Today's Message Index:
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1. 07:02 AM - Source for "weatherpac" connectors (Paul)
2. 07:02 AM - Load Dump test status (Paul Messinger)
3. 07:16 AM - ramblings........ (hausding, sid)
4. 08:09 AM - Re: ramblings........ (Gerry Holland)
5. 08:51 AM - Re: ramblings........ (Dj Merrill)
6. 09:33 AM - Re: ramblings........ (Bruce Gray)
7. 10:29 AM - more ramblings........ (hausding, sid)
8. 10:34 AM - Re: ramblings........ (Dj Merrill)
9. 10:45 AM - Re: ramblings........ (cgalley)
10. 11:08 AM - Re: ramblings........ (Bruce Gray)
11. 11:53 AM - Re: ramblings........ (Dj Merrill)
12. 11:58 AM - Re: ramblings........ (Dj Merrill)
13. 01:40 PM - Re: Alarm System (echristley@nc.rr.com)
14. 02:06 PM - Toggle Switch Installation. (frequent flyer)
15. 04:44 PM - Hawker Odyssey Battery (Rex & Jan Shaw)
16. 06:30 PM - starter wire run (Jim Stone)
17. 06:30 PM - Re: Hawker Odyssey Battery (Eric M. Jones)
18. 06:44 PM - Re: HELP needed digitrak and Garmin 196 (Larry Bowen)
19. 06:52 PM - Battery (hausding, sid)
20. 07:13 PM - Re: starter wire run (James E. Clark)
21. 07:56 PM - Re: starter wire run (Jim Stone)
22. 08:03 PM - Re: Hawker Odyssey Battery (Robert McCallum)
23. 08:52 PM - permanent magnet alternator question (Jim and Lucy)
24. 10:04 PM - Re: HELP needed digitrak and Garmin 196 (Werner Schneider)
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| Subject: | Source for "weatherpac" connectors |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Paul <pwilson@climber.org>
Here is a source for the GM sealed connectors.
http://fordfuelinjection.com/weatherpack.html
Paul
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| Subject: | Load Dump test status |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Paul Messinger" <paulm@olypen.com>
Well the physical testing has been completed.
It appears that ALL my test objectives were met, including load dump
suppression methods etc.
Test data analysis remains to be completed and this will take another week
or so. This includes verifying design margins on the recommended Load dump
suppressors. The actual test report, in a usable to others form, is a very
large effort that will be completed much later for the record and at that
time available on the internet for reading etc.
It appears that load dumps have the potential to exceed the requirements of
DO-160D under certain conditions making some sort of suppression necessary
(at least to me).
The test setup included a simulated complete aircraft electrical system,
from battery to alternator and simulated aircraft system loads. This made
the testing more complex (than some had suggested was necessary) but in the
end proved to be needed as Load Dumps can have system wide impacts. Testing
was done (and documentated) so that the test results can be duplicated by
others and individual tests were repeated over several days and shown to
have very repeatable results. Test setup documentation has been documented
to include test setup parts used (including brand and part numbers) as well
as test equipment serial numbers etc.
Please consider that this effort is done on a time available basis. Thus the
documentation will lag way behind firm results in pencil and test equipment
analysis form.
Expect conclusions and recommendations by the end of this month.
Paul
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| Subject: | ramblings........ |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Maybe my coffee doesn't have enough sugar this morning, but I think its you
guys who need to lighten up a little..........geeze, he even went to the
trouble of doing it correctly by the notation of "do not archive", and its
only little messages - not a full page of demanding diatribe.
Most of you people have your noses too far up anyway, a little news now and
then breaks the monotony of arguing about the best buttons or switches in
your imaginary $100,000 super duper factory built one offs..............
give the guy credit for having some imagination and some balls to express
himself. I doubt he will carry on for several days. Nobody got the delete
key on their keyboards?
Sorry Bob,
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Hausding, Sid
Alpena, Michigan 49707
N204S
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Joel Harding <cajole76@ispwest.com>
Charlie,
There are probably many lists that would love to hear your political
ramblings, but this isn't one of them. Please dump your load
elsewhere.
On May 22, 2004, at 10:00 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Charlie England
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> jerb wrote:
>
>> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>>
>> Actually the NorthStar system is actually pretty neat and handy. You
>> raise
>> the question, do you have a reason to fear the possibility of being
>> tracked?
>> jerb
>>
>>
>
> Assuming you live in the USA, I invite you to read the papers & watch
> the news.
> Here's just one reason to fear your government:
> John Ashcroft, Your Attorney General, has said in speeches that anyone
> who disagrees with the administration is a traitor. The Patriot Act
> says
> that any citizen who's a traitor should have should lose all his rights
> as a citizen & be treated as a non-US citizen. Paid any attention to
> how
> non US citizens that the current administration dislikes (or completely
> innocent people that the administration thinks it can coerce into
> spying
> for them) get treated these days?
>
> We live in the greatest country in the world. If we don't speak out
> against this sort of thing, we will soon live in the moral & social
> equivalent of the country we just claim to have 'liberated'.
>
> Charlie
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ramblings........ |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gerry Holland <gnholland@onetel.com>
Sid Hi!
At the risk of being too sensitive....
> Most of you people have your noses too far up anyway
Too far up what?
> then breaks the monotony of arguing about the best buttons or switches in
> your imaginary $100,000 super duper factory built one offs..............
Interesting appraisal of what sounds like sad losers!
Point1: Arguing about best buttons and switches is very rarely argument but
often helps when undecided.
Point 2: My 'super duper $100,000 factory built one off' is not imaginary or
factory built. Yes some bits are 'kit form' but the rest is metal,
composite, wiring etc. and created by yours truly.
Charlie's political observations were OK with me. Just thought it really
wasn't going to help progress my wiring loom.
So.....
>Nobody got the delete key on their keyboards?
I certainly have Sid...... Goodbye!
Best Regards and Thanks for the 'wind up'! I smiled through gritted teeth!
Gerry
http://www.g-fizy.com
+44 7808 402404
gnholland@onetel.com
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: ramblings........ |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
So... Anyone want to help me figure out why
my Stormscope WX-8 is picking up false indications?
I'm suspecting possible noise in the electrical
system, although it behaves the same way with
the engine running or not.
I haven't tried any noise filters yet.
My transponder also generates a whine in the
headset when it is in the standby, on, or alt
positions, but makes no difference to the
WX-8 even if turned off. I'm also hearing a
slight pulse from the strobes when they are on.
Anyone recommend a good test procedure
that doesn't involve the war in Iraq? ;-)
-Dj
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| Subject: | ramblings........ |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Blame it on Bush or Halliburton.
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj
Merrill
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: ramblings........
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill
<deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
So... Anyone want to help me figure out why
my Stormscope WX-8 is picking up false indications?
I'm suspecting possible noise in the electrical
system, although it behaves the same way with
the engine running or not.
I haven't tried any noise filters yet.
My transponder also generates a whine in the
headset when it is in the standby, on, or alt
positions, but makes no difference to the
WX-8 even if turned off. I'm also hearing a
slight pulse from the strobes when they are on.
Anyone recommend a good test procedure
that doesn't involve the war in Iraq? ;-)
-Dj
==
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| Subject: | more ramblings........ |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
yeah, I was having a bad morning and wanted to take the heat off Charlie...
...so I mouthed off. Sometimes I just can't help myself...................
.. human I guess. Glad I could help. :-)
Sid
-------------------------
So.....
>Nobody got the delete key on their keyboards?
I certainly have Sid...... Goodbye!
Best Regards and Thanks for the 'wind up'! I smiled through gritted teeth!
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: ramblings........ |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Bruce Gray wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> Blame it on Bush or Halliburton.
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
Hmm, well, at least on this list
Bush is generating enough static to be causing
the problem... *grin*
But seriously... ?
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: ramblings........ |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Why not Kerry? He's the one causing the disturbance <GRIN>
And if it is O.K. tomorrow, you know that he has flip-flopped again!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: ramblings........
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> Blame it on Bush or Halliburton.
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj
> Merrill
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: ramblings........
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill
> <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
>
>
> So... Anyone want to help me figure out why
> my Stormscope WX-8 is picking up false indications?
> I'm suspecting possible noise in the electrical
> system, although it behaves the same way with
> the engine running or not.
> I haven't tried any noise filters yet.
> My transponder also generates a whine in the
> headset when it is in the standby, on, or alt
> positions, but makes no difference to the
> WX-8 even if turned off. I'm also hearing a
> slight pulse from the strobes when they are on.
> Anyone recommend a good test procedure
> that doesn't involve the war in Iraq? ;-)
>
> -Dj
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | ramblings........ |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
What happens when the engine is not running and the systems are powered
by the battery?
Bruce
www.glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj
Merrill
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: ramblings........
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill
<deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Bruce Gray wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray"
<Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> Blame it on Bush or Halliburton.
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
Hmm, well, at least on this list
Bush is generating enough static to be causing
the problem... *grin*
But seriously... ?
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: ramblings........ |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
cgalley wrote:
> And if it is O.K. tomorrow, you know that he has flip-flopped again!
I once built a circuit that flip-flopped.... ;-)
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: ramblings........ |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@thayer.dartmouth.edu>
Bruce Gray wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bruce Gray" <Bruce@glasair.org>
>
> What happens when the engine is not running and the systems are powered
> by the battery?
>
> Bruce
> www.glasair.org
Same behaviour whether the engine is running or not.
I suspect one of the other instruments/devices, but I
haven't as yet been able to isolate it.
I'm going to play some more with it, but thought
I would ask for advice before going too far. Figured
someone might have already been down this road.
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: Alarm System |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: echristley@nc.rr.com
> Where I go is my business, and I don't want the
Feds to know about
> > it, 'cause I've been on the losing end of using
facts and logic to
> > explain that I'm not a criminal.
> >
> > I most cases, devices that allow you to be
tracked do NOT
> increase your
> > safety as they only allow searchers to find the
pieces easier.
>
> I agree, but what are you going to do when the
government requires
> us to
> install mode S (or whatever) type transponders
that will identify your
> aircraft specifically and be able to track it via
satellite or
> whatever?
> Cliff
Install it, then run it when they tell me to (and
ONLY when they tell me to). The goal is not to be
noticed by the bureaucrats (I finally found my
dictionary). Remain legal and inconspicuous. All
you can ever do is reduce your chances of being
"Forcifully Used for Carnal Knowledge".
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| Subject: | Toggle Switch Installation. |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: frequent flyer <jdhcv@yahoo.com>
Bob,
Awhile back you presented a very clever way of keeping
toggle switches keyed. I can't find the info but I
thought it entailed gluing the plate with the tab to
the back of the panel. Can you refresh my old memory?
Thanks,
Jack
__________________________________
http://messenger.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Hawker Odyssey Battery |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
Hi ! Guys,
I have a Kitfox IV Classic Speedster with Rotax 582. I live
in Australia. If I leave the plane say about 3 weeks without starting it
just won't start on it;s own battery. It appears to be swinging over OK but
I have come to the conclusion that it is just below the 300RPM ignition cut
in point. It is a 16AH wet cell motorcycle battery that's only 6 months old.
The complete Rotax 582 is also almost new at about 60 hours.
It appears that wet cells discharge fairly well left standing, although it
seems to have plenty of kick it must be down just enough to cause the
problem. If we jump start it from the car it fires up instantly and is OK
the rest of the day.
Now a Hawker Odyssey battery appears to be much improved over the standard
wet cell. It doesn't lose it's charge nearly as fast and is happier deep
cycling. It lasts longer, can be charged quicker, cranks the motor faster
etc. Our club put one in the Jabiru trainer and it lives up to all these
claims with flying colours. My problem is that out here in Australia the
cost of what we call a Model 700 and is the US PC625 is $265AU. In USA a
very usual price is only $89US. So I figured it had to worth importing one.
I have only been able to get one quote to do so but that was $210US
shipping. I find that hard to understand as the battery is supposed to be no
trouble to ship like a wet cell. It only weighs 6Kg's and $210US doesn't
seem to make sense to me comparing against other imports I have made.
I know I need one of these batteries, does anyone have any ideas how I can
get one here in Australia at a sensible price. I suppose I could try flying
my Kitfox over and picking one up !
Thanks Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | starter wire run |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com>
Harmon Rocket
Battery behind rear seat
B&C starter
B&C alternator
I'm about to run the pos lead from the battery thru the firewall. I am aware of
two ways to wire the starter.
1. The most common is to attach the pos lead from the battery to a starter solenoid
with is mounted on the firewall, then forward to the starter. The alternator
would have a separate lead going back to the bat side of the starter solenoid.
2. The second method is to eliminate the starter solenoid in method one and run
the wire with no breaks all the way to the starter. From the starter it could
then move a foot or so to the right to catch the alternator B lead. This method
allows for fewer connections and a lot less #2 wire forward of the firewall.
I'm assuming the solenoid attached to the starter would control the current
going to the starter (following selection of the starter button).
Thanks,
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Hawker Odyssey Battery |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones@charter.net>
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw"
<rexjan@bigpond.com>
In my humble opinion, something is amiss here.
1) There most definitely IS a problem shipping batteries by air--hazardous
cargo and all that. There is also some international WTO craziness about not
exporting lead batteries period....part of this has to do with lead disposal
I would guess.
2) The Hawker Odyssey is just a plain old battery. If it was 20% better than
the average lot, that would be earthshaking and they would wind up with all
the business. So I assume it's not.
3) There may be something discharging the battery. Check into this.
4) The starting problem is a separate issue. Check all the obvious stuff
that causes hard-starting. What if you had to hand-prop it?
5) There are lots of Australian battery companies. And there are lots of
Australians who use batteries for very important stuff. Shouldn't be hard
to find a good one.
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
Phone (508) 764-2072
Email: emjones@charter.net
"...as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We
also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some
things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we
don't know we don't know."
--Donald Rumsfeld
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| Subject: | HELP needed digitrak and Garmin 196 |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Werner -
Did you figure this out? What was it?
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Werner Schneider [mailto:wernerschneider@compuserve.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 3:06 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: HELP needed digitrak and Garmin 196
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider"
> --> <wernerschneider@compuserve.com>
>
> Larry,
>
> I did as their directions say, but it's not working =(;o((
>
> And my plane is flying, just not according to the activated
> flightplan, just GPS bearings.
>
> Thanks
>
> Werner
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: HELP needed digitrak and Garmin 196
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> >
> > I have the same equipment, and believe it's functioning
> corrrectly --
> > but I'm not flying yet. I think I recall seeing in the
> documentaiton
> > that you have to be in motion for the nav/flightplan stuff to work.
> > Check the docs on their website. They have 196 specific directions.
> >
> > -
> > Larry Bowen
> > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > http://BowenAero.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Werner Schneider [mailto:wernerschneider@compuserve.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:34 AM
> > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: AeroElectric-List: HELP needed digitrak and Garmin 196
> > >
> > >
> > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider"
> > > --> <wernerschneider@compuserve.com>
> > >
> > > Hello Folks,
> > >
> > > who has a digitrak and a Garmin 196 hooked up and can use the
> > > flightplan feature?
> > >
> > > I've configured both according the guidelines of TruTrak,
> I get the
> > > bearing info of the GPS, but never an activated
> flightplan shows up
> > > with the -F- symbol on the digitrak.
> > >
> > > Any advice much appreciated
> > >
> > > crossposted on Avionics list
> > >
> > > Werner (Glastar HB-YKP)
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "hausding, sid" <sidh@charter.net>
Might be silly of me to suggest this, but have you tried just disconnecting
the leads off the battery when not flying........sounds like you may have
something shorting out and draining the battery some. Or maybe the engine
isn't getting the charging circuit back to the battery good enough?
Just a thought.........
Sid
------------------------------------
I have a Kitfox IV Classic Speedster with Rotax 582. I live
in Australia. If I leave the plane say about 3 weeks without starting it
just won't start on it;s own battery. It appears to be swinging over OK but
I have come to the conclusion that it is just below the 300RPM ignition cut
in point. It is a 16AH wet cell motorcycle battery that's only 6 months old.
The complete Rotax 582 is also almost new at about 60 hours.
It appears that wet cells discharge fairly well left standing, although it
seems to have plenty of kick it must be down just enough to cause the
problem. If we jump start it from the car it fires up instantly and is OK
the rest of the day.
Now a Hawker Odyssey battery appears to be much improved over the standard
wet cell. It doesn't lose it's charge nearly as fast and is happier deep
cycling. It lasts longer, can be charged quicker, cranks the motor faster
etc. Our club put one in the Jabiru trainer and it lives up to all these
claims with flying colours. My problem is that out here in Australia the
cost of what we call a Model 700 and is the US PC625 is $265AU. In USA a
very usual price is only $89US. So I figured it had to worth importing one.
I have only been able to get one quote to do so but that was $210US
shipping. I find that hard to understand as the battery is supposed to be no
trouble to ship like a wet cell. It only weighs 6Kg's and $210US doesn't
seem to make sense to me comparing against other imports I have made.
I know I need one of these batteries, does anyone have any ideas how I can
get one here in Australia at a sensible price. I suppose I could try flying
my Kitfox over and picking one up !
Thanks Rex.
rexjan@bigpond.com
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| Subject: | starter wire run |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Ahhh, Jim.
Not trying to be funny, but is this a question or a comment?
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim
> Stone
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 9:28 PM
> To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: starter wire run
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Stone"
> <jrstone@insightbb.com>
>
> Harmon Rocket
> Battery behind rear seat
> B&C starter
> B&C alternator
>
> I'm about to run the pos lead from the battery thru the firewall.
> I am aware of two ways to wire the starter.
>
> 1. The most common is to attach the pos lead from the battery to
> a starter solenoid with is mounted on the firewall, then forward
> to the starter. The alternator would have a separate lead going
> back to the bat side of the starter solenoid.
>
> 2. The second method is to eliminate the starter solenoid in
> method one and run the wire with no breaks all the way to the
> starter. From the starter it could then move a foot or so to the
> right to catch the alternator B lead. This method allows for
> fewer connections and a lot less #2 wire forward of the firewall.
> I'm assuming the solenoid attached to the starter would control
> the current going to the starter (following selection of the
> starter button).
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: starter wire run |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Stone" <jrstone@insightbb.com>
my question, your comment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: starter wire run
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "James E. Clark"
<james@nextupventures.com>
>
> Ahhh, Jim.
>
> Not trying to be funny, but is this a question or a comment?
>
> James
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim
> > Stone
> > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 9:28 PM
> > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: AeroElectric-List: starter wire run
> >
> >
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jim Stone"
> > <jrstone@insightbb.com>
> >
> > Harmon Rocket
> > Battery behind rear seat
> > B&C starter
> > B&C alternator
> >
> > I'm about to run the pos lead from the battery thru the firewall.
> > I am aware of two ways to wire the starter.
> >
> > 1. The most common is to attach the pos lead from the battery to
> > a starter solenoid with is mounted on the firewall, then forward
> > to the starter. The alternator would have a separate lead going
> > back to the bat side of the starter solenoid.
> >
> > 2. The second method is to eliminate the starter solenoid in
> > method one and run the wire with no breaks all the way to the
> > starter. From the starter it could then move a foot or so to the
> > right to catch the alternator B lead. This method allows for
> > fewer connections and a lot less #2 wire forward of the firewall.
> > I'm assuming the solenoid attached to the starter would control
> > the current going to the starter (following selection of the
> > starter button).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jim
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hawker Odyssey Battery |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Robert McCallum <robert.mccallum2@sympatico.ca>
Rex & Jan Shaw wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan@bigpond.com>
>
>Hi ! Guys,
> I have a Kitfox IV Classic Speedster with Rotax 582. I live
>in Australia. If I leave the plane say about 3 weeks without starting it
>just won't start on its own battery. It appears to be swinging over OK but
>I have come to the conclusion that it is just below the 300 RPM ignition cut
>in point. It is a 16AH wet cell motorcycle battery that's only 6 months old.
>The complete Rotax 582 is also almost new at about 60 hours.
> It appears that wet cells discharge fairly well left standing, although it
>seems to have plenty of kick it must be down just enough to cause the
>problem. If we jump start it from the car it fires up instantly and is OK
>the rest of the day.
>
I've had exactly the same problem with my Honda 500 Interceptor
motorcycle. Left standing for a long time it turns over great but won't
start. With a boost it starts instantly. Once running it's fine for days
or even weeks as long as it is used regularly. In my case a new battery
always solves the problem. Your battery although only 6 months old may
not in fact have full capacity.
This is part of the reasoning behind Bob's philosophy to change
batteries regularly . Do you know for certain how old the battery was
when you bought it? It is conceivable it could be old stock or have been
improperly maintained reducing its capacity. Also you could have a
parasitic drain of some sort which could be proven by disconnecting the
battery when you leave the plane and see if this makes a difference next
time. If so then you need to track down where the drain is.
> Now a Hawker Odyssey battery appears to be much improved over the standard
>wet cell. It doesn't lose it's charge nearly as fast and is happier deep
>cycling. It lasts longer, can be charged quicker, cranks the motor faster
>etc. Our club put one in the Jabiru trainer and it lives up to all these
>claims with flying colours.
>
All of the above seems to be generally true, and is what most
manufacturers claim as the advantages of this battery type.
> My problem is that out here in Australia the
>cost of what we call a Model 700 and is the US PC625 is $265AU. In USA a
>very usual price is only $89US. So I figured it had to worth importing one.
>
I've imported RG or AGM batteries similar to this from the US to Canada
for just the reasoning you suggest and have encountered no difficulty.
The battery manufacturers claim they are safe to ship with no hazardous
designation and that has been my experience. They have come through the
regular postal service as a simple package via parcel post. No excessive
shipping or hazardous surcharges.
>I have only been able to get one quote to do so but that was $210US
>shipping. I find that hard to understand as the battery is supposed to be no
>trouble to ship like a wet cell. It only weighs 6 Kg's and $210US doesn't
>seem to make sense to me comparing against other imports I have made.
>
I think that's a bit ridiculous as well.
> I know I need one of these batteries, does anyone have any ideas how I can
>get one here in Australia at a sensible price. I suppose I could try flying
>my Kitfox over and picking one up !
>
What a wonderful idea. Come on over for Oshkosh, buy a couple of
batteries, install one and take back a spare to change out next year.
>
>Thanks Rex.
>rexjan@bigpond.com
>
Seriously though, I'd keep searching for a supplier who does mail order
internationally and doesn't have such high shipping charges. The other
alternative is to continue searching in Oz for someone already importing
these batteries for a more reasonable price, or a locally manufactured
product with the same characteristics. Surely someone in Australia must
make Recombant Gas batteries. (Or Absorbent Glass Mat if you prefer.)
The $ exchange rate, although not particularly favourable, doesn't
account for that much difference.
Bob McC
do not archive
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| Subject: | permanent magnet alternator question |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@mnsi.net>
I have a 33 year old motorcycle with a permanent
magnet alternator. It regulates the voltage with
a big zener diode and a rectifier. It will run
very well without a battery.
It seems that the new type of regulators which
are a mystery box with fins on them, work differently
somehow and will not work without a battery.
What is the difference between them and what makes
the new ones better. My guess is they dont make
zeners big enough for the high output of the newer
permanent magnet alternators and they had to
go with some other method of regulating but I dont
know.
My old example seems to be fairly reliable still
working after all these years. Lucas manufactrued.
The new ones seem good also. Got 2300 hours on one
on a small tractor.
thanks
Jim Pollard
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| Subject: | Re: HELP needed digitrak and Garmin 196 |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider" <wernerschneider@compuserve.com>
Hello Larry,
did search this message just yesterday, yes, it was figured out, the older
controller of the digitrak had problems with the information of the 196,
I've got a new controller from TruTrak last week and now it is working
perfect, intercept, and then following my flightplan. And this all for no
cost!!! Now this is real customer service, I even got the replacement
beforehand! Juts added the altitude hold recently and is also working to
all my expectation!
Werner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: HELP needed digitrak and Garmin 196
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
<Larry@BowenAero.com>
>
> Werner -
>
> Did you figure this out? What was it?
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Werner Schneider [mailto:wernerschneider@compuserve.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 3:06 PM
> > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: HELP needed digitrak and Garmin 196
> >
> >
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider"
> > --> <wernerschneider@compuserve.com>
> >
> > Larry,
> >
> > I did as their directions say, but it's not working =(;o((
> >
> > And my plane is flying, just not according to the activated
> > flightplan, just GPS bearings.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Werner
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> > To: <aeroelectric-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: HELP needed digitrak and Garmin 196
> >
> >
> > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen"
> > <Larry@BowenAero.com>
> > >
> > > I have the same equipment, and believe it's functioning
> > corrrectly --
> > > but I'm not flying yet. I think I recall seeing in the
> > documentaiton
> > > that you have to be in motion for the nav/flightplan stuff to work.
> > > Check the docs on their website. They have 196 specific directions.
> > >
> > > -
> > > Larry Bowen
> > > Larry@BowenAero.com
> > > http://BowenAero.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Werner Schneider [mailto:wernerschneider@compuserve.com]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 10:34 AM
> > > > To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: AeroElectric-List: HELP needed digitrak and Garmin 196
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Werner Schneider"
> > > > --> <wernerschneider@compuserve.com>
> > > >
> > > > Hello Folks,
> > > >
> > > > who has a digitrak and a Garmin 196 hooked up and can use the
> > > > flightplan feature?
> > > >
> > > > I've configured both according the guidelines of TruTrak,
> > I get the
> > > > bearing info of the GPS, but never an activated
> > flightplan shows up
> > > > with the -F- symbol on the digitrak.
> > > >
> > > > Any advice much appreciated
> > > >
> > > > crossposted on Avionics list
> > > >
> > > > Werner (Glastar HB-YKP)
>
>
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