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1. 06:04 AM - Smart Glow Fuse (hausding, sid)
2. 10:43 AM - Keeping flash tubes nice (Lawson, Michael)
3. 10:52 AM - Re: Keeping flash tubes nice (Ralph E. Capen)
4. 11:19 AM - Favorite "switch feel"? (Lawson, Michael)
5. 12:49 PM - Re: Favorite "switch feel"? (Mickey Coggins)
6. 02:04 PM - Re: Favorite "switch feel"? (Eric M. Jones)
7. 02:58 PM - Re: Favorite "switch feel"? (Michel RIAZUELO)
8. 04:21 PM - Whats the name of this stuff? (cecilth@juno.com)
9. 05:15 PM - Re: Whats the name of this stuff? (Eric M. Jones)
10. 06:03 PM - Re: Favorite "switch feel"? (Scott, Ian)
11. 09:29 PM - Re: Re: Favorite "switch feel"? (Dave Morris)
12. 10:01 PM - Re: Re: Favorite "switch feel"? (Jerzy Krasinski)
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Could you send the link please?
Sid
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You guys have probably already seen this:
It's a version of the common plug-in plastic fuse. An internal LED glows to
indicate a blown fuse.
Auto Zone.
Regards,
Troy Scott
tscott1217@bellsouth.net
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| Subject: | Keeping flash tubes nice |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lawson, Michael" <mikel@SSD.FSI.com>
I am in the process of wiring my (Whelen) strobes up, and I noticed how nice
and clear they look when new. Last time I walked around Oshkosh, I noticed
that many flash tubes on experimentals seem to have a darkened, brownish
look, almost like they've been overheated.
Is this indeed caused by overheating, by having the tube enclosed behind a
plexi lens and not exposed to the air stream for cooling, or is it just a
natural degradation of the flash tube over time?
I checked the archives, but couldn't find anything relevant (there are LOTS
of messages about strobes to wade through).
Any suggestions on keeping flash tubes nice and clear? (Some kind of a heat
sink maybe?)
Michael Lawson
RV-8A Wings
Tulsa, Oklahoma
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Keeping flash tubes nice
I am in the process of wiring my (Whelen) strobes up, and I noticed how nice and
clear they look when new. Last time I walked around Oshkosh, I noticed that
many flash tubes on experimentals seem to have a darkened, brownish look, almost
like they've been overheated.
Is this indeed caused by overheating, by having the tube enclosed behind a plexi
lens and not exposed to the air stream for cooling, or is it just a natural
degradation of the flash tube over time?
I checked the archives, but couldn't find anything relevant (there are LOTS of
messages about strobes to wade through).
Any suggestions on keeping flash tubes nice and clear? (Some kind of a heat sink
maybe?)
Michael Lawson
RV-8A Wings
Tulsa, Oklahoma
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| Subject: | Re: Keeping flash tubes nice |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
I'm interested in this too...though I think it's really the gozillion joules of
energy that we're sending through 'em.....
-----Original Message-----
From: "Lawson, Michael" <mikel@SSD.FSI.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Keeping flash tubes nice
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lawson, Michael" <mikel@SSD.FSI.com>
I am in the process of wiring my (Whelen) strobes up, and I noticed how nice
and clear they look when new. Last time I walked around Oshkosh, I noticed
that many flash tubes on experimentals seem to have a darkened, brownish
look, almost like they've been overheated.
Is this indeed caused by overheating, by having the tube enclosed behind a
plexi lens and not exposed to the air stream for cooling, or is it just a
natural degradation of the flash tube over time?
I checked the archives, but couldn't find anything relevant (there are LOTS
of messages about strobes to wade through).
Any suggestions on keeping flash tubes nice and clear? (Some kind of a heat
sink maybe?)
Michael Lawson
RV-8A Wings
Tulsa, Oklahoma
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Keeping flash tubes nice
I am in the process of wiring my (Whelen) strobes up, and I noticed how nice and
clear they look when new. Last time I walked around Oshkosh, I noticed that
many flash tubes on experimentals seem to have a darkened, brownish look, almost
like they've been overheated.
Is this indeed caused by overheating, by having the tube enclosed behind a plexi
lens and not exposed to the air stream for cooling, or is it just a natural
degradation of the flash tube over time?
I checked the archives, but couldn't find anything relevant (there are LOTS of
messages about strobes to wade through).
Any suggestions on keeping flash tubes nice and clear? (Some kind of a heat sink
maybe?)
Michael Lawson
RV-8A Wings
Tulsa, Oklahoma
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| Subject: | Favorite "switch feel"? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lawson, Michael" <mikel@SSD.FSI.com>
Does anyone have a favorite brand of switch that they prefer to use, based
on its tactile feel and smoothness of switch action?
Once you get beyond the parameters of AC vs. DC ratings, rated actuations,
and whatnot, there still seems to be a noticeable difference in the
operation mechanism of different switches.
In my job, I am lucky enough to get to flip switches for all sorts of
aircraft in Level D simulators.
I was flipping a switch from a Falcon 20 the other day which made me say,
"Wow -- that's a REALLY nice switch action! I'd like to have that switch in
my RV." Unfortunately, it's made by ECE, a French company ("L'Equipement et
la Construction Electrique SA"), and I don't have any ordering information.
(The specific switch in question was provided directly by the Falcon factory
for this simulator, so I have no way to order one on my own.)
Now, there are those who will say, "Don't worry about it, just forge ahead
with whatever switches you can find that are adequately rated." But, to me,
small details like the feel of switch actions are one of the things that
just make me feel good (and proud) of my airplane.
Okay, your favorites?
Michael Lawson
RV-8A Wings
Tulsa, Oklahoma
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Favorite switch feel?
Does anyone have a favorite brand of switch that they prefer to use, based on its
tactile feel and smoothness of switch action?
Once you get beyond the parameters of AC vs. DC ratings, rated actuations, and
whatnot, there still seems to be a noticeable difference in the operation mechanism
of different switches.
In my job, I am lucky enough to get to flip switches for all sorts of aircraft
in Level D simulators.
I was flipping a switch from a Falcon 20 the other day which made me say, Wow --
that's a REALLY nice switch action! I'd like to have that switch in my RV. Unfortunately,
it's made by ECE, a French company (L'Equipement et la Construction
Electrique SA), and I don't have any ordering information. (The specific switch
in question was provided directly by the Falcon factory for this simulator,
so I have no way to order one on my own.)
Now, there are those who will say, Don't worry about it, just forge ahead with
whatever switches you can find that are adequately rated. But, to me, small details
like the feel of switch actions are one of the things that just make me
feel good (and proud) of my airplane.
Okay, your favorites?
Michael Lawson
RV-8A Wings
Tulsa, Oklahoma
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite "switch feel"? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
Hi,
Here is a bit of information for you:
http://www.intertechnique.fr/us/groupe/filiales/ece/index.htm
Let us know if you find something cool!
Mickey
>I was flipping a switch from a Falcon 20 the other day which made me say,
>"Wow -- that's a REALLY nice switch action! I'd like to have that switch in
>my RV." Unfortunately, it's made by ECE, a French company ("L'Equipement et
>la Construction Electrique SA"), and I don't have any ordering information.
>(The specific switch in question was provided directly by the Falcon factory
>for this simulator, so I have no way to order one on my own.)
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | RE: Favorite "switch feel"? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
>>Does anyone have a favorite brand of switch that they prefer to use, based
>>on its tactile feel and smoothness of switch action?
Now there's a man after my own heart.
If there were switches that felt like the shutter button of a Leica M3, I'd
buy them. Hewlett Packard thought switch "feel" in calculators was
incredibly important; they provide important tactile feedback. Same with
IBM. No matter what computer I use I take my own IBM/AT keyboard to use.
I once complained to a switch manufacturer that a potentiometer felt "cheap"
and was told by the manufacturer that they can make it feel any way at all
by changing the silicone grease. So I ordered per their suggestion XYZ
grease and everyone was happy.
High-priced audio equipment makers specialize in this art. But I suspect
that most corporate bean-counters are not interested in this, and many
manufacturers just stumble across it accidentally.
Everything feels good in a glob of grease.
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
Phone (508) 764-2072
Email: emjones@charter.net
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite "switch feel"? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Michel RIAZUELO" <mt.riazuelo@wanadoo.fr>
Hi Michael,
The only information I have.
L'Equipement Et La Construction Electrique SA,
129 BD Davout
BP 113
75020 Paris
France
Phone 33 (0)1 56 06 10 00
Regards,
Michel RIAZUELO
MCR SPORTSTER .... wired.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawson, Michael
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:18 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Favorite "switch feel"?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lawson, Michael" <mikel@SSD.FSI.com>
Does anyone have a favorite brand of switch that they prefer to use, based
on its tactile feel and smoothness of switch action?
Once you get beyond the parameters of AC vs. DC ratings, rated actuations,
and whatnot, there still seems to be a noticeable difference in the
operation mechanism of different switches.
In my job, I am lucky enough to get to flip switches for all sorts of
aircraft in Level D simulators.
I was flipping a switch from a Falcon 20 the other day which made me say,
"Wow -- that's a REALLY nice switch action! I'd like to have that switch in
my RV." Unfortunately, it's made by ECE, a French company ("L'Equipement et
la Construction Electrique SA"), and I don't have any ordering information.
(The specific switch in question was provided directly by the Falcon factory
for this simulator, so I have no way to order one on my own.)
Now, there are those who will say, "Don't worry about it, just forge ahead
with whatever switches you can find that are adequately rated." But, to me,
small details like the feel of switch actions are one of the things that
just make me feel good (and proud) of my airplane.
Okay, your favorites?
Michael Lawson
RV-8A Wings
Tulsa, Oklahoma
do not archive
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Favorite switch feel?
Does anyone have a favorite brand of switch that they prefer to use, based on
its tactile feel and smoothness of switch action?
Once you get beyond the parameters of AC vs. DC ratings, rated actuations, and
whatnot, there still seems to be a noticeable difference in the operation mechanism
of different switches.
In my job, I am lucky enough to get to flip switches for all sorts of aircraft
in Level D simulators.
I was flipping a switch from a Falcon 20 the other day which made me say, Wow
-- that's a REALLY nice switch action! I'd like to have that switch in my RV.
Unfortunately, it's made by ECE, a French company (L'Equipement et la Construction
Electrique SA), and I don't have any ordering information. (The specific
switch in question was provided directly by the Falcon factory for this simulator,
so I have no way to order one on my own.)
Now, there are those who will say, Don't worry about it, just forge ahead with
whatever switches you can find that are adequately rated. But, to me, small
details like the feel of switch actions are one of the things that just make me
feel good (and proud) of my airplane.
Okay, your favorites?
Michael Lawson
RV-8A Wings
Tulsa, Oklahoma
do not archive
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| Subject: | Whats the name of this stuff? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com
I need some stuff that I call 'potting stuff'.
Its the stuff used to pour over electronics to harden the item from
moisture shaking, etc.
I want to be able to walk into Fries Electronics and tell them what I
want.
Whats the name of this stuff?
Thanks,
Cecil
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| Subject: | Re: Whats the name of this stuff? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: cecilth@juno.com
>I need some stuff that I call 'potting stuff'.
>Its the stuff used to pour over electronics to harden the item from
>moisture shaking, etc.
>I want to be able to walk into Fries Electronics and tell them what I want.
>Whats the name of this stuff?
>Thanks,
>Cecil
Cecil,
Potting stuff comes in many flavors--
Urethanes, Silicones, Epoxies, etc. depends on what you want to do.
Sometimes the potted electronics must be repairable. Sometimes great thermal
conductivity is needed. Sometimes it must be clear, sometimes colored.
Sometimes very viscous, sometimes not. Sometimes flexible, sometimes like
ceramic.
You can use regular epoxy or urethane if the job has no particular
requirements. Silicones sometimes eat up fine PCB traces unless you get
electronic grade.
Just coating the circuit with clear epoxy has its "adherents". (I am so
easily amused...)
Like everything else---just Google it. Loctite and 3M make lots of the
stuff.
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
Phone (508) 764-2072
Email: emjones@charter.net
"People don't really appreciate how very difficult it is to be a princess."
--Princess Diana
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| Subject: | Favorite "switch feel"? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Scott, Ian" <ian_scott@commander.com>
http://www.intertechnique.fr/us/competences/cmde_signalis/panneau_sup.htm#Composants pour Commandes Manuelles des Circuits Electriques
-----Original Message-----
From: Michel RIAZUELO [mailto:mt.riazuelo@wanadoo.fr]
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Favorite "switch feel"?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Michel RIAZUELO" <mt.riazuelo@wanadoo.fr>
Hi Michael,
The only information I have.
L'Equipement Et La Construction Electrique SA,
129 BD Davout
BP 113
75020 Paris
France
Phone 33 (0)1 56 06 10 00
Regards,
Michel RIAZUELO
MCR SPORTSTER .... wired.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawson, Michael
To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:18 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Favorite "switch feel"?
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Lawson, Michael" <mikel@SSD.FSI.com>
Does anyone have a favorite brand of switch that they prefer to use, based
on its tactile feel and smoothness of switch action?
Once you get beyond the parameters of AC vs. DC ratings, rated actuations,
and whatnot, there still seems to be a noticeable difference in the
operation mechanism of different switches.
In my job, I am lucky enough to get to flip switches for all sorts of
aircraft in Level D simulators.
I was flipping a switch from a Falcon 20 the other day which made me say,
"Wow -- that's a REALLY nice switch action! I'd like to have that switch in
my RV." Unfortunately, it's made by ECE, a French company ("L'Equipement et
la Construction Electrique SA"), and I don't have any ordering information.
(The specific switch in question was provided directly by the Falcon factory
for this simulator, so I have no way to order one on my own.)
Now, there are those who will say, "Don't worry about it, just forge ahead
with whatever switches you can find that are adequately rated." But, to me,
small details like the feel of switch actions are one of the things that
just make me feel good (and proud) of my airplane.
Okay, your favorites?
Michael Lawson
RV-8A Wings
Tulsa, Oklahoma
do not archive
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Favorite switch feel?
Does anyone have a favorite brand of switch that they prefer to use, based on
its tactile feel and smoothness of switch action?
Once you get beyond the parameters of AC vs. DC ratings, rated actuations, and
whatnot, there still seems to be a noticeable difference in the operation mechanism
of different switches.
In my job, I am lucky enough to get to flip switches for all sorts of aircraft
in Level D simulators.
I was flipping a switch from a Falcon 20 the other day which made me say, Wow
-- that's a REALLY nice switch action! I'd like to have that switch in my RV.
Unfortunately, it's made by ECE, a French company (L'Equipement et la Construction
Electrique SA), and I don't have any ordering information. (The specific
switch in question was provided directly by the Falcon factory for this simulator,
so I have no way to order one on my own.)
Now, there are those who will say, Don't worry about it, just forge ahead with
whatever switches you can find that are adequately rated. But, to me, small
details like the feel of switch actions are one of the things that just make me
feel good (and proud) of my airplane.
Okay, your favorites?
Michael Lawson
RV-8A Wings
Tulsa, Oklahoma
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Favorite "switch feel"? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave Morris <dave@davemorris.com>
I can relate to the need for good switch feel. I hate clunky switches that
are too hard to flip. But gadzooks Eric, I absolutely hated the IBM
keyboards, so I don't know what the HECK you're talking about! LOL!
Anyway, I was in Altex, an electronics store in Dallas today and flipped
all the switches they had on a display board there. Didn't really like any
of them. The metal ones are usually too "hard", and the ones with plastic
bat handles are usually too "soft" and easy to accidentally flip.
I did luck out with the switch panels I had built by Aircraft Simulators
(www.AircraftSimulators.com), because they feel "just right". They are
made by "Chili" and rated at 10A.
Dave Morris
At 04:03 PM 2/19/2004, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
>
> >>Does anyone have a favorite brand of switch that they prefer to use, based
> >>on its tactile feel and smoothness of switch action?
>
>Now there's a man after my own heart.
>
>If there were switches that felt like the shutter button of a Leica M3, I'd
>buy them. Hewlett Packard thought switch "feel" in calculators was
>incredibly important; they provide important tactile feedback. Same with
>IBM. No matter what computer I use I take my own IBM/AT keyboard to use.
>
>I once complained to a switch manufacturer that a potentiometer felt "cheap"
>and was told by the manufacturer that they can make it feel any way at all
>by changing the silicone grease. So I ordered per their suggestion XYZ
>grease and everyone was happy.
>
>High-priced audio equipment makers specialize in this art. But I suspect
>that most corporate bean-counters are not interested in this, and many
>manufacturers just stumble across it accidentally.
>
>Everything feels good in a glob of grease.
>
>Regards,
>Eric M. Jones
>www.PerihelionDesign.com
>113 Brentwood Drive
>Southbridge MA 01550-2705
>Phone (508) 764-2072
>Email: emjones@charter.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Favorite "switch feel"? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jerzy Krasinski <krasinski@direcway.com>
All of that reminds me a discussion I once read in a gun journal.
Someone discussed parameters of several guns, and in addition to usual
parameters like weight, caliber, velocity of projectile, etc. he
included also the "feel" - whatever that means, because he never defined
that parameter. Strange thing, the most expensive guns scored the
highest in that "feel" competition. I guess, it feels good to have
something expensive (Hewlet Packard?) or rare (French?). A switch made
of unobtainium probably would beat anything else in that competition.
Jerzy
Dave Morris wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave Morris <dave@davemorris.com>
>
>I can relate to the need for good switch feel. I hate clunky switches that
>are too hard to flip. But gadzooks Eric, I absolutely hated the IBM
>keyboards, so I don't know what the HECK you're talking about! LOL!
>
>Anyway, I was in Altex, an electronics store in Dallas today and flipped
>all the switches they had on a display board there. Didn't really like any
>of them. The metal ones are usually too "hard", and the ones with plastic
>bat handles are usually too "soft" and easy to accidentally flip.
>
>I did luck out with the switch panels I had built by Aircraft Simulators
>(www.AircraftSimulators.com), because they feel "just right". They are
>made by "Chili" and rated at 10A.
>
>Dave Morris
>
>At 04:03 PM 2/19/2004, you wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Does anyone have a favorite brand of switch that they prefer to use, based
>>>>on its tactile feel and smoothness of switch action?
>>>>
>>>>
>>Now there's a man after my own heart.
>>
>>If there were switches that felt like the shutter button of a Leica M3, I'd
>>buy them. Hewlett Packard thought switch "feel" in calculators was
>>incredibly important; they provide important tactile feedback. Same with
>>IBM. No matter what computer I use I take my own IBM/AT keyboard to use.
>>
>>I once complained to a switch manufacturer that a potentiometer felt "cheap"
>>and was told by the manufacturer that they can make it feel any way at all
>>by changing the silicone grease. So I ordered per their suggestion XYZ
>>grease and everyone was happy.
>>
>>High-priced audio equipment makers specialize in this art. But I suspect
>>that most corporate bean-counters are not interested in this, and many
>>manufacturers just stumble across it accidentally.
>>
>>Everything feels good in a glob of grease.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Eric M. Jones
>>www.PerihelionDesign.com
>>113 Brentwood Drive
>>Southbridge MA 01550-2705
>>Phone (508) 764-2072
>>Email: emjones@charter.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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