Today's Message Index:
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1. 02:58 AM - Re: Control Stick Switch Override (Bruce Gray)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: Data logging with an Ipaq (John Mireley)
3. 06:08 AM - Endurance buss - second battery wiring (John Slade)
4. 06:36 AM - Re: Control Stick Switch Override Revision A (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
5. 06:38 AM - Re: Endurance buss - second battery wiring (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
6. 07:30 AM - Re: Endurance buss - second battery wiring (Dale Martin)
7. 07:35 AM - Re: Bussmann Fuseblock (Kent Ashton)
8. 07:55 AM - Re: Control Stick Switch Override (Charlie Kuss)
9. 12:07 PM - Re: Control Stick Switch Override (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
10. 12:09 PM - Re: Endurance buss - second battery wiring (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
11. 03:59 PM - Re: Endurance buss - second battery wiring (John Slade)
12. 04:33 PM - Control Stick Switch Overrids (PeterHunt1@aol.com)
13. 06:45 PM - Battery sources (richard@riley.net)
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| Subject: | Control Stick Switch Override |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Thanks Bob.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert L. Nuckolls, III
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Control Stick Switch Override
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 07:35 AM 3/8/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray"
<Bruce@glasair.org>
>
>
>Hi Bob,
>
>As promised, after attending the Groton, CT seminar, I still have a
>question.
>
>With the plethora of trim, PTT, and other control buttons being
>duplicated on each control stick, I'm looking for a circuit to provide
>for pilot priority/override if there is a tug of war between the
>pilot/copilot. I need to handle 2 axis trim, speed brakes, and CWS.
I've published a drawing at:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Pilot_Priority.pdf
The upper drawing shows how to wire control stick grip
switches for automatic/manual override of the copilot's
switches by the pilot. The relay is used to disconnect
the copilot's switches any time a pilot's switch is depressed.
The toggle switch selects full-time or automatic disable of
the copilot's switches.
The lower drawing is a bit simpler. It has only a manual
disable switch. This circuit does not allow pilot override
of any single switch . . . only a choice of whether or
not the copilot's stick controls are active.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Data logging with an Ipaq |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: John Mireley <mireley@msu.edu>
Hi There wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Hi There <rv90619@yahoo.com>
>
>
> This may be a little off topic, I'm just having a hard time getting any real
info.
>
> I have a Grand Rapids EIS 4000 in my RV9. I would like to capture the serial
stream coming from the engine monitor using my Pocket PC so I can plot out the
engine data later on my PC. I understand that this is possible with a laptop
but that's too bulky and hard to package in the plane.
>
> Any thoughts out there on how to do this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Cam
>
Over the years of used dumb terminal emulation software
to do this type of thing. The program "Kermit" is one that
I've used successfully. Just put the program in "log
session" mode. I've used this setup for 10 years to log
all the phone activity on our phone switch with a MS-DOS
based PC.
John Mireley
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| Subject: | Endurance buss - second battery wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Slade" <sladerj@bellsouth.net>
Bob,
There was a discussion on this list a week or two ago about this, and I
don't recall seeing your comments.
I'm wired per your diagrams for dual battery, single (internally regulated)
alternator.
I'm considering adding a wire from #2 battery buss via a switch to the E
buss. This way I'll be able to power my essentials (EFI computers, Fuel
pumps, Injectors, Coils) from either battery without using the contactors.
Any reasons why this would be a bad idea?
Regards,
John Slade
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Switch Override Revision A |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Just spotted an editing error in the original drawing. A revised
drawing is posted at:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Pilot_Priority_A.pdf
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Endurance buss - second battery wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 09:08 AM 3/12/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Slade" <sladerj@bellsouth.net>
>
>Bob,
>There was a discussion on this list a week or two ago about this, and I
>don't recall seeing your comments.
>
>I'm wired per your diagrams for dual battery, single (internally regulated)
>alternator.
>
>I'm considering adding a wire from #2 battery buss via a switch to the E
>buss. This way I'll be able to power my essentials (EFI computers, Fuel
>pumps, Injectors, Coils) from either battery without using the contactors.
>
>Any reasons why this would be a bad idea?
That works . . . but are you not confident in your
ability to maintain batteries such that you KNOW
be for you fly what endurance can be expected from
each when and if the alternator quits?
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Endurance buss - second battery wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dale Martin" <niceez@cableone.net>
This is a great idea to be tested during the day flying up high. When I get
all the wiring back in this is something to try and report back to the
group. Simulate night flying condition so I'm using more then usual load.
Will be interesting to see how long before the battery holds up the white
flag.
Dale Martin
Lewiston, ID
LEZ-235
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Endurance buss - second battery wiring
>
> That works . . . but are you not confident in your
> ability to maintain batteries such that you KNOW
> be for you fly what endurance can be expected from
> each when and if the alternator quits?
>
> Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Bussmann Fuseblock |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kent Ashton <kjashton@vnet.net>
Cooper-Bussmann has a web site that lists distributors, but when I called my
local Charlotte distributor, he didn't want to order one. He called Cooper
Bussmann and they told him he has to order 24 at a time.
If you find a distrubutor, let me know. I'll do the same.
Kent
> From: "Hans - Peter Reusser" <hpreusser@tiscalinet.ch>
> Reply-To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:25:22 +0100
> To: "Aeroelectrics" <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Bussmann Fuseblock
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Hans - Peter Reusser"
> <hpreusser@tiscalinet.ch>
>
> Hi Charlie
>
> Could you give me a hint where those Bussmann fuseblocks are obtainable?
>
> many thanks
>
> Hans-Peter Reusser, Europa building
>
> *****************************************************************
>
> Hans-Peter und Christa Reusser Tel: +41 (33) 654 00 24
> Spiezbergstr. 13 Fax: +41 (33) 654 30 21
> 3700 Spiez E-mail: hpreusser@tiscalinet.ch
>
> *****************************************************************
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Switch Override |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
>snipped
>>With the plethora of trim, PTT, and other control buttons being
>>duplicated on each control stick, I'm looking for a circuit to provide
>>for pilot priority/override if there is a tug of war between the
>>pilot/copilot. I need to handle 2 axis trim, speed brakes, and CWS.
>
> I've published a drawing at:
>
> http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Pilot_Priority.pdf
>
> The upper drawing shows how to wire control stick grip
> switches for automatic/manual override of the copilot's
> switches by the pilot. The relay is used to disconnect
> the copilot's switches any time a pilot's switch is depressed.
> The toggle switch selects full-time or automatic disable of
> the copilot's switches.
>
> The lower drawing is a bit simpler. It has only a manual
> disable switch. This circuit does not allow pilot override
> of any single switch . . . only a choice of whether or
> not the copilot's stick controls are active.
>
> Bob . . .
Bob,
No joy on using the link provided above. Is it just me?
Charlie Kuss
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| Subject: | Re: Control Stick Switch Override |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 10:28 AM 3/12/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie Kuss <chaskuss@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> >snipped
> >>With the plethora of trim, PTT, and other control buttons being
> >>duplicated on each control stick, I'm looking for a circuit to provide
> >>for pilot priority/override if there is a tug of war between the
> >>pilot/copilot. I need to handle 2 axis trim, speed brakes, and CWS.
> >
> > I've published a drawing at:
> >
> > http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Pilot_Priority.pdf
> >
> > The upper drawing shows how to wire control stick grip
> > switches for automatic/manual override of the copilot's
> > switches by the pilot. The relay is used to disconnect
> > the copilot's switches any time a pilot's switch is depressed.
> > The toggle switch selects full-time or automatic disable of
> > the copilot's switches.
> >
> > The lower drawing is a bit simpler. It has only a manual
> > disable switch. This circuit does not allow pilot override
> > of any single switch . . . only a choice of whether or
> > not the copilot's stick controls are active.
> >
> > Bob . . .
>
>
>Bob,
> No joy on using the link provided above. Is it just me?
>Charlie Kuss
Sorry Charlie, I found an error on the drawing right after I posted
it. It's been re-posted as revision A at
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles/Pilot_Priority_A.pdf
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Endurance buss - second battery wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <bob.nuckolls@cox.net>
At 07:27 AM 3/12/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dale Martin" <niceez@cableone.net>
>
>This is a great idea to be tested during the day flying up high. When I get
>all the wiring back in this is something to try and report back to the
>group. Simulate night flying condition so I'm using more then usual load.
>Will be interesting to see how long before the battery holds up the white
>flag.
>
>Dale Martin
>Lewiston, ID
>LEZ-235
Gee Dale, the repeatable experiment . . . what will they
think up next? Just yanking your chain my friend. That's
an excellent idea that promises to produce irrefutable
numbers that can only build your confidence in a system
you depend on and increase the value of your advice
to folks considering similar systems.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Endurance buss - second battery wiring |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Slade" <sladerj@bellsouth.net>
> >I'm wired per your diagrams for dual battery, single (internally
> regulated)
> >alternator.
> >
> >I'm considering adding a wire from #2 battery buss via a switch to the E
> >buss. This way I'll be able to power my essentials (EFI computers, Fuel
> >pumps, Injectors, Coils) from either battery without using the
> contactors.
> >
> >Any reasons why this would be a bad idea?
>
> That works . . . but are you not confident in your
> ability to maintain batteries such that you KNOW
> be for you fly what endurance can be expected from
> each when and if the alternator quits?
Just as with fuel - I'd hate to run out of accessible amps while still
having some on board. I could run one pump, coil set, and injector set of
each battery buss, or I could run them all from the e-buss and switch the
batteries. I prefer the latter since the EC2 computer has (effectively) only
one supply lead.
I guess my confidence in batteries has weakened recently since I managed to
fry three with two different chargers in the space of a month. One, a
so-called "smart" trickle charger and the other a conventional 6 amp unit.
In the second case the battery was HOT, smelling of acid and bulging at the
seems after an overnight charge. :(
Perhaps a lesson on charging these rg batteries is in order.....
Regards,
John
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| Subject: | Control Stick Switch Overrids |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PeterHunt1@aol.com
Bob:
In the lower diagram of your Pilot Priority Article/schematic, are the diodes
you show necessary? If yes, what would happen if I left them out?
Pete Hunt
Clearwater, Florida
RV-6, installing engine
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net
I'm doing a couple of projects (for my day job) overseas.
Does anyone have a source for starved lead acid batteries in the UK, and in
the Philippines? I'm looking for 20 AH to 40 AH screw terminal 12V. They
*don't* have to be bargains, the company is paying for them, but I really,
really don't want to try to take them over in my luggage.
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