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1. 03:16 AM - Re: Alarm System (RV8ter@aol.com)
2. 07:31 AM - wasted payload ()
3. 08:52 AM - Re: Worth of a Pound? (Eric M. Jones)
4. 10:44 AM - Alarm system (Fergus Kyle)
5. 10:54 AM - Re: Alarm System (Wallace Enga)
6. 11:55 AM - Re: Alarm System (Paul Schattauer)
7. 12:53 PM - Re: Alarm System (richard@riley.net)
8. 01:26 PM - Re: Alarm System (Gerry Holland)
9. 01:29 PM - Re: Alarm System (Charlie England)
10. 01:42 PM - Re: Alarm System (John Slade)
11. 03:45 PM - Re: Alarm System (Ernest Christley)
12. 03:53 PM - Re: Alarm System (Ernest Christley)
13. 04:48 PM - Re: Alarm System (LRE2@aol.com)
14. 06:39 PM - Re: Alarm System (flyv35b)
15. 09:08 PM - Re: Alarm System (Joel Harding)
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| Subject: | Re: Alarm System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
charlie, put the crack pipe down and take a break.
do not archive.
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bakerocb@cox.net>
AeroElectric-List message previously posted by: Chuck Jensen <cjensen@dts9000.com>>
<<....skip....Ultimately, if we are keenly interested in weight reduction, most
of us are setting on 10-15 pounds of wasted payload that we should get rid of.
Chuck>>
5/23/2004
Damnation! I was wondering where that wasted payload was hiding.
OC
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Worth of a Pound? |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
Thanks to the many Aeroelectric listers who commented on what a pound is
worth. Its value is between $1 and $1000; that's my story and I'm stickin'
to it!
I think the issue boils down to physical and existential qualities:
Tangibles:
The justifiable expense to remove a pound of weight from your aircraft
varies depending on who you are and what you want in an aircraft. Variables
include mission, mission value, aircraft lifetime and who is paying the
bill.
If we exert a force over a given distance, we have done work. pound-feet
(lb-ft). We can think of work as energy expended. Power is how fast we can
do work or how fast we can expend energy, measured by work/time lb-ft/s, or
horsepower (1 hp = 550 lb-ft/s). So for every 1 pound we lift to 10,000 feet
in 10 minutes (600 seconds) we have to use: 10,000
lb-ft/600s=16.7lb-ft/s/550 lb-ft/s=0.03 hp.
But even this is complicated by the fact that the engine has to boost the
part of itself that generates the additional 0.03 hp....and the fuel to
generate it....and the airplane structure to carry it. Yikes. Bob's
(re:Voyager) comment on #4 of additional airplane and fuel for #1 of added
payload is probably close.
A pound here and a pound there and pretty soon you'll wish you'd paid closer
attention to the details.
Intangibles:
The human subjective qualities are often the most important parts of an
aircraft. Is she beautiful? Is it done expertly--even in places no one will
ever look? Am I satisfied? How about that Imron paint job? It that purely
functional? How about the sleek beauty in the slanted tail...does she really
go THAT fast?
Here's an MBA discussion of the whole issue.
http://www.solutionmatrix.com/
But I can give you the MBA education free---as a recent Business Week
article said, "this new philosophy of (Return on Investment) says it's the
things that are most difficult to measure that matter most of all.
Hey...the Super-2-CCA Fatwire and the Super-lightweight RG142 are on the
way!
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
Phone (508) 764-2072
Email: emjones@charter.net
"I only regret my economies."
--Reynolds Price
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
" We live in the greatest country in the world."
Next to, actually.
Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Alarm System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Wallace Enga <wenga@svtv.com>
What a bunch of BS !!
Wally Enga
At 11:00 PM 5/22/04 -0500, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie England
><ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
>
>Assuming you live in the USA, I invite you to read the papers & watch
>the news.
>Here's just one reason to fear your government:
>John Ashcroft, Your Attorney General, has said in speeches that anyone
>who disagrees with the administration is a traitor. The Patriot Act says
>that any citizen who's a traitor should have should lose all his rights
>as a citizen & be treated as a non-US citizen. Paid any attention to how
>non US citizens that the current administration dislikes (or completely
>innocent people that the administration thinks it can coerce into spying
>for them) get treated these days?
>
>We live in the greatest country in the world. If we don't speak out
>against this sort of thing, we will soon live in the moral & social
>equivalent of the country we just claim to have 'liberated'.
>
>Charlie
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alarm System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711@msn.com>
Charlie
I have researched the AG's speeches and cannot find the remarks you refer to
anywhere. Could you please advise me of the speech or speeches that contain
these remarks, date or venue would be sufficient.
thank you
Paul Schattauer
>From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alarm System
>Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 23:00:00 -0500
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie England
><ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
>jerb wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
> >
> >Actually the NorthStar system is actually pretty neat and handy. You
>raise
> >the question, do you have a reason to fear the possibility of being
>tracked?
> >jerb
> >
> >
>
>Assuming you live in the USA, I invite you to read the papers & watch
>the news.
>Here's just one reason to fear your government:
>John Ashcroft, Your Attorney General, has said in speeches that anyone
>who disagrees with the administration is a traitor. The Patriot Act says
>that any citizen who's a traitor should have should lose all his rights
>as a citizen & be treated as a non-US citizen. Paid any attention to how
>non US citizens that the current administration dislikes (or completely
>innocent people that the administration thinks it can coerce into spying
>for them) get treated these days?
>
>We live in the greatest country in the world. If we don't speak out
>against this sort of thing, we will soon live in the moral & social
>equivalent of the country we just claim to have 'liberated'.
>
>Charlie
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alarm System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net
At 11:51 AM 5/23/04, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711@msn.com>
>
>Charlie
>
>I have researched the AG's speeches and cannot find the remarks you refer to
>anywhere. Could you please advise me of the speech or speeches that contain
>these remarks, date or venue would be sufficient.
They don't exist. I follow public statements from the AG, DHS Sec. Tom
Ridge, Asa Hutchenson, Pres. Bush, Sec. Rumsfeld and Sec. Powell. I get a
Lexus-Nexus report every morning. They simply aren't there.
But once you've convinced yourself that someone is the embodiment of pure
evil, lying about what they say is a minor transgression. If you think
"The Jews" are evil, you come up with "The Protocols of the Elders of
Zion." If you think Bush and Ashcroft are evil, you come up with this.
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| Subject: | Re: Alarm System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Gentlemen......
>> I have researched the AG's speeches and cannot find the remarks you refer to
>> anywhere. Could you please advise me of the speech or speeches that contain
>> these remarks, date or venue would be sufficient.
>
> They don't exist. I follow public statements from the AG, DHS Sec. Tom
> Ridge, Asa Hutchenson, Pres. Bush, Sec. Rumsfeld and Sec. Powell. I get a
> Lexus-Nexus report every morning. They simply aren't there.
>
> But once you've convinced yourself that someone is the embodiment of pure
> evil, lying about what they say is a minor transgression. If you think
> "The Jews" are evil, you come up with "The Protocols of the Elders of
> Zion." If you think Bush and Ashcroft are evil, you come up with this.
This thread is going where?
Gerry Holland
Europa 384 G-FIZY
Trigear with Rotax 912 and Arplast CS Prop.
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Alarm System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
richard@riley.net wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net
>
>At 11:51 AM 5/23/04, you wrote:
>
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711@msn.com>
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>I have researched the AG's speeches and cannot find the remarks you refer to
>>anywhere. Could you please advise me of the speech or speeches that contain
>>these remarks, date or venue would be sufficient.
>>
>>
>
>They don't exist. I follow public statements from the AG, DHS Sec. Tom
>Ridge, Asa Hutchenson, Pres. Bush, Sec. Rumsfeld and Sec. Powell. I get a
>Lexus-Nexus report every morning. They simply aren't there.
>
>But once you've convinced yourself that someone is the embodiment of pure
>evil, lying about what they say is a minor transgression. If you think
>"The Jews" are evil, you come up with "The Protocols of the Elders of
>Zion." If you think Bush and Ashcroft are evil, you come up with this.
>
I watched the man make the statement on national TV. If I can find a
link to an actual quote, I'll submit it to the list.
Charlie
do not archive
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Slade" <sladerj@bellsouth.net>
> I watched the man make the statement on national TV. If I can find a
> link to an actual quote, I'll submit it to the list.
No. Enough already. Please submit it to some other list.
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| Subject: | Re: Alarm System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ernest Christley <echristley@nc.rr.com>
richard@riley.net wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: richard@riley.net
>
> At 11:51 AM 5/23/04, you wrote:
>
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711@msn.com>
>>
>>Charlie
>>
>>I have researched the AG's speeches and cannot find the remarks you refer to
>>anywhere. Could you please advise me of the speech or speeches that contain
>>these remarks, date or venue would be sufficient.
>
>
> They don't exist. I follow public statements from the AG, DHS Sec. Tom
> Ridge, Asa Hutchenson, Pres. Bush, Sec. Rumsfeld and Sec. Powell. I get a
> Lexus-Nexus report every morning. They simply aren't there.
>
> But once you've convinced yourself that someone is the embodiment of pure
> evil, lying about what they say is a minor transgression. If you think
> "The Jews" are evil, you come up with "The Protocols of the Elders of
> Zion." If you think Bush and Ashcroft are evil, you come up with this.
>
I'm not afraid of the "man" coming down on me as a terrorist, but I AM
afraid of getting caught up in the Great Beaucracy". It'll grind you up
an not even know you're there. Like the guys who use minimum sized N
numbers where they're hard to see, I'd rather just quitely stay below
the radar.
--
http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org/
"Ignorance is mankinds normal state,
alleviated by information and experience."
Veeduber
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| Subject: | Re: Alarm System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ernest Christley <echristley@nc.rr.com>
Gerry Holland wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
>
> Gentlemen......
>
>
>>>I have researched the AG's speeches and cannot find the remarks you refer to
>>>anywhere. Could you please advise me of the speech or speeches that contain
>>>these remarks, date or venue would be sufficient.
>>
>>They don't exist. I follow public statements from the AG, DHS Sec. Tom
>>Ridge, Asa Hutchenson, Pres. Bush, Sec. Rumsfeld and Sec. Powell. I get a
>>Lexus-Nexus report every morning. They simply aren't there.
>>
>>But once you've convinced yourself that someone is the embodiment of pure
>>evil, lying about what they say is a minor transgression. If you think
>>"The Jews" are evil, you come up with "The Protocols of the Elders of
>>Zion." If you think Bush and Ashcroft are evil, you come up with this.
>
>
> This thread is going where?
>
> Gerry Holland
Gerry, the only place I see it going is the advise not to put anything
in your OBAM aircraft that give those-who-know-more-that-we (as Bob
might say) the ability to track you. I don't believe anyone in the
government is any more evil than the typical American, and that is what
scares the S%*7 outta me. Beaucracies tend to make people discontented,
apathetic, and sometimes mean. Sometimes they force people to be this
way. Where I go is my business, and I don't want the Feds to know about
it, 'cause I've been on the losing end of using facts and logic to
explain that I'm not a criminal.
I most cases, devices that allow you to be tracked do NOT increase your
safety as they only allow searchers to find the pieces easier.
--
http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org/
"Ignorance is mankinds normal state,
alleviated by information and experience."
Veeduber
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| Subject: | Re: Alarm System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: LRE2@aol.com
Winston Churchill is said to have defined a fanatic as:
"One who can't change his mind, and won't change the subject"
Enough already, Take your diatribes else where, Please. LRE
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| Subject: | Re: Alarm System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "flyv35b" <flyv35b@ashcreekwireless.com>
Where I go is my business, and I don't want the Feds to know about
> it, 'cause I've been on the losing end of using facts and logic to
> explain that I'm not a criminal.
>
> I most cases, devices that allow you to be tracked do NOT increase your
> safety as they only allow searchers to find the pieces easier.
I agree, but what are you going to do when the government requires us to
install mode S (or whatever) type transponders that will identify your
aircraft specifically and be able to track it via satellite or whatever?
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Christley" <echristley@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Alarm System
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Ernest Christley
<echristley@nc.rr.com>
>
> Gerry Holland wrote:
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gerry Holland
<gnholland@onetel.com>
> >
> > Gentlemen......
> >
> >
> >>>I have researched the AG's speeches and cannot find the remarks you
refer to
> >>>anywhere. Could you please advise me of the speech or speeches that
contain
> >>>these remarks, date or venue would be sufficient.
> >>
> >>They don't exist. I follow public statements from the AG, DHS Sec. Tom
> >>Ridge, Asa Hutchenson, Pres. Bush, Sec. Rumsfeld and Sec. Powell. I get
a
> >>Lexus-Nexus report every morning. They simply aren't there.
> >>
> >>But once you've convinced yourself that someone is the embodiment of
pure
> >>evil, lying about what they say is a minor transgression. If you think
> >>"The Jews" are evil, you come up with "The Protocols of the Elders of
> >>Zion." If you think Bush and Ashcroft are evil, you come up with this.
> >
> >
> > This thread is going where?
> >
> > Gerry Holland
>
> Gerry, the only place I see it going is the advise not to put anything
> in your OBAM aircraft that give those-who-know-more-that-we (as Bob
> might say) the ability to track you. I don't believe anyone in the
> government is any more evil than the typical American, and that is what
> scares the S%*7 outta me. Beaucracies tend to make people discontented,
> apathetic, and sometimes mean. Sometimes they force people to be this
> way. Where I go is my business, and I don't want the Feds to know about
> it, 'cause I've been on the losing end of using facts and logic to
> explain that I'm not a criminal.
>
> I most cases, devices that allow you to be tracked do NOT increase your
> safety as they only allow searchers to find the pieces easier.
>
> --
> http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org/
> "Ignorance is mankinds normal state,
> alleviated by information and experience."
> Veeduber
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Alarm System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Joel Harding <cajole76@ispwest.com>
Charlie,
There are probably many lists that would love to hear your political
ramblings, but this isn't one of them. Please dump your load
elsewhere.
On May 22, 2004, at 10:00 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie England
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> jerb wrote:
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>>
>> Actually the NorthStar system is actually pretty neat and handy. You
>> raise
>> the question, do you have a reason to fear the possibility of being
>> tracked?
>> jerb
>>
>>
>
> Assuming you live in the USA, I invite you to read the papers & watch
> the news.
> Here's just one reason to fear your government:
> John Ashcroft, Your Attorney General, has said in speeches that anyone
> who disagrees with the administration is a traitor. The Patriot Act
> says
> that any citizen who's a traitor should have should lose all his rights
> as a citizen & be treated as a non-US citizen. Paid any attention to
> how
> non US citizens that the current administration dislikes (or completely
> innocent people that the administration thinks it can coerce into
> spying
> for them) get treated these days?
>
> We live in the greatest country in the world. If we don't speak out
> against this sort of thing, we will soon live in the moral & social
> equivalent of the country we just claim to have 'liberated'.
>
> Charlie
> do not archive
>
>
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