, and # >839-3300. >Also, they have 45 and 90 deg dual terminals $8-$10 per 100,. cat # >839-3306, and many others. >Jerzy > > > >>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Don Boardman >>> >>> > > > >>>Hi All............. >>> >>> >>>1. A short strip of male quick connect fast on's to go on the engine side >>> >>> >of > > >>>the firewall to complement the 24 terminal ground block from B & C. >>>Another 24 block is $26 a little steep for just a few engine side grounds. >>>I have done a bunch of Google searches and found a manufacturer but no >>>retail. >>>Any Leads? >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Those are hard to come by in small quantities. We've >> spent a lot of time getting those strips in 10,000 >> part reels. This was one of the big drivers for bringing >> that product to the marketplace. Occasionally, I've >> run across dual fast-on males that attach with a screw. >> These could be pop-riveted to a piece of brass and then >> soldered. >> >> I suspect the total $time$ spent may exceed the cost >> of another block from B&C . . . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:06 AM PST US From: Charlie Kuss LED toggle Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK LED toggle --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss LED toggle Mike Thanks for the real world info. Could you find out if the switches they used were paddle or bat style levers? I've had problems with paddle style switches myself. I can get a sample at the local Boat Owners Warehouse near me. They market these same Carling Switches. They are re boxed under another name by a marine electrical parts vendor. I'll get one this afternoon. Charlie Charlie Kuss >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: flmike > >I'd get a sample of the Carlingswitch LT switch before >commiting to using them. Although in general I like >Carlingswitch stuff, I wouldn't use this switch in my >plane. It has a plastic body, plastic bushing, and >plastic handle. Some guys in our lab have used them >for power switches on test boxes, etc. and the handle >has broken off of a few. In my opinion that would be >a real bad thing to have happen in a plane. Bent I >can live with, but not broken off at the base. > >Mike > >__________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:15 AM PST US From: "Vincent Welch" Subject: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" Does anyone know where I can get an installation manual for a GNC-300XL? I have checked Garmin's web site but they only list a user's manual for the 300XL. The web site has an installation manual for the 250XL. I need to make up a harness and I don't know if the pin outs are the same. The user's manual does not list pin outs. Vince Welch ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:19 AM PST US From: Dave Morris Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave Morris Another option if you guys are looking for the ultimate in "cool" is to forget about lighted switches and go for a backlit switch panel, professionally manufactured from your drawings by a company that does flight simulator cockpits. Check out the stuff you can get at www.AircraftSimulators.com I just had 2 switch panels made up that you can see at http://www.myglasscockpit.com/SwitchPanelLeft.jpg and http://www.myglasscockpit.com/SwitchPanelCenter.jpg They can either supply the switches or supply the bare acrylic panel and you provide your own switches. Dave Morris At 07:10 AM 1/28/2004 +0100, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > > >Charlie, > >These look totally cool. I have not given this a lot of >thought, but how would you used the colors in your airplane? >I can see a lot of possibilities that could reduce workload >and increase safety. > >Thanks, >Mickey > > > >http://www.carlingtech.com/pdf/s_lt.pdf > > > >Carling is the manufacturer of the switches sold by B&C Specialties. The > LT series comes available with 5 different lighting colors and comes in a > wide variety of switch styles. They have switches rated up to 15 amps as > well. They are also available with 1/4" fast on terminals (as recommended by -- > >Mickey Coggins >http://www.rv8.ch/ >#82007 Wings > > Dave Morris ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:28 AM PST US From: "Ageless Wings" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ageless Wings" Vince... I went to Yahoo, typed in the model number and "installation manual" and this was the first page that came up: http://www.mcico.com/pdf/7019813%20MD41-144X.pdf Pages 5 and 6 appear to be the pinout. Harley Long EZ N28EZ... in the hanger, getting sanded and primed! Harley Dixon Website: www.AgelessWings.com Email: harley@agelesswings.com Henrietta, NY USA |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com |[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of |Vincent Welch |Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:24 PM |To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com |Subject: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL | | |--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" | | |Does anyone know where I can get an installation manual for a |GNC-300XL? I |have checked Garmin's web site but they only list a user's manual for the |300XL. The web site has an installation manual for the 250XL. I need to |make up a harness and I don't know if the pin outs are the same. |The user's |manual does not list pin outs. | |Vince Welch | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:18 AM PST US From: flmike Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK LED toggle --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: flmike The broken ones were paddle style, but I believe both styles are translucent plastic (light pipes). I think there is a metal sleeve option for the bat style, but it is just a sleeve (I think). Mike __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK LED toggle switches From: John Schroeder --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder Hi Charley - After reading the critique on the plastic paddle switches, I'd definiitely prefer the bat snap kap handles - color "mox nix". Thanks for taking the effort to work this issue. Cheers, John On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:03:55 -0500, Charlie Kuss wrote: > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > toggle switches > > Hi John, > You are correct. According to the chart, the 2-10 (On-On-On) is not > shown. The folks at Carling are willing to tool up for requests however. > I'll have to check on minimum quantities for something of that nature. > The price I was quoted for the 10 unit minimum of either 1-2 or 1-3 > switches was about $9 (I checked several months ago) I'll contact the > distributor again once I have a better feel for what folks are > interested in. > I realized at the beginning that there are so many variables it could > get "sticky" as you say. That's why I asked for a discussion; to try to > form a consensus. > I am leaning more toward the bat (aka Snapkap in the Carling Catalog) > style handles as I feel that they would be more durable. Past experience > with plastic paddles has not been that they can be somewhat fragile. > The clear paddle handles will glow more brightly, as the entire paddle > will light up. The bat handles only glow on the tip, as the LED (yes, > they are LEDs) is mounted there. The paddles are perhaps nicer > cosmetically. I think the bat handles (available in satin chrome, bright > chrome & black) would be sturdier. I also feel that the paddle levers > may emit to much light and be a distraction at night. > This isn't a deal breaker issue for me. I could live with paddle levers > if that is what most people want. > I think all of us will want 12 volt models. Your choice of colors seems > to be the most logical of the choices available for a master/alternator > switch. The part number should look like this then: > > LT-25(digit to be determined for 2-10)1-13-12 > > This breaks down as a double pole (2) 15 amp (5) 2-10 style switch (TBD) > clear paddle (1) red-clear-green (13) 12 volt (12) > > See below for explanation of the part numbering system > http://www.carlingtech.com/pdf/s_lt.pdf > > I'll email Carling regarding making the 2-10 stye switches. > > Charlie > > >> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder >> >> >> Charlie - >> >> We would be interested in a half dozen of the 2-10's and another half >> dozen 1-3's. Any idea as to the cost? >> >> I assume that each color combination would be a separate order for the >> minimum of 10; as would be a ring vs. push-on terminal and toggle >> styles. >> Might get kinda messy to accomodate too many choices. >> >> BTW, which "circuit" as listed in the catalog PDF file is the 2-10? >> >> As a preference we would like: 6x 2-10's, .25 tab (QC), clear paddle, >> red-clear-green, 12 volt. >> >> The hardest to reconcile may be the toggle style and the lighting >> sequence. Another downside may be the current draw of the light. If it >> is >> an LED, no problem. >> >> Cheers, >> >> John Schroeder >> >>> http://www.carlingtech.com/pdf/s_lt.pdf >> >>> I've checked with my local distributor. He can get any of these >>> switches, but there is a 10 unit minimum for EACH part number ordered. >>> I >>> believe there is also a quantity price break available. I was wondering >>> if anyone would be interested in getting together a group purchase of >>> these? I could co-ordinate the purchase. We would probably need at >>> least >>> 8 builders to be able to meet the minimum for the 2-10 style >>> (master/alternator) switches. >> >> > > -- ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:04 AM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Starter Engaged Light From: John Schroeder --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder Bob Nuckolls - On Z-14, where is the best place to take power for a "Starter Engaged" annunciator light? Many Thanks, John Schroeder Lancair ES - Batteries in the rear of the aircraft ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:47 AM PST US From: "Vincent Welch" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" Thanks for the info, BUT, that appears to be the installation manual for the Mid-Continent ACU that is used with the GNC-300XL. Vince >From: "Ageless Wings" >Reply-To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com >To: , >Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:59:18 -0500 > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ageless Wings" > > >Vince... > >I went to Yahoo, typed in the model number and "installation manual" and >this was the first page that came up: > >http://www.mcico.com/pdf/7019813%20MD41-144X.pdf > >Pages 5 and 6 appear to be the pinout. > >Harley > >Long EZ N28EZ... > >in the hanger, getting sanded and primed! > >Harley Dixon > >Website: www.AgelessWings.com > >Email: harley@agelesswings.com > >Henrietta, NY > >USA > > >|-----Original Message----- >|From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com >|[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of >|Vincent Welch >|Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:24 PM >|To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com >|Subject: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL >| >| >|--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" >| >| >|Does anyone know where I can get an installation manual for a >|GNC-300XL? I >|have checked Garmin's web site but they only list a user's manual for the >|300XL. The web site has an installation manual for the 250XL. I need to >|make up a harness and I don't know if the pin outs are the same. >|The user's >|manual does not list pin outs. >| >|Vince Welch >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:33 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Fw: RV-7 wing tip COM antenna installation --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" FYI, here's Bob's response. )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Archer" Subject: Re: RV-7 wing tip COM antenna installation > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Checkoway" > To: "Bob Archer" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:53 PM > Subject: RV-7 wing tip COM antenna installation > > Hi Dan; > > The Com antenna was developed when the Horner type tips were in vogue, where > the bottom surface sweeps up to the upper surface. I still like them better > from my point of view. But we now have to contend with the so called sheared > tips. > > The picture you showed with the antenna sweeping up to the upper surface is > fine. A local fellow put in a sheet of fiber glass angled from the bottom to > the top with the antenna installed on it. He bent the antenna up just next > to the grounding strip. > > The antenna needs to be grounded along the grounding strip, wires are not > good. If you installed a sheet of aluminum between the grounding strip and > the end of the wing for grounding that would suffice. Sandwiching the > antenna between the tip and the glass is the normal way to do it. > > About routing the wires to the lights, I don't know. I know it works well > the way it is shown on the drawing but other than that? I would guess that > it would be ok but I have been fooled before. There are so many different > ways things could be done I haven't been able to test for every possibility. > > Just let me know if you have any further questions. > > Regards > > Bob > > > > Bob, > > > > I purchased wing tip VOR & COM antennas from you last year, and I'm > finally > > getting around to installing them. The VOR antenna installation is a > > no-brainer thanks to your instructions. The COM antenna, however, is a > > little trickier due to the shape of the RV-7 wing tips (sheared, with > > built-in lighting provision). > > > > Here is a web page with photos to illustrate my issues: > > > > http://www.rvproject.com/archer.html > > > > 1) Can the antenna be somewhat tightly arched and still perform well? > > Bending it in an arch would improve its vertical profile, if that's > > acceptable. > > > > 2) Can the antenna be grounded with a wire instead of directly contacting > > the airframe? I'd like to mount it a few inches outboard from the wing > tip > > opening, and I assume I would need to use a ground jumper wire? > > > > 3) Do the strobe/position wires absolutely need to route along the > antenna's > > leading edge even if they otherwise would not CROSS the antenna? Mine can > > run several inches ahead of the antenna, not crossing it. > > > > Please let me know if you need more photos or explanation of my issues. > > Thanks very much! > > > > )_( Dan > > RV-7 N714D > > http://www.rvproject.com > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:43 PM PST US From: "'Scott Richardson'" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "'Scott Richardson'" Vince, I'll send you a copy. I just emailed Garmin Tech Support and asked them for it and they emailed it to me within the hour. Same for the GTX-327 inst manuals. Scott -----Original Message----- From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vincent Welch Subject: AeroElectric-List: GNC-300XL --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Vincent Welch" --> Does anyone know where I can get an installation manual for a GNC-300XL? I have checked Garmin's web site but they only list a user's manual for the 300XL. The web site has an installation manual for the 250XL. I need to make up a harness and I don't know if the pin outs are the same. The user's manual does not list pin outs. Vince Welch == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches From: John Schroeder --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder Hi Dave - Very nice looking panels. Some questions: What do they charge for a panel like one of yours? What do you use for backlighting? If individual lights, what is the spacing and position behind the panels? What kind of sockets for the lights? Many thanks for the information. John Schroeder ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:11 PM PST US From: kempthornes Subject: AeroElectric-List: Co ax antenna snap rings --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: kempthornes Hi, Where can I get one of these? (The about 0.040 inch snap ring that holds antenna cable plug to the rack for radio, txp etc) K. H. (Hal) Kempthorne RV6-a N7HK - Three trips to OSH now. PRB (El Paso de Robles, CA) ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:30 PM PST US From: "David Schaefer" Subject: AeroElectric-List: Guarded Switches --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "David Schaefer" What's a good source for 'guarded switches' of the kind you pull out to be able to turn on (or off)? B&C doesn't carry them. The only ones I can find are Honeywell and they're $40-70 per switch! Regards, David Schaefer RV6-A FADEC Finishing Kit ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:18 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: NKK LED toggle switches --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 11:22 AM 1/28/2004 -0500, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss > >Lyle, > I believe that Kevin was referring to a double throw switch. >Charlie Kuss > > >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" > > > > >Kevin, > > > >I am puzzled. What kind of switch are you referring to as 'progressive > >on toggle'? I have never heard that used with regard to switches. > > Study the schematic symbols used for the -10 on-on-on and -50 on-on-(on) switches in drawings at: http://www.aeroelectric.com/temp/ProgressiveSW.pdf Also see: http://catalog.sensing.honeywell.com/printfriendly.asp?FAM=tr&PN=2NT1-10 and study the circuitry/operating action. When moving from one extreme to the middle position, only one side of the switch transfers. Continued motion in the opposite extreme transfers the second side, hence the term "progressive" transfer. Bob . . . ----------------------------------------- ( Experience and common sense cannot be ) ( replaced with policy and procedures. ) ( R. L. Nuckolls III ) ----------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:35 PM PST US From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Rochester cht sender. --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" At 10:00 AM 1/28/2004 -0600, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" > > >Bob, > >I haven't posted anything here. Just been lurking and learning. I had >to comment on the "carbine" lamp. I think those were "carbide" lamps. >They generated acetylene to burn for light. Is my foggy recollection >right? yup, got my tongue tangled around my eyeteeth and couldn't see what I was typing. Bob . . . ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:03 PM PST US From: Dave Morris Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches now Panels --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave Morris About $75 to $100 per panel, and that's including all switches and pots. Supply your own electrical components and it's considerably cheaper. I'm planning to put some high intensity LEDs 4 or 5 inches behind the panels facing forward. I have not yet decided on how to mount them, but the panels are designed to be backlit, and they should look really sharp with red LEDs illuminating them. Dave At 03:03 PM 1/28/2004, you wrote: >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Schroeder > > >Hi Dave - > >Very nice looking panels. Some questions: > >What do they charge for a panel like one of yours? > >What do you use for backlighting? > >If individual lights, what is the spacing and position behind the panels? > >What kind of sockets for the lights? > >Many thanks for the information. > >John Schroeder > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:18 PM PST US From: Charlie Kuss LED toggle Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Re: Re: Lighted Toggle Switches was NKK LED toggle --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss LED toggle Mike, I stopped by my local BOW (Boat Owners Warehouse) this afternoon. I found several of the Carling Technologies LT (lighted toggle) series switches there (re packaged under different brand names) I paid about $13.50 each for these (compared to $9 at my local Carling Dist.) The Bat handles are definitely sturdier. The bright chrome and brushed chrome models have a metal sleeve on them. It is "just" a sleeve, as you said. One thing I noticed was that these switches are Made in Mexico. I also noticed another brand (Hubbell) which are made in the USA. I just did a quick search of their marine catalog. It appears that the selection is rather limited. I'll try to call both Carling and Hubbell tomorrow, if I have time. I'll try to speak to someone in the tech department. I want to find out what switch styles (electrically) are available. I also want to see if Carling has any LT series switches that are USA made. Externally, the Carling LTs look good. No idea what they are like inside. The ones I bought are rated for 15 amps DC. I'd like to ask the tech folks how many cycles these switches are designed for. (MTBF) Charlie >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: flmike > >The broken ones were paddle style, but I believe both >styles are translucent plastic (light pipes). I think >there is a metal sleeve option for the bat style, but >it is just a sleeve (I think). > >Mike > >__________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:16 PM PST US Subject: AeroElectric-List: Fast on's to make Terminal Blocks From: Don Boardman --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Don Boardman Hi All, Thanks very much for the responses to my Fast-on request. I guess I need to improve my searching skills in the big catalogs! The strips of 5, 90 degree doubles, would be tempting if I was into making larger grounding blocks. I already have a 24 from B&C and I will only need a few grounds on the engine side of the firewall. I am thinking that the single, double male 90's or 45's, would be fine to make up say an 8-10 terminal ground block. Anyone working with the 45's ? I have also been debating how to make connections for situations that typically use the screw type terminal blocks. (Float wiring, etc) WHY NOT USE THE SEPARATE DOUBLE MALE FAST-ON'S RIVETED/FASTENED TO A NONCONDUCTIVE SURFACE TO FABRICATE FAST-ON TERMINAL BLOCKS? This would seem to give the convenience of a terminal block with the desirable connectivity of Fast-ons. Comments ... Don B.